Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2151: What to Do if the Gym Makes You Feel Anxious, the Best Way to Train to Become a Muscle Mommy, How to Overcome Stress Eating & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

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Yeah. Teacher time. And it's teacher time. No. Shit, Doug, you know it's my favorite time of the week. We have three winners this week. Two for Apple podcasts, one for Facebook, though Apple podcasts winners are Miller time,

608 and American bum. For Facebook, we have Abraham Eskivez. All three of you are winners in the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address. We'll get that shirt right out to you. Intermittent fasting or fasting in general. Terrible way to lose body fat.

Look, for most of you want to lose weight, do not use fasting as a way to do so. Back in the day, we used to call that eating disorder. It doesn't work well long term. Now, here is what fasting is good for. Detaching your addictions or attachments to food. So if you rush to food for anxiety, depression or because you're bored, sometimes fasting can help with that. It can help you break the chains. But when it comes to fat loss, there's much better, more sustainable ways to do so. How many people are you thinking

of getting pissed off with that one? Yeah, well, you know, we still. Yeah, so we beat this to death a while back, but it's been a while. Did you see something recently? It's like, it's still a thing. People still talk about it as a way to lose a weight. I mean, when we were trainers, people, we used to call that skipping kneels or you're not eating enough. And fasting with someone who's trying to do it to lose a lot of weight, I mean, it could definitely work in the sense that it makes you eat less, but

what ends up happening is you really push towards the relationship of on off and so it tends to look like star of binge, star of binge. And that's not a great sustainable relationship with food. Just in my experience with fasting and weight loss with people that I've worked with, it typically turns out not so great. The only time fasting has been a great thing for people is when I've worked with people who are afraid

to skip a meal because they're gonna lose muscle or so they have to eat every two hours or something like that. And in which case fasting is great because it helps them kind of break those addictions or attachments. So it's more of like a, I don't know, like a better... It's very insightful and introspective and that's the biggest benefit I've noticed and my clients that have not abused it have noticed. But yeah, it's still out there. I mean, I just talked to one of my friends who I had to convince that it was probably a good idea

for them to probably include breakfast and maybe like try more protein in the morning and like let's work on that in terms of like regulating blood sugar and all that instead of just like cutting a whole meal out and then his whole day was like focused on how much you could cram within this window of a few hours. And so it just became an obsession to where, I just, I don't think people realize, like the kind of strength and pull, you know, that leads towards.

Well, I mean, for thousands of years, fasting has been used in all, most all religions for detaching from worldly things. Yes. And so the problem is, food is not one of those things that you're supposed to go without. And so utilizing it as a tool to go without food and just to lose body fat for vanity reasons,

or potentially even health reasons, let's say if you're morbidly obese and you lose weight, it's just not a winning strategy. Took me a while to figure that out. I remember when it was sort of get really popular. I like many things. I love to either one try it out myself, apply it to clients and then get feedback. I found it the most useful for my bodybuilding community. Yes, exactly. And what I found was they suffered from the same anxiety around food as I did, which is this idea of, oh my God,

if I miss my meal, if I miss my protein bar, I'm gonna lose muscle, I'm already shrinking. Yeah, and that fear of missing a meal and losing muscle. And there's a part of that because of your depleted and lower calorie lower carbohydrate That gives you this this feedback of oh is that that's got to be happening. I looked at myself Two days ago before I fasted and I looked my muscles looked all bigger and filled out now two days later It looks like I lost five pounds of muscle, but all that is it's just not not, they're not filled out. And so a lot of bodybuilders, bikini athletes, struggle with that mental hurdle of allowing yourself

to be okay with not eating for a couple meals or a day. And so I found it best with using with those clients to teach them that, hey, you're okay, you're not gonna lose your muscle. There are some medical applications as well that always exceptions to the roar. Exactly, so like you have gut inflammation, fasting could be a good tool.

There's been studies to show that fasting or something close or mimicking fasting could be an adjuvant therapy to chemotherapy. For cancer, I like fasting for the people you set out on. And then the other people would be like, people have a really bad relationship with food where they reach for it when they're stressed or depressed or anxious. And then we've identified as time of day that this happens, like after work or whatever. Then I'll have them fast during that, so they have to deal with what they're feeling and then learn how to

deal with it and manage it without using food as a drug essentially. But for fat loss, terrible idea, it's not a sustainable approach. It typically leads to the restrict binge behavior. It's just not a good strategy. I mean, you know, it's just, in people who've gone through this process will tell you that happened. Now what's gonna happen is we're gonna get negative comments

from people who just started using it. Well, the get, yeah. That's what we're talking about. We'll be sure to wait. I don't know how many times we get that. Oh, it's working for me for fat loss. Working means forever. Right.

Not, I lost me, you know, last three months, just like that. Like, okay, well, let's stay with it and see what happens. It's a great, it's a great tool for a lot of different things. I just think it's abused in our space for one of the worst ways to use it, which is for fat loss. Of course, the fitness system.

You know, another great place to use it. We just got off a great call recently with Dr. Cabral and You know who did a bunch of lab results on each of us and we shared that with the audience that hasn't gone live yet I'll go live later And on there we find out some of our food and tolerances and So here I'm about to start this kick where I'm going to eliminate a bunch of these foods One way to kick start that or moving that direction way it would be to like fast for the next 24.

Because essentially it gives your gut and your immune system a break. Right. So like cool strategy for that. So there's a lot of little places I can see application for it. I just think that 80 to 90% of what's made it popular in the space is as a fat loss tool. I think that's most the marketing has been around that. Most people that peddle it and sell it, attach supplements to it or have, you know, those reasons behind it.

I think it's, I don't think it's best to use that way. In my experience and my clients, we haven't had a long-term success utilizing as a fat loss. Yeah. Speaking of that food sensitivity test, I don't want to give away the spoilers because we all did them and then they came back and Dr. Gabbura told us what foods we were sensitive to and I wasn't really surprised by mine, but boy, you both, you guys got some really bad news.

The good news is, the good news is, you can both continue to eat creatures of habit. Nothing in there. That is on the list. You're still good. Okay, yeah, thankfully. I know it's like, it's very slim right now. But again, this is just a good, it's good inside.

It's a good challenge. It's good to know so that way I can work actively in that direction. And then, because there's a way you can heal and repair your guys. Not like it's a descent and, you know, from all these foods. It's like, it's really, it's just like, can heal and repair your guys. Not like it's a desentance from all these foods. It's like, it's really, it's just like, this hasn't been benefiting you. And it's like, deep down, you kind of know that. But also, you just need an outside opinion sometimes,

which is kind of rough. But yeah, there are still some options out there that are on the list of like, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna lean a little bit more in that direction, create the habit. That their source of protein, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna lean a little bit more in that direction. Creature the habit. The their source of protein will actually do well for me. Yeah.

oatmeal for breakfast, oatmeal for lunch, oatmeal for dinner for more. I know. Hey, the look on Justin's face when he got his, I felt really bad. I really had a bad day. Yeah. I'm not even the guy that like ever gets depressed or like feels like all like

hmm. You know, and I just I just felt I felt it like you know just kind of creep in. I'm like no, you know, I just I sat down stairs for a minute there and I was just like it just kind of hit me a little bit. And I was like oh, I know I felt so bad. So I wasn't really surprised by any of mine, although what I will say I was surprised at was that when I started to really pay attention

to all of my choices today, I don't think I was accounting for all the times that I would allow those foods to creep into my diet. Because I really paying attention. Yeah, because I'm being very vigilant about it now. And I was like, oh yeah, normally I would go grab that. Oh yeah, this would be a time when I do that. I'm like, oh, there's another one.

That's another one. It's like, hmm, maybe it's been a while. Every meal for me. Yeah, maybe it's been a while since I've not allowed my gut to fully heal by just purely, or at least start the healing process by avoiding these things that my body's intolerant to. So I'm excited So I'm excited.

I'm excited. I know Cabral said, give it 21 days. I'm gonna give it at least a month is what I'm gonna do. Just, and I've already started yesterday. So I'll keep everybody posted on my, I mean, I'm, for me selfishly, it's about my psoriasis. I want to get to the bottom of that. I have a sneaky feeling that this is not going to completely solve it, that I'm going

to have something else that I'm also going to have to probably... Well, probably the root cause of why you've got the food intolerances is what you'll have to eventually treat. Yeah. You know, I remember, you know, because this is this is all old hat for me. I mean, I'd I'd deal on and off with gut issues for it's been now. Gosh, it's been 14 years and that there was a period there. It was really intense. And I remember when I got my first food sensitivity 14 years and there was a period there. It was really intense.

And I remember when I got my first food sensitivity test back and it was everything I liked, everything I liked was on there. And I remember looking at it and being in disbelief and then being like, I have to cut all those things out. Like this sucks. Like what am I gonna do? And oh, this is terrible. Like gluten is a good example.

I know this now, but I didn't know then that gluten is in lots of things that you wouldn't expect. You expect bread and pasta, okay. Do you know how many barbecue sauces and marinades and shit like that? They put gluten into to thicken it up? It's ridiculous. And I remember at the time I was eating these chicken breasts

I was buying that were in these marinades. And the person I was working with says, did you check to see if there's gluten? I'm like gluten, it's not, there's no bread. So I was reading the back and I looked at it like, what the hell? Oh, there's gluten in this? I'm gonna get in there all the time.

Derry's another one. Yeah, Derry's another one. That's what I'm going to do. Derry is not just in cheese and in milk. Potato chips. You could buy potato chips that are like barbecue. Is that even like a sour cream and onion or whatever. Read the back.

Dairy. Salami. Salami. This one really pissed me off. There was, I love, obviously, I like salami. It's delicious. It's a, you know, Italian, something that we eat for, you know, those deli meats or whatever.

And I remember I used to buy these packets of salami and I really liked them and then I did that test. That's the reason. Some salami includes non-fat dry milk in the process. I didn't know that. It's annoying. It's so frustrating and annoying because I would eat it and be like, why don't I feel like a salami?

I should be able to eat this. And then I'm like, let me look at the back. And I look at like non-fat dry milk. Yeah. Why the hell are they putting that in Salami? Yeah. So yeah, it's one of those, you just become hyper aware of all the crap

that's in all of our food. We should highlight that Doug came in first place. He did. Doug has the healthiest gut. Yep. Yep. What was the one food for you? Because it's a one.

That's so weird. Yeah. Me so, do you do a lot of, I so soon. I don't actually, I did have some last weekend, but that's so weird. Yeah. Me so do you do a lot of I don't actually I did have some last weekend, but that's very rare. Interesting. Yeah. So it must be mimicking something else or obviously it's been long standing. You just didn't know it. Right. No, that means you have a sealed gut. You don't have any hyperpermeability or any gaps in your gut, which is cool because you did so bad on the stress test,

that stress often will do that. Yeah, I think everybody's won one and lost one, right? Everybody, look, one, were you the worst at? I don't think it was the worst at anything. You're like working out on the middle of the row of everything. Say, not the best at anything, not the worst at anything. That's true. I'm so low.

I'm so low on everything. I don't think there was anything I, I was one, I think I did really well. I don't remember what it was, but so far, yeah. You did really well on one of them? Yeah, one of the tests, I think I got good feedback. I think it might have been the stress one that I did really get on that one.

I don't remember. I don't think it was the stress one. I think so. Really? Might have been. Yeah, I think it was. Really? Yeah, no, I don't know.

