Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2169: Ways to Correct Neck & Shoulder Pain, When to Avoid Tracking Macros, How Lots of Muscle Can Negatively Affect Longevity & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:16 If it says it's made for women, that's right. 99% of the workouts to say for women online are actually watered down terrible workouts that were previously done for men. For some reason, the fitness industry thinks that women's workouts are super high rep, lots of band burn exercises, exercises that are terrible and inferior to other superior ones. Workouts for women online are typically terrible.

Starting point is 00:02:42 It's a big red flag, pay attention. God, I'm torn on this one, bro. I have a hard time with this. Because for our personal journey of selling digital programs online has been an interesting one to say the least. We have been told by our marketing team for years now how important it is for us to separate it. We have been told by our marketing team for years now

Starting point is 00:03:09 how important it is for us to separate it. And they've even come down to me, I don't care. If you guys tailor it not or for, it doesn't matter, it's that we present it that way. It's effective. Because it is extremely effective. And you got to stop thinking like everybody thinks like you and that people understand there's a difference. 90% of people think that it's that way.

Starting point is 00:03:33 So by you not doing that, you're losing a massive amount of people. Now the integrity in us goes, who cares then? We don't care. It's not just about money for us, but the way that a good marketing guy sells it to you that makes you go like, fuck, okay, maybe he's right, is because you are so stubborn about not doing that, you've lost out on 1000, maybe tens of thousands of people

Starting point is 00:03:59 that you could have at least brought them into your circle and then educated them on how it really works. And so because you're so stubborn that you don't want to do so, I have struggled with this since the day that we have started selling. We're trying to like change the culture of everything and it's such a bigger ship to steer way bigger. You know, in terms of like you said, and I've, and we've even gotten in discussions with some of our peers about this because they'll

Starting point is 00:04:25 do, they'll present that argument like, well, I'm reaching more people and I'm like, by at least like marketing in that direction, it's like I can at least get their attention polimid and then we, you know, give them good valuable information and there's an argument to that. But if everybody does that, then the message is never gonna change. Yeah, yeah. There's a big difference between people who have no idea, by the way,

Starting point is 00:04:50 about how much you're right. We sacrifice by doing that because of it. This is a debate with our advertising team on marketing team all the time. Has been all the time. Six years. They hate us. Listen, there's a big difference between marketing

Starting point is 00:05:02 a program to women. And it's the same program that you give to men. I still don't like that either. But that's still better than what they'll do often where they'll take workouts and then design workouts for women. And you look at the work, make it gimmicky. And they're the worst workouts. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:17 Yeah. I just tell my female clients this and say, what do you think about this online? So the ineffective exercise. Yeah. I'd like, look, if it says it's for women, it's the worst workout. But this is what Justin saying is this is why this, that's why it's so, it's so true is that this is what sucks is you're right. There is a difference. There's a difference between marketing to women to get the end, but yet giving the program a good program. But the problem is that it gets convoluted so much with all the people that are giving shitty ones,

Starting point is 00:05:44 because we're all marketing the same way. And so it's like, how do you do that? Now the marketing damned if you do, you're damned if you do. Now the marketing to women aspect, the challenge I have with that is it perpetuates the myth that women need to train differently than men. That somehow there's, there are exercises that are effective for men, exercises

Starting point is 00:06:03 that are effective for women, that women need to train different rep ranges, that there's, that myth right there is one of the biggest hardest myths all of us have had to overcome as trainers. Think about the biggest, most challenging myth about overcome. It is so hard that there is literally

Starting point is 00:06:19 somebody listening right now at this moment that is shaking their head, that is going like, well, I actually follow this program that someone gave me to that I do this during my cycle. And ever since I have, it has been the age, it's been the thing before I follow this person's program who puts these exercises in for these reasons for women. And it has been so, yeah, it's that hard that you could be a mind pump listener for years and I guarantee there is a good amount of people right now, women right now,

Starting point is 00:06:51 shaking their head, disagreeing with what you're saying. Look, there are general things that women tend to seek out when they're strength training, they wanna work out their butts more, their hamstrings more, shoulders more, men tend to be more stressed and arms and that kind of stuff. I get that. The whole cycle training, that's again, another general thing, but at the end of the

Starting point is 00:07:10 day, it's down to the individual. So, are there differences between individuals and how they should train? Yes. That's what you pay attention to, not your gender. That's just marketing and that's annoying. But yeah, the workouts themselves, if you were to take, first of all, if I were to take 100 workout programs online, just period, most of them suck, most of them are terrible, terrible programming.

Starting point is 00:07:31 Besides the like, the strength, the competitive strength market ones, like powerlifting, Olympic, where the program actually has to be good, the fitness ones, they're all almost all terrible. But if you take a subgroup and you say the ones that are just four women, that say four women, they're almost all terrible. But if you take a subgroup and you say the ones that are just for women that say for women, they're even worse. They're terrible. Well, there's no compound lifts. There's nothing under 10 reps, you know, God forbid. And it's just like, do you think that squats, deadlifts, overhead press, barbell rows, those types of things are valuable for women? Of course, but you don't see that in a lot of these programs.

Starting point is 00:08:12 You'll see a lot of booty bands and you'll see a lot of high rap and body weight specific type exercise. What's a good example or a great point to this is, and you've brought this up many times on the show, is where the best programming has always been in the fitness space has been in powerlifting or Olympic lifting. Strength sports.

Starting point is 00:08:34 Strength sports where there's no, where you have to go up and perform and show that you're better than what you were before or better than the other guys or the other girls. Super objective. And if you look at all the programming from the best of the best coaches in the world for the last however since the beginning of time that we've been making these programs you'll see that there's never been an Olympic coach or a powerlifting coach that's worth their weight and saw that has ever wrote a program different for a woman that man like literally never doesn't exist it doesn't exist in a sport where it fucking matters that you get stronger and you get stronger than the other guy

Starting point is 00:09:06 or the other girl in a certain period of time. That coach is not writing a program. He's dealing to the same thing that he gives to 135 pounds Suzy is the same thing he's given to big old Sam's. He's got the individual learning. Yeah, exactly. Like an individual coach is gonna work on

Starting point is 00:09:23 in balances and prior injuries and your body tends to be able to handle more volume than this girl or that guy, but as far as the sex difference, zero. There's zero difference in that program. No, look, this is, here's why this really annoys me because you're right. We could reach more people by using, I don't know, for betlacquimics. Shady marketing, okay. It's true, but the reason why we don't do that,

Starting point is 00:09:50 because we could reach more people, but why don't we do it? Well, because the biggest problem in our space is bad information. It's myths, it's information that's inaccurate, it's narratives that aren't true. So if that's the biggest problem, why would we, being at the moment, one of the top

Starting point is 00:10:09 health and fitness podcasts in the world, continue to promote these lies? Even if we reach people and then we change their mind as they come in, a lot of other people will hear about it, and it's just going to continue to proliferate. And we need to stop it. Look, the fitness space has done a lot of damage to everybody because of the crappy stuff that they put out. But women have been damaged more than men. That's the fact.

Starting point is 00:10:32 And like, when I train men versus women, the bullshit that is sold to women is 10 to one. It's just 10 to one. More diet crap, more pills, more pills more work out, you know false information You know how long it took us to convince women to lift weights for God's sake well We're finally getting there. It took us decades to do so like like this is this is getting silly now I mean the the image that we've sold the women has been so far off for so long too. Yeah, I mean think back like that's at least you know At least for the guys,

Starting point is 00:11:05 the, you know, male model physique look, you know, whatever you want to say that, that image was say 20, 30 years ago, it's been relatively consistent and somewhat good, right? I'm not extreme, but I see. Yeah, you know, I'm saying like to build, build muscle, be muscular, going up and weight or size is actually could be a healthy, good thing. It's not bad. Like, I'm not saying that, you know, Arnold's horse nigger is something that the average Joe should aspire to be like.

Starting point is 00:11:34 What I'm saying is like, that's a far better goal to have because most people never even reach that. Then to have a goal of looking like the 80s Coke model. Right. You'll never, that's true. Like you've tried to pursue Arnold, your whole life, which you will probably never reach, is a healthier pursuit than the woman that's been marketed to to look like the 80s Coke model.

Starting point is 00:11:57 Yeah. That's a very dangerous, unhealthy direction for you to be going. And even if you can make the argument that, yeah, of course, some of these bodybuilders on steroids and other, but you pursuing that physique or goal is far less extreme. That's extreme. That's the extreme. The mainstream male representations of ideal, which are also unattainable and all of the stuff, right, for most people. But those at least, you're right, at the very least, there's a certain level of health for women like for men

Starting point is 00:12:25 You'll never see someone who looks like they're on heroin be our beauty standard, right? That and yet that was the point I'm trying to make. Yes I'm saying it's like of course. I'm not celebrating the extremes It's just that the extreme for men is still been a way healthier pursuit than the extreme that we've presented to women for so long And I just think that, and it really, it's gotten better, but it still hasn't gone away. No, and if you look at the gimmicks in the space, the gimmicks and the fads, who do they hit?

Starting point is 00:12:56 The most. Like this is a dirty secret in the fitness industry, okay? You wanna make millions of dollars with a fad, you target women. Yeah, they're the buyers. And that's because they're consumers, 30 secret and the fitness industry, okay? You wanna make millions of dollars with a fat, you target women. Yeah. They're the buyers. And that's cause of the consumers, but also they're used to being marketed to that way.

Starting point is 00:13:10 Well, we're here to tell you, don't buy the crap. It's all bullshit. And I used to love telling you, like I said, I said, love telling my female clients that, like if it says it's for women, it's almost always a crappy shitty routine, throw it away. Why?

Starting point is 00:13:24 What do you mean? Because that's, first off, the marketing loan is baloney. Second off, they typically will take an effective workout and then they'll just make it ineffective and say, here you go, ladies, we put the barbells down and the heavy dumbbells down and replace everything with, I don't know, this flexible stick or, I don't know what they, anything they use and we do 85 reps, it burns.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Therefore, you're not gonna get big, you're just kind of sculpt. Yeah. It's also because I think that women are emotional creatures and that's an emotional buy and sell by doing that. They play, like marketing plays into that side and it's not that the men don't have emotions also but we operate differently when it makes to buying decisions

Starting point is 00:14:02 and things like that, then the average female does. So they double and triple down. Well, I mean, along the lines of motions. Man, they're not very loyal customers, that's for sure. Yeah. Like, you ask a guy like, no, I mean, there's not. We're just not very loyal for the most part with products and stuff. Like, you ask a guy like, asking about any of the products he uses.

Starting point is 00:14:19 He'll be like, I don't know. Yeah. I use the best he'll use. Yeah, I'll just use this one or that one. Yeah. What's that meme where there's like a, like a, like a, they show like a shower and it's like, I don't know. I use the best he used. Yeah, I was just using this one or that one. What's that meme where there's like a, like a, like a show like a shower and it's like, this is for hair. This is for body.

Starting point is 00:14:31 This is for whatever the dude has like dish soap. Yeah. Hair body mold. Hair body mold. It's balls with. You know, he puts on his hair. Yeah. I was trying to think this whole time.

Starting point is 00:14:39 You guys are talking of like an example of a heroin guy, you know. And I'm like, it's gotta be, you know, it's usually in like the rock and roll. The rock and roll, right? Yeah, it's a physical ideal. It is different. Yeah, like, you don't look at a pro guy and go like, I'm gonna work out to look like,

Starting point is 00:14:53 yeah, no one's a Mick Jagger. You know what I'm saying? Like, no one is doing that, right? Like, that's the, but that is a good example of people that people tend to admire or aspire to be like, but not for their physique. So I just think that, you know, women for the moment, and it's changing for the good. I mean, that's the positive.

Starting point is 00:15:10 The, the, the good thing is that we are moving in the right direction with marketing to women, but we've, we still, it's still there. It's still lingering. It's still a challenge that you have to overcome, But it is exciting to say that being in the space as long as we have, there's definitely a clear difference in a conversation that I have with a female client today versus a female client 20 years ago.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Like the fact that things like muscle mommy trends or one of our hottest episodes. Just bulking in general for women is a really positive, exciting thing. It's so different. Like you would never put those two words together. You know, when I go, I haven't gone to the gym in a while, I've been working out here,

Starting point is 00:15:48 but I just back this week, I'm going back to the gym. And it's like the freeway area is 50% women. Now, nobody thinks about it now, but I mean, I mean, it wasn't that long, while it was a long time ago, but for me, it wasn't the long time. There were no women in the freeway area. None ever.

Starting point is 00:16:03 20 years ago. If they were, they were in the corner, but it was all just, it was all dude. So there's definitely been some, you know, some big. Have we done an episode like that Doug where we've done all the positive, no like the positive changes of the city?

