Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2174: How to Fit In Workouts With a Packed Schedule, Tips for Breaking Through a Plateau, Ways to Work Out as a Family & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: September 30, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Obesity is the smoke. The fire is a LACK of muscle. (1:56) The LMNT difference. (10:30) Disturbing news for Ukrainian parents. (12:55) Blue zone fraud? (18:58) Some fascinating facts about Hong Kong. (22:20) The future implications of the United Auto Workers (UAW) strike. (27:38) An art major failure. (38:21) Maximus is the ultimate negotiator. (45:02) The value and importance of free play for children. (46:42) Pumpkin Spice is back with Organifi! (53:17) Shout out to Rochelle De La Paz. (54:26) #ListenerLive question #1 - What would be the best MAPS program to start if I have limited time constraints and equipment? (56:36) #ListenerLive question #2 - At what point or how many weeks should I be concerned if I’m not able to increase volume? (1:11:29) #ListenerLive question #3 - What is the best approach to transition from a purely endurance-based goal to a pure strength-based goal? (1:24:03) #ListenerLive question #4 – Any advice for bringing the younger generation into strength training and how I can use your content to inspire them? (1:32:55) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** September Promotion: MAPS Symmetry | RGB Bundle 50% off! **Code SEPTEMBER50 at checkout** Mind Pump #1057: How To Get Stronger For Fat Loss & Muscle Building Strength Of Grip Declines In Young Adults It's Time to End the War on Salt Zelensky Asks Marina Abramovic to Help Rebuild Ukrainian Schools Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones – Netflix Are “Blue Zones” Simply Just Pension Fraud?! In a city famous for pork and poultry, why are Hong Kongers eating so much beef? Boxed in: life inside the 'coffin cubicles' of Hong Kong – in pictures Everything you need to know to feel smart about the UAW strike Palm Springs AIDS memorial sculpture to be changed because residents say it looks like a giant anus New Research Shows Why Kids Need Play for Mental Health Visit Hiya for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #2112: Is 15 Minutes Enough Time For An Effective Workout? Mind Pump #1707: The Top 5 Reasons You Are Not Recovering MAPS Suspension Training   Visit Kreatures of Habit: Meal One for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (@drgabriellelyon) Instagram Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Christopher M. Naghibi (@chrisnaghibi) Instagram Vicki Reynolds (@vicki__reynolds) Instagram Faded Barber Shop (@fadedbarbershop) Instagram

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from obesity. Actually, the problem is much more complicated. We don't have enough muscle. It turns out obesity is the smoke. The fire is lack of muscle. When you look at the studies on building muscle, it's so protective that even if you're obese and you build some muscle, you have better protective effects than just losing body fat. It turns out the problem isn't what we thought it was. I love this. Was this an inspire from our home girl? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

From Dr. Lyon. Great, great conversation. You know what? Maybe also think about this is like, you know, we have that sodium conversation often. And they had those studies showing how sodium is connected to heart disease and strokes and all that stuff. They just huge made an analysis and they found that sodium is not connected to any of those things.

What it was was when people cut sodium out, what they often did is cut out heavily processed foods. So it just came along for the ride, type of deal. And that made me think about our conversation with Dr. Gabriel Lyon. And I remember some of the studies that I looked up when I wrote the resistance training revolution. And it showed like significant improvements

in insulin sensitivity in like severely obese people who just built muscle, they didn't even lose weight. Yeah, you've talked about that before. And there's also people with, you know, there's a significant minority. It's not a majority, but significant minority of people who get heart disease and strokes who aren't obese at all. And then there's that myth that obese people have more muscle in their body, but we know that they actually suffer from sarcopenia, which is muscle loss. So it's actually, and then again, one more thing to add,

strength, testing your strength will predict all cause mortality better than almost any of your single metric. So it's the lack of muscle that's causing the problem. BCC is like the symptom, right? Yes. But at the same point, yeah, we're looking at it wrong. We need more muscle to be more protective and fight against muscle. Well, even us, we're guilty.

I actually, you know, after talking to her and then here and you say that right now, it's kind of crazy that we actually didn't think to position it that way in the first place. Yeah. Yeah. Since we already position things like where we talk about adding food to someone's diet, right? Like that's already something. We were on the right track. Right. Like what we were trying to accomplish is it exactly in line with that.

And, uh, shame on us for not thinking to communicate it that way, because it's such a better way to communicate it instead of telling people, oh, you're fat. You need to lose weight or obesity is such a problem. It's like, no, let's just, let's build some muscle because that's what we do with our clients. And so if we can change the narrative around, it's less about being too fat and it's more about being under muscle. Way more of a clear focus of like that's that's the problem. Let's like just completely go in that

direction. Well, we've said this many times. Muscle is expensive tissue burns a lot of calories. So fast metabolism. It's a storage vessel for glycogen. What does glycogen come from? Carbohydrates and sugars. So you want to improve insulin sensitivity. You want to get better utilization of sugars, then build some muscle. Now you have some place to put it. Muscle also puts out anti-inflammatory chemicals. It's good for your brain.

It protects you against cancer. It's extremely anti-cancer to have muscle. Now of course, I know what people are like, what about bodybuilders and, look, stop looking at the extremes. Any extreme physical pursuit, as always, you're always trading longevity. We're talking about the average person.

The average person today, look, if you look at studies now, a 20 something, you're all thinking, it was like a 26 year old male today, has the grip strength of a 65 year old in 1986, 1986 1986 something like that. Like how weak have we gotten where a 20 something year old is as strong as a 60 something year old, you know, 35 years ago. Yeah, it's insane. That loss of muscle is what's it's fueling the

the epidemic with Alzheimer's and dementia because we know that building muscle the process of building muscle seems to process of building muscle seems to have some of the most profound effects there. It helps with, like I said, insulin sensitivity, so diabetes. It speeds up into albosam, so it makes what you eat less damaging because you can burn off the calories. Again, anti-cancer. We've been going about this all wrong. And then when you look at the old narrative, which is lose weight, lose weight, when you look at the data, people, when they try to lose weight by just cutting calories, and then if they throw what people tend to do, it's cardio at it, almost half the weight is muscle, they lose. So they end up, they do a little better, but then they rebound, or they do

a little better, but they can be doing a lot better if they just focused on the right things. We figured this out in our career, that let's get this person strong, let's get them to build muscle, then the fat loss becomes much easier, but it really, it's more like we see smoke, we think the smoke is the problem. There's a fire that everybody's ignoring.

It just parallels our Western approach to pretty much everything, you know? It's like, we see a problem, let's fix it as quick as possible instead of looking at the root. And maybe it's going to take a bit more work to get to a place where it's a sustainable, healthier place. But, you know, we've always taken that immediate pill, like something to provide relief or some, you know, lower the symptoms immediately.

Have you seen recent charts on that, we've been talking about this for years now, right? This has been a conversation that we've had more than once. And what I haven't seen, which would be really interesting is, okay, you have that, you said what, from the 60s, a woman, or a woman in her 60s since when? Oh man. And what year?

1986, I believe. So 1965 year old, 1986 has the grip strength of like a 20. So, okay, there you go. So, if you were to graph that, are we still on a steady decline, or is it starting to slow up, like we're getting, we're getting as weak as you almost possibly can

by going to a lower. Okay, so that support that I think is really fascinating is, obviously that's already dramatic as it is, and it's, is it keeping up with that pace, because obviously that's already dramatic as it is, and it's keeping up with that pace, because if that's the case within five years, it'll already be dramatic again. Well, I mean, muscle is adaptive, it's extremely adaptive, because it's expensive tissue,

your body will get rid of it if it doesn't think it needs it. So I'll ask you a question. Are, do you think kids are as active today as they were 20 years ago? Of course not. For 10 years ago. Yeah. So they're not telling their body, we need strength, we need muscle.

So they're weaker, they're just weaker. And then a doctor, Gabrielle Lyne, even explained muscle quality. She's like, you can have muscle, but it can also be bad quality. Just like when you have a rib eye versus a filet, fit strong muscle looks very different. And I didn't know this. She illuminated this, which is, we don't have good ways to measure quality muscle or we do, but we don't use them.

Even dexter sands don't show this. They just show lean body mass, which can be water, glycogen, fat with fatty deposits in it, and we won't necessarily see that. So we're looking in the wrong place. I mean, to put it plainly, if we had a magic wand, and I could either make everybody in America

lose 10 pounds of body fat or gain 10 pounds of muscle. Before better off gain 10 pounds of muscle. That it would be way more effective across the board. 10 pound muscle gain versus a 10 pound fat loss. We would see health metrics dramatically. Especially if you consider the percentage of people that actually lose 10 pounds, how much is muscle and how much is fat. So they can be like that even. If you could put 10

pounds of muscle on somebody or even lose just 20 pounds on the scale, I'd still say you're still better off considering that most people that drop weight, like, end of it when we muscle. Yeah, they drop just as much as muscle on the way, which would potentially make them a weaker, just as fat version of themselves, by even losing 10 pounds on this scale. So there's another metric that they've used even, because the hand grip put test is the easiest one. And really, there's nothing special about hand strength.

It's just a proxies for overrope. Yeah, just showing over, it basically will relate to overall body strength. But another one that they've done is, can you get up off the floor without having hold on to something, which is also another way to show overall body strength. But another one that they've done is, can you get up off the floor without having to hold on to something, which is also another way to show overall body strength, which, and they predict all cause of mortality with that as well. It's really crazy, but when you think about it,

the way that we approached our training in the back half of our career when we knew what we were doing, that's exactly what we all figured out on our own. Because, for 10 years, I trained people, I was just, oh man, it was back and forth up and down. I can't figure this out. What's going on? Is it their lack of discipline?

Is it my approach? What's going on? The back half, I was like, I'm gonna get them strong. I'm gonna get them to build muscle and then everything else fell into place. I would have clients who would lose no weight on the scale, go get a checkup, come back and be like, oh my God, all these numbers are so much better

and I'm still overweight, how's this possible? I'm like, well, I mean, you built muscle and I think that that's probably making the biggest impact. Pretty wild. Anyway, back to the sodium one, I gotta read you guys that meta-analysis because that one sparked the conversation I just had, but check this out.

They did a meta-analysis of seven studies which involve over 6,000 subjects. This was the American Journal of Hypertension. No evidence that cutting salt and take reduces the risk of heart attack, strokes, or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. And then in the Journal of American Medical Association, they reported that the less sodium

that study subjects excreted in the urine, which is a measure of prior consumption. So people who had less sodium had a greater risk of dying from heart disease. We told that one, we totally messed up. Oh, we got that right. Completely, yeah, totally. Which is why I think a company like element,

element T is crushing right now. I think people are, are, they had no idea they're deficient. They feel better. Yeah. They're drinking this thousand milligrams of sodium in their water. And they're like, oh my god, I feel so much better with the hell's going on here.

Well, especially our population of people, right? The people that listen to this podcast. Yeah. If you listen to this podcast, most likely, you're least attempting to eat healthier, be a healthier person, eat whole food, since that's something that we present all the time. There's a high likely chance that you're probably under-consuming. And even if you're not under, like, say the RDA, but you would benefit from doubling where it's currently at because you're eating whole foods,

right? It's so funny, because it explains keto fluid, we mentioned, some of these symptoms of when you alter your diet and remove a lot of these like prepackaged foods and all that kind of stuff that has like a ton of like preservatives and salt in them. For me it was it was the headaches like you know supplementing with salt. They totally helped relieve a lot of the headaches. Yeah headaches remind you. Yeah that's how I know. Yeah. So I we ran out of, element T because they hadn't shipped us, and we just got

some, but we didn't have any for a few. So Jessica and I haven't been drinking it. I can tell. Oh, yeah, dude. I actually, I actually purposefully got some, like potato chips and some stuff with sodium and we ate them because otherwise we don't eat, I mean, we don't eat processed food then. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then we also eat relatively low carb, and both of us could feel the difference. I'm like, I don't feel as much energy and she gets headaches like you. So we did that, boom, zap it, got rid of it right away. Yeah, it works. Anyway, I've been waiting to bring this up. Okay, it's here.