Yeah. Which again, I would guess that I don't have, I don't have a lot of stress, and I do pretty good about I think balance and stuff with that You never expressed out Maybe that's why a grumpy maybe a grumpy and stressed out is totally different. Oh my bad You don't want to release it here He's exactly like I know hold it in you know you know, you know, hold it in you hand it you give it to us

You handed you give it to us. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. I'm totally joking. Hey, did you guys hear about the heirs to the Bud Light brand, like the founders, the family, so the family? No. I listened to an interview that actually,

the one of the sons that is, that is, they were like so appalled. Yeah, they said they will advertise in campaign. Yeah, he said that our our my dad would have rolled over And it's great and they're like we'll buy the brand back and bring it back I you know what? I think that'd be the only thing I would save the brand. Oh, I didn't hear that. Yeah, sold it off What's publicly traded those publicly? Yeah, right. They're not prime I mean, they're not mean so as that way they're saying that they would actually buy it back to the tweeter or post about it Wow, that would say we would buy it back,

and we would bring back America's beer. I think that would be the only thing that would say. If I was on the board of directors, that would be the move. I would be talking to the airs, because think about the story, the originators, we made this, we're the ones that create, this is America's beer, we hate the direction it went,

that's why we came back and bought it. I feel like that would bring back a lot of, potentially bring back a lot of their old, consumers or whatever to save the brand. Yeah, I mean, cause that brand is done. They date, they're dead. They killed themselves?

I was just gonna say that. The numbers are shit. And how many billions do they lose? They're still losing. Pretty appalling how quickly they lost. I mean, when you have billions to start with, losing billions is not like the, Well, they still make money, but they went from the number one beer.

Well, I mean, okay, yeah, no one's, no one's arguing that, but I'm saying like, I don't think they're done. I mean, I think Anheuser-Busch owns all kinds of different lines of beer. Well, no, I think that that brand within Heiser-Busch is basically in, in the context of what they've been. Yeah, those would be, sort of, Anheuser-Busch will survive. They have a bunch of different brand beers

that they can like, like, bank on those ones too. And even a lot of the, what was a lot of the, it's not Corona, it's the Corona and it's also dosackies and like, some other beers that are like in that category. I mean, I think that, I think that when you get in a predicament that they're in right now,

like when you have like a company this large, a brand, this large, you forecast what you should be able to sell, you have all these deals, you have tons of employees, you have lots of shipping stuff involved. So you take this massive multi-billion dollar hit, let's say, and that's enough to cripple that part of the brand. That's enough to potentially lose all kinds of employees. But I don't even know if it's enough to actuallyle that part of the brand. That's enough to potentially lose all kinds of employees. But I don't even know if it's enough to actually completely lose a brand. I mean, it could just shrink dramatically.

I don't think it goes from like, oh, you made a really bad advertising decision. You lost much microbru, kind of. I mean, I don't even know that, right? Like, it's hard to say. What do you got, Doug, for me? So Anheuser Bush said it's revenues in the United States last quarter fell more than 10% from the year earlier.

That's all brands, right, under the end. So that's because Bud Light was one of their major brands. Yeah, and yeah, primarily due to the decline of Bud Light, operating profit at the US unit dropped nearly 30%. Okay, so again, I mean, I'm searching for will that will that destroy the brand? I don't I don't think I seriously doubt that yeah, I seriously doubt that too I think but well there I mean what's unfortunate would happen is maybe a hundred employees get laid off and You know, let's say you're in 10,000 stores. You're now in 500 stores like I mean

Well, they're a big brand. They have a lot of money still, and heizard bush, obviously has a lot of money. They can be really smart with the marketing campaign and find a way to, you know, bring them back, right? We've seen brands like this do this before, where they were crap. Yeah, didn't Gillette repivot after their dumb,

their little... Yeah, but Gillette didn't do it with, but like did. I mean, but like was like the worst example of all of those. I know Gillette did it, they messed up too, but this one, you know, they really went hard. Yeah, and they doubled and tripled down on it and stuff. So, I mean, it'd be interesting.

I'm curious to see what they do. And I mean, I like watching things like this, just purely out of like, you know, this part of Americans want to come back story. That's right. And that's like, the scene brands get resurrected

that have died over the years too. So, I'm not discounting that at all. I just think they got a pretty massive uphill battle to get through. The marketing has to resonate in a way that will just, I don't know, I don't know what that looks like. It's got to be like insanely patriotic somehow. Exactly.

I think if the heirs came back and bought it or became the spokesperson people that they would be able to sell that story, right? You know, say they're Gillette still down, huh? Yeah, it's down. Wow. Every year. They never fully recovered. Wow. Look still down, huh? Yeah, it's down. Every year. They never fully recovered.

Wow. Look at that, huh? Well, whatever. I mean, that to me, because Gillette, what does Gillette have besides razors? Are they, do they have a bunch of cream? Yeah, cream, cream. Saving, saving stuff.

Yeah, I don't know if they have their, yeah. I mean, I feel like Anhyzer Bush is way more insulated and protected by a mistake like that than Gillette. Gillette probably is like, yeah, that's their entire brand. Yeah, Bud Light just was by itself. Like that baby. I mean, so let's play around with this idea that you have,

right, I mean, you could even like right off the brand and go like fool in that direction. Like rainbow color, but let's go fool in on that direction and then start a new lineup that is like the ultra opposite patriotic alpha, just sparkly rainbow. Yeah, like go all in on that. Like, hey, we're reducing bud. Yeah. You're gonna say, yeah, right? But I mean, Spritzer, you know,

I mean, Anheuser Bush has got enough power, capital, network to potentially do that is like, well, didn't they do that? What was that soda that we were talking about a while ago that was a tab that event that was a Diet Coke owned them because they were the first Diet Cola and then they bought them and then slowly took their sales type of deal. Oh, was it tab? I think tab, yeah. Yeah, I think it was tab. Yeah, that was the off because they've found their demographic was all women that were not trying

to get all the calories from the coke, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, that wouldn't be a bad strategy either, is to just write off, but light now is going to be marketed specifically in that direction, go all in on it,

and then start up another line. And I mean, how many, I bet you so many people would drink beer at the bar. I mean, we know this. We talked to the bartender when I had this conversation. Well, it's a beer that identifies as a normal beer. That's so hard. It's so hard. We talked to the bartender about, and I was asking him about sales

and stuff like that. And, you know, one of the things he said is like, yeah, obviously people are like not buying Bud Light, but then they buy Corona, or they buy another Anheuser-Busch line. It's not very few, the average buyer consumer, who is he? Yeah, who's even mad about Bud Light,

isn't even go far enough to be like, how do I really hurt this company? They just go like, I'm not gonna drink a Bud Light, cause I don't want people to think I am. So they just do that, but then they still get the company available, and they're like, ah, so you could easily fool the average consumer by going all in on Bud Light and staying in that direction.

But still, the free book cans, everything. But also think about this way Adam, you're a big company, like Anheuser Bush, right? Bud Light's when you're major brands. Still gonna hurt you because you have so much money, an investment, an employees, that part. Not one set because you're already you've already forecast that for the year Yeah, so you've hired you've got shipping deals. Yeah, so I definitely but it won't kill them You know, it's funny it reminds me of this is like an old SNL sketch with

Schlitz gay beer Adam Sandler and what's his name? Chris Farley. They're like at this pool. And it was like a typical beer commercial, but it was like, they're like, whoa, all these dudes in like thongs and stuff. It was hilarious. But then it's like, this is real life now.

So it's interesting. Yeah. That's great. Hey, speaking of brands and stuff, dude, I was reading, so Roblox, right, one of the most popular games in the world. Hey, speaking of brands and stuff, dude, I was reading so Roblox, one of the most popular games in the world. Crazy how popular I can. You keep, I keep reading articles about,

this is a terrible place to allow your kids to go. Yeah, because they're building all these communities within it and think, we're, shit. Yeah. I was just reading an article and it was all confirmed, the article, the author's confirmed it,

that there are rooms that you could go in. And by the way, there's rooms in like mini games within Roblox, apparently that are labeled all ages, right? All ages are welcome. And that you go in there and you can I'm sure it's not a predator's den. Yeah, exactly. You could cook and eat people.

There's one. Yeah, like you cook and eat like feet and stuff like that. There's another one where it's like a public bathroom. You can use the bathroom, but then other people can watch you or they can come in behind you and simulate sex. So this woman writes about it because she's like, I spent five hours playing Roblox and here's all the different rooms that I found that

are all ages. I'm like, wow. It's too big to monitor. Well, yeah, it's all open, right? So if I can't like the kids create their own code, is that how Roblox works? I have no idea. I think that's how it works, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I mean, you can't police that. If you open, like, you do a whole open, hey, how do you monitor that? They you allow them to create their own rooms of spaces. And if you got tens of thousands, like you can't possibly keep up. No, no, no.

That's great. It's definitely a predator in a track's predators. I was talking to my nephew. It's called Smith's Gay Beer. That's what it's called. Yeah, Schmidt. No, Schmidt's.

Oh, Schmidt's. I was a Schmidt. I like what you said. Oh, that's better. I was hoping it was Schmidt. Yeah, I was talking to my nephew about this. He has a friend online. He's like, oh, he's my best friend.

I've never met him. And he's telling me about him. And I said, you know, there's a lot of weirdos out there that pose as kids and they talk to you in developer relationship. He referred to somebody as a best friend who he's never met. He's like, one of my best friends, he said, he's a little guy. And I said, you know, there's a lot of people on there

that will pretend. And he's like, I've been talking to him for like a year. I said, they will talk to you for years. For years, they'll play this game and they'll talk to other kids until they earn your trust and then you go visit them or you give them your address or whatever, that's the game. The game is not, they talk to you once and they'll be your friend forever for a long time.

Yeah, I remember the documentary that went crazy viral and still I think a popular show, Catfish. I mean, that's what that was all about. Yeah. I mean, these people, they keep this thing going on for, I mean, they get off on that. They get off on the idea that they are fooling somebody. And so it's a thrill for them.

So, playing that character and pretending like they're someone they're not, they'll put that for years. I miss Nintendo, dude. I'm just gonna be honest with you guys. I brought it back. Yeah, I brought it back. I took, yeah, because my young guy he's all into the roadblock stuff.

And I started to see a lot of that because it's so immersive, they're just going all these different rooms and just to find, because their friends are in there. And so I'm talking to my friend and I'm like, no, let's get a switch and let's stick with the Mario and things that I'm familiar with and also I can pull it away.

And even just getting them, and I remember you brought this up too. It's like, there's such a different response when you take away a game. That's like a console game versus a iPad or a phone. It's insane. The difference. Crazy different. We, we played Nintendo almost every day right now. That's kind of the routine right now.

We go downstairs, we do our normal kind of playing around. He's normally asking me, daddy, daddy, can we go play in Nintendo? Okay, so we go upstairs. He's still at an age where he can't really feel it. So he sits in my lap and we play and we play. You have another thing yet? We're hearing the control that's not plugged in.

Sorry, thanks for that. He's not even interested in that. He just wants to watch me do. He wants to sit in my lap. He wants to jump the jump. When I get the fire flower, he wants to push the B button and do the fire, the fireballs. That's all he wants to do and just watch, watch me play. But what is so easy, I mean, I could literally, I go, okay, we're going to play for 30 minutes and together and then he's sitting in my lap playing. And then as soon as it's over, it's over. And it's like, okay, that's it. Our last guy, we died, okay, let's go.

