Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2138: How Muscle Affects Testosterone Levels, the Best Low Cost Protein Sources, Reverse Dieting at a Higher Body Fat Percentage & More

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Starting point is 00:01:47 is 50% off. Go check it out, go to anabolicadvanced.com and then use the coupon code August 50 for that discount. All right, here comes the show. Pay close attention. Progress from exercise is not always fat loss, muscle gain or enhancements and athletic performance. There are things you can pay attention to that will show you that you're moving forward.

Starting point is 00:02:10 In fact, you should pay attention to all the signs that we can get a complete picture of what fitness can actually do for you. This was a game changer for clients. This is one of my favorite tips that you've done in a while because one of the hardest challenges as a trainer and coach when you get a client is convincing them that they're actually doing really good when they're so stuck on a goal, like let's say lose 30 pounds. Right? That's such a common, I want to lose 30 pounds, I want to lose 30 pounds and it's all about the scale.

Starting point is 00:02:42 So you first as a coach have this like hurdle, big hurdle that you have to get over, which is explaining to them that I know that you have this number in your head that you were and you felt better than what you were now, but that's not the main metric that we should focus on. So that's already a big enough hurdle to even get over that and then getting them to really be able to see the other things that are improving in their life because they're still so even when they think they've moved past the weight thing Like okay, I agree with you. I get it. I get I get the science of explaining the muscle metabolism thing Okay, I get all that but I still want to be smaller in the back of their head

Starting point is 00:03:17 And then they're seeing things like they're sleeping better and their sex drive is better and their skin is better And people are telling them, God, you look good with that, but the scale's not moving. And so they're like, I don't understand, I'm not seeing my results I want. And so, man, I think this is such a good tip is for people to really start to learn to look at all the other things that exercise

Starting point is 00:03:38 and eating good impacts. Yeah, there's so many things, so many factors. And that really is like the biggest part of our job as personal trainers is to make sure that we highlight those things, because it isn't obvious a lot of times. And again, a lot of these things kind of reveal themselves probably later on in the journey, but to be able to know that things are happening and, you know, the way, even my mental health,

Starting point is 00:04:04 the way I'm looking at things, like me personally improving myself is going to translate to a lot of different things with relationships with work and just my overall drive to be a better person. Yeah, this is really about human behavior. To use an analogy, like if you look straight ahead, there are things within your vision that you see, but you don't necessarily perceive because you're not focused on them. Another example would be, and I'm going to, this is going to make everybody annoyed, but

Starting point is 00:04:31 you always see your nose when you're looking at something. Your nose is always in your vision, but your brain ignores it because you're not focusing on it. All right, so what does this have to do with what we're talking about? Great. Now I've seen mine. Yeah, now you can see the whole time. That's a big nose.

Starting point is 00:04:44 It's like manually breathing. It's because we what we focus on is what we see and all the other stuff we tend to ignore. So it's not that these people aren't necessarily getting these these results or there's there's progress. It's that they almost they're ignoring it and they're focusing so heavily on something like the scale. So what ends up happening is they have all these amazing metrics which are going to happen. Like if you go from inactive to active, you do it properly, you go from eating poorly

Starting point is 00:05:13 to eating better and you do it appropriately, you're gonna feel better. You're gonna have better sleep. You're gonna have better energy. You're gonna have better moods. You're going to have a better sex drive. You're gonna feel less pain. but you're not gonna notice those things if you're so hyper focused on the 30 pound goal or the goal to hit a PR,

Starting point is 00:05:34 whatever your goal is. So what's interesting to me is when I figured this out, this is how I figured it out. I would get, because when I first became a trainer, I'm sure you guys did the same thing, I also would hyper focus on the goal. Oh, you wanna lose 30 pounds? That's all we're gonna focus on. Yeah. And I'm sure you guys did the same thing. I also would hyper focus on the goal. Oh, you want to lose 30 pounds? That's all we're going to focus on. And I'm not going to even pay attention to this stuff because I'm going to get you the

Starting point is 00:05:49 goal that you paid me $1,000 higher to get you to or whatever. I remember at one point, my client was commenting on something. I remember exactly what it was. I think it was something along the lines of like their sleep or something. And I remember their sleep was so bad before. And I said, oh, what? I said, your sleep. it was really bad before. And she stopped.

Starting point is 00:06:07 She goes, oh my God, I haven't been sleeping this good in years. She's like, you're right, the last week has been amazing. Does exercise do that? And I'm like, yeah, it does do that. I mean, definitely improve your sleep. And I remember the shock coming from her voice that she just realized something that's been happening for the last week. And then I remembered, oh, like I need to help these people focus on all these other things because

Starting point is 00:06:31 what it does is it paints a complete picture because here's the reality. You want to lose 30 pounds and you do lose the 30 pounds. Now what? Why do you keep exercising to lose another 30 pounds? Like, why would you keep doing this? By the way, people who do this consistently for years and years and years, eventually figure this out. You ask anybody who's been consistent with exercise for 10 years.

Starting point is 00:06:52 You have to. They, yeah. You have to because at one point, the other goal becomes so superficial and you've already proven yourself you can do it. And what are you gonna do? Keep that interesting that we went this direction and at the point, I love the point that Justin

Starting point is 00:07:04 that you made up because I literally just had this moment in the last week where, so at our house, I've told you guys before our routine kind of is that I'm the one that kind of straightens up the house and keeps cause I like it like super, super clean, like nothing out anywhere, right? So I'm the one who does that most of the time.

Starting point is 00:07:22 And I noticed, not only did I notice Katrina, even noticed because she said something to me about me slipping on some of the stuff. And I'm just like, and of course a part of me gets irritated as the initial reaction that I realized, no, that is my part of what I do. What I've already connected before is when I'm really consistent with my training, I come home

Starting point is 00:07:40 with this different energy to keep my household and order and to do that stuff. And like, I don't walk in the door and like, blah, blah. In the car, long day today or whatever like that. Or go back on my phone or get on the computer, right? I come home and I make my house in order. And I enjoy that. And I have the energy to do that, the motivation to do that.

Starting point is 00:07:57 When I don't, when I'm inconsistent with my training, that becomes inconsistent. And so I've learned to tie my consistency around exercise into being a better husband and a better father and a better homekeeper or leader in my home. And so, and, because I've already proven to myself what I could do physically, body fat percentage wise, muscle wise, also with that,

Starting point is 00:08:17 like that doesn't motivate me anymore. Like I, because it's a superficial goal. And it doesn't mean it's not that someone shouldn't have that at one point or I don't think there's tons of value and getting ripped and doing it. There's lots of value and all that stuff. But eventually that superficial goal, you don't care about anymore. And so you have to find something that is deeper, that is more important than just the way you look.

Starting point is 00:08:41 And once you learn to really attach to those things, it's much easier to stay consistent for those reasons. Now here's how we're gonna tie it together and sell it, because the other half of this, the challenge with this, is trying to sell this to somebody who's just so focused on weight loss that they're like, that's nice, that sounds great. Like I still just wanna lose.

Starting point is 00:09:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still got a hundred pounds to go. Yeah, so here's how I'm gonna tie it together and sell it, and this is true. So this is a hundred pounds to go. Yeah, so here's how I'm going to tie it together and sell it, and this is true. So this is 100% accurate. Can you, so I'll ask the question, can you lose 30 pounds and feel worse, get worse sleep, feel like shit, make your health worse?

Starting point is 00:09:16 Yes, you can, of course. You absolutely can. Now, will you lose 30 pounds if you start to feel better, if you start to sleep better, if you start to get a better attitude, if you improve your mobility, if you start to feel better, if you start to sleep better, if you start to get a better attitude, if you improve your mobility, if you improve your strength, if you improve your energy, probably. So in essence, what we're saying is the things that you should focus on, which actually give you the complete picture, are the ones that also lead you to that goal that you want, that goal

Starting point is 00:09:42 that you want. You're so focused on, the aesthetic goal, the weight loss goal, whatever. If you just focus on that, there's a very good chance. You'll ignore everything else and you'll sacrifice everything else. And then here's the kicker. Not only will your health get worse and you'll feel worse,

Starting point is 00:09:55 you won't even hit your goal. You've actually thrown it all out the window. So, and that ties it together and sells it because, fine, you're just focused on weight loss. Here's how you're going to lose weight anyway. Still do what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, this was such a paradigm shift for my clients. This I would say, and there's a lot of things that play a role, but this is probably number

Starting point is 00:10:19 one in getting my clients to finally, or at least figuring out the path toward developing a lifelong relationship with exercise. When I figured this piece out, this is when the door opened for my clients and I said, oh, this is exactly what I need to focus on. And what happened was my success rate, and my client's success rate went through the roof. But when I didn't figure this out, it was terrible.

