Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2134: The Dangers of Eating Too Much Protein, Why Group Training Classes Usually Suck, How to Work Around Lifts That Hurt & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:00:25 We were talking about fitness, current events, our lives, and much more. By the way, you could check the show notes for timestamps if you wanna skip around to your favorite parts. Also, you wanna be on an episode like this one, email us your question to live at minepumpmedia.com. Now, this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Element.

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Starting point is 00:01:38 August 50 for that discount. All right, here comes a show. All right, look, this is a special announcement. It's true, the aliens are coming, it has been confirmed, you oppose a real, aliens are coming. So why am I saying this? Here's why. When they come here, it's almost likely,

Starting point is 00:01:56 100% likely that they will eat the fat ones first. Get fit, survive the alien invasion. That was a real ad. Stop. What? Well, I waste our time talking about calories and building muscle. What are you made of? Alien beings are here, you guys.

Starting point is 00:02:14 They're going to eat us. You know, you don't want to be the delicious, the delicious. Bro, hands down. The, why are you walking around? The best 24-hour fitness billboard slash ad ever done in the fitness space. A lot of people don't know that. That, they put up an ad, I wanna say,

Starting point is 00:02:31 90s. 98, 99. It's up like that. And it said, when they come, they week the fat ones first and they got protested. Oh, it wasn't saying huge controversy. No, I mean, look, it was hilarious. Look, all serious, this would be serious about this now.

Starting point is 00:02:44 They're probably not real because now the government says they're real Justin. I think now, okay. So listen, over their scent, over our, our little vacation, the little mini vacation that we all took, my friends were obviously talking about this. And I'm like, they're like asking me, I'm like, oh my god, I said, I said, I, I work with two conspiracy theorists and then fucking alien, ancient alien guys already. I was like, I don't need to think about this anymore. They do enough reading and digging for me. And like really, really, this is crazy news,

Starting point is 00:03:11 all this stuff like that. I'm like, listen, now that the government is admitting it and sharing it, I'm more skeptical about what we're not seeing. Exactly. That's how I feel. I'm like, oh, this is so convenient right now. Like, to convene.

Starting point is 00:03:23 Yeah, what else is really going on that all said we're gonna start talking about this right now? They only have so many buttons, you guys. Okay. They've literally gone through every one of the buttons, like bio weapons, you name it dude, everything they've already done. Yeah, the killer was.

Starting point is 00:03:38 That didn't work. What else was gonna scare us? Monkey box didn't work. Super volcano was my thought maybe, but aliens, they decided to go that route. Well, so, okay, so I actually thought you two would actually be all on this. So it's kind of interesting you went this route

Starting point is 00:03:51 because I thought that's, I was gonna be the turd in the punch bowl. No, you know why? Because, okay, think about it logically. If this was real, if they've been visiting us and we know about this and the military has access to this and this is crazy technology and all this stuff and this is huge threat. Let's say it's real.

Starting point is 00:04:08 A, why would they tell us? Why would they tell us? They would never tell us. So if it was real, we wouldn't know. So the fact that they're telling us tells me that there's another reason why. It makes no sense as to why they would even be involved. My speculation is this whole push for the climate changes. It's not alarming people as much as they'd hoped. And so they have to kind of up the ante a little bit and maybe have

Starting point is 00:04:35 it like being voiced from an alien saying, Oh, hey, you guys are really destroying your planet. And you should really consider not going to work and driving your car anymore. So like you ordered our galaxy. Yeah. The fumes are heading out into the game. We're coming. We're going to see a translation like that. It's going to be like a truth like a weird beeping noise.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Well, I mean, look, it's what they're trying to tell us. To put things in perspective, they still keep the file on JFK sealed. The assassination file, they literally, so many attempts have been put out to like release it. Like let us know what's going on. And they again said no, it will compromise national security. We can't let this out. This is how many decades after?

Starting point is 00:05:16 And they're gonna tell us that. Oh yeah, we know about UFOs and non-human entities. By the way, a non-human entity could also be a dog or a monkey or an animal that we put up in a space and that we recovered. So they could also play games with words and stuff, but I don't know. Interesting. I thought you guys would be hook, line, and sinker.

Starting point is 00:05:34 No, plus the mind of a conspiracy theorist is always the opposite. Yes. Is that the truth? No, we just question power all the time because it's a big, it's a big, if everybody gets on board with this, like think about how easily they'll be able to manipulate people to do whatever, like influence people in a certain direction

Starting point is 00:05:56 and come in with like new policies and regulations. And, you know, so I guess my conspiracy is always like, where are they going to use this information? Like, what is this? Why is this like coming out now, you know, when it was withheld for so long and there was so much speculation, long time ago and people like made careers out of trying to disclose all of this X-File information. Yeah, I don't buy it. I didn't buy any of it.

Starting point is 00:06:27 I watched the whole thing and they say a whole bunch of nothing. So there's literally nothing real clear. Dude, plus we have drones now that can project images in the sky. So you don't think they're gonna be able to use that to create like spaceships and things. Have you ever read about scary?

Starting point is 00:06:43 You know Project Bluebeam, have you read that? No. So apparently it was just like this plan that was like somebody leak and what they were going to do is fake an alien invasion and then project into the sky religious figures and try to create a new world religion to organize the world around this united mission and then they could do like a worldwide digital currency

Starting point is 00:07:07 and the whole deal. And that's an old deck in the 70s. I think if I'm not mistaken, when that was first. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. I know, right? Project Bluebeam. I don't even know that was the...

Starting point is 00:07:17 Look it up. Not Project Blueball. That's a different one. Project Bluebeam. Anyway, so I'm more... So, okay, since we went down this, kids' Pharisee Hall, right? Which a small percentage of audience enjoys I am fascinated with or curious about the

Starting point is 00:07:32 How convenient it is for Hollywood to be on strike when the you know sound of freedom is like oh Bust and ass in the in the box office and yeah conveniently all the Hollywood actors decided to take strike and and not show up to work all I can't I can't watch that movie by the way I read about it I can't watch it I already lost it but tickets and didn't go watch it because I just want to support it I lost I lost I did you really that's a great idea yeah I lost sleep over reading about do. I'll do that. Cause dude, yeah, you don't want to say anything. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:08:08 That stuff's like too real to me, you know, to like, I'll take it in and sit there and like be entertained. So I heard one of the best parts and the most powerful things, I think is actually the ending is where I heard it's out where they just start listing all the stats. And that's the part I think that's so interesting about the, some of the outlets that were painting it as this like right wing conspiracy theory type of thing. When it's like, dude, it literally is just,

Starting point is 00:08:33 these are all legit facts that they post at the end of like the stats. This is a real person in their portraying his story. Well, and did you see what Tim Kennedy came out when he talked about it? And he says, as powerful and as real as it's the, what he, I forget what analogy or what metaphor he used to, like, it's basically like the, this is a very soft version of the reality.

Starting point is 00:08:57 Yeah, right. This is an example of cases that were solved or found or that we know about. He goes, the stuff that we don't see and we don't find is far more worse than what you see. I can't handle it. And you just gotta ask yourself, where's the motivation with trying to suppress or basically pin that to some other like, it's Q and on or whatever else they're trying to kind of

Starting point is 00:09:22 like deflect that information. Why are they trying to deflect this real information that's coming out that there's all of this sex traffic rings and it's tied to very powerful people in the world. It's like, did you hear about the reporter, who was a reporter who wrote this huge article about how Pizza Gate, remember all those emails and stuff? Oh yeah, he ends up getting caught with a bunch of child pornography. Yeah, yeah, I know. Can I, you know, I'm gonna say,

Starting point is 00:09:50 and did you know in California, I think they made it not a felony. Yeah. Yeah, till all parents, everybody else rallied and protested and then finally like they reversed that. Listen, it took a whole community of outrage. You heard a kid that we should have the worst punishment.

Starting point is 00:10:10 I've any crime. I mean, that's how it is in prison. I mean, that's the unsaid code in prison. If you're somebody who does something to kids and you come in prison, you get a fucking dog. You destroy. You do anything else you come into prison for and be able to get along with people that way.

Starting point is 00:10:23 You fuck with kids and you come in the prison like that. You get messed up. That's why I can't watch it, man. It gives me nightmares because I read about it. I made the mistake of reading about it. And it's worse. There's stuff that happens that's so bad. I don't even want to repeat it because literally I couldn't sleep.

Starting point is 00:10:38 Yeah. On some of the stuff that I read. But anyway, I like the idea though. So I'm going to do that. I think that's what I was like. You know what? I really should go to support them. I'm going to like time too. I'm like torn and like, oh god, I don't know if I need, but anyway. All right, I like the idea though, so I'm gonna do that. I think that's a good idea. I was like, you know what, I really should go, you're supportive.

Starting point is 00:10:45 I'm gonna buy time too. I'm like, torn, like, oh God, I don't know if I need to see that, like, you know. Right. So, but I do like the idea. Yeah, I've been following Tim Ballard for a long time, man, I love that he, you know, was on the front line for all that

Starting point is 00:10:56 and like putting information on us. So it's been years, you know, before this movie or anything came out, like I was aware of a lot of the effort. Does he bought it and then failed to release it? Well, five years was sitting there. Yeah, yeah. They bought it and they it in the field to release it? Well, five years it was sitting there. They bought it and they didn't want to release it. That's so weird. I know, dude.

Starting point is 00:11:09 Oh, all right. I got to switch gears to fitness here for a second. I've talked about this before and the amount of messages that I've gotten in regard to this advice that I've given a couple of times in the show, it's probably one of the most commented on like fitness tips that I've had. And of times in the show, it's probably one of the most commented on like fitness tips that I've had. And it's the sound silly.

Starting point is 00:11:28 So people watching listening right now, if you haven't done this, I'm telling you, it's a game changer. It is the having sodium or using element or one of our partners products before and during your workouts for a better pump. The messages I'm getting are, people are messaging me and being like, bro,

Starting point is 00:11:46 you saved me so much money on pre-workout pump form. And they're like, I did element and I had the most insane intense pump. I've had it my entire life just from adding this to my water. I didn't know sodium could totally do that. I remember when I was, this was long after I'd been a trainer already 10, 15 years, tried every single pump formula that was out there, and finally making the connection

Starting point is 00:12:09 of just water. And then water and sodium together was like, yeah. It's like it literally shits on any of the coolest scientific products that are out there that are in the market is literally just water loading with sodium. It will blow your muscle up. It's more than any of these, which is so funny.

Starting point is 00:12:28 You know what I'm saying, salt water. You know what, cheap, cheap and easy. We also, I also got a message from a woman. We had somebody, we had a live Q&A and somebody had talked about how they had headaches. And I said, you know, what kind of diet are you on? It's like a whole natural based kind of low carb. I said, you need to increase your sodium,

Starting point is 00:12:46 see if that helps. Anyway, I've gotten also several messages from two, it was two from women, one from a guy who had kind of these like headaches that would reoccur. The like dude, I added the element or sodium to my diet, my headaches are gone. Right. Like I can't even believe, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:02 so it's such, it's an essential compound. I can't even believe, you know. But it's such an essential compound. And if you eat a diet that is quote unquote clean, meaning most of the food you eat is not processed. You probably need to add sodium to your diet, especially if you work out. Literally. Well, I think that's the reason why it's not communicated enough because that's not the majority of people.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Majority people eat a very high-processed food. They get loads of sodium in their diet already. But the audience that we speak to are mostly people that are trying to make better choices that we continue to pitch to them the importance of avoiding processed foods and eating whole natural foods. But then you have this information that you don't hear in like everywhere else, which is you need to increase your sodium. Because of that, you're dramatically reduced.

Starting point is 00:13:48 There's got to be something to be said too about the person who's been on a highly processed diet, very, very high sodium diet for most of life, and then also goes to, because there's like normal levels, then there's like super high levels of high, like lots of processed foods, and then there has to be something to do with the body adapting to those new high levels and then

Starting point is 00:14:08 going to an extreme. Sometimes people will go off heavily processed foods, eat lots of whole natural foods and have headaches. Yeah. That's actually not uncommon. And what we used to say, which I hate because we were wrong, was, oh, it's your body detox. It was that. It was. It was. So if you've been listening for a long time you you heard me talk about this and I Remember the way I solved it was this was long before we were we've working with element. I was Dill pickles and it was like magic. I said and I would get like I might headache would go away And so I'd be like what the hell is going on? I eat this I eat this pickle and then I'll send my Don't you remember we told us in the podcast? I know that, but you didn't know it was a sodium?

Starting point is 00:14:45 No, I didn't know that's, oh, no, I knew what to eat to pick. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like that, oh, it must be my sodium. You're like, you're all pickles. Yeah, it's gotta be so good to pick. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:54 Yeah, dude, I'll run into like random friends where that's like a trend right now is like, they're in health space, they're promoting like to eat like pickles like that. It's for the sodium. Yeah, they're not even attributed to sodium. They're trying to make pickles like that. It's for the sodium for the sodium. Yeah, they're not even attributed to sodium. They're trying to make it like the next goji berry.

