Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2196: How to Get Better at Pull-Ups, the Mental Health Benefits of Exercise, Tips for Developing the Quad “Teardrop” Shape & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:33 Mental health is physical health. Look, one thing that Western medicine does really well is it dives deep into singular topics. Unfortunately, this divides things up and has led to the myth that mental and physical health aren't intricately connected. The bottom line is if you improve one, you tend to improve the other or to put it differently, you can't improve one without improving the other. Bringing this up because when you look at the data on the effect, the data now is really clear on this. The positive mental effects of exercise and nutrition on mental health, which, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:13 we used to think, okay, yeah, we thought, you know, you work out, it improves your physical body, right? Change your diet, improves your physical body. And somehow there's a belief, I don't know if it's explicit, but I think a lot of people just assume that they're not necessarily totally connected, but we forget that the brain is part of the body and that a healthy brain is connected to a healthy mind. Well, the data on exercise and nutrition shows it not only to be profoundly impactful in both directions, right? Both in the positive and potentially in the negative.

Starting point is 00:03:47 It's so profoundly impactful. There's no medication, there's no talk therapy, there's nothing that even comes close to the impact that those things can have on your mental health. And then, vice versa, improving your mental health tends to improve your eating habits. And it tends to lead to better activity levels, exercise, and just movement in general. Now we knew this is strainers. We knew when we worked with people's diets that we were way more successful when we dealt with the behaviors, rather than just follow this, follow that type of deal.

Starting point is 00:04:23 When people could figure out the why behind why they ate a particular way, or why they distracted themselves with food, and they tackled that genuinely, then we would see these incredible improvements in consistency. So, I mean, they're one and the same, right? They're one and the same.

Starting point is 00:04:38 Do you think this is a result of the Western kind of approach and philosophy of like segmenting the body up into all these different systems. And we're just gonna isolate this and address this specifically. So, you know, in terms of, instead of looking at it as a whole, like all systems affect each other. How's this gonna now have, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:58 the byproduct of that is gonna affect this. Well, to become a mental health expert, you don't learn anything about diet or exercise, right? To become a physical health expert, you learn almost nothing about mental health. The funny thing is coaches and trainers that work with people for a long time will tell you that it's, I mean, you have to do it all, right?

Starting point is 00:05:18 Now, I'm not saying, I don't think it's possible, and maybe it is, but I think it's not feasible to have someone like master all these things, but it is something to keep in mind because then you can work with other practitioners to get your clients the best results, or just for yourself, like realize like if something's good for my mind, it's probably good for my body, and if something's good for my body, it's probably good for my mind. They're not separate, they're not in vacuums, they're so closely connected, and again, the data is extremely clear on this. I think most people are pretty aware of this actually.

Starting point is 00:05:49 I think what they're, what I think that we fail to realize is how powerful it is. I think I don't think there's a person in the world that you would ask, like, hey, do you think exercise, you know, improves your, your mental state? I don't think anyone would be like, no, I didn't know that. I think everybody would agree. I think the thing that isn't communicated enough is just how profound it is. The fact that it rivals medications,

Starting point is 00:06:13 that it's that successful when actually people apply that. And then it begs the question, if that's true and that's what all the research is pointing to is why then do we not, as soon as someone comes in, say for therapy, would it not be like, okay, I'll see you next Tuesday, and now in next Tuesday, I want you to the gym three times, or I want you to like...

Starting point is 00:06:33 They're starting to, they're starting to. It just takes so long for studies and stuff to kind of become implemented. Yeah, I too think that even with the way that we learn and how we've structured our education system, it's like, it's such an afterthought of the physicality that's necessary for kids to learn at a higher level. And that's so interconnected. And the more that some of these schools, like the very few schools that have picked

Starting point is 00:07:03 up on this, of including more physical activity and figuring out ways to incorporate it throughout the day, have had way better test scores and results. Yeah, look, if somebody said, let's say you were, you took the average person and you say, hey, look, we took two groups of people over the age of 65 and we wanted to improve

Starting point is 00:07:21 their cognitive scores. One group, we had them do brain game exercises, crossword puzzles and math problems and problems involving spatial awareness where they have to like study an object, right? That group would just have new squats. And yeah, the other group, we had them lift weights and change their diet, which one do you think

Starting point is 00:07:39 has better improvements in cognitive performance? Now the data will tell you, it's the exercise group in the diagram. Yeah, that actually, people's minds though. That'll actually get in cognitive performance. Now the data will tell you, it's the exercise group in the diagram. Yeah, that actually, people's minds though. That'll actually get better cognitive performance than the people doing the brain games. I remember, now this is in reverse. Now that's the step that I don't think everybody's here.

Starting point is 00:07:54 That's what I mean. Now the reverse is also interesting. Remember those studies you would read about where you had groups of athletes, some practicing free throws, others mentally going through the field. Yeah, I share that study. Yeah, yeah. And the guys who practiced practicing free throws, others mentally going through a few shows. Yeah, I shared that study.

Starting point is 00:08:06 Yeah, yeah. And the guys who practiced the free throws in their head did almost as well. Exactly the same. And the people who did both did the best. Did the best. Yes, yes. So that was who was,

Starting point is 00:08:17 but the people who practiced like crazy versus the people that just did it mentally were almost exactly the same. It's crazy how, that's wild, the thing that you put in all that work and the person who just visualized it guys. This is even true for supplements, like supplements that in a healthy way, of course,

Starting point is 00:08:36 because you can do things unhealthily. But supplements that improve strength, that improve metabolism, immune system will also show tend to show improvements in cognitive health and vice versa. Things that are good for the brain like colean, right? Colean, some scientists would say it's an essential nutrient. Colean is very important for brain function. In people who lack it, when they supplement with, you know what they notice in the gym,

Starting point is 00:09:04 improve performance. They notice that they're strong and they have more stamina. Crating, Crating is another great example. Crating is as much of a brain supplement as it is a muscle supplement. Well, it's weird to me too, that people can't figure out as well. Like if you're in a state of pain or you're unhealthy

Starting point is 00:09:20 or you're not feeling good, like your thought process and your behaviors and the way that you're outlook on obstacles or anything that's like somewhat challenging. Like you have a completely different perspective than you do when you have a healthy thriving brain. Yeah, it's body, I should say. It's also propoded or say pushed, I would say, in media.

Starting point is 00:09:43 Like how often do we watch movies where the athletes are portrayed as dumb, and the nerds or whatever are portrayed as like totally physically unhealthy and unfit? Yeah. And that pushes the narrative that they're not totally connected. When the truth is, of course, there's context matters, right? People who are gifted in one area

Starting point is 00:10:05 aren't necessarily gifted in the other and vice versa. But if you took athletes who are gifted athletes, and you had them not exercise, their cognitive performance go down. In other words, they're smarter because of the physical activity that they do. And the same thing with the Brainiacs, you see all the scientists or the research nerds

Starting point is 00:10:23 and they're trying to improve their Performance in the lab or what their tests or what their innovation Mm-hmm if they went out and did some exercise and improve their physical health They would have improvements in those things be so interesting if they did like a gifted you know be so interesting if they did like a where Schools were kids for the first 20 to 30 minutes of the day started that way.

Starting point is 00:10:48 I like to think if we could show like it, it, it, it, it, it, increase. You've got to look at the studies on ADHD. They've done that where they'll take kids and they'll have them be active, X amount of times for every two hours and they'll change, they'll make, they'll make, they'll involve the body with the mind with their activities. And it's remarkable how much it improves performance. Among people with, who'd be classified as ADHD, I think if you extended across the board, you would see way better.

Starting point is 00:11:16 I mean, look, you ever watch a teacher that's really effective with kids, especially little kids? What do they do? They get them to move. They get them to do different things. Just trying to get them to sit down and not do anything. I mean, that disrupts the energy systems of the body, which fuel the brain. They don't just fuel your muscles. They also fuel the brain. Hormones, I mean, if your hormones are off for goodness sakes,

Starting point is 00:11:35 you know, look at the signs of one of the hormone and balances that's very studied is low testosterone, amen. Do you know what they show with cognitive performance in low testosterone? It's down. They put men on testosterone that have chronic low testosterone,

Starting point is 00:11:51 their cognitive abilities improve dramatically. And of course, their mental state, things like anxiety and depression, tend to get better. And of course, exercise and diet positively affects hormones as well. And then supplements, this is where it gets real fun. We often look at supplements,

Starting point is 00:12:09 and there's categories of supplements, right? Like this is better for athletic performance, and then these are better for, let's say cognitive performance. If you take genuinely effective cognitive performance enhancing supplements, you will get a physical performance boost in the gym.

Starting point is 00:12:26 Caffeine is a wonderful example. Caffeine is a classic. Now nobody would argue this, right? Every pre-workout has caffeine in it. But if caffeine were just discovered today, then let's say people just discovered it and they found like, oh my god, this improves cognitive performance, especially when you're tired. You got better memory recall, I'm sharper, then it would be sold to this just like total neutropic. But we know caffeine does both.

Starting point is 00:12:51 Caffeine because it's the main essential nervous system improves athletic performance, but also it's a supplement that is widely used by people who either want to improve their cognitive performance or just their physical performance just to give you an example. Organifi has supplements like this, right? Like pure, they would call it a Neutropic

Starting point is 00:13:09 because it helps with brain function and gut health, which is connected. Take it before your workout. See if you notice improvement, you probably will. Or take it regularly, and you'll notice athletic performance improvements, right? They're pre-workout that they have, peak power, same thing. Before

Starting point is 00:13:25 you take a test or you study, it is something you want to do before athletic performance, but try it before you study or read. See if you remember more and you're sharper while you're reading or trying to absorb information. And you'll find that. Goes hand in hand. Absolutely. So it's all the same and this separating them out has made us so much less effective. Is it just our culture that does that? It's all cultures that are based in Western medicine now doing that. Because if you look at ancient or say old wellness practices, they all talk about how everything

Starting point is 00:14:00 is all one, right? Yeah, one. Yeah, so Chinese medicine, aerovetic medicine, they talk about things in this way. But then, you know, what science is, which is very good, science is an incredible tool. We can get super deep on, in segment the body, like, you know, you get a gastroenterologist.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah, we have some of the best specialists. Exactly. Yeah, it's one of the best specialists in the world come from where we're from where I mean that part, Doug, when you were in Japan, because you were in the school system there too, what did you notice a difference in the way they teach the kids and along the lines of what Sal is talking about with movement and exercise and like definitely more movement, a lot more activity outside.

Starting point is 00:14:40 Of course, I was working with young kids, but every year Japan has something called Sports Day, and they prepare for this thing where they do all these events, and they parade around and have a great time. So I think yes, activity in Japan is far more prevalent than it is. They also have, I don't know if all the companies do there, but I remember reading about how that was culturally... Before they work. They were traditionally do calisthenics before? Yeah. Yeah, so I've seen companies doing that. I mean, in front of a Mercedes dealership, for example,

Starting point is 00:15:13 I saw a bunch of guys in ties and women in skirts and they're all doing their calisthenics. They're deflating, right? Yeah, sales. That's awesome. I could shoot it. I love that. That's great. I wonder- Although. I love that. That's great. I mean, I wonder it's so it's like

Starting point is 00:15:26 Although this is what like more and more studies are supporting your argument It does feel to me like we're going further and further in the opposite direction though like even though more is proving your point It almost feels like we're getting further away from that than going like hey Maybe there's some of these things that we can adopt or bring back At least it feels that way to me. I don't feel like I'm seeing more companies or more people get on board with that.

Starting point is 00:15:50 Well, I think, was that long ago that we started to get rid of PE in some schools? I know, it's crazy. Well, education might need to make a U-turn because I don't know if you guys look at the numbers or the percentages of people pulling the kids out of school and putting them in homeschooling. Yeah, I sure those numbers the other day.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Yeah, that'll kill. It's crazy. That'll kill the education. I mean, don't you think that the educate, I mean, we're getting ready to go to the ARC event right with Jordan Peterson and his, I believe he, I don't know if they've launched his school yet or it's about to, I mean, that's going to be in November or something, I think. That's going to be a major disruptor.

