Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2159: How to Balance Strength Training With Cardio, the Dangers of Too Much Flexibility, What to Do When Your Workout Isn’t Working & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: September 9, 2023

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Your skin is often a reflection of your health. A lot of people don't know this, but your gut health can show up on your skin. Your immune system can show up on your skin. Your immune system can show up on your skin. You can have thyroid issues, diabetes. Lots of things can show up on your skin. So your skin, although not perfect, might be an easy way to tell whether or not

something is going on on the inside. So pay attention to how your skin looks. If you notice lots of changes, it might be more than just your skin. So direct shot at me or what? No, what is my sunburn till you sell? I've got a lot of seconds. One of them.

Why were you looking at the sun? I didn't even notice that. I didn't even notice the last part. You had your bill so low I didn't even pick up on it. I did that to your bro. Oh my god. I was in the desert. You were totally hiding back.

Oh man. You look like a piece of bacon. I mean, I look like you've covered everywhere else but you just missed your face or what? No. It's all man. You look like a piece of bacon. I mean, I look like you've covered everywhere else, but you just missed your face or what? No, it's all here. You might take my shirt off. You look like you watched a nuclear explosion go off

and you were just far enough to not die. Was it really hot there this week? Yeah, it was really hot. It was like 105. Hold on, do you have Caldera here? Have you tried this on a sunburn? No. It's the best thing.

Oh, yeah. I have a serum. The serum, it does for sunburn. Yeah, I have tried that. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it makes a huge difference. Lube him up, Doug. He's a little far away. Otherwise, I would.

You know, back to the skimping. You know, what's crazy about this is that you'll often hear from doctors that it isn't a health issue. is that you'll often hear from doctors that it isn't a health issue. They'll say, oh, you have a lot of acne. Oh, what about the food I'm eating, doc? Or what's going on? No, no, no, it has nothing to do with the food you're eating. Are you sure when I eat this food,

I notice I break out. But my dermatologist told me that for years. So this is just genetic thing, like in there, that's the gift you get. They don't even say that what they say, okay, in salt, you probably know better than any of us as far as like is it if it's what the studies aren't conclusive and so they and because they have steroids and prescriptions to give you to tamp down whatever it is that's being expressed on your skin. They default that way versus going like

it's like there was like no when I came in with this e Dermatologist about my psoriasis the first time what you all every time for that matter If there was never a conversation around like what is your diet look like? You never had have you had any sort of food and tolerance like nothing around that whatsoever Or do you take do you put certain products on your skin nothing like that? It was purely like oh well. We, this, and this for that. And I asked the questions, by the way. I know.

So how long ago was that? Oh, that was years ago. Long time ago, right? Yeah, yeah. So with psoriasis, they know it's an autoimmune issue, right? So they know that the immune system is attaching, attacking skin. And that's about as far as it went. Yeah, they know it.

They, they, she said autoimmune, like she knows that. But then, and then that was what triggered me as a trainer. I go, oh, it's autoimmune. So this is probably diet related then. Like, so what are some of the most, like, and she was just like, oh, she just dismissed it. Yep, yep. And now the reason they did that, now, now they might actually connect it.

But the reason why they did that was because they were able, they never really connected, except for allergies, like, food allergies, or something like celiac, they never connected food to causing issues with the immune system, making it maybe hyper-vigilant. We now have data that shows that, so they might change or tune now, although I'm not sure. But for things like acne, they'll still say, no, none of those things have an effect. It doesn't affect. Now, that's crazy because we know acne is caused or at least exacerbated or at least it plays a role

in terms of the bacteria on your skin. In fact, traditional acne treatments aim to kill the bacteria on your skin. So you use something with like salicylic acid or benzoid peroxide, so like, what's it called, clear cell, right? That's benzoid peroxide or the washes, cellicylic acid, what do they do?

They kill bacteria, that's what they do. And that's kind of how they work. So they know that the microbiome on your skin has something to do with your acne, but they don't connect the microbiome in the gut and how that affects it. Or like so it's crazy. It's me, it's crazy.

Is it too much of a reach to say like that is similar to what happens with an antibiotic when someone gives you an antibiotic? Like you putting this cream on your face, your skin is an organ, it has its own microbiome. It goes in there and nukes all this stuff to clear your skin up. Isn't that the same concept of what we do?

It's almost true. Yeah, we take an antibiotic because we've got some sort of issue in our gutter, where that energy just kills everything, but including the healthy microbiome, which that's the same thing that's happening on the fit, right? Is that the... Is that an antibiotic?

Explain that, right? Yeah, so it'll basically disinfect to essence the skin. And now you need a healthy microbiome on your skin, just like you need it in your gut and anywhere else in your body, it plays a role in our health. We have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria.

We need them and a good microbiome on your skin or in your mouth or in your gut promotes good health. For example, if you have a good microbiome in your mouth, we know that it can prevent things like cavities. In fact, here's something that's interesting. Mouthwash, mouthwash kills bacteria in the mouth. Repeated use of mouthwash can actually, now they've connected it to insulin resistance because the bacteria in the mouth plays a role

in how your body reacts to insulin when you get some things that cause it. So it is interesting. We don't view it that way traditionally, but look, here's, you look, give me another example. We just talked about caldera. If you go to, and you get like traditional skincare, here's what they do. They strip the skin first.

So they take everything off, all the oils and everything. And then what they do is they try to replace it with synthetic alternatives to the oils on your face. And does it work? It can, but again, you're trying to replace what nature can do better. We talked about caldera earlier. Caldera doesn't try to do that. Caldera actually tries to use natural oils and botanicals that support your skin's natural oils, that support your natural

microbiome on your skin. This is why people like it so much. It actually works with your skin versus against it. But the skin is the largest organ in the body. And look, here's your hint right here. One of the clearest signs, one of the things that will make someone not attractive to you. Remember, attractiveness is based off of fertility, fertility is based off of health, okay?

On its basic level, I know it can get much more complex and people can be weird and all, whatever. But ultimately, if you display signs of health that you're attractive and this has to do with your ability to procreate and all that stuff, one of the number one things that'll make someone seem not attractive is poor skin. And everybody will say that, man and women,

that's because it is an outward reflection of poor health, of potential poor health. It's that strong of a signal. So, and we ignore it, we tend to ignore it or we tend to try to patch it up with, you know, with drugs. Yeah, it's actually funny because I'll walk around public with Courtney and she's got her nursing background and so she literally can tell me like what kind

of conditions certain people have, just like looking at people's skin. Oh, really? Yeah, and so I don't know what it's called in the crisis or like where it's got like the little cholesterol issues. Yeah, so stuff like that and then also, you know, diabetes and you see signs of that within like folds of the skin and like the neck.

And so yeah, it's just to point things like that out to me all the time and like, you can't help herself. You know, it'd be kind of like us watching somebody squat or like, yeah, I do that with Jenna. With like, I see people's ankles or their shoe soles. Like I'll walk behind someone and see their gate. And I'm like telling her, like, I bet they have knee pain or their hips are probably, that guy's hips bothering him for sure.

And she's like, what? I wonder if a fitness expert can pretend to be like a psychic. So come on upstage. I'm going to tell you all about it. Look, you have left knee pain. Of course I can. When you're talking about, you used to use that to sell training. When you're talking about it, you all did.

I wouldn't, when I tapped into that, I was like I was like, you didn't act like you were psychic. No, I didn't go like, you know, hold on. I didn't do anything. You can't do it right here. Ooh, you got a left pain on your left lower back. Bro, if you did that, that would be hilarious. I don't really say that. Let me consult the cards real quick.

Okay. Maybe Doug, look up hyper-cholestemia. I think it's called for the skin. That's where they get like, it looks like dark skin. little tag or some tags. I think it has to do with a Like a lipid profile being off. I might be wrong. What is I don't even know what that looks like Okay, you've never seen someone usually there's you're a little heavy. You're most willing to scrape it off It looks like they're it's dirt, but it's dark. Oh, okay. Yeah. Now you're describing like that. Okay. Okay. Yeah Oh, okay, yeah, now that you're saying that you're describing like that, okay. Yeah.

Oh, interesting. I think it has to do with blood lipids or something to do with that. I don't know. I might be wrong. Let's see if Doug could figure it out. But yeah. Yeah. So we know it like really obvious health conditions now we're connecting.

Oh, is that it? Cholesterol symptoms in the skin, yeah. Yeah, the eyelids one is one I think I've seen before. And then also I guess that's called Zanthel Zanthel. Last one. Yeah. So there's obvious ones that doctors will notice but like the more common stuff that we just accept is like oh this is what happens to people. Hormone imbalances is a big one. Yeah I mean this is silly. Ask any woman. How is your skin the same throughout your whole cycle? A lot of women will say no. Oh this is silly. Ask any woman, is your skin the same, throughout your whole cycle?

A lot of women will say no. Oh, this is when I break out. This is when my skin, this is when my skin tends to look the best, or whatever, in your hormones. Which I mean, another example is that when you see guys that take too much testosterone, they break out, they get acne lighter.

Some people do, some people don't. How come is that? Well, I mean, so that's the same thing. This, some people have poor diet in it. Expresses itself on the skin, some people have poor diet in it doesn't. Expresses itself on the skin, so I think that's the same thing this some people have poor diet and it expresses itself in the skin Some people have poor diet and it doesn't uh-huh express itself of us in so I think it's the same Yeah, I knew a guy that like took a little bit of anabolic way back in the day Bro, he broke out in boils. Oh, yeah, he was one of my sales guys

Yeah, and it like terrible boils all over his back and chest. I was like wow wow not worth it Yeah, I remember meeting people in was like, wow, wow, not worth it. Unfortunately. Yeah. I remember meeting people competing that were like that. And they were, and I'm like, why are you doing this? Like, why would you even, like, if that's your reaction to taking testosterone, like, do you really care

about the fucking plastic trophy that much? Like, I know. That's wild to me that you would still push through that. It's like, so, I don't know. Weird. How bad do you want to win something or achieve something like that that you would, you think that the abs are gonna replace like this This now I look good. No, no, no. Yeah, I think you would look you look healthier and you know and probably more attractive to your original point

With healthier skin, but less abs, right? Yeah, I mean, I wonder how that would that be an interesting like Test like show me a rip person their skins all fucked up or show me somebody who's like, you just get a random like a bunch of girls that's a value, kind of like they do with the facial recognition stuff, you know, whether or not it's like masculine features or more feminine features, like what they're more tend to be. Yeah, my guess would be the healthy skin would be the more attractive thing. The healthy skin was most of us are more obsessed with looking rip than what most people even find at track. So, evolutionarily speaking, poor skin, it meant poor health or it meant contagious disease

or mites or fleas or something like that, which you don't want. You don't want that if you're in a tribe. So anyway, did we talk about the lady on the plane that they identified her face and they talked about? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we talked about it. Because you brought up the picture and then we talked about, because that we...

There was another video that came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they keep doing it, no, no, they keep analyzing it. Oh, again? I think so. No, you talked about the percentage of it. Yeah, yeah, you talked about that already. So I'm telling you.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was trying to describe that actually this weekend. It was, we got in a really funny conversation. My brother-law and like, I was educating them on this lady and like the phenomenon behind it and all that kind of stuff and lizard people and all that. It got really sideways. Like, we had to stop talking about it because we were like a fine-dying restaurant.

What are we talking about you guys? We did a change of subject. Hey, you know that big Loch Ness monster search party? Yeah. Did you see the picture that they caught? Well, I mean, it's in Scotland, but I know in England, they had a bunch of people. No, I didn't.

Is that what it was? Oh, yeah, I did see it. Yeah, some lady actually got a picture. They got a photo. I don't know if Doug can look it up. They actually found a whale penis. It was like shoes. No.

Like little hump. It definitely looked like, I mean, they're like, it was swimming. It was something. There's something there. What are they gonna find? I don't know. That one actually looked maybe was an eel.

I don't know. Oh, that's what they said. It could be a giant something eel. Yeah. Which would also be weird. What's it doing? I didn't really get much sense of scale with that though. Like in terms of how big it was.

They said it was pretty big. They said it was big, but. Did your brother-in-law not know about the plane lady? Or did he know about the plane lady? No, he didn't know about it. That's so cool. I mean, Jordan's a diet we just had in the studio, right? And he, first thing he saw was that.

He was like, oh my God, that picture is epic. You're like, yes. Like some people don't know that story. I'm like, I thought that was like one of the most viral things that's happened this year, is that? I'm actually kind of jealous. It actually shows like how much we are, like we have to pay attention to nonsense. Yeah, on our phones all the time just to like talk about things. I know.

I know. Nice to not know. Yeah, I was like, wow, I was almost jealous of them. I'm like, oh, man, you guys don't need to know that. Hey, speaking of that, I thought that was really interesting, you know, not to hijack Jordan's tip, but I thought that was we, Sal asked him a great question, like some of like, you know, not to hijack Jordan's tip, but I thought that was, we, Sal asked him a great question, like some of like, you know, what are some of the most basic foundational, like, health and fitness tips, you know, and I know Sal was searching for the, you know, the processed foods and the walk,

which he, of course, said all those types of things. And one of the things he added in there was like, avoid the news. Yeah. And I thought that was a really cool, like, you know, that I wouldn't have thought that as like a top five basic tip to somebody like that. And then he went on to talk about how right now

he's measuring his blood pressure. I know. And how there is a very clear difference in his average blood pressure level when he takes off and not watching it. That's pretty alarming, I think. That's hell alarming, we think about that. I think that happens at great things too.

