Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2143: How to Get More Vascular, the Best Way to Stop Overtraining, How to Safely Push Yourself Without a Gym Partner & More

Episode Date: August 18, 2023

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All right, here comes the show. Over the last 100 years, we've forgot a lot about what builds our bodies. Here's a big one. Exercises are skills, treat them as such. What does that mean? The better you can perform an exercise, the more you'll get out of it.

It's not just about working out your back, making your legs sore, getting a pump in your shoulders. It's about perfecting the skill of the exercise. Practice them as such. You'll get better results, less injuries, build more muscle and more body fat with this attitude. By the way, the bronze airlifters understood this. That's why they were able to lift tremendous weights

at low body weights. And of course, this was all before steroids or even supplements. So learn from the wisdom of the past, treat exercises like skills. Well, speaking of bronze, I imagine that a lot of those lifts that are quote, unquote, unconventional now, were just sort of abandoned because the skill part of it was a little bit higher, let's say, than just some of our conventional compound lists, even now we're more prone to doing machines and things that are a bit more easily accessible. 100%.

So here's what's interesting about what you just said. If you pick two exercises, and let's say one exercise has a value of 10 in terms of its ability to build muscle and strength and bolster the body and let's say the other exercise is a five, okay, in that same regard. However, the 10 exercise it's gonna take you some time to learn. It's gonna take you some time to perfect. Initially, you're gonna get better results off the five because there's a very short learning period. So a good example would be like a leg press versus a barbell squat.

If I took two groups of beginners and I only ran a test for, let's say, four weeks or eight weeks, maybe even 12 weeks, and I compared the results of a leg press with squat. In fact, in the beginning, the leg press might actually outperform it, and, or at the very least, it'll probably be equal. But what we don't see is, as the person, as the group continues to perfect the skill of the squat, the value of the squat continues to grow, and they get better results over time, continuously,

over time. So that's 100%. Why is that not factored in when fitness professionals discuss exercise selection? Why is skill acquisition not factored into that conversation? We always, we, we tout these studies that are six to 12 weeks long. Oh, this one, more muscle activation, this one and this short period of time but nobody talks about the the benefits of something that is difficult to learn how to do as far as the adaptation process and the total amount of muscle and strength that you'll build over time. Why is that not factored in? I think it's all forgotten wisdom is my opinion. I think we have, and I think the market, I don't think it's, I think the measure, the consumers have been, I think that we've catered

too much of our workouts in the way that we conduct training too much to, to what the expectations are to the actual consumer coming in. And they're desire to change their body's composition. And to also alleviate some of the barriers in terms of them actually stepping foot in the gym and getting them consistent. And so we've sort of weighed that way heavier, which I understand because that's a monstrous task to get somebody to even want to keep doing this,

is like a part of a practice that they're going to do for their health. But yeah, I think it's one of those things. Like, we need to revisit that because it's such a different mentality and it's something that, like, if you can establish a higher skill level and understanding of these types of exercises, what that's going to do for you, long term, greater so that any of these other exercises that we've been using. Yeah, well, let's break it down for a second.

Learning a skill of a lift, let's say you do a one arm bent press, there's an old school exercise, nobody does anymore. You go to try to do it, those of you that are watching who are experienced have probably never done one. So you're gonna go to try and do it. It's gonna be really hard, you're not gonna be able to lift much weight, so you have to kind of learn the skill of the exercise. Now what's happening in that process?

Your central nervous system is adapting. Your muscles are adapting to this new movement. And they're adapting a ways that they're not used to. It's very novel. So you start to get tremendous benefit through the acquisition of the skill itself. Then when you started to master the skill, now you move to the next phase,

which is now I could push the resistance. I can add weight to the bar. I can make myself stronger and continue to perfect the skill now with heavier weight weight the entire process resulting in a body that's changing now the problem is that people have forgotten that Exercises or skills. I'll take it way back to the most basic running Running everybody people who start running today nobody thinks themselves You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna lace up some running shoes and then I'm going to go like, I'm going to

go practice running and really relearn how to run because the last time I really ran a lot was when I was 12. Nobody does that. Everybody goes, I'm going to put my shoes on and I'm going to just go run even though I never run. I'm going to go run until I'm tired. And so what you end up with is terrible technique, terrible running form, high rate of injury and a low rate of results. It's not just, high rate of injury, and a low rate of results.

It's not just the high rate of injury. So as I'm talking about, you know, practicing exercise like a skill, I think it's kind of, it's more obvious that you're gonna reduce your risk of injury by doing that. But with less obvious to people, they actually get less results if they don't do it that way,

because a barbell squat done properly has a tremendous amount of value. A barbell squat done improperly has very little value in terms of results. And then of course the injury risk. Now, it has to be a bit of kind of like a bell curve, though, right? Because I mean, our buddy Steve Cook made a comment

on the discussion that we had about, you know, the deadlift of the squat being like a king of all exercises. And I think he put snatch in there like, why is this? Is this a snatch? It a clean clean clean clean press that's right it was a clean to press so Olympic lift right so it was an Olympic lift in there and and there's some truth to that right like if you if you can do that movement and continue to do that movement as as you made it incredible benefits but. But that the, I think the skill to,

in order to, to be able to do that movement is so high that the risk is too high for most people. So where, where would you say like those actually, I mean, it'd be cool to create some sort of a graph so people could see like what we're talking about when we talk about these exercises being the best because of that. And then we add in something like skill acquisition. It's like, okay, well, if it was just the highest skill ones, then you would say things like a clean impress or a snatch or movements like that. But then at one point, there's diminishing returns because of the risk profile of it, too.

So how do you have to be appropriate? It's got to be appropriate. It's gotta be appropriate. You're a clean and press or a snatch. Yeah, but the problem I don't like with that statement sounds that there's a lot of people that don't think a squat or a deadlift is appropriate for them. Yeah, no, because I hear what you're saying. So a squat and a deadlift would be a prerequisite

before you ever attempt a clean and a pressure or a snatch. So they are prerequisites. And there's levels of exercises that, you know, could I take the average, you know, 40 year old and teach them how to do a clean and press? Maybe, maybe not, probably not. If they've never worked out, they've never practiced, they've never really trained their bodies that way. It might never be an exercise that they could do. I could take the average 40-year-old though, so long as there's no major injuries, stuff like that.

And eventually get them to squat, eventually get them to deadlift, eventually get them to do things like suitcase carries and farmer walks and overhead carries and stuff like that. So it's gotta be appropriate, of course. I mean, I agree with you. I'm just trying to find the best way to communicate it to the audience that, you know, let's say avoid squats

and deadlifts because of that reason. But don't, and here we are making the case for, you know, it's something that is a high skill, how important that is for the gains that you can get from it. Yet, we're also saying, well, that I'm not encouraging you to do a, you know, clean and press because it's too difficult. I don't think that I would discourage anybody from working the way towards that as a

pinnacle objective. In terms of what we started the podcast out with, to be able to practice and learn a skill, you place these achievable skills there first. So you do have to have the prerequisite. You do have to build your way up. You have to build up this support system, the stability, the type of mobility, the type of fast twitch power and strength

to even move that kind of a weight with that kind of acceleration. So you have to kind of segment that out and plot where those first objectives are. And so I think that in terms of your base exercises that we always talk about with your back loaded squats, your bench press, your overhead press, you know, bent over rows, you're sort of staple exercises.

Those are like a real solid way to build like overall strength and have a solid foundation for you to then start to then put your eyes towards an even higher goal of this like pinnacle of like a power move like that. And I just, I think it gets skipped. Like, these like major lifts get skipped. Yeah, look, here's the bottom line. Not everybody's gonna wanna accomplish the most challenging skillful exercises.

That's fine, I don't care about that. What I'm saying is approach all exercises like skills. Take the most basic exercise, a curl. Treat it like a skill. It's not just you're working your biceps, it's a technique, there's a skill to the curl, perfect the curl, and you'll get better results. Perfect the shoulder press, and you'll get better results.

Perfect the leg extension, the leg curl. I don't care what exercise at the point of this is view exercises as skills, go to the gym to practice those skills. Don't go to the gym to work out. It's very different mentality. If I'm going to the gym to work out, what I'm thinking is I want to get my chest sore and tired and I want to sweat.

If I'm treating exercises like skills, I'm going to say, ooh, I want to really practice my bench press, my incline press, and a cable fly. Okay, I want to practice the technique of those exercises. That's going to get you better results. You guys know this, look, if the average person went to the gym and said, I'm going to practice three exercises today and get good at them.

And they just did that every time they went to the gym versus, I'm going to go to the gym and try and get a workout and sweat and get sore. Who's going to get better results? Yeah. The person perfecting and practicing skills. This is what the old-time lifters understood. They did not look at an exercise. They saw the byproducts of side effects.

Like wow, you get a really strong back when you do that exercise. You get really well-developed core when you do that exercise. But that was more of an observation after the fact. It was really about, I got to perfect the accomplishment. It was, yeah, perfect in the lift, and being able to perform it then in front of people. That's right. That was the pure objective of them training in that direction.

Yeah, by the way, look, I like to use running as an example because humans, we didn't evolve really to have any physical abilities that make us like competitive in the animal kingdom. I mean, we're smart, and so we're great tool makers. That's why we're at the, we're called, you know, the apex predators, but we don't have claws, we're not generally very strong compared to other primates. We're not super fast, we're, you know, we don't see it night.

