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Starting point is 00:02:36 to promote things like ice cream and candy and pour food choices, making the case that they're fine to eat that way. It's okay, as long as your calories are low, it's real. They don't disclose this by the way on social media. You just think it's a health expert. It's a nutritionist telling me that it's okay to eat ice cream. It's okay to eat candy. It's okay to eat these healthy things.

Starting point is 00:02:56 I need to have a grain heavy diet. Well, looks like they're paid off. They're not real. So the war is real. They're waging a war on our health. Claim it, claim your health. You own it. Don't listen to the terrible messages. You getting this from your conspiracy theorist magazine against me.

Starting point is 00:03:12 No, no, I saw a rob wolf actually put it. Oh, it's mean. Yeah, it's all I'll read circulating right now. Yeah. No. So the food industry ready for this? Who's paying them though? This is this is in the Washington Post. Okay. This is going all over the place. People are losing their minds. I'm not surprised, by the way, right, for this? Who's paying them though? This is in the Washington Post, okay? This is going all over the place.

Starting point is 00:03:25 People are losing their minds. I'm not surprised, by the way, right? I mean, I'm not surprised either at this, but I mean, the fact that it came out is interesting. Yeah, exactly. So the food industry pays influencer dieticians to shape your eating habits. As the World Health Organization raised,

Starting point is 00:03:39 questions a summer about the risks of a popular artificial sweeteners, a new hashtag began spreading on social media accounts of health professionals, safety of Aspertaim, right? So that's kind of how it started. So there was a registered dietitian, two and a half million followers on TikTok talking about, you know, how good it's fine. It's not bad for you.

Starting point is 00:04:03 There's people talking about how soda is okay, it's great, it helps satisfy the desire for sweetness. And what they're not telling you is they're being paid by American beverage. It's a trading lobbying group that represents Coke and Pepsi and other companies. So they found at least 35 posts from a company. How much of a scumbag do you have to be to like take,

Starting point is 00:04:24 as a dietician, your main job is to help these people that are struggling with things like obesity and to take money from that side to promote bolster. You know, if you've been listening to the show long enough, you remember that we had beef with IIFYM early on. We made shirts about it and everything like that. I don't remember what the shirts had, but it was like F, IIFYM or some shaders. I don't remember what we put on the shirt,

Starting point is 00:04:47 but it was like I think I F I M. So that's what it was. That was actually what caught the the attention of Lane and how we met Lane Norton. And we got the first time and we did all that. But we the problem that we had, and this was with our own space and the influencers that were coming out and that we're talking about I F I M and promoting junk food. We're basically saying, Hey, as long as it fits in your macros, it's so good. It's so great. Yeah, it's fine and calories, a calorie type of deal. And as long as you are managing your calorie budget. And I know we had a problem with that from right out the gates, not because that's not true, but because we understand the behaviors that come with eating

Starting point is 00:05:22 highly processed foods and the way these foods are engineered and that all the clients that I ever trained that were struggling with weight gain, letting them eat foods like this was a terrible strategy, even if they were managing their calorie budget because the inevitable would happen. Eventually, they would get addicted to these foods or they couldn't control the cravings or they go off the deep end. Yeah, it just makes you feel like crap. It's not a great approach. It's a terrible approach.

Starting point is 00:05:44 But yeah, it's, so with this, and you know what they say, the tip of the iceberg, this is the tip of the iceberg, okay? But what they found is that the trade group that I mentioned, American beverage, paid and undisclosed them out. We don't know how much they paid, to 10 registered dietitians, as well as a physician and a fitness influencer, to use their social media accounts to blunt the claim that Aspertain, which the study came out or the World Health Organization came out

Starting point is 00:06:10 and said it may be carcinogenic. So this is the tip of the iceberg. You know if this is, they've found out that there's gonna be much, that there's much more out there. For example, they did a review and they found 68 dieticians are probably a part of this. But there's got to be a lot more than that.

Starting point is 00:06:29 Doug, who is the company? What's the name again, so? American beverage. Okay. They represent Coke. Yeah. Who's affiliated with them? Who's affiliated with them? Coke and Pepsi is what I read there. The ones. Yeah. Yeah. Much more. I think about what Coke owns. A bunch of so let's dieticians out there. Did you see that? Did you? I think I'm thinking about what Coke owns. A bunch of slowest dietitians out there. Did you see that? I think Jackie shared it in our group today. I think I actually wish she shared it.

Starting point is 00:06:49 Was the AI generated Coke? Oh yeah, the flavor. That's like the news. See what that is. I wonder what's gonna, how they're gonna, you know, what AI used, what metrics or data it used to create a flavor that would be.

Starting point is 00:07:03 Okay, so that was, I was trying to wrap my brain around the same thing too. Did you take did you think AI took All the most popular beverages and then mix the flavors together or like what I mean No, I did that when I was a kid it didn't take yeah Yeah, of course No, when it brought I'm guessing but I'm assuming AI Took the most popular beverages try to find what's in. It probably went through what we know about palatability and tried to formulate, like food scientists do, something that's...

Starting point is 00:07:32 The video made it like a cotton candy flavor. That's enough to me. Oh, that's tough. To turn down. That's my favorite cotton candy, so... Why is your not a cotton candy soda? It's a good question. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:07:43 I don't know. Has anyone tried to do that? Yeah, all the air. I don't know. I don't know. Has anyone tried to do that? Yeah, all the earth. They've done grapes. I mean, they've done almost anything. Yeah, they've done the cotton candy grapes, which are to die for by the way. If you've not had cotton candy grapes,

Starting point is 00:07:53 that's crazy. That is a mess. So this is what's crazy about this is that they've been influencing the information that we get for a long time. This is not new, okay. It's not new. They've influenced government policy and regulations and what the messaging comes from government. They've influenced what goes into back in the day, magazines, TV

Starting point is 00:08:14 shows, news articles. Social media is just an extension of that. So how are they going to control social media? It's so much more nearer to our association. I mean, like institutions, they've influenced education, they've influenced food pyramids, they've influenced. I've said this before, I'll say it again. And this, I posted this in a flu because I think it really resonates. Science is objective.

Starting point is 00:08:37 Scientists are not. So you can have objective data, but the people presenting it are still human. They could still be influenced. They could still be influenced, they could still be corrupted, just like all these dieticians were paid. And now I know what, they're probably justifying it by saying,

Starting point is 00:08:52 well, we have data to show this. And I guess if you, and so they're maybe making themselves feel better, but it's terrible. It sucks because it puts consumers in this position where they're like, what do I believe? What do I trust? Just make oil at that point.

Starting point is 00:09:08 So much. Not so terrible. Okay, so does it get you mad? Because the inevitable this is going to happen, right? Like, we live in a capitalist society. You have the ability to pay, to lobby, to outcompete, to advertise and market, it's almost, I have a hard time,

Starting point is 00:09:27 because it's almost dumb for them not to do it too. Yeah. Well, if you're in, if you know how powerful social media is, you know how powerful. You should always get backlash though. They should always get a slap for doing the wrong thing. I mean, should they get a slap or is this purely just like the better information should out compete it?

Starting point is 00:09:45 I mean, how do you, so here's a deal. So that's why I'm coming up. I'm coming up. I'm tired of it. I get over it because as a consumer, I'm saying not in terms of regulation. Yes, I get fired up, but that doesn't make me say, shut it all down or regulate it.

Starting point is 00:09:59 I would rather have 50,000 sources of information that I can sift through than one that is controlled. That's what I get. So you're so okay I okay, I can't get behind that. I'm more mad at world health organizations than I am. I'm just I'm just mad that this That's a that's a body that we're paying to regulate shit as it is and if you're not doing a good job of doing shit like I mean, there's so much they lost my track. Yeah look here's a few other podcasts. I I mean, there's so much, they lost my track. I can't. Look, here's a few. The whole other podcast.

Starting point is 00:10:24 I, this is human nature, okay. And I think it's better today than it was in the past because at least we have, you know, we have the ability to put our voice out there. There's lots of people out there that are now presenting good information. I think people are more informed, or at least at the very least have more access

Starting point is 00:10:40 to good information, you know, before, when they controlled and put out terrible information, you had like two sources. So if you couldn't get through the gatekeepers, you couldn't put your stuff out there. Mine pump wouldn't exist 30 years ago. If we were gonna put on a magazine or have to go through official government,

Starting point is 00:10:58 you know, whatever the decree is, or whatever the message is. So at least today, you can find the right information. It just annoys me because it's still happening. But look, it got found out, and we know these people are, and there's more that are out there like that, you know? Well, just, I mean, I guarantee they thought that they weren't ever gonna get found out, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:18 and that's sort of the motivation behind it. It's like I can take, you can just make justifications for, yeah, presenting this information out there because you can kind of spin it. But that's the thing on the consumer to me. It's like if if you see corruption and you see like, uh, deliberate lies, uh, and persuasion like that, you have to stop following these people. Do you, okay, remember we talked like a while back and I was telling you guys some of the stats on like social media like that, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:47 are we gonna see like the decline of it? We've already seen the peak and it's gonna slowly start to, and maybe it won't die completely, but it's gonna get less and less popular or like less, like more and more people are aware of the, how addictive it can be, more and more people are aware of like false news that's coming out of this.

Starting point is 00:12:03 Yeah, I don't know how good it can be talked to. Yeah, exactly how the algorithm can be toxic. So you have more and more movements are aware of like false news that's coming out. Other algorithm could be toxic. Yeah, exactly how the algorithm could be toxic. So you have more and more movements around, you know, consuming less social media. Do you think we've already reached the peak power of it and it's actually going to go the other direction or do you think it's going to get more powerful at times? Oh, I think with AI, it's going to get really, it's going to get way worse. I think AI is gonna be way smarter and way more subtle in how it manipulates people

Starting point is 00:12:28 and how it can be used. So, no, I don't think we've hit the peak. Oh, really? I do think the curtains come in opening up a little bit more in terms of some of this fuckery that's out there. So I think we hit peak. I think we've hit peak. I think all you're seeing now too is like things like threat.

Starting point is 00:12:44 They're all starting to out compete with each other for more attention, more eyeballs. More people are becoming aware of it. I think AI is actually only gonna make us more skeptical. I think more, as this is coming out, I mean, I've already had this happen, you just happened to me just other day. Just I think Justin like rained on my parade.