Look, look, it's a fact. You want to feel out of control and disempowered and stressed out. Look at problems you can't influence. And keep looking at problems. You can't influence. That is a terrible feeling. That's like when this is what parents

will do their kids sometimes. They'll tell them about all these problems. Kids have no influence or no ability to do anything with, and they wonder why their kids are so stressed out. This happens to you too. You hear about these massive, crazy problems, kids have no influence or no ability to do anything with, and they wonder why their kids are so stressed out. This happens to you too. You hear about these massive crazy problems, what's happening across the world?

Oh my God, can't do anything about it. I'm just sitting here to some power, afraid. You're better off not knowing. And then if there's something that will affect you, you're probably gonna find out no matter what. Think about it. If it's gonna happen around here, it's gonna affect you. You don't need to go looking on the news.

I'm gonna go walk up to Justin bro. Yeah, it happened on the street Right. Well, I mean, what is that like why I feel like some people they want to take on all the problems from everywhere They feel like it's it's almost like they're not as good of a human if they don't Ignolage all these horrible things. I think it's I think that's justification. I think we're naturally addicted to hearing bad news because it used to mean survival. Yeah, because you know what, you know, an example that would prove that that's probably

not the main theory of why we do it is why do we watch NASCAR? Drive around 500 times in a circle. You know what I'm saying? Why you watch it is for the possibility of a crash. There's something that we're drawn to that, like destruction or bad trauma. It's very true. Yeah, so it's more to it than just the virtue signaling piece

of being more informed. I think that's the afterwards, right? Because then someone confronts them about it, like, why do you watch the news? It's turned off. Well, I need to be informed. Yeah. Don't you want to know what's happening in the world? Yeah, I'm not sure.

Yeah, do you though? Not really. Yeah. You know, I was listening to Joe Rogan interview Bill Mar. Did you listen to that one, Justin? I just started that one, yeah, on my way over. Yeah, so they had a big conversation, and they were talking about, so Bill Mar,

very controversial guy, he says a lot of stuff that, he used to be on a show, that kicked off because he said something once, and he's always controversial Bill Marr and I appreciate him because he does say what he wants and he at least consistent with his consistent. But did you hear what he said gets him the most flack? Yeah. What? When he's talking about how being fat is not healthy for you. Talk about obesity.

Yeah. He's like nothing gets me not healthy for you. Talk about obesity. Yeah. He's like, nothing gets me more hate than when I bring up obesity. Well, let's be honest, nothing would unite people against him than that. I know. There's more, like going left for right, there's a pretty even divide of people in that,

but going against obese people, you're outnumbered. There's a way greater percentage of people that are either overweight, really overweight or obese than there are that people that saw. But what was offending everybody? Totally. And what interests me when I was listening to it was how Rogan and him were trying to talk about the causes of obesity

and how they were so wrong. Yeah. They were wrong. Yeah. They were looking at the wrong things. And obviously the longer we've done this, the more we realize what the real issues are. But they were blaming so many things like, oh, it's sugar. Yeah, the sugar industry, you know, they want to put out false information in the past.

And oh, it's these chemicals. I know it's this, it's actually quite simple. It's that we eat more engineered food that makes us overeat and we don't move as much. It's literally that simple. There's a lot of complexities to it, but that's it. But hearing them talk about all the components and not realizing like there's something in common with all this stuff.

And it's not that it's just sugar or just this. You're like yelling at your head. I was like, I wish I was there. I wish I was here on the show so I could kind of like... I mean, they're concerned about the right things, but yeah, I don't think they're nailing like the... They're way they communicate. The true, yeah, the true cause of it all. Well, like you said, I think there's such a simpler way to say it.

Yes, there's nuances. Yes, there's individual variance to people that have certain conditions, but generally speaking, hyper-palatable foods, highly processed foods, causes people to have poor behaviors around you. conditions, but generally speaking, you know, hyper-palatable foods, highly processed foods, causes people to have poor behaviors around food. And if we had, if we had less access to food, and it was only whole foods, it would be so much easier to maintain. It's not like the same desires or wants, it didn't exist two, three hundred years ago,

just you didn't have foods that cause those being- Have drugs like foods. Yeah, to be triggered all the time. So, I mean, it is really a lot simpler. I was listening to make it on the way home from trucky as I was eating candy, right? So, I mean, this conversation, I stopped at the gas station. Wait, I'm missing.

It's your honest. No, well, I stopped at the gas station and something, I'm missed. It's your honest. No, I stopped at the gas station and something I'll do, sometimes if I feel like I want to stay awake is I'll have like hard candy because I could like, you know, keep it in my mouth and it kind of occupies me, keeps me awake, right? So I bought, don't judge me, butterscotch discs. So I know it's an old man.

You are getting old, bro. I've always liked those. Were there's original ones? No, that's not butterscotch, bro. Is it? No. It's just like, butterscotch is like chewy. Oh yeah, that getting old, bro. I've always liked those. Were there's original ones? No, that's not butterscotch, bro. Is it? No. Butterscotch looks like chewy. Oh, yeah, that's like chewy caramel.

It's the yellow wrapper. Yeah, yeah, it's the yellow wrapper. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are literally old people. I mean, it's right there. You don't like where there's that. No, I like them. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're the best, yeah, they're the best. Dude, I went all around Scotland looking for this one LeCure that was butterscotch. It was like a whiskey butterscotch. Oh, which LeCure is so good. Andotch. It was like a whiskey butterscotch. Oh, it's so good. Dude, I went everywhere. I finally found a little bit and was supposed to like ship it back and I'd drink it all day.

So. Wow. Wow. Whoops. You talking about me. I got a hold on a control over here. Yeah. So I bought, I'm listening to them talk,

and they're talking about what they think is a problem, whatever, and I'm eating these candies, right? And I'm kind of like to myself, and like, God, I wish I was there. And I look at this candy, and I'm looking at, I'm like, it's so funny to me how I look at this, and I'm like, this is what we can consume. And you look at the ingredients,

and it's literally an invented, it's an invented, you know, innovative, you know, just ingredients they mix together to create this hyper palatable thing that didn't ever exist. You look at the ingredients, half of them are ingredients to make them more palatable, and they're not food ingredients. They're ingredients that are quote unquote edible.

Well, they're quote unquote edible. I mean, they've been tested that they don't make you die. Right. But they do things like give it the right, Silatol gum and all of that. Whatever, right? Like yellow number seven. And you know what, they're done to make it look a particular way

or to feel a particular way. They're not really foods, but they're, they don't kill you. So they add it to make it more palatable. Yeah. And as I'm eating, I was like, so funny. You know, if you took someone from a thousand years ago, they'd be like, where did you find this tree? Where does this grow? What is this incredible?

It's like a treasure. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. But yeah, people get it so wrong. It's, anyway, speaking of packaged foods, this is actually sad. Have you guys heard of the One Chip Challenge? Have you heard of this chip?

Is it like a TikTok thing? No. Well, it is, but it's a company. Doug, look up one chip challenge. Well, you can't eat just one chip, is it the other thing? No, that's Lays, that was Lays, that was always Lays is marketed that before. Yeah.

No, you guys have seen this, I know you have. It's a company that you'll buy one single tortilla chip, but it's so spicy. Oh, I think I have seen this actually. And I think they use like, what's the Carolina Grimm Reaper? Yes, those like cross breadbred, like crazy peppers that are just, yes, yes. I don't know if you found it, though.

Make your eyes bleed. Maybe you put it up there. So apparently it's like so spicy that it's dangerous. Look at the title. You're a ghost Reaper or whatever. Look at these, look at these. Team dies after taking part in the viral one. Yeah. What? So, whoa, several,. Team dies after taking part in the viral one. Yeah.

What? Died? So, whoa, several, all those are dies. This is the same one. Oh, it's the same one. Yeah, yeah. So, he ate the chip. So, I've seen lots of videos, by the way,

with this chip, where people eat it. Yeah. And then the idea is you eat it and then you're not allowed to drink water or milk or anything for out of them. Remember how much time to see if you can withstand it. And you watch the videos and they're funny, but also like you see like this is spicy,

like people are like, ah, they're like throwing, ah, I can't handle, it's like so spicy, it's dangerous, right? Apparently he ate the chip at school, made it through, came home, and then he went to play basketball, collapsed and died and the parent, now they're suing the company,

saying that they think the chip played a role in death. Okay, so what? It might not be related to the chip. What is the behavioral psychology of that? Like, why did things like this go viral? And like, it's this horrible chip. No one, it doesn't, it can't taste good. It's like, you're NASCAR analogy, right?

No. They look at it as like a potential harm, like it's like a hard one. Yeah, well you're okay. That's different because it's not like you go run down and get in the NASCAR yourself and go like, I'm gonna try and race with these guys. These people are like, they see this, they go,

I'm gonna do this. Yeah. So what makes it like as you can handle? It's like the tie pod. Like the tie, that's the same as the tie pod thing. Like what made you go and go like, Well, the tie pod is a whole nother level, but that's like the same thing. No, with chip, it's the same as a tie pod thing. Like what made you go and go like, Well, the tie pod is a whole nother level, but that's like the same thing.

No, with chip, it's actually supposed to eat it. Tie pod, you're not supposed to eat. Oh, you're not supposed to eat it. You're not supposed to use tough and hard to handle it. You're not supposed to eat a chip with engineered peppers that are so fucking hot it burns your mouth or get your heart rate. So that's not, it is like that.

Imagine if the four of us were 24 years old, okay, and we all went to hang out together and I bust out Four of these one shit. It's like you can't tell me you can't tell me you guys would be like all right Let's do this. No, fuck off. You would do it. No way I might you know, I'm not training. I was just talking about this other day about how she's like you're 20 something I can see it in my son already my son has this this trait of me like if I don't want to do something I'm not into it like they, they're, I'm not, so you'd be too scared, is what you're saying?

And people would say that, you know what I say? I'll do something else that's more dangerous than I'm into. Like, that's not it. So this is specifically about a spiciness, but you'll do something else too. No, it's not that. It's just that I wouldn't be influenced by other people doing a challenge.

If I wanna do a challenge, because I wanna do the challenge, there's no way that you would roll up with, so if you brought the chips, then we would do it. Well, I mean, you guys might be influenced that way. And I'm a pretty good closer, so probably I probably could get you guys to do that. So you never did nothing stupid.

You're so funny how you take something, and then you switch it and put words in my mouth. I didn't say I've never done anything stupid. I've been putting things stupid. But I've never been influenced. Listen, dude. I forgot me influencing what you were saying. As you wouldn't be as year,

where you're not into it, you wouldn't do it. This wouldn't be something that teenage you would be like, oh, this could be funny or whatever. You wouldn't, you wouldn't. I mean, I can watch it. I would, I mean, okay, in my school, I don't know if it was a ghost pepper, right? Is the orange one?

What's the orange one? So that was like the hottest thing around. And there was a thing where kids were like trying to, they were all batting each other and they were biting it. And like, I mean, I definitely didn't partake in it. I watched all the idiots, but I had no desire to do that. I was kind of like on the influence, the guy that we knew we could get to do stupid shit,

to do the stupid shit. Bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. We get to do the thing. We already know that about you. That's been consistent with all the other stories. We maintain that this guy took an airsoft gun, right?

And we convinced him to basically like take his nut out and shoot him some point Blake in the nut. Okay, Adam, your question was, yeah, who would it do this way? He'd go. Bro, it was crazy. Would you rather get a chip or shoot some of the ball with me?

Yeah, I know. You never get me to do any of those things, dude. None of those. I know. So I guess maybe that's why I have such a hard time with it is because I can't make the connection. It's just, you know, it's like, you know what's gonna happen? This is sad.

Do you think you're gonna sell more less chips now that someone died? More. I know. More, I know he sold some more. It's crazy. What's the spiciest, have you guys ever eaten something so spicy? I know. More. I know he sold some more. It's crazy. What's the spiciest, have you guys ever eaten something so spicy?

I've had pepper. I've had some of those hot, not the ghost pepper, but I've had pepper. Have you ever feared for, like, you eat something so spicy? Am I gonna, this is dangerous. No, I mean, it's been so spicy where you get like the hiccups and you're like, you're literally physically sweating,

like instantly. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that's why it pulled me back. I didn't go that crazy with it. It just enough to wear like, I felt like it was hard for me to breathe. And so I was like, okay, I'm not doing that again. Bro, I was there's levels. I went to an Indian restaurant with my friend who's Indian. And he said, do you like spicy food?

And like an idiot, I said, yes. I think you like spicy food, but I know that there's a different level of spicy. Yeah. Oh, Indian spicy food. I grew up in San Jose. I don't say I don't know. Whatever. He goes in the back and I go with him because he knows the staff back.

