Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2164: The Truth About Becoming Muscle Bound, Ways to Fix Front Shoulder Pain, the Pros & Cons of Training Barefoot & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Do you suffer from fatigue, brain fog, light headedness reduced athletic performance, flat muscles, headaches. Do you suffer from all those? Well, you probably think you're dehydrated. So you're already drinking a lot of water. What the hell is going on? Well, here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:01:54 You might need to increase salt. Without enough sodium, here's what happens when you drink a lot of water. It goes right through you. If you're drinking a lot of water and it's not solving those problems and you're confused, you're thinking yourself, I can't possibly be dehydrated. I'm drinking so much water. It's because the water is not getting into your cells and salt is essential for that. So look at your diet, look at your sodium intake, especially if you work out hard, you might need to increase your sodium intake, try it, see what happens. I'm glad you brought up flat muscles. I think we said something on an episode recently, and I actually got some messages in regards to like what that means. And so maybe go into a little bit more detail

Starting point is 00:02:38 on what we mean by flat muscles or a flat look that you get. Well, muscles are 70% fluid, okay? So, if they're not, if they don't have enough fluid in them, and fluid in the muscle is not bloated, so people confuse it to bloat is outside the muscle under the skin. You want well hydrated muscles. Well hydrated muscles contract better, perform better, recover faster, they look more full and sculpted. It's a good thing.

Starting point is 00:03:09 You want well hydrated muscles. If they're not hydrated, they're going to look smaller, flabier. So, this is the thing. If your muscles are flat, you actually look like you have higher body fat. Bodybuilders know this, right? You look like your muscles aren't as developed, you don't look as lean. And then when you work out, you just don't feel as connected to the exercise. And if you're somebody that likes the pump, you just don't get the pump. And this can feel like you're going backwards. It can feel like you're losing muscle.

Starting point is 00:03:33 It can feel like you're gaining body fat. When in reality, your muscles just aren't, they just don't have as much fluid in them as they might have had before or as much as they could have. And this is, bodybuilders understand this very well, by the way. They play this game exceptionally well before they get on stage because it makes a huge difference. I'm actually going to challenge that a little bit. This was one of the things that I was so surprised that bodybuilders didn't know very well. Well, they know about it is what I mean. Yeah. And so they actually pull water going into a show. Like the day of a show, they have

Starting point is 00:04:03 no water. Yeah. Which I thought was so interesting that they would do that. And they're looking to pull like all the water out so their skin looks like paper thin. But then you do that and you also obviously pull it out of the muscles. And so, you know, if you're a competitor and you're listening to this and you've got a coach who completely pulls water, you know, and the kind of a standard look to that would be, you know, depending on what they let up to their peak, the three days going into showtime, they go from like a gallon to three quarters to a half to a quarter to nothing on a show day.

Starting point is 00:04:40 Maybe they're getting to sip a tiny bit. And it's not smart, it's crazy. It's, now I do think there's some validity to trying to pull all that out so you get that like kind of subcutaneous water that you get to where you have, and that's what they're trying to do. It's a balancing act, right? It is a balancing act.

Starting point is 00:05:00 So you do want to reduce some water to get that or pull it and then reintroduce it because that's part of what fills the muscle belly's back out and gives you this full look and so I was surprised on how many coaches and bodybuilders actually do and now you might ask like well they look amazing Well, yeah, they're 2% body fat. so even flat muscles that 2% is going to look defined. Yeah, but what they understand, what bodybuilders know is that this is an important part of their appearance on stage. And a bodybuilder can go from first place to fifth place

Starting point is 00:05:36 or tenth place. Just off of water. Just off of this because it makes up so much of your muscle bellies and how you look. And then if there's been extreme cases, now of course, we're talking about pro bodybuilding now, so the average person isn't gonna connect it. They are though, and I will make that connection. That's why I like to talk about this.

Starting point is 00:05:51 I know it's because the biggest takeaway that I had from this experience for me had nothing to do with bodybuilding, and everything to do with learning to connect with my clients that went, and we've all heard this. Or this, they all goes up for just, yeah. We've all heard this. Where, we've all heard this. Where you've got a client, they're doing perfect

Starting point is 00:06:07 on their diet, they're training with you consistently and they swear that they are like, I look puffier or I look, or the scale has actually gone up a pound or two and they're discouraged because of what they see in the reflection of the mirror and or what they see on the scale and because of my they see in the reflection of the mirror and or what they see on the scale. And because of my experience in that and recognizing how much you can manipulate water away extreme version and then you can apply it to the regular like you can scale that back

Starting point is 00:06:37 down. The same thing with like weight cuts like the dramatic weight cuts that you'll see where fighters will do basically everything they can to sweat it all out. And so too, the dangers of both of those things, right? And back in the day, they used to do the distilled water and do that where they even rip out salt and all that. Like, are they dangerous?

Starting point is 00:06:56 They do some dumb thing. That's crazy to do that still, yeah. Yeah, what I was gonna say about the bodybuilders, some of them had died on stage or the seized up. It was, because of that. Because on stage or the seized up. Right. Because of that. Because of this. But for the average person, a lot of people don't know this, but for your cells to utilize

Starting point is 00:07:13 water and fluid, they need the electrolytes. Sodium is one of the most important parts. Without it, the water not only doesn't get absorbed in the cell, it actually will dehydrate you. So, if you had zero sodium and drank a ton of distilled water, which has no minerals in it, what's what you'll die? It's dangerous. So, this is very important. And now, I remember the first time this happened to me, not to be person, but to a client. I had a client who went from a heavily processed diet to whole natural foods, which already, and at the time I didn't fully understand this, okay.

Starting point is 00:07:47 But now I know this, a heavily processed food diet is always very high in sodium. Sodium is always high in heavily processed foods because sodium is a integral part in palatability. They know this, it's salt, sugar, fat. Those are three main ingredients, and there's lots of chemicals into the things they do. But those are three ingredients in making something palatable. And sodium is easy to add, doesn't change the calories. People don't typically freak out if something's high sodium

Starting point is 00:08:10 is like they would if it was fat or sugar, although some people do. But though everything's high sodium when it's heavily processed, and if you go from that to whole natural foods, you've already, even if you salt your food, dramatically reduced your sodium. So I used to train this woman. She went from heavily processed to whole and natural

Starting point is 00:08:29 and then she started getting muscle cramps and headaches and these were all the signs of dehydration. So what did she do? I'm dehydrated. I'm gonna drink more water and then I'm still getting these problems. I'm gonna drink more water. She was drinking up to a gallon a day.

Starting point is 00:08:43 She was peeing all day long, couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. And thankfully, I had somebody in my studio who was much smarter than I was on this. This was a wellness individual, wellness expert. And she could hear us talking in the background. It was a small studio. And she said, hey, do you mind if I, if I chime in? And I'm like, no, of course, I'd love like what do you think is going on? She goes, you, she needs more sodium. I'm like sodium no, of course, I'd love like what do you think is going on? She goes You she needs more sodium. I'm like sodium. She goes your cells need sodium and magnesium In order to especially the sodium part. This is the part that you know she realized was the problem To pull the water into the cells without that

Starting point is 00:09:18 It's you're drinking all this water and you're not getting much of it at all Literally within the workout. Okay. I went in the back because I used to have a little kitchen in the back where I would eat, you know, in between clients. I had some Himalayan pink salt and I gave her a teaspoon of it with some water. It's a lot of salt, right? So she's like choking it down, drink it. Within 15 minutes, she's like,

Starting point is 00:09:36 I feel way different within 15 minutes. It was crazy. That was the first time I realized like, oh, just drinking a lot more water or you know that it doesn't necessarily Fix the problem if your sodium is inadequate and if you sweat and you work out and you don't need a lot of processed foods You're probably gonna want to add sodium to your diet more than just the salt on your chicken breast I went through that same process with athletes. I was training and even myself where it was like you You feel like you're doing everything dialed in and perfect too because now you're adjusting I mean even just getting an athlete to look into their their nutrition and to kind of get more in the whole food side of things and

Starting point is 00:10:18 Then also to be well hydrated because you know having having dry ligaments and having things like that like is hydrated because having dry ligaments and having things like that, like that's alarming. That's something that you don't want that. You want that in that way. That's a great idea. So that's one of those things that sticks out as a potential harm.

Starting point is 00:10:34 So to be able to now add in electrolytes or pinch of salt, like that was game changer for athletes that kept having over and over again cramps and issues while they're sprinting. And so, I saw an immediate effect of that. I can't tell you how many family members and friends that I've had that have expressed to me,

Starting point is 00:10:53 like I've talked about the health benefits of the sauna before. And they've told me, oh, they don't like doing the sauna because they always get headaches from it. They're like healthy people. And I'm like, how much sodium are you in taking? I don't know, they don't really track. Oh, I eat healthy. So they're like, so that they assume

Starting point is 00:11:08 because they make good food choices. Nobody knows. That they're not concerned or worried about that. I'm like, you know, it's even more important because you eat healthy. You don't eat a lot of processed foods. You work out in exercise, you run, you do all these things. And then in addition, that you go do a sauna

Starting point is 00:11:21 and you get these massive headaches from it. And I tell them like next time just use a packet of the element before or during while you're doing that and what a difference. And it's like literally solves the problem. My dad, my dad loves the sauna. He loves sauna in steam room and he goes, I can't do it for too long. And I'm like, what do you mean he goes, why can't stay in there for a long time? He goes, but then I'm like, he goes, I'm so groggy,

Starting point is 00:11:42 and tired and low energy for the rest of the day, and even sometimes the next day. So, he had, I had seen him the other day because he came over to, to fix something, and he's very good with, you know, fixing things and stuff like that. I'm not. So, hey, Dad, come help me, whatever, so he comes over,

Starting point is 00:11:57 and he had just come from the gym. And he's like, oh, I'm like, how you doing? He's like, I feel tired. I'm like, what happened? He goes, I did the sauna for 35 minutes, and he goes, sometimes it just kills me. I'm like, that here, and I give him element. I'm like, drink this. I said, if you feel better in the next 10 minutes, it's because the reason why that happens is because you're so young. He drank it 10 minutes later. He's like, what did you give me? I'm like, literally, like, it's magnesium

Starting point is 00:12:20 potassium, but mostly salt. He's like, salt. Yeah, dude, that's all it is. Yeah, it's crazy. By the way, element is the highest ranked product that we promote in our forum. Oh, really? Yeah, I forgot who did it. I think Helen did it in the forum. She said, what are your favorite products, responders that work with Mind Pump? Element was the winner. Now, there's a self-selection bias in our forum because these are all fitness and health people. So they all avoid heavily processed foods, but it was the one that everybody said that was probably one of those things like we say it was overlooked because you think you're doing everything right. It's one of the most consistent ones that I hear even outside of our forum. It's up there. If it's not the number one, it's top I'd say like the least

Starting point is 00:13:01 top three for sure. So I was gonna add, so I wanna bring the stuff so I thought that was just funny. So on our Instagram, once a week that we do the day in the life, it's once a week, right? Once a week. So we get on there once a week, one of us. So it will be me or Adam or Justin or Doug,

Starting point is 00:13:17 and we do what's called a day in the life. And we just show what we're doing throughout the day, maybe what we're eating or what we do in the morning, workout, just literally do in the morning, work out, just literally day in the life. And those get the most views out of any story we do on the Instagram. And we all don't like doing it

Starting point is 00:13:32 because we're not super social media guys. It's not like, hey, look what I'm, it's like kind of like annoying, but we do it. People love it. We communicate with people fine. So Adam came up with this great idea where our staff members would also do one throughout the week so people could see like what our assistant does,

Starting point is 00:13:50 whatever, and so we're in the meeting. And Adam's wife was here and he goes, yeah honey, you're gonna do this too. She's like, I'm not doing it. I'm like this is gonna be great. This is gonna be great. I'm gonna be the assistant. She works with us.

Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm like, oh, this is gonna be good dude. She's gonna be the most resistant for sure. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you gotta tell what time it is. There's a few people I make that could have a hard time. I can't wait, it's gonna be the biggest, I'm preparing myself for the battle on and how this goes. And so, I mean, I hope I get her to, there's a lot of people that are, are really cute.

Starting point is 00:14:22 I mean, I would, what really prompted this, I don't know who I was talking to. I was talking to somebody about the business. So she hates social meaning. Oh, yeah. She doesn't have it. She's never been on. No, she's not on anything. She's not anything. She hasn't, but she hasn't been on anything since like my space days. Like, oh my God. Yeah. And she did that for a minute. And then Facebook was new. She did face. She told, she, like, this is all pre-me. So this is over 13 years ago. Right. So, and I, because I've asked her before, I did Facebook, she told, this is all pre-me, so this is over 13 years ago. Right, so,

Starting point is 00:14:46 and because I've asked her before, I'm like, you know, you have no social media, like what, this was back when I was first finding this a lot. She goes, yeah, you know, I had a Facebook and a Myspace a little bit, and she goes, and then I'd shut it off, and then I'd turn it back on, I'd shut off,

Starting point is 00:15:00 and I was like, well, why would you shut it off? She's like, you know, it always caused some sort of drama. There was always, it always resulted in jealousy or some sort of like, you know, talking behind people's backs. So she goes, I just recognized that, you know, a lot of drama was connected with it. And I just didn't want to, and then I would shut it off.

Starting point is 00:15:21 And then people would be like, oh, I can't connect to you. And then your family and so she goes, then I turn it back on and then it would lead to another scenario like that. And she goes, I just, I just find it toxic. And so I don't want in my life. And so I made a decision, this book, you said before me, we're 13 years. So this is 14, 15 years ago, she had made that decision.

Starting point is 00:15:38 And it has been. And so she is like super anti being on it whenever, if anyone's ever noticed when I'm ever doing like stories like when I it is my day in the life Like she would normally like bolt out the room. Yeah, she sees me do this Yeah, yeah, she'll she'll cut out or she'll turn or yeah, so she does not like to be on it and I love that right? So I don't and I hate to be like want wanna be like, forcer to be on it. But I would, where this started, it was actually Jordan's side. I was talking to Jordan's side.

Starting point is 00:16:10 We caught up with him. He came into town to visit us and he shows coming up soon with him. And we were just catching up. It's been years since he was here. And he was asking about the how many employees. And he was just like, oh my God, I had no idea. You guys have that many people working for the company. I'm like, yeah, you know what, that's funny.

Starting point is 00:16:27 I get that a lot and we tended like drop names in conversation on here and I get DMs all the time. Like, who's, who's Dylan? Who's Jerry? Who's like people are always at? So, I don't know. I think that I, I think it'd be great. I think if I was on the other side,

Starting point is 00:16:42 I would be curious about. I'm also interested to see how they, what they show. Yeah, I want to'd be great. I think if I was on the other side, I would be curious about. I'm also interested to see how they, what they show. Yeah, and see their perspective. Because we're super like, like if you're, especially if you're doing it and you're being humorous and even if you want to poke fun at us or talk about, we love it.

Starting point is 00:16:55 Like we're not like, we definitely can handle it. We're not insecure. Yeah, we love it. Like go for it. Have a good time and we all laugh about it and stuff. Yeah, so the audience can look forward to that. We're gonna roll it out soon.

Starting point is 00:17:04 So how are you gonna convince her? Paul. We're going to roll it out soon. How are you going to convince her? Paul, you're going to threaten her with her pay. Probably. I mean, that's my, that's my, that's my ace in the whole fight. Are you going to have to? Are you going home? I'm, this is the call we're doing. No, no, I'll try sweet.

Starting point is 00:17:18 I'll do sweet first. Always like, hey, honey, you know, just everybody else is going to do it. You know, you can't have you the only one who's not. It'll look bad. And, you know, you're a team player. I'll go that angle. And then I'll be like, well, you know, I guess we could reduce your pay by 25%.

Starting point is 00:17:32 And that way. So we'll see. We'll see how this goes. I mean, I hope I hope I could get her. I know we were in the meeting. You said that's like, nope, not doing it. I'm like, let's be great. Great.

Starting point is 00:17:44 I get to know. I love it. We'll see how that goes. I pray, A. Listen, that's a he said that she's like, nope, not doing it. I'm like, let's do a great conference. Great idea, no. I love it, I love it. We'll see how that goes. I pray, listen, that's a cool thing that she, I mean, Jessica was on there, she built her business and then, you know, as a kid, she was on there, you know, she's younger than I am. But then she went off and now she's going back on a little bit, but she went off for the same reason.

Starting point is 00:18:00 She's like, it's just, it was not a value ad to my life, it was a minus. It took away from my life. I mean, it was actually something we shared in common. So, I wasn't either. So you went on those business, I literally turned YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram on all in the same week, all with the intent to build a business. I had no, I knew, I had no idea what I was doing at all, or what it was gonna look like.

Starting point is 00:18:27 I didn't know that we would all get together one day, but I literally only, I had my space, and I had my space for a short period of time. I wonder if, does it still there? We found yours a while ago. Well, yeah, it was just, it wasn't like my personal, it was like my band, just because can you look us up, Doug?

Starting point is 00:18:43 Look up, my space Adam Schaeffer, I don't know. don't know if it's still it's still a thing like I think a question that wasn't funny but the jenny's interacting on the music playing in the background yeah I did I had like a matter of fact I remember I think it was trapped Justin knows that is yeah so a hard rock band so that was your song yeah I think that's why I liked it that's cool because you could do that I liked it because of the yeah the music because it tied you a lot more to Underground music. Yeah, people are sharing stuff, but yeah, Tom never did us wrong That guy was solid didn't sell our shit Broker whatever like that what happened to him. Do you know? Do you know his Andrew?

Starting point is 00:19:21 You know his I don't know his story. Yeah, I was reading article on him. I'm a tropical cop. But basically, I know he sold a ton, like millions of it. Oh, he did make me. He just went off and just off to Gritman's go live. He was just like peace. He was always stayed off social media. Yeah. Wasn't he the first friend you would get when you did?

Starting point is 00:19:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I'm going to ask. That's why I'm going to ask. Because everybody's been, Tom's been his, their friend, you know what I'm saying? Like, so everybody can probably recognize that photo of him that, so he's, Okay, okay, okay, so he sold for $580 million.

Starting point is 00:19:52 Wow. Before retiring 2009, now 47 years old, living out his dreams in Hawaii as a travel photographer. Oh, that's great story. And I would love to get him. Wouldn't that be a fun interview? That would be a real fun interview. He probably hides.

Starting point is 00:20:07 He probably don't want to. Send what you got over to Courtney. And he's got his ass on the show. And Katrina and see what they can do. That would be a really cool. Bro, this was social media. Before social media became a tool of the frickin, the machine of the propaganda and crap.

Starting point is 00:20:26 I was all pure. I mean, how cool is that that the guy who was a partner to go over and starting it, cached out and then just disappeared? No, no desire. I'm sure he's 40 something years old now. I'm sure he would have a problem finding a wife with a family. Of course, but I'm sure he's doing all right. I wonder if he can travel in the world with a camera.

Starting point is 00:20:44 I wonder if he gets recognized. I wonder if he can travel in the world with a camera. Boy, I think he's, I think he's, I wonder if he gets recognized. I can get attention. I doubt it actually. I mean, I guess that he does have that face. I know what I can picture the, right now the picture.

Starting point is 00:20:54 I wouldn't be on the white shirt. And I know, he's, but I can't. If I saw that photo, I would obviously recognize the photo, but I feel like I could be in line with him and not know who he is at that. I mean, he's got to be off all social media, otherwise people would know what's going on. You probably anti. Yeah, that would be very interesting. I mean, he's got to be off all social media, otherwise people would know what's going on. You probably anti.

Starting point is 00:21:06 Yeah. That would be very interesting. Yeah, I think that's cool. Yeah, cool. Dude, you know what, I learned the other day, Justin, I thought of you when I saw this because you like this kind of stuff. Do you know that there are tribes that use,

Starting point is 00:21:18 they use an insect to sew up cuts like sutures? Do you wanna know what they use? An insect? Yeah. Like, is know what they use? An insect? Yeah. Like, is it like an extraction from the insect? No. There's the actual insect. They use armeants. So if they have a big cut,

Starting point is 00:21:33 they'll put the armeants because they bite down to like suture. They're mandibles over the cut. The mandibles are squeezed together because they pop the armeant off and then they'll pull the kill the ant take off the head What or take off the body and the little head is there pictures keep pinching the whole time and it keeps yeah Look it up. I want to see that army ants

Starting point is 00:21:54 For wounds or for or as sutures. I saw this the other day on social media. That's wild so smart Yeah, dude, so these are like they have a cut. They want it to heal. Look at that Look at the finger of that guy's finger. It actually looks like stitches. It does isn't that like so I find that so cool and I Low-tech like culture or whatever like but you find ways to Solve a lot of these problems. Yeah, this can really great solution Bro, that has to be like a serious bite though to actually hold skin together Oh, yeah, look at one over there on the top left. Look at those mandibles.

Starting point is 00:22:27 They're there no joke and they're organic. I could solve it. It dissolves eventually, right? I think so. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Do you? Okay. So okay, that to, I mean, tweezers and then you put it right in place and it's got a bite just right. No, you don't tweez anything. The mandibles are wide. It clamps down from, you know, but you have to cut its head off. After a bite. It pulls body up. You pull it off.

Starting point is 00:22:49 It bites down. And it's holding on. And it quits that, yeah. It doesn't really, yeah, because, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like that contraction that still happens like even after people die. So, so, the two things that could possibly help you survive if you're ever in a situation.

Starting point is 00:23:05 That's one. Here's another one. And I learned this from this old surgeon that I used to train. So I used to train this surgeon. Well, glue, like super glue is another. Yeah, that was my dad. My dad, my stepdad. Every construction. Every construction.

Starting point is 00:23:17 The car shock dude. Super glue. My dad used to do that. I can't be good. I did that a few times when I cut my fingers for like playing at his show because I don't know. I was playing and a few times when I cut my fingers for like playing in your show, cause like I don't know, I was playing and I had the slice and I was like,

Starting point is 00:23:28 oh no, I have to like perform it and I sleep super with it. Yeah, that's every construct. Super glue toilet paper and then duct tape. That was like the movie. That's it, that's it. Why is that everybody super reinforced? Yeah, my dad, you know, my dad did it a couple times a week. I cut my hand helping him whenever he's a kid.

Starting point is 00:23:43 He'd take dry cement powder. But oh, man. God, it would just work. Okay. I felt like a badass though, you know. Like 12 years old. Yeah. Check this out.

Starting point is 00:23:54 So anyway, so I learned this from an old surgeon. I used to train the surgeon. He was just about to retire. So people need to, and he would, I would hear stories about him and I'd hear him tell me stories. And what people don't know is that surgeons, if you go back 40 years, because he was, let me see, he was already in his 60s.