Starting point is 00:16:23 So I mean, we've talked, oh, on the podcast a long time ago about that being one of the biggest sectors that I think is going to get disrupted in this next decade. Don't you still believe that? What are you doing disruptor? If you can curate, like some of the best professors from every school, Ivy League schools

Starting point is 00:16:39 and all these things, and then you just put them in one platform for like a lower cost and you get like a way better presentation and delivery. It's like, I've always wondered like what stops somebody right now from like curating already what's out there on TED Talks. I feel like you could put a curriculum together that is like really good. I think that's what this is going to be like. If education, and I understand the value of state sponsored education. So I understand that there what this is going to be like. If, right? If education, and I understand the value of state-sponsored education,

Starting point is 00:17:07 so I understand that there's value there, but it is it, it's it's quite it to me. Well, well, okay, no, I understand. No, seriously, I do understand it. So when it first happened, it really did bring, it really dramatically improved literacy. That's one measurement, okay. Because now there was something that was covered,

Starting point is 00:17:25 you can send your kids to. And- Sure, because you're comparing to the opposite, which was nothing. Right, so of course. Right, but I think that we are decades now deep into, it's not been good at all. And in fact, because it's state-sponsored,

Starting point is 00:17:40 it hasn't moved, it hasn't changed. I bet you if it was entirely market-based, I think it would look so different today. Of course. Then it does now. It doesn't make any sense that past a certain age, you continue to learn all these other subjects. Name one job where you need to know,

Starting point is 00:17:54 besides teaching other kids in sixth grade, name one job where you know one skill really deep and then the other stuff you don't have to worry about. There's nothing like that, right? So it doesn't make any sense that you're going to go and take all these other subjects, pass a certain age, I guess. It also doesn't make sense that your kids go to school for seven hours a day or six hours a day. You ever talked to homeschool?

Starting point is 00:18:16 It's your podcast or anything. And or that we teach them all the same. We already know how different other people, everybody learns, right? So I mean,, what, one group that fits that perfect mold gets educated while the rest, I always find it weird that you go to university now, you go to a university and they're like, here's the book, you have to buy for this class, it's $300. What?

Starting point is 00:18:35 What do you mean I gotta, I have the first one, it's a paper book. Is, are they still doing that? Yeah, really? You still gotta buy how to do that stuff? I think it's part of his tuition, but yeah, it's a racket, that's why. It's a total racket.

Starting point is 00:18:49 I thought they got rid of that. I thought they were disrupting that already. They're starting to disrupt it, but it's like hilarious how slow it is. You know, we haven't caught up with you on that, off air or on air. Wow, is he liking school? Yeah, he's enjoying it.

Starting point is 00:19:00 Yeah, the independence for sure. That okay, you feel, yeah, because he's got, you know, do his own stuff now. I mean, is this like, I mean, and how are you doing that as a dad? Are you like, is this the longest stretches of time or maybe you won't, how many check-ins prove it? Yeah, as you say, how often are you, are you bugging him?

Starting point is 00:19:16 Oh, I call him most days, and I'll talk to him for like a minute or two, not even maybe like three minutes or a text. Like, hey, what's going on? How's today? That's all. Just see what's going on. But then the other day, I faced him with the family just said, I mean, what's the most different for you as a dad with the Has a Kid in college?

Starting point is 00:19:39 Just not seeing your kid. It's weird, you know, because you don't see him, so they're not around. And then when you do talk to him or when I do see them, you just, you miss them, you just miss your kid. Yeah, yeah. Because otherwise I saw him, you know, because every day, yeah, almost, well, most days, right? Because he was with the mom and the other half of the time.

Starting point is 00:19:57 That's the tough part as your kid moves out. So it's like you say goodbye. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I mean, obviously you're really close and tight to the kids. And so, do you, are you battling yet that struggle of as a dad, I want to see him more. And so, any of his free time, you're wanting him to come that way,

Starting point is 00:20:12 but then also like knowing that I gotta let him kind of do his job. No, I think his mom struggles a lot more with that than I do. Yeah, I, as, I don't know if it's a dad mom thing, but I want him to be independent. I want him to experience things. I want him to experience things. I want him to handle his, like I'll give you guys a silly example. When we dropped him off his mom, she was so mad because he took one pair of shoes. Now you guys know where he's at. I don't want

Starting point is 00:20:35 to go into details just in case, you know, whatever, but where he's at, the weather can change quite a bit so he can get, you can snow, it can whatever. And she's like, he only took one pair of shoes. If it snows, you get real cold, and I kept telling him, but he don't wanna bring other shoes. I'm like, he'll learn. Then he's gonna get cold,

Starting point is 00:20:51 and he'll have to buy some. She's like, I'm gonna mail him the shoes. I'm just gonna send him to him. Don't, like, what? No. He needs to totally, because that's how you build confidence. You just, you figure out a problem.

Starting point is 00:21:03 Oh crap, the socks, my feet are cold. Is that such an Italian mom thing. Oh my God. Just take care of her boy like that. I told you guys how I grew up. It was just I didn't make my bed until I moved out. I mean, make my bed. Okay.

Starting point is 00:21:16 It's so funny because it's like this for good in bed, right? Like it also one of the things I think that's great about your culture, your family, like you guys, especially being I have a very bad, right? Like, it also, one of the things I think that's great about your culture, your family, like you guys, especially being, I have a very opposite, right? Is the tightness, the bond, the, like you, you lean on your family, you know, they got your back, you got their back,

Starting point is 00:21:36 like there's just this incredible, uh, Well, you know what it is, here's why, it's this, I don't think it's like this, maybe it is still like this, but my parents are, they're also poor Sicilian, so it's even more like, you know, like more traditional, I guess. And the reason why it was like that was,

Starting point is 00:21:54 when you were a man, when you got married, your wife took over all that stuff. So your mom did it for you, and your job was to go work and learn how to work. Right, right. And then when you made a wife It's not you needed to know any of this stuff because she would do all that stuff So so like my dad I remember my dad would wake up in the morning and my mom would have his clothes out

Starting point is 00:22:15 I don't even think he knew where his clothes work for a long time. So that okay. I swear to God He would wake up. I remember I never forget I Had one of my friends over and then my dad was yelling from upstairs for my mom, it's like, what's the matter? I'm like, oh, he's an over's underwear. Okay, but here should we get his clothes out for him? Here's a question I have for you. And you are notorious for saying things like this, right?

Starting point is 00:22:35 Like, you know, we should really look at things that have been passed down for generations in hundreds of years. The wisdom, that's in there. That is obviously something that's been passed down for hundreds of years, with culturally, the wisdom that's in the horse. That is obviously something that's been passed down for hundreds of years. Not like your family was the first family to do that stuff. So do you ever investigate that? Like, okay, I'm in a different type of relationship and I live in these times.

Starting point is 00:22:58 Therefore, this is how we do things. But it's like, wait a second, my family did do those things for a reason. Do you see the, obviously you see the draw drawbacks because you saw it, like you said, oh, man, I couldn't even do this and I couldn't do that. But do you also recognize probably some of the role? Let me ask you this, you know, running your business. Is it valuable? Were you and your partners know exactly what your roles are?

Starting point is 00:23:20 You don't question the other person, you just rely on them and you just handle your business? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So families were run like that for a long time. It wasn't like disrespecting by the way. My mom, my dad, it's a pride. That my dad, he took care of his stuff. My mom never had to worry about it.

Starting point is 00:23:36 My mom took care of the other stuff. My dad never had to worry about it. And they depended on each other and they valued and respected each other. They never treated each other. It wasn't like my dad treated my mom like, you know, like a, like a, like a bath mat or whatever, or my mom was like, they respected each other,

Starting point is 00:23:51 did their thing and there was a division of labor and it was very effective. They raised four kids, my, you know, no education, poor immigrants and they did a very good job and it was very efficient and effective. And society has changed so much that the roles are not like that anymore. And I think it caused a lot of problems. Not saying it's necessarily worse, but you got to then figure it out.

Starting point is 00:24:13 Whereas it's already outlined. It used to be outlined. It's just more confusing. Yeah, now it's like, wait. It blurs those lines a lot more. Yeah, and you're doing more. Yeah, it's a lot more. Now we define it.

Starting point is 00:24:21 So, yeah, I totally get that. Yeah. The simplicity. I think, yeah, I totally get that. It's the simplicity. I think that's kind of what every culture ends up, you know, adding a lot of complexity to things. And I mean, it's hard to reevaluate that when you think like we're progressing so far and more modern like ideas, but it's like a lot of the traditional stuff.

Starting point is 00:24:41 There was a lot of things they got right. Well, the big mistake we made being progressive like this was saying, was blurring all those lines and it being okay, but then not educating or helping our generation coming up on how do you manage that? You've been managing it well. Psychate, we push this agenda so much that,

Starting point is 00:25:01 you know, women could do this, men could do that, but it doesn't matter, mixing it all up, but then you don't think like, okay, what are some of the challenges that come with that? And then how do you communicate with your partner to work that out? You just assume that everyone's just gonna do everything? Yeah, yeah, and that's the part where I think we messed up

Starting point is 00:25:16 because I do think that there's, I mean, I know in my household, like Katrina and I, I think you have to figure it out anyway. Right, because she has figured out a way to do it. She has masculine energy, I have feminine have to figure it out anyway. Right. She has figured out a way. She has masculine energy. I have feminine energy that, so there's different roles that we would consider I was considered as flip-flop for traditional values. And it works magically.

Starting point is 00:25:34 But we also had to figure that out. Like there wasn't a blue print. It's a myth that you and your partner are not going to have to, you're going to have to figure this out. Whether it was already defined or not, you're going to have to divide labor because you can't both be responsible for everything because that is problems. But that part isn't communicated. No, it's not communicating.

Starting point is 00:25:52 And we took for granted that it was already defined. That's right, we took for granted the positive of that, right, we all we've talked about for the last 20 years is the negative stuff of what that tradition. Well, even worse, even worse, we made one side look like it was more valuable than the other. In particular, and this is how, this is just,

Starting point is 00:26:11 I think this is a travesty, is that for a while, I remember this in school, you know, like saying that you were a stay at home, was like, oh, really? You don't have a job, like you don't do anything. Like, so we've taken that and not saying one's better than the other, but we've made that look like for a long time, like it's not an important role.

Starting point is 00:26:32 What? Or like, the breadwinners, the most important, that's the person that matters the most. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and yes, definitely if you're the breadwinner, you need to have resources and stuff like that, whether that's the amount of the woman. But you got, you can, you're really gonna tell me that that going and working for someone else

Starting point is 00:26:56 is more valuable than raising your own children. I just had this, I just had this discussion with my aunt, the one that I thought that I had had the five kids that all, she homeschooled all of them and like she said, she was, share with me. So that was going on in the 80s, when she was doing 80s in the 90s. And I remember her, you're just,

Starting point is 00:27:15 this was a current conversation. She telling me that how uncomfortable it would be for her when they go do things with other couples. And I'm just saying she's a homemaker. Yes. And people, what do you do? You know, like, oh, I raised my, oh, you don't work. You don't do anything like that.

Starting point is 00:27:29 And she said that it would be, it would be always, she'd always hate when we go somewhere like that where she did, that that would be the conversation. Because at that time, that was when like that, the big movement started to be like that. And she said, a lot of people would look down upon that that, oh, she just stayed home and did the kids. And it was like, that's so, we had a friend over. We had a friend over.

Starting point is 00:27:49 Good friend of ours, love this person. We had a friend over. And they work, they also have kids and their circumstances requires those types of things. And they asked Jessica, and I remember when I heard this, I was like, oh God, because I could tell, I was like, this is gonna annoy.

Starting point is 00:28:03 This annoyed me, I know it's gonna annoy Jessica. They're like, oh, so what do you do all day? Like, as if Jessica's got all this free time. And the kids are just over there. I can justify. Yeah, and you know, Jessica, I looked at each other, and I told her, I said, you know, honey, the reason why people say that is because I think,

Starting point is 00:28:21 first off, some people raise their kids that way, where they come home from work, they put their kids in front of the TV and they're not actively raising them. I'm like, they just don't have any idea how involved you are. Because raising kids, yeah, you could definitely plug in an iPad and leave your kid and then go surf the internet and do nothing.

Starting point is 00:28:39 I mean, that's half the problems I think we're dealing with. We're doing them in the little jumper by themselves forever. Yeah, no, like just because like, actually I've seen that all day. She's involved, all day she's involved raising the kids, making you know, looking at what they're eating, what they're watching, teaching them, you know, looking at their physical development.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Like it's an all day thing. It's not like she, you know, she's home and the kids are over there. She's well, think about it. You're, you're technically, you're technically, you're technically a full time teacher with no breaks,, no days off, and no clocking out. And you work and in addition to that, if you also manage the house, keeping it clean, cooking,

Starting point is 00:29:14 I mean, it's like, and then you're also running a full-time genitorial and house cleaning service on top of a full-time teaching. I mean, talk about, crazy. It's crazy that we devalued that as much as we did, and it's unfortunate because, and then also didn't talk about it. If we were going to blur all those lines, what does that look like? If we're gonna throw out all these traditional values, okay, what is it gonna replace that?