Starting point is 00:13:01 I was like looking at these sick ass like houses. Bro, look at this, we gotta go this and say, bro, that's AI. It's not even a real place. Yeah. Like, what? I was like, I was Googling it like all day, like trying to find out why I wanna go find this place in Italy where I wanna go try and do that

Starting point is 00:13:15 cause I did the same thing. I saw a few properties. I was like, oh my God, is this like an Airbnb? Yes. I was searching for like this. It was totally fake. I was searching for these things. Yeah, it's just, it's just AI generated cool places

Starting point is 00:13:26 Aren't you seeing okay? It's super popular right now. Okay. You saw our kids. I saw a messy house The other day they just did Ronaldo and Saudi Arabia. Yeah, they're all fake. Yeah, they're all AI Gendered yeah, so but there was like ones that would look like short-term rentals and that was like searching every other Like you know, I'm Influencers getting follow yes, you have so I don't you think that so here's every other guy's like, you know, there's a high influencers getting followers. Yes, you have. So I don't you think that. So here's more people become aware like that.

Starting point is 00:13:50 Like now I'm so skeptical. I see something cool and I first default to. Well, that's okay. So just like your BB thing. Here's not real. You gotta prove me otherwise. That was real. Yeah, there's a dude in a little,

Starting point is 00:14:03 he did it with slow camera. He, they shot a pellet gun at him and he cut the pellet in half with the Sumerite sword. It's real. It's a real video. Anyway, put it up for people to watch for themselves. Probably anyway. No, no, that was real. Listen, you're the most skeptical person here. I always got to break your balls about this. But look, do you now see just how do you think this is or do you see now how deep this is? The game, or do you still think it's like a few people on everything's great? No, I never, I actually said, are they? My point, yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:14:32 My point was that it's not just a few people. It was never an answer that. I don't think it's a few people. I don't think there's like somebody at the top who's like colluding from it's happened. I think it's, we have a very corrupt, moralist world that a lot of people have a lot of money in power and when a lot of people that have no moral compass.

Starting point is 00:14:51 So then, and that's why I think it looks like it points, not to get all like crazy and biblical, but that's why it looks like it all points to like, a Satan or a bad person. When everybody throws out lines of the Anunnaki, when everybody throws out, of the Anunnaki. When everybody throws out morals and values, or they worship things like power and money, and that is their God or that is their main focus

Starting point is 00:15:13 or thyself, then you're going to get this, it looks like it's all being right. And one could probably make the case if you're like a spiritual person that you would say like it is. Satan is at the top of this. These are all the people that are colluding for him. But I just don't think it's working that way.

Starting point is 00:15:28 I think this is what happens when you dismiss those values. And then so all these bad things look like they're so aligned together. That's my theory of how I think it's fucking three bad dudes with lots of money going on. I think in some cases it might be like that, but I agree with you actually. So here's why I think it's gonna get worse

Starting point is 00:15:47 because we put that right there. Can we clip that right there? It's the only time ever. Yeah, it's like every time you say something, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just use that real hard repeat. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:15:56 I can't tell the guys I want to. I want it in a ringtone. Just so yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I'll sell it down to you. I agree with you. You're right, Adam. So here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:16:04 This is my fear. Well, fear, I think this was going to happen. We went from very trusting. Oh, this is the official message. This is real. Government says this. News says this. This is what's happening.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Yeah. To, oh, we're not trusting things. We trust nothing. When you trust nothing, that's also not good. We've got to have an example of this. What you think? There's got to be an example in history where we all believed one way or we took a source as true and then eventually distrust came and then eventually we either dismissed it

Starting point is 00:16:37 or we just like scoff at it. Well, what's got to be an example of this? Well, if you look at the, when people explain kind of what happened in the Soviet Union, they would change the official information so much and there were so many spies, so many people that would report what was happening around you, right? So there were so many people that would report that what was around you, that people stopped, they just were like, what do I believe now? Right. Just tell me what to say and what to believe.

Starting point is 00:17:03 And then they would keep things themselves or within very close. So is that your fear is that we get so much distrust and disbelief and all this stuff that's being put out all the time. And we just completely hand it over to say. That we just submit. That we go, we go. That's not free to do.

Starting point is 00:17:18 Somebody tell us what to believe. We are going to demand. It's so un-American. Listen, we're going to demand for an arbitrator of truth. When it gets so crazy that we can't trust anything, that AI is making videos, they're putting out information, people are going to say, we need a seal of real, of authenticity, and who's going to do that government?

Starting point is 00:17:39 Mind pump. And then it's going to be like, watch the video, oh, that doesn't have the authenticity seal on it. I don't believe it. Only the things that go through this governing body are going to be like, watch the video, oh, that doesn't have the authenticity seal on it. I don't believe it. Only the things that are go through this governing body are going to be what I believe. That's my fear. It's going to go super decentralized all the way back to something. So the only reason I don't think of that because I think so much of the distrust comes from

Starting point is 00:17:57 the government already. So I think that so many people already are not come from, but some people distrust the government already that them deciding the, you know, who's authentic seal of the governing body, I feel like they're the first people that are going to be like, hell no, not them. So I mean, what would make you think that with all this distrust, all this bullshit that we see even in the whole political landscape, what's happened last three years that, and we were all seeing all this, like, oh, I don't believe, I don't know what to believe.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Oh, by the way, hey, government, would you tell us what to or could you hire a governing body to tell us what's real and what's important? That's still wins. It still wins, especially during times of massive uncertainty and fear. People will still look, if the, if shit went down right now, it wouldn't be hard to convince people to want martial law. It wouldn't be hard for people

Starting point is 00:18:46 to say, yes, spy on everybody. It's already happening. spy on everybody. Yes, take all the weapons away. God, we need some law and order. Just control it all. You know, do it for us because it's scary. I think when the information so you distrust everything, you'll want that, you'll want something to be able to rest your, I guess, your trust on. And I think we're going to demand it. And then we'll feel like it's under our control because we could vote for the people, you know, type of deal. That's my big fear. But here, this is where right now, where right now is this. It's still happening. And in fact, it's, it's more pervasive and they're getting smarter with it. I mean, look at the

Starting point is 00:19:24 messaging around meat and how we continue to hear this message that meat is unhealthy for you. It's that's so wrong, it's not even funny. And now you think why? Well, because if you don't eat meat, you're gonna buy their products that they can patent. Bottom line, the bottom line is if they could patent meat,

Starting point is 00:19:43 they would have by now. If you could have a cow and be like, this is mine and you can't sell this meat anymore, then they wouldn't be selling this message. So we're still in this weird, I don't know, it's it's strange, but it's annoying because these are dietitians. So imagine you as it, imagine us putting out a message. Yeah, it's a super dirty, bro. Like, imagine I put out a message and then someone listens to what I said and said yeah, but this Registered dietician said this and now I got a counter this registered dietician I mean we've had that challenge our whole career right? That's why it's so frustrated Yeah, I know I get it. Okay, so I was sticking with crazy

Starting point is 00:20:16 You got I've been waiting to talk with us because I didn't know until five minutes ago or whatever the The fake aliens that we have now what is this all in Mexico? Oh, yes, they're having a, I know you fools would be all over my life. So, yeah, it was Congress. Yeah, it was so it was presented in front of Congress. So it's not like they're acknowledging that these are real, they're investigating the evidence that's being presented to them. And so this is like kind of a process they're going through. I think we went through this with like, UAPs or whatever, and they started to kind of look at a lot of information that we actually have gathered and data points

Starting point is 00:20:49 If it's presenting leans exist or not to Mumified alien body. Yeah, there was three other two others. There's two and if you look at them Looks fake as it looks like a tiny ET like literally they watched ET and then they made like a paper mishae. It looks like a six grade kids science project. Well, they CT scanned them and saw skeletons and there's like organs inside them. Yeah, so we're the DNA test.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Not well, here's why they're calling it a hoax because the same people that presented it were already caught in a previous hoax. Oh, okay. And really, so, okay. Here's another good point. So they got them from Peru, apparently from a cave. This is a story I believe, right?

Starting point is 00:21:30 And so they transported them to Mexico. How do you get across without that being investigated? Did you see this? That was the first time seen it too. They would be illegal. Yeah, I saw them yesterday. Yeah. Dude, but they're cute.

Starting point is 00:21:48 They're cute. Wow. Dude, come on. How do you hide those, you know, going through customs is my point. So now the claim, it's all claims. So far, there's nobody doing like you said DNA test or anything like that, right?

Starting point is 00:21:59 From what, is that true, does it? Because I think it's, yeah, there's no DNA test. Yeah, no, I don't think it's presenting that. That was the first thing I wanted to see. And so that looks just like so face. It looks like the one from men in black, the one that's like, you know, like driving a body. It's mummified.

Starting point is 00:22:14 Have you ever seen a mummy? They don't look real either. Have you seen a real mummified human? Well, yeah, it also looks not real. Try now, but I mean, look how tiny that little guy is. Well, you know, they might not be big. That's so weird. It is so weird. It's, you know, they might not be big. That's so weird. It's so weird.

Starting point is 00:22:25 It's, you know, it's even more weird to all the stuff happening right now. That's weird. Yeah, well, I'm always like, what are we missing out there? What's happening that's a lot bigger that they're shifting our attention from? Speaking of which, dude, my wife,

Starting point is 00:22:38 you know, dude, she screwed up big time. So she got me in a prank. Really good. Oh, you're saying this thing? this and the reason why she screwed up is You never like ladies. I'm ladies listening right now. Don't start a prank war with a guy Because we're the worst at it. We just this is why I don't I don't this why we don't prank each other because we know what'll happen It'll be so Escalate fast. Yeah, there's no

Starting point is 00:23:06 Let me know escalator. There's no limits. Those are like the good two buttons But listen how she got me though. She got me so good right so we were outside were with the kids and I don't remember what I was gonna get on her phone. I was in a sense up for us I'm like, oh, yeah, what's your pass go again? She tells me and turn like doesn't work She's like no, it's that and I tried again. It didn't work So then she gets her phone obviously her face opens it and I'm like, but't work. She's like, no, it's that and I tried it again, it didn't work. So then she gets her phone, obviously her face opens it. And I'm like, but your passcode didn't work. She's like, that's my passcode.

