Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2219: What to Do When Body Fat Doesn’t Drop Even When Cutting Calories, How to Break a Squat Plateau, Ways to Fix an Anterior Pelvic Tilt & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:05 In fact, food manufacturers love carbs and fats. They can often make lots of processed foods with those things that are hyperpalatable. They make you eat more. That's right. Protein is satiety producing. In other words, food manufacturers know protein makes them less money. So maybe there is a motivation. Just to why they seem to be demonizing this essential

Starting point is 00:02:27 macronutrient. Do you know to that point, this is also why, like certain protein powders and foods that are higher in protein tend to be more expensive. It used to be a work one of the things I used to get so frustrated trying to explain to somebody who would be like, that's so expensive for protein powder.

Starting point is 00:02:46 That's ridiculous. It's like you can't compare a 15 gram of protein that you can get at CVS to a 50 gram way protein that you get and be like, oh, it's half the price. Yeah, it's less than half the protein. That's what you're paying for. I mean, that is the most expensive part of the protein powder is the actual way protein that's in there, or whatever source you're paying for. I mean, that is the most expensive part of the protein powder is the

Starting point is 00:03:05 actual way protein that's in there or whatever source you're using. Protein is just, if you were to look at the three macronutrients, right? Proteins, fats, and carbs, it's the least palatable by far. Go to any grocery store and get a legit high protein food, process food, even. It's not going to be as tasty or engaging or addicting as foods that are high in carbohydrates fats and of course they'll throw salt in there, right? So it's just not as enticing. Number two, the margins aren't very good. Lots of, obviously most of the proteins come from animal sources. Now there are plant sources as well, but the majority come from animal sources. They're not patented. Till today, we don't have GMO cows that are

Starting point is 00:03:49 patented that we can, you know, crush the margins on. So it's low margin. It makes it eat less. Like it makes no sense for them to invest in this. In fact, it makes a lot of sense to move people away from protein. And by the way, for people who are like, why would they do that? That's too conspiratorial or whatever. Right now, food manufacturers are literally meeting to discuss the rise of peptides that make people eat less like some of the foodtides.

Starting point is 00:04:16 They literally are meeting and they're like, we got to figure this out because people are at least less food. We're losing people. Yeah, you're talking about billions and billions of dollars and carbohydrates, high margins, fats, very high, not all fats, but a lot of fats are, right? Because you could produce, you know, oils and have just incredible margins on those. And again, when you look at like classic palatability, of course, processed foods includes

Starting point is 00:04:39 lots of chemicals, and they hijack this and really just turbocharges these Frankenstein foods. But the classic formula for palatability, every chef will tell you is salt, sugar, and fat, right? So salt, carbohydrates, and fats. Protein is not on there. Add protein to anything and you reduce its palatability, increase the satiability, meaning you'll eat less of it. And of course, now we can go even further and say,

Starting point is 00:05:06 fit healthy people and then don't like that. You know, type of deal. I don't even think it goes that far. I think they're just like, look at our profits. People eat less of it. Let's, yeah, let's not, let's not glorify protein or let's downplay it a little bit. So people eat more of the substance.

Starting point is 00:05:18 In order to make profits, they got to reduce substantially the quality and like where they're sourcing and getting the protein from it. I was like reminded of this when I was in Palm Desert, my kids were in sports basement, I believe. They have all the regular stuff, and then they have protein that's there. I wonder what kind of protein they're going to have in a place like this. Of course, it's like a company that I thought didn't exist anymore.

Starting point is 00:05:46 Like it's basically shreds that convert over to like Ryzen or whatever. Oh, Ryzen. And so you see all these like flashy colors and you see like Jolly Rancher flavors and ghosts and like, you know, the prime and all these things. Like all the stuff that the kids are like really attracted to and like trying to describe to them

Starting point is 00:06:08 why you're probably not even gonna get very much protein or this if anything and you're just gonna get a bunch of carbon sugar and fillers and all this other crap. And so it's not even worth your time because they're really interested in right now and consuming protein and building muscle and all that. And this is like what is still out there is just like a total shitshow.

Starting point is 00:06:27 Yeah, totally. That's crazy. Yeah, it's, when it comes to protein, we know what it does for the, well, here's the angle that I like to go with, right? So when you look at palatability in satiety, satiety refers to the feeling of being full. I don't want any more. Palatability is how enjoyable something is to eat. And both of those are, we evolved to

Starting point is 00:06:54 develop satiety reading, I don't know, signals or systems in the body, we evolved to develop palatability to kind of drive us in our behaviors. This is the main theory as to why some foods produce more satiety, why some things are more palatable. So for most of human history, obviously, we didn't have heavily processed foods. And for most of human history, we didn't even farm. We didn't have agriculture. We were hunter-gatherers.