Starting point is 00:24:13 So I think he'd been already practicing for 30s, something more 40 years. Back in the day, surgeon was God. Like you walk in the hospital, they're kind of like that now, but back then it was really like they call shots, they could do whatever they want, you do what they say. The training was crazy. He said he, when he was in training, he would tell me stories where he was in the ER and then this guy blood was sporting everywhere and he was a kid and he was like freaked out because he's trying

Starting point is 00:24:37 to help him and he's like this other old surgeon is like slap them and like fixed it real quick and like you know scolded him. He's like it was hardcore anyway. He said if you're ever in in in nature And you get a cut and it starts to get infected he goes the best way to clean it You want to know what it is? Pea on it maggots. Oh maggots. Yeah, they love eating dead skin You put maggots on a wound and maggots will only eat dead flesh It will he says it will clean the wound better than any doctor that you could imagine. You put maggots on it, cleans the whole thing out and you're fine. How crazy is that? It's okay. It's better than anything that we have. That's what he said. I don't know

Starting point is 00:25:14 if he's being like, you know, like he was, like, I'm ready. Yeah. But he said, he said, if you're in eight, if you're out in nature and you have a cut and you like, oh, that might not be good. Matt, you get some maggots on there. He goes, it'll take care of the problem. Isn't that crazy? The power of maggots. If it was that powerful, you think we would use that still.

Starting point is 00:25:31 It's, I mean, as gross as it is. It's a success if you really think we would. If it's more effective. Yeah, how much profit you make off of maggots? Well, I mean, yeah. And people tend to get a little comfortable with that. maggots can also be used. maggots therapy involves use of maggots

Starting point is 00:25:45 of the green bottle fly. To re-slotting, what is re-slotting? I think that does. I don't know, re-slotting. It's re-slotting. But look what it says there, to remove necrotic slothy and or infected tissue. I think that's tissue that's about to become necrotic

Starting point is 00:26:02 or is already dead, but not yet. I don't know. I'm guessing Yeah yellow white tissue as it's healing it looks pretty nasty. I'm not gonna show you guys So it's when it's all infected and pussy looking. Yeah, but why do you think they wouldn't use maggots first off Patients probably don't want it. Yeah, I'm sure you don't want to go to the doctor They're gonna put maggots on and number two What are the what are the profit margins on maggots? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, go outside and get mine. Yeah, and how long does it take, you know,

Starting point is 00:26:31 that terrible that we choose to not do things that are more effective. I mean, that's so, it's- I don't know if it's more effective though, I bet. Yeah, that's so effective. We found something that is easier and, you know, relatively inexpensive and more effective than it makes sense. But if it's still proven to be better,

Starting point is 00:26:48 it'd be weird to not. These are all like good like MacGyver survival. Toad A, speaking of... Stick a gum and foil. Speaking of good, of interesting information, how is reading these conspiracy theories on movies where you know, a little say like, like there's an alternate theory and it kind of makes sense when you know, it'll say like, like, there's an alternate

Starting point is 00:27:05 theory and it kind of makes sense when you think about it. And I read one about John Wick that blew my mind. So you guys have seen John Wick, really, yeah, movie. They said the theory was that John Wick is Neo if he swallowed the blue pill. Whoa. Is that crazy? So he never swallowed the red piece, the blue pill. And then that's Neo in the Matrix. Not knowing. Kind of makes sense, right? Yeah. I don't know if I get that. Remember when he could swallow the pill?

Starting point is 00:27:29 No, of course I know the red pill, blue pill, whole decision to be like aware of the matrix or not aware of the matrix, but how is that making he sort of, because he's a badass still, you know, he's still fighting and being a badass. Don't ruin this animal. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:27:39 I mean, I just like, You get poke holes in it. I like the concept. Yeah, I just, it's like, I mean, it could be a million things. You could probably say that about as any other movie, I don't know, I don't know. My favorite thing about the John Wick series is what somebody created like this running tally of kills.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah. And it's you, you just like are stacking bodies, dude. I mean, it, from the first film to what is up to like four now. Yeah. And it just keeps increasing. How many kills is there? People even realize like how many kills, I don't know, I have to look it up. Like what the actual total is now,

Starting point is 00:28:13 but it was just like, it's actually good. I love it, man. I hate it when movies that are bullshit try to be too realistic. Yeah, it doesn't, cause they don't pretend. Yeah, it doesn't, I appreciate that too. I think a movie that is is 80 or 90% very realistic and then it has this small percent for 39. That's so many. It went up to look.

Starting point is 00:28:36 The first one is 77, then it goes to 128, then it goes to 140 and then, oh, so it's 143. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. Come on. Well, you know, I wonder if they like write and they go like, oh, you it's a hundred and a third. Oh, come on. Come on. Well, you know, I wonder if they like write and they go like, oh, you know, we got a back office with crazy people. Let's give somebody else a turn, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:53 to make some pills. They gotta go hard. Has any as any movies surpass the infamous scene in heat for the most bullets ever fired in a scene? Oh, has that ever been passed? That was the record back then. Are you sure? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:08 It was more the commando or? Yes, oh yeah. So that was like big libouski had the most swear words, I believe. Yeah, oh really? And it's cool because it's like, it's subtle. Like it's just part of their language. So you don't realize there's cussing the whole time. Oh, I don't know that that was a record.

Starting point is 00:29:21 Yeah, they had the, it had the longest in most bullets ever fired in a gun scene ever. Really? Yeah, at that time, I don't know if that was a record. Yeah, they had the, it had, are you strongest in most bullets ever fired in a gun scene? Ever. Really? Yeah. At that time, I don't know if it's been surpassed. I don't even remember a commando, bro, and Arnold comes out. You should, you not remember that scene?

Starting point is 00:29:33 I do. That's great. I mean, it's literally a fully automatic gun fight with like 12 guys, and it's like literally a 20 minute scene. That's right. Non-stop. That's right. That's right. I'm through you That's right. That's right.

Starting point is 00:29:45 I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you.

Starting point is 00:29:53 I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you.

Starting point is 00:30:01 I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. I'll give it up to you. Bro, your arm wouldn't hold it like this. Or like Arnold holding two machine guns in each arm. You ever hold, so I've actually held, cause I have family problems. They say it's impossible, it would do this. Yeah, each bullet wouldn't come,

Starting point is 00:30:13 and they're heavy, you end up going up. And they're heavy, it's not you hold one in each hand and you can do this for hours and kill a bunch of people. It's not gonna happen. It looks cool. So that's all matters. So I learned some mouse really interesting.

Starting point is 00:30:26 This is crazy. I love reading about, I'm not gonna suggest this by the way, as a recovery tool. So let me just say that first. But I read, I watched this video, and then I looked it up to confirm it, there's a popular medication that they've shown to dramatically improve recovery.

Starting point is 00:30:45 And it has nothing, this is a drug that is not for recovery. But when they give it to people before and after surgery or injuries or burns, the recovery from this particular drug, that's connected to this drug is like dramatic. It's an unintended sort of benefit. Yeah, beta blockers. Beta blockers dramatically improved, like massively in these studies, recovery.

Starting point is 00:31:10 The theory is, the theory is that beta, because what do beta blockers do, right? They don't allow your heart rate to get up too high, right? The theory is that it's blunting the sympathetic response to stress. So you know, some people in your stress sort of like manage. Correct. So you know, sympathetic, right? That's like fight or fly and you need it for certain extent, but if it's a real high,

Starting point is 00:31:35 it can compromise recovery because parasympathetic is where you recover. That's interesting because you would think that something that would heighten the heart rate would pump more blood, more oxygen that would speed up the recovery process. No, it's because you pump more blood, more oxygen that would speed up the recovery process. No, it's because you have more adrenaline, more cortisol. So I mean, I get it now, you're breaking it down, but I think you would think that it would be the other way.

Starting point is 00:31:54 So I went down the rabbit hole, because I'm like, okay, I read these studies. So these studies were done on people going to surgery or having burns, and it was like a dramatic difference. It wasn't like a small, it was dramatic. So I thought, what athlete do you guys think would get a hold of this and want to decide to experiment with this? What, who's the most chemically experimental bodybuilders? So sure enough, I went on forums,

Starting point is 00:32:15 and you guys know that some bodybuilders use beta blockers for recovery? I actually think I've heard this. Yeah. I think I have for really really. They're just human experiments walking around. Hey, you're welcome first. You're welcome. Yeah, how do you think we learned? Yeah, yeah, I got blessed you.

Starting point is 00:32:32 You're welcome. You're walking pharmacies. We can learn from you. Yeah, so they'll actually use this during bulking season because it also could prevent fat loss to an extent because you want those stress hormones, whatever. So they use them to bulking season when they're training their asses off, feeding themselves

Starting point is 00:32:45 that crazy. And they'll say, and I was reading comments in the forum, I would not recommend this. They're not taking a beta block of recovery. I'm trying to try this, but yeah, I did dynamite one of the craziest. That to me is the wildest. What's it called? DNT? For example, it's called DNT for fat loss and see what comes up.

Starting point is 00:33:02 This is stuff they use to make dynamite and bodybuilders will take it. I don't know how I think it was Dan Ducane. So Dan Ducane passed away, but he was, I mean, he was like the black market, cosmonaut in the bodybuilding space. He would talk about different chemicals and medicines that theoretically could help with fat loss and muscle, DNP, DNP.

Starting point is 00:33:24 So it stands for two, four, dyna, troughinol. This is an ingredient in dynamite, and I don't know how they figured out, I think Dandu Kain was the first one to speculate on this. But literally, I know, like, how did you lead to that? So he was like chewing on a thing of dynamite,

Starting point is 00:33:42 which I'm like, I got lean today. This is crazy. How does that like transpire? So Dan Ducane was a super smart black market dude. I don't even think he was formally educated. But he would look at chemicals and how they act in the body. He would come up with theories. He would talk about them, experiment with them, and then report on them.

Starting point is 00:34:03 He wrote what was it called? That was at the something handbook or Bible. Yeah, the scabbard Bible. Something like that, right? Underground, steroid handbook. Look up Dan Ducaine, steroid book, and see. But so anyway, he wrote about this. People experimented with it.

Starting point is 00:34:20 And literally what they do, Justin, is they will take this. And then they would sit in bed. And they would sweat and feel like they do, Justin, is they will take this, and then they would sit in bed, and they would sweat and feel like they're gonna die. Cool, okay. But you know what they'll report? Please don't do this. I'm gonna say something, and it's gonna be something. Matt's not lost.

Starting point is 00:34:34 This will kill you, okay. This literally will kill you. But they would drop like a percent or two body fat in like a couple days. Just from a sitting. In a couple days. Oh, body, opus, that's what it was. And that's it.

Starting point is 00:34:46 And then the underground steroid handbook. I mean, computer oil is like, is super effective too, but it also one of the scariest things I ever mess with. Like you accidentally took me. My mural is Flintstone vitamins compared to DMP from whatever. Well, that's what's crazy to me, because that scared the shit out of me was,

Starting point is 00:35:01 doing that. Yeah, but didn't you, I did, I made that. Didn't you move the decimal point? I know. Okay, doing that. I did, I made that. Did she move the decimal point? I know. Okay, you're talking about, like, so what's the, what's the, the diabetic needles, the real skinny syringes, right?

Starting point is 00:35:14 So you're talking about your, the tiniest amount of fluid. Oh, you did the liquid one. Yeah, yeah, liquid on your tongue. Oh, shit. And so you're only taking in like a tiny, tiny bit. So it's, it's, it's dosed in micrograms. Yeah, you could easily, you know, like 0.25 micrograms

Starting point is 00:35:29 or something, right? Like you could easily do two or three times that and not even think it's that much. And that's what happened to me. Like I, I did the math wrong on it and. Oh my God. I know, I thought I was, I thought I was gonna die, dude. What happened?