Like no qualms about what, so ever. When I would let him play that angry birds game on the iPad, it was, you could see a difference in his behavior, you could see how hard it was to pull him from it, he would wake up asking about it. And I was like, damn, and I'm, dude, we didn't even allow that in for very long. I mean it was like literally like that I saw a difference and it was tough to pull it out then we can get rid of it and then now it's like it

It's huge different. Did you when you guys were kids you guys beat Mario right you guys all beat the game Well now did you beat Mario like everybody beat Mario where you I don't know what it is. I think it's level three You work you warp to the higher level type of yeah I was that master play that would get everything and on in that level I had to gather all the things before I would pass wait wait Did you did you beat Mario by going through every level? Wow did you do that and then I went back and warped I was like oh wait there did you do the the trick where where do you jump on the turtle on the stairs and get the, like, ten of the lives?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Did you cheat a little bit? Well, yeah. I learned that later. That was from Nintendo Power. Yeah. So I'm playing with him right now again for the first time right.

So I'm going through this process. Yeah. And like, I don't remember all those hacks. I know they're there, right? Like, I'm playing with them. And I'm like, there's like a free life somewhere. I think it's, I think it's somewhere, I'm not like squat on some of the two.

No, no, no, no, it's, I think it's level two. There's a two, you go down, and then you jump, I think to the top and run across the top, and then you end up with the warp, yeah. Yeah, that warps you to just like, like seven or something. Yeah, to like that. But I mean, you still gotta go through all the way

through each one of those worlds. But yeah, that one, that's level two, that's the all blue level. It's level two. You break into the bricks at the top, you jump, and then you run. That's what it is. Yeah, so. You're gonna get the extra life first, and then you go. Yeah, I have done that, right?

So I have done that, but you still got to play a lot of the game. You still do, it's the hard. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys remember game genie? Do you guys remember game genie? Yeah, we had game genie. Do you ever use to make up your own codes? I hope you do.

I hope you do. Oh, because you have a whole book of like the codes when you buy it. Yeah. And so it would give you very specific things that would happen like you would turn in, you'd have like the raccoon suit. Yeah, whatever. Right? And so we just start scrambling our own codes in there.

And oh, that's right. You could just make shit up. Yeah. I remember. And we would get like the weirdest glitches and we'd get oh, that's right, you could just make shit up. Yeah, I remember. And we would get like the weirdest glitches and we'd get like, I, once I got like a half like, I think it was like a frog head of Mario and then the rest of it was like normal and then there was like some weird background difference

that was like all like scrambled. It was fun, dude. At the mall, they sold, this was a knockoff Nintendo. I think I might have told you guys about this. It was a knockoff Nintendo, right? So it looks like Nintendo, the original one. And it came with, they advertised like 300 games was already on there.

And it was like made in China. It was definitely bootleg bullshit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And it cost me like 50 bucks. I'm like, oh, this is cool. So I bought it and I brought it home while ago. This is when my older kids were little and we were playing it. And it had all the traditional games on there. Yeah. And then there were games that I'd never heard of. Yeah. And some of the games were adult games. There was

a game called Dickland. I swear to God. And the whole level was made of little penises throughout the whole level and my daughter found it. Oh my God. Oh my God. Look at this. It's about my, oh. Throw it away, dude. Throw it away. I know.

You know, the worst Nintendo invention ever was the body glove. What a, what a, what a, I never tried to work. It was terrible. It was terrible. It was crap. I owned it. I owned all the gimmick, all the toys they had.

It was the first attempt at VR. Did they have any little robot? No, you had to put your whole hands in it. There's a controller on them, all the buttons are on here and it had a cord still going to. The commercial made them sick. Oh, yeah, the commercial made the fanos glums. Made you feel like you were going to be feeling

like it was crap boxing, but it was like nothing. So was the stupid running pad. I know some people liked that, it was dumb. Yeah, nobody ran on everybody's hands, they're good to know. Yeah, yeah, no, it's some of those things. I was so crazy to think where it was and then how, and then I think of how we got introduced to Oculus not that long ago and like how real the boxing is compared,

like go back to body glove, Mike Tyson. Yeah. And compare that to the body. By the way, with the body glove, you had to put these like sensors over your TV But we owned you guys remember the old school TV they existed in the 70s and 80s It was like a brown cabinet look at things. Yeah, it was like more cabinet than it was The TV was big. Yeah, there's like five buttons

Back to box bro. Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's like It looks cool as hell Yeah power glove Big bad box here. There's the body glove right there. It looks cool as hell. I've never tried that before. I can play Never-Knowing. I can play Never-Knowing. Body glove is a surfing company. Yeah. Power glove. Oh my god.

Doug, what video games did you play when you were a kid? They didn't have any. The first one was the first one. I remember when that came out. Yeah. That was later. That came out when we were kids, so that's the hilarious part. It was in late 70s.

Late 70s was Atari. Atari was late 70s, really. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was 78 hilarious. Well, it was late 70s. Late 70s was Atari. Atari was late 70s, really? Yeah, yeah, it was 78, 78ish. Was it even Pong? No, that's not it. Because 70 is Apple 2E was, I remember. No, Atari was, I want to say 81. I think Pong was a late 70.

No, no, no, no, no. Really? I remember it being in the 80s. Look, look, look, look, just don't, look when, when your Pong came up. Yeah, because when did Pong for the house? 1972. No, no, no, for the house. For the house. Yeah, yeah, look, look, just don't look when Beer pong came up. Yeah, cuz when did a pong for the house? No, no, no, for the house Yeah, when did pong just do the Atari?

Atari, Atari something Adam no, no, no, no, no, Atari Atari Atari. Okay, so what do you want just Atari? Oh wow for your home TV 1972 now did just do Atari. Okay. Yeah, just do Atari. Yeah, it's a Atari It was the Atari 26 26 24 hundred yeah 1972 it was founded okay wait the company really rolled out other arcade games in 1977 introduced a tary video computer system wow that's the item I should never count the game one I was one year off he's the gamer he knows oh man they all they used to have the played, my first one was on floppy disk.

So you had the Atari games, but they were played on like a floppy disk. You guys could like, like, from, you guys could, you know expensive video games were back then. We missed our mortgage. Yeah, we had ponies,

ponies in the Atari. That same house, real guy repo. I think. For close time. Do you know how I listen? do you know how to people realize these things were so expensive back then bro We also had a we had a rainbow vac vacuum I told you Like two three thousand dollars Cost more in the whole carpet house

Why do we have carpet mom? I remember some house remember the baller house that had those like projectors, the screen that was like, and then you'd have these huge laser desks before even the E's came out. Yes, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when That was the price back then $189. Okay, hold on a second.

That's expensive. Put $189 in 19th- Adjustment inflation. What is it worth in 2023? Because people need to understand this. Things were so, like the first walkman was like 300 bucks back then. Yeah.

Like, can you imagine playing at paying 300 bucks for a freaking cassette player? The way? That was back to hand. Yeah. That's like $10 million. Yeah. What does it say there, Doug? Yeah, that's fine.

God, 189. I didn't realize it was that expensive. Yeah. That's why you guys could have afforded it. You could great. All right, it was 180. Our mortgage was like 500 bucks. Oh my God.

$1,300. Wow. $1,300. Wow. It didn't even have a game. You had to buy the game1,300. Wow. $1,300. Wow. It didn't even have a game. You had to buy the game separately.

Yeah. Wow. That's pretty crazy. That is crazy. That's a good time. All right, you guys will hear some interesting no more roadblocks as the plan of the long. No, no more roadblocks.

You guys will hear some interesting marriage divorce statistics that I looked up. Oh, it's here. Oh. So I saw the stat and I've heard this before and it's true. I confirmed it. So we'll start with this one, which is whatever. What percentage of divorces are initiated by the wives and what percentage is are initiated

by the husband? 80 by the one. 70, 30. Yeah, Justin's on it. It's like 70, 80. Right? So it's right between their women, 30% or last month. I thought it was 80, 20. Yeah. I've heard statistics that say that. The ones

that are closer, what Justin's saying. So women tend to initiate the divorces. Okay. So, so knowing that, lesbian versus gay marriage. What do you guys think the difference is with the board? Do you think that they have a better or worse, who gay man versus a lesbian versus and then versus Heterore? That's why that's my always got the lowest divorce rate. Who is the lowest man? For sure, men with men. Yeah, for sure. There's there's as close to or slightly lower than Heterore couples lesbian couples divorce it twice twice the rate. Two times the same.

I know a few minutes. Yeah. Yeah. I've been just, every very mentioned, not surprised. Just arguing. Just fights.

It's just fights. All the time fights. Actually, all joking aside, all joking, just fucking remember everything to it. All the time everything to it. Oh my God. No fair fighting.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Recording each actually actually this is terrible. This is this is it apart. I don't know this. They're rate of domesticiving. Yeah. The guys. Guys would be like this. Hey, even as I'm working out, they're still homies. Just I haven't fucking my buddy. My other buddy. No, it's just a bunch of avoidance. That's what I mean. Avoid it. Like, we're still in a, I don't want to argue. Yeah, yeah, it's just a bunch of avoidance. Yeah, that's what I mean avoid it like we're still in a room. You I don't want argue. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to fight. I'm just gonna bang my other buddy.

Just keep doing what you do. No, just be like, we'll just say yeah. Yeah, I'll just forget that you know. We already boxed the house together. We'll just figure it out. No, no. So check this out with domestic abuse. You know, physical abuse is higher in lesbian relationships

as well. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think that goes line with the fighting though, right? It just gets there. I think if there's an, if it's, the fighting is exponentially higher, that would also increase the potential of physical violence too. Ah, maybe. Of course.

I was reading about this. I thought this was very interesting. It's strange. And the speculations range, but one of them was that the society speaking, it's not as obviously not nearly as frowned upon when women hit each other. Men hitting each other, there's a big, big, there's always that, like men know this, like we're big, strong. There's always that like, well, if we start fighting, it's gonna get real, someone's gonna hurt really, really bad. Whereas women have the perception that, you know, they're gonna, it's not, whatever, you know, I'll slap you, slap me. It's like whatever, you're not a guy,

you're not gonna, you know, it's not inappropriate or whatever, but that's terrible. Did you see the guys fighting other guys? Did you see the 49er preseason game that I sent it, I think I sent it to all of us. Did I just send it to you? Yeah, you said you need it. Oh man.

I'll have the YouTube guys like share the clip. This is first of all by the way, too. I mean, if you get in a fight at a sporting event already, you're already an asshole. Yeah. But if you fight, yeah, if you fight in a preseason game, you're a real fucking loser. Like it's, that's like, so, so preseason game of all fighting over the game. I mean, I don't know what I don't know how the fight started, right? But they were both 49er fans. And I blame the Raiders leaving.

And one guy was obviously very drunk, but dude, one dude just, I mean, the drunk guy looks like he's antagonizing somebody or people and some big dude just fucking. He's just home crushed him. I mean, pummel him. I I mean the guy was drunk and you know he was definitely like pestering everybody and like talking shit. So he kind of got what was coming to him. But it's just like you know there's kids right next to him and it's just like

traumatizing that's traumatizing for children. Yeah to see grown men fight. That's a traumatizing thing for me. And the and we got got it. I would hate to do that in front of my kids. Even if I had to. I would feel very bad that my kids saw that side of me. Yeah, I think the only way that I remember one time my dad got out, I never had road rage and pulled out on some dude while I was in the car

and was gonna go fight. Fight, I had my stepfather was like super temper like that. And man, and I remember, I was actually at that age, I might see here, I'm seventh grade or what that, even then I was terrified. Oh yeah, here it is right here. Yeah. See him. That's not even the best, the other video

it was behind him. Yeah. I have the other flip. Andrew, who's playing that? Is that Andrew or Doug? That one was way better. Yeah, wait till I show you the other clip. I have the angle, the guy who's standing right next

to the dude, but he just, I mean, he gets up, watch what he gets up to, he's just, I mean, he's like clean cloth. Watch when he gets up dude, he's just, I mean, he's like, smack. What are some things, obviously, if somebody hits you, or you really feel your life threatened, let's take the family stuff out, because that's obvious. But if you feel really threatened or you get hit,

then it's very likely you're gonna fight. Okay. What would someone, what other things can people do to you that don't know what physically touching you? You couldn't say, you couldn't say, you could say, you could say, step about my mother, my wife, you could say things all you want. What if you got, what's some spin on you?

