Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2171: Ways to Tell If Your Hormones are Preventing You From Losing Weight, Skipping Body Parts that are Overdeveloped, How to Work Out When Working a Physical Job & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:31 Use them like training wheels. Learn about your behaviors. Learn about your cravings. Why do you do what you do? Why do you avoid what you avoid? Learn those things and develop a long-term relationship that lasts forever with health and fitness. I'm curious about your guys' personal journey

Starting point is 00:02:48 with these things because we've talked about them early on, especially when we were doing the show when I was going through the whole process, dieting and stuff like that. I was obviously, I was probably the biggest one on them as far as like pro, all the tech tools. I know you guys kind of don't really, you guys off on on user and whatever.

Starting point is 00:03:07 Have you, do you feel like your opinion about them has changed multiple times? Have you felt like since day one, you've been consistent about how you feel about them? Like what is your personal journey been like with using them both for yourself and for clients? Yeah, I think, I think for me, I was always like hopeful of the next one

Starting point is 00:03:24 that would come out or like I just, I think for me, I was always like hopeful of the next one that would come out or like I just, I had a lot of like excitement towards something that like it gave me more insight, whether it was for myself or my clients, I think over the years, I found that the most value I've received from them has been from me as a coach interpreting the data and then sort of just incorporating things to steer behavior that way, as opposed to them, like getting really involved with the attack themselves, like that always seemed to peter out,

Starting point is 00:03:55 or would over complicate things for them. Yeah, I look at it like personal trainers or coaches, right? There's always those clients, and actually it's a lot of people when they first hire a trainer, what do they say? Just tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do and I'll do it, right? There's always those clients and a lot, actually, it's a lot of people when they first hire a trainer. What do they say? Just tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do and I'll do it, right? And we know that that doesn't work. In the short term, it could work, right? Because the client shows up and just does what you say. And you give them a meal plan and they just eat what you tell them. But it never, it never lasts because

Starting point is 00:04:19 the person doesn't understand why they're doing what they're doing. They don't develop the relationship themselves. They're just rely upon someone else telling them what to do. And that's just not a good long-term approach. Well, that's how that was my opinion of tech. Things that will tell you your macros and your calories and your calorie burn and your steps. If you're not using it to develop kind of this long-term strategy, then it's no different

Starting point is 00:04:45 than hiring a trainer and just having the trainer tell you what to do. I used to do that, by the way, as a trainer. I think all of us did, right? Where you just tell the client what to do and you expect them to follow it. I didn't become effective until I could, you know, I guess, lead the client and show them how to develop these relationships themselves. That's when I became more successful. So my opinion of tech and fitness,

Starting point is 00:05:06 and if you go back and listen to the early days of the podcast, we would talk about them. I was always very pessimistic because like, it's not going to change anything to have these new tools. Now, it's a lot more optimistic because now we have companies like NutraSense that combines, you know, CGMs, for example, with coaches that will then connect the dots for you and help you identify, oh, when my blood sugar does this or when it goes down this quickly, I feel like this and this makes me have more cravings. So this is when I feel more irritable or this is when my energy levels for me to bed and then it spikes the middle of the night with all that means. Yeah, my sleep isn't as good when I do this.

Starting point is 00:05:45 And then people start, so they have someone there to help them connect all these dots. But otherwise, it's just, you're just following direction. And that's not, I mean, you live in the world. I mean, I don't see, I don't see how anybody's going to want to ever just follow direction forever. Plus, here's the problem with that, is when you just follow direction, you actually ignore your body's signals. So like, if I gave someone a meal plan back in the day and they're like, I'm just going to do what you tell me. And something on that

Starting point is 00:06:12 meal plan doesn't work with them. People ignore it. I remember, I'll never forget this. I had somebody, and this is when I really started to put this together. So there's probably five or six years into my career. Somebody came to me, I said, you know, I've been doing keto now for, for like three months. And, you know, when does the keto flu go away and the constipation? Like, when does that fix? And I'm like, three months? Why haven't you stopped? Like, why I know it's supposed to be good for me. And I read all these articles and, you know, trainers are saying it's a good thing. And, you know, this is back when it was like a big deal. I'm like, well, you're, you're ignoring your body's telling you it's a good thing, and this is back when it was like a big deal. I'm like, well, you're ignoring your body's telling you,

Starting point is 00:06:48 it's not working for you, you're ignoring it because you're just following directions. And that's not a long-term approach. There's no way that'll last long-term. So I absolutely love tech tools. Most all of them, I should say, personally, I think that it really does depend on the person and if they have coaching. For example, Neutr sense is someone that I actually wouldn't have liked that tool if it

Starting point is 00:07:12 wasn't paired with coaching. I think the layer, how deep it goes, as far as spiking blood sugar levels and getting the client to understand that level of it and how that connects to behavior is an even deeper level than just understanding how often you walk in steps and how many average calories does your body naturally? To me, that's the first entry level to that is these Fitbit type of tools. Nutri-sense, I would say, is an even deeper level.

Starting point is 00:07:39 So if it didn't have a coach paired with it, I actually wouldn't be that big of a fan of it. I think most people would interpret the data wrong or wouldn't know how to connect it, what they should connect it to and wouldn't know even what to do with that information. So if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have even been that big of a fan

Starting point is 00:07:55 for the average person. But all in all, I think the tools are incredible. The mistake though is the people that tend to like them are it's to be the wrong people, right? It seems to be the people that tend to like them are, it's tend to be the wrong people, right? It seems to be the people that are the most data driven and like geek out competitive. Yeah, I literally just had to. They wouldn't need the tools.

Starting point is 00:08:14 Yeah, it's consistent. It's funny you actually, this was your fitness tip today because I obviously don't know until you do it. And I think two days ago, I was in my DMs back and forth. This is one of our long-term listeners. And she follows several of our programs and she's got a coach that she's working with right now. She used our macro calculator, she's using the Fitbit.

Starting point is 00:08:34 And she's like, you know, Adam, I just really need some direction. I feel frustrated, I'm not seeing these results. And my coach is having me put on this, but then when I go to your macro calculator, it says this, my Fitbit says I should be doing it. I'm like, okay, see, this is where it gets bad. Is you are comparing all of them and you want one of them to be the right one, so you can say the other one's suck, and that's the most accurate thing. And it's just like,

Starting point is 00:08:56 well, that's just a roll of the dice, which one's going to be perfect for you as far as lining up. What you really need to do is we just need to figure out what your maintenance caloric level is and whether you use our macro calculator to give you a starting point or you use your Fitbit to be your story or you use your coach, which I is what I recommended. I said, if you got a good coach and you feel confident about who you hired, they are going to have better insight with you on this than any of these, even our great macro calculator. Because if I were to take on a client that had all these tools, I would actually say, I don't want you to use these for now

Starting point is 00:09:30 as far as like, holding on to what they say, you can wear it and you can pay attention to it, but the advice it's giving you, I is irrelevant to us right now. What we first need to do is track your calories and see where we, and figure out maintenance for ourselves. Meaning, let's start at a calorie intake that you think is your maintenance or maybe close to one of these numbers are giving us.

Starting point is 00:09:54 And then the goal is for us just to see your body not fluctuate and wait. We want to just maintain off of your normal daily habits. And if your normal daily habits are, you don't ever work out, you sit on the couch all day, I actually kind of want you to do that for the first week or two, while we're just figuring out your caloric maintenance. And then from there, we adjust.

Starting point is 00:10:15 Now, if you're using a Fitbit or a tool like that, and we do it together and we find out your caloric maintenance is 2000 calories, but the tool said 2400 calories. It doesn't, that number doesn't matter to me. What matters is that we know it's 2000. Now, you can use that tool, if that tool reads 2700, 1800, the up and down of it, as long as it's relative to the number that we figured out. That's our home base.

Starting point is 00:10:43 And where that tool is incredible is they are really accurate with the how it how it goes the variance of it going up and down as far as how many calories you're burning, how many steps you're doing. Yes. And so we want to watch the trends. And you want to compare that to what's happening. How do I feel? Well, you know, why is it trending in particular? Like I'll use a very simple example. A step counter. Step counters have been around for a long time. This is it trending in particular? I'll use a very simple example. A step counter. Step counters have been around for a long time. This is like basic fitness tech.

Starting point is 00:11:09 This is as basic as it gets. Now here's where step counters are valuable. You look at your steps, you see how much you move, how much you don't move. Then you connect it to how you feel. What does that look like on a normal day? Not what does it look like when a schedule long walks, but rather,

Starting point is 00:11:26 we do it versus weekends. Yes, and oh man, I have way more energy when I'm around here, or I'm too fatigued when my steps go above this. And then I can move away from the step counter and start to kind of live, because here's a deal, like if fitness is a stress,

Starting point is 00:11:42 if eating right is a stress, you're not gonna maintain it long term. If it's how you live, because you enjoy to live that way, and you've identified all the benefits that it's made for you, not just the scale weight in the mirror, but all the other things, then it's something that you're going to want to do for the rest of your life. So, you know, your step counter can say 10,000 steps. Okay, that's great.

Starting point is 00:12:03 And so every day you can look at it, oh, today 10,000 steps that I not. But what's better is if you say, wow, I noticed that when I park further away from the mall, I noticed that when I use the bathroom that's on the second floor, I noticed that when I stand up to, you know, to do chores versus sitting down to fold laundry, I tend to hit, and then I feel good,

Starting point is 00:12:23 and I feel great when I do that. or, ooh, those steps are too much. Actually, my energy is a little low, maybe connected to my diet. It's a learning process, it's a journey, but if you don't do that, and you just look at the tech, and you just follow what the tech says, you're gonna fail, 100%. And they have not contributed. This is why all this tech that didn't exist when we were trainers, this is why it still hasn't contributed

Starting point is 00:12:46 to a higher success rate. Because it doesn't necessarily change behaviors. It doesn't change behaviors. You know, it's funny you're talking about the steps. The, kind of my, my arc with this whole process of the tech tools, like I totally geeked out on it originally, I was definitely somebody who was hung up on all the different data. What my sleep was saying, my scores were saying, how many calories that workout burnt versus

Starting point is 00:13:09 this one. At the end, if you were to see how I was coaching my last client that I actually coached to diet before we did this, and I actually use steps more than anything else. I find that the most, once I manually find their calorie maintenance level, and I know about how many steps they were taking per day, right, their activity level, I can manage them basically through their steps, what I need their body to burn per se, and I use that more than anything else. That to me, I find, like the intensity of a workout more than

Starting point is 00:13:45 the other, like that there's going to be this kind of like ebb and flow of that. It's like irrelevant. Right. But the difference between somebody sitting on the couch all day and not moving any steps versus 10 for all activity. Yeah. It's a good insight in that direction. And it's easier to coach and manage to. Yeah. I found it so much easier to tell a client like, hey, right now you average about 5,500 steps a day. Our goal next week is to make sure you hit 7,000 every day. Like that's simple. And the way to get there is just be mindful of it. Walk more. And that little bit of coaching right there, I know ramps up their total calorie burn for the day and the total for the week. And that would fluctuate the what

Starting point is 00:14:20 I want. The bottom line is if this is something that you plan on doing for the rest of your life, then you, it needs to become how you live your life. So in other words, it's not, oh, I got a schedule time to go to the gym. Oh, I got to do this thing. I got to restrict my food. It's this is just how I live. And it's healthy.

Starting point is 00:14:42 And I feel good. And it's just, it's a non stressful way to live. Otherwise, it's gonna be this up and down Struggle all the time and this is why again the fail rate is the same. We have all this tech We have all this information. Look when we were trained hers If I don't know how many calories and grams of proteins fats and carbs are in foods I had to go get my calorie king book You guys remember that? I had to go get a big book and scroll and look, we didn't have the internet, we didn't have all this, now we have all this, this incredible access to information,

Starting point is 00:15:10 the fail rate is the same. It is not for lack of information. That's not the reason why where we are. It's the same reason why we were, you know, in the late 90s when I became a trainer versus today, it's the same. It's that people are not, were trainers, coaches, the fitness industry, and people don't understand that this is a journey and you got to develop this relationship with these things. Otherwise, it'll never work. Unless you're one of the few people that are fitness fanatics and you love it.

Starting point is 00:15:38 But if you're a fitness fanatic, you know, you can probably work with fitness interests. Yeah, and I also look at it from this perspective, it's like, if it's bringing insight into like signals and things that your body's trying to convey to you, but you're not aware, you're not aware of how to pick up on that. So for instance, like if it's the step count thing,

Starting point is 00:16:00 I'm just kind of oblivious that I'm not really that active on these days or, you know, or if it's like HRV And it's like well, maybe I probably shouldn't go as intense today I'm listening to my body and realizing maybe I'm not fully recovered and it's kind of bringing me in some insight there or You know or it's the spike blood sugar thing or if I do this in the morning Instead of what I was doing previous now. I have a different operating system to go off of. And so it's like, you got to use that, and two of the calorie things, you have to do the work initially to be able to have a basis to go off of. So if you can look at it like that as a tool, it's like, okay, if this is actually like bringing something valuable into the way my process,

Starting point is 00:16:40 and I can improve my process, but then evolve past and use my own body signals to take over the best case scenario. What you're highlighting was one of the, and this is probably why I like the tools so much because it was one of the most pivotal things that ever happened in my fitness journey. And I've shared it a long time ago in the podcast, we haven't talked about it in a long time,

Starting point is 00:17:01 but I remember when I was a trainer and I struggled to get super shredded lean. I could never break this, I could get pretty good like 10% or so. I think 9% was the leanest I had gotten at that point in my career. And that's me like trying. And like, this doesn't add up to me. Like, I am absolutely perfect on the diet during the week. I mean, I'm prepping like crazy. I'm consistent with my training back to the notes when I'm training like five the diet during the week. I mean, I'm prepping like crazy. I'm consistent with my training back to the notes

Starting point is 00:17:26 when I'm training like five, six days a week. Saturday and Sunday would be the days that I would say, hey, listen, I'm off. I wouldn't be like off the rails though. I was just off. I wouldn't train that day if I were to have some pizza or enjoy some junk food or ice cream or candy on the day that I would allow it in there.