Starting point is 00:15:08 You know, it's like, does all these magical things. By the way, I love pickles, they're delicious. Yeah, it's the sodium. Cicodium, that's what else is it? That's why I would use that to load in when competing. So, Marit told you guys, I would push sodium levels up high and then when I would cut down to, you know, quote unquote low, it would be good, still healthy range

Starting point is 00:15:26 because I had pushed the sodium so high. One of the ways I do that would be adding these those two large dill pickles today was like, and when you're on a diet and you're eating all whole foods, it's nice to get like something that actually, I'm eating this versus just drinking. That's right. All right, so did you guys see the new world record

Starting point is 00:15:44 for in equipped bench press? Did you guys see this? world record for in-equipped bench press? Do you guys see this? I gotta send this to Doug. So equipped. So equipped is like. There's like, where the bench shirt is. Yeah, so it's bench shirt. I think it's unlimited.

Starting point is 00:15:55 Meaning. The record was around a thousand pounds before, right? Well, so I think it's unlimited, meaning you could wear, you know, two bench shirts or, I'm not quite sure, but did you guys see what the... I'm kind of like, I just pull it up on the... I just... I just... I just used to be like a thousand, right?

Starting point is 00:16:10 Somewhere on there? I believe so. I believe so. I think you're around a thousand. This is insane. Look at the number of this guy's bench presses. Oh my God. I already see it.

Starting point is 00:16:20 Yeah, you see what it... So, and I want to show you guys because let's talk about what he's using, the bench shirt and how big of a difference it's been. Oh my God, dude. Look at this. Okay, a 1,400 pound bench press. Jesus Christ, bro. 1,400 pound bench press.

Starting point is 00:16:44 Now, he's equipped, meaning he's wearing bench shirt and all that stuff. And you can see if you watch the video, oh my God. How he's having to stand because the bench shirt has got his arms stuck in his position. But I can even get that shirt off.

Starting point is 00:16:59 But like, okay, so how familiar are you with guys with bench shirts and equipment? How much they can help you left? Oh, huge. Yeah, huge. So, yeah, but, okay, so how familiar are you with guys with bench shirts and equipment? How much they can help you left? Oh, huge. Yeah, huge. So, yeah, but, okay, so how much is it gonna lift from three-air pounds? Oh, no, it's not that huge of difference. No, no, it is.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Three hundred pounds. Oh, it's an extra pounds. Oh, by wearing a bench shirt. Do you know that some lifters? I knew it was like, it probably. Do you know that sometimes? I was like, 50 to 100. No, no, not much, huh? Yeah, when they wear these crazy ones where it's unlimited, do you know that sometimes? I was like 50 to 100. No, not much, huh?

Starting point is 00:17:26 Yeah, when they were these crazy ones, where it's unlimited, do you know that some of these guys will get under the bar to bench, wearing a bench shirt for the first time and can't get the bar to their chest? Well, he didn't get his chest right there. He did. No, he didn't. Yeah, that's what's the video.

Starting point is 00:17:40 No, no, he touched his chest. No, he didn't. He did not touch it. Was that, that was an official lift. Well, I mean, he didn't touch his chest. I just watched it. Oh, no, he touched his chest. No, he didn't he did not touch it. That's what was that that was an official lift. Well I mean, he didn't touch his chest. I just watched it. Oh, it's just the fun lift. Yes, bro watch he he he drops it down And it does not get all the way to his chest watch the bar. I was watching it. Why you think he barely touches it? No, no, no watch watch watch watch He's built the best. Yeah, I know Just certain guys you know, I just watch it. Yeah. Hold on, hold on.

Starting point is 00:18:05 Their arms are just this long. Doug has the best view. Watch really close to you, Doug. Big barrel. It does not get to his chest. It gets close. No, I think he touches, dude. No.

Starting point is 00:18:14 Here we go. Down. Watch. Let's see. Let's see. I mean, he gets lift. Watch, watch, watch, watch, watch. Doesn't touch, doesn't touch, doesn't touch, doesn't touch.

Starting point is 00:18:22 Doesn't touch, never touch. No. There's a gap. That looks like a gap. It is? Yeah. I just watched it. Oh, well, watch, watch. Doesn't touch, doesn't touch, doesn't touch, doesn't touch. Doesn't touch, never touched. No. There's a gap. That looks like a gap. It is. I just watched it. Oh, well, that doesn't count. But I mean, that highlights your point though

Starting point is 00:18:32 that it was probably so tight. That was as far down as it was gonna go. Yeah, I think they, I'm, you're looking at it. But even if it added 400 pounds, 500 pounds, holy cow. I mean, yeah, none the less it's still. I mean, that would rip my shoulders off just a grab. So I've read articles with some of these guys where they lift just ungodly weight

Starting point is 00:18:51 and they describe what it feels like and they say it feels like your bones wanna break. Yeah, like where you're holding the weight and you feel like your bones are bending from just the weight that's on. Isn't that crazy? Right. That is insane.

Starting point is 00:19:05 The potential weakness. I mean, that could be super designed. But I do want to say this, when you look at world champion bench pressers, okay? Just to kind of highlight how less of a functional exercise of bench press is over a squatted deadlift. Yeah. Look at the kind of leverage that produces that weight in the sense of how the guys built. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, big barrel chest like that. He's not much you could do but bench. Yeah. That's what you do all day long. Is it just your bench press? Throw a baseball. Yeah, you can't do much. Yeah, it's not. On that path, there was an article that was written on strength training

Starting point is 00:19:48 for hypertrophy versus strength training for strength versus strength training for hypertrophy. So the title, it's a systematic review, it's resistance training prescription for muscle strength and hypertrophy. And it's trying to see what the difference is. How do you strength train for strength versus how do you strength train for hypertrophy? And what are the main factor that decides whether or not you get more strength versus more hypertrophy vice versa?

Starting point is 00:20:20 And what they found is, first off, this is the conclusion. All, essentially, all prescriptions, in other words, all studies with strength training promoted strength and hypertrophy compared to no exercise. The highest ranked prescriptions for strength involved higher loads, okay? Obviously, whereas the highest ranked prescriptions for hypertrophy included multiple sets.

Starting point is 00:20:42 So it's more about volume for hypertrophy and more about load for strength. Which kind of, you know. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. You're one rep max versus your, you know, superset, body pump, you know, like type of exercises for sure.

Starting point is 00:20:58 I mean, I, I even, I wish we had a way to measure or study. There's so much crossover though, right? Yeah, because I mean, I remember, and we've talked about this several times we had a way to measure or study. There's so much crossover though, right? That's a good show. Because I mean, I remember, and we've talked about this several times on the show, there's definitely a very clear difference when I had built a physique around like primarily training for hypertrophy. So lots of you said, yeah, versus lifting really heavy. I avoided that for most of my, my, my, lifting career and was this hypertrophy bodybuilder type

Starting point is 00:21:29 of routine rarely ever lifted below five reps, rarely ever. I mean, I used to talk to people like, why would I max out? I don't know, why would I ever, like, what's your amount? I don't know what my max is. I never max out. He didn't do that for years.

Starting point is 00:21:40 What was your line when I, when I, when I, when I was with a girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I took my shirt off. Yeah, that was my first match at bench press. You know the same. Have they ever asked? Yeah, yeah, take my shirt off. Yeah, it goes over. I'm asking how should I bench press? No, say have they ever asked you that when you take your shirt off? No, so it doesn't matter. Right. So honestly, like that was like my philosophy. Now, what

Starting point is 00:21:53 was cool about that was that I made that shift to training more strength. And I could see such a dramatic shift in my in my physique and it's a different look. You get a different look. It's a different look and a different feel for me. I prefer the feel and look I get from strength training, from heavy strength training than I get from like bodybuilding style training. Now it's not as,

Starting point is 00:22:17 it's not as forgiving on my joints and all that stuff. So as I get older, I have to do less of it. Yeah. But the feel I have, I'd rather not have as much get older, I have to do less of it. Yeah. But the feel I have, I'd rather not have as much fullness, but it makes me feel like heart. Like my body feels so solid and hard. I like the way that feels versus the...

Starting point is 00:22:33 Yeah, I feel like I'm more powerful. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, but it's not sustainable. There's no way like longevity while... No. You have to supplement with hypertrophy training and consider just like what kind of wear and tear that's gonna put on on the joints.

Starting point is 00:22:50 So it just adds up. In a perfect world, so if I could go back and do it all over again, like my journey, I would have been a strength focused person early and then become bodybuilder guy afterwards. Yeah, because that would have laid the foundation. What I recognized with the heavy lifting and kind of to the point you're making is that

Starting point is 00:23:06 even when I wasn't aired up, I looked muscular. My problem in my early 20s when I was hypertrophy training all the time, I looked good aired up. In the gym, I'd have this bubbly body builder kind of look and then two hours later I would feel like I deflate and I would look, I wouldn't look that muscular where when I started getting stronger

Starting point is 00:23:27 and lifting heavier load, right? And training more like a power lifter, I didn't look as bubbly and impressive in the gym, but the muscle that I did build seemed to stay on me, it felt like it was there all day long and I looked more muscular even when I wasn't aired up. So. The challenge, just to be clear,

Starting point is 00:23:43 the challenge with heavy strength training is not that it's heavy strength training. It's that at some point when you push your body to hitting higher and higher numbers, the risk versus reward ratio starts to become unfavorable. So like if you're just getting started and you're 45 years old, you're 55 years old, so long as you have good form, you should focus on strength.

Starting point is 00:24:05 Everybody should focus on good strength. Of course, the caveat being good form, good mobility, like appropriate, okay? If you've been training for 10 years and you've got really good, impressive lifts for someone like yourself, then in other words, me adding 10 more pounds to my deadlift, the risk that I'm gonna take doing that

Starting point is 00:24:25 is not even close to worth any reward. You get barely any from it, because you've already... Even if I had a 50 pounds to my deadlift, it wouldn't have already maxed out most of your potential. It's not gonna give me that much. And the risk that I embark on going for that pursuit, it's just silly. By the way, I also think that this is the case

Starting point is 00:24:46 that this, you know, movement in our space makes for the, you know, oh, you don't need to do squatting and deadlift. Right. And so like that. Because they use those extreme examples. That's exactly. And they're coming from a place where they train that way for already decades of their life.

Starting point is 00:24:59 And so it's like, oh yeah, okay, well that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? You've built a solid foundation on those principles, on those lifts. You've now learned as you've gotten older that, oh, now the reward isn't quite there that it was when I was 20 and first getting into this lift or lifting like this.

Starting point is 00:25:14 So now it is probably more beneficial to do a lot of this, you know, unilateral work, dumbbell work, more pumping bodybuilder type routines. Like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it does. And I mean, like even now with my training now, and I still, like, this is again, it's a work in progress because I love the feeling of lifting heavy. I love the challenge.

Starting point is 00:25:34 It's just, it's an ego thing. Okay, so I totally get it. And I still struggle with it because I still like to train this way. I still like to lift heavy load, but I know that there's nagging stuff that I've probably, well, I've definitely caused that is just gonna keep getting worse. I have my left hip and my left ankle and I have a little shoulder stuff that pops up

Starting point is 00:25:56 and it's like, okay, should I keep working out this way? I wish I could train myself the way I would train someone else sometimes. But it's just, I enjoy it. But again, if you're just getting started, going to get stronger is your best bet, period and a story. It's when you finally do get really strong that the risk versus reward ratio starts to be messed up in which case then bodybuilding.

Starting point is 00:26:18 So if someone were to say, well, how are you going to train for the rest of your lifestyle? Or what my answer would be, well, ideally, it's going to look like a combination of mobility and bodybuilding with very little heavy strength. You want to build that base, that foundation of real strength to pull from, but to sustain that long term, you're going to have to supplement that with these other methods, especially hypertrophy training. Yeah. To make, because it's less risky on the joint.

Starting point is 00:26:42 What's cool, though, like what I would consider moderate to light strength training today would be my heaviest in my early, so that's what's great about it. So it's still lifting. It's all relative. So it's like, you know, like, okay, I'm not dead lifting 500 pounds, but I'm pulling three. Or like a light day squatting is moving to 25 for me now.

Starting point is 00:27:03 Well, that was like, I couldn't even max that in my mid 20s, right? So it's all relative to where you what from laying that foundation like of where you're currently at. Like that's a little risk for me. All right. So I got a statistic I wanted to show you guys. I have some stats. Okay, but this one's stats. This one's out of fitness. This is not fitness too. The other guy. You guys. This is already covered what I wanted to cover. The very beginning. I can't look at this. I'm a tune out. I'm gonna sound like I told you guys.

Starting point is 00:27:33 I know, you guys. Oh, you guys sound. Listen, this is wild. And I thought a lot about this. And I came up with some of my own theories completely invented. Okay. I'd love your guys' speculation though.