There's this little Indian restaurant, little hole in the wall. And he's speaking to them or whatever. And they're laughing at him and they're like, no, no, no, no, no. And they got his big old thing and finally, it's okay, okay. And we walk out and I'm like, what did you tell them? He says, I told them to make this the spiciest chicken. You know, I remember we ate spiciest dishes they've ever made. They said, no, he said, yes, I wanted that way. And they said, okay. So I'm like, huh, I remember we ate spiciest dish they've ever made, they said no, he said yes, I wanted that way and they said okay.

So I'm like, huh, what are we gonna experience here? Okay. This is a true story. I took a bite and I swore to God, a five to 10 minutes later, I had to run out to my car, thankfully I had an inhaler out there. I had an asmine inhaler and I had to hit the inhaler

and stay outside. And it took me like 30 minutes to settle down. Oh my God. He ate the whole freaking dish. Oh my God. I don't get it. So do you think this actually caused this kid or they try to make a connection to make mine? I think they might be trying to make a connection because it happened later.

Yeah. I was gonna say like he went to school and he went home and then he played basketball. That's like some time. That's like a particle set. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys tried Andrew Spicey, whatever the hell that is in the back. Yeah, no, it's too spicy

He's too Mexican for me I'm like I'm all I quarter Mexican I'm quarter is Smelling it would destroy me. Yeah, oh Anyway, it messes up my gut too much, which is why I don't do it. Although I like the taste speaking of gut Adam what happened with dare I want to hear about gut too much, which is why I don't do it. Although I like the taste. Speaking of gut, Adam, what happened with Dare? I wanna hear about this. Oh, bro.

Did you hear what Daryl said? Did you tell Adam about it? No, he's telling me. Because we're kind of like, because you guys are all for Dare. Well, we've been, well, we've been, we've been quiet on,

because we haven't officially, do you know when, when are we gonna drop that episode? Not gonna drop for a while. Oh my God. Oh my God. We'll talk about it. We're gonna piss people off, like crazy, yeah.

So much for the reveal. I mean, can't we drop it sooner or do we have to wait? Were we supposed to schedule to do it a way later? Yeah, we're scheduled to do it. And maybe I'll see if I can remember. And get it sooner for the audience so they can hear it. But anyways, you know, it came back that we hit an intolerance to or intoler, food intolerance to dairy.

So I'm on like two weeks of not having it. I feel like it's carma by the way, but I know. And first of all, I think I shared earlier that I was really surprised on how many foods that I had that had Darian. I just, you brought up one of the day that I remember talking to you, she's like, what, that has, that has, what was the one?

That's certain salamis. Yes, salamis. Some salamis. Yeah, she's like salami. And she's like, I saw that and I checked and she goes, it was right, there was a salami and had Darami. And she's like, I sound said that. And I checked and she goes, it was right. There was a salami and I had dairy. And so there's a lot of little things that you just, you wouldn't even think have dairy.

And especially if you go out and you needed a restaurant, and there's any sort of a sauce you have to tell them. Yeah, you have to. And so, I mean, I feel I'm so annoyed, right? That I have to be like, Sal now at the restaurant because I've been making fun of him for so many years, right? Still talking shit. I do.

I'm so talking shit while I'm doing it. I was like, I apologize. I'm so sorry years, right? Still talking shit. I do, I still talk shit while I'm doing it. I was like, I apologize. I'm so sorry that I have to be like this, but does this have dairy? You know, so anyways, I've been good. It's been like two weeks or whatever. So we're out in Park City, Katrina and I, and we were eating out like basically every meal,

and I ordered something that I think I just assumed that didn't have dairy, and it did. And right away, I had like an issue. And then like a total idiot, I was just like, well, I broke the seal, so I may as well, whatever the next meal I allowed, you know, and it wasn't a but,

by the way, it wasn't like, I didn't go have a brick of cheese, or have a glass of milk, or have a ice cream. It was just like, what I did was I just ordered twice out and didn't- And something you would normally order. That's right. Yeah, Kalamari was some dipping sauce

and then I forget what the other one was. And so it wasn't like I was like going ham on dairy but just that little bit because I had taken two weeks off and let my system probably completely clear out. Holy, if fucked me up for the next 48 hours, dude. I was so miserable and I was so angry that us more angry that I stopped taking it before. I was like, that was better when I was taking it,

which helped me make that connection that I know this happens to people. Like I know that somebody goes, oh, I heard. I heard the worm I'm afraid, or what's that called? No, herk's time you know, I heard where my mirror figure. What's that called? No, herx time. No, that's not what I was. Yeah, that's a that's a die-up. Okay. So this is interesting and I'd love to ask I wish I asked Dr. Cabral and maybe I'll email them or something to get the answer to this. That's common You'll avoid a food that you have an intolerance to and then you'll Introduce it at some point and it maybe it's not long enough that you wait a line off and long enough excuse me and then you'll reintroduce it at some point and it maybe it's not long enough that you wait

a line off and long enough excuse me and then you'll get a stronger reaction. Yeah, this was that was okay. I can eat a fucking cart of ice cream and not got the reaction I got from a dipping sauce. Yeah, so that's freaking that's what pissed me off so much. It's like I had never felt like that from and I've I've mentioned on the podcast. In the past that oh you know I if I would have ice cream and then also a way shake it would my stool would be a little off and I would and I made that connection. And when I think back now I'm like boy I was probably actually having a couple times in the day besides that that I wasn't paying attention to. And here I am you know abstaining from it for two weeks, nothing, making sure everything

is nothing has dairy in it. And then I have a dipping sauce with it. And I am just tore up. So here's my guess, and I don't know, I have to talk to Dr. Cabral. But when we talk about actual allergies and that intolerances, one of the strategies to, and they're doing this a lot with children now, one of the strategies to reduce someone's risk of like anaphylactic shock, is slow, repeated, small, very small exposures to the substance in question. And over time, the immune reaction actually starts to dampen.

So like with peanut allergies, they have this, this new thing where it's a patch, and you keep reapplying the patch, and each time it adds a tiny, tiny, tiny bit more. And then the eventual treatment is, and this is my nephew, he has to eat a teaspoon of peanut butter every day. In order to maintain this, you know,

not getting this crazy, because it could reverse. It could reverse. So I wonder what the hell is going on with intolerances if avoiding the food initially causes this stronger reaction. And then it, because eventually what'll happen with intolerances that won't happen. Eventually what'll happen is the antibodies

that they identified will start to tamper down. You'll heal your gut, whatever the hell the problem is. Then typically what happens is you can reintroduce the food. This doesn't always happen, but usually then the food doesn't bother you anymore. So I don't know what happens is you can reintroduce the food. This doesn't always happen, but usually then the food doesn't bother you anymore. So I don't know what happens though with that. In the middle. Well, I'd be interested in,

because I remember he was very specific to 21 days too. I heard him say 21 days ago, and I was like, oh, he's just over another, right? Of course. Yeah, I know, I know. Of course it counts over. Especially since I said,

Effet and I started to allow things in there. Damn, it's, and literally this is what an asshole I am. Okay, I said, Effet, I let that one another one. And then I'm like, I'm already tore up. So I'm like, ah, whatever. The next meal is like, I just fucking ruined myself.

Oh, the last three days. I'm just like, dude, this is miserable. So, yeah, I'm, I was like super annoyed by that. And now, but the same time for me, it made me hyper aware. Like, okay, obviously I have some sort of a reaction to that or also I would know a felt that exact thing happened. So dairy I still can't eat no matter what and sometimes you just can't, right? But gluten that happened to me. I avoided gluten and then I would have just the smallest amount of a breadcrumb or something on my food or whatever and I'd have this

really terrible reaction. But eventually like now now, I can eat gluten now, and if I eat it too often, then it'll start to bother me. But if I have it a few times, I don't have any issues. So I hope that you're not. That's actually happening because I was trying to be good about the dairy stuff, but then I had some sourdough, and I'm like, usually sourdough, I'm like, I can get away with this, you know,

because it's one of those where, because of the way it's prepared and the- It's fermented. It's fermented. It's like a little bit easier. But I don't, I think some of, there's degrees of the sourdough, I think in terms of like some being processed and some not quite as processed.

So this was a very processed one and it just, I had the same kind of bout where I was like, oh no, like it was immediate, it was fierce, it was fierce, it was like burn just all the way up to my throat, like immediate response. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I was trying to be good, you know, and just that one thing. So here's something you guys can try. I get this is not approved by Dr. Crabral.

This is, this is me with my own observation. Activated charcoal, it binds to things that you consume and it makes them inert, right? Charcoal is like a, they'll give it to you if you have a poison. I have to with it, huh? I'm wondering if, yeah, because that'll help me with certain foods.

Well, I would think it would help if I were just going to digest a vensine with it too, wouldn't it, or no? The pans, maybe, maybe, but I would go charcoal next time and see if it helps. Because I think I've seen you, don't you take the mass enzymes when you go to eat dairy and stuff like that? Not dairy, I still don't need dairy.

Oh, it's not. Well, I mean, I see you've test like, yeah, it'll help with gluten a little bit. Dairy, nothing can help me. I could fuck you. Oh, really like that, huh? Dairy, I don't know about it. Wow, well, that's me up.

You know what was bad about too, was that what I'm real, because there's so many things that I used to like that have dairy in it as like my snack, like the magic spoon or things like that. And I'm like, fuck, man, candy, I can go back to sugar. Like they took me so long to get him rid of that addiction.

So I bought candy bro. Like you did. I think I can eat this. This can't be better. It's can be a better choice. I'm not doing this. So my stool's not bad, but now I'm eating sugar again. I'm like, this is not.

I gotta think of something. This is when I feel like the podcast is really like, our age is like showing through. Yeah, I think you're saying authentic. No, we're talking about like, I'm just imagining my 20 year old selfless and do us a favor. I don't know.

Okay, you say that, but it's gonna sneak up to him. No, it's common now. Hey, it's common. So yes, my experience today, bro. Yeah. This is way more common in younger people than it was. Watch this, Doug. I think you a comment. Hey, it's common. So yes, my experience today, bro. Yeah. This is way more common in younger people than it was. Watch this, Doug. Google.

Google Hot Girls and Gut Issues. Okay. This is it. What? Bro, what are you Googling? Relax. What are you Googling? I'm gonna calm down.

It's not a website. This is a hashtag. And it's a thing on social media. Someone sent me. Okay. That they're trying to say, like, well, Hot Girls always have good issues or we always have good issues. And it was a thing on social media, someone sent me. Okay. They're trying to say, like, well, all girls always have good issues or we always have good issues.

And it was like this trending hashtag that was going around. And it was kids saying that. I didn't brought this up. Yeah. So do you think that it's gotten worse or is just now we know like, I think, I think, I think I think both. I know. How social media has made gut health less taboo.

Hot girls have stomach problems. And it says, from bloating to bowel movements, people are becoming more outspoken and apologetic about their gut health and stomach issues online. It was like a training period. So answering your question, Justin, I think it's both. I think that there is more awareness around it

and we're communicating. Because I also think that there were some of these things that in my 20s, that I just wasn't paying attention to. You know, I think when you're 20 years old, you just think that you have an off stool and you think you just dismiss it. Where now I'm like, I'm so hyper aware. Anytime my stool is slightly off, I'm analyzing.

Where I never did that in my 20s. Well, so the culture back in there is so funny because I was watching like old school like stand up comedy. And you know, there was always like jabs that people that were like taller and intolerant or like, and they're like, you don't have, you don't have Suleak, you know, you just always like jabs at people that were like intolerant or like, and they're like, you don't have, you don't have sulliac,

you know, you just need to just fuck up, you know whatever. Like that was like the whole like, thought process out there. Like if you, it's not killing you. There are more gut issues today than ever, and it's a fact, if people don't believe it, it's not just the awareness. Look at food allergies alone. That's an immune issue. Yeah, that's a great example of it. Like, it's not just the awareness. Look at food allergies alone.

That's an immune issue. Yeah, that's a great example of it. I mean, just 15 years ago, no kid, it was allergic to peanuts. Not every school is peanut free because there's always a great good percentage of kid. Maybe Doug, look at a chart. See if you can find a chart.

And these are kids that are going to be like straight, like crazy, shock, epiphen, shit. Like it's not like an allergy where, oh he is a little rat. Did you know any kids with food allergies? No. I didn't know any of them. No, it's gotten worse. A hundred percent worse.

Way worse and we've been aware. So then I think one kid. Which I think that's cause it to be so overwhelming is that the combination of it getting worse with more awareness around it just makes it seem like, oh my god, everybody has it now. We are exposed to way more chemicals that have effects on the body.

People are just less physically healthy anyway. We also are all exposed to glyphosate. By the way, you can now take a test, I think Dr. Cabral has this. You could take a test to, it's a urine test and they will let you know how much glyphosate residue you have in your urine. Okay, they find this in pregnant women's

breast milk. Glyphosates have dilaterious effects on the gut wall and your microbiome and it's fucking everywhere and here's what's sad. You could eat all organic and Oftentimes, you'll still have glyphosate residue because that shit is everywhere. What does that say now? What does that say there Doug? So one in 10 adults, one in 13 children have food allergies, but here is the interesting

thing. 377 percent claim. I can't. Anaphylaptic food reactions increase 377. I don't know. I get that. I get that. Between 2007 and 2016. Yeah, but hold on. Everybody calm down. Listen, from 2007 to 2016, that is not that long. That's nine years, 377% increase. One at a 13 children. Yeah, but that's what people, like out of, yeah, that's what people think. Out of a thousand percent.