Starting point is 00:17:44 But I'm like in my head, I'm like, in my head, I'm going, yeah, that's a few hundred calories here. And that's not like, that's not enough to make me fat or that's not enough to keep me from losing a percent when I'm so perfect the rest of the week. It wasn't until the body bug came out. When I tracked that, it blew my mind. It blew my mind that just working all day as a trainer,

Starting point is 00:18:04 the total amount of calories my body was burning because I'm re-racking weights, I'm training clients 10 hours a day, and then the difference on Saturday. Saturday? Slep in. I would not get up until about 10 o'clock or so. You know, mosey around, do my thing for the day, and then the amount, I mean, we're talking about a 2000 plus calorie burn difference in each day. So fourth, I mean, plus or eating plus. Plus or eating plus. If I was going to make a bad choice, even though like I said, it wasn't like.

Starting point is 00:18:31 But you were at maintenance without realizing it. Yes. And so it was just enough to negate all the deficit and crazy work I was doing to the week. And it just, I couldn't make that connection until I saw the data. And it just shift, which is where the thing came from, which you've heard on this podcast me say about it's time, when the weekend.

Starting point is 00:18:49 Like, if I could just win the weekend, I knew I was good because I moved so much during the week completely. I now then broke through that. Now I can get down to six percent body. So, yeah, I remember all my clients for starting using that. The devices like that. It helped me as a trainer because I would look at their, I remember all my clients first started using that, the devices like that.

Starting point is 00:19:05 It helped me as a trainer because I would look at their, I remember the very, very, if there's grocery shopping, it was burning more than your workouts. It was pretty, yeah. Gosh, that blew my mind too. Yard work, yes. I remember I had my, the first woman,

Starting point is 00:19:18 the first person that I had used one was this woman, and I remember when, because you were able to, you'd upload it to your computer and then you'd see their activity. And I looked, I'm like, what did you do on Saturday? Oh my God. She was like, nothing.

Starting point is 00:19:31 What do you mean nothing? She's like, well, I did some gardening. Went to a flea market. Yeah, we watched the car. I went to the mall. Like, oh my God, you burned way more calories on Saturday they needed you during the week. And then I looked at the days that she worked with me.

Starting point is 00:19:44 So she trained with me Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays. And it would show you on the graph. You would see the activity level spike for the workout. And the rest day was nothing. And then I'm like, it's so I'm piecing it. I'm like, oh my God, that's true because she works the desk jobs. So she comes in, works out me,

Starting point is 00:19:59 and then nothing all day long. So it helped me coach her much more effectively. I had the same epiphany too. It blew my mind that, and this was back in the days when we were probably all training our clients similar, where it was like crushing them. You were crushing them. They would go limping out of the gym or just drenched in sweat that was considered a successful workout. And I'm looking at the days that I trained her and she was burning like half the

Starting point is 00:20:26 calories she was on a day she would consider I didn't do anything. I went to the farmer's market. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't do anything. I was grocery shopping cleaning my house for the weekend or with that. And it was like, oh my God, here we are trying to figure out this like calorie deficit. I'm so fixated on our workout being intense. So she burns more calories. So we lose weight yet if she just has a Saturday a couple more times during the week

Starting point is 00:20:49 Like we're gonna make a huge deficit with minimal effort without training hard like that That shifted the way I was finding there's so many people still stuck in still mindset of like I got a burn this off and it's like You know you you're giving yourself an hour of intense where you're not even going to come close. Well, this is why they actually say today that somebody who considers themselves highly active is actually like somebody who trains five to six days a week in hour intense. But they work a traditional best job are still considered. Consider it.

Starting point is 00:21:20 Center because that one hour ain't shit. You can. I mean, I don't care. It's one that's like, the last person you've ever done, you're gonna burn seven to 900 calories at best. No, we're lucky. You've got 500.

Starting point is 00:21:31 That's like, I'm talking about at best. There's a puke workout, 700 to 900 calories and you're a big person. Like, it ain't happening. Like, just by being, then compare that to someone who has a job where they're just active and they walk around all day. Like, you won't even come close. The tools are good for awareness.

Starting point is 00:21:50 It's what you do with the awareness though, that makes it effective. Awareness by itself is nothing. You gotta do something with it. So I've said this before, but I think it's appropriate now. How we learn goes through four general stages. And the first one is you're just unconsciously incompetent. So you don't know what you don't know.

Starting point is 00:22:07 And this is where you start out. You just don't know what you don't know. But then you quickly move into, oh, like, now I'm aware of what I don't know. Then the next stage is now I'm aware of what I know. So that means I have to consciously, it's like watching a kid learn how to walk, right? Once they learn how to walk, they have to consciously think about every step.

Starting point is 00:22:27 And you could tell when they're walking, they have to pay attention. But that's not where you want to end up. You want to end up in this kind of unconscious competence where walking is natural. I don't think about walking. Just kind of takes over. Yeah. When I walk, I don't think about every single step. I just walk.

Starting point is 00:22:42 Well, this is where you eventually want to get to. If this is something you want to maintain for the rest of your life, where this is just like I said earlier, this is just how you live. And these tools can be a piece of that. They can be a part of the puzzle, but they are not the whole puzzle. They are not the solution.

Starting point is 00:22:58 They're not the answer and by themselves without the right person probably coaching and explaining to you, they could be absolutely worthless. You know, I don't remember who it was. Somebody that was a friend of ours, some online trainer coach buddy of ours that was kind of clowning on glucose monitors. I don't remember, do you remember who it was? I don't remember who it was. Oh, no, no. It was a friend of ours, right? I mean, we don't agree with everybody that's a friend of ours in the fitness space, obviously.

Starting point is 00:23:22 And they were basically saying how worthless they are. And so pointless. And it's like unless how worthless they are, and so pointless. And it's like, unless you're diabetic, this is such a waste of money. And it's like, okay, yeah, at face value, you could be right about that. But not if you learn to attach it to the behaviors. If you think that eating certain foods, that spike or crash blood sugar does not change your behaviors and choices that you make food wise. You don't know shit as a trainer. It absolutely does.

Starting point is 00:23:46 And if you as a client can learn to make those connections, it is a simple like, oh, I shouldn't eat that because I know how I'm going to feel because of how it's going to make me crash. Like that's the value in it. It's not, oh, where are these things? We're kind of cravings in the produce. Yeah, where are these ugly ass things on the back of your tricep

Starting point is 00:24:02 and it's guaranteed to make you lose 50 pounds of fat. Like, no, it ain't like that at all, but if you can learn to connect it to behaviors based off of that's what the coaching does That's and that's where the money is at by the way That's it's super valuable when you have those occasional and all of us have them those foods that spike Blood sugar that don't wouldn't traditionally be labeled as be labeled as blood sugar-spiking foods. How does this happen? Well, you have immune responses to certain foods. This is what food intolerances are.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So you could very well eat an avocado, which has zero carbohydrates, zero sugar. It's got fiber and fat. For all intents and purposes, you should get zero spike in crash and blood sugar because there's none in there. But if you have an intolerance to avocados that you're not aware of and you eat it, the way that your body often responds to intolerance is it mounts a low level immune response.

Starting point is 00:24:55 And that typically is stressed on the body. The body releases sugar from your liver. So now in avocado, if this is you, spikes your blood sugar. You would have never known this. It would have been hard for you to connect the dots. You would have eaten the avocado and be like, yeah, you know, and not connected. The crappy feeling afterwards is you're it's an avocado. That's not gonna affect my blood sugar. But if you use the device like a CGM and you worked with a coach, they would tell you at two o'clock, you got this real crazy and you're like, but that's weird because I'm just eating avocados like, oh really? Let's let's keep an eye on that because you got this real crazy, and you're like, but that's weird because I'm just eating avocado. I was like, oh really?

Starting point is 00:25:25 Let's keep an eye on that because you may have an intolerance and that definitely will cause a spike in blood sugar even though it has no sugar. Listen, there's a way to do this manually too. I mean, if you really want to put the work in for those people that are like, oh my God. So this is how I used to do it.

Starting point is 00:25:38 Yeah, you can literally do a food diary if you really have the discipline to do this. And that's why again, I like these types of tools because like, let's be honest, very few ways you will do this. But yeah, you could sit down and like log what you eat, log afterwards, how full do you feel? How do you have any below from that? Do you, how is your stool feel? How's your energy feel? Did you notice any cravings? So if yeah, put all those things, score it one to five, and start logging every single thing you eat, and then you could probably figure this out without that tool.

Starting point is 00:26:09 I think you can totally do that and do a pretty good job at that, but you gotta be willing to put all that work in and be consistent with that to probably get a really good objective view of what's going on with you, but that's really what you're getting out of a device like that that I think is really valuable.

Starting point is 00:26:22 Yeah, and that's hard, by the way, what you're saying is really hard to do that with clients. Yeah. I literally had a forum that they would fill out and I'd have them do this whole thing before and after, before during and after meals, type of deal. And it was a long process, man. It was a long process.

Starting point is 00:26:34 So I wish I had a CGM back then. That would have made things a lot. Yeah, it would have made things a lot easier. Anyway, so I have to move, I have to move out of my house. Yeah. How crazy. Oh, yeah, dude. So this is a kind of a crazy situation. I want to point out, this is when your, what's it called,

Starting point is 00:26:54 when your hyper-conjure act pays off. No. I'm serious. His bloodhound nose. For sure, for sure, I would have been living there, probably breathing that shit in for another five years. It wasn't me actually. So what it was is so my two and a half year old has had these kind of on off again kind of like mild autoimmune type issues like some skin issues, some gut issues.

Starting point is 00:27:15 We couldn't really get to the root of it. We were working with Dr. Becky Campbell. She's a functional medicine practitioner. And it was just we just couldn't really figure it out. We could somewhat manage it with diet, but it didn't make sense as to why his body was being so sensitive. And so, Dr. Becky Campbell suggested that we do a urine test to test for mold, because if certain types of mold, and if you're sensitive to mold, or if you're sensitive to mold, it could definitely cause issues. It can cause issues.

Starting point is 00:27:49 It can overwhelm your body's ability to deal with histamine. It can cause stress reactions or immune reactions. So we tested our urine and it came back positive for mold. Now, we're like, was it in the previous house? Or was it in this house? We didn't know. So I'm like, oh, I don't know if I wanna do this whole,

Starting point is 00:28:07 cause mold tests, I don't know if you guys know this, but if you get like a legit company, expensive. Oh, it's thousands of dollars. Did you guys have to pay that out of your own pocket? Well, once we found out that there was mold and the kind of mold that you don't want, then our landlord compensated us through.

Starting point is 00:28:23 Okay, good, cause I was wondering about that. But if it came back negative, it's on me. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do to the landlord? Hey, I tested for mold, came back negative. Can you pay for it? They're like, no. You know, but so I went and I paid this company

Starting point is 00:28:35 and it was very, very thorough. Very thorough mold test. They came back and it was through the HVAC unit. So the arteries of the house. It was gonna ask, yeah, for the sake of the walls. Well, yeah, so you turn on, well, it blows it everywhere. It just blows it throughout the whole house.

Starting point is 00:28:49 And then anywhere there's moisture, the mold will settle, and then you got some mold there. But they found brutal. Yeah, they found stuff all over the place. Some so, so mad. I'm like, oh, I hate moving. I hate dealing with this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:01 But we got it, we got to move. I mean, I'm excited for you, because I like the new place. I mean, I know I trust me. Nobody knows how much moving stuff's probably more than me because I think since we've been together, I think I definitely have moved the most. Have you moved more than me? Yeah. How many times have you moved now? Since we've been scarlet, Bernetti, Marina, we're here. Wow. Four. Yeah. That's just since we've all been together. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So that's a lot. Yeah, no, I've been moving quite a bit.

Starting point is 00:29:26 Yeah. So, Painting the butt. Those things like the air dock that we have in here. How effective are they? Do you know, Doug, with air purifiers? The air purifiers? Yeah, very.

Starting point is 00:29:38 Because I think I've read before like 99.9% of all mold or things like that. Those things are supposed to, not that I would suggest you stay there. It helps, but if you don't get rid of this source, still, you're gonna get something to cost about. Yeah, so I did get a bunch of purifiers. Every room now has one in there, because we're still there trying to figure out how we're gonna, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:55 because we found a new place, and we're gonna start the movie process. So I do have purifiers running 24-7 throughout the house. Yeah. But it's crazy because, and we'll know, like once we move, we'll know if that was the really, if it clears up, if it clears up. And then my oldest son who went off to college,

Starting point is 00:30:11 mysteriously all of his gut issues disappeared. So how, you know, I'm annoyed I am, that they could have potentially been causing stuff like that for him. For real? I'm so mad. But it's a lot, dude. The landlord's gonna have to like,

Starting point is 00:30:23 got the HVAC, they're gonna have to go through walls and do all that shit. It's crazy. And when you start looking this up, you'll hear horror stories of people who doctors, so Dr. Becky Campbell herself, she dealt with this herself. She thought this, you want to hear her stories? Crazy. She thought she had, she couldn't fear out was wrong with her. She kept having all these crazy symptoms. Traditional mold sensitivity symptoms look like upper respiratory type issues that can keep reoccurring.