Starting point is 00:27:45 I'm curious. So here's the data. So these are two charts, Doug. I'm going to send these to you so that you can maybe put them up on the screen there for everybody. But there's two charts. This is, these are the political preferences of 12th graders today versus how they were all the way back as far as 1975.

Starting point is 00:28:08 Okay, so political identities. Oh, no, no, no, go back to the other one Doug, kind of ruined everything, but whatever. Oh, well, you just, you can't see the answers. You have to, you have to, you have to test the first. We know where this is going. Yeah, it's okay. So scroll, go to the first picture that I sent. Oh, the graph could mean, yeah. Okay, now scroll to go to the first picture that I sent

Starting point is 00:28:29 The graph could mean yeah, okay now scroll that was it okay, so look This is the political identities of 12th grade boys now Maybe if you could scroll down Doug so they could see the years. Yeah, what is that? Okay, so 1975 all the way on the left and then right around 2016ish this huge insane split That we've never seen before or we haven't seen since this graph was you know, this is now. Wow, interesting. 12th grade boys. Great boys. Gradically shifted to becoming far more conservative and far less liberal. Yeah. So a midge, so you're looking at now what this obviously isn't showing

Starting point is 00:29:05 is that a majority of boys are somewhere in the middle. But the ones that identify liberal and conservative huge drop and now it's almost, it's down to like 12% identify as liberal and it's as high as what is that 23, 23 ish percent, 24% that identify as conservative. So 12th grade boys today. Where's the benefit for boys to identify that? Well, I mean, I actually don't know.

Starting point is 00:29:27 I don't think this is surprising at all. Well, not yet, not yet. Yeah, not yet. Because now I'm gonna show you the next graph. Okay. The next one is 12th grade girls. They had an equally impressive split in the opposite direction.

Starting point is 00:29:39 Of course. I think this is all admirable. Girls identifying as conservative went down, didn't go down massively where they've been historically, but becoming liberal or identifying is liberal exploded for 12th grade girls. So 12th grade girls went through the roof of becoming more liberal and 12th grade boys

Starting point is 00:29:57 went the opposite direction. The messaging from both parties could put the opposite way appeals to the different gender. So now, well, so, okay, so let's talk about that. So when I look at the messaging towards kids, it all is liberal. There's very little conservative messaging towards kids. Yeah, and I think it's more likely to push back. I don't think it's more likely, guys are more likely to push back as much as it is, that

Starting point is 00:30:23 messaging resonates more with women than it resonates with men. Yeah, it's about being sensitive It's about it's like it just it isn't about conquering winning like it's not about that It's about everybody wins and we should we should all love each other and be more doesn't it rest more more feminine energy is coming from The messaging and so and of course so of course a lot of women are gonna be like yeah, I like that Yeah, I like the sounds and some guys you're being I don't know that sounds kind of weak well I was thinking about it So that's part of it that I was thinking the other part of it is a lot of the messaging especially since with this started Which is right around 2015 2016? That's when it started to become this whole like being masculine is talking

Starting point is 00:31:00 Pageral evil patriarchy is you know manner of the reason why we have all these problems, you know, man or bad, this and so, and that has made boys go in the opposite direction. Of course. Of course. You know? So obvious. Now, what does this mean for like dating? Really?

Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah. You're like, what's going to happen? You know what happens in a happy way? Well, maybe a lot of dudes that are going to lie. The positive part, yeah. That's what's going to happen. A lot of cuddle stuff. Yeah. Like, what's gonna happen? You know what I think's gonna happen? Well, maybe a lot of dudes that are gonna lie. Depositivaparri, 100%. That's what's gonna happen.

Starting point is 00:31:29 A lot of cuddle fish out there. Coming in. I mean, the deposit part though, you still said that probably a majority still would identify in the middle. Yeah. So this is really the only extreme. So we're looking at the extreme ends here.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Yeah. So most people are gonna probably be fine with dating because I think most people would are more in the middle. Yeah. because I think most people would are more in the middle And although there are some people that are like I would never date this opposite Now here's my other the other thing and although this didn't really happen in 2016 because that's when we see this huge divergence But kids are just more aware of Political shit now because everything's so political. Yeah. You know, when you were in high school,

Starting point is 00:32:05 did you ever think about politics? And I'll never. No, I think a real easy explanation is that that has become way more popular to kids, like to hearing about that stuff with social media and the messaging from the liberal side has more feminine energy around it. And the messaging around the conservi-ci was more masculine energy around it and the messaging around the conservative side

Starting point is 00:32:25 I was more masculine energy around it therefore it attracts Some other people have because I've been reading a poem is this is coming out. It's making his waves right I've been reading people's commentary on it and there's some other interesting things that we we need to consider as well boys In this eight now both boys and girls in this age group are rebellious this is a rebellious stage, okay? both boys and girls in this age group are rebellious. This is a rebellious stage. Okay. But guys are the more,

Starting point is 00:32:48 if they're gonna be more rebellious against, if anyone's gonna be more rebellious against what's going on, it's gonna be young men. Young men are the more like kind of wild-difficent. Whereas girls also in this age group tend to be rebellious, everybody has, but they're more likely to conform and to kind of go along with what everybody else is doing. And this is because girls are far more sensitive

Starting point is 00:33:10 to being just socially aware, social cues. It's not a bad thing, by the way, like you need this, right? Like for example, as a stainless study where they just show eyes, and you have to guess the person's emotion and guys are terrible at it and girls crush it because we just don't read shit naturally like women do. It's a skill, but the part of the weakness of that

Starting point is 00:33:31 is you're more susceptible to like social contagions and stuff like that. Yeah, so like when you watch old rock video, like old rock actors. You have to explain evolutionary why that was advantageous because they, they girl women built the village. That's right.

Starting point is 00:33:46 Man built society. So it was important that you, you helped keep the village together in the same ideology and working together. Yeah. So it makes sense that they would be better at conforming with the group and getting everybody on the same page versus being defiant and being like, no, I'm going to be different.

Starting point is 00:34:03 I don't want both Both need each other. Correct. And that's the real frustrating part of this whole thing. It's like, we're different. But also we need each other. So we have to figure out how to make it work. That's the balance. Yeah, because if you're to the weakness with the male side

Starting point is 00:34:17 is you're not reading people, the empathy is in there and it becomes really about conquer and create and achieve or push this goal and it becomes insensitive and all that stuff. The weakness with the feminine side is the social contagion aspect of it. You ever watch rock concerts in the past and you see the girls in the audience, they all scream and pass out and they all freak out together at social contagion. It's literally, in all of this experience as to the concert,

Starting point is 00:34:47 you get caught up in the energy, but usually dudes aren't passing out and freaking out. The girls tend to, I was just watched Elvis again, a great movie by the way, I was watching the plane back and they should, like the first time he did any kind of gyration with his hip

Starting point is 00:35:04 and then these women didn't know what was happening. Like it's just they just started to kind of like get a twitch and then all of a sudden like losing it and screaming and it's like like to me. It's so interesting and bizarre to me. By the way, oh that is. Yeah, I don't think that's bizarre at all. I think that we were we were so collectively conservative with everything, right? And like you just closed, was conservative, messaging was,

Starting point is 00:35:30 like there was a different time back then. And that, in that time, that would be like us being teenage boys and a girl walking out naked and shaking her tits out in front of all of us, like, never have seen them. That's how, no. Yes, no. No, no, no. Yes, well, I love what I would say. Guys are just thinking of guys comparing to now's time. like never have seen that that's how no yes, but a percent yes

Starting point is 00:35:51 I would guys are just seeing a guy's comparing to comparing to now's time that would not be that weird in All the guys in the audience would act very different. They'd be very quiet and creepy. It wouldn't be like yeah They would just stop it. They'd be talking to conversation They'd be like oh, and it'd be very uncomfortable. Yeah, they would totally be a full-of-cool I'm not saying that the guys would react to him as a girls I'm saying that the reaction that the girls had is strong. Is, yeah. Yeah, is normal to that. Like because of like how outrageous that was back then

Starting point is 00:36:14 and how sexual that was. Like, now that's like not sexual at all. It's like everybody dances like that and it's very, but to that sort of, I agree that gave the analogy if that's like someone walking on stage and just be naked and starting to be like, whoa, like you blow your mind. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:27 By the way, by the way, I just to balance this out, every man can be also susceptible to social contagions and it tends to, with men, look like riots and violence. And this is where you get that mob kind of mentality. So it can be in a different direction. I'm not a great one. Well, this isn't the same thing, but it's somewhat similar. So there was this study conducted where it was a facial

Starting point is 00:36:51 disfigurement. Basically, they were looking to see if there's discrimination in the workplace, right? And so they basically took a group of women and with makeup and then they put like scars on their face with the makeup on the women face with the makeup. On the women. On the women.

Starting point is 00:37:07 On the women, they were gonna go in for a job interview. So they're supposed to write notes and see like if they noticed any kind of like actual discrimination based on like how they're perceiving like this person interviewing them and what kind of cues they were getting from them. Oh, okay, speculated? Yeah, so wait, but okay.

Starting point is 00:37:23 You wanna speculate before I tell you what happened. Well, don't tell me the answer. I don't want to hear the answer. I want to talk. Well, I got to take the last bit of okay information. You still give us the answer. No, so they were going, they were going to go into these interviews, but they first stopped them,

Starting point is 00:37:39 oh, I need to do one last minute touch up on your makeup. And so what they did is they did the touch up, but they actually took the scar off. So the women had no scar. So the women didn't know what the scar was there. Oh, interesting. And then they had to report if they felt discriminating against. Interesting. Now, now what do you think? Oh, that's a great. Okay. So I totally think that the women acted different because they were insecure and believed they had the scar on there. And therefore they felt like they are being discriminated against exactly true exactly what happened of course I never said it then they and it was like in excess of discrimination like like full

Starting point is 00:38:12 because it's well-keying looking for it or you think you perceive that right and what that also highlights to the power of just having self confidence to like let's say you did have this car but you confidence fuck I don't give fuck, I own it. Right. I am who I am. Or how about in the reverse, the victim mentality? That's what often gets promoted. Well, that's what I expect. I like that. Where you are a victim, how powerful is that?

Starting point is 00:38:32 Now every encounter, every encounter, all of society, every commercial, every advertisement, is oh my God, it's against me. It's because of this, it's because of who I am or what I worship or who I have sex with or whatever now becomes that. Just goes to show you, you know, when you have this perception, you see what you want to see essentially or you perceive things in a different way. I mean, it's a power of the mind. I mean, that's what I've talked about the book, how

Starting point is 00:38:58 emotions are made. It gets into that. I think that's a really powerful thing for people to understand that we all are susceptible to that. If you've seen something as a pattern in your life, it's very hard to break that pattern. It's the default pattern in your brain. So, catch yourself in those moments and be like, is this logical? Just because I've seen that three out of four times, is that mean that's for sure what's going on here? That's why it's so frustrating frustrating as if you see the same messaging

Starting point is 00:39:27 continuously. And it's like, we haven't tried the opposite approach. You know, to me, it's just like, if we're, if we're just going to keep messaging all the wrong and all the negative, like, that's literally all we're going to see and we're going to stay here. Yeah. I remember, who's that speaker? I can't remember his name.

Starting point is 00:39:43 He was, he's horribly disfigured from a fire when he was a kid. Remember John, I forgot his name. Oh, they shot a little Mary. Yeah, and he talked about how his mom had a freaking piano. He lost his fingers. He's gonna learn how to play a piano. But his mom essentially like taught him like life's gonna be hard. So what? Yeah, this issue it before, and it transformed him. You imagine if she treated him, like poor kid, we got to do everything for you. Which I would understand too, you know, the kid was covered in burns, but that would have made things work.

Starting point is 00:40:12 Well, that's what makes that story so powerful. There was anybody who, we get a pass for acting that way, right? Exactly, being a victim, being someone like that, but because they chose the opposite path and look how much that ended up. Along those lines, I saw this on social media. This woman is, by the way, I know social media amplifies crazy stuff precisely because it's crazy. So I'm starting to, starting to kind of realize this is not like,

Starting point is 00:40:35 perhaps as big of a new reality. Yeah, but anyway, this is this woman and she's obese. And she says, obese people are fat. They're bodybuilders. Oh, I saw that clip that's going viral. Just like bodybuilders. That's how it's going to be. They should be celebrating the same way because they're building their bodies. Technically, she's correct. It's technically, here's why.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Well, then she went on to say why they're not celebrating. It's because we're fat phobic and so on. No, no, no, here's why. Here's why. It's easy to get fat. It's hard to get muscular. That's all. It doesn't take hard work. I don't look at it.

Starting point is 00:41:13 So nobody looks at someone's obese and like, man, you really put in. You put it some hard work to get like that. That's impressive. Everyone's like, yeah, you didn't do anything. That's what happened. That's why it's that way. I totally think stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:41:25 that goes viral just because it's outlandish. I don't think that's how most people think. I think it's ridiculous. I have some stats and numbers for you. I've been wanting, we've been on vacation and so we haven't had a chance to talk and we'll just do it on air because we haven't done an off air.