No, spin. Well, I mean, I, I mean, that's a fly for that. That's a fly on me. Yeah, that's the fourth one of my, you're a lot wiser now. I don't know if that would, I mean, that's, that's physical to me. That's close.

Yeah, that's physical enough. Like, that's, that's chemical warfare. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is, no, at that point, at that point, spinning on me or pushing me or hitting me is all in the same category, right? That's physical to me, right? Like you've touched me. Yeah, you've touched me with your fucking saliva,

which is just as bad. So, yeah, I would say that. Yeah, and most importantly, even more than me, because even me, I think by myself, from the right setting, I don't think I would even, I've been in enough fights and stuff now, though, like I wouldn't even wanna, even fight over that. Like I'd still probably try and turn the cheek.

If I was with my wife or my kid, and I felt afraid for them, or for a time, yeah, if you're pretending to hit me. You don't even have to hit me. You don't even have to hit me. Of course, you make me feel like this could be a threatening situation. Yeah, I'm trying to attack you.

You're trying to anticipate. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't wanna wait to see what happens. Like, to me, I think that is more likely than being by myself, saying shit to me, doing, I mean, I've been in games before where people throw beer at me before and done shit like that. I didn't fight. Who has it?

I mean, that's the, yeah. So, but I mean, that's, I have a really good, I'm so far, I've had a really good fight sense, you know, when you're somewhere and you see what's happening, you're like, let's go, yeah. Something's gonna happen right now. And I've done it a few times, right? It was right.

Oh, I think you can feel that, didn't you? Yeah, it's so air. Oh, I totally think you can feel it. And I feel like you have to, there's a part of you as a male, you wanna watch? Well, no, you wanna be, like that's the truth. I've younger version of me, like you stuck around in that situation because you're an idiot. You know what I'm saying?

You're looking for that. When you get older and wiser, you've been in enough situations like that. I feel that I'm out. Like if I even get a sense of that. You realize everybody loses in that situation. Yeah. And then you get to a place too where I mean when I was a teenage boy and I weighed a buck 80, I'm not going to do that much damage. But I

remember the first time that like that stuff like that's happened where Katrina's made comments of like we're in fear that it was going to escalate. And I'm like, oh, you really were worried in specific. I'm not worried about you. I'm like worried about what you would do. So I'm worried about what would happen to that guy. That would happen. I went to high school with a kid. They got a a normal fist fight, normal fist fight. Hit the other kid, hit his head on the ground.

Right. Got so like really bad injury, like brain damage type stuff. Kid went to jail. He's like that. You know, so it's like, what's the best case scenario you win and go to jail? You know what I mean?

So it's not, nobody wins. Yeah, and you think you would want, I mean, you think that would feel good to win the fight, but if you actually really hurt somebody like really, really bad. You're in trouble. And it wasn't a life-threatening situation. You think, oh my God, I did that because somebody called me

a name or made fun of somebody like, I mean, stupid. Yeah, really not. It takes a lot of confidence to be able to walk. Yeah, and that's the only thing too. When you get older, you've been in around enough, like we talk about like UFC fighters, like I actually admire that so much more. I think that's badass. Like seeing a dude who I know, you know,

just the floor, just walk the fourth guy and see him composed. Totally. In that situation in a way. Yeah. And that's like, okay, that's, to me, that's even that, that shows a whole another level of confidence and bad. That you have the self-discipline to know you would just wipe the floor. Totally. All right, I'm going to change directions because I've done a few openings where I've talked a lot of openings where I talk about the benefits of creatine. And so the messages I've gotten a lot of now because I think we've made the case, right?

Creatine, healthy supplement, pro longevity, obviously good for muscle building, obviously good for recovery, all that stuff. But the question I keep getting is not what time to create team. I think we've now established creating monohydrate, all the other versions, who cares? It doesn't matter. None of them have been shown to be better than good old monohydrate. But the main question I'm getting now is, should I or can I take it with something else to enhance its absorption or how it works in the body.

And the question, the answer is, yes, it's not a huge effect, but yes, there are things you can add to creating that will improve its absorption. One of them is sugar, which I don't recommend. I think that's not worth the, you know, what is that saying? Is that worth the squeeze or whatever? It's not worth the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, some of the companies know this and the vetted. Yeah, but, but the other ones are sodium. And then lastly,

Elkharnitine Tartre. So that's an amino acid, a form of an amino acid, that with Cratein has been shown to be slightly more effective than just plain old Cratein itself. So people are like super into this and really like to maximize and push every little piece of advantage that they could get. Crating with L-carnateen tartrate is a good combination. Take them at the same time.

Is that what Mike's does? Yes, he legions recharge. Is that what it is? It's a powder and it's crateing monohydrate with L alchornitine tartrate that you take. And it what it does is it activates the mTOR pathway and enhances absorption of Cratee and makes it more effective. I mean, for the most part, you would say it's probably splitting hairs, right? It's a small percentage. Yeah, you know, so I'd say,

but I mean, if you're somebody who's like, I'm willing to, if you're into it, yeah, willing to spend a couple extra bucks for something that has got research behind it to support. Yes, so you did you take a post workout because post workout also enhances recovery. Now, here's the other side. Here are the other people that's made benefit.

There are, there is a small percentage of people that are known as creatine non-responders. They seem to supplement with creatine and it doesn't seem to have the effects on them. These are the people I would say, try a post workout, try it with alkharnitine, Tartre, try adding sodium, and then see if that actually makes a difference for you.

What do you think, what's your speculation on somebody who would be a quote unquote non-responder to creatine? Do you think that, like, are they teasing out? The fact that that person could be just getting plenty of creatine through their natural life. It's unlikely they're getting that much creatine from their diet. You have to eat a lot of red meat.

I don't know, that's a good question. I know to eat a lot of red meat. I don't know. It's a good question. I know some people get gastro distress, but I don't think that's what- Yeah, sure. That one is a common one, but that's about it. Yeah, but I don't think what's happening. I don't know.

It's a really good question. Because cratine's naturally found in food. Yeah. So they must, I don't know. It's a really, really good question. Yeah, I would love to see some research around the people specifically that have been considered, and see what they have in common. Maybe Doug, you could Google right now while we're talking, why are some people non-responders

to creating and see what comes up. But I don't know, because it's a naturally occurring compound that you get in food, primarily animal meat. This can't be related to that deer tick that is going on. People are getting like a layer of your mouth. It's a red meat deer tick. There's a disease that's spread by ticks. No, I've heard this.

This is true. Wait a second, isn't this Alex Jones this deer on how he can come alert to things that they're weaponizing it, right? He's always the alarmist and that's the thing. Oh, it's a real thing. Real quick, back to the creatine. It says in this article that some people are slow

twitch muscle fiber dominant and they store less creatine the fast twitch muscle fiber. Oh, interesting. So they're not going to get a lot of the benefits of the extra creatine. Although I'll argue, their organs, brain, and the rest of the body still will. So they probably should still take creatine.

But anyway, back to the deer tick, that's real. There's a tick that literally has a disease that they can give you that makes you a lurgic to red meat. And there have been people who have speculated or said that this will be an effective way to lower carbon emissions by getting everybody to be allergic to red meat. Oh my God.

Then they can't eat it anymore. Oh No, where's it? Where is it right now? Where is it spreading right now? Where are we seeing the cases at? Yeah, you're looking at it Adjust them or you're just Take my way. I'm gonna booty picture The one that you said the other so am I growing? Thank you Great, do we know yeah? Do we know where these these these cases are popping up? Mike Rowan? Thank you. Mike Luke's great. We're doing a good thrust. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, great. Do we know where these cases are popping up? And is this like three people that we're talking about right now?

Or is that? I believe it's in Southern states, but apparently it's moving north. Nice. Yeah, lovely. Okay, so if it's in Southern states plural and it's moving out, this has to mean there's like several cases. This is not like just a handful of people.

Yeah. Oh wow. Oh no, That's not I Cool. Can I just tell you how mad I would be? Does that happen to me? Bro, that would be I mean, I'm already mad There are results, you know, I can't eat right now. That would be like that would a draw for me. It's like just give up Just that had to become a vegan He'd be so sad to see me here. Well go. If we switch over to VVV,

one of us should be here. It's called the Loan Star Tick. That's what it is. Loan's got a little... Obviously, Texas, no reference, right? Wow. What has one little spot on the back of the city? Can you get a look up from me

like how many people are getting... How many people are allergic to red meat from ticks? You know that I said the word tick and my youngest said, tit, he said tit. Yeah, he's all tits. No, I said, go tell your mom. I love it.

I still get back to say partially. I'll take it all over me. It's still sesame. Yeah, yeah, I'll show you some value. I'll tell you that. Anytime I have an opportunity to. Many as 450,000 people. Whoa.

Yes. 450,000 people. I know Yes. 450,000 people. I know. It learned you to read meat. Way more than I was. Yes. Yeah, I was waiting for never like five. Are you sure about that?

I mean, Google says it. So we have to believe it. That's Googler. So let's see. Is it my Google skills? It's fine. All right. Wow.

A CDC report suggests as many as 450,000 people in the US may have an unusual food allergy caused by the lone star tick. Bro, that's a lot of people. It's called AlphaGal syndrome. Oh, what a fuck up name too. Oh, you're an AlphaGal? 450,000 people is a lot of people.

That is. That sucks. And is this like, okay, so that's July 31st,000, 50,000 people is a lot of people. That is. That sucks. And is this like, okay, so that's July 31st, 2023, where you just, you shared that. I have some stats to add to this. Yeah, let's hear it. It's here. It's considered that the stat is significantly underestimated

because four out of five healthcare providers had little or no knowledge of the condition. And only five, only 5% of the providers feel, actually feel confident and be able to diagnose it So it's but it's more than that What yeah now this is as this like recently just came out of nowhere Or has this been around forever and we just didn't know it and that's a common well I think too there was somebody that was talking about this on a panel that was kind of relating it towards like

Climate change and so they're their whole it was gross because they're starting to try to like a panel that was kind of relating it towards like climate change. And so their whole, it was gross because they're starting to try to like talk in the direction of, well, we can help lower emissions by eating less meat. And also, there's this tick that we found and has this enzyme that people makes people allergic to the red meat. So this might help to decline the numbers of people eating red meat. And I was like, that's how it's positioned. Yeah, that's the video. Oh wow, it first

report in 2002, see, it's new dude. Yeah, and so the conspiracy theories that this is an engineered disease that was put into ticks to reduce our maybe it was naturally found but it's still like it's something that's getting you weapon hunting. What if cows invented it? So tough. So tough. I don't know. Too sober to have this kind of picture right now. Making a real thing.

I know. Are you serious right now? I feel like I seriously, I have to have, I have to get a 10 foil hat now. Is that annoying? It's just too many things. Too many things to count for. I know Adams getting a little weird to be able to do it. Yeah, I said to over the Taylor Swift.

What was the one you said to leader? The leader of the state group fit. You did not have to play the game very well. Yeah, you and Tim, you and Foul Tin Phil, man. You said you screwed these. Adam said this a clip of a state leader. Of a like a state leader from the 1970s. Yeah, it looks like Dan Smith, like.

