Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2156: Ways to Avoid Muscle Loss From Cardio, the Best Way to Reverse Osteoporosis, Tips to Get a Ravenous Appetite Under Control & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:37 Look, one of the biggest mistakes people make when they start a fitness journey or try to lose weight or become more fit and healthy is they rush the process. Look, here's a deal. It's not hard to lose weight. Actually, statistically speaking, people do it all the time. It's keeping it off. That's the problem. Take your time. Now, this doesn't have a lot to do with the body's physiological mechanisms. Really it has to do with the mental part. Big changes are hard to keep around. It's hard to keep them to stick. So take it slow. Taking it slow will improve your odds of maintaining your success.

Starting point is 00:03:14 You know the irony of that fitness tip is that the slower what you would think is the slower way, is actually the faster way. What I mean by that is that it's enormous in the hair. Well, no, like most people who say they want to lose 30 or 50 pounds, they don't just want to lose 30 or 50 pounds off their body.

Starting point is 00:03:31 They want to lose fat. Right. And so they think, okay, if I go really fast, you could lose somebody in a week's time, 10, 15 pounds off of a scale, but it's not going to be all fat. You're going to lose some muscle, you're going to lose water weight in there. And so this idea of like getting that you can go faster than the right way, it's not true. Like the right way is the faster way, although it seems slower

Starting point is 00:03:55 if we just looked at the number on the scale, but the fastest way to lose body fat is a very controlled, balanced deficit and taking your time, where you just carve off body fat and you maintain as much muscle as you possibly can, which seems slow looking at the scale, but it's actually the fastest way to change body fat. It's misleading because you're losing weight and you're losing mass overall, but you're not just specifically targeting body fat

Starting point is 00:04:21 and you're not gonna be in a position where you're revealing your muscles and looking like, you know, you actually work out. Yeah, my famous line was, you know, you want to lose 20 pounds or just cut your leg off, right? Yeah, people always laugh at that, but it's true. I think there's two reasons why this is a challenge. One is for the average person, when they finally get into the state of mind of, okay, I'm going to do this. It's usually because something happened that triggered insecurity. They felt, I don't know, bad about themselves or whatever. And when you get in that state of like feeling bad about I'm gonna do this. It's usually because something happened that triggered insecurity. They felt, I don't know, bad about themselves or whatever.

Starting point is 00:04:47 And when you get in that state of like feeling bad about yourself in that way, you can't wait to change it. You wanna get out of your body, you all of a sudden become aware or allow yourself to become aware of how uncomfortable you are. And so then you don't care what the process is like. In fact, how many times have you heard someone say this? I don't care how I lose it. I just want it off.

Starting point is 00:05:07 I don't worry about keeping it off when I'm done. So that's the first problem. We can address that. But the second issue is that we're not addressing the real challenge. And this is true. The statistics in the data shows us you ask any trainer who's been training people for a long time.

Starting point is 00:05:20 They'll tell you this. Losing weight is easy in comparison to keeping it off. Keeping it off is the real challenge. What stops people from keeping it off? It's all about the mental, psychological piece. It's, can I maintain this lifestyle? You're not gonna make a radical change to your lifestyle and maintain it all at once.

Starting point is 00:05:39 It just doesn't work that way with nothing. Nothing works that way. It has to be a process in which you learn and grow and develop habits and disciplines and slowly embark on this journey until you have accomplished what you want. And then the journey never really stops. But back to the first point, if you approach this with this like, I hate myself, I'm gross, I'm not attractive, I'm inadequate, whatever, yeah, of course you're gonna rush it. You wanna change that as fast as possible. But if you look at and say, I'm uncomfortable, and it's because I haven't really cared for myself,

Starting point is 00:06:10 I'm gonna care for myself now, I'm gonna do this in a way where I'm gonna take care of myself like somebody I care about, then you're probably gonna have a more balanced approach. You wouldn't treat your kid that way, right? You wouldn't look at your kid and be like, that's it, we're radically changing it alive. We would have empathy and be like, okay, let's go step by step and make this, that's it. We're radically changing it alive. We would have empathy and be like, okay, let's go step by step

Starting point is 00:06:26 and make this something that's sustainable. But if we look at it as the sustainability problem and not a, can I get their problem, then I think people approach this in a much more effective way. And you're right, Adam. That's the second part, which is how we sell it, which is also true. The right way is also the fast way.

Starting point is 00:06:45 There's a huge myth that the wrong way is the fast way and the right way is a slow way. Now, the wrong way doesn't work, you won't keep it off, and you're gonna lose a ton of muscle with that process, and then you're gonna end up in this shitty situation where you plateaued after 12 pounds of weight loss, and then you're like, okay, now, now what do I do? Do you think that if we get like tools that give you

Starting point is 00:07:06 real-time data and feedback on what's happening in your body that this will solve some of this problem? Like do you think if your clients knew that like almost hour by hour, day by day, like, oh, today, I, you know, built this much more muscle and all right, lost this much more fat, or I lost this much muscle because I did, you know, do you think that when science gets to that and technology gets to that point? Because I don't think we're that far from getting to this where we get some real-time feedback on

Starting point is 00:07:34 what's happening to your body based off of what you're doing to it at the moment. Like, you know, I mean, even with like glucose monitors, we're getting close to where it's like, we're getting this understanding. Do you think that will change this? Because I think that plays a big role too. I think a lot of times you think your people think they're doing the right things by this approach. And in reality, it's more than they need to a lot of times. It's harder than it has to be. And if they were only getting that feedback of, oh, when I do x, y, and z, this actually results in this. And oh, wow, when I actually just focus on these few things, this makes, and this is easier,

Starting point is 00:08:08 this, do you think that will change? I think if it's in combination with good coach, yes. I don't think it's, oh, you don't think people will be able to interpret this. No, I mean, even if it spells it out to them, it's not automatic. Yeah, I don't think it's an information problem.

Starting point is 00:08:20 I really think it's more of a, like, how do I do this? How am I going to feel? How do I deal with these feelings? How do I develop these new behaviors? So like you brought up the CGMs when regular people or the average person uses CGM The success rate is like they would with an Apple watch or any other device But when you combine it with a coach who they can point to hey, did you feel a particular way at this time? Because I noticed you had this spike in blood sugar and then this drop and then they can make those connections. Then I think we have, now we have a greater success.

Starting point is 00:08:51 So now imagine a coach getting this report from their client and they can literally call them or talk them and say, hey, what did you do this morning? I noticed this thing had, did you feel a particular way and then they can make those connections? What do you think? Yeah, I think it'd be like anything else in terms of motivation waves, because regardless

Starting point is 00:09:07 of the amount of great information that they even visibly see, I think that they would be motivated for a while and then old behaviors and tendencies would kind of creep back and they would sort of ignore, blissfully ignore real data that's like right in front of them. I just don't see people like, unless they're actually like completely, it's their idea and they're like going all in and like they're trying to make a radical lifestyle change. Like I just feel like it will just fall

Starting point is 00:09:37 a lot of the same pattern with all the rest of the tech. We have lots of really good information that tells you specifically. Like here's your patterns and if you just change these things, it's going to have a massive sort of change in your life. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I think it's a bit of the interpretation for people like, even like the CGM, like

Starting point is 00:09:55 the reason why it requires a coach and help like that is because people still are uncertain to what this means. I'm talking like, when we get to the point where you can do, you can change a handful of variables in the day and then literally see the outcome from a body fat percentage muscle gaining, muscle gain, lean, like, imagine how huge that would be. It could be.

Starting point is 00:10:16 And imagine how, I think a lot of people would be stoked on it, but I'm not sure, I don't know, like just the general population I think is, well, okay, so there'll be, there's a part where I somewhat agree with you, right? So there'll be a learning curve of like, it still will require some coaches to explain like, why that happened, right? Because somebody might change two or three variables, if no fucking idea why, why that happened, right? So you'll have to have a coach that says, like,

Starting point is 00:10:40 see, this is what I meant, when you fed the body the way you were supposed to, you hit your protein and it takes like I told you. That's it. You didn't go do two hours of intense cardio, you just strained training. Look at what happened. And see, and then like, now let's run another day back. Or let's test your way.

Starting point is 00:10:55 Let's starve the body tomorrow. Good get on that treadmill, run like crazy. And oh, look, the scale went down, but look at what happened. We lost muscle. And so I think that, and I don't think we're that far from having tools that will give that kind of feedback to people.

Starting point is 00:11:10 And then once the education is there of understanding like what that means, I don't know, I think that could be a big deal. You'd have to have the coach because just imagine this scenario, person has the data, tells them specifically what's happened to their body, they're bustin' their ass, right?

Starting point is 00:11:23 They're workin' hard, they're starving themselves. Then they look at it. What? My body fat percentage didn't go down, but my weight went down. How does that work? Oh, I lost muscle. I give up.

Starting point is 00:11:32 That's what you get from a lot of people. I tried all these things. It's not for me. My genetics aren't great, or this is just too hard. I can't figure this out. Or maybe they'll try one fat to the next fat and just get totally discouraged. Versus having a coach is like,

Starting point is 00:11:44 hey, here's what's happening. You need is like, hey, here's what's happening. You need genetic angler. Yeah, here's what's happening. Here's a deal. Here's how you're going to feel. Because look, here's the bottom line. We have way more information today than we ever did. People are worse.

Starting point is 00:11:54 They're worse off. Now, it's because the default is poor health. If you try to live a normal life and not be unhealthy, possible, you have to live in abnormal life. You have to have the scheduled workout and you have to inject a normal life and not be unhealthy, possible, you have to live an abnormal life, you have to have the scheduled workout and you have to inject activity into your day whereas other people are just sedative. You have to eat unlike everybody else.

Starting point is 00:12:14 You have to pay attention to your body's signals rather than numbing your body with every over the counter. Yeah, but imagine if you had tools that actually gave you that feedback to where you're not, it's like an alert comes up or it tells you because we have that kind of kid. If we had an AI coach gave you that feedback to where you're not, like an alert comes up or it tells you because we have that kind of, if we had an AI coach maybe, if it was like, hey, hey, that's what I mean.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Hey, just like there'll be a guy that'll just use that data and be like, look how many twinkies I can get to send it off. Well, there will be that asshole. There are 100% of people. I mean, I didn't say we're gonna make everybody fit. That ain't fucking happening. That ain't happening.

Starting point is 00:12:43 I just think it's the highest blitz. I just think it's the highest blood pressure. I just think there's exactly. I think most people that hired me really, really wanted to try, really wanted to figure it out. And they just, it just wasn't, they weren't connecting the dots. Yeah, but let me add, exactly.

Starting point is 00:12:56 And I would love it. I mean, I would love it personally. I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, ask you guys this, were there trainers who were smarter than you guys when you guys were trainers? Who had more of my trainers were smarter? Okay, well, hold on. What made you guys know? That was a great question. That was a great question. Okay, yeah, but what made you successful?

Starting point is 00:13:13 It was the guidance. I was good with people. I was good. I was better at taking real simple stuff from any of my clients to apply it, and that made me success. That's very good at taking like every other smart trainers ideas and make it better relatable. Yeah, that's actually the key right there.

Starting point is 00:13:30 Yeah, if you want to be a successful trainer, this is it right here. Can you get the person to make the change that you want in a permanent way? If you can't, it doesn't matter what, you know, it's a waste of time. Yeah, but I mean, I think that's because we're, I think the game will change.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Like I think that's what was so important now, to a point, not completely, because it'll all still come down to behaviors and- You know what my worry is though with that? Here's my worry with it, is that people, because I know what happened with me with my phone, I already had a bad sense of direction, now my sense of direction is completely gone.

Starting point is 00:14:00 I don't know anybody's phone number. I've outsourced lots of things that I used to know to my phone. My worry is with these devices that people become more disconnected from their bodies. More like, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what am I, what're talking about that. Yeah, I was like, you know what? That's the same reason. I'm like, you know what, maybe if I just fucking put the phone away

Starting point is 00:14:27 and leave it at the house all day or leave it in the drawer somewhere, I just keep my beeper from where you just see reason. We're gonna text you boobies. We're gonna text you boobies. We're gonna text you boobies. We're gonna text you boobies. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:38 All day long from you ass also. I'm excited to be dumb shit. One, one, four, three. This is not work three. Oh, I just wanna say, nine more ones. Nine, six, nine, nine. I'm gonna go to my phone. Yeah, this is not worth three Nine one one Go to my phone otherwise a call you later Did you guys that you guys have pages and I absolutely had a page here? I had a page of like a minute why though

Starting point is 00:14:54 Just one I was like it was a thing for me from like Freshman or sophomore year high school all the way tall. I like tell I got a cell remember they got cool We got like different colors. Yeah, I had like the different cases. Did you really? Yeah, absolutely. What was the brand of people texting? Was it Motorola? Yeah, Motorola. I mean, there was a couple brands, but that was the main brand. Yeah, it was so, what a weird, like you got a pay,

Starting point is 00:15:12 so you're in high school, okay? So you have a page. It started with doctors, right? Is that how it came out? Yeah, people that needed them. Yeah. So we were in high school, you would get a page and it meant to call someone back.

Starting point is 00:15:21 That's all it meant. So you got to go find a phone to call them back or your girlfriend would text you. No, or we got, there's page your code now. I mean, don't you remember. That's all it meant. So you gotta go find a phone to call them back or your girlfriend would text you. No, or you got, there's page or code now. I mean, don't you remember? Like that's what I'm saying. That's what I think. Yeah, well that, of course you'll remember those ones.

Starting point is 00:15:33 But I'll ask you, when you put on a calculator, it's there. What else could you write on it? Miss me, call me, miss you, call me back, thinking of you. Those are all kinds. There's a whole, look at Doug. Look up, look up. How do you do thinking?