Starting point is 00:29:39 I mean, it reminds me of that conversation or that when we listen to Jordan Peterson talking about what he said about, you know, church on Sundays, his kids, it's like, okay, that's fine. You don't have to take your kids' church. You don't have to be religious. That's fine. But what are you going to do in replace of that? What are you going to teach your kids as far as morals and values? And it's like, fine, okay, you say what you want to say about a religion or religions or whatever, but then are you going to pick up the rock? Are you going to pick it up from there and then make sure you spend the time?

Starting point is 00:30:07 I just, I hate the whole narrative where my job is more important than your job, or my job is more prestigious, or your job is more prestigious. Anybody who's ever been on a successful lead? Yeah, anybody who's been on a successful sports team, or company, or a band, or whatever, you start getting that attitude, you're done. If you play on a sports team, and you think you're the most badass player of all,

Starting point is 00:30:36 and it's just about you, you're done, your team's all loose. You're not gonna get the rock anymore. That's it, same thing with the classic team. So you could think you're such a bad, I'm the lead singer, you know, like bands. Every, you know, behind the scenes or whatever those, remember those document on music? Yeah, behind the music.

Starting point is 00:30:51 You have the VH one. How do they always end, right? The lead singer thinks he's the most awesome guy in the world and then ends up breaking up the band because Ego gets in the way. And so looking like with that, the granny from Goonies, you see Axel Rose, who looks now. Oh, I so like a very chubby.

Starting point is 00:31:06 I see like a very chubby. And it looks just like that. I mean, one of the things I think that has saved Katrina and I is that we both had that athletic background and that's exactly how I've always been a kid. You're a team dude. It's like, the goal in life is to win, right? We're trying to win at life and be really good at it.

Starting point is 00:31:22 Part of winning at life is being successful, raising good children, being good humans, all these things, right? So if we look at that's the goal to win and you and I are a team, like, does it really fucking matter if you bring the ball up the court or I do or sometimes you shoot it or I shoot it, like if we're scoring and we're winning, that's what matters. And you ran a little faster that time than I did. Like none of that matters. It's like at the end of the day, day, and because she's got an athletic background,

Starting point is 00:31:46 she gets that, you know what I'm saying? Especially since she was like a key role player for a team. As I was. Not only that, but to go even further, I learned this too late in life, I wish I learned this earlier, but this whole 50-50 argument about relationships is bullshit because when you're together, you plan on being together

Starting point is 00:32:07 for 30, 40 years, okay? Are you really going to be able to contribute 50% that entire time? You're not going to go through hardships, you're not going to get ill, you're not going to, it's one person going to have to take on a lot in a certain moment. That's a time. Not even just a moment. Sometimes it could be years. Maybe like years, or whatever that looks like, but then it's, it, it, it totally reverses. And then you just gotta flow with it.

Starting point is 00:32:27 Because we all see eye to eye on that is the reason why this works. It's the number one thing when I talk to other CEOs and founders and companies and they go, wait, there's four owners that split. Like, how do you split the task up? And what do you do when, who, what, what are you doing when you're, if you're working way more than the other guy or this like, you guys can't all task up? And what do you do when, what are you doing when you're,

Starting point is 00:32:45 if you're working way more than the other guy or this like, you guys can't all equally work to save a mile, but yet you have equal to, and it's like, oh my god. Like nobody, I said nobody's looked at it like that. Nobody is ever, each guy values each other so much that nobody is counting the minutes of contribution that this person is doing to it.

Starting point is 00:33:03 It's the ultimate goal is to win. And so long as we're winning, everybody is happy. And they're just like, oh, that's just so crazy. There's also, I also think you have to combine that with, you know, I, if there's ever a moment where I can do something for the team here. And whether that means I'm doing something like I'm flying somewhere or I'm

Starting point is 00:33:26 doing something I actually am like I find pride in it like oh here's my opportunity to contribute in a way to the team where I can provide something I feel good about it so I think I have to combine it with that as well not the whole like otherwise you get into the like you said where well he did that I did this and huh oh my god that So for your opportunities and yeah you contribute where you can. You remember when we first when we the we originally did mind pump we had a fifth partner and I'll never for this one. This was a strong sign that would never work with that other person. After we recorded a couple episodes like okay. So you talked the most the last episode. So now you're going to talk a little more and then I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

Starting point is 00:34:05 I'm gonna do it. And all of us are like, what? This is gonna suck us. I'm gonna do that. It's podcasting. It's gonna suck if we start counting minutes. It's gonna be the most cricket. You know the background.

Starting point is 00:34:17 I know. That's the kind of the natural default for a lot of people though. I get asked that all the time. You know, does it bother you like, you know, like everybody thinks it's Sal's company and this. Oh my God. I hate that.

Starting point is 00:34:27 That makes me. Everybody. Yeah. We talk about it. Yeah. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Starting point is 00:34:36 I'll bring up something interesting. That's a, I would love to hear you guys's thought. I mean, I know you guys are going to come the same conclusion. But I read this study and I know people get it, take it the wrong way, right? So here's a study, ready for this. Study says making your bed makes you 206% more likely to become a millionaire.

Starting point is 00:34:56 All right, so what do you think's happening with that? I mean, that's an easy. All you're correlating is that you've built disciplines and habits and routines, which are extremely important to being financially successful, fit, and many other things. Reverse caus- it's reverse causation, all right? So it's like, people are more likely to be successful, are also more likely to make their bed.

Starting point is 00:35:14 How many people you think reading that, or like, I'm gonna start making my bed. I know, that's the big deal, I know. A millionaire. That's the morning hack. Yeah, that's like, yeah. There's something magic about me. It's like, here is.

Starting point is 00:35:23 I mean, I would, it's, it's, it's, back to our school conversation. I think that's one of the, the biggest, most valuable things about school is the fact that you discipline, especially when you go past like high school, right? When you actually have the option to go, right? When you go to college, yeah, the most important part is not what you learned in it. It's literally that you discipline yourself to get up every single morning, show up to the classes, do the work to pass the test,

Starting point is 00:35:50 and you didn't just do that for a week or two, you did that for four years or longer. Those characteristics transfer into so many other aspects of being successful in life. That is the hands down most valuable thing that it offers. Unless you're into some very specialty degree, where you had, you know, let's say you're being a doctor and you got to learn a lot of things like that, but for the most part, and even then, I would still argue that the behaviors that you and the disciplines that

Starting point is 00:36:17 you that you gained from doing that are probably the most. You know, that's the argument for, because I know the military, I know medical school did this for a little while where they were, they were adding limits, I think, or restrictions to how much you could have. You know, when kids graduate medical school that you residency, and in the old days,

Starting point is 00:36:38 you would just, you would get, it would hammer you with hours, right? And they started putting limits on it. And I remember training a bunch of old school doctors, and I remember them being so annoyed with that. I like, no, no, what are they doing? They're not gonna prepare these guys.

Starting point is 00:36:50 These people are gonna come out, they're gonna go in the ER, they're gonna crack. They need to like push them, and they remember them telling that to me. Military, the military's been doing that for a little while too, where they lower the standards or make it safer, easier, and then you hear people who go out and serve in war and like what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:37:07 Right you go out to war they're not Connecting them care. Yeah, you got it. You got to go through the fire man. Yeah a machine. Yeah You know it's been of limiting so you know, I've told you guys Max's thing with time two minutes if two minutes like yes, no Yeah, two minutes just that means it's time stop. So it's like, that's the universal. You got two more minutes and you're done with that. Two more minutes, those dinner, two more minutes, we gotta go to school, everything's two minutes, right?

Starting point is 00:37:32 And so we're in the bath last night. And whatever he loves, when I take a bath with him, because that means dad's full time playing in the bath, right? Like that's all we do is act out characters and sounds and we're doing so like that. And honestly, sometimes I'm like, I just wanna soak in the bathroom in it.

Starting point is 00:37:46 I don't wanna have to do this, but that's like, you know, whatever, right? So that's my thing with him. So we're playing. And the kind of the routine is that him and I will do that for a while, that gives Katrina time to get everything ready for bed and do her thing.

Starting point is 00:37:58 And then she'll come in when it's almost time to pull him out. She'll be like, all right, Max, two minutes, you have left, right? And he makes me do like the voices of the characters and I got it like I cannot just sit in there like I have to always be holding at least one or two and if I set my hands down he grabs my hands and it's like no no you're going to be this and so we're doing the characters and stuff. And Katrina came in Max two more minutes two more minutes okay okay mommy and then it gave me a break of character play for it. So I say hey, how is school today stop talking

Starting point is 00:38:25 He goes stop talking he goes you're you're wasting minutes My god Katrina like fell over she's our laugh. It's all right. Oh my god. It's the first thing you ever told me that stop talking Yeah, I'm just asking you as cool as you're wasting minutes Back to character. Oh, yeah, it's like you have to laugh, dude. It's just the stuff that they pick up man and then they repeat or say and it's just like dude. He's definitely at that fun, that fun age.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Yeah, I do stories with the railiest. You'll say things just, I'm like, where did you learn? Yeah, like where did you pick that up? Yeah, like he said bodacious. bodacious? You know, and he's like, he was certainly an injured turtle. And I couldn't at first, I thought I'd understand. Like, what are you saying? What are you saying? And I'm

Starting point is 00:39:11 like, are you saying bodacious? He's like, yes, like what? Yeah. And then it was from a Kung Fu Panda. Okay. And the very beginning, like the opening, he talked about as bodacious, like skills or something. And that's where he got. Yeah, he also understood electrocute. I was drawing characters for him. He loves it when I tell stories about monsters, which is cool, because I love towing monsters. So I drew them out for him.

Starting point is 00:39:31 I made like an ice monster or rock, it's always a cool team, by the way. I'm really good at these, by the way. You should come and kill monsters. I'll have to look at your story. Yeah, so that combined their powers and this map, I drew an electricity monster. He goes, oh, but why is he going to electrocute?

Starting point is 00:39:44 He's going to electrocute the other guy. He's like, how do you know that? How'd you know that? That's what that means. When he understands concepts, I told you guys to bring home the bacon one of the day. I'm like, how in the world would you even know that? We're playing his, of course.

Starting point is 00:39:55 We're always playing Mario and Bowser and he's like, ah, vampire Bowser. I'm like, vampire Bowser, there's no vampire Bowser. Daddy, I'm using my imagination. Okay, that's fair. Yes, you are. Like what? And then just the fact that you understand that concept,

Starting point is 00:40:09 you know what I'm saying? I think that's hilarious. Dude, I told you guys about the coloring books they got for everyone. Oh, Walmart people. Yeah, yeah. So we also found some like bandages because I was like, these bandages are laying.

Starting point is 00:40:20 They're gonna have something cool. They have like literally like bacon strips. Like see, you put on, it looks like bacon strips. I'm like, what else do they have on the internet? We're like going through all this stuff. I'm like, if I was a kid and I wanted to like find something really stupid and silly, you know, dude, there's so many great options.

Starting point is 00:40:37 He was like taking me through all this stuff and we're like buying stupid. You know what side hustle I wanna do? And this is so bad that we created this monster is The little round bath salt Basalt do you guys are you bath bombs? Yes, okay, and they have like a toy inside of them. Oh what? Yes, this is like and I they're and they're not that it's like foam ones that can expand You throw it in there and it just dissolves right? It's a bath. It's a bath bomb or whatever

Starting point is 00:41:04 but inside of it is a as a toy and So it's just dissolved, right? It's a bath bomb or whatever. But inside of it is a toy. And that's been like the traditional thing that everybody buys him. And so he loves those things. And I don't even know what the price is on them, but they're not. They're-

Starting point is 00:41:16 The margins gotta be huge. Yeah, the margins gotta be huge. And you could totally, okay, I so wanna do this. So maybe somebody figure out how to make this. They look like they're out how to make this. They look like they're pretty basic to put together. And what a brilliant way to recycle. I mean, I must have thousands of these little itty-b toys

Starting point is 00:41:31 that he wouldn't even know is gone. Turn right around and make my own and then turn around and flip and sell those things. I bet you, I bet you there's an at-home way to make them. They are, where you can just make it yourself. Here is, there is a way to do it. I know, look it up, Doug. I know I, and make your own bath bomb and I know they're not

Starting point is 00:41:45 It can't be expensive. It's basically salt and Flag Zombies Look at all kinds of crazy shit bath bomb No, I've seen people like on Etsy and stuff that are doing this. Have you seen the ones for adults that you put them in the shower And then they let out like you could lip just or whatever Yeah, they per? Yeah, I've done the VIX one before when I was sick.

