Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2139: The Truth About Margot Robbie's Diet, the Benefits of Switching From Bodybuilding to Powerlifting, Identifying When Exercise Becomes Self-Abuse Instead of Self-Care & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:23 off discount. All right, here comes the show. The Barbie movie hits a billion dollars at the box office, and everybody's talking about Margot Robbie's body. In fact, searches for her diet have exploded by over 1,300% on the internet. Is it good? Does this diet actually work? Well, here's the truth. It's actually not bad at all. There are a couple things you can do to make it even better. This is actually one of the better diets I've seen a celebrity promote.

Starting point is 00:01:50 So I don't get a chance to dive into it. Typically, when you see stuff like this, it's normally trash. Yeah, I've been scarred it right away. Yeah, I don't even look into it anymore when I, you know, what celebrity workout, because half the time it's bullshit, or it's being promoted by something else. There's some supplement line they're trying to put. Some gimmick. Yeah, some half the time it's bullshit, or it's being promoted by something else, there's some supplement line they're trying to put.

Starting point is 00:02:06 Yeah, some gimmick behind it, but it sounds like this wasn't, or at least what you see so far. No, it's all, okay, essentially, this is what it boils down to. Don't eat junk food. Okay. I can't get behind that.

Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah, so it's like, don't eat heavily processed food. It's a protein targeted diet, so it's a high protein. And there's a focus on foods like fish and eggs and stuff like that, vegetables, rice, oatmeal. I mean, there's nothing like a reasonable diet. So part of the hobby, this is the mind pump is what you're saying. Yeah. Now, here's the one way you can make it better. The one way you can make it better is it says, by the way, I want everybody to know this, when celebrity diets come out,

Starting point is 00:02:46 it's probably not what they're actually doing all the time. I think they just get interviewed and then they'll just say, like, oh, this is kind of what I do. My trainer told me. Yeah, but it says she starts out a day with like blueberries and a fruit smoothie and some juice. Not the best way to start the day.

Starting point is 00:03:03 You encourage fluctuations in blood sugar when you do that, and that could cause cravings and energy crashes. Studies will show that starting your day off with protein is much better in regards to cravings and energy. So that's the only thing that I read, according to what they said her diet was, that I thought could be better. Otherwise, I was surprised.

Starting point is 00:03:23 I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't that... I mean, was it that I thought could be better. Otherwise, I was surprised. I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't that... I mean, was it that generic of that, she just says, oh, I target these foods. She's not weighing and measuring. She wasn't calorie counting or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I'll read to you. So I'll read to you kind of what it says in there.

Starting point is 00:03:39 It says, like, breakfast, porridge with blueberries, kale and apple smoothie. That's the one that I think is probably not a great way to start the day. And then lunch is like protein is priority. So lemon, chicken, mac, roll, tomatoes, cucumbers, you know, that kind of stuff. Dinner, protein and carbohydrates, tuna, steak, sweet potatoes.

Starting point is 00:03:58 So nothing really crazy, nothing gimmicky, which I like, usually like I was like you were saying, you read a celebrity diet and they're selling something. Yeah. Or some weird food. And they're going to attribute that to their success. But hers was pretty, I don't know, maybe they caught her off guard if they weren't some kind pepper, you know, cleanse in there somewhere. Like, I started off with lemon juice and pepper. Who did that? Who did that? I think so. That's funny.

Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, because then you're some wacky ideas. I think most times, these celebrities have some sort of, you know, they're tied back to a fit app, they're tied back to a supplement line, they're tied back. And so the whole premise of the workout, the diet or something like that is some way to pitch whatever it is that they're affiliated with. But it sounds like from what you're saying, it doesn't really come across that. No, I was pleasantly surprised. Like, because I'm always afraid, like, I have a daughter, that's a teenager.

Starting point is 00:04:54 And so, now I'm more on the lookout for this kind of stuff. And if a kid read this, it doesn't have bad information so far. Now, I don't know what they're going to release if they're going to change anything, but so far it's not bad advice. I mean if people just ate, we've said this on the show many times, if people ate closer their body weight in grams of protein or their target bodyweight in grams of protein and avoided heavily processed food, that's like 90% of the way there. And most people would get pretty good results. So you've managed to not see it and you have a daughter that's pretty impressive. You already watched it with a... Oh, okay. The only reason why. You know, I heard it's good, but then I also read that girls or girls are breaking up with their boyfriends

Starting point is 00:05:35 after watching it or like bringing them... What? Yeah, I read these tweets and they're like, they're like, if your boyfriend doesn't watch or doesn't like Barbie or understand it, then you need to break up with them I have no idea what happens in the movie. Wow for them to say that. Okay, then nobody in here has seen it Get Breeze yet. Yeah, she did see it. Yeah, okay. Do you have any idea Andrew? Do you have any insight? She liked the movie, but she was I asked her about like, you know Hearing a lot of people were against it and they didn't like it and then other people are like completely other and the spectrum they loved it and she talked about she could

Starting point is 00:06:09 see both sides and for the females and the Barbie they lived in this world were women world the world so they were everything from judges and lawyers to doctors and everything infrastructure and whatnot they didn't need men at all and it was all about female independents and woman empowerment and how much they don't need and then there is a male Barbie called Ken. So the Ken was kind of just like, you know, his, her toy, right? She did she live with. I didn't see the movie. This is how it was explained to me. And so Ken goes out to the real world where he sees the men are running the world. Or at least, you know, how we see things. And so he goes back and he goes back into Barbie and tries to do the same thing.

Starting point is 00:06:47 This is in the real world, this is what happens. This is how it works in Barbie. He's like, man, you're supposed to do this and do that and they take care of this and they wear everything. Now I see there's a big deal. The way they positioned Ken was, they kind of positioned him like a fool. Or like they lean into like the bros side of it,

Starting point is 00:07:01 like whenever Ken, the man eventually went into war and they just like silly, like they just kind of dramaticized around me. Interesting. That's smart. Now I know why there's a bit of a bit of a fight. Yeah, that's smart, a smart way to position that movie. Of course a lot of people are gonna watch that.

Starting point is 00:07:16 Yeah. I'd like to see Barbie World meets GI Joe. Yeah. I see what's up. Yeah, I do. I do. Now remember when you saw how you reconciled with Snake Eyes. You know what I was a kid how you reconcile with snake eyes. You know what I was a kid?

Starting point is 00:07:27 It was always a kid. Like the girls played with Barbie, right? And then the guys played with J.I. Joe. And did you guys do this? Did you Jiu Jiu's always beat the shit out of him? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Crypt their head off.

Starting point is 00:07:38 Of course. But Ken was always big. He was like this big ass doll and Jiu's with this big, but they just whippered his ass. Yeah. Well, originally the J Joe's were even bigger, because they were trying to like make it so like, boys had any interest in dolls and it was just like,

Starting point is 00:07:51 it's so hilarious, because action figure, just that term, changed everything. Did you know that? I didn't know that. So you must have watched the same documentary I did. Oh, the toys that made us. Yes, made us. So they saw the popularity of dolls for girls.

Starting point is 00:08:06 And they said, we need to make one for boys. And they tried and boys are like, I don't think I'll hell no. So they invented the term action figure. And then they made GI Joe smaller and they made them be able to be posed in different positions. Yeah, they can articulate them and grab things and be functional instead of just some big dumb doll. That's so interesting.

Starting point is 00:08:28 That's something dumb. You're just one of those boys who works out here. I don't want a doll. I'll take an action figure. Marketing worked on me a hundred percent. I'm so fascinated by human psychology. I think that's just so interesting how you can totally shift an entire culture by just changing the name of something. Totally. Oh, that's a so interesting how you can totally shift an entire culture by just changing the name of something.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Totally. Oh, that's a great point. You can see how when people try to change words, why people, I guess not a big deal. It is. It's a very big deal. That's a perfect example of that right there. It's like, we think in words, things take shape

Starting point is 00:08:58 because of words. There's even some theories that say that, if you didn't understand words, you wouldn't think in the same way. So scientists will talk about that, which is kind of, my favorite was he, man, of course't understand words, you wouldn't think in the same way. So scientists will talk about that, which is kind of, my favorite was he man, of course. I love, you guys have he man? Yeah, he was the best.

Starting point is 00:09:11 He, remember you said, it's awkward to watch it now. Yeah, I'm an adult. I'm talking about the action figures. Do you remember you used to be able to twist them and let go and they'd like punch? Yeah. Yeah, those were cool.

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Starting point is 00:10:10 Okay. You totally made that happen. Now, to the stuff that I couldn't wait to talk to you guys about because I think that we've gone back and forth. Sal and I have had some heated debates and conversations off air, on air about Andrew Tate. And I'll, the first to admit always when I feel like I'm wrong about something, right? And so not that I think I ever got behind Andrew Tate and said, like, oh, we would be buddies,

Starting point is 00:10:33 but I've defended some of the things that he said because to be honest, 90% of what that man has said, I don't disagree with just being straightforward. But I saw for the first time a, what would you call like a compilation of videos of Andrew Tate talking about the way. And I've never fully understood exactly how he made his millions of dollars to get to his own. I had some some idea of it. You know, I know he did some stuff with the web camps and like that. I know he has kind of these men mastermind stuff, but I've never really heard him tell the kind of the story of how I did it exactly how he made the money. I came across this clip a character and why now I would strongly disagree with the way he's gone about things

Starting point is 00:11:33 because he literally is hurting the exact people that he claims to be trying to help in some of the more representing things. So in the clip, so he had a webcam business where girls would talk to guys in bikinis or various states of undress and the guys would give them money. These businesses exist. They're not great businesses.

Starting point is 00:11:53 I think a lot of people realize that they're not the best way to make money, not very moral, whatever. Fine. You can have your judgments, but he was a part of it. But that didn't bother his fans. None of that bothered his fans. Then the people said, oh, you took't bother his fans. None of that bothered his fans. Then the people said, oh, you took advantage of the women. None of the women came forward.

Starting point is 00:12:08 We know why now? What these women would do is they would get on these webcams and they would pretend to type back to these men, but really who was typing back was Tate and his brother. And they would type what the girl would, you know, quote unquote, be saying or whatever. And they would manipulate these men into giving them money. Now here's where he kills himself.

Starting point is 00:12:31 Because Tate's got this following that seems to be kind of like bulletproof almost, right? He can do no wrong type of deal. But this is a following made up of young men who feel like they need leadership. They want to feel stronger. They want to feel empowered. In these videos, he talks and laughs about manipulating these guys and it's taking their money and

Starting point is 00:12:51 lying to them and he jokes about it and thinks it's funny. So to your point, Adam, I don't know how he's going to survive that. It's him literally saying, you idiots, I'll take all your money, I'll milk you from all your cash. Basically, the very people he says that need help, that need leadership, we need more masculine, we need whatever, these poor guys have been taking advantage of. He's doing that. Well, I needed to see that, too, and it's good that they got clips of him literally

Starting point is 00:13:20 saying that. So it was like, it's not somebody spec know, somebody speculating that this is might have been what he was doing, or he was literally coming out clean of like this, these are the methods I was applying towards these men. And like, I was, and he was joking about it. Like I was able to like, get all this money from the sky, like, and, and basically tell the story that, you know, one of the girls needed to get out of the country and was going to the embassy and just pure lies, just a pure con.

