Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2133: The Best Way to Build the Abs, the Ideal Body Fat Percentage for Health, Convincing Others of the Benefits of Creatine & More

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Attention to all social media influencers! When you comment under people’s pictures on social media ACT like you're in the gym! (1:50) The anti-health/social media movement. (10:22) The Andrew Tate litmus test. (17:43) Vicki is a boss! (22:21) Following up on Adam’s sister’s scary hit & run. (24:13) A lottery winner’s ninja move. (28:52) The decline of San Francisco. (30:25) The people in the South are the best! (33:21) Recapping Justin’s ‘Gymnastics Dad’ family trip to Florida. (36:16) Vacationing with children and what guys find attractive. (39:38) ‘The Good’ serum is an easy sell. (45:06) The ‘interesting’ Chinese social credit score experiment. (47:04) An Organifi ‘jet-fuel’ combo. (53:14) Shout out to Free to Choose on YouTube. (54:25) #Quah question #1 - How do you properly program abs? (55:41) #Quah question #2 - What is the best body fat percentage to be in for health? (59:16) #Quah question #3 - If you guys started a strength athletic event, what exercises and rules would you evoke? (1:09:38) #Quah question #4 - How can I convince someone whose primary goal is to lose weight that they should take creatine? (1:16:08) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** August Promotion: MAPS Anabolic Advanced 50% off! **Code AUGUST50 at checkout** They Want Us Weak – Mind Pump Media IG Twitter removes the 'X' logo from its San Francisco HQ 'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop China developed an app to tell users whether they are within a 500-meter radius of someone who is on the blacklist of the social credit system Free To Choose 1980 - Vol. 01 The Power of the Market - YouTube Visit Hiya for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #2085: Abs & Core Masterclass Mind Pump #1840: Eleven Steps To A Single-Digit Body Fat Percentage JOSEPH GREENSTEIN - Circus Strongman The Mighty Atom Mind Pump #1712: How To Get A Friend Or Family Member Started With Resistance Training Mind Pump #1835: Why Resistance Training Is The Best Form Of Exercise For Fat Loss And Overall Health Pros and Cons of Creatine – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Andrew Tate (@Cobratate) Twitter Vicki Reynolds (@vicki__reynolds) Instagram Faded Barber Shop (@fadedbarbershop) Instagram  

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Why am I saying this? Because 90% of you wouldn't say the stuff you say online in someone's face in the gym. Why am I saying this? Because 90% of you wouldn't say the stuff you say online in someone's face in the gym. In fact, if I manage a gym, I kick 90% of you out of my gym. Unfortunately, we say things on social media. We wouldn't say in real life, because in real life, you get punched in the face so you can kick out of a fitness place.

And that's just the bottom line. So look, our goal as fitness leaders is to unite all of us so we could fight the agenda with the agenda, getting everybody poor, health, making everybody feel like crap. We wanna oppose that. So when we find you on social media, making your stupid comments because, you know,

you wouldn't do that in real life like shame on you. We're all here to help people, remember that. Isn't it so interesting to see how brazen people have gotten over the years of being anonymous? Did you see the common? I just got I thought he was originally talking about that you're talking about something else Yeah, I just got one really makes me mad. I just got it. I've shown sell this Before I even knew that he was going this direction This person and I don't we don't comment like when people say stupid shit, I don't pick up the brick. As Kasey would say. But because it was under my goddaughter's photo that I posted, it got to me. I was just like, you know, you're not going to say some stupid shit like that. I'm not going to

let you know how stupid you are. But they made a comment because obviously why we were on vacation, the episode played where we had the conversation about Andrew Tate, which I had like a week ago. Right. Right. So that had just played. So somebody got on there and made a comment about how do I feel about her working for Andrew Tate when she's 18 years old at, under a picture of her with him. Yeah, yeah. What?

She's talking about it. She wanted a half years older with that, right? So I had to say something about what a stupid comment is. And you know, it's so funny because the type of person that would make this comment would also say something like that, right? Like your daughter ends up on webcams or your daughter ends up stripping on a pole.

And you would be the tool that would blame somebody else for that instead of looking in the mirror and going, I fucked up as a dad. Like just that is a type of person that would make that comment. It's just so funny to me. It's just like, not only is that a stupid comment, but you don't even realize how much you out yourself

on how weak you are that you would blame another person for your daughter joining somebody's webcams or getting up on a pole. So, here's, so, this is such an interesting conversation. I just watched a video, Jordan Peterson was talking about this, in a blue my mind, I can't remember specifically, they call it the triad of personality disorders, narcissism is in there, being a sociopath, I think it's part of it. But anyway, it's like these kind of people who have no empathy are hyper narcissistic and then something else,

these people are very dangerous in society. And he says that society will always have about 3% of the population that way. If it gets too big, then problems start to happen to get weeded out, but it always sticks around 3%. On social media, it's far larger. On social media, the people that get all the attention are exactly those kind of people. Now, why do they get that much attention on social media?

In the real world, if that is who you are, you get called out pretty quickly. Oh, yeah. Pretty quickly, there's consequences. All the air out of the room and all the attention goes there, because there's a problem now. Yeah, so either, I mean, you know, threats of violence, of course, that's obvious, but you'll get shunned,

kick that a restaurant, kick that of a friend group, or whatever, because you're not anonymous, it's real life. Now this reminded me of our space. This happens to us, obviously we're on the top of the, when it comes to the fitness food chain, especially in podcasting, we're at the top. So it makes sense that people are going to try to gain notoriety by grabbing onto our coattails and then making a comment or trying to say something that we said was wrong and here's why we're better

and whatever and this happens. And it's not a big deal, I get it. This is how you want to get attention and I just don't think it's the right way, but I thought about it and I said, you know, it's funny is that these fitness people who try to do this would never do this in the real world. You know what I mean?

Like if we were running a seminar, and I was talking about the benefits of, let's say, squatting, deadlifting, and pressing. And then some, no way a guy in the back would stand up and be like, we know what, that's not a functional pattern. You got to make sure you run and sprint. And then why wouldn't you say that in person? Because then I'd say, no, you're right, that's also functional.

Squatting deadlifting and pressing is also functional, it's all, but they would only say it online because there's no rebuttal. They get to be anonymous, they get to look and act like a certain, like they're a particular way. When a real life you just come across as an asshole and we're gonna talk about what we agree upon and what we have in common with this. And that's kind of the point that I'm trying to get here.

It's not a dialogue. He's just making a pure statement. And then he's dropping the mic. Well, it's challenging about it is that going back before social media existed, making comments on like that in the public or in society, you potentially risk getting your ass kicked, right? Or harmed by that. So society keeps it kind of in check.

Well, you get, at the very least, you look at the person's face when you say something. Right, so you go, it keeps you, it keeps those people somewhat in check, which is why it probably keeps it down to 3% The problem with social media is it actually feeds that algorithm, right? So it not only does it like hold a place for those people, but it yeah, it promotes them and actually Causes there to be more because it rewards that person and it rewards the person who's posting and creating that controversy with More people falling,

more likes, more comments, more views. It's all extremism. Even worse, this gets even worse than that. In real life, if you're in a group of people, and there's that guy, we've all known that guy, who boasts about how great he is, and how his opinions and he's so virtuous. At first, you're like, wow, that's a great guy, but very quickly,

like he does nothing, only does his talk. He's actually done nothing to help anybody. He's a fake person, I don't want to hang out with him. On social media, nobody needs to see any actions. It's all about your opinion, and that's how you show your virtue. It's all about, oh, I'm so enraged by this thing that happened and look how good I am because I'm enraged. We have no way of knowing, do you really care in real life?

Like, you're so mad about, you know, homeless people, but in real life, you walk by 50 of them every day and you couldn't care less. You're just saying this on social media or you care so much about the environment, but you fly on a private jet every world ever. So my point with this is, is that it actually takes the worst of us, like you said, Adam, and it puts them at the top. And what's happening is it's causing all these issues. And now for us, there's an anti-health industry

that's out there. We've talked about this before. I don't think that they're all necessarily organized, but these are organizations, corporations, governments, and people who benefit from people having poor health either because by more of the products you rely more on them or you're quick and dependent and you can sell your products for that. Right. Or it's easy to manipulate you because now you're more, you're depressed and anxious and fearful and all that stuff. And what they're doing right now is they're pointing to fitness social media and they're saying

things like it's an intolerant group. They, you know, it's toxic masculinity. Fat shaming. Fat shaming. You know what? It's true. Not in gyms, though. Not in the real world on social media, it's true.

Fitness social media is how they're weaponizing it and using it against those of us who really are trying to help people. So the reason why I'm saying this message is if you are on social media and you're a trainer, a coach, a gym owner, or you're just trying to help people in genuine ways, remember that. Don't fall in the trap because they're using it against us. And we're not helping anybody by fighting each other in that way and talking about each other in that way, and ridiculing each other. Like, you know, the litmus test is this. Would you say this in the gym?

