Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2206: The Best Way to Build Muscle When Doing Jiu Jitsu, How to Strength Train for Rock Climbing, Tips for Eating & Exercising With Symptoms of PCOS & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

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We'll get that shirt right out to you. There are a few things we can all learn from high level athletics. Here's one of them athletes train differently in season. Then they do off season. You'll notice very few sports of any at all are always in season. There's always an off season. All right. What does this mean for us?

Well, if you train year in, year out, if you do this as a lifestyle, and you wanna continue to do this for the rest of your life, most of the time, you should probably train with moderate intensity, moderate volume, moderate frequency, but every once in a while, you include some sprints where you ramp things up. You should not train super hard all the time most of time

It's not that way, but those sprints are definitely what you get your body to progress. Just don't overdo them I did a post about this The athletes know about people I said in my post Something along the lines of 80 to 90 if you train in year and year out, 80 to 90% of your training should be moderate in all senses. 10 to 20% are these hard sprints. I think the average person, because of social media, because they see the routines of hardcore.

Yeah, there's people, I think there's a lot more free. They think it's hard all the time, and then everyone's well, they do an easy workout. But it's not like that. If you want to continue to progress long-term, most of your workouts are not going to be hardcore. Yeah, I think that's just because, like we've talked about this so many times in the show that I think that it's so unique when you compare it to everything else in your life that you put effort towards. I mean, I'm still lost for an analogy of something else that

is like this, where almost anything else that you approach in your life, the more you put into it, the more effort that you put towards it, the greater the return on your investment. Everything I can think of. I actually think it's different. I think it's the return on your investment. Everything I can think of. I actually think it's different. I think it's the way you define effort. Like if you're at a job, sure, you could say that part of putting a lot of effort towards training is effective.

Right, right. I mean, that's still. I know what you mean though. Yeah. Because people equate effort in the gym as intensity. Yeah, sweat, sore, pain, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the problem is that you watch videos of people

who are showing you the workouts. They're not showing you what most of workouts look like. They're showing you like they're awesome workout. They're hard workout and that's why they're posting it. It's because that's what gives attention. That's right. Well, that's the thing is, that's what we're driven by with the social media platforms.

It's like its own sort of bias in that regard because it's, we're driven by with the social media platforms. It's like its own sort of bias in that regard because we're trying to portray something that people are gonna be interested in. Otherwise, you post it, you're not gonna get any sort of likes or attention or comments. Well, it's doubly bias because not only are most of these knuckleheads only posting the best version and the best thing of everything that they do.

But then there's also a self-selection bias of these anomalies too. So it's like, there are those rare athletes and rare people that can train at super high volume, super high intensity. Right, compared to the average person. And so, of course, those videos, you know, get the most looks and views.

And so you get this, you know, self-selection bias of these super athletes and people only, so it's like it's double bad. It's like not only your, because someone's gonna argue with you that, you know, oh no, I've seen them train. They train like that all the time. And there is, there's those athletes, like that, or there's those people that, you know, oh no, I've seen them train. They train like that all the time. And there is, there's those athletes like that.

There's none. Or there's those people that, you know, and or they're hopped up on so many hormones and drugs they can get away. You know what, but even then I would say those people, if you looked at all the training, 10 to 20% are sprints. It's just their maintenance is crazy looking compared to the average person

because of their ability to recover and all that stuff. But even then, they're not going to their max all the time to what they're like, Justin, you coach athletes and you went to the college level of sports. There's a difference between off season and in season training. What would happen to athletes if they always trained like they were off season all the time? Yeah, I mean, they're going to get injured. Inevitably, you're going to hit a wall. You're going to hit a point where it's going to have diminishing return.

If you're putting that kind of intensity in all the time, and then you're adding on performing at a really high level, it's just like it pressures the hinges. There's going to be something that has to give in order for your body to be able to survive. It's like you're in survival mode at that point. The truth is, that's relatively new science. So, I mean, we're still seeing, I mean, you still see that, unfortunately,

even at the professional level. Yeah, there's not everybody, just because they're pro athletes, they're not training properly off season on season. You still have knuckleheads that you hear these stories of them getting hurt, and it's because they're pro athletes, they're not training properly off season on season. You still have knuckleheads that you hear these stories of them getting hurt, and it's because they weren't bulletproofing their body. They weren't giving themselves.

And it's a mystery to them why they're getting injured, why they're sitting out this next season, why these things are happening, and it isn't as obvious as it is to people that are in the strength conditioning world that are smart. This is why, you know, Justin and I, you know, particularly like gravitated towards the Max Marzo's, the Corey Slesengers, you know, the Paul Fabres, they were like, before them,

I couldn't tell you another coach really. I mean, I know that you have the Eric Cressy's, the Joseph Franco's, that I would put in those categories too, but these, those, the other three guys are, are became famous online and I found them on Instagram and the way that they were programming. That just wasn't popular. I mean, that, during that same exact time, I remember having a lunch with a, the, the, renamed nameless, but a, a pro ball or football player who was showing me his workout routine and his trainer was having sushi with me, right? They were all there together and like, it was cringe, like what he had him doing, but it was his boy.

They grew up together and then his boy went and got his kines degree. And so therefore in his eyes qualified to teach him how to train and the stuff that he had him doing to rehab him from a major injury. And I'm like, you're talking about a pro baller. It's not about like a guy who's worth tens of millions of dollars is got his buddy who's like fresh out of college teaching about a train. And it was like, it's only recently even the recovery angle to especially these high-level athletes is part of the conversation with like Tom Brady and with like LeBron James and like the amount of money they actually carve out to you know to

To do all of the therapies the red lights that you know optimize The recovery process because it has so much better return their Performance is already at the pinnacle. That's the thing. A lot of these pro athletes, they've reached, you know, the pinnacle, their physical ability, it's really about maintaining and, you know, reinforcing their joints so that way they can keep doing

what they're doing long-term. That's such a good point and that's the part where this has shifted in our in in the fitness space that it wasn't like this. Like you you go add, you know, a 25 pounds to Kevin Durant's squat or shave a quarter of a second off of his mile time or add one inch to his vertical and it's going to do nothing for him pretty much. But bulletproof his joints facilitate better recovery, you know, get him to be more fresh when he put, like that type of stuff is gonna go a long way

in the season and the longevity of his career, we're barely figuring this out. Like, and the examples you gave, LeBron James, tell him, like they are on the front end of that generation. And to take it back to the average person who's listening right now, if you are doing this long term, it should look like you're cruising most of the time, interrupted by these short bursts or sprints.

This is what it should look like. It should literally be weeks and weeks and weeks of training, you've you gotta be very consistent. Showing up, being consistent, having a kind of moderate level to everything, feeling good, pushing yourself a little bit, but mainly feeling good. And then you have like four, five, six weeks of, here I go, I'm gonna ramp up the volume,

I'm gonna ramp up the intensity. Challenge the body with intensity a bit more. Right, and now I got this extra bit. Now I'm gonna cruise and maintain that. I'm gonna that I'm gonna maintain that and then oh here we go Yeah, here comes another sprint if you do it that way you'll see Over time more consistent progress versus What a lot of people do is they're trying to sprint the whole time They're trying to push the whole time. Oh more volume worked. Let's add even more volume

Oh high intensity work. Let's add even more volume. Oh, high intensity work. Let's add even more intensity. And then that's it. Nothing. Not only do they get nothing, they start to go backwards. They actually, this is quite common. You'll see people, you guys have seen this many times in the gyms.

Someone gets some results from this really intense routine. This crazy routine. And then it stops working. And they just, you know, doggedly, hard headedly, just pursue it. And then they start going backwards. Why am I getting weaker? This doesn't make sense.

Maybe I need to train harder. Maybe my body got used to that intensity. I had someone tell me that once. Yeah. My body's not progressing, it's going backwards. It's because it's through it. Yeah, it's because it's used the intensity. So I gotta go even harder.

I said, I don't need to go harder. I've seen you work out. You need to go a little bit easier. But it's a good understanding of how to keep your body progressing consistently, how to keep yourself in shape. This like, it's always a sprint all the time is just a terrible approach. It's such a tough conversation to have on a podcast because we're talking to the masses and for every person that needs to hear that message, they need to hear the opposite one too. And for every person that needs to hear that message, they need to hear the opposite one too.

So it's like it's such a case by case, and you have to have the self awareness to understand who you are, right? Like are you, my the type that identifies as the athlete that loves the David Goggins message, more likely than not, I need to hear this. I need to hear that. I probably need to be cruising 80% of time

and David Goggins it for 20% and then switch back to my 80% the rest of the year, right? Or am I the person who looks for every excuse to not go to the gym and if I feel tired, oh, I must not go to sleep. So I'm going to, I'm going to just be consistent. That's it. That would be the person. That's what I would say to that person. Fine. Go easy. But show up. I think that's the first step, right? Yeah. They probably stop because they over did it a few times and didn't like it or didn't get the return that they thought. Yeah. And then to, I mean, in terms of young athletes and there's, there's sort of like a progression to all this, right? And so to be able to establish a good foundational base

where you do have to press the envelope a bit to understand your capacity and to understand where that correct dose lies. And I think that we don't really approach fitness like we have to look for the adequate dose for adaptation. And like how much do I have to push in order to create and foster change? And then, you know, that changes.

And your body changes. And as you get older too, and your chemistry changes, like, we have to now adjust, and we have to readjust our training because of what we've already said. So it's like, it's not as simple as like, this is always gonna be the answer. So what I'm trying to promote, like if it's a young athlete

that's never really challenged themselves, you know, at a high level, I'm gonna. Well, let's be honest, half the time. Direct that, but I'm still gonna have a lot of time where we're not doing a lot of intense. Well, half the time you're training young athletes, you're training them mental, their mental. Yes, yes.

Like, we're not necessarily looking for like ideal, physical adaptations. I just got to teach you to be able to handle some pain and to be able to work through it. It becomes stress and demand. Yeah, that's different, right? And a lot of times you'll see that, especially in the military, where people would be like,

this is not the best way to get them to adapt. I'm like, well, they're just trying to make them tough. Like they need to be able to handle shit because that's gonna save them. Mental tough I'm like, well, they're just trying to make them tough. Like, they need to be able to handle shit because that's going to save them forever. Right. Yeah. So it's like, we're not just talking about the muscular system and building and adapting in that direction.

We also have to have that mental fortitude of we're going to war, but that's convoluted, right? Like in the messaging of what everybody gets. Like, so that's woven right in there, which I think we do need a better job of like parsing it up. Speaking of war, going to battle all of that. Okay. Did you guys watch the documentary Slime?

I did. Yeah, I was really good. I watched it with my boys and they're big fans. They're big fans. They're big fans. So best salon, big fan. He came to Austin. Really tough place.

It's very creative individual. A lot of people don't know that. You know, he's a writer and director and actor and all that stuff. But he said something there. I thought it was interesting. He talked about Rocky. Yeah. And the guy who made it and wrote it and created it said, it's a love story. Do you guys remember a long time ago? I knew you were going to bring this up. And I had I had a response to you to this. What is it? Well, first of all, that's 77 year old Rocky saying that. Just 25 year old Rocky, nostalgic Rocky. The guy who wrote it, you know, 20 whatever year old Rocky.

Didn't even, he even sent out to make it a love story. And then he came up and said, as a love story, it's a villain, Adrian. Actually, who actually said, I'm surprised you're saying this. You saw the documentary. Yeah, he was listening to a cassette tape of him being interviewed after Rocky. That's when he sent me a little bit.