Starting point is 00:13:51 Like, literally a con. So if you look at that just from a, you know, about their character, about their morality in general, you know, you have to really question then later on, like, what, what, they're actually saying that's, that's true and authentic versus like what they're just wanting you to hear. Yeah, that's a good point. The most interesting thing about all of this to me is that it's crazy where the divide is on him, right?

Starting point is 00:14:16 There's a lot of people that were in my DMs that were talking shit to me, like that I defend, and you take, and he is this human trafficker, Pam, and I'm like, these people are arguing the wrong way about Andrew Tate, because here's a deal. I bet you he gets, I don't remember, I said that he's not gonna get charged with any of this stuff. He's gonna get away with all of it.

Starting point is 00:14:37 The main thing that they're coming after. Wearing a green, agreeing, that's why there's no girls coming out. Can you not see how this all unfolded? You have a couple of very attractive girlfriends of yours who are probably already doing only fans since there's a huge percentage of young girls that are utilizing this as a tool,

Starting point is 00:14:54 probably not making very much money. And he goes, come here, let me show you. Turbo charges your business. And turbo charges your business. You make more money than you ever making yourself. That's the reason why none of these girls feel like they were taking advantage of is because they, and that's why this is this whole case is going to get thrown out. And he's like, but you guys are making the wrong argument about him. That's not the right argument because it's not the

Starting point is 00:15:16 true one. It's what what is true. And he said it himself is that he is taking advantage of these young men, the same young men that he has built his entire business around trying to prop up and say, I'm here to lead you and help you and support you. So that's the part that I think is, the coup d'-gra-ah with him and his business. Now there is a percentage of people, Sal, and why he won't go away.

Starting point is 00:15:40 That doesn't mean the douchebag alpha guys. Yeah, well, you took advantage of those betas because that's what we're supposed to do. Right. So here's the, I don't think you should make that statement. Here's why. He's obviously a liar. He's obviously a liar.

Starting point is 00:15:52 The information that you're quoting right now about nobody coming forward came from his mouth. We don't know. It's only when he says fair. That's fair. Now take that. Here's the stance I've always taken with Andertate. A lot of stuff he says is true. I don't like him.

Starting point is 00:16:05 And there was, I couldn't necessarily put my finger on it. He figured out, because he had enough content. He's not the kind of guy I'd want my kid to follow. He doesn't seem like a good guy. And now it's very clear that he has the dark, what they call the dark triad of personality traits, the personality dysfunctional traits. He's narcissists, classic extreme narcissists.

Starting point is 00:16:25 He believes he is better and smarter, and he'll say this. He lacks empathy. He's Machiavellian, meaning he's very manipulative. He schemes in plans. He also admits this. Right. 3D chess player.

Starting point is 00:16:37 And he's also a psychopath. Zero empathy. Does not care. And he also talks about not caring. Yeah. Those kind of people can get very far in society because they tend to be charismatic. They tend to use truth.

Starting point is 00:16:49 This is what he did. He did say things that were true. That's how he grabs you. Then his charisma pulls you in. Then if you're susceptible to that because you don't have a good father figure, you maybe feel like you're beat down, you know, girls are turning you down, whatever.

Starting point is 00:17:03 You're like, this guy seems strong, he seems confident, I want to follow Sky, and then you believe all the bullshit that he says. Now here's where I'm gonna not defend him, but I'm gonna talk to the young men right now who follow him. Here's the big problem, this is with any celebrity or anybody who's got any pull or even us, okay?

Starting point is 00:17:20 Even us if you listen to us, nobody's an angel. Do not worship celebrities. You could take things that people say that are true and that work for you, find out that that person's a piece of crap, but still realize that the statement or thing that they said was true. Because what I'm afraid of is a lot of young men who felt like he helped them

Starting point is 00:17:39 are gonna see him talk about how he manipulated other men through the opposite direction. And now they're gonna be like, oh, all that stuff is garbage. No, no, no, what he said about working out, what he said about picking yourself up, what he said about working hard, what he said about standing tall,

Starting point is 00:17:52 like all those are true. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because the guy that you idolize turned out to be a piece of crap. Most people are in some way, shape, form, totally fluts. He's very excited to his mind. He's very flawed.

Starting point is 00:18:07 I think that's a great way to say it, because that's, and from the very beginning, that was, and people thought that I was defending him and his character. I'm like, I don't know, like many people that we've talked about before. I don't know their character. I don't know who they are as a person.

Starting point is 00:18:20 But what I would defend was the lot of the things he was saying. I agree, and I still agree with a lot of reason. It doesn't mean that I can separate the two. I can say, I don't know why that is. It's so funny, but it makes sense. It's the reason why we play identity politics, right? Instead of actually going after people's policies

Starting point is 00:18:36 and what do they do for the country, it's like, let me go tack their character and then get to convince them that they're a bad president, a bad person because they did this or that. It's like, you can do both. You can have somebody who says a lot of the right, smart things, and at the same time, them not a good person.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Yeah, it's because we, well, of course, there's extremes that would apply. You wouldn't want to find out somebody was like, a murderer or something like that. Like that would change everything. But it's because largely we want gods to worship. It's a fact. If you don't worship, actively worship

Starting point is 00:19:13 a perfect thing, which would be a god, which would be god, right? Perfect. Then you'll inevitably end up worshiping people or something else and you'll end up, you'll idolize them, Literally, you're idolizing. And this is what you see. Celebrities become idolized where they could do no wrong. Like somebody who sings really well or makes amazing music, then you hear bad news about

Starting point is 00:19:36 them, you don't want to believe it. People had a tough time believing Bill Cosby did what he did or Michael Jackson did what he did. Why? Because Bill Cosby's funny. He's a great actor. The halo effect. You know, yeah, the truth is that by the way,

Starting point is 00:19:50 there's a bit of a self-selection bias with famous people. Yeah. If you want to find it, want to be famous, right? If you want to find a greater percentage of macchivalian tendencies, narcissistic tendencies and psychopathic tendencies tendencies look no further than famous people, whether it be bullet politicians or celebrities.

Starting point is 00:20:09 People who seek that. Especially actors, I mean, they're portraying different person. They're not even like, they're good at it. Authentically being themselves, yeah, they're very good at it. And they're very good at winning you over because that's their entire way they get businesses

Starting point is 00:20:23 to be able to win over these Directors and these casting people well look how good tainted I mean the fact that he was able to go on Countless podcasts that disagreed with them Tucker Carlson Candace Owens. I mean He's had what's his face from the UK that's like a hard interviewer. I mean he's done a lot of these interviews where You know, and I think where people went wrong was again like a hard interviewer. I mean, he's done a lot of these interviews where, you know, and I think where people went wrong was, again, I think they were trying to pin something on him

Starting point is 00:20:50 that either one hasn't been proven yet or can't be proved potentially or isn't true. Versus, I think the total flaw in this whole thing is that like, man, you're whole missing. You claim that you're like chosen to go help young men and that they need that so bad, you at the same time you're taking an advantage of them. Yeah, it's not a hard, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:11 It's not a, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's tell it's always like wrapped in with truth. And you have to lead with the truth first in order to pull them in and win them over. And then it just inevitably starts to go into that that behavioral pattern of like, I know everything and everybody's following me. So now I can really ramp this up and get them

Starting point is 00:21:39 to do things that I also myself. I felt it. I mean, just watching this video, the bravado, that's what I kept saying in the past podcast. It was just bravado. Like, he could say the exact same thing sometimes, maybe a little differently, but the exact same thing is someone not like Jordan Peterson.

Starting point is 00:21:55 Sometimes the messages actually sound similar, not always, obviously, but sometimes it sounds similar. But it was the bravado, and like, if I made him on the street and he talked to me, but like, yeah, I like kind of what you're saying, but I don't like you, there's something about you I don't like, and that's what I kept pointing to. It was like, shake it.

Starting point is 00:22:11 So I like it. The litmus test to me would be like, would you want your kid having that person as a real life mentor, not just on the internet? And I'd probably be like, no, I don't want him hanging around with us, dude. Right. But yeah, he's 100% that narcissistic, macchavillion psychopath.

Starting point is 00:22:26 The unfortunate part, I was having this conversation with the friend of mine. I shared that same video with him because, again, it is my style. If I felt like I was, especially since you and I got into it about him multiple times. I mean, you had a better judge of his character than I did. Plain and simple. We both agree that we agree a lot. He said, I gave him more latitude or potential belief that, oh, playing simple. We both agree that we agree a lot already said. I gave him more latitude or potential belief that,

Starting point is 00:22:48 oh, maybe he's not as bad of a guy. Let's see what he looks like if we were to meet him in person. But, I mean, to me, it's clear as day. It's, I've seen enough now and understand how he makes his money clearly. That, and that, to me, that's it. I'm not gonna get caught up in all the other stuff that people are talking about,

Starting point is 00:23:06 but I was talking to my buddy about this, and he's like, you know, that's why we have people like Jordan Peterson. I see you have, but the unfortunate part is that Jordan Peterson attracts an intellect. It attracts a older, more mature, wiser, well-read man. And there is a huge amount of young boys that are starving for good leadership and good information. And unfortunately, that's where he capitalized.

Starting point is 00:23:36 He capitalized on the 15 to 25-year-old young man that agreed with a lot of what he was saying. And then because of that, automatically attached that this is a good leader, this is a good person to follow. And I feel like we need that. We need somebody for that demographic. No, this just takes a shot, right? It just knocks down these men, these young men, like they don't want to follow any. This is what happens in the fitness space often is that because they're insecure, right?

Starting point is 00:24:04 When you're insecure, it's easy to be manipulated. And what happens in the fitness space is people, someone's insecure about their way. They follow this fad or this, they take this pill, doesn't work for them. Eventually, they just give up. So what hurts me about this is I wonder if there's like, there's young men who follow him, who this is their last chant. This is the last time they're going to try. Then they find this out, their hero falls,

Starting point is 00:24:27 they never try again. And there's a percentage of people that might be there. And that makes me, that makes me a lot of fun. I was trying to imagine if, you know, like the difference of like our character, right, as as as as as as men, like how we differ from someone that like what, what, what would we have to do in our space

Starting point is 00:24:44 to be to put it be put in that category? Like I was, what would we have to do in our space to be put in that category? Like I was thinking like, we would have to sell the health and fitness messages hard as we do while simultaneously selling people some sort of a supplement or pill that intentionally makes them sicker and and fatter. Right? Like that's literally like the same thing. Like it would be like our message, or making fun of people. And then no, and then in addition to that, in addition to that bragging, when we go places, like, oh yeah, we've made millions off of this subway we gave,

Starting point is 00:25:12 and it actually makes all these people fatter and sicker and stuff like that. And then on our podcast, we talk all about the importance of health and fitness. It's a democracy. Yeah, it's like that's, and I honestly think that's worth than all worse than a lot of the accusations that he's being hit with.

Starting point is 00:25:28 And that's where people are going wrong here. So going after all these other rumors or other things that have been tied to him and say, you don't even eat wide waist time. I'm talking about that literally talk about what that man is admitting that he's already came out and said that he did. That's the argument.