Yeah, I think yeah, I know. This is food. I'm just, like, I think it's more than 100% people think that what are you talking about? 100% oh my god you guys are so you're gonna Anaphylactic The number was five and now the number is increased by 377 said you'd multiply it just It takes me out anyway, that's a funny way to present it, but that's crazy for dramatic in that short bit of time and that short by the way anaphylactic shock is not like,

I think I have, like this is something doctors. Oh yeah, no, you have to have a pen around. Bro, that is a massive. Yeah, this is also the wrong one. You're looking at food allergies. I want to, like, cause you could be intolerant to something and not have an allergy.

No, no, no, you're right. But I'm saying food allergies because there's a correlate, there's a connection there. It's, they're, they're immune reactions, right? That's why when they test, your food sensitivity is a test of the antibody. I know, but that's, I mean, that's a, that's a connection there. It's their immune reactions, right? That's why when they test, your food sensitivity is a test to the antibody. I know, but that's a, I mean, that's a, that's a crazier, that's a crazier situation.

Like if you just have an intolerance, that's more likely and a lesser issue. Dude, so I would think there's a much higher increase on intolerance. I agree, then there would be in food hours. I agree, go to restaurants now. How many restaurants now have gluten free option? Yeah.

That's kind of option or whatever. It's crazy. Well, I mean, yeah, but then that can go back to your free market. I'm arguing I've just market demand, because everybody thinks that they have an issue, which goes back to Justin's comedian point of like, now everybody thinks they have an intolerance to. No, no, there's other data you could find.

It's definitely going up. There's something going on. I mean, what I can do is share my experience. That's for damn sure. I know for sure what I think. Oh, it's definitely going up. There's something going on. I mean, what I can do is share my experience. That's for damn sure. I know for sure what I did think. It's a real thing. When you actually take the time out to parse out which foods are making you act a certain way,

it's like, it's a pretty damn obvious. Well, you know, it was very alarming for me through this, which just happened to me, is there's a part of me that wants to be ignorant to it. So, and that's a lot of people like wants to be ignorant to it. Yeah. So that's a lot of people like that. And that's admitting to it, right? Like it's like, man, that was a wayward situation. Then all the dairy I was eating just six months ago, I'd rather go back to that guy who was, you know, blissfully ignorant to it and just, oh,

blame it on something else or I don't have it like ignore it. That's like that scene from the Matrix when the dude makes a deal with the machines Remember yeah, I know the steak isn't real. Oh, yeah, no totally like that. There's a part of that You know you went through you went through the whole client Journey you know that you did you were told don't eat this who you didn't yeah, then you finally introduced it Then you broke the seal and went way over what you normally would do yeah You did the on the wagon off the, and then you replace it with candy, you're trying to look at it, you're not crazy.

That's why I wanted to share it because I'm obviously hyper aware, you know what I'm saying? This is what I do for a living. So, and how challenging both mentally for me, the physical discipline side of it, like, yeah, I know I can totally see where a client is going to deny it, and then even when they accept it, then they're gonna go through an alternative, Yeah, I know I can totally see where a client is going to deny it.

And then even when they accept it, then they're going to go to an alternative. The alternative isn't a better, it's like just a lesser evil. It's like, well, I mean, speaking of crazy stuff that in today's world, you would see a news title. I don't think I'd ever seen this news title back in the day. There was a shooting in a White Sox stadium, and this all happened because a lady had hidden, smuggled a gun inside, but you know how she smuggled it in?

Her fanny back. No, I'm telling you. Underneath her gut. Oh! Like her footbar is close. Underneath her gut, and it fired off close. It's good. It fired off accidentally. It shot her. Her grazed her leg and then hit her friend right next to her.

What? Oh, wow. Like what? Did they, okay, did they fall? Did you lift your belly, tuck it in? You lift it, drop it. Tuck it in. Gun sticks.

Guns stuck. Wow. Undetected. Wow. Yeah. You know what set it off was the Cheeto. There was a Cheeto there was a cheeto That is weird isn't that weird find out why she was smuggling a gun in her under no, I yeah, no, I don't know I mean it's again like Chicago has been kind of

Sorry, I live there Yeah, you imagine she meets some guy at the game. They go back to his place, takes off for sure. Oh shit. Yeah, I know your plans were bad. That's like a, it's like a, isn't that a naked gun episode? It's like an episode. Is that a naked gun episode where he's like, he pull,

he's pulling, he's like pulling like like 40 guns out of nowhere, I'm saying that feel like that's what that's from. She's the weirdest tie. I was like, what? I didn't know how to wrap my brain around you. You just reminded me of a terrible story. I used to work with a woman who used to work with the severely severely obese,

like the kind of people who are bedridden and that they have to go to their house to help them. And that kind of stuff like on my 600 pound life. She said that this one man had this, they were just like festering skin issue that couldn't figure it was. There was there was food like stuck one of his yeah they never found it and they had to walk along. No, I'm sorry. I'm a dog. That's where it's supposed to stop.

That's the reason that's even worse. That is worse. Road like a gun is like you intentionally place that there like a piece of pepperoni pizza. I know there was 12 slices in here. I was like, where's that 12 slice going or when? Oh, I'm not forget about it. I'm not. That's disgusting. Hey, okay.

So you were over in Palm Springs? Palm Springs. Yeah. Just the boys and Courtney. And then her brother's family. They, that's first time they were there with us. Oh, did they rent another place there? Yeah, so they're, yeah, so it's cool

because it's kind of a little community. We knew one of the owners that wasn't there and they allowed us for them to stay at their place. And so, yeah, so we just, we hung out and did a lot of pool time. It was really hot. We actually went to this air museum, which was cool in Paul and Paul and Paul.

It's all up. Which we all, I air museum, which was cool in Palmestown. That's right. Which, we, I don't know, there's something about that like old military World War II stuff. Like my kids really into it. And it's fun. But yeah, we just, I mean, we didn't do anything crazy. It was pretty fun, chill. It was a good time.

I was up with the trucky. Who all went with you? So it was, I took three of my kids. And of course the wife and then my cousin, his wife and their two girls, which I love them, they're my favorite people. We had a great time, we had a great time with the kids. We all got to connect, my cousin and his wife got to work out at our PRX gym in the garage.

They were commenting on how great the gym was. This is really cool and it folds out. And so they were talking about maybe getting, you know, getting set up in the garage. Cause my cousin's like, I don't like to put anything in garage, I want to park everything in the garage. That's how I am. Yeah.

That's what I love about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so once he saw and felt how sturdy it was, he's like, this is great. I'm like, bro, put this, this is like the best home gym equipment. Anyway, we had a great time. We had a totally great time up there. But here's what's funny.

Did I ever tell you guys a story about how I got chased by a bear when I was a kid with my cousin? I told you guys that, right? Okay. Old story, I must have told him the past episode. Anyway, long story short, we were kids camping. My cousin and I were probably 12 playing in the woods. We saw bear. We ran bears chased whatever runs. Chases for a second. Traumatize both of us. So till this day, you see a berry. You forget. Well, you guys know how I am about. I'll talk about what bear season up there right now. I know. So him and I are both like, we know this and we laugh about it like bears are the thing for us, right?

Anyway, he shows up and he's unpacking whatever and he brought a gun He brought again. Yeah, I'm like, why do you bring your why'd you bring your your burretta? Well, you know, it's bears up here my problem You got your gun because it's bears So we went out to the, they're not greasy. Hey, we went out to get the, you know, at night,

how the excusey rings is gun, puts it on the side. No, we did, we did, it's what it got. Like I do, bro. You definitely traumatized it. I know, I was like wishing a bear would come because I'd be awesome. I'm gonna pull some out. Bang, bang, bang.

Wow, I know. But anyway, we got a great time. Did you guys just hang around the house? Did you guys go anywhere? Mostly around the wow. I know. But anyway, we got it. We got it great time. Did you guys just hang around the house? Did you guys go anywhere? Mostly around the house. We went out to dinner once, over at what's that place called, Bar of America.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we had a good time over there. It was fun, man. It was good weather. Not really. It was kind of cloudy, but it was good for the family. Oh, did you guys get rain? We got like dumped on.

We had some. You know, the whole thing. Yeah, we're weather. Super hot, super hot. Super hot. Super like in the rain was warm too. So I the whole, you know the whole, you had a weird weather. Super hot, super hot. Super like, and the rain was warm too. So I was like, I enjoyed it, because it was like a nice break for me. Did you see what happened up in a burning man?

Yes. So that's, I mean, India values like, wait further, that direction. So, so my, my kid was talking about how friends of his were gonna go to Burning Man. He's like, but I don't think I'm gonna go. Thank God It rained so much over there people got trapped

So they wouldn't let anybody live you couldn't leave you could I read Matt Vincent's post and I was like, oh wow He was talking about what a like chat like of course he was talking about the positive things like it was And he was I was like reading it like this Not like happy no matter what yeah, I'm like hey, I'm reading it and I'm like, this is not so happy. I'm like, I'm happy no matter what. Yeah, I'm like, hey, I'm reading it. Like, you can do it. So, yeah, I want to do it all right now. No, they're trapped.

The porta-potties couldn't get changed. Then there was hours to get in and out of her. Then there was a rumor that Ebola was, would you hear about this? No. That Google burning man Ebola. There was like rumors that like, people are coughing up,

coagulated blood, stay inside your tents, whatever. I didn't see that. Turned out to be, turned out to be false. I think. But like that Ebola was spreading. Oh my God. Of course, of course all the conspiracy. Oh yeah.

It's happening. I guess I'm asking. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I guess you're mad. People are turning to side. You water their mouth and you think it's something else. Yeah. Burning Man putting triggers false claims of Ebola. Look at that. No, it's not. My god

For any man putting triggers false claims of Ebola Three hours ago, that's what it went a what a terrible trip Yeah, right tripping out. Hey, man. There's a bully here Every time I hear someone say like positive about it Then I hear stories like this. I'm like I just I don't want to go now I'm like it go back and forth. I want to go then I don't want to go I'm like this makes me't want to go now. I'm like, it go back and forth. I want to go, then I don't want to go. I'm like, this makes me again, not want to go. I'm sure it's a spectacle. I heard Doug kind of describing, because you went like twice, right?

Doug was twice. He went before it was this crazy though, right? Is it, wait, crazier now? Yeah, I think it's crazier now. When I went there, it's maybe around 30,000 people there. I think it's up to over 50,000 people. No, did you, did you wear, any crazy? Did you wear that?

I didn't dress up in a metal style. So the first time I went, I was just there as a pure observer. And then I got sick. And so I basically laid around for most of the time. It was kind of a real waste. The second time I went, I did bring some stuff, but nothing crazy. And I enjoyed it. Like what, what do you mean?

What do you want? Just like a costumes, you know? I didn't have any like, you know, leather I know it was not I wasn't anything crazy I got bro. I had anything to picture is I want to do chain mail and ask you where what kind of what do you mean by costume Would you wear I'm trying to remember like a yeah like it in the end of Jones costume or something like Yeah, nothing like I was not into the leather even though there were some people there And then there's of course people there that are into the costume where you don't wear anything.

Yeah. But it is, as I was describing it, I, this is my description of Bernie Mann. It's, it's Mad Max, Neats, Cirque du Soleil, Neats Dr. Seuss. That's a good analogy. Yeah, I mean, you see people on stilts, you see people doing acrobatics, spinning fire, there's a thunder dome there, there used to be anyway. Wow.

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty crazy. And the art installations are absolutely amazing. Yeah, the art is what makes me want to go. Speaking of that. Okay, I went to, I was in Park City, right, or the Utah place. And every day pretty much down on the strip at Parsity, which absolutely love that place.

And I've continued to fall in love with it more, the more I get familiarized with everything. And I would say that that is probably got some of the most art galleries I've ever seen in my life anywhere. There's places like Carmel that have some places Santa Barbara's. And there's more like high-end art there

than I've ever seen anywhere else. And in fact, I got to talk to some of the brokers over's and there's more like high-end art there than I've I've ever seen anywhere else and in fact I got to talk to some of the brokers over there and me down they're like yeah this is like one of the like mechas for like good art and we got we are continuing I were walking down there one of the nights when like most of shops were getting closed and so it was cool we got to hey I met this guy and like that was running the show and and uh or the store and been doing it for like over a decade. And got like this like personal tour of the back of the other stores and like the storyline behind

all these different artists and it was like real real cool experience for her and I. And he took us to this, one of their other buildings that was like closed up for the night and like back and show this art. There's this guy, I'll show you, I'll share with the YouTube team because I took pictures of some of this art,

but like all the artwork is like an X-ray. It's just X-ray photos. And I'll show you guys, and of course, it'll pop up on here for the YouTubers. Like it was, it's just like, but what it was required to take an X-ray, this toy car, like full-size vehicles and people, right? So it's huge.

And it takes like 10 hours of stillness to shoot like for an X-ray, I guess, to go all the way through an engine of a car and show you their side. It has to be, it has to be running for like 10 hours. Well, so the, the artist has, I don't know, how expensive an X-air machine that is bigger, big enough to shoot a full size car. We'll call it an airplane, I think you have. Yeah, insanely expensive. Yeah, insanely expensive.