Starting point is 00:15:43 Look up, yeah. 823, look up. Oh yeah, stupid. I was thinking of like, Yeah, eight two three look up. Oh, yeah I was thinking of why I randomly know that Right off the cuff pull up page your code. There's like a whole is a whole I feel like Adam was a whole English all the time just huh we get thinking of you from him. Yeah, all the time. Yeah There's like a low key reminder to get back to work. I actually I haven't said that a long time When Katrina and I first started dating I would text her that and. And she would be like, what the fuck is it?

Starting point is 00:16:05 Oh, on the phone? Yeah, yeah. What is that? You know what you could do? Honestly, you don't need, although a pager might not be a bad idea. I'll get a brick floor. I don't know about that. That's what my cousin did.

Starting point is 00:16:14 Yeah. My cousin got a flip phone and all you could do is call. And you can text, but it's old school text. We have to hit the number three times. You get it, yeah. Hug you, sleep well. He, he, he, like, like, there's all kinds of stuff. There's actually way more than that, though.

Starting point is 00:16:27 There's like a, what? Why? Why? What is that? There's just all kinds, there's a way more than that. There's way more than that. You guys didn't have to let, let, let, let, remember was, what was the other, the pig Latin that we learned when we were like in

Starting point is 00:16:38 school? Oh, that's a whole other way. That's totally different. No, it's not. It's like you created a language, like we, people created a language around, uh, Pedro Cuc. So No, it's not. It's like you created a language. Like, people created a language around a page or something. So it's funny, you break this up because Jess and I had a conversation. I'm seeing you before LOL, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Oh, yeah, you can't do that. Oh, yeah, you can. You can do 7-07. That would be a lot. Yeah. Look at that. I've seen you before. I've seen you before.

Starting point is 00:16:59 I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you before. I've seen you last week and we're like, okay, let's do this. Let's only Pick up our phones at distinct times and text each other only at those times not check our phones It's turn off the TV as much as possible because that's always like a if you're busy with the kids or whatever you want to

Starting point is 00:17:16 You know, have them do something for 15 minutes So we tried the effort lasted two days went back to normal because it's hard So today we had that conversation and you know, what's funny is you realize when you're doing that, how much you randomly share thoughts with. I was just gonna ask you, how often do you and Jessica texts in a day? A lot. That's weird.

Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, what about you? Well, we're in love. Yeah, there's a lot of people here and there. I mean, I don't. That's what I think that's weird. I think that's weird. I think that's weird. I think that's what I call her a lot. That's why I think more sense.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They check when you have your guys. I mean, do you, I mean, do you, are you, how often you guys? No, not for, I mean, I guess. Yeah, she knows where you live, right? Yeah, she knows. Yeah, she knows. You know, what's Justin doing?

Starting point is 00:17:59 Yeah, I tell them. I usually save that for content. Yeah, like I need content. Yeah. Well, we text each other. Yeah, I'll talk to you when I for content. Yeah, I need content. Yeah, well, we text each other. Yeah, I'll talk to you when I get home. But then there's also apps and you guys act like you're weird, bro. Hey, check your full.

Starting point is 00:18:12 It seems on the phone the most. I care. Well, that's different. Oh, yeah, I'm not. Excuse me. My wife and I are not talking all day long. My wife and I talk when we see each other when we get home. It's like we enjoy that gap, that small gap

Starting point is 00:18:25 of like not seeing each other for a while. Cause to your point, give us something to talk about. You're texting your fucking wife, play by play. You guys get home when you start to play by play. You guys talk about it. Yeah, let me text you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we don't, but anyway, we were talking about it.

Starting point is 00:18:36 And it just, you know, I was thinking about when we were younger, when you left the house, you were gone. That was it. It was like, hey, I'll see you at this time. And then you just relied on each other to show up, and that was it. That's why it's so weird. You were gone, it's weird.

Starting point is 00:18:50 That's why it's so weird. That's why it's so weird when we get, so crazy about messaging like that often. It's like, there was a time when you could literally go all day and not, that's how I talked to the people that were in front of me. When my kid, so my kid, obviously I talked about how you was sick, you was at school, whatever. I can check his location on his phone, I can text him.

Starting point is 00:19:09 I know, it's creepy. You know, and then I thought about him like, all panic. Stalkers did, yeah, that's weird. When we were gone, our parents were like, I don't know, you know, call me at this time, I guess, or I'll call you, and if you don't answer, yeah, I'll assume you're alive.

Starting point is 00:19:21 Yeah. I mean, do you think that's been for the good or the bad? Oh, bad. Of course. Yeah. I think people you're alive. Yeah, I mean, you think that's been for the good or the bad? Ah, bad. Of course. Yeah. I think people are safer, maybe. I don't know. Well, that's a fact.

Starting point is 00:19:31 It's nice to know, but also, yeah, you totally intervene and there's a big overreach there, I would say. It's a parent. Remember when you go places with your parents, you guys are little, you know, maybe like you just, when you start to get a little freedom, right? 12, 13, you know, like a theme park and your parents like, okay, meet here at 1 p.m. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:51 And then you're gone. Have you ever been lost? Yeah. They've left you somewhere. Are you asking me? Yeah. I get lost all the time, dude. Well, I know.

Starting point is 00:19:59 I mean, like, as a kid, your parents left you somewhere. Oh, you're like, ah, panic. Wait, your parents actually left you? Yeah, but they didn't know. Like, I was, I'll second it. Yeah, we said, yeah, we're like panic. Wait, your parents actually left you? Yeah, but they didn't know. Like, I was out second. Yeah, I was out of my view. Yeah, so you know that big flea market over here, like, the usual, or the theater,

Starting point is 00:20:14 or the outside movie theater is? Yeah, yeah. That's a terrible place to get lost. Sorry, could be. Yeah, so I was looking at something, and then... She tried to get kidnapped. Yeah, I guess like some kid that kind of was wearing the same closes me was like kind of near them

Starting point is 00:20:27 And they just moved on thinking nothing of it like some home alone ship Dude and I'm like looking back and there's nobody and I like hold me it took me an hour before I finally like reconnect And I had they had to like say over the loudspeaker really like where I was How old were you yeah, you Yeah, I was probably like eight. He's like 22. Yeah. No one knew. Hey, when you get older,

Starting point is 00:20:50 it's your parents that get lost. Oh, fuck, we lost there. I know. Hold on, so were you crying? I mean, I did once they finally found me. I kind of broke down. Then he let it out. Yeah, I was just like,

Starting point is 00:20:59 why did he leave me? Yeah, you know. Like that classic kid thing or just say, how do you do? That's a scary place, get lost. Your parents ever lose you like that? Yeah. My parents, like that classic kid thing or just say, How dare you? That's a scary place to get lost. Your parents ever lose you like that? Yeah. My parents, we were at my aunt's house.

Starting point is 00:21:10 We remember my parents have four kids and we were rowdy-ass kids. So we were at my aunt's house for a big family party. And they had, you know, you try to organize your kids to leave at a particular time. It's almost impossible, right? So they're getting the kids ready, but with them in the minivan,

Starting point is 00:21:23 they jump in the car, they drive off, and they forgot me. They drove off and they told me, and I was at my aunt. That's literally home alone. They literally had to have that happen. Yeah, it was a family. I saw that played out.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Remember that getting all the, everyone the kids in the, and then my aunt's like, your parents just drove away. Like what? They turned back around, came back. And the story was always like, if I was even gonna remotely like leave and go somewhere,

Starting point is 00:21:44 like I was at like a grocery store, my mom would always tell always like, if I was even gonna remotely leave and go somewhere, I was at a grocery store, my mom would always tell me, if you are gone, somebody's gonna kidnap you and dye your hair. Wow. And you're never coming back. And I was like, oh my God. You know what, I would just freak out. I'd be like in the bathroom running,

Starting point is 00:22:02 trying to find my mom again. I would've worked. What about you, your parents? My mom left me intentionally. I'll prepare. Yeah, I told that story. Remember I told you guys that story where the cops came and everything?

Starting point is 00:22:12 Remember when I was, let's see here. What did you guys kick out? No, that's 16. This I'm talking about, one of my four or five. Whoa, what? Look, we looked this up one time. When was Nintendo? Okay, when was it released, right?

Starting point is 00:22:25 What year was it? 1980. Nine, 88. So the GDS. So when Zelda, the game Zelda came out. Okay, no, it was like 86. The NES? Yes, it's a G80.

Starting point is 00:22:35 Wow, that was a G80. That was a G80. 85. Holy cow. So when that came out, Zelda, Zelda gets released, which I think is 86. So this, this on I'm five. My mom leaves me home to go grocery shopping and tells a five year old, don't go anywhere,

Starting point is 00:22:50 right? So you're at home. I'm at home. And then somebody, my neighbor, like four houses down on our block, comes over and knocks on the door and he's got the new Zelda game and wants to come over and play and being like a normal five year old, I totally forgot what my mom told me to stay home. Okay, and just went and then got caught up playing games. Oh, you left the house? Oh, yeah, for like hours. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:23:12 And when I finally came out of his house to come back home, there was like cops all on our street and our driveway. And my mom was like hysterically crying and running up and down the street. And like, what did she tell the cops? So, okay, I don't remember any of that. And let the memory is like,

Starting point is 00:23:27 serve me as like, for most of my like, young childhood or an adult, young adulthood of like, you know, I fucked up in that situation. But you did that. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't until I got old, like a fucking grown-ass man, I did the math and I went like, I was five. What the fuck, she doing with me?

Starting point is 00:23:40 She gave me a home of five. Yeah, yeah. Like Max is four right now. Like, are you kidding me? Like I can't do. You imagine we're free. We're in court, that's two. That is like crazy. Listen, if you grew up in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:23:51 that you're just tough. Like if you survive that, you're not a pussy. You know what I mean? Like that's just like a lot of kids would have died right there. You made it. You know what I'm saying? You know what though?

Starting point is 00:24:00 By the way, you know what the science on that says? Where when little kids, when their parents do something that's completely irresponsible or terrible, little kids always internalize it. They always internalize it as it's their fault because that's your caretaker. I think it was like survival mechanism. It wasn't but a couple years ago

Starting point is 00:24:16 that like I realized that wasn't my fault. Oh, because you didn't do the math. Yeah, just never cared to you. Just assume that I was a bad kid for doing shit like that. You know what I'm saying? You know, when I figured things out was when I tell you guys stories, you know, and I'm like, oh yeah, my mom threw a shoe at us

Starting point is 00:24:27 at the grocery store and I'm like, what the fuck? What's your shoe's at us? All right, no, of course. I said, what was your mom doing? You know, like, like, she doing a bunch of errands and she was like, no, she's probably at home. I was like, thinking, I'm like, what was she doing? You know, we like had to walk miles.

Starting point is 00:24:42 We watched ourselves for sure. And when I went back, I went by that neighborhood with time, which is probably, it's a ghetto. Now, it's in Modesto, which is like the armpit of California. Right. So, and it's like this shitty little town where we're at and just a run down neighborhood. And as a kid, you make your perception of distance and size. So, it's so off, you know? And I remember going back there and then driving the route of

Starting point is 00:25:06 walking to school the school the middle school that I used to walk my sister and I too and It was like, you know two miles. We had a cross a four-lane fucking main road You know, bro. I was third grade. She was first grade Fucking bananas. Oh my God. Yeah, and I'm like, I did the drive, and I'm like, this is every day, you know? And then these memories come back of like,

Starting point is 00:25:31 when I got grounded one time, really bad, I had it, it was in fourth grade. And I was walking home from this long, walking school and got distracted, and a kid. I mean, that's how a kid's brain works at that age, like that, not even thinking like, I have to come straight home. It's like, some kid goes, oh, come over.

Starting point is 00:25:45 I got the new vanilla ice tape. Let's go listen to it. Okay. So I cut a left and then go hang out for an hour or two. And then my mom's again frantic because I didn't come home. You see me not taking me from a guy in a van. I guess that's what that's. But I'm thinking that at that age and when I was younger,

Starting point is 00:26:01 even like as a teenager going like, oh man, I was a bad kid. I did all this up. But then I was a dad, and I think like, I would never expect Max to like walk two miles across a four lane highway and like figure it out. And not think that somebody would go like, hey, come over and play with me kid, and you would be like, okay, and just do that.

Starting point is 00:26:19 I told you guys a story about like, when we were at the grocery store, my mom, my brother was always a terror. And you ran off and you was knocking stuff off the aisle. I'm chasing him because I'm the oldest right. Get your brother and I'm chasing him. And then I see my mom shoe, you know, across the aisle, boom, hit him and he falls down because she had to stop him.

Starting point is 00:26:37 And this lady gave my mom the dirtiest look. And my mom grabbed the shoe, pointed at her and she's like, mind your business. Now, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, I was like, my mom's awesome, you know? Looking back, like, oh my God, mom, what are you doing? She's like, you tried badging for kids at the grocery store. I, you know, I think you're,

Starting point is 00:26:53 I think you're, I think you're practicing out the backyard before you got a gold mirror. So it was a little bit. Before having a kid, you can't help but judge those adults that you see do that. Then after you have a kid, you realize, you can just feel bad. Totally, like it's come to say,

Starting point is 00:27:05 oh man. Oh yeah, you ever see kids on a leash? When people are walking around, you're like, how could they do that? Now I have like a two year old, I'm like, ah, where do I buy one? Yeah, that was a trend for a minute. It went crazy for a minute and then it went on.

Starting point is 00:27:17 I think after a minute. Now they make backpacks with this, because they make it less. They do, but it was really popular for a minute. And then it kind of fell off because I think people started to realize like how ridiculous that looks. Like your kid is on a leash, you know that, right?