Starting point is 00:42:07 Oh, you did? You remind me of like, I remember bath toys that were like really simplistic. And I don't know if you remember they were like in pills and you like put it in there and then they expanded to like foam dinosaurs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, those are awesome.

Starting point is 00:42:21 Yeah. I liked bath toys and these are the ones I still get for my kids that like motor boats and some reins and shit like that actually go through the water and like sharks. Did you know you can make so you can make a paper boat and put a little piece of soap in the back and that'll propel it. Do you guys know that?

Starting point is 00:42:36 No, if you put it in water because it breaks the surface tension, you know, soap does that. Yeah. And it'll it'll scoot itself around. There's a like doing it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a little dad back. Did you look up and make it make it yourself? around. There's a like doing it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a little backpack.

Starting point is 00:42:46 Did you look up and make it yourself? Yeah, there's a YouTube video. See? It's always a YouTube video. I think they sell for a couple bucks per ball. And I bet you can make them for nothing. How to make kids toy surprise for the bathroom? Is that what it said?

Starting point is 00:42:58 Yeah. Oh, this will be fun. I'm gonna make this. Yeah. Tell me like this. Okay, and I have so many of these tiny little toys laying around that I could totally redo it. I'm like, why are, I took a train of wire

Starting point is 00:43:11 we getting shit like, we don't buy them. People buy them from like all his family buys them. So I'm like, okay, good, cause I don't want us wasting money on this. This is crazy, because we could literally recycle it. He would not be the wiser. There's a lot of times he gets the same ones over anyways. See, look at 799.

Starting point is 00:43:24 For one. For one. Oh, it's a hot wheels one, that's why. Yeah, look at 799. They're not for one. Oh, it's a Hot Wheels one, that's why. Yeah, but I mean, in the other car, a 9 pack for 24. They're not cheap. You know, it's funny. I'm like, oh man, I'm like hearing you guys.

Starting point is 00:43:34 I'm like, I missed that, you know, that window. Like I'm over, I'm gone, right? Yeah. And the kids are too old. But the Hot Wheels, like we actually reinvigorated, like ever it does, like this this track so we have this whole like all the way from up on top of this like orange ones from yeah so you know how the big drop off from my back deck like it goes down like we have one going from the deck and then all the way down

Starting point is 00:43:56 and then like like jumping it and stuff and I'm like dude I'm like and he's 10 he's almost 11 but he's like still into that kind of something like, you know, it's fun. Have you seen, have you guys seen, I would never do this because I don't know how to do it, but you, you might be able to, have you ever seen people make little, uh, roller coaster tracks and their backyards? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:44:16 Yeah. I've seen some pretty cool ones where like, it's all by momentum. So you get at the top and you're good. Well, they're, yeah, I've seen people like make like some serious tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can't imagine that being cheap though. No Yeah, without having that skill like you need that skill to be able to weld like that to be able to do some time off You guys I'm making it Roller coaster track

Starting point is 00:44:37 All right kids. Oh shit What happened? You're good. I think Katrina would let me do something like that Hey, I wanted to comment on something because this is such a, in our space, well, I think in every space, a tell, tale, clue, or, you know, sign that you're crushing is when other companies begin to copy you and then attack you, right?

Starting point is 00:45:01 So if you come out with a product, and- Both at once. You come out with a product and you start, when you start to make waves is when, and you know is when other companies come out with copycat products, are you guys seeing all the copycat element products,

Starting point is 00:45:15 all the element that you copy? Electrolite powders, now all of a sudden. I've seen some really stupid ads here. Oh, this is too much salt and this is- That's the whole point. Yeah, that's why I know, that's why I know. Oh, you mean the doctor integrity? Oh, that's the point. Is that who did that one? Doctor, it was doctor integrity, and this is that's the whole point. Yeah, I know. I know. That's why you mean the doctor integrity What's that who did that one doctor? It was doctor integrity. Yeah, God. He's so irrelevant. He's a winner

Starting point is 00:45:32 It's too much sodium for what for he needs a stick with gummy bears and just go away Yeah, you know, I actually you know, he's been quiet I don't know. Maybe that's because we all got blocked from all his stuff And so I don't see a lot of it. But when we first started, he was popular in the space. Like a lot. Like I heard a lot his name throwing around. We went on a other than this, you're bringing him up right now. Like I can't remember the last time I'd even seen him.

Starting point is 00:45:57 Yeah. Thank you. Well, too, what was the one guy that just recently got to, he was the primal, oh, yeah, yeah. Liver King. Liver King guy. I haven't heard from him. Oh, somebody did a post on him.

Starting point is 00:46:09 He's like, I'm, I've been natural now for three months. It looks the same. Well, are you? Really? I wonder if we're going to see him. I still people today. And I know why you think we'll see the liver king and I don't know if he's an Olympia type of guy or not.

Starting point is 00:46:22 I don't know who's going to, I actually, we've announced that, and I actually haven't heard a lot of people tell me that they're gonna be there. I wonder if because it's in Florida that will, I mean, I thought we still have a huge falling in Florida, so I would think we would, but maybe, remember that, remember when we had, who was it?

Starting point is 00:46:40 Do we have someone on the show you brought up? I think it was Jeremy Buen Dia or somebody, right? Like a bodybuilder. Oh, it was at a live event. Yeah, and everyone was like silent. No one knew who he was. Yeah, no. And so I was like, you know, maybe like our,

Starting point is 00:46:54 we as a like a podcast is just completely moved away from that space. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, we have some competitors. I know we have some of them in our inside of our forum. And we just talked about great city. Well, the Olympia is not just bodybuilding anymore though. It's been now fitness full-ride.

Starting point is 00:47:09 You're right. But it's still known for that. It is. You know what I'm saying? That's still the big. You know what I can't wait to do? This is what I, so I've been to a couple of our most experienced.

Starting point is 00:47:17 No, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, you do want to do that. No, I don't. Maybe. I really enjoy doing this at these conventions. What's that? You didn't know that supplements. Take it know that supplements. I know exactly. Yeah. Yeah, because you know Halloween for him. They're handing out so many packets of things and

Starting point is 00:47:31 What I do we put a blindfold on you and just like see what you think it is. It doesn't matter So I'm gonna take everything at the same time. So we don't know what's down the hash. It's doing what happened Speaking of taking things just that you were mentioning Element with your headaches. I was, yeah. And so what happened? Well, I remember, I don't know if it was a study I was reading, but like it was, because originally like the caffeine and then the aspirin, combo, whatever, like that was kind of like the go-to because I get really bad severe headaches, but

Starting point is 00:48:00 like the dehydration component there and like the intramuscular water, like all this stuff, like I guess the more your deficient insult, like too, that adds into like headaches. And I used to get them all the time. I don't get them much anymore, but like sometimes they get really like powerful headaches and so I decided this time to try,

Starting point is 00:48:22 you know, maybe like drinking some element tea and it totally helps. Yeah, look up the studies on it. Look up migraines and sodium and there's a very strong correlation in several studies on that. Jessica gets migraines so bad that they're frightening. Like when she was a kid, she used to get them and she... Yes, tried like green light and all kinds of stuff. Everything. When she was a kid, in fact, she was so young when she first started getting them, that they got, you know, they did MRIs and stuff, sitting stuff. Everything. When she was a kid, in fact, she was so young when she first started getting them,

Starting point is 00:48:45 that they got, you know, they did MRIs and stuff, sitting on the side. I used to get more bad. And element, element, element, he's made a big difference. She'll still get them, but I'm trying to think now, it's pretty rare now.

Starting point is 00:48:56 When I was first with her, it would happen once a month, where she would get a headache so bad. It's like she wants to pull her hair out. Like it's really, really bad. Now she'll get a headache, but not quite to that point. Yeah, I think it was in my blood pressure. It was like really high in the head issues. That was a contributor. So when Adam gave you that, too much from all the stuff. What do you know the number? Do you know what booth number we're at?

Starting point is 00:49:19 When we're at the Olympia? 1301. 1301. Yeah, that's Friday, the third of November from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and then from 12 to four on Saturday, that's four. Oh, two days were there. Yeah. Two days, it's gonna be a good time. Four hours each. Oh, hey Adam, I wanna bring this up too.

Starting point is 00:49:36 Did you hear what Netflix is gonna be doing? What? I'm surprised, because you're like so big on this kind of stuff. I don't know, I don't know. Well, tell me. So in 2025, Netflix will be opening its first physical location known as Netflix houses. No, I did not know that.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Yeah, so with a mix of retail, food, and live theatrics, the houses will be something of a modernized experienced first theater. Electric actors? So like to give an example, visitors will be able to try a squid game, obstacle course, for instance. Interesting. Yeah, so it's probably like you'll be able to watch maybe like new releases there that

Starting point is 00:50:13 are not on Netflix. Right. Imagine going to this makes a lot of sense. Like imagine going to a place like, what's the one that you guys all love that you used? Stranger Things? Yes. Like a Stranger's themed house. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:26 And go watch like the premiere. I see. Or what a great way to get the hardcore fans. Yeah. You already have it built in right? Yeah, these hard show event. Huh. This to me serve popcorn, like almost like it's own movie theater

Starting point is 00:50:38 type of experience and more stuff. Strangely things and we're crap. 100% and I think that this will be that, because theaters are already are trying to figure out what the hell to do because people are going to the movies less than last. You do have to do some kind of new entertainment involved. It has to be an experience not just watching something because everybody watches things. Yeah, imagine you go watch that like you can go watch the episodes at like one of these houses. Like maybe maybe they're released like a couple days early or maybe the day that they're really like you're a hardcore fan, you want to go watch it with the hardcore fans. Yeah. And there's like things there besides just watching. Sure. Like some of the actors dressed up and costume and all that. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well, she would happens. That's 2025. That's going to be a big

Starting point is 00:51:19 a big risk, but I think Netflix, I believe it's going to crush. That's what I think. Yeah, I know, that's really interesting. You know what, I was let down on the old dad. Oh, I don't watch it, it was bad. It wasn't bad, it was just me. Really? I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a lot better. Was it too predictable?

Starting point is 00:51:39 It was too, so. The trailer made me think it was a little predictable. Well, I mean, it's obviously, I mean, it's all very predictable. There's nothing at all like that you couldn't figure out. It's way different than his standup like the real. So I thought it was gonna be funny because they definitely kind of came after woke culture.

Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah. And, but they tried too hard to come after woke culture that it was like, they made every example they could of like extreme. Okay. Which it was a comedy. So I get why you kind of did that. And I don't know. It was over the top dumb in that sense.

Starting point is 00:52:11 And so I thought, man, it could, I think, I think Bill Burst funny enough as it is. I think the dynamic between the other comedian guys could have been good just by having like a more real normal story. But I think they, they like double and triple down. That's too bad. Yeah. I don't know. I'm curious for you. I mean, it's think they, they like double and triple down. That's too bad. Yeah, it was a forward one. I don't know, I'm curious for you. I mean, it's, you guys don't watch it.

Starting point is 00:52:28 Yeah, still watch it. Like it's worth to like watch it, like cause there's some funny parts in it, but I was really excited about it. I thought, oh, this is gonna be really funny. And I thought it was, The premise is great. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:39 That's what I thought. I thought the premise was pretty good. And I thought, oh, we need something like this to kind of like poke at it a little bit. But then even, even thought I went like a little too far like, okay, well, that's like two extreme. Really? Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. I'll watch it. Yeah, I want to hear what you guys think. So we can talk about it afterwards. I'll watch it. You know what? I'm really interested in watching right now just to make a little bit of a left turn. And I don't know if you're talking to your your family that are all in finance and money.