And then, like, he's telling us all about, like, yeah, that's crazy. I'm like, it's crazy that nobody's, I've never seen anyone trying copies art. He's like, well, first of all, you have to have the money to afford an X-Rite there. And then also, he goes, you see all the skeletons, and he goes, you'd have to get a human to sit there for terror. None of those are all cadavers. Of course. So he-

Otherwise you get too much radiation. So he sets up these cadavers. And it's actually really cool art. It looks really, really cool. And then you get to hear the backstory on it and realize how it's made. And you're like, oh shit, that's wild. Do you guys know, you guys wanna know the first commercial uses of X-rays?

You guys know? Oh, commercial use, what do you mean by that? I don't remember that. Like retail uses. This is true. You would go to buy shoes and in order to see if the shoe fit you well, you put your foot in the shoe and they would do an X-ray. Wow.

And they would do this on kids. They would do this on everybody. They really let your foot in. the shoe and they would do an x-ray and they would do the sun. They would do the sun. They would do the sun. They would do the sun. They would do the sun. They would do the sun. They would actually do the sun. They would x-ray your foot to see if the shoe fit well. Oh, that's interesting.

Didn't they also use them in diamond mines? Oh, yeah. Did you know that? The debiers. I didn't know that. The debiers diamond mines. When workers would finish working, they would x-ray them to see if they were smuggling any diamonds out there.

Oh my god. like they need any other sub-bite. Forable. Sub-bite. They'd be like breathing dust and like all day long. Yeah, here we go, let's just get rid of it. Horrible conditions. Terrible.

I just text Doug, because I don't know if Doug can pull it up or not, but I just sent you over, but I thought it was really cool. There was a lot of other pieces that I thought were really fascinating. So I was telling him the story too. I said, yeah, my partners and I say we're looking for art to put on all the walls. And so we came down here and you know, they said we shopped all day and bought nothing

because everything is like over the topic expensive. And we're like, this is a short term rental. I don't know if I want to put a $100,000 piece of art on the walls. All over the place, the art would be worth more than you put a $100,000 piece of art on the walls, all over the place. The art would be worse more than you got in your house when after we fill all the walls. Is that it right there Doug? Scroll it up.

Oh yeah, that's it. Scroll up. No TV on the bottom. Oh yeah. Oh sorry, I switched the wrong TV here. Can you see it? No I don't. You can see part of it.

You have to scroll. Oh I can see it. Okay, finally I'm winning. There you go. Oh cool. Persona knows. So you put a Oh, cool. Persona knows. So you put a cadaver on a motorcycle? Wow.

Bro, cars, planes, like in position and all the people. How do you get a dead body? How do you, how do you go? That's, I thought that was the stuff. And then also you think, because it's X-ray, you can't like put things to hold it or in place.

So I don't know how the hell he did all this, but super famous artist. I don't know if you could probably find out who the name is. I can shout out the actual artist. Interesting. All right, I got a shout out. I don't know if I shouted this person out yet, but they're on Twitter. And they've got a really good page.

They post about studies and strength training. It's maybe I did shout out. I don't know if I did. It's Twitter and it's at M-A-N-G-N-A-N-150. So at M-A-N-G-A-N-150, just great, great posts, great stuff on studies on health and strength training. He's a microbiologist and also a fitness person. It's Twitter on X where you follow.

On X, yeah. And it's just, it's one of the best accounts I found. If you like studies, you like breakdowns of studies, and you like somebody to kind of cut through all the crap, check it out. I'm gonna go. Do you wanna maximize your sleep? Literally, make it even more recuperative,

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Yeah, go for it. Ask your question. Well, we can actually see your question too. So, uh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so, um, basically, I'm about 49 years old. I started back up weight training consisting of 18 months ago with the MAPSANabolic prior to that was pretty active until my mid 30s when I got my back injury and stops. And I also got married and had kids as well. So that sort of stops you from doing quite a bit.

So prior to that, I never really did, I did until I started on the mat, so I can learn from you guys the importance of that exercise. And I was always worried about basically hurting my back again, or, you know, while I was weight training before, it was just in the old days, it was like something you sort of, you know, sometimes avoided because you were worried about hurting yourself. But ironically, since I've been deadlifting, my back's been pretty flawless and I've known it in the issues at all for the last sort of year or so.

But my query is basically just using a hex file to do the actual exercise with. I basically chose that, although it's a safe option to do. So, wouldn't it have asked I'm missing out on anything, I'll use it on a part bill. Okay, so let's talk about injury first. Injuries during exercise or movement happen because of weakness. Now, weakness in the context of your overall body strength and in the context of the movement, you were attempting or trying to do. So it doesn't necessarily mean someone's weak. For example, let's say you have a very strong body builder who could deadlift a lot of weight, but let's say their, their

QL muscles is one of the lateral, let's say stabilizers of low back, doesn't match the strength that the other prime movers can move. So now you have an imbalance. So it's caused by weakness, but it's in the context of your overall body. So that's how injuries happen. So a deadlift will hurt you if you are not strong enough to perform the deadlift with the right stability and technique and all that stuff. Okay. So that's number one.

A hex bar is a lower risk version of a deadlift because it's less technical. So the more technical an exercise is, the higher the risk is because it's harder to maintain perfect form or better form with a more technical exercise. And a hex bar just places the weight more at your sides. It involves a little bit more quadricep.

There's less posterior chain activation. So for people who, let's say, are learning the deadlift or not comfortable with their technique or form or stability, a hex bar is a fine substitute. Are you missing out on anything? I mean, not really. The only thing I would say you're missing out on is the fact that you're not working on something

that you may still have, let's say a small imbalance with. So if you were my client, Mark, what I would do is I would slowly move you to a straight bar with careful technique, form, make sure we stabilize your core, work on course stability, do rotational exercises, lateral stability, kind of stuff, because I want you to be able to deadlift. That doesn't mean we always have to deadlift, but I want you to be able to do that because

let's face it, in the real world, when you lift something off the ground, it's almost never in a hex bar position. It's almost always in front of you, which is more like a deadlift. It's a very classic kind of hip hinge movement that we don't necessarily want to lose the ability to do. So I would say that's the only thing you're missing out on. But if you never straight bar deadlifted, only hex bar deadlifted, did other exercises, you'd probably be okay.

So I'd really leave it up to you. But again, if you were my client, I wouldn't keep you there. I would say, okay, why can't we do this exercise? Why are we afraid of it? Let's address this and let's slowly progress. Yeah, there's not a lot of pure posterior chain type exercises that Compared to deadlift like that. So I would say, you know, to to sales point that the hex bar does you know help in terms of lowering the risk a bit with that And it does activate post-ear chain, but it also helps to kind of balance that out

Just like a squat more so and a little bit less on the hip hinge. So To just kind of refine that hip hinge and get, you know, your hamstrings a little bit more involved, or your glutes, like, you know, up your back and just really focus exclusively on that because we're so anterior driven already, like everything you're doing on a daily basis is out in front of you.

And so to be able to kind of counter that a bit more focus on the strength of that has a lot of value, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to go crazy with the load, just to be able to you know, practice that that form and that technique. We're obviously all going to say the same thing that we'd want to move you towards the deadlift, but I do want to point out that it's a bit of splitting hairs to put too much stress on it also. Like the fact that you are hex bar deadlifting, if you have, I don't know how long it's been, if it's been a year or two years, since you've been doing that.

And you've progressed, have you progressed the weight in that time too, are you like continuing? Oh, yes, significantly. I mean, 120 kilos is what I can do on the strength phase. Yeah. It's a massive amount of blood. Yeah, so I mean, I think you're doing great, right? So if you were a client of mine,

we were really scared or nervous about our previous back injury that we had and we wanted to do Hexbar before we even moved to like a traditional deadlift. It really would be, and this is the one area that's challenging for us on a podcast like this is, you know, based off of what each of us would be seeing you, like if you were a client coming in,

it would be how fast I would progress you to that deadlift. Like if I looked at you and you're doing that hex bar and you're strong and you look good, I'm like, oh, we could easily go to the deadlift and just lighten the load and just really slowly work on technique. You've now built a solid foundation in the hip hinge that I think that we can progress it. It's just a more technical lift and it's and there's which of course means more risk.

But if we cut the load in half, work on technique, you'll soon get to a place where you'll be able to deadlift as much as you can do with the hex bar if not more. Yeah, so Mark, also if you do try to go with a straight bar, consider that the average person with good technique and form, okay, so no fear, no injury, no instability issues, will lift between 25 to maybe 30, 35 kilos, less on a straight bar anyway, okay. So it's been much. Yeah, so like if I could hex bar deadlift 600 pounds,

then my max on the deadlift would be closer to maybe 5, 35, 50 in terms of pounds. So when you do try the straight bar, you're gonna have to light it, lighten it a lot, not just what I said, but much more, right? So what did you say, you're in a strength phase, 140 kilos, did you say? 120 kilos. Yeah, so I would go, you know, I'll go less than half. 135. 135. 45 is on each side. No, no, no, no, I would go, yeah, I would go less than half, 135. No, but 45's on each side. No, no, no. I would go, yeah, I would go less than half the weight because he's also working on stuff.

I would make it very light. I would not try to make it a workout. And I would just really perfect the form if that's the direction you want to go. So when I do the hex bar, I get like, I was getting like, when I went heavier, but I got quivering vibration in my right, so it left happened down the bottom, which I can now.

Yeah, so that could be a core stability issue. So I would really work on bracing the core. I would do rotational exercises. Well, yeah, that opens up another discussion now. Maybe, I mean, if you've been running mostly at a ball, have you ran performance yet? Or symmetry? No, I've had prime pro. I mean, I've actually, one question I was going to ask was,

facing my right side, I always seem to get issues. I've got, like, at the moment, I find it hard to sort of move my elbow up. So yeah, and then I've got tight hamstrings. When I walk, I get a sore you know, saw me and then, when I got a bed in the morning, my foot on that side is always funny in the morning. You need to go to map symmetry, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's the move. So before we even worry about the, you know, barbed wire, yeah, straight bar deadlift, let's move into symmetry and do that. And then when you come back to say, let's say, anabolic, then we could move to, like the barbell deadlift and see what happens there. But I think you're gonna benefit from unilateral work,

some rotational work, some isometric work. You're gonna get all that in symmetry. Those issues on that side, do you reckon, I just told you in balance issue. Correct. Yep. That's definitely what that says. Yeah, Doug's gonna send that over to you,

so that's the direction you should go. Oh, great, I'm already, that's really gracious. And this is, I mean, here's a perfect example of, you know, as you've given us more information, we would see that if you were a client and you're moving in front of us, and so that is what would dictate was going like, hey, let's get right to the barbell deadlift.

If we saw that you were having this movement issue and you're right, you're giving, if you were to give that feedback first, all of us would have jumped and said, oh, well, let's not worry about the barbell dead left yet. Let's go to symmetry. Let's fix the imbalances and then we'll move into something like that. Okay.

Cool. All right. So Doug's going to send that over to you, Mark. Oh, thank you. You want to say you guys already appreciate the content. I've found you guys probably, well, quite a few years ago, you're on a dot-to-reshow podcast. It's like a fun, awesome guy. Yeah, yeah.

And then that's, I'm listening to you, you've really got me back in, I mean, there's a lot of people online who, you know, talk about fitness, but having a 3D together and a real balanced view of all three of you, is brilliant and it really stimulated me, and you know, educating me about getting back into fitness and, you know, it's been really good for you basically.

I appreciate it. That's awesome. Thank you, Martin. fitness and, you know, it's been really good for you basically. I appreciate it. That's awesome. Thank you, Mark. Appreciate it. Good one. All right. Take care guys. Thank you.

Yeah, I think it's important to communicate how injuries happen because there's a lot of, I guess, misunderstandings around it. And it's always weakness, but it's in the context of the person's body and their ability. So you can be very strong injure yourself with something that seems benign and then you're you're left questioning what the hell happened. How did I hurt myself? I'm so strong on the gym. It's because there is a muscle or a movement that is weak in the context of everything else that you could do. It's an imbalance

and that's where it comes from. This is how strong people heard themselves. It's also how weak people heard themselves. So it's all the same. Well, to that point, the reason why right away everyone jumped to symmetry and or talking about rotational stuff is he's talked about having a strain in his abdominal from when doing that, which means he probably had a little bit of shift when he did. Right. And then and that little bit of shift when he was lifting heavy, you know, hex bar deadlift is because he's got very little Strength in the rotational or the stability component of his abdominals. And so Training that is a and bulletproofing that before we progress him into a barbell deadlift, which again, this is the nuances of of

Training and teaching people how to lift properly and it's not as simple as this training and teaching people how to live properly. And it's not as simple as this exercise is better than that exercise. It's like, well, it matters. Right, right. And just to add to this, it's like, if you have a regular car and you throw a thousand horsepower in there and you don't reinforce and strengthen the frame, you'll twist it. And it's not because the car was weak before. It was weak for the new strength that it has. So again, I want to make that point to everybody listening, that injuries happen because of imbalances, because of weakness, not because you're weak. Our next color is Adrian from Massachusetts.