Starting point is 00:35:42 I mean, my, my heart was pounding so hard, like all day long. Like it was, yeah, dude. I mean, my heart was pounding so hard like all day long. Like, it was, yeah, no, I got really, it was definitely the scariest thing that I ever messed with. And I just didn't think something so little that I was taking could possibly even have that kind of effect. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:58 It's an, it's an, it's an, it's an asthma drug. They don't, they don't use it here anymore. I think in some, I yeah, super. Well, it's an asthma drug. I don't use it here anymore. I think in South America and Mexico, I want to say that they still prescribe it to for asthma. They used to give it to cattle because it also builds muscle. Not so much in humans for some reason. So that's right, but what it was so pro

Starting point is 00:36:20 was that it would help burn body fat or basically preserve muscle and preserve muscle So that's why it's so popular. They used to give it to cattle But then it would get in the meat and then some people would suffer from Claimed-beater all poisoning and say band it to giving it to cows Also use though. I know it's still use some places. Yeah, but here in the US They don't use Claim-beater anymore. They use Albeater all Albeater all is more selective So Claim-beater all affects the whole body is it now? That's what they use in inhalers, right?'t use Claim Bater All anymore. They use Albuter All. Albuter All is more selective. So, Claim Bater All affects the whole body.

Starting point is 00:36:46 That's what they use in inhalers, right? Yeah. You can also do Albuter All tablets, which is old school. They still have those. But Albuter All is more selective to the lungs, whereas Claim Bater All hits the whole body. So, they went from Claim Bater All to Albuter All, which is more effective.

Starting point is 00:37:00 I know this is a head asthma as a kid, and I would use, not Claim Bater All. They use the Albuter All. It's kind of pissed off. I didn't get to. Hey, you've been talking to your cousins and family a lot, investments with that. What's the, not the completely ship what I do want to? Because I want to hear your thoughts on the market right now.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Like what's happening in the stock market? What's going on with real estate? Like, the big talk is these huge investors pulling their money out of the market. You had the Michael Burry bet, which was a few billion dollars. Yeah, Warren Buffett pulled eight billion out of the stock market.

Starting point is 00:37:36 That means that they're expecting, that's their out expecting. Yeah, they're expecting a big drop. And then they'll probably put it back in and buy things when they're cheap. So, and so the prediction I've heard, it's literally here. This month, September to December is when most of the people that I follow that have been saying that this is where we're going to see it really unfold right now.

Starting point is 00:37:57 So I'm really curious because I thought it was going to happen long ago. I thought we would have felt this more of this, I guess, in just the last year or whatever. But I did read this stat, this was, I read this yesterday, I think I saw Chris, my buddy Chris post it, and I thought, man, that's wild. It would take a combination of up to 28% decline in home prices, a more than 4% reduction in 30 year mortgage rates,

Starting point is 00:38:23 or up to 60% growth in median household incomes to bring home affordability back to its 25 year average. Wow. That's how off we are. You know what the problem is? I mean, because that's crazy. You know what the problem with the housing market is that they've encouraged and created,

Starting point is 00:38:42 because it was like, here's what happened. It was like part of the American dream, on a home. Politicians got involved, government got involved, and it became policy to continue to try to make buying a house more realistic for people. More accessible. Yeah, and so as a result, we've skewed and distorted the market so much that now,

Starting point is 00:39:00 this is what always happens, housing prices have gotten so expensive and so crazy that it's unachievable. So they tried to remedy by pumping more money this is what always happens, housing prices have gotten so expensive and so crazy that it's unachievable. So they try to remedy by pumping more money or by just trying to fix things. So what's happened now is so many people have their money tied up in their homes that it's political suicide to allow the market to correct itself. Because if the housing market crashes, the average person is screwed.

Starting point is 00:39:22 So now we're in this weird, like... Yeah, what do we do? What do you, I have some thoughts around this. So I'm curious to, what do you think is, it was going to happen? Or do you think we have this massive crash ahead of us? Do you, like, what's going to be the result of this? Oh, man, I don't know. I think, I don't think it'll be like 2008.

Starting point is 00:39:40 I think if this does go down, it'll go down because of the labor market or the work market really being affected. I'm not sure, because people have a lot of equity in their houses and they are locked in with such low rates that a lot of people will just weather the storm. Yeah, I don't think we're going to see anything with that actually at all. I think that we are in, and this is will be unique in our lifetime going through a major transition. I think the education around it is gonna take

Starting point is 00:40:12 probably a decade plus to even get to everybody else. I think the old adage of, you know, buying a house, buying a home is gone. I think that it's gonna, it's going to continue to stay in control by a small percentage of people that can actually afford to play the game of owner and then renting. And I think that it's just going to be different. That's not going to be part of the American dream. We're part of the American dream is actually not going to be like own your own home home and it's like, it's gonna be, you know, live where you want to have the freedom and flexibility.

Starting point is 00:40:47 Do short-term rentals like Airbnb, Airbnb live here for a month, go there for a month, like remote work, everything's becoming renting. Everything is going in that. That's right. And with the the Klaus Schwab stay there. You will own nothing in behalf of that. Yeah, I mean, I think that we are,

Starting point is 00:41:02 or we're living that. I do not think, I mean, hearing stats like that, like get to mold that over a little bit. Like we would need an 08 plus type of crash just to get back to like a 25 year average. It's very back here. Which I don't think anybody thinks that we're in for an 08 crash,

Starting point is 00:41:18 even if we're gonna see some things get turned up a little bit. I've seen some of these World Health Organization like proposals for like new cities and what they look like, like super ultra dense housing. These massive buildings with like 300 square foot, you know, living quarters for people. And I mean, they're trying to shift everything.

Starting point is 00:41:37 And either they're doing it because they see the writing on the wall so they want to change the perception or that's just the direction they want to go because they're able to loan everything. What do you mean? What do you go because they will own everything. What do you mean? What do you see? What they talk about how the new cities, right? The cities of the future are going to be, and the way they sell it, of course, is very environment. It's climate friendly, but it's these massively like super dense housing. So like buildings, so people aren't going to have a house with

Starting point is 00:42:02 a yard. That's going to be like, if you're super rich. Otherwise, everybody else is gonna live in these buildings with these tiny 300 to 500 square foot rooms, communal living, right? They sell it as like this, whatever. The biggest project in the world is often running now. What do you mean? Of that, exactly that.

Starting point is 00:42:19 It's the wall. Yeah, the line. Yeah, the line. Where is that? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, that's right. It's a multi-multitrillion dollar project that has already broken ground and is being built. And it is literally that. It's just, they're building the entire, I mean, I forget how many miles ago. It would take, it would take with a bullet train, it'll still take 20 to 30 minutes to get from one side to the other.

Starting point is 00:42:44 Oh my God. look at that. To put in respect, yeah, so this is what it's looking like. Wow. Yeah, it seems like they're building and shaping these, like, so it's own, it's, like, you don't have to ever like, travel outside of it. Ever leave, like, so their sports, entertainment, grocery, everything is in walking distance,

Starting point is 00:43:03 and so that's sort of like the selling point to the carbon thing. And I've also seen one too that's like a supposed to be carbon neutral. There's a floating one, like a floating city that it actually looks like a turtle in the design. But it's like the whole thing. Yeah, just like this. These are like, that goes way longer than that though. That's just a piece of how much money are they put pumping in?

Starting point is 00:43:24 Trillions. Yeah. It is the biggest architectural project in the world. You know it's crazy about massive, massive dense cities. I understand the rationale. I'm not like pro or against necessarily, except for sometimes the motives aren't great and the way they sell can be lied based on lies I should say. But massive, massive, close, tight societies are what have given us some of our biggest problems in modern societies. Like disease. Disease is a big problem in a place like that.

Starting point is 00:43:59 Like imagine a, what an interesting point that I actually didn't think about with that, because I'm like super excited about it. But like, yeah, imagine like, that's why we don't have fur, you know the right? That's the main theory. Why humans are naked monkeys. Cause there's no other,

Starting point is 00:44:11 and first of all, you think yourself, what is the evolutionary benefit of us being naked without fur? That makes no sense. That was the argument that we were aliens. Yeah, but yeah, just that. But, sorry to get you out of here. Evolutionary speaking, it's stupid. Fur protects you, protects you from being, you yeah, just have to go. Sorry to get you up right. Evolutionary speaking, it's stupid.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Fur protects you, protects you from being attacked cause it kind of is a buffer, keeps you warm, like why the hell are we so naked? And the main theory, which is largely agreed upon, is that we started to develop larger and larger and larger communities. And if having fur became a problem because of lice and mites and disease.

Starting point is 00:44:47 Well, that's interesting as you do see like that, the chimpanzee, whatever that documentary is on Netflix, I've been watching it and just the process of how that's like a status thing. Like they go around and they pick the mites and you know, and it's like, it's all political and the who they do it with and all that kind of stuff. And it's, it was an important part of it. Otherwise, yeah, they're gonna have parasites, they're gonna have diseases, they're gonna have all things if they don't get groomed.

Starting point is 00:45:13 So what you have with that, with like viruses, for example, is let's say that there's a virus in a community of 10, okay, it passes through to everybody that's gone. That's it. You have it in a society of 10 million, it's gonna mutate a bunch of times. It's gonna circle around, turn it to something different, and really it's gonna feed off

Starting point is 00:45:30 of just the amount of people that are there. So like these huge, like the bubonic plague killed so many people, but it probably didn't hurt people living in tribal communities because there's not a lot of people. It was the cities that added to destroy it. So it's different problems is the main thing. Yeah, I'm fascinated in it.

Starting point is 00:45:50 There's like a really cool little mini documentary on the history channel. I think it's also up on YouTube where they went through the whole process of like they recruited the most talented, brilliant minds in architecture. Because it's supposed, what I can't figure out, even after the documentary, I couldn't wrap my brain around. If you have this thing that's these huge vertical walls

Starting point is 00:46:13 like that, how are you gonna have all this fresh greenery inside there? It's all greenhouse. And you're in the desert, so it's the climate there, is it the most advantageous for... Yeah, it's're in the desert. So it's like the climate there isn't like the most advantageous for like- Full climate control. Yeah, it's all climate control. Honestly, my science fiction brain goes immediately

Starting point is 00:46:31 into like, this is like kind of a preparation for interstellar travel because it's like, everybody's gonna be confined. And if we're to like ever have to leave, it's gonna be like that. It would be just like that. And we would try our best to create, you know, some kind of environment where plants could grow

Starting point is 00:46:47 and so we could still have some kind of sustainability. My conspiracy mind, if I let that fly with this, looks at that and says, wow, what an easy way to control a lot of people. Yeah, that's what I thought. Right away, everybody living the same building? Sure. Everything's controlled. Everything from the climate to the food, to the information, to the whatever.

Starting point is 00:47:03 Like, literally, you'd have two buttons and you could make Things happen. Everything's probably gonna be under the same currency of probably digital. Well, I mean I still you remember I brought that up years ago now Geez, that we've the underground people that the the future was gonna be these Minis mini-cities that are owned by massive companies like the apples, the Googles, the Facebooks, that build these maps. And they've already kind of done it. They've done it in their own countries like Little Campuses. And I mean right now, Google is buying up half a down here.

Starting point is 00:47:33 Like they're going to have half of all this stuff down here. And they have this massive campus. And soon they'll have their own kind of government ecosystem where it's like- You think companies are going to war one day? Like Google versus that. No, I here's here. So the I again, I always like to try and be optimistic about it unless like, you know, I love it when you're optimistic about the conspiracies because the comments on YouTube go after I know that people get hell of it. Adams head is in the sand. I know. I know. I know.

