Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2214: What to Do if You Are Young & Have Low Testosterone, the Dangers of Eating Too Much Protein, How to Continue to Progress After Years of Consistent Training & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: FIX your gut health and chronic inflammation may be solved. (1:49) Spilling ALL the tea on Gary Brecka. (10:36) A pill that affects your decision-making. (21:28) The tallest slide in the world! (27:00) When training with David Goggins does NOT make sense. (30:43) Houses today are NOT the same size they used to be. (33:49) The best South Park episode ever! (43:11) A technique to dramatically improve your creative thinking space. (44:19) People like gummies. (47:46) The origins of occlusion training. (49:53) Shout out to the Mind Pump Personal Trainer 3-Day Training. (52:57) #ListenerLive question #1 - In your opinion, does bulking on low testosterone make sense or since my body will find it harder to build muscle most of the excess calories will be stored as fat? (55:17) #ListenerLive question #2 - Is the number of calories I’m taking in to gain weight but still lose weight normal? (1:06:32) #ListenerLive question #3 - Regarding your programming, I have noticed a trend I can't make sense of while running through the MAPS programs. During the heavy weight/low rep phases, I seem to peak during week 2 of the phase (for example Phase 1 Week 2 of MAPS Anabolic). I will go into week 3 of the Phase expecting to be able to add weight but I can't even hit the previous week's weight. Is this to be expected? (1:15:45) #ListenerLive question #4 – Any advice on what program I should run next? Currently, my goals are to look the best I can on my 39th birthday and for our family’s spring break trip to the Dominican Republic. (1:33:44) Related Links/Products Mentioned BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL: ALL MAPS Fitness Products & Bundles 60% off!  **Promo code BLACKFRIDAY at checkout** (Code expires Sunday Nov. 26th) Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 30% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Sports are changing at the youth level Gary Brecka #2060 - Gary Brecka - The Joe Rogan Experience A pain reliever that alters perceptions of risk | ScienceDaily ARCELORMITTAL ORBIT Walmart is Selling Tiny Homes for $10,000 and You Can Be an Owner With a One Time Payment South Park: Joining the Panderverse (TV Movie 2023) - IMDb Upcoming South Park episode mocks Disney and Snow White actor Rachel Zegler in the most brutal of ways Edison and Dali's "creative nap" trick seems to actually work Blood flow restriction training - Wikipedia Occlusion Training Guide | MAPS Fitness Products   Occlusion Training Tutorial- How to Increase Muscle Size Using Blood Flow Restriction Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 Visit biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Mind Pump #2187: Why Building Muscle Is More Important Than Losing Fat With Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Mind Pump #1925: How To Build A Great Physique In 15 Minutes A Day Mind Pump #2080: Get Jacked With Bands! Mind Pump #952: Chad Wesley Smith Of Juggernaut Training Systems Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Gary Brecka (@garybrecka) Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan) Instagram  Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram Tony Ferguson (@tonyfergusonxt) Instagram David Goggins (@davidgoggins) Instagram Rich Roll (@richroll) Instagram Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (@drgabriellelyon) Instagram Chad Wesley Smith (@chadwesleysmith) Instagram  

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caused for a lot of different reasons, but if it's already inflamed endotoxins can pass through the gut wall, mounting an immune response. This immune response then raises inflammation throughout the entire body. This often looks like skin issues, joint pain all over the body, just stiffness, achiness. So rather than reaching for those NSAIDs like ibuprofen or a leave, instead look at your gut health. Fix your gut health and oftentimes chronic inflammation is solved. Do you have to poop in between every podcast recording? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Justin, you know about this? Yeah.

Could that be a sign? I'll say that it's home a little bit. My body is in swago. Somebody forgot to take their seed this week or all. No, no, no, no. I'm just extra regular right now, my soul. It's very much better than you got. Welcome back, cheese.

No, I thought, well, actually, he ate a bunch of pizza, bro. I did. Like real pizza. You would like, no, it's nothing to pizza yesterday because why didn't you eat anything all day? And then it was like, it was the last game for Flag football and I'm like, okay, they're gonna have a party. And I would just like, at that limit

where I was like, I'm really hungry and it's right in front of me and was like, bbf, forget it. Oh, you did. It's going down. Jackie sent me this thing. You bring a flag football. By the way, how's your boy doing that flag football? How's that? Yeah, it was good. They just finished. So she sent me the circle back to inflammation. Oh, sorry. Sorry. You want me to finish? Yeah, because he just said, flag football. And I totally forgot that I

screenshot of this because it was core participation in select sports ages six through 12. So a number of kids. Right. So this was, this was done just that I screen shot at this because it though core participation in select sports ages six through 12. So number of kids, right? So this was done just, you know, and everything you could think of basketball, baseball, cheerleading, flag football, tackle football, golf, gymnastics, ice hockey lacrosse, soccer, softball, swimming, tennis, track, volleyball, wrestling. Okay. What do you think is the highest in the anticipation? What do you think somewhere the lowest are? Oh, I would believe, I would imagine

the traditional sports have the highest participation, like baseball, football, soccer. Soccer, even, yeah. So, uh, baseball, so remember age is six to 12, too. Okay. Okay. So, what surprised me actually was, tackle football was one of the lowest. Oh, tackle, sure.

At that time, yeah, yeah. Flag is, at flag is a lot more popular than I thought a million kids participating Well, okay, the highest was 3.9 and basketball is the highest sure Okay, and then second is baseball at 3.2 million participating Soccer is 2.2, but there's a lot of things they are down in that range tennis 2.1 I would never guess that yeah Yeah, too and golf 1.7. I mean those were those were relatively high Slalom Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't guess that

Polo I guess track and field is someone you get into when you get older because track and field was only at 286,000 That's not very high wrestling was really low to 144 Well wrestling's low for kids. It should be higher gymnastics was 863 so a little under a million So the but yeah, no some of these surprises golf. Yeah, golf interesting golf surprise me That one was and tennis I would I wouldn't have thought those are expensive ass sports. I'll put a little bit. Yeah. I thought that too. I thought that was interesting. She sent that over to me and then you just brought a flight football made me think about like and what I was curious

about was, you know, obviously six to 12. So it's going to be a little skewed, but that the fact that flag football is a million and tackle football seven 24. So do you know if, obviously they've been making a big push with fly football, if it's starting to overtake, I mean, it has from six to 12, it's overtaken kids. It's definitely an option like that wasn't there when we were coming up. So I think it's gotten a lot more popular. And two, it's a way to introduce kids to football earlier so they can have for like coaches, it's good

because we kind of get them used to passing trees and like a little bit of semblance of like what to do for defense and whatnot, but I think it's a great kind of introduction that's like, it's just fun. It's not like super competitive. All right, here's a quick question before we get back to inflammation. When you're playing flag football, is there a line?

Do you have lineman? No. Okay, so it's all, it's basically who could, it's just passable. It's just passing on five, yeah. It's just passing the ball around the ball. They still have three guys though. Do you have three guys still that kind of act as lineman? No.

No, they have friends of white people. You have a guy like a center that likes him back. You know, you can still still you can still have run routes So that's what I thought cuz I played flat like football a little bit when I was a kid and I remember there Would no line man, but you could blitz you can play that one cone that's there that like is a usually you Designate a kid to do be the all-time blitzer and then they have to run outside these two cones So that way too they can't just run right up. And so there's like little rules like that that try to account for ways that you can kind of cheat

on the screen. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen it like that. Wow. I think I've seen it before where there's like a alignment and then, or there's a center who snaps a ball and then two linemen that like, yeah, that, but we do a lot of misdirection plays on the key for the universal versus.

But how would you stop if you can't like physically can't oh you can still like you don't tackle them But you can still block them you can't if you're an offensive alignment You can't tackle a defensive guy. Yeah, you get real physical and the guy can run over if you wants to yeah If you can't like football you can't do that. I mean there's still there's contact. It's not no I mean they it happens, but they'll get called for it. Yeah, oh wow You can't jump and spin so yeah, they regulate that you can't jump and spin yeah, you have to just like oh Yeah, exactly cuz you can flag guard easy and like shift you know That was a rule flag guarding so was you could spin back when we played, but one time you couldn't multiple spends.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, that was a rule. I remember that was a rule. That was some kid got real good at it. And he just, yeah, like if you do multiple spends, they're like, no, but you could get away with one spin. But if you just kept spinning like that, they'd be like, no, I can't do that.

Interesting. It's fun, dude. This is chill. All right, bring it back. Yeah, back to inflammation. Okay, so chronic inflammation, I wanted to find this, right? Cause you could have like an inflamed knee, right?

An injury there or something like that. But chronic is, you just kind of notice it throughout the body, stiffness, achiness, all over, skin issues are typically closely related to gut issues. Because the gut, if the gut causes inflammation, it's throughout the whole body, and it tends to show up on the skin. So you see rashes, dryness, it can cause aggravation of autoimmune issues like psoriasis and stuff like that. And really to fix these things, you have to seal the gut back up.

You have to reduce the inflammation in the gut, balance out the bacteria in your gut, so get more of the positive bacteria, which then keep the bad bacteria in check and allow the gut lining to heal and the mucosa lining to heal, so that that barrier's still there, because what happens with the cells of the gut is as they become inflamed, you get kind of these gaps in between them,

and that's when shit passes through. So when the pizza comes in, that's just shit passes through. So when the pizza comes in, that's just wrecks, like a wrecking ball. I mean, I was kidding about you not taking your seat, but is that something you do? Like if you know you're gonna do that, or did you just fuck it off?

Oh yeah, no, I mean, I took some of Dr. Cabral. I was taking like some of the pills and things that I've been doing to reduce the overgrowth. So I still like preemptively did that, but it like, I mean, it went off the rails. It was my fault. Yes, so regular use of a good probiotic is good because what it does is it keeps the overgrowth

of bacteria from happening. And the kind of bacteria like that seed has because the capsule, it puts it where it's supposed to go, and that helps things move through. So SIBO and overgrowth happen when things that move through is like they're supposed to. So you get this build up and back up in the small intestines of this.

And then what happens is you'll alternate, so people watching, this is what it feels like, you'll alternate between constipation and diarrhea. So it'll feel like it can't go, and then you get this build up of bacteria in the small intestine, and thenipation and diarrhea. So it'll feel like it can't go, and then you get this buildup of bacteria and the small intestine, and then it's like diarrhea. So a lot of times people are like, oh, I don't have a constipation issue.

I got the runs, and it's like, no, it's both. It goes back and forth. Oh, interesting. So I'm staying in the topic of like functional medicine type stuff. I've got to bring up this Gary Brecoguy. So someone, I'm going to leave my friends' Brecha guy. So someone I'm gonna leave my friends names out of this. So I don't I've already I've seen I think I've seen

people posting. Oh you guys have definitely seen this guy. So he's he is part of Grant Cardone's 10x guy. I don't know their story on how they first met. He's he got really famous from Grant Cardone and Dana White. Dana White shared his before and after, after he went through this guy's protocol. And so I think he's like a biologist slash functional medicine type guy. I think I was of a human biologist, right? Yeah, that's just, that's his title. Is that, I looked up as mean.