Starting point is 00:30:50 But some people get weird stuff, like anxiety, depression, being lethargic, like you think you're dying, like what the hell's wrong with me, right? She was having all these weird symptoms. She thought she had breast implant illness. But if you look that up, now that's not a confirmed thing, but lots of people say that it exists.

Starting point is 00:31:08 She got her implants removed while she was in the hospital, mysteriously started feeling better. So she's like, oh, it's totally the implants. Moves back home, symptoms come back. She's like, what the hell did a thorough analysis and sure enough found mold in her house? And that was what the problem was. Oh wow.

Starting point is 00:31:24 It was the mold. I know. That's crazy. I know. And it's weird because there's no standard. There's no real standard for what is like considered bad or good or whatever. And again, these tests are, I mean, if you have a decent sized house and you do a full on test, it's going to cost you a, you can cost you five, six, seven thousand dollars

Starting point is 00:31:44 or more. I'm sure, those people live with it and don't really get, you know, as bad as symptoms as to trigger like a response. Right, like you just have these low levels. Just low level symptoms and have no idea, like it's everywhere. So crazy. So I wanted to call Doug out on this

Starting point is 00:32:01 because he was so undercover about this. What do you do now? I was talking to three. I know, right? He's like, what the fuck is that? So, yeah, all right. I just, yeah, he's sweating bullets right now. Good. We'll let's drag it out. I'm gonna drag it out a little bit. Right. Just, just hang in there, dude.

Starting point is 00:32:10 Talk to your daughter. She told me you were doing something. What are you doing, Dougie? You take a calligraphy class? Oh, wow. Yeah. So, no, she told me that she already called me out on that. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:20 I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. Oh, what are you doing, Dougie? You take a calligraphy class? Oh, wow. Yeah, so no, she told me that she already called me out on that. Oh, she gave you the heads up.

Starting point is 00:32:31 No, I had the heads up on that. So one of the things I was very interested in doing when I went to Japan was calligraphy. The Japanese calligraphy, I think it's beautiful. It's, you know, black ink on essentially white paper or white paper. You had special pens, too, right? Yeah, it's a brush. Okay. He's like literally taking a class.

Starting point is 00:32:48 So I was gonna take a class when I went to Japan, but I didn't have time. So I happened to come back to the US and I thought, well, I'm gonna look for a class and there was one locally that was being held at a Japanese art store. And it just so happened to be a teacher and he's actually lives in Japan.

Starting point is 00:33:06 He comes out every other month or so and he teaches a class. So he's actually, he travels the world, teaches at universities and he's quite a well-known artist. So I can't come all the way back here to actually get one of the top guys to learn from. So I took one class, I think it was in August, then he came back here.

Starting point is 00:33:26 It's, uh, no, it's in July and in September. So it was like a two month. So yeah, I wanted, I didn't want to miss the class. I went and took it. So you call it calligraphy, but it's, it's Japanese characters. Japanese characters. So it's a brush. It's not like a quilt pen. No, it's, yeah, it's a actual like a paintbrush with a sharp in the tip and you dip it in black ink. That's cool. But there's such a technique around. Of course.

Starting point is 00:33:51 I mean, the way you hold the brush, the way you sit, all the supplies that go along with it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you have to sit particularly. Well, you sit up straight and then the brush, you hold it vertically. You don't bend the brush, you hold it vertically. That's the example, it's there.

Starting point is 00:34:04 Do you remember when that was all the rage for tattoos when people were doing that? I still do it. My buddy beat me to it and he put it on his shoulder before I was supposed to. Have you ever seen those horror stories with people you already had? Yeah, I think it's something else.

Starting point is 00:34:15 And they're Japanese friends. He's the tattooer. He's from a zazzin with a... That says tune a roll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not what you think it's like.

Starting point is 00:34:23 I wonder how many people got fucked with like a lot. Yeah, a lot. You think so, you think so. I've heard, I've read stories with people. Oh yeah, and they're, and they're, and they're, and they're friends who read that. Yeah, I was like, oh, you know what, that says I'm your shoulder, you know.

Starting point is 00:34:34 No, but it's a say, you know. So, I was thinking, you might be going on this like Steve Jobs sort of, you know how you got into calligraphy and then he had a disapiphany and that's kind of like, I really let him to. I thought it was an iPhone. Well, yeah, that too. I mean, you did all that, I think in India.

Starting point is 00:34:50 Are you dropping ass in the layers? Yeah. No, not yet. Are you on a journey, does. I may try it later, but. Right. No, it's very meditative. Yeah, for sure. You have to be very focused, did you?

Starting point is 00:34:59 Have to be very present. Present. Yeah. Do you guys think Doug doesn't tell us stuff because he's secretive? Or do you think it's because we talk so much he doesn't have a chance? That. Okay. I think Katrina, we are the funny that the reason why I brought it up was Katrina and I had a night to ourselves and we're we're talking about we're like had a moment of like just being grateful and I was sharing about you know my partnership with you guys and how crazy it's been it's almost nine years that we've been doing this all together.

Starting point is 00:35:27 And it's so wild that how well we've all stayed connected and just the ability for four leader personalities to be able to get through something like that. And she was making the comment of like the thing that ties us is that we're all like these dorks. What? Yeah. That's her.

Starting point is 00:35:46 Yeah, her glues, I think. So she was like, what are your guys? They're like super dorks. And she's like, she's doing it. And like, compliment me and say, Tyler, I love that about you, though. That's okay. I like that. She goes, yeah, you each all have like your little dorky thing.

Starting point is 00:36:01 So you guys are all into it. You just kind of privately do it. Yeah. So I would throw it in that category of like we have like this little We'll have our little geeky things that we get out on and then we don't need to share it It's like it's not like a bragging thing. You know, it's like a you know, I'm into this I don't need anybody else to be into it. You know, I'm saying I do it for me I don't do it for anybody else and so I think that we all kind of have a little bit of that Yeah, but you tend to tell you tend tend to share. I do the same thing.

Starting point is 00:36:25 I'll come and tell you guys what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, unless it's a challenge, and nobody knows what the hell's going on. It's good to say, but I should explain. Maybe not. I mean, Doug was also, you know, up in the city too,

Starting point is 00:36:35 going in like some trade show for the samurai swords this weekend too. Wasn't the trade stores a club actually a Japanese sword club. You're very, very nerdy. Oh, wow. Yeah, so did you join the club? Or do you just check it out? I'm going to join the club. I don't know how often I'll actually go to it You have to do something to do. Is there any sort of like hazing or anything? No, there's no ritual or anything. I had no idea Yeah, but these guys I had no idea

Starting point is 00:37:00 Yeah, yeah That would be such a cool. I want to make Doug Yeah, yeah, that would be such a cool. I want to make Doug I'm gonna be very Doug I know I did massive you guys thought I'd I know it now are they are they super dorks about it and they show up dressed up like they don't they do not not like no they're awesome dude they'll climb my star wars guys but I gotta say I was

Starting point is 00:37:34 shocked that the level of knowledge these guys have so I bought two swords when I was in Japan and honestly I bought them not knowing a lot about them so I thought well I'm gonna take my swords up there and have these guys look at it. And they take it off. So when you take the handle off, there's an engraving on the actual sword of the sword smith. And I have one sword that was like 16th century, you know, made, that's what I was told anyway. And so the guys looked at it. And these guys don't actually speak Japanese, but they know the sword makers. So well, they go, yeah, we know Tadayoshi was the name of the sword maker who made mine, and he was in the 16th century.

Starting point is 00:38:13 He's made a lot of swords, he's well known, et cetera, et cetera. What was the secret of the Japanese steel and the swords? Because they were doing this back when they folded it or something like that. But it's also the heat in something else because they were making steel that, I mean, back then they were using iron in another parts of the world. This, their swords were harder and sharper than anything else. Isn't it the way they fold them or shatter?

Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah, there's obviously some type of process. I'm not well versed on that. It's something I have to learn. I, what I learned when I went to this club, I don't know anything, and there is so much to know. There's a guy there, he's lived 43 years in Japan, and he is actually a true expert on Japanese swords. He's an American guy, and he's actually written a book on it,

Starting point is 00:39:01 and just like talking about all the periods and who the makers are in the schools that made the swords and there's such a history to it. So this is the nerdy part that she was referring to about us is that it doesn't matter what it is that if we are one of us as into a thing, we're into it. We're into it.

Starting point is 00:39:20 And that's like me. Like I've been in this, if I'm once I get into something like that, it's like I obsess over. And sleep last. I was up till two in the morning watching. V, I'm constantly like doing research and homework a lot of times too. Katrina last me like, what are you, are you going to go buy this or do that? And I'm like, no, I'm just doing my homework right now. Like I'm not going to go make a purchase or something like that till I feel confident. Like I know what it is I want. And it's a good deal. And good deal and it's like so yeah we I think we all kind

Starting point is 00:39:46 of obsess over something. I love the I love the I mean I love Japanese cultural I'm not not as into it as Doug is but I could totally get into it but it's fascinating me because you think about it if you you know 16th century if you're sword broke you're dead so the quality of your sword broke, you're dead. So the quality of your sword was so important and how you handled it was so important because otherwise that's, that was your life. Really, really crazy. And the honor and tradition and culture around it, they would do this ceremonial suicide if they dishonored their family. Do you guys know what this is?

Starting point is 00:40:22 That's real. Yeah. They would actually disembowel themselves because of if they dishonored, family? Have you guys know what this is? Where they call it? That's real! Yeah. They would actually disembowel themselves. Yeah, that's good. Because if they dishonored, you know, for whatever reason. Now what has been the neatest thing that you've learned? Like so like the cool, like that you go, Oh, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:40:35 I had no idea. Like what have you learned that's neat? About swords? Yeah, I'm sure you learned a lot, but I mean what stands out to you of like, like, Oh, I had no idea or I wouldn't have thought that. Yeah, I don't know if I had any epiphanies like that. Well, I just had one right now when you showed up with your swords. I had no idea that you buy a super

Starting point is 00:40:52 rare sword like that and you don't even get the blade in it. They ship you, they put a wood blade on it. They ship you the blade in a separate case because you, it's so, they want it so pristine and it could technically, you know could technically rust like you said. I mean, that's... Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that either until I actually received them. Yeah. So the blade was actually shipped separately

Starting point is 00:41:13 from the handle of the sword. And so, yeah, I didn't know that. I guess that, that, one thing I would say. Have you seen the demonstrations that they've done, Doug, where they have, I don't know what they use, but it looks like, I don't know what they use but it looks like I don't know It is but they don't bodyguard like like bamboo or something looks like it They hit it with one

Starting point is 00:41:31 Even like piece of paper Yeah, they shaved it off Yeah, I don't know I remember on bodyguard. Yeah, when he throws the the silk He opens the samurai sword and he turns upside down and he throws her her little sash up in there and it floats down and she goes no I don't want to I think that's BS though I think so I think that's BS really I don't think there's no weight to that sash right I don't feel like Kevin Costner would lie I don't maybe not. He seems to be really. He seems to be moving. He seems to be. He seems to be. Come on, Adam. He seems to be. No, don't make that.

Starting point is 00:42:06 He seems to be. Please don't make him say. Gosh. What one of these days? Hey, you know what I was just thinking, you're super red faced and pure. Yeah. You were like it.

Starting point is 00:42:20 I like it's a little bit of color, which is rare. Yeah, you actually, you do tan. It just is a pro, you're rare. Yeah, you do 10, it just is a, it's your white, red, and then 10. I just, yeah, what normally happens is it gets all crusty and then it ends up flaking off and then it's gone. You know, and so I actually, and we, we had talked about kind of using Caldera before

Starting point is 00:42:39 as I was like sunburned. Oh, did you do that? And I did, I did at first and then I kind of was off and then my skin was drying out and then it was starting to peel. And so I had like little bits that were starting to peel and then I started to, I was like, oh shit. Like it works.

Starting point is 00:42:54 And then I started putting it back on there and it totally like prevented it. It was only like two days and then it just never peeled again. So that's awesome. So you know what product it there is that I've actually been using consistently now so I can talk about it

Starting point is 00:43:06 because I wasn't so I'm looking at your face. The eye cream. Stupid. Is that the eye cream? That's what I look younger. You know, no, that from looking at me like that. I get that. He looks less tired.

Starting point is 00:43:15 No, what I know is, yeah. Yeah. What I actually noticed, because I remember I was asking like, what's the real difference between that and the other cream, is they feel similar, I would think that if they're going in the same place,

Starting point is 00:43:30 but they have something in them to help with the puffiness to keep down the inflammation there. And that's what I noticed. So what I noticed is that there's been a, like last night, I didn't sleep hardly at all. And so I woke up with super, like, puffy eyes. I actually can notice a difference on it, it brings that down.

Starting point is 00:43:46 So if you're somebody who gets like really, I do because I fat face, right? So it's like you get, I get extra disorder. I get extra, extra puffy eyes. Fat faces, I do. If I have, if I get like puffiness there, I think mine is like abnormally bigger than the average person that gets like puffy eyes.