I got something to bring up, bro. This is almost like, I feel like, you know how they said there was that conspiracy theory that the large Hadron collider like pushed us into another dimension Right now we're in a weird alternate universe kind of bumped us into an alternate I feel like it sometimes This made me really feel like it. Did you see I know you saw this. I don't know if Adam even knows who this is Did you guys see who you crane made their ambassador of their schooling system? Yeah? made their ambassador of their schooling system. Yeah.

I did not. I did not see this. No, I did not. Do you know her name is Marina? How do you say her last name? Abraavik? You crane did? Abraavik.

You crane? Oh, Marina. Abrahmavik. Can you look up Marina Abrahmavik? And then just click on images. Okay, so that's all you got to do. Oh, you got to stop. That makes me nervous.

Oh, you got to Google is spirit cooking in Hollywood. She's a famous, she's an artist, but she's a Satan got to do. Oh, you got to get a stop. That makes me nervous. We got a Google is spirit cooking in Hollywood. She's a famous, she's an artist, but she's a Satanist. Yeah. And she's trying to do that. She's from Ukraine in a Satanist. What does she have to do with Hollywood? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, she's, she's, she's gross parties for the Hollywood.

Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, I thought she was. They'll eat like food off of models and things and people. No, no, spirit cooking. Spirit cooking is with blood, semen and I don't know what else. They make you into a human liquids and things to people of the parties. Yeah, and apparently she like,

will take celebrities and like convert them into their weird religion. Like she's weird. She did, I think she got famous by doing this one when she was younger, I want to say in the 70s, where she did this art display, where she had a sign and it said, do anything you want to me. Isn't that what she did? That was her right?

I think so. And people lined up and they slowly got worse and worse to where people were cutting her skin. Yeah, it was like nice and then they got us close up her And she just stood there like and that's how she became famous through that art Yeah, like people would like doing like okay, what remind me? What is the position that we're giving her? Not us Ukraine made her the ambassador of their schools Yeah, other their schools. Just like come on, dude. Yeah, dude.

Like what, what's happening? When they talk about like the Satan, Satanic cabal of Hollywood or the elites or the pedophile rings and all that stuff, she's always implicated. Yeah. She's always like pizza gate, remember that? That whole deal.

She's always like a part of it. And you crane literally just made her. She ties the Aleister Crowley and like a lot of it. And you crane literally just made her the Aleister Crowley and like a lot of this like a past on kind of stuff from that. Well, so I hold this if you're if you're just a normal parent that your kid goes to school over there. That's the best for the school. Like I freaked out our it's just so like how do you Edelite. What are we? How do you reconcile that?

Like how do you explain that and not be somewhat conspiracy? Put spirit cooking after her name suits. Just to see you guys and see. The part that scares me about this too, this is not like, because you know, okay, obviously, we're giving them the news, always trying to kill you into the dollars

to make things, you know, exaggerate things, but this is like, you know what I mean, it's not like she did one time or it's. But this is like, you know, I mean, it's not like she did one time or it's like, this is like everything you see right now that Doug's pulling up is all connected to this shit. Yeah, bro.

She, uh, what the? Yeah. She's weird. It's just disturbing. It's disturbing visual. She call herself an artist all she wants, but I mean, it's, it's just like, well, so the way it related the human beings,

there was this, this conspiracy theory before this. What are those bloody limbs that you yeah, yeah, yeah, is that what they are like arms and legs? Yeah, a lot of the the simple, the image of me stuff of like music videos and all that, like she's helped. Yeah, like like very fame. Okay, look at that picture right there with the circle of people around her. That's an actual dinner with celebrities. Yeah. Do you see that right there?

Yeah, and they're like sort of pretending to eat off this person. No, it's actually eat their body parts. So, she's had dinner with some of the most famous, most powerful people. Okay, like politicians, celebrities, and they'll do weird shit. Anyway, there was this conspiracy theory that, look at that dinner with the head on it. There was a conspiracy theory that Ukraine was like the center of the worldwide sex trafficking network, especially with children.

They said, this is what Ukraine is, whatever. And everybody's like, that's stupid conspiracy theory. And then she's the ambassador for the schools. What? Yeah, I mean, and this is where like half of the people that the audience are just gonna be like, well, I'm out, you know, like this is just a beyond. But it's like, it's real.

So now explain it to me. Explain it to me like the thought process of these like leaders of like putting somebody in that kind of position. Why would they do that? Why is there a incentive? Where's their incentive? She's connected to everybody. I don't know. It's just it's absurd.

We are giving them a lot of money. A lot of money. Doug, look up. Just click on an article on spirit cooking so we can look at the ingredients. Well, I don't want to see no more of this. Yeah, interesting point on this. So try to find,

whenever you guys bring up these types of topics, I try to find, you know, different media outlets that cover it. And it was very hard to find. It was kind of hidden in my opinion, but in some places that I did find it like telegraph and some others that are more well known. I went to the page and the page was removed.

Wow. Interesting. Wow. Scrub in the internet now. Okay, so for past dealings. Yeah, does that tell you the ingredients there, Doug? I believe so. Mix fresh milk from the breast with fresh milk of the sperm.

Drink on earthquake nights. Some of the other ones, let's see here. With a sharp knife cut deeply into the middle finger of the left hand eat the pain Andrew it's been a long time since you've been to one of these right? Bring me grow On this conspiracy then I'm gonna bring up so I brought some I wanted to bring something on a note Don't you like this one actually it's not like there. It's like damn it I try and bring good conspiracy stuff.

It's really to health and fitness. I'm not gonna sleep tonight. I got you right here. I know. I actually heard this. I saw it on Rob Wolves page. Did it just a small Google search just to like, little small fact check, not like a deep,

because I'd rather do it with you guys and actually have the discussion because I thought was really interesting. I shared that documentary recently, the 100 Years One, the Blue Zone one. Yeah. I didn't know that most of that stuff is become like discredited because there is, and you could Google Blue Zone fraud.

Oh, because of the pensions. Yes. I know. I've heard of this. I did not know this. A lot of people lied about their ages like you get pensions They're not really hundred like like 85 So yes, so supposedly there's quite a bit of this in these areas and so it's I guess it just

Discredits a lot of all the stuff that everybody starts to tout. The blues are. I'll tell you what, if you go, I think that they are very healthy in some of these places, for sure, in their lifestyle. I don't think there's like a silver bullet. Like, it's because they eat this like purple potato. No, of course not, but still, I mean,

the age is the most important part of this book. I know they cut the one, I don't know if it's a tribe or whatever, that didn't really keep good track. Like, and that was the whole thing. Like, it was kind of like shaky, whether or not they really were like a hundred or not. Well, look at the seventh day Adventist. They have a long life, and they're,

went in Loma Linda, California. Yeah. But I mean, you have to look at what they have in common. Not, there isn't a silver bullet. What are they all having in common? They all don't overeat. They all move a lot. They have really tight, so this is all so-

I know, but so I mean, a great, a great, a great, but- The all that goes out the window if they're all 80. Right. So if it's proving that they don't have a lot of it, they're all 80. Lifespan, yeah. Yeah, so what are we doing? So it's not really that we're just highlighting.

It's a matter of what they have in common because this people this main thing that is people to be this special is how long they live and their age is well, you still have higher life expectancies in areas that do stuff like that. So actually, okay, so better, okay, so better, okay, to that point, so I saw Rob with talking to it briefly and he was talking about the things that you can find in Hong Kong. Yes. And he says, that is like real living data right now. Hong Kong has a very long life.

Yeah, that's the highest meat consumption of the world for a single person. That's what he's talking about is like, you know, so, because what you have right here is like with the blue zone stuff, you'll have somebody who's a pescatarian trying cherry pick stuff, you'll have a vegan trying cherry pick stuff

and then attached to like, oh, see, these people that live long, that's why. And the line in Sardinia, it's so high. Right, right. So you have all these bias groups that try and grab one of the blue zones to justify whatever, you know, eating habits that they are ideology they subscribe to.

And he was like, basically, a lot of that stuff is faulty from just because it's been, because of the people lying about their age. So he says, look at Hong Kong and what's going on there. He goes, that's probably the most accurate real-time data when it comes to longevity and the way they eat. And so that was the example. Yeah, they have the highest meat consumption per capita

in the world as Hong Kong. What is the meat consumption Hong Kong per capita dog? And then maybe we can compare that to the highest meat consumption per capita in the world is Hong Kong. What is that? What is the meat consumption Hong Kong per capita dog? And then maybe we can compare that to the US. I had no idea. I didn't know they ate that much meat in Hong Kong. Yeah, that's true. I didn't either. I wouldn't have guessed that.

I didn't know that. Yeah, that's why I thought that was interesting. Yeah, but I did read about that a while ago. Oh, you did about the suit. I didn't feel threatened by that somehow. Yeah. Well, look, I know it, listen, these countries are all from the world.

They're all from challenge, you know? They offer these pensions and then they report you if they report your birthday and it's kind of weird. Like, so I have family members whose birthday on their birth certificates different than their actual birthday because you were born at home. You didn't bring the baby to go register them for like days. So it's like they had two birthdays.

This is like my dad's generation. It wasn't even that long ago. Wow, equivalent to two pieces of 10-ounce steak a day. Wow, that's a pro. That's like legit. They eat a lot. Are they really active over there? They must be. Yeah, look at that. That is four times the UK's average daily consumption. Wow, that's crazy. Well, that's a big, big serving. You know that Milton Friedman talked a lot about Hong Kong because it was one of the best examples of what happens when a place opens up, because Hong Kong,

all they have is a port. They don't have any natural resources or anything else. And they went full on, at one point, one of the freest markets in the world. Hong Kong went from third world country to superpower. Well, we have that same, in a very short, pretty good time. We have that same example now in India, right?

That's, was that what? India, India was not, and then that's still, Well, there's still not super free market, but they're much more, and they're definitely lifting themselves out. Oh, I thought they were. They're not, they're not free market.

There's still, they, no, they're free market. They're considered, you know considered democratic and free market, but Hong Kong went real like, Oh, I thought that same thing. I swear in Arthur Brooks's pursuit, they're liberalizing or freeing up their markets for sure. Much more than they were, let's say, 30 years ago.

And that's made a big difference. But yeah, like I said, with Hong Kong, it went like from literally third world to super power and very, very short period of time. And like it's no natural resources, all they have is a port. It's kind of cool. But that's cool about the meat.

I had no idea. I kind of want to go there now. You've been there, right Doug? I have been there. Have you heard of their coffin apartments? So they have a little. Are there the ones that move and stuff? No, they're just like little rooms.

You just sleep in it. Yes, and they're very, very tiny. So either there or China has the ones that move and stuff? No, they're just like little rooms. You just sleep in it. Yes, and they're very, very tiny. So either there or China has the ones that are these apartments that are like minimalist apartments and like the middle wall slides out, turns into a bedroom and then they pull out. You can rearrange the whole room. Yeah, yeah, you can like.

Is that cause real estate? It's so expensive to live in bed, that's why. It's one of the most expensive places in the world to live. But I mean, this is like a room. See this picture. I mean, you live in an actual box. These are, they call them pop pop. And he's laying down.

That's, you can't even stand up. Yeah, I mean, it's just like ridiculous. What? Yeah, I exist. That's real? That's real. Like there's hundreds of thousands of people who live in little pieces like that.