Starting point is 00:53:06 But this is the month when all of the the school loans are turned back on. So during the pandemic suspended on. Yeah, they suspended and deferred all of it. And so that's going to be like the average person. How many people do you want to bend? Took that pause, and instead of saving that money, spent it. Of course. You, you, you, you add that to a lot of the, people are so funny with their people. The companies that got all kinds of money

Starting point is 00:53:34 on low interest rates that are all coming back around 8%. So the prediction is that, or my prediction, I'm gonna say is that, you know, they've been talking about like soft landing, soft landing. But if this was the last interest rate hike, which we still might see one more in November, but let's say it's not one more. If you look back historically

Starting point is 00:53:54 on all the major recessions that we had, it doesn't technically happen until 11. There's a lag. Yeah, 11 month, lag. After the last interest rate. And so we've been raising the interest rate, interest rate raising, raising the interest rate. That's all that video you sent.

Starting point is 00:54:07 It was interesting because the Fed, people who work for the Fed said that there's like a 10% chance there's gonna be a hard recession. And then the Bank of America, 20% of them then said, it was gonna be a hard recession. And then they interviewed CEOs, 80 something percent said, oh no, and it was Patrick Beddavit. And he goes, I wonder why 80 something percent said, oh no. And it was Patrick Beddavit.

Starting point is 00:54:26 And he goes, I wonder why 80 something, maybe because they know what their debt is looking like with the new interest rates. And no, they can't pay it because it's going from 3% all the way to like 8% than knowing that like, well, we can't make up on that. I didn't rise to how many, did you catch the part two where a lot of these guys did,

Starting point is 00:54:44 where they loaned money at 3% and then they turned around and were Investing it and getting 6% no. Yeah, yeah That's all gonna get up and did right because that they they were it was like hey take all this money Why the banks are given to you at 3% you could turn right around Reinvest it make 6% so you're making 3% on not even your money. And that game, that game is up. So you'll no longer be able to do that. And so all those people will have to give back that money. And so, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens this, this coming year right now, because I think what, nothing that's interesting is, I don't know if

Starting point is 00:55:17 I saw the legislation that European Union is trying to pass to, to regulate internet, basically. I mean, isn't Canada going to that right now? It is, but you throw Europe on top of it, huge market. And essentially, what it's saying is that they're going to be able to go through your algorithm. They're going to be able to decide, essentially, the language allows them to decide what is considered

Starting point is 00:55:38 misinformation or not, which we know that could be. So we'll see what happens, dude. I think the market will respond with people using, you know, VPNs and sites that are going to be skirting around it, type of deal. But the big dogs, they're going to get fined. If they break these, these rules, they could get fined up to 6% of their annual revenue worldwide. Wow. Wow. Now, okay, because Starlink is a whole different thing, right?

Starting point is 00:56:10 Would people technically be able to do workarounds or they could then use something like that to get access to the internet and like, I pass it. Well, you said VPNs. Well, to give an example, like Google, like 20 something percent, I don't know, what percent, but you have a lot of employees in Europe, right? So that's where they will have the power as they say, we can impose these things in

Starting point is 00:56:31 your offices. Oh, I see. And you're on the workplace. Yeah. So micromanage is terrible. This is terrible, by the way. I get that there's some things and the way what they do is they, they, of course, they package it with stuff that everybody agrees upon, right?

Starting point is 00:56:45 Like we're gonna try and stop, child pornography, we're gonna try and stop, we're using bad things, yes. But the language basically is like we decide what is right and wrong. And I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. They're like, oh, we don't control the narrative

Starting point is 00:57:01 like we used to, we need to clamp down on, you know, all these huge internet companies. And we need to. We need to clamp down on, you know, these huge internet companies. And we need to, you know, see this for a few years until they realize that it's way too far beyond the reach. I don't know. I don't know. All right, so the shout out, Jim Quick.

Starting point is 00:57:17 Jim Quick, do we have his Instagram? Good old Jimmy. Yeah, great. You know, we had him on the show recently, haven't aired the episode, but I really enjoyed that last interview. I can't wait to release it. It's really good to know him.

Starting point is 00:57:30 Yeah. That was probably, I mean, this is now the third time that we've linked up. First time in and out, didn't really get to know him that much. Second time, we had a good, I think, zoom one, and then this is the third time that we have. My favorite one. I agree. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, and I think what that, you know, what, and you know, people hear him talk about it in the episode is that you assume he's this big extrovert because of Ted Talks

Starting point is 00:57:53 and all the stuff that he does, but he's really an introvert by, by nature, you know, and so it took a couple of times of hanging out with him before I think he kind of opened up a little bit. I think we got to see. I mean, you want to learn how to learn, how to memorize, how to improve your memory, your recall, his techniques are exceptional. That's what's made him so big. But Jim Quake is K, K-W-I-K, check him out.

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Starting point is 00:58:48 Use the code MindPumping at 20% off. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Michaela from Florida. Hi, Michaela. How can we help you? Hello, how are you guys? Great, great. How are you?

Starting point is 00:59:00 I'm good. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, what's your question? So my question was about adding more density and width to the lateral part of my quads. To give a little bit of background, I am an like upcoming wellness competitor. I'm going into essentially a redo of my rookie amateur season. I went through a full prep. There were some issues with coaching and me not being ready because of dishonesty with the coach that I was working with. And so the leaner that I got,

Starting point is 00:59:50 And so the leaner that I got, the more that we realized I had good mass in the intermediates and the middle part of my quad, but not in my lateral. And I'm in a growth phase right now. My legs are growing, but my lateral is super, super, super stubborn. And so that's the biggest issue that I'm having with growth. And so I'm kind of wondering what I can do as far as growing that part of my leg. I love bodybuilding coaches. Yeah, I know. So, okay.

Starting point is 01:00:18 So, you know, with some muscles, there's more you can do in terms of shaping the actual muscle itself and with other muscles There's not a lot, okay? It all depends on the insertion and origin and the action of the muscle So a good example of a muscle that I can really have a lot of influence over the shape of it would be like the pecs because Where it inserts at the at the stern, there's a lot of insertion points there at the sternum. So I can go upper, middle, and lower. With the quads, you have very little that you can do. Now, some studies will show you can activate, you know, because what you're looking for is that what they would call the sweep of the quad. This will bodybuild refer to as a sweep, right? The tear drop being the inner part and the sweep being the outer part. And I mean, if we go based off the studies,

Starting point is 01:01:10 you know, where we'll see a little more activation of one or the other, you're probably going to go with more of a narrow stance with your squats and your leg presses. If you want more of the teardrop, you're focusing on the stretch part, more of the squeeze at the top would maybe get the more lateral part with like a leg extension. But leg extension is not a big muscle builder to begin with. So I'm always weary of some of these studies because I'm like, okay, so you see more activation studies

Starting point is 01:01:36 don't mean a whole lot. To me personally, because I've seen studies that say this activates more of this area, but then I know for a fact, there's other exercises that are superior. Let me give you what's really going to move the needle here and what really fucking matters that these bodybuilding coaches try and they try and make themselves seem so much more valuable by, oh, if we do this, you know, pigeon till your right foot in while you do this

Starting point is 01:01:58 exercise, we'll get more of this part of it. It's like, here, let me ask you, I'm gonna name some exercises that I think are tremendous and have tremendous value. Walking barbell lunges, Bulgarian splits quats, single leg press, sumo deadlifts. Of those exercises I just listed off, which one do you neglect the most or which one do you do the most?

Starting point is 01:02:22 neglect the most or which one do you do the most? I do walking lunges every single quad focus leg day. I actually, it's too much deadlift and kind of work in like a power of lifting style into most of my leg days, especially on my hamstring focus. Okay. I think the one that I probably neglect the most is Bulgarians. Okay. Um, I think the one that I probably neglect the most is Bulgarians. Okay. Um, and single leg leg press. Beautiful.

Starting point is 01:02:51 There's those two movements. Add those into your routine. Get fucking strongest shit on those two things. You know what'll make the biggest difference on stage is going to be how you present your body because a really good competitor on stage knows how to present their body to accentuate their strengths and to hide their weaknesses. You can do this with your quads quite a bit. So what you would do is look in the mirror, watch how you position your foot, how you bend

Starting point is 01:03:16 your knee, how you flex your quad, and see which one seems to make a difference in terms of the appearance. That'll make a far bigger difference than trying to develop one part of the quad more than the other. I mean, if you look at the anatomy of the quad, where the muscles attach, they're so close to each other, and they really, what do they do?

Starting point is 01:03:38 They extend the knee. There's some stability going on laterally too, but they really just extend the knee. So, all exercises that extend the, working all heads of the quadriceps. So that's why I'm saying like, this is like one of those splitting hairs, things that it's really annoying that bodybuilders will talk about. And generally what they find is the one that develops the quads the most is the one that gives them the look that they're looking for.

Starting point is 01:04:01 This is exactly why, the reason why I asked you the question I asked, and the reason why I gave that quick advice on what is going to make the sweep of your quad look better is nothing is gonna make your quads look better than developing your quads. Nothing is going to build more muscle in the area that you want than exercises that put on the most muscle in the quads.

Starting point is 01:04:19 This idea of let's do an exercise, let's say on a machine and position your foot inward while you do a leg extension, you are only gonna build a fraction of the muscle you will build by doing Bulgarian split squats. If you don't do Bulgarian split squats, go get fucking strong on that and you'll build way more of a sweep

Starting point is 01:04:37 than you will ever doing any specific exercise to target the sweep of your squats. Because every quad exercises incorporates all of the quad. So this idea that some of these bodybuilding coaches have where they're like, oh, we're gonna hit this one little area and think that you're gonna develop that, like it's a big muscle. And if you want it to be more pronounced,

Starting point is 01:04:57 the best thing we can do are exercises that we do. Sounds like you're already doing a lot of good ones. I'm sure you're doing barbell back squats. I'm sure you're doing front squats. You said you're doing walking lunges with barbell, those are all killers. And I just assume you were doing those so I didn't bring them up.

Starting point is 01:05:10 But I'll tell you some other good ones is a single leg leg press because you can get really heavy at that. And you'll notice that development in there and doing unilateral work because when you get really good at bilateral work like being a power lifter, it's less about sculpting the body

Starting point is 01:05:24 and focusing on that muscle. It's more about moving the most weight you possibly can. So you're doing some unilateral, heavy loading type stuff is gonna be great for that. That's why I said single leg press, Bulgarian split squats, watch what that does to your quads. By you just focusing on the...

Starting point is 01:05:39 In slight elevation of your heel, we'll give you more quad in all those exercises. So like if you wear squat shoes, where your heel is elevated a little bit, it'll give you more knee flexion and extension. Meaning you're going to get more quad activation with your heels slightly lifted. So you want more quad focus when you're doing your leg exercises, your squats, your leg press, whatever, wear squat shoes and that'll give you a little bit more quad activation. And the biggest difference that makes client A

Starting point is 01:06:05 versus client B, the sweep of their quad or the width of their shoulders, is genetics. Like your quads look the way they do, not because you're not good at doing certain exercises, because genetically that's how your quads are built up. And you getting as lean as shit is going to show the best version of your quads.

Starting point is 01:06:23 And if you want to develop a part of the quads, it's developing any part of the quads. What can we do to build your quads in general? So for me, if I have an experienced lifter like you who's already doing a lot of good stuff, I'm looking for novel, big bang exercises that I could get you to do and get good at. And if you told me Bulgarian splits quads

Starting point is 01:06:41 are ones you don't do a lot, you don't put a lot in it, it's like, let's go get strong in that. Now this show you don't go full. This advice is for the quads, right? So ones you don't do a lot, you don't put a lot of it, it's like, let's go get strong in that. Now, this show you don't go too long. This advice is for the quads, right? So if you ask this about the shoulders, well, I can give you exercises that are gonna hit the lateral, the front, the side, or the rear. If you tell me chest, I can do more upper, middle, or lower,

Starting point is 01:06:58 but with the quads, it's not really, it's not really, the focus is not gonna really yield you in your results. You're much better off just really, the focus is not gonna really yield you in your results. You're much better off just really developing the quads. But I would still, I would still even, even talking, maybe the shoulders a little bit different because you have the, the rear and the front. But chest, even I would say the same thing is like, if you want a, the lower part of your

Starting point is 01:07:19 chest to be developed, let's just say, and you never do incline chest press, I would say go do incline chest press, even though they would someone who is a biomechanics nerd would be like, oh, well, that's not targeting more of the lower part of chest. That's more of the upper chest. I know that, but I know that if that's an exercise you never do and it's novel, you're going to get the most growth in your chest, which will also make the lower part of the chest look good. These same rules apply when we're talking about the clues.