Starting point is 00:16:16 Oh, be good. Like the five most positive things that the space is done, like in the last decade years. I don't think we have done a specific effort. That would be a kind of a fun one for us to like, like make a list of what we think have been the most positive change. And then maybe we do one that on the opposite side too, like the five things that got

Starting point is 00:16:29 worse or something. Let's do that. I like that. All right. Optimistic for you. All right. So I got some more negative stuff for you. So, hey, do you know what they just came out with?

Starting point is 00:16:37 They were trying to work it. Well, vegan count food. Yes. Yeah, right. That's hilarious, dude. I, like, I thought that was like a slow death. Wasn't that a hashtag or a movement for a while there where people were doing vegan count food. Yes. Yeah, right. That's hilarious dude. I swear. I thought that was like a slow death. Wasn't that a hashtag or a movement for a while there

Starting point is 00:16:49 where people were doing that and their cats were looking like they're gonna die and say, what are you doing? What are you doing dude? This is a, listen, this is, they're carnival. First of all, here's the website. There's no way.

Starting point is 00:16:58 It would only be a cat person that would do something like this too. Here's the page. The page, the page. Not people that would do something. It's on Twitter or X or whatever, right? It's called plant-based news, so there's no. No bias. Yeah, I'm sure there's no bias there.

Starting point is 00:17:10 Plant-based news. Can cats really be vegan? A new study, I wanna see the study, has added to a growing body of research, shut your face. It's growing a body of it. Yeah, I'm wrong. Wow, I didn't know there's a whole body of it.

Starting point is 00:17:24 A research on the safety of plant-based diets for our companion animals. So here's the irony of this. The crack is shit. Here's the irony of this. It's actually quite clever. Here's the irony. The irony is in order to save animals

Starting point is 00:17:38 that people normally eat and don't give a shit about, we're gonna starve your pet, that you love so much, we're gonna make the bell nourished. I also think it's a really clever way to, again, play to people's heartstrings, right? I mean, you're saving the planet, you're now, you now kind of healthy or diet

Starting point is 00:17:55 for your cat. Like, it's just another angle to hit people on like, why are there cats running outside looking for any kind of road into like, fuel there? I know, like, like, void of protein protein someone's got to make like a like a like a little five minute cartoon or real of that like catching birds like a parody right like do a parody of of the cat like see you get to be in

Starting point is 00:18:16 the like the cats perspective how pissed the cat bro take a take a food to vegetable walk up to chance see if they want to see it hey what's up my apple hey these are the people that don't watch, it's shout out to Nature as metal. I this one of my favorite, or the dark side of nature. Like those are such awesome Instagram pages to follow, but people need to follow that. You do, because see how it really goes down.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Nature is not like forgiving the movie. No, it's not forgiving at all. No, and that's the, and it's just like, it's in our DNA. Like there's just certain things like we need. We need nutrients. And yes, there's cruelty, you know, in some of that. But that's just like, it's part of like,

Starting point is 00:18:53 the animal world we live in. That and then the show alone. Those two things. Yeah, that my favorite were the two things. The ones with the vegans on the loam. Yep. Done. They are done. They switched so fast out.

Starting point is 00:19:05 I found these berries and this whatever. And like, D3, the nature is metal and the alone are two of the most basic, raw examples of like, this is how we got here. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is how it was, how it's been forever. Just recently in the last 50 to 100 years if we got in so arrogant that we think it should all change.

Starting point is 00:19:27 I mean, look, I love animals. You know, like I bash on this stuff. I like that people want to be nice and thoughtful and careful, but you have to live in reality. That's all I'm saying. Well, look, okay, Paul Chex says this very well. The most important animal is you. And you got to care for yourself.

Starting point is 00:19:45 Now, can you eat a diet that's vegan and can it be healthy for you? For some people, yes, it does take a lot more planning. And thankfully, we have the technology in the markets that allow you to give you the variety and the supplements that can help me some of those nutrient deficiencies. But some people, no matter what,

Starting point is 00:20:00 I had clients like this. They were such devout vegans for moral reasons. I had one lady on there, I forgot. She was devout, right? It was for moral reasons. But man, all of her symptoms were nutrient deficiency related and she took supplements, she took vitamins, her hair was falling out, all of us.

Starting point is 00:20:17 She saw functional medicine practitioner. Finally, she agreed to add eggs to her diet. Then she agreed to add fish eggs to her diet, and her health made such a radical turn. And I remember having a conversation with her about this, and she's like, yeah, I had to like take care of myself because I can't help anybody else if I'm so sick. She was getting depressed and anxious and lots. And for some people, that's the case, because it's just not, you don't assimilate it as

Starting point is 00:20:44 well. And for some people, it's essential. For most people, it the case, because it's just not, you'll assimilate it as well. And for some people it's essential. For most people it's essential, I'll say. You know what, when was the last time you looked at like a chart on the growth in vegans? Like how I mean, how many people identify as vegans? Yeah, yeah, have you seen something like that, Doug? We look at something, I'd love to see something like

Starting point is 00:21:01 over the last, like say, 20 years ago. The veganism on the rock, put that up. Because also too, isn't the burgers and the meat that's like, would it be, I can't believe it's okay, beyond. I can't believe it's not butter. I can't believe it's not butter. I can't believe the hell it's cold. I can't believe it's hot meat.

Starting point is 00:21:17 Probably. I feel like that's on the decline. I mean, they pulled it out of a lot of restaurants. That's why I'm curious. I want to see, and we've heard more and more people that are. It was such a fat. It was like, it tastes almost as good, but it's actually worse for you across the board.

Starting point is 00:21:32 Yeah, because all the oils, yeah, this is like, we're get out. Yeah, what does it say there, Doug? In Q1 of 2022, the global score for veganism popularity dip below 60, which I don't know what that means. It went down, but it did go down. The peak was in 2019. Yeah. Gradually decline. Give me something else. I don't know if I'd like that stat.

Starting point is 00:21:50 You know, that tells us it's a great. The port shows decline. I know, I know. Okay. So that gives me the general, what I was already, whatever I already thought, right? I already thought it was on the decline, right? But I want to know, I'd like to see a graph. I like to see like, speaking of which, three million people identified as vegan in 1990. And now it's what, to know, I'd like to see a graph. I'd like to see like, speaking of which, three million people identified as vegan in 1990.

Starting point is 00:22:07 And now it's what, you know, speaking of which, so people always wonder, well, why are we pushing not eating meat or animal products as a way to be healthy when it's not true? It's not true. A healthy omnivore diet is going to be healthier for the vast majority of people. Follow the moon.

Starting point is 00:22:22 A healthy vegan one. Follow the moon. It's because you can patent plans. Once they did GMO plans and then products like, like beyond meat is a patty that is patented. Yeah. A burger patty is not patented. You can't because it's cows.

Starting point is 00:22:35 So that's what they can do. They can patent and control the market. This is why they push people in this direction. By the way, you know, Listen, if you, if you, if you saw what just happened to us in the last three years, where they used a pandemic to push a vaccine for all of us to take and shoot into ourselves, to think they would not manipulate information and data to convince you to switch to another

Starting point is 00:22:59 diet because they can patent that other diet. You're a fool. You are a fool. Somebody just read Pildes' coffee. Yeah. I mean, that's not even like conspiracy to me, though. That's like business, business 101, like it's watching the trade. If you're about making money, and that's what you want to do, that is a smart strategy. So forget the moral side, forget to conspiracy. Just all about the money, that's what happened.

Starting point is 00:23:24 Yeah. Like that is a brilliant strategy. It's been happening forever. It's been happening forever. The food pyramid was heavily, heavily influenced by the food industry. Remember the time, remember there was a, I think those says in 2000,

Starting point is 00:23:37 almost say 2009 or 10, they were trying to pass laws saying that vegetables must be present in school lunches. Well, they lobbied government to qualify pizza sauce. I remember that. I remember that. Oh, yeah. Here's your vegetable. Yeah. Yeah. Pizza sauce. So ketchup. Doug, what are you reading right there? Well, it says between 2004 and 2019, there was a 30 foldfold increase in vegans in the United States. Wow, 30-fold. But I'm looking through this article and I don't know really how they're determining that.

Starting point is 00:24:12 So, I don't think there's any... There have to be a massive survey. Well, that other article that you showed, so that's from 2004 to 2019. That other girl said since 2019 to now, when did it... Yeah, when did it... 60 point drop. Right. And I think one of the things that they're using is the increase in vegan products being purchased.

Starting point is 00:24:29 That's probably what it is. It doesn't necessarily mean that everybody's totally planning for a trend. That's more of a trend. It's a more of a trend. Oh, yeah. So I don't think they have any real stats on this. By the way, you know what they just successfully did?

Starting point is 00:24:40 They grew fruit in a lab. Really? Yeah, like lab grown fruit. Now they're working on what? I know. They're really moving in this direction because they're going to be able to patent everything. Yes.

Starting point is 00:24:50 Like why is already well, they say it's for the they say it's for the climate. This and that. By the way, did you know lab grown meat is far worse the environment? You know, here, I want to be I want to also. Okay, why were talking about this too? Because I know we're probably already lost half the people that have already drank the cool. I do want to make the point that have already drank the Kool-Aid.

Starting point is 00:25:05 I do wanna make the point that I'm actually not against this because if this can feed people that are starving in other countries, and if you had Noah, if you're, it's like, I can't, and by the way, there's millions of people that are on less than like a thousand calories a day, that if we can produce things by the masses with like zero like very little minimal effort and money that could save lives. I don't care that

Starting point is 00:25:34 it's not as healthy. The technology I think I am for that. But what I'm not for is pushing a bullshit narrative just for that there's these companies that make money and to manipulate other people who have the option to actually make the healthier better choice. Well, they don't present it right. What they say is this is better for the environment and it's gonna save money and feed more people. But what they need to say if they're honest is, right now, it's way more expensive than the real deal

Starting point is 00:26:00 and it's way worse for the environment but we're just learning it's a new technology and we're working on it. And it actually we hope to get that point. And it has potential to save millions of lives. But they don't do that. If we could feed them. No, they sell it as like, this is better. It's not.

Starting point is 00:26:12 And I could get behind that. I could totally get behind that. Let me get this straight though. So I heard a stat, and I have to get like fact checked on this because it was pretty crazy. So how much carbon do you think is in the atmosphere? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:28 Just give a guess. So everyone was guessing all the professors, I saw where guess is five percent. But it's like five or 20 percent, even like some people would think because there's a lot of urgency around this. Oh my God, we're putting someone's carbon in the air. Right.

Starting point is 00:26:44 0.04% and before that, like thousands of years before that was like 0.02%. Yeah. And anything less than that is the ice age. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're looking at. Yeah, I've seen that.

Starting point is 00:26:58 Yeah, I saw that. So like, where's the hysteria? I'm just, I'm just, well, you know, there's a question. The greenhouse gases were much higher during the time of dinosaurs. And that's why there was so much, that's why they think there's a lot of growth. The growth was so big. We've also made a massive improvement since the 80s and the 90s.

Starting point is 00:27:13 The 80s and the 90s, we were like, when we didn't give a shit, we were just pumping everything out. And there was no effort at all to make a better choice. Like we were way worse than what we were just at, just, we're over at now. Oh, I don't know. People just trying to stay in a logical frame of mind. Look, here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:27:27 If people want to, if they really want to be objective about this, then what they need to realize is this, is that if we impose restrictions on emissions that the poorest of the poor are dead, okay? There are people that have just come out of poverty over the last 20 years and they cannot survive These kind of regulations will kill lots of people that we will slam them in poverty now if you're rich and you're doing okay You're a wealthy country

Starting point is 00:27:53 Some people will hurt middle class and lower will hurt, but you'll be okay But these other people will die the second thing is Nuclear power right now of the technology available right now has is the answer nuclear power right now of the technology available right now has is the answer, but it's so embroiled with crazy Regulations and fears that nobody nobody wants to touch it, but the truth is we could have the solution We could create some of the cleanest most plannifal energy with these new generation nuclear reactors. Yeah You know what I am. Well don't want to to touch. Worried about those. Like, I was watching this documentary about plastics and like, microplastics and like, how it's just so pervasive and it literally is in like, everything now to the point where we were recycling it at one point.