Starting point is 00:48:00 So we're the ones say crazy. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be optimistic about it. Like, well, okay, let your free market brain go a little bit and be like, you know, imagine there's, you know, these 10 different, you know, billionaires that decide they wanna build their own little cities or own governments. So long as people are totally voluntary. That's what I mean. And so it's like, hey, you don't have to work for Google.

Starting point is 00:48:20 You don't have to work for Apple. You know, say you own Apple, I own Google, you own Amazon. And we all disagree politically and how things should be structured. And you own Apple, I own Google, you own Amazon, and we all disagree politically and how things should be structured. And so, hey, go build your fucking world. I'm gonna build mine. And people on the list. And as a, I think smart business operator,

Starting point is 00:48:36 I need to make this a place where people want to come live or else they're gonna go to you or someone else. So long as it's voluntary and it's not a backdoor way for government to control speech and movement and purchases and stuff like that, I don't care. But that's, I don't think any of those guys originally, no, no, I'm saying like,

Starting point is 00:48:57 I don't think like the Zuckerbergs and Bezos's and Mussoons and stuff like that, that I think most of them lean like libertarian, they did, or at least they did, stuff like that, that, I think most of them lean like libertarian. They did. Or at least they did, right, before. Not anymore. Yeah, before. Who's the old Twitter owner's name again, Jack Dorsey?

Starting point is 00:49:11 Yeah, he said all that. Yeah. It was literally how he started the company was trying to make it as free as possible. Yeah, so I think, you know, I believe that that's the intent from most of these guys. The internet grew and exploded in itself, organized itself with zero, almost zero direction, a regulation from governments and advanced very quickly. And it literally became what it is without, you know, top down type control. Well, speaking of like long, linear structures, the Great Wall in China, dude, have you saw this in the news? What happened?

Starting point is 00:49:40 Like, so I guess there's these, these two people were trying to make their commute to work a little shorter. And so they decided to bore through and basically cut through this giant chunk of the wall and have a road so they could cut through to get the work faster. Like ancient, ancient structure that they just they must be ruined. Oh yeah, yeah, they picked them up and locked them up. Were they successful though? Did they get through? Oh, they did.

Starting point is 00:50:09 They did. Wow. Like, oh yeah, Doug, pull up. Let me see, let me see. But it's so disheartening man, like that's history, like, too detained after leveling. Yeah, it looks like part of the wall that's kind of crumbled and, you know, not the entire wall is like imperfect shape. Sure, it looks like part of the wall that's kind of crumbled. And, you know, not the entire walls are like in perfect shape.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Sure, sure, sure. But they just, they, they kind of go through it. Wow, you're right. Yeah, irreversibly damaged. Ooh, I didn't know that some of the wall looked like that. I assumed it was like, it's all ruined. Yeah, the wall.

Starting point is 00:50:38 So I mean, there's a place is, we know where the miles is it go. It's, oh, it's so long. You can see it from space. Yeah, it's so long. You don't know that. I think it's the only manmade structure. Yeah, see from space, right? It's 13,171 miles, which is 21,000 kilometers. That's all. That would take weeks to travel from one to the other side, right? Yeah. Wow. Isn't

Starting point is 00:51:04 that crazy? That is crazy. I didn't realize it was one of the most side, right? Yeah. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I didn't realize it was that massive. One of the most insane, ambitious projects in human history. So where does it, you know, I'm terrible with history, right? So where does it run from where to where?

Starting point is 00:51:18 That's a good question. Is it completely a border? Or is it like a... Yeah, it was, I think, originally designed to keep out vaders. I would imagine. Yeah, it was, I think, originally designed to keep out Vators. I would imagine. Yeah, I don't know exactly where I start and where it finishes.

Starting point is 00:51:30 And it finishes, I mean, outside of Beijing, you can actually go to part of the wall there and see it. You can type in, yeah, put out, where does the Great Wall of China start and stop? Is that interesting in that as well? This was for the, this was really to stop the, I mean, the Mongols were the biggest motivation, right? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:46 Yeah, wow. Is that it right there? Yep. Wow. So it's past the Stubaji. Yeah, holy cow. So it stops right there. Yeah, so it begins in the east,

Starting point is 00:51:58 like I won't even try to say the names of these places. Oh, wait a second. Is. I thought you spoke. I don't speak English. All of that red line, or is it just what I see going to like. Is I thought you spoke? I don't know. I don't speak any. I don't know. All of that red line, or is it just what I see going to like above North Korea to that?

Starting point is 00:52:08 That's the line. Okay, just that line. Okay, okay. And it splits in a place. Yeah. And actually, it actually surrounds an area. Okay, so, hold on. What does that say right there?

Starting point is 00:52:20 Does it, do you, can you get where it starts and where it stops? Is that what it says? Yeah. So, again, I'm so again, I'm a butcher these. The East at the Shanghai Guan in Hebe province and ends at Jui Guan in Gansu province in the West. So East to West. You did pretty good. Doug.

Starting point is 00:52:39 He said he's got a real man. Sexy. He's an interpreter. Yeah, what did you guys say? So I talked to this person. they annoyed the hell out of me because they don't, don't use my name, don't use my picture. Fine, I won't, okay. But I'm gonna talk about it anyway.

Starting point is 00:52:51 Just not gonna say who it is, it's a family member. You can't use the before and after? No, it's annoying. You know what, I'm gonna give you this guy's phone number. Are you kidding me? Yeah, no, he doesn't want it. So I'm gonna give you his phone number. Fuck off, dude.

Starting point is 00:53:02 That's so annoying. I did not know that. So I'm gonna give you his phone number. Fuck off dude. That's so annoying. I did not know that. So I'm gonna give you his phone number, you guys can rasm. But he used the, bro, the before, he listen, I'll say this, I was the most skeptical about this and I'm like whatever, I've also accepted that. I'm gonna ask him if we could blur out his face. You need, you need to do that.

Starting point is 00:53:18 Yeah, we could do that. The before and after. Crazy in this period of time. 30 days. Is crazy. And it's here. And I had no idea we weren't gonna be able to share, that pisses me off. after crazy in this period of time. 30 days is crazy. And I had no idea we weren't gonna be able to share. That pisses me off.

Starting point is 00:53:28 His 30 days, because I've been always skeptical about this shit in the first place. I told you for getting his hair into a month. Yeah. It's a substantial difference. That's a bullshit, bro. From using me and like that. Yeah, I don't want to.

Starting point is 00:53:41 He's just. I'm so mad. But I don't know if he's just, I don't know what the deal is. Well, you're the leader of the family. You should fucking put your foot down about some shit like that. I think he's sensitive about his hair loss. Is that what it is? I think so, boy.

Starting point is 00:53:53 Where's the face out? But the fact that he had so much hairy growth, I would be like proud of that. Yeah, he's a total person. Yeah, nobody's gonna be even looking at his face. He's gonna see his hair while he has like, completely radically changed. Well, it's just, I mean, he's just blown away.

Starting point is 00:54:04 He's blown away that it worked as well as in the 30 days. And because remember the peptides, you'll take longer than 30 days, really have the full effect. What a prick. I hope he listens to this. Come on, bro. Seriously, like that's such a big, that's such a huge change. I know. People are going to want to see that. It's dramatic. And it's one of your family members. You're always, they're talking about the products thing. It's like, bro, it's like the most crazy from the product. Yeah, right? It's big time.

Starting point is 00:54:28 It's crazy how big of a difference in 30 days. His hairline moved like four inches and it's still in perspective and it totally filled in from using the falletin. It's a dark hair there now. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, it's from it's the in Terra. So in Terra has this product fit of falletin. I've been using it to the product.

Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm not going to lie. There's a little bit of me now that wants to try just because that is such a big deal. It's a family member. I know the person is very, very well. I know what they live in before. I don't like it. It's like, this is like, so even as much as I didn't even give a shit about it, like that's like, whoa, that's a lot, do you know? It's a great period of time.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Now, they also have the skin cream that, did you guys, wives use those? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Courtney's raving about it. Yeah. So they call it liquid Botox. Yeah, because, okay, and I don't mean to put her on front street, but yeah, she's done Botox before. It's like, so the difference of it, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:55:15 well, is it really like, move the needle at all with that? And it's, she stopped kind of, yeah, no pun intended. Nice. In terms of like the regular appointments that you scheduled for that, because it's one of those things it's for a, you gotta keep it up. So she's had to like book out even further out,

Starting point is 00:55:36 like so it's been able to kind of like, not go as awful. Not go as awful. So it's gotta be working. Oh well, I mean, I mean, Jessica's been using it and she's like, this is, get me more I mean, you know, Jessica's been using it and She's like this is get me more. This is crazy stuff. You can actually feel it by the way. Have you guys tried it? I mean, I've I've tried it once. I can't say you didn't notice you felt something It feels interesting. I could put it on and then you could feel like your skin. It just feels different

Starting point is 00:55:57 I don't know interesting. Anyway, good stuff So it works and if I get approval From this fucker then we'll post this before and after, but I don't think he's going to be able to. Yeah, we can wear his face out and then he doesn't need it. That's what I'm going to do. At least that, yeah, at least. Look, all Mr. X.

Starting point is 00:56:12 Mr. X. Mr. X. Oh, shout out. You got a, I had something. What was he? He has a nom, oh yeah, listen. Anomaly on Twitter. He interviewed Vivek Raphon.

Starting point is 00:56:22 Well, it's on his Instagram also. It's on his Instagram also. It's on his Instagram also. His podcast is called Dream Rare. We've actually talked about him before. He's a libertarian guy and like really goes towards a conspiracy theory type stuff, but it's more. I mean, and he goes ham on every like politician. Like what I like about him is he goes pretty deep on all of them. Both left and right.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Like he's not a true. Not a true. Trump fan. He's not a true. He voices a lot of my concerns. He's not a Trump fan, he's not a Biden fan, and Vivek is somebody that we've been following closely. We like a lot of the things that he's saying, but then I've got even family on my side who's very skeptical of a lot of some of the things

Starting point is 00:56:57 that he has said or that who he's tied to. And this is the toughest interview, Vivek has done. He definitely asked him the hard. I even think that like he was a little bit, he didn't soften anything. Nothing. It was all hard. So it's a great interview.

Starting point is 00:57:14 If you're at all following the debates and things and curious about the candidates, and VEK is one of the leaders on the right, definitely worth a watch. So shout out to anomalies, I think. Yeah, and then it's the zero instead of O. Yeah, so A and zero, M-A-L-Y is. On X, yeah.

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Starting point is 00:58:05 Check them out, go to organify.com. That's ORGANIFI.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code Mind Pump and get 20% off. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Katie from California. Hi Katie, how can we help you? Hey guys, what's up? Of course I want to say thank you for sure.

Starting point is 00:58:24 It's blessing you guys for probably a couple of years now. My boyfriend turned me on to it. He said to tell Justin, hey, so I have to get that in there. Of course. Hey guy. But I know you guys have a lot of problems to do, so I'll jump into it. To yourself. The question I put out there, because you guys have been talking about creatine a lot.