Starting point is 00:25:41 Yeah, I want to back up to you to what you said about like judging character. You know, that reminds me of something. I think that's real important. Yeah, I want to back up to you to what you said about judging character. That reminds me of something, I think that's real important, that I think, this is true for everybody. It's really important that you have good friends that you trust because you're going to miss something, they're going to pick up and vice versa. So, I tend to be more judgy than you. That works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I will think

Starting point is 00:26:06 someone's a particular way. You tend to reserve judgment and it turns out that you were right. And that means that together we're able to move a little further because I trust you. You know, I've trust Justin the same way and Doug. So it's important to have those friends because you will miss certain things. Like you're gonna, you're gonna, and I guarantee you that my opinion as much as we debated, probably had you pause a little bit as well, just like yours does. No one's batting a thousand, that's impossible.

Starting point is 00:26:31 No, and I think the thing that's to add to that, that I think is so important, what I love about you guys is, and I know about you guys, even though there's sometimes we get comments that, people, the irony that people thought that like I was really defending, can't you take it or like I thought, like I'm not like a follower of this guy at all

Starting point is 00:26:48 It's just like I I've seen clips. I've heard the controversy back and forth So I've watched some things and I like a lot of what he said like I still stand behind that But this idea that you people get so attached to a character that's that's not even who I am I don't care. I don't even Jordan Pearson I love Jordan Peterson as a like what he has to I am. I don't care. Even Jordan Pearson, I love Jordan Peterson as a, like what he has to say, but I don't idolize the guy. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna defend him to the tee.

Starting point is 00:27:11 And I love that we all have that ability to be able to look at someone, what they're saying, go back and forth. Oh, I like him. Oh, I don't like him and be able to have this conversation. Meanwhile, I'm not so, you know, I'm not so sucked in by it that I can't find something like that that, oh, now I see it. Okay, now it makes sense. The last time that happened to me kind of, so Arnold Schwarzenegger's always somebody

Starting point is 00:27:34 that I looked up to in the sense that he was an immigrant, he's built businesses, he's accomplished things, he said he was going to yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy, right? So as a kid, I followed him. And then remember during during the pandemic he did that video, fuck you freedom so whatever yeah my heart was like crush. I know I come on Arnold I couldn't believe it but then like you know didn't want to believe it yeah I know but then a week later I'm like why am I like of course you know he's got his opinions that doesn't take anything away from all the other stuff that he's done. And if I met the guy and we hung out, I would tell him. They were like, I liked all this other stuff, but then I think he said,

Starting point is 00:28:07 we'll stoop it. And then I'm sure he'd be fine, maybe. It's a dumb thing you said. Yeah, so. And then you move on. I'dalizing people, you're gonna, they're, it's, they're gonna let you down. There isn't a single human on earth that won't let you down if you idolize them. It's just a hundred percent of the time, too.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Not sometimes, not most, like a hundred percent of the time. At one point, they will. It's just that at one point They won't live up to that. Yeah, I did listen to The P.B.D. and Joe Roganich Oh, you listen the whole thing. I got about halfway. I never listened to a full Joe Rogan I always say like that one got me I was interested in the

Starting point is 00:28:37 You know what was good about that is was like they were interviewing each other. I know. Yeah, I love P.B.D He's good. I really do I can't Interview Joe see I just get to be care. I say I love P. I love that. I can't interview you. See I get me care I say I love PBD. I don't fucking know the man. I haven't hung out with a good father Terrible person like you know it's like just cuz I say something like that. It's like you have his content I do I love the content he puts out I love a lot of things that he talks about Patrick bet David because nobody knows what PB is I think a lot of people know Everybody. Yeah, you're right. Pena better dessert.

Starting point is 00:29:05 That's a way that I'm. It's a great book too that I think I've talked about on the show before your next five moves that I think is an excellent read. So I think that podcast was good. Boy, Rogan, he got Rogan really, because one thing sometimes Joe Rogan does is he waffles a little bit. Yes. Like he's not, he won't like 100% say or he's calculated on certain things.

Starting point is 00:29:25 And he's holding his cards a lot of times and so you don't get a lot of like his real opinions to come out because he wants his guests to really be able to. And I thought Patrick did that. He did. So he basically, I mean, there was a couple of times where Patrick's like, it's Joe Rogan's show and Patrick was like, so let me ask you this.

Starting point is 00:29:42 And he was giving him scenarios. I was interviewing him. I would say, so Rogan ask you this. And he was giving him scenarios. I was interviewing him. I would say, so Rogan went, I mean, he went hard. He went hard on the COVID vaccine. They talked about politics. He would, I guess he would qualify, what's the euphemism, euphemism, a red pill. Is what it sounds like?

Starting point is 00:29:58 How he talked about how Trump did these good things, doesn't like the guy, but he did these good things. If he had to choose between him and Biden, I would vote Trump. And I haven't yet seen the backlash or what's gonna happen, you know, from him saying that, but I can only imagine he's gonna be public enemy number one. Did you think, so after listening,

Starting point is 00:30:15 I sent a text to you like, do you think he's gonna get Trump on the show? Oh, I think he did. That would break the internet. I think he's doing that. He might, I mean, I hope. I'm sure he's been kicking that idea around quite a bit. And plus they met at that one when you have see event, right?

Starting point is 00:30:27 Yeah. So it's like, I'm sure that's been on his mind quite a bit. So when, when does it, the timing of it makes sense? So here's the great question because a lot of people like, why didn't you just do it? As much as it could help Trump, it could hurt him depending on what he says. Trump right now is leading so far in the primaries. He's so far ahead of all of his competitors for becoming the nominee that it's smarter for him not to say anything. He's not even gonna do the debates. Yeah, it's like you're fighting,

Starting point is 00:30:54 it's like you're in a boxing match, it's the 12th round. You've knocked down your opponent every single round leading up to this one. You're not gonna go just play defense. You're just gonna play, yeah, you're just gonna run away and stand around because you won, right?

Starting point is 00:31:05 That's a smart, smart way to fight there. Trump so far ahead that if he says anything, the likelihood that it'll hurt him is higher, then it'll help him. He doesn't need any help right now. In fact, he alluded to not doing debates for the primaries, which is very smart. He said, I can't wait. I look forward to watching these guys debate to see me using my busy, my busy, my busy, near vice president.

Starting point is 00:31:25 Which is actually a smart thing to say because everybody so far behind, he might get the people to do is to not attack him in the primaries when they're debating each other because we're not gonna win. So the best thing I could do is try and get on his good side and set up to be a VP. I mean, it's actually smart. Is he still indicted right now?

Starting point is 00:31:41 Like is he still going through the courts? Yeah, but nothing he got charged with the third time, right? Yeah, but nothing he got charged with would prevent him from running. It wasn't, and none of the stuff was, um, I don't remember, there was one charge that didn't do. That would be the one that would prevent him from. I just find it interesting that, um, a lot of the propaganda leading into, like the Russian collusion and all this was proven not true.

Starting point is 00:32:02 People still hold onto that. Listen, they're, it's clear. I don't care what you're saying is you don't trust the justice system. This is what you're saying to me. Listen, I don't care if you like him, don't like him, whatever, it doesn't matter. 100% the, this is a political witch hunt.

Starting point is 00:32:20 I guess it's clear. There are Democrats that are saying it. What I can't get public attention. What I can't get about my brain around though though is if it's a smart strategy or not. It's the Hail Mary strategy that they have. You know what? In a bad position, the Democrats are in right now. They either have Biden run, which if he decides the run, he will.

Starting point is 00:32:38 He can. He's the guy. And he's clearly in some pretty bad stages of dementia, clearly, clearly. His favorability is dropping. A lot of people are blaming the Democrats for the pandemic response and stuff like that. They have note with him, it's bad. And then if he steps down,

Starting point is 00:32:59 which it looks like some people in the Democrat party are trying to get him to do, then you'll have someone like Gavin Newsom. So I think their best bet is to go against the guy they know that they've beat before and they kind of have the script, which is Trump. But I don't know, I don't know, man. We'll see what happens.

Starting point is 00:33:14 Because it's, yeah, it's gonna be real interesting, leading up like what they pull out. Cause I mean, yeah, all they have is like a, a Newsom is like their sort of dark horse they're gonna see if they can bring him in. They'll like him anybody. Oh, you gotta do his look at California. Yeah, yeah So that he's gonna be isn't pretty obvious what like the moves and things that he's doing right? He's kind of like quietly campaigning right now. He's their next golden boy for sure. He's their next golden boy He's got the looks. He's got the talk

Starting point is 00:33:44 He's got the pedigree's got the talk. Yeah, he's got the pedigree Just make irrelevant points and do nothing of Substance. Yeah, but God isn't RFK doesn't he isn't he under the D. RFK is so I love what he's doing He's so He's but he's Democrat isn't he? Yeah, he is running if they run a primary he would be able to run But I do not sure they only run a primary of Joe decides not to, to, to elect to go again. Then they run the primary. Okay. What it went here? Okay. So here's some other speculation that Biden steps down temporarily making Kamala. The president and then they

Starting point is 00:34:18 have to primary, which would make Kamala the first female president. Now just think about how angry. I about how angry Hillary. We're gonna have to have it. Oh, you have that, you can't do it. She was supposed to be the first female. She was, yeah. And they can't go get to the ball people. Oh, God, dude, I know.

Starting point is 00:34:38 It was so funny. I mean, we're coming right real in the next month or two, right? It really should start heating up, no? It's gonna start heating up, yeah. Pretty good. It's already, we're already starting to get into the, they spend so much money, do you? They already pulled our content, what the fuck?

Starting point is 00:34:51 Oh, can you believe that? I know. What the hell? The sensor machines are back. Our video that said that men are weak, why men are weak today, which we're talking about the things affecting young men. It was a clip that got pulled off the Instagram

Starting point is 00:35:04 for what was the hate speech? Hate speech. Hate speech. Because we said, why men are weak today? That's crazy. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. I, well, so.

Starting point is 00:35:14 Yes it is. No, I know that. I know that, but I'm saying it's, because people reported it, right? And then as you get to play it. I don't think it's someone Instagram. I mean, that's the thing is that it's, it's really silly how, like, I mean, that's the thing. That's the thing. It's really how, I mean, I'm the one who always kind of calms us down about like calm

Starting point is 00:35:30 down like the government's not coming after us, never trying to shut us down. Okay, calm down. Literally the way it works. It's an algorithm. Obviously, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all these things are massive. They do not have the time to go around and pick every little podcast and everything that they say that isn't aligned with them. But what they do is all it takes is 30 carons, you know, I'm 30 is just a, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:53 this is made of numbers. These are probably darons. Yeah, carons are darons that are offended by the content to report it and that's enough to trigger the automatic pull and warning that gets sent out. So I mean, that's just to trigger the automatic pull and warning that gets sent out. So, I mean, that's just, that obviously that clip. I mean, what a weird place to be in as a content creator where you know these are the things that need to be talked about. These are the things that need to be said.

Starting point is 00:36:18 You know that you don't want to waffle around, like you're saying Joe is doing, you want, you know, I firmly believe, if you don't stand for Anything you'll fall for anything. So hey, this is what I believe I believe this is an important message Let's say it. Let's tell people but then you have this you know, we're like oh if I do that though I'm gonna probably pull it and we have such a we have a large enough following now that it's not hard to piss 30 Carons off with any piece of content and so unless we stay so neutral that all we talk about is exercise and we don't talk

Starting point is 00:36:49 about anything else, it's like, okay, that's the only way that we don't get stuff going. That's right, because that's a health issue. The stuff that we listed on there was backed by data. Men are being affected disproportionately by the things that we listed. And it's growing and getting worse. Men are weaker today than they were before. Yeah. Like these are all facts. Yes.