Adrian, what's happening, man? How can I help you? Hey guys, what's up? How are you? Doing so good, so good. So awesome to see you to talk to you. I'm really happy I got to have this opportunity. I'll tell you something. I just want to, yeah, to talk to you. Really happy I got to have this opportunity. I'll tell you something. Just want to, yeah, just first to say, obviously, I, like everybody else, I really appreciate all the quality information that you guys bring to the fitness space.

And not just about the physical components, right? But how important, mental and behavioral aspects are as well. And personally, how much you guys share about fatherhood experiences, business, personal lives, everything, all that kind of really resonates with me. And, you know, so your vulnerability has really kind of allowed me to jump in and really buy into everything. You know, I've been working out for almost 15 years and I never bought a single program until I listen to you guys for just a couple of months and I bought the RBG bundle just because, you

know, your passion and your knowledge and everything just really you know sold me and it's an amazing investment you know that I highly recommend for anybody and don't regret it. So thank you. Oh thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So that kind of leads into my question. So I'm also a dad. I have three girls and I'm actually a full-time lawyer. I'm in my office right now, but I'm also within the past years that I became a group boxing fitness instructor. And I teach like eight to 10, sometimes more

from subbing classes a week. And you know, really love fitness as well. I'm trying to kind of expand that side of my career. But as you can imagine, I don't really have much time for my own workouts. And after I bought the bundle, I started with anabolic. And I ended up getting through it. But I think when I initially put the question out there,

I was kind of getting into phase three. And there were only certain days that I could kind of fit in a full foundational day. And so let's say if I had those days set on Monday and Wednesday, if something happened, you know, laid up, laid up with the kids working on a case or whatever, and let's say that, you know, one day, which was scheduled to be the day when I would do that, you know, tough or longer workout, didn't necessarily kind of match

up in terms of where I was either physically or being tired or just maybe sometimes not having the time. It'd be hard to find the time again until maybe another to the following week, right? And it'd be, you know, four or five, maybe six days or so before I got to it again. So just wondering about how I kind of managed the time around that in terms of what I ended up doing was really just, you know, if I didn't get to day two in a certain week and then it wasn't until the following week when I was normally going to be doing day one foundational day, I would just go, you know, go with day two and kind of go from there

and it kind of ended up that I ended up extending the program. I think a couple of weeks, but still, you know, finished it. And it really became more of a struggle, I think, in phase three, where there was, you know, when it was three foundational days, it was harder to find the three days to be able to do that. But yeah, that was my question in terms of programming-wise, you know, if that makes sense, what I did, or if there was another way to handle it or what not, or maybe it was just too much in terms of everything else that I was also doing with classes, and also I would do at least one or two boxing workouts today as well. I made a weak coat.

Yeah. So, you're not going to like my answer, because I can tell you how I achieve it. Okay, so you're a lawyer. You got three kids, and you want to teach boxing group class, which means you're also doing the class, right? As an instructor, I mean, you're not maybe doing the full class which means you're also doing the class, right? As an instructor, I mean, you're not maybe doing the full class, but you're doing a lot of the class. So you're working out, you're doing a lot.

I mean, there's a lot there. And I think the way you handled it was right, but I would bet that you're probably still overdoing it. I think you probably have that tendency, it's probably served you well. Obviously, you're probably pretty successful. My question is, why do another 10 hours a week of group classes on top of being a lawyer and a dad?

That's so much to handle and manage. Why do the extra? Yeah, I can't imagine the $40 an hour is making up with the difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's definitely not about the money. I think, like I said, I got into fitness boxing. It's kind of the thing that got me into it the most.

And I kind of found a passion for there. And then it was kind of just like my own outlet. But I always, I really love working with people and helping people in different aspects. And I always thought about doing that. And then over the pandemic, you know, the lawyer stuff wasn't happening as much. And so once Jim started opening back up, I kind of thought, well, let me see, you know, I can do this a little bit on the side. And then I just really, really fell in love with it and then passionate about it.

And, you know, those are like the best parts of my day is working with clients and teaching classes and doing those things. And so I've been just looking for more opportunities and trying to think on how I can create a business out of it. But obviously, like you said, it's a challenge. And I'm sure you guys suck all the time out. It's not necessarily the most lucrative thing to do. Become a personal trainer, getting it into the business.

But I know that it's kind of where I find the most fulfillment at least right now, so it's mainly that. So, I love your answer. I love this question because there's like multiple directions that we can go here, right? And it really depends on like your feedback with me. Like if you were a client and you're asking me this question and you're frustrated with maybe like your progress, I might say them. But if you looked at me, you're like, Adam, I really, I love what I'm doing.

I love the classes. I do like getting in there, wait, and am I just fucking up the program? By doing it, do I do it? I'd say, well, you're probably overdoing it. Like Sal said, I'd say, you know, maybe just one foundational day a week and just stick to that. And then the days when you have extra time,

you probably need the rest in recovery. You got three kids, you've got your lawyer, you're doing a bunch of shit. But if you were complaining to me, like, man, my body just is not progressing. And I'm not seeing the results for all the work I'm putting in. I'm saying, well, yeah, you're putting in way too much work if we're trying to progress to build your body,

to change your composition. Like, we're not going by right. But if you told me, like, I love what I do, and I enjoy every aspect of this, I enjoy the classes, I love the energy from it, I like getting in there and lifting a bit of myself, what's that balance look like? I'd say that's what it kind of looks like,

but I know the direction that Sal went right away is like, okay, this isn't the best way to skin this cat. There's a better way to do this if you wanted to see more progress, more results. So this is where this gets like new wants to, it really depends on what you want from this. Like what are you trying to achieve by doing all these things? Is it, are you trying to change the physique or are you kind of happy? Because I just saw your

Instagram, your great shape. So you don't need. Yeah, you're kind of happy with that. And you're just really strengthening the supplement and support, you know, your venture in with your classes and to keep that going. That's something you want to keep going because you enjoy it. That's your goal. It's pretty much how you haven't laid out. If you did want to spend more time and focus on the actual strength and move the needle in that direction, we'd have to adjust things a bit.

We have to reduce the classes. If you're like, man, my deadlift isn't getting stronger, my body composite, well, okay, yeah, that's because your body is tax, dude, and you're running the red line a lot, and you're not allowing it to recover and build strength. But if you said, I mean, I love it, and I'm enjoying it, and I'm happy with the way I look and feel like I'm, I mean, the only thing, and your intuition was actually right. The way you handled it, it was, I would probably told you, I would have pushed you more like just one day a week. I would have said, hey bro, even though you could do to this week,

you don't need to. You're already kickbox in 10 hours out of the week, plus your one day of foundational training. That's funny. You're going to get stronger, you're going to build muscle, you're going to stay fit. That's more than enough with that. I would just tell you to follow the program.

So you kind of were already going that way. Your intuition I think was right. I would probably tell you to follow the program. So you kind of were already going that way, your intuition I think was right. I would probably push you in that direction a little more. But again, a lot of this has to do with the feedback I'm getting from you and what you're telling me you want to get out of this. Yeah, look, it's like this, okay. What's more valuable to you, and I'm going to ask this to generally, anybody listening right now, is in extra, let's say four pounds of muscle and a 2% loss of body fat.

Is that more important in life quality? And the answer should be no. For everybody, quality of life is more important. So if you're doing this for quality of life, enjoying your family, and your business, and you like teaching classes, you're on the right path. Once a week is probably going to be ideal most of time.

And then one thing I'll add, and I don't know if you already do this, I would imagine you do, because you seem like you're pretty dialed in, is you're gonna have to be really structured about your sleep, because that would really mess you up with everything else. Go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time,

and really take that seriously. And that'll afford you the ability to be able to do all the things that you do, because otherwise it'll get really difficult. But I think you're on the right path, dude. I don't think I think you made the right decision. I would go once a week, foundational workout, and you can pick a foundational workout from maps and a ball deck, maps performance, or some of our other programs, maps symmetry would probably be good also, just to kind of balance things out, keep the muscle, the strength, the mobility, and the stability, so you can keep being

a badass. Thanks. Yeah, I think it's definitely kind of more along the lines of, I enjoy what I'm doing. And certainly, there are times where I love to build more muscle or drop a couple, you know, percentage off the body fat. And I think, you know, sometimes it goes along with like short-term girl goals, like if I have a trip coming up, then I'll really focus in, and I'll dial in. And then I'm definitely looking at the sleep and different things like that. There was a time where I kind of used, I think one of your episodes talked about, like kind of getting your deadlift up in a short period of time. And I kind of followed all those things and

kind of went with that for like 30 days and I put about 25 pounds on the bar. So for sure, I know that obviously all the things I'm doing, it doesn't necessarily lend itself to like kind of going in the great physique direction, but yeah, I think overall, I know that I'm sacrificing some in that aspect, but like the quality of, I think overall, I know that I'm sacrificing some, you know, in that aspect, but like the quality of life, I think, balances out. Yeah. That's what matters the most, bro. If you, if you feel good, everything's moving well. Who cares? Yeah. It's, it, you're, I think what you're doing is, is, is totally fine. And you're, it, it all dependent on if you were to tell me something about your strength or the way you looked and you want to change body composition, then I'd say, yeah, we're not, you know, we,

it's so interesting how we, and I think it's because, I mean, let's, we aren't, if you apply like being a lawyer, the harder you study, the more you put into it, the better you are at, right? I mean, that's just, that's how it is in almost every aspect. Training is not that way. Training to get stronger or training to change

your body composition is not the more I do, the more effort I put into it, the more I'm going to return, it's different. And so I think that's always the challenge for people is, you know, you think like you got something coming up, let's say in three weeks you're going to Vegas, you're like, yeah, I mean, I'd like to get a little more shredded and you think, I'm going to do more than I'm doing. It's like, that's not the right approach for someone who's already doing as much as you are. There's a better strategy if that was the goal. But if your ultimate goal is like, I'm passionate about what I do,

I love teaching my classes, I wanna be a strong guy, I mean, I think. And you're fit and healthy? I mean, it'd be no different than you being sacrificing time with your family so you can make an extra 10 grand a year. You know, if you're already doing really well, are you gonna notice that extra 10 grand

is not gonna do much for you. Same thing with adding another three, four pounds of muscle and dropping a couple percent body fat. It's not gonna make that big of a difference and when you compare it to feeling good and having the time to spend with your family and doing things you enjoy, it's not worth it. Adrian, do you have the flexibility

with the teaching classes where you can kind of dictate, oh, right now I'm gonna do 10 hours, maybe next week I'll do two, or do you have to kind of like stick to your 10 hours? How does that work? It's a set schedule, yeah. So I have a certain amount of a week. I do sometimes there are options in terms of subbing, so somebody else can't do a class.

Maybe I might pick up a one or two extra, right? But I can decline that, I guess. Okay. Yeah. Because I mean, that's how, again, if you're a client or a buddy of mine and you're like, yo, we got Vegas in a month and a half, like, what should I do? And I'd be like, okay, well, let's how that's if you know again if you're a client or a buddy of mine and you're like Yo, we got Vegas in a month and a half like what should I do? And I'd be like, okay, well, let's cut back on those classes. Let's pick up a little bit more strength training Let's dial the diet in like that's kind of the suggestion

I would give you like when you have those those moments in your your your year But other than that, I think I think I think you're on the right track I think your intuition was right. I think what all of us said is just, I'd cut to one day a week with that. If you're doing 10 hours, even if you were just doing five hours, to be honest with you, you're doing five hours of teaching classes, especially if you're actually doing the classes with them.

That's a lot. And one day of strength training is enough to actually support you and actually keep good amount of muscle mass on you. Another option, you know what we didn't say this to you, and I'd love to give it to you since what you already have in RGB is the Maps 15. Maps 15 would compliment kind of what you're doing,

because you could also do that instead of one big day of training is like little micro workouts throughout the week. Yeah, two exercises a day. Yes, I actually think that you might, and that would be something fun to play with someone like you. Here's a good example of like how I might test that with you Go hey, you know what actually instead of doing like in a block. Let's run 15 and let's just do that and that actually might Down the toe to the gym like 20 minutes early do a couple lifts then teach your class and that'll be that'll be a bulk of the workouts

Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah play around with that and then get back to us I'd like to actually really like to hear how you respond to that Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, play around with that and then get back to us. I'd like to actually really like to hear how you respond to that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. All right, man. Adrian. All right. You might as I can share my Instagram when you mentioned it. It's, uh, yeah, we got.

Oh, yeah. What is it? What is it? Dog? You just had it up there. Yeah, well, go ahead, Adrian. I don't have a written right. It's, uh, the Fit Life lawyer. Got it.

Fit Life lawyer. The boys on YouTube will definitely post them the stuff while we're talking about you, so you'll see it on the internet. By the way, I like how you balance things out. You know what I mean? I'm a lawyer, so I also want to help people and do good things on top of it. Yeah. Help people from.

Yeah, you know, exactly. A lawyer partner, not as much with the help. I'm just kidding. I appreciate it. Yeah, I know exactly Not as much with the help I'm just kidding I appreciate it. Yeah, keep it up Thank you guys That's what you can get into heaven Pay your penance. Yeah, no, you know Listen, this is from personal experience

This is just a struggle for me Is out trade life quality for extra 10 pounds of the bar A little extra muscle. And it's just the lesson I got to keep revisiting because eventually I go, is this worth it? You know, the way I feel is it worth this extra, whatever. It's not that big of nobody else notices but me. And I think that if you want longevity in the sense that you're doing this consistently, life quality is what will keep you doing it forever, not squeezing out an extra, you know, a couple pounds of muscle or whatever.