Starting point is 00:23:29 So she closes it, tries it open again. She's like, what the hell? Try it again. And it locks the phone. I think it locks it initially for like a minute or two minutes. So now I'm like looking at her like kind of sideways, like, is that really your passcode?

Starting point is 00:23:41 Are you trying to hide something? She's like, no, I swear to God. So then she's going and she tries it over and over again. She's like, that's been my past coat forever. I did remember it after she told me that it was her past coat and it wouldn't work. So she locked herself out again. So now she's getting really frustrated

Starting point is 00:23:54 and like, what the hell happened? A couple days earlier, her phone had just randomly shut off and then restarted itself. She didn't do anything to it. She just turned off, turned back on. So she's like, is this a glitch? Like this is so weird. So she tried it again.

Starting point is 00:24:08 And again, this is the passcode she's had in her phone for years. Doesn't work, doesn't work. Locks it. Eventually gets locked out for an hour. Now she's pissed off. She's like, I need my phone. I have to go to this appointment tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:24:19 I don't remember the address. I gotta do this thing tomorrow. Like what's this is so crazy. So we go online and we look up up like my passcode isn't working. Of course, what does it say? Did you remember your actual passcode? No, Ted, but he was like, that was it. This is weird.

Starting point is 00:24:33 So we're going through and it says, oh, if you updated your phone, some people who updated their phone might have a glitch. And it's not working. So here's what you got to do. And you got to restart the phone and wipe it clean. And if it's backed up, thankfully, then you can get it back on or whatever. So she's what you gotta do and you gotta restart the phone and wipe it clean and if it's backed up thankfully Then you can you know get it back on or whatever

Starting point is 00:24:47 So she's going through this meanwhile. She's talking about all this weird stuff that's been happening on her phone Like yeah it turned off and then the other day like an app open when it wasn't supposed to Meanwhile when we're trying to do it we had to connect it to her laptop a couple like tabs opened up on their own So now I'm like my cockles are up a little bit, just because that's always what happens, right? So I'm like, what? She's now, and she's pissed off. So then we're sitting there, and she was trying to restart it

Starting point is 00:25:13 or set it to factory settings. And for whatever reason, the way we were doing it, which was recommended by Apple, wasn't working, and she would get the pinwheel of death, you know, that just spins forever. So this is happening. I'm like, what the hell? So she comes and sits down next to me. I'm like, just wait. Let's see if it fixes itself. Let's just let it happen. So we're seeing there. While she's seeing next to me, I get a text.

Starting point is 00:25:35 It's from her phone. I open it up. It says, this is the US government. We have possession of your wife's phone and data. And we're going gonna be reviewing it. So I look at it. Wow, dude, this is a lot of work. So I look at it, and I'm like, and I look at her like, what? She's like, what is it saying?

Starting point is 00:25:55 I read it to her, and I'm like, making this face, right? She starts cracking up. You, now. What should you do? Go get her laptop and do it. What should you do? So the whole thing wasn't the prank. That actually happened. Okay, so that she was on her phone. But that's what you do the whole thing wasn't the prank that actually happened

Starting point is 00:26:05 Okay, so that she was on her phone. She was like a computer computer to fuck with me So there was like a 32-second period there. Where my heart kind of jumped and I'm like obviously on her That's a good one. Yeah, that is a good one. She's cracking up and I look what is she gonna do to him? I don't even know she's so fucked. I'm gonna get her back I don't know what I'm gonna do, but it's gonna be bad I'm gonna get her back. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but it's gonna be bad. You son of a bitch. That's a good talk about knowing you really well

Starting point is 00:26:28 to know that that would be something that would be. I told her I'm like, I'm gonna terrify you so bad. Yeah, I told you. Yeah, it just gets worse. It escalates like it with guys. You don't want to be a shoe wise phone dude. It's gonna be bad bro. I'm just gonna come out one day

Starting point is 00:26:42 and go to the store cars gone. Room my car. Oh, you. They let the prank last like two days now. Yeah, I got all kinds of heat yesterday because I did the day and the life right on the push by the way I was so late to that. I fell so bad, I'm like, oh my God, of all the reminder,

Starting point is 00:26:56 I'm never late on that stuff and I totally fucked up. They only reminded you twice. Yeah, I was getting DMs, where are, yeah. Who's doing it? I did day and the life and I did a bunch of questions and so that and somebody asked me, what are red flags with body hiring, a body building or a men's physique or bikini coach?

Starting point is 00:27:12 How'd you call out a bunch of people? Well, I pretty much call that everybody in this case because I know that every single coach does this and this is what started the backlash and I said that, you know, a quick red flag, the easiest red flag is that they put you on cardio right away when you start prep first thing out the gas. Everybody, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:30 And like, I got so many people was like, what? That's like, of course, everybody, and I said, I did another clip that was laughing. I said, I knew that was going to rile everybody up, but it's the truth. I said, and then just earlier that day, Grace Barga, who we've talked about already is in her prep. She's two weeks out from her show. Did you see her, Grace Barga, who we've talked about already, is in her prep. She's two weeks out from her show. Did you see her, her in-bodies can? No.

Starting point is 00:27:50 Bro. Okay. I mean, she looks shredded that picture. Oh, she's, you brought up the last one. She is now a 10% body fat. Oh, wow. Yeah, so she is shredded. She has lost 20 pounds.

Starting point is 00:28:03 One pound of muscle. That's one pound, That's it. By the way zero fucking cardio Do you know how yeah zero? How impossible that is for black belt. Yeah, that is that is natural. That's the drink natural No cardio 20 pounds off to scale and it's lost one pound of muscle and she was already fit in lean. That's all I want. That's easy. And that I mean, and no cardio. So as so awesome. I mean, she's protected her metabolism.

Starting point is 00:28:31 She's protected her hormones. The after show post contests, it's not going to be this crazy terrible rebound. She's not in a position where she's like doing so much cardio, needing so little. Do you know what her calories are at? She is around, I wanna say. Don't tell me over 2000. Oh yeah, she's over 2000 calories too. You know how many women right now listening?

Starting point is 00:28:55 She's not a big or she's tiny. Do you know how many women listening right now can't believe what you're saying? Well, I told you, my last client that I actually helped was Melissa Woff and she, I got her up to, when we first, when she first hired me, she was eating 1600 calories, normal, not ready for prep, not doing it. That was normal.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Just her normal eating. We worked all the way up to 28 or 2900 calories. When she hit stage and got on and won, she was eating 2200 calories. Yes. So she was literally that much higher on her calories. How annoying is it when people say you can't speed up your metabolism? No, it's so cost. Yeah, 200 pounds. Yes. So she was literally that much higher on her calendar. How annoying is it when people say you can't speed up your metabolism? Yeah, no, it's so cost.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Yeah, no way. Oh, is that where she's at? How is this not influxing right around 2000? Wow, look at that. 144 grams of protein. This is contest diet. Yeah. This is her contest diet.

Starting point is 00:29:39 And at the end, this is her at the, like, so long as she's eating. This is when everybody's unhealthy. 144 grams of protein, 244 grams of carbs, 41 grams of fat. No cardio whatsoever, just strength training. Mom of how many kids you have, two, three? Insane. Insane.

Starting point is 00:29:55 So good. I mean, you could do it if you do it right. Well, so I could do it. Okay, of course, I got all kinds of people asking questions and DMs after this and going around. So one of the reasons, and in defense of the coaches that I know I'm gonna piss off, and then I'm sure that I now have all their clients

Starting point is 00:30:10 that are fucking messaging them, what did my pump atoms say this? And you did this to me. Okay, a lot of these coaches, that's their business is this. It's completely around competitors, and 90% of people that want to compete for a show,

Starting point is 00:30:27 this is the way they do it. I get together with their girlfriend or their buddy and they're like, hey, you know what'd be sick? Let's do a show. Like, okay, let's look at dates. Okay, there's one coming up in November. All right, let's see who can get the most shredded and they do it like that, right?

Starting point is 00:30:40 They pick a show date and then they're like, okay, I'm a higher coach. Who's the best in the business? They hire someone, they're like, hey, can you get me right for the show? Now, the coach is because they need the money and that's their business, say, okay, and they take them on. But the truth, and I never did this, right?

Starting point is 00:30:53 Cause I didn't need coaching these people. It wasn't a major part of my business. It was a thing that I did to help people out because I was competing. My deal was, no. I will never hire, you can never hire me for a show that you've picked because the real prep for a show happens in the off season in the metabolism, in the metabolism that you build and the body that you build happens in the off season. So

Starting point is 00:31:20 that when you go into prep, you can still be in a healthy place and you're in a place that will even allow you to get as Shredded as you want to get because a lot of these girls come in and they're already eating. They're only eating 1600 calories I mean, they want a 16 week diet. Yeah, and they want to get ready in 16 weeks for a show It's like no, it's not happening. It's not happening. So what happens is a lot of these coaches and then they're only, they have to put these girls on crazy hours of cardio in order for them to lose or lean out because their metabolism is already so slow. And then you know what they do is they use anabolic to try their hardest preserved muscle

Starting point is 00:31:55 even though they still lose muscle. Yes. Because all they do, this is what they do. They have two buttons. More cardio and exercise, eat less. More cardio and exercise, eat less. And then there's that third button of, let's add some drugs as you're losing too much muscle. And it's terrible.

Starting point is 00:32:09 It's no wonder these girls come out with their hormones ruined and screwed up. And they rebound with that game that's insane. 20, 30 pounds in the month or two post show. And they feel their emotions, they feel their body is terrible. And by the way, this is why there's a self-selection bias for people with severe body dysmorphia and eating dysfunction because the only people that would go through that all the way through

Starting point is 00:32:34 already have dysfunction relationships. Or they develop one in order to continue because a rational, non-dysfunctional state of mind would say, this is crazy, this doesn't feel good. I'm gonna stop right now. And there's a lot of people that do that by the way. They start, oh wait, this isn't great,

Starting point is 00:32:51 this isn't good, I feel terrible. So for men and women, you should never go into a prep until you have got yourself in a place of at least 800 to 1,000 more calories, then where you want to land for the show. And you want to be in a- That's your buffer. Yeah, and you want to be in a reasonable body fat percentage.