To somebody or about somebody in the gym? And if the answer's no, then I wouldn't do it online either. Like we need any more divisiveness. Yeah. Like, it's just, it's baffling to me. It's baffling to me. Especially if you're in the industry where you're trying to authentically help people

and do something like positive. Like you're gonna now like try to cattle herd everybody into like one way of thinking exclusively. Even though you may have some value, you're gonna, you know, shit on other very valuable methods that doesn't fit within like your parameters of what you created. So what's the fallout look like? So there has to come a point, right? Because I think that percentage

that is 3% out in society, but on social media is a much larger percentage. I think that percentage is growing too. Yes. I think we're going the opposite direction that we probably want to go. It's encouraging, you know? So yeah.

And so inevitably I think there's going to be a fall. You know what reminds me of, only people that grew up in the Bay Area will get to Synology. So I remember in my 20s when a new night club would come downtown San Jose. And it was always awesome. Like you were so excited for the first year and the first year It would crack and it would be a great, it would be a great spot. But then what would end up happening is slowly over time, thugs, gang people, just people looking to cause shit would make their way in there.

And then end up ruining the place. It would become a place where you never, you didn't feel safe anymore. There was always a fight going down or someone starting shit. It's like an inside joke, the cycle of the night clubs in the Bay Area. Yeah.

And so, and that what to me with that highlights starting shit. This is like an inside joke, the cycle of the night clubs in the Bay Area. Yeah. It's been like, and so, and that what to me with that highlights is when this small percentage of people that don't represent the majority end up overpowering the majority because they're louder or more obnoxious or cause more problems.

So, wouldn't that same thing probably happen with social media? Isn't gonna become a point where, and I almost feel like that mood is kind of in the air right now where more and more people are like, ah, fuck it, I'm off social media, or I don't post that often, or like, I already feel like there's this movement

away from it, and I think that is why. Yeah, I agree with you. I think there's, I know more people now who are like I'm done with social media, or I only follow these pages, or I'm very careful with how I set up the algorithm because it's toxic or poison. I mean, I get that.

It's sad because our brain doesn't decide, it's hard to decipher real versus online in the sense that if I see, for example, here's an easy example, if all I look at all day are pictures of perfect male bodies, my brain doesn't realize that I'm looking at a rare male body. It thinks that that's common, so then I'm going to look at myself without realizing it and judge myself based off of that ideal, which in the real world, you know, guys with six pack abs

are rare than millionaires, right? This happens to girls especially, young girls, where they'll get body image issues because rather than walking around the real world, they're on social media and the brain is perceiving that as that's reality. So the same thing is true with like people's opinions, people's fake virtues signaling, how people are,

like the real world does not like that, but your brain doesn't know that. So when you're in that all the time, my wife is really good at checking me with this. Like I'll tell her about like this. Did you see that guy that did that thing, or the person who says whatever, and she goes,

south she goes, how many times have you met someone in real life like that? I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, you're right. Like, you could find anybody online, you know, any crazy person online, but in real life, you're right, I've never run into, I've never run into a guy who spent $20,000

making himself look like a dog. Yeah, that's what's going viral now. Did you guys see that? The Japanese man? You know, what you see that? No, no, no. This is Guy in Japan. It's really a lot of her costume.

It's like doing surgery to make him sell it. Like this crazy costume or whatever. I don't know if he's a surgery, but yeah, I definitely went all in. Well, I remember when the, to make himself look like a borderline or whatever. But yeah, I definitely went all in and I remember when the make himself look like a border well you never win like the the lizard people started becoming a thing right where like literally not to like the lizard people I want to be go board of crazy shit people that would like what's the

surgery on their tongue so split and then make their eyes all like look like it's like I mean but I've never seen that real life. No, yeah, but this guy literally, it was self-look like a dog. Yeah. And then someone took him for a walk and he was like, this is what I've always wanna do. I've always wanted to be in that. Dude, I mean, but you know, it's like if you see that

crazy stuff all the time, you're like, oh my God, what's happening? I've never seen that in real life. So like the inception of social media, like this is kind of, this is my thoughts going into it from the very beginning was like, they're just highlighting the craziest wildest, shocking thing. Like, whenever somebody was thinking,

was like a very small portion of the population was even had those thoughts to begin with, it starts shaping the culture to the point where reality starts mimicking what we're seeing online to where people think this is the reality. It's not reality, this is false. This is a faux reality. By the way, I want to be clear,

like we fall for this all the time. I fall for this all the time. That's how hard it is to be aware of what's going on. I'm pretty sure I've made comments online that I wouldn't make in real life. And I'm just self-reflecting and trying to really stop and remind myself like, why are we here? What are we trying to do? There's definitely this anti-health industry with this agenda. We've talked about it many times on the show. And it's getting worse

and worse. And they're weaponizing social media against us, highlighting the worst of fitness as it, as if it's the most of fitness when in the real world It's not like people who actually go to gyms and actually work out and actually know the members and real gym owners and real trainers And real coaches like that. They're not like that the they none of them are like that The ones that are like that are the ones that are on social media And that's all they do they don't do anything else And they again this is like back and forth like oh You say the squat is the best. That's such an unfunctional exercise.

In real life, would you walk up to me and say that if I was giving a seminar? No. They shut up, douchebag. Yeah, no, you wouldn't. And if you did, we would have a discussion about it. And we would probably agree on a lot of things if you're genuinely interested in educating.

I feel like I try and lead with that foot when people question me about other fitness people's content, is it's like, well, I always try and be like, there's some truth to that. I mean, the way he's stating it is, do you grab attention and to cause controversy and to get likes and follows and views, but I could argue that case.

I could also argue the opposite, which is in many cases and follows and views. But, you know, I could argue that case. I could also argue the opposite, which is in many cases in health and fitness. Like I feel like there isn't one way because there's so many ideas with each other. So many ways. You have to consider the effectiveness of a particular form of exercise by itself. Then the effectiveness, as it's applied to the person,

then consider their psychology and their preferences and their fitness history. And then there's probably other things I'm not even mentioning, but just those three things right there make how you use fitness and how you improve your health so nuanced and unique that arguing over which exercise is the best. I mean, we can have discussions about it, but there's cases, look, I'll tell you right now, there are definitely cases where a leg extension is better than a barbell squat for someone. 100%. I could find somebody and I could bring him in and there could be a situation where

I'm like, oh yeah, this person, leg extensions better for them than a barbell squat. So it's very nuanced. And again, it's like, would you actually say this in the gym? Probably. Yeah. Well, if you're not already considering that there's an individual variance, your shitty coach, you know, bottom line, if you're going to make blanket statements and generalizations that this is the only

way, you're fucking idiot. All right. So I'm going to, I'm going to change directions here. You brought up, uh, Andrew Tate. You brought up Andrew Tate in the discussion and I just saw him do another interview and he made a really good point that I'd like to bring up on here. Oh, now he's gonna quote Andrew Tate boy, this is come full circle for me.

Come on, sir, let's hear it. Since you brought it out here, then Andrew, what do you say, huh? Oh no, no, no. Listen, listen, it's his bravado that turns me off. Oh, yeah, you know the big don't worry, just cool demand. Go ahead, let's hear it. Let's hear it.

No, listen, so there's a video of him circulating. It's going viral of him talking about like how to manipulate girls and doing webcam and how you treat them. And he got confronted in an interview about this. And he goes, and he's, you made two comments that I thought were really, I mean, they're, they're correct. One, he's like, man, they have scrubbed through my content over the last 10 to 15 years. So hard. He goes, and that's what they could find. He goes, I don't think anybody would pass that

limit test. That's true. Like everybody was especially, especially somebody who's put as much content as like, say us or someone like him up, like there is a lot of stuff we've said. And at a context could be, could look real bad. For 10 years ago. Yeah.

Like could you imagine if the average person was, if we were able to like investigate their last 10 years, how many skeletons we'd be able to find. People change and they grow and all that stuff. He said that, so fine, whatever. I think the video that was 10 years ago was like, oh, it's terrible sounding, but he makes good points. I guarantee I said some shit 10 years ago

that if I was put on video, I'd be embarrassed to sell. So that's 100%. And then he said this, which I thought was also, and we've gone through this, when you're communicating, because that video when he made it, it was not to the internet, it was to his private group.

Yeah, it's private group, say 50 people. He's like communicating to 50 people is different than when you communicate to 50 million. And 50 private people. Private, yeah. He says there's far more responsibility when you have that much influence. We've felt that.