Yeah, after Rocky. That's what I'm saying. And you know what he said then? There was a love story. No, he said it's a love story. No, he did it. He did. That was his, don't you remember that scene?

That scene was very vivid to me. He's sitting there and he's, he's going, love story, say to love story. And it's himself talking on that, and he never says it. He never once says it. You know, Rocky's been called a love story since the day I came out. Yeah, so everybody else influenced the guy who wrote it that it's a love story.

Let me ask you a question. The national story. Let me ask you a question about something. And I ask 20 year old Adam a question about something. Who's more likely to be right? I mean, yeah, this guy. Yeah, so the wise, that's your... So fine, going to the point.

I mean, it's a love story. I mean, fact, turned into one, maybe? Okay, I'll find it a little bit more. I tell you what, you know what I got from it? It was really good. You were good. It was really good. But I walked away from it, really feeling sorry for him.

I had no idea it had such a terrible relationship with his dad. Same. Not only that, but I mean, you know, what I thought the documentary highlighted really well for, you know, so many people, and that what I could see in today's time, right? And is, we aspire to be like these influencers

and have all this fame and attention. And so one, you're listening to 77 year old version of him, finally have the self awareness around that, what that drove him to do, which basically looks like to not even be a participant in his family. I know. And there he is.

And there he is. And 77, he's all by himself in this mansion, you know what I'm saying? And uprooting and moving to start over for a fresh start and it's like, it doesn't seem like he's got anybody around him. And all the attention he gets is from strangers because he sought after that. And you know, it makes me worried for this generation that's growing up right now with the amount of attention and fame that you can get through

social media. Yeah. To influencers. Yeah. And these kids that you think you want that so bad. Dude, that's a curse. That's false love. Yeah.

It would be a curse to be young, get that kind of attention, but not the real connection that you get from your relationship. I love like drinking salt water. I love the quote that I heard Mike Tyson say the other day in that interview where he said, God punishes you by giving you everything you want. Yeah.

And I thought, oh, that's such a deep thought around this, it's like, here you have, he wanted that so bad. And he achieved it like out of the gates with Rocky, but then it was like, well, it wasn't what he expected it was gonna be. He gets there and it's like, no, this is still hard. Like it's really hard.

Now, how do I replicate that? How do I go, you know, even bigger? What do I do for me? But it's fake. Like he had Rocky and he became overnight with Rocky. I mean, it won so many Academy Awards. It was like this, this obviously iconic movie. He became the next big actor.

They put him in there with like Robert De Niro, Al Pacino. Then he proceeds to make three shit movies. Yeah, right. And everybody turned on a real fast. Like that's not real, right? When you got that kind of, you know, admiration and you know, like, oh oh, this will turn out to be a dime. As soon as I do something people don't like, I'm no longer their favorite. I'm the guy that's a piece of crap. That's what happened on. And then he made, you know, obviously other films that people liked, but pretty, pretty

crazy. Pretty cool. Yeah, to hear him talk about Rambo too. And like, as he was going through that and like really tried to preserve how like vets were being portrayed. Yeah. I was like, oh wow, that was so powerful. I don't know. I just like how he really, you know, is intentional and he puts a lot of thought about how it's going to be perceived. Have you guys seen first blood? You've seen first blood, right? Yeah. The first one? Yeah. Yeah. Because the rest of the Rambo films, I think, kind of took away from that original. That original was really good. It was a really good movie. Then it got kind of comic bookie afterwards.

And it's like, yeah, because he gets through all that. And then what's the messaging that he just dies and like, so he readjusted that. And I mean, a lot of sense because of like, where all the vets were, the suicide rate and everything at the time and still. I mean, that was one of my favorite parts. Although that was pretty cool that he had that, I mean, here he is making that film.

He doesn't know till the end of it, right? That he finds out that the veteran is supposed to die and he refuses to do it. He's like, I'm not gonna, and then they try to threaten him, breach of contract. And it's like, and he stood by, you know, what he believed, which is, listen, I'm not going to, I do not want to put a message out there because there's all these veterans that are struggling.

Yeah, they're struggling with PTSD and they're going to watch this and the veteran dies. I want to give them hope, you know, so I thought that was really cool and a very cool way to end that. And, but all in all, I was, I was really sad for him. I don't know. It was unfortunate to see someone grow up that way and then to reach this level of fame and attention to all be by yourself again.

And it's like, man, you know, how big. Obviously, I like Rocky's a kid identified with it a lot because it's a Thai and American, the whole deal working out. But when it comes to our space, the fitness space, there's a few movies that had profound impacts on culturally fitness. Okay. Rocky was one of them. Yeah. Rocky had tremendous impact on the just general person when it came to fitness. It got people to work out, people wanting to run. The soundtrack to Rocky was played in every jam.

To this day, it's like that. Rocky III, it was a Doug. Was it a you that you said Rocky III was the movie that got you to first start working to work out? Yeah, I think it was Rocky III. I really was impressed by the shape that he had developed there. As far as his body was concerned, so that was the one I aspired to be.

But Rocky IV was the one that really got me into the game. Oh, the Russian, right? He fights the Russian. That's the best one. Yeah. You guys think that's the best one? You know, automatically, you mean just fun? It's the best one.

Yeah. Which, if I'm gonna rewatch a Rocky, because I've seen him all several times, I'm rewatching four. Not grabbing one, I'm not grabbing two, I'm grabbing four for sure. The one that makes that will make me tear up, no matter what, is the end of Rocky one

when he's looking for Adrian, and you hear in the background that he lost, but he's in care, he's looking for his girl. And then in part two, man, when his wife is in the coma and she wakes up, still to this day, I could watch her right now and get the chills. This is great. By the way, I learned something about that.

Because when you're something interesting, so do you guys get, I'm pretty sure of you guys in this room, every one of us is like this. When you listen to a song that you really like, is this happened you often where like a part of the song will happen and you'll get the chills or you'll get this emotional reaction is feeling up your neck, where your hair's okay. Certain singers will do that too. You have like this just dude. I gotta read you guys so. I thought this happened everybody.

This doesn't happen everybody. It's called Frigian, F-R-I-S-S-O-N. And this is not, everybody doesn't get that. No, interesting. Only about half of us get that. Only about half of 50% of people get those chills, the shivers, the lump in their throat. Everybody else is missing out. The emotional reaction, because there's certain songs I can listen to and I'll get that emotional reaction or feel like something's

happening to me. And I can get it from a voice. There's certain, there's certain artists that if they have a really powerful voice, I'll get my, the hairs on my, on my arm will stand up and I'll fill the chills down in there. I wonder if they have a really powerful voice, I'll get my, the hairs on my, on my arm will stand up and I'll fill the chills down in there. I wonder if they have a hard time with group flow. Well, so people that don't receive that. That's a good question. That's a good question. Yeah, what is it?

So check this out. What's the thing that connects us? So they call it frision. It happens to about 50% of people. So half of people don't get that experience from different parts of music or movies or anything like that. Definitely music. And so what they did is they put them under MRI scans. And they wanted to see what the difference was. Oh, there it is right there. So you look at that. That's cool. Okay.

So what they found was that people who experienced this feeling, this was called frision, their brains turned out to have a much higher volume of fibers connecting their auditory cortex to the areas that process emotion. So basically that means that because their emotional processing centers are beefier, these people probably are more able to experience extreme emotions. Oh, interesting. Crazy. Is that crazy?

That is, interesting. Crazy. Isn't that crazy? It is really interesting. Isn't that I wonder how much of that that wiring has to do with how we are upbringing. And if that can be that can be I would imagine one way or the other. I would imagine right? I'm sure there's a genetic component too. Right. But think about that like the ability to maybe experience or feel more extreme emotions. That's very interesting. I did see when I read about this, I thought everybody got that. Like no, 50%. Yeah, yeah, I would have assumed most people get it, but that's, yeah, it's news to me. Well, I know I knew you guys were all of us for the same way, because we're all like that. Like, we'll all, we all feel very strongly.

Oh, yeah. I mean, even just like guitar tones and like, like, listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn, you can really hear specific players too, the way they play how they emote through the instrument. And like, if you're not picking up on that, man, you're missing out on so much. You guys remember the first time that happened you? I have, I know exactly the first time. The first time? Yeah, where a song I can remember, I'm sure it happened before this were. Was a girl involved. It stood out to me. That's friction. Yeah, yeah. I'm afraid. No, I remember the first time I like, like actually was conscious of it. Like, oh crap. And it was, I was much older. Obviously, I'm sure this happened before that.

But I remember specifically it was Metallica, Master of Puppets. Uh, yeah. Yes, I was 13 and a half of Puppets. Oh yeah. Yes, I was 13 and a half, and I was starting to do, I'll start to mess around with the weights. And yeah, dude, I never heard that song on, I came on and I just got that feeling and then I worked out.

So it's like, this is damn good. Yeah, I don't know if I can remember that. Hell's bells for me. I mean, some of those songs, like I remember some of the rage songs for doing that, the first time I heard them. But I actually, I have more memories of like the first time you heard someone is like a really powerful voice like an Adele or someone like that.

Like that, when I hear someone who has just like a show stopping voice that's just separated from the average, that does it to me more than you know. They don't even, it's not even what they're saying or what the song is about. It's like literally their voice. I, you can get that from watching. I noticed that if I ever, I don't ever watch this show, but if I catch it every once in a while, it's a down-to-watch like an American Idol episode.

Oh, sure. And there's always like somebody who's like, Especially when they surprise you. Yes, when there's like some crazy talented person you're looking at on the, you don't expect it and then their voice happens. And you're like, oh, whoa, we get goosebumps right away from it. Like, I recognize it there more than I probably do,

like these impactful songs that I have stuck around for me for a very long time. And I, like I said, I wonder how much of that, I don't know, I was thinking about this, they've been thinking about this a lot lately, just I wish we had a better, like a number or like what percentage does our parenting impact the hard wiring of our child? number or like what percentage does our parenting

impact the hard wiring of our child? Now we know it's great, but like how great is genetics 80% and 20% of it is how we wire them? And loosely, this is gonna sound stupid. Losely they would say it's 50-50, loosely. I say loosely because some things are more impacted by genetics, other things more impacted by environment. And then of course, if the environment is extreme enough, then it may, it'll have a bigger impact. So it's okay. So if it is something like that,

it's, isn't it crazy that that's not something that like as young men and women, we're not educated on and it because we, we're going to impact generation, that's gonna impact generations and impact generation. And you, most people at one point will be a mother or a father at one point. And so why would we not be conditioning our generation that's coming up behind us of like, hey listen. Let's teach them how to parent.

I mean, God, that would be great. I mean, even if it's just, I like, no one said that to me. Like no one told me that growing up like that. Hey, just so you know, when you become a father, you know, people say, oh, your role is so important, but how important? Like you're literally the things that you do,

especially in those first four years. You are literally laying. The years where the most impact is, you know, in the most attention you need to play. Yes, like no one's talking about that. No one's. No one's. No, you end up, you know, it ends up happening. Unless you're really self-aware, right?

And you're really trying to do a better job. You end up, you just raise your kids the way you were raised. Yeah. And it just, right, that's your default. Yeah. Your default is because that's your, your, your your been hardwired that way. And so you got to know that your default pattern is going to be what you grew up in. And if you didn't want that or there's things that you want

to change about that, well, you have to be so cognizant of that as you start your journey into fathering or mothering your child. And again, those, and I mean, everything that I've read now, and what I understand, those first four years, I mean, the first four are the most crucial, then four to eight are almost as crucial, and then eight to 12 becomes less crucial. I think they said that the most crucial are like the first four and then from I think it's 12 to no, it's still the next half. So it goes one to four is the most then four.