We're pretty useless, right? We get eaten up and killed pretty easily. But one thing that we do have that we evolved with was our ability, and this is true. I remember when I learned this as a kid, I thought this was amazing. Humans can outrun, not for speed, but for distance, or out trek, almost any animal, for distance. In fact, there used to be a famous race that was done. Maybe you could look the subdub where they would take a human runner versus a horse. And it was a really long distance.

And it was a toss-up of who would win, the horse or the human. Obviously, the horse would take off faster, but they'd have to stop. They didn't sweat like we do. They don't have energy preservation like we do. And oftentimes, the human runner would win. And this is how hunter-gatherers actually hunt. They'll injure an animal with a spear. And then they just follow it and run after it

until the animal collapses. We'll also fall over here. Exactly. So humans, and if you look at our anatomy, we have these really big knee joints. We have this really big knee joints. We have this really muscular feet and mobile ankles, and we have these really big glutes. We are literally designed to walk and run consistently for long distance. This is what we

evolved to do. And yet, if the average person goes and runs right now, they're going to get hurt. They're going to have injuries. They're nears going to hurt. They're fricking hurt. We design all these crazy, you know, shoes and all this other stuff. Well, why? We just forget that we lose the skill. We stop running over kids and we lose the skill. And then when people go and try and run,

they don't practice running. They go run till they're tired, what you, I mean, you do, if you don't know a skill and you're trying to get good at that skill, the worst thing you can do is do it when you're tired. Okay, if you don't have a throw a basketball, you're gonna throw a basketball even worse if you're super exhausted and they tell you

to throw a free throw. So this is just a great example of what I'm talking about. Strength training is no different. Every exercise that exists with strength training has a skill component. If you practice it as such, you'll get way better results. Yeah, do you think that's because of the over glorification

of like sweating and burning calories? Yes, that's it. Because they both are always the objective. Yeah, I mean both lifting weights and running. I mean, I feel like that's the mindset that people get into it. Like you said, nobody ever laces their shoes in and goes like, oh, I'm going to go try and practice. Imagine if sports were played like that. Like obviously with a sport, there's an objective.

You know, you got to win the game, make the most points or whatever touchdowns. Imagine if you went to play a sport and the coach was like, uh, just go until you're tired as possible. Like don't worry about it. I don't know. How do I throw the ball? No, no, just throw it. Keep throwing as hard you can until your arm falls off. How shitty of a game would you feel like there are coaches? I was gonna say I'm sure you've been tried a few times. Yeah, I'm sure it's been tried. Those coaches don't go very far. Oh no, yeah, their team is not gonna perform well.

That's for sure. So were you guys like this? So I was like this when I got into lifting, I was already like that. And I attribute that to playing sports as a kid, is like, you learn like, you know, when you're learning how to play any sport, how to throw a ball, how to kick any sport, how to throw a ball,

how to kick a ball, how to catch a ball, there's a technique to it. And like learning that is so, so you were really careful about it. That's why, yeah, totally and on that thread, like I think that's where the disconnect was for me as a trainer was because I always had that mentality of like, well, I want to learn, you know, how to hold my body, how to make sure the actual leverage and everything is on point, the way I'm moving matters in this position. A lot of people that don't have that kind of a background

of being real disciplined about all those little nuances of how they move their body, it's just like, let's just get the thing up. And so it's like, and you have to like really start stepping back and realizing like your average person needs a lot of steps before that, so then understand that this is a practice, a drill in a sense of learning, like you have to be able to control your body in such a way that this is going to be way more effective.

Yeah, when I first started working out, this is how far it went for me. It was just, how do I make this exercise? How do I get this exercise to feel it and the muscle I'm trying to work? Because my initial introduction was Bodybuilding, magazines and Bodybuilding Books. I didn't learn that exercises were skills, like I'm talking about now, until I started to read about powerlifting. Because powerlifters do this, right?

They don't care where you feel it. I don't care if you feel it in your glutes or whatever, like, can you squat the most weight? So for them, it's all about leverage and technique. And when I studied powerlifters when I was much older, I started working out of 14, it's probably around 18 or 19, that I started diving into powerlifting technique. That was a mind-blowing to me. Mind-blowing. When I started doing that, the gains started going through the roof from that.

Whereas up until that point, it was just about, how do I make it so that I can feel it in this particular... Which isn't totally terrible, but it isn't as good as, you know, as what we're talking about right now. So I missed out on the loading and trying to get maximal strength, but I did do the technique thing, which is kind of funny.

If I would have figured that out, also lifting heavy back when I was younger, I probably would have seen a lot more gains than what I did, but I definitely came in with the attitude of like, I mean, I was so, I probably would have seen a lot more gains than what I did, but I definitely came in with the attitude of like, I mean, I was so extreme in that direction that I used to love to go lift weights when I was all shredded and looked all good next to the guy who was lifting crazy weight and I lift a tenth of his weight,

but looked like I was stronger or looked better than that person because that's where my mind is. That's so funny how you flip it and feel good about that. I was the other guy. Yeah. I'd like to live next to the bigger guy. I live more. Yeah, no, because you know when you're in the gym, I can see the value.

And either right? Right. In the gym, like everybody, you look at the buff guy. Like rarely, I mean, maybe if you are into lifting really heavy or a powerlifter guy, you might go like, you're more impressed with someone's weight, but I think that most people look at the bodies and go like, whoa, that dude's really impressive. So I'd be in there with my wife, beater, take top or whatever. They call them wife pleasers now, by the way. Is that true? Yeah, they're trying to change my true. It's really good. Nobody likes.

ESG got a whole of them. Oh, fuckers. Of course. ESG meets way into hanging. No, no, then they pull it up. They're like, hey, pleasers. Oh, like, do you, by, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no social governance, that's what it was. And so this is an organization comprised of some of the largest investors and companies in the world.

And they give you a score based on what you do for the environment and what you can do for inclusivity and stuff like that, by the way, judged by them. So there's no like real objective, clear metrics or whatever. And that score will get you more money from investors or less money from investors. So if you have a terrible ESG score, it's harder to get money. By the way, the total amount of US, I think companies or investors that the amount of capital that they have who are part of this ESG is something. Yeah, well, yeah, almost 90% of the S&P 500 companies, you're looking at almost $70 trillion,

we're all wide, something like 400 trillion or something like that. And so this is a way for governments and big players to influence companies that doesn't have anything to do with the consumer. So in other words, in the old days, you started a company and you either did well or didn't based on whether or not your consumers buy your product or not. Now you have to add on top of that,

am I what's my ESG score? Because otherwise I'm not gonna get enough money or they're gonna fire me or the board of directors is gonna do moat me or whatever. It's really crazy. Do you think it's rude in and good? No, I think they use good as a guy. It's a, it's clothing they wear to sell it

to the public and to companies and to sort of appear a certain way. When in fact, because I would think it sounds good, it sounds like they're trying, but if you go look at in terms of where money's been allocated towards any kind of environmental or kind of like initiatives that they talk about. It's minuscule. So for me, that's what it boils down to. You could say all the cool things you want, but what really is happening is just a pure

manipulation. Here's how you know. Elon Musk, who before he started speaking out and sharing his opinion, he's company like Tesla would hide out great ESG score. I mean, it's the first major battery operated car innovations towards reducing emissions and helping the environment. Then he comes out and I guess he reps some ruffles feathers. Tesla has a ESG score that's lower than the other major car manufacturers and lower than BP, British petroleum, an oil company. How does that make sense?

Yeah. How does that even make sense? It doesn't. What it is is a way for, because with markets, global control mechanism. With markets, it's like, if you're a government, it's hard to control companies and markets. All you can do is legislate, but you can't go in and directly tell them.

So what they did is it created this kind of like, this category, it's like a credit score, if you will. And now they can punish or reward companies, whether or not, it's up to them, basically. And so some people might say, well, what's wrong with that? Well, markets aren't perfect, but I trust millions of consumers more than I would 100 very powerful people

because it's easier to have 100 corrupt people and is to have million corrupt consumers or whatever. There seems to be a bit of a backlash happening though, right? So I saw McDonald's, it came out and said that they would no longer be promoting it or talking about it. Now there's also that they might be just saying that and then still trying to run. They might have just saw the way the culture shift. Yeah. And you saw the article that Patrick Redd David shared about LinkedIn that came out and said like the DEI

and CEI scores are hurting your companies and stuff like that. Which is all related. Yeah, it's crazy to me. It's like, what was the, I don't remember what that's the diversity, inclusive, inclusivity, or no, initiative, right? That was crazy because it would give a score to a company based off of Like the physical appearance of their employees. How women and how they do Mexican. Yeah, like that's crazy. You do not merit just how you look. This is so

It's all racism and sexist, which is I run a crazy to me. Those are your guiding descriptions, you know forever Governments or people who wield power hate markets. It's always been that way because with markets, you don't have the power to tell companies what to do because the market's kind of determined. So they've always hated markets. Always, it's always been that way. Anytime a dictator takes over, it's one of the first things they do is shut down markets and take over companies or power

or find a way to control them. They hate them, they hate them. And this is one back door way of doing it. And again, markets aren't perfect at all because obviously consumers, I mean, we know what we want, we don't know what we need type of deal. But- Green greed will catch them. But yeah, but you know- I know what we want. We don't know what we need type of deal. But- Green greed will catch him.