Starting point is 01:07:46 You get the point, right? You get the point where we're trying to make, right, Michaela? Yeah. Now, the second party question has to do with the hamstrings. I don't think so, did I? Yeah, it says protrusion of my hamstrings. You're looking for that, too. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:08:01 So, yeah, that was about two months ago when I said that. And that's when I started adding in two-month deadlifts. Oh, okay, so yeah, that was about two months ago when I said that and that's when I started adding in two-month deadlifts. Oh, awesome. Two of my hamstrings and my growth in my posterior chain sky rocket. Oh, excellent. And right there is an example of what we're talking about right now. Like you could get somebody who might go like, oh, you want the standing leg curl. Yeah, yeah, you want the insertion of the hamstring to that glute, that tie-in.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Oh, we should do more, the donkey kickbacks, or we should do more, like they'll give you some specific exercise that targets that area better. But you know what you did? You went and did a big bang for your buck exercise that you didn't do a lot of, and you saw incredible results in your hamstrings. Same role applies to what we're talking about right now.

Starting point is 01:08:40 Like that's the secret. Secret sauce, when you're trying to develop a muscle to look a certain way, bodybuilder coaches and bodybuilders in general will go like this. Let's look for this exercise that targets its more. No, what we'll do it is finding what is a good exercise for that muscle in general that you don't ever do or don't do a lot of,

Starting point is 01:08:59 go get good at it. That's gonna build the most there. Okay, awesome, thank you. Cool. Yeah, you got it. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. You got it. That's going to build the most there. Okay, awesome. Thank you. Cool. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Yeah, they get carried away with that whole sculpting and shaping. I guess at some muscles, you have some control, right? We use a deltoids, a chest. It's not arguing that. But no, but like some, like other muscles, they'll do this with biceps. You know, this hits the outer part This hits the inner part. They'll do this with all kinds of other muscles

Starting point is 01:09:28 Some muscles it makes sense triceps if you stretch the tricep you'll get more long head Activation, but you know, I wouldn't even do that until you got really big ass muscle Okay, here listen Let's use your because the shoulders may has the best argument for kind of where you're going Yeah, let me let me let me even round this out even more you do Front dumbbell raises you do lateral raises you do rear flies in the equal amount, and that's what you've done to shape your shoulders up. That's all you do.

Starting point is 01:09:52 And you come to me and you say, Adam, I want to build my rear delts. Go overhead press. Go barbell overhead press. Or why? Because it's a big gross motor movement. It's going to pack on the most muscle on your shoulders, and you're not even doing it.

Starting point is 01:10:05 Also, you gotta keep in mind, like a lot of this advice comes from very well developed bodybuilders. When you get to a point where you've got really big gym all day long. Now you start to play with, okay, I gotta start every workout with a rear flies, right? But 100% because that guy isn't missing Bulgarian squats.

Starting point is 01:10:23 He's not missing, and he's doing all all those things and he's still in the fucking gym for his second time of his 14th time. He's going to show up to the gym that week. So it makes a little bit of sense to do some of this like little movements up. But when I talk to the average person who's trying to get into bodybuilding or they've only done one or two shows. It's like this getting this, it's a way for bodybuilding coaches

Starting point is 01:10:48 to sound smarter than what they really are. It's like, let me show you what I know about anatomy and biomechanics of an exercise and oh, you feel that we're hitting the sweetest. It's not even though it's not even an anatomy and biomechanics. It's a bro science. I mean, a lot of times it is.

Starting point is 01:11:01 Bro mechanics. Sometimes there's some, I mean, there's like shout out to people like the hypertrophy coach. I think he's got incredible like very, very smart guy and stuff like that. But and in the points that he makes on his and his social, I think is very valid for his audience that he's talking to. I just, I've well, I've dealt with both high level competitors and average population, my, my career. And I know that most even competitors are missing out on some of the stuff that I would coach the general population on first. What is this wellness category?

Starting point is 01:11:32 Is this new category? It's a new category. Yeah, so it was like, there was figure. It's between figure and bikini. So figure got really like too shredded. Yeah. And bikini came in and that started getting too shredded. Then they brought in wellness. So it's a little bit more soft.

Starting point is 01:11:44 Yeah, it's supposed to be more healthy. I mean, and for them, when they do this, every time they open up a new category that seems more attainable. It exaggerates the rest of them. They will know, they attract more competitors. They grow every time you do that. And this is like, this is, they figured this out

Starting point is 01:12:00 when they first introduced physique. They introduced physique and all of a sudden all these people wanted to compete again, you know, on stage. You can look at bodybuilder. Yeah, well not a classic bodybuilder, which is in between bodybuilder and physique. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:12 Our next caller is Bobby from Virginia. Bobby, what's up? Hey, you look familiar. Hey, good morning. I get that all the time, but I never seen you all. Oh, wow, really? Oh, I totally thought maybe you called him before. No shit. No, no, no, I I get I but I get this everywhere I go. So join the crowd. All right.

Starting point is 01:12:30 All right. Thanks for having me on today. I really appreciate your show and everything I've learned from you so far. Cool. So go ahead and jump into that. Yeah. Yeah. What's your question? What's your question? Okay. So just a little background. In 2020, I found myself at 350 four pounds, started making a body decision mainly because of a surgery. That's how I found out how heavy I was and got myself down to about 195. And when I wrote you this question, I was going to join a body fit challenge to try to get myself from when I was at the time a 9.25% body fat down to see if I could get myself to like five or below or whatever I

Starting point is 01:13:09 Decided before go that event at this time just due to listening to you all and everything but I so I started maps and a Pollock and I've gone from a 195 to about 205 and that's just been in the pre-phase Things so I'm freaking out a little bit because that's a lot of weight, you know, I mean, again, I have this kind of mental thing now, I've been losing so much weight, but I haven't tested my body fat yet. I'm going to do it next month just to see where I'm at just to make sure that I'm, you know, am gaining muscle. I feel like I am because the strength and size of clothes and that sort of thing, but

Starting point is 01:13:52 anyways, I'm 45, six flip five, so I know I my body can probably take on a lot more muscle and pounds, but again, so I wanted your recommendation on how what I need to do to what you would suggest to gain muscle, but also lose body fat. Maybe I'm approaching this wrong after listening to you guys now for two months, I probably am, Maybe I'm approaching this wrong after listening you guys now for two months, I probably am. So I'll shut up now. If you sit around 10%, you can't go gain. Okay, yeah, can we just get, I want to get some clarity on

Starting point is 01:14:11 like how amazing this is, what you've done here. You've lost well over a hundred pounds. You've gotten down to nine and a half percent body fat and you're actually eating 2832 hundred pounds. That's 60 pounds. Oh, is it 60? Yeah, 354. No, 95. No, bro That's 60 pounds. Oh, is it 60? Yeah, 354.

Starting point is 01:14:26 No, 95. No, bro. Do your mouth. Oh, 160, bro. Oh, wow. Yes, dude. Is that right? Is this all right?

Starting point is 01:14:34 Bro, you understand how crazy that is? That's insane. And he's at 9.5% and he's eating 2800 to 3200 calories. No, granted, I know you're 6'5 and so we have room to bump our calories, but bro, you're in a fucking really good play and you did a really good job. So right now, you're at two oh five, you said? Yeah, right around two oh five. Because you've got to go to calories. So yeah, so, um, and if you were sitting at like less than 10% going into that, you're doing okay. I mean, that 10 pound weight gain, some of it, you're

Starting point is 01:15:03 stronger. You said you're stronger. So some of its gain, some of it you're stronger, you said you're stronger. So some of its muscles, some of it's probably water. Mostly water. Yeah, in the muscles. Do they feel fuller? Do they feel tighter? Do you get better pumps when you're working out? A lot better pumps. That's probably what's going on. Now I see here that you work out between 14 to 16 hours a week? Yeah. Yeah. And that's a combination of lifting, you know, he even walked into dogs, stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:15:32 But I'm recovering from it. Like prior to this summer, I was running 150 to 200 miles a month. I got this muscle injury in my shin around May. And I dialed that back and I started swimming. So swimming is most of the what I do now. I will run once or twice a week. I like to do like a sprint session where I run for three minutes easy, sprint for 20 seconds, for 10 minutes after I lift.

Starting point is 01:15:58 Like I said, these are after I'm doing the functional days on it and I'll fall, because I've been on that now for the past month. So that's the only days on it. And I don't know, because I've been on that now for the past month. So that's the only running I do. Now I'm actually in Miami this week, and I just, I've run a mile and morning, just, you know, on the beach, because it's nice, right? And I do enjoy running, but it was hurting my body. I was always stiff or whatever.

Starting point is 01:16:17 But now I feel great. I just feel, I feel bloated and full. And, you know, I don't know. It may just be, I need to go do this for a few months because I never really left it. I only need to push out and then like some light dumbbells. This isn't a head. Bro, yeah, you're in your head.

Starting point is 01:16:30 It's all in your head. I would go with the slow reverse diet. So kind of slowly bump your calories over time and focus on getting stronger through MAP's endabolic and you're gonna build muscle. You might get leaner, you'll probably stay the same but you might get leaner not because you lost stay the same, but you might get leaner, not because you lost body fat, but because you gain lean body mass. So your current fat mass

Starting point is 01:16:49 will be measured as lower percentage of your overall body weight, but I would do like a nice clean bulk, meaning, you know, if you're eating between 28 to, it says here, between 28, hundred to thirty two calories a day, you know, I would keep it around three thousand to 3500, something like that, just so it's a little higher than know, I would keep it around 3,000 to 3,500 something like that, just so it's a little higher than normal. And then just get stronger. That's the direction I would go. I wouldn't go, you know, I wouldn't try and get leaner than the nine and a half, unless

Starting point is 01:17:15 you really want to, but when you get down below 9%, especially coming from where you came from, you start to get to the end of the system. It gets the unhealthy range and it starts to affect hormones negatively and all that stuff for most people. Well, let me tell you too, what, if you're a my client or say my friend, the goal I would want you to have, it's your body, it's your choice, you could do whatever you want,

Starting point is 01:17:34 but what I want would want you to do, is I'd want you to get to a place where all the swimming and running and all this stuff that you're doing, that you don't need to to maintain your calorie intake and your physique where you're at. I want it truly to be, and I don't know where your head space is when you do those things, but a lot of times when I have a client that is that heavy, lost a lot of weight and they did a lot of it through that much activity, their relationship to that exercise, they've told themselves they love doing it, but a lot of've told themselves, they love doing it,

Starting point is 01:18:05 but a lot of it is like, I love doing it because it keeps my weight down, not because I really enjoy to swim or run per se. And so I would want you to be in that headspace. I want you to be in a place where it's like, we've built enough muscle on your body, Bobby, where you could eat 3,200 calories a day and not gain weight, and not do any running

Starting point is 01:18:24 or any swimming. And so therefore therefore you can go and do that as I could true leisurely thing and you could cut it out of your life and it still be okay And you still maintain and all the weight doesn't come flying back on so I would want us to be there And the one way to make sure we get there is to keep reverse Dieting building a lot of muscle slowly pulling back on the amount of swimming, running and all these are doing. Not because I'm gonna get rid of it forever, but because I wanna show you, you can do that.

Starting point is 01:18:52 I wanna show you that you're gonna have a time in your life, Bobby, when you're not gonna be able to do all that running, all that swimming stuff like that, and I want you to be feel like you're in control of your weight, not that it's gonna come piling back on because all of a sudden you stopped doing all that activity. And I can prove that to you by building your metabolism up through building muscle, through strength training.

Starting point is 01:19:10 That's where I would want you to be. And then if you look back at me and say, oh my god, Adam, this is crazy. I'm eating 3,800 or 4,000 calories a day and I'm loving this. And I'm like, hey, you know, if you want to run and swim, go for it, dude, but do it because you love it, not because you're trying to keep your weight with it. I think it's very Realistic based off of what we know now. It's very realistic for you to get to a 37 to 4,000 calorie

Starting point is 01:19:41 Maintenance with good lean body mass and good lean body fat percentage and not even really running here. No, it's very very realistic If you're already there now, after losing that much weight, because typically what happens with that much weight loss is you see a slower, much slower metabolism. So if you're already at 28 to 32 maintaining, it's very realistic over the next six months, I'd say, of just focusing on strength, slow reverse diet, building muscle, hitting protein, to get up to 3700, maybe to 4,000 calories,

Starting point is 01:20:09 and stay pretty damn lean. And that's a really cool place to be, because then if you wanna get down to 5%, go through your runs, go to your... No, you just go back down to 3200, now you get short. Yeah, but you have all that flexibility. I mean, I mean, you're in a great place, Bobby. I mean, you really are. You've done a good job, This thus far getting here and not a lot of people could get away.