Starting point is 00:33:11 You don't want to go in and you have to lose 10% or 15% body fat to get ready for a stage. And you're on top of that. You're already at moderate calories. It's like, so I could, when someone would present their all their information to me and tell me what they wanted to write, I could look at it and go like, oh yeah, no, you're not in a good place. You're just, you know, even though you don't have runway.

Starting point is 00:33:32 Yeah. You need to have that. And even if I could get you there through all these crazy means of taking drugs and putting you on lots of cardio, just like I am setting you up for so much failure. You're going to have to allow you. It reminds me of plastic surgeons. You ever see like what have celebrities and they have like crazy.

Starting point is 00:33:49 What's the last person, Kathy Griffin? Have you seen what she looks like? Her type of tannity. And you think, who keeps operating on these people? Yeah. Doctors with no integrity. You think Michael Jackson's doctor at some point, you don't think they know like this guy's crazy.

Starting point is 00:34:03 We should not do this. The guy that like self-proclaimed Kendall, like, and he went through and kind of had to shop a lot of doctors because a lot of them turned him away. Because it was like thousands of operations he's had. Yeah, you know, you'll find one to say, that'll take the money, you're an addict, you know? I know, I know, it's crazy stuff.

Starting point is 00:34:20 Anyway, I want to ask you Adam, because I just learned this, I didn't know you were doing this, you kept it to yourself, which is cool. That you have not had any cannabis for almost a month. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yep. Yeah, shut it down completely. Now, what made you stop?

Starting point is 00:34:34 So I- You were less cool. But yeah. His memory was hella sure. No, so, you know, I always knew that- Oh, these days. I knew that once, well, first of all, this is part of also what maybe even leave

Starting point is 00:34:47 the cannabis industry. Like I knew that one day I would have a family and I'm like, I don't have to explain to my kid about, I don't wanna have to, I don't wanna have a conversation about marijuana well before the average person has to have a conversation about marijuana. So I always knew that I was gonna move away

Starting point is 00:35:01 from that industry when I did as good as it was to me. Um, so that was the reason why that originally happened. And then I knew at 1.2, my son would come to an age where I also didn't want him to smell it or see it or, you know, I'm saying, and to get to the place we started asking questions, I actually thought that was gonna be later than what it was. And I had a moment, I don't know if I shared this with you guys. I know I haven't talked about it on the podcast, but it like hit me right in my heart, dude. And this was like about, I don't know, about eight months or so ago.

Starting point is 00:35:32 So it's been on my mind for a while, where I don't, so typically I don't smoke until he goes to bed. That was kind of my routine at night before we go to bed, or I watch it a little bit TV with Katrina. It's a mess in front of him, right? Oh, never, never, never, never, never, never, has he ever seen me do anything like that? Or even it's been in the house where I outside,

Starting point is 00:35:51 right before, right before bed or watch me. Occasionally though, if it's like, especially if Katrina's family because her brother's smoking stuff right in my house, and it's like a Saturday and we're barbecue, and we're doing something like that. Like I'll, you know, I'll take a couple of hits outside within while I'm doing stuff, right?

Starting point is 00:36:06 And I had a time like that, it was like a Saturday and we were barbecued and all families over and so that and the brothers and I took a couple of hits around the corner, nobody deal, right? And like, and literally like maybe a half hour later, I'm in the house and I'm playing with Max and we're messing around and he stops and he looks at me and he goes,

Starting point is 00:36:25 what's wrong, daddy? And I'm like, nothing, what's wrong? He's like, your eyes are hurting. Oh! He goes, your eyes are hurting, and I go, and I'm like, no, no, no. I'm totally like in denial of it like that. And he's like, I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean? He goes, they're red.

Starting point is 00:36:42 Ooh, why are they hurting? What happened? Why are they hurting? He came up and I was like, oh fuck. I was like, they're red. Why are they hurting? What would happen? Why are they hurting? He came up and was like, oh fuck. I was like, oh my god. Never thought that that would happen. Like, because he's young. Of course, of course. And so that was the beginning for me to be like, okay,

Starting point is 00:36:55 like this is gonna happen sooner than I thought. It was gonna happen. So are you trying to quit? Yeah, I know I'm like forever. I mean, I like if you go out with the, you're not fucking really. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna quit at home. You know, I'm like forever. I mean, I like if you go out with the, yeah, exactly. Like I'm gonna quit at home. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:37:07 Like I'm notoriously, you know, I've always, especially since I've been in this space. I mean, I have, I keep, you know, mason jars of my favorite strains and I have like a nice, real nice set up of all this stuff that I keep on hand where I just won't, wow, good for you.

Starting point is 00:37:22 I won't keep it on hand anymore. I'm trying to do something similar, I think, right now. It's, you know what it is. It's not a very, I know some people have, like withdrawal and stuff like that from cannabis. That's not a super big issue for me. I think it's just more that you just get in the habit of like, this is how I wind down, type of deal.

Starting point is 00:37:41 So are you, do you have any withdrawal issues? I actually didn't. My weird dreams. I know yeah, that's been like crazy Yeah, because because I'm used to having it right before bed I usually is like a sleep almost like a sleep aid So I did I did go through a little bit of heart like a harder time falling asleep And like not as good asleep because I've used that as like a sleep aid for so long But it wasn't bad wasn't like any it was you could try So ashwagana will help us with some of the withdrawal symptoms.

Starting point is 00:38:09 Oh really? Organified green juice actually. So that's got ashwagandas, it's also got cordoceps. Now does it matter when, like, because I would normally do green juice if I haven't been consistently, but if I were to use the green juice, I would normally just do it in the day.

Starting point is 00:38:21 Yes. But does it not matter if I do it in the day or right before bed? Usually daily, I'm not gonna get a benefit. No, no, use in the day. Yes, but does it not matter if I do it in the day or right before bed? Is it daily? I'm not going to get a benefit. No, no, use it every day. Daily. Okay. And what will help is it'll help the body regulate,

Starting point is 00:38:31 re-regulate its stress system, because that's what cannabis does. Cannabis affects the endocannabinoid system has a lot of, it has a lot of things that it's responsible for in the body or that it influences. One of them, though, is the way that the body regulates stress. And so when you take it away, your stress mechanisms can be thrown off a little bit, and this is when people will start to feel maybe some of the withdrawal effects. And the stuff that's in the green juice, which includes the ashwaganda, helps more quickly

Starting point is 00:39:03 regulate those. That'll be interesting. Yeah, I will. Because I've been actually really quickly regulate those. That'll be interesting. Yeah, I will, because I've been actually really inconsistent with that, I'll kick that, and I like that anyway. So I'll kick that back up and see if I noticed some positive benefits from it. Luckily that, you know, it's never been like a real hard thing for me.

Starting point is 00:39:17 I've talked on the show many times now. I would intentionally cycle off for like a week or so always, but this time it was the intent was to pretty much quit. Like I, again, I'm also not gonna tell myself like, well, never gonna, it's like not that big of a deal. It's easy as that, man. When you have kids, this is why I tell people, when you have kids, you're either forced

Starting point is 00:39:35 to become a way better person or, I guess, what, what's your option? Nothing, because they will, without even trying, he just, oh yeah, that was just, I was so not ready for that at all and then I didn't even cross for your face. Dude, I had it even crossed for a moment. I had it, if you last night,

Starting point is 00:39:50 so my, my, or really it says he loves to talk, right? I don't know where he gets it from. He loves to talk. And I'm tired right so. We're here. I know. We're watching TV and so everybody always complains

Starting point is 00:40:02 my kids, oh my, everybody complains about watching movies because I talk during movie Oh my god such a that's so annoying. I know. It's an annoying trait, bro Yeah, I know. Is it annoying? You know because you watched it. Oh my god. I'll comment wait for this part It's gonna happen. No, not even that just just talking. Yeah, so anyway, he does it too, but he's too So his stuff is always like why why did this happen? Well, why did that happen? And we're going on and on and on and on It's last night. We'll watch TV and it's late and he's doing that and doing that. And I'm kind of placating him. But, you know, I think we underestimate our

Starting point is 00:40:31 kids' ability to know that we're not like that we're actually getting really interested. Yeah. So, you know, like, you know, talking and kind of like placating him and he's saying, why? Well, why? Well, why? And then finally, he looks at Jessica and he goes, I think I'm talking too much. And he gets real quiet. But it's sad, bro. It's so sad. I sat there. It's so weird. Oh, my heart. Yeah. Brushed because he's get pick up on the social. Dude, I felt so bad. I sat there and I'm like, oh, because I don't want him to feel like his dad doesn't want to.

Starting point is 00:40:57 Well, no, no, that's not a bad. It's not bad. Yeah. Yeah. That's a social cue. That's not bad. Yeah. I think that's actually really cool. It's kind of cool that he actually, yeah, he's aware. Still though, you not bad. Yeah, I think that's actually really cool. It's kind of cool that he actually took her. Yeah, he's aware. Still though, you know what I mean? Cause there's gonna be a way. When he's not gonna wanna talk to me, like half the time.

Starting point is 00:41:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So we're going through this phase again. You know, I had it when he was two. So, you know, I think most moms, or you have had this, and Patrine always tells this story that like it wasn't that way in our family,

Starting point is 00:41:23 it was, I got this, where your child around that like one and a half to two and a half range, they become like, that you can't leave the room, you know what I'm saying? You can't get out, you follow mom everywhere. And so Max did that with me, like I could not leave. It was super tight to you. Unbelievably tight to me.

Starting point is 00:41:40 And it was like, oh, so nice when he hit about three, he finally kind of like, we're going back to that again. But it's not like when he was a baby, it was like crying freak out, he just, he wants to play and wants to be on my hip like everywhere we go. And so literally when I come home, so my sister you guys know, was in town right for the last couple days, which was so nice because he loves his aunt TT. And she comes and like she just, she loves and she loves to just play non-stop with him and he's at that phase right now or that he just wants to go, go, go, play, play, play, play,

Starting point is 00:42:09 non-stop until it's time to go to bed. And so she, I was like the last two nights I've been like, oh my God, so. You're gonna break. Oh, I get a break, you know? And I always, when you're going through that, you're trying to be mindful of that. Like, there's even come a time where he's never,

Starting point is 00:42:22 yeah, he's gonna grow up and I don't wanna play with me, but there's times where it's like, it is exhausting. I come through the door by like three o'clock and he is like from that moment till he goes down. Like, I am full and literally when I go to the bathroom to break in between like that, he's in the bathroom. Just, he's trying to hand the toilet paper to help me to speed me along, so like that.