Starting point is 00:37:06 And a lot of guys need to hear this because they might not be aware of what's happening, what they're doing to themselves, with some of the things that we talked about. So it's whatever we'll see. But I mean, we talked to somebody about this and who does this for a living, and they said that larger accounts,

Starting point is 00:37:26 there's something you can set up that will help protect against that because lots of large accounts will have groups of people try to shut them down if they disagree with you. I mean, I imagine what we're basically paying for is for that, you know, auto algorithm to be stopped. And then if we get, or if we get flagged, then they have to manually go in and check themselves. And then as long as it passes and they're like, oh, it's like, oh, it's like,

Starting point is 00:37:51 Lane Norton has got kicked off by now, you know? That guy pisses everybody off half time. So he's, I know he's dealt with stuff. He has, yeah, he's got stuff pulled before. For the same reason, I'm sure. I know, for just rubbing people the wrong way. All right, speaking of rubbing things the wrong way and crazy shit.

Starting point is 00:38:04 What is that video that you showed me? Someone used AI and made me promote a product. Now, we don't promote you. Yes. To Turkestown or to the other. How about the fact that you're on? Oh, Acti-Stare on, that's what. Acti-Stare on.

Starting point is 00:38:17 Yeah, I sent it to Doug, actually. We can do you think. We can think. Correct. Yes, somebody sent it to me. What the hell? Somebody sent it to me and I sent it to Doug. Half one to give Doug a heads up that someone's doing this.

Starting point is 00:38:28 Oh, Doug gets so many. I know, he gets that's why I sent it to him and everybody else. I sent it to him to get on it right away, which I knew he would. Also though, like, hey, good job editing here. I was like, I mean, I mean, wasn't a clip of you actually mentioning it to steering? Oh, yeah, I mentioned it before.

Starting point is 00:38:43 Oh, one time ago, what did you do? So they string it together with? Yeah, and then they then they maybe say stuff that I didn't actually say like promoting their product with your voice Or like with your media and your face everything everything what I don't think they say you say their product I don't yes. Yes, he does. Oh, he does. He says the name of the product. He says it's great And then he says this is where you get it. get it. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. That is so good. Yeah, so good. So good, but so dishonest. Super dishonest.

Starting point is 00:39:09 Super dishonest. You're disgusting company, even though you have flattered me with the fact that I can't do so well. They're a German company. I mean, oh, I'm such a good salesperson, people, you're so much bullshit about this game. I mean, it reminds me of the old supplement game of like you put stuff that you know is a steroid and it doesn't, but it hasn't been put on the list yet, right? You just get a slap on the horse.

Starting point is 00:39:30 Like, that's the only thing that's going to happen. Like, who knows how long that ad has been running out? Nobody can keep up with this. If AI, there are AI apps right now that you could do, and people could do this a million times, how you going to stop them? Yeah. Look, here's a deal. If you want to know if we legitimately support a product,

Starting point is 00:39:46 go to mindpumppartners.com. Only the partners that we have are listed there. That's how you know if it was a real, so if you listen to the show and you heard that clip, you'd be like, that's interesting. I don't know. I mean, would you say it that way? Go to mindpump partners and see.

Starting point is 00:40:00 By the way, empty sterone, yeah, empty sterone does have some potential benefits. I wouldn't recommend to everyone, and I don't have a company that I would promote it with because I haven't found one yet that's legit. In fact, a lot of fake stuff out there, and I don't know this company, but if they went out of their way to use me

Starting point is 00:40:16 and use AI to make me say that their stuff is good, then they're probably full of crap. So I wouldn't buy their stuff. I heard that their stuff, their pills have monkey pox in it So you probably don't want to get monkey pox. I mean wasn't the last time this happened Adam had like his Picture of when you were competing Loan up to this huge poster

Starting point is 00:40:38 I Mean we live in this weird time like that man. We're that's gonna happen more I'll just more how disturbing I didn't realize that they actually used his voice to say their brand. Wow. They did. How disturbing. There's females, there are female actresses and people

Starting point is 00:40:52 who will get their, they'll deep fake them and then make them do porn and shit. How disturbing would that be if someone sent you a video and it was you doing some sh**, some sexual sh** that you would never, it wasn't't you like how disturbing to see that Already that's my alibi My frackle really good. Yeah, how do they know you had a mole there? Freckle really good. Yeah, how do they know you had a mole there? That's weird. No, no, yeah, it's very predictive

Starting point is 00:41:26 It's super intelligent. I don't understand Complete a thing you see I know did you guys did either of you guys watch the Jake Paul fight at all Just some clips so you won by yeah, I went to this decision. It was actually to fight. Yeah, I mean how much does he outweigh? What's his name by is it but does he outweigh him by? No, they wait in, they weighed in. Yeah, it was weighed in. It was tall and, yeah. Oh, filled out.

Starting point is 00:41:48 Okay, yeah. I thought the ball of these boxing matches, I think that they have, they still have weights that they have to come in. They do, it's not considered. Yeah, when they get in there and box, like, I don't know, I can't speak to all his fights, he's there on the line.

Starting point is 00:42:00 Cause I know exhibition, they don't, it doesn't matter where you're with us. Yeah, these are, huh? 185, and I've came in at 185. Wow. Yeah, these are considered, these are considered pro fights. So they're sanctioning everything. I mean, yeah, and they, and they go on the record

Starting point is 00:42:12 of whether he's a, yeah, so, so you watch the fight, was he? So I've watched most of his fights now. I didn't watch like the very first one, when he did the ones that go with KSI, like the original ones, but I've, I've followed his journey. I'm just curious, right? So, and I know I'm like, I'm not, like, I don't think he's like this amazing,

Starting point is 00:42:27 but I tell you what, man, he's a good boxer. He's getting better and better. I mean, and he, he's been improving quite a bit. He is, he's a good athlete. Yeah, and I really think that this is the future of what we're gonna see in like, mixed martial arts, I even think that he is going to disrupt M&E.

Starting point is 00:42:48 Did you guys happen to watch his documentary yet? Yeah, oh, you did. It was great. I did watch it. So okay, how fascinating is his partner? His partner that came from UFC, right? He was the CFO. He sent him out.

Starting point is 00:42:59 The CFO of UFC. I forget the guy's name. Nikista or something like that. He is partners with Jake Paul in building their own promotion fight, fight company. He looked at him as the ultimate marketing mouthpiece, you know, the one that like could really not just also be a boxer and be in it, but then also like promote the hell out of it. And all he has to do is like, you know, what he did for the UFC, anyway, with him to disrupt the whole game completely.

Starting point is 00:43:26 Yeah, and these guys aren't just trying to disrupt boxing. They're trying to disrupt MMA too. It's an Akisa Bidarian. Yeah. Now, are they, so I'm sure they're setting up an MMA fight now. So he offered him $10 million. So I think he, I mean, he'll lose on the ground for sure. That's a world-class for just a guy.

Starting point is 00:43:42 Oh, I mean, actually, dude, Dias gave a run for his money boxing. Well, he's a world-class for just a guy. Oh, I mean actually dude. Diaz gave a run for his money boxing Well, he's a pro fighter. I mean, he's had a few boxing so what made the fun the fight kind of fun to watch So the first couple rounds spoiled. I'm gonna share how this thing goes down But I'm a kid's already over right? Yeah, it's over so the first couple rounds Jake comes out and looks more dominant as the The well-rounded boxer. And Nate looks like he's just goofing around like he does. You know what I'm saying? Messin' with the mess.

Starting point is 00:44:11 But as the rounds go on, I get deeper in around six, seven, and eight, you start to see Jake start to tire out a little bit and I tell you what, Diaz has just got a gas tank. Oh, those guys are crazy. Oh my God. And take a beating. You know, they compete in triad rounds for fun.

Starting point is 00:44:29 Yeah. And so crazy. And he, I really think if it went 12 rounds, it would have been a way closer. It was very obvious that Jake Paul won the fight. How many rounds ago? It was a 10. Okay. And by the way, it was supposed to be eight and Diaz's camp fought for 10. Sure. And so they agreed a 10. Okay. And by the way, it was supposed to be eight and DS's camp fought for 10.

Starting point is 00:44:45 And so they agreed to 10. I wish it would have went 12 because as the fights kept going on and on, like DS looked good, dude, that's the way. And dude, for a guy who is an MMA fighter for him to be able to hang like that from somebody's boxing, I mean, I just, I got more respect from DS from that. I don't think it was a good look for Paul

Starting point is 00:45:03 as far as his boxing career he's doing right now. In fact, you can see, what's his Nikisha? Is that his name? Nikisha, whatever. His partner, he's sitting like, ringside, like we're the cameras at 90% of the time, like that seat that you can see him the whole time or what I thought. And you can see his facial expressions during the fight as the fight was going on, like I think they really expected him to knock him out within like four rounds And that was the they needed the story to go that way and so CDS hanging there goofing around and still like hanging with this guy Who's like you they're trying to make this case that he's a serious boxer and he's and you know

Starting point is 00:45:39 I think that was not a good look for him Well, it wasn't so it was Tyson Fury Fury before that, right? Tommy, or Tommy, yeah. So that was like his first real, like legit boxing match with a boxer. Yes. And he won people over with that. He did because, and he lost, but he took him the distance. Yeah, everybody, he could fight for a war.

Starting point is 00:45:57 Oh, he could definitely. I'd be on the shadow of the, oh, I mean, the knockout that he's done with, like Tyrone Woodley, and like, I mean, those were like, he put people to sleep. Speaking of beat downs, did you guys see the those immigrant business owners beat down the dude stealing all the stuff that they're the convenience store? Did you see that?

Starting point is 00:46:16 Did you see that? No. So it's this street justice. Yeah. And by the way, they're probably going to get, it looks like they're going to get charged with a salt or something like that. What?

Starting point is 00:46:26 So the clip shows, they're two seek business owners, so immigrant business owners, and there's a dude wearing a ski mask or whatever, and he's just stealing shit behind the counter. And they're like, another story, another story, apparently it's the third time, this same guy shot lifted them, okay.

Starting point is 00:46:44 And they're, he's taking it and they're like telling them like to stop, apparently it's the third time. This is the same guy shoplifted them, okay. And they're like telling them to stop whatever, he's not stopping. Guy filming, it's like there's nothing you could do. Nothing you could do. He even asked the guy for a pack of, so I don't know what from behind the counter. Almost like he's like, making a joke out of it. He's like all the cigarettes.

Starting point is 00:46:58 Yeah, and he's like, there's nothing you could do to the business owners. And so finally, the guy goes to leave. He's got literally, he's rolled in a garbage can and was scooping stuff in there. He tries to get out. Super brazen. One of the business owners stops him,

Starting point is 00:47:11 they start wrestling. One of the other ones grabs what looks like a big long, I don't know if it's like a- This is a stick. It looks like a shovel handle or something big, thick stick, and just hit some and the guy hits the ground and then just starts beating the shadow on. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:23 Why is on the ground? And you know, I'm gonna save my opinions Hit some and I hit the ground and then just started beating the shadow. Yeah, why is on the ground and You know, I'm gonna save my opinions to whether or not that you know, he deserved it or not I think this you're gonna see more of this kind of shit when the laws are going the way they are in some of these cities where I Look San Francisco. I'm listen my brother lived there and he's literally told me he was in a CVS and My brother lived there and he literally told me he was in a CVS and people walked in with garbage bags, scooped a bunch of shit in there. Nobody could stop him. Why? Because if it's under a certain dollar amount, they just let him go. They walked around the corner, put it out on the street, and sold it to people. They just literally walked in, took it, nobody did anything. Everybody knows it's not right, but there's this weird idea that, oh, well, we don't want to,

Starting point is 00:48:05 you know, this is the only way that they can make money. There's always weird justifications. Don't you have insurance? Yeah, and they don't wanna be super hot. But the thing about these laws, it protects everybody. And the business owners have been getting the fucking shaft, since the very beginning of the pandemic and everything.