Oh, no, I'm talking about neuroplasticity. So it's neuroplastic, a plasticity or brain is the first few years and then like adolescent towards your teens. Yeah. Where you can really have this use. Yeah, and so it's like, you know, why is there not conversation in school around that? Around you, because we, again, like I said, we're impacting the next generation

and no matter how fucked up our parents were, or what we went through, because the state wants to raise your kids, that's why. Yeah, I mean, that's the, yeah, what you feel that they put out. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like, you gotta do your own research. It's kind of brutal. But yeah, I know what you're mean. There should be a nice, collective effort of what you

want to consider, the considerations. And it literally positioned that way too. We don't need somebody else to tell us their moral fabric or just that here's what to consider. I mean, one of the best talks, like we've had an opportunity now, I don't know how many times we've had the opportunity to listen to and see Jordan Peterson, right? Quite a few times, right? And we'll get the opportunity again this coming weekend.

And it's been amazing. But the talk that he had at the Dave Ramsey event was by far the best, in my opinion. And it's probably so much more there to unfold too, and to dissect. Yeah, with his whole talk about play and the importance of it and how that creates the adults that we see today,

like there's just so much there that I think people just dismiss it completely. Well, you just don't know. Like you don't know what you don't know. Like you guys remember, I don't know if this ever happened. You say, for good and bad, I would have people come over my house, friends, and they would point things out to me that I didn't know were different because I just was in it.

Like, we always, we always, this is a good, now there's good and bad, okay? Nobody's family's perfect. But one thing that we did that was really good was every single night, every night we had dinner together, every night. And we always had a prepared dinner. It wasn't, it was very rare where it was just, you know, grab some cereal, do this so that was always like we sat down, put plates out, and we had dinner. That's why like Sean Stevenson's his, his efforts. Yeah. And that was a good thing. I don't know it was weird until I had friends come over.

And they'd be like, you guys eat like this all the time? Like, yeah, every single night. Really? I'm like, how do you guys eat? Well, I don't know. I just grabbed something to eat and watch. Sit down in front of the TV. So that's the good.

Here's the bad. I'd have people would come over and then they'd feel they'd act weird. I'm like, what's the matter? Like, well, you know, everybody's fighting. Like, what do you mean we're fighting? Everybody's yelling. We yell. Do we really yell a lot?

Like, are we? And it's like, okay, I guess there's a lot of yelling happening in my house. So, we're just laughing. We're just laughing, you know, friends, passionate, maybe or whatever. But, you know, you just don't know, because you grow up in it.

It's just the way you live. Yeah. And so, I just, I don't know what, I mean, it's been on my mind a lot. You're so funny talking about this too. So, yesterday, Max, I mean, this is only what day two

or three since we've been back. So him and I have been rolling around and playing and he's like, I already feel like two is vocabulary is extended again. And so he's wrestling right next to me, jumping on me, right next to Katrina, and so with that. And he's, oh, banana butt face.

And he says, he's just says all these, you know, he's putting all these words that don't even make sense together. And he said punk. And they're never heard. Right? Right. Punk face, right? This way you call me a punk butt or something like that. And Katrina goes, Max, where did you learn that or something like that? And you know, she's like sternly said it. And so like, and he's so like ultra sensitive. So like he's stout freezes. I don't know, mommy, like, and she's like, who taught you that word? I don't know. I don't know mommy like and she's like who taught you that word? I don't I don't know how it got in my tummy

Everything's like trying for me right? It came because it comes from it's tummy. You know, it's like I don't know how I don't know where it came from mommy And she's like yeah, we don't say that where you don't say that where it's not a nice word like okay Okay, okay, and you can see him like processing trying to figure it out like where it came from. You gotta know your kids too. Aralius, if you say don't say that, he's gonna say it. So we literally have to be like, oh, the steer him away, hope he forgets.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's great. He's so up as it comes out. And front and then it like sort of, yeah, the rest. Yeah, Max is so sensitive that I have to be careful how stern I am. If I'm, if I like Katrina that I have to be careful how how stern I am if I am if I like like Katrina She's all she had to do she took a moment where we're having fun playing everyone's goof around and said hey

You know say and that's enough to make him go. I'm not supposed to do that I really so go up to his baby sister and We always tell him don't throw things around her be very careful right? So he'll go up to her and he'll look at us and you'll have like a hard toy, like a car or something like that. And he'll like, just tap her on the head and look at you. Just the tap, like what are you gonna do about it? Like I'm just gonna tap her on the head. I'm like, this kid, man.

He's trying to push us, dude. He's trying to get a reaction, you know? Yeah, it's tough. Like even so my youngest, like he is at the point now where they both kind of decided after the season, they're not going to do gymnastics anymore. And so now they still have to do practice and kind of work their way towards the end of it.

And you know what, you know what happens when you're already your mind's kind of in a different place and you're done. And their practices have are three hours long. And so it's like, and it's consistent, like a few days a week, like it used to be like four days a week, now it's like three days a week. But so he's just like, oh, like really adamantly doesn't want to go to his, it's a fight like every time now

with him and it's like, one thing that I'm trying to help kind of Courtney deal with this, because I know him very well, because he's very similar to how I was when I was a kid. And it's like, the more, you just have to let him vent. You gotta let him say what he needs to say, you gotta kind of, okay, that's, you let it out, and then you kind of walk your way.

I'm gonna turn the car on, and then you can meet me in the car, and then I'm just kind of walk your way, I'm gonna turn the car on and then you can meet me in the car. And then I'm just like kind of, you know, like guiding the movement in that direction, but not like, like meeting him with friction, right? Like yeah, meeting him with, and so she has a hard time because she wants to check him back and then, you know, then they get into it and then it's like explosive.

And it's a war. Yeah, and I'm just like, it's so, I was trying to kind of show that and like, and it did work. It worked famously, but it's like, it's tough because it provokes, like sometimes if you're in a, having an off day or a day or whatever and then like your kid's just like, wow, like, you know, coming out you hot, like, it's like, you want to, you want to meet that, you know, and it's, that's a distance. That's how I was raised.

Yeah, I was raised like that. Like if you, like it was, it was a war. Then you're gonna lose. And it was just, it just created this oppositional thing that would happen. And yeah, the mom or dad would win because they have all the power, but they, do they really win? Or is it more like, yeah, fine.

The whole family suffers? Yeah, yeah, you just have to be smart about obviously you don't want your kids walk on you No, I'm saying of course you just got to be wise I guess Lies and stern it's chess you want to exist it you want to hear what wasn't wise and smart? This was stupid. Well, you know, it's one of those lessons You have a lesson in your life that you learn now. Sorry. You don't learn you just constantly get Presented with the same lesson ever don't know what's ever happening. That was me this morning.

So we went to the Olympia convention and they're giving out samples of all kinds of crazy supplements. Of course I took as many samples as I could in this morning, I grabbed a pre-workout packet. I'm not gonna say the name because it was the one. Psycho clown or whatever. It was, there was ones with names like psycho clown.

They'll miss that one. They broke. What are you doing? This one, I mean cocaine there. Yeah, I should have known better because the time, the look you look at it, like they're trying to kill me. Drink you this morning and it gave me, I got, I was cold, sweaty, anxiety.

I was like, what the hell is going on? I mean, this is for a workout. It was terrible. It was terrible. I should have known better. I saw the ingredients, but I thought, it was great. Such a testament to what this market is turned into.

I mean, it's the who can make the craziest stimulant to make you feel the most things. It wants not necessarily the most effective. And terrible. You know, when the buyer, when the consumer is their way of describing an effective pre-workout is how fucking crazy they feel, they check the box and like, oh man, that's the shit you gotta try that.

You don't fucking, you don't fuck your day up. It's so great. Crazy clown powder. Yeah, I just feel like a crazy clown this morning. Yeah, I didn't tell. I couldn't even get a good workout in. I was like, dying. Did you tell Justin and Doug what had to do?

We were, one of the days when we're heading up from Olympia, the convention, we're in the elevator. And, Sal and I climbing them, there's a guy in there and him and I are like bullshit and whatever as we walk in talking and the guys like, I could tell he's like looking at Sal. And he's like, hey, I know you. He's like the,

I'm all, you mind pumping, listen, mind pumping. He's like, no, what's going on? Yeah, it doesn't know what my focus is. Yeah, and he goes, it's like, it's like protein powder. Yeah, but no, he goes pay, but paleo, paleo broth or something like that. It's like paleo, I'm all from the commercial. I'm all from the valley. I'm all, there's broth or something like that. It's like paleo from the commercial. I'm all there's a taste like chocolate donuts.

He's like, yeah, yeah, that's like paleo valley chocolate. Literally famous with everything else. I don't know, that's how I'm trying to. That happened a couple times when we were out. When people would see me or through, I saw you on TikTok and I'm like, do this in a mind pump, what's that? That actually happened one time with like the group of a tattoo artist.

Like they recognized me. It was just because of the Paleo value one where I was like in overalls. And it was like they're like a pig and yeah, I'm like that one. Speaking of Paleo Valley. So we were there. We were doing the booth, right? From what was it? 12 to four or five.

Yeah. And so because we woke up late jet jet lag, and all that stuff, we'd only really get one meal, so we just didn't eat lunch. So we're starving, and I'm hungry. So one of the people at the Transcend booths, like, hey, I'll grab some snacks or whatever. If you guys, please do, like we're starving. So they came back with like beef jerky nuts and slim gyms.

Do you guys remember slim gyms? Yeah. I see these all the times. I'm like, if you wanted those. Bro, I actually have one at that long ago. They're awful. What the awful? It's,

it tastes like processed. It's gas station food. It tastes like processed meat. It made me so grateful. I used to eat it when I was younger, so I thought I was gonna like it, but boy, it has my taste buds changed.

And like I appreciate the Paleo Valley beef jerky so much now. Oh, the meat sticks are way in a different clump. Way better bro. Yeah, I say eight half a point. I'm saying from the way. They're gross. They're disgusting, dude.

It was so disgusting. Super oily and greasy. True. Yeah. So Adam, I want to bring something to you because sometimes you're quite brilliant. And I don't know if you saw this. It's sometimes. Well, I mean it's true

Not always what's here. Who's always really I feel like a shit sound Brilliant I know something that Adam has said on the palm and give it out here I'm gonna give it away because it's actually very very smart observation one thing that you said a while ago is that you know fully fully gas sports cars or cars in general at some point it would be worth a lot of money because all the cars would go electric. So especially if you have a stick shift sports car, that's gas, that's going to be valuable because they're not going to be able to get them anymore, right? Well, I think a lot of old cars in particular are going to be valuable because I don't

know if you guys saw this, but the federal government has mandated that all vehicles sold after 2026, okay, must have a kill switch that can disable your vehicle based on your driving performance, okay? That's ridiculous. Yeah, dude. Are you serious?