But yeah, but you know. I have faith that greed will catch him. I, you know, I heard Justin talking before the podcast. I think he's the only one besides me that watched the documentary on telemarketing. Oh, yes. He's on telemarketing on HBO. So, it was great.

Honestly, I didn't even, I thought it was a mockumentary because these, the people in this documentary are such characters. It's almost like a crazy version of the office, but even crazier, right? Like even crazier because people like doing drugs and like, so basically it's this whole group of like ex-cons. And you find out through this whole documentary why all of these ex-cons. And you find out, you know, through this whole documentary,

why like all these like ex-cons are kind of getting hired for this telemarketing job, which to be very honest, it's a brilliant like crazy scheme and hustle that they came up with. But really like, so their whole thing is to basically sell donations. Just donations to police organizations and basically like to get a sticker that they can put on their car or some kind of validation for that. I think everybody else, right? Yeah, most people kind of remember that, right?

And it extended from that. It was even like you'd get a follow up call if you donated anything by now a fire organization that wants like the same type of donation and then like paramedics or whatever. They just had you kind of on a list indefinitely from that. What you find out is like how much it was like, it started out as like 20% there was 10, 90, 10, right? Yeah.

So 10% was the actual firefire. So the police, 90% was the company who was collecting it. And they ran, they did this for like over a decade and we're extremely successful doing it. And the one like, hiccup where people would like, oh, where is this going? Like people started to get kind of like, you know, savvy and realize that like this is like some other company.

They're not the actual police I'm donating to. And so they actually went through the lengths of creating a new LLC that had like police officer in the title so they can then say that they were like the police asked for me and then say that 100% of the money goes to the police officers. So, yeah, association of that. So, they literally get caught up from greed, bro.

I mean, they were killing it at the 90-10 split. And it was so how did they get in trouble? So, here's the way I think right there. I mean, they were totally miserable. So, because I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, if I'm the police, you know, if I'm, let's say the police officers union or whatever, I'm like, well, we're getting something rather than nothing.

That's how they got away. That's why they got away with it for so long. Because 10% was still millions of dollars. And then they get fined or whatever, they get slapped like a $35,000 fine. And they're like, okay, and they pay it, but then they wouldn't change. And they would like ramp it up again.

And then they get like a $500,000 fine. And then they ramp it up again. Plus they got the cover $500,000 or $500,000 and then they ramp it up again. Plus they got the cover of, let me guess, we're employing X-cons in the career. So the brilliant part about that, now check this hustle, right? So they all have to make numbers. And this is like, in order to have the job. And so they actually like targeted areas where there was like no work.

And like there's a lot of X-cons. And so it was like, this was their only option. And so they're like hustling to get these sales. And if they weren't making their numbers, they did a dirty trick. They'd like call up their parole officer and be like, say they weren't working. Say they weren't working.

And so they'd take them. And basically it was like a threat that was always there for them to like pull if they weren't like producing. Oh wow. Isn't that that so dirty? So if you're not getting enough donations, it's like, oh well, looks like you're not doing it.

Dude, and then they found out people are doing drugs and things and they're like, fine, whatever, just make the numbers. The guy that was doing the documentary was like a heroine addict and he was like, he was just like crushing. It's a great doc because during this whole process, one of the guys had this idea of like,

I'm gonna document in this. So there's like real footage of all the stuff. So it's not like just a, I can't believe that telemarketing works still today. I know. So crazy. I know. You have to be a special kind of persistent. You know what? Yeah. You tell you what? If you look, when you watch this and you listen to the script,

yeah, when it's when it's read, I mean, these, the guys who created it, right? They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, you pitch it, I mean, the way they open the phone call is like, you know, like they're in a town, right? And there'd be like two fallen officers in the last year and they would like, they'll use that. Oh yeah. This year, you know, two officers, oh yeah. So hit you right in your heart's joy. I'm listening to my fuck, I probably give 30 bucks.

You know what I'm saying? And so, and then I've given money. I definitely give it money before. Courtney, remember, she's the one that told me that she remembers she gave $10 like you got, you know, the same hustle out of it. And then they followed her up like three weeks later with the fire, like the fire minns, whatever, like association. You know why I call, you know, I'm going to be as a full disclosure. Two reasons why I gave money. One is a huge supporter of law enforcement, but also two, I wanted the sticker.

Yeah, because they also use that. Yeah, they were selling it that you would get at tickets. Oh, see, that's what I thought, which is, yeah, I've thought to myself like, a bit of fan that's sticker on my car. That's what I mean, you think that you'd have to be a total sucker, but it's, I mean, and then, you know, they start their smart, they start you off at like a small $25 or $35 donation. So you think, oh man, 25, 35 bucks, you get a police sticker on my car and in my wallet

that's gonna potentially get me out of tickets. Like, oh, okay. You wanna know whose relentless, relentless with calling me is the Red Cross. I donated blood. Oh, cause you did. What's your blood, what's your blood? It's time type O.

I have type O positive. Like if I came down all the time, you guys call me. They want your blood. Because I'm type O. I have type O positive. Like if I came down all the time, you guys call me, I'd be dead. Apparently I got you suck all the blood out of me. Apparently. I'm still regenerating. Yeah. So I don't know this.

So if you donate blood, you have to wait a certain period of time before you donate again. They have like a policy. But if you have type O, then you wait much shorter. Because you're the universal donor. I have like special blood, right? I got the blood that you could give to anybody. So as soon as I gave blood, I get a call from them.

I swear to God, I'm not making this up. Okay, honest to God, three to four days a week. Three to four days a week. I swear to God, dude. You know, with all your STDs, it doesn't screw that up. You still have that in. Because that's, oh, wow.

Because I got two of them that canceled each other. Yeah, that's my theory. That's oh wow. Yeah, because I got two of them that canceled each other. Yeah, that's my theory. That's your theory. What a shitty way to fight that right? Donate blood. You can't donate again. Sorry. Often that's happened.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. That would be a horrible like shocker. Yeah, but yeah, so that's it. They call me all the time. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, speaking of funny stuff, the comments. So I came in Sick right had a fever came in recorded an episode and the comments sales are up

So so bad Hey, well for some people are treating it. I got some comments on there. People are treating it like I went to work and saving a lot of stuff. You're so good. Yeah, man, you came in and powered through. And for a second, I felt proud of myself. I sat in a chair and I thought, people forget or something. I swear, people are so soft now.

I guess that's a badge. I'm like, I really almost, I did almost as much as I would have done at home, except maybe a little of such talking, such a savior. Yeah, like that you were so uncomfortable. You powered through, you know? Like my partner's maybe come in. You guys are gonna get bored of,

you guys are the ones that should have gotten the comp. Right? You guys sat next to each other. Nobody was breathing on you. Yeah, I know. But people were like, he looks so sad. I'm telling you bro, we had higher sales on the last two days because of that. Everybody felt bad. Yeah, I'm convinced we got some charity.

That's hilarious. No, that's not. By the way, the reason why I was talking so quiet and sad was, yes, I was sick. But also because I was, if I knew if I pushed my voice out, it started coughing like crazy. So I had to talk like this. I had to watch whatever. I know. You still, it's still lingering a little bit.

A little bit. A little bit. It's just just a leftover congestion or whatever. One of the, one of the nastiest ones you've had in a long time or what? Um, it's up, it's, it's good. It's pretty good. I would say it's like a, it's a top 20. You know how I got sick or whatever.

I've had some pretty bad ones. I was back at the text from last week. It sounded like it was the worst. Yeah, it was, it was, it, well, if I count all that, you know what, you know the worst was? It's a good, going you out. I know. It was dramatic.

The worst one was, uh, when I was in Thailand, I got food poisoning. That's bad. That was bad. I remember that. That's the was when I was in Thailand, I got food poisoning. That was bad. I remember that. That's the only time I ever thought to buy food. Bad food poisoning has to be up there with one of the worst feelings ever. If you get it really bad, really bad to where it's like, you can't take water down, you can't have anything

because it comes out everywhere. Well, you know what part I didn't know about until that had the first, I've had it twice like that, really bad. That I didn't know about until that had the first I've had it twice like that really bad that That I didn't realize was like would be so awful is when you just everything is out of you like that You're you're so weak and frail feeling that laying on a bed hurt me everything. Yeah, like everything felt hurt Yep, I was so uncomfortable so like you're so sick You're so exhausted and tired throwing up and you can't even lay in the bed and feel covered because the bed filled with your laying on rocks.

It was such a weird weird weird feeling. My favorite part of that whole thing is right because this one, Jessica and I first started dating and she surprises me and buys these tickets to Thailand. She got a great price for them. By the way, we figured out why it was a great price because we had a 24 hour layover in China anyway. I had a 24 hour layover in China. Anyway, I can fluid chicken. Yeah. But, let's say what? And you fluid chickens. Yeah, it's like Indiana Jones Temple.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sick or she's like, oh, come on, I travel the world with the circus and you'll be fine, nobody gets, you'll be cool, you'll be whatever. Of course, I get freaking hell of bad food poisoning when I get there. But I hallucinated. That's, I never had a fever to where I actually saw, I saw shit crawling on the walls, dude.

I was tripping out. It's not even the cool kind of hallucinating. No, not the fun kind. Yeah. It was the bad kind, dude. And I mean, I mean, a Thailand hotel and I went, oh, God, this is really, I'm so excited. Did you lose taste and smell at all?