Starting point is 00:48:22 So it's like, inevitably inevitably if you allow these things to persist, it's in their own hands. And more like you said, more of this is going to happen. It's going to be ugly and unnecessary, especially immigrants. These people came these immigrants who come here and who they, it's hard. They didn't come here because, often times, because, you know, whatever. They came here because it was a better opportunity. They left their homeland, where they spoke the right language. They came here, they don't speak the language.

Starting point is 00:48:53 They build a business like a convenience store, which means they probably scraped a bunch of money together with their families, open it up, land of opportunity. Here we go. And then the laws don't even protect them, and people are stealing the shit. They're gonna fight you. Like, you're gonna get more shit like this

Starting point is 00:49:09 if you don't pass some laws that makes some sense. By the way, have you guys seen what some businesses are doing because of those laws? I don't remember what the amount was, but... Oh, yeah, I saw that where it's like... In San Francisco, it's like, if it's under $900 something dollars, then basically it's not a big deal. Like, they put it like the price went over,

Starting point is 00:49:24 but then when you come out, you get like a code or something like that. For everything in the store is a thousand dollars or more. This is like $900 off. But when you bring it up to the front, there's a coupon code that they use to discount. That way if you steal it, they could charge you with, you know, and I don't know if that works, but I think that's a smart approach. A brilliant way to handle it. No, but I feel, it makes me so angry.

Starting point is 00:49:44 It's like, just these brazen. This is, I'm assuming this is California. I don't know where it is. Oh, really? I don't know. It might be New York. I'm not sure. Yeah, there's like, some places in the Midwest you've seen, you know, and even Chicago's like really gone down a hill from when I've been there, you know, Minneapolis and so yeah, you've seen this like in other cities that have just decided that they're not gonna be quite as strict with their, you know, enforcement of these laws. It's just, it's backfire. No theft, property damage, and hurting people should be the top,

Starting point is 00:50:16 those should be the most punished crimes. Those should be the biggest, I mean, I've always thought it was crazy though. I don't know what the laws were, like somebody breaks into a house in California that like you could get in trouble for shooting them. Yeah, I know always thought it was crazy though. I don't know what the laws were. Like somebody breaks into a house in California that like you could get in trouble for shooting them. Yeah, I know. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:50:29 I know. It's so wild, Ty. It doesn't, I know. It doesn't make any sense. I know I had a friend. That has to be, to me, that has to be one of the most scary, threatening things that could ever happen. You see a random man in your house,

Starting point is 00:50:38 your kids are in bed, your wife's in bed. It's a threat to your life. Yeah, like, I don't care if he's caring or not caring. Like, you're in a way to caring like you You're gonna wait to see Yeah, I would never take that chance like people watch too many movies. Oh, you're gonna play you gun fast No, it's terrifying that would be to wake up. Yeah, and the night with some random dude. Yeah in your house armed or not armed Does not matter because you don't know? No, yeah, that's crazy to me I don't have the right at that point to like to protect my family family. Yeah, the law should be like this.

Starting point is 00:51:06 If you go inside someone's house and they feel threatened by you, it's on you. And if they defend themselves because they're scared, well, then that's, that's how it is. Yeah, so, it's a priority. Yeah, I know there's actually people who have sued homeowners because they broke into their house and would like, they like, cut themselves on it.

Starting point is 00:51:24 They're the themselves, yes. Have you heard of those cases? heard of those cases? I don't know if they won or not. It's California. It was stocked in. Oh my gosh. Is that where I was? Stocked in California? And like Gavin Newsom everybody, you'll make the world that way. I remember that way. Oh my gosh. Wow. That's so terrible. Anyway, I did a Viori test earlier this week. I want to tell you guys about. A Viori test? Yeah. What do wanna tell you guys about. A Viori test?

Starting point is 00:51:45 Yeah. So some people were messaging me and say, can I talk about, we always talk about their clothes, obviously we're working them for a while and with them. And I like to wear their slacks. These are like nice slacks.

Starting point is 00:51:55 Like you could wear these, you know, to work or to go out or whatever, but they're really stretchy. So I worked out them. And they're great workout pants too. They stretch in here and I can squat. I mean that's why deadlift, I drove the... People give me grief, I feel like I'm wearing the tan ones,

Starting point is 00:52:10 like I'm wearing khakis and they're like, you're squatting khakis? That's such a dad move. It's just comfortable. If Justin doesn't blow the back out, you know those things. Got some strength. They got some strength in your strength and those fibers. I mean, I wouldn't, it's so hard because they, they're technically ATHLEASURE wear, right?

Starting point is 00:52:25 That's the category that, by the, which didn't exist what 15 years ago or whatever. So they're this ATHLEASURE wear. So they are more, they're more athletic clothes than they would be considered dress clothes. They just happen to be done and made so nice that you could throw a polo shirt like you're doing right now.

Starting point is 00:52:41 And now, suddenly it looks like you're dressed up. That's what's kind of cool about it. It's like they're really athletic clothes first, and then because they look sharp enough, you could dress them up, you know? Dude, I gotta bring someone up real quick here. I don't know if we gave this guy a shout out, but we'll watch this video,

Starting point is 00:52:56 and then maybe Doug, you see if we didn't give him, and we'll make up. This will be a shout out and extra if that's the case. But I sent you the link in the text, in the group, Thread Doug. You showed us this guy before Justin. His name is, and I've seen him before, his name is Tom. I think have a land. Let me see. We showed this guy out. Did we shout him out? I shot this guy out.

Starting point is 00:53:20 This is a guy he never sees. He is so strong. Yeah, you never see his face. Oh, oh my God. He is This is a guy. Bro, he's so strong. Yeah, you never see. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. He's this. He is like a real world superhero. He is. He's bench pressing in this now. Now, remember, he deadlifts insane amounts of weight. Long arms tall guy. Okay. In this video, he's bench pressing with a pause, 617 pounds. No, there's no bench shirt. Bro, that he came home from work. Yeah. He did. He's the old room for Dude. No bench shirt. Bro, that he's- Looks like he came home from work. Yeah, he did. He's the old rose floor plates.

Starting point is 00:53:48 That's okay, so my favorite part- That's the ultimate gangster, my opinion. My favorite part about this guy is this, the mysterious, like you don't know who he is. You can fight. It's like Batman, dude. You can actually look at Muppets, and read about him.

Starting point is 00:54:00 I think he was a special forces, or something like that. Yeah. Oh, is that what he was? Yeah. Yeah. And he's just like ridiculously strong. Yeah. Oh, is that what he was? Yeah. Yeah. And he's just like ridiculously strong. Yeah, dude. This is the kind of human he imagined like breaking into his house.

Starting point is 00:54:13 No. Oh. Sixth time. Sixth time. Sixth time. 167 pound bench press. With a pause. And he's not like Collin too.

Starting point is 00:54:20 Collin. He's not like powerlifting like technique or it's like just a bench press. I'm just gonna lift heavy things. Dude. And then he does and it's a mind boggle. And he's not like a, doesn't that belt like, you know, the powerlifters a bench a lot, like real round with a short arm? No, no, he looks like a tall, he's like a tall dude and he just crushes.

Starting point is 00:54:39 That's a picture of him. Look how jacked. Oh, is that him? Yeah. Oh, so that's the first time I see him there. Bro, why does he look like, like, he's a real superhero? He looks like an action. He looks more like a war than what's his name does.

Starting point is 00:54:51 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's the first time I've actually seen his face. I see him, he's got the flag for gelhouse strong as he connected those guys. I don't know. Do you know if he, if they're affiliated or something? I have no idea. But I think he was a special forces,

Starting point is 00:55:03 maybe Doug can find out or when you guys can find out. He looks younger than what I thought he was. I thought he was older. I definitely like the mystery around it. You know, it's cool that he's like, he doesn't put anything out there. He's not hyping himself up. He's just like, look what I can do.

Starting point is 00:55:16 And you're just like, holy shit. He's like, I'm gonna go six eight. He's six eight. Dude, he's a giant. No way. He's even more impressive. Oh my God, hold on. He's six eight power lifter. Okay, so he was impressive. Oh my God, hold on. He's six, eight power lifters.

Starting point is 00:55:26 Okay, so he was a power lifter. I'm making up things. Yeah, sure. Oh, you know, he's never power lifters. He just lifts. You know, he punched a comment into the savior. This option starts. I know, you're all because he's like,

Starting point is 00:55:38 I heard you pull the next caliber out of the Stone. Bro, look, hey, you know what sucks? There's people in the world that are like that. Can you imagine if this was like 50,000 years ago and you're with your tribe and then he shows up and he's like, give me your food. And I'm gonna take your girls. Yeah, fuck.

Starting point is 00:55:56 Well, I guess it's, let me have a talk on my wife. What did I say, honey? Sorry. I think he changed his Instagram handle because I shouted him out a long while ago when I shouted him out Justin had already known uh... sorry i think he changed his uh... instagram handle because i wish i i shot him out uh... along while ago when i shot him out just in a dirty known who he was so's tom underscore but i think he's yeah i think he's changed his i think it was called something else before when he when he but yeah i

Starting point is 00:56:17 follow up with a strong as humans are saying do i know he was six eight two uh... now that's even crazier to that. That's a big boy. So we already shot that guy. I have a shout out that you guys will like. I sent it over, I think I sent it over the clips to you, but somebody made a painting of the girl, the viral girl on the plane, who says, he's not real. He's not real.

Starting point is 00:56:42 And it's great. It's a painting of her like pointing saying that. And then you look back at the plane and there's like a unicorn. Super good. Super good. I have a big foot. Yeah, good aliens.

Starting point is 00:56:54 So cool. So the guys name is Travis Chapman. And so his Instagram handle is Travis underscore Chapman underscore artist, I believe, right? Is that right, Doug? That's correct. Yeah, so I actually bought the painting. So I don't know where I'm gonna put it.

Starting point is 00:57:07 I don't know where I'm gonna put it yet. That's what you're going here. I feel like it should go in here. I feel like it too, but I feel like I don't know where it's gonna fit. But it would be just inside when you need more sense. No, no, I mean, you're the one. You're the one who's the spurs you're known as the conspiracy. True, I mean, I just, I just, I just, I thought it was super clever and, you know, I

Starting point is 00:57:27 would have loved to get my hands on the original, but I got like a, at least, a print of it. So I don't know who got, I forget who he said, I actually talked to the artist afterwards. He said somebody bought the original already, but super clever. It's Mark. Uh-huh. Hiya Health makes vitamins for children. They're not gummy candies. They're not full of sugar.