Starting point is 01:20:29 Get strong. If you if you really focus on getting strong, you're gonna be blown away by how your body looks. I want to you have maps and a ball. I'd like to put you in our form. I'd like to hear your journey as you're going through and just and I'd like to be that support for you when you when you're when you get in your own way because that's gonna happen. I already know that this is what the hardest part you're gonna have. Well, you're already you're already saying you feel funny because you gain 10 pounds. Yeah. Uh, you know, and which is probably water muscle fullness, but to somebody who was lost a lot of weight who was heavy, it's like scary. No, yeah, yeah. It's a mental thing and even my wife

Starting point is 01:21:04 said, actually, her deep blood of that grass, she's a mental thing and even my life is if you heard people have a background, she's been telling me the same things, now that I hear from you all, like, and you know, I never enjoyed the weight lifting. I never really liked it. I mean, I was in the army when I was younger and this were thinking I did it. But now I'm finding I really like and I like the time it gives me back because I run my own company. I'm sure I'm in a doctoral program. So I really like that now I don't have to say, oh, I've got to go run for an hour and then run again. So I've been able to separate the running,

Starting point is 01:21:31 but I do enjoy, I really do enjoy cardio. That's fine. So scale it away back, because I mean, these lifts, and then the trigger sessions, my thing is bringing the trigger sessions lower, right? I want to do 200 push- ups on the day's lift. And if we win 20 or 30 is like, oh, but I'm getting there.

Starting point is 01:21:50 Think of the trigger sessions as facilitating recovery and adaptation, not as sending the muscle building signal itself. It's funny with that way. You know, honestly, you're actually somebody who I might even let skip those. I don't normally say, I'll people that, but because you,

Starting point is 01:22:03 sounds like to me, you have a tendency to wanna do more. And I- Mobility be a better person. And you don't need to be doing more activity. And by the way, when I say scale back on that, I wouldn't rip the bandaid off and go like, no more swimming, no more and none of that stuff.

Starting point is 01:22:16 You know, I'd say, hey, you know every week you're doing about this much. Let's just pull back a little bit on that and let's put more emphasis on the strength training. Bobby, what happens? What would happen if you went for, like you're already doing this with running. You said you're a Miami, you're running about a mile

Starting point is 01:22:29 on the beach, you're probably not even thinking about it like a workout, you're probably like, oh this is gorgeous, I'm gonna go enjoy this. What would your cardio look like if that's how you did it? If it had nothing to do with working out, had nothing to do with trying to sweat and burn calories, if you're just like, I'm going to go enjoy this. Would it look different than it is now?

Starting point is 01:22:48 Probably not. I think three months ago, yeah, I would have said it. I would go out and I'd want to do an hour, you know, you know, run, think about running an ultra-marital contest for a thing. But now, no, I mean, a nice long walk with a dog, the life. It's easy. It's all zone two. Like I said, I only am doing this for you walk with a dog, the life. It's an easy swoop. And it's all zone two.

Starting point is 01:23:05 Like I said, I only am doing this for you because I really got into longevity piece, right? And I realized that running was probably building a more visceral fat, that sort of thing. I just want to be healthy when I'm 80 years old, I want to be able to do whatever I want to do. Oh, you're on the right track. You're doing good, bro.

Starting point is 01:23:21 You're fine then. You're doing good. Yeah, do the reverse diet, build some muscle mainly because from a longevity standpoint, because you might think, what does it have to do with longevity? It gives you more flexibility, because if you plan on living in a modern society, you're going to have access to a lot of food, events, vacations. And if your body is maintaining a 4,000 calories, you go on vacation with your wife for a couple of weeks. I mean, you got a lot,000 calories, you go on vacation with your wife for a couple weeks.

Starting point is 01:23:46 I mean, you got a lot, you know, if you look at the studies on the negative effects of food, you know, 95% of those negative effects are negated when the calories are lower on the what the person burns. You can look at studies on high sugar diets, terrible diets, but if the person's body is burning it off, it's like almost all of the negative effects are negated. So really what it does just gives you the flexibility to enjoy your life into not always have to worry about, you know, what you're eating and putting your mouth.

Starting point is 01:24:18 So that's why we tend to recommend that to most people because again, we live in so much plenty, so much variety that I would rather have someone have a faster metabolism than one that's a little slower. You're on the right track, though, bro. You're doing really good. I want Doug to put you in the forum and just keep us posted, dude. Just tag us every month or two and let us know

Starting point is 01:24:37 how things are going. If you have any challenges or what's up and we'll give you a little bits of tips and stuff like that along you way. But I think you're in a really good place, a good mindset and I think you're on the right path. And I think you're going to be really impressed with what you're going to be able to do

Starting point is 01:24:52 because I think you're primed to build some of this. What are you studying right now, by the way, Bobby? Strategic leadership. Okay. Business school, yeah. Yeah. So, I just wanted to do something hard and I figured running, I've got to the point where it's I don't know It's a whole mental it's the wrong mental mindset, but again, I'm in school and I'm enjoying it

Starting point is 01:25:11 So hey, that's why yeah, good deal But I love the way you got you guys have really helped transform because I was going down a bad place Just beating my body thinking let more is more and I like like it when you say, find the least you can do. I got to get to that place. And I'm, you know, I listen to everything you guys put out, read everything you put out. So thank you so much for what you do. Appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:25:32 You're on the right track, dude. You're going to do good, bro. Just stop listening to David Goggins. You'll be fine. So we'll be fine. I think you got it. That was my spirit. I know what I see.

Starting point is 01:25:44 I am one. So I know what I see one, one so I know what I see one bro Thank you guys so much have a great day We'll keep you posted. All right sounds good man Boy that that message so annoying oh That that Goggins yeah, I appreciate every suspect him I get it but that message causes way more damage than it does. You know, there's some people that benefit from it. You know, you get off the rass and do something.

Starting point is 01:26:09 Yeah, it's I have, I'm partial to it. I actually I like him, right? So like I bet if we met we'd be friends. I really like him. And so, and I definitely think there's a big horde of people that are fucking lazy. They need to hear that. And they need to do some hard shit in their life because they're a bunch of pussy's.

Starting point is 01:26:26 And they need people like that out there to show the potential, but like, applying what he's doing is completely. So here's the irony. The irony of it is that the people who actually take it and do it are the ones that don't need anything. Are the guys like him, the guy like Bobbi, who was very disciplined, as you can see, and very consistent,

Starting point is 01:26:47 and is a hard motherfucker, and he takes it to that, and it's like, that's the guy who doesn't need that. That's the guy who needs, hey, your goal is to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. That's right, that's right. That is that what that guy needs to hear. If we started a class here that was like a boot camp, kick the crap out of yourself, for sure it would attract people who will enjoy beating the shit out of the

Starting point is 01:27:07 world. It would not attract a person who's like, oh, you know what? I do need to get off the couch. They'd be like, I don't want to do that. I want to do something awesome. You're getting me ready for war. I'm, you know, I'm going to be very different. Very different.

Starting point is 01:27:17 Our next caller is Kate from Australia. Hi Kate. How can we help you? Hi. Hi. I just have a question.'m guessing you've had a very reddit, but who loves, I actually should say chin-ups, chin-ups are being struggling with since I've started resistant training. I can only get like a max rep of four and we've

Starting point is 01:27:43 been at four promotions how we are and it's just down to it's not. But I can't do anymore and it's not going anywhere and chips. Yeah, yeah. I've got a couple. One, the fact that you're up to three to four reps, that's good.

Starting point is 01:27:59 It's actually really good. And it also opens the opportunity to do heavy singles, meaning that you strap a 20 pound or 25 pound weight, do your waist and do one and then rest and then do one again. Also, the opportunity to do where you get a bench, put 30 to 40 pounds on your waist, start in the pull up position and resist the way down with a lot of weight. So a weight that you can't even do one with, you put on your waist.

Starting point is 01:28:28 You get on a bench to where you're already in the chin up position, and then step off the bench, and then resist the weight down. It'll be an nice and metric. You know, yeah, the tips that Adam is giving you are very valuable, but they do need to be programmed properly because what a lot of people mess up with when they're trying to get better, especially with pull-ups for some reason or chin-ups,

Starting point is 01:28:52 is they just go hard every time they work out. Yeah. And that's going to make it very difficult for you to progress. So here's, listen, this, what I'm going to tell you, for me was eight at a ten times would success would successfully get someone to double the reps of their chin up Literally 80% of time this would work and what I would tell my clients was get a chin up bar put in your house Yeah, and Throughout the day you can do three to four right three to four reps you said Just no, no, just do one.

Starting point is 01:29:25 You won. Yeah. You won't tell me you're like that. You walk by it, do one. Come back down, whatever she put on her. No, she's doing that, right? Yeah, so now are you doing that plus a back workout? Or are you doing that and not doing a back workout?

Starting point is 01:29:39 So I'm doing that and then I'm doing, so I've just finished a study. But I've just been, been adding in she not some dropping something else And I would like one of the aesthetic day a couple of years They say so it's making sure I'm doing it twice a week and then doing So now that's that's a little too much right so if so do this over a four-week period Take all the back workout out of your workout, maybe one exercise or none, and just practice your pull ups throughout the day.

Starting point is 01:30:07 That's it. And then you should see a strength and improvement. I don't think more intensity is, especially now that I know you did MAPS aesthetic, which is really high volume. Oh, yeah. I don't think more intensity is the key. Like literally, I wouldn't do any back workout in your training, and just throughout the day, maybe five or six times

Starting point is 01:30:25 throughout the day, you just do one. You just do one pull-up and then you walk around, do whatever, a couple hours later, do another pull-up and just do that maybe five times, you know, maybe five out of the seven days. And you'll probably, even if you feel like, by the way, even if you feel like that one pull-up gets way easier, which is what you're gonna start to feel like, even within the same day, what you may find is, you're doing the morning, doing the way, even if you feel like that one pull-up gets way easier, which is what you're going to start to feel like, even within the same day, what you may find is you're doing

Starting point is 01:30:48 the morning, doing the afternoon, I know, I feel like I can do two. Just do one by the end of the four weeks, give yourself a week arrest, go back to your pull-ups, and then see what your max is. You'll probably be able to get close to seven, probably close to seven right now I want I want you to follow up with us I want to hear about how this works for you. Do you think maybe we should have around a different program that maps aesthetics? Aesthetic is a lot of volume. I know that's why I say she put her on a different program. Are you finishing? Aesthetic? Yes, I do. I'm just doing the daily. Now and then I was going to get back to Annabalic. Oh perfect. There

Starting point is 01:31:22 you go. You're good. You're good. You can still deadlift an Annabelle Lake, but don't do any of the other back exercises while you're doing this. Yeah, I got it. Yes, we'll get that. Thank you. Yeah, you got it.

Starting point is 01:31:32 Oh, by the way, Doug, can you put her in the form if she's not in there? Yeah, because I want you to follow up with us. I want to hear what happens in four weeks. Yeah, I will. Thank you very much. You got it. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:31:42 I'm glad you said the further do that, because I don't agree with you on this one. What do you think? I think my advice is better with the current volume she's doing. It doesn't even matter I don't I think she got to her three to four reps by just through her frequency of doing she wrote in her notes That she's doing what you we already suggest Yeah, but she's also yeah, you know, what is aesthetic? How many sets are you doing for back Monday, Wednesday, Friday? I still think that she's gonna get more benefit from heavy loading singles

Starting point is 01:32:06 and resisting negatives even heavier. Well, I think they both work, but because of the amount of volume that she's doing, adding a negative, a heavy negative, that might be an issue. I mean, maybe. I didn't get any signs from her response that she's like hurting or overtraining

Starting point is 01:32:21 or anything like that, though. So, I mean, we'll see. Oh, so we'll see what she does. I would, I would have stuck with what I said, and I think she'd notice a difference right, though, so I mean, we'll see. We'll see what she does. I would, I would have stuck with what I said, and I think she'd notice a difference right away just. We'll see. I don't think it's wrong. I don't think either one would have been necessarily wrong,

Starting point is 01:32:31 but with that much volume, plus practicing pull ups, I mean, I would always go the direction you went first, but because she put it hurt, that she's listened to our advice about doing chin ups frequently throughout the day. You know what I need to say when I tell people to do this, is to cut back on their volume and frequently throughout the day. You know what I need to say when I tell people to do this is to cut back on their volume and intensity of the workouts. If you're doing, if you're already pushing the volume and intensity and then you decide

Starting point is 01:32:51 you're going to practice a bunch of, you know, pull ups throughout the week, it could be enough to put you over. Yeah, yeah, there's a good chance that's happening. Our next caller is Sam from Virginia. What's up, Sam? How can we help you? Hey guys, how you doing? Good, good. Thanks so much, taking time out of the day to speak to me.