Let's go around. No. You didn't lose any of that stuff. Katrina says she's, you know, the funny, like day four or five she did. So later, yeah. Yeah, she, I thought she was fine while we were out in Yosemite.

And in fact, I had to tell her, she was gonna, we were my best friends, like, hey, we're gonna get up at five o'clock tomorrow morning and we're gonna go do that six mile hike or whatever that. And Katrina's like, okay, we'll play it by ear, but I'm feeling better and I'm like, I don't think you should do that.

She wears now right now. Yeah, but like just fatigued. She's really fatigued and then the taste, smell, thing, all for her. So yeah, yeah, do more stuff at home. Yeah, yeah, she don't do so well for always. She's not feeling well. Did you say you put her in the room for like a second?

Yeah, I for. So when I first got COVID, right, I was the first one in our family. I was early too, very early on when everybody was still fucking scared to death, right? And she locked me in the spare master suite that we had at the other house. And like, you know, lice all right by the master suite that we had at the other house. And like, you know, lice all right by the door.

So anytime I touch the door handle, she's spraying, spraying behind me. And it's like just over the top, bro. And locked me in there for like seven days. I remember, you were not liking it. Yeah, seven days I was locked up in there. So sure, shit, she gets sick this time, right? And so I tell her, I'm like, hey, we're gonna have

to quarantine you. I don't want max to get this. You know what I'm saying? We don't want Max sick, right? And she's like, yeah, yeah, I know I agree. She's in there for one hour, dude. One hour. I'm out there doing some of our son cleaning the kitchen, making dinner for him, doing the laundry from our trip and so that. So my phone's not on me. I come in like maybe after an hour so that but check on her. So I'm gonna go check on her. See how she's doing. And she she's like how come you don't have your phone on you I mean here locked up all day I'm like whoa dude I'm like do this that so that she I mean she totally apologized afterwards it was hilarious to see her like that because she's never I remember

thing you should have like called us and we could have got you like some zombie makeup or yeah you're like oh it's happening yeah changing yeah well you've been in here for one hour. I was in there for seven days like you your time Yeah, I remember you you were in there because you were texting us when you were locked, you know You're in that room and you're like oh, it's killing me man. I hear Max playing out there I can't walk outside the room. Yeah, I'm locked in there. I've watched everything on Netflix Oh, God, I tell you why it's funny. You that's way brutal It is it's probably one of the worst parts about it was that. Was the isolation.

I thought was like really, really bad. Just interesting how we're such social creatures until you are for it. And there's something about hearing it too. I bet if I was on some retreat where I'm supposed to be by myself or I thought it'd be meditative and I can read and it can be a show. Choosing to be alone is that the same as being.

Yeah, that's the part that makes it so terrible. It's like I'm in there and I can read and it can be choosing to be alone. Is that the same as being? Yeah, that's the part that makes it like so terrible. It's like I'm in there and I can hear anything else going on. I'm like, this is fucking terrible. The pertain to have fun on purpose. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Max did something for the first time.

Oh, you missed it. He was juggling. This is crazy. Oh, this is so crazy. Speaking of kids. Oh man. Speaking of kids. So my oldest cleaned out his room

because he's going to be going out to the toilet, boy. I'll be, I'll be, I'll be empty nest your guy. I'll be driving him up to, you know, to take him to school to help him move in over the weekend. So I sat, he, he came up for dinner, got the last of his stuff, right? And then he went to his mom's house and I sat in his bed, dude.

And totally just, just go, I just went through the, oh, yeah, I remember him like, he was little, girl, no, but remember, oh, and I'm just sitting in his room, just feeling so sad. Best and worst part about it. Uh, best, I don't know if I could, I mean, best, one less teenager in the house, probably good.

I mean, that's gonna be positive. It's also gonna be positive, like your son made it. could, I mean, best, one less teenager in the house, probably good. I mean, that's going to be positive. It's also going to be positive, like, your son made it. He's a very smart kid, right? Of course. No, no, no, no, no. All joking aside, to be way worse, he's 18, and he's like, hey, I'm going to be here for another 10 years, because I can't have a job or fucking, I'm a dummy. That's the Italian way that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How are you sure you want to leave me allowance? Yeah, so best and work, yeah, that Yeah, that's that's of course I'm proud of him. I'm very proud of him and he's you know, he's gonna go off and grow and learn.

That's awesome. Worst is man, you're that that's it. That's it like the time you spend with what's that statistic? That one hit me 90% of the time you'll spend with your kid happens before the age of 18. Zero to 18 is 90% of what you will spend. Or it was like even higher than I don't know. I have it in my phone because it like hit me so hard.

Yeah, I mean, you're always going to be there. I always obviously be a part of it, but it's not like it. Like it was when they were little. So it's just he's going to be out. He's going to be out on his own. And now I'm going to be, I remember when I moved out. I was older. I was 21 and I remember my remember my mom calling me every day.

This was for the first month. She'd call me every day, how you doing, whatever, and she would cry every day. Oh my God. And I was, as a kid, you're like, oh, come on, mom, like, you know, why is it so exciting? You know, I'm so I love you, mom, whenever.

Now you get it. Yeah, right. Now I get it. And also I get the whole, like, the parents, like, you never call me, you never call me. My parents still I get the whole like, the parents like, you never call me. You never call me. My parents still say that to me. You never call us, you never call us. Now I'm a parent.

Oh yeah. Cause I know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be gone. If I don't call him, I guarantee he's not gonna, I get it, you're out doing your thing. I remember what I did. How old were you when you went out? Justin, so let's see, I came,

well after I came back from college, I think I only stayed there for like a year. So it was like, I was probably, so you left when you were 18. Yeah, it was probably about 20. Came back, I left again. Yeah. What about you, Doug? I actually went to school locally,

so I stayed with my parents during that time. Till you were 40? 40-year-old Virgin. 38. No, actually, tell us like 21 to 22 when I graduated. Okay, so all of a sudden about the same. But I had to cover every expense, my school, my car, my everything. Yeah, back then, a car with 25 cents.

Did you guys, did you guys, did you guys, did you guys, did you do anything like that? So when you came back after college. Oh, yeah. And then, so did you have to pay for everything? Yeah. They were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pay after college, oh yeah. And then, so did you have to pay for everything? Yeah. They weren't, they weren't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, pay for college and everything. You have to. Yeah, that'd be weird. Hey, welcome back to college. A lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people from the parents, a lot of parents, a lot of parents, if you, they still take care of them.

Andrew, how old were you when you were out? 17 for college and then came back and then I was out, got my apartment. I think 21 22. How long were you back home with mom and dad after you came back from probably like six months? Oh, just six months. Yeah, I could. Yeah. Now you were out early, right? Yeah, 17. I tried to get out of 16. They called the cops something. That's right. Found that out real quick. Can't run away till you're 18. That was a fucking law. That's stupid. Oh, never forget coming down the police station

like that being like, uh, my parents threw me out of the house and then they called the cops on me and said I was a runaway. I'm just here to let you guys know that I'm not. I didn't know I didn't run away. They threw me out of the house like and so and they're like, yeah, sorry kid. Doesn't work that way. Doesn't matter what they say.

You're frustrating that because that's so illogical, right? Is it too with kids, right? You're like, you're like, sitting down with them, they're like, hold on, let me get the straight. You kick me out. Yeah. And then you call the police on me, because I'm out of the house.

Can you please explain this? Yeah. I remember that, and then the lecture from the cop when they actually came down and arrested me and stuff, and I remember him telling me, like, and I remember crying, right, uncontrollably, and being like, but nothing is, nothing is from them. I bought my bed, I bought my TV, I bought my bed.

This is my stuff. Yeah, and then I remember him being like, yeah, and they could light it all on fire and you can't do a goddamn thing. No. And like, or they could sell it, they could give it a donate it. This is tyranny.

And I'm like, what? No, the cats? Like, yes, they can But till you're 18 everything you think is yours is technically there. I'm like that. This is some fucked up bullshit Lot of your political attitudes make sense I didn't mean like this coffee is a bro. It's coffee. This is bullshit Oh, you mean our stuff That you get right so yeah, I know I tried to be out my 16 and then when I was 17 Oh, you mean our stuff? Yeah, no, it's just our dude, our stuff.

Now you get it, right? So yeah, I know I tried to be out by 16. And then when I was 17, and because I was young for high school, so I was gonna graduate high school at 17 before I turned 18, my parents realized like, I was like, just, I was on a mission to not speak to them for like the last year of like living there,

because I was just like, okay, this is how we're going. How long did you last, by the way, without saying a word to them? Dude, I lasted months. I really liked it. Yeah, I did, I lasted. I think that's why they finally broke was because it was legit like that.

Like, he'll talk to us eventually. Yeah, yeah, I think they really thought that. And I was just, I mean, I, I mean, right notes, if you know how I am, like I'm, like, I put my mind to something, like I decided I'm like, that's, I was like, I'm not speaking to them for a year. That's the one thing I can do. That's the one power you have. Yeah, that's all I had. How did you community write notes like we know?