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Starting point is 00:58:01 Our first caller is Michelle from California. Hey, Michelle, how can we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my question. And of course, thank you for all the content you put out there. Yeah, I'm calling today because mainly my question is about strength. So I've been an athlete my whole life. I played about five sports in high school, I played college ball for a little bit for softball and I've shrink-changed for a very long time. But I find that I can't buy real spot, very heavy, like I'll see other girls at the gym who can put on a lot more weight. I did, used to compete, so I did bodybuilding in which we stopped squatting and conventional deadlifting

Starting point is 00:58:45 for fear of like building the black back, thickening the back, which is a common belief in the body building space. So I recently quit just earlier this year and so I really want to get into strength training, but I get really fresh here to especially with the spot that I don't feel like I can lift that much. But the interesting thing is I can lunge with a barbell, my body weight without really any problems. But when I put the barbell with my body weight for a squat, I have more trouble. Do you think that, like, how, if you were to say, like, consistently, how long have you been squatting for?

Starting point is 00:59:22 And the reason why I'm asking this is is and you've probably heard us talk about How much squatting is a skill right so like I I Squatted for I don't know 10 15 years of my life the first five to eight of it really inconsistently It was always really bad at it I don't think I really started to get good at squatting until like let's say the last six or seven years I really started to get good at squatting until, like, let's say, the last six or seven years. And a lot of that is just my mobility, so I didn't have a really good range of motion. I didn't have good, like, squat mechanics.

Starting point is 00:59:54 And it is a skill. And so if it's something that you haven't practiced consistently for an extent of it, you'd be surprised how many people struggle with getting really strong. And it's just because it's an unfamiliar movement compared to other things like let's say, lunging, like maybe you've been doing your whole life and very comfortable, very confident in. And so would you say you squat as much as you've lunged

Starting point is 01:00:18 your entire lifting career? Probably not, because I competed for three years and didn't squat. I mean, I did like, hack squats and like, presses, but I didn't do like, barbell squats, but I still did reverse lenders. I still did Bulgarian splits. So that makes, that makes sense. Plus, I feel like my early career, like, when I was in like high school and college

Starting point is 01:00:41 ball, when I did squat, I was squatting like, I've looked back at videos and I was barely reaching like 90 degrees, so I wasn't really going probably in that full range of motion till I started listening to you guys. Oh, you're speaking very similar to what was going on with me. That was me. I didn't squat that often, even when I did. I didn't have really great range of motion.

Starting point is 01:01:03 And I'm actually looking at your barbell squat. You said you can do 125 for three and 135 pounds, at least for one, that's not bad. That's not bad at all. Yeah, you said you could, you could lunge your body. How much do you weigh? I weigh about 135. So you can lunge with 135?

Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah, that's really good. What's the problem? Like what's the issue? Why are you concerned with this particular number so much? First off, we know you. I've met you before. I think you're a coach, right? Okay, so you're very fit. Obviously, you know what you're doing with exercise. You've got great lifts across the board. So my question is, why is this an issue for you? You mentioned comparing yourself to other people?

Starting point is 01:01:46 Like what's going on? I think just, I'm facing the challenges that come post-competition. I was competing for three years. My goal was always to be an IPPRO, but that took a big hit to my physical and mental health, which is why I took a step off. And so I think I always had that to grind and chase. And so now that I'm not competing, I need something to strive for.

Starting point is 01:02:15 And I feel like the big lifts trying to strive for, what those numbers I can't think about, tell my head. But is it one and a half for spot or one and a quarter? drive for, you know, what those numbers I can't think about on my head, but it's like one, is it one and a half for spot or one and a quarter? Like I want to try to reach that. I want to reach one and a half for dead lifts and then stress I want to try to get close to my bodyweight, but that's a challenge. Yeah, you're, so two things. One, I see what the challenge is, training specifically for strength for those things is different than bodybuilding training. This would be more like a powerlifting type routine. So I would say if that's what you want to do because you're kind of interested in getting

Starting point is 01:02:55 stronger on those lifts, train like a powerlifter and you will get stronger at those lifts. But the other thing I want to say is you're doing amazing. I mean, in your question, when you wrote to us, it says, I look strong, but I feel weak AF, weak as fuck. So when I hear something like that, I know that there's a bit of a challenge with the connection to your performance. Sometimes it has to do with connection to how you look. And you might be trading one challenge for another

Starting point is 01:03:26 in the sense that competing on stage, it's about body image. So you're like, okay, now I'm not doing that. Let me take this and move it in another. Maybe not so great direction, maybe a little better. But I mean, look, the answer for the specific questions actually easy, which is train like a power lifter. Stop train like a body builder. And and you practice the squat more, right?

Starting point is 01:03:47 Yeah, you will get more frequency over everything else. Do you have mass power lift? I do not. Oh, dude, follow that. You're going to get your, those numbers are going to go up through the roof. Yeah, and I don't think this is a bad shift. You just have to recognize how big of a shift that is. And I think people don't realize how different, you know, those types of workouts are in your pursuits of shaping and sculpting and

Starting point is 01:04:12 molding your body versus now just focusing on strength and overall performance of that strength. And so this just, it's a totally different shift of mindset. It's a different way that you're going to go into each lift and approach it. So to be able to really get into the nuance of all of the technique, especially with these big lifts, the squat in itself, there's gonna present itself like certain challenges, whether it's like ankle mobility or whether it's hips or just being able to brace even more effectively

Starting point is 01:04:46 or getting that good position. So work your way through all of that and then power lift will help you kind of highlight how to really like pragmatically go through and add all that frequency and practice that you're going to need. Yeah, there's no problem with the strength that you have when I look at you listed your numbers. Yeah. And they're really good, Michelle, like they're really, really good, you're strong, you're fit.

Starting point is 01:05:10 But if you're like, hey, I just wanna pursue this goal, I think it's gonna be kind of fun. Just train like a power lifter. It's a very different mentality. So you're not getting a pump, you're not getting a burn. It's not about the muscles that you're working, it's more about the movement and the technique and the leverage.

Starting point is 01:05:28 It's a very, very big shift in mentality. But once you get there, it gets real fun. It gets really, really fun because it's different and it's different from what you've been doing. So I think it would be great for you to follow a powerlifting routine. And don't be surprised if your squat goes from 125 to like 185 or 195. I mean, you're going to see some big gains in some of those lifts if you train specifically

Starting point is 01:05:56 to lift more weight and not to like get a pump and burn and all that other stuff. Yeah, I think that's the thing too, as I've trained. So much of my life in that eight to 12-grap range, and even higher in that range of bodybuilding, close to competition. So I haven't really spent that much time in that low-grap range. I'm doing maps performance phase one right now, and I like that it has the mobility,

Starting point is 01:06:23 because I think that is important for being able to get that full range of motion. For how a lift doesn't have a mobility component, or would I pair that weight prime or prime pro? It does have some primers in there. But I would take what you're liking from, this is what we always, and you know this, you've been listening to us for a long time, is I would take what you're finding in performance,

Starting point is 01:06:45 the mobility sessions that you're getting a lot of benefit from, and I would put that in power lift, specifically to you. I would check. Make that just like, if there's a couple moves that you're doing, you're like, oh wow, every time I do that, I feel I'm getting better range in my squad, I just feel better the way I'm moving.

Starting point is 01:07:00 Like, I mean, don't ever stop that. That's the idea is that we take people through that program and they make that connection of, oh wow, when I make time for this mobility work, it makes a big difference on my lips, keep that in there. Here's the other side too. If you're maintaining too lean of a body fat percentage

Starting point is 01:07:19 or you're not eating in a surplus, it's gonna be really hard to get strong. Coming from your background, I'm gonna assume that that's probably a challenge for you, that you probably have a challenge allowing your body fat to creep up a little bit, or eat in a surplus, but that's gonna be key to this as well. I mean, you'll get stronger by training like a power lifter, just because your technique and skill will get better at the lifts, but you're not gonna see big numbers unless you increase the calories and go into surplus. So you got to do that as well. Yeah, it's

Starting point is 01:07:49 intense. Yeah. Well, cool. This is this is be easy. Michelle, I promise you follow Maths Power Lift, Eatin' a Surplus. After Maths Power Lift, let us know where you're at. I think you'll be your rising in benefit. Surprise. Yeah, how strong you are. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'll update you guys on the form. Awesome. Thank you so much for calling in. Thank you. Thank you. It's just a different mentality.

Starting point is 01:08:12 When you train, when you're used to the pump and the burn, going in and doing a set of two or three, resting for three to four minutes, it almost feels like you're not working out. I've heard people say that. It almost like you get insecure, because it's so different. You know, they're like, am I doing this wrong?

Starting point is 01:08:27 Yeah. And I just feel like there's a little bit of that and like your numbers aren't bad, but it's just like one of those things where if that stands out to you, you just hyper focus on they can't have it, you know? Yeah, I mean, this whole question was mental, right? I mean, her thinking that she's weak as fuck

Starting point is 01:08:42 is off, first of all. I mean, when I looked at her numbers, I didn't look at her numbers till we were talking from it, that I see Doug scroll down and I'm like, oh shit, like, she's not weak. She's far from weak, and she's already admitted, she took more than three years off of squatting completely during competing world before.

Starting point is 01:09:00 Have you guys ever taken like, good two years or so off like one of those major lifts? Yeah, I did with Bench and it was drastic how, how, you know, much I had to work to get it back. Yes, it's cool, especially squatting. I mean squatting is a major, major skill. I mean, I, and she's been with us for a long time. I didn't, I didn't, I can make the connection

Starting point is 01:09:17 until you said something. So I remember meeting her at one of the first live events like the Viori event. She's been to a couple of them. Yeah, so she was, she's been around for a long time. And I posted a clip or picture, I don't remember of my squat at the beginning of like bodybuilding time.

Starting point is 01:09:33 And it was like, you remember that? Like a big old wide stance, I can't break 90 degrees, I couldn't load the bar more than like 225, 275 on there like huge difference. Yeah. And I just didn't squat frequently and I didn didn't have the mobility, and the focus on the mobility and the increase in frequency on practicing that movement, you know, it took some time, man.

Starting point is 01:09:52 It took some time before. I really saw those numbers jump up, but someone coming from her back, one of the things that she's going to love is if you've never really got good at it. I mean, the things that I love from it now, the leg include development with, a very little leg training I have to do today to have better developed legs than when I did as a body builder, you know, leg pressing and hack squat and then leg extensions all day long.

Starting point is 01:10:16 Like so, once you get good at this movement, the benefits from it are incredible. Yeah, I would expect, I wouldn't be surprised if she got 30 to 50 pounds on her squat. Especially if she takes the nutrition advice that you said. Yep. Sure. Our next caller is Darren from Toronto. Darren, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hi guys, how are you today? It's a pleasure talking to you guys. It's

Starting point is 01:10:36 cool wide-bought watching your podcast for a good, well-known and actually really excited to be on here. So thank you very much. Thank you. Awesome, man. So my question for you guys is, for me, is like working out, becoming up session for me. So usually I work out four to five days a week, but prior to that to give you guys a little background story, I kind of use like workout as more like a therapy for me. So in the past, you know, as a young, very young teenager, I was molested by a family friend. And from there, I've had as well cancer running with my family, with my mom, with my grandfather, with my dad,

Starting point is 01:11:27 who I recently just passed. And going from that, I've always used workout as, or working out as my way of therapy. In that time of when I work out, I've had a steel plate put in my ankle, I've had my knee fix with a torn meniscus, as well I had a hernia fix because I think I take working out a little bit way too much and it becomes like I said, like a therapy for me. So I just wanted to know if in your opinion,

Starting point is 01:12:00 do you think I'm doing too much using that as a therapy to deal with everything and can working out, can I slow it down on my part? Let's first celebrate the decision that you made first. I think that somebody who's been through what you've been through and continue to go through a lot of shit and you chose to exercise and improve yourself as your outlet instead of abusing yourself or drugs or hurting somebody else. I think that's a huge fucking win.