Starting point is 00:10:44 I wonder what I would classify someone who's got to this place, like, I mean, are you a black belt at this point? Because this is something that I feel like, to this day, like, it's still an evolution and getting better and better. Like, that's a big step to get to that place, right? Like, I think there's, I think there's a lot of steps before someone really truly can attach like they're, they're, because you can say it all you want, but we're mostly driven by our insecurities, you know, especially at the beginning when it comes to body composition change and working out and exercising nutrition, all that stuff like that. So it does, it is quite the evolution. So don't be discouraged if you're someone listening right now and you know you need to lose 50 pounds or whatever,

Starting point is 00:11:28 because you know what your doctor's told it, you've been trying to do it. And you also are not at a place yet where you're like, oh, I can connect it to keeping the house clean. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't make you a failure at all, but that's the place you want to get to. You want to get to a place where the reflection in the mirror, the weight on the scale,

Starting point is 00:11:46 the way you look is not what is driving the decision. It's all the other things that health and fitness and exercise and making good healthy choices does for you besides that. Yeah, well, I think it's a good visual to look at it is almost like that white belt that's coming in. Sure, there may be some outliers that will get it right away and all of a sudden they just advance and they work their way up and they get a black belt within a year or two or something like ridiculous. And there's some people who take quite a lot longer, they have to get through and stumble through a lot of these ideas on their own. And really, that's why this is such an individual journey.

Starting point is 00:12:30 And this is like, you know, as trainers, you're just there as like sort of this, this oracle. You're just there to kind of guide them wherever their mental state is. Like, okay, if you're here, like let's focus on this. And then like you really try to just, you know, drive their attention towards these things that are more beneficial to focus on. But it's not, it's not just innate. It's not something that you just get it right away. Like you do have to work at it.

Starting point is 00:12:53 I am so glad you guys use the belt ranking system as an analogy because there's more to it than what you guys are saying. And so this is actually what it's like. It's a purple belt look like. Yeah. You know, I have one of those. You know what, okay, so it's a beautiful analogy, precisely because of the following. The belt systems and martial arts were invented later. They were invented later because people like to,

Starting point is 00:13:16 they like a visual of their progress, but they were never meant to show somebody reaching a destination. Martial arts is a pursuit Marshall Arts is a journey. It's not like you're there, you're done. Now the data and the statistics on this is fascinating. You can actually look this up. If you look at the stick rate or the quit rate,

Starting point is 00:13:34 I should say, among white belts and yellow belts and green belts and purple belts or whatever blue belts, purple belts, brown belts, black belts, as somebody gets better, the quit rate goes down, not up. So as they get better, they realize more and more, this is not a destination, this is just, so black belts are far less likely to quit

Starting point is 00:13:55 than a purple belt, who is also far less likely to quit than a blue belt and so on. So what's the point with this? I'll use another analogy. There's a path towards improving yourself and becoming a better person, becoming healthier, improving your fitness. There's a path. There's also a path that takes you in the opposite and wrong direction. What we're talking about is not, hey, look, there's the destination. Get there. You're done. No, no,

Starting point is 00:14:18 it's just the path. It's a never ending path, by the way. There is no you get there. You die at some point. So that's basically where you get. Now what we're talking about is a flashlight. Where you shine the flashlight is where you put your steps. That's all. So if I'm putting my flashlight on how I feel, the other effects of exercise, my mood, my energy, I'm walking on the right path.

Starting point is 00:14:40 I'm walking on the path that continues to improve me. If I take that flashlight and move it towards the path of just the mirror, just the scale, comparing myself to others, you know the rest, right? Insecurities, I'm going to walk on that path. We know where that path leads. It leads us towards, no, we're good. That's all it is. So don't think of this as a, I'm going to get there one day. I'm not there. I'll never get there. No one in this room is ever going to get there. It's just you it's where you've trying to flashlight. Now the exciting and motivating point to learning to put your flashlight on these things that we're talking about instead of the scale, the body fat, the the mere reflection is that you can instantly start to win. Totally. Where you can't do that. If

Starting point is 00:15:24 you have a 50 pound goal or I want to look shredded like you're going to see that. That's start to win. Totally. Where you can't do that. If you have a 50 pound goal, or I wanna look shredded, like, you're gonna see that. That's a long journey. So, and the steps to get there are tiny. And there's a lot of actually setbacks on the way to that long journey. But when you have goals,

Starting point is 00:15:39 like when you were focused on my sleep, my energy, my attitude, making me a better father, a better husband, all these other things that- Well, the fact that I accomplished this today. Right. When you focus on all those things, those things are like immediate. Yep. You get a good workout in, you make a good choice of eating all day,

Starting point is 00:15:55 your digestion will immediately start to feel better, your sleep will probably be better, your mood will start to increase, you'll probably have a better attitude, like your energy level, like dude, like right away you start compiling the wins. And when you're focused on the wins, it's really motivating to keep,

Starting point is 00:16:11 and who cares, oh, the scale went back a pound or two on my gold to 50 pounds, but man, I had the best sleep I ever had, and I had the best sex ever had the other day. Like you're concentrated on those things. You ain't tripping about the one or two pounds setbacks here and there on the big one. You know what, it's a wonderful feeling.

Starting point is 00:16:28 This is a wonderful feeling. I'm doing this. Oh my God, I feel good. This is great. Wow, I'm moving in the right direction, way myself, what? I lost 10 pounds. Surprise.

Starting point is 00:16:38 That is an incredible, I can't love that. Yeah, it's like, oh my God, I can't believe this happened. I've lost 10 pounds. Well, you're moving in the right direction. By the way, just to highlight how powerful this is, what we're saying, this used to happen all the time. So someone might be listening, like, well, how do you not recognize that you feel better? How do you not recognize it yet? But I'm saying, oh, you're even louder signal that people would ignore at the time. I would have to point out to clients that their back doesn't hurt anymore after 10 years

Starting point is 00:17:04 of back pain. Yeah, okay We would do an exercise. They would do it and be like John do you remember last week? How much your back hurt you couldn't do that and then they go oh my god, you're right my back doesn't hurt anymore That's how much Uneawareness we can have over things because we're focused so that's how crippling it can be to focus on the aesthetic thing mainly That's how crippling it can be you focus on the aesthetic thing mainly. That's how crippling it can be. You're so crippled by that, you're so focused on the scale way or how you look

Starting point is 00:17:31 that you completely ignore these other things. And if you were asked in a category of, top 10 things you want to feel better, be better in your life, you would list. Pain, weakness, discomfort. Like those, I feel like a client coming in, don't even consider that a lot of times. Isn't that crazy? And it's like, again, yeah, you strengthen areas of your body,

Starting point is 00:17:49 obviously, and it just eliminates pain. And you're like, what? To me, that's where a lot of the hook starts to happen. It starts to really form the idea that, oh, wow, this is so much more than just me trying to come in and lose weight and get shredded. Yeah so awesome. Alright so since we're having fun and getting emotional here I'm just gonna stay on this little train here. So I gotta publicly say something nice about Adam. Can I open that? I feel like this is gonna be shit sandwich. No, this is a good sandwich. No, so my grandfather passed away. Oh God, don't talk about it.

Starting point is 00:18:29 You're gonna make me emotional. No, well, that's too bad. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and we all love him, it was very challenging for all of us. And Adam and his wife gave us just an incredibly thoughtful gift. And I don't even know if you realized just how thoughtful it was because it was like the perfect gift. Your family may realize us that which is what's going to make me emotional. Yeah, so they reserved or paid for, I should say, a bench in a county park here in the Bay Area. And it says on it in honor of my grandfather,

Starting point is 00:19:08 Giuseppe Visconti, you know, in parentheses, no, no. And now you have to wait six months for this to be made and also they told me when it first happened and I remember like, wow, and I thought, okay, I'm not gonna tell my family until it's done. Well, they got it yesterday, they sent me the picture of it and everything.

Starting point is 00:19:23 And I just so happened to be at my mom's house and I told my mom and my aunts, I got them all on FaceTime and it was a really, really touching moment. And I just wanna say, here's why it was so thoughtful. You didn't know my grandfather, but that would have been something that would lit him up forever. He's the kind of person, if there's a bench with his name on it,

Starting point is 00:19:48 he'd probably go take a walk every other day, look at it, take a picture of it, and show his friends and family. It was a big deal. Oh, Katrina and I were crying last night, because the family, not only did the Salis family call me and FaceTiming and then individually go around and thank us and then they got emotional. But then all night long I kept getting text messages from the family members, telling me how impactful that it was. Oh God, you guys are going to stop sending me this stuff right now. I'm getting all emotional. This was almost a year old. I can't

Starting point is 00:20:18 be took this long. The way this came out was Christmas last year. I wanted to do something for each of you guys that was thoughtful, right? It wasn't about the dollar amount or like a cool, it was more like, oh, what's something that I think that each guy would really want. And actually, when Katrina and I were sitting around, like Doug and Justin came to me really fast and easy and I'm like, God, Sal is so hard

Starting point is 00:20:41 because he's not a materialistic guy. He doesn't spend a lot of money on himself. And it's like, what is something that I think that he would really value or that he would really, really like. And it was right around the same time that he had passed. And Katrina and I were just like, you know, what could we do for the family

Starting point is 00:20:57 that's something like that? And it was actually her who was like digging around. And she's like, what if we did like a park bench? And I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, I think they would really like that. I think they would really value that. It's spread like wildfire throughout my family because I finally told them. And so like, uncles and cousins,

Starting point is 00:21:11 they wanna go, the people who are living California, they wanna visit. They wanna destination now. They wanna, yeah, they wanna walk up to the bench and take a picture on it. Yeah, that's interesting. And do all that. My dad's like, we should plant something next.