I mean, I if they if they asked me direct quite wasn't like no No, but I'm not okay. Yes. No, it's yeah, so we had family dinner every night I just be nothing you know, I'm saying first is I was a loud kid right I was loud talking Well, you know like so for me to make that switch it was definitely challenging I absolutely had that attitude of like, I'm not speaking to these guys until and when I'm out, you'll never see me again. I remember telling them that like, when I soon as I'm 18 and I'm out of prison, I said, I'll never come back. I'll never talk to you. Oh man, I was so upset. And then towards the last like year of high school, and as I was when I was 17, I think they realized like how as I was, when I was 17,

I think they realized how serious I was. They really realized, they called your bluff, but you weren't bluffing. Yeah, yeah. And so then I think they started to loosen up, then also they were like, oh yeah, just check in with my curfew also, I got extended and they started being all cool.

And then when I was talking about moving out, looking for a place, my mom was helping me look for places and stuff. So I was like, okay, which was a smart play because I, who knows what would happen if they would have fought me all the way till I left. I'm crazy like that where I might be like, I'm never coming back. No, my mom called me every day crying. Then when they would come visit, she would bring food like, tupperware's food.

She'd do my laundry. She saw me vacuuming, she started crying. You didn't learn how to do laundry till Jessica, right? No, no, no, no, before that. Get out of here. I moved that on my own. I had to live on my own. When I was in, you didn't just buy new clothes every week?

No, yeah. The word is close. Paper plates is a vassier. Paper pants. No, dude, I had to learn plates. I had to learn because I lived in Palm, members of this down in Palm Desert when I owned that gym. So I remember I went to the grocery store. I never washed clothes or did I don't know any of this stuff. So I bought like 15 different

detergents, went down to the laundry, you know, laundromat and I sat there and I read the instruction. I looked at everything. I don't know what to do. Luckily a lady next to me noticed and she's like, can I help you? I never, I never done this before. She's like, here's the on button. What do I put in there? How much water? Like, how do I add the soul? What's going on? I would love to be a flower though. Well, I had to, I had to, I had to realize people lied. You don't have to separate your clothes. You go throw them all in. They come out just fine. Everybody, they come out just fine. It's a sin. Katrina. I had to start the other day, and I wanted to ask you guys,

because it's something that happened. So hopefully you guys could come up with a thing. Is there anything that you swore you would never would do or didn't think could ever see yourself doing until you became a parent than you found yourself doing that? You know what I'm saying? I gotta think about that.

Can you think of something like that? Where you're like, no, I was never, I'd be like, never, am I gonna do that? And then you become a parent and then I'll send you, catch yourself doing that. You know what I'm saying? Can you think of something like that where like you're like, no, I was never I'd be like, never am I going to do that. And then you become a parent that also said, you catch yourself doing that or being that way. Can you think of a situation like that? I mean, I'm just a lot, I'm sure there's a lot of things. I can't think of something. What about you? I'm sure there's a fruit. Yeah. You all, yeah, this, why this happened was I was, and it was, it was literally like a, just a natural reaction. I did it, and then like I caught myself

and I went, oh my God, I remember thinking, seeing somebody do this when I was younger and being like, that's so disgusting, I would never do that, like I'm never gonna do that. And that is like, seeing your kid, right? We're in the hot tub, right? So just him and I in the hot tub were hanging out, and you know, whenever he gets like a little bugger,

no, I just reached out to this grass. I just reached my foot off the ground. I reached out to him. I reached out to him. Oh, that just reach my reach over there with your hands and you squeeze it out and just throw it on the ground and I'm never thinking like seeing that for the first time when I was like a teenager or young kid like oh my god fucking disgusting I would never do that and then finding myself just doing it without even like subconsciously like you saw oh my. Oh yeah, I do it. That's a good one. Isn't that?

Yeah. How about this one? Have you done this where you see something on your kid's face or their hair sticking up? You're licking. Yeah, licking. Yeah. I'll let me wipe that off on my spit.

You know, it's crazy about it. Or what I thought was so interesting about that moment where I caught myself doing that is that it wasn't like I had this where I stopped and went, oh, what do I do? You know, should I do it or do it? Yeah, you just do it. And then after the fact, you're like, oh my God, that was something that I said. This Katrina have this device, apparently it's popular

with moms, Jessica uses it and I, it's the most disgusting. It's the most disgusting. I can't even, so she has one? Yeah, it's called a, what the hell? It's called a, it's called a, It's called with mom is it the no the bulb is fine. It's the sucking one. Oh, yeah It has a filter. It's a tube and it's got a plastic tube It's not a nitty-pun no bro you literally suck with your mouth. Come on The bookers have another name of this. I don't know, but it's like how you siphon gas.

Yes, it's called, is your wife use it too? Yeah, she use it all the time. I think it's free to maybe. Oh yeah, no free to. No, it's free to. That's what it is. It's a no free to and Katrina doesn't. And to me, I can not.

Now the bookers don't go in it doesn't, it doesn't, but it doesn't. But it doesn't matter. It's just the action of it. Come on. It's the action of it that I can leave the room. I can't get behind it doesn't do it. It does it, but it doesn't. It's just the action of it. Come on. It's the action of it that I can. I leave the room. I can't get behind it.

I can't. Yeah. It's got to be a mom thing. It is. It's got to, because Katrina has no hesitation to do it. It's just a lot of her love. But she's just, I can't even watch it. It's talking about right now.

I was making me, so that's weird, right? Because I don't, I just, I did the thing with my fingers. No big deal. Don't do that. But watching you suck through this nose-free dough. What the hell? And it's disgusting. It is disgusting.

Gross. I'll tell you what, here's what else is gross. We got an Amazon pack to the day. Jessica opens it up. She's like, it's finally here. I'm like, what is that? It's this weird black tube. She opens it.

There's always like metal, weird looking, looks like a surgery kit or something like, what is that? She's like, oh, it's for popping pimples and stuff. I'm like, what? A popping pimple kit. Bro, there's like 15. For a crime as one of those, it's like,

weird devices in there. Digs in to lift it up first. What? And then like, okay. This is a theme? Yes, bro, this is a girl thing, 100%. They watch too much Dr. Pimple pop. I swear, this is how you know we're primates.

You just take when you pick the, you know, whatever the ticks are at least or the lies. She gets, she's so excited, take your shirt off right now. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, honey, I'm like, hold on a sec, first of all, you try it. Okay, do you have like two or three that are always like, oh, this is like my well and she would just like, it's it. There's always one like here on my back and I'm like, dude, bro is like my well. And she just like, it's always one like here on my back. And I'm like, dude, bro, listen. Is that it?

It's our, it's like a surgery kit. Yes, dude. It's actually, that one right there, and he has the same thing. It's the one in the middle. Pimple pop, it's called a pimple popper tool. Kit, I didn't even know. 10 p.t.

I did not even know this was a thing. It's gross. It's only 14.99. Lucky you. And I even know that pimples were that unique that you need 10 different tools potentially. I didn't even know if this was a thing. It's gross. It's only 14.99. I fucking you. I so even know that pimples were that unique that you need 10 different tools potentially. I didn't either. She was so excited.

We almost got an argument. She's like, take your shirt off and lay on your stomach. I'm like, no, I'm not gonna do that. She's like, for me, please do it. I want to do this so bad. So I laid on my stomach and she went to town. And she's like, look at this black head. Look at this black head.

I'm like, I don't care, what are you doing? You're at least ingrown hairs like an attack. Yeah, and it hurts. It's not gross. Okay, let's change this up. Yeah. It's disgusting. Yeah, that's the thing.

All right. Well, you guys didn't hear mine, but what do you go? You just got one. You should dig, dig, dig. It's kind of a lot. So typical. I forgot. No, I didn't. I didn't. No, you didn't forget, did you? No, you should. It's kind of so typical. I forgot.

No, I didn't forget. No, didn't forget, didn't you? No, I didn't forget. For me, it was, it was, I had this like hard rule that like when Courtney was pregnant, like when, you know, she's gonna go through the whole process, like, I was gonna be like at the top part and like, you know, I'm here, I'm here for like comfort, whatever,

like, what if you need a upper body support? Like, I'm not gonna be like visibly like gonna be visibly in the receiving end of it, and through the whole hustle of the whole thing, and we had a doula there, and she was kind of manipulating me, and kind of moving me, and then the doctor was like, oh, come here. Look at that, and there,

and almost then I see the whole thing, and then they had me cut the cord, and they had me hold all these, the placenta, and I'm like, looking at all this stuff. I was like, I told all of you, I wasn't gonna do it. That's still, that it happened. I remember that one too, actually. It was a hustle, dude.

I remember saying that I wasn't gonna do all that stuff and I did all that. None of it, I thought it was. But it didn't, yeah, it wasn't anything like I expected. I had the whole process, especially with Dahlia, because we did that at the birth center. It was just one of the most amazing experiences of my entire life, but the placenta delivering

is always what the hell was that? It didn't, I didn't need to see that. What is that? You didn't need to see it. I know. Great transition. Have you guys had legions, new cookies? I'm a that commercial, Doug.

That's horrible. You made horrible. Hey, that means it tastes like Nutri. Hey, speaking of placentas, you know what else is? I made a little, great transition. Hey, listen, you ate all of them. That's a, you ate all of them. I did, I did.

They were good. They were good. So I don't, I'm not a big fan of the bars as much, even though I did eat some of those, not that long ago, the cookies I like. I do like, so how many grams of protein is per cookie? I believe it's 10. Oh, it's no 12 or 15, isn't it?