Starting point is 01:12:33 So first, that's first and foremost. So I think having some empathy for yourself, even if you have used exercises and outlet like that, and I think you're already in moving in the right direction because you have this self-awareness that you're kind of using it that way. So I think that that's important to recognize that because you tell somebody like you like, oh yeah, you're definitely abusing exercise.

Starting point is 01:12:57 And you're like, fuck, well then what do I do? You know what I'm saying? Because I still see all these things that you just mentioned before you said that. These are areas in your life that you're probably going to be working on for quite some time. I mean, I can completely, I can't relate to everything that you said, but I can relate to some of the stuff that you said. This will be something that you'll continually have to work on. And I think that exercise can be a vehicle to help that. It also can be something that you abuse. And I guess the thing that I would say to start with is when you find yourself in these moments

Starting point is 01:13:29 when you're running away from those things, like because you don't want to feel it or you don't want to think about it and you're going into the gym, is to maybe that's the time that you reach out either to somebody who you trust that you can talk to or you maybe invest in a therapy where you can talk about what you're going through while you're using this exercise. And that will start to help. I don't think this is going to be an overnight thing that you just switch off. Exercise and fitness are extremely powerful tools. It's a double-edged sword.

Starting point is 01:14:03 It can be massively beneficial as a therapeutic tool. It can also be abused like any drug. Okay, so you have to ask yourself, which one are you, or how are you using it? Do you find the therapeutic effect when you go to the gym and beat the crap out of yourself, where you can barely move and you survive the workout, you're crawling out, you go home, you gotta lay down on the couch. If that's where you're getting the therapeutic benefit, then you may just be enjoying the self-punishment aspect of the workout. So not unlike other ways people hurt themselves, where maybe they do things to themselves because they need to feel, let's say they're numb. So they do things to themselves, they

Starting point is 01:14:50 can feel something. So like, you know, you'll see kids will cut themselves as an example of that. Or it could be self punishment because I deserve to be in pain and hurt myself. It could be a distraction. When I'm working out so hard that I can't breathe and I can't think about all that scary stuff, then it gives me a break. I feel good because I can't think of all that negative shift. Those are all unhealthy relationships of exercise and the result of which is injury, overtraining.

Starting point is 01:15:22 And then what'll happen, Darren, if you do that, is you'll lose exercise as a tool, because at some point you won't be able to anymore. So now let's talk about exercises of therapy. Exercise is a therapy. It doesn't distract. It brings things to the surface. It doesn't punish.

Starting point is 01:15:42 It cares for. It doesn't hurt you so that you feel it improves your ability to feel everything else. That's the therapeutic effects of exercise if used properly. You know, in your question, you asked if you could work out every day, you can. You just have to modify the intensity and approach the exercise session as a way to take care of yourself. That's it. How can to take care of yourself. That's it. How can I take care of myself? Sometimes you have to separate yourself from the situation.

Starting point is 01:16:11 Darren, who in your life do you care the most about? Do you have children? Do you have a wife or a family member or a friend? I have my fiance, which I really do care a lot about. Recently, it was my father. So my father was the one that introduced me into weightlifting. He pretty much didn't know anything about it, but during this time when I was as a young kid

Starting point is 01:16:37 and trying to figure out like after everything that happened with me, he's the one that introduced me. You know, let's just try going to a gym. So he brought, he came to me with a gym. He had no training experience whatsoever, but he brought me there and he was making me lift ways. He was doing things with me that I was like, I'm asking, do you even know what you're trying to do? And, and you know, it started from there. That was the first step and he encouraged me to keep going with that. And even when he was sick, he was always asking me, like, make sure you still have those big arms.

Starting point is 01:17:10 Make sure you have that big chest. Just make sure you keep continuing strong. So he was that one person that I, like that role model that I really cared for. And he pushed me, like he was like that, making it that my rocky. So that's awesome. It was, yeah, it's, it would have been him,

Starting point is 01:17:30 if, yes, if he was still around, but as of right now, it would put, like the people I care for, that, I know that pushed me in that direction, my mom, my brothers, and of course, my fiancee that have that support, and, you know, it's, when I, when I work out, and work out, and when I do push myself, it's more to the point where after I'm done,

Starting point is 01:17:52 I feel like I am lifted. I feel like I am more powerful than I was before. I started the workout. I have a lot of ideas that go through my mind during those workouts that are more positive. But it's one of those things where I don't want it where if I keep doing stuff, even though I know you just said how you do your workouts where you don't have to go with the full intensity, but just doing something is more than nothing.

Starting point is 01:18:19 And I think that's where I was getting more confused as if I keep doing something even if it's a little or not does that become too much. No, I mean, if you monitor the intensity, you can exercise every single day. The intensity is appropriate. You know, the reason why I ask you that question is, sometimes when you go to the gym, say, okay, how would I train my fiance

Starting point is 01:18:40 if she were me right now? And then you might make better decisions because it's easier for us to care for other people than it is to care for ourselves. That's why I asked you that. So, but yeah, you can work out every day if you monitor the intensity appropriate. You know, you mentioned feeling powerful. You also want to be careful with that in the sense that if you, if your fear is feeling weak, then you're eventually going to go down a dark path with exercise because at some point you get older or you get injured or you get sick and then you lose your identity. Who am I? You know, I'm not as

Starting point is 01:19:19 strong as I was before. You know, what does this mean for me? So the feeling powerful, maybe make that less about how strong you are, and more about the fact that you show up and that you're resilient. That's real power, the empowerment aspect of it. So it's like, oh, I got this injury, and I can't lift like I used to, but I'm doing something that's empowering, that's powerful, versus I can't lift like I used to, but I'm doing something that's empowering,

Starting point is 01:19:46 that's powerful versus I can't bench as much as I did before. And then you start to kind of push it too hard or freak out because what does that mean? Now you're young and you might not encounter this yet, but at some point you will and that'll be, you know, a bit of a challenge. But like I said, you can do this every single day. You just have to modify the intensity of the workouts,

Starting point is 01:20:06 in which case, every day is perfectly fine. Darren, do you have a maps performance? I do not. I've been looking at different programs and always kind of conflicted on which one to get, which would help me. But no maps performance, I do not have. I want, I want to dig this in you,

Starting point is 01:20:26 mass performance. And the reason why that you seem like somebody who probably straight trains and you like to lift heavy and do so with that, it's a, it's a different type of training. You're, you're more focused on the movements. It has mobility days that are in there. And so what I'm hoping that you get from mass performance is the mobility routines, the, the unconventional lifts that

Starting point is 01:20:45 are in there, and that when you're in these days where you know your body's kind of beat up a little bit and you're asking yourself the question that South said, how would I train my fiance right now and you go, oh, today's probably a day I wouldn't ham or squats and deadlifts. Today's probably a day I should do that mobility routine. You'll pull from this program. And so that's an example of like how I, because I loved it, especially during competing days, I trained pull from this program. And so that's that's an example of like how I because I loved it. I especially during when competing days, I trained seven days a week. I was in the gym because I loved the

Starting point is 01:21:10 routine. I loved the consistency of I at that time in my life, I was able to do this from between noon and two noon and two. I'm in the gym. You could guarantee I was in the gym at noon. Now what I was doing completely dependent on my rest, my recovery, my diet, what was going on, how I felt, my sleep. And so you just gotta learn to do that and be honest with yourself, when you're having those days, when you're a little beat up or you've been pushing a little hard, hey, you know what?

Starting point is 01:21:34 I'm gonna do some mobility work today or I'm gonna get on the treadmill and walk for an hour. Like those, that's still, you're still training, bro. You're still moving the needle in the right direction. In fact, you're moving it better than you would be if you were to go hammer yourself. Just learning how to train differently when you know your body's talking to you. I especially like that advice because I know the propensity is you're familiar with some of these bigger lifts and you're able to really load these lifts.

Starting point is 01:22:02 It's a really hard thing to just tell you, hey, taper off the intensity a bit, especially if you're having thoughts and you're having sort of momentum in that direction of, you know, like I'm just gonna, you know, get after it because you're feeling things. To be able to shift that over into something that's a little more technical, you know,

Starting point is 01:22:22 something that you're not really able to load a lot of weight, but it's very difficult. Benefits your body a lot, you're sort of like filling needs that your body has in terms of moving in other directions and strengthening other parts of your body. I think it's a good way to refocus that, so the intensity can kind of manage and mitigate a little bit more. Okay, perfect. No, I truly appreciate that. Thank you very much. You got it, man.

Starting point is 01:22:50 Yeah, you did appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. And one last thing I do want to say, I don't know if it's set a lot to you guys, but me knowing that, like I watch you guys podcast all the time, and I know all three of you are fathers and the stories that you guys share about your kids and everything. With having my father reminds me a lot of the U3, like the stories that you guys share and everything. So as a son, I just hope like when your children grow up, they truly appreciate and love the support that you've given them because you guys are fantastic and I'm sure that they will. But just please given them because you guys are fantastic. And I'm sure that they will.

Starting point is 01:23:25 But just please keep being who you guys are because it's actually really inspiring. And I really, really love listening to you guys talk every day on different stories topics because it's a good reminder of how there are a lot of good people out there. And you guys show that every single day. So thank you very much.

Starting point is 01:23:41 Wow, thank you, thank you, Darren. I'm pretty sure. Hope you guys have a good day. You, thank you, thank you, Darren. I appreciate that. Hope you guys have a good day. You too, man. Appreciate that, brother. I need to hear that today. Really? Yeah, I just feel like, you know, sometimes when we do stuff,

Starting point is 01:23:53 we did that, that fucking post the other day with the video games thing and just so many people get triggered and then also, you go, man, do everybody who listens to us like, hate us? It's so easy to get shifted in that mindset when you get that and you forget, like there's a lot of people that, I think understand the position or the message

Starting point is 01:24:12 that we give or where we're trying to come from, it's really easy to get caught up in all the negative stuff that gets said sometimes. Like man, I really hope that people don't take that message that way. Well, what highlights to me is that there's not a lot of dads talking about being dads. You know, all of a sudden we're like, you guys are great examples. It's like we just talk about regular stuff working through it, you know.

Starting point is 01:24:35 It's crazy. Yeah. But yeah, this double-edged sword thing with exercise is interesting. It could feel therapeutic to abuse yourself for a while. I mean, this is how people use alcohol and drugs. It's really no different. So, it's a challenge for some people to figure that out. It's really hard when it gets something that's good for you.