Starting point is 00:28:37 And then, I guess, because the pollution was so bad for when China hosted the Olympics, like, they took on a lot of the world's plastic and they were the only ones like recycling it and just because they didn't have regulations for burning it and like putting it up in the atmosphere. And so it was so bad, they couldn't even see, so they stopped allowing that, you know, those practices that. So then that actually like put the halt on a lot of countries outlet for being able to recycle plastics. And now they just like get rid of it in the ocean

Starting point is 00:29:13 and they just, you know, disperse it like all over the place. And it's a real big problem. So there needs to be innovation for sure. And that, and I am worried about like environment. You know how much of your stuff in your recycling mean goes gets recycled? Most of it does. Just the aluminum.

Starting point is 00:29:29 Aluminum. That's it. I think it's only for a long time. Yeah. Cause it was shipping it out. It's frustrating. I know it's super frustrating. Like put it in there, we're recycling.

Starting point is 00:29:37 No, it goes in the garbage. Yeah. I know I have a buddy that works at waste management places. He like bro, it goes in the same container. Like oh my god. Yeah. That makes me so mad. Why am I separating it out? It's the lot that you think you, you know, you think that all this is getting accounted for. It's just not. Yeah, I know. Hey, I want to tell you guys, this is kind of cool. So you know,

Starting point is 00:29:55 how I, I, I think Doug first said this and he hit, he hit the knee on the head. You know, the chocolate bone broth from Paleo Valley and how, like everybody's like, it's the best tasting protein period, and the story, there's no protein powder that tastes better. But Doug Neil, then hit the nail ahead, he said it tastes like chocolate donuts. I'm like, it is chocolate donuts. Yeah, we've been saying on the show, they advertise it now with chocolate donuts,

Starting point is 00:30:17 a little bit of chocolate donuts. A picture. Yeah, because once you drink it, you know, you're like, that's what it tastes like. Literally tastes like. I mean, 100% that's from you. 100%. I mean, I know, because I obviously handle that side of the house, you know, you're like, that's what it tastes like. Literally tastes like. I mean, 100% that's from you. 100%. I mean, I know, because I obviously handle that side of the house,

Starting point is 00:30:27 like that, we're by far their biggest partner. And I'm sure that when we talk about their product, how we talk about their, which by the way, kudos to them for being one of the smarter partners that do that. I think it's so funny when some of these partners don't take the time to pay attention and see that thing. It's like, that's how much, like, the information that we're communicating related to their brands

Starting point is 00:30:46 makes a difference that why wouldn't you not use that marketing tool like in your benefit by going out and putting money behind it like that. So I'd love to see brands that actually are paying attention to stuff like that. You've been taking a lot of that because you can't have during that. So it's so funny how I was so late to the party on it.

Starting point is 00:31:03 And of course now I don't have much of a choice. So I'm on that like crazy. My favorite part about it, aside from it does taste really good. It does taste like you said, it's great. And even with just like water. Like yeah, I know I'm making it with almond milk, but I'm at home if I'm here, I just mix it with water. Both ways taste phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:31:22 My favorite part about it is that I can do like four or five scoops of it. Doesn't bother your gut at all. It's so easy to do at all. Like so if I need a lot, like if I'm way behind on protein and I need like a, you know, a 50 gram protein shake, I can literally, I don't know how many scoops,

Starting point is 00:31:38 because I think it's like what? 16 grams or? That's like four or five scoops. Like the 12 grams per scoop from that mistake. It's over 13, yeah. Yeah, something like that, right? So I mean, I could literally load or five scoops, like the 12 grams per scoop. Yeah, it's over 13. Yeah, something like that, right? So I mean, I could literally load up the scoops and it does not wear. In the past, I remember when I used to do that with way, if I had anything over,

Starting point is 00:31:56 like you know, and I've said this before that I know when I had two products that were like heavy and in like way like that in the day, like it would definitely mess up. And I got what you obviously we know why now. But yeah, I'm like hard. I've experiment, I've gone as high as over 100 grams of protein from just the bone broth from Paleo Valley. Wow. Yeah, which I haven't pushed that high yet.

Starting point is 00:32:14 Yeah, Matt and one's not one serving, but like in the day. Oh, in the day. Yeah, but it's not 100 grams. I mean, I have 200, maybe to 215 grams a day. So that means on that day, I would push my protein up to 300. Just as an experiment. Yeah. No negative issues on my gut.

Starting point is 00:32:29 What's the only protein powder I could probably go crazy with? You know, I'm glad you brought that up too, though, because I know we did an episode recently where we were recommending to people that they don't do that. And it doesn't mean that there isn't examples of where one of us has done that or do that.

Starting point is 00:32:45 Sure. But I don't think if I were to ask you, Sal, is it better than food? Or I would say, would you score your day today a perfect day of eating? Just because you hit your protein intake, if you were like, well, you know, I was on the go, like crazy and some of that, I only got two whole meals,

Starting point is 00:32:58 and then I had to have a bunch of shakes for the day. You would be like, it was a perfect day of eating, just because you hit your quote unquote macros, you'd be like, oh, it was pretty good. I stayed in my calorie balance. It's better than not, but it's better than not. But I'm not trying to celebrate a day like that as like that is ideal.

Starting point is 00:33:14 It's like that's in case you're better off doing something like that. I think that's an important point to make because we had that episode and I know there was like, push back from the people, oh, I love my shakes, I love my bars, okay, we're not saying that. None of us have that do that. It's just that if you're always striving to be better, diet, exercise, and health wise,

Starting point is 00:33:32 you should strive to always get it through whole foods and only use these things as a supplement in case, in case you can't get it. Now, the reality is that tends to happen a lot in people who have very busy lives or struggle. Like we saw a bunch of vegans that were on there that were like, well, I don't, you know, it's as vegan, I have a hard time getting, okay, that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:33:52 It's then I'm gonna tell you to do that. I'm not gonna shame you from having two protein shakes and say, well, don't do it at all. And now you miss your protein. Yeah, now you miss your protein and take. So, but you know, I'm at this point right now. I'm back to kind of like I'm loosely tracking. I'm not hardcore tracking. If I don't do my creatures of habit first thing in the morning, which is a solid 30 to 32 grams of protein to start my day, I'm always behind. I'm almost still behind unless I'm like actively.

Starting point is 00:34:20 What are you aiming for 200 something grams? Yeah, I would like I'm I'll even let myself hit 180 and consider it an okay day because I'm like actively getting. Well, were you aiming for 200 or something, grams? Yeah, I would like, I'll even let myself hit 180 and consider it an okay day, because I'm not, but I deal with two, yeah, 200. That's hard. If you don't have, you don't start the day with 30 to 50 grams. It's like, you're gonna eat 70 grams approaching with each meal.

Starting point is 00:34:34 I know, that's why it's hard. That's what I mean. If I don't hit, and I'm okay with, there's nothing wrong with also this another point to make. There's nothing wrong with having one day of low protein. In fact, if you go further far enough back, we used to talk a lot about what we think a lot of benefits behind protein cycling, where you have extremely low day, one low day,

Starting point is 00:34:53 and then you go back up, right? So there is value in missing a day of protein low, but not consecutively. And I'm more like, I notice if I get in the behavior of not getting my creature to have in the morning I could string three to five days of under 140 grams of protein and so at that point I know I'm Potentially losing muscle because I'm not even giving my body adequate protein to hang on to the muscle Totally, I gotta tell you about some books that I got that I think you'd be interested in Adam for for max. I got to tell you about some books that I got that I think you'd be interested in Adam for Max. I found these on, where did I, I was on, I think it was an Instagram post. There's like these parenting Instagram pages that are really like, where they, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:35 and I see things on there all the time, like, oh, that's really cool. I'm going to get that for my kid. There's a book. It's written by, it's a book series written by Chris Ferry. And here's the books, okay? The first one is general relativity for babies. Then they have rocket science for babies. Then they have Newtonian physics for babies and quantum physics for babies. These are books for kids. Have you opened it?

Starting point is 00:35:58 I'll tell you. Yes. You know, I like about them. How do they introduce it? I'm curious. I'm learning shit. Yeah, I was going to say it's going to be best. Well, I mean, it's actually really, it's really good. And as a parent? I'm curious. I'm learning shit. Yeah, I was going to say it's going to be best for the very first time. Well, I mean, it's actually really good. It's really good.

Starting point is 00:36:07 And as a parent, I'm reading, I'm like, oh, string theory for a child. It's actually really, it's really, really good. And my kid is like, looking through him. And I'm, so, you know, a big mistake I've made in the past is if I really want my kid to do something, I'll be overexcited and I'll go present it and they'll say no and then I lost the opportunity. So there it is. Look at all the different,

Starting point is 00:36:25 look at neural networks for kids, astrophysics for baby, look at that. Can you show the, I want to see the inside of one, like, is it like, do they do it basic enough where it's not like, I mean, it's, let me put it this way. You're introducing the words. You are, but it's not, it's not like,

Starting point is 00:36:40 I mean, hey, here's, it's good. And you learn as a parent, like I said, I've been. One of the things that I've been most impressed about Max's education in schooling in comparison to anything that I ever got, like I wasn't, I didn't get, I don't know about you guys, I didn't get introduced to any sort of school structure

Starting point is 00:36:55 until I was five. My son has been in schools since he was three years old. So, or even two and a half actually, if you count the original one, the Montessori, right? So we had Montess or even two and a half actually, if you count the original one, the Montessori, right? So, we had Montessori at two and a half, and then he went to regular school at three and four. They teach him, like, you think, presidents, like, what is my son doing, losing presidents? But he already can see images and connect, like, oh, Lincoln, like, he'll know. So, even though he probably can't give me a whole dissertation on it, I know that

Starting point is 00:37:27 when he gets older and as they teach that in classes, older, like it'll probably. Yeah, it'll sink in. Well, look at this book. Start with the first one, Doug, like the first picture or whatever, whoever's clicking that. See, it says, this is a ball. This ball has energy. And then you go to the next one.

Starting point is 00:37:43 Keep going. This ball has zero energy. And so you the next one. Keep going. This ball has zero energy. And so you kind of explain it. Yeah, that's great. This ball, all balls are made of atoms. There are, what does that say? Neutrons. Then they have electrons.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Then it talks about, you know, how things have mass. Oh my God, it's great. I mean, it's really cool. So, yeah, I'm like, and I've fun from, I enjoy reading these, you know? You should make this your shout out today because I did not know about this author. So throw that author up as a judge. I just found it and I've fun from, I enjoy reading these, you know? You should make this your shout out today, because I did not know about this author, so throw that author up as a judge.

Starting point is 00:38:06 I just found out I got so cool. Who, did you just see it on Instagram? And I got to work it to each other. Somebody shared it. Somebody shared it on Instagram that they, like, for their kids. And I'm like, what? They make books like this? So I went on Amazon and they're,

Starting point is 00:38:19 I mean, I definitely did a lot of the programming in terms of music. So I did, like, all of the ACDC of the programming in terms of music. So I did like all of the ACDC and Metallica, lullaby stuff and it stuck. You know, like that's the weird part is like and mix in with like classical music. But yeah, like all that stuff, dude,

Starting point is 00:38:40 if you can introduce it to him the right way, I feel like it's, it does promote interest later on. Is there a research around classical music and learning? Yeah, there is, right? Yes. You know what they think, well, so there's a lot of mystery around music and how it helps with learning.

Starting point is 00:38:58 Part of it is the subconscious learning you get from the tempo and the beats. They think that that contributes to your ability to conceptualize math. The other thing it has to do is just how it lights up the whole brain so it may improve communication between different regions in the brain. But there's a lot of mystery too as to why music has such an effect on our ability to process information. I wish I had like access to this one,

Starting point is 00:39:25 this video explains, I think it's Mozart, one of his main pieces, but they were talking about the genius of it because you could literally play it forward and backwards exactly the same. And like, they were like, basically upside down and it like all, all different directions. And it had a whole sequence that made sense. So it was like this, this very alien like ability he had to, to kind of string all of these notes together. And it, I don't know, like, I'll have to like

Starting point is 00:40:04 add that in. Maybe the show notes, I'll add the video that explains, but it was just tripping me. I'm super fascinated by music and the role it plays. And I still think that there's so much that we haven't fully uncovered. I mean, you think you know that like a grocery stores play a very specific type of music to get you to shop longer and buy. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You can play certain types for learning. I mean, I think that's really interesting that we, I mean, I told you guys that one of the coolest things I ever saw was my cousin who homeschools all her kids. And they, the homeschooling teaches like over years a single song that they build on it that's teaching them the like history at a timeline.

Starting point is 00:40:49 I'm like, oh my God, it's like, and I think that these kids are long, disconnected from them now and could still recite that. Like the power of that is incredible. I mean, that has to be how we got this far for so long before there was pen and paper and places. Oh, 100%. I mean, all that and like Jim Quick,

Starting point is 00:41:06 like when he was breaking all that down about memorizing things and associating and like creating visuals within like that memory. So you, you know, associate it. It is so much easier to call it. Listen, say the ABC's in your head right now if I'm singing it. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:41:19 You're gonna sing it. Just the way it is. It is, I know. Hey, you adjust them. This is cool. So I saw a say that day. I thought you would find this interesting. I saw a link with an image, right? It's a picture of the fastest animals in the world.