Starting point is 00:21:22 I don't like this, so. This is so interesting. I can't stress what a headache it is working with the city. Oh, bro, I mean, you all probably know, you're like, I want to pay for this. I'm going to give it to you. It was like, and then the follow up we all the time. Can you get me to the person who's because they have this site that you can go to and it and they make it seem like it's going to be an easy process.

Starting point is 00:21:42 Like, oh, yeah, you can get you can have a bench made. You do a couple that you can do a water fountain, you can do a bench, you can do like a shade covering thing that you can have at a park basically, and you donate X amount of dollars to do that. And so Katrina and I went through that product, I picked a book, boy, getting it actually done, and getting the city to take action.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I had to follow up like so many times, like, hey, we paid for this long ago. That's the other thing, that's the other to take action. I had to, we had to follow up like so many times. Like, hey, we paid for this long ago. Like, that's the other thing. That's the other side of it that made it so, that made it such a nice gift. I'm like, I know. Oh, the rickum raw, you gotta get through. The city, we're working with this.

Starting point is 00:22:16 I, and you guys probably remember this when you had your businesses, right? Cause when you have your own business, you have to do things like this with permits and whatever. It's like, God, it was always such a... I told you guys about when I got the got my unsecured property tax bill. Did I ever tell you about this?

Starting point is 00:22:29 When you own a business, I had my business in Los Gatos, right? I don't know if it was a Los Gatos or Santa Clara County thing. I can't remember, but you get a unsecured property tax bill. So what does that mean? Property tax, you own your house, you pay property on it. You own a business, you pay property on you on a business You pay an annual tax on the stuff that is in your business like your equipment So I know this sounds like bullshit and it is but whatever I have to pay this

Starting point is 00:22:55 So I had a small studio and every year I would pay a bill and the way that they would calculate the bill It was a percentage of the value of the equipment. Okay, well, when you got this bill, and it was like $40,000, I'm like, what is this? And I looked at it and they had some out some insane estimation of the equipment. I had already thousand dollars. I had dumbbells, a squat rack, adjustable bench, and a cable machine.

Starting point is 00:23:22 That's all I had in there, bands and shit like that. So I'm like, what, the work and effort it took to get to them, to fix, it cost me thousands of dollars, just to get the bill down to what I'm supposed to pay. And I never got that money back that I paid to try to, part of me is like, sometimes I feel like they screw things up on purpose. So you gotta come back and pay all the fines and fees.

Starting point is 00:23:42 It's so, I asked them, how did they get this estimation? You know what, they just guessed. Yeah, they just guessed. Nobody came into my studio. I was in the same process when I started to do outdoor boot camps, which I thought would be such a simple thing to start. You know what I'm saying? I don't really need anything.

Starting point is 00:23:57 Wait, hold on, what do you gotta do with that? You have to have a permit. You know, the part. You just use the park. And like the profit basically. The work, I think when I ended up doing actually, I don't think I ever in the park. Just to use the park, yeah. And like the profit basically. The work, I think what I ended up doing actually, I don't think I ever ended up getting my purpose. I think I ended up doing was saying, you know what,

Starting point is 00:24:11 effort, it was so difficult to get to the right person to give me the approval to allow me to hold these camps at the park. And I was just like, you know, it'd be better just to do it and then get the slap on the wrist because of the effort it took to just change locations. Like, yeah, I think it's what I did because every time I got past to someone else, they're like, oh, they don't have a specific category for fitness boot camps. There's like, it's like one of those things where it's like, there's categories of things

Starting point is 00:24:40 that can be held in a park and like boot camps, what at this time wasn't one of them. You could say it's a worship service and sets that tax free. And we worship, you know, we talk about that for a second. Okay, so there's this video that I was watching this guy's breaking down, basically Kardashians, you know, they have a church that they've basically like, haven't, like, I wanna say built,

Starting point is 00:25:03 but they've aligned with. And they have a preacher, so, who they recruited, I don't know if it's Chloe or whatever the hell their names are, one of them got married, right? And so, the mom called the wrong one the other day, remember when I said, I was like, I'm kidding, it was hot,

Starting point is 00:25:23 I was like, I'm talking to the dad, people. I'm kidding, fuck, I'm not telling you that. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. So the mom is like, yeah, the mastermind business lady, right? So basically, she found one of these preachers that lost his license to preach and got him to do the wedding. And this was all like a master plan

Starting point is 00:25:46 to then create this church, which then literally is a tax shelter because people can go in and they have mandatory donations of 10% for tithing, which then goes to the mom. And so let's say the kids want to donate all this money to the church. And then that goes through.

Starting point is 00:26:03 It basically goes to the mom. The mom gives it back to the church. And then that goes through. They don't go there and go to the mom. The mom gives it back to the kids. And again, this is like maybe, you know, maybe it's not like totally confirmed, but this is like some kind of a scheme that's very... You know, that does remind me of the new mind-pump church that we're starting. Yeah, that's the same.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Why aren't we in on this? Are you guys tied up on the righteous gemstones yet? No. Oh, you are. It was so good. It was caught up on the righteous Gymsomes yet? No. Oh, you are. It was so good. It was so good. So this is a real thing. Really good.

Starting point is 00:26:29 Doug pulled it up. Chris founded the California Community Church in 2009. It was previously known as the California Community Church. And it's lead pastor is Brad Johnson. Huh. Yeah. What does it say? Suspicious fans think Chris Jenner founded a church for what?

Starting point is 00:26:44 For money laundering probably yeah probably it's because it's yeah because it's tax-free wow so I mean I there's loopholes and what percentage of people try and cheat their taxes well you know what the stats are on that I would say it's a massive number right right and so I I don't think I I don't think I judge somebody so much for doing that but when you bring in God and judge it, exactly. That's like, you're asking for it. Listen, you're like, lightning is coming your way.

Starting point is 00:27:11 Try and do it for you should do it in every way. This is like, oh, you want to keep it in your mind? That's cool. Oh, wait, you're using my name to do it? No, no, no, no, no. Not so. No, we're not going to be okay. I, you know, I still love it.

Starting point is 00:27:21 When people tell me how much, how great it is, like, we need to pay more taxes or whatever, I say, you know, there's a line on your tax code. They're like, when you get your taxes, you pay more if you want. You can actually voluntarily pay more. Do you ever do that? Nobody does that.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Nobody gets their taxes and goes, you know what, I'm gonna give more. Yeah, so we got this. Let's let somebody else try and figure out how to spend my money. They spend it really well. I like the way that they spend this money. I, you know, someone was breaking down one time

Starting point is 00:27:46 when you factor in like the taxes that you're talking about with the property, with the sales tax, with the income tax. Like the amount of times like a dollar is taxed. For the, it's like crazy. Did you know the average person, the average person who pays taxes works. I believe four months out of the year for the government. So if you did the math, think of it this way.

Starting point is 00:28:10 And now people get really weird when this is presented this way. And I understand why it's not exactly the same thing. Technically it is, but it's not exactly the same thing. But you're literally forced to work for someone else through threat of jail or violence or whatever, right? but you're literally forced to work for someone else, through threat of jail or violence or whatever. So you're literally, it's like you work for me,

Starting point is 00:28:32 and if you don't, you're gonna jail, there's a word for that. And it's like three to four months out of the year. So three to four months out of the year, you're working for someone else, and it's not for you, you can't do think about it. Wow, much huh? Yeah, well, I mean, if you pay 40% taxes, that's actually more than that one.

Starting point is 00:28:48 If you pay 40% income taxes alone, that's gonna be 40% of your time. Yeah. But you add everything else in, I know, it's an interesting. You know, people should be paid, they should do all their taxes upfront at the beginning of the year.

Starting point is 00:29:00 The company should collect all the taxes from all of their income for the first four months. So the first four months, people take home nothing. And then they get their money at the back half of the year. They'd really feel the pain, right? So now you really know what you're paying. Oh, man. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:16 I know. That was so... It wouldn't be so bad if we had a way more efficient government. I mean, it wouldn't be so bad. Right. If you actually, it was transparent, you. Right, if you actually was transparent, you could see where all that money was being allocated. You could see like communities being uplifted.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Yeah, cut them some slack. I mean, they lost a billion dollars to the day they don't know where it went. Yeah, just a little minor accounting errors. Yeah, for billions of dollars. Hey, did you guys, you guys saw the day in the life I did, and I went to my parents house and filmed it? Oh my God, I had so much fun doing that.

Starting point is 00:29:48 I actually wanted to see that, I want to see that drawing or painting of Jesus in person, it's words. So it's a, what is it called? Like are they written really tiny? Is that what you're gonna be? Wow, you couldn't tell on the camera, so. So it's the entire, so this is at my mom's house.

Starting point is 00:30:03 It's the entire New Testament written, but then the way that they, and it's very, very, very tiny, you have to use a magnifying glass to read it, but it's there. And you, but you the way that it's shaded, it's a painting of Jesus. So, and it's, and underneath it,

Starting point is 00:30:17 it says the word becomes flesh. I think that's, that's cool. Yeah, and I think it's a replica of a famous painting or whatever Someone parents that's cool, but it was funny cuz I was filming the house and My mom is just she's in the background, you know show show wait. Hey, don't show I didn't show this I didn't put all the oil on it. Yeah, there's one scene where I'm showing that my mom made panelli This is a desert is that what that is? Oh, so a traditional Sicilian street food and it's made with chickpea flour.