Starting point is 00:42:42 Are you done, dad? Do you almost done? Like, yeah, son, I'm almost done. Give me a second here, brother. So there are earliest told his sister that, they're just like, what do you want to be for Halloween? He's like, I want to be papa. I want to be papa for Halloween.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Yeah, my God. Oh, man. But we did get him a costume. He's a swamp monster. I just like swamp monster. Oh, I had so ever it told me what he was going to be this year and I was dying dude like him And it's funny cuz like he's he's kind of finding some other friends that are they have a good sense of humor as well

Starting point is 00:43:12 And so they decided to be Not dumbledore but a Gandalf and Saramon oh cool. So they're both gonna be like old men like little old men wizards Oh, so they're both going to be like old men like little old men wizards Like fight. I just think it's gonna look absolutely ridiculous and I was like because originally he was gonna be dumbledore And I was like maybe I should be like Harry Potter and that would look really weird. You know have it a big old Harry Potter Are you gonna dress up with them? Well, we're gonna be on this bro. So So We're on a mission, bro. So, yeah, it's like a total bum super bum. You know, that's one of my favorite holidays.

Starting point is 00:43:45 That's Max's holiday for sure. We're gonna do it in a party one. He gets most of it. Let's talk about this right now. Here's what we're gonna do. You know they have that pumpkin patch and I think there's one in Gilroy. There's some really big ones.

Starting point is 00:43:55 We're planning on taking the kids there, dressing up and making it, because we're not gonna be here. Before hand, yeah. We should all go. We should take the kids and make the thing. Yeah, I'm definitely down to it. I mean, we have to make our own Halloween, right?

Starting point is 00:44:05 Because I'm way down to that. Cause I mean, that's a bummer for me. That's of all the holidays, like he's, I mean, we watch Halloween shit year round. I mean, that's his, that's his gym is like Halloween. So to miss that, and every year Katrina and I have all got, every year we've like gone over the top with our outfits with him, like we've done something all of us together.

Starting point is 00:44:22 So I was, I didn't even realize that that's when the trip was and I'm like, fuck, man, we're gonna miss that. I want to tell you guys that you probably use the red light the most, right? Out of all of us? Yeah, although I've been in, because this is my red light here now. Yeah, so I brought it in.

Starting point is 00:44:37 So I've been using it now for a year. I've been using it for a year, I've been using it for a long time. I've been using it as much. Maybe two months, the most consistent I've done. So I've probably three to four days a week. I'll put myself in front of it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:49 And man, it's... Yeah, your skin looks really good, you can tell. It really... I can always tell when I've been... It really makes a difference. Yeah. I mean, every time I use it, I can tell, but this is the most consistent I've done it.

Starting point is 00:44:59 And I mean, it's exceptional. What it does, like, I can really tell on my skin. I mean, I can see a difference, like, right after I get done with it. I feel like it has, I mean, you look like it right now. You have like this kind of glow to your skin. It's weird how it sounds really weird. I mean, it feels like that, but yeah. Yeah, we can hold this.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Not quite as much as that one time we were on the beach. Oh, yeah. Most high on mushrooms. Just to look that we all weird We were on the beach and Justin couldn't make eye contact No, you can't look him up and looking down like what's going on? He's like I can't look at you I'm like why is it? You're golden like what?

Starting point is 00:45:41 He's like you're just golden was that the first time so shiny? It was the first time wasn't that was a very first time He's like, you're just golden. Was that the first time? He was so shiny. That was the first time. Wasn't, that was the very first time. He was like a golden pony. Yeah, well, I don't know. I was watching the clouds and they were all making shapes and it was great. And then I look at Sal and he's just like, boom, boom.

Starting point is 00:45:56 Yeah. I'm like this asshole. But he was saying that first. At first he was weird. I was just laughing. I was like, look at him, like laughing to myself because I'm the only one seeing this. Yeah, I'm so mad that we have it.

Starting point is 00:46:06 This is the one part about being four dudes, right? That we have not documented all the places that we've stayed now. I mean, looking, but I mean, obviously when we were going through, like, oh, there's only been a few of them, but looking back now eight years later, it's like, there's so many places. And if you were to see, I can vaguely remember that house. That was at,

Starting point is 00:46:25 Paharo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Paharodunes, which we stayed there like three different times. So if we had like a... A book or a book or a book where we could go through and be like, oh, those memories will come out. You know what's going to happen? Because we're going to have pictures. Is the stories are going to morph into life? Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:46:40 We do have some pictures of that. Yeah, some pictures of that. We have a lot. We just need to organize them together to where they're like that, because what's going to happen, because we've, like, parodunes, we've been that parodunes at least three times, I think, we've stayed out there to do programs and things. You know, you're sort of, they start to blend together. It's like, oh, was that that one?

Starting point is 00:46:55 Yeah. And so I wish we'd organized that and put that together. So, vegan, the chosen one, I'm sure you've already read this story. Okay. Or a, not story, study. But I didn't know this. I don't know if you knew this Adam or not, but like, so women, they're eggs. So the comment thought was that like you're you have one sperm that sort of like outcompete and swims the fastest to get there first, right? And it penetrates. But what they found was that the egg actually

Starting point is 00:47:28 selectively puts out like a signal and tells which one specifically it wants to swim faster to get there. So it's actually selecting that sperm. So it's actually like predetermined in that sense. That's why women are the choosers and they are from the very beginning. Even their eggs are choosy.

Starting point is 00:47:47 They are the, they women are put the most evolutionary pressure because they're the choosy ones. And this is just historically. So you know, that makes me feel so weird about, like so we actually, it's funny you're bringing this up, Justin, because literally yesterday Katrina had a consult with the fertility doctor. And I'm there's like, I don't know if you guys know

Starting point is 00:48:09 there's like 10 different types of methods and things that they can do. Like they can do things where they're just, she just uses like a clone it for a little bit or she just uses HCG for a little bit, or you can do the like. Different levels of intervention. There's like all these, yeah, different levels

Starting point is 00:48:24 of intervention. And I'm really like I mean I where I'm at with it with her is just like whatever you want to do like I'm I'm like so whatever about it right now like I'm Max is now to age where originally I thought I wasn't gonna want another one with the gap and so that like I love Love having my son so much that thinking of having the thought of another one sounds awesome. Even I even told her, like I would even do the artificial dissemination where they had high chances of twins. I was like, oh, I'll run through. Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:48:52 Oh, shit. So she's like, I'm like, you're gonna be excited. I have full 180 on her on all that stuff. So I mean, like, what are, but that type of stuff, when we play God, I struggle with that. I don't know if that's my upbringing and stuff like that. I have more of the attitude, I've been this way with her

Starting point is 00:49:07 and it's like, well, it never happens happens. Whatever happens happens. And then it's meant to be. Like it was, it was, I don't know. There's always that line, right? Cause it's like, it's like that joke. What's that joke where the guy's like praying to win the lottery, praise it when the lottery, praise it.

Starting point is 00:49:19 And he finally dies and he goes up to heaven. And he's like, God, why didn't I win the lottery? And God said, I gotta buy ticket. Yeah, I'll take it for you. So maybe that's the plan, right? The plan is for you to do that. I know. I know.

Starting point is 00:49:32 I mean, I think there's a total fair analogy to say that too. Like, obviously, there's gonna be people that are the peers to be like, that's not the way it was intended. And it's like, well, you know, science is evolved and we have these tools and they have helped. I mean, I can think of several people who that has helped them

Starting point is 00:49:47 and changed their life. They wouldn't have been able to get pregnant if it wasn't for science getting involved. And I know that's the best thing ever that happened. If my opinion matters anything, all I know is that you guys make phenomenal parents. So if you guys have a kid, however it is, that it was supposed to be that one.

Starting point is 00:50:00 You want to know something funny? You guys are exceptional parents. You want to know something funny along those lines. You know what really, I think, tip me over. It's so funny that this is the way it went down. And I told a kitchen, because she's like, oh my God, you're so different about this now.

Starting point is 00:50:15 And I'm like, it was actually around the time we were talking in the show and stuff about just, how shitty the fucking world is and just all the all the bad stuff and that and I'm like I actually felt this overwhelming like almost I don't want to say a burden but compelled that you know if we if we do believe that we're really good parents right that like put out some good people I should put out good people yes instead of bitching about all these bad people in the world and how shitty it all is, it's like, listen, if I take being a parent this seriously

Starting point is 00:50:47 and I'm raising a really good fucking kid, maybe it's on me that I should do another one. Absolutely. And another one, like, and so I had a real kind of shift on the way. I was obviously thinking about all the selfish things originally, which is, well, I don't want two kids with a gap and all this gonna be like this

Starting point is 00:51:03 and all the things for me, and I thought, well, if I'm sitting here saying that the world could be a better place, and why don't I make better humans? Oh, it might actually be such a good older brother. He's such a loving kid. I think he'd be the best older brother. Yeah, so that's, yeah, so that's where we're at. I need to have another guy, another girl dad in here,

Starting point is 00:51:22 so I can, we can, you know. But I didn't realize how many different, like, ways they can do this. There's literally like 10 different, like, options that she's had. And Katrina's wanted to do the least that mess with her hormones. That's why she didn't even want to do our artificial insemination because they have to do all kinds of stuff with her. They prep you with, yeah, they have to get your, you into a really, really fertile state. Yeah. And so she's like, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want that.

Starting point is 00:51:43 Which, by the way, the person said, like, you guys aren't, she goes, you guys aren't even really good candidates for that because those people normally can't produce good eggs so they don't have good sperm or they don't have a good sex life. She's like, none of those are you guys. You guys, you have all these, she has extremely healthy eggs. I have extremely healthy sperm. It's just not happening. It just hasn't happened. So it's like, oh, okay, well, whatever you want to do. So she's like literally in the middle of making that decision today as we're talking about. Oh, wow. So we'll see what she decides.

Starting point is 00:52:08 Well, Abe, real quick too. I want to let you guys know. I know we got a bunch of Z-Biotic in the back. I'm going to be taking a few of them with me next week. I'm going to try and take maybe five or six, not just for me. I don't, yeah, I don't, he's that many. Call it down.