Like if you listen to our early episodes, we had like 300 people listening. So it's like you're in our living room smoking a joint with us. It's a totally different conversation. And now we have 10 million people listening. We have a different responsibility. And so we have to kind of think the people are more calculated. Yeah, and you have to be careful with how you say certain things, because you have a responsibility. He made those two points. I thought they were, they were on point. I mean, to piggyback off what you're saying, especially when our desired outcome, this is talking about us, right, was to help as many people as possible. Yes. Right. If we just wanted to make a fun podcast where we said crude jokes and got high and had a good time, if that was the vision, we would have stayed the course that way. But ultimately, it was like, can we reach and help as many people as we possibly can?

And that was the way we wanted to disrupt the industry. It must be effective. Yeah, and admittedly, you know, used the shock and awe approach to get attention early on because that was the way that we thought we could get attention. And it did, it gave us a little bit of traction because we would say these outlandish things, but then we'd say this really smart stuff related

to health and fitness that was counter the norm and message. So yeah, it helped the beginning, but then we hit major plateaus of not being like, I mean, how many times do we get emails back in the days? Like, I love your show, but I have kids in the car. I can never listen to it. I want to show my mom, or I want to show my sister,

but the profanity in this and the topic sometimes are. So it's like, you know, and we agreed, we didn't want to change who we are, but they, I mean, the profanity in this and the topic sometimes are. So it's like, you know, and we agreed, we didn't want to change who we are, but the same time too, it's like, that's no different than how I was as a coach and trainer. I never, I don't ever believe I changed who I was, but I also, but I most certainly was respectful

of who I was communicating to and how I would talk to my, you know, 65 year old rabbi that I was training versus my 18 year old kid that I was really. You really need to read the room. Yeah, that's all it is. Self-awareness, social awareness. Yeah, the message is the same, how you communicate the message changes

if you want to be effective. Yeah, and effectiveness is defined by like, and then add in, like you talk about sheer numbers, like that I remember the first time that, like it really like dawn on me, like God, the amount of people that are listening at one time at all times there's a minimum of 150 to 200,000 people listening to an episode when you stand in a stadium the biggest football or basketball stadium you've ever been into you're talking about 30

to 50,000 people, you know 5X that and go like at all times this many people are listening to message of course 20 people are entire five stadiums are not gonna like how I said something or agree with it. It's just like, you can't make everybody happy at that point either. And you have a responsibility. Our responsibility is, you know, like it always has been, like can we be as effective

as possible at helping people? And if there's more people, the responsibility gets, you know, much larger. Speaking of responsibility, I gotta tell this story on the podcast. I think, I told you guys of responsibility, I gotta tell this story on the podcast. I think I told you guys already, but I gotta tell the show, cause it's just, it's a top 10 experience in my life, for sure.

Really? I told you guys, this was last week. We were, I was getting my hair cut by Vicki. Now, people don't know Vicki, she cuts our hair every Monday. She's awesome. What's the name of her shop? We gotta give it a shout out. Faded, faded. Faded in San Jose and I'm working Monday. She's awesome. What's the name of her shop? We gotta give it a shout out.

Faded, faded. Faded in San Jose and I'm working hell. She's amazing. Okay, she's great, hilarious, hard working, entrepreneur, like no holds barred. We love her. So she's cut him to the best. She's cut him to my hair, right?

Don't get her arrested here. No, no, I already asked her. Oh, okay. I asked her, can I tell this story? She goes, yeah, you could tell this story. So, very cool. So, she's cut him to my hair. And I tell the story? She goes, yeah, you could tell the story. So, very cool. So, she's cutting my hair and I got the editors, you know, sitting at that bar area on the front.

So, yeah, four or five young guys under 25. Yeah, and they're all eating and working and she's cutting my hair and we're all having conversations at the same time. And we were talking about, like, she was talking about like events, like big events. She's like, yeah, I used to love going to big events, but then sometimes it gets a little shady and I get a little worried if I have my kids with me. She's like, yeah, I used to love going to big events, but then sometimes it gets a little shady

and I get a little worried if I have my kids with me. She's like, that's why I'm always packing heat. And I'm like, yeah, are you always packing heat? She goes, come on, she walks over to her Louis Vuitton purse, pulls out a nine millimeter. She clicks, so gays. Pulls out the magazine, pops it back in, puts it back in her purse. I wish I could have seen the boy, the boy's faces.

That had been so epic to see you. Because she's like how much you five one yeah, yeah, they look on their face a little firecracker Just yeah, they were all like I You ever feel like just like Just what I think I could like her anymore Such a boss You know, she's like I couldn't like her anymore. I know. That was awesome. She's such a boss. She's pulling out. You know, she's like, and the guys like,

uh, everybody's like looking down at their work. I'm going to pretend like I'm. So great. I did. I was dying. I got a follow up story for you. So before we left vacation, I told you guys about what happened to my sister, right?

Which was fucking crazy. Oh, yeah, they got a runner up. Yeah, which was super crazy. So I, I link up with my sister again. We're up here. This is so now, a week later after, two weeks later after that incident had happened to her. And she lives in Reno. I'm up at the trucky house. And she's

heading over to come see me. She's ubering, right? Because she's her cars in the shop still getting repaired because all the damage done to it. And she's taxing me. She's frustrated Uber drivers like driving like crazy slow and there's traffic because she's only like 20 minutes from that house, right? And she gets to the house and she's like, oh my God. I was sitting in the back of this Uber, I'm pissed off because it's driving slow, it's got no air conditioning. And I lean my head back, I look to the right, and there's the motherfucker who hit me.

No way. In traffic, right next door, he's got the markings of her car on the side of it, everything I tell him. No way. Where she able to know way. Pro. Yes. Even to that she goes, how crazy is this? She goes when the officer did my report, he kept saying like, are you sure it wasn't a

white car? And she's like, I know it wasn't a white car. He's like, are you sure? Because you have white paint. And he's like, no, it was this, the champagne color, this and that. And she goes, sure, shit. He had a white panel all the way around. And you can see my red marking on his white,

all the marks are all still there. She goes, and I got his license plate, I videoed him, I got everything. Oh, wow. That just happened. That just happened. So you got to let us know what happened. I know, I know, I was texting him before we got on air

because I wanted to hear what the update was. So her, she did that, she sent it over to her husband. You put a license plate on line. She has to go in there. Well, it was great, which was super proud of Tom for her husband for having to wear with all to make sure that this was so traumatic for my sister that he was like, listen, this is not just a hit and run. This was like, he tried to harm her.

I want to make sure that this was an attempt at her on top of that. So when they filed the report, it wasn't just a classic hit run, which you can get. No, hit runs in accident. He was purposely trying to hit him, which was attempted. I mean, it could be a assault with a deadly weapon. So it was filed as that.

And then of course, he was just like, oh, they're never gonna find this person. It was like, they didn't get a plate, they didn't get anything. And we all know how that works. It's not like they go out searching manhunt for this person. What a gift. How serendipitous was that, right?

And she was at the crazy part which was like she was getting so irritated in the car who's hot and the guys driving so slow. And then she looked lean back and there's the dude right next to her. So she got video of it. Can you tell me about that story? Oh, we got the rage that my,

oh, well, so you know, so when she looked scar, what she said, she actually kind of got a little traumatized because when she leaned back and lived to her right, it was the same angle and direction. She saw him right before she hit. So she had this kind of like flashback of, oh my god, it was just happening to me again and then kind of came to realize. Thank God she wasn't with Vicki, because I was. Thank God she wasn't with Vicki, because I was shit with it. Vicki would handle that. Hey, Health Crazy's that though, because part of it is she was so mad that she was stuck in traffic. So now she's like, that's why I was so mad.

Well, that's what she said. She's like, I would have, he would have never caught up to us had this guy just been driving normal in the normal lane, but because he was driving so slow and he kept letting everybody pass him by. She goes, he ends up pulling up right next to her and she's like, oh my God, I would have never seen him had he not been doing that. So she's like, after that, I didn't say anything. Dude, so that's because it was filed before

because she explained everything and he still has the marks on the car. That dude's probably, yeah, it's too much, there's too much evidence. She's like, you could see the dent, you could see my car color on the white. And she goes, now I understand why the cops are the white and that was all in the report too. So like, you could see the dent, you could see my car color on the white. And she goes, now I understand why the cops are the white. And that was all in the report too.

So like, wow, I mean, she's got him, she's got him dead to right. So now it's just a matter of what do they do? What a gift. So I know that. It's amazing. He sent over all the work. She has to actually go down there. I guess file some more stuff and turn it all in. But I mean, I think it's going to be pretty cut and dry.

I mean, they're going to be able to, it's licensed, play it, be able to get his address and know where he's at. That's what you get, dude. Not on his door. Wow. Hidden run is a big deal already. That's a huge deal. Yeah.

Is that a felony? I think it's an automatic felony if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, hit, run. Is she a Nevada? Yeah. I wonder what the Nevada, if it's different. So hidden runs a big deal already, and then you add in the fact you try to run somebody off the road

and they cut your shit. Oh, man. So what he might get away with is a hit and run. So he might get away with saying, why did it was an accident, right? If someone gets hurt or killed in the accident, then it's a felony. Okay.