It's identical to her. Whatever happened to her. Yeah, little bits. And now she's having these sayances and a little contrast. Is it really something that looked like her? It's like, come on, dude. That's a crazy, oh.

Hey, did I, did I, did I, have you guys heard about, do you guys hear about that Instagram model that died with that challenge? Did you hear her say about this? What was the challenge? This was a while ago, but apparently there's like a anniversary of it and the people, her family, you know, talks about it.

Anyway, the challenge was to stick your head and body out the car and go topless and then you film it for social media, you black out your boobs and you post it. Anyway, she did this, hit a light pole. Yeah, and died. That's horrible. I know. These challenges, I saw this clip of these kids. did this, hit a light pole. Yeah, and died. That's horrible.

I know. These challenges, I saw this clip of these, he's, wow, did you go too far right there? She went viral. She was too hard. Too, too hard, just as long. It's a joke. It was a while ago, so it's okay.

It's okay, it's past that time. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not. Right, I think we're fine. There is this like a generation, I'm like so disknit, you guys have younger kids, so maybe you guys are like better connected to it. The challenges. Yeah.

And there's like, like huge movements of like kids, like literally just running around, doing things with their phone for TikTok. Like that's all, I know. That's all they do is go around. Well, we were kids, we did stupid challenges too. And they went viral on their own. Like who the hell,

yeah, you guys spreading it. it was all just word mouth. It was all word of mouth, like the Chokey West self out challenge, that was a big one. That's the only one I remember actually. Do you guys remember? Gowlin milk challenge, I mean it was pretty lame. Oh, that's right.

You know, back then it would take years for something like that to make, to like probably. Like, oh yeah, like those things with last generations. Yeah, like the tie-pod challenge lasts like a month, same like enough for enough dumb people to get sick from it. And then it stops. And then they move them. So maybe there's a positive.

So that's the silver lining in this is that there's probably just as many stupid challenges, maybe more, but they last way shorter. Because it only takes a handful of people to die from these dumb challenges. And everybody off boom. All right. We got a shout out for today's episode. Okay. I got one. we got a shout out for today's episode. Okay, I got one. I got a shout out.

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Our first caller is Tony from Minnesota. Tony, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. Yeah, I'll just jump in and come up right into my question here. So my strength, read dramatically, outweighs my strength, stamina. I already knew this for years, but right now running Maths PowerLift, it's kind of highlighting it even more. So I was

looking at like calculators within the program, and my one-wrap max is way off of like my calculated weight-wrap max. So in short, like my strength is pretty good with my stamina subs. And when I train for stamina, I always feel like I'm over-craning. And so this is from like my own experience, but also from running like anabolic advanced, et cetera. So I always feel like I've responded really well. It's like a wonderful rep range. And even sometimes going past like eight reps, even feels like it's kind of strange to

me or just still that feel good, I guess. So my question is like, am I just like genetically thrown towards more gains from like a lower rep range? And am I overdoing it like doing those higher reps? I just like genetically thrown towards more gains from like a lower rep range. And I'm, and my overdoing it, like doing those higher reps, even though I do see some results when I do it, again, I just don't feel good when I do it. Yes, yes.

So, sure. So yeah, just put a little bit of background on them. I've been lifting heavy for like 10 plus years, so since I was like 13, so like football and for rugby. And I always lifted heavy like due to the demands of my positions. And I've always like, and I always lifted heavy due to the demands of my positions. I've always lifted this way.

It's my default. I always see tremendous results and I always feel better when I come back to that low rep range. You did a rugby, so you got good endurance. It's a muscle stamina, you're talking about right? Yeah, yeah. So like, again, flagnet, anabolic advanced, pushing to the 16 plus, 16- Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, stand. So like, again, like, antibiotic bands, like pushing to like the 16 plus like 16 ish rep range, even like 12 to 20 within there. Like I usually, there's a

little feel good for me, I guess. Yeah. So this will help you out a lot. So yes, you may be genetically prone. Dude, enough. Yeah. Well, you also may be genetically prone. You've trained like this for 10 years, muscle fibers actually start to change a little bit. So, you know, generally speaking, you hear about fast twitch muscle fibers, slow twitch muscle fibers, but there's fast twitch muscle fibers that can actually switch and act more like slow twitch and then others that can act more like fast twitch. And then the genetic predispositions, I'm like you, one rep max calculators.

If I base it off of what I did for 10 reps, it's always way off. Oh, yeah, it's way off. Yeah, I could always lift a lot more. So I also have a genetic propensity for that. So that's yes, but here's the other part about high reps. Volume is sets times weight times reps. So to give you an example, let's say you did a bench press

and you did a set of 300 pounds for two reps. Okay, so that's a lot of weight for two reps. Then let's say you did a set with 100 pounds for 10 reps. And you think all 100 pounds for 10 reps, okay? So that's a lot of weight for two reps. Then let's say you did a set with 100 pounds for 10 reps and you think all 100 pounds for 10 reps, that's no problem. You actually did more volume if you do the math, 10 times 100 is a thousand, 300 times two is 600. So higher reps, if you keep all the sets the same

and everything else, the volume tends to be much higher. So what's probably happening is you're probably doing too much. So either lower the weight down and go easier, or what I do is I lower the volume. I end up doing less sets when my reps are higher and I feel better, because I did the exact same thing as you.

I'd go to higher reps and I would look at the total sets as the volume, be like, I'm doing the same sets, but my God, I feel like I'm just wasted and so I had to lower the volume and match it or get close to what I did before and I was totally fine Don't lie you haven't done over 10 It's 1997. You gotta scale it way down that one time Yeah, I mean I again I can identify it with this too and and so I don't know I guess I don't, I don't really lean too much on the genetic propensity

towards a lot of that. And when you can, in fact, kind of alter that a bit, by the way, you train and staying in that focused adaptation for an adequate amount of time for your body to actually respond better to that. I know for me personally, it's just like, I'll avoid it. So, me going back to it, it sucks, and I'll suffer my way through that style of training. But to like fast twitch

movements, like, so rugby, you got a lot of fast switch movements, you got your sprinting constantly, so you can sprint for a good amount of time. So you're like, your work capacities up there. Like you have the ability there. I think it's more just the amount of time you've placed in that direction in terms of those types of lifts for that many reps. Yeah, that's the silver lining here is, this is where the gains are, bro. I mean, that's the silver lining in this

is that opportunity for change. It's hard, you suck at it. We all have something like that in our training. There's things that we already gravitate towards, but where the most gains lie are the things that you're not good at or you don't like doing. And so, I mean, my suggestion would be to lean into that. Lean into it, stick with it for a while,

don't bail on it, like after just doing it a few weeks. If you feel over-trained and like, you don't feel good, cut the sets. So typically, what I'll do, when I bump the reps, is instead of doing three sets, I'll do one or two. And then that typically, for me, makes up the difference. But Adam's right, this is the gains. If you train like this for like four weeks

and you get the right amount of volume, that's gonna be the key, you'll build muscle. You'll actually see some serious muscle gains. I'm gonna go back to your low- low rep training, it'll be fun. Yeah, so when I was running an antibiotic in advance, I know there's like the optional sets within there But I was peeling back even from the not option this stuff to And I still felt like I was maybe overpunching it a couple of times I had to implement I had to for sure for those the old weeks in there But I still saw some pretty good results from it and And then again, switch them back to Power Lift.

I'm like seeing really good results right now. And I just feel better with this. So yeah, it's probably a volume thing. Yep. So when you talk about feeling over-trained, is it in the workout you feel over-trained or is it like afterwards that you feel over-trained? What are your symptoms?

Yeah, it'd be a little bit of both. So sometimes there'd be days I show up to the workout and I'm like, just drag and ask pretty much. But then sometimes too, I would notice if that repeated itself, sleep quality would kind of drop daily energy, it was probably my biggest one. I would just feel like the farther it threw out the day. Sure. Yeah, so then you were doing too much.

I would cut the volume even more. Cool. Cool. So then yeah, it sounds like what you're rooting to like the silver lining then. I'm probably leaving a bunch of a bunch of results on the table. If I'm not leaning necessarily too much into to that higher range. Or sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. We'll seek it out. Yes. For sure. So then my other kind of like side question with that is like I'm guessing if there's like results been left on the table there you got to talk about like the granite versus like the bubbly look I feel like I have more of that granite look you think I'm gonna get some more of that leaning in that direction You're gonna get a lot of hypertrophy. Yeah, you'll get more of the bubble right? I bet you'll build like like if you do this right

You're gonna build like big like serious muscle is what's gonna happen For sure so long as you feed this right, you're gonna build like serious muscle. It's what's gonna happen. For sure. Someone as you feed yourself right too. Right, yeah, and that's the big thing that for years I was under-eating and then obviously if you think like listen to your guy show it, I had to get over that mental hurdle, but for years I was under-eating and then for the last like six months I've been like in an act doable

and it's like the first strength hands I've seen in years and it's been for Kanoas and obviously. How old are you? Yeah, I'm 23. What are your lifts? What's your squat dead avenge? Yeah, so right now, so yeah, I'm like nice squat max calculated is like I think it's like 350 or 340, but my what I squatted last week I hit 3885 for 2. And then my deadlift is pretty much the same calculated on my I called 425 for 2. So I know those are kind of close and work on my deadlift. And then my bench is like I think last week I hit who 65 for 2. Yeah. So you're strong dude. You're great numbers. The best part is you're going to get a lot

stronger. You're so young. You see you got another 10 years of strength gains, to be honest with you. Yeah, that's good to hear. Because when I was in high school, I was lifting kind of like an ox. And I was a lot bigger. I played like mine. And so I was lifting a little bit more weight, then.

And I was in like this constant battle trying to get back to that. But when you guys advice throughout the years, it's been helping out a ton of that. Awesome. Yeah, no, awesome brother. Yeah, thanks for calling in, man. Yeah, for sure.

You guys mind if I just add one more little piece, so I want to go for it. Yeah, yeah. The obligatory thank you as always, but I wanted to throw this in, because you guys have literally changed my life for background, for a little bit of context. I went to school to be an engineer,

and because all of the health and fitness, exercise, whatever has always been my passion, I never thought I could make a living out of doing it, but I kid you not on my first week, on my commute to work, on my first week of my engineering job. I was listening to you guys for usual, and then a girl came on her show,

and she said that she had left her engineering job after several years, and she was never looking back. And even just from listening to it then, I knew in my gut that I would end up being me and I just didn't know when. So for the longest time, I considered NCI and jumping on board with them and after like long story short, after tons of investment in them, I actually left my job in April. So now I'm a full-time coach and I've literally a lot of different things to do. I've got a lot of different things to do. I've got a lot of different things to do. I've got a lot of different things to do.

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I've got a lot of different things to do. I've got content is obviously best in the industry. And everything's sent to me, guys. So I'll thank, or I'll pass on my clients' thanks to you because there are a lot of there results are coming from you guys too. So appreciate it. You guys have literally changed my life. So that's great, man. I appreciate you saying that.

Thank you so much, brother. 100%. Thanks, guys. Thank you, easy. I was gonna say, crap, you went from making good money to crap money, but you're with NCI, so I'm gonna teach him how to build his business, so I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

You know, I was gonna say to him, I mean, because I know there is genetic propensities, right? But it's either. I mean, you could be bad at all. All rep ranges like Adam, which is like, it's just, I just don't like the lean on that, is my point. Yeah, I just can't.

Then you're just super handsome. Yeah, that's it. Give me an out-and-a-half excuse. Get excuse to have it all God was like sex appeal tall. You only have so much to sprinkle yeah, reparate just that very good. That's very good in the gym. Looks like it. No, that was that was a good call. Our next color Steve from England. Steve, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, guys, just want to say first of all, I started personal training in January.