Yes, yes. So talk about government, every car after 2026 will have a kill switch. I'm so glad I've been collecting them, yes. So talk about government, like over. Every car after 2026, we'll have a kill switch. I'm so glad I've been collecting them, bro. Turn them off. I bought it, dude. That's why I have not had no interest in electric cars, like this whole time, like there's so,

I mean, you're on a network that somebody can just, oh, yeah, yeah. You're gonna go leave today, sorry. For people listening right now, who are like, oh, you guys, you're in your you know conspiracy fear paranoia Let's let's rewind four years. Let's just go back. Let's go back three years right now three four years of the imagine Do you do if all the cars had kill switches during the height of the COVID insanity? Oh, yeah It would have been as easy as this for them. They would have said all cars disabled

so that nobody travels outside of where they're supposed to and they would have done that. They would for sure would have done that. There were places that would have done that. 100%. Yeah. So old cars would be valuable, dude. Yeah. I know. I know. I was polluting, you know, diesel. We're gonna look like, we're gonna look like Cuba. You know, Cuba. They have like a bunch of classic, you know, cars because they can't be. Oh yeah. Have you seen some of these electric trucks. Oh my god The new challenger has it. I saw the one of the new trucks has got it hold on what car was it a branded shop shared it right? It was and the new challenger is like this too. It's and it's gonna have I think 180 horse gonna be one of the fastest challengers they've ever had, but it's like mostly electric.

And get the stupid noise. No, yeah, I didn't. Later. So I've been in one of these cars before that have the sound of the engine through the speakers. Have you guys ever been in one before? Well, first of all, it doesn't have an engine. It's an electric car.

So this new electric truck has speakers underneath. Where the tailpipe is. That there's no exhaust, no engine sound. Yes. Yeah. It's a pretend. Yeah. It might as well be on a microphone as you're like.

Yeah. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. What the fuck are you doing? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's I Should be the way to next to someone room. Yeah We're kids again. Who are you kidding news? makers guy?

So dumb It's like when you were a child with your little fake car. I mean, I feel like at that point I mean you're gonna go all in on electric. Just own it. Just own it. That's how I would be like if I if I were to buy an electric car It's like yeah, just be your just do that. You don't say it like don't pretend like pretending is worth. That's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, just fucking own it. Own it. Just put it on it.

You're gonna find out. You take them off, bro. I can't believe they actually make it a car like a embarrassing. I mean, like, come on. Like, what was the feedback? What's the feedback been like from like real car enthusiasts, right? I mean, I see it only getting slammed,

so I don't know, you know, maybe it's something they just test. So they've done this for a while. I can't wait to, can I just say, I can't wait to see when in real life. I can't wait to see some stupid kid drive up and rev his pretend engine. I swear, God, do a bullion inside of me. Yeah, yeah, I like I hope I have like rotten fruit.

So I'm like, ready. I'll just play a music. I just put my schedule. Hey, we're going there, though, man. We're going for sure going there. I mean, that's all these, all of them have committed to like most all car, um, uh, not dealerships. Manufacturers, thank you. You're welcome. Have committed by like 2026 to most, if not all their fleet will be electric. I think if you own like a desirable, I think you're right, bro, you hit this on the nail head. Yeah.

If you can buy a desirable all gas engine car now and preserve it. I think the value of that is gonna go through the roof because we collecters like us. There's gonna be people in our generation who are gonna be like, I wanna own a, you know, a two thousand, you know, ten, you know, comeiro or whatever, they're gonna want that. I think there's two things working in that favor.

That point, and then the other point that they still haven't solved this battery and solar grid problem. So you got both, that's why I'm so bullish on, hey, get yourself a supercharged V8 and go park in the garage for a while because it's going to come back. And so it's either going to come back for those reasons where people just miss it and they want that old room. No different than why someone wants to wipe just about a classic car.

Those are still cool. Yeah. A 67 something, 68 something is still a badass car right now. It's only gonna become that much more badass than 10, 15 years from now. Then you add in the fact of what happens when they didn't think about like, wow, what is gonna happen if everybody has electric cars? Well, this is the equivalent of the first cars

playing horse sounds. See? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to tell the classic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's in like Model T's. You know, that's right. It's like you just got to own it, right? I mean, you just need to own that that's what it is. Well, people don't notice like in California. People in California know this. We have California, people don't know this. We have rolling blackouts here because our power grid can't support

our normal electricity usage. Yeah. So what are you gonna do when everybody's plugging their car into their house? At the same time. Yeah. Yeah. And then what are you doing with all these batteries?

There's so many problems that we're not solving that we're talking about right now. So I don't get it. I don't get that on that part, and then you add in the fact like you said people. So, I mean, that's why I'm like all in on that. I totally think that if you own one of the last models of these manufacturers, V8, turbocharged

or supercharged engines that are gas, they're gonna come back, they're gonna come back for sure. A manual stick shift is like auto theft proof. Yes, nobody knows how to drive this. Nobody knows how to drive this. No one knows how to drive this. Yeah, you know that's the number one deterrent from car theft and the number two, you know what number two is?

The club. Yeah, the club. It still works. Yes. Stupid. Yeah. I remember on my second car that got robbed, right? I remember talking on the cop and he was telling me it was like, yeah, if you don't have

a manual, he goes the second biggest deterrent from car theft is still the car. Can I just tell you? I don't know. I don't think I know anybody who's had their car stolen except for you and it's happened you twice. Oh, you don't know. Do you know what I stolen, except for you, and it's happened you twice. Oh, you don't know anymore, I've had a car. No, it's not that common. Have you guys ever lost, had a car stolen?

I never have. No, that area was a little rough. Yeah, well, I had one stolen on Eastside in my house, my condo, gated community, too, by the way. So the hustle and the sky used to ride in on his bike with tools, and when the gate would open, on his bike, and then he'd come in and he'd still car and leave like that.

So, you know what's funny too, is it was gone for like two weeks, and then it reappeared like down the street from my house. Like they dropped it off, then it got towed to thing. So I'll hold another long story, but I told you guys I ended up spending thousands of dollars on playing the tow game back and forth

in my empty of a shell car. And then the second one, the big mistake I made was Katrina and I had a big garage sale. And I had my, that was my, my, my lifted, my other lifted Chevy the one before this one that I had out there and had rims, tires, everything on it, stereo system, all that stuff. And we just had a lot of traffic coming to the house. And so I pretty much set my, and like, so for after that, Katrina, I agree will never do a garage sale

out of our own address. So it's just dangerous. You're just showing everybody your stuff that you have, you know, and you get a ton of people that are coming in that are strangers. And, you know, like, I didn't even, it never dawned on me like,

what a smart, like if you're a thief, what a smart way to shop, you know, people, yeah, case somebody's tough, without them even really knowing, because everyone's so many people coming in and out, it's not gonna look suspicious to have- You really have to think like a criminal. Yeah, I just didn't think about that at all,

and then I didn't know that those Chevy trucks, they're so easy, you just pop the door handle off, and then you, and they get in right into them. Comple's like, oh yeah, these are like the easiest vehicles to steal. I had, I had nobody told me that. It told me that I had a cousin. They didn't tell me that when they were selling it to me. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, you got the easy to steal, mom. Yeah, yeah. I have a cousin. You could buy this. You could just go steal one real easy. I wish he would set that. You want me to write it up or you should go grab a good price for this. I had a cousin who had her jewelry ripped off her neck by a guy on a scooter.

She was in Italy. Oh, I just had some Europe shit right now. That's a big Europe. They do the snatch crap. Yeah, dude just drove by me. He's ripped it off for neck. Tell us in England. Yeah, our cabbie that drove us around.

He's like, he told him that when he DM me before we linked up and had dinner with him, he's like, hey, just tell the boys to watch their iPhones. That's where it's popular, especially with iPhones. Because if they're thousand dollar iPhones now. And you know, so some of the people are like walking around like this with an owl and they come by the scooter, why I just, just grab it out of your hand.

And then take off or if you leave it like on a, on the top of like a coffee table and you're sitting there on coffee, they come by and those little scooters and just, n grab it out of your hand. And then take off, or if you leave it like on the top of like a coffee table and you're sitting there on coffee, they come by and those little scooters and just nab it and go. God forbid somebody do that to me. And I get them, because they're gonna get killed like instantly. I've always wanted to catch some brewed sauce,

you know, steel. I think theft is like one of the worst things you could do. You feel so violated. It's just, it's just, it's just the word. Stealing from another person is just the, I mean, not that this is okay. It is personal. It's one thing stealing for some bullshit store.

Stealing from another human being is like the ultimate like, fuck you. If I caught someone stealing someone else's stuff, I'd beat the shit. You know what's really shitty about it? It's, it's not people in need. No, it's never. No, it's come back.

It's just lazy fucks. It's not like, oh. No, it's never. No, it's scumbags. It's lazy fucks. It's not like, oh, the poor person needs food. They didn't steal shit from your fridge. They're just stealing video games. And I mean, I had my house broken into once. So just, you could tell it was some kids that came in just have fun and take a bunch of stuff. That was terrible.

So that would feel too weird too, like someone coming into my house. Oh, bro, they rifled. I told you guys, my son, son my oldest at the time was he was little. He was six. They stole his Nintendo gaming system and then they broke his piggy bank and took his money. So my six year old didn't want to sleep in his room because some stranger smashed his piggy bank. Oh, I mean, you guys know I went.

I'm off the mountain. That was my son making booby traps and shit. Right. Something to come back. Oh, I mean you guys know I went back off the mountain. Oh, making booby traps and shit. I'm gonna come back. Oh, God. You know, you're speaking of your ice sword out. A speaker your family. Hey, what's up with Alex and Alex? So this is what's cool. I love this, right? So we have obviously a large fitness audience,

but we have a large audience of new parents. And this is smart and smart people. Smart people. And so when we started working with dynasty, one of the questions they had for us was, you guys are fitness. We do trust. So for people who don't know,

dynasties accompany, this is a disruptive company. Because you go online, you go on dynasty, and you set yourself up with a trust for free. So nobody does this. Otherwise, you have to go through a lawyer, the whole deal, go on there, they have the technology, it's all legit legal, and it's free. So they're like, well, your audience is in health and fitness, is it going to translate?

And I said, look, we have a lot of parents that listen to the show, new parents we know because we get a lot of messages. So it was kind of an experiment on their part. Well, now that we've talked about them, this is probably the fourth or fifth time we talked about them, every time we do, they get a huge boost. Oh, so awesome. Yeah, they get a huge boost of people come in and sign up and set themselves up with trust.

So they're all easy for you. A lot of them are like new parents to get going. Yeah. You know, speaking of trying, Doug, you're probably the most averse in this. So you'd be the person to ask if not all us Alex, but I've actually been doing some of my homework on this just for thinking about like future with Macs

and setting things up. You know, like, let's say like one of the properties that we bought, that if we, you know, we bought say four or five years ago and say we passed that down to our kid. And let's say we bought it, say at 400K and let's just say it's worth two million by the time they get it in 20 years. You know, they got it, if we- And let's say we bought it say at 400 K and it let's just say it's worth two million right time

They get it in 20 years. You know, they got it if we Inheritance tax right? Yeah, they get they'll pay capital gains on the on the gain on that Unless it's put in a trust So if you put it in a trust they avoid those capital gains. Did you know that? Yeah, I can't speak to that I Would think that they would be responsible for taxes, but I'm actually gonna sell it. Well, yeah, once you sell, I don't know,

yeah, to probably look at the cost basis of the property. So if you, if they inherit it, okay, listen, so if they inherit it, they inherit it from you. This is no trust, this is the pure inheritance. It's my house, I put it in my will. My son gets my house. And my house is worth a million, two million dollars more

than what it was. They got to pay the capital gains immediately on that house. When that deed transfers from me to them, they will have to pay those capital gains. If it's in a trust, which is what I mean, you would put them in that trust right now, they do not pay those capital,

there's no capital gains to be paid. Yeah, I don't know. That's a great question for a CPA or somebody. Yeah. I mean, this is what I, this is what I read myself so far. I could be wrong, but the way I understood it, that's exactly how it works is. And I was like, damn, that's a big difference.