So that would be the part that he might be able to debate is he might be able to be like, no, I was an accident. I wasn't trying to on purpose. That might be the only thing. So in which case, we'll put his license plate online on the internet. I think in which case, we'll put his license plate online. I'm the answer. I think karma's coming, man.

So yeah, yeah. He'll give his own. Yeah, okay. Here's another karma story for you. I thought it was hilarious. So you know the big lotto just happened, right? The billion dollar one of them. Everybody's been talking about.

So I don't know. It sent me down the rabbit hole of reading lottery stuff, a bunch of dorks we are, right? Stuff like this happens and I me down the rabbit hole of reading lottery stuff a bunch of dorks We are right stuff like this happens and I go down the rabbit hole So I come across this story of a famous lottery winner in Cleveland And I don't know how many years that they go this was this was a while back This is an old story, but I'd never heard it. That was fun to share so this guy wins the lotto and

Before it gets announced on television or something like that He decides what I'm gonna do is call all my family and friends and ask the borrow $4,000 from them before they find out that he won the lottery. Wow. Just find out. Bro, what about 3D chess, right? How smart was that?

So he calls up all, and of course everybody's like, oh, sorry, things are tight. Then he wins the lottery. Then he wins the lottery and now nobody fucking bugged him. Nobody asked for any money. Talk about it. Brilliant. Brilliant move.

What a brilliant move. Wow. I know. I was like, I never heard of that and I never thought and I've always thought like, man, everybody knows like you call it. And I'm care if it's a lottery or you famous or you're an athlete. Everybody comes out of the world. Yeah, all of a sudden the family and friends, everybody just expects you to get,

like, but to make that ninja move where you go reach out to all of them first, trying to get somebody to loan you money, inevitably everybody turns you down. Oh, it's all cool. I want a lottery. Hey, watch that and I'll be the move. Somebody asked me,

hey, it's talking about, yeah, sure, you get a borrow for a gram. Yeah. So anyway, how you been, man? What's going on? I thought that was great though. Hey, speaking of 3D chess. That's funny.

You guys see, okay, so Elon changed the name of Twitter to X. Oh, I just noticed that this morning my app had changed. Yes. So, here's the 3D chess part that I love. So, he put up a big X sign on the Twitter headquarters in San Francisco. It's all bright and whatever. Apparently, he didn't get the right permits or whatever.

What? So, but here's why it's all bright and whatever. Apparently, he didn't get the right permits or whatever. What? So, but here's why it's 3D chess. So you guys know, he's kind of been in conflict with San Francisco and California in general many times. San Francisco in particular, they don't, it's a terribly managed city. It's a crazy. Crime is out of control.

Spiral is in it. Oh, suicide, drug use and just stores have to lock up and chain, like candy and deodorant, it's just insane. So, he puts this up, San Francisco board of directors, whatever, now trying to go out for him. What do you think people on social media are doing? Texan showing pictures of you. They're like, oh, you got all the time

and energy to handle this, but you can't handle it bro. It was, I feel like you did it on purpose. That's amazing. Yeah, do you see the track poop sightings in San Francisco? They have, okay, looks at app or something. It's an app and you can report whether you see human shit. Like, and you could see a map of just like brown.

Like, no. Oh, look at those. Yeah, be either. I saw it and I was like, dude, this is so nuts. And that's brilliant that, you know, it's like, it gives you something that you're tracking and paying attention to. Look at it. Destructively disgusting that city. The name is brilliant. It's called snap crap.

No way. Yeah, dude. I want to download it. I don't live there. I'm so mad we could come up with this app, dude. I know, right? What a smart app. It's a great way to bring it. It's really documenting it, too. Everywhere, like, there's a place where there's human defecation is like, dude,

homeless have run rampant and messy. Bro, my ex-wife took my older kids. I don't remember they were gonna watch a show and they had to park somewhere and then we're gonna walk toward the show. It was only like a street or two down. Yeah. And so they hadn't been in San Francisco for a while

and she says, my kids told me this story. They're like, mom asked a police officer to walk them because she looked at the street and she's like, I can't walk down there with my two kids and she's like, the city's gotten so bad. So like, I would sell my house so fast if I had a house in San Francisco

because you add in, it's the largest mass accidents of all the cities in the country, okay? So that there's more people leaving there than anywhere else in the country. You also factor in, it's part of the Silicon Valley, right? So San Francisco, based on a Bay Area, right? All kind of Silicon Valley area. Yeah. Tech jobs, 50% of people have returned back to office. So the office spaces are like empty

all over the place. Yeah. Desolate. It is only a thing that's hanging on by a thread right now. It's only a matter of time before that. And then you add in the homeless stuff and the crime and the, oh, it's only a matter of time. Do you speak of like different places? So I was in, but we were all kind of vacation. I went to, with Jessica to visit

Summer Her Family in Arkansas. I'd never been to Arkansas before. Either way. And I've heard, well, first off, I need to say this about Arkansas. So it's in the middle of the summer. I've never experienced humidity like that. Let's try it, warning.

He was just in for a same time. You were saying that. I was saying, let's see, listen, listen. I've been to Sicily and Sicily gets humid. Yeah. But this feels like I felt like I was walking through water. You know what I'm saying?

Like you're walking and you're like, am I in the ocean? Yeah, like it's so humid, it's insane. Like my sunglasses, I literally was walking outside and the whole thing, it was fog. I had to like keep wiping them. I couldn't see that. It's so, it was so like your outside and my kids were, my little ones are just glistening with sweat all the way

and my sun's hairs all wet. Did you go, maybe like what's going on? Yeah. And then they might be in boiled alive. And then the mosquitoes dude are, but are dude. The mosquitoes are relentless. But anyway.

So enough of that stuff for me. Yeah. The people, you know they have to say the people in the South are so friendly and whatever. Dude, it's real. It's true. It's real. I had at least 10 experiences. So it's not just one. So the first one that happened is I went to a gas station. That's how we were in Tennessee. I felt the same way. It was, but we were in Tennessee. We were in that one.

Yeah, sure. So I felt like, okay, maybe do the bias. No, I felt like everywhere you go. So I was in Arkansas for four days or five days and I went to the gas station, I went to Walmart, I went to the grocery store, I went to shops, I took my niece and nephew out. And so the first experience I went to the gas station to get, I don't remember I was gonna get like a drink

or something. So I walk in, walk to the back, grab the drink, walk up at the front and the lady looks at me, she goes, I'm so sorry when you walked in, she's like, I saw you, but I was focusing on something else. So, hey, I'm a pull, grab the drink, walk up the front and the lady looks at me and she goes, I'm so sorry when you walked in, she's like, I saw you but I was focusing on something else. So, hey, I'm a pull, I'm like, what? You're apologizing.

What's happening? I've never had a gas station, anybody say hi to me. Yeah. And you're apologizing, you didn't greet me. I'm like, this is like a, oh, that's a one off. No, there were ear pods here and they don't even look at you and they're like, ugh. Yeah, dude, I went to Walmart because we had to buy some,

we were gonna buy like a high chair for the baby, a couple of things. And I go in there and the lady, dude, I went to Walmart because we had to buy some, we were going to buy like a high chair for the baby a couple of things. And I go in there and the lady who's ringing me up, we just start, she's like, start talking and she's like, Oh, this is for who's this for? So for my daughter, oh, I got four kids. Hold on. Just wonderful. Then the lady in line behind me starts talking, ran me wonderful conversation about children and raising kids. This happened like 10 times. I gave a tip, like a normal tip, when I bought some food at this place. I gave like a normal tip.

The kid came out, wanted to thank me for the tip. Hey, thank you very much. Appreciate the owner, owners making sure, you know, how you guys like the food. It's just a normal little restaurant. Wasn't like anything crazy. Okay, it is different. The people are very different.

What you notice it is the stark contrast of what we experience every day here. Waving at me, people driving, waving at you. You know? You like flip me off for like waving at me. It's like, what? I'm just trying to be nice, let people in like, yeah. Yeah, no, I had the same experience of Florida. It was funny.

I mean, there's a bunch of things we did. Like, I was like, kind of like just running the whole time it felt like trying to get Everett to his event and to compete and do all this thing for gymnastics. He had fun, like he got there for nationals with the Colo. How do you do that, man? He did great. So he got like fourth in three of the competitions.

So yeah, so I was happy. It's funny too. And I'm proud of him. I was really proud of him. He was really like not okay about it. He's like he was pissed he didn't get first. Oh, yeah, and I'm just like He's a off the tree. What are they saying? Oh, I get that like but you know like and then we talked about the lesson of that and what we need to do to be able to produce that type of a level of

excellence and We noticed what they did differently than him and we had a good conversation about that. So it was like, it was really good. Like I was glad that he was able to kind of step back and really like assess that and like, no, like hey, I could have done this, I could have done that. I mean, he worked his ass off like in the gym,

like five, six days a week, double days to like prepare for this and like, you know, compete, you know, at days to like prepare for this and like, you know, compete, you know, at a higher level against everybody else in the country. So I was proud of him, but we tried to make, you know, a short trip out of it and do some fun stuff. And so last minute, like we booked this airboat. It was such a trip, dude.