I don't know. I think it's only 10. I think it's 10. Look up, no. Yeah. Look up, Legion, protein, cooking. Cooking. Well, I had them.

You saw I stole all the rest of the protein powder in the back. Like, Everett's eating me out of house of the MyStash. So he's like, he's like, I'm thinking shakes. of house of the my stash so he's like shaking shakes yeah oh wow yeah he's into it now like a see way or is he doing the vegan way yeah yeah he's doing the way although the very family bro oh I stay corrected it is 15 okay yeah I just say wow that's a good amount yeah 10 and how many calories is the whole cookie uh 260 that's not bad at all so you can eat two of them and have a nice nice they're actually good they them because they're chewy. That's why I like them too. They're not like all crumbly and so they're chewy So they're good. I like it. I'm not a big like protein bar fan of that much and now I thought those were pretty good

So shout out to Legion. What's the what's the product that you use most of all of our partners most consistently? Is it the because I see you every morning? There's morning. There's a lot of things that I use really consistent. I almost always have creatures of habit for breakfast. That's the one I see you using every morning here. Yeah, that's, I mean, I would say there's a lot of things I use every day. I use our sleep eight every single night. I use our night with you at night, so I don't see you.

So well, creatures of habit I use, I use my caldera stuff every single day, magic spoon, like on semi, like every other day or a couple days, I have. How regular do you eat the creatures of habit? Every day. Yeah, pretty much. Like right now, it depends. I'll be on kicks, right?

So I've been on this kick of having oatmeal to start my day. And I notice a difference when I do. I just feel better. It actually kicks my appetite up. So I like it for that reason. So I can easily skip breakfast and go all the way till like two o'clock and eat the first time.

If I do that, I am playing catch up with protein. And so one of the first things that I have to do is be disciplined and I'm not always gonna sit down and make myself like a, you know, or order like you're doing steak in 12 eggs. So if I'm not gonna do that, then a quick creatures of habit just add water with 30 to 32 grams of protein. I also see the editing team eating the creatures of habit

pretty regularly too. I love it. Yeah. I mean, I really think my kidded out the park with that. I mean, it was something that I did consistently when I was competing anyways, was making my own version of it. So to be able to have it already pre-packaged and then to go. And I've told you guys too that I've messed with all the cookie recipes. So they make pretty good high protein cookies.

So I do that all the time too. So that's kind of a staple for us. So if I had to like, because everyone knows I have a sweet tooth, right? So I probably toggle back and forth between the homemade creatures of habit cookies that could turn to mix and we keep the refrigerator or magic spoon. And if I have those to have act like,

if I didn't run out of a box of cereal and if I haven't ran out of my creatures of habit cookies, that's good, like I'm cool. I don't need to go get like a sugar kick or someone that it gives me enough of that sweet. And then I'm also getting a don't need, I don't need to go get like a sugar kick or something like that. It gives me enough of that Sweet and then I'm also getting a protein kick with it. So, but if it's not then, you know, then I'm like anybody else. I wasn't asked you, I'm sure you read this. Did you see what UPS drivers are gonna be making? Yes, that was on my notes like last week. Did you hear about this? No. So they just had their, they just,

there was right before we all take a dish. How much do you think UPS drivers make now? Well, they just had their union thing, right? So they fought for their wages. What do you think they're in terms of like a year salary? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we've got UPS truck deliver stuff. You know, I think I would imagine like 50 to 75. 175. Woo!

175 an hour? For a hundred, hundred, hundred, hundred, hundred driver. Yes. Wow. That's a full timetime driver now going forward

when this contract falls off. So they're like, they have their own union, right, just like you're sitting around, and they just had their big re-negotiations. And what was the, what were they paying for? They paid. It was like a 50% increase. Oh, wow.

Yeah, it was a big jump. It was a big jump. So, I have a little bit of a speculation on this. I think when self-driving cars become like a thing thing everywhere, the first places that we'll see them take over will be for deliveries, especially long deliveries. What's the problem with UPS is who's going to take the package out and take it to the... Well, I mean, you have the self-driving crowns. Yeah, you'll probably have it to the house. Yeah, it'll probably drop it off. Well, I mean you have the self-driving crowns and then you yeah, you'll probably have a drop into the house

yeah, it'll probably drop it off. Well, they already have like the drone things that they've been you know for a minute so you'll just have like a drone drop it drop in the front door with that. Oh yeah, that's coming. And I I I'm wondering if the one just like of course that's the first transition. Like you're not going to risk humans in there.

Like you're like you're going to mess with drones flying packages. Yeah, where it's it might be like you have to meet up with the actual vehicle Right, so you gotta like you schedule it so it like parks and you gotta go get your package If I'm in the back or something. I don't know Yeah, that's I would wonder how they would do that without a human But that's a that's a tremendous salary. I had it is a big That's a big job.

Most people don't make a hundred grand a year. That's $170,000. Yeah, 175 was, I saw it too in my job. Hit the floor. You used to have to be a district manager for 24-feetness making. Well now, you know what I looked up to? What do you guys think like the average lawyer makes?

Because of the average lawyer. Yeah, I think I'm gonna see people. Okay, let's get to the dealers. How about the dealers and their... What do you think the average top 10% of lawyers make? I would guess at least 200 grand a year. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's, I would have thought way more than that. Top 10% of lawyers.

Almost like 500,000. I would have thought of like half a million to a million, but it's actually no, it's like 180 to 250. Look at the, I saw what the average lawyer made and it was like under 200, which I thought was crazy low. And then he was watching suits. My sir Katrina is all on the suits right now. And so I was looking up like what all the average stats were.

What do you got for me, Doug? He pulled it up. Yeah. So the median annual wage for lawyers was 127,000 in 2021. The lowest 10% earn less than 61,000, the highest 10% earned more than 200,000, 8,000. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but I bet it's exponential.

The top 5% is probably a big jump. I would guess. I have to, I mean, the top 1% are probably taking advantage of that. But I just thought that was really interesting because it's, most people think, oh, Dr. O'Loyer,, you're gonna be rich. But you know what, you're gonna be rich in a year. But people think lawyer,

there's so many different kinds, like there's patent attorneys, there's trial lawyers, there's divorce attorneys, like that'd be like saying doctor, average doctor. Well, there's general practitioner and then there's like a surgeon

or, you know, so there's gotta be a wide range in that sense. So everybody's put together. I mean, I still thought it was alarming. I just would have not, I would have never guessed. I'm not throwing all that school. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, spending that much money on it. And so you're talking about an overwhelming majority of them that go through all that. Look up top 10% of entrepreneurs. There's something that might not be advertised as much. What do you guys think? You think it'll be more than lawyers top 10% Yeah, absolutely. It's gonna be waiting and doctors. What do you think numbers gonna be for top 10% of entrepreneurs?

Half a million. Yeah, that's a good guess. 300 and something 350 average. These stats are the problem with that is that one of the benefits of being a very successful, well, one of the biggest benefits of being a very successful entrepreneur is all the tax benefits in the way you can structure your company for your livelihood.

So there's probably a lot of entrepreneurs that have a, say, a million dollar business, they take a $100,000, $ million dollar business, they take a hundred thousand dollar, eighty thousand dollars salary. It's different than their assets. Yeah, but then they have structured their car and their housing and their travel and like so much of their life through the business. And so, you know, on a stat like that, it's going to reflect what their pain taxes on,

but in reality, they're probably better. I'm on a website, I don't know, the career explorer, and this is entrepreneurs can earn an average yearly salary of $43,000. That's average. And then it says top level entrepreneur earnings, which is the 90th percentile, so top 10%, 133,000 per year.

Which is cute though. I'm telling you right now, like if you are an entrepreneur and you have a business that is clipping away at a half a million or a million plus a year, you would be dumb to pay yourself $400,000 a year. You'd be much better paying yourself a low salary and a huge pool to do. Plus, what's in that pool? Like, is it like, you'd be much better paying yourself a low salary. That's a huge pool structure. Plus what's in that mean?

Well, like, is it like, yeah, they sell ammoid? It's like, yeah, anything exactly like any type of business I would assume would lump in there. Yeah. So yeah, that's kind of like, yeah, that's, yeah, you're not going to get the real number reported for that. It's different when you have a W2 wage where you can go check, like for sure. This is what this law firm is. That's true. But in Oxford, newer, there's so many more benefits.

You know who makes a lot petroleum engineers? Have you ever looked up their numbers? That's a random thing to look up. Yeah. So why would you look at that? How did that actually? I remember I read an article, Doug looked that up, so like average petroleum engineer. At one point was one of the highest paying jobs.

And these are people that figure out how to get more oil and, you know, how to work with oil and stuff like that. Apparently make a shit ton of money. 82 to 200 grand a year average average. Yeah, that's average. Here's the UPS thing. So they'll make an average of $49 per hour, which works out to be about $102,000 a year. Yeah, but that's, but they get 50,000 in benefits, which works out to be about $102,000 a year.

Yeah, but that's- But they get 50,000 in benefits, which includes health, welfare, and penching contributions. Oh, you're also, yeah, but I think you're also, are you averaging the part time people in there with that? No, this is full time. This is full time. So the full, the 170 number is a little bit, it's like, oh, they're not getting $970,000 in like pure salary. Yeah, but penching plus benefit, I mean, it is. It's all money in the end. Oh, yeah, it's like, oh, they're not getting $970,000 in like pure salary. Yeah, but pension plus benefit, I mean, it is. It's all money in the end.