Starting point is 00:41:38 I have been curious, Sal, especially you because I know you're more into the economy stuff. What you think about, one, the fed raising the rates, two, like your thoughts on what's happening currently in the housing market and where we're going, stuff like that, and then I'll read you guys some stats. So what are your thoughts? They're saying economy still do, it looks like it's recovering, it's doing great.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Let's raise rates a little bit, but I keep reading about layoffs, I keep hearing about Let's raise rates a little bit, but I keep reading about layoffs. I keep hearing about companies that are going bankrupt and stuff like that. So I don't know if this has been. It feels kind of like spending me. Housing markets, interesting because the last time I looked, it was a sizeable percentage of people who own their homes and they had such low interest for them to. So I have those stats for you. Okay, it makes no sense for them to... So this is the part that's... This is what I'm not going to leave, basically. This is what's propping the housing market up right now.

Starting point is 00:42:30 So we've been in a housing shortage for like a decade now, and this last year still is like that. So most places are, you know, 50% less of what they normally have. And so you just supply and demand, basically, that we don't have a lot of supply. Therefore, the low supply is still keeping the housing market afloat, because there is still, even though it's a small demand, with that small of a supply,

Starting point is 00:42:54 it's keeping the house prices brought up. Now, granted, there have been areas where we've seen a dip. We've seen a dip out in the trucky place. I think we lost 20% in the last year, year and a half on that property, but that property gained 150% in the previous. So it's still way, way above where it was, right? So you're seeing this in some areas,

Starting point is 00:43:14 some areas you're still seeing it going up. And the stats that you're alluding to is why we are not gonna see this big crash. Because in order for the big crash, we'd have to see a massive flood of inventory come in. Yeah, but the houses for sale. Yeah, in addition to the inability to buy and stuff like that, there's a lower demand.

Starting point is 00:43:33 And in addition to that, we have a huge amount of supply. Boom, prices, and so then you see a huge crash like that. And so listen to this stat, that's I think is really crazy. So right now, like- What's it like 61% where it's crazy? Dude, it's crazy in that. Okay, so if you were crazy. So right now, like, it's 61%? We're gonna do it's crazy. Okay.

Starting point is 00:43:46 So if you were to go by right now in a 30 year fix with good credit, you're looking at like 7.5% interest. That's what the interest rates are with good, really good credit, right? So right now, they're 92% of Americans have a mortgage below 6%. Yeah. 92%. Yeah. Wow. of Americans have a mortgage below 6% 92% below 6. 61% are below 4% that's the number of three points something we may never see that again. Why would they sell their house? Yeah, why would you? If they sell they can sell their house go buy one for cheaper pay

Starting point is 00:44:20 the higher interest rate and have a higher mortgage. Yeah. That's why nobody's, it's not gonna happen. And then 23% have a mortgage below 3%. Yeah. So it's like, you should show the numbers, Adam, on like a mortgage, like a $500,000 mortgage. Do you have a calculator? Mortgage calculator?

Starting point is 00:44:36 I don't have one on that. Oh, I think I have one here that we could. But what do you, you wanted to compare like if somebody had a $500,000 house? So $500,000, I'm gonna try this. And they go to upgrade their house and then get into a different loan, is that what you're gonna say?

Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah, I know, you would, it's, it's so $500,000, let's see, $500,000 loan, 30 year, at 7.5%, right? That means your monthly payment is gonna be $3,500. So that's not including taxes. That's just your mortgage. A $400,000 loan, so $100,000 difference,

Starting point is 00:45:14 what did it say was most people were at below what? Below 4%. No below 6%. Below 6 friends. So what would be five? Five, five percent. Okay, $400,000, sorry, I gotta make it more, $600,000. $100,000 difference. A $600, five percent. Okay, $400,000, sorry, I gotta make it more,

Starting point is 00:45:25 $600,000, $100,000 difference. A $600,000 home, $100,000 more at a five percent interest rate for 30 years, monthly payment, $3,200. Yeah. So why would you leave by another house? No. The only people that are potentially leaving right now

Starting point is 00:45:42 are people that have been in their home for 20, 30 years And they're downsizing because their families all moved out of it And so they sell their three million dollar mansion and they downsize into a nice million dollar condo Yeah, that's like the only people that are part of our world. Literally, but I just showed you you're gonna spend $200 more a month Yeah, on a $100,000 cheaper house. Yeah, a hundred,000 cheaper, you're still gonna pay $200 more a month and your property taxes are gonna be higher. You're not gonna do that.

Starting point is 00:46:10 Because the taxes are percentage of your value of the house. So that's gonna keep it up. So the question becomes, does do we move it back? And of course every realtor likes to say this, right? So they're gonna keep going, they're gonna scale it back to that. Yeah, a lot of realtor's gonna be like, oh, this is, you know, they're just gonna peak out and then it's gonna slow down things.

Starting point is 00:46:28 And then when we correct, then we're gonna start seeing interest rates drop back down. Now, why would they say that? Because it encourages people to buy houses at 7.5% anticipating that the rates will go down and then find, re-finery. Re-finery, yeah, so that's exactly what like, realtor's are pitching right now,

Starting point is 00:46:41 but it's a really interesting time and real estate. I really, so the 40-year mortgage is being pitched like crazy now too. So that's like a big push is to move into the 40-year mortgage. Are people just basically saying, I'm gonna buy this house and then I'll just pay me pay me a pay-missed one. I actually, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:57 So I don't, I really think this is, okay, what's the famous saying that was said at the one, what you're gonna call it, meeting with a real economic forum? Yeah, you'll be renters. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. You'll be happy. Right. So I actually think that which sounds like sound it's so crazy back when we first heard it like, that way that's not going to happen. This is the way that I think we're transitioning people. It's like they don't even realize that they're becoming lifelong renters and not payment payment. Because you really don't own it. The end of of the day, first of all, even when you own your own bank owns the property

Starting point is 00:47:28 tax, the state owns the goddamn property and until you actually pay the loan off with the bank, the bank owns the house. And so for 30 years, it's really not your house at all. And then even when it is your house, you still don't own the damn land. So it's like, we're already in that, and now this is gonna extend it 10 more years, so it's a 40 year mortgage. I think it's just moving in that transition of we're gonna become renters, whether we like it or not.

Starting point is 00:47:52 So you're either gonna be in a 40, 45 year loans or you just choose to rest. By the way, just to do the math, because so my family's here, when it comes to money, that my parents grew up poor, their parents grew up, dirt poor, and they're always like, buy a house, like you got to buy a house that you live in, like, why don't you buy a house that you live in. And I try to explain to them, it's like, listen, if I have X amount of

Starting point is 00:48:14 dollars, especially here in the Bay Area, where a average house in the Bay Area or in San Jose will cost you one point to, you're probably one point three. I'm talking about a normal four bedroom, three four bedroom house, okay. I'm talking about a normal four bedroom, three four bedroom house, okay? I try to explain then and say, look, the amount of money you put down on a house like that to be able to get it, I could buy property somewhere else,

Starting point is 00:48:33 I could make income on the rent because the rent will be more than the mortgage. And then I can rent here, have a house and just pay rent, and that's better use of my money. And my parents were like, what about the value? And this is not, I said, well,

Starting point is 00:48:43 if I live in it, I have done nothing I can do with it, unless they sell it and move again. So it really doesn't make any sense. And then I showed my parents, I said, look, here's, there's more to it. When you make interest payments, like you make, you have a seven and a half percent interest

Starting point is 00:48:57 loan for 30 years on $500,000 or $600,000, or whatever, a million dollars. Well, you pay so much. You pay just an interest? It's like hundreds of thousands of dollars or a million dollars that is gone, that you just paid an interest. So the reality is the old way of,

Starting point is 00:49:15 you buy your house that you live in and that's the way you work things out. It doesn't work out that way in a lot of areas anymore. Most areas doesn't work out that way. No, I think that's why I think we are moving to this, I think we're at a time in our lives, it's just gonna be different. It's not gonna be the same that it was

Starting point is 00:49:31 in our parents' generation, and more and more people are gonna see that logic and go like, why am I buying or buy into the messages of, oh, just put a 40-year mortgage, and so now you're just mortgaging for 40 years. When you're here, and kids will have it. Yeah. So, which, to me a 40-year mortgage. And so now you're just mortgaging for 40 years. And your kids will have it. Yeah. So, which, to me, that's even crazier,

Starting point is 00:49:48 because then you got 40 years to minute. And at the end of that 40 years, you're gonna pay 10 times the price of what that house was. So just to say it was yours, it's like it was. When you could have invested in other places, made income and been smart. Totally. So, super interesting like that,

Starting point is 00:50:02 I think that we're in a really pivotal time is speaking of pivotal times Boy, let me tell you what a what a wonderful time to be alive I think this is when you know life is getting easy is when competitions Like this start popping up everywhere. I know Justin you want to talk about this. I actually looked this up myself Okay, have you heard of hobby horse competitions? Yeah, maybe I, I haven't wanted to bring it. Maybe Doug, you can go. Maybe you can go.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Hobby horse competitions. So first of all, you've seen horse competition. Like people write horses and they jump over things. Horse prancid. You know what a hobby horse is? It's the rock, like a rocker, right? No. Okay, so it's like a stick.

Starting point is 00:50:37 Like, think about horse hand. You can start with a horse hand. You can start with a horse hand. Yeah. It's like, there's actual competitions. I don't know if there's a lot of dudes that do this. There's definitely a lot of girls that are out there and they're, yay, huh, and they're doing little

Starting point is 00:50:51 new teams. They're jumping over, yeah, just like they're on a horse. You know, I blame the internet. Because you know what, there's only, in the entire world of billions of people, there's only about 500 weirdos that would wanna do this, but they can all meet on it. Look, look, this is 2019.

Starting point is 00:51:08 I love this. The finished weird people, dude. Hey, the title of this is the Finnish hobby horse championship. Finnish, isn't that the world? Guaranteed. Hey, Guaranteed, we have at least one listener. Look at this. Hey, look, bro, look at this.

Starting point is 00:51:19 Oh, wow. Hey, look, that's the competition. Whoa. Hey, they did it slow motion to show the athleticism. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Wow, in the world. You know, hey, look, there's the competition. Whoa! Hey, they did it slow motion to show the athleticism. Yeah, that's what it is. Wow, in the world. You know, hey, look, there's worse things your daughter could do. Come on, let's be honest.

Starting point is 00:51:30 Yeah. Yeah. I would you approach it if your kid was like, this is what I want to do. You want a real horse? They just like, pretend to feed it. You know, and between the end of the day. So is that most likely what this is?

Starting point is 00:51:45 This is like the parents that are like, Hey, listen, we can't afford a horse, but we can do this for you. Uh-huh. I feel like that's what this is. No, I think this is, look, by the way, nobody's getting hurt, okay, fine, I get it. I'm in a weird stuff too sometime.

Starting point is 00:51:57 But, I mean, there's actually a fan base. I mean, look at that. There's a crowd. I think it's just, maybe we're weird. Maybe. I think this, again, this goes back to the whole play thing, right? That four year old cut off. You know, they missed a good point.

Starting point is 00:52:12 They missed the window. They did a good point. You know, play with their hobby horse. And so now they're like reliving it. Oh my God, let it go. Let it go. Let it go. Just, listen, you know, okay, by the way, people happen

Starting point is 00:52:22 with these kids who are playing iPads, but you're three and five right now. This is like when you have a girlfriend I don't know if this happened you guys were ever growing up and you go over to her house And then she has literally like every stuffed animal or like Disney like character like all of the bed Yeah, like all the posters and you're like Yikes You wrote already when this happened like 12

Starting point is 00:52:43 Okay, that's different. That's funny. Yeah, I've heard stories are like, two times younger than like 20. I asked my stuff, that'll be kind of, you know. Yeah, that still happens later on. It's a little. I think this is just evidence that life has gotten so amazingly easy. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:52:58 That we could create competitions. Sure. Around just made up stuff, you know? That's what I think. I actually think the Justin's more spot on. I think that's a really good call on the whole, like I brought up that Jordan Peterson thing of the two to four year old, like so important,

Starting point is 00:53:11 because that's the age of these kids that are doing this right now. Okay, well he's just like imagination, and I love it, you know, like go for it, but you know, you normal girl out of it around five or six. Now, hey, there's adult versions of this, maybe. So I showed this to my kid, and my kid is a smart ass. Like a real horse.

Starting point is 00:53:28 And he goes, well, last week you shared with me the world record with the Rubik's Cube and you thought it was cool. I'm like, what, I mean, I get, I get it, it gets weird. It is weird too. But did you guys see that? There's a kid, yeah. Who did the Rubik's Cube?