He's got a couple degrees and some things. He does. Okay. Where, I don't know. But human biologist and biohacker. He's been blowing up. Yeah, that's his bio, right? So he's been blowing up like crazy. I haven't paid that much attention to him,

even though I've had quite a few people, oh, what do you think about this? And I've listened to a couple of the clips and I'm like, oh, that's a little, no, that's not how that works. Yeah. That's a stretch or that's not. Let me if I'm wrong, but, that's a little, no, that's not how that works. Like, that's a stretch or that's not. Let me if I'm wrong, but like a lot of what he was talking about was like addressing deficiencies

within being able to test for these deficiencies and then supplement those specifically. And that was like, apparently, this big game changer. Yeah, so there's not, okay, so I don't, like, there's a lot of things I agree with that I've heard him say. So it's not like, he said, yeah, like he said some things that are like, and we've talked about like the importance of, you know, supplementing for the things

that you're deficient in, right? Like that's, that's a better investment than going on getting a performance supplement. If you're low on vitamin D or magnesium. You're pretty low on the tonal pull though, in terms of... Yeah, yeah, especially as far far as the radical differences in me. And I think that's what made him go viral with Dana White's crazy physique transformation. So anyways, I've been asked about this guy many times.

Well, one of our really close friends who also has podcasts to send me over like, hey, what do you know about this guy? And I'm like, oh, that name rings a bell. And then I, of course, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know who he is. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Something just seems off to me, but I don't know, personally, so I can't, I don't mean say he goes, yeah, now something seems really sketched. I'm like, well, I do know some people that have interviewed him already and I have some friends that have met him and stuff.

So let me let me reach out. So I reach out to another friend who's already actually interviewed. He's been to her house and stuff like that. And I asked her, I'm like, hey, what's this guy's story? She's like, ah, you know, I meet him. And, you know, he's just, he seems off, you know, he seems like he's a little bit of like snake oil salesman type guy. And, you know, when he's not my oh hacking space, it smells like that. Right, right.

And so he's like, again, this is all people now speculating and like, oh, whatever. So then I talk to another one of my friends. And then in comes this text message message and it's a picture of his What do you call that? Muck shop. Yeah, Muck shop. I sent this one. And it I

Oh shit and the thing that jumped out at me right away was Hey, come on. He's in his mid to late 30 or 50s. I think so it's like, you know some of us I don't I had to like like the best past ever, right? So it's like, somebody could probably find some dirt on me when I was younger, did some stupid shit or whatever. But this is like 2017, and I think it was, Grand theft, Grand, Grand, and I didn't say auto, just as Grand theft.

What's Grand theft? Yeah, I don't, I don't, I think it's a dollar amount. I think that's what, what, what, Oh, so a certain amount. Yeah, and's what it would. So you, oh, so a certain amount. Yeah, it says $500 to $5,000 at 2017. So this isn't that long ago. So you're like your late 40s.

You're in your late 40s and you're going to prison for stealing something? Yeah, that's a little character. Right, I'm just like, that's back. That to me is like, I'd love to know the story behind that. I would love to know the story. Now, he's been on Joe Rogan. Now, I haven't listened to the, I'm gonna like, that's back. That to me is like, I'd love to know the story, man. I would love to know the story. Dude, now he's been on Joe Rogan. Now I haven't listened to the,

I'm gonna listen to the whole episode. Now this is all news to me, right? So this is all new stuff that just came out with me, or came out to me a day or two ago. And so I've done a little bit of my own digging, but I haven't gone through and listened to this guy get interviewed. I would want or think that Joe Rogan

dug enough to figure this out. That's not like him to not do enough research to find that out and then ask that. But I couldn't find anything on short clips or anything. I just looked up as education. He's got a bachelor's degree in biology, and then he has a bachelor's degree in human biology from the National College of Chiropractic. I'm going to say something real quick,

this is not applied to everybody, but definitely not. I have lots of really, really smart, good friends of our chiropractors, okay? But it is interesting to me how often times, people from this space are come from the chiropractic world. Have you guys noticed that?

Well, I think it's because you call yourself a doctor. That's why. So it says doctor and then both. Yeah, and I mean, that just goes to our point that we've always brought up like what a challenge it is to when a client sees a doctor and then it's like, oh, great, now I have to overcome this. So my doctor told me not to do this.

And it's like, oh, fuck, just because they have that acronym. So you want to know what's interesting is that, did you know that I got that lane message me the other day? Cause lane and him, David Breka, wanted to debate each other. We didn't wanna be on our show. Oh, I didn't go that. Nothing's happened, nothing's been set up.

But he texted me and he's like, David Breka agreed to debate me on your podcast. What do you think? So I sent it to. Hell, yes. To set that up. I don't know what they're going to be. Okay, so funny because of course that was like one of the first people I had to send to Gregorug is it's like lanes.

That's his. That's his thing. Right. Yeah. His thing is to go after and go. That's not my thing to do that. So it's just like I was like, Hey, have you talked about this guy before? I first asked him his name. He's like, Oh, yeah, a couple clips. I've just I've talked called him out on his bullshit or what that is. I said, I said, I was like, oh, it's like throwing him

a juicy ass thing. I want him to be in the bait. I okay, so I wish that I had something better to share the audience of like the exact, because it's been I've been tagged several times on him. And he said some things that it's, it just doesn't science. You know, it's not, it's like, he makes leaps. This because therefore that and I'll share one more thing too

that is, again, that was shared with me in confidentiality that is so I won't share the, where the resource came from. We'll tell them we'll sit on the podcast. Yeah, well, no, that's, I won't share where it's coming from. I'll just say that it was shared with me. So like these results that he's gotten some of these people that are just like amazing, like one of the things that was asked by our friend that was just like,

so this is just given them vitamin D in this and that, and it's like, well, you know, a little bit of growth hormone and testosterone. It's like, so she told me that. I was like, oh yeah. So this is what's probably really good. Yeah, and so which also explains a lot why these people get so bought in.

It's like he puts them on this like peptide and hormone and growth hormone type of stack and then also gets their vitamin. I mean, imagine, imagine someone comes in, you do a bloodworm. You fill in nutrient deficiency. Yeah, imagine. Yeah, imagine someone comes in and they're deficient

and magnesium, vitamin D, and what's another big one? Yeah, zinc, right? And then in addition to that, which is life changing already. Right, and in addition to that, they're middle aged men, they know white-ish, the age, whatever, they should have stressed, like so probably low testosterone

level, so that throw them on a little bit testosterone, a little bit of growth hormone, fix all their vitamin, just say, I bet their ass is spilling. Yeah. It was life changing. I mean, this is nothing really magical about that. Wow. That's a pretty dramatic shift for him.

You see his transformation. Oh, he's got to be on it. Did Data White say he's on TRT? Well, that's kind of assumed. I didn't know. I mean, he's pretty jacked. Didn't he, there was no video in bench pressing three plates or something like that?

Oh, I don't know. I mean, he looked great. He definitely looked great. And I don't think that Dana has denied anything. Like, no, he's not the type to do. I don't think. I mean, he looked great. He definitely looked great. And I don't think that Dana has denied anything like. No, he's not the type to be here. Yeah. And I don't I don't blame people like that. Like again, my point is you take someone like him who obviously a Dan White doesn't claim to be a big science guru guy and you get somebody who can You know, virtually talk circles around you in that in that field and then they point you in the direction of a few things,

you take it and fall through and if you feel amazing, it's like I'm bought, I'm bought it. You know what I'm saying? Like I believe you, like so. But I mean, supposedly he's gotten connected to a bunch of really big name people. And it's been- Yeah, I see him making the rounds, yeah.

A lot of people are, I mean, I've seen a few videos where he's doing big, huge, like Ted Talk kind of stages and see, you're getting a lot of notoriety. Well, you said, you're a huge set of supermen kind of, yeah, you said that, which was funny because I've actually had two other people now

make that exact same reference. Like, oh yeah, they're blowing them up like supermen all of a sudden. Yeah, I don't know much about the guy. I was just like, I noticed that like, he's getting a lot of attention. That whole bio, but quote unquote, biohacking space.

I hate to say it is, and it's not that different from I guess the other spaces in the fitness and health space, but it's really full of a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of snake oil crap and a lot of just that whole space just to get filled. I mean, wouldn't you say though that it's like the whole pseudoscience thing has always been around, right?

It's just, I think because of the internet and social media, it just moves and it's more prevalent because of that. Well, biohacking exploded. It wasn't a thing. And then all of a sudden it became everything, you know, and now it's kind of a parent. Thanks Dave Asprey. Yeah. Yeah. I had something about Gary here that I thought you were going to bring up as to why he's blowing up a lot, especially on TikTok. What is it? There's this thing, this routine, he's kind of coined, I don't know if he's coined a basis, it's called 30, 30, 30. You wake up and it's the first 30 minutes waking up,

you get 30 grams of protein, followed by 30 minutes of water. Hey bro, isn't that like the scam 101? Like come up with like, just like a gimmick that works. Like there's nothing, like hey, that is good idea. Introducing the 555. What is he doing? Why didn't you come up with something like that? Just like a gimmick that works like there's nothing like hey, that is good idea introducing the 5 5 5 Why didn't you come up with something like that? I could be rich by now. I got too much integrity

Well, you know introducing our next program 69 420 There's some there's something that I mean you could still have integrity what he's what he's offering up or what I mean the average person wakes up Has 30 grams of protein and goes for 30-minute walk. They're gonna. I've approved and then does 30 minutes to say Brilliant absolutely brilliant because what do we talk about the average American barely even hits 3500 steps You do 60 minutes of moving in the morning first year when you wake up. You're organized a pass up So right away you get your blood sugar rain protein most're in protein for sure. Most, what do we always say? Almost everybody, everybody we know

that we've ever trained is under-consuming protein. And what did we always say is one of the hardest meals to get it in? Breakfast. So if you make them get 30 grams. Is this the only protein powder? I bet you. I'm blood type A and C.

Oh, okay. Not yet. That's coming next. Yeah, he's. Before we sell supplements Adam The 10x way you guys might hear some weird shit that I just learned Yeah, yeah, okay, so you guys know what to see the benefit is I don't know active in green. Do you guys know how it works? How it works? Yeah

Yeah, no worry nobody else does either Yes Nobody else does either. No, I'm serious. Really? Yes. I like scratchy parade. I thought it like blocks some blood. No, no, no, no, no. It's not like, it doesn't block something. Doug, Google, how does this see the benefit work? They really don't know. Oh, it sounds like a complete idiot.

So you have NSAIDs, right? Non-staroidal anti-inflammatories. And with those like ibuprofen, naproxym aspirin. And what those do is they interrupt or work with the inflammatory system and how you produce things that produce inflammation. Okay, they actually block some of those things.

So we know how those work. We don't know how acetaminophen works. We really don't know. And I've known this for a while because when you have a lot of pain, they allow you to combine and acetaminophen with NSAIDs. So what does that say? You have a lot of pain, they allow you to combine and see the benefit with the insets. So what does that say? You alternate a lot of things.