Starting point is 00:52:22 Now, we're going to be meeting with Jessica's friends because her friend is turning 40, it's a big deal. There's gonna be a lot of people there, probably a lot of drinking. So I'm gonna take, I'll take them and have everybody try out the Z-Botics so they could see. This is our first commercials since they've been back, yeah? Yeah, I believe so.

Starting point is 00:52:38 So I'm super excited about this. I don't know if I share this with you guys. It's just one of my favorite things that happens to us sometimes is when we have a partnership with somebody for a while. You're gonna talk about this, I am. I don't know if I share this with you guys, it's just one of my favorite things that happens to us sometimes. It's when we have a partnership with somebody for a while. You're talking about the same. I am talking about the same. So, you know, we have partnerships with people

Starting point is 00:52:52 and, you know, we take a lot of pride in doing right by our partners, doing well. We're very selective about who we work with and, you know, I think we do a good job. And sometimes people get so hung up on like, oh, well, you know, we wanna try this, we wanna up on like, oh, well, we want to try this, we want to do that. Or we think the ROI should be this. And we've now had this happen a couple times

Starting point is 00:53:11 where we're about a handful of times where someone decides that like, oh, it's maybe it's not worth the investment to do it. And then they go off and they go test other waters and then they come back. They get a big super bowl commercial and the trancellors soap, the other means, just the little thing. He's a little salty.

Starting point is 00:53:28 Hey, so explain this real fresh, Adam, because I was having a conversation, I'm not gonna say who it was, because we know this person, but I was having a conversation with them, and they were showing me, well, you could spend $100 on a Facebook ad, and try this much back, and this is the all right,

Starting point is 00:53:43 and I try to explain the value of podcasts. And I said, look, it's not just about the return, it's also about the brand recognition, the authenticity, like explain the difference, because it's not all the same. No, it's a massive difference. There's a difference between a random ad that you have no connection, no one's gonna hit you

Starting point is 00:54:03 on a product that you want a good deal on, and you just buy versus a podcast host who you've built a relationship with. I mean, how many times we have guests in the studio right now? We'll ask them, how many times that you feel like you really know us, even though this is the first time we're meeting people in person, but because they've listened to us talk for years sometimes,

Starting point is 00:54:24 have felt like they've built a relationship. They identify with what maybe one of us or all of us in some manner. And so the loyalty that they have to us, and then for us to talk about a brand like that, is different than hitting, then just at random ad hitting like that. And so the power of that, like when you get it like a Facebook ad or a Google ad for that matter or even a commercial on TV, a lot of time it hits an emotional response. I was already shopping for those sunglasses. I like them anyways. And all of a sudden, this commercial hits and it's this reminder that triggers me like, oh, I want to go buy those.

Starting point is 00:54:58 And so it makes me go do that. But I don't have any loyalty to that brand. I don't have any like, oh, Adam said to go do that ourselves. Like, there's none of that where you get that with podcasting and that just creates a better customer. And that customer is going to have a better LTV than just a random person. LTV stands for lifetime value. So this is gonna have so much more weight. And that's one of those things that's really hard to measure in this short term. Because a lot of these people that are really hard to measure in this short term because a lot of these people that are doing advertising, they look at just direct ROI. Like, oh, it's like, well, I spent 10,000 on Facebook ads

Starting point is 00:55:32 and we got back 20,000. I spent 10,000 on your podcast and I only got 15,000. I'll argue all day, for a couple of reasons too, that that 15,000 you got is more valuable because the type of customer that you got is the loyalty they have to us and now your brand is much higher than some random person.

Starting point is 00:55:49 In addition to that, they've already done research on the buying behaviors around podcasting and almost 50% of people don't use URLs. I mean, how many times it's way more than you think? That's right. So if you're getting close to an even return, you can almost guarantee you're actually getting double that return because I mean, I know I'm like this. Like I don't know how many times I've bought a product because I heard a podcast host

Starting point is 00:56:14 or a person that or I follow who I really like, talk about a product. I didn't go like searching, looking up their forward slash back, you know, soot. Yeah, I'm like just to saved. And now some people are like that. Like soot, yeah, just to save. And now some people are like that. Like I have friends that are like to save a dollar, they will scour the internet to find that deal or that percentage off. But most people aren't like that.

Starting point is 00:56:33 Most people are like, if it's a product they're interested or they like, anyways, and some of you all talk. So my opinion, this is just kind of circle back to how I open the podcast is about misinformation, poor information, it's even more valid. Even more now. To have people you trust because, you can like verify it for yourself.

Starting point is 00:56:50 Yeah, because if you listen to us for a long time, you know that we don't bullshit. We know we're so honest that we've even said, hey, we like this product, but tastes like crap. Or hey, we like this, but here's one of the negatives or it's expensive. Like, we're very honest. And we don't work with anybody we don't like.

Starting point is 00:57:04 So even if you have a great product, if we don't like the owner and we don't like the people behind it. Yeah. So you know you could trust us and we're not gonna mess that trust up. But that is more valuable these days because there's so much crap.

Starting point is 00:57:15 Even more to your point what you're saying right now, I mean, think about this, we're in it word now this time where you can't even trust a potential doctor or dietician because they've got, they're lining their pockets and so they're gonna say things to manipulate the product. Crazy paid for. So that just shows you how much more valuable it is to have trust in a brand or trust in a person who's going to recommend brands because it's going to get even more in that direction

Starting point is 00:57:40 in the future. So I really do think that the podcasting space and advertising is going to continue, what has? The trend has been almost doubling every single year. It'll continue down that route, because before you know it, we're going to be so skeptical of AI and ads, like you're not going to know what is, you know, if it's a made up AI generated doctor looking person, spealing out all this information that a company. We still a hundred percent human made on our logo. Yeah, we do. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:07 Yeah. I think it's actually funny, but so good. It's probably going to be like a real thing. I said organic media will be a thing for sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally, I totally believe that. Hey, I want to ask you guys, speaking of like, you know, internet influencer stuff, sharing

Starting point is 00:58:20 our friend. Oh my god, I'm going to, his name's going gonna slip me right now, but it's not the point. I wanted to ask you, Sal. Eggs for shampoo. Oh, that's an old thing. I didn't, I know who you're talking about. Saladino. Yes.

Starting point is 00:58:36 Eggs have been, there's people have used eggs, milk. It's the fat and the cholesterol apparently supposed to be helped the hair be shiny and whatever. That's an old thing, dude. I didn't know that. But my mom did that. She told me she did that when she was a kid.

Starting point is 00:58:49 They really did. They put in her hair and they rinse it out. I don't know who I, you want to put eggs in your hair? Yeah, and then like, I mean, you better wash it real good after that. I feel you do. You think it's hard to get out? Well, I just would, I wouldn't want to need leftovers in there. Watch the rest of the day. Doug, look up eggs for, uh, eggs for healthy hair,

Starting point is 00:59:07 or eggs in your hair or eggs as shampoo. And is it the whole, is it egg whites or the whole eggs? Yeah. Which are your rich hair superfood, vitamin. Okay, so I'm gonna bite and say, uh, I don't know the math on this. It's in shampoo, some shampoos will have egg in it. I wonder how, how reasonable it is to do that financially too. If you had, what a shampoo bottle is worth of eggs.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Oh, you just crack a real egg. I know, I know, but what I'm saying is, we're doing eggs in replace of my shampoo, Cosme 10x. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, because you gotta wash the eggs out. You can't just put eggs in water. You still gotta wash it out. I don't think you can leave the eggs in it. No, you're a thing of it. Is it cost effective, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no idea what shampoo costs, but I mean, $20, $30 bottle may be. I expect you to know more out of any of us. What?

Starting point is 01:00:07 Because he has the most nice hair out of all of us. No, no. Justin definitely takes that. Yeah, I just, I just, yep, this guy washes, he washes it with dirt. Yeah. He's the last person I've asked him about.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Not true. So think about eggs, depending on, of course, if you're using pasture raised eggs too, you know. Yeah. No, like how much are they use pasture raised eggs too, you know. No, like how much are they a dozen? I mean, I know pasture raised are like, what, eight bucks a dozen?

Starting point is 01:00:29 By the way, they used to put mayonnaise in their hair. Yeah, for the mayonnaise olive oil. I remember my sisters did that. They put egg in their hair. Yeah, so what it is, by the way, your hair is not alive. Now, of course the scalp is alive and the root and the last step with the hair itself,

Starting point is 01:00:43 fats coat the fault coat the hair itself, making it feel smoother and softer. Conditioner, by the way, attempts to copy this or mimic this. People think, oh, conditioners, healthy hair. No, really, what does it coats the hair? If you look at hair under a microscope, it's got like these jagged edges,

Starting point is 01:01:00 and what it does is smooths out the jagged edges. Yeah, so it feels egg yolks can contain less of them, which that's the, of every shampoo, which is any mosephire. It combines a water dirt and oils from your hair then everything rinses out. Oh, I guess you don't have to use shampoo. We think about it though, most shampoos have a lot of,

Starting point is 01:01:17 you know, chemicals in them. So that's probably much healthier. I think I want to get to the bottom, because if it's cost effective, because if it's, I mean, okay, there I think being all natural is a great bottom, because if it's cost effective, because I think being all natural is a great answer, but if it's ridiculous, and it's like, oh, can we use just straight soap on your head?

Starting point is 01:01:32 Just question. No, I actually, well, I use my face, my caldera. Oh, okay. So you don't wash it, your head? I do, but so when I do my caldera, what's the shower one? I was, you wash it, I keep it in my shower. Oh, so I just do. So I just do, yeah, I do the whole thing., what's the shower one? I was, you watch it, I keep it in my shower.

Starting point is 01:01:45 I just do, I just do, I do the whole thing. So I don't have to do that. I don't know if that's the right structure. I mean, to answer your question Adam, I think if, you know, it's not that expensive. If you get some reasonably, reasonably priced eggs, like Costco, I think a couple dozen of the free range or pasture raised eggs is like eight bucks.

Starting point is 01:02:05 So that's a watch out. That's a lot of story that she can do. If it's somewhat cost effective, it's definitely natural and okay for you to do that. Like why wouldn't you not do something like that? Is that who you want to give a shout out to Paul Saladina? There it is. We can. I mean, he's got so much controversy around him.