Starting point is 00:27:30 Like that's, I don't, you know, no matter if it's a monkey backpack or not, it's still a fucking leash. You know how you draw it up. Time to pull. Yeah, I think it like, we fell out of favor for after a while. I think it was just like, ah, yeah, yeah. I like trying to get off of it. This is how, this is how I would have terror my little brother,

Starting point is 00:27:46 like hanging off of the balcony. He was young, he was like three, and they make those buckles so you can't take, because my mom had one for me, she had two though. My brother would literally jump off, he'll do anything crazy. And it's not as like this. I didn't think those came out till way late.

Starting point is 00:27:59 No, no, no, she was probably one of the first, and she was awed, she's like, I need to invent it. He was, listen, you don't understand. His son, by the way, it's so fun to watch my brother, go through this with his son. If we put his son in here right now, if you took your eyes off from two seconds, he'd be hanging off the lights with us.

Starting point is 00:28:14 Like something very dangerous. Like a very day China shot. And laughing, that was my brother. So she had the leash on it, and he figured out how to take the child proof thing on. And my mom is not paying attention, she's shopping, she's watching this over. My brother took it off and attached it to something else.

Starting point is 00:28:27 And she's, she looked lost him. Where is he? I like that. Eventually found him. He's like that. Anyway, so here's what's interesting to me. I thought, because you guys both can't have dairy right now. Okay.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Because you guys have to be talking to you. Really? Yeah, well, it's okay. It's very sad. How are you doing right now? I'm angry. Well, I was gonna say, you look really miserable. I was gonna say, he looks angry, but you complain way more.

Starting point is 00:28:50 So, are you, what's your challenge with the, because I so, what, what I'm really blown away at, because I mean, I've openly admitted my ice cream addiction and shit like that that I like, and I have a very free ice cream. No, what I didn't realize was all the little things, and I scream addiction and shit like that that I like. You don't like dairy free ice cream? No. What I didn't realize was all the little things, like I mean, like there's these crackers that I would have and there's barbecue sauce that I would use with chicken.

Starting point is 00:29:14 That's everything. And I didn't realize how much dairy is snuck into so many things. And I didn't think that I was, like my mind, I think like in my diet, I go like ice cream cheese. Like that's the main dairy that gets in there. Every once in a while, I have some sort of, I have it maybe in my coffee or, you know, but rarely, you know, or yogurt occasionally, cream cheese occasionally added to everything from the whole deal. Yeah, but when you start to like actually look at every single thing and it's like, oh shit, this has dairy too. And then I go, wow, I was actually consuming way more than I thought it was.

Starting point is 00:29:49 And I don't know, I haven't talked to Cabral about this or not, but the first initial part sucks. I've had headaches. My psoriasis is worse right now than it was before. And I feel like I'm like, I can't eat anything. It's a shitty beginning right now. So this is interesting, because that happens to die off, but I don't know why avoiding dairy would cause die. So die off is when you're treating like a bacteria

Starting point is 00:30:13 to overgrowth, and when the bacteria die, or let's say there's a fungal overgrowth and that dies, it sets off toxins, and so people will get this, what's it called, herxiaomer effect, or something like that? Maybe duck to look it up. It's where you actually feel worse before, and so people will get this, what's it called? Herk's time or effect or something like that? Maybe duck to look it up. It's where you actually feel worse. Before, I don't know why avoiding an intolerance

Starting point is 00:30:29 to cause that except for maybe your immune system, not having something to attack because it's constantly being bombarded with dairy. Doesn't have dairy and so it's become more hyper vigilant before it calms down. Would be my guess. So here's a mistake. I was talking to Katrina and I were talking

Starting point is 00:30:45 with this last night because she was asking me, she could tell, she was like, are you doing all right? What's wrong with you, so that I said, ah, I think I'm gonna bid off more than I could chew right now because I also paired that with caffeine and cratum right now of pulling off too. Why?

Starting point is 00:30:58 So I've been, yeah, I have, we're here for your maniac. That's because this is part of me going like, I probably should do all of it. Yeah, I was, I was like, because my attitude is like this, well, I'm gonna go all, I'm cutting out if you're a maniac. That's because this is part of me going like, I probably should do all of it. Yeah, I was, I was like, when I, because my attitude is like, well, I'm gonna go all, I'm, I'm cutting out this dairy. I've been inconsistent with my training and dieting was,

Starting point is 00:31:12 here's a good time for me to really ramp up, and I like fucking 180 to everything. And I was like, probably not gonna. Yeah, you make it terrible. Yeah, so yeah, so reintroduced the caffeine back in, and I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna do that right now, which is probably where the headaches probably came from. The headaches didn't make sense.

Starting point is 00:31:26 See, that's the Herk'simer effect, but that's from, look, people get fever from that. I didn't even realize that, but that's after you kill bacteria and stuff like that. Now, what about you, Justin? You obviously was very depressed. You just angry. Yeah, because what are you gonna eat?

Starting point is 00:31:39 You know, that's all you do. Yeah, and it's like, my kids are flaunting it and from my face. Oh my God, you do that. They're taunting you. Yeah, so like, I have this huge can of ball of milk and milk, right? And like I started to like, I was eating a bunch of it. And then before I just decided to not eat dairy anymore. And then I was like cooking burgers for everybody

Starting point is 00:31:58 and then realizing, oh yeah, I can't put any cheese there. And then I'm like serving it up and then Ethan goes, and he's grabbing all this like expensive cheese I have there and he's like stacking it, you know, on top of his burger, then like, you know, shaming it in the salad and like, anyways, it's just, yeah, I'm like, and I like that they're kind of messing with me with that

Starting point is 00:32:20 because it's like, it's annoying to be that guy that's like, you know, dairy, you know. Oh, know I'm under bummer I'm the bummer in the group you know that low key like I don't want to be that guy I'm that guy right now so I'm owning it and it's been what six days or whatever so you know what I think it is what is I've actually had better acid reflux oh that's a big deal for you it is and that's what's why I'm even more angry. Because I'm like, it's working. Yeah, it's working. He would be hoping you didn't work. Yeah. So I actually have to go all the way through this thing. Yeah, because your acid reflux was bad.

Starting point is 00:32:55 It ain't got really bad. And I told you guys at the beginning of this year, it was just like compiling. It was like the worst that's ever been. So here's the kicker with this is or not kickers. I mean, maybe the light at the end of the tunnel. Although dairy oftentimes isn't this, but I think you especially, or both you guys should be okay with this. Once you get the immune system to tamp down, you seal the gut because the inflammation is gone.

Starting point is 00:33:19 Yeah. Then you can reintroduce and you probably, you may not have any more reactions and you go back to having dairy. Yeah. Although dairy often is one more reactions and you go back to having dairy. Although dairy often is one that people can never go back to because you guys have always had dairy and never really had an issue. But it's just like an intolerance.

Starting point is 00:33:33 It's not like I'm like allergic to it. I mean, it's not bullshit. He's still into now. He's still into now. He's like, I just would be happy. I'll just be happy if every once in a while I can, like one of the things I now have to do is, again, obviously I know a way shake is dairy,

Starting point is 00:33:49 but that's kind of like my go to thing at night when I need protein. Should we go to the organophile? Yeah, so now I'm like on the, That's all right. It is, I mean, I'm an organophile by far is the best vegan protein. Vegan proteins are gross.

Starting point is 00:34:00 They are. They are. And I already went through all the bone broth already. So I'm gonna, I'm hoping that we still have some of that left in here But I I've been on organify now and I'm so used to having like a nice like way shake at the end of the night And it's just I know is your digestion better with the organify. So I don't have digestive issues. Oh, it's all skin. Yeah, it's all skin for me. It's never been I've never had any Real major guts. Unless I'm like way off the right, like I'm eating really good. Yeah, organifies the most successful vegan protein I've had that I've recommended to people

Starting point is 00:34:31 because when I recommend non-dairy protein powders, especially if I want a nice amino acid profile, A, they're hard to find, and B, when I do, they literally taste like someone mowed the lawn and threw the lawn clotted in the back. But that's the one. No, they're the best. I just, okay, so like someone mowed the lawn and threw the lawn footage back. But that's the one. No, they're the best. I just, okay, so, and then this is tough. And there's no artificial sweetener, which picking is that I really like

Starting point is 00:34:51 organify stuff with tardy stuff, like fruit, like strawberries and blueberries. So are you vanilla with it? Yeah, I just like, so I can make my own. But at night, when I have my protein shake, you want a peanut butter. I like savory stuff. Yeah, I want peanut butter and banana, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:07 that's what I want. And that don't go good with to me. And I've had it, like it gets by, but it's not the same. They make good cookies. The organify protein powder makes really good cookies. Who is it you that made them? Or was that someone else? No, I've contributed and I make,

Starting point is 00:35:21 but we normally use way when we do this. Someone else made them. Chokey's mom, I think. That's it. Okay, was that the party? Did you use to organize? Yes. Do you remember those balls?

Starting point is 00:35:30 Do you remember those like protein balls or whatever? That we had at the, was it the Christmas party? Yes, the Christmas party. Those were organized. Oh, I didn't know that. They were amazing. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, because Katrina asked me, she's like, do you want me to make that?

Starting point is 00:35:40 I'm like, I don't really like all the, because we make peanut butter balls, all the different cookies, but we normally use the way, because I think the way just goes better with like when you're baking. Yeah. But I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, I was choky to hook up the recipe on that.

Starting point is 00:35:53 So I want to change direction real quick and comment on just this real short, because I know people can get irritated with this, but there's a lot of, I've gotten some messages from people wanting to know our opinions on the vaik Ramaswami and how he's what he's communicating right now and kind of what's happening He's kind of this rising star so far. We've heard the the Republican primary debate the first one

Starting point is 00:36:17 So what do you guys think what do you guys think about that guy? You know, it's interesting about actually I'll say one comment. Yeah, good. What you know how people are attacking them? This is what I find interesting. The attack that seems to be sticking is literally under the umbrella of he sounds too good to be true. Yeah, he's too smooth. What are crazy saying all the things on here? It's not that crazy when you think about how we what happened with Obama. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:38 Yeah. Yeah, but people still love him. There's a definite. And people are going to love a fact too, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he'll be he'll he's no, no, no for sure out of all the Republican candidates, the most well spoken. And I think addresses most of the, the points that I think that the party wants

Starting point is 00:36:58 them to, to address like he's not the establishment. Yeah. They were, they were, I mean, when you saw their positions on Ukraine, for example, I'm talking about the Republican base, not the establishment. Yeah, they were, they were, I mean, when you saw their positions on uh, Ukraine, for example, I'm talking about the Republican base, not the other people. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah. He's speaking to what most people want to is the first one to raise his hand with Ukraine and stuff like that. Like, so I think he's, I mean, he's, and he's what he's doing with by not bashing Trump and actually supporting him. Because when you have really, when you unpack what he said about Trump, it's really like, okay, he said in this last decade or what he said, what do you say? He's the best president last. The timeframe he's referring to is George Bush, Obama, Biden, and Trump. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:37 And if you're a Republican, everybody knows that Bush was fucking the worst, right? So because all the wars shit. So that's a out. And then you're not gonna have a Republican guy support Biden or Obama for sure. So he's not really saying much by saying that, but it comes off. It's not including the risk. So he's very intelligent, he's very tactical. He's winning over everybody.

Starting point is 00:37:57 But I think the, so I have several of my family members that I do talk politics with that are like kind of like hardcore conservative. And their concern about him is that he's going to be like an Obama. He's going to get in office and he's going to do a lot of things different than what he said. Didn't what he's saying. Yeah, that's the biggest, uh, that's the biggest critique that I think is sticking the lack of experience. Although I think that's going to play in his favor because everybody else up there has been in there forever and has done what?

Starting point is 00:38:24 You know, I think refreshing to hear people finish sentences. Yeah, I know. Now Trump played really smart politics because he's so ahead, he didn't participate, which makes him look like, I'm not gonna talk with you guys, you guys are all so low or whatever. And not only that,

Starting point is 00:38:40 but I'm gonna run my interview at the same time and make sure that my base doesn't even get a chance. So what's your speculation on what he's going to do when the party gets narrowed down to the debate? So you think, so there's rumors that they think he won't even then. Yeah. Well, okay. That's a good point.

Starting point is 00:38:56 There's a chance that he may like all this like move the whole way through and be like, why? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You know, I don't think he'd do well. You know what I think is really interesting is that he, Trump in 24 hours got over $4 million in campaign funds

Starting point is 00:39:11 after he got that mug shot. No, it's up higher than that. It's six now. I saw it in 24 hours. Oh, okay. I just say like a record. Yeah, I just saw that this morning on like how much it, how much you had to know that he'd like,

Starting point is 00:39:23 even if he didn't need to take it, he was like opting in for that. Oh, because it's like perfect like press. It plays right into his narrative of being his outsider and right crazy backfire. I'm the underdog like he's getting a lot of new supporters, I guess. Do you think he had the the foresight to know that it was going to that play out that way? I think he had a plan. I think they were like when they take that mud shot, you be ready to put this out, this out and that out.

Starting point is 00:39:50 Yeah. And that's exactly what they did. As soon as that mud shot was taken, he sent out a blast to his followers, to his supporters with the picture of it. And it's like, this is, you know, the political witch hunt, whatever, you know, give me money. I'm going to fight the system. And he got so much money. I always wonder if it's like really the candidate or the person that we're talking about which on whatever, you know, give me money, I'm gonna fight this system and he got so much money.

Starting point is 00:40:05 I always wonder if it's like really the candidate or the person that we're talking about or it's really like this team of people that is really all of it. Like you interpreted it as like, oh, he had this foresight and he thought, do this to this or he's got a team. Yeah, of course.

Starting point is 00:40:21 They go like, this is what we're going to do. Of course. We're gonna take advantage of this. We're gonna put this out. This is how we're going to spend. This is how we're going to get ahead of it. This is how it's going to. Yeah, that's what I think. I don't think it's damn. I'll say he's right now in the primary. He's untouchable. He actually his support with minorities exploded recently, which would kill the Democrats if that were to stick, although almost ever stayed.