I mean, you obvious, oh my God, you're trapped right there. That's the thing about it. Yeah, it's giving me the heavies. Yeah that. I mean, you obvious, oh my gosh, you're twice right there. It's a perfect thing about it. Yeah, it's giving me the heavies. Yeah. It's, you know what? You just don't go to your room, so you go to bed, I guess. Yeah, that's it.

You work, you do whatever your job is, you come home. You just sit outside, like, okay, guys, I'm going to bed. Yeah. And then you go lay down. I mean, everything is just like a little closet. Essentially. Oh, look at that one, Justin. You guys thought it wasn't it.

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. I? I wonder what's the average rent in Hong Kong? You guys might guess. If I had a guess. What do you think is more expensive Hong Kong or Silicon Valley?

I'm guessing Hong Kong. Really? Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean, if Silicon Valley's living like that, I would get a gift. But also remember that the, like Silicon Valley, the average income in California is like one

of the highest in the world too. So you figure like it's, I would still guess so come by I'm gonna go with Silicon Valley still being more average Monthly for studio apartment Hong Kong is 1800 2800. Yeah, go to now go to the Bay Area. Yeah Barrier is more than that. It's gotta be yeah I mean, it's still a lot like that though for two bedroom apartment What it is is it's that high and And then I would imagine like the medium income

is lower over that, right? So that I would say that to have as high of prices as Silicon Valley with a medium income. Yeah, super inflated out here for sure. Wow. That's a lot though. That's, that's, you know, for people. So no one do they have coffee to drink?

Here you are. Are you following? Since we're talking about, yeah, as much as $1,800, I believe. For a coffin? Oh, let me see. Wow. So way, dude. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Hell no. Wow. The equivalent of C is it's $4,200 Hong Kong dollars a month. Yeah. Anyway, since we're talking about the economy, are you following what's going on with the strikes? With the, you're not. Oh, yeah. $2,400 a month for one of these little boxes.

Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah, okay. Now that400 a month for one of these little boxes. Wow. Oh my God. Yeah, okay, now that's worse. That's way worse than silver. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you that. I'm gonna tell you that. You're about to find something way better. But you're date over.

Basically half time sex, right? How do I fit in here, which lay on me? What if you're just gonna netflix and see what happens? Yeah, I mean, you know it's a closed deal though, at the beginning to come home. Yeah, it's like, come on, it's like game over. She's gonna, she's getting in my bed. You know what I'm saying?

Oh my God, I'm getting back here. Hey, you wanna come over my house like, I she's gonna get in my bed What a house like She says yeah We're back in a sit We'll get creative. Yeah, let's hug each other. Yeah, Doug are you paying attention to what's going on with the cars with the the strike Oh, that's right. Yeah, I heard about. Oh, you guys understand that this, this, this, they're going to make Tesla explode. This is going to have massive implications on our, on our economy. You're talking about the amount of, amount of jobs that are on strike right now and what that's going to do to the car market and what the car market is to our economy. This will, this is going to shake things

up. I think more than a lot of people will. And it's going to make companies like Tesla explode. Yeah. This Tesla explode. Yeah. Because Tesla is not union. So I'm completely oblivious, what's happening? The three biggest largest... I'm carcin' automakers. Yeah, GMC, Chrysler, and Ford. All, this is the first time in history, by the way.

All three have gone on strike at the same time. Did you see what they're requesting? Yeah, they want four day work weeks, they want a 36% increase over four years. And so five weeks of vacation. Yeah, yes, like they want a guaranteed pension. So basically let's make ourselves because non-competitive in the temporary.

And the temporary, this is going to drive things up again. So if you thought the car thing was like, was crazy in beginning of COVID, we're gonna see that. Talk about cutting off your nose despite your face, though. These guys need to re, this is exactly why.

They know they're around. So here's what's gonna have. This is my prediction on what's, okay, you're, and you're exactly where my head is at, is that cell is, what you're going to do is, you're gonna force the arm

of these three massive companies to go, okay, they want all these things, I guess we're gonna have to double and triple down on automation. Yeah, exactly. And they're gonna put more money into AI. Yeah, it'll be worth it. It'll be worth the cost.

And you're making it worth it because of this much of a demand. Yeah, cause here's how they do them. It's very simple math. We pay workers this much, it's gonna cost us. This big amount to automate everything, but then if we do that over the course of 30 years where this person's gonna be employed

plus a guarantee pension, it's gonna save us a lot of money, we're gonna have to automate. It's gonna make the, and you know what, this is the thing that I worry about, is that the US automakers are gonna become uncompetitive, start to tank,

who do you think is going to be a model? Well, so the next question is, will we see in the first time in history where the government steps into a union debate like that? Like they have the government- It makes up the union? Well, or comes in and backs up the union. And like you don't know what could,

and supposedly Biden's a big supporter of unions, right? So there's a possibility that he could come in and enforce something, which normally government would stay out of any sort of. How they force it. Yeah, maybe how they're the government. No, I know that, but what I mean is, okay, so they force, let's say they force the war,

or they're gonna shut them down. They force the race up to pay. To pay more, ford then raises up prices. Ford's like we're losing money We're not competitive against Toyota Honda Whatever Ford's like hey government. We need help then they bail out then they bail out Yeah, I mean you have to if the government makes you do that right? Yeah, I mean that's the way that they're insurance

The way that they're gonna get bailed out is there gonna be and that it's very easy for a politician to say We need to step in and save 300,000 jobs. So the more and more, okay, I have my friends. So I'm going to subsidize cars. I have people like my buddy, Chris Nagibi, who's like, you know, him and I talk all the time about this stuff and he's always like telling me, like, it's coming, it's coming, right? I'm in the camp now and if you go back far enough

on the show, you heard me, like, ah, yeah, we're going to, this thing's going to come down soon. I don't know, I don't know if we're, I think we're actually at an unprecedented time. I think that things are shifting and we'll talk about this 30, 40 years from now as the time when most people could still afford a car or a lot of people could still afford a house and that's just not gonna be a thing. It's gonna, we're already moving this direction of the young generation, Uber's, how many kids still don't get their license

because they're just, it's convenient to Uber and you're gonna put the car prices so, you're gonna have to be rich to own a car and be rich to own a house. And I think that this idea that it's just, the bubble's gonna burst and it's gonna come all the way back down, it's not moving like that. Yeah, it's almost like they're trying to destroy the middle class

and make everybody a lower class and then have a small other class. That's right. It's all we are doing is just creating a massive crash. It's really scary, especially when you think about our kids, like that are going to enter into this time. Because cars are already very expensive.

Crazy. Crazy. I told you that, remember when I brought up the, you guys don't do average car payment is right now? Yeah. Over $700. That's going up. Especially with banks and interest rates right now.

I get that number was the number I gave you guys almost like a year ago. So here's the, I guarantee that number's higher now. Here's the other thing that they may do. You know, interest rates are 8% now in a third year. Here's the other thing that they may do. They may either a bail out the auto companies to keep them to keep their prices competitive, or here's the other thing, which actually is probably

more likely to be- I mean, government hates Tesla, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like that where they subsidize it, and they hook up like they do. Well, no, I'm thinking what they might do, just to, this might even be more popular politically, is to not do that and rather have tariffs on other car makers so that

they all have to pay a lot of money. So now all cars are expensive. And that's an easier sell politically. You know? No, we got to stop these foreign automakers from out selling or whatever. We got to save American jobs. So we got to force these other auto companies to charge more. Type of deal.

So I think you're right Adam. But I mean, look, where we had it anyway, are we really think about automated, like self-driving cars that you could get on an app? The cost? That's why I think it's going to go that way no matter what. No matter what. Even if cars more expensive.

That's how I feel, too. Like the amount that they have to become, as far as expensive. They're already too expensive in cars. They're going to become so cheap, it would be a no-brainer not to do those other ways. Because those other ways are becoming more and more popular for the young generation below us. And that's with a human driver.

An automated car, let's say that goes and parks itself at a charging station, picks you up when you hit an app, the cost of that, I mean, I've seen the numbers on what they estimate this for. It's like nothing in comparison to even a cheap car paying for gas, tires, insurance, having to park it. Now, you got your garage is a place for your car, whereas you can make it for something else. I mean, I don't think anybody's gonna know. I think the future looks like this with the cars is, you know how Apple has got everybody on like this,

you know, basically you're always paying a monthly payment now for a phone, you know what I'm saying? Like, my new one's up, oh I just finished paying off my last one, and the new iPhone comes out and then you just do it, now it adds like 60 bucks a month. That's what cars are gonna be like. You're gonna have like a membership to Ford, or something like that. And it's like, you just pay your monthly fee of $120

or whatever it is, obviously they'll figure out where that number is, right? Give you X amount of miles. That's right. Give you X amount of usage. And I'm sure there'll be packages that are very minimal. So you pay a very little, then there'll be stuff that's unlimited. So I bet you that's what we would. There'll probably be all a cart too.

Does that can imagine getting your car, but hey, you guys want to grab some lunch? Let's get the car that has the food, and then it picks you up and you got food in there. Or let's have our meeting in the car as we go to the whatever. I mean, there's gonna be very creative. And between now and then, what we're gonna see is the,

like, the order. Now, the rich will be all the four, you know, these, you know, the eights. It's like, people, it's like, it's like people on horses now. Only rich people on horses. Yeah, right. Yeah.

That's true, though. It's a regular person. And doing polo on the weekends, you know. Yeah, no, I bet you it's gonna look just like that. And I think that we're moving, I don't think anymore that we're gonna see this massive bubble burst and all sudden house prices are gonna decrease by 50%.

House is gonna come down 50% cars, and they need to to make them reasonable. They have to literally go. Everything will be rent. Yeah, everything will be rent. I mean, I agree with that. I think that's the direct. I think it's going to move that way no matter what.

So we're the world economic foremost. That's where they want it. That's really why. But I tell you though, if we, when we go to automated cars and people don't own cars, that's going to change so much more than people realize. If you just, if you just look at the layout of a city, how much space is dedicated to parking spaces and garages

and places that you avoid because there's no parking or I gotta drive it or whatever, the loss of productivity because of traffic or I'm in my car, I can't do something else. It's gonna radically change things, radically. When you don't have to parking, what parking? It drops me off, it picks me up. You know, I wonder if you're gonna see because the

heart I would imagine it's more difficult to take a city like San Jose and change it to fit that world versus build it a whole new one that's right up the road you know what you're right yeah they're gonna be build these smart cities and then these are gonna be irrelevant at some point they'll exactly know what cities are already designed this way old cities old cities. Yeah, the walk cities old cities Or what we're literally we're gonna work ironically for the future New York city San Francisco. It's perfect for little cars picking up and they drive outside the city to go charge Themselves come into the city when it's time to you you know, whatever. That's what they're gonna like. You think so, that's an interesting thought.

That's an interesting thought. Because I'm thinking that it's more likely that you're gonna get these were suburbs or at. And just we're gonna build. Like, I think I feel like for San Jose, you would go like, we're gonna go to Morgan Hill or San Martín or Gilroy. And we're gonna build an infrastructure

to support this kind of a con. And then that way, it's like, that ain't that far to move all those people and convince them. Maybe sort of like the testing grounds and then they take that model and they recreate or refurbish like these cities that already exist.