Starting point is 01:02:24 I like Paul. I think Paul's of oh, I don't agree with some of the stuff he says, some of the stuff I do agree with, but I do think he's got interesting. Here's my thought on him. And this is what happens. I feel like when you decide you're going to pigeonhole yourself into like one method or one diet or one way, one modality of training. We see this in the fitness space around trainers that do this with say CrossFit or Ornisteri.

Starting point is 01:02:51 You marry this ideology so much that then going forward, all of your content has to support your narrative. And the inevitable is going to happen after years of creating content, you just get a little like, okay, bro, now you're extreme. And it's like, and now it's a stretch. And it's not realistic. And it's like, because I really like Paul.

Starting point is 01:03:11 He's brilliant. And I think he has a lot of really good information. But when you say, you know, like the carnivore way of eating his food. Fibers bad for you. Yeah, yeah, then you get caught up in a place where it's like, okay, well, for some people, the information you're giving is going to be life changing for them, but then for a large person.

Starting point is 01:03:29 Here's who I think would be the perfect person to check them out. So the shout out to Paul Saladino, if you have autoimmune issues that you just can't figure out what the hell is wrong. What the hell is wrong? I have all these autoimmune issues. I seem to react to everything that I eat. I've got, it's unexplained. I've tried all the work,

Starting point is 01:03:45 I've done the gut health stuff, and I don't know what's going on. Check out Paul Saladino because there is a subset group of people who are like that, Michaela Peterson being one of them, where the stuff that Paul talks about will be life changing. Yeah, I agree. Are you interested in hormone therapy?

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Starting point is 01:04:30 You can see if hormone therapy or peptide therapy is right for you. All right, back to the show. First question is from Brian Patta. Can you successfully bulk while only doing unilateral legwork? I have this fear that if I bulk without heavy squats and dead lifts, the muscle gain won't be as substantial. However, I want to fix my hip shift,

Starting point is 01:04:53 love to hear your thoughts. Okay, so that's the truth. Well, you can bulk it with any strength for you. Anything exercise. Now, here's why you want a bulk when you're trying to balance things out. What you're trying to do is build strength and muscle in the weaker leg.

Starting point is 01:05:06 The bulk is only going to help that process. Now, here's the thing. Yes, squats and deadlifts are some of the best general muscle builders that exist, but there's always exceptions and I'll give you one right now. If you have a big imbalance and you've been squatting in deadlifting for a long time, your body has now adjusted to this imbalance and when you address the imbalance you will send a new novel muscle building signal that's probably going to build more muscle on you and if it doesn't in the unilateral work it definitely will when you go back to the bilateral work after you've corrected the issue. So this is

Starting point is 01:05:40 all part of the same process and a bulk is going to be more beneficial anyway for the reasons I saw. I'll make another case for it. I mean, if you are a consistent lifter and you almost always or have always, into this point, done bilateral squatting, simply going unilateral for the first time in your weightlifting career or, you know, as a novel stimulus is a novel stimulus. And you arguably may pack on more muscle. So there's huge value to doing this. And the point you made about, you know, bulk is like, this is the time that I would not want. You want to put a cut to try to balance out your...

Starting point is 01:06:15 Yeah, no. If a client came to me and the main focus was to balance our body out and we had a pretty good discrepancy from left to right. And we're like, okay, we're gonna do all this lateral work. I would want them at least on a maintenance to surplus. I would not want them in a deficit. That's only gonna be that much more challenging for us

Starting point is 01:06:34 to bounce down. Anytime I'm trying to work on strength, like I wanna make sure that I'm feeding myself adequately. So that way I give my body the opportunity to work on refining that strength. And I mean, there's times to go on a deficit, but in terms of like you focusing on building up that muscle, like that muscle is going to need those building materials. Generally speaking, generally speaking, the only reason why you go on a calorie deficit

Starting point is 01:06:59 is to get leaner. Right. When it comes to any type of improvement in performance or strength or muscle or balance, which is a component of strength, you want to have enough nutrients and of calories to feed that process. So if your goal is to balance out your right to left because my god, my right leg is so much weaker than my left or my knee caves in or I notice like in this case, I have a hip shift. I want to balance this out. Well, if you wanna make the process harder for yourself

Starting point is 01:07:28 or almost impossible, you're gonna go to cut or you're not gonna eat in a surplus. Eating in a surplus means you're eating more calories and nutrients than your body needs to stay the same. But that's the point, you don't wanna stay the same. You wanna gain strength, you wanna gain muscle. So I guess the next question would be how much of a bulk? Well, to balance yourself out, you don't need to stay the same. You want to gain strength, you want to gain muscle. So I guess the next question would be how much of a bulk? Well, to balance yourself out, you don't need to be

Starting point is 01:07:48 in a massive bulk. I would be in a, if you want to maintain whatever body fat percentage are at, a slight bulk will be enough to feed this process. By the way, we had an example like this. You remember we did that episode where that girl called in and she did the Dexascans? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:02 And it showed right to, because Dexascans can get real specific. Like you have this much lean body mass and you're right arm. And you're left arm. Super cool. She did map symmetry, which is our unilateral program. And she built significant muscle, but it all went to the sides that were smaller and weaker

Starting point is 01:08:18 than the stronger sides. So I'll argue that if she did bilateral work, that wouldn't happen. No. Because she was so good at... I was guaranteed it wouldn't happen. That's right she was so good at it. And she guaranteed it wouldn't happen. That's right. So in essence, she gained more muscle going unilateral than she would have going bilateral

Starting point is 01:08:30 all things being equal. And now coming back to bilateral, what's what happened? Crush. Now what might have happened to her is she built the same amount of muscle, but the discrepancy would have stayed the same. So if she let's say she put on a total of four pounds of muscle, she still probably would have built four pounds of muscle from training well and eating a surplus, but it's still what a kept the balance might have been even greater. That's what I would argue.

Starting point is 01:08:54 What I would argue is that greater or at least the same, right? Right. Absolutely. I think sometimes even greater because you get better at training. Less signals so so strong it would pull a lot of the attention. That's right. Imagine. Next question is from Haley Lilly Clive. When I did lift my right knee caves and slightly when pulling up, are there any correctional or mobility exercises to correct this? Here's an easy one. I'll give you an easy because we can get real specific and targeted and we will. We'll talk about more specific movements for hip strength and stability mobility. This may be due to the ankle as well.

Starting point is 01:09:31 But I'll give you something that's kind of easy, okay? If one of your knees is going in, what you want to do is give yourself something that's going to give you feedback. So you have to push your knee out while you do the exercise. It's a very basic way to apply correctional exercise. So what does it look like? Well, let's say my right knee is going in towards the center when I deadlift. I would attach a band around my right knee

Starting point is 01:09:54 so that I have to push my right knee out to maintain tension. That way, when I do the deadlift, not only my deadlifting, but I'm also conscious of pushing my knee out against the band and strengthening the muscle that seems to be too weak, that seems to be causing the knee to cave in. Now the reason why that's general is although that may on the surface correct the issue,

Starting point is 01:10:14 there's still maybe a root problem in not addressing. I may be strengthening my hip abductors, those are the muscles that pull my knee out, but I may not be addressing that, maybe it's an ankle issue that's causing it. So I may be causing a better or creating a better compensation, which is okay, and better than what it was before, but not necessarily ideal. But in this case, and in many cases, this is a very general thing people to do.

Starting point is 01:10:38 Add a little bit of resistance in the direction that you think you need to go and do the same exercise and that, that generally will help. The reason why that's such good general advice is indirectly is going to support what I would say is the most common thing here. It's almost always weak feet, weak hips going on. If you have a band distraction on that knee,

Starting point is 01:10:59 the feet are gonna have to activate to try and help work pushing the knee out. The knee being pushed out is also going to activate the hip. So you're going to get the benefits of strengthening the hip and the feet by indirectly doing the band distraction that you're talking about. But almost always when this happens, it's and this is by the way, this is like a was like a mind blowing thing for me to figure all this out through Dr. Brink. Because for as long as I've been doing this, like I just ignored the feet and what a huge role

Starting point is 01:11:29 they played in all this breakdown, you know, like a squat like this. And when a lot of times when someone has a kneecaving in, is their foot's pronating, right? So their foot pronates, the knee caves, the femur internally rotates. So that's what's happening all the way up. And if you think about that, the femur internally rotates. So that's what's happening all the way up. And if you think about that, the femur is internally rotating

Starting point is 01:11:49 because it doesn't have the strength and mobility to hold it in the position it's supposed to be. The knee caves in because the foot is pronating and collapsing in. So all of it needs to be addressed. The exercise that you're talking about does a pretty good job. Now, my advice would be to work on things like... It's not surgical, it's very general. Yeah, but I mean, it would be, what you suggested

Starting point is 01:12:09 would be in my arsenal of things that I would do. That's what I'm doing 90s. But I'm doing 90s for the hips, right? So I'm doing all the 90, 90 progressions that we have on the YouTube channel, so do that stuff. And then I'm doing a lot of foot and ankle stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna do a short foot. Yep, I'm gonna do what's the ankle one that you like.

Starting point is 01:12:28 Combat, combat, stretch on my ankle. And then I'm gonna do the band distraction. Those are the things that I woulda, you wanna hear how terrible of a train ride was when I first started by the way? You probably squeezed the basketball like I did. I would stop the knee from coming in by putting something between the knees to put a basketball and a band in the opposite direction to hold it out.

Starting point is 01:12:50 Not knowing what I'm actually doing is making them straight in the amount. I did the same. I would have put like a hip circle around the knee, so at least one of them, but then I'm getting both. And I'm like overcompensating and it's not even doing anything. Oh, yeah. So there you go. Perhaps the thing is to do. To say, yeah, you get smarter over these.

Starting point is 01:13:09 Sorry. Next question is from J.Bissit72. My 13 year old son wants to start working out to get bigger, faster and stronger. Would a three times a week full body workout or a six times per week split be better? I'm gonna just say this straight up, okay? For 85%, okay?

Starting point is 01:13:28 The vast majority of people listening to this, watching this or 85% of the population out there who wants to build strength, build muscle, get faster as a result, right? Just bigger, faster, stronger. A three day week full body routine will be superior to a six day split. That's 85%.