Starting point is 00:44:04 And so, you guys know what models used for puffy eyes preparation Timber cream That's funny. I got browned for using that on my sister face. That's really Why it shrinks I think it's a vasoconstrictor is that isn't that baby rash cream? No preparation? constrictor. Isn't that baby rash cream or what? No, preparation. H. The guy that initially was using it was like, a little lift over. Yeah. How's that happened? So what is it? Is because it has an additional constrictor. Okay. So the way it works on hemorrhoids. So

Starting point is 00:44:39 hemorrhoids is a swollen essentially, like you want to say, blood vessels. And it causes them to constrict. And so do you want to say, blood vessels, and it causes them to constrict. And so do you think there's, is do you think there's something naturally that does that in the caldera cream? Do you know? Yes. There is.

Starting point is 00:44:54 That's why I do. But any preparation age, everybody. All right. Yeah, that would be, I wouldn't use preparation age on your own. Yeah, I actually, I mean, I actually really noticed. You know me, I'm always like Mr. Skept cool before I say something I got to, I actually really noticed, you know me, I'm always like, Mr. Skept Cool before I say something, I gotta test it five, five thousand times before I go, okay, I feel like I've seen a difference.

Starting point is 00:45:09 It's where I notice it, I don't notice it on day to day stuff. It's not, but if I notice I have extra puffy eyes that morning or with that and I'm making effort to really rub that in, it definitely tamps it down, so it makes a difference. I have some updating news, I've been the only one here like on watch some updating news. I've been the only one here, like, on watch for Antarctica News.

Starting point is 00:45:30 Oh! Just so you guys know. Yeah, I'm always keeping my eyes out there for, yeah, so you see this, there's a report that actually, they found an underground lake. Yeah. An Antarctic lake. Lake.

Starting point is 00:45:43 So, like... So you know what that means. It's been frozen over for thousands of years, whatever, but they're anticipating that the sediment at the bottom of the lake is probably millions of years old. It also means there's aliens. Well, that's quite a leap from the point of view. Isn't that where alien impredator, the cave, and the alien versus predators movie? Isn't that where that's quite a leap from Is that is that was that were alien impredator the cave and that the alien versus predators movie? Is that where it's an Antarctica where they would they dig in the hole in the cave they go really good?

Starting point is 00:46:11 Yeah, yeah, they found some Some old ruins or something. Yeah, that was yeah So okay explain what an what an underground lake is that means basically snowy Cays big cave and they were flying over I guess it was like a Chinese plane and then they found through Through looking they they could see like a visible lake underneath the sheets of ice ice penetrating radar Yeah, and so they use radar to detect it, but um, so it shows that I mean obviously it's a land masses Not just one huge thing of ice like there's there's a land mass there and one huge thing of ice. Like there's a land mass there. And so who knows, like if there's life in that lake

Starting point is 00:46:48 underneath all that ice? I told you guys about that experiment. Do we go in and do something? I mean, do they would, I think they're going and drilling. Oh, they do an expedition. Well, because you can look back in time. That's interesting. You can literally look back in time

Starting point is 00:47:01 by the fact that we're carbon dating that we have. That was stupid. That's stupid. We can get within a really nice source and proving wrong, dude. Super accurate. You guys remember that? I told you guys about that Soviet experiment, right?

Starting point is 00:47:15 Where they were digging the deepest hole ever. And I think it was in Antarctica. And the story goes, they encountered some creature that maybe you can can look it up, Doug, it was like the, the, the, the, I'm here in all these stories and it's, it's like creatures. That it was, it was controlling the minds of some of the researchers. What's the update on the Mexican agents?

Starting point is 00:47:34 They had to fill the hole in it. Where was it? This is, I believe in Antarctica. Look up the deepest, the deepest hole ever dug by the Soviets and then put monster. Yeah. And it's just like this whole thing about, like this creature, there was a movie

Starting point is 00:47:47 that was based off of it. What was that movie? It was in the snow. It's in the 80s or 90s. And there's like a creature that nobody, okay. No. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:47:58 This is only hope for you. I know. I got any more content. I'm looking right at it. I would not watch that. Yeah. Like 80s, you know. It's called the Cola Super Deep borehole. I got any more content that I would not watching that. Yeah, is that like 80s?

Starting point is 00:48:05 It's called the Cola Super Deep borehole. It went down, I think, boy, 12,000 meters. I did put monster in there. Yeah, yeah, no, that was a monster. Yeah, let's see here. The deepest hole ever dug. Oh yeah, the temperature got up to 356 degrees Fahrenheit. Whoa.

Starting point is 00:48:26 Yeah. No, there was a whole story about it that there was a monster in there. I mean, there's a lot of weird undiscovered stuff there. I mean, I think that's why I'm so interested in it. It's like, we shackled in way back in the day. Did some, you know, no, I'm interested in that. Oh, what do you have to say? What happens? Well, the deepest hole, this is 40, did some, you know. No, I'm interested in that. Oh, what do you guys say? What happens?

Starting point is 00:48:45 Well, the deepest hole, this is 40,000, oh my God. 235 feet. By the way, that doesn't even go through the crust of the earth, you know. It says construction is so deep that local swear you can hear the screams of souls tortured in hell. Wow.

Starting point is 00:49:00 That's crazy. It's deeper than that, even, huh? We've never, I don't think we've ever gotten through the crust of the earth. Wow. I know. I know. You think they would be able to go down.

Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah. Now, here's what's weird about this. So let's speculate, because during the Cold War, we did a lot of weird stuff. That was funded by the government. The US and the Soviets were trying to dig the deepest hole. Why? Yeah, why? Why were we doing that? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:49:26 I don't know. Explain operation high jumps, too. I mean, they're still at it. Very high. There's still a very high probability. It's there. That's actually, yeah. We have any breadth to the crust, dude.

Starting point is 00:49:34 We're not even close to getting where the hell could be. I mean, I'm wondering why they were trying to do that and what would be the point. So it took, just so you know, same point to get into the moon. It took 20 years to go 40,000 feet deep, and it's only about one third of the way through the crust. Wow. Wow. Yeah, we know that it drills.

Starting point is 00:49:55 Yeah. I guess. Well, I mean, if you think about the, we're getting close. How many drill bits they probably broke, the torque that was put on such a long device and then getting rid of the sediment, not, I mean, it's why it would take so long to drill.

Starting point is 00:50:11 So I'm sure, yes. Some of the, I guess they are at my brain, or some of how that would be. Diamond heart rock, see if it's possible. Yeah, but there's gotta be, you're right though, there has to be a, there had to be a war reason why we would have funded that.

Starting point is 00:50:23 Like, why are we all digging holes as deep as we can, unless we're just trying to, like, I guess maybe because we're guys, that's what I do. I got the biggest hole. You know, like you're over there, I'm over here, like, oh, how deep is that? I mean, is it that much different than the moon race?

Starting point is 00:50:37 No, the moon race was literally to show them that if we could launch a rocket to the moon, then we could put a rocket back on. Imagine if we could launch a rocket up to RAS. But, say, maybe that's the same concept. Is that the motivation? Should I take that? Take this whole possible?

Starting point is 00:50:54 Well, theoretically, it wouldn't do anything, right? Theoretically, if you did that, then in you threw something down it, it would just stay in the middle, right? Because that's where all the gravity is. Well, I mean, is this related at all to earthquakes? Cause I know like they drill holes a lot of times to see kind of like how it affects the plates and they found ways of like manipulating seismic activity.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Well, fracking causes has caused some sort of earthquakes in certain places. Yeah. So I don't know. So weaponizing, you know, I wanted to tell you guys, I don't know. So we're up to, you know. I wanted to tell you guys, I don't know what you call this as a dad if you guys experienced this before or not,

Starting point is 00:51:30 but I'm at, so we're in Redwood City, we go out to eat up, Apollo out to this weekend, it was just Katrina and I. And next to us is a couple with a son who looks like he's a young teen, kids real sharp, clean cut cut kid and his dad is like Like drilling him like questions like all related to the real stable and this kid is like

Starting point is 00:51:52 Spouting out all kinds of the like detail on like data that's going on right now And these dads make making him make an argument. Okay, then why would this not be a good time to invest or why would this like what why these markets? What oh my god, I was like so so funny because I mean one of our favorite things to do, or why would this, like, why these markets? Oh, my God. It was like, so funny, because I mean, one of our favorite things to do and we'd go out to places like that as I love. I love, yeah. Ease drop, people watch, like we're always doing that.

Starting point is 00:52:13 And Katrina and I were like sitting there eating there right here, like right to the right of me. And you could tell that she totally caught that I picked up on it, because I'm like no longer listening to her talking. But you just eat your time. And she stops too. So there's like this moment of like silence and like no longer listening to her talking. But you're just eating your tongue right now. And she stops too.

Starting point is 00:52:25 So there's like this moment of like silence. And we're just listening for a while. I love her because she just she like actually introduced herself right away. And she says, Hi, she goes, what's how old is your son? And then they look at her kind of like sideways. They're like, we're totally listening to your conversation. My husband I know right now is geeking out on the fact that your son is spouting off all this and from And then we got in this great conversation

Starting point is 00:52:47 It was like his so he goes to high school at Palo Alto and he has a class that like he had this whole dissertation that he had To put out for that and I forgot the name of the class high school. Yes. Wow. That's cool. Yes It was but I mean, I really did have this like I was totally admiring It was but I mean I really did have this like I was totally admiring the the whole thing like to see the dad Like having this really intelligent like Investor type of conversation with this young, you know teenage boy like that his son to be able to battle back He's dropping. Did you guys ever do that when you were kids where you're with your buddies? And you know there's girls next to you so you make up conversations. they'll you guys ever do that you know that yeah like you do you know yeah you know that's like oh man med school kicking my arms yeah oh man I injured myself lifting all the weights

Starting point is 00:53:37 again again yeah I probably did I'm sure we did I'm sure we did we gave her 15 or Yeah, we had to break up Yeah, yeah, yeah This all this money is falling like pocket I knew a guy that used to he had fake ATM Receipts this is true Oh my brilliant he had fake Yeah, like we even were dropped. No, this is where he would write his phone number. When he would write a girl in the phone. He'd be like, let me get a piece of paper.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Bro, did that work for her? He'd pull it, yeah. Of course it did, yeah it did. And he'd write it on the back of it. And then he'd get a phone call right away. Oh my God. I've actually never heard that. What a scumbag you can think about that.

Starting point is 00:54:18 Well, especially if it's nowhere, if you'd have nowhere near that. So, you're what? No, we're near. This guy had like 25 bucks in the account. Oh, Matt is she. You know what I'm saying? She's good dating for like months, putting all this time.

Starting point is 00:54:27 I'm gonna call John Matt. That's like the guy with the Ferrari key chain. Oh, the shoes in the bar. Yeah, the shoes are the hat. It was a strap and a Mazda. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? That used to be a common thing we used to see.

Starting point is 00:54:38 I feel like I used to see guys that would be rocking like a Ferrari hat or they make Ferrari shoes and all that. I'd be like, like, because we are the gym, right? So we see these people, so like fall amount the parking lot to go see what they drill. I would see this Ferrari, right? He's got gets in some Mazda. Yeah. Oh, I knew guy like that, but he had a Lotus.

Starting point is 00:54:54 So it was like, it's a nice car. It's not a Ferrari, dude. I get the fuck outta here. Come on, bro. Yeah, I think that's funny. I just, to wear the, to wear the apparel, like, the only way that would be okay, I guess, I guess, I mean, it's okay, you do whatever the fuck you want.

Starting point is 00:55:06 But I think where I would justify it, it's like maybe like my uncle worked for the company or like I had a family member that was tied. Do actual Ferrari owners though do that? You know what I mean? Oh for sure. I mean, there's a tie, let's be honest. In order to be out of four that,

Starting point is 00:55:22 you're probably a nerdy successful guy. Yeah, but do they, you think they walk around and advertise it like that? Some are absolutely. I mean, you have some gear up, dude. You have, you have, you have, you have, half an half divide, right? You have like the ultra wealthy that can afford stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:55:35 You have the like, Well, let me ask you guys this, who wears like gold gym shirts? Is it the jack guy or is the guy that just started working out? It's usually not the super jack guy. Right, it's probably, yeah, it's probably the guy that just got better analogy was like a friction and When I did when I started when I started to get to all the new guys were wearing the like I Once you get into it. I mean, I think it's just a type of person that would do that right there

Starting point is 00:56:01 It's definitely the the nerdy guy who probably is afraid to approach girls with that and he wants a signal that I've got a Ferrari and he's probably geared all up in it and announcing it and then there's the other half that are like, I don't want anyone to know, I have to shake it. I just want to borrow it. Did you do it right with the fight guy shirt?

Starting point is 00:56:20 Yeah, especially the ones that just signed up on the weekend. Oh, dude, that was the toned up bar with that. Yeah, for that, that like just signed up on the weekend. Oh, like, dude, that was the ton of bar. Yeah, for that notorious for that. For sure. That's stupid. Did you know that? What's his name? Sean Whalen. He hired the old tap out guy. Yeah, you know, whatever's name. Yeah, yeah, I can't believe you're members name. That's so good. Yeah. Yeah, one of the one of the main dishes was a wallie worked for that three or four of them. There was three or four of them Yeah, yeah, the one that might the mask was dating. Yeah, wow Yeah, the same time he was dating someone else. So it's not that big of a deal

Starting point is 00:56:55 Oh, yeah, yeah, I thought that was really what she showed up to a funeral I like to like there was more than one girl that was there and stuff like oh my god. Yeah I thought that was kind of awkward. Well, it would be a weird time to have the funeral. No, you heard about it. No, I, yeah, we were talking at that same time. That's crazy. Yeah. All right. You had something to shout out, right? Oh, yeah. I wanted to talk about the okay. So obviously, well, you probably don't care. Sal, but most people are paying. Most people are paying attention to the Colorado Buffalo's right now because of Deon Sanders. I mean, it's one of the coolest things to watch right now. He has a Colorado Buffalo. Yeah. Is that an NFL team? No, it's no. I was going to say I never heard that.