Oh, well, oh, so here's what's cool. And so in general, so the rules are complex. I'm reading right now. I'm not an expert on this. This is what I just read up looked up. So in general, so the rules are complex. I'm reading right now. I'm not an expert on this. This is what I just read up looked up, but it said, but generally speaking, so this is for when someone inherits a trust, right, instead of the actual property in here at the trust.

It says, generally speaking, only the earnings of a trust are taxed, not the principle. So if they inherit the trust and the principles in there, in other words, they could tax on the rent if they're collecting rent. Right, right, right. But not on the principle. Yeah, not what the trust and the principles in there, in other words, they could tax on the rent if they're collecting rent. Right, right. But not on the principles. Yeah, not what the gains on the houses. Now, if they were to not have it in a trust, you would actually be, you'd have to,

which is why you hear a lot of times when people inherit like a home like that, they got to sell it. Yeah. Because they can't even afford to keep it. Because they got to pay the taxes on that inheritance right away in order to transfer that over into their name. Yeah, very good.

And so if you inherit a lot from somebody who's extremely wealthy like that, it wasn't put in a trust. You end up having to pay these massive capital gains. Versus if you were smart enough to put that in a trust for your kids first, then yeah, the only way they're gonna pay sales if they have the renters and they're gonna, of course,

they would, but that's normal. It's now cash flow for them. But if that house went up $2 million, it gained that principle over say two decades or whatever you've owned it. They're not gonna pay the capital gains on that. So it says here, an irrevocable trust is a legal entity that owns property for you. Once you give property to an revoke, a revokeable trust, sorry, it becomes very hard for you to get it out. However, that's okay. So you want to leave it there. However, because the irrevocable, irrevocable trust is in the same legal entity as you, when you die, it doesn't. And the money in it passes without inheritance tax. So there you go. Interesting.

Very well. Look, here's a deal. In the past, a trust was you go to a lawyer, you pay thousands of dollars. Now you have a trust with dynasty. It's free. Literally takes you 10 minutes. You go on there. Anybody can go on there right now and start. I've already had since we started working with him.

I've had like three of my family members all set it up. Yeah. Yeah, just because of it. It's free. So you may as well get, even if you don't have millions and millions of dollars, it makes sense to do that. And if you just have a house and you know it's gonna go to your kid or kids, putting in that makes total sense.

Totally, they don't get screwed with all the count. No, and it doesn't have to go to probate and all that other shit, which is a pain. Yeah, very cool. All right, so shout out, you just mentioned the cabie. Yeah, that would be a good thing. Storm cab. Storm cab, he has it.

So it's just funny. We know him through his social media handle. mentioned the cabbie. That would be a big one. Yeah, that would be a big one. Storm cab. Storm cab. He has it. So it's just funny. We know him through his social media handle. He actually has like a little some followers, right? But he's a cabbie in London. And I guess they all like all the cabbies there know him.

And we got it. We got it. We got it to a second cab. Then after we had met him and somebody recognized us. And then we said, oh man, that's crazy. We just met another cabbie. And he knew. He's We just met another cabbie and he knew he was right away. So that's this social media handle. But a lot of fun, man.

We hung out with it. Strong as fuck too. Yeah. Dude, dude strong. Any's what was this Rubik's cube time down to? Oh, yeah. I was like three minutes. I think he's done two less than that.

No, it was less than that. Was it? Yeah, it was like 40 seconds. Yeah. Oh, wow. It's under a pee. Less than that. No, it was less than that. Was it? Yeah, it was like 40 seconds. Yeah. Oh wow, it's under a minute. Yeah. Oh wow. But great guy, we ended up having dinner with him and stuff

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Hi Monica, how can we help you? Hi, I'm just like everyone else. I want to say thank you guys so much for everything you do. Been listening to you guys for a long time. And a lot of my joy and laughs come thank you guys so much for everything you do. I've been listening to you guys for a long time and a lot of my joy and laughs come from you guys as well as great source of knowledge. So I appreciate it. So so much. Thank you.

You got it. So little backstory. I was pregnant. Two pregnancies back to back there, 11 months apart. And I really bad back problems. And I just kind of assumed it was always sciatica stuff but after having my babies I still really dealt with the back issues so I finally went to a chiropractor and he asked me all the questions and I told

them I left weights and worked out and he ended up just really making me feel silly for that. He said that I'm causing my back issues and said that if I continue to lift, I'm gonna regret it later on in life. Oh God. He said anything that loads my spine is just causing all my issues. And he kind of just really made me feel silly because he said he's trained a lot of Olympic athletes

and he used to own a gym and basically said that weight training is just a new fat or a new trend basically. Tell me what this guy's at. I'll find him. He said, but just really made me feel bad. So I know in my heart, obviously none of that's true, but I was kind of wondering if you guys can make me feel better about what he was saying.

Also funny, because when I originally sent this question, because a couple months ago, and then just life happened and I didn't go to the gym as I should have for like a month and I've been back probably like the last seven days and my back is hurting again. So I feel kind of bad about that. So Monica, I want a little bit more information, okay? Because it doesn't make any core related.

That's how I'm gonna get it. Yeah, but it doesn't make sense that he would say all this and he owned a gym and he's trained athletes. So there might be more. Was he, did he ask you what you did? Did he tell you what the problem was? Maybe it was the exercises that you were performing. Maybe he just needed it too.

He could also be an idiot, but I wanna give him a chance because that sounds crazy. I can't imagine somebody today saying, weight training's a fad. This is what I said. Right, and that's honestly exactly what he said. And I felt so still, I'm not sure, I'm not usually this person,

but I'm not sure if he would have talked to me like that if it was a guy, I don't know, because he was just kind of talking down to me and I left there feeling so defeated. But yeah, he asked me if I squat and stuff and then he straight up, I kid you not said that if I want big glutes, I should run up a hill. Okay, he isn't if I squat and stuff and then he straight up, I kid you not said that if I want big lutes I should run up a hill. Okay. Yeah, he's an idiot. He isn't. What's his name? Yeah, I don't remember honestly.

I don't know. We give him a shout out. Chain power factors, but I think I'm not sure if that you know the joint or whatever if that. How do you think to do it? But okay, so here's the strength training is just a tool. Okay, it's just a form of exercise. That is, it does a really good job. Better than any of the form of exercise, it's strengthening muscle and the body in improving functional ranges of motion. That's what it is.

Okay, that's it. Bottom line. So it's not a fat, it's a tool. Just like running as a tool or any of the form of exercise. Now, because it's a tool, like all tools, it can be used properly or it can be used improperly. Without any more information, it's hard for me to tell you what exercises to do

or to avoid and what to focus on for you. I'm going to need a little bit more information on what your workout looks like, what exercises have you identified that might be hurting your back? Where's your back pain? Let's get a little bit more information. Lower back, he actually told me it was my hip flexors, which I was kind of surprised.

So I wanna maybe do stretches that help those, but yeah, it's my lower back. And I've noticed when I do RDLs, which is like my favorite exercise, it definitely gets sore. Okay. Is there one side of your lower back? Is it across the lower back? It's across the lower back. Okay. Is it one side of your low back or is it across the low back?

It's across the lower back. Okay. I'm going to guess, Kate, one of the things she gave us, clues here, and by the way, this is just me speculating, we wouldn't need more information. But I've had clients that have had ran babies back to back. When you do that, you don't give a lot, like the core atrophies that has to atrophy in order for you to build a baby in these at elasticity. That's right.

And then because you ran it right back, had another kid like that, you probably didn't, you probably didn't get a chance to kind of rebuild it, restrain, then get reconnected there. And so my guess would be that we just have a really atrophied in weak core right now. And doing something like RDLs, you know, that's an area that you need that support

there and because you're not getting the support, you're feeling the stress and the low back. That's my guess based off of the little bit of information we have so far. So to be more specific, it's not general overall weakening, although that happens. It's the change in recruitment patterns that happen in the body to make room for baby and to be able to maintain mobility. So your pelvis will shift from to more of an anterior tilt. So like the butt will stick out more as the belly comes out. You lose stability in your, from your abdominals. You'll lose stability from your transverse abdominals. The obliques will maintain some stability. And the hip flexors do take over quite a bit because those are still there trying to stabilize from your transverse abdominals, the obliques will maintain some stability.

And the hip flexors do take over quite a bit because those are still there, trying to stabilize your lower spine. And so what happens is you have a baby and without doing specific exercises to kind of retrain the recruitment pattern, strengthen the muscles that are weak and get the muscles that are over,

maybe overdoing their job to kind of take a backseat a little bit. You had another baby and so it just it just solidified everything. So now you go back to traditional exercises like a squat and your core is stabilizing in a way that it did when you were pregnant except you're not now. And so you can start to cause some problems. So there's a couple movements that I think would be really good for. Yeah. So I like the vacuum pose or vacuum exercise for the TV that transverse abdominis. We can active point. Yeah. And well, I also like there's a hip flexor deactivator crunch video that I did a long time ago. Okay. So we're going to send it to you. That's I think that's the title. In fact, yeah, hip flexor deactivator you. That's I think that's the title in fact. Yeah, hip flexor, deactivator crunch. That would be exceptional for you

because what we're trying to do is get your hip flexors and your core muscles to communicate a little bit better. So that's those two exercises I think will help you quite a bit. And then when it comes to exercises like dead lifts or squats, I would avoid those until things start to feel really stable. Hip thrusts are fine. So hip thrusts are really good. Body weight, body weight lunges are going to be fine unless you have pelvis pain issues, but you would have told us that if that was a case.

No, I don't. Yeah. Okay. So lunges are good. Bulgarian split stance squats are good. Hip thrusts are probably okay. I wouldn't do anything like a deadlift yet, but you could do leg curls. Well, map starter to get her going. Starter would be amazing. Yeah, I would let us give you map starter. This is what I had Katrina run after she was after we had maps.

So she ran a map starter for a while. And then you also get the stability ball in there, which is going to help. Those climbers before your workouts, so it really will help you kind of repattern that. So repattering your bracing mechanism is crucial right now. So everything kind of, we're bringing it up. In terms of being able to reconnect with that,

like in even doing our wall test to make sure to, your ribs aren't flaring too much. And it's really paid attention to that, like to be able to brace and like control and like keep support to the spine in any movement. Otherwise, you're gonna keep feeling it if we don't get that established. Monica, the other thing I wanna do,

so we're gonna send you over starter. I also wanna have Doug put you in the private forum because I know we're all like throwing a bunch of stuff at you right now. Do this, do that, do this, do this. I'm trying to write it all down. Yeah, I can see that. So we'll send you links.

Thank you. So we're going to, yeah, well, those send you links. We'll also send you map starter. And then I'm also going to put you in the private forum. That way you can communicate with us as you go through this process. Okay? Because I know we're throwing, yes, we're throwing a bunch of stuff at you. And it'll be much better for us to hear you go, apply some of the things we're talking about.