Starting point is 00:41:35 So the fastest land animal, the fastest animal in water, and the fastest animal in the air. So do you guys know what they are? Land animals probably easy, you guys probably know that. Well, the air is falcon. Yeah, it's a specific type of falcon. It's called the pregrain. Paragon, pregrain, P-R-E-G-U-R-I-N-E.

Starting point is 00:41:55 Land is the Cheetah. Cheetah. Okay, and then what was my other water? Yeah. Dolphin. No. Oh, water. Fastest in the water. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:04 It's not dolphin. Sailfish. Oh, sailfish. So in the water. Yeah, it's not dolphin. Sailfish. Oh, a sailfish. So here's what's crazy. So first off, these are on kilometers. I don't know how many miles this is. Maybe we can look this up. But the Falcon can.

Starting point is 00:42:13 Is this a streamline, I guess. Well, so I'm going to tell you what trip we have, right? So let's start with the fastest, right? The Falcon. It peaks out of 390 kilometers an hour. What is that in my opinion? So divided by two. Is that it? I mean, roughly. It's, I think it's like 2.2 kilometers an hour. What is that month? So divided by two. Is that it?

Starting point is 00:42:25 Roughly. I think it's like 2.2 kilometers per mile or something like that. Didn't they model something in there? No, it's very similar. It's very similar. Yeah, it's very similar. It's like, what is it?

Starting point is 00:42:34 It's say 390 kilometers per hour. Yeah, yeah. It's 240 miles per hour. Oh my God. So it's not right. So what do you think? I think it's 0.6 or something like that. Yeah, 0.6.

Starting point is 00:42:42 Bro, I thought it was that. 290 miles an hour in animal. Oh my God. There's something specific. If you look that they model, I think jet airplanes after. Yeah, like in their nose, like she kind of like also also the way that they're the way that they dive so so quick.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Yeah, like they had to have like something specific about their nose. Also, the way that they're shaped, if you look at them when they're peak speed and how the air moves around them, this is the base to stealth bomber off of them. Oh yeah. If you look at how it's kind of like a little bigger in the front,

Starting point is 00:43:12 that's how we always advance, you know, technology. It's crazy. All right, so Cheetah, just wild when you think about it. Cheetah, look this up, someone for me goes 120 kilometers or not. Yeah, so they were like 60, like a Cheetah's like 60 miles. No, that's faster than that.

Starting point is 00:43:24 74 miles. 74 miles an hour. So it's hell of fast, like a cheetah's like 60 miles. No, that's faster than that. 74. 74 miles an hour. This is hell of fast. Do you imagine you're on a freeway? Yeah. We were always told it was like a hundred mile an hour. You know, ability, but yeah, that's still really fast. Here's what tripped me out.

Starting point is 00:43:34 The sailfish, it's in water. Water is hard to go fast in. 110 kilometers an hour. It only goes 10 kilometers slower than the cheetah. Wow. In the water. Yeah. You know what power you have to generate? To the Cheetah in the water. Yeah, it's impressive. You know, how much power you have to generate to go that fast in the water? That's insane. I wonder if that sale gives it some aerodynamic, well obviously not aero, but torpedo dynamic.

Starting point is 00:43:57 What do you say in the water? I don't know. Yeah, I mean obviously, air would make the most sense to be the fastest of course it is interesting that the the one-minute the water is slower it's just not as a slower well i mean that of the ten kilometers yeah then that's nothing then land yeah it's interesting that's a lot of power hey take a look at this picture here of uh... falcon diving yeah tell me what it looks like the stealth bomber yeah told you yeah right there up in the left uh... uh... actually in fact there should be be a there's a picture I guarantee comparing them scroll down. Is that one right there? Oh, yeah, right there

Starting point is 00:44:29 Look at it. Oh my god. Yeah, see identical. Look up its nose, Doug's. I don't sound crazy Now they you know they hunt other birds nose. Yeah, like they use the some some kind of like valve and it's nose to They're big too. They're bigger than what you like you would say. So fighter Joe massive. So they hunt birds, right? They fly real high and they see another bird, another fast bird and they. Yeah, that's the crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:52 But I always forget that like birds are, or they, they prey on each other all times. Those, yeah, you ever seen some of those, some of those, I don't know what they're called. I could get into that carpeggles or, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I could ever be the bird watching guy who's like got his little boat out and he's in this backyard. Oh, what's that?

Starting point is 00:45:09 Yeah, but I would totally do. Yeah, but would you even know it's going on? It's so fast. Yeah, so fast. Have you seen, have you seen those, I think they're called Harpy, there's like Harpy Eagles and Golden Eagles. They're so big, they like pick up goats and shit and throw them off cliffs.

Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, I always go back to that one culture that uses them to hunt. Oh, the Mongolian? Yeah, the Mongolian coast. It's so badass. It's so badass. Do you know that the, who was it? I want to say the US or might have been England

Starting point is 00:45:34 was looking at using dolphins as a way to attack some Marines that believe in World War II. The US and I think the Russians too. Yeah. They put like, they put like an explosive on the internet. Yeah, and they had, I think they even used like torpedoes and things and I mean did like suicide missions with them.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Dude, I can't believe we forgot to talk about why we were talking about the whole vegan, diet, culture and so that. Oh. I, okay. You sent over. First of all, you talked about the other day, the doctors that are getting paid.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Doctors and dietitians, you're getting paid by the food industry to promote. And what I didn't tell you guys, you sent over this hard. It just came out. So just about, this was like literally last week, just not even, not even a week over a week or two ago. One of our buddies, Brad Jensen,

Starting point is 00:46:20 who he is, I'm trying to remember the name of his podcast. He's been on our, I think we had him on our show a long time ago, or he came on here and he entered him and his sister interviewed us. Do you remember who I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. I recalled. Buff guy covered from a drug addiction. So that great story, great guy. He did like this shout out of listing off like, you know, five people you must follow

Starting point is 00:46:42 in fitness. And, you know, I always appreciate it when people give us love and shout us out to it. But then there's always somebody in their list. I'm just like, man, he shouted that guy out. And I actually had this like, I wanted to send something to him. One of the fake doctors.

Starting point is 00:46:56 And I wanted to send something to him, but I was like, ah, you know, whatever. Like, I'm not like that. Like, I'm not hating somebody. I don't have to. But, now that that came out, like, I have to go, I have to reach out to him, maybe he'll hear this, I know he listens to the show.

Starting point is 00:47:08 Like that guy is a piece of shit. I knew he was a piece of shit. I knew he was a piece of shit when we first had an encounter with him over a year and a half, two years ago. He's so annoying. Where we got into it over, I don't even remember what it was over.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Was it cardio that we were getting into it with him? He just, okay, so his name on SoulMedia. So he's so annoying. I don't like that. Everybody who follows him, go ahead and send him this clip. Yeah. They were talking shit. You should go after them. He's a puke.

Starting point is 00:47:30 Please come after us. Yeah. His name, Dr. Idz, is it IDZ? And he gets on there and he's super arrogant and like, where's his lab coat in his videos? Blah, blah, blah. And then sugar is fine. Blah, blah, blah, the vaccine, good for you. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I got fine. Blah, blah, blah. The vaccine is good for you.

Starting point is 00:47:45 Blah, blah. Anyway, I got in a debate with, I don't remember what it was a while ago. I'm like, this is bad information. And we went back and forth. And he was such an arrogant world. You know, I have a PhD and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, well, it turns out you're one of the people

Starting point is 00:47:56 that are paid off. So, yeah. How did that come? How did you come across that? Max, look at your post. So the investigative journalists who found out these Influencers were being paid off. Yeah listed. I guess some of them as the ones that he uncovered and this you've been out in full What's his following? He's got a big following. What's he up to now?

Starting point is 00:48:18 I don't know you know and by the way, I would love to talk to our listeners. Fuck him. I'd love to give him I wouldn't even give him the opportunity to do listeners. Fuck him. I'm gonna give him, I wouldn't even give him the opportunity to do that. Fuck him. We, we, we, we've had a lot of people, the reason why I really wanted to bring him up too, I know it's like, I sound salty as fuck over this, but this is a guy who I know we've been tagged many times

Starting point is 00:48:40 where people think he's great or has good information because he's countered some of the information that we've talked about. And we've gone back and forth with his dude for over a couple of years now, and it's like at this point, we were like whatever about it, but the fact that this came up now,

Starting point is 00:48:52 now I'm fucking coming after him. 248,000 followers. Yeah, so he's got a core eight people that are paying attention to him. But he's also on TikTok. He's a lot of followers there. Yeah, even more there. Yeah, because he is.

Starting point is 00:49:02 He's like a TikTok doctor. It's exactly what I put him in. Put him in the category of TikTok doctor. You go back and stay there. Yeah. So you're a punk. So so happy that came out dude on so much that but you know what? I'm not surprised. I'm not either how crazy is this like how this stuff unfolds like this. I know somebody who like what a justice. We got into it with a years ago and just something didn't didn't rub any of us around here. By the way, we have people that are friends of ours who we disagree with stuff. Like Lay Norton is a perfect example of someone who doesn't align with our exact messaging,

Starting point is 00:49:32 but I have so much respect and I like that guy. Why? Because you guys integrity. That's right. And we can have that conversation. This guy was not like that. This is some of this guy that was a punk. The most, look, I don't like people who put out bad stuff anyway who just don't have integrity, right?

Starting point is 00:49:46 Nobody likes that. But what I really hate, I really hate, is that people who have letters by their name, PhD, doctor, whatever, who also have terrible integrity and who are out there putting out bad information. Why? Way more dangerous. Way more dangerous.

Starting point is 00:50:03 Way more dangerous. And it's like, you know, you went through all that schooling. You did the, If you did, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the,

Starting point is 00:50:13 What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the,

Starting point is 00:50:21 What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, What is the, I remember band bar thing that wanted to be on the show 100 times. Everybody talks about him too. That is all like stairroaded jacked out and says like, I'd get it from the band bar. Yeah, yeah. I found out later that that dude, like did one of those like, you know, it online fake universities.

Starting point is 00:50:35 That was the kind of degree. So I wouldn't even put it. If that guy has it, if this doctor has that kind of integrity to sell out like this, don't for a minute think that he's not the same guy too, that would get some bullshit degree just so he says he has a PhD. So, BSU.

Starting point is 00:50:50 Yeah, and a more positive note, just in your correct. Yeah. So when designing jets, because when they do supersonic speeds, the engine can choke because of the airflow. Oh. And so there's some special baffle or cone inside the falcons nose that breaks up the air somehow Yeah, so that you don't have that issue. So they design that into the fight or plan interesting. Yeah, wow even more interesting That out like oh, yeah, I know like running those beads and then figuring out like the things probably crashing or not or like well

Starting point is 00:51:19 I mean think about it. How the burg in a breathe going that yeah, they still have to breathe It's like it's gonna hold you have, you haven't skydived yet before. That's actually one of the hardest parts. One of the hardest parts is when you jump out is the air is blowing so fast in your mouth. You almost kind of feel like you can't breathe. Yeah. And you can't, like, it's a weird feeling.

Starting point is 00:51:36 That makes me want to jump out of playing it more. Yeah, I knew you wouldn't anyway, so. I didn't want something, I'm looking good, dude. Oh, man. It's like the other day when you guys maybe go on the fucking boat dude. But that is this is not for me guys. Is it normal cruising?

Starting point is 00:51:50 No, it's real sailboat. And I got so freaking seasick. Oh, it's terrible. We can't take you anywhere dude. It's a bummer dude. Cause it was even like windy or anything. It was windy and it was going sideways. Anyway, listen, I get seasick get C. C. Kelly easy.

Starting point is 00:52:05 No, yeah, I felt bad for you, bro. I took Zofran and everything. I have like like, like, it was a prescription. That's what's crazy. But you got to be a captain for the last. You actually took medication, you stole that. It hit me hard, and then, and then, and then, what's it get you to?