Starting point is 01:13:44 You talk to strength coaches, you talk to bodybuilding coaches, and yes, there's that 15% where the volume gets so high that splitting it makes more sense. But for the vast majority of people out there, a three day week full body routine is perfect. It's best. It's not perfect, it's best.

Starting point is 01:14:00 It's is best. It's best for more than just the most basic revisions. When they test this head to head, it's almost identical. If all things are created equal, it's perfect, volumes are quite affordable. It's like, they're pretty damn close. But the thing that you always hear us talk about on the show is like the behavioral stuff. And I think one of the reasons why I think full body is superior in all aspects for all people is because I've never met anybody. I've never had a client in my life that is

Starting point is 01:14:32 perfect year round all the time and doesn't have life happening and these up and down of consistency and then not so consistent. And when you're running a full body routine and you have a bad week, and you only got to the gym once or twice. So hit the full body. You still hit the full body. So you were still staying very balanced. You're still getting all those muscles stimulated.

Starting point is 01:14:54 You're not gonna take big steps, fall backwards. What happens to people that do splits, okay? Me included, as I ran splits for most of my life, is those weeks always happen. And I have a week where I miss a day. And then I'm like, oh, well, I missed a muscle group. And it's always the muscle group. I don't like doing anyways.

Starting point is 01:15:11 And so, when I naturally avoid it, yes. And it's the other thing about like young kids like this too that you present them with like a specific muscle group to target, they're gonna overdo the hell out of this. And then it's gonna be a detriment at that point for them coming back having to do, the next workout or the next few days from then that same muscle group again.

Starting point is 01:15:32 And so, you have to kind of like put that on perspective. How consistent are they gonna be with this plan and this program and then how are they gonna adequately recover from this? Yeah, and I'm gonna, I'll make this argument too. Let's say you took the same routine, three full body workouts, or you cut all of them in half even.

Starting point is 01:15:50 That's usually now how six, you know, day-to-week splits work, but let's just say it is. You cut them on half six days versus three. I'll argue that you get better recovering adaptation for most people because of the full days of rest. So I think it's better to have a full day of training in a day off and a full day of training in a day off versus half a day of training, half a day of training, half a day of training, half a day of training,

Starting point is 01:16:13 because you tend to adapt and recover better. Now at some point, if you become so advanced, you've got incredible recovery, you're so consistent, you're eating good, that now your full body workout is two hours long because I'm doing three exercise You've got incredible recovery, you're so consistent, you're eating good, that. Now your full body workout is two hours long because I'm doing three exercises with body part. Well now it starts to make sense to split it up. But for most people, I'm also gonna make an argument from an athletic standpoint

Starting point is 01:16:37 that body part splits are dog shit for athletes. You're compartmentalizing the body, your body needs the work in unison, you'll never do that in the body. You'll never do that. So it's pick one, right? Like you can look like an adonis or whatever and like that's like your thing, right?

Starting point is 01:16:52 I wanna look like a specimen. Or if I wanna be an athlete, you wanna be faster, you wanna be stronger and faster. You gotta be an athlete, you gotta train like that. But I'll make this argument, Justin. I've obviously been training forever. My own body, I always, the most consistent, the routine that I tend to fall the most, is the 3-D A week one, and it's always the best one for me.

Starting point is 01:17:12 Now, I switch out because it's a good idea to switch into different things. It's always a good idea, especially been working out for years and years and years, like I have. But whenever I go back to 3 days a week, I feel the most rested, I have most strength, and my body responds the best. And everybody I've ever trained, like I said, there's a vast majority just do best. This is most people.

Starting point is 01:17:31 So regardless of if it's your 13 year old son or your 43 year old, you know, framed or whatever. Regardless, but I think even more so because of that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like it may be for the right, if this person were asking a question and you're a 27 year old consistent body builder guy and you don't ever miss a gym

Starting point is 01:17:49 and you've been training for 10 years. I might be like, well, whatever. Whenever you like most, and it's gonna keep you consistent, then go for it. It's not that big of a difference, but you talk about a 13 year old kid. And the fact that I agree that most should do this

Starting point is 01:18:02 and we'll get benefits from it, but even more so, a young kid getting started in his career, full body for sure would be, I wish I understood this as a young kid. Oh my God, are you saying? I had someone told me to do this and I thought they were lying. I tell you what, by the way,

Starting point is 01:18:17 one other thing if you're listening to this, if your son eats his body weight in protein and grams, eats enough calories and follows this. He's gonna get stronger, bigger and faster, very quickly. He will see significant results. He just has to apply all this and get good sleep. If he does all those things, his body's gonna respond very well. Next question is from Ruth Cadel.

Starting point is 01:18:39 What are your thoughts on eating candy in true workouts? It's delicious. Where it's been a long time since we've seen Dr. Integrity. Oh, God. Is he still around? What is it now? He's a rags.

Starting point is 01:18:51 I used to get hit with his ads all the time. I never see him anymore. I think you walked this from everything. Oh, maybe that's why. It was like the Dextrose, right? So you had like the gummy bears or the pixie sticks and like that was the big thing for a long time. Here's a deal.

Starting point is 01:19:04 If you're training. It's such the big thing for a long time. Here's a deal look. If you're if you're training. It's a terrible idea for so many reasons. If you're training super, super long and you're depleting your glycogen, which by the way you have in your body, I don't know, five or six thousand calories worth of stored glycogen. So a lot of stored glycogen. Okay, but let's say you you you you're doing a crazy long workout and it's like these are endurance workouts typically and you're exhausting yourself crazy long workout, and these are endurance workouts typically, and you're exhausting yourself,

Starting point is 01:19:27 then the data does show that consuming some carbohydrates, okay, which yeah, candy does have carbohydrates, so I guess technically it's in this category, although I'll make the argument that candy's the worst, that's not a great option anyway. But having some carbohydrates that are easy to digest in your workout is gonna be beneficial. Who does this apply to?

Starting point is 01:19:47 Endurance athletes. Endurance athletes are the people that I recommend have a carbohydrate drink or those cubes or those gels, halfway through their three hour training session. They're burning up the most calories. If you're like training in the gym, you're lifting, even if you're lifting hard, and you're eating candy in between sets to fuel your workout, you better be like, this better be the

Starting point is 01:20:10 most insane work I've ever seen. Well, there's one client that I think of that I would allow, even though I wouldn't recommend, but I would allow them if they said, like, hey, could I do this? Is the client, the young kid who is burning so many calories, struggling so much to put weight on that we're looking for any place to get extra calories that we want. And he goes, Adam, like, I love having gummy bears in the middle of my workout. I mean, I'll go for it. We can't, we can't even hit your calorie surplus as it is. Right. So eating some sugar in the middle of your workout, like, I'm not really tripping. That's the only person that I'm even allowing.

Starting point is 01:20:46 And even then, I'm like, there's better option still. There's better stuff. And you better be hitting your protein intake consistently and not just hitting your calories, you're missing. Because then I'd rather have a drink, a protein shake in the middle of your workout that I get 20 to 30 grams of protein plus some of the sugar. So the only person I see this with is someone who hits their protein consistently has a roaring metabolism,

Starting point is 01:21:10 struggles to get to the calories they need to because they're so active. Okay, go for it, I don't care. Yeah, this annoys me because it comes from the muscle building space that's so they like to push the limits of what they can get away with because they're so shredded and jacked. And so I can't eat between or it's as fast as absorbing former carbohydrates or whatever. It's like, okay, there's better options and no, you don't need to do that. Unless you're working out for hours with crazy endurance, the data is clear on this. You do your typical hour strength training, unless you're super depleted going into it,

Starting point is 01:21:48 it's not gonna help you, it's not gonna make a difference with your strength training or your results. Part of the reason why it got popular, I mean, as a, when I went through the whole kick when I was doing all those stuff, like I played around with all the trends that everybody was doing, just because I wanted to experience it and talk about it.

Starting point is 01:22:02 And what you get from pop tarts before your workout, gummy bears in the middle of your workout, for the body builder person is you get this like quick pump, you get a pump. That sugar gets into your system really fast in comparison to the, and let me tell you what I've you've heard me on this podcast talk about like I had figured out like the amount of grams of carbohydrates I needed like the perfect like the perfect meal that I would have, like an hour and a half before I went to go get my lift in, like I figured out like through whole foods, like what was the perfect best workout best, everything, but if I didn't do that and I'm going in to go do a workout, and so let's just use the numbers for me personally to get this point across.

Starting point is 01:22:41 I've, you know, it was somewhere between 70 to 90 grams of carbs I wanted going into my workout to feel these. And this was like a couple hours before. Yes, yeah, to feel like this, this, this massive pump. If for some reason I was low calorie that day and I'm getting regular that workout, if I crushed two pop tarts, I would feel, I would feel it in my workout.

Starting point is 01:23:01 I would feel the pump. I would definitely have more than if I would have not done that. Now, one of the biggest problems that I found with, when I was sort of messing with stuff like that is I started to crave those things all the time. Regardless, if I had, so then I'd have another day where I, so I allow myself to do this consistently on these days and then I'd have a day

Starting point is 01:23:20 where I actually did everything I was supposed to eat a balanced meal, then have the other meal that was perfect for me. And then I'm getting ready to do my workout and I trained myself that behavior of it slam a power. Now I'm over over consuming, not getting any extra benefits from it. And I've got this damn craving for these stupid pop tarts. So it's you, it's if you're going to do something like this, you got to be very careful

Starting point is 01:23:42 on what comes with allowing yourself to have something like that in the diet. And like I said, the only person I would maybe allow do that is that that kid who just struggles to put weight on. And right now that's not a big focus of us over consuming because I can't ever get him to hit his calories. Yeah, but it's not the first thing you say. No, it's not. Oh, you can't even have calories. No, we're gonna try it. I mean, it's literally like I said, if he came to me and he's like hey, bro

Starting point is 01:24:07 This is what I'm doing. I'm like alright, whatever, you know, but I would even go for a sports drink before I do candy So that's what I did I didn't remember I talked about this. I used to do rock stars like before I played basketball Yeah, yeah, that's what I would just do right before I would go in again not something I would recommend to most people a very very specific case and person that I'm allowing to do some of those. Cool. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out all of our free fitness guides.

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