Starting point is 00:30:47 They turn them into the square like little pancake looking things and then you fry them and you're supposed to eat them with lemon salt and oftentimes people will put them in bread. Oh, interesting. And you buy them on the street. It's a very famous Sicilian bread. So yeah, so if you go like into go into the squares and Sicilian towns, especially at night or whatever, people are selling food, you'll see Panelli.

Starting point is 00:31:09 So she made them the other night and then she rewarm them up for me because she had saved some for me. So first off, she's like, if you're gonna film, you make sure you tell them that this isn't fresh. That you rewarm them. I don't know. And then while I'm filming it,

Starting point is 00:31:24 you see her slide the bread next to it? Yeah. Show the bread. Show the bread. I love seeing too, like all of the fruit trees and the vegetable, like Courtney just got kind of a little bit into it, dipping her toes into it, but like to bring all that into the salad,

Starting point is 00:31:42 to bring all that into like dinners, like it's right there, you grow it, it's for, I don't know, there's something totally different. You guys thought I want my wife to eat. I love that. You guys not exaggerated that. Okay, so this is a typical, yeah, you got like everything there.

Starting point is 00:31:55 San Jose backyard. There's not like eight small, it's just a little backyard. Yeah, it's very small. Oh, dude, it's, it's my dad turned all of it, except for a square of grass in the patio area where we have Sunday dinner.

Starting point is 00:32:04 All of it is like something you could eat. Yeah, something. Oh, and he loves it. Now that's a lot for just him. So I imagine you guys probably give a lot to your family. Is that what they do? They'll give, yes, they'll give it. So that's a lot for just two people.

Starting point is 00:32:16 Oh, so Jessica gets annoyed because, well, first off, my culture is that they will feed you and give you more than you ask for. And they're insistent. And I'm used to it, I get it, right? It's just like, my mom will say, do you want some? No, I don't, I'm gonna hear it 15 more times and she's gonna follow me around like this, just whatever.

Starting point is 00:32:35 If you're not used to it, it could be annoying. It's like, I thought I told you no, you know, four times. So my mom and dad will be like, hey, do you guys want, you guys want some persimmons? Now we're cool, we end up throwing them away. What would it be, just give you five? No, no, I don't want any, you like, hey, do you guys want some persimmons? Now we're cool, we end up throwing them away. What would just give you five? No, no, I don't want any, you know, three, what if we give you three?

Starting point is 00:32:49 We'll give you three. And then on the way out, my dad will show up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, forget this. He'll show up with the bag as you're leaving and open your car door. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, as you drive away. So we always leave with like, we don't just do the same thing. Yeah. It's always like that.

Starting point is 00:33:09 It's so good. I know, so that's, but yeah, I had the green beans, my dad grows these long green beans, and they're so good. My mom will boil them, and then all of oil and a little seasoning. Oh, it's the best, man.

Starting point is 00:33:21 So I just crushed, yeah. We had some lamb shank in that. It was a good time. So I've been so excited. It's not often that I get excited about one of our commercials that we do. What? But I have been so impressed with the eight sleep.

Starting point is 00:33:37 Oh yeah. So first of all, I want to start by saying that I have nothing bad to say about chili sleep or ula. Like I've talked about that as being like life changer for me and like it's been, it's, was amazing, right? Unfortunately, they went out of business and so they're no longer selling their product. They're, I believe even their customer service and stuff.

Starting point is 00:33:53 So unfortunately, they didn't last and I don't know, probably financials, something didn't, didn't work out, didn't, uh, didn't do well. But the product was good, right? So I never had any complaints. And I had people tell me in the past that we have friends that all have it that like a Michael Trinow, how's it, Brendan has it, like a couple other friends of mine. They're like, oh, you go try Aatsip, I'm off. Dude, the Ulyr's amazing. Ulyr's amazing. It's cool. I don't need,

Starting point is 00:34:16 you know, whatever. Like, why would I go do that when we have a partner already? Of course, that all went south. And then eight sleep calls us up. We take them on. We have their stuff for a little bit, takes a while to finally get it over on the bed, I get on the bed last time that we talked about it was when I just first got it on there. So now I've been using it for almost a month consistently and holy shit.

Starting point is 00:34:36 If I were to compare, I would say it's like this. I would say the horse power on it or whatever. I would say the Euler chili, that brand is like the Mercedes. It's nice, like I got nothing bad to say about Mercedes. Like it's a Mercedes of bed cooling systems. The eight sleep is the Rolls Royce. Like it is the horsepower, it is dead. You cannot hear it, it's silent.

Starting point is 00:34:58 It gets me, so the Euler would cool down. I told you before I put it on two hours before and it would keep me cool Through the night and it was amazing. The eight sleep will get me so cold that I have to like turn it off What's amazing about this? It's really cold stronger bro and and so it the We're always like would would it would feel my body's temperature and then it would it would get me cool enough to where I could sleep really well. Where this, I actually have to adjust it

Starting point is 00:35:29 so it doesn't get me so cold it wakes me up. So it doesn't have to fight all night. Oh, yeah, it is not overworking to do that. The horsepower on it. And then it comes with this thick mattress topper pad where the other one, I could kind of feel the lines that were in it, which it wasn't like batter uncomfortable

Starting point is 00:35:45 and didn't bother me. But this thing has like this mattress pad and the whole thing gets cool. Have you messed with the, I don't know if it's an app that it comes with where it measures your week? No, so this is, I just, so when we first got it, I got it going right away. And so I didn't wait for eight sleep to send over our free app because that app caught, so the, so what they do for the people that buy this,

Starting point is 00:36:07 you get the whole setup after purchasing it. But if you want all the crazy cool metrics and the adjusting of it, so it's a smart bed. So it actually learns, like it sorts of, so it scores your sleep like your ordering does. So it scores your sleep,

Starting point is 00:36:22 and it sorts of learn like, oh, when it gets this cold, he sleeps better when it gets this right. So it's individualized. So it scores your sleep and it starts to learn like, oh, when it gets this cold, he sleeps better when it gets this right. So it's individualized. So it manually adjusts to you until you start scoring like hundreds. So it just keeps adjusting to it. And it figures, so I haven't even used that.

Starting point is 00:36:37 I'm just manually doing it right now and it's amazing. Wow. And so I got, and I have the code to do it. So probably the next time we have it. So it's got like an algorithm. It picks up your sleep habits and it is because it's course it so it's really easy Yeah, and it starts to see like how you're when it hits certain that's got to be it's it is it's really cool You have yours on? Yeah, so I just plug it in and and let it go

Starting point is 00:36:59 I haven't done the any of the apps stuff yet either and I'm like super curious about all that like how you can done any of the apps that you had either. And I'm like super curious about all that, like how you can utilize like all that data and whatnot and how it like learns you. But yeah, dude, for me, it's been like, because it's the summer, and I don't have to turn my AC on. That was a big battle, like we were having for a while

Starting point is 00:37:17 because I don't know why, but like I think, the way we were raised, like so Courtney is similar. In the house, like it was like, her parents especially were never ever ever going to have AC on. They had it, it broke one time, and then they never fixed it, and nobody could ever use it, right? And so it was like this thought of this is wasting money or something.

Starting point is 00:37:41 And so every time I go to turn it on, she's like, really? It's like, you know, just open the windows and we're gonna be fine. Like we're always battling over that. And so I was like, okay, well let's see. Like I'll compromise. And so I use the eight sleep and it was just like, oh my God, dude, this is so cold and like,

Starting point is 00:37:57 like I don't even need anything else. So this is what I've been playing with this since we've got it, right? And like I'm normally, even with the Hathu Uler, I had to still keep the AC on, so it didn't rise above like 70 degrees, because still if it gets really hot in there and then my bed's not freezing, I'm gonna wake up.

Starting point is 00:38:17 But what I've been able to do, and I've tested this, right? So 67 is what I used to keep the AC at, that's why I keep the AC when I'm home. 68, 69, 70, 71. I just did this 72. So I can leave the AC and only kicking on if it gets harder and so which in the Bay area it never gets harder than that. It's at night.

Starting point is 00:38:38 At night. Yeah. And this is how I was selling it to my buddy who's like, oh my god, this is kind of expensive, bro. $3,000 for this whole set of, I said, yeah, but I don't know how much you run your AC, but I know how much my bill is when I'm running it through the next step. And so I guarantee you that the temperature

Starting point is 00:38:57 that I can keep it up at. You would probably make the money back in the year, too. For sure in a year, within a year's time. I mean, our AC bill will get over $800 for the month. So me being able to shave that off, I guarantee you I'm saving $100 to $200 bucks, you know, for the month, you do that for a year's time and now it's justified the pay just because.

Starting point is 00:39:17 Yeah, especially you guys, I feel like. And sharing a hotel room. And you guys are just freezing. I need it, man. Yeah, I need it cold, dude. The few times I've shared a hotel room, I don't think I've shared one with you, Justin, maybe once, but with Adam, I have a couple of times.