It doesn't say how it works. No, it does not. Yeah. So it's believed to do certain things. But how, how does it work? They don't know, I guess. How about if you put, it might block the enzyme production in the brain.

Yeah, I knew it's blocked something. Oh, I swear to God, it's everywhere. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it blocked something and it encouraged those things. Just leave it at that. It says it might block the enzyme production in the brain, thus blocking further transmission of the pain, nerve impulses.

So they just, they kind of don't know. They really don't know how it works. Well, here's what's interesting. I just read this. They just know at what point it becomes toxic. Yeah, it will. It could be bad for the liver, right? It could be really bad for the. Here's what's interesting. I just read this. They just know at what point it becomes toxic. Yeah. Well, it could be bad for the liver, right? You're really bad for it. Here's what's interesting about it. This is crazy. Research from Ohio State finds that a

Cedar Manifin affects our risk tolerance. So people find scary things less scary when they take a Cedar Manifin. So like you're going to go skydiving or whatever. We need to test the theory. They did lots of tests on it. They've done lots of tests. Yes. And also they would get Adam to watch some scary movies. My son. I'm not a man. That's all fucking tower aspirin.

You have to do some. That's brilliant. That's actually brilliant. What's the so they they they gave it to people and then they Bull of fucking tower aspirin. That's brilliant. That's actually brilliant. That's it. So they gave it to people and then they would rank, they would rank like their fear of doing certain things and they showed that it reduced it. They also showed that there's three studies in which individuals participated in an online risk game and it also confirmed that people feel less

that things that are normally risky aren't so risky anymore. So it affects your decision making, which is interesting. This can be manipulated if you think about it, right? It also makes good feelings less good and bad feelings less bad. So it blunts your, the range of feeling. Antidepressant, can I? Huh? We can get antidepressant.

Yeah. How weird is that? Isn't that interesting? It is. So what's interesting to me is we've been taking it for so long. We don't know how it works. Whoa. That's crazy.

That's mind boggling. Yes, that's so crazy to me. Is that recent? Is that a recent? So there's some studies that have already shown this, but this new one is like confirming it. Wow. Like that it makes scary things less scary.

So now think about this. So I would like to experiment with this. Like if there's a situation that, because you know, a scene of manifesting is pretty safe if you take it occasionally. You don't want to take it like all the time because it could be harmful to the liver. Definitely don't drink alcohol with it. But supplementing with glutathione is probably a good idea. Yeah. But when you take a seat, a man of, a seat of a man of fan, but think about it, like you're gonna go into like a job interview or you're gonna go do some kind of story.

Yeah, I have heard this from classical, classically trained musicians will debate a blockers before they perform. That's their form, yes, yes, yes. But it's like, you know, just to keep them calm and so their heart rate doesn't get all crazy. But now add that on top of like something scary that, you know, you have anxiety over, I wonder.

Yeah. Did you know what sport, you guys wanna guess what sport abuses beta blockers the most? Cycling? No. No, no, no. Now, remember beta blockers, is it traditional sport or Is it something obscure?

I know. I wouldn't consider it obscure. If I say it, you guys don't know what sport it is. Because remember, it's a caps your heart rate, right? So it's like, you don't want to do like, when you exert something like archery. Yes, yeah, okay. Yes, by the way, I'd consider that obscure, by the way.

Archery? Yeah, I would think traditional. I think it's older than Yeah, I would think traditional. That's older than baseball if I'm not mistaken. It's not like how old it is obscure. I mean by like that list I just ran off of all the sports. That's not even on that, you know what I'm saying? But like shooting sports.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, we're trying to be do, you know. Did they used to do stuff for the back of the day for shooting like didn't they do that like the war time and some of that didn't they give soldiers like stuff to do that Beta blockers. They didn't I don't think they had beta bloggers back now. Oh, I thought I thought there was a drug or something That I mean that wouldn't help that without that. No, no You know who use methamphetamines like crazy

Yeah, you're watching that video of him or he's like Psychedelics too was he use psychedelics too? Was he a psychedelic guy too? No, his doctor would give him methamphetamine injections all the time. There's actually a video of him at the Olympics, the one that was hosted in Berlin, and he's trippin' dude. Yeah. You look at him and you can see.

He's high most of the time, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Hey, speaking of the Olympics, you know that, so was with 2012 when London had the Olympics, I think something like that. We just got back from there. I didn't know this existed. Do you know that the tallest slide in the world is there? It was.

Slide like, yes. Bro, I wish we didn't know that. I would have totally wanted to go that. Hell yeah, I love slide. Like pull it up, Doug. Look up the tallest slide in the world and light it. It's awesome. It's like, come on.

And they built it for the Olympics. Wait, what was it for? Like, I mean, it's this big old, you'll see it's like this big tower. And you can actually go down in the building, like inside or something. So it's just, it's just like, you'll see it's like a red spiral, little like structure. And I don't know if it's like a viewing thing up top that they built for the Olympics so people could view the city and stuff like that.

But the top of it is a slide that you go all the way down and it takes like a minute to go down the entire thing. And the two doesn't like slides. Yes. And you reach like a really good top speed. It looks like a blast, dude. Why don't you want to see what this is? I want you to pull it up there.

I'm angry now. What the hell? Right? The thing's giant. Isn't that cool? Imagine sliding for a full minute. Yeah. Yeah, time to think about things. And it's like a good drop for a full minute

It's not like a it had I for you Turns you remember remember when you were kid and you wear shorts you go down a slide and just catch your skin I told you I'm gonna slice my toe off, right what yeah when I was a kid and I went down one of those metal slides It had like you know a little bit of it was rough and exposed Yeah, and I went down without my shoes, you know, barefoot, and then it caught. So we're 90s kids, right? Yeah, right under my big toe,

and then my toe like flopped. Oh, ooh. Yeah, I had to get it stitched up, mercy. Oh my God. Oh, kids, I went with crazy things. So I went with one of my funny little kids. Yeah, playgrounds were pretty dangerous when we were kids. Yeah, yeah.

Or you got burned, you know, from the, just, yeah, your skin touching. You know, my kids broke the arms on the monkey bars. You, when you go to play, I take my kids of playgrounds, right, all the time. The ground, I don't know what they make the ground out of, but I could jump head first to it and I be okay. Pushy stuff for whatever.

And the monkey bars were so high, I fell off one and broke my arm. That was another thing. You're one of those kids. We had, do you guys remember what we had to break our falls? Tam-Bark. Yeah. Tam-Bark. But it was all sparse because kids would throw it.

Last fault. Yeah, it was last time. I felt on deathful. Yeah. Seriously. I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have like I have memories of seeing shit like that. I was like, it's real. I was just hearing the one that what do they call that where it's like you spin like this.

Right. It's some cute cut underneath. Oh geez. Try and try and fling it as hard as you can. Try and throw the kids off. Oh, you know, they still have those. I mean, they did when Brianna was a little girl, one of those steel. They got a merry go round.

Yeah, most of all. Yeah, she got hurt on it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she got a massive bump on her head. I don't think I've seen one in a long time. They've got to ride a most all of them, I think. Have you guys seen in other countries, they have like, parks that have like fitness equipment on them?

Yeah, and they're all, but their body weight operating? Yeah, yeah. They're like, they're cool. Where I used to live, they've used, actually're cool. Where I used to live. Yeah, they've actually really cool. Where I used to have it. Yeah, right? That part actually where we're Tina lives, that coyote creek area over there.

There's a walking park over and there's a station. And it's like strength has like 12 stations. And it's like full body. You could do a leg one, chest one, back one, and it's all, they're really cool. Yeah, it's cool. They're engineered really neat too. That's cool.

Yeah, we treated it every once in a while. We go for a walk and then we do a little station, then we'd walk around a lap and do a station and walk around. Uh-huh, no, I think we're the only people that ever used it, but yeah. I see an unfortunate part. I think that's a really cool thing that whoever decided to start putting those in, but it's unfortunate that I don't see anybody doing it. Speaking of workouts, did you guys watch

Tony Ferguson get trained by his new trainer? Put that in my notes. Why did? So I don't know what the workouts look like. All I know was posted. Okay. And Tony Ferguson, top fighter, and Goggins is, I mean, I know coaches who train athletes,

this is just the cringe when they look at it. It was walking lunges down the field, like to puke basically. It was run as hard you can and keep going. It didn't seem like there was any rhyme or reason. There was an interesting part about that too is like, because people were defending it. Oh, it's for mental tough. Okay. So that was the point I'm going to make, right? So this is why it doesn't make sense for Tony Ferguson.

Yeah. Because I get it. If you, if like, you know that that's your thing, right? Is you're known for tapping, you're known for giving up because you just don't have that mental fortitude or you've never trained the grit. So like, okay, that makes sense. Like you're the self-awareness, you know, that's the opposite of Tony Ferguson.

That's like what he's known for being able to take a punch. The guy's got some of the most brutal fights and he still keeps coming forward. So he's so fun to watch. So that of all people, I think that's, so that's, if that's the reason that doesn't make a lot of sense to do it with. That's not his. It didn't look like there was any programming or anything specific, but again, it was really short clip. It's just this cringe is I forget which nine or player it was. It was like training with

like honey or one of those like guys and then they just trained all yeah all bodybuilders thought and like had like the worst season He's ever had you know as a result that just happened just recently with a player It's just like what are you doing like there's a specific way to do this that's gonna optimize what you're doing in your sport Like why are you meddling with that now? He could be, he could be playing 3D chess though right now. Sure. Okay. Okay. Here we go. The sport has turned into the biggest personality. It's all about selling the fight and the event. That's what makes you more appealing.

And the more people talk it, what a better way to get people talking about it right now than to do something out different like that and sign up with David Goggins Super famous right been all over the place and people are like us and traditional coaches Doon it once that's occasionally maybe like 99% of his training That's why I said that and then he then he goes for a run and says he's higher day Goggins And then we all talk about it makes mainstream news everyone's talking about it And so in that case who cares? Yeah, that's what I that's what I could be 3d chess going on right here

Yeah, because he's brilliant for doing that because listen any moron could could Can train an athlete and just make him tired and beat him up like any idiot you don't need a trainer for that You just need someone yelling at you to keep going. That's going. That's what it looked like, but who knows? Who was it? I was reading either comments or somebody who was talking about that they live next to David Gomez. They're in a comment. We don't know if the guy was real though.