I started doing my qualifications last May, found your podcast at the same time, and spammed about the first 400 episodes up until I finished my qualification and started and pretty much changed how I thought I was going to train. All the information I pretty much give my clients is pretty much what I hear on this podcast. So I just want to say thank you because it's been a massive help, the information, not just about training, but how to pick up clients as well. So thank you for all the information, first of all, that you do for the personal trainers

among is that listen to this, because it's really, really great information. But, um, Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Right on. Oh, just in your also my favorite favorite by the way. Oh, yes. Take that. Screw you, Steve. Screw you. You're breaking up now. I can't hear you.

We'll have Justin answer your question. Let's go out of it. Turn the volume up, Doug. Go ahead. My main question is regarding one of my clients that I've kind of been struggling with. They suffer a lot with gym anxiety. They come in, we have a great session, but then a couple of days after, because we're only having like one session a week, a couple of days after, I'll get a text message, like them saying that they want to quit. I want to give up. And I'll have to try and talk them around, talk them out of it, talk them into coming in again next week. They come in the following week. We have a great session.

They absolutely love the session and say, yep, this is great. This is what I want to do. But then a couple of days later, I'll get a pretty much a similar message. And it keeps going on that sort of cycle. And I never would be able to try and really crack down on to why they keep, you know, as soon as they're away from me, and I don't really have that one-to-one communication with them, they seem to really then struggle and want to just give

up and just quit. And a lot of it is that sort of anxiety. And so my question is, how would you guys, like, if you had a client that was like that, what would your response be? I had a few clients like that. Yeah. No, I think this is actually pretty common. A couple things. One, when someone sets them on a tab, one of the worst things that we could do as coaches and trainers is to right away default to the motivation, hype thing, and challenge how they're feeling, right? Like, no, you stay with it. And that's the natural thing to want to do. Instead,

I'm going to ask more questions. Why do you feel that way? What's going on? And I want to unpack like what is making them feel discouraged because that's normally why they're giving up. They're discouraged about something. And I need to get to the bottom of what is making them feel discouraged. And then I want to figure out whatever that is and then encouraging that, hey, listen, it's okay. We're on the right path. We're making the right steps in the right direction. So moving in that direction versus again, just trying to be the high, no, you got this. You don't want to just right away,

they say they're not motivated and they go right into, like I'm trying to motivate them. Instead, find out why they're feeling this way. What is it? What happened today? What's going on with you? What's happened the last few days? Why do you feel discouraged?

And then making them feel normal. Oh, that's totally normal. Most of my clients, when they first start, they feel this, they think this, they notice that. Don't worry, it's good to validate them. Yeah, exactly. You want to validate why they feel that way, not try and overcome it and just be like,

oh, try to hype them, right? That's a mistake they make. What's the reason that they tell you that they're anxious, have they said that to you? Um, it's, yeah, the, I think it's just like a multitude of things. So they come in, obviously they come in to a gym where there's a lot of people that's been training there for years.

So those sort of people are just coming in, they're jumping on machines, they're not really giving it a second thought. And so they've got that kind of anxiety of what's everybody else thinking about me when I'm doing something, which is, well, nothing because they're so focused on what they're doing, majority of the time, they're not thinking about what you're doing at all. And so I've tried to really stress that to them. But there's kind of that, there's, yeah, I think it's just the really that lack of self-confidence in themselves to that however many sessions that we've had and

have reassured them that on the exercises that are in their program that they've got great form and doing really well with them. But it's just that all of a sudden when I'm not there, there's questioning themselves constantly. And then it's really weird as well because like the reason is for quitting is, oh, your clients need your time more than like I do. And it's it's, you know, they need, they need me in our stress. No, like I want to help you. I want to spend my time helping you. But yeah, it's like, I'll know you, you know, don't bother with me. I'm not worth it. Sort of, you know, there's other people that need you. I got something for you, Steve. I got something for you. I had a client just like that. All right, so a couple of things. As a trainer, first off, you said that you were thinking

that's for information. You're the one making the difference. That's why we talked to trainers. We could give all the information to the world, but we're not affecting people like you are. That's just hands down, okay. Number two, the trainer's job is to train a client well, but also provide a good experience for the client. And how do you create a good experience? You wanna know what they're looking for,

what their struggles are. So I had a client once that the gym was too stimulating, too loud. So what I did is I always set aside a quiet part of the gym to do our workout where we would just us, a pair of dumbbells, it was a little darker, a little quieter. So that's part of it.

Here's another thing that you could do that's really helpful. Because of the other members in the gym or staff Before they show up You could go to some of your regulars or staff that you know and say hey Susan's about to come in. She's always very anxious She feels like people are watching her when she comes in if you could when you notice She's doing something right maybe halfway through the workout come over and give her a positive comment because then she's going to feel like, wow, these people kind of know me and then they'll develop a relationship and that's what's going to keep

them coming to the gym. Lastly, you were talking about just how they said to you, you need the time to help other people. This might sound counter-attuitive, but this is a big one. Ask this client for a favor, or ask this client information that'll benefit you. Now, you're gonna think, well, how does this help? It's gonna make them feel valuable. Right now, it sounds like they feel like they're a burden. It's probably what they're feeling like.

So, I had clients like this as well, and then when they would come in, one person that I trained was a professor. She felt very insecure and she would make comments like that, oh, I must be your worst client. I'm taking up a lot of your time or whatever. So when they came in, I would ask them questions about their profession, things that I was actually interested in. And then I would say something like, man, I learned a lot from training. I really enjoy asking you questions. I hope that's in. And then I would say something like, man, I learned a lot from training you. I really enjoy asking you questions. I hope that's okay.

And then what it does, it gives the person, makes them feel valuable. Like, oh, I, I, you know, Steve asking me stuff and I'm giving him stuff in return, not just my money for the session. And then of course, express this. Don't say, I want to help you because that can strengthen the feeling of being a burden.

It's more like this. I really enjoy hanging out with you. I really love being around you and training you. This is fun for me. So it's more like I like doing this for something for me. Not I like doing this for something for you. So when someone feels like they're a burden, what they don't want to hear is, oh, I love beat you that you're a burden. What they want to hear is more like, well, how is this benefiting you? Why are you coming to see me besides the fact that you're, you know, altruistic, anyone help me, which just makes me feel worse. So ask them for favors, ask them questions, comment on how much value they bring you, and that will help them feel more

more valuable and less like a burden. I have one more to add to that too, Steve. Are you, uh, I guess what somewhere between 15 and 30 clients you're probably managing? Is that how many you have? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been doing so not quite that many clients, but I'm between not in sessions all over the week. So even easier than what I'm going to say. This is what's so cool about the era we live in with text message. Sitting a message that says, hey, thinking about you right now, how you, what you doing? What are you up to? Like a small message daily? Like I used to carve out just a block of my time of day and I would literally just hit them all with a message. And of course the more personalized you can make it, you know your clients better than anybody, so you know the things they're into, you know the goals, you know the things

that they're challenged with. So just doing that shows that you care outside the one hour they're paying you for your time. And so that adds a lot of value with a little bit of effort and time on your part. And a lot of times that's just all this person needed was to know that you care and your pain attention and you're watching, which was like, damn, I was, and I don't, I can't tell you how many times I caught a client like, man, I was just about to go do this. And because you text me like, I'm out. Now I'm gonna go watching me. I'm gonna go do my walk or whatever like that. Or they feel like, um, so you text me and I just made a decision to do this instead of that. I'm so, and I'm gonna go do my walk or whatever like that. Or they feel like, oh, I'm so, you text me and I just made a decision to do this instead of that.

I'm so, and I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Just thinking about you. So that's such a small little thing that you can do that adds tremendous value to your coaching. Awesome, thank you. I do, if it's all right, just have one, add one quick question just about me,

just because with time, I never thought I would struggle with this, working in a gym constantly, but like my own workouts. So I'm probably down to maximum of an hour, about three workouts a week that I'm kind of being able to squeeze in, which is fine because I'm hitting full body in all of those three workouts.

But is there, if you could only hit, I could say you had maybe an hour and a half, three times a week, is there, would you stick to full body or would you do something else for yourselves? 100% Yeah, maps down a ball, favorite host, what do you have to say about that?

Yeah, 100% in a ball. I mean, we have it all laid out there for you. I mean, that's pretty much the protocol. It's optimal even, you know, three times a week to do full body and then be able to recover in between. So you'd be perfect with that. Yeah, and if you have other things you want to work on, you can modify your trainer.

So you know how to modify the routine if it's more mobility or whatever. And then on your days off, you know, you're probably walking a lot because you're in the gym. I remember how many steps I took when I was training clients. So your activity levels were probably great. Between that, I am doing, because obviously you guys recommended it right

from the start, the trigger sessions. So I do get trigger sessions in between that, as often as I can as well. You're doing good, bro. Yeah, you're great, brother. You're doing good. Now that's great, perfect. Thank you very much, guys. You're fine. Yeah, you're doing good, brother. You're doing good. No, that's great. Perfect. Thank you very much, guys.

You got hold on real quick. You're a trainer. Do you have MAPS Prime Pro? Yes. No, no. Oh, Adam, relax. We're sending you to you right now. He's new.

Yeah. We're going to send to you right now. That'll help you. Yeah. Thank you very much, guys. That's awesome. Thank you very much. You got to see you.

Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. You know, that's awesome. Thank you very much. You got to see you. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. You know, that was a big one for me was, I don't remember who told me that, but they said, I asked another client in a mine. And I said, God, I have this client that's, you know, I get a challenge with because they're so, I feel like they feel like they were burning or whatever. They're like, ask them for a favor. Like, what?

It'll make them feel like valuable and I did. And I started asking, it was fun for me because I love asking questions. And then this person was so confident coming in because they felt like they offered me something in return which was cool. Yeah, you said that and it was like, I could just piggyback on that.

But that's like the, that's exactly where I was thinking because I had to learn the hard way of just like, that person, I thought that I just needed to keep giving them positive affirmation. All the time, positive, positive, positive. And it was just like so training, you know, as a trainer to just constantly try to pump somebody up that kind of doom and gloom and coming in

and thinking they're burden and everything. But really, yeah, to be able to acknowledge like their strengths and then like, strengths and then pull that out of them more and get them actively using that and helping one of my other clients. Or, like you said, pulling that information out for me personally, I learned to do that as well. Well, someone that struggles with that, they struggle with value and purpose. You give that to them.

It's a lot like the advice that Arthur Brooks gave you when you gave money to the bum. 100%. It's like, care, you're giving money to that person. I know it's not politically. It's a bum. She's living this world, right? What is the fucking struggling person homeless? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Struckling homeless person.

Right. Fucking guy. So that advice to have him pray for you or do something for you, gives that person. Have you guys done that by the way? Yes. I have no idea. I've done that.

I gave money to, I gave money to this guy who was sitting there and he had a dog with him. So I was like, oh man. And I said, hey, can you do me a favor? You know, I don't remember what it was. My kids do this thing. Can you pray for me?

And his face lit up. And I was like, oh God, that was great. Yeah, it really worked. The other one thing is the text thing, dude. That has been such a, yeah, of course. When that came, like become a popular thing where everybody has has text message,

I was, you know, towards the end of my career, what that was like a game change. You know, before text, I actually had a trainer. I never did this, I took too much work and I don't wanna do it. But I had a trainer, it used to write short notes or postcards and we'd send it to random clients. And it was like huge returns on how the client felt. We taught that in the gym for sales guys.