Starting point is 00:39:29 You have, come on. And he'll remember. I'm offended. Stop, stop. Not in that room. I remember that thing I did. Stop. You're so kind.

Starting point is 00:39:38 No, it was with, it's with, Adam, I remember specifically, because he'll get up in the night, and he'll blast it, and I'll be like, uh, yeah, I have to have that. I have to have that. And I'm saying, you know, I'm not gonna fight this. I'm just gonna be hearing myself in the sheets.

Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah, we're, we're, we're better fit. It's cool. I mean, I, I, I've been, you guys tell you guys about it on the show. So I'm excited that that was today, that we finally got to talk about it because it's, it's, it's, and I like, again, I've got nothing bad to say.

Starting point is 00:40:02 I really have the chills. The cooler, like, those things are amazing, right? So it's, it's so cool, I, like, again, I've got nothing bad to say. I've got the children of the ruler, like those things are amazing, right? So it's so cool, but for this thing. I gotta bring forth a speculation. Earlier we were talking about how exercises of journey, you keep learning and stuff like that. And I just never stopped learning. And what I'm realizing now is that as I've gotten older,

Starting point is 00:40:18 this is an interesting speculation. So I used to think, have a different perspective now. I used to think as you got older, you trained with less volume and intensity because you don't have the same ability to recover and heal. Okay, you don't have the same, like you're not as resistant to the damages from that kind of stuff, right? As you are when you're younger. There's some truth to that, but I think there's more to the story. What I am starting to realize,

Starting point is 00:40:49 and I wonder if this is because, definitely as I'm getting older, but I think a part of that has to do with the fact that I've been working out for so long. Yes, I need less volume, or I can tolerate less volume, but more so, I do better in terms of progressing with less volume.

Starting point is 00:41:05 In other words, I need way less than I did when I was younger to move forward. And I'm playing with this right now in a very interesting way. So like, I've brought my strength training down from six days to five days to four days, now down to three days. Now that doesn't mean I'm not active on the other days. So for people who lost their life,

Starting point is 00:41:24 do you only work out three days a week? No, I still come in here and I'll do things that are active just for my health, but I'm only lifting three days. That's it. Okay. And it's not full body three days either. It's still, I'm hitting each body part once a week. This is like the lowest volume in frequency I'm trained a long time.

Starting point is 00:41:41 And I'm progressing. Yeah. I'm getting stronger and I'm realizing I need less to progress. And I actually progress better with less. This is an interesting thing that I'm noticing with myself as a good older. Would you say, I've noticed the same thing. It's, I don't know if anybody's,

Starting point is 00:41:57 they probably coined it as like muscle maturity, right? It's almost like you're, you've established this base and you've put all this work in over the years to the point where your body just, it responds. To weight less, it just knows like, okay, I'm getting this stimulus and so therefore, this is a priority and I'm able to keep and retain muscle a lot easier.

Starting point is 00:42:20 It's weird because it's more than that. I actually am progressing faster and I feel better with less. It's less than I thought. That's more than that. I actually am progressing faster and I feel better with less. And it's less than I thought. That's the crazy thing. Literally, this is what I'm doing. No joke. I'm doing six sets per body part per week.

Starting point is 00:42:37 That's like nothing. I mean, that's nothing compared to how I would always train. Remember, I'd be consistent. It's not like I'm a beginner or anything like that. So I'm literally like Monday, I did chat and I'm experimenting. So Monday, I'll do three body parts, Wednesday, I'll always train. Remember, I'd be consistent. It's not like I'm a beginner or anything like that. So I'm literally like Monday, I did chat, and I'm experimenting. So Monday I'll do three body parts,

Starting point is 00:42:48 Wednesday I'll do three body parts, Friday I'll do a few body parts. I'm only hearing everything once a week, lower sets, and guess what, I'm getting stronger and I'm progressing and I feel better. So it's wild. I peace this together over the last couple of years for sure, and I wish someone would have communicated this

Starting point is 00:43:03 to me when I was younger, because I always thought it would just get harder and harder as I got older. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh man, you get older and you start to have joint pain and issues and you got other responsibilities and it's like, but I better stay fit and good looking while I'm young because it's going to just like diminish as I get older.

Starting point is 00:43:18 But the truth is the work and the effort that has to go towards lifting is way with, and I think there. And I think there's a bunch of things that are at work here, right? I think your muscle maturity point is there. I think your wisdom around what's most effective, right? Is there also technique is super sharp, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think you know exactly how to do that. I think over years too, you've refined, you know,

Starting point is 00:43:42 getting better at your sleep, making better food choices, like balance in other aspects of your life, reading when you have high stress, knowing how to start to, so I think there's a lot of things that are at play here, but boy, I wish that was sold to the, if you're listening and you're young or you're early into getting into lifting weights, this is the exciting thing,

Starting point is 00:44:02 is that it actually gets easier, it gets easier to stay fit, it gets easier to stay fit, it gets easier to stay strong, if you've been consistent for a long period. I have a theory around this, I don't have any scientific evidence yet, I'm gonna go look for it, but I don't have anything yet I can cite.

Starting point is 00:44:18 This is just a theory, but I'll bet money that I think I'm on the right track with this. Here's what I think that is happening, because everything you're saying is true. Everything we're all saying is true. But there's still something else, it's strange, that's happening here.

Starting point is 00:44:31 And I think I have, I think I know what's going on. So epigenetics is your genes abilities. So you have hard, your hard genes, and then you have the fact that your genes can express themselves one way or another depending on your lifestyle. That's epigenetics. And over time, you can actually train your genes to be more like something else than how they are. So it's not said in stone in other words, right? That's kind of how epigen X works. So I think what's happening is through the years of training, I have

Starting point is 00:45:00 trained my body to become more responsive and more sensitive to muscle building and strength building signaling. I think over the years, I've actually trained my genetics to become better at responding to the stresses that strength train. So when I'm young, my body's more resistant to the muscle building signal. But because I've been doing this for 30 years with consistent exercise, I've trained my body to become more sensitive to that signal. So now when it first gets it, it responds,

Starting point is 00:45:31 because it's been there so many times, but... I mean, I think that's exactly what we're all saying. You're just taking it down to the cellular level. Yeah, you know, that's what there's something going on. And just respond to that level that your body is just, but I mean, it's not communicated that often. I don't remember hearing it when I was younger.

Starting point is 00:45:45 I remember thinking that like, oh, again, I gotta stay fit while I'm young, because who knows where I'm at? It's not even, here's a crazy part. It's not muscle memory. People are like, oh, that's muscle memory. No, no, no, I hit a PR. I hit a PR in deadlifting like a few months ago with training with really low training volume.

Starting point is 00:46:03 And I'm getting that pretty damn close with other things and I'm 34. What are you amplifying that signal? Well, this is why I remember when I asked you, this was like a while back. I think it was before you even had your son when I was telling you like, do you think that your, your DNA, yeah, you've got like, because you're a different man with this child than you were. Now, obviously you have a different partner too, so there's a lot of things that play.

Starting point is 00:46:27 But I do think that you, if you believe that you've changed that in yourself, why would that not potentially impact in an offspring also because you had about a different point in your life? So I would think that that would happen. Yeah, it's weird. It's almost like, you are subjected to a particular type of stress. You learn how to adapt to that stress. You do it so often that then when you become wise to it

Starting point is 00:46:54 or you learn it, when that stress presents itself, you adapt right away. And I think that's what's happening. I have to talk about since you brought up adaptation and stress, the water beetle. You guys. This particular insect is like unreal. It's the most resilient insect I've ever heard. So it's main predator as a frog and it literally has the ability to be eaten and travel all the way through the intestines, the digestive track, all the way through, make it all the way until it like poops it out and then it survives. What? It can, it can, it can just survive being eaten alive. Wow.

Starting point is 00:47:36 So a frog will eat it and poop it out and it comes out alive? Yeah. How do I tell you that? No way. Isn't that crazy? That's terrible. And you see this video and it's just like, it's gross. It's like, it just looks like the frog's taking a dump.

Starting point is 00:47:46 And it's this beetle and then it's just like, I'm free, dude, it just takes off. That's terrifying. Yeah, so it has some kind of like weird film over it that allows it to protect it as it's traveling through this journey of digestion. Seasonal, what tricks can you out? It's like 90% survived being eaten.

Starting point is 00:48:04 90%? Isn't that crazy? So what's really crazy about this when you talk about like how things evolve and adapt and get to that point, like why hasn't everything else that gets eaten adapted like this? What is it about the frog eating the beetle and the beetle that makes it easy? Well there's different pathways to surviving. Like one might be the a beetle adapts a bad tasting poison on its skin or it adapts and gets claws to fight back or it runs fast.

Starting point is 00:48:30 But in this case, it's like, well, we'll just let ourselves be eaten and survived. I think the frog doesn't have teeth, I guess. Wow, that's... How terrifying. I just have to happen with the food we ate. Imagine that, you eat it. You poop it out. It just comes out.