Oh, that's what I'm okay with, never mind, it's not like I can't say I very, very, very, very close. Not credible, it's not credible. Who knows? But it was interesting though. Some guys like, he's my neighbor and he's gonna die in like 20 years before me because he watches everything

He does super crazy and beat himself up, but that's not hard to believe. I mean, that's kind of no You know what I wanted to bring up was the thing that you sent over to me. I thought this was really interesting so I I shared this like a week or two ago and I'd talk a lot about like the difference of buying a home today versus buying a home 10 years 20 years ago. Yeah, this is, I love this. And, you know, everybody knows, like, oh my God, it's like so ridiculous. Like, is this possible on a home? It's impossible on a home. And something that they don't contribute to that is we have over decades now have pushed

the size of the home. They're not controlling for these things. Yeah, a lot of that stuff is not controlled for the average home size that we live in today. And you go back to your grandparents, and most of our grandparents would say, oh, yeah, we bought our home cash for $10,000 or $20,000. But it was also 900 square feet. And there was six of us that lived in a two bedroom, at tiny little houses. And when you control for what was the average,

you know, home with one income that someone bought back in, say like the six user 70s, compared to what it is now. It's like 11,000 or 1100 square feet to like 3000 square feet. Yeah, no, the average home size in 1950 was under 1000 square feet. By the way, they had more kids back then than they do now too. Today, the average home size is over 2500 square feet.

Yeah, we're gonna put your big screen TV. Yeah, that's the other thing. So here's a deal. When people make these comparisons, and yes, there's definitely inflation. There's definitely markets that have gotten crazy because they're distorted, okay, but across the board, if you lived literally the way your grandparents did, you'd be way richer than they were with your current salary. Okay, if you lived

the way they did, how did they live? They didn't have an electric dishwasher. They probably didn't have a washer and dryer, or if they did, it was just a washer, grandma dried things on the cord outside. They didn't have TVs at all, definitely didn't have internet, they didn't have cell phones, one car, they didn't have multiple cars, you know, a rare it was for a household to have two cars in the 1950s, they had one car and it was a car that, if you went out to dinner, it was a big treat in occasion,

they cooked most of their meals at home. You had meat once a week maybe, twice a week maybe. Like, if you compare apples to apples, your way better off, but what we do is we say, oh my God, I can't afford it by house. Meanwhile, you have like 10 streaming services, cell phone, all these devices, your house is way bigger. You want to live in a urban area with everything around you.

Is this going line with your mentioning something about Walmart and tiny homes? So I mean, I actually had that originally on my notes that I hadn't brought up, which I think, so this is interesting to me too. Okay, so we keep blowing out these prices and the price of a home and it's becoming like unreachable for this kind of this population right now

to buy the average home on these conditions. And so there's also been this counter movement of like the minimalist, right? So you've seen that get more popular in the last decade or so of these minimalist. And so you're seeing a lot of these, and we know in California what what was it last year, the year before it was two years ago,

and maybe now the California past that law here in the Bay Area where you can actually, you can put an additional unit in like these track home backyards now. And so it's, and of course this would happen, is that ADU thing has gotten really competitive. And so now you have these tiny homes that are becoming like

really affordable. The Walmart tiny house, maybe Doug can pull it. You can buy a Walmart Amazon, I think sells them. Yeah, they're like 10, 20 grand. Bro, less. It was like 5 grand for this Walmart tiny house. And it's got bedrooms. Yeah, it's got everything. It's got a bathroom, shower, it's a house. Wow. So full on house. And it's and it was like literally like five grand.

I think it's what's to stop somebody from buying a chunk of land and throwing five or six of them on their renting. So that's why I wanted to talk about this because, you know, I don't know if I believe we're gonna see the housing market come down. I think we are in a period of time where this is gonna become the new norm. I just think that housing prices, we saw skyrocket more than we'd ever seen at skyrocket.

The theory is what goes up must come down. Okay, sure. I think it might come down a little bit, then it's going to go right back up again. It's going to come down. If they continue to raise rates, it'll definitely crash the market a tiny bit. It's not going to like destroy the market. But I think it'll come down a little bit. And then I think what they'll do to boost the economy

again to artificially boost it, they'll reduce rates eventually, go back down again, and then cause another run up again, and then it'll just surpass where it currently is right now. So ultimately, I think most people are gonna be out of reach, I think we're destroying the middle class, and I think that this is gonna become more normal where families, friends, people go in on a piece of land

or on a property where you could fit one, two, or three of these things and then and live in them. I think that's not gonna be that, I think that's gonna be normal. Look at that. Wow. That one's nine grand. That one's nine grand.

That one's nine grand. But look at it. I mean, it's good. They're basically already. Look inside though. They found a way to convert these things. I know when you look at the picture. So when they deliver it

It's like what like four pieces and they just slap it together for you That's a good that's a good question. Doug. Maybe you can read it and see how it's done. How it's put together Yeah, it's usually like the masters like upstairs like up in the like a loft kind of thing Yeah, I think on Amazon literally you can go on Amazon right now and buy a tiny home But okay, so this but this totally highlights your point or the article you share with me Yeah, I think on Amazon, literally, you can go on Amazon right now and buy a tiny home. But, okay, so this, but this totally highlights your point or the article you share with me. Yeah. If you actually went back to this size of living, like, I don't know, my grandparents will love that.

How many square footage is that, Doug? Easy. Yeah, this looks more like a storage shed than actually tiny home. It is. It's a tiny home, though. Look what I see. Look, I just want to have Amazon. Now, these is it's a tiny home though. Look what I see look I just want to Amazon now these are more expensive than what I did we're looking at Yeah, I got to get a better information on Amazon this says Portable prefabricated tiny home and

It's 34 35,000 dollars. It's 19 by 20 feet with a restroom Yeah, and literally it's prefab, so they like, oh, they drop it off on your land and there it is. It's a little tiny. I don't think these are meant to be lived in. These Walmart ones. I think they're just like a storage shed. It's a home.

It says, they call them home. They look like a home. That's why they call them tiny. No, I don't know. So you build a tiny home for your lawnmower. Yeah, basically. I thought about getting one for like a. This has become a serious market.

I mean, this has become a serious competitive market right now. And there's passing laws that are allowing people to throw these in their backyards and do exactly what's how it's saying, which is renting them out. I know people that have put these, these little things in the back of their, one of their back of their houses, and I know people that actually Airbnb, both of them, like, so they'll have at the front, the main house being Airbnb, and then they have the little small little tiny house in the back of their Airbnb, and they're carrying them in both of them. You know what else I'm saying too? Is people are with Airbnb, they're buying land, nothing on it. And then they're making like these experiences houses

like a yurt and a tree house and a whatever. You've seen that, and they get charged a shit time. UFO one that's in the desert, I think it's a Joshua tree. No, it is a you, if they built like a UFO and basically you like enter like up these stairs, it goes up in there and it's like just big enough for like two people to sleep in it. What? But yeah, it's a trip. for two people to sleep in it. What?

But yeah, it's a trip. I mean, yeah, the experienced thing is a whole other market, sub-market that's like exploding. Wow. Look at that one, Salomon's like just literally on the wheels. Yeah, they drop it off. They just drop it off in front of your house. Yeah, I guess we're on the same one. Yeah, this is actually, I think, the tiny home you're talking about is $10,000.

Wow. Oh, wow. That just, oh, that's not bad. Yeah. I don't know. Well, when you think too, like if you actually had, let's say, an anchor,

and you connected five of those things, you got 50-touch, and like you could have literally, listen, if you were like an angry older dude, no kids, no nothing. Oh, fuck it, I'm buying some land. That's the man cave. Wait, now it's happening right there.

Yeah, it is. Get in the house. It's crazy. It's crazy. You put it in the backyard. I mean, with. Get in that house. It's crazy. It's crazy. You put it in the backyard. I mean, what about me? So I do think you're gonna see more and more people

get really creative with these things, and you're gonna start seeing them. What if you bought two of them stuck them together? That's all I just said. I said, put five together, 50 grand. You have 50 grand, you have like five little mini houses all combined, like each kid or family member has a whole house. What they can do with shipping containers, you know,

they've done a lot of that too, like cutting it off, getting sliding doors. Who was it that we interviewed with? That took control. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Retro, he took those shipping containers to turn them in. You can stack them and do all kinds of rooms

with them that way. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so I think we're gonna see that, I mean, between what you brought up about people just not, you know, or where we got used to living in big houses. It's like, no, I mean, if you actually went back to a thousand square feet, look at the shit you get for 10 grand now.

That's how much we have come along with technology and being able to fabricate something like that for so inexpensive, like you actually can get a house. The same size is probably what your grandparents got and probably arguably as nice or nicer. Probably nicer because there's technology in it. I don't know. Especially if you're handy and you actually know what to do,

right? It's so funny that South Park. Oh my god, that was so good. Putting this up so bad, it's all the time. They went after Disney hard. So, maybe the best South Park ever. The best. Dude, and this is what I've ever said. Dude, and this is why I love satire because it's like right there

in front, it's like what everybody's thinking, but a lot of people are afraid to like tackle, you know what they're seeing and the trends and things in Hollywood and everything else. It was hilarious. The fun, I mean, the part you were talking about just now is like you had all these white color workers but out of business because of AI. AI.

And they go to Home Depot. This is a big fear right now. Yeah, they have to like look for work at Home Depot while the handyman are driving buying like Mercedes. They're becoming the billionaires. My favorite part about that was years ago on here, we speculated on that. Yeah. That, you know, AI gets so sophisticated that it basically puts a lot of the white

collar jobs at a business and then to be able to do everything except for if you need hands, you know, you need arms. So great. They nailed it. They just viserated Kathleen Kennedy. Oh, yeah. It was crazy. Just taking business.

Yeah. Speaking of creative stuff, I learned about actually, you guys might find this really interesting. I learned about a technique to dramatically improve your creative thinking space. And they actually tested it. So Thomas Edison used to do this. I don't know if you guys have heard about this before, but Thomas Edison, whenever he got stuck on an idea, he would hold a steel ball in his hand. He'd sit back in his chair, he'd close his eyes, and he drift off. And when he fell asleep and dropped the steel ball, it would wake him up.

And then he would have... If he startled and something would... He would have great ideas. What? Yes. So no. The startled effects. They call it the hypo-negogic state.

So this is the space in between sleep, right before you sleep. And they tested this. They actually tested this with people where they gave them. It's the same as like lucid dreaming, like that same state or like a little bit of sleep. Kind of, right? Kind of.

So they're studying this right now because it actually works. They took a bunch of, they've done several studies now, but one of them, they took a bunch of people, gave them a complex math problem, told them how to solve it in one way, but there's another way to solve it that nobody... Dude, I wanna try this. Then they had them do the tests

where they were holding a plastic cup, they fall asleep or drop it and wake up, and after repeatedly doing it, the people who did that were able to figure out the other way of solving the math tests that faster than other people. What? Yeah.

It boosts creative thinking is what it does. Isn't that interesting? Like, how do you figure that out? Back then. He just, he, well, so Thomas Edison was holding something in the naturally, like I had to happen to him a couple times in a row for him to like put that together, right? Yeah.

It just happens at one time. You don't think, oh, because I was holding that ball and then I dropped it. Look, that's not what you think, right? Like, it just happens at one time. You don't think, oh, because I was holding that ball and then I dropped it. That's not what you think, right? 15 seconds in the hypnogodgic phase of sleep, I think I'm saying it right. Triple the chances of finding what was, what in this study called the hidden role

where they had to figure it out. Triple, so three times as likely to come up with a creative, yeah, dude. Why have we tried this? I'm gonna totally do this. Yeah. I'm gonna totally do this. I'm literally gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna hold something on my hand that'll wake me up when I drop it. And I'm gonna try and dose off. I mean, you're the perfect person to do this, because you could legitimately make yourself do that. Like, I would sit in a chair, trying to make myself, and it would be the most miserable day of the year.