That's not what brings that, you know? Yeah, that's just maturity. I mean, if you've been in it for as long as any of us, or, you know, if you've just been in the gym a long time and been after it, it's like your priorities shift. And to be able to support like things that you love doing and activities you love to do and all that,

you can readjust it all to make it sort of balanced. And you know, at some point you're gonna get past the whole ego side of lifting. Yeah, and there's a couple of things there. One, I think that's kind of natural for type A personalities. And then two, I think people that consider themselves fitness people, you know, he's obviously building

towards kind of building a business that way. He's putting himself out there on Instagram. Obviously, you guys are fitness people that are all over the internet. There's a bit of the culture that just that surrounds that that you have to look this. You can cut up a little bit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, the people that get a lot of the attention have the craziest looking physique or the strongest dude deadlifting or squatting.

And if you're, I mean, I mean, I see comments on our YouTube stuff like that. Like, if I'm not fucking Mr. Jack guy, like I'm getting, you know, well, who these guys tell me how to train it? So there's a bit of that culture around that. And that can, that can fuck with you. And especially if you're already a type A person where you are a go-getter. It's like someone says something like that. Your personality is the type to like, well, I'm going to show them. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to get after it.

I mean, it takes a lot of discipline, humility to not, to not allow that noise to get into what's, what's probably best for your body. Totally. Sorry. I feel that way. I think you look great. Yeah. Our next caller is Brett from Texas. Hey, how's it going?

How can we help you? Good. How are you guys doing? Good. Doing great. Good. Well, thank you so much for taking the time. I'm sure you guys hear this all the time,

but you really helped a lot of people. When I was starting on like all the weight lifting stuff, it was really confusing. And people were giving me all kinds of extensors about macros and things. So your podcast was like a real resource for me. So thank you very much. Thank you.

Well done. Yeah. And so my question is about hypermobility. It seems like there's a lot of people that touch on it, but not a lot of specialists. And just like a not a lot of people that touch on it, but not a lot of specialists, and just like a lot of resources overall. I did a lot of research, and I kind of went down the rabbit hole when I had this revelation that this might be

where a lot of my pain is coming from. And when I originally reached out, I could really only find like one episode of My Pump that talked about it. And like Sal, you had mentioned that it was very rare. And I don't know how old the podcast was, but from the research I've done, it seems like it's actually about 15% to 20% of the population that is struggling with this.

So my question is two parts. I'll just start with the first one. I've been doing the same kind of mobility warm up for like the last probably like three years, four years. It's a lot of stretching, a lot of traditional mobility, and I'm just wondering like with this pain, like what type of warm up do you guys recommend? Give me a little bit more of a definition of what you mean by traditional stride. Are you like getting it,

like give me a stretch that you're doing, and are you getting in that position and holding it? Are you moving through a range of motion and creating, you know, what, tell me? So, like, you could start with, like knee holes and then, you know, just stretching up and then maybe like downward dog, cat cow, sort of like yoga,

like mobility movements. And then some lunges. And recently I've started to shift a little bit and do stuff like more with bands, but it's more of like a yoga-based kind of stretching warm up. But I'm super mobile. Just standing here, I could literally put my hands flat on the ground. And I think that I'm wondering if I may be stretching things more and it's making pain worse. Yeah.

Okay. So hypermobility, there's a range of what would be considered hypermobile. But the kind of hypermobility that I've worked with, I worked with a woman that was quite extreme. I mean, literally she could bend her, she never stretch. She's just how she was. And it posed problems for her. She would hurt herself.

Because being very, when your mobility doesn't match your strength or your stability, it's instability. Okay. So this can go in either direction, right? You could be so, you could be very tight and not have strength to stabilize movement or at least not be able to move outside of a range of motion without any weakness and then that causes instability or you could be so mobile that your strength isn't able to support the ranges of motion that you move in. So essentially what's happening, and by the way, have you been diagnosed as hypermobile or is it self-diagnosis? Definitely self-diagnosis, but I'll show you something really gross. I don't know if you can.

But yeah, it's a thing, and I was a competitive cheerleader, like Tumblr, so there was probably some innate hypermobility and I think like all the years of just stretching and holding my leg up next to my head and whatever else probably made it worse. Okay, so here's what happens with muscles that allow them to extend is your central nervous system essentially controls the muscles's ability to stretch, and it's based off of your CNS believing what is safe and what's not safe. Okay. Now, there's sometimes up, I don't know, for lack of a term, miscommunication or misunderstanding, and the CNS is like, yeah, we could just bend all over the place,

and this is okay. And so what ends up happening is you move within range of motion, that you don't necessarily have the strength or the stability of support. And this can cause pain. This can cause injury because there's no, the governors aren't necessarily there. So first let's talk about what you shouldn't do. You should do zero static stretching. You should do zero anything that aims to increase range of motion unless that range of motion

is matched with strength and stability. If it's matched with strength and stability, it's okay. So I would do zero static stretching. In fact, I wouldn't, and this may be something that you do, I wouldn't sit in positions that are stretches for other people. It's not a goal to get to end range for you. It's a goal to gain muscle tension throughout the entire range.

So, meaning like, have you ever done any kin stretches? These are stretches where you're actually adding intensity in terms of isometric type tension. So you're squeezing your muscles all the way through that range of motion. So, actually we do have a, what's it called, your webinar that Adam did, where he actually takes you through a lot of these poses

that start out at your hips, work your way up, all the way up through the connect chain to the shoulders. So you can address a lot of these, I guess, instabilities more than anything, because really the problem isn't that you're flexible, you're obviously flexible. It's being able to have access to that and have strength in each part of that range. So that would be your focus. It's really slowed down and really connect and squeeze and try to work your way out of

these positions. Yeah, and now what I said earlier about sitting in, do you sit like Indian style or with your leg up on something, do you sit in these like weird, okay, don't do that anymore? That's very common with people with people are hyper mobile. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's really common because it probably feels good because it probably gives you some feedback and you can feel your body otherwise it feels like you're kind of loose. That's okay. I want you to sit and put yourself in positions where you're working or whatever, where

you're not in a weird position that most people wouldn't be able to get into. Okay, because sometimes in fact, children can create this position when they sit. I don't know if you've ever heard this, but they'll tell people now, don't let your kids sit in hurdle-ers position. You obviously that where they sit on the don't know if you've ever heard this, but they'll tell people now, don't let your kids sit in hurdleers position. You obviously that where they sit on the floor and their legs are bent outside of their body, like it's called a hurdleers stretch. And they'll say, don't do that.

That creates hyper mobility in the hips, right? So I don't want you to sit or put yourself in any static position where an average person would have a tough time getting into, because that's contributing to the problem. Now the second part, just then gave you the answer but I'm going to give you, and I want you to go to that webinar, it's primeprowebinar.com and watch it. But I'm going to tell you what to do with your normal workouts, okay?

And I never say this, we almost never say this to people because this is not a common situation. But to someone like you, I would never go to my full range of motion with exercises. Because your full range of motion is unstable. Like you could go way down with squats and do all kinds of crazy stuff. I would stop you. I would squat to just below 90 degrees. I would not do a stiff leg of deadlift where you could just bend yourself in half. I would stop where you think a healthy average person

can get to. I would not do a fly and let my hands touch the floor. I would stop if you were my client, I would stop you where the average healthy person could stop. So that means you're gonna have to control the stop and then come back. So you're gonna shorten your range of motion and build strength there.

And as you get stronger there and feel comfortable there, then slowly, and I mean like half an inch at a time, move into different ranges of motion, get used to that and continue until you can build strength in these full ranges of motion. Brett, do you have any of our programs already? No, I don't. Okay. So I mean, I would, Symmetetry is someone who, what I would probably start her with. I mean, Symmetry, I mean, she's getting traditional strength. I know she's doing anabolic.

I just like the isometric component from her in Symmetry to start her. And plus the emphasis on the negative too. Yes, so I like Symmetry first and then Maps Anabolic after that. So I'm going to have Doug give you Symmetry. And then when I'm going to give you his example to take, so you like symmetry first and then maps and a ball after that. So I'm gonna have Doug give you symmetry And then when I'm gonna give you an example to take so you're not like overthinking what Sal just said is Follow the model Where we're the model takes the range of motion. That's what you don't go further Just because you can what the model does and in the demo. That's what you mirror

Okay, so that it just literally fall it like that. And in symmetry is going to do it, do that watch the Prime Pro webinar, Justin's talking about, that'll compliment what we're talking about, follow map symmetry to a tee, and then follow the range of motion that the model is performing in the videos. Time under tension. So really slow it down, keep that pace really slow. So it's all about tempo for you and making sure you have that muscle connection. Yeah, so do you do yoga? Not really, not anymore. I've gotten to the point where it honestly kind of hurts or you don't need to be doing that.

First of all, thank you for the program. That's very generous. I'm super excited to try it. And especially the pain seems to be really bad on my right side on my right hip. I've actually started doing back squats with bands. And I would love to know what you guys think about that. Like not a stretchy one, more of, I feel I forget the name,

but it's like a lot of things. Like a hip circle underneath. a hip circle around your knees Yeah, yeah, yeah, what all that's doing is that's fine and what that's doing is it's helping you activate Intention some of the muscles that you need to need for stability so okay Think of it this way do not allow your muscles or body or breath To relax while you strength train. Now normally I would tell people to not be so tense, but for

you we're trying to create tension. So when you're grabbing the bar, squeeze it while you're doing it. Be aware of all the muscles in your body, maintain tension, brace your core. I want you to breathe through the back of your mouth, like a ujjayi breath they will call it in yoga, right? You want to create tension because what I would my experience with people who are hyper mobile is they'll do an exercise and it's almost like they're

Relaxing while they're doing the movement because that's what their body wants to do So you're gonna stay tight you're gonna hold on the bar and squeeze it and squeeze the muscles that are just some is gonna hit you Yeah, and you're bracing though, and if that means you only do six reps because you get exhausted, that's okay. But we're trying to create central nervous system activation and tension. Which by the way, that's why you like that hip circle around your knees. That's what it's doing. It's doing that for you. So it's not a bad thing, but also keep in mind, we're trying to get you to learn to do

that intrinsically versus having to have a tool. Because you're not gonna have a tool all day long wrapped around your knees like that. So it feels good because it's helping provide the stability and the tension that we want you to learn to do that without the tool. Learning to stay tight like Sal is saying through the movements. But again, follow symmetry, and that tension we're talking about is in the isometric portion. So you'll get the concept from that going through that. But follow those programs, watch the webinar that Justin suggested, and then just stay

in time. Let's get you in the forum, too, actually. That way we can keep an eye on you as you're going through this process. Are you on Facebook? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to have Doug give you free access to the forum too. That way you can give us feedback as you're going through it because I know this can be

a bit challenging. It is different, it is unique. We are going to tell you to shorten your range. So it's not the common stuff you'll hear us talk about. So we're going to throw you in there and then give us feedback. I hate to throw too much at you, but one good squat to focus on is the Dumpy squat. And we have a video about that as well, but it's just something that helps you really focus on how to create that kind of support system in your body and in bracing effect. Yeah, Brett, do you do cold dip or cold showers

or anything like that? Yeah, I do all the things. Good. The sauna is the coldest. Avoid the sauna. And I would, yeah, don't. The sauna is the coldest. Yeah. Avoid the sauna. And I would, yeah, don't do anything that makes the CNS relax the muscles

while you're going through this process. But the cold is good. The cold is good. So I would go cold dip or cold shower. And I would do that before the workout. OK. OK. And just to kind of recap, you're saying, I don't know if maybe the warm-ups

in the programs are already like, you know, meant for hypermobile, but I think that was kind of where I was concerned about is just going into a workout cold. Like, do you think, should I just not do any sort of stretching and just start rolling up with the stuff that's in prime pro that Justin talked about that's the type of stuff you want to do before. First and foremost. So when you watched prime pro webinar that he talked about. That'll show you what you do. That'll show you movements and you'll see I go from your ankles all the way up to your neck. So when you're doing lower body movements do the lower body type of priming movements. When you're doing upper body stuff do do the lower body type of priming movements

when you're doing upper body stuff, do the upper body. Pay attention to how he coaches it. That's the biggest point of that is the cues that I'm giving to teach you how to create tension, but that's how you warm up is doing stuff like that before you're going to, not your traditional yoga stretches. Now, worst case scenario,

you would literally do the exercise you're supposed to do and do a couple sets of that exercise with lighter weight and just stay real tense because we're trying to turn things on. Okay. The typical warm-up is like getting people to improve you know, playability, range of motion, whatever. You're like, we got to turn your CNS on. So the webinar is key, but worst case scenario, in a pinch, just do the exercise you're gonna do, do it lighter, and try and be real tense and tight while you do it. The suggestion that Justin actually gave is a really good one,

because it kinda lights up the whole body, the dumpy squat that he said. So if you send you a link to the video. Yeah, that's a cool one to kinda light everything up to. So, but again, you're gonna be in the forum, so this way you can give us feedback as you're going through what you're noticing if you're having any challenges. Just tag us when you comment in there and the guys will help you out. Okay, awesome. Well, I don't want to take up too much time, but I just did have a second

part of my question. I thought that's okay. Sure. I so kind of just felt called to move into the world of fitness and nutrition and my careers in marketing, experiential marketing, but this is kind of like where I feel like I want to go. And I'm just wondering if you guys have any recommendations for like certifications or for, you know, becoming a professional. Easy.