Starting point is 00:52:19 Impossible to recover. And then the captain, dude, he saw me. He saw my face, like, you all right? I'm like, nope. He goes, come up here, grab the wheel, little home. So the whole time I he saw me he saw my face like you're right nope because come up here grab the wheel a little home so the whole time I'm you know steering the ship looking like I'm awesome but reality I'm just holding on to your life like please God don't let me throw them from my staff this will totally be like you're throwing jokes here's like yeah he's not firing back

Starting point is 00:52:40 so he's probably thinking exactly hey I want to give a shout out or hopefully this guy hears this, I don't remember his name. It's probably better than I don't remember his name. But if you're listening to this, email our team, email it at info at myandputmedia.com. I got pulled over by a CHP and he could have been a total prick to me and was like super cool. And I didn't get to thank him or say anything like that. And he like, he totally went right back to his bike and left. And I'm like, oh man, and I was a mind pump fan obviously,

Starting point is 00:53:13 because when he saw... He was fit. Yeah, that's not why. I mean, he was, he was, but that's not why it was. It was like, he saw the name. And I was like, oh, that's crazy. And then he didn't even get a chance to talk to me left. So, if you email in, I would love to be able to thank you

Starting point is 00:53:27 or talk to you. So, shout out to that CHP. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We appreciate what they do. We might definitely appreciate. Yeah, my brother-in-law is a police officer and he'd tell me stories and stuff they'd do. Man, I hate how sometimes the media goes, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, do that job, man, they got to deal with the craziest shit. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:53:45 Possible job, yeah. I mean, come on. No, I mean, I think of like police officers and teachers are like some of the probably the least valued people that have. Yeah, at least appreciated positions that do some of the most important work to our culture and it's unfortunate that they are undervalued

Starting point is 00:54:05 for what they deliver for us. And because you have one bad teacher, one bad cop or bad experience, it all sudden, like everybody, it's just like, it's so terrible. If you have a bad, you have one bad experience with a personal trainer, I think they're like, all trainers or scumbags or bad people. Yeah, but there's certain jobs

Starting point is 00:54:19 that most people wouldn't want to do because precisely because they're dangerous and scary. Police officer, go fight overseas. You know when people criticize other people join the military go fight? Like, if they, what are you doing dude? I'm not seeing you sign up to go over there and do that shit and put your life on the line. Firefighters like really. Yeah. You know, so like, you know, these are jobs that most people would, I wouldn't want to be a cop. I don't know how I'd be able to deal with that. That's tough. And that's a job we need.

Starting point is 00:54:46 And I feel like today more than ever, the bullshit that they have to take. Totally. You know, like just because they make them like fit in the lines like so much is so like crazy to be able to do how much they're scrutinized. So shout out to him. Much love.

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Starting point is 00:55:54 Tucker, what's up, man? We're doing a gentleman. Good, it's happening. It's good to hear, not to knock, so I actually, I've been a fan of the podcast for a while now. I listen to it a lot on my drives from a US state back to Colorado. When I was one of the drives, I was like,

Starting point is 00:56:14 I have been having this trap pain forever now. I was like, you know what? I'm going to submit a question to you guys. Let's see if I just happen to get a response that I did. Basically, I have this trap pain and almost like forward shoulder feels like I submitted a video to the thing as well. But when I do pull ups and stuff, it almost feels like I have to compensate on one side or even when I'm doing a bench press, it feels like I have to like move my right hand

Starting point is 00:56:46 further away and like almost like kind of drive my shoulder back in a different way and I was trying to see if I had any advice for that or what you guys think it could be. Did you have any injury, any sort of an injury, sport injury or anything like that? I did. I had a pretty traumatic hand injury, my sophomore year of college, I had some glass go through my hand, injured all my entire hand, all the muscle, artery, punctured all the nerves, all the tendons, everything. So I'm still getting some feeling back in the fingers, but during that time I couldn't, like my hand was paralyzed, so I couldn't do any work on my left side, so I did a lot of

Starting point is 00:57:24 work on my left side, so I did a lot of work on my right side. And I'm kind of scared that I might have over-commitated that side, and then when I was getting back to it, I was trying to do different kinds of, you know, old variations or whatever it was, and I had a, like, use a wrap because I didn't have mobility in my fingers to pull. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:41 Yeah, I don't know. Do you have any of our programs right now? I do not. Okay, map symmetry, bro. That's what maps. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll send map symmetry over to you. And have you ever trained like a whole like a whole training block, meaning for like months of unilateral work or one side of everything? I've never done. I've always just I've done like some unilateral stuff when I work out like this morning I did like one unilateral exercise but I've never done it as an entire vlog for a period of time.

Starting point is 00:58:12 Yeah, I think you'll get tremendous benefit. I mean I can see on the right side, I can see what you're talking about. Before doing that though, let me ask you some more questions. Do you have any neck injuries or neck pain? My, I always have to crack my reps right set of my neck. I always have to go like I just crack right there. I do that. I do that. I do not. Where do you feel Piny Point to the trap pain? I guess kind of on the top. It's not as severe right now, but then it all still sometimes like kind of I guess I'm holding my shirt. But right here too. Yeah, I don't think it's your trap.

Starting point is 00:58:45 I think it's the maybe levitate or scapulae muscle. So it's one of the muscles that elevates the shoulder blade. But I don't think it's a muscle issue though. I think it might be coming from your neck. So it happens when a muscle feels chronically tight or like it kind of hurts. Oftentimes what's happening is there's an instability that your body is sensing.

Starting point is 00:59:08 And so it tightens muscles, it tightens muscles up around the instability to provide stability. But then what happens, like if you were flexing your bicep constantly, that muscle will start to get tight and kind of feel fatigue, then it feels better to press on it, you'll get too relief. But then it kind of comes back. So I feel like this is coming from your neck. I think doing movements that will help with traction

Starting point is 00:59:33 through the spine might be a good idea. I think like the wall test in maps prime would probably be pretty good. I think a prone cobra exercise, where you depress the scapula and create length in your spine, where you're kind of lifting the very, very top of your head and trying to create length throughout the spine, might help. I don't think you should do any pull down movements for now. I think rowing is okay, but I would go really light.

Starting point is 01:00:04 And I would focus on bringing the shoulder blades back, but down. All you know, I think rowing is okay, but I would go really light and I would focus on bringing the shoulder blades back, but down, all you know, I don't work down. Back, but down, really squeezing back and down and going really light, because what you're trying to do is create length in the spine. So you want to create length between the shoulder and the spine, but I don't want you to create length by turning your head too off and crack. The cracking of the neck will feel okay or feel better because you're probably articulating small joints that are also tight with some stabilizer muscles, but that's not going to be

Starting point is 01:00:35 a permanent solution. I think, well, I just think prime pro is a little more specific to like neck and upper back any kind of like instability and addressing and kind of range of motion issue So I think going through that would be a good idea to even if it's like we so we have net cars but Just finding out kind of limitations with that and maybe some restrictions in terms of like the ability of you to rotate with your neck and have Control and strength there and support and then also to with the shoulder blades in terms of like each one of So it takes you through all the different

Starting point is 01:01:16 Abilities of elevating depressing retracting and protracting and just kind of taking it through those ranges of motion To sort of get it to respond appropriately, maybe sometimes like it's just not responding appropriately and so we need to strengthen better movement patterns and really that's what, you know, the work needs to go in that direction for you then to go into, you know, training with weights and be able to add kind of load.

Starting point is 01:01:41 He might need to take like a lacrosse ball to kind of relate to first. That might help open up. So the first thing I You might need to take a lacrosse ball to kind of relate to first. That might help open up. Yeah. So the first thing I would do is probably take a lacrosse ball against a wall or the floor if you can handle that pressure and kind of roll that area that gives you temporary relief. That'll get the CNS to kind of calm down a little bit.

Starting point is 01:01:56 Then I would go to the MAPS Prime Pro movements that Justin's referring to. And then when I go to training, I would train Mapsimetry. And when I train, I would take the advice at Salah saying, which is really, really pay attention when you get onto that side of retracting and depressing the shoulder, and like taking the movement nice and slow,

Starting point is 01:02:15 don't get obsessed with trying to increase weight, get more weight, get obsessed with the technique and the form of it. I mean, that would be, I'm gonna, I'll try something right now through video, it might be kind of hard, but you can see me I mean, that would be... I'll try something right now through video. Might be kind of hard, but you could see me, right, Tucker? Yes, I did.

Starting point is 01:02:28 Okay, so put your, so it's your, what is your right arm? Yeah. Okay, so extend your right arm up above your head. Nice and straight, really straight and round the wild. Yeah, lock your elbow. Okay, but keep your head straight because I see you turning here. So, strain your...

Starting point is 01:02:41 Try to press your body down. Okay, now why? Sit down real quick. Now, while keeping your arm and everything elevated, can you bring your shoulder down? Can you show your shoulder down? Yeah, just like this. Okay, try that again.

Starting point is 01:02:51 So, lift your arm up. Now, while locking your elbow out, drop your shoulder down. Bring your shoulder down. Bring it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep pressing that. He's trying right now.

Starting point is 01:03:04 Okay, pressing it. Now now while you're depressing the shoulder with that happening, this is what I want you to do with your head. Without turning your head, now bring your left ear down towards your shoulder. Without turning my head. Without turning your head, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. Press your arm up and drop your shoulder.

Starting point is 01:03:19 Really drop your shoulder, really pull it down. That's it, it's real hard. I'm trying, I'm trying. Okay, now bring your ear down slowly on the other side and you'll feel a little bit of relief where you should. Yeah. I mean, he's now he's anchoring it. You feel that? Okay, I want you to hold that, keep bringing the shoulder down as hard as you can.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Sustyl Vater skil, yeah. Yeah. You notice how challenging that is just to do that. Yeah. Now, it's so hard. Okay, now keep doing that, keep doing that, but keep that elbow locked. Keep that elbow locked out. Yeah, I it's it's okay now keep doing that keep doing that but keep that elbow Locked keep that elbow locked out you'll lock the elbow yeah, but drop the shoulder drop the shoulder Okay, now slowly come out And come back down to regular position you can put your arm down at your side And just kind of chill there for a second

Starting point is 01:03:58 Do you notice any difference in how that area feels is it feel a little bit better move around? I don't know test it a little bit It almost feels like it wants to like but can't kind of pull me back, like, up and away. Like, it feels like, like, my posture wants to be kind of re-credit. Yeah. Re-credit. Did you notice any relief for, like, you were stretching some of the areas that were tight? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:18 Okay. I saw it was like, it was almost a workout, two in a way, as well, like, back here, and then there was a stretch kind of going on here. So you're going to have a little difficulty there then there was a stretch kind of of stability there. Yeah, there's some instability there. And so, you know, I like the wall test better than anything else. That we said because you really are gonna,

Starting point is 01:04:33 but you gotta do it right. It's gonna create some natural traction in the spine. So traction is the spine trying to lengthen, but not passively, it's you with your muscles in the wall test, creams, tall position, holding everything, it's not anything. It's not anything where it needs to be. And pulling things down and that'll help kind of create the space where your body's going to feel a little more stable.

Starting point is 01:04:57 Is that in prime pro two or the only in prime? That's the only improvement is only in prime. That's only in prime. So that's it. We're going to get the guest to give you that's it. We're gonna give you both. We're gonna give you a bunch of shares. We have free programs. Yeah. So I almost want you to get in the form too,

Starting point is 01:05:09 so I can actually see you do the movement. Cause one of the things that's really important, you notice when Sal was telling you that, the tendencies that you had to wanna move your head, and then you notice your elbow wanted to break, the key to this is recognizing that. If you just go through the movement, where you're just like,

Starting point is 01:05:25 no, if you lift my arm and then I tilt my head, and then you'll, if you allow yourself to cheat the movement and it's not really difficult, hard, we're not working on that stability, we're not firing those neurons over that area and lighten it all up. And so you'll just deviate from that. So it is important how you do this.

Starting point is 01:05:40 When you watch the videos in Prime and Prime Pro, you'll hear the coaching cues that Dr. Brink is doing with one of us. It's so important that you really pay attention to that when you do it, because if you just kind of go through the motions, you're not. I mean, what I did was very far from ideal, because in a perfect world, I'd be there with you. I'd hold your elbow. I'd help you, pull it in position, I'd press on the muscle that I'm trying to get to relax, I'd help put you in where you need to.

Starting point is 01:06:08 So I'm having a rigid surface like a wall like that to give you feedback in terms of your spine is gonna be really helpful. But we'll send you all that stuff, but look at the wall test and do it exactly as it's laid out and try to create the feeling that we created here when I walked you through that movement and do that before you work out.

Starting point is 01:06:26 So then do symmetry. And by the way, it's so great, you look at young guys. So it's good that you're aware of this now and you're trying to address it because you don't know how many 40, 50 year old clients that we used to get that had this at 20 years old, just kept going about their life. Because they can't raise their arm a little.