I'd be trying to fall asleep for like five hours. Oh, we got this emulate movement somehow. Like, you're in a bus or a plane or something, and then I'm just gonna have Justin make jets sound sounds. You'll be out. But I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. asleep for like five hours. Oh, we got his emulate movement somehow. Like you're in a bus or a plane or something. Yeah.

I'm just gonna have Justin made Jett some sounds. You'll be out. You got any of that tarmac sounds? Just looking rolling with a tarmac. I can fall asleep, you know. Quiet, guys. I can tell you what. That's why I'm so creative.

Oh, shit. Oh, I'm surprised. Like, is it, you know, we've listened to the flow state and all those guys on our show that have been trying to hack that with microdosing, LSD microdosing, mushroom, all these different methods to try and be able to unlock new ways of solving problems.

Did they mention that? It's wild. So they found that there's a specific pattern of alpha and delta waves in the brains of the volunteers during that state that could be useful for research into creative thinking, but it's still a mystery. They still can't figure out why this is the case. So weird.

Takes a major shift. Talky gummies with it. No, hold on. He said, he said, he said, he said, she's the wrong. It's a different stuff from me. Hey, you know what's funny? This is how I'm knowing something. Maybe if gummies like crazy or no.

So here's what's important. I like them. He's talking about the organify chileg eat gummies. By the way, chileg eat, look it up yourself. Lots of studies. Don't look up, shit. Support that. No, that's totally different.

But people are like, oh, it's in gummies. Why don't they just put it in pills? Now there's gummies in this sugar or whatever it's like because organic ice smart people like gummies that's why they do it actually like repeat leaves it yeah I like a pill fanatic like people take pills all day long I really I'm so exhausted with pills what's funny about this is how many times I try to get you guys to take supplements yeah all day every day and we take those you guys we run out because they're gummies. Yeah, you know, it's true. I mean, it's true.

And yes, of course, pill form is a better way to do that. You don't have to put anything else in it. But the truth is, you'll be more consistent with doing that. Yeah. And it's the, in the supreme of e-sciilogy. I know I've talked about that, but it's a really good to be able to do that with like elderberry and also my vitamin C. I love the gummy version of all those.

I'm just better. I like Justin. I hate taking pills. And so when I have, I have to know what taking pills. What do you guys think about? I just don't, I don't know, man. It's just not pleasant.

Like it's like boring. Like I don't know. I don't know. Notness, like just, I don't know. We gotta be in it all the time with that one. It's not like a pill. I don't know why it's just like it's it's such a I guess it's it's it almost reminds me of like bureaucracy right. It's what it's like you have all these like like rule have to be cool. So you know it's like rigid man. Like here's my schedule. You guys, man. That's what it got.

We're all so bad with that. I hate that shit. Oh, I got to take it right now. That one told me to. Oh, you know, if you was a bag of gummies, I would be all right. Give me some gummies, please. We, I can eat like a little kid.

I'm having fun, you know? It's totally different. Yeah, freedom, freedom. The more medicinal something is, the more likely I have to take it. We can give you the supplement, but you have to inject it into your quad or something. Okay, cool. No problem. Let's go.

Hey, have I ever talked to you guys about the origins speaking of weird stuff, the origins of occlusion training? Have we talked about the same thing? I thought it was a hockey thing. No. Oh, really? No, dude. China or hockey was the first sport that they introduced to you.

No, dude. And so I got to see if I, I know I wrote this down because I can tell you guys about it, but I want to be like 100% accurate. Very interesting. Is it a mistake or something? No. So it was a Japanese researcher.

Hold on, I'm gonna put this on. on maybe Doug you can look up origins of occlusion Train let's you get there. Let's see we get there. So he got really engorged. No It's happening. No, okay. I got it. Here we go so it was invented in Japan and the the guy who discovered it Yoshiyaki Sato, a doctor, in 1966, noticed that because when he was kneeling for long periods of time in a Buddhist temple, his calves would become numb and they get pumped. Because he was kneeling so long he'd get up and his calves would have this massive pump. Now, he also

Participated in strength training. So we also understood bodybuilding. Yeah, so we understood the benefit of the pump So he said wait a minute. I didn't even lift weights and my calves got pumped. I wonder if that's got some Benefits to building Interesting and that's where it came from you guys That was the 60s now. I know that the first sport that we really tested this in was NHL players. Was it for recovery, for rehab. So I know that it was popular for, I don't know if it was actually NHL, but hockey was like the first professional sport that we were using it in. And now it's everywhere. I mean, that's just it's protocol now. Yeah, I've talked about occlusion training a

long time. It's well, when we, I mean, if you have an injury, I think it's for hypertrophy, it's great if you know how to use it right. But if you have an injury and you can't perform a strength training exercise with sufficient resistance because of the pain, occlusion. Oh, such a valid all. Yeah, it's so much. I think it's, I actually think it's a nice symmetric. I think it's amazing.

I think that, I wish I knew about it when I was a trainer. Oh, God. I had a lot of clients that I rehabbed in that we were told. We were, I was really careful. I had to put them on machines because I was nervous like because they just got out of knee surgery or hip surgery. Like, man, I would have definitely used

a inclusion training a lot more with the type of clients that I had I had known about it back then. I think it's a, I think for hypertrophy it's like, okay, I definitely saw benefits when I was, well, you know, doing it for my calves. I did it for my calves during competing time. It works. And it did work.

I got a quarter inch. Yeah, it definitely worked. I just, just whenever I talk about calf growth, you break calf size, it looks like we have cool story. Oh, wow, that's weird. What does that feel like? I mean, are you guys sure? You should just try doing nothing like I do.

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All right, back to the show. Our first color is Kyle from Malta. Kyle, how's it going? How can we help you? Um, well, first of all, it's a massive honor to be speaking to you guys. I listen to you every day and you've really changed my life. You've taught me a lot of stuff and it's different for you, but still listening to be overweight and this led to, I mean, me wanting to do was really led to unfortunately, I needed to do disorder, which I mean, it

was very unhealthy. I got almost addicted to the scale going down and so I did less and less thinking, you know, it's good without knowing what damages I've been doing to my body. Then I came up luckily, thankfully I came across you guys and came out, got out of this mindset and began a very day to try and get my metabolism back. And since then I haven't gained much weight, only around 9 pounds, but I visually, I mean, first of all, I feel much better and I visually put on a bit of muscle and I feel a bit stronger as well.

And now I was thinking of perhaps starting a proper, you know, but to really put on proper size. But recently I did a test, a blood test after I heard you guys speak about how important it is. And my testosterone actually came back a bit low, it came around 252. And this had a worry, the obesity, my brain, I started researching and it's hard, it's hard, it's the most easy, it's the most fat, the lower testosterone. So I just wanted to ask if it's possible how you would actually go about a bulk with low testosterone.

Yeah, great question. How long have you been out of the eating disorder, right? So when you started kind of refeeding yourself more appropriately, how long has that been? You know, it's been quite like 14 months now. And now I made, and it's, I made tenet around 2,800 calories, which I mean, is amazing for my weight especially. How tall are you, Clial? And how much do you weigh?

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you can still have a vitamin D deficiency, especially if your heritage is Mediterranean. I mean, my father's a civilian. He's always outside over here, and he had a vitamin D deficiency because people with darker skin don't convert vitamin D as easily. So I would get tested for vitamin D levels just to see where they're at,

because low vitamin D can definitely, definitely lower testosterone. Now, if you don't want to test it, unless your vitamin D is super high, you're probably safe supplementing with it. So I would supplement with zinc, vitamin D, I would definitely go on a slight surplus, and then I would strength train maybe two or three days a week

and focus on getting stronger. And then the other thing I would do is really place a focus on good adequate sleep. How are your sleeping habits? What time do you go to bed? What time do you wake up and do you sleep well throughout the night? Um, I usually go to bed at 11 p.m. and I have to wake up at around 6, 15, 6, 30. Yeah. Let's get you to bed. I want you to go to bed by 10 pm every night. Before you go to bed, an hour before that,

I want you to turn off all your electronics and try and walk around and be around in darker rooms. So that means when you hit the pillow at 10, your brain is ready to go to sleep. Do that consistently on top of the diet and the strength training. And I would get your testosterone levels checked within 60 days and I would be surprised

if it didn't go up. Yeah, I think it will. At your age at 20, I have seen personally testosterone levels fluctuate remarkably. I mean, going from low to high, not just low to normal, but from low to high, just by addressing some of the things that we're talking about, testosterone is incredibly receptive to lifestyle or reactive to lifestyle,

I should say. So a guy your age can depress us to testosterone tremendously or make it go up tremendously simply by lifestyle. As you get older, it gets more difficult. But at your age, you can swing testosterone in the opposite direction by working on a few lifestyle things, for sure. You're young enough that we don't want to start taking

synthetic testosterone. Now, we want to try and figure it out naturally first. I think there's a lot of things that we can try and focus on first and see if we can improve that before resulting in having to do like hormone therapy. Although that's a possible option if we have to go that route, but I think first we need to check some boxes. It's much less likely with someone who's, have you, do you look at protein and fat intake as well or do you just count calories?

No, I look at fats. In fact, recently I've increased after I got the results back after I heard you guys speak about it before I was, yes, I'm very consuming fats quite a bit, because I was always like, oh, I'm a volume eater, I'm a volume eater, but then recently I heard you guys say that That's actually a sign of not eating enough fats. So I've actually have increased now to around 90 to 95 grams a day. Okay. That's not bad, but I would bump that a little bit. I would go with the fattier pieces of meat.

Red meat is typically pretty good for someone your age, especially, and with low testosterone. And then supplement with those nutrients and get the sleep and then in 60 days you should and then strength train are you following your training look like yeah, what's your program look like So I do I do five days a week just split so push for legs You're gonna be in the gym three days a week and you'll do trigger sessions on the off days, but that's it That should that should yeah, that should that should get you some good results And if you're getting stronger in the gym, then you're moving in the right direction

Dugs and you and Doug's this and you over maps in a bulk right now Wow, thank you. Yeah, and then I love I love for you to circle back with us in about 30 to 60 days so give it give it a good 30 to 60 days of Consistently doing maps and a ball with bumping the fat and the calories Get good sleep and maybe the vitamin D and stuff getting good sleep and then circle back with us I think within 30 to 60 days you will already start to feel and notice a difference Yeah, you'll notice with your libido first Kyle. So you'll notice that your libido to feel and notice a difference. Yeah, you'll notice with your libido first, Kyle.

So you'll notice that your libido starts to improve and increase and strength starts to go up. And then that's typically a sign that your testosterone is moving in the right direction. But it's rare for someone your age to have to go on TRT. Unless they abuse the metabolic steroids or something at an earlier age, it's not common. There is even a step before testosterone where they could put you on HCG, something called

inclomaphyne, but that's even beyond what I think is going to be necessary. I think what I said, if you do that, I think you'll see a nice improvement. Do you spend a lot of time inside or do you go outside a lot? I mean, I do spend a lot of time inside because I have to study and university and all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would, I would bet. I go get your vitamin D levels test, but start taking it now.