Amazon or they, I wonder how close they are to that in terms of what they offer, you know, their drivers and whatnot. I don't know. All right, so I got a shout out for you guys. I don't think you need to shout out because he's blowing up out of nowhere, all over Anthony.

Oh, yeah. So I am not, I love his music. I'm not a country fan Yeah, I just not my favorite kind of music. I started to enjoy it a little bit when we went to Tennessee and I we watched that live Performance because when you watch it live, it's like totally different and then all over Anthony is making the news And it's the lyrics that caught me. It's very soulful. It's like a bluegrass kind of five. Check, great, bro.

He does a song. I think it's called Feeling Pretty Good. And then another one about I want to get sober. Oh, it's like you don't get the chills. It is like he is so pained and just so cute to see you come over the light side. Dude, get to have the over here. It should all get to heavy metal guy too. Oh, yeah, eventually.

It's all it's it is. It's all about the lyrics with country. Yeah. Well, that's where they got soul. That's where I'm going. So yeah, but he's he's great, great music. I'm like I said, not a fan of that kind of music normally, but I saw Rogan shared him and then I've actually seen a lot of big pages actually share that, I think went viral overnight.

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All right, back to the show. First question is from Johnny W. Brandscom. What can I do to get more road map veins? I have a lot of veins, but I want the ones in my forearms to stick out more. What should I do? I'm already sub 10% fat. Take a pump and use sodium. Is there any way to get even more?

Oh, genetics, leal, desire. Yes, people love it, you want to be all Vaney? Chicks love it too. Really? Especially if you're a nurse. I notice you have a nurse wife. Yeah, but they like the fact that it's easy to apply shots or whatever, but like, what's the other benefit is my thing.

Like, what? She's lying to you. She's not even telling you, bro. No. I'm gonna ask for anything. Yeah. This is weird. I picked this because it's a weird question. Well, first off, people love this.

Just this person, the specific person who's already sub 10% body fat takes, sounds like pump supplements. I think what's worth trying to say, uses sodium. I mean, no, there's not much else you could do. I mean, genetics plays a large role. Like I have veins in my shoulders. Genetics plays 16 to somebody biggest role.

Genetics and then body fat percentage. I mean, you see pro bodybuilders on stage without a lot of veins who are lean as hell. And then you've got other guys who get the crazy looking Veritas veins in their legs, which is disgusting. So I'm robbing just disgusting. Yeah. So I'm robbing veins everywhere. Yeah, I mean, but generally it's getting lean being well hydrated.

Those are the two main things. And the reason why people may find some veins attractive, because you're right, I think women like some, but not a lot, right? You don't have to crazy look at ones. Is because it's just a sign that someone's lean. That's all. It just looks like your shows off that you're at a decent, yeah, I can't speak to why certain women like it or not.

I know I've had plenty of comments from nurses for that reason, just because I think it's easy to find, the point that Justin made. Yeah. Do you get really vany when you said it? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm naturally vascular. Oh, a little bit, yeah.

But they're crazy. When I get really lean, they'll pop out everywhere. Yeah, yeah. So they definitely, that's... That's a weird thing. Like, I used to, when I had play sports, or I get really angry, I get these two veins in my forehead. It was always would stick out.

Like, this doesn't really happen as much anymore. Interesting. Is this the kid right here who's asking the question? Yes. Yeah, he's pretty lean already And you see is he's got some vascularities got the bison vein in some forum vein stuff, but He's already lean enough that he would he would be If he was a vascular person, it would be popping out or now one thing that I notice just draw him on when I got really lean if I get below

Let's say 8%, or 7%, is that I notice my veins will come out after I eat, especially for I eat carbs, like almost within 15 minutes. I'll eat carbs and then within 15 minutes, I'll start to come out. Oh, big time. Yeah. If you're super depleted and lean like that, and then you, as I used to love that, I mean, you would see it happen within 30 minutes to an hour or so, and then you, as I used to love that, I mean, you could, you would see it like happen within 30 minutes to an hour or so, and they start popping out. But yeah, I mean, you're, yeah, there, again,

there's just like a level of like, that you can actually control, is the big thing is gonna be, if you already genetically are that way, and then getting really lean, all the, the carb, the carb and water manipulation to try and look more vascular. That's all temporary.

Yes. You do all that before you go out and then you do a BFR. You get veins all throbbing. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, you know, all the pump supplements and stuff like that. I mean, they might help a little bit, but I don't think it's going to make it, you know,

a huge difference. All that stuff is temporary though. I mean, imagine if you want to be more vascular, you want to be more vascular at a time, you're not looking for a 30 minute fix, right? That's right, I would think. Yeah, I used to work with a, I used to train some vascular surgeons, one of the more popular procedures that they would do,

that was not a, like a prescribed procedure, right? Cause they would have to work a lot on people who were gonna die and stuff like that. But they did some cosmetic procedures. One of them was Vericose Vane type of surgery, where they'd actually go in and they would almost like kill the vein so that the person doesn't have Vericose veins anymore.

It's pretty crazy. Next question is from Dre Teller. How do you successfully exit out of overtraining? Will you gain fat if you go about it to abruptly? Should you treat it like a reverse diet, slowly, slowly easing out of it? No, no, no. The best way to get out of overtraining is to immediately cease your workouts. It is not a slow reverse out.

If you slowly reverse out of overtraining, you're just going to be over trained for much longer. The best thing you could do if you really are in a state of over train is to stop. Stop workouts, stop everything. You can do some stretching, some walking, recuperative type stuff, and then let your body recover. Now as far as gaining body fat, no. In fact, I know this doesn't sound like it makes sense because like, oh, you're burning less calories. No, the truth is, if you're really over trained and then you rest, you're muscle. Yeah, you actually, you actually come back a little later. I actually, I actually think that this is one of the ways that I try and teach somebody to figure out if they are is like, okay, you're stuck at this hard plateau.

We think you might be overtraining like crazy. Let's take like a week off, like fully recovered with that. When you come back, I want your volume of training to be cut in half. Don't change anything else. Let's see what happens. And if you build more muscle and or get leaner, right, you look better, feel better, get stronger over the next two or three weeks of cutting the volume in half, then that's a clear sign that you were overtraining.

If you put on a bunch of body fat and you don't gain any more muscle, you don't get stronger than maybe you weren't overtraining, maybe there was something else going on. So this is actually one of the ways I think that you can tell if you're overtraining is by simply reducing the volume, you get in better shape, you get stronger because of it. Every time when I'm overtrained, I have less muscle and more body fat. When I get out of it, it's exactly what happens. I build muscle and end up getting leaner. In fact, when I would get people who are like really like I could really see like, oh, this is person's over trained, they would always be shocked. That doing less would because they'll expect to do less to feel better.

People like, okay, I think I need to rest. I mean, I'll feel better, but they're always shocked that they get better results all of a sudden. Yeah, a lot of times my clients, it'll reveal it more effectively to them when they go on like a week-long vacation, they don't actually train. And then they feel so energetic and strong and like everything's working. So amazingly, like the following week and it's that's such a clear indication, you know, that you're just doing too much.

Listen, if your body has to choose to either survive or build muscle, it's going to try to survive first. That's its number one priority. So and if you've been beating it up so bad, it's constantly thinking about surviving. It's not thinking about building muscle, simply reducing that volume and intensity and scaling it back or and or feeding the body appropriately. Now gets the body to go like, oh, we're good. We're not struggling to live and survive. Now I can prioritize building muscle. The hormone profile that's associated with overtraining

is a hormone profile that is anti muscle and pro fat storage, especially visceral body fat or trunk body fat. For the survival reasons. Right, so the hormone profile that's associated with appropriate training is pro muscle and pro fat loss. So what do those two look like? Well, a pro or an anti muscle pro fat storage is high cortisol

all day, okay, because you should get a spike in cortisol in the morning, but then it should go down and be low at night. Well, somebody's under chronic stress or over training has got cortisol that's just high all the time. It's insulin insensitivity. So you actually start to lose sensitivity to insulin. It's a reduction in Androgen receptor density. These are the receptors that testosterone attaches to. It's lower testosterone. It's a lower growth hormone. So what's happening is your body is literally resisting building more muscle because if you're over trained and there's too much stress, the last thing your body wants to do is increase

its energy demands by building muscle because throughout all of human history, except from relatively recently, you wanted to be efficient with calories. And if you render a lot of stress, you want to even become even more efficient with calories. More muscle is not the way to do that. More muscle means you burn more calories. So your body is literally organizing itself in a way to make all your goals much harder to accomplish when you're over trained. So you're going to store more body fat, especially around the midsection. You're going to not build as much muscle. Now when you come out of that and you do it right and you rest and the best way to do this is immediate and abrupt. It is not a slow reduction. It is immediate and abrupt. That's the fastest way reduction, it is immediate and abrupt,

that's the fastest way to get there. Then what will happen is a hormone starts to change again over time and your body starts to allow itself to have more energy demands by building more muscle. And it allows itself to burn more body fat as a result because it doesn't feel so stressed out like it needs to hold on to everything. So, and I know people, this whole know, this whole calories inverses calories out, that calories outside of the equation can change dramatically depending on your lifestyle,

but on your hormones and on what your body thinks is gonna be beneficial for itself. And being over trained is not a great place to really have a lean muscular healthy physique. Next question is from Justin Lifts' weight. Oh, it does, doesn't it? No, it doesn't. I am very hamstring and glute dominant.