You give us feedback. Tell us what you're feeling what you're noticing and then we make any sort of critiques and adjustment. Yeah, 100% okay unless there was a major injury or something 100% this is solvable. Yep awesome. Thank you guys so much and do you guys think a tire factor is smarter should I? Stupid. No, no, no, no, God. No, yeah, terrible. I've avoid that guy. I wish you remember the negative star reviews. Yeah, I wish you remember the main. Powerpactors in general are just not. No, no chiropractors to have that background, but they're brilliant Connect right away with doctor brink. So they're in there So when you get in the private forum and you share some of this stuff with us and them you could tag doctor brink

That's right just them brink and then see what he says Okay, thank you guys so much. I love it. You're awesome. You got it. I'm on it. Thanks for calling in Yeah, thank you if you're ever in Reno come say hi Yeah, congratulations on the family by Yeah. Thank you. If you're ever in Reno, come say hi. Yeah, congratulations on the family, by the way. It's right. Thank you guys. Bye. Bye.

So we haven't talked about, what was the name of the company we work with that sends P.T. is your house? Luna. Luna. We haven't talked about them for a while. I think one of the biggest misses in physical therapy, one of the biggest misses in, yes, postpartum, exorbitational exercise. Such a good investment, right?

So if you're considering ever investing in a trainer and you are having a baby or about to have a baby, maybe the most important time and maybe the most beneficial time to have a specialist like that, who's right there with you that's watching. Because, you know, we can say here all day and give her all these movements, but how she performs the movements.

Neck or change, you're on, you can see intention. Yes, which is why I want to put her in the forum because the next step to this, okay, great, here's all these exercises we want her to do, but if she's not articulating them correctly or moving the exercises we want her to do. But if she's not articulating them correctly or moving the way we want her to, they won't do anything. If anything, I might even cause problems. Right. So that's important. And so if you're

listening to this and you are pregnant or about to be pregnant or just were pregnant, investing in a specialist at that time, well, the challenge is this. And here's why because I think it's if you get rehab post surgery, that's necessary. Everybody knows that rehab post baby is also necessary. The challenge is you just had a baby, you're not going to go drive to a clinic, have your new born at home type of deal. So they don't do it. Luna sends someone to your house. So that's the difference. So and I believe the websites get Luna dot com. So I wonder if they're out in Reno. They might not be out. But they sense, they, well, they're growing,

but they sense it, and that's what you, as a new mom, I'm not gonna leave my baby, you know, to be. Now, as far as the hip flexor thing is concerned, people are like, well, how's the hip flexor cause a little back pain? One of the hip flexors, the so-as muscle, it starts with a P, it goes through the body and attaches it at the, at the lumbar spine.

So, when the so-as is doing more than it should, in which in the case of somebody who's pregnant, often that's what it does, often times the pain is at that insertion point, right, where the spine is, so it feels like low back pain. And you think it's your spine, but really it's a tight sore, hip flexor, and you might wonder, why is my hip flexor so tight?

It has to stay tight to stabilize your core because all those other muscles that normally with stabilizer not doing it. So last night defense. That's right. Our next caller is Kimberley from New Jersey. Hi, Kimberly. How can we help you? Hi. I just want to say thanks for taking my call. I'm really excited to meet you guys. It's a little little weird seeing you guys like this. I'm kind of nervous. sorry. Don't be. Tell us what you're doing. So I wrote down my question and I put a little background for you guys. I was diagnosed with PCS when I was younger and thanks to the help of a holistic nutritionist a few years ago I learned

with diet and exercise only. I'm capable of managing the symptoms. I'm a mom of a wonderful three year old boy. Since his birth, I lost and kept off 80 pounds through mostly strength training and light cardio. But mostly, but most importantly, I was tracking my macros and staying consistent with a high fat lower carb diet. My protein's always stayed around my body weight at 155 and it was always

through whole foods. I've been strength training for about two and a half years now and completely understand how much it helped manage my symptoms, but every year I like to sign up for some new fitness challenges. I signed up for the high-rocks competition in New York and it's not a crossfit competition, so I know how you guys feel about that, but it is called a fitness race. And this is the biggest fitness race I've ever signed up for. And I really wanted to get seriously. So my question is, without all that being said,

I was told I need to up my carbohydrate significantly to help my performance. And I understand that carbs are essential for performance. But hyrox is eight months away. So I don't know how to switch from my current low-carb diet to my new high-carb diet without it affecting my PCOS symptoms along the way. You guys know high-rocks is it's with Hunter McIntyre,

buddy, does? I just looked at it. I looked it up before we got on with the camera. You know it is, right? Yeah, so you run like a kilometer. Then you do like a fitness station. You know, again, rowing, running. Yeah. So it's it's not CrossFit, but it's like CrossFit's, you know, second cousin. Did you, uh, did you listen to the episode? I don't know how long you've been listening to Mind Povernau, but this is a long time ago. We did, we interviewed Zach Bitter.

Do you remember? Do you know? Yeah, yeah, ultra-marathon. Yeah, that's why I'm bringing it up. That's why I'm bringing it up. Are you familiar with that episode at all? I have it. No, I haven't seen that one. That would be a good listen for you. Well, so okay, so here's a deal.

You sent in your question and you put your macros and your calories. So I have a couple of questions about this. And then there's the asterisks, which says you have PCOS. So that's going to, it's going to change things a bit. Okay, so you're currently eating 1900 calories, 143 grams of protein, 80 grams of fat, 190 grams of carbs. So that's what a coach had suggested. Okay, that's the macros he told me to follow. I actually follow it, definitely. Now you're 5'3, 155. And what does your workout look like?

Because that's not that many calories if you're training for an event like this, in my opinion. So I'm also a graphic designer, and I sit for eight hours a day. OK. So that kind of comes into play a little bit, but my workouts are, it's usually strength training, but for high rocks, I haven't started the training yet. So I want to start with this coach, but the first thing he told me was that I have to up my carbs

for the training, and it's just kind of bearing me a little. You might need to up your calories at some point too. So just keep that in mind. Okay? Your carbs are not high. They're not high carbs. I wouldn't call that high carb. However, you did have PCOS, and there's a very strong connection with PCOS and insulin insensitivity or insulin resistance. So oftentimes, people don't know, polycystic ovarian syndrome.

One of the treatments is to go on a low carbohydrate diet along with strength training. And that helps a lot of people. And I think it has to do more with the insulin sensitizing effects. Now, 190 carbs, not that much. You'll be working out a lot. That should make a big difference. However, the only way to really know here would be to wear a CGM.

And that's what I would recommend. I wish I could do that. You can. You can get a CGM. You can work. Yeah. So in fact, the company that we work with, NutriSense, if you go to NutriSense.io and I think it's forward slash MindPump, I know that you'll get a discount if you go through our link. But if you go there, they'll give you a CGM and you'll work with their nutritionists. And then knowing your circumstances, what they'll do is they'll look at your blood glucose in real time. Now, if your blood glucose is managed very well, even at 190 grams of carbs, because of exercise, strength, training, the whole deal, you're probably going to be okay. But if you're on 190 grams of carbs and you're getting some interesting blood glucose

readings from your CGM, then you're probably going to want to cut those down. So that's, that, that'll tell you it's like the canary in the coal mine. Before you start to get those symptoms of PCOS, you would see blood glucose levels that didn't necessarily, you know, look healthy, I should say. She said she couldn't do it. How come you can't do it? My sons in daycare, and I live in New Jersey. It's a little expensive for me, but I'm hoping somehow I can afford it, but I've always looked

into New Jersey since I've done all their like polls and everything and get their emails all the time. And I'd love to sign up for it. But that might be something in the future. But if you guys suggest it, I mean, I can try harder. I mean, it's just a worthwhile investment for you specifically. Well, let me ask you this. It's not something that I think we would tell 90% of the people,

but because you have a very specific goal right now, and we're obviously flirting with something that could not be ideal for you when you're when you're increasing carbohydrates. The generic answer would be I would just I would schedule them around your workout. You'll probably be okay. So whatever amount of carbohydrates that you increase from the norm, I would literally put that right around the workout. Is this coach that you're working with more than just doing diet? Are they training you too? He has workouts for me, yeah. Okay.

Okay. Because I was going to say if you neutral sense, they'll cover the nutrition part. So I don't know if you could trade the cost of the coach for working with someone from neutral sense. Maybe I can see. Yeah. And then when it comes to workouts, we, you know, we can send you maps OCR, which will probably for working with someone from NutriSense. Maybe I can see. Yeah. Yeah, and then when it comes to workouts,

we can send you maps OCR, which will probably prepare you pretty fucking well, sorry, excuse my language for your race. Optical course racing is very similar. And the programming is really, really, really well done. And we can send that to you for free. Yeah, I mean, I honestly think that, I mean, I'm not that privy to high rocks.

I have somewhat of an idea because Hunter's a friend and I've watched what he does. It doesn't seem like it's that complex to program for the training aspect. I think the diet part for you is just way more important. Yeah. So if I'm you and I'm preparing for this and I would, whatever little money you can invest,

I would be putting that towards the nutrition piece more than I would be the actual choice. My only advice would be this, Kim, when you look at the event, if there are movements and exercises that you're not super privy to, like you're not very good at them or you've never really practiced them or trained them,

incorporate them into your workout. I don't think that, okay. And reduce the volume from other areas. But it's like pull up run row. What's in there? Can you tell us what's it like a sled push is led pole. The when you throw the medicine ball up. Yeah.

Um, the skierg and then the rower as well. And then the sandbag lunges and then burpees. Yeah. You're so I mean, I would incorporate, you can incorporate those in your workout by replacing it, replacing other exercises. Like if we send you maps, you know, OCR, and there's a, you can take one exercise out,

replace it with one of the ones that you'll be doing in your event and kind of follow the same programming, and you should be okay. I really think a CGM would be valuable for someone like you because it's not just about the carbs The carbs themselves can all also have a different effect on you because there is an individual variant So there may be some carbs that work really well with you right you might find you can bump to 190 Using rice, but if you do keen wall it does it totally different or you could get away with certain carbohydrates

Totally and that's the value and for, because of your case, that you're a person where this is gonna be extremely valuable, even if you just do it for a six month period of time where you could track all these different carbohydrates, you can measure an intense workout with this much carbs, a lower intensity workout with this one. And like, oh, if I have it at this time versus that time,

I mean, the education that you're gonna get around that, I just, I think it's in value. It's the most individualized you can make your day. Of all the things that you could do, I think that's going to be the most valuable. Well, that's going to carry you beyond this competition. That's right. You'll be able to apply that for the rest of your life. Because the truth is, this is just the fact, unless it makes somebody's health worse, okay?

Carbohydrates carbohydrates are gonna improve performance when it comes to this kind of competition. Like, Zach Bitter was on our show, he does ultra marathon, but it's very low intensity endurance. And you can make the case for being ketogenic and doing that, but what you're doing is high intensity cardiovascular endurance type training.

And I mean, every study done on that shows carbohydrates will improve performance unless they make you unhealthy, in which case, then it's not worth it. You'll perform better or eating a different way. But it's hard to know that on an individual level without a CGM on your own. What you're going to have to do is wait until you start to get symptoms. But you've been dealing with PCOS. You know what that's like. You get symptoms. Now you got a reverse course and it sucks for like a month. So it'd be better to know before you get symptoms on what's going on.