If someone walked and they didn't buy, they'd have a stack and you already had it stamped and it ready to go so you just run to the note. And it was such a powerful thing. And so it goes a long way with people. Yeah, if you're training command, 15 clients are less, especially, I mean, that's literally takes literally 15, 20 minutes

out of your day. Not even. To do that, to send to all of them. And, you know, if you literally do that every other day with, you know, half your group, you'd be surprised how far just them knowing that you care outside, they expect you to care in that hour. They pay you, right?

The rest is just delivering more than they expect. Yeah. And so coming over the top like that. Our next caller is Marina from Kentucky. Marina, how can we help you? Hi, I just like to start off and say I'm really nervous. So hopefully I can articulate my point. And just to thank you because I've listened to you

through so many huge milestones of my life, meeting my boyfriend, getting married, going through college, and graduating, and actually things to you, I was able to start my own business, helping people in rural Kentucky, just making fitness and health information more accessible to them. So thank you. Awesome. Cool.

How can we help you? Yeah. So, my question was inspired from your muscle mommy episode. I am an inspiring muscle mommy and I just I want to know how to get past. I feel like I'm at a plateau and I feel like I have a good lean tone physique that a lot of women want but I really want to be bulky in my upper body and it's been a great selling point to my clients telling them that, look, just by lifting heavy, you're not going to get bulky, but I really want to get bulky. And I've gone on bulk in the past.

This past winter, I was pushing over 3,000 calories. Yeah, and that was a lot. I squat 300 pounds. I deadlift 315 and I bench 155. So I've been focusing on my compound lifts. I've religiously eaten one pound of protein program, uh, one gram of protein for pound of body weight and I take creatine every day. And yeah, I guess I'm just kind of stuck at the point. I don't know whether I should continue to bulk up or if I should try and lean out and see more muscle definition. The end body tells me I'm about 17 and a half percent body fat. So I don't know if that's accurate, but I just feel like I'm not at the physique I want.

And I feel stuck. All right, you need to be, you need to take it easy on yourself. Wow. Okay, let's just, let's just let's just Right do the run down here. Let's do the run down here. You're 23. Yeah, you need to you're obviously fit. Okay You can bench 155 pounds squat 300 and deadlift 315 you are a muscle maybe you're not a mommy, but you are in that category Of a muscle person in your comment not a mummy, but you are in that category of a muscle person. In your comment, in your email, you said, you want to be able to walk down the street and people think, wow, she hits the gym.

I guarantee you people think. Yeah, yeah, they do already. Yeah. Now, here's the positive. You're 23. Your max muscle and strength peak, you haven't even hit yet. I know everybody talks about like, you know, early 20s and this and that,

no, no, when people lift weights and they're trying to get muscle and get stronger, most people hit their peak through consistent training right around mid 30s. You got more muscle, you can, and you're already crushing. I mean, Doug's pulling up your pictures. You're back to know. Yeah, you're killing it.

Yeah, so I, I think you're being really hard on yourself, but you want some advice. All right, here you go. If, you know, I think bulking is fine. I think cutting is fine for you too, because your calories are so high. So you could go on a cut just to have some fun. Get yourself down to 15, 14% body fat.

That'll be kind of cool. Take it slow. Then go back on a bulk. Honestly, your best bet is gonna be to alternate between bulking and cutting, but if your ultimate goal is to build muscle mass, I would spend about two thirds of the time in a bulk and about one third of the time in a cut.

And that's gonna get you a nice, even muscle, you know, minimal body fat gain over time. But God, you're, you're killing one of the, one of the hardest or worst parts about getting as strong and as fit as you already are, is that expectation of it's gonna keep going this way. Like you, you have reached a, a physique at this point and strength level at this point,

this young in your life. I don't know a lot of women that can deadlift three hundred. I don't know. I mean, I know people that have been lifting their whole life that it won't hit some of these numbers, won't look like you look like. So you have to know that and the gains that you probably saw in the last say three years, that's not going to happen anymore. It's you're just not going to see those types of it.

So I think you're going to, where you're going to be, have to be at. And we've talked about this on the show is it gets really important to start to focus on different goals. So I don't want to tell you what your goal needs to be. I don't want to tell you you can't get a bulkier, build more of an upper body to each their own. But for keeping yourself happy and sane, I think it's a good exercise to venture out into other goals. And it doesn't mean you can't revisit that goal, but if you stay so focused on that goal of time and you're going to get frustrated because you're not, you're just not, I don't see your squat going up to 350 or 400 pounds anytime soon.

I don't see you getting, you know, adding even that much more muscle to your upper body. I mean, you're in really, I'm, we'll definitely post your photos so the audience can see what we're talking about. Like, you're in, you're an incredible shape and you're in unbelievably strong already. And so it can be discouraging to be just focused on that all the time. So that's, that's my, yeah, I definitely think shifts in the goal, but still making it, it's something obviously strength related will benefit the overall whole.

The byproduct will be your body will change and shift in a little bit of different direction. Most of the time is desirable. I think too, like in terms of like getting people's attention and whatnot, I know you guys have mentioned this multiple times when you lean out a bit more and your muscles are defined a bit more. It definitely stands out.

Even just going through that process of leaning out a bit, coming back and building muscle again, I think you're going to get a lot of what you're seeking. You're in a healthy place to do all of it. How long have you been lifting consistently? Probably three and a half years. Well, I started with CrossFit and long endurance running and then I listened to why women should bulk and I was like, okay, well, I'm not doing the right thing. So I stopped doing CrossFit

and I started following like a progressive overload strength training. So. Jesus Christ. So in three years, you went for, you went, these are your lifts. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, I think you'll get close to 400 pounds with your squat.

It's going to take some time. You're already. But you're going to get diminishing, I'm going to tell you this though, you're going to start to get diminishing returns because you're so strong that now you're flirting with, is it worth it to add 50 pounds to these lifts? That's why I recommend going in a different direction. Are you following any of our programs? Yeah, I'm doing maps strong right now.

And I'm hoping to do, well, I was gonna do anabolic again and then after that, I was gonna do maps power lift. Have you done symmetry? Yeah. Not yet. Okay, here's what I want you to do. I want you to do maps symmetry

and then I want you to do maps and a ball of advanced. I think those are the programs. I've done maps and a ball of advanced. I loved it. Do you have a kidney? No way. I would like to see your old time. Old time. Oh, thank you. Yeah.

That's right. That's a new program. The fact that she's already strong as fuck and this it'll be very completely out of mind. I'm out of bodies. Yo different. So different. We're going to send you our new program. By the way, I love the fact that you knew to gravitate towards strong

anyways, because I would have went that would have been another recommendation. So the fact that you're doing map strong, I think that's got a lot of unique movements. Probably you're not used to in there. So that's great for you. Old timing strength is going to be even more unique. Yeah, that's that's great. And I selflessly just want to see what you could do. Yeah, yeah, this is competition part. I'd love to see you in there. Hey, you know, there's one thing you missed. You didn't you didn't tell us. Doug squirrel down here. You you had a eating disorder before you started all this training? I did. Yeah.

That was part of my long endurance cardio. And that's actually the reason I became a personal trainer is because I was so miserable. I was trying to lose as much weight as possible. I was trying to just be the smallest version of myself working out like three hours a day. And again, like I started listening to you and you guys really saved my life and That's part of the reason I went into personal training is that so I can save other women from that You are a tremendous success story. Yeah, that's incredible. Especially at your age. You're doing a great job Maps old-time strength follow it. You're gonna love the program

And I think when you go back to especially your deadlift will probably go up as a result who get even stronger for sure. Yeah. I do have one more question if you have time. We do. Fire away. What are the odds that a woman can bench 225 pounds because that's my big, big goal. But I feel like it was so hard for me. My legs are so strong but my upper body has always been a huge challenge and it was a struggle for me to hit a plate. And I just feel like my body's kind of talking to me at 155. Like sometimes I feel it in my owner nerve. And I don't know, is it real? Is it a realistic goal for a woman to shoot for 225? First of all, benching 155 pounds at your body weight weight is insane Marina was hard for me to get to a plate Yeah, so 225

very very few women can bench two plates and and way what you went That's a super sure any woman that's been sent over to 25. Yeah, now now 30 plus someone as strong as you in such a short pair of time I would say your odds are much higher than the average person. You obviously have some genetic gifts along with the fact that you're consistent with your training. But to bench that much, you're gonna have to go straight, dedicated, powerlifting style training, but I'm gonna tell you something right now, Marina,

you're not gonna feel as good as you do now, trying to push something like that. So you're talking about your older nerve and joint stuff, you're gonna sacrifice a lot of joint health and stuff, chasing that. Maybe you should, for shits and giggles though, just go to a powerlifting meet and put yourself in because I bet you you fucking win.

I think you'll do, especially with your deadlifts as well. I think you would already probably win. Those numbers, I think. Tested drug tested, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think you already would be in the upper, you know, top, top 5% tile in powerlifting. I think you already would be in the upper, you know, top top five percentile in powerlifting I think you would you be blown away. Are you taking you taking great team? Yes, yeah, all right good all

She's all not yet. Don't do that No No, no, no, no, no, that's what I start, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, get buffed and strong and they're hell buffed and strong. Yeah. I'm like, are you guys gonna be asking me a real question? Right in a minute. It's feels like it's not a real question. I mean, she's like, you're talking about a genetic freak right there.

Yeah, I mean, she's- Three years of lifting? Yeah, she looks crazy. That's one of the strongest, like 23 year old men out. She's 23, yeah. I'm pretty sure she's stronger than me in almost every lift right now. Yeah.

I don't think I got a- I'm positive. Maybe I got a- Maybe. Maybe. She's taking a fight. I'd got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive.

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Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Maybe I got a positive. Listen, if you lift consistently, your best lifts are probably gonna be around mid-30s. It's just statistically how it is. Or at least 30. Yeah, so you can lift in your 20s and be like, oh my God, I'm never gonna hit this again. If you're good and consistent, you take care of yourself and all of the stuff and nothing goes wrong, you'll probably hit more numbers

up until you get to your mid-30s. Well, that just highlights how much of a skill this is. That's right, you know, it's like you're... And what training does. Yeah, speaking of, yeah, that's why I'm selfish. I'm glad you brought up old time, because I would, I just really want to see her go through that. Somebody that has that capability of strength wise,

and to apply it in such an unconventional direction. And that's going to benefit so many things for her if when she goes to pursue your power lifts. I want to see her do the strength. Yeah, Marina, if you listen to this, make sure you follow up with us. I'd love to hear her. In fact, you were getting the form. Yeah, put the form.

Because I want to see her go through old timing. I just can't wait to see what she can do. Awesome. Our next caller is Candace from Tennessee. Hi Candace. How can we help you? Hi, guys. Thank you for having me on.

Just want to say I've been listening for over five years and have been cheering you guys on from the side of lunch since I failed you. So I am thrilled about what you've grown, not just with your business, but your own personal self development. It's been great to watch that. And thank you for being so courageous

and putting all of your wisdom and knowledge out there for us. Thank you so much. Thank you. No problem. So my question is pertaining to something that keeps happening to me while I'm working. I'm a 42 year old mental health therapist and I have an overall clean diet. So I try to stay away from refon sugars and preservatives as much as possible. But I'm noticing after a really intense session and it's usually it's when I'm working with couples where their emotional reactivity is really high. My body is like feeling the heightened energy in the room, but I have to stay really sharp and really focused during those times. So after the session ends, I get like an overwhelming urge for carbs of any kind. So I'll start rummaging

through my desk drawers and I'm going in the kitchen looking for anything that I can eat really quickly because I have like two to five minutes before the next session starts. And full transparency if I find gummy bears, I will eat a handful of those within like five seconds. And anything else that I'll reach for like, I've tried almond butter, I've tried the stash yours. It doesn't seem to quench that craving. So my question is, I'm wondering if you have insight to why this might be happening? Is it a glucose issue or is something else being depleted?