What do you guys think people are gonna do with their garages, by the way? That's a lot of, that's a lot of support. Oh, there, well, we already see this. It's common in the Bay Area. I mean, it's an entertainment room or... Yeah, the converting Bay Area. I mean, I mean, I'm in a team at room or the converting room I mean Jason our buddy Jay is his rental property that he has right he lives in Gilroy But he has a place over here in in San Jose that he rents and

They did they like completely that garage. Yeah, it's a good room. I think most people especially when you think about how much room is rent for I know so it's rented out. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, so people will rent that space. I mean, that's really popular too. I was actually looking for garage space in around our area and stuff like that, just like to rent a garage in a park with the cars in there. And a lot of people rent their private.

They have a place like yours that has three car garage like that and they rent. Or here. Yeah, for good money too It's like 240 300 bucks a month just to rent one of your slots. Oh, wow. Yes So by the way for someone like you who's got that may not be using that or wants to like yeah 300 bucks a month, bro Yeah, I mean a lady parker for free if I could drive it I gotta ask you guys okay, so I

I don't know if it's gonna be that. Well, I gotta ask you guys, okay. So I saw another unfortunate sort of arc piece. I don't know how this happens or if there's just not good people around them that can kind of point out the obvious sometimes to people in terms of how things look or end up looking. And it's supposed to be for a serious thing. Because a lot of times it's commemorating somebody that that did something like it's like a Martin Luther King statue or something that's like you know

Really important so there's this statue in in Palm Springs that was supposed to commemorate Was it supposed to be AIDS and like you know the constant battle in the community and like you know It's a very serious subject huge gay community in the community It looks like a giant bottle I'm not even joking. I saw the article. Yes Centric circles okay on the on the on the one side on the backside looks like a blown out like Looks like a blown out balloon knot. I mean what what literally is like just this? Is everybody saying that? I mean, yeah, if you look at it,

like that's the first thing that my husband has. Yeah, like just make like a, like a monarch but thing or whatever you I'm saying. Like just make like one of those. Like you literally made some of this. In community, in the giant but hole. You come up with but hole is it? Okay.

Oh no. Like, did you go see it? Just, no, I didn't actually wanted to like see it. You take a picture of your head and it's a real thing. You get your poop with your head. Please, please, please do that. What? You go through a portal.

What? Such a weird, such a weird thing. I just thought I was gonna be on the article state. At the top, like, scroll up, like what a fail, like, in response to criticism, they don't want to say what it looks like.

Hey, don't you think it's, okay, it's gotta be a massive troll, right? That's a massive troll. You get, you get, like, someone's like, they control that bro. No, that's a massive troll. You get your homies with whoever it is in the city. You're like, hey, you have an artist friend. You're like, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna contract you. It's like a little fist bump behind closed doors and

you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna make it a giant but we'll make it just a little off Just a little off so we can argue that it's not what is this what is this supposed to say? I mean supposed to be did it say because wasn't that that one Martin Luther King with arms It looks like a ring a ring of something dick something ring or what it's like a ring It timeless and during landmark hovering above the ground. That's what it says a potential touchstone for every category of community an Individual struggle. Okay, the part that's finding me it's always the artist that like describes it and all this like eloquent detail of like their thought processing Creating it but the end of the day you just go to look at it. That's the role. That's what I mean. I'm telling you I want to see more pictures of it

Wow, yeah, look at that. Yeah, I'll get you a I want to see more pictures of it. Wow. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, I'll get you a picture of your house. I'll get you a picture of your house. A model for your picture. All you got to do is look at a cat, right? No, walk away.

That's exactly what it is. It does, dude. Hey, you put that in my front yard. How far is that from your house, Justin? Oh, so it's like half an hour, because it's Palm Springs. Mine's more Palm Desert. You're in the suburb, right? Yeah.

So I'm not asked from Lyraville and been there a couple times. Tell me, like Palm Springs minds more Palm Desert. You're in the suburb, right? Yeah. So I'm not asked from here. I've only been there a couple of times. Tell me like Palm Springs versus Palm Springs. It's just a little further. Yeah, it's a little further. There's Le Quinta in Palm Desert. To the desert. Like these are all like suburbs.

So where's the most travel famous place? Palm Springs. Palm Springs is the first, yeah, because that was the first Palm Desert. Palm Desert was after that. The, okay. That's where I lived when I had that. What would you say as somebody who has a place there,

what is the big difference between the two spots? Obviously, it's how it's fucking both. So what's the big difference between the two? Is what have way more shopping and things to do, the other ones just kind of- Palm Springs, like the city. Palm Springs is like kind of iconic in terms of the old style and like, you know, 50s.

Like they had a lot more like of the Hollywood style and 50s. They had a lot more of the Hollywood actors that went through there. So you had Elvis's house, all these kind of cool. But it's like, again, it's a different, it's kind of older, more run down. And then, like, Palm Desert is more, I forget the word, but when they kind of bring in

your holiday gardens, they sort of brought in a lot more of the stars. You know, it was weird living stuff. It was the weirdest place to live because in the winter, obviously everybody goes down there for the winter. Yeah. There's nice, beautiful, poppin' great place. Summer, like more than half the population disappears. So weird. Well, because I think it's weird. One, either if you are there, you can't go outside because it's one-twenty. So you stay inside or you leave the town.

Oh, no, I go to the mall and you walk around the mall. You're like, what? Yes, dead. Dead. It's really strange. There's only a few plays you can go as the mall or like go to a movie or like I'll go to the gym. I've gone down there a few times,

we don't rent during the summer, obviously, because we can't. So, I'll wind up going and like, sometimes around like July or when it gets really hot, like, we don't even try to go in August, because it's just insane. But yeah, like my shoes, if I stayed out long enough, it would melt.

Yeah. And it's like, you're just stepping in like a walking oven. Yeah, it's yes. You know when you open the oven? Yeah. That's what it feels like. But it's not even, it's also bright. Am I wrong?

It's also like the sun. It's very bright and you just like very squeanty. Like new clouds. You're going to get in, so the pool, you got to get in it like 7 a.m. Well, that's it. And then you go to 8 a.m.

And then you're like, I so hot there, the pool is not cool enough afternoon. No, you'll burn. You have to swim just to catch fire. Sure. Go catch fire. Just spontaneously just ignite. Yeah.

It's a yeah. I remember like it started to get hot because I we moved there. Let's see. I got there towards like closer to winter. And then I remember when I started getting the summer, I'd wake up early, right, to go to work. So I'd get up at 6 a.m. 90 degrees.

I was like, what the fuck? 6 a.m. bro. But like winter and spring is so amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's even in the falls a bit cool. But like, yeah, the winter especially, it's like perfect. But in Palm Springs, so I'm assuming,

so there's a street or an area on Palm Springs that's like the gay area, is that where that is? Yeah, that's a good question. I'm assuming so there's a street or an area on Palm Springs that they like the gay area Is that where that is? Yeah, it's a good question. I don't know exactly where that is I remember okay, specifically because one of my trainers I'm like oh and I first got there. I'm like show me Palm Springs So he's taking me through he's like, oh, this is the yeah, this is the gay part of Palm Springs And I mean you could tell because the stores there was a store called gay mart

Yes, yeah, there's just what it goes. Yeah, there's like models with, you know, like some scantily clad things on them, just like hugging each other. And like, I was like, I was walking with my boys. I'm like, whoa, look at that. This is festive. Oh, you mean the mannequins?

Yeah, the mannequins of being like certain positions. Oh, we're like, he's been with the boys, or my, or Tomah are kids, right? So my son, I've told you guys before, like the thing is two minutes, right? Everything is two minutes. Yeah, everything's two minutes.

So we've expanded, right? There's, we know a difference between two and five minutes now, like so whatever his fingers can hold up. Mom, two minutes, just two minutes or a, or if he really wants to do something, he'll ask for five minutes or whatever. But it's so funny because it's still the concept of the difference, right? So Katrina is telling him, the him and I are gonna, gonna it's so funny because it's still the concept of the difference,

right? So Katrina is telling him and I are going to get to play some video games before he's getting ready to do something. I remember what we're going to do. And Katrina's like, well, we have to go, we have to do this. So at that. And he's like, mom, just two minutes, just two minutes like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you are he's saying five minutes, mom is saying, no, no, no, two minutes, two minutes. He's like, mom, and she's like negotiating back and forth. And she goes, okay, listen, three minutes. He's like, okay. Yeah. Like it was this huge deal.

Being asked to deal about, you know, two minutes was a five minutes. Katrina gave him an extra minute, you know, I'm saying he was like, okay. He's a deal maker. Yeah. He's a take it. Bro, so funny. You know, say that like he's like, okay, you're like totally happy to. He was like, you can tell he's getting frustrated about the, he wanted it's five minutes. He could choose say no two minutes. She negotiates three. And he's like okay, you're like totally happy to he was like you can tell he's getting frustrated about the

He wanted it's five minutes. It could choose say no two minutes. She negotiates three and he's like okay Is it a funny? Yeah, you guys that video I said you guys showed you guys of my Half-girl so growing so wow Wow, he's doing it. He's touching the stuff Are you touching that no no no no no no no no no no no no she goes What do you cuz she had her folks you turn her phone on to hide it so we can hear it? You know so she can record No, she goes, what do you, because she had her phone on. She turned her phone on. She said hide it so we could hear it, you know, so she could record it. And she's like, what are you doing over there, really? Yes, and he goes, I'm not touching it

because I'm not touching it because I'm not doing it. I'm not touching it. I'm not touching it. Yeah, and he said it like she was the times of the road. Like so guilty. I broke. It's a good time. It's a good time.

No, they're fun right now. No, they're so fun. I got it. Oh, dude, you're just reminded me of a very interesting article I read on children's depression and anxiety and how it's been rising for a while. This is the best explanation that I've heard so far. As to what is going on.

There was a big study looking at what could be the connection between just this rise and anxiety and depression in children and What they got to was that the locusts of control has shifted in children from one being internal to external so locust control means I Am in control of certain things external means I can't control anything everything's just happening and They're saying that kids today have a much higher external locus than they do internal. And so then they further describe what's happened, how that happened. You know what the biggest contributor to that is?

Well, I imagine all this stuff that we've been going through and hearing your parents talk about the pandemic and hearing about all this scary news and like all the riots and all that stuff. That's part of it, but it actually goes deeper than that. Well, it's here. It's not letting kids have free play. Oh, for sure. Like, I don't know if you would ask me how would I have said the Jordan Peterson thing. Yeah, I mean, to me, that's the,

it starts right there because that's such an important piece. If you take that out, you replace it with iPad babysitting, then you add in the fact, parent, like we've seen the most, I saw the most division in my family and friends with everything that happened with COVID and the vaccine and the, and all that. If you are talking about that stuff, like, this is a thing that to Katrina and I too are really careful about. If like one of us, you know, we're adults. So if she brought up something that she saw in the news or a friend said something like that if we start a conversation like that

If Max is in the vicinity like we shut it down like oh tonight. We'll talk about it. Oh, yeah So like we won't even talk about it even though it's not even a fight It's just a calm Conversing about fucking drama like that. I don't want him to even hear about that. There's no reason for him to do the thing about it Yeah, exactly his all he should be worried about is playing and his things that he's into. And so this goes into the free play thing. And basically, and this is totally true. They're saying now, this is true. Parents don't let their kids just go do whatever they want. If kids play, parents are controlling the play. You're playing with this. It's at this time.

It's with this kid. Don't do that. Do this. And so children lose the ability to explore, experience, fail and solve on the wrong. You know what I love about this? That you're bringing this up right now. And so we had some stuff that happened at his max of school already that I was really concerned about, went down there, everything ended up working out good. And I'm very happy about where we're at.