And that's going to stay with you beyond this competition. This is going to be something that you'll be able to monitor because you can work with them and then and pay to work with the nutritionists and then just keep the CGM just so you could see the readings and then kind of work on your own. So I think for someone like you, it's extremely valuable. Well, the nutritionist kind of skier me in the way

for the performance. Yes, especially if you communicate that. Oh, they're the best. They're really, really good at what they do. They're not like online influencer codes. No, they're real nutritionists. Yeah, they're legit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, they're gonna be able to guide you they're legit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they're going to be able to guide you. Okay, I think that's a great idea. I think you guys can convince my husband now. It's so valuable. Well, Chris Mrs. coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, we'll send you OCR though. Okay, because that program is going to be most beneficial for someone like you. Look at the programming, like I said, you could swap out movements, but I think that program would take you right to the competition and you would do great. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

You got it. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Good question. Because I mean, if she didn't have the issue of PCOS, I'm like, no, that's not high-car, that's totally fine. Yeah, yeah, no, that's, but I mean the, and I know that the cost was an issue, right?

But I mean, if she's paying for a coach, I would, I would just be more valuable. Yeah, I mean, I'll reallocate sort of, yeah, your priorities. Yeah, especially movements like that. Yeah, I mean, and that's gonna go away from her. And that's a devalue the coach who's helping her. I'm sure that coach could do a lot as far as helping,

but it's like, if I had to like, way out which one's more important for this specific client, I mean, her learning that, because like, to yeah, because she doesn't do this competition again, or she just doesn't want, like, this is gonna stick with her. Yeah, the information she's gonna get is totally invaluable for sure.

Our next caller is Wade from Colorado. Wade, what's happening? How can we help you? You with a warning guys? Is that a war right? Where are you at? Where is that? Is that a sales sales room professor? What do you do? Hey conference room at work. Okay. All right.

How can we help? I wanted to be in a mind pump kickback mode. I talked with you. It looks nice and relaxed. What you got for us? So first I wanted to give you an update. I talked to you guys about a year ago. You gave me some great advice. I put on 10 pounds of muscle at age 49. Wow. Yeah, super awesome. So best progress I've had in a decade. So thank you guys for that. That's great. So my question is, I'm looking for training program to run concurrently with a rock climbing training program. And what the rock climbing program does is it focuses all on the skill and technique. What it doesn't do, it doesn't have any free weights in it. It's all basically like finger strength, that sort of thing. And where I'm lacking is what we call the approach to the climbs,

which is steep hiking, a lot of gear on your back, water, that sort of stuff. And I'm finding my right quad for whatever reason, especially on the descent, is fatiguing a lot. I think it's a vastest lateralis, but just to be a little more specific. Anyway, I've got basically three things I think that are happening. I had a ACL replacement on a left side, so I think maybe I'm favoring my left a little bit,

so maybe I'm putting more on my right. Maybe some imbalance, my squat rack, the way it's set in my garage, the left side of the floor is slightly higher than the right, so I was maybe technically going deeper or shifting in that, so I've tried to counter that by putting my right foot on a little bit of a lift just to try to keep that a little more even.

And then the third thing is I seem to be really posterior dominant. So I'm looking for ways to address that. One thing I've done since I was sending this question, I already started running anabolic. I mean, I did pre-phase and I'm in phase one now, but I swapped out the conventional deadlifts for track bar deadlifts because that seems like that activates my quads a little more. But there wasn't that.

Anything I do lower body, I never really feel it in my quads. So with that being said, any advice you guys have or any other questions? Yeah, well, I want to know a little bit more about the training for the rock climbing. Like, what's the, what's the frequency of that? Are you doing that three days a week, two days a week? Like, what's it, what's it look like?

So what I'm doing right now, so when I went through a static, or I'm sorry, anabolic, and the reason I picked that is because the rock climbing is in four phases and the first phase is kind of an endurance phase, so I did that with pre-phase because I thought they kind of matched up.

I don't know if that matters, but I'm trying to match like the strength phase with the strength phase, et cetera, et cetera. But basically, I'm trying to do anabolic two days a week and the rock climbing two days a week. Is this indoor, outdoor? Outdoor. But a lot of the training is indoor because it's hang boarding,

but when we're actually in season, we're outside. And how long? And that's where I can. How long are you rock climbing for? So twice a week you're rock climbing. How long is that? Like in a training session, or were are you rock climbing for? So twice a week you're rock climbing, how long is that? Like in a, in a training session or were we actually outside climbing? Both. Like so, whatever, you know,

whatever you do during your week with rock climbing, what does that look like? So it depends, but so in the training, what I did with pre-phase was that's where you, you actually go to rock climbing gym and you get on a wall and you just climb up and down it. Okay. as long as you can hang on, so about five to ten minutes, then you rest ten minutes, five minutes, just a few sessions of that. Okay, good. Okay, so, and how serious are you about the rock climbing? Because that'll influence how I answer this question. Is this like a hobby or are you like, I really want to maximize my rock climbing performance?

Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna you guys had Tommy Caldwell on the show a long time ago like I'm never gonna be at that level It's just basically There's kind of this threshold where you get to like This intermediate to intermediate advanced level where you can really separate yourself from other people not so much in your Your skills that part of it, but you can get away from people because people can't climb that stuff. So I'm only trying to bump it up a little bit, so it's not like my sport.

It is my hobby, but we do do it your round. We do ice climbing in the winter, but it's recreational, I guess I should say. Okay. So obviously nothing's going to get you better at rock climbing than rock climbing, okay? Practicing rock climbing. As far as exercise is concerned, strength is always important, but when you're rock climbing, you're now playing a bit of a different game because this is more about strength to weight ratio than it is strength, okay? So, you know, let's say you gain 10 pounds of lean body mass, but your strength doesn't

go up in proportion to that, or it does, let's strength doesn't go up and proportion to that. Or it does, let's say it does go up and proportion. You're at the same place you were before, you're just bigger, right? Or maybe the ratio changes in the negative. And this can happen when you start to gain a lot of muscle mass. You don't look like a small guy, you look like you've got a decent amount of muscle on you. So gaining muscle at this point for rock climbing may be a negative because you're bigger and stronger but now you're heavier and that can take away from your ability to perform at rock climbing. So you want to consider that. And then the other thing with your training that's very important is to work on mobility.

If you'll notice, because I've trained a few rock climbers, the ability to reach your leg up and stretch across and get different grips and position your body is So important in rock climbing. It's more important than almost any other physical attribute Of course you want stability strength a lot stuff, but if you're Mobility lacks to where you can't get a foot position because you can't bring your leg to that position Then that's gonna hamper your ability to do the sport. So mobility training is gonna be crucial for someone like yourself. So I have a protocol idea, and I wanna hear what you guys think.

Like if he's a client of mine, and it sounds like you actually do a decent amount of climbing to where we wanna be somewhat good at this. It's not like you're just doing this for one time and then you're done. I actually would probably put him only at one day, and I'd run Maps Performance Foundation one day a week. The other day would be a full one day, and I'd run maps performance foundation one day a week.

The other day would be a full mobility day, and the rest is climbing. Yeah, that's 1000. That's 100% where I was going. So it's enough to stimulate, like, you're not going to lose a ton of muscle. We might sacrifice a little bit, but not a lot. I think you're going to keep the physique. You're probably happy with what you built. We're probably not going to make any major gains, but then most of the effort is put towards mobility

and then also improving all the things that you need to do for the rock climbing. So that would probably be the protocol that I would throw you on. Yeah, I like that. And I like, I even like map symmetry. Yeah, I was gonna say unilateral training for me just to address some of these discrepancies you're finding in terms of like one

cybers the other and like how to get more quad involvement and to slow down and really like the isometric portion in that especially for you to regain connectivity there and really feel like you know you're going to get your quads a little bit more involved in some of these exercises because you should be feeling your quads when you're squat when you're doing step ups when you're going to get your quads a little bit more involved in some of these exercises because you should be feeling your quads when you're squat, when you're doing step-ups, when you're doing lunges, like doing these basic movements with your legs. So spending that extra bit of time to reconnect and tense those muscles up and really recruit that extra time to muscle recruit is going to be crucial to that. I agree, and actually when I was thinking of performance, I'm not thinking phase one, I'm thinking like phase two.

So in phase two, it's multi-player. That's what I like. So I like the idea that it's unilateral, so I agree with you on the unilateral, and it's multi-planar, so it's gonna challenge him in different directions. So I think performance phase two, it'd be kind of where we would live

as far as our foundational programming. That would be the one day a week program. And then the mobility workouts or sessions that are performance, I would like for you to do those as often as you can. This should take you about 15, 20 minutes, but those will really improve your ability to utilize your strength in the most efficient way possible.

That's what you're really looking at when you're looking at rock cl- or any other sport for that matter is, yes, I'm strong, but am I efficient with my strength? Because you take a bodybuilder who's incredibly strong, you have them rock climb, they're so inefficient with their strength because they're not trained in that way,

that they'll fatigue and lose performance dramatically. And then you look at a rock climber who couldn't lift a tenth of the weight that the bodybuilder could, but they climb the wall like it's like they're a spider. So a lot of this has to do with, of course, your technique and practice, but mobility is going to be everything. It's going to be everything. And in fact, that's what's going to help you with this right to left issue as well. And I think too, like again, stressing the isometric component of like really taking that extra bit and creating a longer hold. So you get more endurance through that grit. So in terms of translation of like how that's going to play out with your climbing, to

not get fatigued holding positions in a tense muscle contraction, you can actually train that to extend a bit further. So, you know, like, and that's just something to consider. It doesn't always translate well, like sport versus exercise, like there's differences there, but in terms of you actually like extending the endurance of being able to hold and control your body, that would be ideal.

Yeah, so a routine would be like one day a week, maps, performance, foundational workout, mobility sessions, at least once a week, but two or three would be great. And then two to three days a week of rock climbing. In fact, if you could do a third day of rock climbing with that, I think that would be four days a week of workouts, essentially mobility sessions, we don't necessarily need to consider those workouts. I think that would be a really, really good combination of what you're looking for. So, let me ask you guys this.

So, you mentioned performance, which I've run before, and I liked, if I wanted to kind of work on this leg imbalance, because legs, people think hands and fingers for rock climbing, but you do use your legs a lot. If you're smart, you're usually like, even more, right? Because you're standing up. If I did something like symmetry to kind of work on that, and then I remember in performance, the one thing that really kind of lit up that part of my quadrihertz is the ice skaters, and kind of like replacing something in symmetry with the ice skaters or just doing it.

No, if you already have performance, then we'll send you symmetry, and you can follow one of like replacing something in symmetry with the ice gators or just doing it actually. No, if you already have performance, then we'll send you symmetry and you can follow one of the foundational workouts from symmetry and that's all unilateral stuff, except for the last phase. Okay, cool. Yeah, and you would be totally set.

And yes, you do use your legs a lot in rock climbing. But if you look at the top rock climbers, when it comes to muscle hypertrophy and like strength, it's in their back, it's in their biceps, it's in their forearms, and their legs have a lot of stamina. They don't have big huge, like big ass quads and glutes, rock climbing, probably not so good. Yes, such a strength to weight ratio thing. Yes, it's an earlier point of view, maybe even leaning out a bit more and getting, you

know, more just strength focus, but necessarily not putting on mass. Yes. Yeah, that would be ideal. Yeah, there's a level of rock climbing where you're climbing so much stuff that's overhanging, that I mean, it's pulling yourself in. I'm not looking to be that level because it's just, it's kind of insane.

But for me, like I said, it's a lot of it's more the lake stamina because you're hiking up these slopes that are miles long before you even start climbing. And that's where I'm getting crushed. Yeah, I know what you're talking about that fatigue sense. There could be just a straight strength imbalance, but it's probably more of a stability thing. That's happening.