5,000 I use a day with zinc. And then go get your body out. So I would be so, yeah, dude, because you see this a lot now a days with kids your age is that they're because they're so, they spend so much time in front of their computer, either studying or playing video games that you see these depressed levels of testosterone. You need sunlight, especially if your family is, you know, generations from the Mediterranean, and I can tell you look like you have all of complex skin, you need more sun than even, like Justin doesn't need that much sun, right?

But someone like you or I needs a lot more. Adam needs the most, because I'm the ghost. I mean, we should add that to our recommendation. You should make an conscious effort to first thing in the morning, to get outside, and even if it's just 10 to 20 minutes, like just get out there, get outside, if you can bring like your laptop or whatever like that,

so you can stay, like any chance you can get to sneak outside intentionally to just get more natural sunlight. Hey, you guys got the best beaches there too in the world. Like there's no beaches that they're amazing. Go outside, go outside. Okay. Thanks a lot. You got it, man. Thank you.

Thank you. Let us know how it out works out in about 30-60 days. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Keep it up, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. They have their gorg. Have you ever seen pictures of Malta? No. I don't know. Is he like close or is it? You know, for sure, like how big is Malta? It's a tiny island. Oh, yeah. Show the show. Pull it. Maladug you gotta look at this gorgeous beautiful beautiful. Yeah right Oh, gorgeous. Yeah, weather's gorgeous. There's like amazing. But you know like you know kids at this You'll see this all time when they see when you see these radical changes into testosterone

I mean, yeah, look at these water. Why was he not he kind of like shrugged you off like he was an impressed with the beaches? Uh, I don't know. Did you see him? I know. Sounds like you. He's probably just used to it. He's like, man. All right, bro. Beautiful beaches are everywhere. It is a big deal. I think, I think you see these huge swings into

Stasferone with young man. Yeah. To Stasferone's reactive. Like a man's testosterone will react to whether or not he won or lost the game. He actually done studies on this. Yeah. So that's the difference between TRT and natural testosterone.

TRT, it's always high no matter what. Natural testosterone reacts. And I mean, I've seen, dude, I knew a kid who was, how was he, he was in his early 20s. He went from like the testosterone of like a nine-year-old man to like at the top of the chart. Yeah. With, you can turn it around.

It's a huge young like you. Well, I mean, a couple of things. He admits that he's inside all day. He had an eating disorder basically starving his body of nutrients. Sounds like he was pretty low fat because he even, what he bumped it to is still on the lower end. He's over trained probably five days a week.

Yeah. So all those things, you know, that smell like low testosterone. So, and there's a very good chance that if he adjusts all that, that he's gonna see a major rebound. Our next caller is Jeremy from Arizona. Jeremy, what's happening?

How can we help you? Hey, hey guys, how you doing? What's happening? Good, all right. Thank you for everything you guys do. I'm excited for that. That's my question. I'll go ahead and get to it. It's a pretty simple question. Essentially, am I eating enough? So for some context, there's been some slight changes since I submitted the question back at the

beginning of September. But I started my current fitness journey at about 207 pounds. I got down my goal weight of 190 back in May, working with a coach through a macro tracking app. We started my calories at about 2200 and slowly up to about 200 calories every few weeks. Fast forward to the beginning of September, I got down to 173 pounds, taking in 3600 calories, and those numbers broke down into 300 grams of protein, 325 carbs, and 125 fats. I was still occasionally get hungry

and the scale was starting to continue to creep down. Anyways, update on that, the beginning of September, when I submitted the question, the scale actually started to go back up. I got to 177 pounds, and that happened over about four weeks. I pushed my coast down my protein, the 250, and we up my carbs to 375, because I kind of felt like the protein was a little excessive.

So yeah, I'm about 177 now, that's where I'm holding now, and we just did another bump last week, up to 200, back up to 270 grams of protein to get my calorie intake to about 3725. Sounds like you're taking a... Kind of feel... So the question is, are you eating enough? Basically, am I eating enough and is my protein intake excessive?

I mean, I hear from you guys, from Dr. Lines, that the one pound per gold body weight is as sufficient. So I kind of... I mean, I don't, from Dr. Lyons, the one-pound per-go body weight is as sufficient. So I kind of, I mean, I don't feel like I'm stuffing myself, but at the same time, I kind of feel like sometimes I can eat more depending on when I start eating throughout the day. So I'd say, probably look amazing. Yeah, you look amazing. Yeah, you look amazing. I mean, you're doing good.

There's nothing dangerous about the amount of protein you're eating, but it is more than you need. Are you, is your GI just an okay? Your stool normal? I mean, is that all normal? Yeah, as long as I stay up on my probiotics and digestive enzymes, everything is pretty good. Yeah.

I mean, you could try swapping out some protein for fat and see if that helps with satiety because you're, you're, you're, you're surpassing the upper limits of what protein will do for you, typically. So, and then I guess there's nothing wrong with it, but if you feel like you're hungry, sometimes swapping out a little bit of protein for fat, when your proteins are already really high, will make a difference. I mean, we just talked about this the other day about like the benefits of like resisting sugar cravings, things like that.

I mentioned that one of the things that I enjoyed about the ketogenic diet was running something that was higher fat like that satiated me and when I was running higher carbs, I tend to have more cravings. And this is how exactly how I advise you based off of how you feel. Like I would play with both.

I go, hmm, let's add a bunch more carbs if calories from carbs and see how you feel. I would play with both. I go, let's add a bunch more carbs if calories from carbs and see how I feel. Or my workouts better, how are my cravings feeling, how's my energy, assess that, and then go the opposite direction. Lower the carbs a little bit and really increase the fats and see how you feel on a higher fat lower carbs. Even with this protein and being so high, you can even swap out. Oh, yeah. No, I would get the protein down. That's where these extra calories are coming from, honestly, right?

So keeping your calories the same, reducing the protein down to say 200, 250 at the most, those extra calories now, partition those over into one time I would go really high fat, say for a week or two, see how you feel, then another time use those extra calories over in the carb department, and the things that I'm assessing are, how does my sustain energy through the day feel?

How does my gygestin feel? How do my workouts feel? And how do my cravings feel? And based off of those four things, I'm going to assess where I should put more of those calories at. And so, you're in a good place, though. You're going to play around with them. Yeah, it's to be clear, Jeremy. Protein in a head-to-head competition with other macros is the most satiety producing. However, if your fat intake is not meeting your demands and your fat isn't super low, it's at 125, but your calories at 3600, is that correct? Currently we're at that we just bumped up to 3700.

So if you have 3700 calories and your fat is 125, that's relatively low fat for that many calories, or at least from my experience, the fat needs to be a little higher. If your body wants more fat, it's going to kick up your cravings. So in extreme situations, people will go super high protein, super low fat, and they'll just have this insatiable hunger. So I would play around with it. I think Adam gave the best advice to see

which one makes you feel the best. As far as the results from protein are concerned, I mean, 200 to 220 grams of protein, you're not going to get any more benefit from any more protein for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. And this is what's cool about where you're at.

You've built an incredible amount of towels. You got a great physique right now. Like it sounds like you're pretty damn good all. It's like I'm, I actually go back and forth between this based off of what I'm trying to do. Like let's say you're getting ready to go on a trip, camp in or on a vacation with your family for a week and you're like, I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to be as active. I'm probably not going to get the gym as much.

So I'm going to shift over and eat a higher fat diet, so those cravings aren't hitting me on time. Or I have a week where I'm gonna be doing something that's really physical and active. Like, oh, I'm gonna bump my carbs and give myself a little more energy because I have this thing that I'm gonna do that's physical. I mean, so play with it.

I mean, go back and forth and test it and see how you feel. Yeah, and with as much protein as you're eating, I'm assuming you're eating a lot of lean protein as well. So it would be, it could be as easy as swapping out the leaner protein for fat or fatier. Yeah, enjoy it. Like 300 grams of steak. Yeah, 300 grams of protein with only 120 grams of fat tells me that there's some protein sources that you're consuming that are really lean. So I would switch it for fatier sources,

and that would be a very easy way to get the fat up in the protein to be down. Yeah, what are your, so what meats are you eating to get to that 300 grams, typically? I mean, lately, I eat a lot of vines in deer meat, some chicken breast, but I actually been doing more chicken thighs. Like you guys suggest because yeah, chicken breast, it can only, you can only take it in so long, but uh, yeah, that's pretty much a long line. Oh, there you go. Right there's your answer.

Go to ground beef, have some rib eyes, have some ground beef, have some chicken thighs, like just simply and then salmon. Yeah, enjoying those fattier meats. You're in a perfect place. And I'll probably take care of the crates. I would I'm gonna guess that that's probably where the extra cravings are coming from. Yeah, perfect. Awesome. Okay. Cool. I mean, what are you following? Are you following one of our programs? What are you following? Are now lifting wise? I'm in the second phase of anabolic advanced. Oh, beautiful. How's it working for you? Yeah, I like it a lot. I went from, I mean, I went from really high volume bodybuilding type stuff and I learned, I got on with you guys a couple of months ago and hearing you

guys talk about, you know, let's work to elicit more change and it took me a minute to kind of immensely shift into that and I mean I was a little bit in a bunch, I was doing a bunch of cardio and I just felt like I need to keep doing more and more and when I'm hearing you guys, I was toned back, it took me a minute to switch to that but it's actually been really good. I kind of tone it back a lot and I just, you know, I'll still go for my walks after I work out and whatnot. But it's been really good. Awesome. Alright, man.

Stay the course without them. Yeah, doing good, bro. Alright, I appreciate you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What do you, that's three-entagrams of protein with 125 grams of fat is a lot of well, that's like not. I mean, you hit it on the head. I'm glad you said that because I don't know why that didn't don't really ride away.

It was like, oh shit, that's what he's doing. I would not be able to hit three kilograms of protein in 125 grams of fat because I don't eat really, really, really, well, yeah, I know we eat pizza, ribeye and like, yeah, dude, that's like get rid of the chicken breast, get rid of the fuck. The Invenison's lean is fucked. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it probably hunts, right? Probably why he, why he does that, which that's cool.

That's cool to enjoy that everyone's, but man, go get yourself some high quality. Some high quality, some tri-tip or ribeye and go enjoy those. And your, his calorie intake is phenomenal. He's got abs and he's at 3700 calories. Oh yeah, he's killing that. Yeah, no, he's in a great place right now. Our next caller is Mark from Pennsylvania. What's that Mark?

How can we help you? Hi, gentlemen, how are we doing today? We're doing good, man. It's a good day. This is pretty exciting. I started listening about two years ago. A buddy of mine is a PT. Turn me on on your podcast.

I came for the fitness, got hooked into the conspiracies and stayed for the everyday, followed by small, that good stuff. So, appreciate what you're doing. Awesome. Thank you, Tip. Lizard people hate us. Yeah.