Can I just tell you? Where are those ones with the big fans? Yeah, I bet it. Can I just tell you, I was hoping for like a character, you know, like if you, if you anticipate like going an airboat in the swaps Like you want a guy that's like, you know, it looks like that kind of Literally lived there. So we got the guy that he's got there's one island that was man-made in Just hundreds of miles of swap. And he's there.

He has a three story house, like the top of it, he built just so you could look out and like see, and it was, oh my God, it was hot. It was just, it was like 100 degrees, it was like 80% humidity, something. It was just nuts. And dude, he had like pet alligators. Like, we're like feeding him.

He had, he raises turtles and so the kids got to get this bucket of turtles and then we're out there spreading them around. Okay, so I totally thought you guys were feeding the turtles to the aligators. Like, yeah, that's ruthless bro. No, these baby turtles. Like, well, you guys, if you saw his story,

maybe, yeah, I'm just supposed to that phrase clip. The first clip is alligators, like, snipping up at the boats and the next clip with them putting little fucking baby out of baby turtles out in the water I'm like are they feeding these fucking nature is metal No, yeah, it doesn't don't give a fuck Oh When do we feed them baby dolphins? Oh shit. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm not ready for that

I mean the guy like literally lives there by himself. Nobody else, no family, no, like he's just there. Like, I'm like, what do you do? Isn't it crazy how different people are and how okay they are? Yeah, you know, it makes you feel kind of like, well, I mean, he's cool. He's like a nice, really nice guy. Like very, he trains like military and police

and like law enforcement. And he was just like a very cool guy, but like so bizarre for me. I can't even imagine like that lifestyle and he was just like a very cool guy, but like so bizarre for me. I can't even imagine like that lifestyle and like living like that. If the shit hit the fan, those are the people that would survive. Like the rest of us will be dead. Yeah, I mean, that dude would be okay. Yeah, the rest of us survivalists.

Yeah, we were sure. We wouldn't make it. Yeah. Now you were up and. Yeah, yeah. I was, I really disconnected this week. It was really nice for me to, one of the things I love about being up there is that it's easy to, to just kind of throw the phone to the side.

And, and I mean, I think I got on there and might have posted a couple times some videos of some of the stuff. They're just all family time. All family time. Yeah, it was up there with, my, this is our annual trip that I do. This is now the fourth year, fourth or fifth year,

in a row, same week, same time, same everything that we go with the same group. And it's cool. Cause I mean, they had that we have two, four or five, we have five kids under five there. Right. So and they've all been doing this since they were all born. Oh, that's a good right. So it's kind of cool to watch every year, like the evolution of what the trip is like for us, you know, yeah, the first year where everybody's got, we got all these, you know, walkers out and everyone's constantly like watching all the corners. The kids were actually now at this age where we only have one that is like a little, you

know, one and a half year old, the rest are four or five plus years old. And so, you know, they kind of sit back in the back barbeque and have a drink and watch the kids run around and play. It's like, we get, we had that kind of moment where we gaining little freedoms. Yeah, when we talk, I remember I was talking about it when we were all in the thick of it, right? When it was like full, full court defense for all of us on kids, right? Like, because they were so little going like, man, one day we're all going to be able to

sit back here and have a beer and just let them let them roam and play. And so they're like, they're like this close to like kicking them out the door and just go do it or come back in four or five play. And so they're like this close to kicking them out the door and just go do it or come back in four or five hours. And so it was nice. It was nice. Yeah, I know people talk about those early stages. Oh my God, that's why I don't want to have kids that's so hard.

It doesn't last that long. It's like, you know, you're going to be in it for like five years. And then you miss it. So I flew to Arkansas with the two little ones. So we got my two and a half year old and my eight month old. And flying, you have to take two planes because there wasn't a direct flight.

Flying with two little ones is definitely a different experience, right? I flew back before them because they're still up there. I'm gonna fly back again and then come back with them so that Jessica doesn't come alone on the plane or whatever. So on the way back, I'm like, oh, I get to fly by myself. This is gonna be so cool and relaxing. I on the plane or whatever. So on the way back, I'm like, oh, I get to fly by myself. Like this is gonna be so cool and relaxing. I'm gonna sleep or whatever.

Within 15 minutes, I see parents with their little kids. And I'm like, oh man, I miss my little kids. I miss my little ones, you know? So I start playing with someone else's kids. Yeah. I start missing them, you know? It's just, it's so funny. It's day two for me.

Day two, I've already figured this out. So day one, you're like, yes. Day one, it's nice to me. I don't know if you're on the same page. I'm sure you're not. It's like,. It's day two for me. Day two, I've already figured this out. So day one, you're like, yes. Day one, it's nice to me. I don't know if you're on the same page. I'm sure you're not. It's like, day one is like, oh yeah, I needed to like a day of like only being responsible for myself, you know.

And then by day two, I'm like, all right, I miss my, I miss my, so I want to ask you guys this. This is because I tell my wife this, but she doesn't believe me. She thinks I'm just being nice. When the sexy, the absolute sexiest thing that she does, like I don't care what she's wearing, usually she's wearing sweats when this happens or whatever.

The hottest thing she does is when she's calmly and confidently being a mom with a little one. When I see her doing that, like I'm like, she, I annoy her because she's like, get off me. She's so attractive to me. So we're flying there and she's like, managing the kids and I'm helping. We're working together, but I'm watching.

And then we get there and we were staying in, what are they called, trailers. So her mom has a little piece of land and we were staying on trailer. So that's super comfortable for me. I'm not a big, you guys know this. You and I are kind of have this in common at them. I'm not a camping person.

I don't like it. I'll be uncomfortable. I don't like that kind of stuff. But she's with her them. I'm not a camping person, I don't like it, I'll be uncomfortable. I don't like that kind of stuff. But she's with her family, I see her playing with the kids and being with the other kids, and I'm watching them, I was like, oh my gosh, the most attractive thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And I tell her this, she's like, you're lying.

I'm all sweaty and gross. I think that is not... I think that is that way for, I will, I don't know. That's my experience. I mean, when we had, even when she was pregnant, from the moment she was pregnant, most certainly once she had the baby, she was pregnant, from the moment she was pregnant, most certainly once she had the baby, and then also to see the way she raised my son.

Although, I kinda knew it, but it's different when you see it. Right? Like I knew that the type of woman that she was before we ever had a child together, and I assume that, you know, I believe in the, how you do anything is how you do everything type of mentality. So I believe that she would attack motherhood the same way she did anything else,

but actually seeing it is an unbelievable turn on. And it's, and what's really unique, at least in my situation is that, that shifted a lot because the original thing that I was so attracted to was her independence. Like her being a one self-made, take care of herself, doesn't need any help, type of, like that was like super attractive to me.

I don't give a shit about that anymore. Seeing her be a mother is far more attractive to me. So that's really been an interesting dynamic in our relationship for that to pivot. Yeah, so because I tell her that, she doesn't believe me, she thinks I'm being nice because she's like, cause I don't have my makeup on.

I don't have my, you know, I didn't take a shower or whatever, I'm like, honey, I swear to God, you could be like, like, hair to shovel whatever. When I see you do that stuff, it's like the hottest thing in the world. It's so amazing. And I think there's a lot of dads out there that know exactly what I'm talking about.

So this is to the moms out there. If your husband tells you that he's telling the truth because it's a real thing. I imagine women have the same thing. I mean, Justin shares about how, you know, that's how we get his chore play like that. Him working on the house and fixing things up and keeping things in order like that. That's probably a really attractive thing for her,

you know, to see that. I know I get attracted to lean into that. Yeah, yeah. Fixing things. We're just a bit. Just seeing that thing on there. Able body, I can do it. That's pretty awesome.

Dude, I gotta tell you guys, we have Caldera mentioned in today's episode and I'll tell you what, dude, that they're oil. The second I introduced it to someone, they're so sold, it's not even funny. If I show somebody it, it's all showing people, they try this on your face, they put it on. That's it, done. It's the best thing they've ever used. And these are people who use skincare products. And so I'm not talking about me where I wasn't a big skincare product consumer.

They're so sold. Like whatever they did with that, specifically that formula, is, and then I tried their soap. They use it. Oh, you finally used it. You were not exaggerating. I was not exaggerating.

What is up with that lather? It's the best lather ever. It's like a nothing compares It's like a dense thick. It's not like big fluffy bubbles. It's like dense thick Amazing like if like luxurious nothing nothing I've never ever had a bar soap that lathers like that Yeah, yeah, I don't have adjectives, dude. I'll be honest In this direction, you know, it's like, I don't, oh, this is unfamiliar territory. It's like, it gets me clean.