Starting point is 00:40:46 Would you say you went eight to 21 or 28% percent? Yeah, huge. But, I mean, does it actually stick when they vote? We'll see what happens. He's still super divisive. So can he win a general? Who knows? I think if he made Vivek his running mate, that would be interesting.

Starting point is 00:41:03 That would be right. And it sounds like that's what Vivek is trying to do. Is it this October, the October surprise, or is it next October? It's next year, right? Yeah, yeah. That's when you should expect the weirdest. The narrowing down, who's gonna be the candidate

Starting point is 00:41:16 going into next year? Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see what happens. We very interested. I mean, I'm not falling at that closely. I'm paying a little bit of attention to it, but I'm not falling that closely. Yeah so I'm paying a little bit of attention to it, but I'm not falling that close. Yeah, I like to just see what the strategies are

Starting point is 00:41:28 and kind of what's, you know, how they're playing the game and look at the big picture. Because if I get too invested, I just wanna pull my hair out. Football season's starting for me, so I don't want you to be. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:39 That's where I'm going. I should get into politics or sports for nerds, bro. I've been saying that forever. That's all I'm saying. I should get into football, huh? You should. It's a less stressful. It way less stressful. Yeah way less stressful. There's not there's not as much on the line when a team loses. Yeah, I know. And so they're not trying to piss you off. And even when they do crap batches, it's like, oh, it's not that big of a deal.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Yeah, it's like, oh, fuck those are my rights. You just want to say it's like, oh, no. Yeah, it's like you're not going to get those bad. Yeah, the football was not that serious. Fuller, whatever you get over this thing. Yeah, the point for money was called you doing the fantasy league with the boys. Yeah, we just need numbers. Okay. Okay, I'm not there. I recruit us. Okay, explain. Explain fantasy. I've never played fantasy football. Okay, hell, no, I'm not going to defend that. That's not that's like, it's like, it's done. She's in dragons. It is for jocks. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:25 Really? Yeah. That's a good way to say it. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, I have this wizard, and I have this, um, I don't know. You have a bishop. You have a team. I create, you know, the memes around, by the way, the memes around fantasy football are the

Starting point is 00:42:38 best, I think, but there's so many great memes and things. So what do you do? Do you create a team with players? There's 10, so there's 10 to 12 of us, okay? So if we were to play our guys, we would all go around and you would draft players. So we figure out a way to go the order. You're first time, second, Justin's third, ducks four, and you're up and you get to pick any player in the NFL to be on your team for each position. Well, yes.

Starting point is 00:43:00 But it's your decision on how order you go. You can go running back for some of the pickups. So basically, and there's still a strategy. And why do you win? So every week, those guys have ways to score points. So a quarterback throws a touchdown and he gets six points. If a running back runs for 10 yards, he gets a point. If a Y receiver catches a pass, it's a point. Like, there's all these ways you start whoever you want

Starting point is 00:43:21 for that week and so based off of that, there's so many points here. Wow, that's stupid. It's actually really hard. It's actually really. It's actually really. It's a lot of money off that. People have been money. Yeah. Okay. Lots of money. You know, that's you know, this has been around for a long well before the internet. So that people used to do this by hand at the newspaper. You open up to every Sunday and and kids have been doing this for a long time. It blew up once the internet hit and then like you could create this thing where we can hold. It kind of gives you something to do

Starting point is 00:43:47 while you're watching the games. I get that. It's like, I think it reminds me of when we used to watch a Super Bowl and you'd make all these really weird random bets on whether or not the point toss or yeah, just like random things would happen in the game and you'd bet on it. It just made it more fun.

Starting point is 00:44:04 I mean, we talked the other day about Balco, right?, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you can see why it takes someone like me who would consider himself a football fan. And now you want to watch it all all of it. Yes. And I would never do that as a kid growing up, you watch your team. That's all you care about. You don't pay attention to anybody else's stuff. Maybe a little bit, but not like where when you draft players in the entire league, you're invested in every and there's money on the line. You're invested in every single game. So now I want to watch it.

Starting point is 00:44:42 What's with you know, we just you brought a baseball. I saw I didn't see this for a long time, and I forgot how crazy of a disparity this was. The pictures of Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire and who else was Jose Coseco or Sammy Sosa when they, like in the early part of the career and then towards the end. So I feel like, okay.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Why did their heads grow? It was the most crazy. I think Sammy Sosa looked the crazy. Oh, I didn't. Why did their actual skulls grow? Yeah, exactly. They were on growth too. They never proved that stuff because you can't test for it.

Starting point is 00:45:14 You can't test for it, but they were on growth hormone too. Like the before and after, that's the only way your skull grows, bro. Your skull doesn't grow from testosterone. No. It does from growth hormone though. So that, I mean, that was, that was a mutant.

Starting point is 00:45:25 That's the part that they never talk about or they couldn't even really, like, in the balco scammer with that, they can't talk about that case, they can't prove it so they don't even bring it up, but you know, your bones don't grow like that. All those guys grew, like, their bones, and that doesn't happen unless you're taking growth hormone.

Starting point is 00:45:40 Oh my God. So they took it in combination with that. I think they can test for growth hormone now. Maybe you could look it up, Doug. I think they need they now have tests maybe like you feel it. Yeah. Yeah, an abnormal. Like IGF one or something like that. But I think they can actually test for things. Speaking of science, well, Doug looks that up. I was reading more interesting studies on terpings, which so terpins are compounds and plants that give them their scent, but there's also flavor to or flavor, but there's there's reasons why they have these terpins. Some of

Starting point is 00:46:15 them are to our antimicrobial or will fight certain funguses or will attract certain insects that will pollinate them or repel certain insects that tend to eat them. So they're present in plants. Now, why am I bringing this up? When you look at hemp or cannabis, which is its cousin, and you look at the effects of cannabinoids, obviously the most common one being THC, but then there's CBD, which is common. And there's lots of other cannabinoids, CBC and CBN and other cannabinoids. When you look at their effects, if you don't look at the turpines, you're not gonna get the full picture.

Starting point is 00:46:45 In fact, I just read this, turpines oftentimes have effects like cannabinoids themselves, and it's probably turpines that determines whether or not a strain makes you sleepy or energized or anxious or creative, and not necessarily the cannabinoids. It's so funny because this explains what we've kind of known for a long time with how people would say,

Starting point is 00:47:08 you'd hear people say like, oh man, I can have, I love sourdiso for X, Y, and so you're like, oh, I like this train. And you would hear people compare two strains that would both be considered a Sativa plan. That totally different. Yeah, but yeah, they had have these different effects. So I think it's highlights something

Starting point is 00:47:24 that we were kind of onto forever of like knowing that like there's certain strains. If you're looking for certain attributes, oh, I don't want to be sleepy, I want to have energy, but I want to be jittery, like I want this feet, like there's certain plants or strains that you've connected if you've been smoking for a long period of time.

Starting point is 00:47:41 Oh, those, I like the way that feels, but it's less to do what we know now with the Sativa plant or the actual strain and more so to do with it. Now, why is this important? Because there's so many products on the market now that'll have CBD and CBD is got its own effects and potential benefits, anti-inflammatory, euphoria, sleep, enziolidic, helps with anxiety. But almost nobody is selling a full spectrum

Starting point is 00:48:06 cannabinoid based product, that's high in CBD, meaning they take the whole plant, they extract the efficacious oils, but what's also in there are all the other cannabinoids and the terpenes as well. So this is probably one of the reasons why like we work with NED, when people use CBD products and then use Ned They're like, okay, I really feel this. Yeah. Is the CBD that much higher? And it's like no

Starting point is 00:48:30 It's because of all these other things in the plant that you didn't get with your just CBD gummies or whatever you've done The delivery of it's just better. It's not only that but the turpines activate the receptors more so CB1 receptors can get activated by Turpines Yeah, there's an entourage effect with how they interact with each other. So if you're looking for beneficial effects of CBD, you're better off getting something that's got all that other stuff. You're going to get more of an effect, more of a benefit. And there's a balancing effect.

Starting point is 00:48:58 They show that it's more calming or stimulating. It's more of a balanced effect when you include all of those things versus just the isolated. When is it that the way it's found in nature isn't better for us? Yeah. I mean, seriously, when is it? When is there a, give me an example of something that we have figured out? I'm like, oh, when we mash this and change this, it's healthier. If you want a super strong acute effect, yeah, that maybe concentrated. Yeah want a super strong, acute effect, that may be concentrating. Yeah, but that's rarely ever what you should be doing. I mean, that's still like, stop paying immediately

Starting point is 00:49:32 or something. Did you guys know the drug met Foreman's been around for a long time? Yeah. Was based off of a plant that people had used for a long time. Were they, was it a fighter pilot? So reason that's another M. Damn. It's a stimulant. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:49:49 doffin. Medaphinal. Daphne. Daphne. Daphne. Origins of metformin. Perberine maybe. Uh, no, no, it's another plant.

Starting point is 00:49:56 By the way, the NFL does do. Yeah, but you see it 24 to 48 hours. Yeah. Yeah. And they get a notification. You're going to get tested in two days. Cool. No, no growth hormone tomorrow. So yeah. So you can really can't test for each. No, that's, and that get a notification. You're gonna get tested in two days. Cool. No growth hormone tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:50:06 So, yeah. So you really can't test for age. No, that's, and that's, although it's not a huge performance enhancing. No, but if you pair it with all the test options that you're taking it, yeah, and with, yeah, you pair it with that, that's gonna make a big difference.

Starting point is 00:50:19 Yeah, so, especially at that level, recovery and stuff. So, Metformin is a synthetic derivative of French lilac. That's an herbal plant traditionally employed to Europe for diabetes treatment. So, it is a, they took what was effective in French lilac, which you probably could buy now if you want to improve your blood sugar and then they created metformin.

Starting point is 00:50:42 Which by the way, Formin has been around a long time. It's one of the oldest drugs that's been around. And so we know what it does, what it doesn't do. It's one of the safer substances if you are looking to control blood sugar. Aren't they? So I know biohackers are all into that.

Starting point is 00:50:55 But like beyond it, just being good for. So I took metformin. Okay. Yeah, because we have access to unlimited peptides. So you guys know I take it with me. So I said, hey, what's the other benefits to it? Uh, wait, Metformans considered a peptide? No, wait, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:51:10 I got it from our people, but I don't know what's a peptide. I they have metformans, so you can use metformans. So I tried it and it made me really tired. And I think what it did is it brought my blood sugar too low and I started getting kind of a thargic. There's longevity effects. This is why hackers will take it. That's what I've heard.

Starting point is 00:51:27 But then there's also potential issues with the muscle building signal and the mitochondria. So if you don't need it, I don't know why you would take it. Let's go ahead and have them with all these biohacking people who will only make it to like 69, 72. Yeah. Because we haven't had a whole generation of bio like, you know, biohackers, yeah, all these guys that spend their whole life

Starting point is 00:51:46 doing all this crazy stuff and then they end up like living one year later. I love how they say they're real ages, like 20 years younger, they're dating then, like yeah. Okay. Metformin reduces plasma glucose and has been shown to increase glucagon

Starting point is 00:51:58 like peptide secretion. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, if you go to it, so it triggers GLP one, is that like, yeah, I don't know. We go to it. So it triggers GLP one. Is that like, yeah, I don't think it's actually a peptide itself. No, but they do. So if you go to MP hormones.com, that's our link, right? MP hormones.com. You can fill out a form. And then they'll they'll, these are doctors that will work with you with peptides, potential hormone replacement, like testosterone, growth hormone boosting peptides,

Starting point is 00:52:26 and then they also work with things like ment hormone. So okay, you're the one who's tested almost everything out. What is your stack look like right now, what's your favorite that you're using right now? For building? I mean, for whatever you want. No, no, no, I'm just gonna give you the categories. Okay. For building, I butamorin is crazy.

Starting point is 00:52:43 I get really strong on it. Sleep, I got on that with it. My appetite does go up, so it does boost growth hormone and so growth hormone helps with fat loss. However, your appetite goes up so much with it. I don't think it's a great cutting peptide, but if you want to build and get strong, I'll gain five to six, maybe eight pounds of lean body mass

Starting point is 00:53:01 on it and my strength goes through the roof. So I love that. Motsie still love it, still absolutely love it. So although you do that in cycles. Remind me what Motsie is for is that? Motsie's had a new tropic. It's a new tropic. Yeah, it's a new tropic.

Starting point is 00:53:14 I thought it was a new tropic. Is that a new tropic? No, no. So Motsie, your muscles release when you exercise. And it really tells them at a congea to ramp up its function. And so you tells them out of Andrea to ramp up, it's function. And so you get better blood sugar, I just put some in a good mood.

Starting point is 00:53:30 I took out some of your hair to get an inner red light right now. Well, I was, I stopped the motzi because you do it in cycles. And then you stop for a while. So I liked motzi, I took epitalon, I don't know what that did, I don't know if that did anything, but that's supposed to lengthen telomeres. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:53:45 And you didn't like? Oh, yeah, I tried. God, what was that? Pepp Tide did Doug. Do you remember the one that was, it was a Norpinephrine serotonin dopamine reuptake inhibitor? And it's supposed to be a neutroposal. Oh, that's what he took to. You remember that? Not the name of it. Yeah, I remember what it did, but it makes me crazy. I think some basic ass name too, right? No, it's not.

Starting point is 00:54:09 Is it Tess O'Fensen? Yeah. Tess O'Fensen. No, I took the dose that they gave me and it literally made me feel crazy. Yeah. Then I went off, then I tried a lower dose, and it just affects my sleep, not good.