Starting point is 00:57:35 To college college football team. He is, he is the new head coach, his son, the roofless. His son is the quarterback. And there was obviously a lot of hype with him just coming there. Colorado, by the way, last year, I think they were like one in 11. They had a terrible record. So and then the opening game they played like last year's bowl, one of the team TCU that was in the bowl last year. And they beat him. And so got all this attention. Be Nebraska. Yes, be caro state. And so anyways, if you are aware of that and that's already caught your attention or your spouse's attention and you're curious

Starting point is 00:58:13 of like some of the backstory is there is a documentary on it's called Coach Prime on Amazon Prime, which is Deon Sanders thing. And it talks about his journey with Jackson State, which is where he coached before this. The program that he was trying to build, the vision that he had, some of the kids that he had there, that have followed him over to Colorado.

Starting point is 00:58:35 And so it kind of gives you an idea of his whole story. But I mean, I love Deon Sanders. I'm sure you're gonna watch it. He has three sons on the team. He's two boys, right? He's a boy who's a corner or a safety. One's a corner. The junior is the corner.

Starting point is 00:58:48 Yeah. And the corner back. That cool is got two boys that are involved. He was a great running bag. Oh shit. Did he know something? Do you know? Do you know?

Starting point is 00:58:56 Do you know that? I've looked it up. Do you know he's the only person, Sal? Do you know he's the only person in history ever? Didn't he play baseball on football? Yeah. On the same day. I know only only person has ever What saves me is I remember random shit that when I'm when I'm hanging out with guys because guys like talk about Yeah, this kind of stuff. Yeah, and they start talking about things and I don't know what the fuck's going on

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Starting point is 01:00:14 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash mine pump, and then use the code mine pump to get 20% off. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Kelly from Virginia. Hi, Kelly. How can we help you? Hello. Thank you for having me. How are you guys? Very good. We're doing great. Amazing. So, I'm cool to see you guys.

Starting point is 01:00:35 Well, just thank you guys so much for having me on. We had answered a previous questions about maps for foreman's and me being gasped. The The questions a little similar but but very I don't know I think it's a little bit more a little more detailed in terms of some of the struggles I've been having over the past few years so just thank you for everything that you guys do for me and for everyone else. Yeah you're welcome. So thank you. So I'll just read from my question. Over the past three years, I've had a goal of decreasing my body fat percentage to below 30% but

Starting point is 01:01:10 for some reason can't seem to break it. I've been lifting consistently since 2020 with I guess I've been working out previous to that but like really lifting with your programs since around 2020 and had been pretty dialed in with nutrition and activity levels. And per some of the guidance from your previous episodes, I started going into a bulk for the better half of last year. So yeah, most of 2022, but sprinkled in many cuts and like kind of maintenance phases throughout.

Starting point is 01:01:47 The scale had been pretty stagnant, but I was really happy because I was like slowly increasing on all my core lifts, which I know is a big cue for you guys. But I was feeling pretty good wanted to get kind of a base level of where I was. And I went to get a dexascane back in May or June. And it still said that I was around 30% body fat. I have been kind of at a maintenance at that point. And I walk eight to 10,000 steps generally per day. I tend to think that I'm pretty healthy, like lifestyle-wise. Don't really drink too much anymore. And so the guy who did my scan, I had a nutritionist call.

Starting point is 01:02:36 They encouraged me to look at my hormone levels. And after going through Stephen Cobraul and his team, found that my cortisol levels were really high. My progesterone was also really low and that there's some correlation between, or potentially correlation between. I guess I'm just confused about how to break through on my body fat goals. Is it related to my cortisol? Do I just need to move more? Am I making excuses for myself? So just trying

Starting point is 01:03:05 to tease out exactly where I'm at and how I can break through it. I don't know. I feel like I shouldn't be super neurotic about my health and nutrition. I don't think it's super helpful, but 30% body fat. I don't know, I just feel like getting it under 30 as a female is important. So yeah, just love to get your take. There's nothing inherently wrong with being 30%. Is it, are you just afraid, is it the number? You saw the number and you're like, I want to get that down, or is it that you feel like you want to be leaner as well? Yeah, I think it's kind of two things, selfishly, and honestly, of course, just want to look

Starting point is 01:04:01 like I work out. I think I kind of do sometimes, but I think I'm really strong in the gym and I feel really good. I'm in power lift right now and I've loved it. I did strong before this. So, but from anabolic to strong to power lift and I've been loving it and I don't know I just feel like I don't look the way I lift and maybe that's just subjective but well yeah it is subjective but there's that but then also you know I my husband and I are starting to try again and I've just been encouraged, you know, maybe just to have a healthy, healthier pregnancy, just to work on my body fat. So it's a little bit just more like health and longevity-wise

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Starting point is 01:05:28 High cortisol low progesterone. Are you familiar with the signs and symptoms of estrogen dominance? Have you looked that up? Yeah, yeah. And it resonates very much. And I've been working on taking magnesium. I've been working on sleeping and stress, and I will say I haven't

Starting point is 01:05:49 rechecked my hormones over the past two, three months, but I do physically feel better. Like I can bounce back from and not feel so bloated after a weekend away, that sort of thing. There are just certain symptoms I feel like are getting better, but yeah, estrogen dominance is definitely, yeah, I think I currently feel through that. That can often come from gut issues, right? So your body's ability to clear estrogen might be a little compromised. So typically this looks like digestive issues,

Starting point is 01:06:23 constipation would be a common one. And can that affect your body fat percentage? I mean, it can, it can through behaviors. Cortisol definitely is a reflection of your your your body, your ability to manage and handle the stress that you currently have. So either that would be a lifestyle thing or a relationship with the lifestyle thing. It could be one of a lifestyle thing or a relationship with a lifestyle thing. It could be one of one of each or both in that particular sense. As far as getting leaner is concerned, it's a very basic approach, right? Take your maintenance calories, cut them, eat a high protein diet,

Starting point is 01:06:58 and then you should get leaner. But if there's an underlying gut issue that is the root cause of the low progesterone high cortisol, you're going to want to address that first before you start to really try to tackle getting leaner with diet. Otherwise, it's going to be in a pill battle. So I don't know exactly what you're on with the practitioners with Dr. Cabral's team. I'm assuming though they're looking at gut health and they're moving you in that direction and that might be why you feel better. Am I hitting the nail on the head or are you guys doing other stuff? Well, I mean, it was just that it was the consultation. It was like a 30 minute or maybe

Starting point is 01:07:36 an hour long consultation and they pointed me in the direction of different supplements and like what test I could take. I hadn't. I was like, let me try to figure out like some of the actionable things first, like sleeping better and you know reducing my stress and stuff before I get into that. But they did mention got issue stuff essentially. How's your digestion? I think it's actually okay. Yeah, I think it's okay. There was a month's span where I was totally off, but I think I just was drinking too much tea or something, and I figured it out. But on a day to day, I think it's actually okay.

Starting point is 01:08:19 I had a question about, you made a comment about being neurotic about calories and tracking., you don't think it's very healthy. And then in your notes, you have that you are eating between 1,900 to 2,000, which leads me to believe that, is that a guesstimation? Or are you actually weighing and tracking food? I was. I was really focused on in 22 when, the early part of this year on on my calories. But I think like I'm just the type of person when I like, when they told me that my cortisol levels were high, I was stressing out about how to get my cortisol levels down. So I was like,

Starting point is 01:08:59 you know, I, I want to, I want to be, I want to approach this in a, in a more, I guess, get a healthy way. But it was, that was accurate. I had bulked up to 2600, 2700, and I was doing okay. And then, but then I went down to about 2100, and then the mini cuts I did 1900 too. So, you could be up, but I haven't. If you were my client, I would have you, I would definitely have you work with the functional medicine practitioner,

Starting point is 01:09:30 just going to get the root issue of the low progesterone. I'm, my guess is it has to do with your digestion and you're not clearing estrogen out of your body, um, properly. So you get a little bit estrogen dominance going on there. That's not my field, so I'm using an educated guess I would say, but I would work with them. And then the cut, I would do five days a week of 1500 calories, and I would do two days a week of 2000 calories. It'll be a slow cut. You're not going to see like rapid fat loss doing it that way, but that's okay.

Starting point is 01:10:01 I don't want you to go too quickly considering everything you've told me. So it's like a five day cut, two day maintenance. I think that would be a perfectly fine approach. So long as you also address, and what's happening with your hormones and get to the root cause? Cause if there is a gut issue that's going on, this is gonna be a constant struggle.

Starting point is 01:10:21 And what'll happen with the cut is you'll find cravings are going to kick in or hormones will work against you and you may find your body trying to lose muscle rather than body fat as a result. Yeah, I earlier in 22, I had done a cut like prior to the bulk. I had done a, I mean, not a drastic cut. I think probably 17, 15 on the other or something. And I went to get a Dexascane and I had increased body fat, lost muscle. And I was like, what is going on?

Starting point is 01:10:55 And right now, like, I feel great, like, I feel like I'm doing great. And I'm like, progressing on the list, I think it's also just by virtue of doing power lift, It's just new to me and like, I don't know, you have like measurable, you know, weights that you increase every, you know, few weeks or whatever. And so that's been really good. But yeah, I think that's totally the,

Starting point is 01:11:18 all the addressing the underlying issues. Yeah, I don't, it's not, I don't think it's a big deal. But I do think that it's, so it's a big deal, but I do think that it, so it's a very straightforward approach. I'm very confident that if you kind of deal with what I said, you're going to get there. It'll be a slow process, but your seer body transformed in the direction you want. So it's literally a five day cut, two day maintenance, but the very consistent, I would work with the function, I would do the tests that they recommended that you take.

Starting point is 01:11:43 I'm assuming they did something, they wanted to do some gut health testing, probably food sensitivity and stool test to see if you have any bacterial overgrowth. And then I would take it from there. I would also make sure you drink a good amount of water on a regular basis, so close to a gallon of water a day, half a gallon to a gallon of water a day.

Starting point is 01:12:03 And I would just start there and take it from there. And it's pretty straightforward. I think it'll be very straightforward if you do it that way. I think you should see a nice, probably 2% loss on body fat on a month, every month. So that's what I would expect about 2% down every 30 days or so, which is a nice, consistent cut. And I don't think it's so much, I don't think it will compromise your fertility either

Starting point is 01:12:28 if you're trying to have a baby. Now, we'll say this, if you get pregnant, I would stop trying to go into deficit. So if you do get pregnant, then I would forget about tracking. I would just eat when I was hungry, stick to healthy food and continue lifting. It's not smart to try to go into cut when you're pregnant. That's a terrible idea.

Starting point is 01:12:45 Yeah, absolutely. This is that super helpful. It's funny, because I'm 30 years old and I'm kind of in this in-between where a lot of my friends either are in the same life stage as me where they're having kids and married and but some of them are still single and partying and whatever.

Starting point is 01:13:04 And so you see all these people, all these like a lot of my single friends that are eating like crap and drinking every week. And I'm like, well, how do you, how do you look like that? And so I think yeah, it is something of a, a mix of, of, you know, just addressing the underlying issue. Um, yeah, because I'm like, I'm, I'm so consistent. Like I walk every day, I work out every day. I'm, every day, I'm so good about this stuff. How is this house? You're fit and healthy.

Starting point is 01:13:26 You're fit and healthy. You're doing okay. I think you're being a little harsh on yourself. But there's probably something underlying that is making it a little bit more challenging. So I think you have a valid question. By the way, in regards to the friends that you see that are doing that,

Starting point is 01:13:38 would you trade places with them? Do you want to be the single girl of 30 going out, trying to meet people? When you got a nice husband and kid at home, I think you're okay. Oh, yeah, I with them? Do you want to be the single girl of 30 going out, trying to meet people? Yeah. When you got a nice husband and kid at home, I think you're okay. Oh, yeah, I know.

Starting point is 01:13:49 With the dating apps and stuff, I can't imagine. Oh my God. I'm good. And you're on the right track with your mindset and the program you're following too. So I think that's great what you're doing. After power left, I would go and map Santa Bologna. I wouldn't do anything with super high volume though until you really figure out what's going on with the hormone situation.

Starting point is 01:14:05 But estrogen dominance, I would look it up, read about it, typically it typically has to do with the digestive system and your ability to clear out estrogen out of your body. And usually you'll see issues with fully clearing, so like digestive issues that look more like constipation and bloating, typically. Okay, all right. We'll do. Thank you. All right, Kelly.

Starting point is 01:14:30 By the way, do you have a map set of ballad? Because if you don't, I'll send it to you. Oh, yeah, I have like everything. Oh, good. Cool. Major consumer of the mind problem. Are you in our forum? I got my husband on you guys too.