We went to, I told you guys, one of the last weeks, we went to his first open house or whatever. So they have this thing, and I thought it was actually interesting, this is the name of it, but I think it's by the second or third hour is free play. And the kids, they do not dictate anything, they let them choose or whatever thing they want to play. So they can go do art stuff, there's trucks and blocks

to do, there's puzzles, and they call it free play? There's puzzles, like, and they call it free play. It's like every day they have, or free choices what they call it, they call it free choice. And the kids choose whatever it is that they want. Yeah, so as I'm reading this article, they're talking about how like, even kids, even just letting them be bored because they have to learn how to figure out what to do.

Or they ran into problems. When we were kids and we went out to go play, you didn't have a cell phone, you didn't have whatever, somebody punches you in the face, something happens. You had to go all the way home to tell on someone, so we're not gonna do that, you gotta figure it out. And this is why this gives kids an internal locus of control,

because they encounter problems, challenges, they solve it, figure it on their own, it makes them more confident, less anxious, less depressed. Everything's scheduled, everything's monitored, everything's interrupted. No, no, don't do that, make sure you do this, that's dangerous, whatever. And as a result, kids probably get hurt less, I'm sure,

and I'm sure lots of, there's some good effects, but some of the negatives are anxiety, depression, exploding because children are not independent. They're not figuring things out. You can use a short-term effects, there's a lot of terms. The same thing, we can talk about all the time. It's like you gotta take, remove yourself out of the equation, which is the hardest part for a parent.

Yeah, especially when you're seeing a few children. Yeah, they have to learn on their own and they gotta form that. You gotta hope that whatever you, past on and modeled is gonna carry on. Yeah, cause they were trying to connect it to technology. And they said, yeah, but this trend has been going up before technology.

And it's because parents became more and more and more hyper-involved. And everything that came with it. I'm actually surprised where I'm living, like where we've gotten a few of these other parents to be on board with that and allow kids to just roam the neighborhood and go through the forest and hang out and ride bikes

and do things again. Yeah, and they'll scrap, they'll get their knees scraped up, they'll get boo-boo's and everything else. And it's all part of them kind of understanding how to navigate through all the terrain and how to kind of look out for each other or somebody got lost and then they went out to find them on their own.

And it's like, you know, it's kind of nerve-wracking as a parent because you're just like, oh man, I love that. I mean, I look for that in a neighborhood. I mean, one of the things I've told you is, I mean, that's why I picked where I just moved. Yeah, I mean, I love it. I saw kids there, I'm like, see?

I've talked to before about my favorite neighborhood over in Idaho, one of the things I maybe fall in love with it was aside from it being beautiful and all the houses in the area. But there was kids riding bikes in the street and just that you don't see that anymore. It's like you go to neighborhoods and you know there's kids that live there, you know, you've seen it before. But then like in the middle of the day on a Saturday or Sunday, there's like no activity. And when we were that age, it was like,

we literally put cones in the row and we're playing. Roller hockey. Well, nobody knew what we were doing. Mom, I'll be back at six. Okay. Gone. It's basically Lord of the Flies. I'm out in the wild and do what we want.

And yes, there's some dangers with that. But you also developed more complex. A more complex example of over correction. Yeah, crazy. You know, yes, there was abduction of kids, things like that that had happened. And so the whole world freaked out and went the other direction.

Now they're safer today than they ever were, yet they imagine the safety in the 80s, if you had every kid had phones like they do now. Like so much harder to kidnap kids when they got cell phones with trackers on them. You know what I'm saying? Like it's a different world we live in, and yet we're still even more overprotected today

than we were in. I know, I know. It was crazy to read because, especially for someone like me, because I could be very paranoid or whatever. Oh man, fucked up. In lighter news, pumpkin spice is back with organophiles. Oh.

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I bet it'll be good with the egg not toddy. I bet it will go with the egg not. I the I bet it would go go with the egg not a cider, but yeah, you throw a shot of whiskey in that worm drink before you go to bed. Yeah, or spike spikes in egg knock like you do for Christmas egg not right. So I would do that. That would probably be bomb. I haven't had their gold nice sweater ponch on I haven't done the gold juice in a while. I haven't either actually makes me what I have in as funny as that is with the gold before bed before bed. Oh, it's amazing. No, no, and it tastes bomb too. Oh, so good. All right, I got a shout out.

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I've worked out on and off mainly off for the past 10 years, you know, I've hit goals in the past however at the beginning of this year I for the past 10 years, you know, I've hit goals in the past. However, at the beginning of this year, I hit 200 pounds and I was like, okay, well, I don't want to look like this, I don't want to be this, right? So then, for those first six months, I dropped to 20 pounds, put on muscle mass, I was happy, I was confident, it was good. Four weeks, four months after that, I really fell off again, I was like, okay, well,

well, I get, I blame that on the discipline. And then I have limited equipment, I have limited time. So I was like, okay, well, let me start again. But this time time let me look on TikTok, social media, and let me see what I can do to be Getting better results with limited time constraints and limited equipment and then well, I noticed is that My workouts were kind of shoddy. They're constantly changing it up. I was constantly trying to do the next best thing and then I Watch videos really. Oh, are you doing these workouts? And I was like yeah, yeah, you shouldn't and I was constantly trying to do the next best thing and then I watched videos where they were like, oh, are you doing these workouts? And I was like, yeah, yeah, you shouldn't. And I was like, oh, okay, I'm bad. So then I was like, okay, well, then I started listening to you guys throughout the year. And I was like, well, here you have three different guys with three different ideologies, three different methods, but they all have the same goal. So I want to see which maps program would be the best to start with, like I said,

the limited time constraint and the limited equipment. What is your, what is your time to look like? Cause I was reading your question and it says that you, you work a lot of hours. And so that's, I'm assuming that's the reason why you have limited time. What is your, what does your work look like? And then what does your schedule look like? So I work normally between 40 to 100 hours a week. Now for the most part, my start shift is at 6 a.m.

Mostly sometimes. And so I wake up at 3.30 to get into workout from 4 to 5. And then I'll that but that's and right now I'm on a night shift. So I'll wake up around 2 or 3 in the afternoon workout. And again, however this time my start shift is at 5.30. So I got to wake up at 2, work out to 3, get out, shower, change, eat, go to work, 10, 12 hour shifts when I'm lucky. So. Yeah, so you're going to have to modify your training. Two days a week, anabolic, that's something I would probably shoot for. Maybe, but you're going to have to modify it depending on your schedule.

So it might look different because it sounds like your schedule changes quite often. Is that true? Yes, at least three, three months, two months. Oh, okay. Well, that's not too often. You're going to, remember, your workouts are effective when they work within the context of what's happening in your life. So when you're working, you know, long hours,

100 hours a week and you're waking up super early and you're not necessarily doing night shifts, you're gonna have to work out way less versus when you're working 40 hours and you have more time. And that's okay, what'll happen if, consider this, the right amount of exercise will get you the best results. There is no other answer. Okay, so more is not will get you the best results. There is no other answer

Okay, so yeah, so more is not gonna get you there any faster and it's more than what you can tolerate How do I know what I can tolerate or how do I know? What's the right amount you should feel good? You should feel good the whole time if you start to feel run down Poor sleep you're too sore to stiff stiff, too achy, you're probably doing too much. Even if it seems like it's not enough, it's too much. By the way, your job is blue collar. Also, that's on top of all those hours, right?

Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, I do a scaffolding and the refineries. Yeah, you know, here's the other thing too. You don't need as much exercise as the average person because you're exercising all day long with your work. So what are your goals through exercise? What are you trying to accomplish with it?

Honestly, I just, I'm not too focused on the strength aspect. I don't know if that just sounds dumb or whatever, but I just basically want to look, be confident when shirtless or things like that. Because like my wife tells me, because I like to run also on my wife tells me, you should run shirtless and I was like,

I don't think I'm there yet. I like, and maybe it's just a confidence thing when I was like, I can't, like, that's just find that weird. And when I first started working out, I knew like I looked aesthetically pleasing. I looked confident, I felt confident, kind of thing. So honestly, it's just I'm just shooting for aesthetics.

Okay, no more that. Yeah, what is your equipment look like at home? At home, I have the PRX with the bench and a couple of dumbbells at my apartment, I have just the dumbbells and the machine where you can do the lap-foot-ounce and the tricep extensions. Yeah, do you have a barbell with plates? At home I do, but not at work. I work and live five hours apart from each other. You know what I like for you is Maps 15.

I would give them Maps 15 and Al-Bullock and I would toggle between the two. Yeah, and Maps 15 has an option that's just using the suspension trainer and then there's an option with a barbell And so if you're with if you're near the barbell and you can use a barbell do that workout if you only have access to the Suspension trainer the PRX that's that's not a suspension. That's a score. Oh, sorry. sorry. I was thinking about the PRX. Do you have a suspension trainer? What is that? Like a TRX. It's a TRX. Sorry, TRX.

A PRX? No, no, TRX. TRX, so it's like it's a strap that's like with handles on it. Yellow and black. He didn't have to handle. Yeah, if you don't have it, that's okay. The move is MAP Santa Ballac with MAP-15.

That's the move. The move is, we'll give you both those programs. When you are at home and you have the squat rack, follow map centipolic. And then when you are away, follow maps 15. I would toggle between the two of those. You can also take anabolic and cut it in half or just do the dumbbell routine that we have included with it.

So either one of those would be fine. The biggest point I think that has to be made here that Sal said is that you've got to learn to scale back on the weeks that you work a hundred hours. At best I'm having you train one day that week. Like a hundred hours of labor is a lot of physical work. You don't need to be training two, three days of full body routine on those weeks.

The weeks where you only do a 40 hour week and you get some good rest, you could probably train two to three days a week that week of full body routine, which would be a MAPSANabolic. So you've got to learn to kind of, and what's great is if you follow a routine like MAPSANabolic, it's okay.

You don't have, you can pick any day and drop it off because they're full body routines. So if you only get two days a week, it's not like you're gonna throw the body off because you didn't hit a body part because it's a full body routine. So if you only get two days a week, it's not like you're gonna throw the body off because you didn't hit a body part because it's a full body routine. So you hit it one day a week on heavy days of or heavy weeks of work, you hit it three days a week on light days, and then when you fall somewhere in between, you pick two days a week, and then when you have to and you don't have options with your squat rack, you can go to map 15 and or do the dumbbell routine that's part of

anal block. That's how I would I would do this. And what does your sleep look like? Uh, yeah. Or anywhere between like four to six hours. Oh, like right now I slept four or seven right now I'm on four hours, but I'll probably go back to sleep. Yeah, I would say yeah, definitely prioritize sleep, because you're not going to get any progress if your sleep is off. That's going to throw everything off. So even more important with what we're saying.

Look, we never do this. Okay, and I'm not going to do this again. So people call and think I'm going to do this. I'm not going to do it again, but I'm going to do it for you. I want you to have a suspension trainer because it's extremely convenient. It'll allow you to work out anywhere with Maps 15 because there's a suspension trainer option. When we hang up here, we'll have our assistant get your address, we'll send you a pair, and you can hang them in your doorway or you can hang them on your PRX.

And that'll give you more options. That'll give you more options. It's less taxing too. It's probably a better strategy to follow that with you. To moderate intensity is your best friend at this point, considering your schedule and the amount of volume of activity already doing it.

Yeah, you really got to prioritize recovery, healing, sleep. So your workouts are probably going to be around that. Like I want to feel good. Now, I'm going to go beat myself up and chase the gains. But those weeks where you feel rested and everything's working well, the after it, and you can push a little bit to map Santa ball. Over the course of a year, you'll be moving forward.

Okay. Sounds good. And how about like the diet aspect of everything? Because normally I count my macros, which which and I try and aim for like anywhere between 170 to 200 and protein, because I weigh 185. That's good. And my calories before. So when I was cutting, I cut on like a, don't get mad now, right? But it was like a 1600 calorie cut. So, but, yeah.