It's nice. It's nice. It's nice. I like it. It's really good. I mean, I think part of the serum thing is like, because I was, I was concerned when we first, obviously when we first started with them,

because I was like, you know, well, our audience received it, is it something they're into, I'm into it, so maybe there's gonna be a small percentage of people that are like me. I thought, maybe that'll be enough. But what it is, Sal, is I think that the first time you use it, you can already see a difference.

That's what I mean. That's so far. That's so far. Right, right. Well, I try this for a week or two. Like some products, supplements, for example. It's like, oh, you gotta take it consistently, and then, man, look at this and manage that,

and maybe this will feel better, maybe that way, and it's like, man, it's so subjective. It's like so hard to measure and be like, where this is like, oh, I put it on my, oh, wow, I can see the difference in my skin, the very first time and then it's compounding. They look more consistent, you are with it. The more it's like the easiest product to sell

because I'm just like, here tries real quick. I want it, or I'll send you some. It does require that. You get it. Yeah, sure. I gotta tell you guys some scary shit about the dystopian society that China is creating. Are you seeing what they're doing

with their social credit system? They're doing new stuff now, because it's been scary the whole time. Wow. So this is how the crazy in advance that's getting. If somebody calls you on your phone, so I'm gonna get a phone call from someone, but that person has a below whatever number social credit system.

Because so for people who don't know in China, you have a social credit number. And the government decides what gives you better points or what takes points away. So it's like, you know, it's related things like tickets, paying back your debt, like, or comments on social media. Right, right. I mean, it could be anything. Talking bad about the state. Yes, yes. So it could be whatever they decide.

It's a lot more than just stuff like that, right? So if somebody calls you on your phone with a specific credit score or the social credit score, your phone won't ring, it'll alarm. Broom, broom, broom, broom. So now everybody now around you knows and if you answer it your score goes down like simply talking To that person, okay ready for this. Okay gets even deeper. They now also Track you based on your score and on your phone. It will alert you if you're within a certain amount of distance from somebody With a low score if you stay close to them it will affect you if you're within a certain amount of distance from somebody with a low score.

If you stay close to them, it will affect your credit score in a negative way. Another word to root up way to live. In other words, you avoid, oh shit, that is an island. What an interesting experiment. I'm like, so how far do you think the Chinese people lab rats? Yeah, how far do you think they'll let it go? Like, do you think at some point they're going to be like, okay, this is way too long? Well, they'll let it go to a backfires.

Like, right now, the reason why, I mean, it's real easy for us on the outside over here to look over and poke and be like, oh, that's ridiculous, that's crazy. But they wouldn't continue implementing it. They didn't see things that they thought were working. For example, like, as hard as they are with pushing education, some of the kids, I mean, the kids are learning at a faster rate and accelerating in so many areas.

So to them, it's like, oh, okay, this is proving what we're doing is working in moving there. So I think it'll go until it really blows up in their face until there's a big revolution, until someone pushes back really, really hard and you get chaos over it. Yeah, because like, literally if you're just gonna start to isolate the society.

That's what you're doing. You're gonna become sure. Not only are you not able to, because before what it was is you're not able to buy certain things, you're not able to get a. Not only are you not able to, because before what it was, is you're not able to buy certain things, you're not able to get a train ticket, you're not able to get a plane ticket, but now it's going to be that people don't even want to be near you. So you'll be walking and people will go inside their shops. It's so prio.

Yeah, where are they going to hang out? Oh, that's crazy. Well, as this whole underground, that's the thing. You're going to create a lot of underground, you know, potential revolutionists. Maybe, right? That's what I feel like. What it'll be really weird is like, so I think I talked about this before.

We had an issue, Doug and I, on a payment that didn't go through, it was like an auto thing. And like, I mean, my credit still has not got all the way back to where it was, and that was like seven, eight months ago. Yeah. And so imagine, and a lot of that is just the bureaucracy of all the people it has to go through in order for this auto payment to happen.

And so it's like this person, I talked to this person, I talked about that person, I talked to this person, oh, because it sold this to that bank. So that's gotta happen in China too, where there's like misunderstandings. And so what happens in a situation like that, where all of a sudden now my score goes lower that I can't call you without an alarm going off.

Like, and you're a friend of mine. And like, just recently, I was like, that's the situations that I think you're going to talk. Well, so here's because people are going to say, well, people have been ostracized for all of history, for whatever reason. But this is very different because who's controlling, there's people who are controlling this, and they control the narrative. So if you have the wrong political view,

if you have the wrong opinion, if you didn't do that, whatever. You read the article that Doug just pulled up? In China, you get a special warning before you call people, oh, money, telling you to get them to pay up. So imagine you get a call from Justin. Hey, what's up, out of, by the way,

you got to pay back Doug, okay, don't forget. Like, wow. You know, I wonder how long, how far they're gonna go before the people like this is enough dude This crazy. I mean what was it in Nazi Germany? We're like the Hitler youth they would get them to Nark on their parents and like it was like socially trying to to construct it in a way where it was like okay, let's get You to report people that you're seeing is this is like on steroids

This is all so the part that always shocks me and you made a great reference with Nazi Germany at the same time is that the amount of people that go along with it. Yeah. I mean, it's, again, it's easy for us on this side to be like, oh my God, it's so crazy. But what's even crazier to me is that there's millions of people that comply and agree. Yeah. That's even a cool, that's more crazy. And like, it's like from the outside, it's easy to see that.

But when you're living in it and it's a slow drip and Again, and this is the I guess is what I get alarmed all time and you know lumped in the conspiracy category, but it's just I get I pay attention to signs and ways things move and and how society is kind of shaping itself in a direction and that's where it's like We have to have firm boundaries and establish those boundaries, or they're going to disappear. And once they disappear, they don't come back. They don't come back. What's, you know, it can be replaced with. So it's, I just feel like in terms of like a country and like the way that we have a say right now with the way that things are run

in the government and the structure of it, we can get involved, we can do things, we actually have the ability to say something, then say something. Yeah, I know, I know, it's, and what they do is they demonize the people that are always like, you know, leave me alone, you know, these are my rights, leave me alone. I don't want the government in crutch

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phrase differently. How do you work out with your abs or put them in a workout? What should it look like? At the end, I mean, yeah, we're improving the workout. At the end. Oh, that's a, I'm glad you said that. Even think of that. Yeah, if you're training your core on a day that you train other body parts, you should probably do it at the end because you don't wanna pre-fatigue your core. Yeah, and then do other exercises. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that's your foundation. And I mean, I think that's, at least I think that's mostly

where this confusion comes from is like, where'd I slot it in the workout? Because you're more than likely to do more than just abs. Very few people just go to the gym and just do abs, you know, only in order. Yeah, because you don't wanna have fatigue core and then do squats.

Yeah, so I think the staple move people just go to the gym and just do abs, you know, normally you have, you know, because you don't want to have fatigue core and then do squats, get a lift, or press. So I think the staple move is to just add it at the end of the routine. And then at that point, it's very similar to every other muscle. I mean, the more frequent you hit it, the better, but you also got to modify intensity based off that. So if you're doing it three days a week,

you know, you go moderate intensity. If you're only training abs once a week, you can go a little bit harder intensity but a lot of the same roots of muscle it's a lot of same rules apply I think the one thing that I would just keep in mind is that it is your foundation in all movements like your core is always having to be activated and worked and so you don't want to be doing these big compound lifts overhead presses even bench pressing, squatting, deadlifting and have fatigued your core first. You want to do it. You're basically increasing your risk of injuries.

What you're doing. I would like to address those some myths around ab or core training. One of them being, well, just generally speaking, they need to be trained somehow differently than other body parts in terms of reps, and in terms of sets and frequency. The abs and the core respond to strength training like every other muscle in the body.

There's not, they're not some unique different way to train them because they somehow respond better to, let's say, higher abs or, you know, train them every day versus three days a week or two days a week like other body, it's the same. So if you're, let's say your shoulders respond really well to sets of eight, will your abs respond well to sets of eight? Yes, they also well. So will your obliques and the rest of your body? Strength training is strength training.

That's the other thing I want to say is that people think high reps are the only way to train the core. Now I get where that comes from. It doesn't come from the fact that the core responds better to high reps core. Now I get where that comes from. It doesn't come from the fact that the core responds better to high reps. It comes from the fact that perfect form is very important when you train the core. And training the core with heavy resistance, you increase your risk of injury. And if you hurt your low back, well now you're not doing well at all. So, but heavy resistance is great for the core so long as the form is perfect.

That's true for the rest of the body, but there's special consideration, I would say for the core, but it's trained like any other body part. Good resistance, full range of motion. You're probably looking at between a total of nine to 18 sets per week, one to three days a week, total of training, and that's pretty much it.

