Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2153: The Best Ways to Kick-Start Glute Growth, Tips for the Behind the Head Shoulder Press, How to Train During Pregnancy & More

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.    Mind Pump Fit Tip: STOP talking about your genetics and ACCEPT the things you CAN control. (2:01) Why things that come easy for you isn’t a better life. (11:45) Challenging moments as a father. (15:09) How our parents were working with what they had. (24:06) The Mind Pump X State & Liberty giveaway! (33:40) The untold brilliance of Victor Conte. (39:54) Can Disney potentially lose the copyright to Mickey Mouse?! (45:04) The euphoric feeling from the Peak Performance stack from Organifi. (50:32) The search for the Loch Ness Monster. (56:33) Shout out to the Scranton Stranglers. (59:40) #Quah question #1 - Favorite exercise and drills to activate your glutes? (1:01:37) #Quah question #2 - What tips and advice do you have for the behind-the-head barbell shoulder press? (1:05:25) #Quah question #3 - Which of your programs is suited to perform during pregnancy? (1:12:24) #Quah question #4 - How do you train yourself on the skill of running again? (1:15:59) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit State & Liberty for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code PUMP10 at checkout for 10% off** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** August Promotion: MAPS Anabolic Advanced 50% off! **Code AUGUST50 at checkout** Mind Pump #1877: Obesity, It’s Not Your Genetics Do Genetics Play A Role In How Much Muscle You Can Build? - Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Rentals – Utah Property Watch Untold: Hall of Shame | Netflix Official Site State & Liberty X Mind Pump Giveaway! Disney could soon lose exclusive rights to Mickey Mouse For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Largest Search for Loch Ness Monster is Using Volunteers for Scientific Study of Britain's Largest Lake This Week Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Mind Pump #2065: Glute Masterclass Mind Pump #1745: How To Pack On Muscle To Your Lagging/Stubborn Body Parts How To Behind The Neck Press Properly! (ADVANCED LIFTERS ONLY!) Z Press to take Your Shoulder Development to the Next Level Mind Pump #1375: How To Train Before, During & After Pregnancy The Running Revolution: How to Run Faster, Farther, and Injury-Free--for Life Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Scranton Stranglers (@thescrantonstranglersmusic) Instagram Bret Contreras PhD (@bretcontreras1) Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram

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how quickly you respond to exercise and diet, how strong you can get, how fast you can run, how high you can jump, pretty much everything physical is your genetics, your genetics play a huge role and how quickly you respond to exercise. All right, here's the good news. It doesn't matter. You're stuck with your genetics,

so stop worrying about, in fact, stop comparing yourself to other people. There's lots of factors that contribute to your performance and how you look. One of them being something you simply can't control your genetics. So let's stop talking about genetics and let's start worrying about the things we can control.

It's much more empowering, and honestly, it's the only way to succeed long term with this. Yeah, I had a realization with this one. Recently? Yeah, another one. What was the limitation? Well, so my wife, if she works out twice, okay. She looks like she's been working out for six months, two workouts.

She didn't work out for a little while, she went to visit her family, took some time off, couldn't get into rhythm, comes back, and I swear to God yesterday, she's wearing like a tight, kind of like a skirt type thing. I'm like, damn, what the hell? I'm like, you look really different.

Like, what did you do? Like, what's going on? I just like, oh, what the hell? I'm like, you look really different. Like, what did you do? Like, what's going on? I was like, oh, I worked out Monday and Wednesday. Okay. She's got really crazy, and my younger kids have... Sounds like the opposite of what I've heard a lot of people complain. It's usually, well, I know for me too,

it's like my wife will complain that I can get lean pretty quickly. Oh, yeah. No, she's got, she's got like these these like like kind of like bodybuilder type genetics It's cool because my younger kids have it, but I don't respond like that at all So it's I see that I'm like man, it would take me I mean I respond faster because I've been trained for so long But I'm like I tease her I'm like if I had your genetics man You know, I don't know if I agree with that with you

I don't know I don't know Well first of all in eight years that we've been together, I haven't seen you take a long enough break to actually, to measure this. That's right. Exactly what I mean. So I don't know, I don't know if I believe that, because I used to think that about myself,

and I remember Katrina getting frustrated, be like, so not fair, you just switch it, and it's like you change so fast. So, but what I do know about my genetics and it's so it's a double-edged sort. I definitely feel like I can switch the diet around. I could start training. You know all the levers. Yeah, I can turn the left.

I can turn it on real quick. And I think that's more now than it was my like earlier years ago. I don't think I had that ability, say, 15 plus years ago, but I do believe I had that now. But the other side of that is too, man, I lay off like one weekend, it feels like I lose a lot. So I swing back and forth quite a bit.

So yeah, okay, I feel like I could turn it up and change it really quick. The amount of work and effort that it requires me to be able to do what I do, look how I look, whatever is a lot, and a very consistent, extremely consistent, probably to a fault. And I've worked, we've all been in the space long enough to where, I don't think I have terrible genetics. I'm probably somewhere in the middle, I would say, if I had to guess, I'd just been

doing this a long time. But we've all worked with people on the higher end, and it's just another animal. It's like someone who's really tall, that's rare. Like how often do you see people over six foot five, right? It's rare. Are there tests that they have to measure that now? Like because I'd love to get that done just as a, remember when I actually used to talk about that a lot

in the podcast earlier when people get so fucking pissed off? They have ad genetics. Yeah, I used to, you were a pro. Yeah, and so I was like at the peak of my training and dieting and I was like, oh, you have bookie-ing and being like, you have a book of good, you have, you have a couple of things working really well for you, which is you have really wide shoulders and small waist and you have long muscle bellies.

So those are two good things working for you. Right. But then like the muscle building or that stuff, like you're not like, No, I mean, I have a tiny skeletal system, which is not advantageous for placking on a lot of muscles, I'm saying, I'm not big-boned at all. And if you're not big-boned, you don't tend, it's harder to, I think, to put on a lot of muscle, you know what I'm saying? I'm not big-boned at all. And if you're not big-boned,

you don't tend, it's harder to, I think, to put on a muscle, generally speaking. And the opposite is true. When you are big-boned, it may be harder for you to feel like you can lose body fat, but the benefit is you tend to pack on muscle-easy. Yeah, see, my wife has really crazy, first off, she builds muscle super easy,

and then she has long muscle bellies, but then she has a combined with small joints, which is rare. Usually you'll see really long muscle bellies and big joints. She's got small ankles, small wrists, so it gives her this look and she just responds very quickly. I haven't given myself long enough time off. I know this. My brother is 10 levels higher than me with the genetics. My brother who works out here and there, he's not a fitness fanatist, not his field, right? He does finance and he's really good at that. He'll come in here and he'll rep, you know,

285, 315, just like he's a loose. Yeah, so, I mean, I know, I can see this, but my whole point with it isn't to complain. My point with this is, you can't control this. Yes, right. So forget about it. Like this whole, like people focus so heavily on that. Well, not only that, Sal, but I actually do, I do think that, in my point of bringing

that up too, it was again, it's also not to complain or say, oh, it's so tough for me. I think for every disadvantage, you have an advantage. That's my point of bringing it up. That's an empowering way of thinking that you put more work into it. Totally. Yeah, so at least what I value in my life. And this is my experience with coaching and training clients for years is that, you know, the client is like, oh my God,

it's so hard to lose body fat, like letting them like reframing it go like, yeah, but we could pack on muscle with you. And which means it's gonna speed up metabolism easier than the skinny kid who can't put on any muscle. And the skinny kid put on muscle, the positive thing is, bro, it's easy for you to get shredded.

So it's like, I feel like for every person that thinks they're genetically disadvantaged, they also have an advantage. Yeah, well, the truth is most people are in the middle, 99% of everybody's in the middle. So most people are not, yeah. And that too, right? Generally speaking, all of us are pretty much somewhere in this middle spectrum. Most of us are not these crazy outliers on either end. And it within that spectrum, wherever you fall,

with the farther left or farther right, if you're farther right, you have some advantages that the people in the far left don't have, and vice versa. But there's also mindset. I'll ask Justin this question, because here in TU, he's experienced just coaching high school kids,

and obviously you played sports, you know this. Some of the laziest people are the most gifted. Yeah, hands down. Why, why is that? Why are gifted people lazy? Yeah, again, this is a good thing. It's a good thing. Yeah, so the work.

Yeah, if you could just roll out of bed and you can perform at a very high level and people can't really touch, what you're doing out there in the field very easily. Like, the motivation isn't there. Unless they're thinking, if their vision is bigger than that, right? If they're trying to get into the pros

and they understand like how much work they gotta do, which, you know, those are the ones that become the great ones is the ones that they combine both elements together of the work and the talent. But when you're younger and you just have all this natural talent, it's just, you cut through everybody like butter, it's too easy. Yeah, there was this one sales guy who worked for 24. I never worked them, but I worked

out with him and called Bobbi. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Persian guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just like crazy strength and muscle gene crazy. And the guy worked out every once in a while. And I'm never forget he came to work out. And I was working out kind of same time. And at the time, this was right after him and I, when I was an assistant manager at 24, I was like the top sales guy. And he was always, he was the guy that if anybody could challenge me it was him. He's very, very talented. So we knew of each other.

It was one of those like, friendly, competitive things. So we saw each other. It was kind of like that. Well, this is what it turned into in the workout, right? So he comes and it worked out in my gym. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that guy does really well, whatever. And he's just kind of broad, you know, big, you know, bigger guy or whatever. And we're talking is like, oh, man, I really got to get back into it.