We know it. All right. I'll just jump right into it. I have my email here. I'm just going to read from it just for simplicity here. So I'll get started here. So I've noticed the trend I can't make sense of while running through the maps programs during the heavy weight low rep phases. I seem to peak during week two of the phase. For example, phase one week two of maps and a ball. I will go into week three of the phase expecting to be able to add weight,

but I can't even hit the previous week's weight. Is this to be expected? I have a little bit of context here. Do you want to add or just go ahead? Well, let me ask your question before we continue. Are you because phase two of anabolic will have you go 10 to 12 wraps and you'll rest about a minute between sets. Phase three will have you go from 15 to 20 wraps with the 30 second rest. Are you trying to use the weight from phase two to phase three?

No, no, I am not. I, yeah, I've been through Annabalic performance, aesthetic, maps 15 all those. and yeah, I dropped the weight down for the higher rep phases. He's talking about within the phase week two. Yeah, he's saying in, yeah, like in phase one of Annabelle like in week two, he's seen a peak. This is not that, that's not that weird,

but there are some things I still would appear into and ask like we could be overreaching. We could be like I don't know if You're feeding so if you're if you're overtraining under eating if our sleep is good where our sleep is at So and then is the intensity yet are your trigger session super intense in between on these days? Are you doing them at all like what what's going on with that? That's one thing. The first time I ran in a ball, I tried to do the trigger sessions. This last time, I wasn't able to do them, but whenever this last time I went through, I

split it up. The maps, 15 context, just because that works really good with my schedule. So I do half the workout, Monday, the second half Tuesday, and I just cycle through doing six days a week with that, if that helps. Okay. It's, it, it, it sounds to me when you get into that, because here's what happens with the volume in the programs. For the most part, not all programs, but a lot of the programs is the volume starts to go up considerably as you go through the program. Okay, so volume you could generally, this is on a 100% accurate, we could generally calculate it as weight times reps times sets. So if I squatted 500 pounds for one rep versus 100

pounds for 30 reps, I'm actually doing more volume with the lighter weight with that calculation. Okay, now I use an extreme example, with the lighter weight with that calculation, okay? Now I use an extreme example, but and you wouldn't do that, right? You wanna go from 500 to 100, but just kinda to illustrate how the volume ramps up so much because the reps are so much higher and the sets go up, it could be that the volume is just a little too high for you.

And I personally, when I get to phase three, have to cut down the volume in order for it to keep working for them. Otherwise, I start to find that it's a little too much. So I would cut the sets down as you progress through the sets. Well, especially the gains going on. Especially you sell in the context of what else is going on in your life.

So I would have more questions around that. What's your, what kind of work do you do? How's your sleep looking like? And he's lifting some big weights. I'm looking at what you're lifting here. And you know, you're getting, what is is that dead lifting in the 400 pound range? Is that what that says? Right. Yeah, that was well. That was what kind of surprised me so The second week of Annabelle like the way I was doing it on the Monday

I did 405 for four reps is my top set deadlift So then that Friday when I did it again I dropped 30 pounds just you know to kind of help with recovery. The following Wednesday whenever I was gonna do deadlift again I was figuring that I you know at least maybe go up to 410 or something but I was kind of hoping for 415 Well, I got up to 395 on my third set and for 415. Well, I got up to 395 on my third set and it was tough. So then the fourth set, I just left it and I only got two reps before I failed on that one. So I wasn't even really close. So that was kind of what and then whenever I looked across all my stuff, like the big four lifts, this is kind of a trend that I've had with week two, peaking in week three,

kind of stepping back a little bit. Okay, this is great because this is not a majority of the people that buy our programs, but people like, because you're strong, you're lifting big weights. And I noticed the stronger I got, the more careful I had to be with modifying the weight and the intensity.

Like, you know, once I started to get, you know, pulling heavy weight, I couldn't just keep pulling heavy weight, no matter how I programmed the program, I had to actually find myself like, okay, well, I'm gonna try pulling heavy maybe once or twice in the space. I had a little better, yeah.

So, yeah, I have some theories and I have a suggestion because I think we're all on the same page, I think we're reading into the same thing too. Like you're at a place now, dude, where it's just not gonna be linear for you. You're not gonna have these weeks where you just get to add weight all the time because you're already really strong. In fact, most of the time you're going to have these little setbacks because you had just

a rough week or you overreached a little bit on the last workout. Have you followed our Maps Powerlift program? I have not. I have it, but I haven't run it yet. The reason why this is where I'm going with this and a suggestion is because it's very methodical about where you need to be as far as your weight training. Right now, when people are just running like anabolic or aesthetic

and they're like, oh, last week I pulled 400. So next week I'm going to try 410. They're constantly trying to up their weight based off of how they think they should feel where that program is keeping you at like stay at this percentage of weight, regardless of how you feel. We're not listening. Regardless of how you feel. And then yes, instead of ratcheting it up on your own, then overreaching a little bit,

then having to go back a little bit the next week and then overreaching. So we're on point because I'm reading ahead on your question here. And if you could scroll down a little bit, Doug, it says here that you did maps 15, the advanced version. So it's about 20, 25 minutes. And in maps 15, so you're working out for about 20 to 25 minutes a day, right? Your deadlift, right? Your deadlift went up 40 pounds.

Your squat went up 35 pounds. Your bench press went up 25 pounds and your seated overhead press went up close to 15 pounds. So you're going to have to be more careful with modifying volume, intensity and frequency, because you're at the place now where you're strong, you're lifting big weights. It's not like it was when you were lifting 200 pounds where you could just push it and just progress linear. You're getting to the point now where it's going to be a lot more tricky and you have to be really careful. In fact, when I, when I, now, when I work out now, if I'm going for strength, I don't try to pull heavy except for once a month. If I go more than that, it just doesn't go up. But if I, and even if I feel like I can, so even if I feel like I do a work

on, but like, man, I feel like I could have added 50 pounds. I won't, I won't for another two or three weeks. Then I'll go for it. And then boom, that's why I think Maps Power Lift would do you well because follow Power Lift. The percentages will help your mental way of like looking at how to scale that up so you can peek it at a good time. So tell me your max deadlift squat and bench press. I don't know. I've never really done a one rep.

Recently, I did years ago. So years ago, I mean, probably 10 years ago, I did 531 for a while. And now my max that I've gotten would have been the 405 for four. And then so I don't know whatever the calculated one rep off of that would be. I've never actually really gone for the one rep. Okay, deadlift. Right now I'm currently I'm currently doing a version of the five three one again. I just finished my first cycle.

I just started into the second one, but yeah, I wanted to eventually look into it. Like I have strong and I have power left both and I've heard good things. My biggest problem and this might even be the main issue. So I drive track for living. So to work out, I'm getting up at like 4.30, sometime like yesterday I was up at 3.30 and I do my workout before I go to work. So I don't know if I look back and I thought,

my sleep didn't seem off, but I don't really get the best sleep. You know, I'm looking at like 5 1 1 2 1 six hours a night, six and a half for good night. We're right on point with what we're thinking. This is what you're just, bro, you're the strongest you've ever been in your life. You're not gonna see the continued gains every time you do it. Honestly, okay, so now that I know all that,

you know, the advice to do powerlif would be my advice if we wanna keep seeing these gains and that would be the best programming for you But honestly, I think the best programming for you for health reasons is like math 15 That that that level of volume you'll probably feel the best. Yeah, I think you I mean You're already strong, dude. That's gonna keep you probably pretty damn strong It's gonna probably complement the way that you work and your schedule the best That means you'll probably make gains on it.

Right, it's probably the best route to do that. I mean, I like the original thing I say with powerlip because I think that would discipline you to stick to like what the program says as far as not trying to, it can keep you increasing weight based off on what you think you should do based off what the program tells you. But honestly, maps 15 for what you do for a living

is probably better route. Yeah, are you getting the full eight hours of sleep every night? No, I mean, I'm on the weekends, even sometimes if I'm lucky, I get like I've always I was never one for like I've heard out and say like I hate sleeping. I just think it's a waste of time like, but the older I get to more I realize I need it and I appreciate it and like part of

that zone you guys like talking about how important it is. So I'm working on it, but during the week like I that was also I kind of had a second Not really a question just something I was curious about that we can get into but so I have an 18-year-old daughter a five-year-old son and twin two-year-old girls So sleep is kind of a premium thing right now. It doesn't happen all the time. They still, you know, you're going to be a better middleweight that kind of stuff. You're going to do maps 15. Yeah, that's going to be the best result. Yeah, because you got to stress from all kinds of different angles. I mean, you're sitting a lot when you are up. Then

your sleep isn't good. You got three kids, which I know that, you know, I got kids. I know what that's like. And you're strong. So, and so here's the, here's the, here's the thing. The stronger you get, the more sensitive you are to say, little things, right? Like, you're a beginner. I mean, you could have shitty sleep and if you're 20 and, you know, it doesn't matter. But now it's going to make a big difference, especially with the level that you're at. So I think a map 15 model, and then within that, so here's a deal, you might think yourself, shouldn't I change it up? There's a lot of things you can change up

within that model. If you worked out for 20 to 25 minutes a day, which is about two compound lifts or so, there's a lot you can change up. You could do higher reps, you could do lower reps, you could change up the exercises, you can make a more mobility focused, you can increase the intensity, but I think that's probably going to be the

appropriate amount of strength training for someone at your level and the context of what your life looks like. I think anything more than that is probably going to push you over the edge. Yeah, honestly, if you're doing anything more than I'm asking you just to go for walks because you have a job where you're sitting and driving. It's like, if you find yourself, oh, I got an extra free hour today, or like, well, don't do a long hour workout then, you're doing the right amount of volume and intensity

for the way train. Go for a nice walk. Go do things that are more recuperative. Go do some stretching, mobility, sauna, stuff like that. That's more recuperative for you. If you have extra time, otherwise, I think Matt's 15 is a better program for you.

How many hours a day are you driving? I've been there is I mean some days it's As little as three four at most to some days. I mean, I'm in the truck 10 12 14 hours So it just there's no real set to it. That's why I mean, it's kind of a pain like you know Even like in the mornings. I'm not always up at the same time at various. So. Okay. So first off, strength training is the best workout for you. That's going to be the most protective for the job that you do for your, your health.

Number two, take a pair of bands with you if you don't already on your, on your drives. When you pull over to use the bathroom, do a five, literally five minute trigger session, pick one or two body parts and just get a little pump. Don't do a crazy workout. Just get a little pump, get back in the truck. That will make significant improvements in blood sugar and recovery and energy and your hormone levels.

Just a five minute, 10 minute, get a little mini pump. You hook the band around something on the truck, a body part back, chest, shoulders, whatever Just get a little bit of a pump and get back in and drive off every time you pull over to use the restroom I would do that more specific. I like reverse flies or rows because you're in a rounded kind of four position on the truck So doing something posterior would be probably just to kind of do wing that all up Okay, and that's one thing I should say to it. It is kind of nice. Like, I'm not driving straight in those times. Like I haul my lapses to farms and feed mills.