And then also, if you have suggestions for what I should be reaching for, that would provide my body with what it needs and not disrupt my diet so much. Candice, other people, people are so, it would be so surprised to see how much the brain utilizes of glucose. And you put yourself into a mental battle like that. Like I can't imagine like the way your your brain is having to offer so much energy. It's so much energy. Yeah. And on another level, when you have a profession like that,

and so it's actually very normal that you would crave something like that, and you've made the connection of like, specifically like what type of sessions. Like that's, I imagine very stressful, a lot of thinking, processing, real time. That can be incredibly draining. And very normal.

Well, let's parse this out. Do you have any other signs of low glucose? Do you have anxiety, energy crashes, nausea, dizziness, cold sweat? I have to know. And I've talked to my levels several times and they're normal. That's not that them. So here's what's happening. And you know this, actually, you know what's going on.

Because once I tell you, then you're going to be like, oh, we have course. When people feel a great deal of stress or anxiety or fear or challenge, we tend to want to comfort ourselves with something that gives us a little bit of reprieve. And there's a lot of different ways to do this. There's better ways than others. And sugary or and sugary or starchy foods are hyperpalatable, and they give us a, it's like a sense of relief. Like, oh, it's enjoyable to eat this. It's a break. It's a break from the intense session that you just had. It has nothing to do with your glucose levels.

If you're not getting any of the symptoms and you test your glucose. So this is not a physiological thing in that sense. This is more of a mental thing or psychological thing or behavioral thing that happens where you just need a break in between sessions because what you just did, it's like a reset because you got this, you just went through one, you got to switch,

and now you got to meet with someone else, you don't want to carry that into the next session. So subconsciously, you're like, I need a break, this tastes good, this feels good, and for five minutes I get a tiny break. The only way that this is gonna be remedies if you find a substitute. Okay, so the techniques that you teach your clients

on how to get themselves to recenter themselves and to feel better or give themselves a short break. Let's say that they start to lose it with their kids or their spouse or those techniques that you teach them, you can actually apply on yourself, Candace. And that, you would have to build a relationship with those things. So it takes a second, just like when you teach your clients, hey, when you're arguing, you feel yourself get elevated, take a break, it's like a practice, I gotta get used to it.

Once they do it, it's like, okay, this is great. So you have to find yourself a replacement for that. Otherwise, it's not going to go away. I could say a protein meal, but like you said, it doesn't do it for you because it's not giving you the, it doesn't feel good in the same way. So it's not giving you that kind of break. So I would think of something else that could do that for you.

It could be meditation. It could be stretching. That's really hard to do. That's the direction I was thinking. Yeah, it could be meditation, it could be stretching. That's really hard to do, that's the direction I was thinking. Yeah, it could be music, it could be going outside, you know, it could be belly breathing. You know more techniques than I do on this particular case, but that's what's happening. Is you're looking for a reprieve in that candy or the sugar

or starch is what's giving it to you? I think there's a possibility it could be a combination of that with still something going on nutritionally. What does your food look like heading into these sessions? How do you normally, so like do you have any idea how many carbs you eat in a normal day and then about how many calories

or what you would have done before you go into these sessions? Yeah, so usually I stick around 2,000 calories a day. I will admit, usually my carbs are lower and my fat and takes higher. My protein, I usually get around 100 to 120 grams a day. But I eat high protein for breakfast because a lot of times, I don't even know if I'm so busy, I might not even get a lunch.

So I try to eat protein so I'm satiated, but probably not as many carbs in the morning. That's actually better. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's actually a good thing. eat protein some satiated, but probably not as many carbs in the morning. That's actually better. Yeah, that's actually a good thing. So I thought it might be the opposite, and then was going to suggest to you to do exactly what you're already doing. I don't think it's an nutrition thing. Well, I mean, you can still...

I'm sorry. I'm also trying, like I do the breathing techniques, right? So I do have like a 15 minute breathing and meditation, but I don't know if this might be a part of it too, but I've thought about like I can feel in my body like the adrenaline pumping, you know, logically, you know, I'm very focused and centered. I have a background where I was in a pretty abusive childhood. And so it's like my body will do that. And when they leave, it's almost like I can feel that something dropped. And then I just want to grab and then he'll sugar. Well, then that definitely, yeah.

So what's happening? It's what's happening. Yeah, what's happened is you found some reprieve. So, yeah. And now you've built a relationship with it. And so now it's become very effective at doing what you're looking, what you're trying to get. You're not going to find a replacement for it that is going to give you what that gives you right out the gates because you've already developed this relationship. How long have you been doing this for, for example? Five years. Yeah.

So you have developed a five year relationship with this to the point where your body anticipates it and you get relief before you even probably process or just knowing you're going to do it. Right. So it's going gonna take some time to develop a new relationship with a new practice, but the only way to do it is to create a new relationship and replace that behavior,

because honestly, not doing anything is gonna be too much of a job. Yeah, so what do you think, Sal? I mean, my suggestion would be like a bridge to that, which would be like finding a better, so I love these like, you know, I have a sweet tooth, right? So I can definitely relate to that type of craving and feeling.

Or some sort of high protein, sugary fruit bar, like thing that you make, like a homemade version. Like we make these incredible peanut butter balls that we make, definitely when I'm craving sweet foods, it gives me that that kick. So have you tried like replacing it with a just a better choice? You could still have sugar in it, but just a healthier or more balanced one like macro profile that has some protein in it.

A little more fiber in there because a little bit of everything. Have you tried stuff like that? Honestly, the only other thing that I've tried besides healthy nuts is dark chocolate. So I'll eat a dark chocolate bar, but it doesn't have the protein and the fiber that you're mentioning. Can you have dairy? Yes. You know, full fat yogurt with fruit or honey.

I've had clients who found that to be kind of a nice bridge. Okay. And you get the fat, you get the protein, you get the sugar, it's palatable, it's pretty palatable. And so it can do well. Even something crazy like magic spoon, I would use that as a bridge potentially too. It's a smoke cigarette material. Nice menthol.

Call them me down. No, I mean, I'm just trying to find something to bridge this, right? Because I think you're right. Going from somebody who's already connected the gummy bears and stuff like that to go into nuts, you're just not going to get that satisfaction. So something like that that'll give you a little bit of sweet, but it's just a better healthier choice. This is, I think, a great place to potentially use something like magic spooch.

There's value there. You know what else, too? This has helped me a lot. Okay. And I'm assuming therapists are similar to trainers in the sense that we are much better with how we work with our people. Like I give really good advice to my clients. Then when it comes to taking my own advice,

sometimes I don't, a lot of times I should say, I don't do it. So practice that. Okay, if I was my own patient lot of times I should say I don't do it. So practice that. Okay, if I was my own patient, what would I say? Let me go through this experience, let me do this. And what it's going to do is it's also going to make you a better therapist because now you're going to feel the experience of changing the behavior and what it feels like. And the reason why I'm saying that to you, Candace, is you're probably a therapist because

you really care about helping people. And so that might be a strong motivator and be like, okay, I know I'm saying that to you Candace is you're probably a therapist because you really care about helping people. And so that might be a strong motivator. And be like, okay, I know I'm doing this in the sucks. I'm doing this to become a better therapist. I'm experiencing this, the sucks. I know what it feels like, oh, I've got to create this new behavior, but I'm going to do it. And then I know it's going to help me communicate this to other people because I'm experiencing

it myself. That tends to work with me motivational wise. If I start to put myself in the shoes of my client and then say, it's gonna make me a better trainer, then I tend to be a little bit more motivating because I used to care so much about helping them. So if you try, I have absolutely suggested Greek yogurt with fruit to my clients.

And they're definitely talking about cravings, but it's not something that I reach for. So you're right, yes, we don't practice a lot of the times the things that we're pretty good at. Candice, you're a mental health expert, right? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'mace. Can we clip that please? I'm gonna do you. I'm gonna need to use that please. One more question.

Make sure. Why am I always wrong at home? What's going on here? I'm always wrong. What's the deal? Because you're the male and the relationship. Oh, wow, I like you. I like your phone number afterwards.

I like you. This is awesome. No, I hope that helps you out, Candace. But that's tough, man. It's tough to replace something that's worked so well in the sense of helping you kind of transition from one patient to another or to another. So it's gonna be a switch, there's gonna be a process,

it's probably gonna take months of starting to feel like I'm getting something out, I'm getting out of this new behavior, what I used to get out of the old one. But there's gonna be a period there where it's gonna suck for a little while, so. I also getting something out, I'm getting out of this new behavior, what I used to get out of the old one, but there's going to be a period there where it's going to suck for a little while. I also want to point out, I mean, I think this is all a very healthy, good conversation that we're having and good to be growth-minded working on all this stuff.

A handful of gummy bears after a crazy session like that every now and then isn't also the worst. Oh, I'm so glad you said that. You look like you're fit and pretty damn healthy. Yeah, it's not that big of a deal. I'm so glad you said that. You look like you're fit and pretty damn healthy. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah, so it also have some compassion for yourself. Hey, you know what, you just fucking went through the ringer

with these people and probably brought up a bunch of your shit and that gummy bear, I mean, it's definitely better than the menthol, you know. It's not smooth with the menthol. I'm just thinking. So it's not, I mean, I would be more concerned that if this is something that leads to this like spiraling down, like you have a gummy bear and then after that,

you decide to go, you're binging fast food, and then you can't even put on the ice cream for dessert. And so then I'd be like, okay, let's see where the root cause is, what's triggering it and how that's leading you down that path. But you look pretty healthy and fit to me. And you know what, sometimes I'm so glad you said that. That is a hundred percent. So, you know, like if you really want to do this and it really bothers you what we said earlier

but if you if you think you're being a little too hard on yourself that hey look that might be the let me ask you this if you were your own patient what would you say to them I bet you would say something like what Adam just said what did you you? Yeah, for sure. And I get told quite often that I'm too hard on myself and I don't give myself the compassion that I freely give to others. Wow, Adam hit me on the head there. Oh man, there you go. Adam, enjoy your gummy bears. All right, well thank you.

It's just good to know that there's not something I need to be watching out for nutritionally. So that'll help me be a little easier on myself. Yeah, you're doing great. Thanks, Candace. Thank you. Appreciate it. Damn, glad you said that after. That was it right there.

Well, you know, I was like, I'm looking at her. I can tell she's in good shape, you know, 42 years old. I know what, I mean, I'm like, handful gummy bears. I mean, let's be honest. Let's not the bad behavior. That's not even that miniscule. Many calories. She's low carb heading into. I mean, God, there honest. That's not the bad behavior, but it's not even that. That's not even that minuscule. Many calories. She's low carb heading into it.

I mean, God, there's fucking doctors that recommend you do gummy bears for workouts. I, you say? There is. There's a literal doctor. So let's be totally true. Yes, so let's see. I used to train, no joke. I used to train a doctor.

He was a cancer doctor. His job was so stressful. Obviously, you're telling people they're going to die and all that stuff. It was so stressful. Obviously, you're telling people they're gonna die and all that stuff, it was so stressful. He smoked cigarettes and he changed smoke. And he told me in like secret, he's like, this is terrible, but I know I work with cancer. He's like, I smoke because it's the only thing

that helps me deal with all the stress or whatever. And I can kind of understand, like shit, it doesn't make sense. On one hand, but it does on the other hand, so. That's why I why she could smoke. Right, work for other people. Right. Just kidding.

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