Starting point is 01:06:44 Yeah, and they can't do do and then to undo that when you're 50 is so much more it would take me Months as a trainer so you know being aware of it now and already starting to work towards that is so important But stick to the unilateral work and within listen honestly God within four to six weeks if you do it right You should know just pretty significant difference And I should keep my way like more on the life side. Oh yeah. I know I should. I just it's one of the things.

Starting point is 01:07:09 When you go about those garbage, I'd be like, I know I can lift so much more weight than this. Focus on muscle connected. I know as soon as I do my form, kind of quick and back. Yeah. Now, if you go, if you go heavier than you can do with this, what, what we're trying to do, your body's in a river to its old recruitment pattern. Because right now, you're stronger

Starting point is 01:07:28 with the poor recruitment pattern than you are with a good or proper recruitment pattern. So if you add weight, you're just gonna go back to crappy recruitment patterns and you're gonna strengthen them. You're gonna make them worse. You can still, I mean, this is a great time to, like you probably heard me talk on the show about tempo.

Starting point is 01:07:43 Like this is a good time to really mess with tempo slow down your tempo getting good squeeze at the top you can still build muscle yeah exactly people think that oh man I gotta do this rehab bullshit I'm not gonna get I'm gonna lose my muscle and I can't you know you could still build muscle you can still look great like but just get obsessed with the technique now okay perfect and then also got a quick question on that note is swimming. Okay. I'm a swimming class right now here at USC and I, you didn't get a tag. I said, no, I'm kind of going over my shoulder. I mean, you're fine. I can drop it. Listen, you're fine. But

Starting point is 01:08:19 here's an example of actually when you go through the exercises where teaching you should definitely do these those zone one stuff before you go do your swim class. Like you don't take, it'll take you like literally two or three minutes, like if I'm sure there's a wall somewhere in the class, I get against a wall, warm up and prime yourself really well before that will make a big difference in your mechanics in the way you swim.

Starting point is 01:08:40 I would prime before and after. Yes, you know, that'll be all right. That'll help. Okay, perfect. I appreciate your time is kind of a lot also quick side note I Never go with the father figure so kind of hearing the way you guys interact with your kids and your wives and all that Has kind of meant a lot to me and just like I'm honest to learn a lot from it I think it into like my various relationships that I've had with you know women at my age so I I appreciated a lot

Starting point is 01:09:02 You guys you got to do thanks, man. Thanks, please dude Of course. And do other assures and stuff. Take it easy. I guess moustaches are back in style. Yeah. It's a cool moustache. A lot of kids with the stashes.

Starting point is 01:09:13 Yeah. Yeah. What he had, I mean, that's super common, what he feels. And it oftentimes, the way he explained it, it feels, it's typically instability in the neck or in the scapula. And all we're doing is we're trying for people watching and listening. All we're doing is essentially, this is generally what's happening. You're telling the body it's safe to move in the way that you need it to move.

Starting point is 01:09:39 It's protective. Your body is trying to protect you, you know, any kind of instability. And it just exaggerates when you're doing your everyday activities where you're just kind of sitting at your desk and you're leaning forward. So this is something, you know, the quicker he addresses this, the easier it's going to be for him to leave you. We didn't get the chance to see because he sent a video of him doing pull-ups from behind. But a lot of times you'll also see this manifest in in their chest. Because he's got this slight rolling forward. So I had this, right?

Starting point is 01:10:10 So I had this is what I had in my 20s and I had this and what I noticed more than pain, because I actually didn't get a lot of pain so much, but I did have the rolling of the shoulder and I had this massive discrepancy between the left and my right. You're seeing that I'm having the asymmetry when you go to press. Yes, so it is very common like where where where it manifests how it feels to the person as far as like a pain or they just notice the imbalance or What are what that by the way? You know, it's really good at what I said with the spinal traction L. Doha. Oh, yeah, L. Doha for people I don't know. Spinal traction. Yes coaches and trainers. L. Doha is one of the best. You know what we we actually have some on the Mind Pump TV channel. You do a couple really good ones. I think you even did a few of them.

Starting point is 01:10:47 I did. And that is traction through, not passive, but active. And it really makes a big difference for stuff like this. You have done that. Our next color is Madison from Indiana. Hi, Madison. How can we help you? Hi, guys.

Starting point is 01:11:01 How are you? We're good. How are you? Good. This is crazy, I'm a little nervous as most people are. So. No problem. Justin's nervous too.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Yep, I always am. That's obvious. How can we help you? Well, I guess I will get straight into my question. A little bit of background. I have come from a big weight loss journey. I do have to say thank you to you guys. I've done this three times in the last 10 years of my life. I have lost and gained significant amounts of weight and

Starting point is 01:11:36 following yours. Guys' advice says what's helped me keep it off. So thank you so much. You got it. Awesome. But anyways, so I had planned all this year to run PowerLift this fall. I did have the intention of leaning down a little more to about 145 before I started it. So that I had a little wiggle room to eat so that I could get the most out of the program. But like I said, my email long story short, that didn't happen. I am currently sitting at about 155. And I'm just wondering how to approach starting the program with my nutrition, since I don't have as much wiggle room as I had intended to have. Yeah, question. Yeah, there's more in your question

Starting point is 01:12:30 that we can read just so you know for the audience that you had lost a hundred pounds. You did it a lot through OTF five days a week and look like you restricted calories. Where are your calories at right now? Currently, I'm maintaining at about 2100. Oh, you're not in that place. Madison, you're in a good place.

Starting point is 01:12:50 You mentioned, do you mind if I talk a little bit more about the question that you sent in to the audience? Yeah, for sure. It says in here that you had developed a binge eating disorder? Yeah. How is that now? I'm actually just over a year binge-free with very little urges, which is awesome. I did recently, I find that when I try to intentionally cut about three to four weeks consistently into the cut before I start noticing those binge thoughts coming back, which I

Starting point is 01:13:28 like to prioritize my binge recovery over cutting. So I have to kind of bump the calories back up and I think that's why I didn't get to where I wanted to be. Madison, you're doing a great job. That's exactly what you try and score. It's a smart job. That's exactly what you try. It's mortality. Okay, so all right. First off, that's exactly what you should do. You need to prioritize that over any kind of aesthetic goal or calorie goal. In fact, if you find that counting calories and tracking things is a trigger for

Starting point is 01:14:00 you, the last thing you should do is track your calories and count things. I don't think you should do that at all. If you find that as a trigger, you, the last thing you should do is track your calories and count things. I don't think you should do that at all if you find that as a trigger. You mind if I ask you a question, Madison? Yeah, for sure. And I want you to answer honestly, okay? Yeah. Um, do you, do you love yourself? I do.

Starting point is 01:14:23 I'm still, um, working on it, but I definitely do more than I use to. Okay. What comes up for you when you want to binge? What is the feeling? Is it the distraction of it or is it the lack of control feeling? I think it's the lack of control. I definitely am known to be a control freak in my life, for sure. And I think it's also the fear of having to restrict forever, which I know I don't have to, but like I said, I've done, I've overly restricted for so long that the thought of gaining that back does kind of trigger that for me.

Starting point is 01:15:13 Yeah, we don't need to go deep into this, but sometimes what happens is that people either, they have a relationship with restrictions and control, and they can come from a lot of different places like feeling like you were too controlled as a kid or feeling like you had no control so you put a lot on yourself, a lot of parameters and then what happens is you rebel against it and there's a version of you that's rebelling

Starting point is 01:15:38 and it's probably a young version of yourself. And so you need to tell that person that it's okay, that it's safe now, they don't have to do that anymore that you appreciate that they Were there for you, but you don't need them to do that anymore And then what I want you to do is I want you to work out and eat in a way that is unstructured. I know that sounds crazy You can follow the program that we laid out, but I don't want you to put too many parameters I don't want you to put too many parameters. I don't want you to put parameters on your diet because that's going to result as it has in the past, like you're feeling

Starting point is 01:16:12 confined and the rebellion is going to put you in the opposite direction. Okay. What I want you to do literally, literally is I want you to eat when you're hungry. I want you to not eat when you're hungry and I don't want you to worry about how much you eat. I just want you to eat when you're hungry. I want you to not eat when you're hungry. And I don't want you to worry about how much you eat. I just want you to eat foods that are healthy. So eat as much as you want. Eat as much as you want. Just pick foods that are gonna nourish you. And this is the way that I want you to approach it.

Starting point is 01:16:38 Don't approach it from a restriction mentality. These are the only foods I can eat. I can't eat these other foods. These are healthy, these are unhealthy. That's not what I want you to do. What I want you to do is say, I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat, I'm just gonna take care of myself. So here's the foods that I'm gonna eat.

Starting point is 01:16:54 And that's it. And don't restrict, don't cut, don't tell yourself I gotta stop eating, I'm eating too much. Don't judge what happened after the meal. You just eat until you're satisfied. I want you to learn what that feels like to feel satisfied. It's very different than feeling stuffed.

Starting point is 01:17:12 Satisfied is a different feeling. It's like 70% of stuffed. So just wait, just learn how to understand what that feels like until you're satisfied. And then all I want you to do with your workout is try to get strong. That's it. And I don't want you to worry about the scale. I don't want you to worry about the scale and I want you to do with your workout is try to get strong. That's it. And I don't want you to worry about the scale.

Starting point is 01:17:26 I don't want you to worry about the scale. I don't want you to worry about the mirror. This is a season of self-care. Okay. And at the end of it, you're gonna get what you want. But the irony is you can't chase what you want because you won't get it. So stop chasing the, I wanna look a particular way

Starting point is 01:17:42 or way a particular way. That's gonna make you go in the opposite direction. Just, I'm gonna get strong, I'm gonna get strong, I'm gonna eat when I'm hungry, I'm gonna stop when I'm satisfied, and I'm gonna eat foods that nourish my body, so, because I wanna take care of myself. Just start there, that's all I want you to do,

Starting point is 01:17:58 start there, that'll put you in the right direction. Anything else is gonna probably result in you feeling too confined or controlled or like you're being tyrannized. And then you're going to rebel. That small side of you, that little version of you, that little girl version of you is going to say, I'm out of here. I got it. I don't want to feel this anymore. I'm going to do what I want, type of deal. And then you're going to be in conflict with that person. So that's where you need to start. If you were my client, what have you track anything?

Starting point is 01:18:28 Two things to add to that. One, since you're already following PowerLift, by the way, I think is a perfect program. That's the perfect program for you to follow right now. We're gonna put you in the form for free if you're not already in there. So we can keep an eye on this journey. Okay, so I'm gonna have-

Starting point is 01:18:43 Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah, we're gonna have Doug put you in there. And here's the thing that's cool just to add to what Sal was saying is that if you can do this, if you can eat and feed yourself like you love yourself and nourishing your body and thinking like that and not obsessing over, oh, how many calories was that and not worrying about that? It's amazing what the body will naturally do for you. It, when you have a great lifting session and you hit a new PR, you'll find out you're probably a little bit hungry and you eat a little more,

Starting point is 01:19:10 which is okay, because guess what? Those calories will go to building muscle. And guess what, when you build some more muscle, it speeds the metabolism up. So then you'll probably naturally lean out a little bit also. It's amazing when we allow the body to do what it's supposed to do.

Starting point is 01:19:23 We don't abuse it. And we let it talk to us on what it needs. And we just focus on the training and get stronger. So this way will actually get you to the goal that you ultimately want, whether that's some arbitrary number of 10 more pounds off, I guarantee you'll get the body you're chasing the physique that you might be chasing. That will happen regardless of like the way to cut None of that stuff needs to happen if you focus this way and just get strong following the program It'll it'll work out the way you want to go. Madison went after you have those those when you feel like you're getting triggered

Starting point is 01:19:57 You're gonna move in that direction and let's say you do let's say you do move in that direction Afterwards, how do you feel about yourself and what happened? After I've been. Yeah. I definitely don't feel good. I do give myself more grace now than I used to for sure. Okay. So yeah, like I said the last year, I've definitely worked on that a lot and I'm really proud

Starting point is 01:20:28 of myself. And I guess I thought because I was doing so well in recovery that I was ready to cut, but like I said, I got about four weeks in and I was like, I'm not sure if this is what if I'm ready for this yet. That's great. So yeah, great self-awareness. Yeah, really.'m ready for this yet. That's great. So yeah, that's great. Self-awareness. I really have empathy for that side of you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:48 So in other words, like, look at that side of you and be like, you know what, you've protected me for a long time and I appreciate that. I don't need that anymore, but I appreciate you being there and trying to protect me. That's the conversation you should have. And the last thing I'm gonna say is this, Madison, if you do what I'm saying, okay,

Starting point is 01:21:07 you're going to get the look that you want. Now, I don't want you to do it to get the look. This is the irony of what I'm saying, because if you do it for the look, it's not gonna work. But just trust that you're gonna look the way you want. If you do this for the reasons that I said, that's the only way to get there. That's the only way. But it has to be true.