Starting point is 00:54:21 It kills my appetite, which I guess some people like, but I don't like the way it makes me feel. I think I might already have a lot of dopamine. What are you using? I'm gonna be trying, actually I'm gonna be trying a new one, the NAD. Oh, that's not a peptide, but yeah, NAD is good. With in combination with Cmax,

Starting point is 00:54:36 this is the one I've been having the best success with in terms of. I like Cmax too. Yeah, just my memory recall. Oh, I'm trying CLAN. I'm trying CLAN right now. What? CLAN. What's that? Cank is another peptide for brain function. It also boosts brain

Starting point is 00:54:51 derived neurotropic factor, but unlike unlike Cmax. Cmax is more of a stimulant. Yeah. Solank is in zoolitic, but both of them have similar effects with in terms of like memory recall and all that stuff. So I've been taking that test offense. And you weren't that But both of them have similar effects with in terms of like memory recall and all that stuff. So I've been taking that. So test offense anymore at that virtue of a fan. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:55:10 I didn't care for die hexade really either. I didn't notice anything on die hexade. I didn't notice that one as much. But the reviews on it are crazy. Some people just love that. Yeah, I remember they recommended it as like one of the favorites I think. I didn't feel, and maybe that's because I felt too much

Starting point is 00:55:23 from CMACS that felt that felt that that was like because I know It's a difference when I take you know what that's what I got to talk about the combination of bpc 157 and kpb. Yeah oral for gut health Holy cow. Is that the one I'm supposed to do for my psoriasis that you said on a cream? Okay, yes, so you think you can give you topical and Bro, you got it. I can't believe you haven't done this Well, I want to okay, so I'm gonna do the my protocol first I don't want to do everything at once. I want to do that first and see how much my psoriasis and

Starting point is 00:55:55 then I'll then I'll add that on Bro, I do the same time If you look up the data on k pv. Well, let me write it down. So don't forget bpc157 slash No, I know that one will give you the other one k pv Alright, don't so don't forget. BPC157 slash. No, I know that one. We'll give you the other one. KPV.

Starting point is 00:56:05 KPV. But KPV topical. Yes. Right. If you look at the data on KPV, on psoriasis and eczema, it's crazy. And BPC also for psoriasis and eczema is crazy. Oh, do I need to have the oral, huh? Not the, not the, because I have the injectable BPC.

Starting point is 00:56:24 See if you can get it topical because you want to put it on. No, no, no BPC now BPC. I have injectable, but you're talking about the oral one. No, for me, for my gut, well, if I'm doing it for psoriasis, wouldn't it be better if I did it with that? Topical. See if they can put it all in a cream. Okay.

Starting point is 00:56:40 Yeah, see if they make it all in a, I think you might only be able to get KPB that way. But if you could get BPC Got all these letters BPC. Well, and if I can't I know apologize the audience for being selfish right here But if I don't do this I won't remember BPC if I do that and they don't do topical then Is the injection okay then still still systemic okay, and then do the KPV cream on your skin But anyway the oral cap that what the oral cap, the capsules, I take the capsules for gut health, remarkable. It's where, and now it took a couple of weeks

Starting point is 00:57:10 for me to really start to notice, but my gut is like so much more resilient than it used to be versus when I didn't take it. So it's definitely top three for me for gut health is that combo right there. And it's inexpensive. I know BPC's a cheaper peptide, not sure about KPV, but great combination.

Starting point is 00:57:32 So 100%. But yeah, if you're interested in this kind of stuff, I need to say this every time, don't go online, go gray market. You don't know what the hell is in those research chemicals. Go through a doctor that goes through an actual pharmacy and then we have people at MP1 and stuff on. I actually wish I would have shared that stat,

Starting point is 00:57:46 I read some stat on like actually the amount of like gray market stuff, that's like increasing right now like a fake shit, bad shit. I know, yeah. I know, it's crazy. All right, so I got a shout out that is really cool. I'm Twitter or X, what are they calling out? X. Is it X?

Starting point is 00:58:01 It's X. You're gonna love this bro. All right. I don't even know what, I hope you're following these people. Illuminati bot. All right. Bro, if you like, are you shouting out conspiracy theory stuff? Yes.

Starting point is 00:58:12 It's so good. Did you see my meme I posted the other day about that? No. With the, like the, the, You're getting deep in it too, bro. You said some weird shit there. What are you sending me? I asked.

Starting point is 00:58:20 I was gonna get this shirt as like, as like 20 tally marks and like none. You know what, so you you know why you're new to the conspiracy world. So you still buy everything we sent us I've been with this guy for over 15 years Yeah, they haven't accepted that You haven't let anything The last few years have opened you up. No, what did you send us you sent us this clip that shows that Taylor Swift? Oh, yeah, it looks identical to the Just kind of like throw that it like see what happens when I put it to the same one. There's a part where maybe it just kind of like

Starting point is 00:58:45 throw that, like see what happens when I put it in the group thread with you guys. If you want it to be a, you want it, you want it validation. That was a deal. What's the one you just sent to the other day were like, what the fuck? Oh, yeah, so this pertains to that painting

Starting point is 00:58:57 out of the girl. It's like, they're not even real. Yeah, so apparently like they did some digital scan, like some guy online of the She's had to see if it was like to see I yeah, if it was actually her or not based off of like and if it's real It's it scores like a 6.5 or above or something like 6.6 and this is scored like a 1.2 or something so according to this to this annel and analysis It's not her it wasn't her face. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:25 So I saw that. They traced the IP address to the White House. Yeah, White House. Like literally the same street. So I saw that and then I saw the people that were counter-argument and they're just like, you can actually, if you dig on her, you can find out about her. You know what though?

Starting point is 00:59:39 You guys ever look at pictures of like Biden went before and now look at his face or who was it Jamie Fox who came out and talked and they showed his face before and after and like that looks not like. Okay. Have you ever seen so you know mission of possible how they have those like masks and stuff that they get rolled sophisticated with this. There's this lay that won like Nobel awards for being able to literally like make mass

Starting point is 01:00:04 of people and voice changing devices to indistinguishable. Yep. And she worked for the CIA. So that really exists. Yeah. So there you go. So a record style with it. So it's facts. Those are people who are. Anyway, the shout out Illuminati bot.

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Starting point is 01:00:42 So it's Paleo Valley.com forward slash Mind Pump pump, use the code mind pump 15 and get 15% off your order. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Jason from Nova Scotia. Jason, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how you doing? Good. So my name's Jason Murphy.

Starting point is 01:01:00 I'm from Nova Scotia, Canada. I'm just gonna jump right into my question here and then give you some background information. So I picked up, listening to you guys summer of 2022. I don't think I've missed any episodes. So I've heard you talk a lot about walking and cardio in the signal that it sends. So my question is with the idea that cardio sends an endurance signal to the body that can conflict with the idea that cardio sends an endurance signal to the body that can conflict with the strength building signal. At what point would the intensity level of walking shift from recovery and healthy movement to cardio and interfere with the

Starting point is 01:01:35 muscle building signal. So I'm thinking in terms of intensity, volume, how many times a week, frequency, number of steps, those types of things. And I'll give you some background and a reason why I'm asking the question. So right now I'm 40 years old, I've got two boys, I've got a high intensity job working for a regional center of education, I own two businesses, I'm a co-owner of a microbrewery and a property, I'm a sole owner of a property development company. I've got an awesome girlfriend. So life's busy for me. I do like to run. So in the spring, summer fall, I like to run twice a week, five kilometers, and that takes me between 22 and a half and 25 and a half minutes to do that.

Starting point is 01:02:21 So back in 2022, I was weighing 250 pounds. I was doing a lot. I was trying to get 100,000 steps per week. I was running three times a week. I was strength training six times a week, eating 2200 calories with the occasional summer barbecue where I got up to three, four thousand calories. Wasn't happy with my results.

Starting point is 01:02:42 Listen to you guys. I decided it was time to try a reverse diet slash bulk, reversed way too hard. I did listen to your metabolism boosting episode, somewhere back in October, and bought the metabolism boosting pack. So I got the God to reverse dieting, power lift, and a ball. I will say through that reverse, I did get up to 275, but I did hit some PRs. I did anabolic. I will say through that reverse, I did get up to 275, but I did hit some PIRs. I did anabolic. I followed it with symmetry and then I did anabolic again and I was able to squat 405 and dead

Starting point is 01:03:12 left 495. And after that in January, I decided I need to start a cut again. It went well. I did anabolic. I did aesthetic and I did phase one of cardio. In April, that April I picked up running again one to two times a week. I aimed for 10 to 12,000 steps a day. I got myself down to 225 pounds.

Starting point is 01:03:33 My squat was still 405 and my deadlift dropped to 455. So right now my goal is to reverse back out of this. I want to keep my weights below 240. I want to get up to 3200 calories per day. I plan on doing this flow. I'm hoping to hit 3200 calories around January. My programming plan right now, I'm doing phase two and phase three as symmetry while I'm still running one to two days a week. So I still have a race in early October that I'm so training for. And then after that, I'm going to head into Annabelle, like advanced. And I'm going to drop the running because I'm a fair weather runner. I don't like doing it when the weather's shitty. So

Starting point is 01:04:14 I'm going to back off of that. I guess my question is, again, at what point do what signal should I look for to know that I'm interfering with that muscle building signal? Because as I get into antibiotic advanced in reverse dieting, I want to build muscle and I want to gain strength. Yeah, Jason, are you like six, five? Yeah, how tall are you?

Starting point is 01:04:36 That's what I was just gonna ask that. Five, eleven, six. Whoa, you're five, eleven, you bulked up to two, seventy-five and then you cut down to two, twenty-five? Yes. Holy shit. What's your body fat percentage at do you know? I? Don't know exactly. I don't I've never measured it. I try and compared to pictures I think this summer when I was 225 it would have been right around 20% were you jacked or Yeah, we were fat. We would you look like a 275?

Starting point is 01:05:01 So I gained a game muscle and strength, but I was way too fat way too fat Okay, so a 50 pound not look like a 275. But I gained muscle and strength, but I was way too fat. Way too fat. Okay. A 50 pounder not look like somebody who even could carry that. You look way leaner than that. Yeah, I picture that. A 50 pound swing and body weight is a lot. From 275 to 225, but your height is way too much.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah, yeah, I thought so. So you didn't do a reverse thigh. You just went, you just, you, yeah, you binge. And then the cut sounds a little aggressive, and you're doing a lot of, like what's your goal? What is your goal here? Is your goal just to move and be busy? Do you have a specific goal? I mean, I've got two young boys that are busy,

Starting point is 01:05:35 so I want to be able to keep up with them. And I can now, which is good. I want to be strong, but right now, as I get into next summer, the long-term goal is aesthetically I want to be better than right now as I get into next summer the long-term goal is aesthetically I want to be better than I was this past summer. So I'd like to be 225 or less and instead of 20-ish percent body fat, I'd like to be 15-ish percent body fat.

Starting point is 01:05:55 Okay, well, I mean you could do all that with all the running and stuff too. So here's a deal. I'm going to give you a general answer because context matters here with the question that you asked. If you're training cardio to try to improve stamina and endurance and you're pushing it, that's when it starts to interfere with strength training. It's typically interferes when you're pushing for competing performance goals. Strength and maximum endurance tend to compete.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Now, if you're just walking and you're not training walking, like you're trying to go for crazy distance to improve performance, it's fine. It's probably okay. Now, context matters if the calories are low, if you're over stress, if you're not sleeping enough, then you know, that could also be too much, but generally speaking, it's fine. As long as you're not training to maximize endurance while you're training to maximize your strength, it sounds like you're doing too much and it sounds like you're going too far in either direction with all of this. This is actually a lot easier than it needs. It's going to be easier than it needs. Way easier than it needs. You do way more than you need to.

Starting point is 01:06:54 You know what I love to tell somebody who's not like a hardcore, like people that just don't love running, but they want to keep the car, like just focus on your mile time. Like literally, like you should be able to run a mile under 10 minutes. If you're a relatively fit person, you can improve that relatively quick. And I'll tell you right now, the very few times in your life

Starting point is 01:07:12 or you're ever gonna have to chase anybody longer than a mile, and you're gonna be just fine. Like this people go from that to like 30 minute, 40 minute, these huge, like there's, unless you want to be really good at doing 40 minutes of cardiovascular endurance type training, then there's no reason to train that. I would literally run a mile.

Starting point is 01:07:32 Like I would run a mile and improve my mile time and keep it, find a place you love it at where you feel like, man, I feel good when I keep it under X amount of minutes and maintain that. And that only, you can literally do that every other day running before you train. It's that simple on the cardio side. And then the weight training, you don't need even need to be doing as much lifting as you're doing.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Full body routine three, four days a week is going to, is going to build an epic physique. And if you can still run a mile under eight minutes and you're training three, four days full body, you can build an incredible physique. You're eating what now? What are you eating at 2,200 calories a day? I've bumped it up between 23 and 24 now as I'm trying to reverse. Yeah, I would reverse up to 3,000 while trying to build.

Starting point is 01:08:22 I mean, for guy your size, you want to be around that, maybe even a little higher. I wouldn't do a quick, I wouldn't reverse super fast, I would give yourself some time. And I would just focus on strength and muscle, and I wouldn't worry so much about pushing performance and endurance. Walking is totally fine. You want to do it like what Adam said. I mean, you know, you could do that a couple days a week, no problem, wouldn't be an issue. And that's pretty much it. It's your because I've worked with so many people, Jason, I'm getting a very strong sense that you're the kind of person that over does it. That's just overdoing everything.

Starting point is 01:08:54 Overdoing the diet, overdoing it many books, overdoing it many books. You think? You think? Overdoing it, doing the workout. So yeah, and with your reverse diet, you should not see a 50 pound swing in body weight. If you reverse diet properly, you'll go up from what your body weight is now, you'll go up maybe 10 pounds at most.