Well, I was just like, well, because honestly, and that's the thing also, is like, I don't have time to eat, like all my food and again, I know what you're saying on the podcast. I don't, all my protein sources comes from the protein bars, protein shakes, protein powders, it's all processed, like, I have 30 minutes

and a 12 hour shift to eat. And if I have time out, fit in one of those. Yeah, yeah. Do you have any kids, Andrew? Yes, I do. I have one. He's eight years old. Oh, damn, for any other kid. So look, here's a deal. You got to have to prioritize your health and don't worry about aesthetics.

Don't worry about. The sleep is your best friend. Because you're gonna hit a wall here. I don't even know how you're able to function. Okay, so here's such a good point, right? So everything you have on your plate, here's the mistake that someone that's young that makes in your spot is,

you go full throttle into your body, absolutely says, fuck you and you can't anymore, and then you swing the other direction. You probably fall off the train of lifting, you don't give a shit about eating, and then you go hardcore again. What it is is when you get at, when you decide, okay, I'm going to start over, you go too much too fast.

So literally what we're giving you, and this is including with diet too. Don't do no extreme. Feed yourself. Feed yourself. Hit your protein intake. Hit your protein intake. Focus on that, like you said, you're doing, and feed yourself. Don't worry about crazy deficits right now, and then train according to how you're getting sleep and rest.

And ease in, start with less is more first before you ramp up and build up any more days in the week. Because what I bet has happened to you in the past is you go hard one way than the other way. And what we need to do is just slowly build good habits. And the consistency in there is somewhere. Yeah, and the gauge that you want to use is, do I feel good?

Do I feel energetic at work? Do I feel good when I come home? Do my joints feel good? Do I feel well rested? That's your gauge, not like in my, you know, in my sore, in my beat myself up, in my sweating. That's not the gauge that you want to use right now. Okay, absolutely. All right, man, we're going to send to use right now. Okay, absolutely.

All right, man. We're going to send you all that stuff. Okay, when we hang up here, I'll make sure we're... All right, thank you so much. Get your email. So, excuse me, your mailing address. We'll send you a suspension trainer. Okay, thank you all so much. Appreciate it. You look at me, brother. Man, dude's...

Goddamn, it's a lot. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, here's a deal. For a lot of people working out for all of us, I guess, is a luxury because when you're, he's obviously trying to make ends meet. Yep.

Okay. His job is hard. He's working at 10 hours. You don't have time or space. That's a literal example of no time, no space to work out. And his workouts, if he does any of them, if you're watching or listening to this and that's very similar position to yourself,

use your workouts as a way to take care of yourself in the sense that I need to find ways to like, you know, rejuvenate my body, keep myself healthy. I know that's always the thing that we say for everybody, but it's so important if this is you because you try to push beyond that at all. You're gonna crash, crash and burn. And there's definitely signals as body's telling him. He might be ignoring because he's tough obviously tough, but those signals are gonna get louder.

Dude, those crazy schedules like that and the graveyard shift and I'm always like, oh, those are the hardest to give advice to because it's like, how do you... What do you do? Yeah, how do you maneuver in that environment? You just have to do your best. And really it is like the recovery is the most important. So that has to go higher on the stack than even what you think you need to be doing.

I hope he listens to most all the episodes because I recently talked about one of the biggest differences today about the way I look at my health and fitness journey compared to say 10 years ago, is I look at all aspects of it and think that every day there's an opportunity for me to move the needle in the right direction of being healthier than what I was the day before.

So what does that look like? Sometimes that means I'm just gonna make an effort to get really good night rest tonight and I'm gonna turn off the electronics, I'm gonna go to bed an extra hour, two hours earlier and that's gonna do something. Sometimes it's I'm gonna turn off the electronics, I'm gonna go to bed an extra hour, two hours earlier, and that's gonna do something. Sometimes it's, I'm gonna go get out and do a nice walk in the sun because I didn't do some of that.

Some days it's, I'm gonna get down on, while we're watching TV, and I'm gonna do 20 minutes of mobility work. Like, some days I'm gonna be like, you know what? Today is, I'm gonna prep my meals, so I have good choices that are whole foods for the next two to three days. All those are moving the needle in the right direction of getting yourself in a healthier position versus always measuring it by

hitting macros or training my ass off. Like it's it's so much bigger than that. And somebody who has got this much on their plate, they just need to make those little incremental changes or choices day to day and start compiling those up and you will get healthier. You will get fitter. You'll get the aesthetics that you want, but focusing that way versus, oh, I got a couple days this week, so I'm going to go hard. I'm going to train hell hard. I'm going to cut back calories, 1600 calories, and then you do that for like two weeks and then you're burnt and you're like, oh, fuck it. Then you're eating fast food, you're sleeping. And it's like, you've got to just ease your way in and look for the small wins in every day.

Our next caller is Chris from Florida. Chris, what's happening? How can I help you? What's up, guys? How you doing today? Good. Great. Hey, so I just want to thank you guys, first of all, for having me on. And I thought you guys would like to hear her

because of you guys promoting Women and lifting things like that. I'm doing split currently and I've been able to get my girlfriend into it She switched from a boot camp style class and she's seen some great results with it So I thought you guys really enjoyed to hear that. Oh, yeah, right on perfect Well, I want to give you as much background as possible to let you get the best answer. I've been working out for the last 15 years, all finon. The past three years, I work out at least six days a week, previously up until running

split. I was running six and lifting five. Cut out the running, followed, you know, you guys advice on how to follow the program and strict as I possibly could. I started split the beginning of July, I'm 40 years old, six foot one. Beginning of July I was 225 pounds and 21 percent. This past Saturday actually just did another scan. I am actually 230 pounds now, 21 percent. I've established my main calories at about 33 to 3500. I've reversed

dieted myself up to about 4,300 calories a day. I dispensed out about 460 grams of carbs, 120 fat and about 350 to 360 grams of protein. So my question is I obviously don't focus much on the scale and I'm focusing more on strength and specific volume because as you guys know specifically phase 3 is all about higher reps and really lifting as much total volume as possible. So I guess the best way to phrase the question is how much in a healthy way, how much volume or increase should I be expecting to get week over week. So for example, if I jump up 10, 15, sometimes even 20% for one week to another and one exercise,

but one exercise stays stagnant for two weeks in a row, is that something I should worry about? Is that just nature of the beast? Yeah, it's nature of the beast. How long have you been working out consistently for? The last three years. The last three years. The last three years, I would say, six days a week you could find me doing something.

Yeah, so linear progression where volume goes up pretty consistently or strength goes up pretty consistently or wraps, right? Where you just see progress on a regular basis is wonderful to a certain point. It can't possibly be perpetual. Yeah. Okay. Otherwise, otherwise, you know, I'd be I'd be able to work out for 12 hours a day and I'd be bench pressing 2000 pounds. I've been working out since I was 14, right? It

doesn't work that way. Now that doesn't mean you can't continue to progress. So that's the kicker with, and this is the problem with workout programming and fitness is it's a science and then it's not. So the science is increased volume, increased weight, increased tension, load, your body will progress. Yes, that's true until it's not true anymore. You've been consistent for three years. Right around the two to three year mark for most people is when this starts to like, you hit a ceiling and adding more volume isn't gonna work anymore. It's just not gonna work anymore.

So what you need to do is back out and I'm gonna give you another hack that works really well for a long time, which is find movements, find exercises, find ranges of motion that you're terrible at and build skills within that. And then you'll tap back into then linear progression.

So to give you an example, let's say you never do a windmill or you never push a sled, okay, or you never do a front squat or something like that. You go under the bar or you push the sled, you try it for the first time, you're only going to be so good at it because you haven't practiced it. Well, now you're doing something that you can develop skill around, and you will see linear progress, again, for a short period, with that new exercise. And this is where you're at now. This is where I'd say, look for those movements

and exercises where you can start to build those skills, and then you'll see progress again. And then the second part is, the reach is a point we're backing down on volume, actually starts to produce better results. So this is again where the science you know you can throw it out the window and then it just becomes kind of weird but literally oftentimes people are real consistent and advanced when they reduce volume cut their sets cut the intensity cut the you know frequency all of a

sudden they progress again. So those are two things I would look at if I were you because you've been so consistent for so long. Those are two areas that I would definitely look. Yeah, I just want to just remind you that this is totally normal to see, and to be level is actually a win. So my goal was always like, okay, I want to make sure I don't go backwards

each week on volume. So the goal was always to at least maintain that. And then what I would naturally do is go up that five or 10% on the workouts where I felt good. And listen to more to my body. It's like, oh, I, and you know this, right? As soon as you get into that first lift, and you're like, ooh, it just,

it feels good today. The bars moving faster, it feels, you know, 20% lighter. And it's like, oh, this is going to be a day, I increase volume. Other days, I get out of the bar and it's like, oh, this is gonna be a day, I increase volume. Other days, I get out of the barn, it's like, oh, this is gonna be a rough day. And then, those days, I'm going, okay, let's just hope I can maintain my volume today.

So I literally would just do that. I would allow the body to tell me when it's time to bump up another 10% volume like that. And that served me really well. But you're gonna have weeks, there's times when I was feeling two to three weeks straight of just kinda helping, just keeping the volume the that. And that served me really well. But you're going to have weeks. There's times when I was feeling two to three weeks straight, I just kind of just keep in the volume the same. And a lot of that had to do with what was going on outside the gym. Maybe I had some stressful stuff going on with work or family or my diet wasn't as perfect as it was

the previous weeks. And so I would allow that natural ebb and flow in life to happen. I would make sure my workout intensity mirrored what was going on there and be okay with maybe even sometimes a little dip or a plateau. And then when I felt good, that's when I'm pushing up again. And I would just over time. So when I pull back and I look at four weeks, like a month, I should see increased volume over time. But the week to week stuff, you're definitely going to have this kind of natural

ebb and flow that you just going to allow yourself to do that and don't make the mistake of chasing the adding volume so much that you don't listen to your body when it's telling you like you're not very strong today. And so that served me really well by just kind of paying attention to that. That's a good point, Adam, because even with linear progress, the control, so if this was a study, everything would have to be exactly the same every week for us to be able to judge whether or not the linear progression model is working, but your life is definitely not the same every week, right? So there's going to be weeks when you get better sleep, less sleep, maybe you're fighting off an infection, you're a little more stressed out, less stressed out, more sunlight, less sunlight.

So even in the context of like a beginner, it doesn't always work because the controls are always different, right? So that's a good point that Adam just made. What is your workout programming look like for the last three years, by the way? Honestly, I know you're on the Nick Bear Show at one point. I followed his B-Cant hybrid athlete for the previous 12 weeks leading right up to Split. I did a half marathon in April.

And then the media laughed at a half marathon, just kind of bored him, wanted to mix it up, you know, wanted to focus on some a little different to keep me engaged. Found you guys about a year or so ago, so it kind of perfectly worked out that as I was kind of getting burnt out and running, listening to you guys and, you know, was really hyped up on the, on which you guys are putting out there. So I went into this kind of change of ideology or, you know, approach. Yeah, well, it sounds like you have fun with your workouts. What do you think, Justin, kind of change of ideology or approach. Yeah, well, it sounds like you have fun with your workouts. What do you think, Justin, if we did an old time for them?

I know, I was just thinking that. Just in terms, because I liked the earlier advice of like, you know, kind of shaking it up and focusing on the skill or something that your body really needed to learn and teach that way to it. It also like, we'll fill a lot of the gaps in terms of strength and be able to kind of push you forward and get those numbers going back up again.

I do think it really challenges you in such a different way than you've ever experienced. So I'm all forward if you can. I like that, no, I like that. I think someone like you, if you did old times, but if you're game for that, that would be awesome. It's so different, but it is strength training. It is muscle building. But it's different, but it is strength training. It is muscle building.