Starting point is 01:21:24 It can't be fake. It can't be fake. It can't be like, well, I'm gonna do this thing so I can look this way. You gotta be like, I'm gonna do this thing. I'm not gonna care what the result is, but I'm here to assure you that the result's gonna be a healthy, vibrant looking version of yourself. You're absolutely crushing it though.

Starting point is 01:21:40 I wanna point that out. Yeah, I mean, your level of self-awareness, your journey where you came from, what you're doing right now, the fact that you've been bench-free for a year, your mindset to go to power lift, I mean, you're winning on all accounts right now. This is just like the next level,

Starting point is 01:21:57 if you are a client that we tried to take you to. And putting you in the form so we can keep an eye on you, and just communicate with us. Just try that. Just try to steer intuition with us. Yeah, just let us know how you're doing every month. I can't wait to see how this is for the next six months for you, because I think you're crushing it. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to.

Starting point is 01:22:15 I thought I'm not tracking does, I don't think I've ever done that for more, at least since I lost weight for more than like a week at a time. So the thought of giving up that control is slightly hard, but I think it'll be good and I think I can do it. You're ready. You're ready. And you have us. So we're going to be with you through that. So if you do have challenges with it, tag us, right? It's going to write to us in the form. It's going to trust in it. Scary, but free it really it's like taking off the training wheels on your bike

Starting point is 01:22:47 At first you're kind of scared, but then you're like oh my god I can go real fast and I can do really cool stuff. So that's what's gonna. That's on the other end of this Now should I finish power left when after I've not tracked at what point would it be beneficial to me to start tracking again? Never. Or would I need to? Never. Hopefully you never have to. Never.

Starting point is 01:23:09 No, hopefully the goal is you trust this process and you feel better and you continue to look better and you feel more free than you've ever felt. You know, really in tune with your body this way. Most women, okay, if they do it this way, will walk around between 18 to 22, 23% body fat, which is lean, sculpted, and shapely. Most women, their body will fall right in that body fat percentage range without ever tracking a single calorie. Tracking becomes necessary when you start to push your body

Starting point is 01:23:41 beyond healthy. That's when it starts to become more necessary. But in your case, you're gonna get what you want if you just do it this way, and you'll never have to track. Okay, I mean, that would be amazing. Yeah, so. It is amazing, because that's what's gonna happen.

Starting point is 01:24:01 Yep. We're gonna have Doug get you in the forum. We'll see you in there. You got this. Well, thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. You got him out of center. Well, that's good self-awareness

Starting point is 01:24:12 because most people would have just, oh yeah. She's quite knuckle-ditt. Yeah. She's killing it, bro. I mean, even where her calories are right now, especially coming from somebody who did it with the aggressive cut.

Starting point is 01:24:25 Yeah, when she said 2100 and she's 5557, she's actually in a, she's fine. Yeah. Her weight probably isn't good enough. Her weight is already actually in a good spot. I bet if she just, like you said, eat, eat, eat when you're hungry, feed yourself good foods,

Starting point is 01:24:41 train hard, get strong. She'll have this beautiful exchange. Yeah. If she probably won't move that much on the scale. She'll just get leaner, stronger, tighter, and like feel amazing. She's doing really good. Our next caller is John from California. John, what's up, man?

Starting point is 01:24:57 How you doing? John. How's it going, fellas? Good. What's happening? Thanks for taking my call. I'll just get right into my question real quick. I'm 41, six feet tall, 240 pounds, about 14 and a half percent body fat according to

Starting point is 01:25:12 a Dexascan. I feel great, strength is good. I don't really have much, many aches or pains. Cardio is good enough for what I do hiking walking stuff like that. I run through power lift symmetry maps 15 and just a quick update I finished anabolic and now I'm doing symmetry again. I was able to gain five pounds of muscle after center or sorry after anabolic last time and no change in body fat and I attribute that to that, you guys,

Starting point is 01:25:45 and your programs, and I'm really happy with the results. I'm on TRT working with MPHormons. My question is, is there any downside to carrying that much muscle in terms of longevity and health span? I definitely enjoy heavier lifting, like the five by five style, even though I've done the like symmetry this is my second time. So um but like since I've built this much muscle is there should I be doing anything different to kind of change my focus maybe like a maps cardio that puts a little less emphasis on building muscle or like a maps 15 where I do you know 15 minutes

Starting point is 01:26:28 and then kind of do some cardio stuff for help. Yeah, we're going to put you on maps pilates. All right, so I'm happy. I mean, John, how do you feel? Like joints, movement, like mobility, the ability to sit down like I mean sit down. Do you feel good? Overall, pretty good. I definitely could use a little bit more mobility stuff in shoulders and ankles mostly, but no pain really. How's your stamina? Stamina's fine.

Starting point is 01:27:03 I go on hikes and stuff, and I don't have any problems there I a lot of times I do it with a weighted vest even and just this no problem. So I go on 15-minute walks three times a day after each meal basically and you know brisk walks but overall yeah I'd say you're in a pretty good deal. What are you concerned about? You just too much attention from the ladies What are you concerned about? You just too much attention from the ladies. No, I'm married, so I don't need any of that. That could be an interesting concern.

Starting point is 01:27:34 I guess I could be guilty of comparing myself. I know style, you're like 205 or 10 pounds. So I see myself at 240 and I'm like, whoa, maybe. Way bigger than a ball. You think he's like, I'm just like, wait a minute, why am I so much bigger than a ball? No, okay, so you know what, you know what, you know what,

Starting point is 01:27:54 sounds like he's like obsessed with the gym, dude. You don't want to be that kind of guy. No, listen, listen, here's, okay, so here's the general question that I hear is there an issue with a lot of muscle mass and longevity, right? That's the main general question. Is that correct, John? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Just a good question. It is.

Starting point is 01:28:10 This is a great question. Yeah. Okay. So muscle mass is very strongly associated with longevity, meaning the more muscle you have, the longer you're probably going to live. Now, of course, people then say, well, what do you mean? What about a body builder or a power lifter or a strong man athlete? Like what about those people? That's, and to that I say, look, those are extremes. Any extreme pursuit you are gonna trade longevity

Starting point is 01:28:40 for performance. If you build a certain amount of muscle naturally, it's probably going to be healthy. But we need to look at the methods that you're using to get to that muscle, and that'll tell you more about your longevity than the muscle itself. So what does that mean? Well, let's say you're 240 pounds, you're 14% body fat, you're eating pretty healthy, you're training, you're doing your cardiovascular training, you feel good, but you want to gain another 10 pounds of lean body mass. So now you're going on a bulk and you're really pushing the calories and it's hard to eat that many calories, but you're kind of forcing yourself.

Starting point is 01:29:13 And maybe now you're going to the gym and you're pushing weights that are borderline injury risk is starting to get up high, you're starting to feel your joints ache a little bit. And then maybe you push your TRT a little bit, you go from your normal dose to a little higher because you want the extra lean body mass. Well, now you're sacrificing longevity for performance. So it's really about the methods used to get where you want, not the muscle itself.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Some people can sit around, you know, like you, I don't know necessarily what your lifestyle looks like, but if you have the genetics that allows you to carry 240 pounds at a relatively lean body fat percentage, and you're not doing these crazy extreme things where you're going beyond longevity and just pushing extreme performance,

Starting point is 01:29:56 that's healthy for you. There's gonna be a genetic variance between people. I'm not gonna carry as much muscle mass as, let's say, Justin Will living the same lifestyle. I'm not going to carry as much muscle mass as let's say Justin will living the same lifestyle. I'm just not. My body doesn't naturally do that. For me to carry the muscle mass that Justin would have, for example, I would have to go be on longevity and push more into performance. So that's really what you're looking at is look at your lifestyle and say,

Starting point is 01:30:23 okay, am I doing things that are going beyond longevity to push my body into these extreme pursuits? And by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. There's also quality of life. That plays a role. I definitely sacrifice longevity all the time for performance, and I'll readily admit that. That's okay with for me.

Starting point is 01:30:42 I wouldn't recommend other people do it because I'm a better trainer for other people than myself. But that's just kind of full disclosure. So that's okay with for me. I wouldn't recommend other people do it because I'm a better trainer for other people than myself. But that's just kind of full disclosure. So that's really the conversation that you don't want to have with yourself. So it's such a great way to put it, Sal. And I also think that there, I mean, also have, I don't know, some latitude or empathy for yourself.

Starting point is 01:30:58 I think it's okay to have moments of time when you do that. Like so I agree, you know, I think that there's times where I'm not the best, you know, trainer for myself where I'm pushing the boundaries. Oh, I really want to gain right now. But then I'll come out of that. Like I won't stay in that mindset. Like I just, I'm gonna chase a PR for a while, so I'm gonna push calories.

Starting point is 01:31:20 I'm really gonna push weight. I know that's not ideal for longevity for me to be chasing that aggressively. And then I might do that for a period of time and they go, okay, you know what? Now it's time to go through a mobility kick. I'm gonna reduce my calories and I'm gonna be the mobility guy for the next six months.

Starting point is 01:31:36 I mean, when we're all in our 40s, right? So when we get to this point in our life, I think that's just important that you kind of cycle through that mindset. And I think if longevity is the goal, it's good to move in and out of all those kind of mindsets. There is definitely value to building some muscle and getting really strong.

Starting point is 01:31:55 Then there's also a lot of value of letting go of that for a little while and saying, hey, I'm gonna get really mobile for a while and I'm gonna see, I'm gonna maybe push endurance. That's great. The other side of that too is the mental growth that comes from doing that. Because, again, I don't know you personally John,

Starting point is 01:32:10 but let's just say you're very attached to this amount of muscle size and strength. And this is like, you don't wanna lose it. Well, there could be some growth from moving out of heavy strength training and moving purely in the mobility and allowing yourself to lose some of that size and moving purely in the mobility and allowing yourself to lose some of that size and muscle because of the personal growth that you may go through

Starting point is 01:32:31 detaching from always having to look, you know, 240 pounds and be this big guy. So, so there's a lot of different, it's more complex than just being like, you know, this much muscle is good, this much muscle is bad. But again, there's muscle itself, by itself, is correlated with longevity. It's really about how you got the muscle.

Starting point is 01:32:51 That's what you need to examine and see if you're healthier or if you're now pushing beyond health and more into performance. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you. I think, too, like in terms of risk reward, because you're so drawn towards five by five and stacking plates and lifting heavy amounts of weight. That's where when we start to really talk about longevity,

Starting point is 01:33:15 we gotta interrupt that. And either with mobility, or you're already doing that kind of naturally with symmetry, which I think is smart, but really to consider just all the different planes of movement and to be able to strengthen and support your body in those pursuits. So you go back, you sort of reinforce and you build strength around the joints and then you come back and you press it a bit.

Starting point is 01:33:37 So it's a bit of an undulating approach where we can bring in that intensity again and we can get back to kind of what you love. But you just have to just break it up naturally and just keep moving in a direction where it's benefiting your body. Yep. Is that answer? Does that help you a little bit? Yeah, that's perfect.

Starting point is 01:33:54 Yeah, I think I've had a fairly healthy relationship with it. I basically just follow your programs to a T. I'm not pushing the TRT harder than it needs to be at all. Like, so yeah, I don't think that I would, and I know I wouldn't enjoy the mobility stuff as much because I am kind of stuck on how I look and feel, but I know that it would be beneficial to work on my mobility, especially my shoulder and my ankles and stuff.

Starting point is 01:34:28 Were you an athlete? Were you an athlete in college high school? No, I mean, I played baseball in the summers and stuff, but not really competitively at all. Just a big corn fed farm boy kind of central valley. Yeah, I mean, you were in the central valley you from? Well, Clovis, but Fresno. Okay, I just see you look kind of familiar, too. Are you a police officer? You look like a cop? No

Starting point is 01:34:52 I know you Adam Adam and Justin recognize it. Maybe you're a cop. Maybe full. We're in a motorcycle I'm not this is my I have called in before though, so okay, that's probably why. I just say you don't really get on it. Yeah, that's about it. Do you have maps? Okay. Do you have mass performance? Yeah, I have mass performance.

Starting point is 01:35:12 Okay. I got halfway through and then I moved to power lift when I first got into you guys. So I like the mobility sessions for you. Yeah. You should do those on your off days. I think that'll be good. Yeah, that's a good point too, by the way.