Starting point is 00:53:39 And like three seconds or two seconds. Oh, two seconds, my bad. Did you pull that up, Doug? World record Rubik's Cube. Do you watch his fingers is like Boom solve it. Yeah, yeah, now that I think Yeah, I see again, I watch all the weird There you go. I watch a little there's like it. There's a

Starting point is 00:53:57 Mathematical hand-eye coordination real physical challenge to that. Well, I mean, the girls were jumping over shit with the horse. You just stop it. That was a high, that was a good jump. Just see it. Stupid stop. I want to see you jump back. I was like, about that number. Hey, that was high, dude. Can you jump over the horse? That was a holy little horse?

Starting point is 00:54:13 I think I can. Especially you do. Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty good. Hey, if I can enter in your competition in place, the first time I do it, it's not that impressive. I can, I'm gonna ask you to look at it.

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Starting point is 00:54:54 That's impressive, dude. That's crazy impressive. That's very impressive. So, okay, he obviously, there's a formula. Yeah. There is a formula to doing a ribbous cube. Yeah. You know? Now look, now here's the deal. Look at the kids a formula to doing a ribbous cube. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:05 You know. Now look, now here's the deal. Look at the kids here versus the kids and the other one. Just a dorky. They're all weird. Yeah, they're, yeah. Yeah, they're all weird. But this is, hey listen, this is my kind of winking.

Starting point is 00:55:15 Okay. Way more application in real life. Thank you. Really, what are you gonna do with that? Bro, the mathematics, hand-eye coordination, and ability to do that. Okay, explain to me how, let's just say it takes a little more skill. That's all.

Starting point is 00:55:27 No, no, no. Okay, there's obviously a formula that he has to figure out mathematically before he does that. Shit. Oh, you're kidding me right now. Really? Yeah, hold on, really?

Starting point is 00:55:36 Hold on, you know what it is? It's that that is more our kind of weird. The other one is a kind of weird that we don't like. Let's be honest. All right, fine. If the hobby horse, can we put this way? If five. If the hobby horses, okay, me please wait. If it was guys on hobby horses, but they were running into each other.

Starting point is 00:55:50 There's two being adults now. They walk into an interview and they have to share. Yeah, okay, you're right. Okay, you're right. I don't believe easily. Seriously, I can cause play and be something weird to it. All these people walk into any job, maybe any job you want. And they say, tell us something.

Starting point is 00:56:07 And tell us about your special skill. Yes, special skill or something. And then she can put a, I can do a Rubis cube in less than four seconds. Right now, if you put on the table. Whoa, I can jump with my hobby horse over. You put your phone. Yeah, let me show you when I went,

Starting point is 00:56:18 let me show you when I wanted to finish. Look at all my ribbons. You know what I'm, oh, well, you know what I'm a little bit different. Bro, I don't care what your job is. You're gonna get laughed out on one of them. The other ones. Oh, well, you know, I'm a way. I don't care what your job is. You're going to get laughed out on one of them. The other ones like, wow, really?

Starting point is 00:56:29 You can do a Rubens cube in other four seconds. Yeah, I guess you're right. Come on. I guess you're right. If I could choose one, it's different. But hey, she did jump high, bro. That's pretty good. Come on.

Starting point is 00:56:39 I can't hobby hobby. So everybody's hobby is that are unique and weird. And no, no shame. There's just some weird. There's just some showing. I think there's some things that are unique and weird and no shaming. They're so weird. They're so showing. I think there's some things that are kind of funny or weird like hobbies, but still take like a skill and craft. Like there's like a people that do the little kid razor scooters,

Starting point is 00:56:58 like crazy tricks and stuff on that. Like that's kind of funny to me when I see a grown ass man riding a razor is against the weed. I see everything on the way to work. There's like some grown-ass man right now, razor. And I'm like, you imagine you miss the play between you two. I bought the shoes with the wheelie. Yeah, yeah, you did.

Starting point is 00:57:13 I'm gonna bust that shit. Well, you actually bottle? Yeah, they're coming. You do. There'll be a video. Oh, I know. Yeah, I know. You imagine Justin Bieber tricking me.

Starting point is 00:57:21 But I mean, my point, all of that. Justin Bieber do you trick on razor scooters? Yeah. Yeah, no way. Let's see. He's very. My point, all of this. That's just have to do a trick on Razor Scooter. Yeah. No way, that's a very, very like hit one of those guys. Okay, that's just as weird as silly, but it's a skill, a craft, and you get to work at it together. And it's like, okay, so one of the hobby horse

Starting point is 00:57:34 thing you just showed us right there, all joking aside, there was nothing. When we're done with this. You just put a stick between your legs. When we're done with this, I'm gonna set the bar, and I want you to jump over it, but you gotta put your legs aside like they did. See if you can do that. I can do that. All right, we'll see about that. We're gonna be a video'm gonna set the bar and I want you jump over it But you got to put your legs aside like they did I can do that all right. We'll see

Starting point is 00:57:50 Give you 180 I'll do it with a 180 in their first try We all get horses made. Can you print? All right, all right, let's change directions real quick. Doug's shaking his head. Adam, did you finally try the chocolate? I did. All right. Chocolate donuts. Chocolate donuts. Did I, was I exaggerating?

Starting point is 00:58:11 No, it's good. Oh, it's good. Thank you. And more importantly, it goes down really smooth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I told you, it's almost like, you never believe me because I oversell so many things.

Starting point is 00:58:20 You do oversell things. No, you do. That's my fault. Especially with supplements. I'm always like, good. I'll skip it. But this legit, is it not the best, it's crazy how good it with supplements. I'm always like, I'll skip this one. But this legit, is it not the best,

Starting point is 00:58:27 it's crazy how good it tastes. It's good. It's actually like, what I haven't done with it and I do want to try this now is like, because I've told you before that if I do a certain amount of scoops of way or overdue way protein a day, don't mess up my gut is,

Starting point is 00:58:39 I want to see if I do like two or three scoops of that. If it will go to hell. I'll crush, I've had a hundred grams of protein from it. Oh wow. And it's sitting. No, no, no, no, I'll do like two, 50 grams. I've done it before.

Starting point is 00:58:50 Okay. And no problem on my gut. You give me any other protein and it's not good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty well. I'll push that to see how that is. Awesome. Oh, hey, we got to give a shout out to our good friend, John Deloney.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Yeah, his book dropped. Oh, yeah. Now, this, this is a must read. He sent us a copy. I'm looking through it. The title of it is Building a Non-Anxious Life. And it's absolutely invaluable. Like if you're somebody that just kind of struggles

Starting point is 00:59:19 with generally feeling uncomfortable or anxious, this is me, it's like a game changer. It's phenomenal. I can't wait to have him on the show. He wasn't in the mental health space. He's doing such a good job. I love John. Wasn't this what his talk was kind of centered around?

Starting point is 00:59:32 Yeah, so, and I know that hits you pretty hard, right? It just, it resonates with me because that's me. I generally feel uncomfortable in my own skin. And it's, this is just, it's so powerful. And so many people deal with that. So many people deal with that and don't even realize it. They don't even realize it until you start taking away their distractions.

Starting point is 00:59:52 And it's like, I gotta sit here quietly. I can't do that. Well, it's because you're probably anxious. So anyway, good stuff. John Deloney. And then what's his Instagram? Is it at John Deloney? I think it is at John Deloney.

Starting point is 01:00:02 I think so. Let me look it up. Yeah, go out and support. I mean, that's he's by far one of our favorite humans. So just John Deloney. D-E-L-O-N-E-Y. No, no E actually. D-E-L-O-N-Y.

Starting point is 01:00:14 Look, you're not what you eat, you're what you digest. If you're trying to eat a high protein diet, if you're trying to fuel your workouts and find that you have gastro distress, gas, bloating, constipation, tummy issues, well digestive enzymes can actually help. In fact, digestive enzymes are necessary to break those foods down into usable forms like amino acids so that your muscles and body can utilize them properly. Well, there's a company called Mass Zimes that makes digestive enzymes for fitness-minded individuals.

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Starting point is 01:01:02 How can we help you? Oh my gosh, I can't believe it's you guys. Hey. I was part of me was expecting a Nigerian prince. Sorry, I didn't know where to pick my question. Yeah. Okay. All right, first off, I just want to say,

Starting point is 01:01:18 I first started listening to you guys about five years ago for the fitness information in the last. Then throughout the years, I became a father of two amazing girls. And now I'm more recently, I became a church going man. So the amount of value I get from you guys and your stories is really something I can't express enough. Thank you. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:01:38 All right, here's my question. A few months ago, I wanted to shed some extra love that I gained over the holidays. So I adjusted my calories to 2000 a day. After about three weeks, well, more like exactly three weeks, I got to a leanness I was happy with, so I decided to start bulking. Every three weeks I added 500 calories until I got to where I am now, where I am now, which is 4000 calories and 250 grams of protein a day.

Starting point is 01:02:08 I know you guys recommend about 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight, and obviously I am in excess of that quite a bit. So I was wondering if you guys think that the amount of protein I'm eating for a guy my size is too much. I am 30 years old, 170 pounds, and 5 foot 10. How do you feel? Like digestion wise? Yes, I feel really good. I'm paying a lot of attention to that, things like digestion and stuff like that. It is definitely dependent on quality of food. So obviously, so sometimes I'll work out

Starting point is 01:02:37 at camp or out of town. My food choice is, I do the best what I can, but sometimes it's just Boston pizza. When I'm in town, I have a lot more control of what I eat, and in those times, my digestion is a lot better even though the protein is still the same. Where are you getting all your protein from? Is it all from animal source or is it a lot of way protein? Yeah, 99% of the time it's animal source. I've been doing 4,000 calories for about nine weeks I had one pro one time. It was from a protein powder

Starting point is 01:03:10 But other than that it's animal source Yeah, so so let me ask you this. This is a good question Because I want to get to the root of why you're asking this in the first place what's making you ask us and This may be less for you Anthony but more for other people watching right now, okay? Because you've already kind of answered it with the questions that Adam and Justin asked you, but what made you ask this question the first place about your protein being too high?

Starting point is 01:03:33 What do you mean by that? Like, what are you worried about? What's the driver behind that? You got a good question. So the reason I ask, honestly, so I am, like I said, I'm feeling pretty good. In my opinion, everything's going really good. This is the best I've ever been fitness-wise, so everything's going great.

Starting point is 01:03:50 But it was mostly, so one day my girlfriend walked downstairs, or my wife, my go-walk downstairs, and saw me scoop in a full container, Greek yogurt, into a container, into a tough work container, and then she kind of looked at me, half judging, half concerned. Like do you think there's ever a possible, it's possible, you could eat too much protein. And maybe I got a little defensive at first. And I'm like, no. But then I kind of come down, thought about it. And like, you know what? I should, I should really look into that. And the information that I have been looking at actually kind of does

Starting point is 01:04:21 lean towards that I am eating too much protein. But I'm confused because I feel so good. And, good. And I want to prove my girlfriend wrong, I guess. Hold on, girlfriend or what? Yeah, I was going to say which one? Girlfriend or wife? Okay. Yeah, yeah. That would be a problem. You're right. You're glad she's just focused on the protein and not your girlfriend. Yeah. So I'd so look, there's, there's, there's like these interesting kind of fears around eating, quote unquote, too much protein. And the fears tend to be something like,

Starting point is 01:04:54 it's gonna stress your kidneys, it's not good for your body, like there's something inherently unhealthy about protein. But those are all totally unfounded. Now to be quite honest, what you're doing is actually quite difficult. Like the average person would be, it would find it very challenging

Starting point is 01:05:14 to eat 250 grams of protein from whole food because it's so satiating, okay? Yeah, so I can see on the people's faces. Yeah, so whenever that's immediate. Exactly, so people listening right now, like if you're doing this from whole natural sources, you're probably not gonna be able to get to 250. I can't do this on a regular basis,

Starting point is 01:05:29 it just, it feels me up too much. But really what you should be looking for are signs of poor digestion, you know, feeling the thargic, is your protein crowding out other essential nutrients, like sometimes people get so focused on protein that they don't eat enough healthy fats or just essential fats But otherwise you're there's nothing at all. There's zero wrong with what you're doing

Starting point is 01:05:50 I think you're killing it. Yeah, you feel good. Everything's going great Especially since you're getting most of this through Whole Foods Because you that more than likely you're not missing out on those other macronutrients if you're getting through Whole Foods Correct, you know where people screw up is is there so if fatuated with the protein? No, I'm not getting the fat. Yeah, all they're doing is taking way protein in, like crazy to hit that kind of high target. But if you're getting that through whole foods, you're gonna get your mix of healthy fats with the protein.

Starting point is 01:06:13 So, I mean, if you feel good, that's the main thing. Now, sometimes people aren't aware, okay, so maybe you feel good like you're in good shape and you're strong, but then you're like farting every five minutes. So if your fiance is telling you that because your shit stinks so bad, okay? That could also be a sign that you are a little high on protein.

Starting point is 01:06:34 So even though you feel like we tell the story of our good buddy Craig, we were all, that was so, I guess you guys roll him out of the bus all the time. Well, because the reason why I bring him up right now, is because he's shot us through our boy, Craig. For people who don't know, it's Craig Caperson. Yeah. He's an incredible shape, right?