Starting point is 00:07:22 So why would protein, number one, be the most satiety producing second being fat, but why protein, right? Because if you ate a lot of protein in nature, you probably consumed a lot of nutrients. So your body didn't need to keep the hunger signal on, right? If you're eating lots of carbs, carbohydrates in nature, you're getting some nutrients, but not a lot. So your body cranks up hunger and keeps it there to keep you searching from more food.

Starting point is 00:07:48 Natural protein-containing foods tend to be very high in nutrients and those tend to be Sass wise your needs for nutrients. I mean again, this is not ideal but if you had to eat just one food and be okay, not ideal, but just be okay, not die. It would be animal. It would be literally just buffalo or cow or gazelle, those do you know available food source we got? Or just fish, right? So this is why that exists in the body.

Starting point is 00:08:18 In protein, people know this. One of the tricks that we all learned as trainers, it took me a long time to learn this. If I wanted to get my clients to eat less, all I had to do was get them to do two things, avoid heavily processed foods, hit the protein targets. It was so effective, in fact, so effective that the vast majority of my clients, when they would actually do this, would come back to me and they would almost all of them, like clockwork would say the same thing.

Starting point is 00:08:43 I can't eat this much. They would literally come to me and be like, I know you're telling me to eat 130 grams of protein. I'm trying to lose weight. I just can't eat that much. I feel like I'm stuffing myself. I'm going to gain weight. I'm like, no, you're not.

Starting point is 00:08:56 You're actually eating less calories and sure enough they would all lose weight. That's how powerful it is on the appetite. If you've never tried to eat your body weight in protein and grams of protein or target body weight if you're overweight, try it, do it consistently, see if you can do it for more than two weeks. And I guarantee what you'll find when you prioritize it,

Starting point is 00:09:15 you just can't eat as much, just period, end of story. It just kills your appetite. Food companies don't want people to eat less. Why would any market want you to consume less of their product? That doesn't make it counter business, that doesn't make any sense, they're going to make less money. They want you to consume more. They also like margins.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Look at the margins. By the way, it's just true for all-whole natural foods. All-whole natural foods have a tiny margin compared to processed foods. Because I can grow a bunch of things Sell those things tiny margins or I can put them all together Make you know, you know, you know, just in frudios or something like that, right? Delicious and I can slam the more I can I can raise the margins and I can patent it. It's my product nobody could copy me and There's there's the money. So the

Starting point is 00:10:06 incentives, I think it's more clear, I think there's a better way to say it. The incentives are not to promote the consumption of protein, even though all the data, all the data shows a diet that's I am protein is better for muscle, it's better for fat loss, and as a result, better for your health. You know, speaking of margins or any of you familiar, maybe Doug is a question for Doug to look up, because I'm not familiar, with the difference in the margins for all the different types of proteins, so like if we were to compare a way to beef, to pea protein, to...

Starting point is 00:10:38 The question. Like, because when you think of it, when you see protein on the market, it is, you know, if it's got third-party testing in it, it's relatively similar in price, right? Give or take, they're pretty competitive. So I'm curious to which is the cheapest to process. There's got to be one that's easier than the other. So I would assume way has got to be,

Starting point is 00:10:58 have the smallest margins, because there's the greatest supply, most protein powders, if's the majority right or way. Yeah. It used to be, by the way, I don't know if you guys remember this, do you remember when the first way protein powders were sold? You should be thrown away, was it? Well, way was thrown away from, like, from derries because it was in his desirable, but

Starting point is 00:11:17 then way protein became popular. It was designer way was one of the first companies, I remember this. And this is back in, I want to say mid 90s. So 95. I was like, yeah, stays. Like when I started getting into it. Oh, okay. So a little later.

Starting point is 00:11:33 Yeah. So I might have been 95. Maybe that can look up. It's a walled for sure. It was 96, 97, 98, because I worked in the factory that mixed it. That's right. That's right. So that was in high school.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Maybe Doug, you could look up designer way, when designer way was founded, but I remember it was like one of the first, it was like the first kind of like big protein, like way protein powder to hit the market before that. It was like egg protein or just like milk, isolate, and then add some soy. That was the big way, right?

Starting point is 00:12:00 And then they made, you know, ways the best, adjust the fastest, et cetera, et cetera. It's like, okay, so 1988, ways the best that just the fastest, et cetera, et cetera. 1988. Okay. So 1988. So I remember mid 90s starting in popular. And it was expensive. I don't know how big of a canister this is, but it's like 50 bucks. It's like, it was like the tube can. So it wasn't even a big jug with like 40 servings. It was like 20 servings of 20 grams of protein per serving. Yeah. And it was in the mid 90s. It's like 50 bucks. Yeah, it was close to 50 bucks. Yeah, I remember.

Starting point is 00:12:26 In the mid 90s, you could buy a bag of way for like 50 bucks now. Yeah. So they have to, the margins have to be tiny now, right? And then the question would be how does that compare to like P and B and all the other way? I think B would be one of the more expensive ones I would think.