I haven't worked out for a while and blah, blah, blah. And he slaps four and a half plates on the bar and squats. Like 450 pounds and he squats and it looks easy. Looks like I squat 135. And I looked at it and I was like, what dude? I was like, you don't look out. That's been a while or whatever. Like what's your mat?

Like what have you done? He's like, well I don't really ever try to like hit my max. I've done 600 and I was like, okay, whatever dude. Like you're on another level, you know? But yeah, I think there's benefits and detriment, but I think the key is acceptance of the fact that there are things you can't change. And then just focus on the stuff you can

because one of the worst things you can do in fitness, actually in life in general, is to compare yourself to other people. First off, you don't know what their gifts are, but you also don't know the context of their life. You don't know other aspects of their life. It's not fair to you, and you may be comparing yourself to one aspect, but you may not even want to trade

your life with them anyway. So it's just weird, it's a self-defeating thing. Yeah, it just reminds me of when I was growing up. My dad's six, seven, he's huge, right? And I idolize him. And I'm like this little kid that's like, I know I'm not gonna be that big, and I keep growing up, and I'm like,

I get to six foot, and I'm just still like, I'm not gonna be that big, and it was frustrating to me. But when I can't control how strong I am, and so that was like something I just started to figure out. I'm like, well, okay, if you're gonna wrestle and smother me, like I have to get stronger. And so it like promoted me to like go in the strength direction. So one day I flip them over and I'm stronger than him, right?

And it's just like, you gotta look at it differently. You gotta have a different perspective about it. Whatever is your weakness, like you can find a strength in a different direction. That's right. about it, whatever is your weakness, like you can find a strength in a different direction. This idea that we're always pointing out who had things easier or pointing out privilege all the time, it's like, I don't know why we assume that things coming easy to you is a better way for life to work out for. And in all aspects, I don't care if that's for, you know, education, I don't care if that's for work

and being, you know, introduced to the right people to get a good job. I don't care if that's genetics around, you know, the build of physique. This idea that it coming easier for some people and then being privileged, that leads to a more fulfilling, better life is so ironic to me. It's crazy because we talk about all the time about the journey as everything, right?

Well, if the journey is everything and you have an easy-ass path, like, how fucking fun is that journey? Like, it's not, you're not overcoming, you're not having to figure things out. It's all easy for you. It's so funny how we sit on the other side and we like idolize or we admire or we envy these people that are in a better place of privilege when it's like, no, like, you know where the sweet sauce is being disadvantaged, figuring it out, overcoming it

and being successful. Fuckin' out, tell you that person, that story always has a way more fulfilling life than the person that got to start ahead of everything. It's also that it's also this is part of human behavior. And it's important to become aware of like my dad talks about all the time how he grew up. My dad grew up very poor. You know, just, you know, six kids, cement house, you know, one room at one point, you know, it just poor.

He was very poor growing up. And he always says how happy he was. And I said, man, I said, you tell me about how you bought shoes that were too big because your mom needed them to fit you for a long time. And then when they didn't fit, she cut the toes off, they became sandals until that didn't fit any of the shoes.

Like you tell me these stories and you talk about how happy you were. And he goes, we didn't know we were poor. I'm like, what? And he goes, everybody else was like that. We didn't compare ourselves to other people because this is how everybody was. And boy, does that point to human behavior?

It's like, we can't be happy if we know or perceive or think somebody else has more than we do. It's so crazy to me. It's something to become aware of because it's always gonna be there. I don't care what you have and how much you accomplish. If you have that mindset, you're always focusing on what everybody else has and you don't,

you're never gonna be happy. It's always gonna feel that way. And it's terrible. It's something to be like I said, to be aware of. Yeah, no, I think fitness is the same thing too. And you know, I do. I attribute the challenge I had as a teenager, early 20s of trying to figure it out to the mastery

that I feel like I found in my late 30s. It totally molded you into who you were. You're one of the most resilient people I know. And I guarantee you that's why. And I think that, like, okay, so yeah, to the outside person or like my wife who's only known me for 12, 13 years, she goes, oh my God, you have so easy,

but yeah, she wasn't with me 15 years before that. When I was, you know, banging my head against the wall, trying to figure this out and frustrated and struggling and picking myself back up. It's like, so, I mean, you never know, and you never know that where, like, people tend to judge right away. They see something like, oh, that person,

oh, this is lucky. And it's like, oh, you have no idea how they got there. And, you know, so to compare yourself to other people is, is such a, is stupid. In any aspect, you finances or... It's deadness, everything. It's detrimental. Justin, I want to back up a little bit.

You talked about when you were able to finally flip your dad over. Older age. Yes, it's always 16. Do you remember at 16, huh? Now, do you remember? I remember the first time I beat my dad at wrestling. And I remember the feeling I had. I wonder if yours was similar.

Like, how did you feel for me? Were you that young? You weren't that young, were you? I beat my dad. I submitted, we used to do, you know, we try and wrestle and who could submit each other. And I did it. I was, I wanna say 18.

So I was, yeah. Yeah. My dad wasn't afraid of me. My stepdad wasn't afraid of me until my like late 20s. I feel like, yeah, I feel like time. I feel like time for you to be. Obviously. Yeah, I was, I was just like an animal like getting after it.

And yeah, to to your question, like I was like so happy immediately and then immediately right after that was like depressed. It was just like, I just kind of walked off. Like it was, yeah, it was a surreal experience because it was like that was like my pinnacle the pinnacle goal was like I'm gonna I'm gonna you know reverse this I'm gonna I'm gonna take him and like and and flip this off so You can't do this to me anymore and like it really was just like I don't know it

It's really hard to articulate it was like it was one of those things where you're just like, you work so hard, you don't think it's ever an achievable goal, I guess. That's how it falls. I didn't think I'd ever be able to do it. And I did it. And then he was weird about it. And I was weird about it.

We kind of walked away. And then we're just like, okay, I'm not gonna do it. My dad's like, I'm not gonna do that again. I'm not gonna go, okay. Yeah. And same feeling. I got my dad and I'm not gonna do it. My dad's like, I'm not gonna do that again. I'm not gonna go, okay. Yeah. At the same feeling, my dad and I, he's impossible. He's just so strong and technical and whatever.

And I caught him. I caught him with a leg lock. And I tapped and I remember at first, being like, yeah, I finally got him. And then being like, my hero. Like I just beat my hero. And then it was weird afterwards. Although he was kind of like,

I think it's a moment as a father. Was he proud? Yeah, cause it's, it was weird, but he was proud. He was proud. But it was also kind of weird because I think at some point as a father, I don't think you wanted that early as a father. No.

Well, it's a realization. I mean, don't you, I mean, I, I'm, so that inspires me as a father. I don't think you wanted that early as a father. No. Well, it's a realization. I mean, don't you, I mean, I, I'm, so that inspires me as a dad. Like when I hear those stories and I think about that stuff, that like, and I don't, that you guys are, we're talking about physical capabilities, I think in all aspects, right? Yeah, anything.

Intelligent, like success, I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah, everything, like I want, I want my son to have that bar where he's just like his, most of his life, he's trying to catch up to dad, right? And I look forward to that day. He overcomes it. I hope it's not at 16.

If you do a good job, I guess you're right. So if I do a really good job and he does, you really catch all those things by 16. I have kids going to be killing. I was mo, you had a younger brother. So I had an older brother who had a lot of friends that were way bigger than me too. So it was like, I was always the underdog, the small guy that was like fighting everybody

like as much as I could. So it was like, I think that's probably why it accelerated a little bit. Yeah, I had a kind of a moment like that early on with my oldest, I think it was 14. And no, maybe even younger, 13, and he's a wizard at math, and that's, I'm terrible. Oh, on the intelligence level.

Yeah, he just came back, he just had homework, and I said, oh, let me see what you're doing, and I looked at it and I'm like, I don't know how to do this. I'm like, my days are helping you with homework are over already. You know, okay. You know.

So it's kind of like that. Yeah, no one is like that, because that's just a different, another area, like I'm saying. And he is a super smart kid. So, and that's exactly what you talk about. Now you have with him, like he goes back and forth and you, I can only imagine you guys as battles. Oh, the debates. Yeah, the arguing and the debate.

I'm just wiser. So he argues the way I did when I was his age. So it's like looking at a mirror and I'm like, okay, I know where you're coming from. You're like, fuck, I used to set like this. Totally, totally. I'm getting into that. Yeah, Ethan's starting to try and challenge my ideas quite a bit. Oh, really?

Oh, I didn't know that Ethan's getting that one. That was a little bit. Yeah, he's been really chiming in and trying to edge his ideas against mine. And so it's good. We get into Courtney, gets a little awkward, starts to kind of get up and walk out and it's like, oh, it's getting tense. And then I'm like, it's not tense. We're just like, we're working this out.

We're having a nice little discussion about some of these things. I love it. I love debate and it kind of stuff. It just got to be very challenging as a father to not, when those moments come, to not default to like what I think a lot of dads or parents do,

which is it's like, oh, I told, because I'm your dad. Yeah. You know, or to do that. Well, because you know, there's stuff that you know that you're like it's smothering over, power him with facts or whatever. And kind of, but, you know, I want to hear his thought process. Yes. So this is, so Jessica is really good at this. She she's like, we don't let the kids know your opinions so strongly or so often. Let them develop their own. And then when they have their opinions, however wrong or whatever you think, question them. Just question them. Ask questions.

And this happened the night. We're sitting there watching the, the first Republican primary debate. And my daughter was sitting on the couch and she's texting with her friends. But she's also kind of hearing, right? And so as it's going on, I'm commenting and I'm saying things and I feel, you know, Jessica hit me under the blanket. And I'm like, oh, you're right. Because I don't want, I want my kids to come with their own opinions.