Starting point is 01:06:54 Incredible shape. And he would tell you that he feels amazing under that. But I could tell you right now, but the smell of his farts, clearing out a sweet that's like, hey, bro, that's too much protein. I mean, that's so- Is that memorable?

Starting point is 01:07:07 Right, it is that memorable. So, that is why I bring that up, right? So maybe she's like, hey bro, but you should, you maybe should check some. It should be nice. Yeah, she's trying to be nice. No, I'm married yet. Just wait till you get married.

Starting point is 01:07:18 You're still talking a lot more honest. And you think because you got abs and you're strong and you look good and everyone's telling you look good that you feel great, right? But in deep down, you are having a little bit of digestive abs and you're strong and you look good and everyone's telling you look good that you feel great Right, but it deep down you you are having a little bit of digestive issues And you don't realize it because you got so much gas. Yeah, you got just pay attention I'm feeling they attention to your digestion Yeah, I'm asking around

Starting point is 01:07:37 Yeah, but by the way the most common thing that can happen from someone who's eating quote-unquote too much protein for their body Isn't actually the the flatulence, it's more like constipation. That's much more common where somebody just has, they just are more constipated. Okay. So they need to switch that out for some fiber. You know, if your calories are too high, you're getting too much body fat, you know, you could cut your protein and you'd be totally fine. I think you're good.

Starting point is 01:08:02 But you're doing okay. I'm glad you brought up this question because there's this interesting fear around protein, like it's somehow bad for you. And it's just, and by the way, and this is totally different if we're just talking to some random person who's not exercising, you're weight training consistently. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:18 So you're putting a lot of that to work. It would be totally different if you were just this person who's sitting around doing nothing and you're eating that much protein, but you lifting weights, your body's put it to work, it would be totally different if you were just this person who's sitting around doing nothing and you're eating that much protein. But you lifting weights, your body's just put it to work. I will say this, it was a huge bump in calories in a relatively short period of time. And right now you're feeling lots of positive effects. I would still pay attention to how your body's responding because you may be in that initial

Starting point is 01:08:43 phase of utilizing all these calories for muscle and stuff. But at some point, you may, it's not, this isn't guaranteed, but you may find that body fat starts to accumulate little too quickly, in which case you may need to cut down. But other than that, you're doing a great job. Just did it, of course. And he's gonna stay the course,

Starting point is 01:08:59 because he's frozen. Uh-huh. So I don't think that was too fast. It's 500 every three weeks, bro. No, no, no. It's basically a hundred a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did 500. No, three. No. Oh, every three weeks, he went up 500 calories. Oh, so you're looking at you're looking at six weeks going from 2000 to four thousand. Yeah. Yeah. No, not even more than that. Every three weeks, he went up five hundred calories. So that's nine weeks later. Yeah. Oh, I guess he might be okay. No, that's great. It's like it's all like he's a hundred something calorie. I thought it was worded. I was looking. Yeah, I thought I was from

Starting point is 01:09:31 2004. No, you know, I was I'm looking at this and I'm like, do this is exactly my reverse diet out of the show because I would except for I wouldn't quite get down to 2000 and get around 22 to 2300 for a show and then I would bring back about 500 calories every couple of weeks as I was pulling back on cardio stuff. And this is exactly what it looked like. The most interesting part of this whole question to me is that at his body weight in his size, that he can eat 250 grams of protein from whole foods.

Starting point is 01:09:57 And it just highlights the individual variance. Dude, not a lot of people can do that. I, literally, this would be a forced feed day for me. Yeah. There's no way I'd be able to maintain this because it's just so satiety, it just crushes my appetite. I mean, I also think he's also witnessing,

Starting point is 01:10:14 I mean, the guys, he was a 2000 calorie day. Hungry for it. Yeah, he's lean, he's lifting weights pretty good. I mean, his body's. And a bullet? Yeah, his body is just primed to build right now and it's, he's hungry. So I mean, this is perfect. And I'm glad you did ask him to explain himself even though I think Justin and I pretty much

Starting point is 01:10:32 hit the things that were the main concerns. So we could get out what I think a lot of people get. And that's, I think the messaging. Yeah. There's a lot of messaging right now around like... And you called that a long time ago that we're going to demonize protein. Of course. Pro teens is bad thing now. It's just like, stop it. And you called that a long time ago that we're gonna demonize protein. Of course, that protein's this bad thing now. It's just like, stop it.

Starting point is 01:10:47 Not with somebody that's that healthy, that's lifting weights, that feels great. No, and one more thing I'll address with protein. Protein does stimulate growth factors in the body. And these growth factors can also stimulate cancer proliferation. But that does not mean that these growth factors are pro-cancer. It just means that things that make your body grow, if you have cancer, will also feed cancer. What else is this true for?

Starting point is 01:11:14 Everything that you eat, all your nutrients. So there is nothing inherently unhealthy about protein at all. In fact, it's one of the healthiest things you can aim for in your diet. Do you think that there is a large portion of people though that, not to keep hammering our poor Frank Craig, but the reason why I bring that up, I know I was that way in my mid-20s. I was taking in so much protein and that to me was the sign. I was either on the toilet or I was like farting like crazy. And I just thought that was part of it.

Starting point is 01:11:48 Like oh, I gotta eat this much protein in order to get big. And when you eat this much protein, you're gassy like this like crazy. And it's like that's not true at all. Like I don't have that much gas at all compared to what I used to. I think to like the source of it, like you know, if you're doing a lot of protein powder and you're drinking it fast and you get the air

Starting point is 01:12:07 and everything in between. So I think there's a little bit of a slower digestive element to like eating, you know, animal source. Dude, I tell you what, I've done 220, 230 grams of protein from whole foods on a constant, relatively consistent basis. It takes me at five meals to do so, but I don't get the gastro distresses when I'm making

Starting point is 01:12:27 up my protein intake with like a hundred grams of protein shakes. Our next color is Kitty from New Jersey. Kitty! How can we help you? Hey guys. Hi. Hello. Thanks for taking my question.

Starting point is 01:12:42 Like everyone always says, you know, listening to you for a very long time, probably 2017, 2018-ish, and even though I've never done weightlifting stuff, I just try and squirrel your information away in my brain. Never thought I'd actually have a question for you, though. Let's hear it. Yeah, well thank you for your support. Yeah. So, um, my question was I recently joined a gym and started taking the Les Mills Body Pump classes. And I enjoy the classes, but I'm wondering if there's a way to

Starting point is 01:13:15 keep taking the class, but make it less about cardio in order to lift heavier weights. And it's like, I like group classes. That's what gets me to work out. And I've never joined like group classes. That's what gets me to work out and I've never joined the gym before. So just getting to a gym and doing these body pump classes is a big step for me. And then background about me, 52 years old, never had to worry about weight. However, going into menopause, you know, about a couple years ago, it has created a good body and body fat challenge for me. And whenever my weight goes up, that seems to be the new number it stays at.

Starting point is 01:13:57 And in the past, I've done yoga and pole dance classes. And I never had to worry about my weight. Even though I ate pretty healthy, but never had to worry about my weight. Even I ate pretty healthy but never had to worry about my weight. Stopped working out once COVID hit and now I'm just trying to get back in like, finally rhythm. Okay. Before I think it's important I answer since I probably hammer the classes the most and I want to point out something that you said though that's really important. That, you know, it's a big step for you to be in there

Starting point is 01:14:29 and the classes are so supportive. And this is where there's always an exception to the rule when I'm talking to somebody, right? So I know I come down hard sometimes on class settings and I've said things like all classes, you guys wish that all campuses should be to die. You're right. And here's a thing. So if you were a client of mine and you said that to me, then I would encourage you to continue doing the classes. And I'd probably ask you like,

Starting point is 01:14:54 how well do you know the instructor and could you go over to the instructor and say, hey, I'm going to like every other set set out so I can rest between these and that way I can push the way because there's ways for you to potentially do that, right? You're not gonna follow exactly the kind of rhythm that they follow in those classes, like they kind of follow music or like a beat. Yeah. And it's like non-stop.

Starting point is 01:15:15 Very fast. Right. And so what you could do is, whenever you guys go over and you load up the weights, I know on the little bar or whatever that, and you're getting ready to do like some sort of a, you know, circuit that you do, you know, 10 to 12 reps and then you set the bar down and you pick a, and then you keep adding weight to where that 10 to 12 reps is heavy and challenging for you.

Starting point is 01:15:37 And then you give yourself at least a minute rest before you get, you, you join back into the rhythm of the class. And so if you communicated that with the instructor that hey, I wanna really push getting stronger, I'm gonna give myself some rest. I just want you to know that, you know, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to your class or like it's nothing I can't keep up with the pace.

Starting point is 01:15:56 It's that I really wanna get strong. That's what my focus is. That's how I would modify a class like that is I would force you to rest after every 12 to 15 reps. I wouldn't let you do more than 12 to 15 reps and I'd always be pushing you to add weight that makes 12 to 15 reps really challenging. So that would be the first part of how I would start my advice to you.

Starting point is 01:16:19 Then the next thing would be let's also assess what's going on. If you're still not seeing results, we might have to move away from a class setting because you need to do something that's more Structured like a Maps Antibolic program But I would at least try and modify my advice because of what you said from the very beginning of How much this is supportive and help helping you to get going in the right direction? Yeah, Kitty can I can I just say I love you right? I love that you're in there, you're trying, you're definitely communicating very honestly. And I love working with people like you.

Starting point is 01:16:50 So I want to ask you this, what is it about the class that is getting you to go on a consistent basis? Is it the schedule, is it the people that you, did you make friends there? Like let's isolate what it is about the class that you have found that is helping you stay consistent. So I do like a class environment, just, you know, with the potential to meet new people, where I don't see that happening out in like the on the floor where all the weights are. And within the class, since like listen, my background is yoga and pull dance,

Starting point is 01:17:34 I don't know, I don't have the knowledge of form when it comes to lifting. And within these classes, they just get out cues like Like, you know, I'm shoulders back or whatever and like they show them, they do demos on uncertain things. And I feel like I need that because I don't, I don't have that knowledge and I'm super body aware when I'm doing yoga, but when it comes to weights, it's, it's, I'll be lifting. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.

Starting point is 01:18:08 I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.

Starting point is 01:18:24 I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. Like someone yelling out, you know, something about form or, you know, the way people are holding their body, like even if it isn't specified at me, you know, it's just a reminder like, oh yeah, shoulders back or whatever. Gotcha. So that's what I like about that. And I also don't know what to do. And I'm, I would be super uncomfortable and just really intimidated to just go out on the floor and start playing around with the free weights or any of the equipment.

Starting point is 01:18:55 And that world is so far into me. This is the route for sure. This is what I thought. By the way, this is very common. This is extremely common whenever I would get an average member that would come in, especially female. This is what they would feel when we would sit down and talk. This is super common.

Starting point is 01:19:17 I'm going to be objective, and then I'm going to help you out a little bit. Objectively speaking, the form guidance you're getting from an instructor in a classroom full of 20, 30, 40 people is garbage. Okay, so they can't possibly help you with your form in any real substantial way because of the class setting. And I'm speaking from someone who ran gyms and owned gyms. So you're not really getting the benefit necessarily from that from a objective standpoint. But I know I think the benefit you're getting is the

Starting point is 01:19:47 it's helping you with your lack of confidence in your form and technique and you're with other people so you don't feel alone, you don't feel isolated, it is a bit scary to work out, you know, in the freeway area. So I totally get that. So there's a couple things I can do to kind of help you with that. One is we all, you know we have programs. I'm gonna set you up with some of our programs. Then you got videos and demos in there showing you what to do.

Starting point is 01:20:12 And two, and this is the part you're gonna have to do on your own, is I want you to venture out and this is expose your therapy. Like any other fear, if you go out and you start doing it, it kind of sucks at first, but then it

Starting point is 01:20:25 gets easier. And then the confidence you're going to get from doing this in the weight room and practicing on your own. And then the results you're going to get because the training is going to be much more appropriate is what's going to give you the life long sustaining motivation, energy, and discipline to do this forever. Okay. So if this is something you want to do for the rest of your life, you're going to have to tackle this forever. Okay, so if this is something you wanna do for the rest of your life, you're going to have to tackle this at some point. At some point, you're gonna have to tackle this. I think you should do it now, especially

Starting point is 01:20:52 because you're kind of in the middle of this, you're talking about menopause and those hormones can definitely affect how the body stores body fat, the best exercise solution for menopause is strength training. Nothing, traditional. of strength training. Like nothing, traditional. Traditional strength training.

Starting point is 01:21:07 Not, you know, cardio with weights or what body pump is, right? Like real strength training is your absolute best approach. Now, if this is still too scary, may I suggest the hybrid approach? How many days a week are you going to the gym right now? Well, my first month, I was going almost every single day, and then I was like, well, wait, I've not seen results at all. I don't feel like I'm getting stronger.