Starting point is 01:14:40 We always say, my mind, pub. If you're not in our forum, I'll let you in our forum too, Kelly, so we can follow up with you. That'd be great. Yeah, thank you so much. We'll put you in there. Thanks, Kelly. All right. Take care. Thank you. You got it. You're pretty straightforward. I think that's going to, I guess if she was my client, we'd be very straightforward, the direction we would go, unless something

Starting point is 01:15:02 really weird. You definitely got health direction with the functional medicine. That's where, I mean, that's where I would look. There could be something else, but that's exactly right. Yeah, I want to do an advocate. I want to address what she said about pregnancy and healthy. There is a little bit of a misconception

Starting point is 01:15:14 on body fat percentage and what's healthy for a woman to get pregnant. I think you assume, in fact, one of the things that, when Katrina and I were first trying to get pregnant, we struggled with was that her body fat percentage was high enough. And that's, she's not even, she wasn't even dieting. She was just help what you would consider healthy, athletic, making good food choices. It probably told her to get your body fat. That's right. And we were having a hard time getting pregnant. And the doctor said, you know, honestly, maybe, maybe tried to put on a

Starting point is 01:15:42 little bit of body fat. And she was like, what? Yeah? Because in her head, she's like, I don't feel lean and ripped or anywhere near that right now. I'd like to be leaner. And he's like, yeah, but not ideal for getting pregnant. So honestly, between that 20 to 25 minimum on the low end and then 30 is not bad at all. It's not, it doesn't have like adverse effects until you start getting really high.

Starting point is 01:16:04 And it really depends on the person Yeah, generally once you start to get above 30 you might notice some stuff, but I mean between like you said between 25 to 30. I mean you're fine If especially if you're fit and you and you're everything else. Yeah, you're straight training your act Yeah, our next color is Carol from Indiana. Hi Carol. How can we help you? Hi, I'm actually from California. I'm not sure how we got that, but it's all good. Hi guys. First of all, really appreciate all the work you do. As everybody says, you know, the information's great. I've let so many friends know, you know, to listen in if they have any questions about things, fitness related and life related.

Starting point is 01:16:44 So I just, I appreciate it and you know, I've been, fitness related and life related. So I appreciate it. And I've been listening for a few years now. So great stuff. Thank you. How can we help you? So basically, it's not a super complicated question, but I'll just go ahead and get into it with my background. And then if you needed know anything else, go ahead and ask. I'm 23 years old, five, three, 125 pounds. I dance ballet my whole life up until graduating high school, since then I've been weight training for around five years. I also work at Disneyland as a parade performer.

Starting point is 01:17:22 I've been in a cut for a few months, and I got to my lowest weight at 120 pounds. I'm now heading into a bulk. Now I weigh around 125 pounds and my goal is 135 and to hopefully make the most gains on my shoulders and my legs. I started Maps aesthetic last week, so now I'm on week two. And I really like the full body days. I love switching up the frequency. But I'm not really interested in growing my biceps triceps or my traps anymore. So I was wondering, is it okay to just kind of take the exercises out on some of the foundational days so that I'm just kind of maintaining the muscle mass. Or would you recommend removing them or replacing them with exercises from other muscle groups? Yeah, just remove them.

Starting point is 01:18:16 Well, it depends. Hold on a second. What character do you do in the pre-stupid? I'm a dancer. I'm just a dancer for like a... Hold on, show us your biceps. Let's see. Yeah, no, look at that. Yeah, no, those are bigger in cells. You can skip biceps.

Starting point is 01:18:36 No, it does. So yeah, you're fine. You can skip them completely. And I wouldn't because you're following maps aesthetic and that's already a high volume program. You don't necessarily and those are small muscle groups. It's not going to be a big deal. And but you're still getting that work when you're doing chest and back. Like those muscles are getting engaged. They're not being neglect. Yeah. So it's not like you're completely neglecting them.

Starting point is 01:18:57 So I think that's totally, totally fine. The mistake I do think that a lot of people make though is they go, okay, I'll just do more of the thing that I really want to work thinking that even more of that volume is going to be better for you, not necessarily, and I would just probably drop that off. Yeah, or beginners, right? Let me skip this muscle group. Like, no, no, no, you just got started.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Yeah. I think you need to train everything. You're totally fine avoiding those things in your training and really, because you're fit. You've been doing this for a while, you're obviously fit, you work out, you're pretty strong, you could cut those out and it wouldn't be an issue whatsoever. And you wouldn't notice any negative effects.

Starting point is 01:19:34 You just don't want them to get more developed is what you're saying. Yeah, you're totally fine. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Have you done any of our other programs or is Maps aesthetic the first one that you jumped into? Um, that's just the one I bought a few years ago. So then I've just run it like a few times. Um, otherwise I kind of try and like program myself and like I'll build it out according to like how many sets and I'll split it up throughout the week So I've done it. I've done like different types of splits and everything, but yeah, pretty much just aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:20:05 And that's like really different than what I would make. What's your goal with the bulk? Where do you want to see most of that muscle go? Shoulder shoulders and her legs. Shoulders and legs. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I like maps powerlifts.

Starting point is 01:20:17 I like symmetry. Or symmetry is the other program mainly to because I mean, I've trained a lot of dancers. There's always a lot of imbalances to kind of work through and that's usually not highlighted enough and it gets highlighted a lot with unilateral training. So, you know, it could also help to any lagging body part, anything else specifically to that stands out, it'll kind of reveal itself. But have you ever done like a powerlifting style, like get really good at the deadlift and the squat and the... No, I mean like I've worked on getting my deadlifts and squat heavy, but like amongst

Starting point is 01:20:50 bodybuilding style training. So never like really focused. I like powerlifting. I like powerlifting for you. I think that would be a great shift. I think that would be a great next program for you. And in a bulk would be phenomenal. I think you would really, you would reap a lot of benefit.

Starting point is 01:21:05 So you've never done like pure strength training. Yeah. I guess not. Oh, I so I like you that. I like the idea of running power lift in your bulk and then your maintenance are cut in aesthetic just personally. So you're gonna pack on the, as much muscles you can in your bulk through power lift, which is gonna be one of the better

Starting point is 01:21:24 programs to do that. And then when you get into like really sculpting, I would run like a maintenance to a slight cut in aesthetic where maybe I'd underlate that one week, I would be running like a maintenance calories then the next week I'd run like a cut or do that every two weeks flip flop through aesthetic. I think you get some great benefit.

Starting point is 01:21:42 Totally. Okay, yeah, I got it. I think I've run aesthetic through a cut before and it worked out really well because of the high volume. I really liked it. I think I was just trying to switch it up a little bit this time, but for sure power lift

Starting point is 01:21:56 sounds like it would be a good. We'll send that to you. Yeah, we'll send that over to you. What's your change of pace? What is your deadlift and squat look like now? Like weight wise for one rep max Haven't done like one in a in a while, but for one rep I've done a squat at 245 and deadlift

Starting point is 01:22:16 I've never done like my true one rep, but I can do two 45 for like reps. Holy shit. Yeah, you're strong. You're strong as hell Yeah, yeah, mass power lift in a bulk. I think you're going to be trip out over the goals, over the results with that. Yeah, thank you. You got it. Keep us. I have a good way. I was just going to say, I can't wait to hear actually what those numbers because you're already really strong. Be interesting to see what kind of gains you see that. So circle back afterwards. Yeah, no, absolutely. My other question was just like, do you have any tips or advice for the bulk?

Starting point is 01:22:56 Just because I've done a couple before, you know, felt really strong, felt really good, but just like, how can I optimize this? Do you have any, when you've done them in the past, do you find there's any challenges? So or has it been super successful for you? Or do you find you find like oh I have a hard time this or sometimes I mean you track in the bowl or you're just trying to eat more? I usually track I I am pretty like Like precise making sure I hit my protein and my calories like I kind of let the fat and carbs making sure I hit my protein and my calories. Like I kind of let the fat and carbs fluctuate because I feel good usually regardless because I'm eating more.

Starting point is 01:23:31 But here's a tip for you. Since shoulders and legs are a priority, start some of your workouts with the shoulder exercise first. I probably don't wear or I don't know if you do that already or not, but that's a, there's some value to you being in a bulk because you want to develop shoulders, lead the workout sometimes with shoulders. I would basically toggle back or those for sure are my one and two is legs and shoulders to start my work. Yeah, if you're tracking, you're eating high protein. The main thing I would focus on

Starting point is 01:24:00 with the bulk are easily digestible foods. So if whenever you're picking your starches and your fats, pick foods that just feel super easy to digest because that becomes the challenge is how well you can assimilate the food that you ate. Some people run until like things like bloat and digestive issues when they get into a bulk and that can really cause things to plateau. What about creatine? You run creatine? Yeah, I'm taking creatine.

Starting point is 01:24:27 Oh yeah, you're on point. Yeah, you're on point. You're on point. Yeah. So now that Sal said that about the making sure you eat easily digestible foods, it does remind me of like when I get really to towards the end, towards the goal way, it's harder to really to like eat those cleaner foods

Starting point is 01:24:47 even though like they're more easily digestible. So like sometimes I'll just have like, you know, like some cheap meals. And then I, you know, won't hit my goal for that reason. But yeah, I'm going to try and be cleaner about it like this time towards that. When it gets to the point where you feel like you're force feeding yourself and you're like this sucks,

Starting point is 01:25:04 then you need to reverse out. Yeah. That's just a sign. You need, and sometimes you need to reverse out for a week and then go back and you feel okay. I also think too, as young and as fit as you are too, it's okay to do that. I want to also have balance in your life. Totally. So like you also know, yeah, you also don't want to be so neurotic that you're like, oh, I can't have that. It's like, no, yeah, what's your cheat meal? Um, just like I'll let myself go out like to, you know, get food like whether it's like Cain's chicken or like, just whatever sounds good to me. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have that because burger fries every once in a while, all up to each every once in a while. Like you, you should,

Starting point is 01:25:41 you should do that. I mean, you're, you're gonna put in your life, like you don't wanna be the girl who's carrying her temporal around all the time when you're as good a shape as you are. So I would allow yourself to do that once and while. Well, thank you guys. That's all I really had, but I'm like, I'm super grateful to be here and I'm super grateful for all that information.

Starting point is 01:26:03 You got it. And they'd be running Powerlift next for sure. If you have any connections with Disneyland, just email us. We all have kids. We've got kids, you know, secret places and discounted tickets, you know, stuff like that. You get to take like, I've been there before with a, I forget what you guys call me like a VIP person who has like paid

Starting point is 01:26:21 an annual membership where they like take us around the park and like we got to go to to the front of the line. Can you do that to your family? Do you have access to that? No. I think that only special people get that. I've never heard of that until we got to experience that. I don't want to do the princess dinner in the castle.

Starting point is 01:26:35 You did. I've been ruined after experiencing Disneyland that way. Now I'm like, man, I've got to find somebody else who can do that. That was amazing. Have you gone to all the secret rooms because I even hear some of the employees haven't even been to all the secret rooms. No, no.

Starting point is 01:26:50 Like, that's wild. Like, I think just, you know, depending on where you work, you might be like granted access or not. I don't really know how it works because I've never been to like a secret room. But, that crazy. Oh, that's crazy. All right, well thanks for calling in, Karen.

Starting point is 01:27:03 Thanks, Carol. Yeah, thanks for having me. You got it. I did the preck, the princess preck fest. I bet you did. What my daughter, you did. With my daughter, and I screamed down.

Starting point is 01:27:14 We actually had to book it, and then they had the prince, and it was in the castle, and you meet up and then they, I thought that way, in my daughter club, 33, it was, yeah, so we did all,

Starting point is 01:27:22 I actually got it to go with somebody who was like paid like a crazy, like a crazy membership fee. Like I don't, like $100,000 or something ridiculous. Yeah, something, maybe that's exaggerating, but it's a lot, right, for Disneyland, it's an adult. And that was one of the things you get is you get a chauffeur basically to take you around and you go front-align everything you have accessed all the private rooms. And the girl who got to go around with us

Starting point is 01:27:45 was so excited to take us. She never done it because she's never done it. And she worked there for like six years. So it's like really common that you could work there for a long time and not even see all of Disneyland because they keep it. So, you know, I'm just going to say this and I'm going to piss off a lot of people. But if you're an adult and you go to Disneyland by yourself,

Starting point is 01:28:05 oh, don't say, but you're pissed my sister off, bro. My sister's a huge life. I took her for her 30th birthday. That's cool. I like her, she's cool, but she wanted to do was Disneyland. And I hate getting her defense. That's weird. It was actually, I had a really good time.

Starting point is 01:28:16 I thought, you know what, like it's, there's a good. Yeah, but would you do it as a man, like just you and Justin, go to Disneyland and maybe Justin. Wow, Justin's a lot of fun. You guys are weird. We probably do mushrooms. Yeah. Walking, they're wide.

Starting point is 01:28:29 That's the way to get kicked out. What a crazy place to do psychedelics. Sizzyland. Let me start by. We're doing tea cups. Yeah. Oh, that makes me sick. I don't do spinny stuff at all.

Starting point is 01:28:39 Our next caller is Tiffany from Canada. Hi, Tiffany. How can we help you? Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. What's going on? So, first of all, I've been listening to you since I think you started and I love your podcast. So thank you. Wow, thank you. Yeah, I've been around with you guys for a long time. So my question is I'm a landscape gardener. you guys for a long time. So my question is I'm a landscape gardener. So I work out, I'm definitely type A and I work out year round except eight months of the year. I'm pretty heavy in labor for work and I just feel like I get the body that I want in the winter and then it's like it starts going

Starting point is 01:29:21 backwards during my busy season whether it's stress or I'm doing that. And it happens to me almost every year and I don't know how to get out of this circle that I'm in. I have a good idea why. I'm assuming if you're taking that much activity and you're also trained, you probably just need to cut back on the volume of training that you're doing and feed yourself more.