Starting point is 01:09:11 Yeah, that's about it. And by the way, the reason why none of us answered the actual original question, which is like, where's the cardio threshold? There's actually a cardio threshold is what that means is once your heart rate exceeds a certain heart rate, you then dip into cardiovascular endurance

Starting point is 01:09:27 versus just moving. Now, the reason why none of us answer that is because that changes all the time. And so individual, yeah. So the more cardiovascular endurance adapted you are, the higher that number is gonna be. So in other words, somebody who always runs

Starting point is 01:09:45 all the time, they could get away with doing that and never even tip, like they could get away with like a pretty good light jog and never even jump into cardio threshold. Versus somebody who doesn't ever do that, and then they can barely do a power walk and they could dip into their cardio threshold. So it really has a lot to do with your cardiovascular endurance on when does it tip over from being just activity and walking type of movement versus cardiovascular endurance training has everything to do with where your level is. But again, back to my original point, if you just want to like, because I have very similar goals, I'm over 40 years old, I have a kid, I wanna be able to play sports with him and kinda run out, I wanna be faster than he is

Starting point is 01:10:28 until I no longer am. And so if I can keep my mild time down, there ain't much he can do that's gonna burn me out to where I can't sustain that. And that is enough that I'm not ever sacrificing my gains, or building muscle and building the physique, which is what I'm more passionate about. I'm more passionate about being strong, looking strong, feeling good, looking good, and as

Starting point is 01:10:49 long as I can run around and play with him and kick his ass at most things, I'm pretty happy. And so keeping a good mild time while also building an awesome physique is my opinion one of the best ways to do that. There you go. Yeah. I feel the same way. I'll tell you, I'm a, you know, hyper competitive person.

Starting point is 01:11:05 I do three races a year with my girlfriend and my friends. And I, right now in the fastest of the group, and I don't want to lose that. But, but I, I'm conflicted because strength training, being strong and building a great physique is more important to me, but I hate losing. So I do, I have a hard time giving up the running for sure. Yeah, you have to make a choice. Yeah, yeah's got to get something's got to give and it seems like

Starting point is 01:11:27 you're kind of you go all in on whatever it is you decide you want to do for time and you don't need to do that. You can literally have a nice nice balance of staying and here there's nothing wrong with like keeping your mild time down and then let's say you know you know you're a wild hair and you're like you know what I want to train for a race for the next two or three months and then you can shift your focus of strength training and being the super strong guy and now being more cardiovascular guy. That's what's beautiful about cardio endurance.

Starting point is 01:11:51 You can shift that in a week. It's a very quick animation. Super fast. The strength training and building the physique and building the metabolism and sculpting a body, that takes consistency and diet and it's slow, and it's like, so I would put almost all my focus on that while also like, okay, as long as I can keep my myel time, so I can still do it under eight minutes, I'm fit enough that I know that if I needed to turn

Starting point is 01:12:13 it on for a race in a month, I could turn it on and be ready for that race. That's how I would, if I'm you, that's how I would approach my training, is I would always keep a decent myel time, but everything is focused around building the metallic building the physique, looking a certain way. And then when I get those, you know, once a year, twice a year where I want to go compete in a race, I know within a couple weeks, I can be ready for that race since I've been maintaining a good mile time easily. Okay, excellent. Thank you. You got it Jason. Thanks for calling in.

Starting point is 01:12:42 All right. Bye bye. Yeah, ultimately it's really just are you trained? Are you trying to build endurance while you're trying to build strength? By the way, according based on what you said, it's like building muscle and strength slow to come, but also slow to go. Uh, stamina and endurance slow to quick to come, but also quick to go. Easy. Yeah. Both ways. That's why it's like it doesn't and I tell you what, if you keep a good mile time where he could he could. Yeah, you're fine to go. Easy. Yeah, both ways. That's why it doesn't, and I tell you what, if you keep a good mile time, where he could, he gets, yeah, you're fine.

Starting point is 01:13:08 Yeah, he could keep his, if he could just mile under eight minutes or even less. Yeah. And that, that's seven or eight minutes of running. That's not a lot of running now. Yeah, seven, eight minutes of running. Keep that volume down low. Yeah, you keep that right there, and then,

Starting point is 01:13:20 and then the rest is all focused on building a physique and training. Like, I mean, I'm always keeping this in mind too. And even just doing like hit sessions and doing things where I'm like, a little bit of circuit training, a little bit of something to address, just stamina in general. I think it's a good thing to consider. But yeah, I mean, it's, you don't really need much more than that to be able to just get up and go. We'll.

Starting point is 01:13:43 Our next color is is Ona from Spain. Hi Ona, how can we help you? Hi guys, nice to meet you. Hi. I'm so glad to be here talking to you. I've been listening to you from six years ago now. Oh wow. Yeah, and you have been a really good guy

Starting point is 01:14:00 and a big support in my journey. So I'm going to read my question. Well, I'm 38 years old, and I suffer a minor癌, so I'm my early 20s with no diagnosis. It's not that I'm a man of pose or PCO. I've always rejected taking bad control pills because I'm against it, and I'm confused

Starting point is 01:14:25 of each side's effect. In fact, the last time I tried, I suffered from parasites, cybor and intestinal candida. Around my 30s, I was diagnostic with osteophenia and now it's already osteoporosis and doctors prescribed me HRT, which I want to avoid. A little bit of my background, I was a cardio addict for a long time, competing in ultra-dry running races until I broke my hip and I've got a prosthesis. At this point, I found you guys, but I still push myself along with other forms of cardio, such as swimming or riding a road bike for a long distance. Until I finally switched my mind and I've been lifting consistently for three years. But there have been

Starting point is 01:15:13 season with more cardio with weights as you call, rather than proper weight training. I just finished my abs and a volic and I started to enjoy this kind of training. maps and a volic and I started to enjoy this kind of training. Mark Curran weight is 42 kilograms and 8% body fat measured by my nutritionist with calibers. Last year I reached 38 and 4.5 body fat. Concealing nutrients and kind of restrictive either I will say I suffer from orthorexia. restrictive either I will say I suffer from orthorexia. Iting only will call foods I never eat out, no processed foods and of course prejudicing protein between 120 140 grams per day. My sleep is off from years now as a listener of Hubertman podcast I'm following all the right protocols, but teams

Starting point is 01:16:05 not to having any effect. My question is related to peptides. Will you recommend them to avoid HRT? Through one of your episodes, I contacted with Jay Campbell. He told me he has a private forum, but his personal guidance as a doctor provides. Could you address me to some experts who can help me considering I'm from Barcelona staying? Yeah, okay, so have you been told you exercise too much you don't eat enough and that's probably why you suffer from okay, so why are you asking us about peptides? Because I thought when you had this episode with J Campbell, I thought it was a good solution or alternative. Alternative to what? To Australians or to taking edge RT or.

Starting point is 01:16:54 Or not exercising as much and eating more? Okay, so I'm gonna give you, listen, I'm gonna give you the answer, okay? If you want the answer, I have it, but I think you know what the answer is. I think you already know. And I think it, but I think you know what the answer is. I think you already know, and I think what you're doing is you're trying to ask if there's ways you could go around doing what you need to do

Starting point is 01:17:11 by taking something else. I'm gonna tell you right now, peptides are not gonna help you. Peptide, there are peptides that just, and hormones, three treatments, that can help with bone density, but it's minuscule. I mean, you're young and you're already in osteoporosis, okay? Hormone therapy, peptides, osteoporosis drugs

Starting point is 01:17:31 that depress the immune system, they will increase your bone density in a very small percentage or at best, if you're lucky, they'll prevent the continual bone loss at best, and they have their own side effects. And none of them would compare to a calorie surplus and falling maps and a baller to a tee with rest periods. I'm gonna tell you the answer right now.

Starting point is 01:17:50 This will do it for you. Whether you do it or not is up to you, but this will 100% fix the problem. Number one, you've already probably done this, but I would check for need nutrient deficiencies because if you have a deficiency in let's say, magnesium or vitamin D, then it'll make it very difficult. So, and I'm sure you've already been tested,

Starting point is 01:18:07 but if you haven't, it's a very simple test with your doctor. So I would get my nutrient levels tested. Number two, I would go into calories surplus. I would eat more calories, a lot more calories, a lot more. I would bump your calories slowly over time, and probably get yourself a good 1000 to 15 or calories more than what you're eating now. Number three, I would only do strength training two to three days a week and I would do no other

Starting point is 01:18:29 exercise, no more cardio for you. The cardio plus the calorie restriction is what got you in this place. And what's happening is your body is your body's eating away at itself. If you don't reverse those things, no peptide and no hormone on earth is gonna stop what's happening right now. And by the way, the advice you just gave will crush any HRT peptide. Oh my God, you'll see it's better than all of it. It's better than all of it.

Starting point is 01:18:55 You'll see a reversal in what's happening within a very, within a four to eight to 12 week period, very quickly. Okay, so guys, do you think that if I start to eat a lot more and just just I say three days per week, even if I do avoid the instructions or peptides or whatever, my bone density will increase? Yes, yes. As long as you don't have a nutrient deficiency, I wanna make sure that that's clear.

Starting point is 01:19:25 Right. Absolutely. Nothing tells your body to build bone, like strength training. And then you need to feed your body appropriately, eating two little calories, losing your period, which you also talked about here. No, yeah, 20 years ago.

Starting point is 01:19:38 So, yeah, so your body doesn't feel healthy enough to even be fertile. So it's not letting you have a period. And now you've gotten to the point where your body's eating away at itself. And the bone loss is significant signal. And if you don't reverse that, it's gonna be very bad. So yes, pump the calories, exercise less, no cardio at all.

Starting point is 01:19:56 You can walk, but I would do no more running, no more cardio. I would do, no, I'm not running at all. I'm just, no, just, I can't do anything. Just walk it. Swimming sometimes. Swimming's fine. Yeah, that's all. And just, uh, no, just, I think then swimming sometimes. Swimming is fine. Yeah, that's fine. And I would lift weights. I would lift weights two to three days a week.

Starting point is 01:20:10 So Matt said, a ball will be the perfect program for you. And yeah, I'm already following. And that'll do it. That will 100% do it. All the peptides, hormones, all stuff, you might not even notice anything from taking those if you don't stop,

Starting point is 01:20:24 if you don't do the things that I said. When you swim, how long are you swimming for? Right now during the summer because here in summer is easier to swim about 2000 meters. I don't know in Jads how many? 2000 meters. So how long a time wise? Half hour hour two hour, like how long? No, it's 45 minutes, 15 minutes, more or less. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine with that. Oh, no, have you talked, have you met with the therapist about your relationship with diet and exercise? Because you over train, you're under eat. Have you, have you talked with anybody? Well, yes. Yes. I have been in therapy, but not with one person with a group and my nutritionist

Starting point is 01:21:07 is a little bit of that. So it's difficult for him to push me to how many calories I need to eat because he's always telling me, but I'm not following to the tip. Listen, the answer is going to be simple, but following it is going to the deep. Yeah, listen, the answer is gonna be simple, but following it is gonna be hard, right, because you have a, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah. But when I told you we'll do it, it'll 100% do it.

Starting point is 01:21:34 And then, so even if I was going to explore HRT and peptides with you, which I do see as a potential option in the future, this would be what I want to do with you first, no matter what. So I would want to give you the big rock first, the thing that's going to make the biggest difference because then only then do those things really work

Starting point is 01:21:54 because if you put someone on HRT or give them peptides and they're still malnutrition and overtraining, you're gonna see little to nothing from all that expensive therapy. So if you really want to potentially benefit from those peptides or from either one of those, we've got to first get this right here. We've got to get the calories. We've got to get the calories up and just focus on trying to get stronger with lifting

Starting point is 01:22:17 weights. And you're doing it. And how many calories, how many calories do you think? Where are you at right now, Daley? Where are you at right now, Where you at right now, Daily? About 1,500. Yeah, I know. I would get you up to 2,000 right away.

Starting point is 01:22:33 And then slowly bring them higher, little by little, while following the exercise advice that we gave. Like a reverse diet or something like that. Correct, yes. I'd get you right to 2,000 right away. and then after that, we would be talking on a regular base. In fact, I want to put you in our private form.

Starting point is 01:22:51 Are you in our private form already or no? No, because I don't have a social media platforms. Oh, good for you. I don't use them. Just Instagram to follow you guys on Cuberman, but I don't, but well, if it's because of the forum, I will just sign up and... if, if, uh, is because of the forum, I will just sign up and, okay, well, then I want to give you free access. Okay, because I'd like to, I'd like to stay in touch with you as you go through this

Starting point is 01:23:13 process, because I do know how difficult, as simple as the advice we're giving and saying, I know how difficult it can be to follow. And so if we can be there for moral support, we have a great community community in there. By the way, we've got at least a handful of people that have actually gone through the exact same thing before. So there's a great community in there of support, including us. And that, I'd get you to 2000 right away. And then I'd want to hear about how is maps and a ball going? Where's your deadlift at? Where's your squad at?

Starting point is 01:23:41 How strong are you? Have we added weight to the bar? And I would be encouraging you to get lifting heavier and heavier. Take your mentality. And because it's going to be hard to take your mentality and just turn it off, take your mentality and point it towards getting stronger. Go ahead and become obsessed with getting stronger for now.

Starting point is 01:23:59 At some point, we're going to have to fix that as well. But for now, if you could take your focus and your obsessed kind of mentality have with exercise and diet and put it towards strength, I wanna get stronger, I wanna see how strong I can get. That's gonna take you out of this initially. And I've worked with people worse off than you and we've reversed bone loss through this protocol.