That's right. Then for me to ask and then for us to discuss because what could happen is either A, they adopt your ideas without ever really falling around. Or if they rebel, they know what to push up again. That's right. You know, you probably even worse. I mean, that's like that's so hard.

That's leadership 101 right there. Yeah, that's leadership 101. That's you learning to ask the right questions, pull them in the direction that you want to and not push them in that direction because you do risk that by forcing or pushing your ideology on your kid of them. You know what's hard about this? The spelling. and not push them in that direction, because you do risk that by forcing or pushing your ideology on your kid of them. You know what's hard about this? Revealing.

By the way, and this is just, this was a learning lesson for me. I think you do good with this Justin, you got older kids, is it's a long game. So, why it's so challenging is that you get immediate results if you do an old school style. No, this is whatever blah, they succumb. They submit you win, right? But the long game the dividends pay back way more. I'm seeing this right now with my two and a half year old

So like when he does something that's supposed or whatever I Default to old school like don't do that if you do I'm gonna put you over here or whatever and it gets it may get some immediate results Right away sometimes usually it doesn't they push. And it gets, it may get some immediate results right away. Sometimes usually it doesn't, they push back real hard, whatever. But it may, right? But the other approach is slower, it's more conversational, it's more, what do they call it?

There's a term for it, it's a type of parenting. But initially, you're like, just, you know, just tell them to stop doing that and pull them away. It's a longer play. Now I'm seeing it come out firsthand. Now, my two and a half year old, his older sister, his 13, they're sitting in the couch and she's playing with them. And then a couple of times she was watching TV.

So he's kicking her. Okay. And he kicks her. She's like, oh, and Jessica goes, are you trying to get your sister's attention? Rather than don't kick your sister, are you trying to get her attention? Kicks are, she's like, ow! And Jessica goes, are you trying to get your sister's attention? Rather than don't kick your sister, are you trying to get her attention? And he goes, yeah, I want her attention.

And she goes, is there a different way you can do that? And he goes, to my daughter, he goes, can I please have some of your attention right now? Well, they're two and a half year old. And that was a stop kick, I don't know. But it's been a long process. There's been a lot of moments where he kicks and then we got to go through this whole process. And I just want to be like, you're not doing that stop, you know, type of deal.

So it's a long game, the whole like ask questions, let them forward, because you want to jump on over him and be like, that's a stupid opinion, buddy. You shouldn't say it. I mean, it just goes back to, I think, one of the biggest differences of, you know, 25 year old you versus 40 year old you is that your patient, your wiser, your slower to react like that. I think that's one of the great. It's not to say you can't be a 25 year old father and be a great father.

I just think that at that age, you're still, there's still such a, I mean, especially for men, right? We're still maturing so much and still figuring things out about ourselves. That mean, now you have to figure things out about yourself and also figure out what's the best way to handle this kid. And I think a lot of times that gets muddy, especially if you add in stress and all the other things like that. And so the power of being older and wiser and mature is that you have this ability to feel those moments. Like that mean the awareness that you even have to know that, oh, there is a better approach

to that. Imagine you being 25 in that situation. Oh, yeah. You probably just would end up arguing with your wife and be like, no, I don't, you know, sometimes I still do because you don't see the immediate result. And, and I grew up in a particular way. And, you know, whatever. Yeah, then you add in that omit too, like the way we are all raised, right?

We all have different backgrounds. And so, you know a way, the only way you know is the way you were raised. So this was, this actually leads to a cool discussion is like, why was it a particular way for so long and why now are there better ways? Part of it I think, this is my argument and I've debated back and forth with my wife

and other people about this, but I think there may be something to it. I think back in the day, first off, you had a lot of kids. You have a lot of kids. Second off, you don't have time to take your time to do things around. Yeah, because the work schedule and structure was pretty demanding.

Yeah, the challenges today are different than 50 years ago. I mean, 100 years ago, especially. Definitely a hundred, definitely a hundred years, even 50 years ago, the thing, like there was, I mean, even to like really your kids being abducted or hurting themselves or like the challenges as a parent are just a different challenge.

We live in a easier, better time for our kids. And so learning to, and now like our challenge. And now our challenge is to monitor them from the Yeah. And now our challenges team monitor them. How to communicate. Where a hundred years ago was like, how to survive. Yeah. How to live. How did not get killed.

You know, say trust your kids can do the right thing and just let them out, you know, and play and go find their friends and avoid traffic and avoid like people trying to kidnap them. Like, let's say you trust that like whatever you told them was gonna stick. Imagine being in the early 1900s and just knowing that there's a very good chance your kid could end up

going to war at a very young age. I'm teaching that. I'm training that kid. I'm training that kid at five years old, different than I'm training my five year old today. That's why we had just fables, right? We had all those scary ass stores like handsome and rental get eaten by some of the kids.

And it made sense then, it made more sense than it's just different, that's all it is. Well yeah, let me throw a curvilite here, right? Think about all the time you spend with your kid, right? All the dedicated time you do with teaching, now imagine if you had seven, like that alone, even today, with all of our luxuries,

it makes it exponentially more challenging. Well guess what, they had seven kids, my dad grew up with six kids. My grandfather, nine kids. They grew up with all these kids. Plus, you cooked everything by hand. You cleaned clothes by hand, washed dishes by hand. Dad was gone.

And when he came home, he could barely walk through the door because he just broke his body, working. Mom's been breaking her body, working all day long. The kids get out of the house because I need to be able to do these things otherwise we have no dinner. You don't have any clothes that are clean. I have to scrub the house, I have to do this.

So, the entire- All you were- All you're looking for is immediate effect. That's right. You don't have time to communicate to seven different kids that way and be patiently waiting for all of them to approve. No, you're like, if you do this, I'll throw my kids in. Meanwhile, two of them died because you were being so patient with the other two. Just as it worked out. No, you're like, if you do this, I'll throw my shirt in. You want two of them died because you were being so patient

with the other two. Just doesn't work down. No, it was a crazy time. And so you see that. And it's like, this way, you know, like, shit, these kids, you used to hit them. No, why do you? How can you hit your kids?

It's a really good discussion and interesting point to bring up because a lot of times we tend to shame our parents or our parents' parents for, oh, I can't, and we act as if like we're so much better. And it's like, oh, they did, what the fuck were they doing? And they were so wrong. It's like, I don't know necessarily

if they were so wrong or so off. They were working with what they had. And we're in a environment that's completely different. It's different. It's just different. It's way different today. And I do think that that approach and is more important today than say,

maybe a hundred years ago a hundred years ago and with seven kids that's not what you're doing dude just this you're not sitting down no no and you know you like oh great I have this two-year-old who's so smart and so far but then you let your other three kids die yeah because you're so busy communicating to your fucking one you should have fucking slapped your kid for fucking touching the hot stove that could calm fire because you were being so patient with the other two and say, where to go dad? You're so good. I know. I know. I know. Cracked you up. Every time. I know. It makes me laugh. But you know, today we have the, we have a lot of advantages and we have the ability to learn and do this kind

of stuff. And then you produce like healthier, I guess, more self-aware children. Yeah. You know, but it's just a result. Hopefully. I hope we don't, we don't, we didn't produce just that. Well, now we have to equip them to actually like be able to stick up for their own belief systems Totally and be able to be immersed in this world where everybody's trying to know my biggest fear is that like we're totally wrong And we think we're so right and we just make a bunch of fucking mushy-ass kids Fucking that can communicate so well there with but they're fucking weak as fuck. We get invaded, nobody can fight or nobody can do anything. Here's a good example.

Here's a good example. Okay, here's because the environment has changed radically, so things have to change. Here's a great example. When my dad grew up, you got a big trouble if you didn't finish your dinner. Like you didn't eat your dinner. Yeah, I know. Like your dad will hit you across the table. Or if you didn't eat it dinner. Like you didn't eat your dinner. Yeah, I know.

Like your dad will hit you across the table, okay? Or if you didn't eat it, guess what you're eating tomorrow or the next day, we'll let you eat it. We don't know if we're gonna have food. That's why. Don't be an asshole. That's why, because if you are, if food is hard to come by and you're feeding your four year old, and you know.

That's why that made so much sense. That's why that made so much sense. And like, I don't like it. If you're old enough that you had parents that went through the great depression and some of that. I mean, I always tell that story. I heard't like it. If you're old enough that you had parents that went through the Great Depression, I always tell that story. I heard Dave Ramsey tell about his dad. Imagine because my dad was a carpenter, my stepdad was a carpenter also.

And to think like, oh my God, imagine why my stepdad pulling old nails out. To save them. To save them, to reuse them. That just seems so crazy. It's like Penny's, you know what I'm saying? Why would you do that? But you grew up in the Great Depression.

You might have to. Well bro, if your food is hard to come by and your four year old is picky, you're like, I don't care. I'm forcing you to eat this food because you need it. You need the food. And we might not eat three times. Or you're gonna be malnourished.

Is what's gonna happen. Nowadays, you have to teach your kids how to choose, how to have a good relationship with food. That's what gets them survived. Now, what you need to teach your kids now is how to not become super unhealthy with all this crazy food that's around back then. It was like, you just gotta eat with this in front of you.

Yeah, well it's so funny because like the virtues were different too. Like, that's the same. I just get in this with my mom all the time because she's very like thrifty. You know, and we'll go to like a bargain barn and thrift stores and still buy just junk. And I'm like, mom, this is trash. You know, like, can go to like a bargain barn and thrift stores and still buy just junk. And I'm like, mom, this is trash.