Starting point is 01:21:33 Mine pump would tell me to back off. So July, I cut it like close to half. So maybe about 15 days. I was going last month. Okay. Do you think you could do this? Do you feel like you could do one class a week? And one 30 minute strength training session on your own a week where you watch our videos and kind of follow our cues. Could you do that or does that feel too much? It feels like it's not enough class time. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:22:13 You feel it feels like I mean, I'm telling you right now it is, but I will say this. You can do two classes and one strength training session. I was going to start with. Yeah. My, my, my, my goal is to get you to, to slowly ease into strength training session I was gonna start with. Yeah, my goal is to get you to slowly ease into strength training. So I don't want you to do a ton of classes because that'll impede on your recovery. But you could do two classes

Starting point is 01:22:33 and then one like 30 minute strength training like on your own I think would be okay. Do you think you could do that? Have you looked into it all like hiring a personal trainer or coach or anybody there in the gym. So with the gym membership, I do get a personal trainer, like one session every month. Perfect.

Starting point is 01:22:55 And I met with, like I told them, like, you know, they asked me what I want. I'm like, I want somebody who works with women and men opposed who are struggling with fat loss. And they put me with someone, she's quite young. Give me a little bit of a program to do. But I don't, is it good? I don't know, because I've never worked with a personal trainer and we did the whole in-body. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:23 Here's the move for the trainer. Since we do have that, is use that trainer to, I want, we're gonna give you a program. Yeah, exactly. And we're gonna make the trainer take you through that. And you already said it earlier, like it's the forum and technique. You wanna build confidence around that.

Starting point is 01:23:38 So we don't want her for anything else. I don't give a shit about her knowledge around menopause. I don't give a shit about her knowledge. Can you just teach me these exercises? I just want her to be there to give you the individual coaching on the form and technique. It'll be the easiest job of her life. She's already got the program laid out.

Starting point is 01:23:52 I don't need her giving you nutritional advice. Literally watch my form, tell me how I can prove. And then you take these checks yourself. Here's the program I'm following, the guys from Mind Pump. And then we're gonna put you in the forum. So you'll be in the forum with us so we can have so we can keep an eye on you You can give us feedback of what's going on

Starting point is 01:24:09 But I'm with self now program wise. I actually think that Matt's 15 would be a good way to ease her in Matt's 15 would be great. We could even do one 30 minute session Whatever is gonna make you kitty feel Cuz I get the fear and I get the intimidation, okay, I totally get it. I manage gyms for a long time. This is a huge hurdle for a lot of people. Super common. So you have to ease yourself in,

Starting point is 01:24:33 otherwise it's gonna be, you're gonna be so apprehensive, you're not gonna wanna do anything at all. And I think you understand that, that's why you're saying, you wanna do these classes. So honestly, any approach that allows you to ease yourself in to the traditional strain training is going to be the right approach. Whether it's one 30-minute session or one strength training exercise every day or two where you're in there just for 15 minutes like with maps of teen, both options I think will be, will work perfectly for you. And then to add more,

Starting point is 01:25:02 is it, let me ask you this, is it feasible for you financially to hire a personal trainer to train you once a week every week, or is that out of the question? Because training is expensive, 101. So yeah, that is a barrier for me. Okay. And yeah, I do work in the financial industry, but I'm one of those firms that was just taken over by another firm. So we're all just kind of sitting around waiting for our jobs to be.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Yeah, no worries. We can work around that. We can work around that. No worries at all. So let me do this. I'm going to send you Maps and Obolic and I'm going to send you Maps 15. Okay. If you want to just do one 30 minute workout a week, follow Maps and Obolic pre-phase.

Starting point is 01:25:42 The pre-phase workouts will be what you'll follow. Okay. Okay. Okay. If you wanna just do like a couple exercises most days, then maps of teen is the way to go. By the way, the maps of teen, you can use a suspension trainer, which is you could do at home.

Starting point is 01:25:59 Okay. So that you don't even need weights. You could just use your body and a suspension trainer and you don't even need to go to the gym. You could do it at home. Well, what I like about maps of teen is like, body and a suspension trainer, and you don't even need to go to the gym. You could do it at home. What I like about Mass 15 is, once you start learning the technique and you start sharpening that, you just practice it.

Starting point is 01:26:10 It's not a workout. You're just practicing what you've just learned. And so it's like laid out for you pretty simply. And you'll be surprised how strong you're gonna get and how confident you're gonna get as a result. And we're gonna put you in the form. So whichever one you choose, just keep us in the loop. So let us know what you start with

Starting point is 01:26:29 and how you start to ease in and good or bad. I would love to hear from you on your experience so that we can work through that because to Sal's point, this is unbelievably common. You are not alone in this situation. This is probably a majority of clients that I think all of us have trained. And so we would we just want to slowly ease you into getting confident. This is the way to do it. You know, one one time a week doing a few exercises or a 30 minute workout

Starting point is 01:26:55 in there. You've got by the way, I don't know if you know, but the programs, I mean, you bring your iPhone in there and then we've got follow along videos. So you can watch somebody do it for. Oh, yeah. And you put it in your headphones, you can listen to the cues, and so we have, like it has a full breakdown that you can watch. And we encourage people to, in the forum, to video themselves, why they do exercises

Starting point is 01:27:16 and post the videos and we'll critique for you. So we'll let you know. And the forum is really supportive that way of lots of other people that were in your exact shoes just a year or two years before and they're now feeling confident to lift themselves. So there's a great community. If you like that community of supportive people that are all kind of going through it, you're going to get that in there too. So yeah, set you up.

Starting point is 01:27:35 And Kitty, I want you to pay most close attention to your strength. If you're getting stronger, like if you could do more reps with good form, if you could add weight, then you're probably moving in like if you could do more reps with good form, if you could add weight, then you're probably moving in the right direction for sure. You're very, very likely moving in the right direction. The scale can lie to us. So I wouldn't worry so much about the scale, unless you get these crazy fluctuations of body weight. Otherwise, like if you're getting stronger, everything including hormones is probably moving in the right direction.

Starting point is 01:28:03 And then lastly, like there's, the other end of this is so awesome. I want to encourage you because right now it feels like this kind of like scary thing. With practice and the other end of this is like so much confidence, it's so awesome. You're going to have this amazing relationship with exercise and you're going to unlock this this tremendous potential right now that's just under the surface. So I hope that encourages you. So, you know, stay at it. Yeah, definitely. You guys definitely encourage me. And if it wasn't for you guys, I'd probably wouldn't even have thought about lifting weights. But I'm also somewhere, I like my workouts to be fun.

Starting point is 01:28:47 And that's another part of the whole class experience. Sure. You know what's fun, too, Kitty? Seeing yourself get great results. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. Yeah. I'm telling you, because that's a common thing clients would say to me,

Starting point is 01:29:03 I love the class, it's so fun. And then three months later, they're frustrated because they're not seeing results anymore. It's not fun anymore, because you're not seeing the results from it. When you're seeing great results from you learning a new skill while also building confidence, I totally watch how fucking fun that is.

Starting point is 01:29:16 It really does transform that way. And a lot of the fun you're having now is just the fact that you're in there and there's a lack of anxiety and fear and that feels amazing and I understand that. But I'm here to tell you that the fearings and anxiety that you feel with strength training in the weight room will go away and that is going to make things a lot different. It's going to make things feel a lot better.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Okay. We got you. We're going to be with you along this process, okay? So make sure you get inside the forum, don't send you access to all the programs in the forum. And if anybody messes with you in the gym, take a picture, sure you get inside the forum, dumps and ascend you access to all the programs in the forum. And if anybody messes with you in the gym, take a picture, send it to us. We'll broadcast it on the podcast.

Starting point is 01:29:49 I'll see you there. Okay, two seconds. Yes, guys, thanks so much. You got it. Like I never thought I'd ever have a reason to reach out to you guys are, you get me through my work days, every day I'm working from home alone. So you guys So you guys have made a huge impact on my life.

Starting point is 01:30:08 I appreciate that. Thank you, Katie. Awesome. Thanks, guys. You ever want to just hug someone? Yeah. Virtual hug. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:17 So I know this helped a lot of people who are listening because that's just normal, very clear. And she's very honest. Tell me that wasn't like, don't know 60% of your clients You had right there easy. Yeah, you know what? I the reason why I get so I mean makes me so excited to hear something like this is because when I would get I know you guys At the same thing when you would get a client like this you knew that they didn't even they didn't even realize the Transformation that they were about to embark on and I don't mean physically that happens as a result

Starting point is 01:30:42 transformation that they were about to embark on. And I don't mean physically, that happens as a result, but the mental and psychological transformation from going to where she is to a few months later, walking in, confident, wow, it's like a whole new world. It's a whole new world and we have an opportunity here to create, to really encourage someone to create a lifelong good relationship with exercise. And she's got enough courage to take that first step.

Starting point is 01:31:07 So pretty awesome. Well, I like this question because it gave me the opportunity to explain myself with the group classes should die comment that I've made more than once. And this is a perfect example of how I would still find a way to modify that. You know, it's like, yes, the ultimate goal is for us to get moved for all the way into just just training, traditional training by yourself. But I trained so many people like this

Starting point is 01:31:33 that I couldn't just rip the bandaid off. I had to slowly like build the confidence. And that's where something like this, I get it. I understand that because I obviously trained a lot of people like that on okay That's okay. We can still kind of use it right now This is how I want you to modify it But then the goal is to move you over in this direction and trust me once I get you there. You're gonna be so happy, you know

Starting point is 01:31:55 Our next caller is Amy from Florida Amy. How's it going? How can we help you? Hey guys? Good. How are you good? Good? How can we help you? Hey guys, good. How are you? Good. Thanks for having me. So I have a question that I've not heard answered in any form yet. I've been listening for a few years. That's amazing.

Starting point is 01:32:13 Here we go. So if my goal is to lose body fat, it seems being also what's the best way to do that if I can't think soon to the big four compound lifts. Let's first figure out. Tell us why we can't do soon the big four compound lifts. Let's first figure out. Yeah, why tell us why we can't do the big lifts again. Yeah, so I've been weightlifting since high school. In my mid 30s, I got it's power lifting. So I've been lifting for a long time and it's sort of a

Starting point is 01:32:37 accumulated sminjuries. I have a bicep tier. So I had a bicep tier two surgeries to repair that. I have a biceps tear, or I had a biceps tear, two surgeries to repair that. I have a slight shoulder separation. I've got sacrilyliitis in my back, which is fairly new. And then as a public day is ago, I found out I have a sororiness. So I'll play care there.

Starting point is 01:32:59 So let me tell you what I'm trying to do to spot in your bench, your overhead flexing. It's pretty painful know, not ideal. Okay. By the way, for clarification, I'm reading your question here. You competed in powerlifting at an extremely high level. You have a, uh, let's see here multiple state and national records and one world record squat. I did. I want to book out. Wow.. What was your what was that squat

Starting point is 01:33:27 number at what body weight just just for fun? 341? Wow that's awesome okay so look here's the deal the reason obviously I don't need to tell you this, the reason why you have hit some of these injuries, or you have this accumulation of injuries, is you went beyond strength training for health and mobility and fitness into extreme performance. Competitive.

Starting point is 01:33:59 Competitive extreme performance, it's just a part of the game. You sacrifice things like longevity and health for high level performance. That being said, here's a deal. It's unlikely, it's very unlikely that you can never or shouldn't ever squat, deadlift, bench press or overhead press.

Starting point is 01:34:21 It's very likely that you're gonna need to do some targeted, let's say, mobility and correctional exercise work and work your way into being able to do those exercises again. But not train them like you did at the level that you were at. Okay. So in other words, I mean, you squatted a tremendous amount of weight. I don't even think you probably would want to work out with half that much. You don't even think you probably would want to work out with half that much. Don't even need half. You know, now. Tipelline or work and unilateral work.

Starting point is 01:34:48 There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, honestly, you've been living in that to a sagittal plane for so long at such a high level, you know, your body could benefit so much from just moving differently and strengthening other ranges of motion. And so if that's your focus, even that that's for a few years, there's nothing wrong with diving full on, full deep in that direction. I see map symmetry,

Starting point is 01:35:13 which is laid out with isometric first, then unilateral, and then a final phase of bilateral work. But when you get to the final phase, you go super light, super light, and super light for you is less than 50% of what you're used to moving the barbell at. Just make the weight feel heavy within. And then you move from a program like that

Starting point is 01:35:31 to like a maps performance. That type of training for you, especially with your expertise and your ability to do good form and technique, that should be your focus. Amy, you know what the challenge is gonna be with you? Right. This is not wanting to go heavy. Yeah, I have your strongest look.