Starting point is 01:29:46 And what happens in the winter is it probably naturally happens, right? You work, you work, class, you're indoors a little bit more, so you're not moving around as much, you're not, the intensity's not there because the labor's not there. You probably even can't just cover better. You're comfort foods or eat, eat a little more in the winter and your body's thanking you for it. And then you go to grind mode in work time

Starting point is 01:30:05 and naturally just all the labor, movement, maybe even two of those of you getting up calorie, yeah, stress, like. So can you explain what a work day looks like when you're busy? It says here that you're a gardener, so you're physical, you're outside. What does that look like in a day?

Starting point is 01:30:21 No, in the spring when things kind of, when my body gets shocked from me going back to work, I'm dragging heavy tarps all day. So in the spring when things kind of like when my body gets shocked from me going back to work, I'm dragging heavy tarps all day and I'm lifting heavy barrels of like debris and stuff like that. So my spring is definitely my hardest part of the season and then again in the fall when our leaves fall, fall clean up is hard on me as well, but I'm moving, you know, 10 to 30,000 steps a day. I'm, you know, I'm weeding, I'm digging, I'm planting, so I'm very active that way. And I do take about a month off in the spring from the gym, but then it's my passion, and I feel like it just turns into all I do is work if I don't go to the gym. So I don't know how to like, keep my results that I got all winter too. Like do I not go to the gym for eight months the year? I would miss that. Yeah, so yeah, it's less about not going to the gym at all and the intensity and the amount

Starting point is 01:31:13 of volume you're probably doing. So when you do go back to the gym, what is like a gym week look like for you? What do you, how do you typically train? So I would say I started out about three times a week and I just I don't go as long because I know that I'm now adding yet another stress onto my plate. So I'll go in and I'll train like I love shoulders. So I'll train shoulders twice a week and then I'll do a little bit of legs and then a little bit of everything else. But I try not to heavy load because I know that I'm like squatting all day and I'm dead lifting all day for work. So I try to do more like a leg pass or different things that maybe don't put as much on like my back and my core. And I then I slowly

Starting point is 01:31:57 you know add a little bit more and a little bit more. You're on the right track. I agree. You're on the right track, Tiffany, look at it this way. I'm sure you plan on exercising for the rest of your life. Your workouts need to improve the quality of your life. So when the context of your life changes, or the circumstances change, the workouts have to change. Otherwise, your life is your workouts, which if that's what you want, then we can do that,

Starting point is 01:32:24 and then you can become a trainer, live in a gym, quit your job, and now that's what you do. But if that's not what you want to do, and you want to have this amazing life, and you like exercising because it improves things, you have to modify your workouts. What it's probably going to look like is one day a week of strength training, or really easy, full-range emotion motion recuperative type workouts, where you're not in there to train, you're in there to feel better.

Starting point is 01:32:50 Now here's the kicker, you'll get better results this way. Like you're gonna get better results if you train in this way. You should feel more energy and better from your workouts, not less, okay? I like maps 15 for or two. Maps 15 in season would be amazing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:06 Literally, it's like a 15, 20 minute workout every day. And that would probably be ideal during the season. And you'll get better results. You'll see strength, muscle, and, and, and be muscle preserving for sure. We also didn't talk about what, what might be happening also nutritionally. So how do you think your eating habits change from winter

Starting point is 01:33:25 to, you know, work season? Um, I would definitely say I eat less all winter. I eat, I'm pretty intuitive eater. I don't like, I definitely hit my protein target. I can't afford to be able to eat protein. Um, so I definitely have enough protein and then I would say I'm probably more on the higher carbohydrate. So I eat a lot of plantain and oats and rice and definitely whole foods that way. I think what happens is in the spring I start to actually lean out a little bit more and then I totally go the other way because my body is like what the heck is going on.

Starting point is 01:34:07 And then I start nickel and diamond my diet because I'm scared because I like thin lean and I'm maybe not eating as much as maybe I would if I was listening to my body. Yeah. Okay. So here's what I want you to do. Your winter's fine. Your training and diet seems want you to do. Your winter's fine, your training and diet seems like you're fine.

Starting point is 01:34:26 When you get into the season, either cut your training down to once a week or do something like maps 15, and I want you to add a meal. That's all. Don't worry about tracking all that stuff because you do it intuitively. Sounds like you're making good choices. I would add an extra meal to your day

Starting point is 01:34:41 and that's how I would eat during the work season. And I think that'll cover your basis right there. And it will, because what's happening now is you're going into it and because you're dramatically increasing your activity, not changing your workouts too much, your body's rebounding. So you're getting cravings and, oh, now I'm over-trained and then you go in the opposite direction. Versus what I'm saying, which is you're going in and you're prepared, so you just add a meal,

Starting point is 01:35:06 make it a three, four hundred calorie meal, and then cut your training, your strength training, way down. And I think you'll, it'll be a smooth transition if you do it that way. So either maps had a ball like one day a week or maps 15. You're one of those, I think, would work. Totally.

Starting point is 01:35:22 Do you have either one of those or both those, by chance? It's a idea. Okay, awesome. Totally. Do you have either one of those or both those by chance? This idea. Okay, awesome. Cool. And you know, I did start adding in meditation because I am a stress cadet and I was noticing that things that don't normally bother me were kind of getting to me this year. I was feeling like a bit of a chicken with my head cut off because I have staff and I have clients and I have all these people that, you know, have questions all day long. I feel like sometimes I have like a toddler, you know, because it's answering question after question after question. And so I was feeling

Starting point is 01:35:53 really maxed this year. It was the first year that I felt like I was overwhelmed and I was more tired than usual. So I am trying to like do more, put more in the good bucket, but it's tough for me because I do like control and I do like to train and I'm always worried that I'm going to go backwards, but I end up going backwards because I do too much. Yeah, it's the illusion of control. Moving the other direction, Tiffany,

Starting point is 01:36:18 you're still modifying things, you're just doing it the right way, that's all. It's not, you're not giving up another word. It's not like you're giving up on something that's better for you, you're actually doing it the right way. That's all. You're not giving up. In other words, it's not like you're giving up on something that's better for you. You're actually moving in the right direction. You sound pretty self aware too. I mean, I think the most of the things that you're doing,

Starting point is 01:36:34 you're doing the right things. I don't think you're far off or taking it. And you look like you're in incredible shape. So we are like nitpicking right now as far as, especially if you feel good. I mean, if you feel good, you're just kind of like, hey, I wish I could keep my gains from winter. Here's some slight adjustments that I think could

Starting point is 01:36:50 adding the meal and modifying the training the way we said. That would, that would do it. And then maybe one more thing to consider if you haven't done this anytime recently, like recent as in the last year or more, uh, is actually running like a bulk for a little bit. I don't know, it went, when it suits you in your life. Like obviously I wouldn't do that ad to that on top of everything else you might have going on. But when there's a time or a season in your life where it's like, Hey, you know,

Starting point is 01:37:12 I haven't really nourished. Yeah. Tried to like, you know, pump my calories up higher than what I normally do and really pushed the weight in the gym, like maybe run a small cycle of a of an intentional bulk. If you haven't already. I definitely avoid that at all costs. So that's okay. I'm hitting the nail on the head. Okay, well then this might be also what we're missing then. This, I mean, if you have, if you kind of have, okay,

Starting point is 01:37:37 now we can get a little bit deeper into this stuff. So if you, if part of what's going on right now is you have this fear of eating too many calories because you're going to put on body fat and so you're always at maintenance earn a cut and you also have high stress and you have this season where you bone cut. And part of what you might be feeling is your reaction strong because of that. Yeah, that you're you're pairing down muscle and your body's going into survival mode and it's really because it's not recovering, it's not being fed properly.

Starting point is 01:38:06 And maybe what you do need to do is run a nice bulk. And I'll tell you right now, looking at you, you're not- Flexibility. You're not gonna get fat. Literally. Put on a ton of weight. Adam Meal.

Starting point is 01:38:16 Eat what you're eating now, eat an extra meal. And that'll do it for you. You know, when I, like I'm 40 to this year year and when I was leading up to, I'm going to say 30, I was the girl with the biggest cooler and I, all of the food and I didn't ever, you know, um, Nichol and I might die at and I did the same job and I was active and I feel like I've, I love to help and fitness podcast but almost to a fault because then I start second guessing in my eating too much. And I fully, and I was lean like my whole, you know, in my 20s, I was around the same

Starting point is 01:38:53 weight, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten scared to eat all the calories. No, you're fine. We need a bulk. Yeah, you're fine. If you were my client, we would go on a bulk right now. Totally. That's what we would do. Right now. Yeah, I would say it's, let's, let's, let's,

Starting point is 01:39:06 let's, when to stop. When to stop. I would, I would want to get you strong. So this is what I, this is what I want to do. What do you think's going to happen? Do you think you're going to like, just gain 15 pounds of body fat overnight? What's the fear? So I have hypothyroidism and I did cause that from overtraining, I believe. And so, when my thyroid stopped working, I did gain a bunch of weight really rapidly. And back before, I knew, not that I know all of the things, but I know a lot more now,

Starting point is 01:39:40 obviously, about thyroid and about stress. And so, it took me four years to get that weight off in a healthy way. And so I am scared because I've been in that place where I was gaining 10 pounds in a week. And that's terrifying for someone who is very rigid about their diet and rigid about exercise. So I'm always scared to go back to that feeling

Starting point is 01:40:03 like the weight's on and I don't know how to get it off. Yeah, that's not gonna happen this time Yeah, that's not gonna happen and that by the way that's reasonable to be nervous Of course putting 10 pounds on a week. I would be scared you had I mean you had some serious hormone issues Which I'm assuming now are remedied through medication. Yeah, it's been about 12 I've had to like really like take a look at you know How I thought of myself. I think I was probably just driving my body into the ground. Yeah. And so I've been to work.

Starting point is 01:40:29 I've had to do a lot of physical work. And like, I have, I'm way better, but I still have that part of me that's, that like, we're getting somewhere now. Now I feel like I know what's going on, even more. So like you, you obviously, that would be traumatic, right? To be piling on 10 pounds every week and consider yourself a healthy person. And so you've still got that in the back of your head and you got to get rid of that. And honestly, part of getting rid of that would be, let's try and go on

Starting point is 01:40:56 a bulk and together, I'm going to be with you. So I'm going to have Doug put you in the forum. So we're there for support because what is going to be challenging here is nothing to do with the amount of calories It's gonna be the psychological piece. It's gonna be you Not fucking with yourself and freaking out because you know You initially put on a little bit of water weight and you know the scale goes up a couple pounds And you freaking out and then reversing the other direction because you think it's gonna happen again So this is an area where I would be communicating

Starting point is 01:41:26 with you on a pretty regular basis. So obviously every day if you were my client, because I would wanna talk you off the ledge every day, that it's okay, we'll stay the course, it's gonna be fine, like don't worry, we're not gonna put 30 pounds on, like you're gonna be fine. Yeah, and Tiffany, it's literally what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure you eat regularly in the sense

Starting point is 01:41:46 that you know what you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's probably not just random. Okay, literally just, this is your bowl, okay? Add an extra meal, a small meal. That's all, with what you normally eat. And don't worry about it, just add an extra meal. Boom, that's your bowl right there. Okay.

Starting point is 01:42:04 Okay, and you're just gonna feel better. It's what's gonna happen. You're gonna feel stronger. Okay, thank you guys for your money. You got it. I'm gonna put you in the forum. I want you to stay in touch with us, Tiffany. Absolutely, thank you.

Starting point is 01:42:17 Okay, all right. I like the countertop that was in front of the hotel. That was really nice. She, yeah, I'm glad you said that, Adam, because that really got to the kind of route of what was going on. She just obviously, and I think she's aware of this, she's just running too hard, not eating enough.

Starting point is 01:42:33 And everything she's feeling is a result of that. Yeah, I mean, first of all, she is incredible shape already. So I was like, man, we're really like splitting hairs here. She looks great. She's in good shape. What's going on? Yeah, but then when I was like, Hey, how long has like splitting hairs here. She looks great. She's in good shape. What's going on? Yeah, but then when I was like,

Starting point is 01:42:46 Hey, how long has it been since you've ran a ball? It's like 10, 12 years. It's, oh, okay. Yeah, no, you definitely could, and that's just it. That's 14,000 steps, a laborious job like that and training just too much. And her body is not responding the way it should. Now, this is like, this

Starting point is 01:43:05 is like one of the hardest parts about what we do because we're virtual and we don't have this person as a client because this is like, I'm talking to you every day, type of deal, we're just like, how are you doing today, Tiffany? What did you get that extra meal in? And then like, how do you feel? Oh, I don't. And then she expressed it. Simple advice, but not easy. Yeah, exactly. Like then she's expressing, oh my god. I noticed a scale went up or I Feel it and then you talk it's okay. Don't worry. We're fine. You're doing good. You know what I'm saying? You just have to have that conversation. So I hope She trusts us and the advice she does do the bulk she does stick with it. I know she asks us a timeframe

Starting point is 01:43:38 Do it at least Tiffany for six to eight weeks. You can afford to do that back up so you can get that flexibility Our next caller is Drew from Oregon. Drew, what's up, man? How can we help you? How we doing? Good. Good deal. First, I want to say thanks for having me on listening guys for quite a while throughout some of the education process. You kind of feel like I worked as much as me guys at school. Just took a job not long ago after

Starting point is 01:44:10 graduating in G.H. First of all, I just wanted to say, you guys can't put that job on radar. Training seniors at an independent living facility and a lot of information I got from you guys in terms of what it's like to train that demographic, what have been on my map and I leave this job more days or not being like to help, do I really have paid for this? That's awesome. That's sweet. Yeah, I really appreciate that. That's awesome.