Starting point is 00:58:41 Obviously a lot of studies have been coming out about that. And like all the benefits, but I'm going into like a do you get to competition and like through a whole series of events, I've gained more weight than I used to compete at. So I want to drop back down a division. So pretty much I'm 164 right now and October 21st is the competition. So I need to drop into the 155 and below and do have to weigh in with my G on like an hour before. So there is no like you can do some crazy dehydration or anything like that. So because I especially want to go down to that division because otherwise it's 155 and

Starting point is 00:59:23 up. So there could be like a 190 or 180 or something like that. And I'm like, not super amp to do that. But I know Crete team can like make you retain more water. So I'm just kind of curious, you guys have thoughts on it. So definitely feel stronger with it when I've used it before. But yeah, so yeah. Good question. So all right, here's a deal with trying to make weight

Starting point is 00:59:45 for sporting events. And Jiu-Jitsu turned this to a good job of this. They have you weigh in right before your match, okay? And the reason why they do this is people play a lot of games to try to get into lighter weight classes. And then they'll add the water back in, they'll go into the weight class, 15 pounds heavier than where they weighed maybe

Starting point is 01:00:02 the day before or two days before. But here's my strong belief with weight classes. I think you should go and be as healthy and fit as possible wherever you weigh you weigh. Your best performance will be where you feel the best. When we try to gain the weight classes by, oh, I'm going to try and go in and be smaller. And look, you've done, how long have you been in a Giu-Gitsu, Katie? Almost four years. Okay, so you've been doing it for a you been in Jiu-Jitsu, Katie? Almost four years.

Starting point is 01:00:25 Okay, so you've been doing it for a while. Are you competing as blue or purple? Blue, so I want to get some tournaments in like before the end of the year, because my coach wants to promote me at the end of the year, and I'm like, hmm, so yeah. Look, you know that, okay, then you know this. You know that there's some really dangerous 150 pound girls

Starting point is 01:00:41 or 100 pound girls, and then there's, you know, 190 pound chicks that you can, you're gonna, you you can get behind them and choke them out really easy. So now that's not to say wait, doesn't make a difference, but when you're talking about women, it's gonna be rare that you're gonna fight a 180 pound like muscular chick. Now I know there's some that are like that,

Starting point is 01:01:00 but it's pretty rare. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. Really focus on being fit and healthy. Now here's why I think you shouldn't stop taking creatine. The weight you might gain for it is going to be about three pounds, not that much. It's inconsequential. But as you try, as you get leaner, if that's what makes you feel more fit and healthy, leading into this tournament, creatine's going to help you hold on to muscle. It's also going to give you better recovery. So I don't think that that's something that

Starting point is 01:01:24 is going to make that big of a difference. In fact, it might actually hamper or hinder your performance. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to shave three pounds off your body weight for a tournament that's in October. I don't think that's going to make that big of a difference. No, I think that the move would be, even if we were to manipulate a little bit of that, the move would still be to use creatine the whole entire time. And then like the week before the competition, I'd just say,

Starting point is 01:01:48 hey, cut it out. If we were like, let's say, three pounds over water weight heading into that. But even then, it's going to be, it's going to be so, the difference of you making that weight class is not going to be made in that week, let's say. It's going to be done on all of your dieting training, leading up. And creatine is only going gonna help you get your results better And so I would I would use it and I think I think you're gonna be totally fine

Starting point is 01:02:11 The absolute worst thing you could do and some people do this is they they the week before they're like oh my god I have to drop Five pounds and so then they do everything they can to drop five pounds and look leading up to a tournament, you're training at max, you're probably already dancing on the borderline of overtraining, you're probably already, you know, taking care of some kind of nagging injuries, I don't know any Jiu Jitsu competitor that goes into tournament with some kind of mild injury. One of the worst things you do is try to cut weight a week before a tournament when you're in that state. You're going to make yourself potentially sick or over trained or injured. So, you know, that's just...

Starting point is 01:02:50 You want to be as consistent as possible. I completely agree. And it's one of those things, too. You want to lose weight. Some people wait till the last two weeks or so to really crash into it and not performing with that weight and not being at that energy. And so all of those things factor in when you're going to your performance that, you know, if you haven't simulated that beforehand. So if you are wanting to kind of move into a lower weight class, I would do that before even signing up for, you know, tournament.

Starting point is 01:03:20 So that way you're real comfortable, you know, with that body weight and that, that feel of your body first. You guys are reading their numbers too, right? Yeah, you're five pounds off, right? If she wants to do one fifty-five. Yeah. And that's October what? 21st.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Yeah. Which one is this by? Is this the, is this the, are you coming up here to San Jose? No, it'll be in San Diego, so it's the Gigi Siu World League totally at the Del Mar Fairgrounds. Okay, cool. be in San Diego, so it's the Gigi Siu World League, totally at the Del Mar Fair Grounds. Okay, cool. I mean, five pounds, you could totally do by October, second. It's not that, not that big of a deal, and it'd be a healthy cut. What I would do is, literally,

Starting point is 01:03:56 I wouldn't aggressively aim for a cut. I would just try to eat healthy, clean, train, try to stay, you know, try to stay away from over training. And you may, you'll probably drop that anyway with the additional training. So, okay, I do want to mention what I was talking about though. Like, so, are you against her potentially doing something like this, since she's like five pounds, right? So you just need to do an aggressive cut.

Starting point is 01:04:18 You just, you know, tighten up the diet a little bit, keep your training intensity volume up there. You're probably going to lean out, heading right into the competition or getting close to the competition. Use creatine, it's only going to benefit your training and building muscle and hanging on to muscle during this process.

Starting point is 01:04:34 Let's pretend she is, though, like, a pound over going into her final week. Would you say, oh, just cut the creatine out for that final week? Yeah, I mean, I guess if you're a pound over, but a pound is like, I mean, that could go up or down. I know, but I'm just cut the the cretin out for that final week. Yeah, I mean, I guess if you're a pound over but a pound is like I mean, I could go up or down I know, but I'm just saying like that so yeah So that so that was my point is like I would use cretin the entire time

Starting point is 01:04:52 If you're heading into the final week or so and you're literally off a pound of three pounds It might not hurt your ears. Why don't I like to say that because what'll happen what often happens when people think that they can do that is Then they go in so close because they have this thing in their back pocket. If you go into the tournament, a pound away, you've already made a mistake. No, so if you were my client, the goal would be to get down to 150, knowing that we could be 155.

Starting point is 01:05:17 We have plenty of time to get to 150, 10 pounds over the next month and a half is plenty of time for us to do that. Healthy, slowly, controlled. The goal would be to get there, but I'm just saying that if that was the goal, we're in that process. and a half is plenty of time for us to do that. Healthy, slowly, controlled. The goal would be to get there, but I'm just saying that if that was the goal, we're in that process.

Starting point is 01:05:29 It's, she's 156, we're in the final week, I would just pull the creatine, I would. Yeah, so I mean, and by the way too, during this process, I would keep your water and sodium levels up high too, which is also going to be holding extra water, which I could easily, if I were pushing, let's say two packets of element, I've got you at a gallon, gallon and a half of water.

Starting point is 01:05:49 Oh, this is, don't forget though, this is right. This is like the day of the tournament. If she messes with sodium and then compete and it messes up her performance, won't be a good, so I don't know about the water sodium thing. I'd want to keep her as hydrating as possible. I'm saying hi, that's from someone so high that if I were to bring her down to where she probably is now,

Starting point is 01:06:04 she would see a difference in the waterway also. So, but I mean, at the end of the day, I think the thing that we all agree on is, you have plenty of time right now to pull easily, reduce five pounds of body fat without doing anything extreme, also utilizing creatine all the way. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:21 Okay. Awesome. You had a second part of this question about training? Oh, yeah. Just like so I don't overtrain. So I typically go probably about like four hours of what you just do and then hopefully they catch like an open mat on the weekend because like on Mondays we have two back-to-back classes and then I'll go to other days. And I really like to get in and lift but I didn't know like how many, because like I had a back injury and every time I can go deadlift, my core feels solid

Starting point is 01:06:50 for the week. Anytime I don't go deadlift, like I don't, like my back starts to hurt. So I like to keep that in there. But like when I'm, I don't know, like what would be the right way to train so that I'm not necessarily building muscle, but like keeping the muscle and not over-training. You're like a little over a month out from the tournament. Right now, all your training should be year-to-round staying healthy. Don't worry about performance or strength. So when you go to the gym, think to yourself what's going to feel good.

Starting point is 01:07:21 Don't think I'm going to improve my performance. All your focus right now should be on the Jiu-Jitsu, like rolling and sparring with your partners. If this was like four months out, then I would, we would be focused on like strength training. A little bit, but right now, it's only a month out. It's just supplemental at this point. We gotta keep you from getting hurt.

Starting point is 01:07:38 It's the main thing. Are you training her one time a week full body straight training? Right now, Max, and I would go in like, yeah, easy, moderate, intense, and I wouldn't even go high and intense. A generic way to do that, like, this is an exam. So I would do one day, this is me, one day a week of training,

Starting point is 01:07:52 and then like a lot of tempo stuff, because that will force me to keep the weight down, right? So you can modify your intensity, one of the ways to do that would be, if I know, let's say you can do, or you can do, I know you can do dead lifting at 200 pounds, like I'm gonna put you at 130, 140, and slow the tempo down and make it real controlled.

Starting point is 01:08:09 Like, that's something that I would do to keep you from wanting to push a weight that you think you can get up to. It's like, that's not the priority right now. It's to bulletproof your body. A great way to mess with tempo right now would be to slow down the repetition, isometric stuff, unilateral work,

Starting point is 01:08:24 like Justin just said. Like, that's what I'm doing right now. Another thing, down the repetition, isometric stuff, unilateral work, like Justin just said, that's what I'm doing right now. I don't think two Kati, ask your coach, you know what your game is, right? By this point four years into Getsu, you've probably kind of developed a style. And I would ask your coach and also ask yourself, do you do better with opponents that like to put weight and pressure on you?

Starting point is 01:08:44 Do you like to play the bottom game better, the top game? Cause some, so okay, so if you're a top game fighter, I can see why you wanna go in the lighter division then, because going heavier is gonna be a little harder for you. So that makes sense then. Okay, cool. Thanks guys, that's awesome.

Starting point is 01:08:59 You got it, we appreciate it. You got it, thanks for calling in. Yeah, good luck to you. Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, the whole like making weight thing, people put so much emphasis on it I appreciate it. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Good luck to you. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah. The whole like making weight thing, people put so much emphasis on it, because this is what the pros do, and they know what they're doing,

Starting point is 01:09:12 and even then they screw up half the time. The best thing you should do when you compete in any event that's weight class is go in as healthy as possible. Yeah. I didn't know that. I like that they do that. They just weigh data. On purpose.

Starting point is 01:09:23 Yeah. Well, it's a problem. Because they do play games all the time? People would get, they would dehydrate, they do crazy shit and then people have died doing crazy shit. Isn't it, isn't that kind of, I would love to see the stats on this. Even at the professional level,

Starting point is 01:09:33 don't they find that athletes that keep their weight relatively close to what their competing weight is, have some of the most success? I know there's some examples in their body. Yeah, I know there's some examples of some fighters that are like famous for this, right? Where they cut like 30 pounds and then they blow back up 15 right before the. Yeah, I think the most part, I think some of the most consistently successful, even professional fighters are like,

Starting point is 01:09:58 do a good job of keeping themself close to the weight that they were. I read a study, I think it was an article that said that about 10 pounds is where you want to maybe 10 pounds within your Flexuation yeah, where you could drop 10 pounds of water 24 hours before and gain back more than that You start to mess up your performance. You know, I had a friend who dropped 20 pounds of water the day before Oh my god, and yeah, and he went in and he was trying to like IV it back in you do all kinds of shit And you just you just feel like dogs shit the day of you know, and I mean they literally he was trying to His his training partners locked him in the sauna wouldn't amount like 20 pounds is too much I think you know, but these are pros. They have people monitoring them. Yeah, I wouldn't do this at any other level in the way

Starting point is 01:10:44 Our next caller is Colin from Idaho. Colin, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, now much guys. Thanks for having me on the show. I promised my wife I wouldn't fangirl it. So I'll just say I'm excited to be on Love the Show. And I love the consistent advice you guys are always giving.