You know, like, can you just buy something that's actually like packaged in new? You know, and give it to my kids. No, it's just trash. Bro, my mom. It's like, I found it. You know, like, she's all excited. Like, it's like a hunt. Like, she thinks it's like a treasure hunt. You know, I'm like, you're treasure hunting and people's trash.

Yeah. That's what this is. You know, I went to my you're treasure hunting and people's trash. Yeah, I like that. That's what this is. You know, I went to my parents house either night. And my parents, you know, they grew up in whatever certain way. But then eventually they worked hard, middle class, everything's fine, right? But I go to my parents house and they're for dinner and I open her, you know, the cupboard where the glasses are. And they see all these little glasses, like, look like little glasses, right?

But they have like threading on the top or like a cap or going, they're mason jars. Bro, there's like, there's like 10 of them. I'm like, Ma, what are these? Reusing mason jars. What are these glasses? It's like, oh, I buy these yogurts and then you know, you just, you wash them like we have little glasses now.

Bro, we use, I'm like, why are you saving these glasses? I have 100%. What? Bro, anything, if you guys, like, like, even like, and my stepdad used to love that, what is that, that pickled vegetables, you've ever seen that before,

like they're like, they're like, carry it, so they're like, yeah, they're in a jar, like those were glasses for us, they're like, you bought that, you ate the fucking shit that's inside of it, we wash it out, and now that's glass, dude. My mom used to wash. My mom used to wash

Disposable like forks and spoons and knives She'd wash him and and I finally shamed her and all of our all of our It's not for the climate everybody Blast it's a classic cups were like the super-sized McDonald's things. Yeah, yeah, you buy in dollar 90 back there It was a dollar probably for a just super-sized guy. You kept that plastic cup you get a lot of uses out of that thing I told you guys wash him until the fucking decals I told you guys a story about washing when I went to the grocery store my grandfather when I was a kid We're buying vegetables

We went to go buy vegetables which already annoys him chips Yeah, he's already annoyed he's buying vegetables because he grows a zone right so he's already mad He's buying something. Why don't we just eat the ones we have? Why do we have to get these other ones? He's complaining a whole time and he gets the vegetables and he pulls out I don't know where they called they're not pliers the kinds like the pruning Scissors pruning scissors. Yeah, pruning scissors. Yeah, he pulls it out of his pocket like no, no, what are you doing? And he goes I'm not paying for the stems and he starts cutting the stems off the vegetables and leave him there while he puts the In the bag to weigh that weight It's so ganked. You to gonna add up. I'm like would you say like 25 cents?

You know, you know, whole bag is fine. So we don't eat the stems. Why are we? Why do we cut the well? Tricks, you know, I know speaking of speaking of genetics. I was laughing the day because my two year old my excuse my nine month old she found her voice and looks like she takes after my son of a family. So, guys, you're loud. Wow. Oh, my God. She just sits there and screams. Poor Jessica, can't get a break.

She can't. She can't. You have a break. She can't. So, because she doesn't like loud noise. My wife is a quiet. She likes quiet. She likes to house be peaceful.

And I grew up in chaos and loud, and nobody in my family knows how to talk without yelling. It's just the way we are. And I'm one of the loudest ones in my family. And of course, I have two kids with her and both of them are loud. And I'm like, sorry, honey. My daughter's sitting on the floor.

Ah! Ah! Ah! And I'm looking at my wife, I'm sorry, honey. I'm sorry. She's just like, this is all shell shock. Yeah. Just like, oh. I told her, I want to wear it. I told her, I life, I'm sorry, I don't even know. She's just like, this all shell shock. Yeah, just like, oh, I told him, I wanted to wear it. I told her, I literally, this was serious.

I said, why don't you wear like head phone, like, you're a month, you know? She's like, isn't the bother my early? Well, I don't know, I'll tell you about it. Everybody's laughing now. Nothing we could do about it. Anyway, so Adam, I wanted to make a comment and just get back at you for something.

So one long time ago, we did this great live event. And there's this unspoken agreement that when we show up, we all dress casual, no, casual. And then you showed up and you look sharp. And we were so mad. You all decked out. Yeah. Here I am.

I'm Adam, you know, these three pieces. Adam and the guy. And then today I didn't get the memoir like you did. Slack and sun. We got our state and liberty shirt. Hey, I'm gonna get the guys over at state and liberty because they sent over a box of nice shirts that y'all are wearing right now,

but your boy doesn't fit in their sizes they sent to me. So I'm a double XL and all those shirts. So they're shirts. You're so big. Hey, I mean, I wish I could wear that little medium that you got on right now. But everybody make fun of me even more. Like I'm trying too hard if I wore something like that.

I like it painted on. Yeah, I'm a two X in there. And they're sure. I love their stuff. This is a dress. This is like a really nice kind of dress shirt. Great. The material, you know, obviously,

can't see on the camera. But it's like almost feels silky. But everything's tapered because the material, you know, obviously you can't see on the camera, but it's like, almost feels silky. But everything's tapered, because the problem that I have, you got definitely Justin and you have, if you work out your broad shoulders, small waist, you buy a dress shirt, if it fits your shoulders and arms, it looks like a dress on your waist. But everything is made for- Parachute that comes down. Everything's made for athletic builds.

So I go off the rack with the suit, everything fits on. I mean, it's made for that, right? So that's what I love, that's what I loved about the kind of, I tell you what, one of the other things I love about these guys. So I, the audience knows I'm going to talk so like all of our partners and works out a lot of these deals and stuff. The deal maker. That's gonna see if that sticks. It will.

So, you know, I always tell them, I always recommend for them to do things like this. And it's only a few that ever do it. I don't know why, but I'm so excited about what they do. I always recommend for them to do things like this and it's only a few that ever do it. I don't know why, but I'm so excited about what they are doing over there. So they're doing a giveaway. And like, I'm like, one of the best ways

that you guys can get leads from the audience is to do great giveaways. Instead of us always just talking about the same stuff all the time is put together some cool giveaways. And so they're like, all right, that sounds awesome. What can we do? So we're doing a giveaway with them, which is, I think this is probably one

of the best giveaways. Wait, is that real? Is that really the giveaway? Yeah, this is, so that's crazy. It's four days, three nights at our park city place. State and Liberty is paying for it. So four days, three nights at park city. In addition to that, a $2,000 gift card

to go shopping there. Just to go on a little. That's a fitted suit or as times of shirts and slacks that you could fit. That's a hook up, right? And the house alone. Yeah, you're talking about when you combine the price of the place of Park City and all that, that's like a $4,000, $5,000 giveaway. Yeah.

So, for people who don't know, we have a place in Park City that is... It's a prime rib every day. It's optimized for fitness and health individuals. It's a nice place, it's a movie theater, the whole deal. There's a gym in the garage, sauna, cold dip. You can take advantage of red light therapy, the beds are optimized. The Boozzy steam room. It's literally optimized for...

By the way, the Fit Help people. Movie theater and the arcade, steam room. It's literally like optimized for- By the way, the Fick Help people, at movie theater and the arcade just got there. Oh, yeah, so we got one of those like old school where you sit table top ones. Table top ones. It's got like 50 of like the old school like galactic. I even got a chance to go there and play. I go, I fly out next weekend.

Yes, I used to play that at a few, like the low, pizza place, pizza place. And then there's a A&W root beer, like actual like burger joint. Yes, that had that. It was like a Pac-Man. It's a game in Frogger.

Yes, I played that game. One of the three games. One of the feedbacks from the Utah property that we've gotten from people is the absolutely look. So we've also, when you get there and you arrive, aside from getting some cool mind pump goodies and stuff, there's also like a list of all the things that we love to do, restaurants, drinks, things like that.

And people are starting to do that and follow the list. And that's been some of the most positive feedback. And the idea of this place for the audience is I just want to keep making it better and better. So the audience gives us feedback. Oh, that'd be cool if it had this, or if you guys told us about that. Like, as anything else that we've done in this business,

I promise for it to evolve and improve. It's already a sick place, but I mean, I really want more and more people to give the feedback on what else it could have or what else could make it better. But right now it's pretty like a piece. These three eggs of like your photo shoot. Well, yeah, from swings. You know, no, no.

Oh, yeah, actually. Well, so okay, so you just strategically place them. So originally when we did this, right, this is giving the audience a little behind the scenes, like conversations, like, so we had no idea, we hired a property management team to manage that, right? So we pay a company to help advertise it and help fill it, because we didn't know what the power of the podcast or, you know, it's a location. How many people would actually go and book it out, not knowing. So we did that partnership. We signed a deal for a year.

Well, come to find out 98% of all bookings are through the show. So because of that, we didn't like really hardcore mind pump. Full mind pump. Yeah. Alpha the house, but I think that you're going to see that for those that have already been there, that return. Like we're going to that for those that have already been there that return Like we're gonna continue to put more maybe Easter eggs and cool like mind pump stuff in the house because it was more Neutral because we're like this will be really weird if you don't know about the show and you book and you're like who the fuck are these guys?

Our knees Piction himself in the house and somebody that is weird like these guys So we don't start chocolate. No, but it's I would say Justin's cheese Can he cheese anymore? Probably gonna air before the food sense the food sense Yes, it will yeah You'll find out why Justin ain't eating the cheese anymore. And why he's so sad at the moment.

I'm angry. Are you? That's because you don't have any other feelings that you don't express between sad and happy. Sad is just angry. Yeah, like, did you turn it into that immediately? By the way, the, if you're interested in this contest,

which is crazy, if you want, if you want to enter to get that four days, three nights in the $2,000 gift card, we made a link, it's stateandliberty.com-foreslash-mindpump, and then it'll tell you kind of what you need to do there. Did you ever watch the Balco thing? I know Justin did. I watched a lot of it.