Yeah, I think that's why. I think it really requires like really good technique when you go to load these type of exercises to do it, actual strength exercise with your core, where you can get waves a little bit more if you do like lower reps or higher reps in more volume. And so yeah, you just have to be more deliberate about not totally incorporating your hip flexors,

getting that good form and techniques for your abs, maximally get that exposure. Next question is from Preacherman Joe. What is the best body fat percentage to be in for health? Oh, I love this question. This is a good question because- It's not an answer. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so I mean, so the data does show when body fat percentage starts to become a negative in terms of health, both on the low end and on the high end. So for men, when body fat percentage- Well, clearly with women, I would say for sure. Well, it's just a different range. Yeah, so for men, once you start to get into the single body fat percentages,

you start to see negative impacts on hormones. Okay. So below 10%. Now there's an end, I want to, real quick, because you're going to get the guy who speaks up, who's, I've been 6% body fat for the last eight years, and my health markers are amazing. This is general, there's a wide variance with individual, in respects to body fat for the last eight years, and my health markers are amazing. This is general. There's a wide variance with individual,

in respects to body fat percentage. But generally speaking, if a man starts to go into the single digit body fat percentage range, you start to see hormone changes that are not favorable, things like lower testosterone, higher cortisol levels throughout the day, and stuff like that. Above about 20% body fat is when you start to see negatives associated with high body fat percentage

with men, both hormonally and vascularly, metabolically. So it's above 20%. That's a huge ass range, right? Like 9% to 20% is a massive range. I also want to say that being fit and having a high body fat percentage is great. It's not perfect, but being fit and anybody fat percentage improves your health.

So even if you're bi-for percentage, 27% is a man. If you're fit, in other words, you have good stamina and strength and flexibility and all that stuff, you're doing okay. You'd be better off if you got leaner, but you're a lot better off than if you weren't fit. For women, when they start to go below 16, 17%, you start to see hormone negatives. When a woman goes above 30%, then you start to see the negatives associated with high

body fat percentage. Again, that's a big ass range. Really, it's like there's a body fat percentage that seems to be best for you. That's within that range. And being fit within that range is what you want. Not necessarily the body fat percentage, because you could take somebody who's very sick and has a low body fat percentage. What I mean by sick is just chronically ill.

And that body fat percentage says nothing about their health. And then you can see someone who's higher body fat percentage, but very fit, their body fat percentage in that case also wouldn't say a whole lot about their health. Yeah, I feel like the best way, or the best answer for this is that you will know better than anybody. I mean, there's that huge range that you're talking about.

And then there's also these outliers that actually even break that rule. So really, you understand all these markers, like you're getting your hormones checked and seeing how balanced and healthy you are there. Looking at things like sleep, like libido, like sustained energy throughout the day, like how well you sleep, how well you get up

and the more, like all those things, how productive that you are, like your stamina when you're working and you're doing things or you're doing physical activities, like all those things, and resistance to illness. Yeah, yeah, how well you stay healthy without getting sick all the time. That's the one I noticed when I got sick.

So it's like, yeah, when you, and you're, when all those things are the best they've ever been for you, you're probably in that range for yourself. If you don't look super shredded, who cares? Yeah. I mean, that's how I've been, I've told you guys this before,

I have felt healthier post bodybuilding, era, time in my life than I did actually in that era. And then also things like you take account for, which I didn't even mention is like joint health, like your mobility and flexibility and control and like those things matter too. So when you say too, I mean, you really, it boils down to if you've tried your best

to get to a place where you've gotten in low percentage for you to even have anything to compare to. I feel like there's not a lot of people that even pursued that long enough to know the difference. And so it's like they're normal, is they're normal? And then it's really bad, you know, from normal

in terms of their health markers go. So I don't know, it's, again, it's just a subjective of the conversation. Yeah, but I think that's such a great point you're bringing up right now that this is why I think everybody would benefit from getting themselves to the lowest body fat percentage they've ever been. See what that feels like.

Just see what that feels like. See what it feels like. Because to your point, which is more often than not, people think that they feel normal or feel good, but that's only because they've never felt great before. Yeah, right. Their normal or their good is what the best they've ever felt, but they don't realize there's another level of feeling great because they've never leaned out to that percentage. So it would be who've everybody to push themselves to a body fat percentage that is leaner than they've ever been so they can feel that and then they can go back the other direction and find out

where is that sweet spot. You know, one more thing to add is a low body fat percentage should not be the main effect that you're after, or rather the side effect. Right. So, for people listening right now, if you try to live a healthy life with your diet and your exercise and your sleep, the side effect of that will be a good healthy lean body fat percentage, whatever that means for you. Okay.

If you chase the lean body fat, you oftentimes sacrifice all the other stuff. So the health starts to decline. So, and it's also a more sustainable approach psychologically. If I'm only looking in the mirror and trying to make sure that I stay a particular body fat percentage, that's a very hard way to keep a sustainable routine.

But if I'm like monitoring how I feel, my health, my function, that's a very hard way to keep a sustainable routine. But if I'm like monitoring how I feel, my health, my function, that's a lot easier than the side effect of which is, oh my God, I look at, one more thing I'll add is the rain, so I'd love to ask you guys this, what is, have you guys identified the body fat percentage you tend to go in when you're doing, when you're the healthiest, when you feel the best?

For me, that number used to be, and I say used to, because I'll add something here, used to be about 11, 12%. 11, 12% is where I would fall when I was kind of doing everything right, and it felt good and healthy, and I wasn't trying to get too shredded, or I wasn't trying to bulk too much, it was just, it felt good. Since going on TRT, and using some peptides, that number actually changed. Now my healthy body fat percentage range sits at about 9%. So it's something else to consider. Whereas before 9% wasn't necessarily healthy,

I'd have to kind of push myself to get there. 9 to 11 for me. Okay, 9 to 11 I think is like the really good sweet spot. So lower and higher than you notice. Yeah, lower and higher and I start to notice bad. I think is like the really good sweet spot. So lower and higher than you notice. Yeah, lower and higher and I start to notice better. And 9-11% I feel phenomenal. And close to those on both ends, I feel pretty damn good too,

as you start to venture further and further from there. So you get sub six percent. Now I'm starting to see my immune systems weak and I feel frail and I'm definitely not. I'm not sleeping the best. My libido starts to dive. Same thing on the other in the spectrum as I start creeping beyond 14, 15%. I start getting closer to 16, 17 north of 15%.

I start to say, libido starts to dive a little bit. Sleep isn't as good. I feel lethargic. And so yeah, 9 to 11 is kind of where I'm at. I know you don't test body fat percentage. I can't feel it higher than you guess. I can feel like 20, 25. Shut up.

I would guess, this is a great example of individual variance. I would guess you're probably your healthiest around 15, 16. Yeah, I would say, 15, 16. You know that that's the number that you see a lot of athletes tend to follow on that, that 15. But there's a shit if I'm lost, I'll be honest with you guys, yeah, if I'm like in the 10 range or whatever,

which I've rarely done, but like it's just, it doesn't feel good at all. Yeah. No, there's a good example, right? The three of us, we're all a little bit different, you and I, Adam are a little more so. Yeah, well, I think that's a perfect example. Like I'm more of an ectomorph,

like I definitely have a body type that is naturally, I was the super skinny lean kid. And so that's like, if I were to just not track calories, not exercise, not do anything, just go by my day, eat when I felt hungry, I wouldn't be this kind of real skinny frail frame. That's kind of my body type and what feels kind of natural to go through.

By the way, and this is another thing, just to mention this individual variance thing, it's probably not true that your genetics put you in this super high body fat percentage and you're like, oh, this is just where I like to sit. There is a variance, but it's within a particular range. And the reason why I'm saying this is you see people talk about like, oh, this is my genetics, you know, I'm a man. I'm at 27% body fat.

No, probably not. That's probably not your genetics. It's probably a lot of lifestyle. I bet if you ate and worked out and did things in a healthy way, you'd probably fall under 20%. Well, there's somebody mentioned lifestyle that we didn't touch on that I think is a factor of our healthiest also. You know, one of the things for me to be sub-9%, even 8%, 7%, For me to be sub 9%, even 8, 7%, it takes a level of sacrifice and discipline in my life that I don't think is the healthiest version of me either.

That I'm so glad you said that, that's a part of health. In order to do that, I kind of have to say no to most all alcohol engagements with family and friends. I'm not eating my ice cream occasionally. I'm not having the dessert, so I'm not the eat out very, like to be sub 8, 9%, I've got to be eating most of my stuff out of my tupperware and, yeah,

I might feel pretty good physically at that leaner body fat percentage, but I don't psychologically and socially. It's a balance. It's not as great either. Like, then I have to, I turn down things that I would not turn down like if I want, like, really wanted to do something with family or friends.