Starting point is 00:48:43 It just like runs away. Ah. Come back. I need your nutrients. Listen, you need to chew your food. Why dad? Trust me. Chew the fuck out of it. So you would think then the frog is getting nothing from that. I would say yes.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah, nothing. And so then why would the frog continue to eat those beetles as a other question? 10% of them might get just maybe. 20% of the time they get. Oh, I guess you're right. You're so, yeah, if it's not 100%. So there's maybe the beetle does something

Starting point is 00:49:08 for the frog as it goes through. Yeah, cleaning up and I'm sure there's like a beetle for a version that don't. What if it was more like a synergistic relationship than you don't even realize it? Oh, so you know how like you can gimme out and like fish come into like short, like little small fish will come in

Starting point is 00:49:21 and clean the teeth of other fish. What if it was something like that where they're actually coming through it? I'm actually true. It's true. It's a cinema. Yeah. It's like two frog rocks talking to a chosen man. I haven't pooped in like a week. A week. A week. A little get it right. You're talking to Tom the beetle. He'll be the amazing right now. He's amazing. He fixed my ass. Like one time she didn't poop for a month.

Starting point is 00:49:39 Yeah. That beetle he pushed me and think about that. I could be like a synergistic relationship versus like a predator one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could be. Hey synergistic relationship versus like a predator one, right? Yeah, it could be. Hey, Justin, you watched Up and Hymn, right? No, I did, I was gonna ask you about it actually because I was curious if it was any good. Yes, okay, yes, it's so good. Really?

Starting point is 00:49:56 Okay, so you know what's interesting, so my oldest watched it first and he's like, you gotta watch this status, so good. So I went to the movies, little side note, by myself, I've never done that before. Have any of you guys ever gone to the movies by yourselves? I used to do a lot. Really? I have a few times, actually.

Starting point is 00:50:10 And by before we started my own pub, I was on a kick for like four or five years there, where I used to go to the movies. Just by yourself? All the time. So I hate, hate, hate. Shout out to a P.B. Herman doing that, but. Wow.

Starting point is 00:50:21 Don't die of his. That's not what I was doing. But yeah, sometimes you gotta put things in your own hands. You know what I mean? Sometimes. No, I hate doing anything alone. I hate it. I just, there's something about being alone.

Starting point is 00:50:32 I don't like it. So it's this exercise that I'm trying to do. Not to go into too much detail, but I'm trying to do things on my own to try and be comfortable with quiet time or whatever. So I went to the movies by myself, and I'm like, I'm gonna watch Oppenheimer. The movie ends in the theater silent.

Starting point is 00:50:47 It's one of those movies. Oh wow. When it's done, too serious. No, you could tell everybody was affected. Like it ends in, everybody just sat there for like, I don't know. Like a minute, before anybody got up and just, it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:50:58 Yeah, dude, it's that. Oh wow. So it's obviously the true story of the lead physicist and the Manhattan Project, the development of the nuclear bomb. It's so relevant today. It's so relevant today. How they compartmentalize everybody to work on. Well, that's all what happened.

Starting point is 00:51:14 Yeah. And it realized how many incredible physicists were part of it. Fear me, it was a famous Italian physicist, was a part of it. Einstein was, you know, they asked them questions. He wasn't actually in it, but he was alive during the time. Well, that was like the start of like the idea of how they were able to figure it out.

Starting point is 00:51:32 Well, so what's, the reason why it's so relevant is as you're watching this, they're all, they were all very aware of that, that they were about to create an incredibly destructive force. Like they all knew, you, and in the, all knew, and this is all pretty factual. I mean, there's up and high more later on became this massive activist against nuclear proliferation. So after the nuclear bomb was dropped,

Starting point is 00:51:56 he said nightmares about it essentially. He wasn't a perfect sure, but he wanted him. Yeah, but he would go and speak out and try to influence the nuclear commission and say we need to like not do this anymore He didn't want to create the hydrogen bomb which is a much more powerful version of the atomic bomb But anyway as they're doing this all these physicists know that they're about to create something terrible and In there's there's scenes in there where they're like they don't't wanna do it, but the other guy's doing it, so we have to.

Starting point is 00:52:26 Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's AI. Yeah. That's happening right now, dude. It's always the justification. Every scientist working on AI right now? They're doing it, we got it, dude. A lot of them are like, we should not be doing this,

Starting point is 00:52:38 but they're all propelled better us than somebody else. Right, that's kind of the attitude. Jonathan Pageow talks us about, refers to this as agency. He's like, that's kind of the attitude. Jonathan Pageow talks us about, refers to this as agency. He's like, there's this agency driving us. He goes, we all know we shouldn't be doing this, and yet we are. He's like, we're being driven by this agency,

Starting point is 00:52:53 and the way we describe it is the other guy. We gotta do this, because the other guy's gonna do it. So as you're watching it, I couldn't help but be like, oh, damn it, it's happening again. Yeah, well, I actually secretly brought that up to bring up kind of a messed up story. This guy that donated his mom to a Alzheimer's Institute, like in Arizona.

Starting point is 00:53:18 You mean after she died? After she, yeah, sorry. Yeah. She specified that. Yeah, I was her body after she died. Like it was, here's my mom. Here she is, she's a remnant. Oh, I was her body after she died. Like it was. Here's my mom with it. Here she is. She's a real man on her way.

Starting point is 00:53:27 Oh, well, it gets more messed up. Okay, so basically he did that under the guys of like, oh, this is going to help people, you know, and that center in Arizona actually ended up selling her to the military for bomb testing. How did they test? The body. What did they just blow up? Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. How do they test? The body.

Starting point is 00:53:45 What do they just blow up? Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. Isn't that awful? Like, you imagine like your mom. Yeah. Like how I'm sorry about is that? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:54 Obviously he didn't know the second step, right? He basically donated to the first step. No, he donated it with the assumption that they were gonna use it to help people, you know, within the Alzheimer's community. And they, I'm sorry, it's just fucked up story. And I'm like, I just couldn't wrap my brain around that. Like, what would you, how would you like, reconcile?

Starting point is 00:54:12 I don't know, I would feel so terrible. If you guys heard the conspiracy around Marilyn Monroe, when she died, her body, they couldn't account for, I don't remember, how many hours afterwards? And they speculate that people took the body in. Oh, really? I can tell you how. Wow. Whoa. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:54:31 I've never heard that story. That the body was just like, unaccounted for, for like hours and hours and hours. And then, yep. Oh my God. I know. I'm in a dark turn there. I'm in a dark turn there.

Starting point is 00:54:41 I started with you. Thanks, Justin. Mom's getting blown up by the bombs. That's pretty bad, Justin. I'm sorry, dude. it. You started it, dude. Thanks, Justin. Mom's getting blown up by the bomb. That's pretty bad, Justin. I'm sorry, dude. I was, I was, I was, I was, dark since the humorous and terrible. That's terrible. Anyway, I wanted to touch on a subject.

Starting point is 00:54:55 I saw a clip. Where was the clip? I want to say it was Max Lugovier's podcast where they were talking about how calories are all not equal. And this is in reference to the calories versus calories out. And we've made this point before. It's very important.

Starting point is 00:55:12 I think we need to stop placing so much value on calories from an energy perspective in the sense that one calorie in and one calorie out is homeostasis. If I burn more, I lose weight. If I burn more, I lose weight, if I eat more, I gain weight, I think it's more important to focus on what makes up those calories and how they make you feel. Because how you feel is what drives whether or not you overeat, whether or not you're under eat, whether or not you feel good. And that

Starting point is 00:55:39 was the point that they made on it. It's like, yes, calories are a unit of energy, but they make you feel a particular way. And if you feel always like overeating and you always feel crappy and you always feel like you're in a bad mood for what you're then they're not equal. And they're going to drive you to make decisions and choices that aren't going to help you. What do you think it is that drives the people that are in the fitness space to push that message so hard? Because think of the average fitness fanatic in the fitness space to push that message so hard. Because think of the average fitness fanatic

Starting point is 00:56:07 in the fitness space. They have such a dysfunctional relationship with food that to them food literally is energy. They can literally disassociate and be like, I just eat these calories, these proteins, this food is fuel, I will just move forward no matter what, for whatever reason.

Starting point is 00:56:26 So they communicate it to people like everybody's like, they are, that's what I think at least. Yeah, I wonder if it's, if the origin of it is tied to the supplement industry. Oh, they promote it for sure. Yeah, because I feel like when you really unpack, like, I don't know, maybe 90%, I'm just gonna throw a number out there.

Starting point is 00:56:43 So it's probably somewhere close to that. I would argue of protein bars are basically glorified candy bars. Oh, yeah. Candy bars with 10 more grams of protein in it. Yes, yes. I mean, wedged in there. And so if you are going to promote health and fitness

Starting point is 00:57:00 and you're gonna make the argument that that is something that would be considered healthy and good for you, you got a lean on the calorie is a calorie thing and focus on the macronutrient as like the primary thing because it really is That's what you're selling. Yeah, you're selling a candy bar that just has some more protein So you and you're selling it as a health supplement So I wonder if the origin of that message really came from that now. I know the IIF I am thing came from the bodybuilding community and the forums back in the days. That's where it started as far as macro counting and stuff.