So I was, I'm very familiar with the whole thing. That was when I was into that whole space. So I remember Victor Conti, I remember snack supplements, the MA, the clear, which was what was called TM something. There's their steroids that they made that that was technically legal. I remember the whole deal. Mary and Jones, I remember all this crazy, crazy binge. So, so, you know, it's unfortunate. And I want to know if you thought you guys feel the same way too. You know, of course, like he, I mean,

a drug is named through the mud, right? And he's the guy who did Balco. And he's, so he ruined baseball with some people will say, like, I mean, people that just, he resurrected baseball. I, 100%, that's so crazy. I know, it's uncomfortable to say that, but it's true. It's true.

I mean, there's some people that get really upset about, I mean, here's the thing too, like everybody was doing it. You know what I'm saying? That's another part that you don't really like, like unless you understand or your part have been around enough of these professional athletes, like they've been doing it for a long time, he just found a better way to do it.

And what sucks is that because of all the negative stuff that came with getting caught with all that, it actually unfortunately didn't highlight his brilliance as far as like a program. Like somebody who, like, that was one of the things I was most fascinated with. Nutrition and nutrition like pro. Okay. I get it.

You took some of the best athletes in the world and and you use and they when championships. Okay. So most people look at that and go like, oh, but when you take somebody who's already peaking and already like doing all the practice, doing all of stuff and get them to break world records and get them to move I mean it's like you it's like the analogy you bring up about everybody thinks it's so easy to be a billionaire Just because you started off with a a million or a hundred million like no, it's not. It's harder. It's harder It's it's that person taking a taking a second off of a six-sexy second quarter mile is so hard

Taking a second off of a 15 second quarter mile, not the hard one, right? That's right. Or taking a kid who's just like started training and improving their training. You could double my speed in the sprint very easily. Right, because there's no ever going back. But if you were, you've been, this is 20 years, and you're doing that, like getting an extra second

is incredible. So what's unfortunate is the loss of like, how brilliant. He didn't just put them on steroids. No. is the loss of like how brilliant. He didn't just put them on steroids. He did their diet, he did nutrient testing. He was testing signs of overtraining. Like way ahead of the game, here's what I didn't know. And I didn't know it because I'd assumed it. I don't know, he wasn't a doctor.

For years and years, I thought Victor Conti was a doctor. He's not, at all. He's just a smart dude. Yeah, that's it. And another reason why I learned on the fly. And another reason why I think it's kind of crazy. You know why I thought he was a doctor? Cause the old commercials for snack, ZMA, ZMA ZMA ZMA.

He's the world's last time. He wore a lab coat. That's the old school hustle dude. Yeah, and he had the mustache. If we do a video where we put you into lab coat, yeah, we do that. Like as a tongue and cheese. Yeah, it's an immediate authority graph.

If you have books behind you and you wear your lab coat. That's the Tai Lopez. Yeah, he's got his Lamborghini in the garage with a bunch of books. Like, who puts their books in the garage? Dude, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. I know, so I know. You have all comic books behind me, you know?

But I did geek out on seeing how he, like the way he programmed them for their breaking the records was just absolutely. It was so ahead of its time. Everything was programmed together. And that's what it takes to get someone who's that good a little bit better. It's just insane. And I feel what it takes to get someone who's that good, a little bit better. It's just, it's insane.

And I feel like everybody now follows that protocol, but that was what, to me, of all the stuff in that documentary, that was what I was like that. They put the most attention on the steroid that he did. But the reality, I'm gonna say something very controversial. The reality is of all the things he did, that single factor probably, if you combine all the other factors in comparison

against the steroids, probably play the smaller. Exactly my point. And you could have gave the same steroids to a thousand other coaches. By the way, they were all on steroids. Yes, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. You could give that the same steroids stack

that he was, you know, the secret, clear stuff that he was giving to his people to all these other professional coaches and trainers and doctors that would be prescribing to other professional athletes and they wouldn't see the same results. So here's an uncomfortable fact that people aren't like. All the people that you see that perform at crazy

ridiculous levels, if you took them all off steroids, they would still perform at crazy, incredible levels. They still, you still wouldn't come close. Like genetic freak. Yeah, like Ronnie Coleman was Mr. Olympia for, I don't know, eight times. Okay, he was, the craziest look, body goes all look crazy, but Ronnie Coleman, even till now, you just look at him,

you're like, what the hell? He was top 10 Mr. Olympia natural. Yeah. Natural. So naturally, he got to a place that none of us in this room could ever get to with all the drugs in the world We would never even come close and that's where he was natural then he then he finally took star was maybe came Mr. Olympia's yeah, but just just flex wheeler was the same way too flex wheeler's flex

We've had one of the most amazing epic physics you've ever seen in bodybuilding natural for most of his career It gets down steroids later on and then blows everybody out of the water. It's crazy Oh, yeah speaking of sort of the water. It's crazy. Oh, yeah. Speaking of sort of iconic characters, did you guys know that Andrew was telling me this earlier that Disney actually might be, I guess, I don't know what the term would be, but like releasing Mickey Mouse might be up basically

for the public domain. What? Because actual Mickey Mouse? Yeah, because copyright, I guess, it only goes up to like 95 years and then becomes public domain. Oh? Because actual Mickey Mouse? Yeah, because copyright, I guess, it only goes up to like 95 years and then becomes public. Oh, I didn't know that. And so Steamboat Willie was like the first video

that they can't reapply. So Mickey Mouse had, you know, was part of, is that's the only one that's gonna be basically owned still by you? They have to have like the first right to refuse all the first right to renew, right? That's gotta be. Right, Doug to refusal the first right there's got to be some to renew right that's got to be right Well, I believe there's a time frame that you can have a copyright for so Andrew is talking about it

It's the steamboat willy version which is that character is going into the public domain apparently. Yeah, well that's because it's your original one Yes, and then the next one will be what five more years later. Well, yeah, it'll certainly work. It's way, I would think. Yeah. Yeah. At some point, I suppose that one will go into the public as well. You see, but the question I have for you is, so is it, uh, do they, can they not like renew that again? Or is it like, now it's, it's free? There might be a limitation. There might be a limitation. I would, it seems ridiculous, though. If you created something like that, you should have, you know, that's like the whole identity. Yeah.

Well, that's okay. So I think there's two pieces here. One, I something like that, you should have, you know, the whole identity. Well, that's okay. So I think there's two pieces here. One, I'd like that there's limitations on copyrights because that opens up the market and you don't want things to be indefinite. However, I do, yes, you don't want that. You don't want a drug or a product to always be owned, but at some point you want things to go generic

to become way cheaper drugs. Well, yeah, there's a difference between drugs or formulating a formula. Well, that's somebody's creative idea. Right, I was gonna say, I wrapped in their business. I was gonna say, I think this may be in a different category to where, now if they created it and they did nothing with it

for nine to five years, I don't think they'd have a case. But the fact that they continue to run their business is still part of the brand, I bet you they'll be able to take it to a court and say, hey, look, this is still a big part of our brand. Yeah. In fact, this is the crux of our company. I would imagine, right?

Yeah. And they probably would get this. That's what I would imagine. That's what I was like. Like, man, you're losing Mickey Mouse. Like, that would be crazy. Yeah, so I wonder what, like, and then what it would cost. Like, they, they, like, it's probably a,

oh, fucking money grab, right? It's like, it's probably a way like, well, you have to go based off of what the value of it now, it's $10 trillion. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, you can keep it. It's $10 trillion. Are you looking for some drugs?

You can do something, okay, yeah, what's it say? No, Disney cannot renew the copyright for Mickey Mouse. The copyright will expire by law in 2023. Disney cannot obtain a Mickey Mouse copyright extension. However, Disney owns trademarks for Mickey Mouse. So trademarks is not copyright. I have the definition of the US copyright law. So US copyright laws grant the creator of content ownership for 95 years, which means famous works eventually enter the public domain.

Legally, they means anyone can now copy and reproduce the 1928 version of Mickey Mouse without permission. Right. But there's also trademarks for Mickey Mouse, which means you're limited. Can you use the name? Yeah, so you're probably going to see us tumble up on the T-shirt to trademarks for Mickey Mouse, which means you're limited. Can't use the name. Yeah, so you're probably gonna see us tummo-bully porn out there. T-shirts and crazy.

What did you say? What did you say, Steve? Look out for Steve, but Willie porn. That's all I'm saying. I hate to break this to you, but I probably already said. So basically, that's all, like the biggest thing that could happen right now is I can make a T-shirt with steamboat. I can make a t-shirt with steamboat. I can make a t-shirt with steamboat willy on it. I can't even say Mickey Mouse though, but I can just

put him on a shirt and then sell the shirt. Can I just say something real quick? Is that okay? Is that okay? Wouldn't that be the coolest nickname to have if you were a dude? Like, oh, that's steamboat willy over there. It sounds pretty awesome, doesn't it? Where did it come from? What's the origin? Oh, it's the cartoon. No, I, yeah, but where did they get it from? I'm sure it's named after somebody or something. Well, he was on a steamboat first off. Well, that's, yeah. He was shot.