Starting point is 01:24:23 And they were worse than me. Yes. I worked with a woman who was so bad with our Austria process. It was basically an emergency situation. And we saw reversals to the point where the doctors got on the phone with me because they couldn't, it was just shocking that she improved the way she did. So I've seen this before. You could totally do this. The reason why you are where you are right now is because of what you're doing

Starting point is 01:24:46 So we know what the problem is that's why I know this is this is that's why I know you're probably gonna get Great response if you get out of it Yeah, but now for my mind is like to jump into the black hole, you know, yeah, so like okay, there is no to the black hole, you know? Yeah. So like, okay, there is no age or I don't know, I'm sorry because I don't know how to play in English right now, but well, it's really difficult for me. It's like jumping to the swimming pool,

Starting point is 01:25:14 but you don't know if there is water or not, you know? You have something like that, it's really. You have us, you have us. On a communicate with us through the forum, look, here's what's happened. You've developed this friendship with exercise and diet and it's probably been there for you when other people haven't. It's been there for you for a long time whether you're stressed or scared or depressed. You could always reach for that friend. But like a drug,

Starting point is 01:25:41 this friend is hurting you now. So we have to just change the relationship. We just have to change the relationship. And one of the easiest ways to do it is to focus on getting strong. Just like that mentality you have with your, I gotta do this, I gotta do the focus on getting strong. If you get stronger, your bones are building. So if you can lift more weight in the gym, that means your bones are going the right direction. Oh, now, how long have you been doing maps on a ballad for now? Just one round now. I finished just the first round. You went all the way. Yeah, yeah, I already finished. Yeah, promise me as you go through it again to rest as long or longer than we say in there.

Starting point is 01:26:20 In between sets. No, I'm doing it because three minutes three minutes longer go read a book in between sets I don't care no between sets I'm listening to you guys I always listen to your podcast while I'm okay okay do you take do you take creating do you take creating no no I have creating at home but I don't know how to take it and today I have asked my nutritionist but he didn't know how to take it. And today I have asked my nutritionist, but he didn't answer me. How many grams and when and five grams? Five grams a day after your workout or on the days you don't work out just

Starting point is 01:26:56 taking the morning five grams a day. That'll also help with the that'll help with both. After the workout, after the workout and on the days you don't work out just taking in the morning. That will help will help by the way if you forget to take it right after it doesn't matter just take it every day. Yeah you can get every day. No, don't worry I'm really a stick on the supplements. No, for me it's not a problem. I'm really conscious and you know, constant with the five-grouch post work. Yeah it's actually it's already been shown to help with bone density. So, no, no, that's why I already about it.

Starting point is 01:27:28 Okay. And I have to say that I'm happy about your answer because I prefer to stick on the nutrition and training than Australians are baptized, you know, because it's like the fact I don't, I don't. Us too. Us too. We would always go that direction first. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. We're going to get you in the form.

Starting point is 01:27:51 Okay. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much. We'll be in touch. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

Starting point is 01:27:59 Bye. Oh, I feel for her. Yeah. That is tough. Yeah. Yeah. She. I mean, the answer is very clear. Yeah. Yeah. But the problem is it's going to be a really hard relationship for her to bring. I mean, that's one of those colors word. I mean, you'd like to have two hours with her. I know. Obviously, there's something that led us down this path to, I mean, to push that far to where I trained

Starting point is 01:28:18 one other person like her where I trained a young lady who was getting into osteoporosis, because she over trained herself for so long and underate for so long She reversed it so quickly because she applied all that stuff because her body is literally there because it has no choice Yeah, she's beat the shit out of herself for years and years and years and hey kudos to her for this She's been listening to us for six years. She's just now done maps that of all Yeah, well bro six years hearing hearing, hearing us talk about that stuff the long play. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:48 Right. Right. Our next caller is Rachel from Pennsylvania. Hi, Rachel. How can we help you? Hi, guys. Thanks for having me on. You got it.

Starting point is 01:28:58 So you guys have my background in question, but sometimes past since I initially wrote in, so I'll just update as I go through. Okay. I ran aesthetic in the spring and I was trying to lean out, but I was having a really hard time staying disciplined eating. I eat pound for pound and protein, and I was trying to aim between 1700 and 2000 calories when I was trying to cut, but I was probably average and closer to like 2200, 24, 400 and essentially doing well most of the day, but then just losing control in the evenings.

Starting point is 01:29:31 And so I figured it was probably a combination of doing a little bit higher volume than I was used to and then just having a tendency to deprive myself a little bit and then when I reintroduced things, it was kind of like a snowball and then a binge, that kind of thing. And so I wasn't really able to consistently get that under control all summer, but I decided to start maps, anabolic at the end of July.

Starting point is 01:29:57 And since then I've had a bit better control. I'm doing, I'm toward the end of phase two right now. And then once a week I do a hot yoga class. And then I also average about 20 to 25,000 steps every day. But essentially, I have this issue where I'm flipping back and forth. I feel like every couple of weeks between being able to be really disciplined

Starting point is 01:30:17 and staying around 1700 calories, but then going back to feeling like I can't stop eating or I want to eat past full. So I'm trying to figure out what the root of it might be and I'm thinking some of it might be a little bit behavioral, but I'm also wondering if my maintenance calories are higher than I think they are. And so when I'm cutting, I'm too low.

Starting point is 01:30:41 So I guess I just wanted to see what you guys thought about that. I think that's a good guess because that would be my... So, what are you doing to get 20 to 25,000 steps a day? What do you do for work? I actually work from home. So, I... Well, instead of commuting now, I used to commute like 45, 50 minutes in an out of Pittsburgh. So, I get up, I'll go to...

Starting point is 01:31:03 On the days that I don't go to the gym, I just get up and I go for like an hour walk in the mornings. And then when I take my lunch, I go for another hour walk. And then in the evening after dinner, I go for another hour walk. Okay. And that didn't always, it wasn't always that way. I kind of started with like 15,000 or 10,000.

Starting point is 01:31:22 And then it kind of grew each year. And so I've been doing that for like probably the last five, five years. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. My guess is you're, I think you're burning more colors than you think you are. I think you might need it. You said there's some behavioral stuff. Have you ever dealt with like, like huge weight fluctuations? Does your, do you have issues with food where if you're really stressed,

Starting point is 01:31:42 or anxious, I mean, everybody does that. But do you find yourself? I think I, I mean, everybody does that, but do you find yourself? I think there's a stress from work and just like a life stress in general. As far as like huge weight fluctuations, not a ton. I mean, I had, I played soccer my entire life through college and I had, I had three ACL surgeries, so I'd have these periods of not being able to do pretty much

Starting point is 01:32:04 anything for like seven months and then going back to being really active again. And then so that happened three times. But since then I don't really run much anymore at all. I just stick to doing weight lifting. You have it. You have a lot of muscle. Yeah. I pull up your pictures. I think you just need to eat more. Yeah, more calories. You might need more fat in your diet Sometimes the fats a little low, but you might need more care It sounds like you have a fast metabolism. You have really good muscle I would try a reverse diet to see what happened. I mean the picture you sent you've got a visible six pack

Starting point is 01:32:37 How close are you to that body fat percentage the picture that you sent us? I'm probably getting so So whenever that photo was taken that was right before I actually did a bod pod test and I came up as 17.5 around then. Now I use an EKG scale and I keep all my factors consistent when I do it. Right now I'm like a couple pounds higher and one percent higher than that. Then I was when I weighed during that time. You're just, you got a, you're, you're, you're body. Yeah, you're going to be once more. You're an X-Accle.

Starting point is 01:33:10 I go for it. I can tell you you had a lot of muscle in your legs too. And you're walking to, and the other thing too is you haven't been walking 20, 25,000 steps your whole life. Like you just are like doing that. So that's burning a lot more. If somebody was like, like if I talk to like a male carrier or like I remember I train one time a soccer ref, he'd been one for like two decades.

Starting point is 01:33:29 I'm doing that every day. They've been doing that every day for decades. Like their bodies become adapted to that. And so it's not like a huge calorie burn for them. But if you are actively seeking out that many steps and you haven't been doing that your whole life, you've only been doing that, say for the last year or less, it's a lot of calorie demand, even for walking. It's a lot of calorie demand that you're, and on a body that is built like yours with that much muscle, you probably need closer to 3,000 calories.

Starting point is 01:33:53 Rachel, are you eating whole natural foods? Are you eating processed foods? Yeah, absolutely. Whole natural foods, I'm really into nutrition and cooking and all that. I think there are a couple other things that I should mention that I don't know if this will change anything. So I went off birth control after being on it for like nine years and I haven't had a period since February now. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:14 And then I also used to do more intermittent fasting, but I haven't technically been doing it because I have creamer in my coffee. It's just I haven't been having that first like big meal of the day until around noon. And after listening to more research around intermittent fasting, I'm starting to hear more about how it could inadvertently affect your period as a female. So. Rachel, so all right, this is actually kind of simple. And I know what's happening here is for a female, you probably eat more than a lot of your friends, and maybe even more than your boyfriends. You're like, am I eating too much? Like what's going on?

Starting point is 01:34:52 First off, you can take a while to get your period back, but you're so lean, that's part of the problem. You gotta go on a bulk if you want your period to come back. You've been an athlete for so long, and I can see your shoulders, you're really lean. So I think you should go on a reverse diet and don't judge where it goes. I bet you're going to get close to 3000 calories and be totally fine. I mean, in an easy way to do this, if you, if I don't know how long have you still,

Starting point is 01:35:15 are you still just doing the coffee and cream thing in the morning or you could, yeah, throw brows just to have a nice big breakfast, have a good fat protein. Yeah, I've been trying to like add that big meal earlier intentionally. Yeah, I bet that'll handle your cravings later on the day. Yeah. If you have a like nice 500, 600 calorie breakfast, maybe some scrambled eggs with cheese, some vegetables, maybe some throw some steak in there, ground beef,

Starting point is 01:35:38 and that'll probably handle the cravings later. But you gotta eat more. Your calories are too low for your body. You have higher nutrient demands. That's 100% or I'll go with your question. You look amazing though. You could totally compete. You got the physical.

Starting point is 01:35:53 Yeah, I always get asked. I'm just like, I don't know. I really love, I mean, I'm just such a foodie. I love to eat, love to cook. So I'm just like, I don't know if I want to sack. Eat some more, girl, because you got, you're put, yeah, you're plenty lean enough right now and you're moving a ton, and you have a lot of muscle that,

Starting point is 01:36:10 and your intuition is right. What you feel is that your body just wants more. That's it. There's no, like, you're what you're probably thinking as your maintenance is probably a cut for you, and you could get away with easily eating 2800 to 3000. You know how strong you're gonna get, if you start eating a little more in the gym.

Starting point is 01:36:25 You're gonna be, it's gonna be pretty crazy. Oh yeah, what program are bars at? What are you running right now? What are you currently running? I'm in like the last week of phase two of Annabelle right now. Okay. And then you, I see you ran aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:36:37 You said, those are two main programs you ran of bars? Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Give her second Annabelle. Yeah, Annabelle advanced. Yeah, give her I like it. Give her second anabolic. Yeah, anabolic. Yeah, give her anabolic advance. Now what's the difference? Is that like a four? Is that four or five days a week? No, it's four days, but it's a totally different program. Yeah, and there's like failure training in

Starting point is 01:36:57 there. There's some cool stuff that someone who's advanced like you, and if you are in a calorie surplus, I would love to see how you benefit from it. Yeah, you're gonna love it. Throw some extra calories on, run that program next, and then get back to us. Yeah, I have one other little question that sort of piggybacks off that if you guys will hear it. I also had my resting metabolic rate measured in a lab. And it came back that I burned just 1400 calories at rest.

Starting point is 01:37:22 And it was like 18 grams of expenditure from carbs and then 137 grams from fat. Does that have any bearing on how I should split my macros? I don't really pay, okay. So I was gonna experience, I got more efficient with my fats from that, but. You're overthinking it. I mean, you probably are, but so what?

Starting point is 01:37:43 I mean, you're overthinking it. I wouldn't have you go that deep unless you're looking to go like super high level competition and you wanna get real ridiculous about it, but now you're overthinking it. Literally, everything screams to me, you just need to eat more. I mean, but let's use that number for a second just to put some perspective of what's going on here, right?

Starting point is 01:38:01 So that's like, you could lay in bed and not move all day and your metabolism will burn 1400 calories. We both know you're not just laying in bed all day, you're fucking walking for three hours and getting 25,000 steps. So that you can just go ahead and add another 1,000 calories just from that alone. Minimum, three hours of walking a day

Starting point is 01:38:19 and then throw in a MAP Santa Ballock workout three times a week plus trigger sessions in there too. I mean, you are burning a lot of calories. Yeah, I guess I just wasn't sure since I've been doing the steps for like five years now. I wasn't sure how efficient I was at it and if it was really overthinkin it. You know how we know you're efficient because you're shredded and you're and you're eating 23, 24 calories and you feel like you're not eating enough. You got to listen to your body. One of the challenges that that people make when they're fitness fanatics is they get so into the weeds with the numbers that they don't

Starting point is 01:38:52 even listen to their body anymore. They question their body. You know, I don't need to do a test on you to know that based off what you said, you probably should eat more. Yeah, I mean, you're in an awesome spot, though. Totally. I mean, you just annoyed like 90% of a few, you know, everybody hates you right now. You have abs. You have abs. You don't wanna get bigger, really? I just kind of wanna, I guess, tweak some areas,

Starting point is 01:39:16 like my legs and my butt probably, but, you know, Sounds like you got them damn good genetics, so. Yeah, yeah. I can't help with that. I've got the Italian thing going on, so. Oh, there you go. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:39:28 Well, I didn't get it. What the hell? What the hell, Rachel? Anyway, that's it. I would reverse. I'd go up in calories, lift. If you find you're building too much muscle, then I would reduce the intensity of your strength training

Starting point is 01:39:40 or place more of it on the areas of that you want to work on and then avoid strength training or do less of it for the areas you don't. This is someone who I'd let do cardio. Yeah, I'm saying. Go ahead and be catapult and lose some muscle if you're getting too muscular, you know what I'm saying? So you're in good spot. Yeah. Thanks guys.