Starting point is 00:57:34 But I feel like the big push on the calories of calorie and that message, I bet the origin is connected somehow to the supplement. Well, just to give you an example, you could get a baby Ruth bar. I looked at one up, because that was my favorite. I know you guys don't like it,

Starting point is 00:57:49 we've talked about this, but you could get a baby Ruth bar, add 10 grams of protein from soy isolate or nonfat, dry milk powder or something like that, or something that takes, create a new get add. And you have a high protein bar. Just add 10 grams.

Starting point is 00:58:04 It gives it 13 grams, because it already three. Yeah from the peanuts add 10 grams Technically is a high protein. That's how you can label it. Yeah bar and you change nothing else And I bet if I did that it would taste pretty damn close to what it normally would taste like sure it would be a best seller I mean, that's what you see your your most popular bars and so that are the ones that taste the taste the best And when you flip the What a lot of people don't know those if you actually flip that around next to a baby Ruth or a snickers pretty close All the stuff is you are Saying is you should be eating candy bars Yeah, I tell some people are gonna hear this

Starting point is 00:58:37 Yeah, I know you're right in way protein there Yeah, I drink a shake candy bars. I mean, it's really great idea The way that I've always positioned, you know, shakes and bars is that it's a last resort. Like, it's not that I am demonizing it, right? Because there's always that, right? I can't talk negatively about it than also that I'm demonizing it.

Starting point is 00:58:57 I'm not saying I don't utilize bars and shakes at a bar yesterday, right? So, but I think that you look at it like in the manner of like, this is not ideal. Ideally, instead of me eating that bar yesterday, I would have had a balanced meal. I'd had one of my daily dose meals. I would have been a better choice in that moment.

Starting point is 00:59:13 And I recognize that. And it's okay to just be like, but it was convenient. It was fast. We had to hurry up and podcast. So I didn't have the time to do all the other stuff. So okay, understandable. But I think that it's been promoted and sold as a health and health supplement so hard that people think

Starting point is 00:59:27 they're doing a good job by having that. And then that justifies that happening more and more. And then now their best food they eat for the day is shakes and bars and the rest of it's like, not even great choices. All right, I wanna tell you guys something I've been doing, I haven't told you guys about, but I've been coming in, I come in the morning

Starting point is 00:59:42 and work out and I've been doing it more here because our editing team will work out in the morning. It's a great vibe. In fact, this morning was so awesome. I walk in, music's cranking. Everybody's working out, and in between sets, people are talking shit, yelling at each other. It was so awesome.

Starting point is 00:59:58 I love it. I brought you back to some gym days. Oh man, I loved it. It was so great. But anyway, I'll come in early sometimes, and I'll do, because we have the red light, the juice panels in there. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:07 And I'll do like five minutes, five to seven minutes, and I'll just look at it straight ahead, do the front of my body, and I'm just like, I'm here, let me just do this, I might as well see what happens. Bro, the skin on my face, and it is, like it's pretty wild. Like it's like even, I notice it.

Starting point is 01:00:25 I notice it right after you do the first time. That's again, I want to those, why I think that product is does so well is that it's hard to deny the difference. You'll hear it from somebody else, for sure if you have a hard time. It literally does feel like my skin's getting younger. It's how it feels.

Starting point is 01:00:40 What I really want you to do with it, because you and Doug are the most consistent right now with J Campbell's hair product. I know everybody wants me to because I'm the ball guy, but I happen to be the ball guy who doesn't give a fuck and also is like, you know, kind of likes it. So, you guys, if you're doing that, I'm so reframing everyone. What? So, one of the things I did notice when we first got introduced to the Juve light as a side effect, because I used to sit, I used to sit like this,

Starting point is 01:01:08 and like in front of the light, and I started to feel some of my hair come back. And so that combined with that product, I would love to. I'm going to, I'm using just the hair peptide by itself to continue to gauge it. And then I'm gonna do both. But I don't wanna do both at the same time, cause I don't know which one would you have to get it to continue to gauge it. Okay. And then I'm going to do both. But I don't want to do both at the same time, because I don't know which one would you have to do.

Starting point is 01:01:28 That's fair. That's fair. But I definitely think that that's going to supercharge it. I bet you're going to see a difference from that, because I, as a side effect noticed that, and it wasn't even something that I was trying to do. I remember that's what led to you finding the research, because I remember saying, I feel like, you know,

Starting point is 01:01:40 it feels weird, like, it feels like my hair feels thicker, I have little stubs that are growing. I'm excited. I'm going to go into the three to four months and I'll do that. So, please. Hey, quick shout out. I hope you guys don't mind.

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Starting point is 01:03:50 First question is from C. Feevers. What is a relationship between building muscle and testosterone levels, particularly in women? If a woman has already experienced issues with other hormonal imbalances, can building muscle cause an abnormal increase in testosterone levels? Yeah, that's a great, that's a really, really great question because we talk all the time about how building muscle, especially in men, helps raise testosterone. So let me explain this a little bit better

Starting point is 01:04:19 so people understand kind of what's going on and why the process of building muscle would not cause an imbalance or an abnormal, what would be an imbalance, abnormal increase in testosterone levels in women. When you send the muscle building signal through strength training and you feed yourself appropriately, because you have to have the nutrients there to support that. And the rest of your life also fits that.

Starting point is 01:04:44 In other words, you're not overstressed, not getting enough sleep, you know, all that stuff. Like everything's working okay and you send a signal to build muscle. Your body organizes its hormones in the way to do that. Now that hormone profile that does that is a balanced one. So in men that often means a higher testosterone level.

Starting point is 01:05:03 Sometimes it means that in women too, but abnormally high testosterone levels in women is a side effect of imbalances in other places. Oftentimes what you see with that are insulin resistance or estrogen or progesterone imbalances. So if you're a woman and you have abnormally high testosterone, that's not because your body's trying to build more muscle. It's a compensatory pattern that comes from other imbalances. So the strength training along with the other stuff that I can mention

Starting point is 01:05:36 balances it out. And you'll get the other hormones to balance themselves out. And then you probably won't have the side effects of abnormally high testosterone levels, which is relatively rare by the way in women. But again, it's a side effect. It's not a, this is my body just trying to build up. So I'm confused a little bit. So the concern this person has is that if they, they've already had hormonal and balance issues, if she starts to lift weights because we've talked about how that could increase testosterone.

Starting point is 01:06:02 Like if that's actually going gonna throw her balance off more. Right. Oh, yeah, the opposite is. That's right. Yeah, it's gonna organize it and make it better. That's right, because yes, testosterone is a driver of muscle building, but there's also insulin that plays a role. There's growth hormone that plays a role.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Estrogen or progesterone indirectly play a role. Cortisol balance plays a role. So really it's the symphony of all these hormones working in a great way that tells your body to build more muscle. Now, yes, you could artificially jack testosterone up so high through synthetic. Yeah, administering testosterone or antibiotics. They're always totally different. Which is very different. And yes, that will cause you to build muscle.

Starting point is 01:06:47 Like, you could take a woman, I could quadruple or testosterone. And yeah, she'll build more muscle for them, but also start to masculineize and get a bunch of weird side effects. But from a normal, natural perspective, the process of strength training is one of the most effective ways

Starting point is 01:07:02 to balance out your hormones. When I would work with female clients with hormone imbalances, and I'd work with their functional medicine practitioners, the form of exercise that they were always like, oh yeah, keep doing that or focus on, was always strength training, always. It always would produce the most beneficial effects.

Starting point is 01:07:18 Even when women were overstressed, so lots of times women have hormone imbalances because of too much stress, lack of sleep, the form of exercise that I still had to do that I still applied however, quite precisely and gently, was still strength training. So no, you're not going to get an abnormal hormone profile for strength training unless you're doing it in a completely inappropriate way, you're over training yourself over stressing yourself, not feeding yourself feeding yourself properly which case it could contribute to to hormone imbalances Next question is from Jay Boostath. How do I know when I have enough muscle to cut so I don't end up looking skinny?

Starting point is 01:07:57 Skinny that's a good question. I don't think it would be so much of a measuring lean body mass as it would be measuring your strength. I think that's be so much of a measuring lean body mass as it would be measuring your strength. I think that's a better metric to measure. I like even better metric than that, as I like focusing on your metabolism. So instead, when I'm pushing someone to build muscle, like a client, male or female, and it's like, okay, how long are we gonna be

Starting point is 01:08:23 in this quote unquote bulk or reverse diet before we get to cut down and get shredded or go the other direction? And I normally say, well, let's get it to a place where you're eating so much food that you don't wanna eat anymore. To me, that's a better gauge is like, let's keep increasing calories and building muscle

Starting point is 01:08:42 so long as you feel like you comfortably can keep adding calories to the diet until you get to a place where it's like man That's a lot of food. That's hard for me to hit that number like oh, what a great place to be now Let's go the opposite direction and let's lean out versus some you know arbitrary Lino number of body fat percentage or pounds of muscle on your More subjective that way in terms of like if I or pounds of muscle on your body. Yeah, soon as I'm more subjective that way, in terms of like, if I have this much muscle mass,

Starting point is 01:09:08 now it's time for me to cut versus like, yeah, if I can increase my calories and I can get to that place where it feels like work, you know, to be able to scale down, it's gonna be a lot easier, and you're gonna get all the benefit and result of like, you know, losing weight, losing body fat, in a comfortable place where you're eating.