That's what we have here. I didn't catch up part of it. The other way Doug is captain, obviously. Well, hey, you're asking me how else would I know? I mean, I'm familiar with the video, right? Him whistling and he's got the, and he's on the steamboat. But I'm sure the Willie Park came from it's probably named after yeah, it's probably named after a character What I just I just learned about something that was named after a character. I was surprised I think I shared it with you guys on how it was. Yeah, okay, so the title of the film may be a parody of buster Keaton's film steamboat

Bill Jr. Oh I got have no idea what that is okay interesting. That's cool old time old time you stay old time. Oh, I have no idea what that is. Okay. Interesting. That's cool. Old time, old time, old time. Yeah. That's my grandfather. So I guess that we really, I mean, it makes for good news and conversation, but it really doesn't matter. It's not, I mean, it's not, let's be honest. Can you buy a t-shirt now made in China with a picture of making mouse on here? Yeah, right. You just said, yeah, Mickey Mouse or something like that. I don't think you, I mean, maybe Doug's more into the copyright stuff for us. Not see me trade more on the back end.

I mean, if you're a company and you, there's gotta be a number like where it makes sense, right? If someone was using your stuff, like for example, like people always ask to if someone's using like our stuff, like I really don't care unless someone was making probably millions of dollars off, literally like biting off our stuff. Otherwise, it's just like, it's just free promotion.

Yeah, free promotion. I would think the same thing would be for a brand like the knockoff version basically. Yeah, like Budwaz, like, do you really care? Someone's like made a few thousand dollars off of like your branding. Like, I feel like that's, you don't, you don't, you don't depends. Yeah. I would say it depends. At most, you say to, maybe you send a cease and assist to scare them. Yeah, but you're not gonna file you're not gonna go you're

not gonna hire lawyers over. Yeah, I don't see that hurting business. I don't need it. I want to ask you guys. Did you guys try yet and they're gonna make me mad if you say no. So careful. Did you guys try the performance deck? The organify performance deck? You mean just the pure and the pure plus the peak performance? No, I haven't done to get it. So, I mean, I've done them like- Got to do them together, dude. I know, you said that.

I know you said that. It's like drugs. I'm sorry. That's a terrible commercial. It's you for it. It's crazy. You take it. The combination feels incredible.

You, is a you would have never been on TV, dude. I know. Could you imagine? I know. Look at Ad, we lose partners like on have never been able to be TVed. I know. Could you imagine? I know. Look at Ad, we lose partners on a weekdays. We're gonna fight.com. It works that good. It's like drugs.

No, stop, stop it. No, you just, it's a wonderful combination. It is so energetic and euphoric. It's one of my favorite stocks that I've ever taken. So I actually caught, so Ethan grabbed the peak performance and he actually used that when I was gone and told me Larry's, like, Dad, hope you don't mind, but I tried some of the key. That's catching it.

Yeah. Do you like it? He loved it. Of course. Yeah, he loved it. He was like, going off about, what dude, he, again, I've been battling him about when he's hanging out with his friends with the G Fuel and all this other nonsense that they're all drinking whatever.

Oh, are they all drinking that? Oh my God, he killed me. All that stuff in the prime and all those caffeinated drinks that are out there. But we've had a lot of discussions about it. He's been really good about like kind of like navigating through all that, but he still occasionally will have some caffeine. So he was asking me all about it, because at first, like, and this is, again, element, he was another one that we were kind of like trying to discuss on when to take it and

all that when he's doing a lot of activities outside and he's sweating a lot. So he was asking a lot of health questions like the peak performance and all that and stuff. What do you notice from it? So, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, calm down. Like it's, again, like that's, my first thing is like, okay, you're way too young, you don't need any stuff, but yes, there's a quite no fact. Do middle schools in high school like allow kids to have, walk around with like rock stars and energy drinks.

There's no specific banning. I mean, there's no, I don't know. Is there no real concern around that? I mean, you just got a 200 million gram. I know I saw the news on prime, I know prime's getting highlighted right now and like going through some shit with like a lawsuit But I mean they're no different them. They need they need to they need to put on drinks limitations because caffeine is deadly

Again, so you fare about the peak before it's not that much no you can't I was like three scoops. It's gonna. He got some caffeine. He just did one. So yeah, yeah, but I I Specifically told him to dose it so that you could go low caffeine right exactly But I mean like it's not that like I didn't even get introduced to coffee till I was 15 or 16. Well, coffee is disgusting. It was black coffee as a kid. It was a black coffee.

I had sugar and sugared up like crazy. Yeah, I had cream. Yeah, so I didn't have. But I mean, I got in. It was when I started working the dairy at four in the morning before school. So it was like, that was the only necessary. Yeah, I started drinking coffee till I started working in a restaurant.

And I was just, I would just get in there and I remember one night before I'd stay away too late and then one of the cooks was like, oh, I gotta get some coffee and like, I don't know, tried it and then I didn't like it really, but it worked and I was like, wow, it's worked. So that association went nuts after that. I wonder how many parents are actually really paying attention

to this. I think so too. I mean, it's a drug. Caffeine is a very, very powerful drug. It's a very addictive drug. I see how hard it is and it gets ahold of me as a grown-ass adult that's aware of it. I can't imagine.

You know, boys, they're competitive and they're just shit. And it feels good. So yeah, you got to calm them down. My first experience with caffeine, this is like, I was a sneaky ass kid. We had a big family party and we always give espresso. It's like part of the like you have your dinner and you have your espresso and everybody had espresso

and everybody left just a little bit of espresso on the bottom and it's always where the sugar is. There's like a little sugar left. So I was like, my cousins and I used to get together as nine boys and we always play tag or hide and see, it was like our favorite game. But when we get crazy, like we're 10 year old, so we'd hide into cars and the sewer,

we'd jump out of the tree, it was crazy, it was fun, real fun. But I went around the table and I picked up all these little espresso glasses that had a little bit of espresso and I drank a bunch of them because they had the sugar and I remember, like I beat everybody that day in tag, dude. I was just, I'm fire jumping over cards, it's too crazy. And I remember thinking I beat everybody that day in tag dude. I was just I'm fire jumping over cards to crazy shit.

And I remember thinking it was a sugar. Yeah. And I didn't until later realize like, oh, I had caffeine. That's what that's what gave me all that. I you know, I'm surprised that we haven't read anything that shows some sort of correlation with the rise of ADHD and kids in the last technically decade and decade and a half.

Technically caffeine would help. Yeah, that's like, like, riddle. Not contribute to it. Yeah, it would help it. Really? Yeah, because real ADHD, there's a lot of stuff into it. Okay, but part of how you treat it would be to increase dopamine. Caffeine does that. So people with ADHD. Okay, but I feel like kids are are getting diagnosed you hear this many times I've heard multiple parents say that you know a teacher has told them oh your kid can't sit still in class this and that I think you I

Mean could that not be because the kids drinking fucking red bulls or drinking these energy drinks And he's having to sit in a classroom for hours all day. I mean, I can only imagine if you gave me a rock star and then maybe a kid with no ADHD, just a normal kid. So what I'm saying is that, maybe they're just like, how do we know it's not contributing? Yeah, exactly, contributing to the misdiagnosis of these kids, and then they go,

it also goes to sleep out of our own. In my opinion, here's what's more likely is that kids are not getting good sleep because they're on their devices. And or if they have caffeine, they get to sleep. No, they happen to play and video games with each other until the cows come home and drink these drinks

to keep it going. So yeah, that's the problem. Dude, one more thing I want to ask you, Justin, did you see the article on what they're doing with the Loch Ness Monster? Oh, I saw it. So they're just tagging myself. Yeah, somebody just tagged me that they're doing

a full on search, the biggest search ever. Why? Like, what's promoted? Is this because all the alien stuff coming out, they're like, well, maybe everything's real. Yeah. Well, no, I think it's because there's a certain, two, there's like an European type eel and a certain fish that they think

maybe in the lock. They've said that. Yeah. But I, when I was a kid, this is the hierarchy of conspiracy theory stuff that I was into, okay? You started with a lockness monster. It started at aliens was at the top. Bigfoot was close.

Second, well you were in the woods. Yeah, that's because you were in the woods. So bigfoot and aliens were close, but it was aliens, bigfoot, lockness monster. And then it was like, moth man and all that weird shit. But it was just enough no-sort. What about Mobile Level Ben Bay? Yeah.

Or Mobile Level Ben Bay. Yeah, that's the dinosaur that found me. Supercom Bra was there too for a second. But it was, it was Loch Ness Monster was third. And I loved reading about the Loch Ness Monster. So I went there without telling you or no? With there. Yeah.

I had a shirt too. So, yeah. Well, well, I had a shirt, too. So, well, Ness, if a pleasy of sorrows still existed today, thank you. So I'll top the knowledge. Come on, dude. Yeah. Because that's what it could get trapped. There's a very deep lake. That's right. Yeah. It's one of the deepest in the world. Here he is. Yeah, dude. What is he eating, though? Yeah.

Like, let's, we got to talk about that. Like, okay, it's got to be something. Because so, yeah, so before that, they really thought about that. Like, okay, it's got to be something because so yeah So before that they really thought they had found it too, but it turns out it was like a man-made like submarine thing Yeah, they were using the brain that they eventually used so they found the bottom But I mean they try to keep that that legend that lore alive there and it's funny because it's it's all tongue in cheek It's in Scotland, right? Yeah, it's a Scotland. Yeah, and I've been there actually twice now. And it's that look at Pleasiusaurus. I want Adam to see this is what beautiful this is a theory.

This is the big theory. Okay, let's get me up to see the animal that they see, the creature that has been popping up in the lock for, I don't know how many years, over a hundred, you're more longer. Yeah. Uh, is a, a non is a still alive. Is the lock, is the lock the name of the body of the water? Yes, okay. Yeah. Is a non is a still live. Is the lock is the lock the name of the body of the water? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So there's also an Iceland too that I found out when I was there. There's

another like it lake there that they had seen. And to Michigan or somewhere in the Midwest as well. There's there's another like famous. Is there? Yes, there's another famous sort of sea monster thingy kind of. So that's a place. Pleasiusaurus and that's a weird picture. They're much bigger than that. That's a stupid picture. But they're big, long neck and carnivorous. So that'd be cool. My favorite theory was that when you see a whale flipped upside down,

the whale penis. It's mating. It looks just like the head of a nancy, but it's really just this penis. So maybe there's a whale penis in the lock. Yeah. Which would be also crazy. A whale.