Yeah, NCI is the place to go. And then what's that hang tight? We got you this year. Is that NCI coaching? Dot com? Is that the link there, Doug? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, that's go there.

They're the best. I mean, they'll teach it. And but they'll also teach it. The whole business and everything. The most important part, the rest of it, you can get educated. All kinds of different ways. If you haven't already, and this is for our audience listening, anytime you're looking for the stuff that we recommend, you can go to myimpumppartners.com, NCI, and everything

else that we talk about is on there. So if you haven't scrolled through that page, check it out. You'll like all the things that we have on there, and the links are all right in there. Go to NCI-MinePump.com, they have some free resources there. Oh, there you go. NCI-MinePump. There, they have some free resources there. Oh, there you go. NCI mine per day. There it is. Awesome.

All right, Brian. Well, thank you guys. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. You got it. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, a lot of people are like, oh, flexibility.

Great. You don't get hurt. No. If it doesn't match your strength, it's actually one of the worst rates of injury. In fact, I was, I would have told her, she didn't have to say, I would have asked her, I bet it's your hip, your hip and maybe even low back, but it's almost always, if you look at hip injury rate

among yoga instructors, it's astounding. Difficult to train too, I've had, and I've had younger kids with that issue, and then also adults, but it's just, man, it's such a slow process, but it's really, our next caller is Meg Delini from Illinois. Meg Delini, how can we help you? Love your name, buddy.

Hi. Oh, thank you. I love you guys. I love your podcast. I'm sure you get that all the time. So I guess I'll just get into my question. So I just finished anabolic for the first time, and I don't really feel like I gained any strength.

So generally I don't feel like I'm very strong and I kind of ended up finishing the program with the same amount of weights that I began with, particularly like my squat, my deadlift, my bench cross, and I'm just really not sure how to get stronger in the gym. Did you do it in a diet? In a diet like... Were you eating less calories? Were you trying to lean out? Where you... So I generally don't really count my calories. I didn't really change anything in my diet, so I'm guessing my calories are probably a little bit on the lower side to begin with. So the other thing is too, and maps in a ball it has three phases. So the first phase is low reps and then you kind of moderate reps and then at the end it's high reps just to kind of summarize. Did you or did you add reps to the way or was it the same weight, same reps that you tested

like any little context? Um, so I basically follow the program the way it's mapped out and I try to add a little bit of weight, but I really feel like either I couldn't do it or I was just kind of afraid to add more weight because I don't I'm not always confident that my form is 100% on point. So I don't want to put on too much weight for fear that I might injure myself. Sure. Okay, but did you do the same, like when you started with the program, you had let's say X amount of pounds on the bar for a squat. And the first phase tells you to do let's

say up to five reps. Then the second phase tells you to go eight to 12 and the third phase is like 15 to 20. Did you use the same weight in every phase or did you lower the weight when you went to 8 to 10 reps? No, I pretty much use the same weight. You got a lot stronger, a lot stronger. If you did more reps, that means you're stronger. Yeah, yeah. So if I did, let me say this, if I did 100 reps, that's like really good. That's incredible.

If I did, let's say I did 100 pounds for five reps and phase one, and then phase two, I did 100 pounds for 10 reps, and then phase three, I did 100 pounds for 15 reps, your strength exploded. Yeah, big time. Okay. In fact, in the way you know,

it has to go back to phase one and see if you can add, say 10 to 15 pounds of the bar bar and you will be able to. I would not even know for a fact. If you went, say, would you say, 100 pounds? You use the same weight all the way through. You got strong. Way strong. Yeah. Nobody does that. Is this your first kind of foray into strength training like this? So I've been lifting, I'm using this kind of sleep weight for at least the past 10 years, sometimes with personal trainers other times on my own, but never really focused on with the exception of one personal trainer that I worked with and never really focused on

like bench press, deadlift, squats, it was mostly like kind of dumbbell work. This is really the first time I've actually been trying to get better at like my squat and my deadlift. Yeah. You did it totally different. And I've never really done a cut or a bulk. So I just kind of, my diet, is it? I'm not a professional.

You're okay, it's just part of it, but not huge. There's a difference between training with weights and strength training. Training with weights means I'm using weights. I can use weights a million and one different ways. I could do cardio with weights. I could do flexibility training with weights. Strength training doesn't even require weights. I could do that with body weight.

I could do that with bands. But the idea behind strength training is to get stronger and to build muscle. Training with weights just means I'm trying to sweat and work out. So it sounds like this is relatively new in the sense that you're where you're doing more of a focused like strength training session. And strength is your stronger if you do more weight for the same reps, or if you do more reps with the same weight, both of them mean you got a lot stronger.

So if you use the same weight from the beginning to the end, that's a waste of it. Your strength gains went up a lot. Now, to touch on the diet, Magdalena, I don't, you know, we don't need to go crazy with diet, but I just checked a protein. That's it. Just checked a protein.

Try and hit your body weight and protein and and that what just needs the building material. That'll turbo charge it all. Yeah. That's like part of the problem too. Like I'm probably getting I know I'm not getting enough protein. It's probably like 50 grams a day. Yeah. Yeah. You if you got your protein, you go through that program again. I mean, first of all, you already had tremendous results. I just want to make that clear. Like someone to, if I go through that program, I cannot do the way that I'm doing in phase one, I have to reduce the weight significantly

by the time I get to phase three. That's it, because that's just how it works. That's tremendous strength gains. And if you did that in spite of like, even hitting your protein intake, you hit your protein intake consistently, and you go through that that program again and I think you're going to see even more gains. Yeah, and don't feel like, honestly, this is pretty common in terms of like the intention

going into each one of these phases. I think a lot of my clients, especially two and women, would pick weights that they normally feel comfortable with. And so this is one of those things. We need to drop the amount of reps that you're doing. This is a completely different type of a focus in place you need to get into psychologically to where you have to put a lot more force and effort

into when you start loading, it's substantial about more weight. So I could see how that didn't feel like as you're moving along, like the reps, you're probably more used to doing more reps than you are less reps. Yeah, Magdalene, how much, if you don't want me asking, what's your body weight?

I try not to worry myself, but the last time I went to the doctor, it was like 120 pounds. Okay, if you ate 100 grams of protein a day, okay. So let's go, let's say 33 to 35 grams of protein for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Prioritize that, okay. If you did that and you followed MAP's enabolic, again, you're going to see significant changes in body composition. Like you're going to get leaner and more sculpted. Your body weight might not even change on the scale,

but you're gonna look in the mirror and be like, holy cow, what's going on? And the strength gains are gonna be phenomenal. But by the way, your strength gains were phenomenal. They were. Yeah. Nobody goes from sets of five reps to sets of 15 reps and keeps the same weight

unless they're doing just phenomenal strength gains. That's just crazy. But if you, if you hit about 100 grams of protein a day, every day consistently, follow maps and a ball like again, you're gonna, it's gonna blow yourself away. Yeah, let's talk about what you were doing 15 reps. Okay, so your squat, how much weight was on the bar, on the end of the program?

What, like, obviously it was the same all the way through. So what were you using to squat? So total was probably 100 pounds. Okay. Yeah, you easily could go to 135. Holy shit, 100 pounds at a body weight of 120. Yeah, that's a 15 reps. It's strong.

That's actually really good. You're doing great. You should easily be out. When you get back to phase one again, easily go to 135. So the 45's on each side. Here's what we're going gonna do, Magdalene, because what you need is a little coaching, because I can hear the confusion or the uncertainty

in the way you're asking the question. I'm gonna put you in our forum, and if you don't mind video taping yourself doing some of these exercises, video tape the whole set, right? So however many reps you do video tape the whole thing, then put it in there, and you could tag us or not, we have a lot of good trainers in that forum,

and just say, hey, how does my technique look? Should I add more weight? Is this the right weight? And get some feedback and then use that forum as a way to coach you so that you build a little bit of confidence in certainty with this type of training. But I mean, geez, if you were a potential client and you came to me with what you just said. Oh, I'd be so excited.

Oh, I'd be rubbing my hands together. Like, oh, boy, it's going to be amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on this person. I guess I just don't feel like it really got stronger because I don't feel like it's like visible on my body. So, and I guess that is more takes time. Yes. And that also plays more of a role than diet too. So what you gained was the

benefits of your your CNS and the ability for you to summon the strength to lift away. You definitely gained strength. That's for sure. You might not have added a lot of muscle to your body from it because we didn't hit our protein intake. If you're low calorie and not hitting protein, you can still get stronger, especially for somebody who's really just getting into these movements, and that's what you experience. The reason why you're not seeing it visually has it out to do with the diet. And so that's why we gave that advice of like, let's not worry too much about a bunch of things, just hit the protein intake. If you consistently hit 100 grams every day while going through

this program again, you'll see a difference. I promise you'll see a difference. Let me ask you this too, Meg Delini. You're close friends or people that you trust, very close to you. Do they ever say things to you like, oh my God, what are you talking about? You look amazing or, I mean, this looks great. Do you ever have that discrepancy where you say,

I don't look good and they say, ah, you look phenomenal. Does that ever happen to you? Yeah, but I guess I'm my own worst critic. Yeah, I don't really feel like I look good enough for strong enough. So yeah, and I feel it like especially in my shirts, they feel like tight across my back. Yeah. So and here's why I'm saying that, Magdalene, you don't weigh yourself. And that tells me that it's probably a little triggering to weigh yourself.

The looking in the mirror is subjective. Okay, so I haven't worked with you. I don't know you very well. I'm just gonna have a hunch here. Just have worked with a lot of people. I don't think you should trust what you think you see in the mirror. Honest to God.

I think you should just base it off of your performance in the gym, hitting those targets, and kind of ignoring your own self-judgment because I would bet a lot of money that if I worked with you and you used the same weight that you did five reps and you did 15 reps that you would look different. That's, I mean, 100 pounds is not a little bit of weight for someone who weighs 120 pounds. That's pretty good.

I bet you look different. I think you're probably looking through a filter that's a little distorted and you might already have recognized that. So I would use the bar and the jam and how much you're lifting and how it feels more as a judgment than the mirror because you probably can't trust your subjective opinion too much, not at this point at least. Okay, so your suggestion is to go through anabolic again. Yes. And then after that, do you have a suggestion in this, to which program I should do? Performance.

Yeah, performance would be probably the best thing. Performance would be next. But I want you in the forum. I want you to get some feedback from the people in there. Okay. Yes. Great. Thank you. You got it.

Thanks for calling in. Thanks guys. No problem. Yeah. Boy, you know, I tell you what, the experience. Very close call. This is only not getting results from anabolic. Yeah.

It's just debunked. You know what? You know what? If we didn't have the experience that we had, because I want people to understand coaches in particular for listening, we asked the questions we did because of our experience, because a lot of people would have taken that at face value. Oh, you think it's stronger? Yeah. Let's figure out what the problem was. But I knew, I thought, are you doing the same weight throughout the whole program?

Like, she is judging it by the weight on the bar and not realizing that doing more reps means you're stronger. That's a lot stronger. That's a crazy strength. She made crazy gains. That's a lot stronger. That's a crazy strength. She made crazy gains. That's crazy strength. I mean, she should be able to come back now and easily put 135 on the bar for five. Yeah.

If you were doing a hundred pounds for 15, I got you doing 135 or five easily. There'll be a little, like, it'll be a psychological battle. Total nerve. So her just feeling that way is gonna be great. Yeah, but so that would be half the work is just to get her comfortable. Yeah, in fact, I go up to 110. Well, make her comfortable. There is that possibility that

she chose the weight she could do for 15. And that's why she feels that way too. It's hard for sure. She's used to doing more circuit base training and that's a weight she feels very very comfortable. She can do that. She can do 15, which would also play into why she doesn't feel that much stronger and maybe look at I do want to add. I know you said that she's not her best critic, but I'm always careful that because I know what it's like to be like certain. I know I don't see like right. And nutrition plays such a huge role in what you see in the mirror. And if you're living in a caloric deficit a lot of times,

and the body building you hear is called the flat look. She's not filled all the way out. That will make you look like you're not building muscle. I mean, I'm literally going through this with one of my old clients in mind, I'm helping her with her diet getting lean right now. And she's like so discouraged. And I'm like, I can see it.

I said, you're flat. That's why I said, if I were to give you a 500 calories surplus, the next two days, you would look totally different. And it's not like I built a bunch of muscle in two days. It's just that I filled you out. And so there's a major psychological component when you talk about what I look like in the mirror. And you can't just judge that.

And there's the other clue. She's like, I feel like my shirts are tied around my shoulders. Yeah. Okay. He sounds like you built some muscles. So, that's a little bit of a hassle. Absolutely. Yeah. Look, if you love the show, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides.

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