Starting point is 01:35:27 It sounds like you are pretty well versed in our programs. Now you can start to play with them a little bit, right? So maybe you're running like a power lift type of protocol, but then you got two days out of the week where you're like, you know what? Today I'm just going to do all mobility for maps programming. You talk about doing your hikes, right? So like I might go, say we're running power lift and then on Saturdays, you like to do these hikes, I might say, before you

Starting point is 01:35:50 go do your hour hike or whatever, spend 20 to 30 minutes doing a mobility session. So if you were my client and this was kind of the question, I would also encourage you to kind of start to mold our programs a little bit to what you know you need with what you know you like to do and balancing them out. Here's Adam's hack for that. That he really does a good job with is fall in love with the new goal.

Starting point is 01:36:13 And that way you're okay with, you know, like, okay, that's it. I'm gonna become like excellent at mobility. And it makes it a lot easier to move away from the strength and size aspect because now you're focused so hard on a different goal. It's a nice hack for those of us that get attached to the strength and size aspect because now your focus is so hard on a different goal. It's a nice hack for those of us that get attached to the muscle and strength.

Starting point is 01:36:30 Okay, yeah, that sounds good. You got it. Thanks for calling John. See you John. All right, thanks guys, take care. Just a hammer this home. So there was a study that I brought up a while ago on pro bodybuilders.

Starting point is 01:36:43 Okay, now pro bodybuilders are the extreme, not the healthiest athletes to put it lightly. These are extreme athletes, everything they do is extreme, their training is extreme, their dieting is extreme, the drugs that they use to look the way they do is extreme. So they don't do anything for health, it's all for extreme pursuits of muscle growth. Here's the funny, this is how protective muscle is. Their life spans on average match those of the average

Starting point is 01:37:09 American. So you think, okay, well, the average American is not very healthy. Sure, but they're not doing the crazy shit that bodybuilders are doing. But here's where it's crazy. Bodybuilders have a significant lower rate of cancer. Even though they live that and they take growth hormone like you wouldn't even believe in testosterone and steroids, and they just, oh, terrible stuff. And yet, they get cancer at lower rates because muscle, and they have diabetes at far lower rates because that's how protective muscle is.

Starting point is 01:37:36 And I'm using one of the unhealthiest groups of athletes just so that people understand how protective muscle is. It's really about what you do to get the muscle. That's what can make you unhealthy. I actually want Doug to write that down for you to do that as an opener to one of our quads because I don't think I've ever heard you actually say it like that. And I think that's really, really good advice because how often do we get asked like question like that where I am this percent body fat on this old is this healthy or this and there's such a wide

Starting point is 01:38:05 spectrum of how much muscle you should or shouldn't have for health and longevity for every person it's individualized and so probably the best advice you've ever I've ever heard you give like in regards that was just now was that it's how you got there that matters more than that if you had to just like if you were shredded and you had to like starve yourself to do that or do hours and hours about, it's probably not really healthy. This is like this is where you say, yeah, if you're a 6% body fat, which I would normally save for the average person, that's not a healthy place to be, but you do that naturally without really trying just by making good food for people to be healthy. And training five days a week, well, you're a person just humming. Yeah, you're a person

Starting point is 01:38:43 who that does make a sense. And that's why there's, we can't just week, well, you're a person. You're a person just humming. Yeah, you're a person who that does make a sense. And that's why we can't just say, oh, that percentage is unhealthy. I mean, I used Justin as an example, because I would say him and I are on two sides of this particular spectrum. For me to carry the muscle mass, that he can carry in a healthy way,

Starting point is 01:38:58 I would have to push myself beyond health. Yes. And I think for leanness, it would be the same for you, right? Just for you to walk around at 7%, I'd be pushing it hard. It would be things that were healthy. So, I mean, that's just it would be the same for you. Right? Just if you were to walk around at 7%, I'd be pushing it hard. It would be things that were healthy. So, I mean, that's just an example of where that spectrum was.

Starting point is 01:39:09 Yes. Next caller is Garrett from California. Garrett, welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me back. Yeah, I called in a year and a half ago or so. I don't know if you probably, you know, you get a lot of calls. So I'm not sure you remember my question, but my original question was around training for two seasonal athletic events, an ultramarathon in July and teaching skiing in December and

Starting point is 01:39:36 January. Oh, yeah. And you all ended up giving me maps performance and you gave me some advice on how to kind of structure that training. I just wanted to kind of, one of the reasons I wanted to call in was to give a progress report and just say that like it worked out great. I ran maps performance a bunch of times in a row. You know, I managed to say healthy through the ultra and then this year through all of

Starting point is 01:40:03 my marathon and ultra marathon training. And then for, you know, as you're probably aware, we had a pretty epic ski season last year. And I hit the ground running with that and felt really good and was able to ski strong all season. So yeah, one to say really appreciated that all of that. Also right on. And yeah, for my follow up question, I've noticed that there's several places kind of in a sort of a cluster where I feel like I'm weak. And so the three places are when I'm skating during skiing, my side butt, which I think is like the glidious, medias, it just gets really exhausted really quickly, like takes a while. And after a while, I sort of build up that strength and endurance.

Starting point is 01:40:56 When I'm running sprints, those will just destroy my hamstrings. And then in maps performance, when I'm doing like a lot of the kind of more the high volume lunges, my hips get really sore. And that just seems to be consistent. That doesn't seem to get any any better. And so minor update from my question. I'm wrapping up Ultramarathon training here at the end of October, and I'm gonna be switching gears back into more weightlifting. And so I wanted to kind of be, earlier on in the season,

Starting point is 01:41:33 I was doing maps performance and just like switching out all of the bilateral training for like unilateral, you know, single-A guardials and a lot more lunges and you know that kind of thing to try and train that sort of strength But I just wanted my question was is you know, is that the right approach or is there a better program or you know What's it what's sort of the best? I was gonna say symmetry, but you're kind of doing that So that's a great mod the what you've decided to do because I was gonna before, before you even got to that point, tell you, oh, map symmetry would do you really well. So that is the program that is already mapped out that way,

Starting point is 01:42:10 but what you're doing is actually a really smart choice too. Do you do any mobility priming before you start your workouts? Are you doing anything like that? Like, yeah, I do a lot of like the 1990s in combat stretch. Those are the ones that really seem to help me. And then I have some mobility stuff from a climbing coach that I brought climbing coach that I do also.

Starting point is 01:42:35 I think I got something that's going to make this a lot better. Do you have access to a sled? I, you know, so we don't have a sled, but we have the tires that have like the handles. And I think they're meant that you could drag them. That's fine. That works. So I want you to do all kinds of lateral dragging with the tire. Lateral meaning, like do you know what a karaoke is?

Starting point is 01:43:03 Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Literally, you're going to drag a tire and you're going to go in one direction and then you're going to drag a tire and go the other action. You're going to do karaoke's. You're going to bring the feet together, separate them apart. You're going to do a reverse karaoke. Outbover. You kind of step out. You step over. I want you to do literally like substitute some of your leg workouts for just a bunch. Okay. And then also do front, you know, forward, you know, driving and back and, you know, and, and back, uh, dragging, but I want you to start with lateral move.

Starting point is 01:43:33 Do you like three to six sets of just lateral dragging and then you can do where you push and you pull and that, that'll make us significant improvement. Cause what you're, what you're noticing with it, and this is connected to the hamstring too, your lateral stability is lacking a little bit. That's why you're feeling that, that fatigue and the side, you know, in the gluteus medius. And I think the hamstring is probably,

Starting point is 01:43:56 I think your hip is trying to stabilize with some of the other muscles because your lateral stability is lacking. And most workout programs, just, there's a lot of focus on moving forward and back in just not a lot laterally. So, and for someone like, which is okay, like mass performance is very well balanced.

Starting point is 01:44:13 Yeah, for an average person, not a skier. Right, you're really putting a lot of lateral demands on your body because of what, this game in particular. So I would like, I mean, I may even replace some of the squats for like a lateral lunging, a caustic squat, you know, and just kind of go through it and sub out, you know, with that. But I think, I think symmetry is on the right track with that and to, you know, to go

Starting point is 01:44:38 through that. So you do kind of gain that stability as you're a bit more in, like in an unstable situation, especially when you're doing like an RDL, make sure your foot and your hips don't turn at all, and that's really the biggest focus for you is to be able to maintain that anti-rotational ability. So that's going to provide that lateral stability support as well. I think there's really good Mind Pump TV videos of you doing the lateral sled. Yeah, so looking at that's perfect. Yeah, that's such an easy thing to apply right away. It is going to be a lot of volume with that because it's harder to over train with a sled than it is with traditional strength training because you're not getting the negative.

Starting point is 01:45:16 You know, of course, the rep. So literally what I would do is every day you'll work out, I would do like three sets of some kind of lateral dragging and then getting a workout. And if it becomes too much, you can reduce volume when the other leg exercises, don't take out the lateral dragging. And you'll notice a significant improvement in exactly what you talked about. I love, I love to playing with how you do it, meaning sometimes you go light and are very technical and kind of speed focused on it. And then other days do kind of grinding and heavy too. So you get benefits from, you know, playing with how you do it

Starting point is 01:45:49 laterally also. I don't remember, I think you were more grinding and slow when you did the video, right? Yeah. But you can really lighten it up and be kind of more speed focused or like Sal was talking about the feet together exploding. I love to take a band around my knees and explode, explode, explode out

Starting point is 01:46:06 and then come back to the other direction. Yeah, two walking, two walking, one, two, two. But just some kind of, yeah, I do some, a little bit of lateral band walks, but I'll try it. Not enough, yeah. It's just some kind of lateral dragging, I would do on a, almost every time you work.

Starting point is 01:46:20 If you can take one of those big long rubber bands and a lot of times I'll do two of them together so I'll wrap one around the squat post and then I'll extend it out. You know, put it up over my hips and then I'll walk it out and get that resistance as far out as I can go on a lateral walk. And then I'm coming back in too. So now I'm having that resistance pulling me as I'm sort of decelerating my way back. So that too is gonna be really helpful because of two of your hamstring is one of those things you're finding out

Starting point is 01:46:54 is like fatiguing a lot too. We're gonna wanna strengthen that decelerating process as well. Yeah, okay, cool. That makes a lot of sense because I think with the sprints, I think it's the really hard short sprints with like the you know the quick deceleration. I think that's the yeah, but I mean look the hamstring is a very big hip stabilizing and moving muscle. And if you're lacking stability somewhere, then what happens is your body transfers stability to other muscles.

Starting point is 01:47:23 Stability somewhere, then what happens is your body transfers That's the ability to other muscles. Probably what's happening with your hamstrings. Yeah, the recommendation on the heavy sleds You're gonna make all the world difference. You're gonna it'll translate really well. I mean you with it within a few weeks You'll notice a difference and it's so important, you know Just to reiterate with the guys are so it's so important that it's not a big deal a guy like you's not a big deal If you're if you're doing backload squats, I would get rid of that if it's getting in the way of the sledger. Yeah, don't take away the sledger. Let that be the cornerstone is literally the getting good and strong at that.

Starting point is 01:47:52 You get good and strong at that and that's gonna really carry over into the things that you do. With just like practically, the tire that they have at our gym, it's like the, it's sort of has a wrapper, it's the kind of has, it sort of has a wrapper around it.

Starting point is 01:48:07 And then it has like the handles. And do you just like use like a strap or something to attach that? You didn't have that? Yeah, sure, or you could just hold onto it like this across, so like one hand is over here across and the other one's fully extended, and then we're just dragging it.

Starting point is 01:48:25 You can hold onto it, you can find a way to attach it around your waist, you can involve more of your core, or less of your core, but really what's important is that you're doing some kind of lateral drag in your workout. And hey, at one point, like because of what you do, so often this might even be a worth investment for yourself personally to have at home too.

Starting point is 01:48:43 So you can get relatively inexpensive, like basic sleds too that aren't crazy. Oh yeah. I think fan of the Torx led look into them. Yeah, sure. They're awesome. Okay, expensive, but those are those are the best. Yeah, there's a few off. But you can find like you can get some pretty basic shit that will do its job and it ain't it's probably worth having since this is something that would carry over into what you do so often.

Starting point is 01:49:04 Yeah, right on awesome. Cool. And so you think I stick with the performance or symmetry or either one before. Yeah, either one's yeah. I'm actually really rotate between those two programs of for what you do. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think it'd be I think it'd be worth trying out symmetry just because I've run performance now. I don't know. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. You get a lot of benefit from that. Yep.

Starting point is 01:49:30 All right. Cool. Thank you. Thanks, buddy. Thanks. Have a good one. You too. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:38 I think the sled has got to be. Yeah, great. Should be his cornerstone for what he does. Being like a downhill ski guy like that. I'm convinced any athlete, I mean, it's especially to backwards as well, just dragging it just for the overall knee, longevity and health and just getting that kind of volume

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