Starting point is 01:11:01 It's done a lot for me over the last couple of years. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks, man. So I love working out. I love it specifically for the aspect in that it translates so well into real life. Yeah, yeah, just a bit of background. I love working out. I love the translation that working out takes into real life. But I also do a lot of hunting, backpacking, long trips in the deep country with hemigolds on my back. So I also love the intense aspect of training. So my question

Starting point is 01:11:34 for you guys is I'm trying to avoid getting the big, bulky muscle, kind of hypertrophy look. I'm not really interested in round, large muscle. I'm primarily interested in just being powerful, being a bit smaller, having a lot of endurance. My question is, how can I train for powered endurance and kind of avoid, I guess, the training that will give me those big bulky muscles? What's the best way to go about that? Yeah, you cycles

Starting point is 01:12:05 Yeah, well, yeah, you're also overthinking it. Yeah, all those rep ranges contribute to everything. He's gone Answer the question. Yeah, we're basically done with this. Yeah, all those rep ranges contribute To to what you're looking for and hypertrophy helps with all that really it's a diet thing That's where you're going to control that. Most of that is going to be the calories that you eat and whether or not you're in a surplus or a deficit. But you want to train all the different rep ranges for performance.

Starting point is 01:12:34 And the exercises you pick are going to play a bigger role in the functionality of the strength that you build versus just the look. I mean, when I hear a question like this, I think right away the motivation behind how we wrote math performance. That's literally what this is, like math performance is not the program you follow

Starting point is 01:12:51 to try and look like a body builder and build big bulky muscle. It's like you want to have muscles that can perform. And the most important piece of that when you're training, because like you said, everything obviously contributes to those things, but you just phase it. So you actually have a phase where you put emphasis on endurance and stamina, and you're not really worried that you might lose five or ten pounds on the scale,

Starting point is 01:13:15 because you're building endurance and stamina. So it would really just be phasing your training very similar to how a mouse performs. Yeah, just the mouse to your nutrition, I mean, at the end of the day, because in terms of gaining size, because what he's desiring and what he's going after, like to get that kind of fast-twitch response movement, I mean, there's specific training for that. No doubt, so that's gonna be sort of your hub. You're gonna come back to that,

Starting point is 01:13:39 but you're gonna cycle in hypertrophy-style training, and you're gonna cycle in these other methods that also build and grow muscles. However, it's not that all of a sudden you're just doing hypertrophy, your muscles are gonna balloon out. I wish. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 01:13:55 I was like, again, so it's not funny because that's kind of like the misconception like women have a lot of personality. We lost them, I'd love to ask them questions about his genetics and his response because to ask a question like this colon You better be Top.1% of muscle building where you were walking around and you're just jacked on accident Yeah, otherwise it's a silly question. It's like building big round bulky muscles hard

Starting point is 01:14:22 Never happens on accident. It doesn't happen because you actually trained in hypertrophy range. Really, for performance, it's going to be the kind of exercises you do, the workout programming. And then when it comes to body weight, it's your diet. So obviously, okay, so obviously, no, it's on diet. So what is a generic answer?

Starting point is 01:14:39 Obviously, we also know too that would be very individualized, but if we were giving a mass advice, is it look like a primarily caloric maintenance? Most of the time with a slight surplus, is it look like a calorie maintenance versus and some deficits? A lot of times, like what is the what is the general? It's up and down, undulating. Yeah, for the most part. Yeah, it's enough of a surplus to fuel hard workouts and

Starting point is 01:15:09 deficits when the activity drops a little bit. That's all. You're just playing that balancing. I mean, would you consider that? I mean, that's not a bad strategy to underlate it like even weekly where you're like, you're in a slight surplus for training days and then on off days, you totally, yeah, you live in a deficit. I would do that. Yeah, I train a lot. And yeah, and he's back. Can you hear us calling? Yeah, I can hear you. Sorry. I've been in it out. I apologize. No worries. No, we can listen to this later We just answered we gave you a great answer. We actually told you the secret Here at the end call because we'll you'll be able to replay this and we did kind of go over everything I you know, I do want to ask you a question. I have you line on the line. Are do you how tall are you? How much do you weigh? on the line. How tall are you? How much do you weigh?

Starting point is 01:15:50 5, 10, 200 pounds. Okay, so you're pretty much there. Do you just build muscle on accident? Are you just like the super jack naturally guy or what? I've been very strong. I think the reason I'm not into the big bulky look is because I feel kind of short. And so I want to carry a lot of strength and power but i don't want to stack it on to a relatively short body yeah that doesn't answer the question i'm asking is are you the kind of guy like you have you always been like super genetically gifted like could you be a bodybuilder on accident if you touch weights and you just respond immediately uh...

Starting point is 01:16:22 in weight incredibly fast i can put on way i can lose weight incredibly fast. I can put on the way I can lose weight incredibly fast. I don't know if I could without trying to become a body builder, but I can very quickly manipulate my body, throw my legs, throw my arms if I zone in on something. Yeah, so the answer we gave earlier really had to revolve around diet and just functional training, but I wouldn't skip any specific type of rep range because you're going to lose performance. Do you have maps for formats? I do not. Okay.

Starting point is 01:16:45 That'll get you that. That's the programming. So that's the programming. Totally. The short answer since you probably missed what we said is follow a programming like map performance, underlates your calories. So have some days when you're in a surplus, have some days when you're in a deficit. That'll do it.

Starting point is 01:17:00 I would most likely feed you when you're doing high performance days. So when you're working days. Yeah, your foundational days. I would have you feed you when you're doing high performance days. So when you're working days. Yeah, your foundational days. I would have you in a calorie surplus. So you have a lot of energy for your workouts. Your mobility days and off days put you in a calorie deficit. That'll keep your weight down, keep you lean, but then also keep you really strong and feel it for those workouts.

Starting point is 01:17:18 Okay. And you don't think big, bulky muscles will slow me down at all when I'm trying to perform in these different activities. No, not unless you're training, it's like, you just maintain the skill of the fast movement. Yeah, like, there can be, someone can be very big and very muscular,

Starting point is 01:17:34 but extremely functional. Someone else can be very big and muscular, not very functional. It's really about how you train those muscles and how you move. It's not necessarily about the muscles themselves. Now, of course, we look at bodybuilders as this example, but that's extreme. That's extreme. If you build big muscles

Starting point is 01:17:52 by training functional, they're going to be functional. Well, on a lot of times, they've cut out a lot of those athletic type movements, and really that's what it is. You're not simultaneously training for both, which a lot of athletes, like you look at these specimens that are athletes, like they've been, you know, they're big and jacked, but they can move and be very explosive and move very fast. And so you have to maintain that amount of skill simultaneously to your training. If you follow math performance the way it's laid out,

Starting point is 01:18:18 you'll be fine. And you just interrupt the training every once in a while with some low calorie days to make sure you don't put on excessive weight. But even the weight you would put on from that program to the guy's point is gonna be functional performance weight. It's gonna be good muscle that's going to work the way you want to.

Starting point is 01:18:34 And if it's not, then just go in a cut for a little while. That's it. Follow that to a tee. Perfect. Awesome, guys. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, man. Hey, how've it going, guys?

Starting point is 01:18:43 Thanks. You too. Look, the thing people need to understand is that exercises is a skill, athletic performance is a skill. It's all skills. So when you look, when people look at bodybuilders and they say, oh, they're not good athletes, they're training for a different sport. That's sportive bodybuilding. Very specified. When you see a bodybuilder in the gym, they're very good at the exercises that they perform. But that's what they're training. They're not training running,

Starting point is 01:19:08 they're not training rotation, explosive movement, they're not throwing a basketball or a football or baseball. So they're not gonna have those skills, just like the guy on the street who doesn't have those skills. Training those skills and training to have skills, that's what you're gonna adapt to. And that's what's gonna make you work.

Starting point is 01:19:22 You prioritize at the end of the day. 100%. Our next caller is Carl Dean from Tennessee. Carl Dean, how can we help you? Is that your home setup? Is it? It is, yes. What?

Starting point is 01:19:33 Oh, sick gym. This was our COVID project. We spent our vacation money in 2020, building a home gym. Can I get a little camera turn there? Can I see the whole thing? The thing looks awesome. That is sick. How many charge members have you got? TV up down to the top two. That is bad. That's awesome. Wow. All right. Thank you. Super gym in

Starting point is 01:19:58 V going on over here. What's your question? So thank you guys for taking my call. And I know I've sent in quite a bit of detail in my question. So I'm just going to read an abbreviated version of what I sit in and then you guys can prompt me for any more details that are needed. So I started back weight training in 2020 during COVID. And since then I've noticed a big disparity in being able to reach behind my back with my right arm versus my left. So I can easily reach behind my back and like touch my right shoulder with my left hand. But I can only reach about midway behind my back with my right hand.

Starting point is 01:20:39 So at first, this was primarily due to stiffness in the shoulder, but it's becoming increasingly painful in the front of my shoulder over the last four to six months. I have some mild pain on certain lifts, but it does seem to be manageable as long as I don't apply too much intensity. So I've also been battling some medial epicon doll pain, so kind of the golfer's elbow type of thing in that right elbow as well for the last three years. And so I now suspect that that may be related to my shoulder pain as well. So I've been doing the stick, the mobility stick dislocates as a priming exercise at every workout, but I'm not sure if that's actually the best thing and what I should be doing for

Starting point is 01:21:23 this, or if there's maybe other things I should be doing. And at this point, I'm also wondering if I should consider like BPC 157, but I did hear on one of your podcasts, I think it was probably the most recent episode with Dr. Seeds, that the problem will come back if it's an issue that's caused by a poor movement pattern. So a question is, which exercises from MAPS PROM and MAPS PROM PRO would you recommend for this front shoulder pain that happens

Starting point is 01:21:51 when reaching behind my back, or is there something else you would recommend? Real quick question. Can you point to exactly where it hurts? Can you point to exactly where it hurts? Right here. So is it where your collarbone, is it where the AC joint is, do you know where the collarbone meets the shoulder? Can you palpate it like if you push on it to the hurt right there? Yes, yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Okay, so it's not where the bicep, yeah, that's your AC joint. Okay, so I want you to look up AC joint rehab movements because you might have some inflammation or maybe a minute, did you have an injury, do you actually hurt it or is it just over time? So it really just started coming on over time. I did have an accident, a horseback riding accident back in July, fell off and actually landed

Starting point is 01:22:37 on that same shoulder. And it got worse after that accident, but now that is 95% plus recovered. And so it's really back to the baseline kind of where it was before that accident happened. It should separate a little bit. Yeah, so you're pointing to your chromium, chromium, clavicular joint, ac joint,

Starting point is 01:22:55 so where the clavicle meets the shoulder. And so there might be some, here's what happens with poor recruitment patterns. You get some pain, your recruitment patterns change. And so now the way you move is causing issues in other areas like your elbow. So this would be something I would work with a movement specialist over. Now, there's lots of mobility movements you can do. The problem is I can't watch you do them.