Why? Why are you in the lock? Why is that there? That's crazy. Explain that. Yeah. So we got a shout out for today. Yeah.

I want to shout out my friends. He just started a new music project and he's like a good friend of mine and it's really awesome. It's like all the office. So the show, the office, he took like the theme songs of all these. Oh, that was your friend metal.

I saw you, one of my good friends, like from college, like best friends and like he literally would never put anything out. He's like, well, those those guys it makes like amazing things. He's super talented, but we'll never share it with anybody. You know, and so he just put it out there on Spotify. So they're called the Scranton Stranglers. So it's, it's something hilariously awesome and he's super talented and go follow.

Now what's, what's the, okay, we are just talking about copyright trademarks of today. Like, what's the legal, like, he's kind of squirting that out. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll find out when we get him popular. I don't know if he's, like, he's not making money off of it, so I think that's where he's okay,

but I don't know how that's gonna play out. Maybe like, maybe he'll do it, but then he'll ice them. Remember when, when he, ice ice maybe, he's out of the body, gets arrested, gets, has one extra beat, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, ding, ding, ding, ding, it's a rest it gets one extra beat ding ding ding ding

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Favorite exercise and drills to activate your glutes? Activate your glutes. Right. Like, you don't like the episode you're getting up. Yeah, we did. Okay, so unless you have, if you're an normal person, average person, you don't have trouble connecting to your glutes or feeling your glutes. The best exercises are the ones that everybody talks about, right? Barbell squats, dead lifts, ruminine dead lifts.

Those are phenomenal, but building exercises, lunges, those are good too. Now, if you have issues connecting to glutes or your quad dominant, like you do squats or your quads respond, but your glutes don't respond so much, then hip thrusts are phenomenal because they really do help people activate, connect and stimulate their glutes for muscle growth. activate connect and you know stimulate their glutes for muscle growth. So I would say for some for this person asking, it sounds to me like you may have issues getting your glutes to respond. You may be you know, quad dominant in that sense. Then I would say let, uh, hip thrust, hip thrust, or the best for that. So I would answer that as if this question was more what's the best exercise, if I have a hard time playing it, but if you're asking for the best drills, I think of priming stuff, right?

So I'm sure what comes to mind for me, which by the way is in the same vein as what you're saying, which is, I would say a floor bridge, I think one of the bat and isometric hold the top in a floor bridge is one of the best ways to teach a client how to activate and feel their glutes. And so I would do say five of those, right? Five isometric holds at the top. How long do you have them holding for at the top? Five seconds. Just squeeze the hard.

Yeah, squeeze real hard for five seconds. We let it come all the way down, back up, hold five seconds, intensify back down. Five times. Intense as you can make it. That's right, yeah, yeah. Real intense. Squeezing it as hard as you can, it. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Real intense squeezing it as hard as you can. I mean, if they do a good job of that,

sometimes people actually get sore just from that. Yeah. So if you do a good job as a coaching trainer, you cue that, you get them to feel that. And then they go into a more traditional movement that is that is primarily for your glutes, but they have a hard time feeling it like, let's say, you know, dead lifts or squats or something like that. So, that would be my go-to move. And what it does is it just, all it does, it's not like activating fibers differently or

anything like that. Really what it does is it just allows you to connect and feel what the glutes should feel like when they're activated. So then what it does is it, it ever so subtly encourages a change in your form and technique. So then you can move in the squat in a way there. Oh, there's my glutes. I can feel them now. Now the squats are hitting the areas that I want. You gave a great example in the upcoming Brett Contreras interview that we did, which is

like it's just like when you had a client and you couldn't get them to retract their shoulders to squeeze their mid back and you put your finger in their back. I mean, you putting your finger in their mid back doesn't activate any fibers. Wasn't that their back wasn't firing or anything like that. You just, you gave them some sort of physical feedback. Yeah, feedback. So they understand they make a better connection of like, oh, that's what it should feel like.

That's basically what you're doing with that floor bridge is you're squeezing that glute at the top of the hip extension. And you're like, oh, those exercises, dead lips and squats is a hip extension, right? So that's what that movement is. You're just showing them like, this is how you should feel that at the end of the hips and then just helps that client make a better conscious.

Yeah, one more thing to add, if this is a weak body of part for you, and this is true for anybody who has a body part that's lagging, start your workouts out with focusing on that body part. It makes such a big difference. So much of the adaptation goes to the exercises you start your workout with versus the ones you end with

that if this is a body part of focus for you, your leg workouts should start with glute focus, your or your full body workouts should start with glute focus and then move on to the rest. Or the pencil test. Pfft. Next question is from Jonathan Sash. should start with glute focus and then move on to the rest. Or the pencil test. Next question is from Jonathan Sash. What tips and advice do you have for the behind-the-head

barbell shoulder press? I love this. So this exercise went from being super popular to becoming super demonized. So now it's somewhere in the middle. Okay, so it's a shoulder press standing or seated, and it's behind the neck. Okay, so it requires better mobility,

control and stability than a traditional overhead press, which already requires a lot of stability and mobility. And this is why it's gotten demonized, because if you've never practiced this exercise or you have shoulder mobility issues, it could definitely be a challenge. The majority, I would say, of people probably are dealing with a bit of shoulder mobility issues and that needs to be addressed. I think it's a very valuable exercise.

I think that there's definitely a way to get there in terms of qualifications. So to be able to retract your shoulders all the way, not being a position where your head's super protruding forward and your shoulders are a bit protracted. So, but in terms of working your way there, it's like a lot of different things, your body's capable of, your body's capable of being stable and strong in a range of motion., your body's capable of, your body's capable of being stable and strong

in a range of motion, it's a valid exercise. So I went on to kick after all my body building meat head training to really working on this because I lacked the ability to do it and then I wanted to regain this. And what it looked like for me was the first thing I focused on was the Z press. And when I Z pressed, I would actually hold

and stabilize at the top, right? So I would press up, I would stabilize top and really getting to where I can pull the shoulder blades back, like Justin's alluding to, started with that. I got better and better at that. Then I moved to the seated behind, like a military press, with just the bar. And I actually would come all the way down.

So I would be sitting down, I'd sit upright, activate my core, I would press, and then I'd actually let the bar actually rest on my traps, like if I was doing a squat. And I'd reset every rep. So I'd come all the way down, let's sit there, and then I would get myself back up with good posture, pull the shoulder weights back up, press it all the way up,

and then I would set it back down again, and every time I'm setting it back down, I'm emphasizing, activating my core, pulling the shoulder blades back, and just getting better and better at that pathway of moving it. So I like the resting between reps and kind of resetting between every, yeah.

So it's cool about the behind the neck press is not a bodybuilding exercise, although bodybuilders popularize it. This is a classic exercise that has been used in Olympic lifting for a long time. Olympic lifters still do this because it helps them with some of their big lifts, and they'll do it in a way to where they're doing it

as a power exercise. It's like, it's exceptional. It's explosive, yeah, it's exceptional. Yeah, it's exceptional. What's different about the behind the neck shoulder press versus in a traditional overhead shoulder press? When you're doing a behind the neck shoulder press, you are really emphasizing, if you do it right,

scapular mobility. If you're working the shoulder joint, there's two things to focus on. There's the humerus, which is the upper arm. And then there's a scapula, right? The shoulder blade that has to work in tandem with the upper arm in order to perform movements. This is the shoulder, this is what makes the shoulder such a versatile, mobile joint. It's what allows us to throw with accuracy and do all kinds of different crazy things. It's because it's so complex. The behind the neck shoulder press

encourages retraction and then upward and downward rotation of the scapula. So if you were to look at someone's back and you look at the shoulder blades, like these flat bones, first off, you have to pull them back and retract them to do the behind the neck shoulder press. Otherwise, you'll hit your head.

And then as you press, you have to be able to outwardly rotate and outwardly rotate and downward rotation of the scapula, while maintaining somewhat of retraction, this is an important part of scapula mobility. Most of us never practice this or train this, so when you do this, it's really, really hard. So start really light. In fact, I recommend people start with a stick.

Thank you. I was gonna deliberately talk about that because that's one of the ways that I would definitely like take somebody through that process is to be able to create tension first and foremost, which is like you grip the bar and you're gonna actually kind of pull a bit outward as you're pulling down towards your back

and then you're gonna maintain and control that tension throughout the entire range of motion. So that way, it just communicates to your body that everything is accounted for and it's stable and secure. And so that way, you're able to produce the amount of adequate amount of force in every inch of that range of motion. Yeah, and I would say to somebody,

SART, super light. Maybe with no weight, you'll still get a pump. People trying to develop their shoulders, do this exercise right instead of heavy, do it with perfect form, which will make the exercise challenging, you will get a dealt pump like nothing else. This is why it's one of my favorite shoulder exercises.

Massive pump. And the motivation to do this, or at least the motivation for me, was not trying to target or hit the shoulders, definitely. It was to improve my mobility. That was the kick that I went on after training like a bodybuilder for so many years was, man, I really shortened my range of motion up on a lot of these movements that are important for shoulder health mobility, right?