But it's difficult, but it's really fun. But the exercises in the programming is stuff that people don't do anymore in the gym. So what you'll get out of it is you're gonna develop a really strong back shoulders. Your core is gonna develop in strength and like you've never experienced before. And your grip strength, yeah, rotational ability,

in terms of like being able to stabilize. So lots of that stuff plays such a huge factor in strength. People don't consider the more stable you can create within your joints, the more weight you're going to be able to put up. It's a new program, and we're just starting to get emails now from people following it.

And my favorite email, because this is one I'm seeing quite common, is oh, I did, I'm doing old time, went to go test some traditional lifts, and I hit new PRs, I'm like, well, it's what Justin said, they're filling in the gaps with new exercises. So I'll send that to you if you're interested.

That would be great. Yeah, that would be fantastic. And to build on that one more, I don't wanna say too much, but PED looks really interesting to me. That would be fantastic. And to build on that one more, I don't wanna say too much, but PED looks really interesting to me. And I feel like for a guy who work at 5'45, 50 hours a week, maybe I'm definitely pushing myself too much with that. Yeah, yeah.

I kind of figured that would be I can't say for that, but that was honestly both. I was blind to put next on my plate. Oh yeah, don't do that, don't do that. Do you put your job, do bodybuilding for the pro bodybuilder? There's a man of the talk. But you're going to get the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, you're going to love old time strength.

You're going to, you're going to hate it at first, love it by the end. So what you're going to hate is it's going to be very challenging and there's going to feel like a total movie. Yeah, and there's going to be movements. You're going to have to really reduce the weight at first. But the fun part is this is something that you're going to be able to see yourself see that 10% increase every single week because it is new novel. So novel, you're going to see great gains again, which is fun and it's exciting. Yeah.

I'm excited. I want to hear you. I want to hear as you go through too. So make sure you circle back Chris and let us know what your progress is like. Definitely. Definitely. All right, brother. You have a good one. Thanks, Chris.

Thank you so much, guys. Have a good one. I know exactly what you were thinking out of the entire time. What a beautiful head of hair. Yeah, I was just thinking. I didn't want to say it, but like, like his resting face is a little bit villainy.

Oh, really? Yeah, he's just like, I'm just gonna say it. Of course, just to go there. I was gonna say it. Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna use a dick. Of course, just a ghost there. That was good to say. Yeah, you know, I mean, three years, this is what happens. Like the first few years, sometimes the first year,

sometimes the last few years, depending on where you start. I mean, you can get addicted and think that's the, the train's gonna keep going. Like, oh, every month, I'm stronger. Every month, I get better. Every month, I can add volume. I'm progressing, I'm progressing.

At some point, you just doesn't work that way. And then you got to get a little bit more creative. It is so much quality. It's, listen, if you've been working out consistently for five years, to get you to add 10 pounds to a lift that you practice often is a miracle compared to getting, you know, a beginner to add 50 pounds to a lift. It just gets more challenging because to get your body to further adapt, you've got to get more creative.

That's where he's at right now. Well, the advice that you gave with the old-time strength is great because I think this is the hack that we share all the time, how we keep ourselves motivated to keep doing different stuff is that if you're, I'm always doing the same type of lifts and training, that can get really tough to see consisting. In fact, when you get to the 10 years plus of lifting like that, you have stretches where you're just weaker for a long period of time. I'm not accepted.

It's a reckonsile one. Yeah, it's just, that's part of the game. Like you've been doing something you're not going to be, especially as we're getting above 40 years old, like you're not going to be seeing the PR you hit after 10 years of training when you were 30. You know what I'm saying? Like the likelihood you're going to see're gonna see that is super rare. So in order to keep that like fun,

oh I'm seeing gains, I'm getting better, I'm getting stronger, is keeping it novel, changing it up to different type of modalities. What I like to do is take one of my same age friends to the gym. And then I make people like, oh yeah. So get a little hack.

Our next caller is Caleb from Canada. What's that man? How can we help you? Hi, I'm super excited to be here. Thanks for having me on your show. You got it. All right So before I get into my question, I just want to say thank you guys Not only for all that fitness stuff, but also just being such a positive role models for young man like myself And just demonstrating what it's like the balanced fitness with life and how to be a good father and just good people overall. So thank you. Oh, thank you.

I had a good time. So I'm just going to read my question as is and then you guys can ask me any follow-up questions if you want. So my question is, what is the best approach to transition from a purely endurance baseball to a peer strength base goal. So for background, I'm 23 years old, 5'8", and currently around 155 pounds. I was a high level hockey player for years, and still an injury in COVID-4ment quit. When I played, I was about 180, and was pretty strong for my size. Over the course of the pandemic, I got into endurance training as a way to escape the lockdown,

and got really into it. Last summer, in this summer, I completed an unburve endurance event, including marathon and bike races and a few Iron Man triathlons. While I enjoyed it, I'm just getting strong and living heavy in the gym like I did when I was an athlete. And so I wanted to set a strength baseball. Wow, yeah, you did some triathlons, huh? Yeah, wow, you're an athlete.

How far removed are you from this? Like are you just coming off of doing one? Uh, yeah, so I just completed a half Iron Man this past summer. Um, it was end of July. This is this is actually going to be really cool. It's a easy transition. It is. And you just get started in a strength program.

And I think you're going to see awesome. Oh, you're going to start for it. You're going to pack on, especially if you feed see awesome. Awesome guys. You're gonna start them for it. You're gonna pack on, especially if you feed yourself while you do it, you're gonna pack on muscle like it's nobody's business. Mapsandabolic, right up to the gate. Yeah, 100% with the in a calorie surplus. That's it, surplus.

Yeah, Mapsandabolic, I would have you aim for, let's say you're 155, I would go for about 165 grams of protein. Do you know what, your calories look like, you? Yeah, so I'm actually kind of a pretty big eater. So I'm at around like 2800 to 3000 calories right now. Okay. Yeah, you usually get north of 200 grams of protein. Oh, really?

You can go ahead and keep it there. Yeah, you're so cool. Keep it there and lift, map center ball like and you're going to blow up. Are you doing anything like, you're still up. Keep it there and lift, maps and a ball like and you're gonna blow up. Are you doing anything like are you playing pick up hockey during the week and doing other stuff activities or are you pretty much just working and then now I'm gonna be working out?

Yeah, pretty much just working. I like to do just go for like one or two cardio sessions a week kind of under an hour just to keep on. Yeah, that should be it. And then just recreational stuff like intermierals but nothing, nothing intense. Caleb, how important is it that you maintain some level of athleticism during this muscle building process?

Ideally, if I could, I would like to. Okay. I'm gonna change my advice then. I'm gonna send you Maths Performance. Maths Performance will pack muscle on you, but it's athletically based, so you're not gonna, because Maths Interball will pack muscle on you too, but it's very sagittal plane, basic lifts, no rotation, no lateral stability, and you'll lose a lot of your athleticism doing that,

but math performance, you'll maintain a lot of your athleticism. Wow, you'd be more of a bridge, but I mean, you could do anabolic with mobility sessions instead of trigger sessions and maybe go in that direction just to hit like on those different planes of motion. But yeah, I do think performance would be a good natural

kind of follow up to that, to then maybe even like anabolic right after. I mean, it's been a while since we kind of disagreed here. So here, I, well, I'm more like Justin. So you have the RGB bundle. So I would run anabolic. I would do the mobility days before he's playing intermierals. He's gonna keep his athleticism up. If you's playing intermierals. He's gonna keep his athleticism up if you're playing intermierals

Every week and you're running. You know, it's gonna happen So he's just might happen look. He's 155 pounds. He was 180 He's coming out of extreme endurance training. He starts lifting He's gonna throw muscle on his body so fast No, he's not not if he's running twice a week and doing intermierals He maintains like his yeah, exactly. Yeah, you's not. If he's running twice a week and doing an intermural, he's not. No, he's not. He's like, uh, his, his, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you win.

I mean, are you taking steroids? Are you, are you exactly what the lab is? No, no, we don't. We take it a bunch of, are you, are you about to take a bunch of deballs somewhere? Out of some way. I mean, if he's, if he's natural, I mean, he's a good luck throughout.

Well, if he did try out a lot, like if you did an Iron Man. He's in Mexico right now. Yeah. If you did, if you're doing Iron Man's, you've Mexico right now. You know, if you're doing Iron Man's, you've got a, and high level hockey, you've got, he's got really good genetics. I bet you the kid packs on 15 pounds in a two, three month period with eating that much food.

Yeah. And heavy lifting. I think he'll get him. That's a lot of mass. And well, I mean. But, okay, how competitive are you looking at in terms of like, you playing hockey again? Like are like is that something that you want to aspire to then do like some kind of amateur league almost semi pro like what are you looking at?

No, it's pretty much just just stay active. Yeah, good good jack. So it's just for fun. Yeah, dude get get Swole you'll you'll gain more on maps and a ball like but you're gonna lose more athleticism Maps performance will still pack muscle on you, but you'll be more athletically I mean I think you can make that choice. I think he's gonna have a hard time eating enough calories If he's doing intramurals. He's running twice and then he's running a performance. I think there's too much Number phase one of performances. I know yeah, I mean, he's not gonna not build muscle But the protocol for me would be maps and a ball, like it throw in some of the mobility sessions

from performance on days that you're gonna go for your run and play in our murals. And you're gonna get fucking strong as shit. You're gonna keep rotational strength. You're gonna have a little bit of the endurance. You're gonna be fine. Well, hold on a second. Here's one other thing I'll say

because you already have the RGB bundle. So everything that we're saying you already have, I wanna give you something Just for calling in You like competing because of the competition aspect would you ever consider competing in a strength sport? I would consider it. Yeah, all right. I'm gonna send you maps power lift. You can have it if you want to compete in powerlifting This will be perfect and already has that too. We've got that too. This kid's great. You got everything.

All right. Champion. All right. Well, there you go. That was just to confuse you more. Just take to what Justin and I said, you'll be fine. Yeah, I agree. You'll be fine.

Yeah. Do you know what you want to do? Or do we just confuse the chef? You do. Yeah. Well, so there's kind of a challenge, like an unofficial challenge at school. That's a, hey, you're like three big lifts up to a thousand pounds. So I was kind of looking at trying to get as close as I can to that.

So definitely our advice is better than sales. Matching a ball like our most power lift. For sure. And then literally just pull the mobility days, before any time you go do a run or anytime you're gonna do intermierals, take one of the mobility days from performance and do it before you do that.

That'll be good for you. Other than that, follow maps in a ball. Yeah, and eat calories. Super jacks. And keep me posted. I'd love to hear if you put on 30 pounds overnight, like Sal thinks you're gonna do. No, I don't see that. Calm down.

Yeah. Because I want to know, I want to know what you're doing over there. Mm hmm. All right, awesome. All right, buddy. Thanks for pulling in. Yeah, thank you guys.

Take care. You know what this was right here, which has happened? This was a case where all of us are in a gym as trainers. He walks in once the higher trainer, young kid, I want to build muscle. We're all, oh, I'm sure. Come here, dude. That's exactly what that was.

This would be so fun. Oh my God, it's gonna be so fun. I mean, he can't really go wrong as long as he doesn't. I know. I mean, he was already 180. So he's already got muscle memory on his side. He's already done Iron Man's at the age of what 20 something years old He's not and high level hockey. He's he's got some he's definitely got some genetic potential there

Letticism's there. Yeah, like muscle building potential. I feel very confident if he did the right stuff like 15 pounds in a few months of lean body It would be easy. Yeah, add to his body. Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to see I mean, he's he's got himself in a great position to do that for those exact reasons. I mean, I know what it's like to be a 23-year-old kid, though, that still likes to do a lot of activity. I mean, the hard part will be the calories, in my opinion. I mean, he's-

Activities. Yeah, coloring. Getting activity. Getting enough food in to support, you know, building that much muscle in addition to doing some runs and doing intermierals is just it's tough. Did he say why he was in a lab by the way? He was avoiding that.