Starting point is 01:09:24 Yeah, I just think also to the whole, like, you know, losing weight, losing body fat in a comfortable place where you're eating. Yeah, I just think also to the whole like, you know, I don't want to look skinny. I mean, what you probably would be a better way to say that is I don't want to look or feel frail, or look or feel weak, or lose, I guess, function or mobility, which can happen if you just go to low calories. You know, that's why I said strength as well. I think in combination, what you guys are saying would be great. Because if you've doubled your strength in a lot of key lifts, and you feel solid, you feel strong,

Starting point is 01:09:57 like let's say you're a woman, and you could squat your body weight, or you're a man, and you could squat one and a half times your body weight or something like that, right? And then you feel comfortable, like, okay, I think I can go on a cut and then you can continue monitoring the strength because if I go from being able to squat 200 pounds for 10 reps and then I go on a cut, I should expect some strength to go down, but if it goes from 200 to 100, then I'm probably cutting too much or I'm too aggressive with the calorie cut,

Starting point is 01:10:27 or I'm not doing things right, right? So, if I can relatively maintain my strength, maybe lose a little bit depending on how advanced I am and I'm doing okay, I think I'm doing fine. That's usually how I would, that's how I used to gauge it for myself at least. You also have this ability to say you, your building muscle say for a month or two,

Starting point is 01:10:44 and you've been on this consistent, you know, reverse diet or bulk, right? Same difference. And you're like, okay, I wonder, is this enough muscle to keep on my body that when I lean out, I'm not going to look skinny and I'm still going to have this, then, then start to cut go the opposite direction and pay attention. If you start to feel like, oh my god, I don't like how much I'm losing or how skinny I now look you can go back the other direction. I just be careful of getting so focused on how we look at a lot of times your mind plays a lot of games with you. Like one of the things that always kept me from getting stage shredded was my insecurity around being skinny like this question and being small. And so I never would allow myself to push that far. I would start to lean out and go,

Starting point is 01:11:29 oh my God, I'm losing all my muscle. I'm looking skinny and I would say things like that to myself. And then I pack back the calories back on because I was so insecure about being skinny. So just be careful of tying your results or your goals to like this skinny look that you potentially are afraid of. Yeah, it is too subjective.

Starting point is 01:11:49 And you're actually not the best person to judge that a lot of times. A lot of times, if you were driven like I was to get muscular and buffed by my insecurity of being skinny, then a lot of times that will play mind games with you that you're low calorie, you're deflated a little bit. So your muscle bellies aren't filled up. So you think you're getting skinny when in reality, well, it's no, you just, you have,

Starting point is 01:12:10 you're of low calorie and when you're low calorie, the muscle bellies aren't going to be filled out as much. And so it gives you this illusion of you look flat or skinnier or it looks like you're losing muscle, but when reality, you're not. You're just low, low calorie and your body is actually burning and breaking down body fat. Next question is from Outback Danes. Should you reverse diet if you're over 30% body fat? So a reverse diet for people who don't know, a reverse diet is the process of slowly increasing

Starting point is 01:12:40 calories in combination with proper strength training to speed up the metabolism so that later on you can set yourself up to go on a calorie cut from a higher place so that you don't end up with such low calories that it's hard to sustain. Okay, so that's what a reverse diet is. In other words a reverse diet is not about losing body fat. It's about setting yourself up so you could lose body fat in the future in a month, two months, whatever in a more sustainable way. So then if we understand that, the question really has nothing to do with what body fat percentage you're at. It has everything to do with how many calories you can consume now and maintain your body weight and what it takes for you to lose weight. If that number is so low that you're like,

Starting point is 01:13:26 this is unsustainable. Like if I need to need a thousand calories a day to lose weight, it doesn't matter what body fat percentage I'm at. I know that that's the sun sustainable. So I'm gonna reverse diet. I'm gonna try and get myself to a place where I can cut from.

Starting point is 01:13:38 That's it, that's just the bottom line. So really doesn't matter what body fat percentage I'm at. Look, you could be a guy at 10% body fat, and you could come tell me, I'm 10% cell, I'm gonna get to 5% body fat. And I said, well, how many calories are you eating now? 1800. Okay, let's reverse diet you,

Starting point is 01:13:52 because where we can end up when we get down to 5% in a place that's so unsustainable, it's gonna put you in a bad position. So it has really nothing to do with body fat percentage. Everything to do with... Yeah, to me, it has a lot more to do with where you're currently in your journey and diet at the time, right?

Starting point is 01:14:07 So if you are, like, you came to me, right, and you're just about to get started on your fitness journey, and we measured your body fat and you're 30% and then I assessed where your calories and your diet was, 99% of the time when a client that was overweight, okay, this is later in my career, I'm not talking about the beginning of my career when I hadn't figured this out yet. Every client that would come in that wanted to lose body fat or lose weight when I first started them was a reverse diet. And it was, and for a lot of different reasons, psychologically it blows her mind because they're like, wait a second, I need to lose 30, 40 pounds of fat and you're telling me you want me to eat more of these foods

Starting point is 01:14:46 and it's like, yes, because what you alluded to earlier is that I want to set you up for long term success and what that looks like is building some muscle on your body as a priority versus just getting weight off the scale. If I prioritize building muscle, I'm going to speed your metabolism up to where your body will naturally burn more calories, which in turn is going to make you getting leaner so much easier.

Starting point is 01:15:08 Versus saying, hey, you just hired me. You're at 30% body fat you want to cut and lean out. Okay, well, let me assess your calories. Oh, your calories at 2000 calories. Okay, let's cut to 1500. And then we play that game because eventually you'll get to what you were saying, which is only eating a thousand calories. Still not where you want to be.

Starting point is 01:15:23 I think it's important to say that losing weight is not the challenge. It just isn't. If you look at the numbers and the data, losing weight is not the millions of people do it every year. Every year. It's the keeping it off that is the challenge. So what you should be concerned with

Starting point is 01:15:41 when you want to start losing weight is not, can I lose the weight? It's, can I keep it off and then focus on creating a way to make it sustainable. Reverse dieting is a part of that process. So it's not a part of the weight loss process. It's a part of setting the subs I can do it forever process, which is far more important. Next question is from Justin Lifts' Waits. What is the best protein for a budget bulk?

Starting point is 01:16:09 Budget bulk. So we're gonna talk about whole foods, obviously. Ground beef. Yeah, I mean. Ground beef. A value pack of ground beef is inexpensive. A value pack of frozen chicken thighs is inexpensive. I also wanna point out this, when someone says words of question like this, this is where

Starting point is 01:16:28 you're going to hear like conflicting things from us or different stuff, right? Like, I'm going to promote something like butcher box and grass fed beef because I think it's a better choice for you. But if I had somebody who is broke or struggling to pay their bills and they're like, Adam, I also want to get in shape, but you know, grass fed beef is really expensive. Like, I don't care. At that point, like later in life,

Starting point is 01:16:51 we'll get to getting better at making those, you know, organic choices, but there is a hierarchy of what's most important, and you eating a balanced meal that's macro-friendly. That's 95% of the one. It's way more important than you spinning an extra $3 on organic or grass fed. Yet you're gonna hear me promote how important that is.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Yeah, it is, but it's still a hierarchy. It's not the most important thing. It's more important that you bounce it. So if a person comes to me about budget, I'm gonna tell you things like rice and ground beef. Like it's going gonna be your staple. Yeah, value packs are incredible. Tuna fish, inexpensive.

Starting point is 01:17:28 Costco, Costco, vine, meat and bowl. Yeah, egg, guys have lived up tuna cans. Yeah, like had that in the gym and that's what they do too. Yeah, I'm talking about that. Eggs, inexpensive, cottage cheese, cottage cheese, inexpensive, milk, inexpensive. There's a myth out there that eating healthy is inexpensive. It's not. It's not. It's inexpensive. It's actually quite inexpensive to eat healthy and that's not even counting the saved money in healthcare. I don't know. People talk about that. I'm not even talking about that. I'm just talking about your total bill. You buy

Starting point is 01:18:00 ground beef or chicken thighs or tuna fish and eggs and rice and beans and frozen vegetables and some fruit and bulk. Look at your bill and all you do is eat that. You never eat out. You never eat out. You just eat those foods. You'll save money and you'll get fit and you'll get healthy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:19 And there's a bunch of, if you go to the butcher and there's always a meat that they're putting on for sale and it's in bulk and you can always find some, even if it's like organ meat or something like that, you can blend that in with your ground meat and you get a lot more protein up. Yeah, I had a family member who was like, they went to Whole Foods, right?

Starting point is 01:18:37 And they bought steaks for everybody. And they bought the dry aged, whatever, you know, ribeye. Like man, I just spent $300 on stakes because it's so expensive to eat healthy. And like, where'd you go? And it tells me like, dude, come on. Yeah, it's like, bro, yeah, that's expensive. You got dry aged whatever cut, you know,

Starting point is 01:18:58 at the, I said, if you went to Safeway, or Costco, or Costco, got bulk like ground beef, like you know how inexpensive that is, and you get high protein, you'd have, you know, everything that you're looking for. There's definitely a way to do it. 100%. Look, if you love the show, head over to MindPumpFree.com

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