So this was like, okay, here's a great exercise. I've lost the ability to do. I want to regain that. So when I'm doing it, yeah, eventually you started with just the bar and then worked the tens and then 20 and then 30 and then eventually got to the point where I could do 185 like that, but it was a long process

and it wasn't focused on weight. It wasn't about, oh, I want to, can I get more and more weight? It was, can I control that really well all the way through 400 and not deviate. You'll notice what will happen is you're going to watch yourself want to naturally arch the back and so that. And so they had jetting forward is a big one.

That's the thing you got to pay for. Yeah, you'll feel the head. And this is why too, again, I like to reset every time. We're wise we kind of how you ever watched Lane train for his deadlift. Like his one rep max, he's constantly like resetting in between each rep instead of like continuous rep after rep. I like because there's so many things I'm thinking about with my core, my head, my shoulders, the scapula.

I like resetting and doing all the things Justin was saying is like thinking about where I'm positioned, I'm pulling kind of across the bar and then like then press again, come down. And set on your trap. Yep, that's the way I like to do it. I don't do it any other way. I don't see any value in fact, doing it any other way.

I set it on my traps, getting position, press up. The pump with lightweight on this is incredible. And the other benefit you're gonna find with your overhead press is just how much more vertical your pressing will get and how much more stabilized you will be with it in the overhead position. Totally. Next question is from just Christina.

Which of your programs is suited to perform during pregnancy? All right, here's a funny thing about pregnancy is you can, the potential is super high for lots of different movements. Now, there are some general things you wanna potentially look out for. For example, split stance exercises start to become difficult when your belly gets in the way. You know, flexion of the lumbar spine becomes impossible. So certain core exercises.

But you could do a lot, and it depends on the individual. Somebody who's really fit, train them self-properly, who knows how to avoid exercises where your literal anatomy starts to get in the way because of a growing baby, you can do almost anything. Okay, but to answer this question, generally speaking, we do have programs that are, like I said, generally,

probably more suited for people going through pregnancy than others, Starter would be the first place I would go. That's what I had Katrina do. Yeah, Starter would be the first place I would go. So I had Katrina do that. Yeah, starter would be the first place I would go. And then second, you know, if you're really fit and you got, you know, how to modify your movement, if you need to, maps in a ball, it could even find.

Well, the good part about maps in a ball, it could do the at home option, which is all dumbbell driven. And so, it's so void a lot of those issues where you're gonna have a barbell that's like, you can't really perform good angles with it as much. You can actually replace that with dumbbells. The real key is what you are doing leading into pregnancy on what I would tell you as a client. You could run maps of static. You could run almost any of our programs. If you were already running them and you had been doing stuff like that leading up into it

And what I always tell my pregnant clients is our goal right now is to maintain the strength that we don't try and hit PR Yeah, I don't want to try and try and yeah, we're not trying to make gains We're not trying to lose a bunch of weight or body weight at all We're not trying to make strength gains like I want to maintain your strength and mobility And so if that means we are following whatever maps program make strength gains, like I want to maintain your strength and mobility. And so that means we are following whatever maps program. I'm going to pretty much keep that going. And I'm not going to really, and then modify just specific movements that, like you said, like a lunge gets hard when you got, you know, seven, seven month,

you know, into your, your third trimester, right, to do certain exercise like that. So I might modify that. But for the most part, you'd be surprised what you do. Where I would tell someone for sure go to starter is if you are just now starting your weight training program and you haven't been training safe for the last year or two years.

Of course, postpartum, I would say. All that's beautiful for that. That's how we kind of introduce it. Once you get cleared, right? Yeah. So here's a couple special considerations. Although it's not across the board, jumping, running, plyometrics starts to become more challenging on your body.

It starts to become more challenging on your core and how your body supports the baby as it's growing. And then single leg exercises, believe it or not, can become an issue for lots of pregnant women because of the torsion at places on the pelvis and because there are the pubic synthesis, it starts to loosen up as hormones come to the body. I think it's called, I think the hormone, I can't remember the name of the hormone, relax, and it's not like that, but it loosens the joints up, makes everything looser. But it can also cause this kind of pubic pain that women will get.

And single leg exercises cause twisting and torgion on that, which can make it worse. So bilateral exercises tend to become more appropriate as you move into the later stages of pregnancy. Next question is from Melanie Jebans. How do you train yourself on the skill of running again? Well, is that a personal question or is that general? Because personally I don't. I don't train with some of that.

Something I should do for sure. Like any skill, you have to start very slow and you have to remember that fatigue is your enemy. If you get tired, the skill is out the window and then it's just, you're by is going to move the way it wants. So how would you approach running if you haven't run in a long time and you want to develop the skill of it? Well, first the best way to do would be to hire a running coach would be ideal.

I actually recommended a few clients to this who really wanted to run and I talked to them about the skill of running and look you haven't run since you were a kid or you got to really figure that out. And I had them hire a running coach who trained them on a track. And it was night and day. Night and day because the running coach, like I am with exercises, the running coaches with running. So they would watch their form and their technique,

they would make sure that they worked on how the coach worked around. Have you ever been coached by a running coach? No, I haven't, but I'm familiar with it and I've seen it. And we've also got places over here in the bay where you could go into, like, I think the place was called Running Revolution where they would actually, they'll video you

while you run on a treadmill and then they'll break it down. And we'll show you, like, oh, look at you have, you know, internal rotation on this side and your heel striking like this. And so, if I was gonna get into running, because running is a sport, okay? Just like CrossFit, it's like, if I was gonna get into the sport of running,

I would take it that seriously, where I'd wanna get assessed and have somebody break down my mechanics and tell me, hey, you have too much of a forward lean. You need to be more upright. You need to work on your right foot. Get the one head around. Yeah, you're straight, you're get off, like all these things, like I actually worked with the reason I asked is I went through like a year, I was trying to get faster, like by

all means necessary to make the football team. And I worked with like a track, just the Santa's a city college right there. I worked with the track team and like we had to go through like so many mechanical drills and things. And it was very specific. Yeah, and I gained, well, I gained, I lost time on my 40s,

so I got down to like a 475, like from like a 4.9s. Well, that's a big jump, and you're an athlete. Yeah, and. Well, that's a big jump, can you add to your athlete? Yeah, and we did a lot of training with resistance, with the pool, and we worked a lot, it was a lot of it for me, it was stride. And so to learn how to really promote that length

and to do it to gather enough, enough ground and to really make a dent in that direction, like took a lot of effort. So it's, it's a definite, my only point to this is a definite skill to your point and it being like a sport, like that's how you gotta treat it. If you don't run and you have it one regularly and you're not good at it because you haven't done it, and you decide to do running as a workout, I'm gonna tell you right now, you're gonna hurt yourself. It's almost guaranteed you're gonna start to compile injuries because it's high impact,

it's repetitive, you're probably gonna do it to fatigue because you're doing it for a workout and you haven't practiced it, you don't have good technique, so you're going to hurt yourself. So if you want to run to work out and you wanna get to the point where you can enjoy, if you ever watch a really good runner, it's like you're jealous, like wow, the person looks like they're just enjoying it,

they feel so good, and so whatever. It's not just the stamina piece, I'm gonna tell you guys right now, gaining the stamina is the easy part. That's gonna be easy. There's other ways you can gain stamina in a week or two. Yeah, you can gain stamina doing lots of other things.

If you want to run for your workouts, you need to treat it like a skill, which means you're not gonna go out and run to work out. It's a sport. You're practicing it. It's so funny. It's like in the more aggressive you get about running, meaning like you do it for miles and miles or an hour plus, you really are you start doing it almost every single day.

It's no different than you deciding all of a sudden you're going to play basketball or football or tennis or anything like that. If you have never been taught how to do any of those sports correctly, the thought also you're gonna play basketball or football or tennis or anything like that and if you have never been taught How to do any of those sports correctly the thought that you're gonna do it well and you're not potentially going to injure It's silly and nobody would think that nobody would think if you have no experience Playing basketball do you think going and and running pick up games like every single day is probably a good strategy Would and to think you won't get hurt. You're probably gonna get hurt. So the running is no different. It's just because it's become so popular.

Well, it's just we value the fatigue, the sweat, and the soreness, and we don't consider it a skill. We just think, because we think, oh, I can run. Well, okay, technically you could do what you, what looks like running, but your technique is so bad that if you do it as a workout,

you're going to hurt. Your knees are going to hurt. It really it. For the 70s, it wasn't a thing. No, you see people running outside. It wasn't a thing. No, there was a book that was written. I can't remember.

It was a born to run. Yeah, born to run. Is that what it was? No, that was one of the ones. That was not the running revolution. Yeah, it's running. It's something like that. Born to run running revolution.

I don't remember. It's like a red tennis ball. But it's in the, it's in the, it was in the seven. Yeah, it started the whole running revolution. Yeah, it's something like that. Like, born around running revolution. I don't remember. It's like a red tennis ball made up. But it's in the, it's in the, it was in the seven. Yeah, it started the whole running revolution. And before that, we didn't even do it. No. So it hasn't been that long. We literally have, like, don't even have a full generation of people that realize that. It's looking. Oh, it was just called the complete book of running. That right there, changed everything. By the way, there's two things. 1977. Well, it's even, so it's like. By the way, there's two things.

1977. It was like the 80s. There's two things. So I love the fitness history. There's two moments in culture that made running become this way people worked out that they just chose. This is what I'm going to do to work out. It was that book. And then it was also the movie Rocky, the movie Rocky. Yes. Like him running and those scenes are so and that's all streets. Yes. Well, it's all around the same time, right? Correct. Early 80s. No, late 70s. Or yeah. And that started a revolution in running before that. Why didn't force come to that? I know. You know, by that point everybody did it. Yeah. They're over it. I know. Look, if you like mine pump, head over

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