Starting point is 01:35:47 Yeah, your challenge has nothing to do with the exercises with you. Squats, deadlift, bench presses, overhead presses, when done a particular way are extremely restorative and protective on the body, okay? The challenge is not the exercises. The challenge is gonna be how you do the exercises and the mentality of your workouts. Training at the level that you trained at, it's probably, you're probably even going to be unaware that you're going to push beyond

Starting point is 01:36:14 what you're supposed to. I will encourage you to do this. This is something that I think Powerlifter can benefit from tremendously. When you do your lifts at your level, you're so focused on leverage and biomechanical advantage that you're not even thinking about, do I feel this in my shoulders, in my back, or my chest, or anything like that. I want you to start training, follow our programs, and think like a bodybuilder.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Do I feel this in my hamstring? Do I feel this in my delt? Do I feel this in my midstring? Do I feel this in my delt? Do I feel this in my mid back? Focus on muscle connection. It's gonna be totally foreign to you, but I think that's gonna help keep you away from the kind and style of training that kind of caused some of these problems

Starting point is 01:36:57 in the first place. Map symmetry is a perfect program. It's perfect for you, and it sets you up for exactly that, because you're not even gonna worry about any of these big compound lifts until the end of the program. And don't look at the weight on the bars. It's gonna be so hard for you to look at the weight and be like, this is stupid, I wanna lift way more.

Starting point is 01:37:11 Don't worry about it, focus on the feel, go slow, control. The first two weeks is all isometrics, don't skip that. I know you're gonna wanna skip that, don't skip that. And just do it the way that we're saying. And you're gonna go, you're gonna get, you're gonna go real far. You're gonna feel really good, don't skip that. And just do it the way that we're saying. And you're gonna go, you're gonna go real far. You're gonna feel really good if you do it that way. A good way, a good piece of advice for an X power lifter,

Starting point is 01:37:32 moving in this direction. And obviously knowing that you're gonna have a challenge with reducing the weight significantly is become obsessed with the negative. Become obsessed with lowering the weight extremely slow in all the movements that you're doing and feeling connected and the muscles like sourcing like that. Power lifters are so focused on the explosion, the leverage, and the technique of moving the bar hard and fast. This way now you're shifting over to slowing it way down, feeling the muscles like sourcing, literally become obsessed with the eccentric portion of the exercise.

Starting point is 01:38:05 Let me emphasize the feel the muscle part, because power lifters do go slow on the negative, but they don't go slow the same way a body builder would. A power lifter is going slow on the negative to maximize leverage for the lift. They want to stay in the groove, whereas a body builder is like, can I lower the bar and feel it in my chest?

Starting point is 01:38:22 Okay, so that's the big difference, okay? So it's not just about going slow on the negative, it's about feeling it in the target muscles, which is gonna help you avoid going in the direction that causes injuries in the first place. Okay. All right, so. I'm back in the back plotting at 185,

Starting point is 01:38:39 and probably too much right now. Yeah, I, like, do map symmetry is the perfect program to get into because you're going to do exercise you've never done before So you're probably not gonna you're not gonna know how to judge the weight anyway So just follow that program and then follow by master that's a perfect recommendation You got it thanks to calling in all right take care She's stronger than you All right, take care. She's strong on you. She's one of the point that I have.

Starting point is 01:39:04 She definitely is right now. Hey, you know, you know, I mean, it's good to point that out because people who don't understand strength training will often point to the extremes and say, oh, look, it's, you know, so dangerous or hurts you or whatever, it's like, look, you, when you do anything at an extremely high level,

Starting point is 01:39:23 you are sacrificed for the- Pressuring the hinges. You know, I mean, she just went to a level that not a lot of people can go. And she just went to the point where it's like, your body's so strong, it's gonna sort of alter and put wear and tear in your joints. So that's why for me, I kind of relate to this in a little bit,

Starting point is 01:39:42 not that I was like a high level power lifter, anything, but just doing squats, doing bench, doing overhead press, doing power cleans forever. I vowed to never do a power clean again. Like she's at that point, she's like, oh, I'm not gonna do, like I could tell what she's getting at. I don't wanna do any of these lifts anymore, they're just breaking me, right?

Starting point is 01:40:00 But she has a different relationship with it right now because of she was at such a high level. And so I actually went for a year, like away from it and just did nothing but body weight and got into Olympic rings and it was like the big the best thing I could have done to restore my joint health and stability. But you know, thankfully we have a program that sort of like guides her through that process. Well, I'm glad you went that way, Justin, because another thing I was gonna add, hopefully that she listens to this, is that even though symmetry is laid out for you to move into the bilateral stuff at the end,

Starting point is 01:40:30 there's nothing wrong with you repeating the phase before and staying unilathing. I'm not going there. If you, and because Justin, you said something that was my concern, is that she knows herself better than we know her. And she knows that when she does the squat over at these big lifts,

Starting point is 01:40:45 that she keeps getting hurt because her tendency is to push the weight and she's going to feel like she's not doing anything, especially if she starts to feel good. Right. So if you listen to this, Amy, and you do know that you will have this tendency to keep wanting to put weight on the bar because you know you can because you were so much, you're so strong, there is nothing wrong with you actually, not doing those lifts and repeating the phase before and staying in a lot of performance is mostly unilateral stuff. If it's not, you can change out your squat for Bulgarian split stance or lunges or step

Starting point is 01:41:14 ups. So you know how to do that because your advanced lift or just supplement some of those exercises. If you know that you have a tendency to do that and there is nothing wrong with someone at her level just ignoring those lifts for a year until you've got total ice where you know you won't do that. Our next caller is Giannis from Greece. Giannis, how's it going man? How can I help you? Hey guys, first of all thank you very much for having me.

Starting point is 01:41:41 I'm very grateful for all the content that you that you produce. It's been really helpful to me especially because since I'm in the beginning of my journey. Yeah, so I have two questions for you tonight. Today, I want to relate to nutrition and another one more about workout tags if I could say. Yeah, let's do man. So if it's fine, I would rather read the question that I wrote. So yeah, as many hit the one gram of protein per pound of body weight while in a cat, would there be any benefit in terms of muscle building or at least muscle preservation by consuming more calories

Starting point is 01:42:23 and increasing the deficit through additional low-intensity cardio sets of walking. For example, is there a difference between eating 25 calories and burning 500 for for activity compared to eating 3000 and burning 1000? I'm asking that question because I've heard you advised many times, still listeners to cut on a higher calorie index by first reverse dieting. So I guess it's kind of similar. That's a good question. Yeah. Okay. So Gianna, I'm going to rephrase this.

Starting point is 01:42:53 It's a great question. For someone listening, it's like, okay, I'm at a certain amount of calories. My protein intake is good. Would I get better results if I increase my calories and then burn those off through additional activity? Okay, so that's kind of what you're asking. It all depends on your total activity and recovery. If you're relatively sedentary, then the increased calories and increased activities probably gonna help. It'll just be better for your health. If you're already really active

Starting point is 01:43:21 and you're kind of pushing the limit with your training, then increasing calories and increasing activity might actually backfire. Yeah, depending on your recovery a lot. Yeah, so like, are you a very active person anyway or would you say you're mostly, you're relatively sedentary? I mean, I play basketball twice a week. I also cycle. So I was thinking mostly about working because I've heard many times

Starting point is 01:43:48 talking about working that it's like this harmless kind of activity or did I? You're fine. Get that wrong. Yeah. You're fine, Janice. All right. Yeah. I would I think you're you don't need to add calories and add activity.

Starting point is 01:43:59 You're doing plenty of activity. Yeah. But I would actually play with adding calories anyway, with your activity and what you're doing. How many calories you're eating right now on a daily basis? I mean, I try to increase it. I've been trying to be more serious about fitness and diving for a year now. So in the beginning, I did a very,

Starting point is 01:44:25 a deep cut, like I could say 1800 but now I've been to 2500 on a cut I've started to increase it also to 3500 and see if I will gain any weight again very slowly some some kilograms like a half a kilogram in two weeks With 3500 so I guess that's good. Yeah, that means you're low on Yeah, increase your calories. Yeah, go up to at least 3000 or or not 3500 and then keep everything the same You'll see more muscle gains and strength gains. Yeah All right, awesome. Thanks. Yeah, no problem. And then you had another question with exercise Yeah, yeah, the other question is more about exercise. So as many people I guess, I don't really

Starting point is 01:45:10 enjoy going to the gym, which is next to my home, especially during Rasa, which is most convenient for me. And actually, I found that I'm at Matt's rather, work out with bands at home. On the other hand, there is a gym in my workplace where I can do free weight stuff, pretty. Once a week. Do you think it would be worthwhile to go to the gym?

Starting point is 01:45:38 Once a week for free weight, a full body, and two extra full body workouts at workouts at home with bands or statistic with a band only home workouts. Oh, I'd be great to go to the gym one day a week for like doing. You'll get better results. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The combination of two those would be awesome. Yeah, that's a great combination. I would I would run like a map Santa Ballek workout. So pick one of the map Santa Ballek. If you don't have that, we can send that to you. So I'd run one of the days full body of the gym and then the, if you don't have that, we can send that to you. So I'd run one of the days, full body of the gym, and then the other two days, like a

Starting point is 01:46:09 band's routine, and I think that's great. Yeah, and with the bump in calories, you're going to see some strength and muscle gains, for sure. So instead of, I'm not sure about mountaineering, but one day per week or three days. Maps and a ball gives you two workouts you can do a week, you can choose to repeat one of the workouts to go three days a week, but if you only go into the gym one day a week, pick one of the workouts, do that workout at the gym,

Starting point is 01:46:34 and then the other two with your band workouts that you do at home and you're fine. Yeah, it's full body. Okay, so that's why we can do that like one day a week and we can cover it. I think you're gonna get phenomenal results doing that by the way. Yeah, you can cover it. I think you're gonna get phenomenal results doing that by the way.

Starting point is 01:46:46 Yeah, you'll do exactly. Okay, awesome, thanks. That's it, that's it. That's it. Yeah, you got it, man, thanks for calling in. Appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:46:56 See you. You know, the Greeks and the Italians are very closely related. One of my favorites going, that just it's hilarious. I have a lot of Greek friends. What's funny is that I was gonna tease him because my Greek friends, whenever we get into debates, who invented what?

Starting point is 01:47:10 Yes, I was literally gonna say, my buddies that are all Greek always talk shit, like they all came for them first. Italians want to take the credit for all this stuff and they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Wars happened a thousand of years ago. Yes, like, old ass shit like that. No, no, no, no, we invented that. My buddy Spiro no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, so I mean, great question. It's interesting is he's cat. I mean, bro, he ate 3,500 gain a half a kilo.

Starting point is 01:47:46 Two weeks. Yeah, that's a, that's a, he's gonna build muscle. That's a quick indicator. You need to bump your cow. But okay, so I do want to address a little bit further in his question because I really like that, to talk about that because,

Starting point is 01:47:58 and you went the health way, so which was great because I wasn't gonna go the house, I'm gonna go purely off of results. And, but that is the right question is first, like, are you an inactive person? Because if you're an inactive person, you know, you should incorporate some sort of movement. Yeah. If you're not doing even, you know, 6,000 steps a day, you better get out there, at least

Starting point is 01:48:16 do that, right? That'll be for health reasons. But I always liked manipulating my nutrients, my calories, before I ever played with more activity. And the reason why that is, because anytime you're on a diet, we're on a mission to change body composition. You're trying to get leaner or you're trying to build more muscle. And so I wanna do that with this little activity

Starting point is 01:48:44 as I possibly can, that way it's more sustainable when I get there, because when I get to that goal, okay, oh great, I'm shredded, but if I did that through seven days a week, two hours in the gym, the likelihood that I'm going to maintain that first in my life is very low. So I want to manipulate the nutrition, and I want to use the extra activity to like,

Starting point is 01:49:01 maybe get me through a hump or a plateau or that last bit. Yeah, it's easier to add in a little bit of that exercise if you need it. Yes, right, right, right, right, right, right, right? Well, just to add to that, imagine if when you were controlling your calories, you could eat something that was 500 calories and it could mysteriously turn into 300 calories

Starting point is 01:49:18 or 800 calories, how hard would that be to control? This is how your metabolism works when you try to manipulate your calorie burn through activity. You may burn an extra 500 calories through activity today, but doing the exact same activity over the next few weeks, all of a sudden your body doesn't work like cleanly. No, your body changes how many calories it burns and uses. And so it's a very hard metric to be accurate with calories. I mean, if I have 300 grams of protein, or 300 grams of carbs or whatever, like I know what the calories are,

Starting point is 01:49:51 it's not gonna mysteriously change or adapt as a consumer, but my metabolism can. So that's really just support what you said. And to add even more to that is that what makes that so great is when you don't add all that activity and you've learned to manage wherever your body composition is through calories, then let's say you got, and this is how I lived to this day, right? This is how I manage my diet and my body composition today.

Starting point is 01:50:15 And then I have something that's coming up in, say, two or three weeks, I can ramp up the activity and my body responds right away, because it's novel. Because I wasn't doing it every single day just to have that physique or that body fat percentage. And so then it allows me to introduce something like that for a short period of time to really lean out. And boy, the body responds because it's not something you're already adapted to. Perfect.

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