Starting point is 01:39:56 All right. You got it. Thanks Rachel. I'm okay. Yeah. Everyone's the way I talk to somebody who's like, oh well. Everything's working great. Yeah, it's a go-on point. Don't question it.

Starting point is 01:40:07 I'm glad Doug pulled her pictures up to you. I mean, I can tell she was fit. I can tell my her friend. I didn't know she was that fit. Yeah, I mean, she's like, like, abs popping fit. No, her metabolism won't fire. Yeah. And what she's feeling is literally her body's like,

Starting point is 01:40:18 I need nutrients right now. I mean, that was her initial intuition. Yep. She literally felt that and it's like, oh, yeah, you're so, that's, and you may not think that to the point you bought. I was like, you're eating more than all your friends, maybe even your boyfriend eating that kind of calories, but I mean, of course.

Starting point is 01:40:31 Yeah. That's a thing about your female. You're sitting next to your friends and maybe even your boyfriend, like I'm eating more than everybody. I'm making you a little insecure, but yeah, you're killing it. Look at all the activity she does every day. Yeah, that's a lot of, I wanted to point that out too. Like that's a lot, 25,000 steps you guys.

Starting point is 01:40:47 Two more. In same. I've had a handful of them per week. Yeah, I've had a few, that's true. That's actually real. I mean, that's what most people do in a week. It's actually more than what most people do in an entire week. She's doing every single day.

Starting point is 01:41:01 And just because it's walking, it doesn't mean you're not burning. You're definitely burning calories doing that. And three hours daily on top of a workout. Yeah, and then a fast hotel with a body. That's it. Our next color is Ryan from Florida. Hi, Ryan. What's happening?

Starting point is 01:41:15 How can we help you? Hey guys, hey, so I just wanted to start things off by kind of saying thanks to everyone at my pump. And especially before you guys that kind of started all of a per being some great role models in pump, and especially before you guys that kind of started all of Perah, being some great role models in my life at a time that I really needed it and didn't have much guidance. I started, I finished her in when I was 16,

Starting point is 01:41:33 and that's when I started listening to you guys. So for the past five years, all you guys have had a major influence on my life and got me to where I'm back today. Cool, thank you, bro. Thank you. Yep, yep. So for the question, so I'm back today. Cool. Thank you, bro. Thank you. Yep.

Starting point is 01:41:45 Yep. So, for the question, so I'm the personal training director at an esport of fitness, which is basically like an LA fitness. It's a $5 million facility with a thousand daily check-ins on average in Tampa Bay, Florida. I've been working for the company about a year now, a little over a year, and went into it with zero sales experience and about a year of personal training experience. I now have sold about $500,000 in personal training invoice, and have been the top producer in my district, almost every month since I started. I've listened every episode you guys have and say I'm in a sense where you guys were around my age.

Starting point is 01:42:28 What advice would you guys give me to help me grow as a person, meaning like work life balance, finding purpose, developing my relationships as well as financially. And I got to just throw it in there because I've always wanted to kind of hear which guys would have to say aesthetically in terms of lifting on my stats are I'm six one 21 years old about 205 pounds and about 15% body fat Ryan You're killing it. Yeah, so real quick. So what do you what do you own the path? How much you sell per month in personal training yourself? Are you talking about yourself or your team you and your team? So the way it works is I'm mostly the only one selling the personal training and on average I mean I've had a month where I've sold like 60,000 in invoice and then on average I'll sell about like

Starting point is 01:43:12 30 to 45 You're doing a great job. All right, so I'll start with your 20 I'm 21. Yeah, you married with kids No, okay, so why you have to wait? Wait, wait. Stop asking me about work-life balance. Why you have kids here? Okay, listen, here's the,

Starting point is 01:43:31 at your age without the responsibilities of, oh, you know, family, kids, that kind of stuff, work-life balance doesn't exist. Now, you want to have some balance so you don't kill yourself, so you still gotta get sleep and that kind of stuff. But if you really want to like grow financially and crush it in the space, this is the time you test your limits. This is the time you work as hard as you can.

Starting point is 01:43:54 And you can see what you do. Trust me, you'll have time for work, life balance later on in your life. But now is not the time. When you're 21, you want to do is see how far you can push yourself. That's the goal. Yeah. Okay. And that's that's the yourself. That's the goal. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:44:06 And that's that's the empire. That's that's number one. Number two, I would look for mentorship with people who are doing better than you that you could watch, observe, and be around. This may be your manager and maybe your VP or your president and maybe someone else. But this is where you're going to learn and absorb as much as possible, because with your energy and your success already at your age, you can only go up by learning from people who've already been there before you. And that's where I got the most growth in my entire life was through mentorship.

Starting point is 01:44:36 Now, do you have aspirations to grow further within the company? Are you planning on doing things off on your own and have any ideas of what that might look like? Yeah, so I do wanna get into a GM role where I'd be the kind of like the main guy at my club. I'm not exactly sure if I wanna go down like the VP or out just because I know like how much, like I'll take a lot of years.

Starting point is 01:45:01 But I do wanna eventually kinda go in, I love personal training, that's what kinda got me into it. I like that one on one with people. So maybe branching out into doing that, either on my own or within the company. Right. I don't really know. I got lots for you, bro. That's like just getting a chance to talk to you is like getting a chance to go back and talk to one of our young ourselves right. We all started in the space 19, 20, 21 years old. We were all really young. We all were really successful at it. And there's lots of things if I could

Starting point is 01:45:34 go back and tell you myself that I would tell myself. First off, are you a big reader at all? I'm not a big reader. I'm trying to read. I Just started this week adding 20 minutes a night of reading a book But I become one become one. Well, it took I didn't I didn't start till I was 25 26 If I'm looking back if I would have started when I was 20 21 I'd be that much further ahead if I would have become I mean set like the way you set fitness goals set reading goals So start shipping away at books the same way you chipped away at getting stronger at your squat and deadlift and bench and stuff like that and your sales, okay? That's first and foremost, because that'll serve you. The stuff I would be reading if I was you, if I

Starting point is 01:46:17 was you, if you haven't picked up a millionaire next door, that's a must read at your age right now where you're starting to do well and make some good money so you don't blow it all like I did. Make sure you do that. The other one is all things leadership. So I would 100% be diving into like that that's going to serve in that serves you regardless if you stay within the company you shift to GM you move on and build your own thing get deep in the weeds with with leadership stuff like that. And then take advantage of the fact that you're working for a multi-million dollar company and that they were at one day made zero dollars and now they make millions and millions

Starting point is 01:46:52 and be very curious to how they scale to that. Because one, it's gonna serve you in your current position obviously to know more detail about the company, but really learn all the ins and out of what it took that company. And when you work for it like that, there's, you have access to that, which is kind of in line with what Sal was saying, which is like, you know, reach out to the, you know, VPs and DMs and like, sure, if that's the, what, but the point is that you figure that out,

Starting point is 01:47:17 like learn about the PNL. First engineer the whole thing. Yes. Figure out why, why they spend so much on advertising, what things they've done in the past that failed them, what was the biggest growth years? Why were they, what things they've done in the past that failed them, what was the biggest growth years, why were they, how do they manage X amount of employees, where's the biggest profit margins,

Starting point is 01:47:31 like understand all the ins and outs of the business, you're in a great seat that if you're asking upper management, those type of questions are gonna love you for that, and that's going to serve you so much if you decide to go out and build something yourself. So, reading like crazy, I would definitely pick up, like I said, the financial books,

Starting point is 01:47:51 the millionaire next door, like I told you, leadership type stuff, hang on and learn everything you possibly can about how that company got built to where it's at. And you stay right there and keep doing what you're doing because as far as where your body fat percentages and your size and the success you're having already, you're killing it right now.

Starting point is 01:48:08 And piggybacking off what Sal said, this is the time when you aren't thinking about work life balance so much, it's like, I don't have any, you get to be selfish. I get to invest every ounce I have into myself. I don't have to think about a wife. I don't have to think about a kid. I don't have to think about a kid. All I have to do is build me right now.

Starting point is 01:48:28 And so every waking moment you have, you're investing in yourself. And if you're not, then you're wasting time. Yeah, Ryan, are you, how badly do you want to succeed at this? Like, like, becoming, let's say a general manager. By the way, this is sport of fitness is where you're at. It says sister company to LA fitness. So there's multiple locations, right?

Starting point is 01:48:48 Yeah, yeah, there's probably about 150 sport of changes. All right, how bad do you want to be a GM? I'm going to tell you what to do, but you got to follow through and it's almost guaranteed way to do it. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much what's right in front of me right now.

Starting point is 01:49:02 I want you to contact a person who would be the decision maker with that and that what you're going to say to them is you say, hey, look, I want to become a general manager as fast as possible. Tell me what I need to do and what I need to deliver in order to do that. And they're going to tell you what you got to do in order to become a general manager. And then all you got to do is hit it. That's the exact conversation I had with my leadership at the time. And they had no choice but to promote me, because they gave me some lofty stuff,

Starting point is 01:49:28 and I think they thought I wouldn't do it, but I went out and I did it, and then it was like, where's my spot, where's my position? And managers love that. If you work for me and you said that to me, I'd be like, look at this son of a bit. Okay, here's what you gotta do, and then I'd watch you do it. And then I'd be like, done.

Starting point is 01:49:42 It's yours. Now aesthetically, I'm gonna give you advice, it's gonna help you both aesthetically and with your business and financially. So here's what I want you to do. I want you to be very disciplined and structured with your diet and your workouts. Not because they're gonna make you shredded or look good,

Starting point is 01:49:58 that's good side effect, but it's gonna help you with your work. If you have your meals planned out, if you have your food ready to go, you do whatever day off you have, you prep your meals, you take them with you to work, you start your day off with a workout every single day, whatever time that is, you go to bed

Starting point is 01:50:14 at the same time every night, it's only gonna make you better at work. And then the side effect of that is gonna be the aesthetics. I got one last thing for you. I know I can see her all day with you right here. I feel like out of your circle of friends, are you the most financially successful? Yeah, I'd say from,

Starting point is 01:50:34 because I'm actually from Wisconsin, and I'm younger. My friends are in college still, and I'm out of them. Yeah, I'm the only one making me right now. This is a big deal, bro. This also took me a long time to really start to, it was tough.

Starting point is 01:50:47 And I still, by the way, I talked to my childhood friends, but you really are the average of the people that you spend the most time with, the five people you spend the most time with. So actively go out and look for people doing shit that you wanna do in your life. It's probably gonna be people that are 10 years older than you. You're probably gonna be hang out with 30 year olds.

Starting point is 01:51:06 And befriend them, befriend them, hang out with them, make time for them. And people that ask me when I give this advice, I was like, how do you do that? Do you break up with your old? I was like, no, it'll naturally happen. You just make effort to hang out with the new friends that are doing the things that you want to do in your life. And it'll just, it'll naturally work itself out. You don't have to have a break up with your old friends. I'm not saying you can't still talk to your old friends with that. Just,

Starting point is 01:51:31 you want to make the people that you spend the most time with doing bigger shit than what you're doing. You will naturally get elevated in a group of guys. You need to be the loser among your friends. That's not mean be a loser. I mean, you need to be among a bunch of like killers and be like, damn, okay, it'll elevate you for sure. It's amazing what, especially someone who's like you already who's already motivated and doing well, you put you in a room where you're doing the least and you will naturally get elevated. If you don't know if you're a X-Sport guy with that, but it's like you playing whatever sport you like to play and playing either with a bunch of kidney gardeners or going out and playing with a bunch of college or pro

Starting point is 01:52:06 athletes, what will naturally happen is you will elevate, you'll elevate or you'll sink to the other level. And that what happens to a lot of guys your age who are still stuck on the friends they want to college or high school with is they allow these good friends who they have, they love them, they love them like family, okay? And they allow them to bring them down to their level. Because that it just naturally happens that way.

Starting point is 01:52:29 Right. Ryan, one more thing I'm going to add to what Adam's saying. This is important. And you know why you're excited? Because it's not every day we get our hands on somebody. One more thing. Like last thing I'm going to say is this, don't think you're missing out on anything. There's a big mistake.

Starting point is 01:52:43 Young guys with a lot of talent. They think, oh shit, I'm missing out, man. I should be going out and partying. Listen, you're a man. You're only gonna become more attractive. You're only gonna become more popular as you get older and more successful. You'll have plenty of opportunities for that shit.

Starting point is 01:52:58 When you're rolling in money and you're successful and your buddy's just graduated, barely making 50 grand a year. So you're not missing out on anything. So if that ever creeps in your head, tell him to shut the F up and get out because you got a goal and you're going to get that goal. Vegas and Miami's way more fun at 30 when you're jacked and you got deep pockets. Trust me.

Starting point is 01:53:15 Keep doing what you're doing. That's it. Don't overthink it. Stay focused and you're going to keep crushing it. Yeah. Keep us posted, though, man. It's good to hear that we Put them in the form you in our forum No, I'm not okay. I put you in the floor. Yeah, I want you in there. Yeah, I want to keep keep right on keep up on you man

Starting point is 01:53:34 Thanks guys, I appreciate everything. I already go for it. I wish I love You know you get a sound like I do yeah, I talked to a kid like that, I'm like, oh shit, let's do this. Get it. I could talk to him for, I mean it's like going back and thinking about all the things. I think we touch the most important things dude because the hard thing is gonna be hanging out with your buddies who are in the same place. And then the like, am I missing a little trap? Yeah, it happens the best of us.

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