So it's like, I get out like I might drive an hour, hour and a half, two hours or something. Then I'm out, you know, load and unload and hose is pulling hoses around doing that because stuff and then I'm back. You know, so my tour of work day can be anywhere from, you know, four or five hours to 14 hours or something. That's good. I do get a little bit of movement, but yeah, it's still not ideal. I mean, so yeah, good, good. Yeah, no, no, I, math 15 model is the way to go, man. Okay. Um, and real quick, if I have a minute here, um, I know you guys did a, uh, show

with Chad Wesley Smith a long time ago where he talked a lot about sports and kids. Um, and I know maybe this is even on your radar. And you've mentioned before about kids, you know, training kids. And I just thought, man, if I had, you know, my ideal show, like, that I would love to hear right now. And maybe you guys have touched on this, maybe you haven't. How would you train somebody, being that I have little kids, how would you train somebody say like with your own kids being younger to, and I know you have a lot of experience with the elderly, like at each stage in life, like how would you adjust training volume, that kind of stuff, break it down.

I mean, I don't know, maybe, and you've covered that over, over topics, over time, but just to have it all condensed into one show, I thought would be kind of cool. But I think that would be a cool episode without getting into, because I could turn into an hour conversation right now, I'll give you a generic good answer. I think that kind of encompasses a lot of what we would get into, which is map suspension.

The suspension trainer is so good for all ages, especially as an adolescent, so as they get bigger and heavier and stronger, you can progress it by making the movements more challenging. They're controlling their own body weight. So the risk versus reward is right where you'd want it to be. I would probably do that with most of my kids for the most part. And that's generic and we can be more specific.

I'll make it even more generic, like play with them physically, okay? And till they're tired, it's play driven. Yeah, your kids will tell you when they're done. So, and just make it fun. You go climb shit and do stuff with them, that's physical, or something that they enjoy doing, like gymnastics is great, until they're tired. So people are always like, how should I program the workouts?

Kids will tell, they'll stop when they're done. They'll stop when they're done. And you just go until they're, like So people are always like, how should I program the workouts? But kids will, they'll stop when they're done. They'll stop when they're done. And you just go until they're like, I don't, I'm tired. I want to sit down. Okay. Let's do that. Okay.

I like that. And then real quick before I forgot with my obligatory thank yous, but man shout out to the production team, Doug and Andrew and everybody behind the scenes. Like you guys have all had ruined every other podcast that I listen to because I love the fact that whenever you're talking about something you pop in a picture or video or something like I'm always looking for that and other podcasts and I'm so So disappointed whenever they don't have that so you guys

Podcast on the team in the background is awesome. Thank you for the good work. Way to go Mark. They're both asked for raises now. Yeah great. Keep up to good work way to go mark. They're both asked for raises now. Yeah great. Sinning you the bill. All right. Thanks, guys. I appreciate the time. Thank you. Immediately when he was like I'm a truck driver. I like to train train. I immediately thought of a movie. Oh, yeah, it was not cobra over the top. It the top. Yeah, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, you got

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just like we've talked about like professional athletes. Once you get to a certain level, right? Professionally in sports, it's all about like taking care of the body. Like you're already at the, wait with things kind of similar in the sense that once you've been lifting for decades and you've reached almost your peak strength,

it then becomes kind of more about mitigating the stress and all the other things to like stay in the game. Well, you're gonna love this analogy. It's like, what do they say about money? Making money, but then once you have a lot, learn how to keep it, keep it and let it grow. Yeah, 100%. Our next caller is Clay from Kentucky. Clay, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, yeah, super cool to be on here.

I've been listening to y'all. I think since 2016, so I feel like it's weird to be on with complete strangers, but feel like I know you all. Wow, that's back when I guess you do. We consider people like that fan, bro. If you've been with us since then, we suck way less now.

Yeah. I was trying to go back and just figure that out, but yeah, I've been running, I've started with Anabolic and run through a lot of your all's programs. And so I think for the sake of time, I'll read you my question just in, they'll stop me and go through there. And so, you know, I said, I've been following you all for a while. I think you all have transformed my approach to fitness, some former college football player,

some kind of relate to you in that way, just in coach for a long time. A currently, I'm a elementary assistant principal. Dad of two, we own a farm, have horses, I'm coaching my daughters, basketball teams, so like going on a life, very busy, active, average, about 15 to 18,000 steps a day. And we just run, life's good.

Just finished recently, running maps, the maps 15. Over the summer when I had a little more time around anabolic advanced, and I really like that, it's really good stuff. And I'm always a sucker for volume. I think it goes back to my football days. I just feel like I have to crush myself and like you know you're not really feeling it and I've been hanging on the maps 15 for a while and I finally ran in one school started. I feel like there's the best time life really

gonna get busy. I've been hesitant because once again I said I really like that volume and my body really responded. It's crazy. My strength gains, I went through the roof and it's one of those. I know I I listened to all your all episodes and I can like almost answer a lot of your all's questions. I know you're probably gonna tell me but I did not want to do it for my for my spell. Uh, straight gains, shot up. Uh, and you know when I submitted this question, I was still in phase two with that and kind of looking where do I want to go next. I really like getting the strength, pushing strength and so I did go ahead and purchase power lift. Kind of my goals right and so on me and phase two week three of power lift and really enjoying that and strength gains are going up weekly which are wonderful.

But I wanted some advice after that. Current goes, I'll be 39 in March. I got a spring break trip with family, plans in many can republic. So obviously goes, you want to be healthy. Be able to maintain active and play with my kids, coach my kids, but it won't be the good looking bad on the beach too, right?

So, and then something in the back of my mind, I've always thought about competing. That's not really my personality. I wouldn't want kids from school to know how I'm up on doing that, but 40th birthday next year, I thought maybe we have a local show to go do ZEEK. So a little bit about me,

just advice with programming. What do you all think I should look at going to next? Well, okay, so has your programming always been with like traditional lifts like your traditional five lifts and All right, I'm gonna all right. Well, I'll tell you what so shake it up But I got something for you that I think will blow your mind because you've been working out for a while You were an athlete before sounds like you've been lifting for a long time. I Think my up timing the old time. Yeah, I think that's old time. Yeah, dude, you're going to see our course program. You're going to see shoulder gains, you know, grip strength

gains, your core is going to look ridiculous, especially guy like you've got a good base. You've been training so traditionally for so long with like traditional strength training. When you're done with old time, you go back to any of our other programs and you're gonna see big improvements. It's so different from what you've probably done that you're gonna see very fast strength gains in it just from the skill acquisition alone. So that would be the program I'd say to do next. If I was going to stack your programs based off of

you wanna get in top shape, maybe potentially, oh, you're in good shape right now, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you wanna potentially get on shape, maybe potentially, oh, you're in good shape right now, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you wanna potentially get on a stage and compete. It would be old timing now, then anabolic, then aesthetic to get you ready for the show. There you go. If I was gonna do that.

Now, I would also recommend that you be open-minded to what you've already learned about yourself with Math 15, which is you're already a pretty damn fit dude. You're very active. you've a father, you're a principal, you got all this stuff going on. 15 is probably where you should spend most of your time based off of kind of your schedule and you got going. And it looks like you can maintain

a pretty good looking physique in that place. So I would just tell you to keep that in mind as you go through what I just recommended for aesthetic and be like, okay, listen to my body. I know that when I'm training there, that's where it feels the best, I respond the best. But if I were to program, programs out, that's kind of the order I would put you in

to get you ready for a show. Here's a thing Clay that is taking me a long time to learn because you're about to turn 40, I'm in my 40s now and this is what I learned and this is the struggle. The struggle was, oh man, I can't work out like I used to. I can't hit the numbers like I used to. This sucks. It's because I'm getting older. Well, then this is what I realized. I can work out less and not only be as strong as I was before, but in some cases, I surpass it. With a Maps 15 model, I had a PR and deadlift that I had done like 10 years prior. So in reality, what you're gonna notice is,

it's not that you can't do what you did before, it's that you gotta do less and you'll be able to do what you did before if not more. So that's, you're not trading, you're not trading like gains for whatever. It's actually like, oh, I just gotta change my programming up. But anyway, Maps old time is gonna blow you away, especially when it comes to your core and your back.

You're gonna trip out over how it develops the back and the core because of the way that the lifts are. It's gonna blow you away. But then after that, I like what Adam said, anabolic and then aesthetic, but maybe even a massive team again. Yeah, in my mind, I've just taken anabolic. That's what I always fall back into. I feel good. And in my mind, I've been thinking anabolic.

That's what I always fall back into. I feel good. I split it up a little bit, which ends up what being more like a massive team approach. You know, because I like the consistency of getting in the gym there. And sometimes I just don't have that hour. So that's always my fall back program. I love it. I know it's the first one you all did, but it just, it works with the lifestyle.

Yeah. No, I'll definitely have to try that out inside it because that'll be unique. It's not, I'm sure, I haven't really looked at it., it works with the lifestyle. Yeah, no, I definitely have to try that inside it, because that'll be unique. It's not, I'm sure, I haven't really looked at it. I'm sure it's not something. It's very unique. Very unique. The athlete and you will appreciate the challenge

of doing something new. And so I think it's a very skill-based. Yeah, you're gonna learn a whole new set of skills by doing that, which translates to everything else, like famously. But the muscle development you're gonna love. Yeah, you'll love the way it makes you look awesome I appreciate it. I don't really it's kind of answered my question and it's one of those like I've been listening for a long time

So I appreciate all y'all do you make a difference? You've kind of transformed the way I look at it and it's good stuff everything So I keep it up. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate the support and we'll send that program to you Clay All right, sounds good. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah That's good stuff, bro. I love that love callers like that dude. He's in phenomenal shape. He's a dad dad teacher at elementary Principal at elementary school like cool. Just give him a new challenge dude the whole time is gonna be perfect But that's I mean, I swear to God man keep, like, I've had to learn that lesson out on, I don't know, 15 times since I turned around on 39, 40. It's like, I know this is more.

I struggle with it because I'm like, oh, man, is this mean I'm not going to be able to do it idea before because I can't get the same kind of volume and the training. And it wasn't like I had to scale everything back because I just could, my body was going to be at worst shape. It was I scale it back and got better shape. Yeah. And it's what it is. It responds better when you give it the appropriate dose. And this is what it is. It's, you comment on this atom. It's all the years of work I did before. Yes. So my body's hyper responsive and I don't need to beat the shit out of it in order to get it

to, to, to move forward. You know, I remind, wasn't it Arnold used to say that he could come in and do one exercise and it'd be more effective than your 50 sets. Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of truth to that when you've put that much time under the iron, muscle maturity, right? And then as we get older, those factors that didn't matter as much when we were in our 20s, like sleep,

and stress, and that, now matter way more. And so, and then you've built a great base like he has. And so I was laughing as he was, I knew where he was going with him, like, Matt's 15 and talking about, like, oh, it's all these great results. It's like, that's a lot of the lesson here if for everybody listening is to listen to what we say.

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