Starting point is 01:24:53 That's why this is such a challenge. Yeah, that's why this is such a challenge. You know, and for the audience that's listening that, you know, he's probably heard us talk about this before. I'm glad we get a caller like this to talk about this, is because believe it or not, he's more common than you would think. Now, maybe his story is more extreme

Starting point is 01:25:12 than what a lot of people have gone through, but a lot of people do that. They move into exercise because of an insecurity, because they don't wanna think about something else, and they start to, and because it shows these positive benefits, right, they get stronger, or they look better, people start complimenting them, and so then they start to begin to go, oh, this is... This can't go wrong. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:37 There's no way I can do this. Yeah, more is always better. Right, and so, and believe it or not, there's a lot of people in our space that we prop up as great people to aspire to be like and a lot of people have no idea that a lot of those people are struggling with this type of stuff. They've pushed it so far that they've now have this physique that looks so amazing that they get admired for on social media. And so when you hear us talk about intensity

Starting point is 01:26:09 and you hear us talk about balance and there's probably young guys that probably scoff at the stuff that we talk about, but we're coming from a place of, of train hundreds of people like this. I've trained a lot of people that are later in their life that are still battling these things that an exercise can be an Incredible tool, but like any tool it could also hurt you our next color is Tracy from California. Hi Tracy. How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:26:33 Good. Good morning. I'm so excited to talk to the three of you. I I don't know if you guys saw my Precinct that I fell two years ago and I annihilated my ankles and broke my leg and so I Had four plates and like dozens of screws put into my ankle and my leg and I had that removed last year So for two years I've had you know lack of mobility and lost a lot of muscle on the left hand side of my body mainly my leg and I have a goal to get back into backpacking

Starting point is 01:27:06 and hiking. So I need to carry 30 to 40 pounds and hike 7 to 10 miles. But I have a lot of imbalance. And so I'm curious, how do I build that left leg up without neglecting the right leg who is super strong and doing all the work? And how often do I, you know, you do the left leg. Do I go every day? Every other, like I don't, I'm lost at what's to do at this point. We got the perfect program. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:32 Yeah. Yeah. Map symmetry figured that out. Yeah. Map symmetry is perfect for you. It's a mostly unilateral, unilateral meaning one arm, one leg at a time workout program. I want you to start with the leg that was previously injured, meaning when

Starting point is 01:27:46 you start the workout or the exercise, do the injured leg or the previously injured leg first and use that leg to dictate what to do with the right leg. So if you could only do five reps, only do five reps with the right leg even if you feel like you could do more and you'll start to get them to catch up. Lots of unilateral trainings in a slush. How strong is it right now? Are you pretty much fully recovered? You just need to bring more focus there into the leg

Starting point is 01:28:10 to kind of strengthen it up? Yes, I'm fully recovered. I have a hard time standing on the left leg by itself. I don't have a lot of range of motion going down, up this good, but down in my ankle. I can't do very well. If I do like, because the leg press, the leg press machine, I got by the left leg by itself, I can do maybe 15 to 20 pounds pushing by itself. Where if my right

Starting point is 01:28:36 leg can do like 60 to 80 pounds by itself. I'm just going to articulate your ankle pretty well now in terms of all ranges of motion. No, no, I may not get that back. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to, so here's two things. We're, I'm going to send you Maps Prime Pro also. So there's, there's, so in Maps Prime Pro, we have some stuff for the ankle and foot. So I want you to take that out of there and it become like a daily routine for you.

Starting point is 01:29:01 So, and what's great about Maps Prime Pro, this is more for corrective work for somebody who's had an injury or has chronic pain. So this is not something that is like programmed, like our other programs where it's like, oh, only do it this much. It's like, do it as much as you can. So the exercises that are in there for your foot and ankle, I want you to practice those and do those anytime you're

Starting point is 01:29:20 in your house, living room floor, and your bedroom, do it before you go to your workout, just try and incorporate into your life as much as possible. Sal's point that he's talking about is symmetry. So when, and we, by the way, we wrote this program thinking of a client like you because, believe it or not, even though maybe your injury is uncommon,

Starting point is 01:29:38 people being in balance like this because of an injury is very common and we would get this all the time. The hardest part is the mental part is that you're gonna do these exercises where you start on the weaker side and like you said about the leg press, you'll be dramatically different and you're gonna feel like you're almost doing nothing

Starting point is 01:29:55 on the strong side, but you are. You're still moving that leg through range of motion, it's still being stimulated, so it's not gonna lose any muscle, it's gonna maintain what's at and we're gonna allow the other one to catch up. So don't get in your head where you're like, oh my God, I can do so much. This is so life for that. That's right.

Starting point is 01:30:12 Do the work, mere the side, that is weaker, and it'll come up. It'll bring up, it'll come up between that and doing the ankle stuff that Justin was working towards, or looting until I cut him off. That is where you want to put most of your energy and focus. Yeah, and really to be simple, like once we figure that out in terms of like some of those mobility moves for your ankle and for your feet and really kind of focusing,

Starting point is 01:30:36 hyper focusing on strengthening and regaining back some of that dexterity, that's something you're gonna repeat every single day. So this is something that it's not, you can't overdo it in terms of like repatting and being able to regain function and strength. That's what's gonna do, move the needle the most in terms of when you feel like your body is strong

Starting point is 01:30:58 and able again. So it's really gonna root down to that, how far we can get with that in terms of your stability there around your ankle and supporting it in order to then go into our unilateral training. Doing the unilateral training, you can do in conjunction, but again, really hyper focus on building that ritual of one to two times a day of like five, ten minutes of work on your feet, your ankle, and all these

Starting point is 01:31:25 mobility movements. How often are you hiking now? Are you at all? Just on the weekends, if I can get into it, luckily for me, the gym is a 10 minute walk. So I can just walk down to the gym and do all that exercising and there's tons of hiking around here. I have not backpacks yet. I can hike seven miles, you know, wearing a day pack and my ankle,

Starting point is 01:31:46 I stop halfway, take off my shoes, roll my, you know, calf, a lot of long massage, and I can do seven to ten, maybe, tops, but I'm, I'm limping at the end. Okay, let's talk about that first, okay? So the reason why that calf seizes up like that is back to the point that Justin's making. So because you have limited range of motion in the ankle and your feet are weak, the calf ends up taking over the work. So as you're walking, what's happening subconsciously is that calf is just having to work so much that it starts to nod up and lock up

Starting point is 01:32:17 and then you feel they get through all of that. So this is why strengthening the ankle and the foot becomes a huge priority for us. I'm gonna do one more, I know I'm giving you all this free stuff, but I want to address this and how we would really take care of you as a client if you were with us. I want to put you in the forum also, our private forum, where we can check up on your progress because here's how I would even customize our programming. Anytime I did an exercise, like a lunge with you,

Starting point is 01:32:45 I would make you balance on that week ankle. So envision yourself doing like a standard lunge, but then I'd make you bring the other leg up and I would make you stabilize for like five seconds before we did the next rep, and then you would lunge back up, and then balance and stabilize, all really trying to strengthen that ankle and that foot.

Starting point is 01:33:06 I'd also encourage you to walk around your house barefoot and try. I do that now. Okay, good, good. To be doing a lot of barefoot type of movements and anytime you can get a barefoot exercise in at home or do that stuff. So we wanna get that foot, the weak side where the injury was.

Starting point is 01:33:23 We wanna get that foot strong. We wanna get that range of motion in the ankle. So even things that sound stupid, like sitting at home, you know, and just moving, moving your ankle. Yeah, and challenging that. Particularly each toe, usually. Like that's our goal. Our goal is to get to a place where it's going to be difficult

Starting point is 01:33:40 to see the discrepancy between left and right with your ankle mobility. And that is what's really gonna help. And that's the reason why when you do these long walks or long things like you feel it on the calf, it's cause the ankle and foot, just they're not strong enough yet. I want you to just follow map symmetry, skip the last phase.

Starting point is 01:33:58 So don't do the last phase, go through it twice before going through it a third time, and then you can add the last phase. So two times through, just the first then you can add the last phase so two times through Just the first few phases skip the last phase One time two times and then the third time you can add the last phase Do the prime pro ankle and foot mobility movements pick a couple of them that you do throughout the day And you'll be totally set and as far as hiking is concerned Tracy don't hike until you limp

Starting point is 01:34:23 Okay, here's why if you hike until you limp. Okay, here's why. If you hike until you limp, you're gonna continue to strengthen the imbalance. We're gonna continue to encourage the imbalance between the two sides. Because by the time you're limping, your other leg has already been doing a lot of work. Yeah, you're overcompensating this.

Starting point is 01:34:40 So rather than seven miles of hiking. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Do not go well within your limits because once you go beyond that, then the compensation happens and then you're gonna continue to maintain that imbalance.

Starting point is 01:34:53 There's stuff in Prime Pro and what you're gonna see, it's very important, the hardest thing to teach somebody who's got an issue like you is, you're gonna go to a stretch or an exercise you're going to see in there and you're going to notice that your ankle can only go so far and then but this is not like a relaxing it should be kind of intense so you're going to take it to its in range of motion and then

Starting point is 01:35:17 mentally you're trying to you're you're straining to move it further and what we're doing there is we're forcing the brain to fire more neurons in that area to get you to gain More access to more range of motion if you just take it to where it's like Oh, that's as far as I can go and you're like relaxed and comfortable and you come out We're not forcing the body to try and gain more so it should feel kind of intense And I think we did a good job of having Dr. Brink take us through the movements and you can hear us kind of straining through the exercises. You're searching for that. I want you to challenge yourself and each time you're trying to challenge a little bit more range of motion. And it's very incremental. It takes a lot of practice and a lot of time before you start to see a difference, but it

Starting point is 01:36:03 will happen. Excellent, because what happens now is I will do exercises at the gym, I started doing dumbbell squats, et cetera, and I am not super sore the next day or at the end of the day. And I don't know if it's, the way it's heavy, for me it's heavy, but I think my ankle gives out more than anything else and my body can't push it farther. Tracey, soreness is a terrible indicator of workout effectiveness. So not getting sores

Starting point is 01:36:32 better than getting really sore. Yeah. Okay, and if you're lifting weights consistently, you're doing all this work. We're talking about you're keeping your nutrition in check. You will see a body composition change. You'll be happy with your results, but my focus with you is the foot and ankle, we gotta get that. So everything else will follow after that. If I'm not y'all off, yeah. We're gonna put you in the form too, Tracy. So keep us up to date.

Starting point is 01:36:56 I'd love to see how your progress is over the next 30, 60 days. And by the way, we have people, we have people like Dr. Brink inside that form who helped us write Maps Prime Pro. So we've got movement specialists in there in addition to our knowledge to help support you. No, this is super exciting. I don't want to be a limp-y old lady, right?

Starting point is 01:37:15 I don't want to. We don't want you to be there. So we got you. Well, thank you so so much. All right, check it out. Thank you. Okay, bye. I've worked with that.

Starting point is 01:37:26 I had a client like that who had a shattered during coal. And when they reconstructed it, they did have limited mobility. So we couldn't really do bilateral squats or at least not to a normal depth. We just couldn't because the ankle was limited by the actual hardware. Sure. They put in there. So it was all, you know, lateral stuff. It was all, and you know what, by the end of the, I mean, I had trained this person for a couple of years, they made such significant progress.

Starting point is 01:37:52 You can almost not tell that there was a, that there was a, that there was a, you bring up a good point, Sal, that, you know, it's okay if you never buy lateral squat. I mean, to shit, there's people that, this is a real reason why you could, like Mike Boyles and people like that advocate for all unilateral work. So you can build an incredible physique, very strong by training unilateral forever for that reason. But I definitely think you want to work towards trying to get to that place, but it's okay if you don't. If you do bulk area and split squats for the rest of your life instead.

Starting point is 01:38:22 You're going to work with your body, your limitations on that. That's right. I try to improve. So, yeah, if she just keeps on that path, she's going to be just fine. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at Mind Pump Media dot com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballad,

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