Starting point is 01:33:13 I hope you and your families are doing good. I've been a listener for many years, so bear with me until little surreal. Maybe let me just jump into my question, give a little structure and then I can give a little backstory as to why I'm asking this particular question because it might be a little bit of an odd question or not your everyday question. So what I wanted to ask you guys is what you thought about whether there was a vocational space in the fitness and gym industry right now for a mental health professional like myself

Starting point is 01:33:50 Even if I had to go get certified as a personal trainer The reason I'm asking this question just to give a little understanding of backstory and why it chose this question Like I said in my email, you know, from a pretty young age, I battled with my mental health and particular post traumatic stress disorder and all that comes with that. And you know, I was something I lived with, something I deal with. And at 28 years old today, by the grace of God, I can say I'm doing well and I'm an active recovery from it. But the point is that I've done therapy and it's benefited me.

Starting point is 01:34:32 I've tried medications and they've benefited me. And I've even, you know, studied psychology and counseling myself and college. And yet, all with all that to say, there's nothing that has consistently helped me on a day-to-day basis to improve my mental health, like exercise and working out. In particular, weight lifting, strength training, hiking, and a little bit of GGGT Zoom boxing, but primarily since I was 15, I've lifted weights. And that's not to minimize the power of medications and therapy, encyclotherapy, I believe in it so much I'm a counseling intern right now with my own clients,

Starting point is 01:35:10 but man, the gym and lifting weights and exercises a whole, it might sound dramatic to some people, but I truly believe God brought that to me to save my life. but I truly believe God brought that to me to save my life. And to wrap up, and I'll let you guys answer, but I just want to express my gratitude to you guys. I know you hear a lot, but it's funny, as it might sound, your podcast has been a companion to me on some pretty dark days. But especially the way you guys have talked, especially recently, well, maybe not recently, but maybe you've done it for a while now. But just the way you guys have talked, especially recently, well, maybe not recently, but maybe you've done it for a while now, but just the way you talk about building a healthy relationship with exercise and not overcorrecting from to where you're overworking yourself and

Starting point is 01:35:58 you're just exercising to just not feel anything. And I think that was a blessing for me to hear that from you guys because it was that a time when I was dangerous getting close to doing that. So I mean, from the bottom of my heart, really thank you guys for speaking about mental health because Lord knows I'm not alone. But anyway, I know that was a lot, but that's really the context why that question so important to me is funny as a question as it might be, because I really want to use both to help people. I don't think you can do, I think they should be combined honestly.

Starting point is 01:36:34 So, just wondering what you guys thought about that. Huge need for that. Absolutely. Huge need for that. I think the future of the fitness and health industry is either partnerships, I used to, so towards the end of the fitness and health industry is either partnerships. I used to, so towards the end of my career, I partnered with therapist and counselors to work with clients.

Starting point is 01:36:53 And I had tremendous success as a trainer. So I think the future is combining, you mentioned three modalities, right? Therapy, medication, and then physical activity. You mentioned three modalities, right? Therapy, medication, and then physical activity. All three of them have value. Nothing compares to combining all three, especially when you're dealing with really tough situations. Exercise is such a powerful vehicle for personal growth.

Starting point is 01:37:18 Physiologically, it improves your health, so it improves your brain health and your physical health, which contributes to things like anxiety and depression and your resilience. But it's also just a growth journey. I mean, you gotta you struggle at exercises, you gotta learn things about yourself, there's a lot of self-acceptance, there's purpose and meaning behind the discipline that it requires to get up and do something. And then there's things that are unexplainable about why it's so powerful. But the data now shows it is incredibly effective for, especially the common forms of depression, anxiety that people tend to suffer from. If you work with people who are trying to improve their fitness and health or lose weight,

Starting point is 01:37:59 and so you have a background in therapy, and then you also have a background in an exercise knowledge, workout programming, you know, nutritional guidance. I mean, you're going to be amazing. You'll be so effective with people, it's not even funny. The thing that I used to teach my trainers the most to help them become successful, just in terms of getting results for the clients, was the part that you've already learned, because they knew the exercise part, they knew the diet part, but the behavioral aspect of what it takes and what helps is where they needed to learn. When they did, it was like magic. Massive, massive need in the space for someone like yourself.

Starting point is 01:38:41 It's so much so, Sam, that most of my career I hired trained and developed trainers. That's what I did for most of my career. I would rather hire you to work with me with maybe no training other people background or any national certifications than the guy who has a four-year degree and three national certifications. That's how powerful where you're coming from is for the space. One, you're incredibly passionate about it because of what it's done to you and your life. I think that most of personal training is mindset

Starting point is 01:39:13 and the psychology behavioral science. And so if you already have a passion and interest there, you're going to help more people out through that vehicle of communication than you ever will by understanding macros to the deepest level or biomechanics and program design. Those things are nice and helpful. I can teach you that as a boss.

Starting point is 01:39:35 I can teach you how to put exercise selection together and how to do balance out someone's macros, but the schooling and an experience that you have with what you've gone through and what you were going through, oh my God, that makes an even better trainer. So yeah, man, I think that there's a massive need for it. And I think there's huge opportunity for someone who is passionate about weight training and helping people out and has your background. Yeah, it's interesting because you see how they're already realizing the importance for

Starting point is 01:40:07 movement with therapy and combination. And you're seeing some little bits of, I mean, this is a big ship to steer. And I think that, you know, people like you coming into the fitness space and actually applying that would probably take off and establish that even, I would say, earlier than the other approach. So I think that this could be the spark in terms of a different segment of how we sort of take this on and bring it in through the fitness industry as opposed to the therapy industry, but both are but both are gonna be affected by this. That's a given.

Starting point is 01:40:48 Yeah, the two directions I could see would be continuing doing what you're doing, get some certifications and training in exercise, technique, form, work with some good coaches, work with diet, so you can kind of do it all. That takes a little while. Or just continue to dive deep on the therapy side. And then when you want to start a business, I would partner with some really good trainers.

Starting point is 01:41:17 And then you would do the counseling side and you would work hand in hand with the trainers who would do the exercise and nutrition side. So those are the two avenues that I could see that I would say. I partnered because I just didn't have the background or the education. And I'm telling you, it was so effective, it was insane. Like I knew when people worked with me

Starting point is 01:41:39 and they worked with a therapist and then I would throw in body work in that if I could because there's also some profound benefits to having someone who really understands body work. It takes years off, people that don't seriously. Oh my God, it was like, it was like I knew, it was like 90% of them would have a tremendous success. In all aspects, it was incredible. Stay lost and mindset and all that stuff. Stay close to us, Sam, we got something to come down the pipe in the next quarter or so.

Starting point is 01:42:04 So something that will be perfect for you. Yeah, for sure. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. Like I said, I'm sure you guys are aware, but I just wanted to reinforce how powerful it is for you guys and your unique space to speak about mental health because I know growing up, I kind of saw working out, going to the gym and lifting weights and all that as one world and I saw

Starting point is 01:42:36 dealing with my mental health as a totally separate world. And as I've gotten old, you know, and just the last thing I'll say on here, a real world example of what you guys talk about all the time is, you know, I got the privilege of working as a associate counselor at a drug rehab center for like four years. So I worked with people in addiction and we had this little gym like in the basement with like cobwebs on it and stuff, but it had some good stuff and like As a as a young counselor, I'm still a young counselor, but even back then I felt like I didn't know a whole lot of psychotherapy and stuff And so what I would do people are having a bad day as I hate like I'll go open the gym for you like let's go work out So we would be down there and I I would see, man, like, I know this sounds crazy, but people, I even had like one young

Starting point is 01:43:29 guy who was dealing with math, you know, he was withdrawn from math, he was craving math and just getting him to go to the gym. And obviously I didn't push him hard. It's like, don't do too much. Your body's very compromised right now. But just doing just a little bit of light exercise, just to see the difference. And that's kind of when it started to click. It was already working for me. And then it was like, oh my word, like just the difference that those folks did

Starting point is 01:43:56 who were in the 30 day inpatient treatment center when they were consistently going down, even if it's just walking on the treadmill every day versus the people that didn't. And instead we're just doing the medications and the therapy. It was amazing the difference. And so that's another thing. I know this is, I know this, there's hopefully a good amount of people will hear this. And so I just want people to know if you're out there, you're struggling and you feel like you need to ditch the fitness journey to

Starting point is 01:44:27 To like go figure out your mental health obviously Like don't please don't you know just Maybe adjust it like you guys always talk about the proper amount. Don't overwork yourself Don't use it as a form of to just beat yourself and not being able to feel anything But please don't because I've personally seen it save lives. So again, thank you guys so much for what you do. You got it, Sam.

Starting point is 01:44:53 Nothing you said sounds crazy to us. We've been to this for a long time, so it's like, we know. You're on the right track, but I can't wait to hear your journey. Thanks for calling in, man. All right, guys. Take care. You got it. I have to comment on this because the strength of the system that we have here

Starting point is 01:45:09 in the Western societies is also its weakness, right? So we do a really good job of segmenting things and going deep. The problem with, and that's good because you really understand one system very well. When you do that, the problem with that is we've created this illusion that health is segmented. That is different. Mental health. There's physical health. There's spiritual health.

Starting point is 01:45:32 There's, it's health, right? It's all health. Improve your health and your health improves. It is not separate. It's such a good one. Organism. It's a terrible illusion. And exactly what he says.

Starting point is 01:45:45 Like somebody who wants to improve their mental health, like they don't, you know, what's the most that they understand about exercise? Oh, it releases endorphins, good, feel good chemicals. No, no, it's so much more than that. It's so much more than that. And then on the flip side, somebody wants to lose weight. Oh, I just got to follow this plan.

Starting point is 01:46:01 I'm not thinking like I'd deal with like some trauma or some other issues with my relationship with food and my body. Like it's all one and people need to understand that. If you understand that, you're your your your chance to success or so much higher. Man, I would love to see a study done off of what you know what he just said that would be really cool to see is take a rehab center like that where they're in for 30 days and take half the group

Starting point is 01:46:25 and they have some weight training. And yeah, one half a group stays on a daily weight training regimen for 30 days and then take the other group that doesn't at all and compare the two. You wanna know, I mean, I have a pretty good idea of what happened, but why have we not had a big good, dude, I'm gonna tell you why, cause there's more money in them coming back.

Starting point is 01:46:43 Come on, what are you gonna sell with that? Yeah, exactly, where you sell it? You know what makes me sad? When this first happened, I remember, I was so devastated, I thought, what a stupid thing that they've done. They took gyms out of prisons here in California. Do you know how terrible that is?

Starting point is 01:46:59 They're one outlet. Do you know how beneficial that was to so many inmates and their mental health and he gave them some purpose and they could go better themselves. Purpose, like yeah, they're improving themselves. They're growing in terms of like being a better human being. Like, all of that is there once you start like actively working on yourself and fitness is a huge part of that.

Starting point is 01:47:22 It's crazy. It's like, oh, we don't want inmates to get too big and strong. Well, I guess we don't want them to get smart too. Take out the libraries while you're at it. Let's just keep the dumbest possible thing and it has. I know there's data to show this. It's had profoundly negative effects.

Starting point is 01:47:36 I remember an Arnold in bodybuilders in the 70s, used to visit prisons to teach them how to strength train and exercise, put the gyms back in the prisons and go ahead and use it as a way to really want the reform. Yeah, that's what you're going to do. 100% that's make a better person. Do you really want to reform? Is that what is that the true design? They make money along with this. That's right. And the same thing goes with these rehab centers.

Starting point is 01:47:56 It's like, I wish I remember that was that documentary. Remember that documentary Doug? I can't remember the name of it, but that was such an enlightening documentary. I read the rehab centers and the insurance works for those and like what a hustle it is to just keep them signing up for those, like the success rate is like it's under 15%. What is it? Body broken.

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