How do I make lower body movements more quad-base, especially unilateral? You're blessed. Here's a, here's a, you're so rare. Yeah, and here's an easy way to do that. All Justin's are glute dominant. Yes, that's the best thing. Apparently. Here's an easy way to do that. All Justin's are glued dominant. Yeah, this is the thing, apparently. Yeah. Here's an easy way to do it.

When you do your lower body exercises like squats, lunges, wear squat shoes. Yeah, elevate the heels. Yeah, elevate the heels a little bit. That'll increase the amount of knee, flexion, and extension, which is going to activate the quads a little more. So I typically don't recommend that to people, but that's one way to do it.

Literally, while you're doing your barbell squats, elevate your heels, and your form will change to put more of the demand on the quads. Step-ups, lunges, leaning your chest forward, feet lower on a leg press. There's a lot of different ways to, by changing the angle for you to put more emphasis on the quads and so the glids.

Now the easiest also, if you ever wanna, anybody who's listening, if you wanna emphasize a body part, the easiest way to do it is to work that specific body part at the beginning of the workout. So at the beginning of your leg workouts, this is a great time to do quad isolation exercises first, which you normally don't see, but this will be a great time to do it isolation exercises first, which you normally don't see, but this will be a great time to do it.

So, leg extension, sissy squad. Sissy squad will be a great one this time. Yeah, do like two quad exercises first. Then go to all your other leg exercises, and you're going to get more quad development by doing it that way. And you'll get less of the glute and hamstring development. Now obviously if somebody wants more glute or hamstring would be the same advice, right? Is to prioritize that as being in the workout.

Next question is from Reese Hokianga, how to push yourself without a gym partner or hurting yourself? I think the gym partner thing is so overrated. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's sort of the messaging that I would probably put out there is like, like what's the real value in your gym partner? Like what, that you can't find yourself in terms of like, if you look at the right dose of intensity, the right dose for you individually, it gets muddy in terms of having like somebody there

that's motivating you to kind of push past you know those natural Signals your body's giving you in terms of like finding that sweet spot where you're gonna actually adapt and build muscle versus just Hammer yourself a bit too hard. This is a problem with our space is we've we value motivation so much I hate that I hate that argument like oh, it's so much more motivating to come to my friend. Oh, my friend motivates me. It's just like, stop it. If you want this to be a lifelong pursuit for you, you've got to get rid of this idea that you need to be motivated to do the thing. Imagine if everything was like that.

I know, I only do things I've motivated to do. It'll never last. You know how much stuff I would do? That's my reading partner. Yeah, I'm not gonna read with them, I read your partner. That's why I can't stand it, because it's's a terrible message and our space promotes it so much.

And we lean into it and so many. Because it feels good. Fitness influencers want to be motivating. Yeah, it gives you this initial feel, good feeling. But for our listeners, it's a bad strategy. Like learn to be disciplined, learn to create habits, yeah, and, and you're far better off doing that for yourself. Somebody is always suffering.

If there's a, a, a partner workout, whoever is leading it, it's getting the most benefits because they're doing what they probably want to do or need to do for their body. And then the other person is suffering because it's not what is ideal for them. And even if that's what motivates you or the gym, eventually, they're not going to be around. Eventually, you're going to move. Eventually, they're going to get married and have kids. Eventually, shit's going to happen.

And so, you need to start to learn how to create habits that you don't need anybody else. That doesn't mean that you can't have fun or work out with them. Or maybe it's a part of their... Yeah, I'm not shaming somebody who has a workout partner. I'm just saying that we put too much emphasis on motivation and this need for other people to be a part of our work. Let me put it like this with workout partners. I have nothing. I have no issue with workout partners, except for the following. Okay. Imagine you're about to embark on your fitness journey. And you know that this is gonna be something that if I want it to be effective and real,

I have to do for the rest of my life. Okay, so I'm not gonna do this for a month and then stop. The goal is to do this for the rest of my life. Now you gotta go find a workout partner that's gonna work out with you on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays at four, whatever your time is, forever.

Okay, good luck. First of all, there's almost nobody you'd want to see three days a week for an hour forever and depend on that type of consistency to show up, to work out, to want to be around this person. Like that's a tough, and nobody talks about this. This is actually kind of funny. Breaking up will workout partners. I've had people cancel gym memberships

because they don't want to break up with their workout partners. So they'd rather go to another gym. Because otherwise they break up with a workout partner and then they're worried about running into them at the gym when they work out on their own or whatever. I've only had a few workout partners that I, let's say I'd work out relatively consistently with. And the, the breakout part sucks because then you get a ton of, hey, listen, you show up later at time. I guess not really working

type of deal. And it's a friend or someone, you know, type of deal. Yeah. No, now, here's, here's the other part of this. People, the majority of people who are not getting good results is because they're not showing up, not because they're not working out hard enough. Now, yes, there are people who need to work out harder. But that's not the big problem. That's, it's a problem, but it's a small one. In comparison to just showing up.

So about this, I need someone to push me. If you showed up and you just show up, then you're probably gonna be okay. Now that we're done ragging on you for everyone in a workout partner, to answer this question though, if you were trying to push yourself more, so in other words,

increasing intensity in my workout without risking injury or hurting myself because I don't have someone, let's say, to spot myself. One of my favorite things to do is to choose a weight that's difficult for me. So let's say I'm doing a 5x5, so I'm doing five reps. I choose a weight that is difficult, but I know I'm going to probably be able to get five because I don't have a spotter, so I don't want something I'm going to fail at doing. And then as I get to the last rep or two, I slow the tempo down dramatically. last rep or two, I slow the tempo down dramatically. If you take somebody who does this kind of cadence

where this is what a bench press tempo looks like for them and they're like, oh wow, this rep number three is easy. Oh wow, rep number four is easy. Now watch this. And you slow that last rep down completely. I mean, you could take that muscle to damn near complete exhaustion by so and then and you're moving away that you can comfortably, if you realize, oh, I'm not going to be able

to get it up, you speed up the tempo and you rack the weight. Like, this idea that you need to have these sets that take you to failure so much that you need to spot. And by the way, most people that even do that do this wrong. Yeah. Like, it was used to be one of my pet peeves when somebody would spot me and they do this. Come on, bro, come on, bro, you got it.

The angle I was gonna go because immediately, like, you're reading this question. It's like, you know, if you're testing yourself and you're going heavier than you normally do, you really have to know how to bail. And you have to know how to like dump weight and you have to know all these ways of getting out of those situations.

You set up safeties and all that kind of stuff. There's a way to do that very effectively. And there's a lot more machines, racks, and things that have those available. So look, ask somebody or how to like set that up, but even just in a basic like squat. Like you should know that technique of being able to dump the weight and bail it not feel bad about slam the weights. Listen, people don't hurt themselves working out

because they didn't have a gym partner. They hurt themselves because they picked an inappropriate weight for what they were trying to do or they had bad technique or bad form. That's all. It's not because you even have a workout partner. It's because you're doing it wrong. That's it, that's the bottom line.

I think I've seen more bad technique in form with a workout partner than I have alone. I'll make a bet right now. I don't know if there's any statistics on it, but I bet you people get hurt more often with workout partners only to work out on their own. Could you get somebody who they, they all help me lift this up.

They think it's a great strategy to push so hard to where you fail and get stuck. And when you do that, the body goes into this like, oh shit, get it off me. And then you try and help the weight up with every other muscle than the one you're really trying to work. Technique goes out the window.

And then it defeats the purpose of why you're doing the movement. And so, yeah, I've never been a big fan of the workout partner thing. And most of the workouts that I ever worked out with someone else, I've never been a big fan of the workout partner thing and most of the workouts that I ever worked out with and what else I let the workout because selfishly I wanna do what I wanna do. I'm like, I know what I need to do. I know how much I need to push today.

I know how much, how many sets I need to do of what? Like, so okay, if you wanna jump in my workout and follow along with what I'm doing, that's fine. But, you know, telling my workout to what somebody else potentially needs is just not ideal and you don't need that person to take you to, you can have an intense workout and not take every exercise to failure.

I hurt myself with workout partners way more often. Yes, I'm gonna do them out. I'm gonna show off. Well, and you gotta wait that you, oh, they'll help me lift it. And like, first off, a spotter on squatting. Terrible. Where's your going to get your go where I literally hurt my knee?

Yeah, it's terrible idea. Okay, they end up moving you forward and the whole weight crushed me forward. Yeah, spotting on like a bench press. Everybody thinks that's a great idea. If you're picking a weight that you can you're afraid you're not going to be able to get up with the spotter. Your form's going to go out the window while he's spotting you or she's spotting you. So also not a good idea.

Spotters with dumbbells? That's an interesting one. You guys ever do this where you're, I was a kid, we do like the dumbbell chest press. Of course when I was a kid, you know, it was all about how much weight you could lift type of deal. Were they spot you under the elbows? You under the elbows? They push your elbows and then you're in your then they'll stop the face of the belt.

It comes in. Yeah, that ever happened, yeah? That's a good time. Yeah, then you learn to technique of how to do it yourself, so much better. No, no, no, you got it. Train with the right intensity. Don't go to failure, stop a couple of reps short,

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