Starting point is 01:23:19 And so you might perform them in a way to where they're not going to be necessarily beneficial. Which is, by the way, why doing shoulder dislocates may not really be improving for you is like you may not even recognize it, but every time you go over, you're the side that you have painted is moving differently than it should be to help you. And so you're not really getting a lot of maybe relief, maybe warms up a little bit, but to Sal's point, if I can't be there to kind of correct when I see it, like, oh, see that right there, how we're elevating, I need you to press that while we do that. You need to be able to spot the compensations as they occur, so that way, yeah, we could

Starting point is 01:23:52 make those little micro adjustments in the way that you're bracing and holding your body and making sure it's like actually benefiting your shoulder. Yeah, you're probably, so I'm assuming bench press probably hurts at the most Or also been over rose Ben over rose interesting. Yeah, so your shoulders probably coming forward when you're rolling Yeah, you're rolling for shoulder. Yeah, so I would work on In prime pro scapular so there's two sections for the shoulder There's like shoulder movements and then scapular movements, I believe. Or circular circles.

Starting point is 01:24:26 I would work on scapular movements. I would also work with a movement specialist or a physical therapist and let them know I have AC joint pain. They'll do further assessments to identify what's going on because it's going to be a little bit more specific and specialized. But I really think that three to five sessions with a specialist will give you enough direction to, so it's not like you need to make a crazy investment,

Starting point is 01:24:48 have one with you forever. Just be just like paying one of us to be there with you to kind of go through and go, okay, this is what we, here's the few things I need you to do. You seem like the type of person that would be disciplined to follow through on it. Like that would be worth the investment to go see someone three to five times and then have them do a little

Starting point is 01:25:05 bit of work on you show you what you show you how you need to move when you're doing these exercises and then you then you'll probably be all right. Yeah, BPC would definitely help, but I would you still need to do the do it in conjunction and rehab. Yeah, so BPC is good for healing. It's not like a quarter zone shot where you just reduce inflammation. It'll speed up the process. If you combine that with the rehab, it should help quite a bit. Okay. So is this something that I need to go like to my general practitioner and ask for a recommendation to a physical therapist or is this something I can... Are you involved in this? How do I get in touch with the type of person?

Starting point is 01:25:43 Yeah, are you in our private forum? I am, yes. Okay, so yeah, so I want you to tag Dr. Justin Brink and ask him for a referral. I bet he's got somebody who he'll know who to reach out to out there better than even we will. And then the BPC, it's unlikely. Also, by the way,

Starting point is 01:26:02 might be able to give you some video consultation that might be good Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so is the best now the the BPC I it's unlikely your general practitioner Will even know what it is but you do there are doctors that do work with peptides so you can go to mp hormones calm and Consult with them and they'll set you up with a doctor for the B But definitely do this the movement specialist is like you said, you hit it already.

Starting point is 01:26:27 Like if you don't address the root cause, it'll, it's just like putting a bandaid on it, but it will help while you're doing it. But make sure, and bring some there. So he'll, he might even be able to do this video with you. Yep. Oh, perfect. Okay.

Starting point is 01:26:39 Yeah. You're on the right track, though. You're gonna, you're gonna be good. And you got an amazing gym. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So my husband did most gym. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. So my husband did most of this work by hand himself. Wow.

Starting point is 01:26:49 This will be very, very pleased to do that. I mean, it's gorgeous. Wow, we're just gym. Is he a contractor? Is that what he does for a living? Is he in the space? He's a, yeah, he's electrical. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:27:00 Wow. Yeah, he's in the space, so. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, telling a great job. Yeah, very nice job. All right. I will. Hey, guys, if I can just share with you a quick thank you.

Starting point is 01:27:09 So you know, I hear you guys talk a lot about how sometimes it feels like, you know, you're fighting the good fight, but it's a struggle getting the message out there. Just wanted you to know your message is getting through. I first found you guys. I heard say a couple of times on Mike Matthews. The second time was actually his interview about the resistance training revolution. So I immediately went out and pre-ordered it from Audible and from there on I was hooked.

Starting point is 01:27:36 And so thanks to you guys, my 18-year-old son is now running a version of Anabolic. He's a regular listener. Last year he did his school entrepreneur, she got a case study on Mindpop. So you guys are reaching the next generation. So you're down there that can make a difference. You're getting them. That's awesome. That's awesome. Thank you for showing that.

Starting point is 01:27:56 Thank you. All right, thank you so much guys. Appreciate it. Look for you in the private forum. Yeah, thank you, girl. Thank you. From jealous, you, girl. Thank you. I'm jealous. That's a great deal. I love when clients are like this detail. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:28:11 Like she sent it for the, I don't know if we will put this on the YouTuber dot, but she sent pictures of right where the pain is. She's showing us like what she can do on a right versus. Yeah, because I've not seen that. I would have thought by September inflammation, when people say French shoulder, you know, but that's the AC.

Starting point is 01:28:25 I had AC joint separation. Yeah, that happened to you. I did, you know, the whole core zone shot, didn't listen. Oh, you did the core zone shot? Well, yeah, and that's why I had to get it resected. They had to go insurgically. So now my left shoulder's never gonna be a stable

Starting point is 01:28:36 as my right, because I don't have an AC joint on that side. I mean, it's a common one. It's common in football, because they hit with their shoulder. Sock always in like, if you fall on bikes too, a lot of times, like, you get that dislocation quite a bit. Yeah. And then that's totally what happened though. She fell off her horse and that's what happened, right?

Starting point is 01:28:52 I mean, it's almost certain that that was the injury. She healed from it, so she thought she was better, but it forever changed her recruitment pattern. So now she just needs to work on that. Yeah. But before she does all these shoulder cars and like, you know, controlled, particular rotations, it's important that she goes. Can you do hand cuff with rotations? Or is that is that no, I can you can. Yeah, but I noticed my left, I mean, I made up a lot.

Starting point is 01:29:12 I mean, great. Of the stabilization because of, you know, I've built strength and stuff around, but I can tell I can tell when I move in certain ways that it's like 95%. I don't think I'll ever get to 100%. Our next caller is Spencer from Canada. Hey Spencer. How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going good? So I guess My main question here is related to barefoot lifting. I know you guys talked about it in a few previous episodes But I just wondering if there's ever a point where barefoot lifting could be Bad for the ankles and feet if you were to lift enough weight.

Starting point is 01:29:46 So to give you a bit of background, I've been lifting for almost 10 years, since I was about 13, I'm 22 now. And for the past six or seven years, I've only lifted barefoot for legs and stuff. And I'm just wondering if deadlifts in like the 400s and 500s for, well, I'm not that big. I have about 5'5, weigh about 130 pounds. And I want to get up to a 405 deadlift. And I don't use any belts or any other gear, but I'm just wondering if like eventually it gets to a point where it's too much weight for the feet and ankles or if wearing shoes would be better for that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:30:23 No, not if you do it. Not if you do it. Not giving you that much support. It's like this. Look, let me reword the question so you can understand what it sounds like. Right? It's like, okay, hey, guys, I love to do heavy barbell rows. Is there going to be a weight that I'm going to use that's going to be too much and

Starting point is 01:30:37 maybe hurt my hands? Or is there a weight that's going to be too much that's going to hurt my shoulder? There's always potential weak links and you can lift beyond the weak link and hurt yourself, but there's nothing unique about the feet or the ankles where we need to be specially scared of training them. The reason why this can be an issue with people is because they always wear shoes and they always train in particular way.

Starting point is 01:30:59 But no, I mean, you could lift too heavy for your back or for your shoulder or for your pack too. As long as you train properly, you're totally fine. The only difference was be if you were to wear shoes the whole time and all of a sudden now you want to get it to barefoot, lift again, lift heavy. And on top of that, not have that stable support system you've built through the strength of your feet.

Starting point is 01:31:19 So you've already, it sounds like you've been training this way for quite a long time. So I don't see any. I was also just wondering, because this isn't quite related to it. The last, I haven't tried any heavy singles on squats and dead lifts in many months, but a while ago, like the past two times I got to the end of strength phases, I ended up hurting my right foot. One time was, I fractured it, break dancing.

Starting point is 01:31:43 And then the second time is I was trail running and I sprained my ankle. So they weren't related to lifting it all, but because I hurt the ankle or the foot, I couldn't go for like the heavy maxes anymore. And then that started to make me wonder, I wonder if like there's a point where lifting barefoot is too much, but like you said, it sounds like no. That's not really that's not really if you notice any compensation or anything like have you done any sort of unilateral training for a bit to kind of see if there's maybe some underlying compensation you have because of those injuries? I found the the fractured foot

Starting point is 01:32:20 that recovered pretty well that was more just like but hitting the ground too much the spring nangle is I am still like slowly going through that now, but I do quite a bit of single leg stuff anyways. Like I find most of my single leg lifts are actually like a lot better than what I would expect compared to my strength on bilateral exercises. So I don't think there's really too much of an issue there. It was just an unfortunate like rock on the trail and stuff like that Okay, 708 walk

Starting point is 01:32:50 No, that's fine to me injuries injuries happen when We we move beyond our capacity to stabilize and support what we're doing and that can happen in any part of your body Feet ankles back could happen in your knee Could happen any moving part. So body. Feet, ankles, back, could happen in your knee, could happen in any moving part. So there's nothing specific or special about the foot or ankle where we need to be very careful. It's just that people always train with their,

Starting point is 01:33:14 it was where shoes all the time. And so that's when it can become a problem. It's like if you always lifted with a belt, then you took the belt off, you would have a instability in your low back and core because you've always relied on a belt. And the truth is, that makes a lot of sense. Even though you rolled your ankle and have injured yourself doing other things,

Starting point is 01:33:35 you probably had less of an injury because of the fact that you've gotten stronger, feet and ankles than the average person. I know other people who rolled their ankles on steps and ended up tearing ligaments and stuff. I was going pretty fast down the mountain and I ended up just walking back down. I didn't even think it was that bad. Like I know, none of my injuries had been

Starting point is 01:33:58 too severe considering. You're doing the right thing, bro. Yeah, that's all great. And also, I just wanted to say thanks to you three. I'm actually a personal trainer, went into it mainly because of you guys and being doing that for a couple of years now. Now I have my own studio as well.

Starting point is 01:34:14 And you guys are really what inspired me to get into personal training in the first place. Oh yeah. That's awesome man. Good job. Is that a Bob Ross painting behind you? My chance. Bob Ross.

Starting point is 01:34:24 Bob Ross. This is, I don Bob Ross. This is probably too young for Bob Ross. What do you mean? That's key black. When we're done, you can Google this is good. You could Google Bob Ross and see what's going on. No, I know Bob Ross. He's being in means that I've seen at least. Yeah. The name still keeping alive. Good. Okay. Awesome. All right. Thanks for following him, man. Yeah. Thanks so much. See you, buddy. All right, buddy. This is no different than the we used to get this a lot back in the day. Maybe not so much anymore, but I would get people who are like, Oh, you lift weights. You should need to wear a belt. If you don't wear a belt, you're going to hurt yourself. There's nothing particular

Starting point is 01:34:59 about a particular or special about particular parts of the body is just there are weak links. And if you train beyond the capacity of that weak link, then the injury potential goes out. You'll know that limitation right away. That's right. I mean, Justin brought up the one good point, so I think that, and I remember, even though it's not common, I would see someone do this,

Starting point is 01:35:15 like with maybe deadlifting or squatting, but I do remember when like the whole barefoot thing got really popular, and all of a sudden, you'd have somebody who's never... People went from zero to six. Yeah, and also they're running it running a mile and barefoot or some of that. Like that would be a bad idea. Like if you've never trained barefoot jumping to your PR deadlift or squat barefoot,

Starting point is 01:35:32 probably not a good strategy whatsoever. But a kid like this who's been lifting barefoot for the last couple of years and been seven years. Is it seven years? Yeah. Seven years and he's been progressing the way. I mean, that's fine. Yeah, you're good.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2164: The Truth About Becoming Muscle Bound, Ways to Fix Front Shoulder Pain, the Pros & Cons of Training Barefoot & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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