So I think you have to also kind of factor that in, but also have the self-awareness to the point that you're making about being 27% and saying, oh, this is just where my body likes to be. It's like, there's also the other side of like, oh, well, I've drank every weekend for the last five weekends in a row. Like, is that really honest, too?

Yeah, is that really social balance? Or am I now like getting borderline? I can't have a weekend without getting drunk. Like there's, there's, there's an extreme on all levels, right? And so I do feel like when I start getting that lower single-digit body fat percentage, I sacrifice a lot of social events

with family and friends. Next question is from Jason Snurb. If you guys started a strength athletic event, what exercises and rules would you evoke? Oh, so this is a cool question. I know, I feel like you made up that last time. Sorry, I just didn't. We're like 12 sometimes.

I love it. Okay, so this is interesting, because just off the top of my head, if you were to look at strength, when people think strength, they think how much weight you can lift for one rep. But really, strength is a few different things. There's that kind of strength, like maximal strength.

Then there's strength stamina. So the ability to perform with strength repetitively without fatiguing. Functional strength. Well, functional strength would be how it applies to what you're doing. Right, right. And then there's a type of strength that gives you grit. Yeah, like old man, just be able to just persevere.

Yeah, like isometric strength would fall on there, right? Like the ability to hold something or just the kind of workload strength that I guess you would put under grit. So if I put together an athletic event, I think I would want like all three of those because I can think of lots of people that would do good at one of those.

Very few people would do well with all three of them. Well, where would you put, where would you put multi-planar strength to because I think that would have to be in there somewhere. Something, there has to be a movement that challenges you in other than the sagittal plane too. Otherwise, you're missing out on that. I think that could be in,

yeah, I think that could be in all of them almost. But yeah, I mean, you can, you would be like a strength, max strength out of it. Yeah, it would be, like a bent press or a windmill or a movement that, so you could do that for that. That's right, I meant by functional strength.

Yeah, so you could do a maximal strength test with that. You could also do a stamina strength test. So functional, I mean, in terms of multi planar, sorry. Yeah. You could probably put that in almost every category. So like, in other words, the movements themselves, that would be fun to put together. But what I would want to test will be those three things.

You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, maximal, maximal stamina. I would want to put something. I swear you're saying though, you want to make sure that you would test the body's ability, not just in the sagittal plan. That's right, because we already have an lifting event.

We already have an lifting event, that's right, power lifting events already address what you just said right now. But an event where you have something like a Turkish get up, a bent press, something that also says, like, I can move left to right or rotate my body and do it very strong and controlled.

I would want an exercise in there that highlights that. Yeah, because my favorite with that suggestion is the grit portion of it because I just don't feel like that's one of those feats of strength that's very highlighted, you know, very often. You don't see that a lot in terms of like having to hold and then hold your body in position for a certain amount of time that's like, like super demanding and challenging. It's like, it's one of those unsexy type of exercises that like, it's just, it's not popular for reason.

Listen, you know how many people listening right now, how many dads that are listening right now who work out, do curls and dead lifts and bench presses, then they have kids and they hold their two or three year old in their arm. And after about 10 minutes, they're like my arms and a full. I think it's gonna fall off.

That's grit. That's a different kind of strength. And there's, you develop it differently. You train it differently. And it's a type of strength that you're gonna want in the real world. I remember working in restaurants. So I was a 16 year old boy.

I'd already been lifting weights for two years. I'm full of testosterone. I remember working in restaurants. So I was a 16 year old boy. I'd already been lifting weights for two years. I'm full of testosterone. I love working out, whatever. And I remember they were teaching me how to throw the pizza in the air and then how to carry the trays out. And I remember my arm and shoulder getting soaked. It's like, what is it?

A five pound tray, not even. But because I had to walk around and hold it, I didn't have this like this, whatever that is, the isometric strength to do that. Yeah. So I remember as a kid being like oh man I could overhead press so much weight but that little trades made my hand in one of my favorites This is kind of funny. You're mentioning that was on this cruise with my brother and my family

And they were doing like a competition. They had really silly competitions in one that was like About popping like a balloon on somebody's lap and all this is like really weirdly Oh, so it looks like actual If you're but the one that I decided to do was like you had to hold Like these buckets out wide like you're doing a lateral raise and you just had to hold it like that for time You have no leverage right for time and you just see people dropping like just like flies Yeah, and I'm still holding Like veins just exploding everywhere and like I just love that.

And it's like nobody, nobody challenges themselves like that. You know who knew that? The the old wise bronze era strength athletes. Yeah. All of them performed exercises and then feats of strength that would highlight stuff like that. Like we just talked about grit. There was a strong, there was a competitor, not a competitor, I don't know what you call him. He was a bronze era strength athlete, the mighty Adam.

Everybody needed to look this guy up. He would do shit like this where he'd like hold, you know, like cars from driving away or a carriage with a horse or he'd squeeze things together or bend bars like like in they deserve strength performance. Yes. So and the reason why these athletes back then understood all these different versions of strength is because they were displaying strength in an era where everything was physical. Yeah. So it if oh great you can it was relatable. Yes. You

got to make it relatable in a real world. Like If you can do something, I don't know what that is right there that you lifted, but if you lifted a carriage or you held something like, I do stuff like that all the time, oh my God, you could bend a nail with your fingers, I work with nails every day. So they train that way and their physiques reflected, if you look at their bodies, they look like it's carved out of your hands. I think this also highlights a lot of what we try and talk about on the show of why it's important to kind of move in and out of all the different programs that we've written is the ideas that like, if you just stick to the like one type of training, one

modality all the time, you're missing out on so many other aspects of strength. Strength isn't that basic where it's just like, oh, just because you could lift a dumbbell or a barbell up, that's really heavy. It doesn't mean you're strong in all these other aspects. And so moving through all the different programs, especially with what we have planned for the rest of the year, I feel like we've done a pretty good job of, well, I think we've done a good job

of really addressing a lot of those things that we've communicated on the show. And if you, you know, slowly work your way through most of those programs, you hit all those things. This is what we're going to see what we got. Uh huh. Next question is from Ginger Wolf.

How can I convince someone whose primary goal is to lose weight that they should take creatine? That's the same way you convince them to lift weights. So if someone wants to lose weight, why is lifting weights so beneficial? Well, because muscle is very metabolically active, it's calorically expensive. When you build it or you send the signal to build it and fuel your body appropriately, it speeds up your metabolism.

Now you burn more calories all the time on your own, which makes getting lean easier and definitely makes staying lean easier. So how does creatine, uh, fall into that? Creatine helps build muscle. Creatine improves metabolic health. It improves mitochondrial function. Creatine in essence helps you speed up your metabolism. In fact, in fact, I bet you, I don't even know if they've done the study, but I bet simply taking creatine causes the body to burn a little bit more calories on its own, even without anything else

happening. That's probably not a huge effect, but just that you're the fact that your mitochondria has more ATP, I bet you you see a little metabolic boost from creatine. So whether you want to lose your gain weight or even your own. I think the first thing you would have to correct the person that's saying they just want to lose weight,

and it's like, do you want to just lose weight or do you want to lose fat? And if you want to lose fat, then one of the best things that we could possibly do is to build muscle. And if you want to build muscle better and faster, then creatine is a supplement that the supports that. To me, that's like the easy end all, like, but you have to first correct where the premise of the question, right? If someone is saying something like, I just want to lose 10 pounds, why should I take creatine?

Well, it's well, do you just want to lose 10 pounds on the scale? Because if that's not, that's not that hard to do. Starg your body, get on a treadmill, run every single day for three weeks, you'll lose your 10 pounds or cut a leg off, you'll lose 10 pounds. No, what you're saying you want to do is you want to lose 10 pounds of fat. If you want to lose 10 pounds of fat, one of the best, fastest and sustainable ways you can do that is actually speeding your metabolism up and building more muscle. One of the best, if not the best supplement to aid in that, would be creatine. Yeah, I'm trying to look up and see if I can find any studies that support this. This is obviously, I'm doing this while we're on the show.

I'll try and find some, but it helps you build muscle that'll boost some metabolism. But I have a hunch that if you did a study, and I don't know if they've done this already, that you took a bunch of people, have them take creatine, do you know exercise, nothing different, that you would see a metabolic boost from the creatine alone. I bet you would imagine that. I bet you would see. Well, I think you would see just in energy, right,

with somebody who is, if you took 10 people, you know, say, both of them, say 20 people all want to lose body fat, right? 20 people. 10 people take creatine, 10 don't. I think you'll see a difference in performance in the 10 that took it.

Of course. And you get better brain activity, better function of the mitochondria, which all translates to calorie burning. So wellness, all those other attributes like we've brought up to, you know, about, you know, this potential use for well cognitive health and all those things. So yeah, I just think it's one of those types of supplements. It's so well studied that it's probably a good idea.

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