So because of the lack of stability, muscles are just, they're just working overtime. They're addressed with you. You're in a lot of work. Yeah, you're in a lot of work, take care of them. Yeah, that's happening. So because of the lack of stability, muscles are just, they're just working overtime. They're just getting addressed with you. You're in a lot of work. Yeah, you're in a lot of work, take care of them. Yeah, that's why. I mean, you're going to get both that. He's going to build strength and he's going to build stability by running that program.

So, I mean, I think that's the recommendation. That's the way to go. I think the only thing that a client, sometimes in your case, would be fearful of because you did so much good work of building the muscle is that, oh my God, I'm going to shrink. I'm going to lose all this great work. You won't. You'll be okay. You know, your hormones are optimized.

You did a lot of good work putting that muscle on. You'd be surprised just the one foundational day of week because it's not like you're not active. You're still stimulating those muscles as you're rock climbing, doing other stuff. I just think you might be a little bit over trained and there might be a little bit of instability going on right now. Okay, so I'll stop in a box. I'll start doing symmetry.

What do you think about after the rock climbing season is basically spring and fall, mostly. Summer and winter are kind of rough. What do you think about running symmetry and then in the winter I bought power lift running that and the winner and then swapping back to something and I love that. So I would like to muscle up. Yeah. Yeah. What I think would be good would be when the season is over run symmetry as it's laid out. So it's three days a week. It's full workout and then follow power lift just because what you said about your offset with your squats and stuff,

sounds like you've been training that way for a while, you'll probably benefit from training symmetry for a while. But I love this idea of like, you know, treating it like seasons like that. You know, there's a time for you to get it. That's the best way to do it. Yeah, there's a time for you to get after it. Let's try and pack some muscle on, get stronger,

and then there's times to optimize the workout to, you know, compliment your rock climbing. Right now it's optimized to get the best that of your rock climbing. Right now, it's optimized to to get the best out of your rock climbing. And then when we get out of that season, then let's get after it with the weights and I think running symmetry. And by the way, the end of symmetry is a five by five. It's a five by five. The last phase is five by five. I push you right into very much very much so like powerlifting. So it's a nice way to transition you right into that. Okay, cool. Thanks guys.

Yeah, you got it. Thanks for calling in, yeah, huh? Yeah. Have a good one. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, easy. Yeah, yeah, it's funny when you look at like different sports and what's valuable and what isn't. Like, you know, if you play football,

strength away, it's always important, but weight is also important because you're hitting people. Yeah, you actually need mass because of all the impact. Yeah, you're climbing, like, you know, you could get bigger and stronger and drop performance because your strength is not efficient for your new weight. So you can actually get stronger in the gym, gain muscle and get worse at that specific point. Yeah, it's just not it's just not us.

I mean, the call started with thanking us for the 10 pounds of muscle that he put on more muscle in this this last year than he did in the previous decade. So that is not advantageous for that sport. I mean, if all the sports putting on 10 pounds of muscle many times will do you well, but rock and he's not a little guy. You look at him. You can tell he's got some muscle. Yeah, he's definitely built. and so trying to and I just think he was actually probably doing a little too much in in combination with the little stability issue going on. And I think just scaling back and then doing more more you know, I don't work by itself. I think it's going to be the answer. Our next caller is Javier from Peru. Javier, how can we help you? Hi guys, how are you? First of all, thank you very much for having me here. It's a honor. I've been listening to you for about two years more or less.

And well, I'll jump into a question. OK. Thank you. I'm 40 years old, around 145 pounds, which is around 65 kilograms. I'm around 10% boy fat. It's about 2,500, 2,800, but I like, I try to help it. It's like a big deal to get there. I've been training all my life since I was 14,

like gym, sports, surfing, two G2S started around five or six years ago. I bought the RPD about two years ago. I've been doing it all, like the anabolic performance aesthetic this just two years. But I'm kind of this plateau right now. And but I love two G2S, I love surfing.

So I'm not sure where to go from here. Yeah good question. How many days a week do you do Jiu Jitsu and surfing? I tried to do to do to do to do to do like once or twice. It depends on how I'm feeling surfing. I try to do twice a week. Okay bro you look badass. Yeah you look great. So that's a really good, very active and surfing. You probably do that for at least two or three hours, right? No, no, no, no. I have a little baby of two years. I have to work.

So I try to go an hour and a half at most. OK. OK. OK. And you want to gain size. Yes, not too big because it's not good for judges to order surfing. But a couple of kilos, you know, like not too big because it's not good for for judges who are or surfing but like a couple of kilos You know like maybe get to 68 or 69 kilograms. Oh, that's it. Okay. Well, yeah, I think if unless you don't feel do you feel over trained

Do you feel burnt out your joints hurting you or do you feel good? I feel good. This is easy. Love you are you just gonna eat more Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, yeah, you just got to eat more. Yeah. That's easy. Yeah, if you go ahead. Yeah, the thing is I strike. I try to go like over the 2,800 and it's so difficult, like 13, you know? Well, you know, it's funny. We just recorded an episode yesterday and the title is going to be edgy. It's like why you should dirty bulk. And there's it.

And in there, we talk about, basically, you as an example, like, as somebody who eats really clean, been training, really good body fat percentage, but just really struggles to hit that, that calorie intake every day through whole foods. It's just hard. It's hard. And I know what it's like to be at that point. And so you're the kind of the exception to the rule where a client of mine that I might say, okay, I want you to get all your macros like you do through whole foods. And then I want to let you enjoy a treat to bump the calories an extra of 500 to 1000 calories. I would aim for 3200 calories a day

I would I would aim for 3200 calories a day every single day and if you need to add shakes to do that That's okay. If you need to eat, you know something that's maybe not as healthy to do that. That's okay as well But that's that's that's that's the answer right there 3200 calories consistently and you'll gain the two three kilos I'm looking for the RDo you do you use protein shakes much at all. Yeah, I do. I actually like I take like one a day after the work out and the creating that's the two things I use. Do you do it just like a plane because I have a like a what I

what I would call my my gaining type of shake that I've actually talked about on the show before where I use I use whole milk. If you can have dairy like that. Are you okay with dairy? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty firm. Okay, so whole milk, two tablespoons of Nutella, two tablespoons of peanut butter, a banana,

and then you could even, sometimes I'll even add a half a cup of oats and blend it in with everything. With the protein. With the way protein. And that's like a good 900 calorie plus shake that tastes good going down, get your protein up, so something like that. Yeah, and the best time to take it would be,

if you look throughout the whole day, you're like, oh man, I only got to 2800 calories or 2600 calories, make the shake and take that at the end of the day. And that'll, but that's, it's okay, if you look inside, take like cooked protein shake the day, take that at the end of the day. But that's okay. If he's okay, he's like, take like, cook protein shake today,

like one in the morning and one in the night. Totally, yeah, exactly. And think of your night one, like a nice dessert. Like that's your treat, if you're low calories, and then add the peanut butter and the, I mean, that tastes amazing. That's literally that easy. Now, the other option is you look at your whole foods

that you eat, and you go for higher calorie options. So if you normally eat lean protein, maybe something that's more fatty, if you don't use much olive oil, maybe use more olive oil. So you can bump the calories like that as well, but if it's hard to eat all that food, then a shake is just a really easy answer.

And what Adam said, I mean, that'll do it. You have that every single day. And eat what you normally eat, and that'll bring your calories high enough to gain the muscle that you're looking for. To really guarantee that this goes to build some muscle too, I would like to give you a different program. You've ran the RPG for the lot,

which is totally fine. You can be stainless. Yeah, let's do it. If we do a new program that's got unique exercises that you haven't been doing. Well, put them in symmetry because of Jiu-Jitsu and surfing. Okay. Well, you would love map symmetry. So we'll give you map symmetry, run that in conjunction

with the additional 500 plus calories we're talking about in your day, and you should pack on a few pounds of muscle. You're in Peru, right? Yeah, I'm in Lima. Yeah. Yeah, you eat Lomo, Lomo Soltado. Yes, of course. Every there you go. That's a very good high calorie meal right there. My wife have her families from Peru. So I got introduced to I'm like, oh my god, this is delicious. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, like the food here is incredible. You know, so I like the homemade food is incredible. So I can eat the thing is that to get to eat healthy, it's difficult. I tend to struggle. Yeah, you can throw some of those foods on that aren't necessarily as healthy or do the shake, but that's it. That's literally all you gotta do.

I mean, that's so obvious. That's kind of like what we talk about this in the episode coming up, but the way I look at it is like I'm gonna try and do it through whole foods and better choices like the shake, but because it's like, I'm gonna try and do it through whole foods and better choices like the shake. But because it's so hard for you at the calories, you're an example of where at the end of the night, if it's like, oh, I'm not gonna hit my calories

or if I don't eat something, you, I would justify eating a thing of french fries or enjoying something because we're trying to put the calories on, because we have a hard time hitting that, you or somebody who I would allow to do that as a client say like, hey listen, just make sure you hit your protein target. So with that, yeah, so because yeah, if your protein's low, they're not a good idea. That I think like really thorough, you know, like I hate my protein in the morning, I ask really thorough. The other thing is what I'm trying to get to the calorie thing. That's the problem.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, you're good then. Yeah, yeah, that's it's actually that it's literally that easy How you hit those calories you'll gain the muscle no problem And I can feel like do the digital ones a week or twice. Yeah, surfing twice away. Oh, yeah, you got a good balance right now, bro Yeah, you're good. Yeah, yeah Perfect that thank you very much. All right. We'll send that program over to you. Have you got a man? Thank you. Thank you. Have a All right, we'll send that program over to you, Javier. You got it, man. Thank you. Have a nice one. You too.

Bye bye. You guys have had that dish before, right? Yeah, that's a potato and meat. It's like gravy. Bro, it's like rice. So good. Meat. So good.

We put like a couple fried eggs on it. It's like this brown. It's like soy sauce type. Oh, it's like comfort food, bro. When Jessica was pregnant with the Relius, it was also the pandemic, so we're ordering food all the time. So I just gave him that. I ate that like every day I was there.

I ate that. It was so good. Oh, so good. Yeah, great. But he's, I mean, this is easy, bro. If he feels good, he's not over-trained. You know what, though? It's great. So, Hilarious that we got him as a caller

when we just recorded that episode yesterday. And he's a perfect example. He's 10% body fat. He's active as shit. He eats all his calories through whole foods, but just struggles. Struggles to hit that high. He probably has a hard time just getting

to his maintenance every day. And so. No, I want to mention this too, because someone's like, we'll win about your health. We'll win about, look, here's a deal. A, I don't think it'll affect this health negatively. However, you know, when you're chasing a performance goal, there's sometimes you do sacrifice longevity

for performance, maximum strength, maximum endurance, maximum performance is not in line with maximum longevity. There is a tradeoff. Listen, part of our job is to help these people, I mean, we just had a call right before that, that wants to be the buff rock climber guy. Like, we're gonna give you the best advice for what your ass is. If it was me, I would tell him, don't do anything.

You look awesome. He's doing jiu-jitsu, he's swimming, he's shredded, he's a dad. I mean, you've already won, bro. You got to full head of hair. You're just right. But I mean, if you ask me, like, hey, I want it, this is what I want, this is everything I do. Well, okay, here's an example of where I would do that.

But I mean, I would tell a client that, but the reality is he don't need to do shit. He's perfect where he's at right now, but that's not, I mean, just like the rock climber. I mean, there's no, I'm telling him, like, you don't need to climb rocks. Why do you want to do that? Well, it's because he wants to fuck me.

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