He didn't answer that. He's making bad. All right, cool. Send us some stuff, Caleb. Yeah. Our next caller is Michael from Oklahoma. Michael, what's happening? How can we help you?

Hey, guys, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate the opportunity to chat with you today. You got it. All right. Yeah appreciate the opportunity to chat with you today. You got it Yeah, so I'll jump right into it. So I'm a runner. I'm read off of the side here as I read through my question to be sure I get it right So I'm a runner turning industry training on my second time through Mab Santa Ballake Love the program. I had some great results from myself from it and looking to continue to build strength gains to where I want to get you know my bench press up to about 225 squats around 250 and deadlift around 300 so strength gains for me is very important in everything that I'm working towards.

On top of that, I have a couple other my three other sons who are trying to get into strength training. And I'm looking for some advice on bringing the younger generation into strength training and how I can use some of the content here to inspire them. So my youngest son, he's 14, got 511, 120 pounds, really lean. He's on his cross-country team and has a goal of wanting to get stronger. My middle son is 517, around 510, 140 pounds. He's competitive into volleyball, not into anything cardio-wise, just wants to build his strength and ability to jump and figure and better serves. And in my oldest son, 19, he did the cross-country competitive through high school and still he's really lean as well,

similar to my youngest one. And he's just looking for more dexterity and coordination and confidence to be able to move his body in the way he wants to. So in general, my real question is, how do I program and inspire this for these three different sports on top of my personal goals with myself

to continue to get stronger and lift heavier, but at the same time, I need to bring my kids up into it. So do I program differently based on their sport? What age is appropriate for strength training and what buttons from your experience can I press to increase their appetite and desire to hit the gym? Yeah, so that being said, and another way to recommend it would be

any tips for convincing them to just get after it, right? Yeah, well, so here's a cool thing. There are none of them do strength training yet, right? They do not. Their current programs are the youngest one. He runs it as high school across country team. And it's a morning run and an afternoon run. Maybe some ab workout.

Zero strength. So the cool part and then the competitive volleyball, it's self on your own because when they show up for that It's it's outside of school. So it's all just volleyball practice So the cool part about that is that even though they're all different ages. They have different sports and goals Standard just strength training for them is gonna contribute to all their goals That's how you would start so that's what's that's what's cool is like even though they're different at different ages, different goals, because it's, they haven't done any like foundational training.

They're that just doing that, which so they all basically can follow the same routine and get benefits for their sports. It doesn't start to get sport specific until later. So that's the first fundamental characteristics to it. Yes, the strength is a big component to that. And really like in terms of how we structured mass performance, this is what we consider, because to be able to create something that was kind of generally hits a lot of those main attributes

that a lot of athletes benefit from, we would try to structure in a way where the first phase is really like strength focus, strength centric, and to be able to learn how to lift a lot of these compound lifts and master that process first to build and establish that foundational strength. Then we move into multi-directional type of strength. So when you're an athlete, you have to consider a lot more different variables than you do.

Just somebody that's just focused on building muscles. So to be able to be strong and move in different planes and twist and rotate and go laterally is up most importance with that, which then falls that up. We get into more of a speed power type of training where we want that snap. So we want that speed and to be able to control that and decelerate appropriately, which then leads into more of the conditioning, which they're already very capable of and are already applying that with their specific sport. But all of that will translate well towards their individual needs. So I was thinking performance and suspension trainer.

That's what came to mind for me was like hit dad running performance in the garage. Like if you guys are all working out together in the garage and then also having a suspension trainer in case you have to. Yeah, but none of them do anything now. They need to do at least a few weeks of very based, like pre-phase maps and a bunch of things. Well, so that's why I thought suspension trainers. Suspension trainer, I think, for young kids

is such a great tool because- Not a start with? Yes, to start with that. And then they can see dad doing performance and then eventually work into some of his stuff. You guys can all work out together doing that. That would be the way I'd motivate everybody is to make it a family work as far as the appetite

is concerned. My proper strength training stimulates appetite, tends to stimulate appetite. The body wants to build muscle. And then your job is gonna be there, is gonna be to feed it. Yeah, the main thing I would do is help them hit their protein target for their weight. Like, let's get that many, like, that would be the main focus, and then I would allow

them to pile calories on at their age. Just whatever, I mean, literally if they hit their protein and take all the other calories, like, whatever they want, I'd almost lose it. Shakes are really valuable for kids at this age, especially in the morning. Teenagers don't like to eat in the morning. So having like a shake in the morning, a high calorie shake with like milk, way protein, throw some peanut butter in there, some fruit, and then here you go,

and it's like 600 calories, and it gets them started on the right track. Have you heard me talk about the peanut butter chocolate shake that I make? I love, I think that's like milk and banana and two tablespoons of peanut butter and a tablespoon of Nutella, and then your favorite vanilla way shake.

I mean, that makes like a like a Reese's peanut butter cup type of smoothie and the more blended on ice. And that's good like what, was that 600 calories? Oh yeah, at least that's, it's close to 700 calories in the morning right there and a good 40 plus grams of protein. It's a great Great protein. Yeah, I was just thinking what you're talking because I do like the suspension trainer But also to like the the way maps symmetry structured in terms of learning

How to how to basically control your body first and so thinking that like so your youngest is 14 right and then those ages in between that that are more in high school That honestly for for me is the biggest importance is like being able to control the body and be able to have it go through proper mechanics and range of motion We cover a lot of that like in the first few phases of symmetry Which would then naturally lead into something like performance, because you just jump in them in, I agree. It's a bit like more on the advanced side and it's an intermediate, I would say. Well, that's the greatest challenge you're gonna have here

without us seeing the kids move is, and this is again why I like suspension trainer so much is just the stability component and the control that they're gonna cover. It forces them to learn that, right? Where, I mean, I've had kids that are 12, 13 years old that just have the gift. You can tell them, chest up, shoulders back, head up, and they're organized their body into perfect form by queuing them.

Then I have another kids where I could literally be holding and pushing their body and they just, their body's all over the place and they don't have good control and stability. And so really depending on where the kids are there, which if they have no strength training background, there's a good chance they might kind of be all over the place. So I love the suspension trainer for this because of the instability component. It really, and it's safe, such a safe way to get them into really strength training and running them through that first before I took it. Yeah, it's cool about that too, Michael as you could get, you know, four suspension trainers and all of you could do once you guys and I'll do them at the same time.

And you would like maps that you would you would get benefit at a suspension training too. So you guys could you could hook up four suspension trainers and you all do a set together and then rest together and then do another set together and literally just follow the program as it's laid out. Yeah And then to be awesome because I really does hit on all the buttons for right? Adam as you're talking about the stability because I think sometimes they're just afraid to put that barbell on their back and Yeah, the weights and try to do a true squat And so they just don't do it in that case. So this cool with this suspension trainer too, is that the resistance is kind of natural because you're using your body weight.

So it tends to be more appropriate right off, and you can do it at the same time. You know, unless you get five barbells, there would be a scale, yeah. Everybody could do it together, and you all do a set together and then you all rest and it becomes like this fun. So this is what I wanna do.

I'm gonna have Doug send Map Suspension to you. I also want him to send Map Performance because I think this is what will be a great program for you to progress to. And then if the kids are ready, they can join you afterwards. When you get Map Performance, you should also get a follow up email, Doug,

right, he'll get a follow up email for 50% off of the suspension trainer itself for suspension yeah so no I said well I believe so maybe I can just have a Jerry's yeah can you make sure that he gets that so you'll get half so the the suspension trainers only 50 bucks they're normally like a hundred something bucks so for 50 bucks you can get one to get three of them or four of them for all of you guys and then all and then after that you could follow performance. But suspension trainer for the kids and you

would be a great workout altogether to introduce them that. And then as they start to progress and build confidence, then maybe move them into maps performance. But by the way, it doesn't hurt to keep having them run through suspension. I mean, they could run that over and over until they build the confidence. And maybe what happens is they go through it once or twice, you've now moved on to performance.

They're still doing their suspension. They see you doing the barbell back squat or something. They want to get in there and try it with you maybe for a set or two. And you kind of slowly introduce it to them that way as they feel confident. And then eventually when you see like, okay, they're starting to move this, this barbell, pretty good. Okay, I feel right that they're ready for performance. So that's kind of how I would gauge it. I was standing there, I appreciate that.

And then the shake, the shake for breakfast in the morning I was kind of hesitant on some of that, but I think I need to spark their appetite as well. So the strength training and then a shake in the morning, get that appetite boost and that metabolism going to get hungry. Yes, and then to be hungry, and they'll take the calories. Yes. Yeah, that's a huge And that's it so that ones and even easier one. Okay I can you can only imagine having three boys in the morning and everything you got probably going on with work life

Two could be a lot creatures of habit the the oatmeal with 30 grams of protein already in it like that's a And all you do is add hot water So I think that's a solid, all you do is add hot water. So I think that's a solid, you know, if you don't have time to blend. It's a good fast off. Yeah, it's a fast, quick, good, and it will stimulate that appetite.

So do check that out for sure if you haven't tried that yet. Yeah, outstanding. So I appreciate the time to chat with you. That really is helpful, helpful advice and just wanna say keep up the content. I wish I would have connected with someone like the Mind Pump Show when I was younger.

Now that I'm here and you guys have great content, and it's just a powerful to hear men talk about fatherhood and all that stuff in a positive light. So I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Hey, if you get all the boys doing it, I love a video of all you guys working out in the garage. Email to us if you get everybody on it.

We'll do it. Alright buddy. Thanks. I think you. You got it. I didn't expect this. The sleeve tattoo to peak out when you pull a sleeve out. Oh.

You got a secret badass. I hope you didn't see the earlier guy give a free suspension trailer. Adam, I won't give you 50% off. He's got two me kids. Well, I just know what you're gonna get shit for when we hang up here is our team that has to go like shipping things, actual things. It's easy for us to give a digital free stuff.

Shipping free stuff is kind of a headache with all those stuff we are to do. But I think that you were on point with the suspension trainer. And then they could all do it together really. Yes, that's a nice, the most sense. Right now for the immediate needs. And what we don't know,

and that's why I think that's the go-to default answer is, I mean, maybe one of his boys or all of them have great biomechanics, and then you could throw him right to performance and they would be great, right? But if they don't, and I like where you were going with symmetry with the isometrics because you know the isometrics

is such a great place to start kids, but it's also not very fun, and it's also very hard to get buy-in. And if I'm trying to get buy-in, yeah, I'm always seeing an ideal, right? My best case scenario, at least to draw it out first, and then I kind of reduce it back. Like, what actually, they can be able to apply right now,

what makes the most sense, and suspension makes the most sense. The good thing too is with kids like this, we've never lifted. They're gonna get benefits from basic strength. Anything, yeah. I mean, they could just do pushups and pull-ups and body weight squats in their bedroom.

And see muscle development. And that's why the suspension trainer to me is the easiest introduction to getting them to liking and doing it, it's kind of fun. It's easy, like you said, is dad, they can all do it together, like that would be a great experience doing it. It's kind of fun. It's easy. Like you said, it's dad. They can all do it together. Like that would be a great experience.

I think that's the money move. Totally. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out some of our guides. We have free fitness guides. They're all free on that page. You can also find all of us on Instagram, Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump. The Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.

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