Starting point is 01:44:45 The school and science thing, I get really excited about it. The main question is just how to navigate over explaining some of the science or getting two into the needs and detail versus some of the residentials want to show up, kind of deal with their toll and get move in, which is great. But I think the why is everybody as important is what we do. It's very important, but remember, well, let me ask you this. Why do you do what you do? Is it because you're like helping these people? Or just because you want to teach them about the science behind what they're doing? It's helping with people, for sure. I've gotten a couple 90-year-olds.

Starting point is 01:45:30 Tell me they moved around in the house, but I don't think they can walk. X amount longer than before. It's more gratifying than I would have thought. But I geek out. I love this science behind it. I love the little technique, little details that not everybody does and they don't need to. Yeah, no, you don't need to come in.

Starting point is 01:45:51 I mean, let's, they're into it. And they find it fat. I used to have a client who was in his 80s, he was retired. He was a retired anesthesiologist. And he loved the why, the science behind what we were doing. So those are the conversations I had with them. But all the other, you know, I'm generalizing, right?

Starting point is 01:46:10 But all the other advanced age clients that I trained, there was two things that they valued through coming to my facility. One was obviously the fitness that I provided, the ability to improve their mobility, their strength, their stability, their independence. The other thing that they valued was the companionship. A lot of these people, they're grandkids and kids, don't visit them on a regular basis. They're either on their own or with assisted living. They love to come in and just talk with me.

Starting point is 01:46:42 If you want to be effective, you want to provide a great experience. Not necessarily educating them. I mean, a lot of them don't care about the why. They just like that. It feels good. It works. And they love to come see Drew. And he's a good kid.

Starting point is 01:46:56 And oh, I can't wait to talk to Drew. And what's happening at home, Drew? And you're getting married soon. And the last of these kind of questions. And then that's what it's all about. Now, if you want wanna scratch that itch where you get to geek out on stuff, you might need to find another outlet,

Starting point is 01:47:10 like forums on social media, or groups where you could talk to other fanatics like yourself. But if you really wanna be effective, what you don't wanna do is, you know, always remember the experience that you're trying to provide them, and it's for them, it's not necessarily for you. And I will say this, okay, here's the other side of it.

Starting point is 01:47:30 You'll find tremendous value out of the wisdom that you'll get from some of these people. And a lot of them will have nothing to do with, you know, the field that you work in, but rather things that you're, you still haven't learned because you're a young man, and they've lived a lot of life. Drew, I'm gonna share something with you that is is gonna come from a place to love

Starting point is 01:47:48 But it's gonna feel like I'm probably attacking you So in my career most of what I did was Train trainers and I had the opportunity to work with a lot of PhDs master degrees brilliant brilliant minds and When trainers struggle with this and I'd ask that that same question, what's our desired outcome? Do we want to truly help these people? Of course they'd say yes, they said, but when you feel the need to do that, it comes from a place of insecurity,

Starting point is 01:48:12 of feeling like I need to prove to everybody how smart I am, versus really trying to help this person. This is no different than my insecurity around money. So for a long time, when I started to come up from being a poor kid and I became successful, I'd find myself in these rooms. And as soon as we started talking to people, I felt the need to tell everybody my bank role and how successful I was. And that's coming from a place of insecurity. Who do I, none of these people do I have to prove that to? What is that doing for building a relationship? So that feeling that I'd have to do that

Starting point is 01:48:41 is coming from an insigur place. My PhDs and masters that work for me for a long time, it's the same thing too. Is they had some deep rooted insecurity about being the smartest person in the room or being educated or intelligent, and so they get into these places where they have an opportunity to teach, and then they would over teach. And I'd be constantly telling them, it's like, it's so great that you're this intelligent. It's like, you're one of my favorite best trainers that I have here as far as knowing your shit, but you're talking to some kid or some lady who doesn't give a shit about the science.

Starting point is 01:49:09 And if our goal, if we agree that my goal and your goal is to truly help these people, then you have to recognize you're allowing yourself to get in the way of that by overtocking and overtaking. Yeah, usually this is a challenge, by the way, with Grad, when new graduates always do this. And I think it's because you just came out of school. You're like an evangelist of them.

Starting point is 01:49:27 Yeah, and you really want to, like, this is what I know. There's two things. One, you enjoy talking about this stuff. And then two, what Adam's saying, which is whether you're aware of it or not, this is very common with new trainers and coaches, is you want to validate your value. And so this is what I know. And this is what the body does, and here's what's happening to you humorous,

Starting point is 01:49:46 and it's internally rotated, and here's why your scapula hurts and all this other stuff. But if you want, if that's, you really enjoy talking about this stuff, talk to people who like to hear about that, and you get way more value. Yeah, start videotaping yourself doing that, and start producing content,

Starting point is 01:50:02 like, you know, turn that into something that, you know, somebody else like a potential trainer could, you know, reap the benefit from in terms of you breaking down all the nuance and, you know, examples of clients that you've helped and how you've been able to do that meticulously through utilizing these methods. And, yeah, there's nothing wrong with being passionate about this stuff. And it's just, yeah, I catch myself like, if I learn some new concept like that, like bringing it right back to my clients and, oh, get all excited to educate them. When, in fact, you know, I've learned over the years to kind of, you know,

Starting point is 01:50:39 use that and shuttle that elsewhere. And then also to, like, apply it almost in a sneaky way So it shows up in their programming, but it's not I'm not overwhelming. There's nothing wrong with being excited and passionate And learning something new and wanting to give that information was I was the same way too Okay, so that that's totally okay But just understand how you're communicating and if the desired outcome if you truly in your heart, is to help that kid or to help that person, then getting them to adopt whatever it is you're teaching. It's so much more important than them knowing that you know how many layers this goes deep and all the time. And they wouldn't even remember that if they don't care anymore. They won't. It's like you're

Starting point is 01:51:17 just talking to the wall. That's right. That's the way it's the way it's the time. That's right. And so just just remember that as you do that, that if you want that's the desire outcome then getting them to adhere to it And by the way when you hack into this at a guy with that has the intelligence and has the level that you do It's a superpower. It's like you have the intelligence now to talk to doctors and talk to very intelligent people And so you can have that conversation when it's needed and you'll impress them But then you have the ability to connect to people who actually feel insecure about that level of intelligence that aren't going to ignore you because what you don't even know what happens

Starting point is 01:51:50 is sometimes when someone is talking to you, if you hear someone you're like, I understand, nothing this guy is saying, you shut down. You shut down, but you're too embarrassed to admit that you don't understand what you're saying. So they just sit there and nod their head, meanwhile they're getting hurt. Or worse, they're saying. So they just sit there and nod their head. Meanwhile, they're getting, or worse, they're bored.

Starting point is 01:52:07 And now you've created a crappy experience and they don't want to do it. You see a difference, right? You're not breaking through as well, you know what it is. And a lot of times it's ourself getting in the way of that. And you can still be passionate and excited. But then just as a passionate, excited is connecting to that person

Starting point is 01:52:22 who doesn't understand at that level. All right. I mean, you guys are spot on. That thought is kind of corrupt and I had definitely at times, you know, the talk of the wall. You know, I do my way, my, my works. It's, you know, I need to know the why and a lot of things. And I've known that that's not how everybody clicks the majority don't yeah Mm-hmm, and so you know and wanting to be effective like you guys have said it's

Starting point is 01:52:53 That's it true if you were Drew if you were my client I would get deep into the science because you like it. And that's probably going to be very effective for you. But most people are not like that. But if you were my client, I had clients like you. And I would, we would go as far and as deep as they wanted and it was really effective. But I'm going to tell you, most of these advanced age people who are living in these assisted living situations, ask them about their marriage, ask them about the kids that they raised and where they grew up and how has the world changed and what do you think about raising kids

Starting point is 01:53:32 and you're going to get so much out of that. It's not, I can't even tell you how much I got out of doing that. For them, they're like, they're going to love seeing you because a lot of them, they don't just want to move better and feel better They and maybe they don't realize it but that companionship and that connection dramatically improves their health and they and they want it and you'll see they'll show up they'll fight over Seeing you and you're gonna want to show up even more because of that And I will say part of what I love about the job that

Starting point is 01:54:02 They scheduled that time and I get to connect with these. I went to Crater Lake yesterday. I'm like psyched about this gig. It's in the classes. We're going over some exercise that type of thing, but I, you know, would echo where your standard connection to unity that's been every everybody's special is getting to geek out on my stuff. That's awesome. You're going to kill a Jew. That's a great thing.

Starting point is 01:54:30 I do agree with you. Don't drown. And I've made classes boring in that way. Made a punch for me. Yeah. That's not all it's about. Nope. Be effective.

Starting point is 01:54:41 Super common, bro. Just so you know, super common. But you're going to do great. The fact that you care and you want to get You care everything. Yeah, and any suggestions on turn that shit off I mean, that's the reason why I went the direction I went with the advice is because if it is something that like me My insecurity with the money thing. It's something that I had to work on internally It's not like there's not the words. It's not like, oh, I was missing the words

Starting point is 01:55:06 or I need to say something differently as much as, I needed to work internally on that insecurity. I felt that I needed to prove to people. And so if you have that, that's where to go. Go work on that. But first, your spot on it was a lot of justification or like, I promised I earned this job. That's right.

Starting point is 01:55:26 Yeah, that's right. You don't need to play well, especially if you've already accepted you. And by the way, of course, man, you're with a bunch of seniors, older people that have been through life and probably some of them are really smart, intelligent, successful, and all these things like that. And so here comes this young guy fresh out of college.

Starting point is 01:55:41 And you got it, you know, I'm gonna show you, let me show you how smart I am. So with that, but that's a place. They don't, you know what they're thinking? They're know, I'm gonna show you, let me show you how smart I am, so that, but that's a place. They don't, you know what they're thinking? They're thinking, look at this young man, look at the place, oh, I can't wait to do what he's doing and I can't wait to talk to him about

Starting point is 01:55:53 what he's gonna go through in life. That's what they're thinking. So those are conversations you need to have with them. Yeah. All right. I agree. You got it. But not Drew.

Starting point is 01:56:04 Thanks Drew. We're good to be the way to redirect, so I appreciate it. I got some. No problem. All right, man agree. You got it. But not, Drew. Thanks, Drew. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good.

Starting point is 01:56:12 We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good.

Starting point is 01:56:20 We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're advice, I used to get all the time. It was amazing. Oh, what was it like when you first moved to the area and I just when we would told me what the area was like and what real estate was like and I was like, Oh my God, I was so amazing and they show up. And then we would

Starting point is 01:56:33 work out while having these incredible conversations. You know, there are those occasional clients that want to know all those details, but they're rare. It's rare. Most clients could give a shit. They just got gotta be effective and help them adopt the behaviors. And a lot of people don't care about, you know, how the, the patella glides over the femur and whatever, they don't give a shit. It's like, oh, my knee hurts because of this.

Starting point is 01:56:57 Cool. Show me what to do. Yeah, I'm glad he didn't get insulted by that. Sometimes that's a hard one for me to have because I tell you what, you tell the PhD that especially coming from my position where you're more read than I am and I'm telling you you're insecure.

Starting point is 01:57:12 That fucking stinks sometimes for a lot of these people. But that's the truth, that's what that is. That's what you're getting in your own way because you feel this need that you need to prove to yourself to these people and I get it because I have my own insecurities, my own issues, but it's internal work. It's not like the words. It's not, you have to work on it.

Starting point is 01:57:29 Funny story too. I never forget I had this surgeon that I trained. He was this really crusty old. And we ended up becoming great friends. His wife hired me and she told me, she warned me. She said, so and so is, he's crusty. He's good of a barn. And he's gonna be, I was gonna be whatever jerk,

Starting point is 01:57:46 and this, you know, but he's a nice guy. Trust me, the whole deal. And so I talked to him, normal, and I did exercise with him. I'll never forget he wanted to test my knowledge. And I don't remember what he said exactly, but he said something very technical and medical. And I answered back, very nonchalant.

Starting point is 01:58:02 And I remember his face, like he looked at me and he said, how did you know that? And I said, well, you think I, how do you think I got to do what I'm doing? And then that was it, I earned his respect. But it wasn't me asserting myself, because I would have come across. And let me tell you that, and that he's actually,

Starting point is 01:58:14 especially with another intelligent person, then it turns into a competition, pissing competition that you normally eventually will lose. And so, and that, by the way, is one of the most beautiful things and attractive qualities that you can find in another person is talk to somebody and you think you assume that they're not that intelligent. And then as you start to pull layers back or dig deeper, you realize, like, oh, shit,

Starting point is 01:58:36 this motherfucker knows what he's talking about. Like that's so impressive versus the kid or the person who leads with, it's just like the money thing. Like it's, you know what's really powerful. You ever meet somebody and you don't even know they're super rich. And you get to like them. And then you start asking them questions

Starting point is 01:58:49 and you find out. And then it's impressive. Versus the guy who says, I did this. And I did that. That's like, that everybody turned is turned off by that character versus if you were asking me those questions. And then I was like, oh yeah, by the way,

Starting point is 01:59:00 I've done this and I've done that. And they're like, oh shit. And then now you're more receptive to hear. I had a climbing one. I had a client that drove a truck with 200,000,000 miles beat up truck or whatever he'd show up in a train. And after a year, he invited me over for lunch and I went to his house and it was the biggest house I'd ever seen.

Starting point is 01:59:18 It was a mansion and I respected him so much because he had no idea. I just knew he was this nice guy that worked with me and hired me. And it was, in say, was totally that experience. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free fitness and health guides. They're free and they're awesome. You can also find us on social media. Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin.

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