Starting point is 00:12:40 Probably. I would think so. I would think P would be. I looked it up, but I couldn't find anything. Oh, you couldn't find anything now. I would think that vegetable would be like from P, peas and so that would be way cheaper, no? Well, back in the day, when my dad would buy protein powders, milk, isolate, or milk protein was a cheapest. And then the expensive one was egg.

Starting point is 00:12:58 I remember that. Egg was always a little bit more expensive. They used to sell those back in the day. Yeah, a lot of companies will actually break even or take a loss on the way. To bring you in. Yeah, to bring you in and get you to, because it's so competitive, there's so many different companies

Starting point is 00:13:13 that provide all the different protein powders that they'll take a hit or break. Very similar to the Costco strategy with chicken, right? It's like, we'll take a loss on the chicken to get everybody in here, buying that, because we know that they're not gonna come all the way to Costco and just buy a chicken and then leave. They're gonna buy much other stuff.

Starting point is 00:13:31 So I think the same concept with supplement companies. The winners do that, right? With movie tickets. They don't have huge margins on movie tickets. Oh yeah, they make it on the concession. Yeah, for sure. That's why I beg of popcorn so expensive. You have to, speaking by the way, speaking of protein powders,

Starting point is 00:13:45 I've identified this with myself. I want to communicate this to you guys because you guys are both working with your gut health. So I identified this for myself and I looked it up and it's confirmed in some studies. Artificial sweeteners for people with gut issues, they tend to trigger symptoms. So I went off all artificial sweeteners last week and I had significant improvements.

Starting point is 00:14:07 The past couple days I reintroduced them, sure enough I'm having issues. So it's not food intolerance stuff, it's literally sucralose aspartame or other artificial sweeteners. Interesting. Yeah, so we're I'm ready to cut, yeah, cut it off anyway, too. Even with some energy drinks that have them in there. Yes. Like, dude, it adds up.

Starting point is 00:14:27 I'm sure that's going to contribute. It's a pretty sure. It is for me, because I went on and off and then I looked it up. What were some of your biggest offenders? You're pretty good about that type of stuff. What were your offenders? So if I get... They know Justin and I, we're guilty of the energy. Yeah, we're guilty of the energy.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Energy drinks, sometimes number one, those are addicting. And they're obviously the taste good and they're fun. So energy drinks. And then the occasional, if I'm out and about protein bar or something like that, because they'll try and make protein bars low carb. Yeah, that's all what you mean. You're not consistently doing any of that stuff. No, the energy drinks is the most consistent.

Starting point is 00:14:57 But even just one or two I noticed, what kind of bother me? I couldn't figure out what was going on. I thought was it just this process? So I'm just sticking to my paleovali protein because that's no artificial sweeteners and it's collagen protein, which is good for your gut. And no, I'm just going to go caffeine pills. No more, no more. Yeah, I go kind of do that like them. Yeah, weird phases where I'm like switching the caffeine source and so like it's been heavy on the energy drinks side. I've been going back to like Nitro and, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:28 just pure black coffee, just to get back on in that mode. Were you okay with beans on your intolerance test? Not, well, there was like two different kinds of beans. I was okay with the rest of them were like not on the list. And then all of the nuts were like pretty much you know because some people have been in tolerance and just let's just take all the love away from my life. If Jesus coffee or I'm over it. At that point I just deal with it. Yeah just deal with the crazy shit. Just get in there and just like staple stuff

Starting point is 00:16:08 to get on your effort. I just, this is just who I am. You accept me. I come, there's not a, like there should be a movement. I get how there's a movement for every damn thing now. There should be a movement like bad gut health like a kid. This is who I am. Yeah, we should have marked it.

Starting point is 00:16:20 I'm gonna do it in a flag. Yeah. I think most people are just still unaware. I mean, I think most people are just oblivious to any of their issues like that. There is. I agree with you. When you talk to people, so many people I've got issues. Oh yeah, it's just don't even know. Walk around, blow it and shit all the time.

Starting point is 00:16:36 How is Thanksgiving for you guys? Oh, well, whatever one did just well. I'll lose it. Let's do this one. Kind of crazy. Well, I mean, there's always like family stuff that's, it causes like chaos a bit. And then we kind of ride it out, have fun and make them the most of it.

Starting point is 00:16:56 But like, one, so when we went after Thanksgiving, we always cut the Christmas tree. And so this is like kind of, you know, the most chaotic day we've had as we've all been gone into our vacations. But we went to go, just, I thought, hey, I'm gonna bring the dogs because I haven't got them out of the house a lot and they've been kind of sitting in there all like depressed.

Starting point is 00:17:17 So I'll take them with me. And so we kind of went to our usual spot and actually ran into somebody that, like, listens to the show there and it was cool Outcut in the tree. Outcut in the tree was totally random You know, and I was like oh cool And we started kind of walking in a different path. We haven't done before and my Weiner dog is like really low to the ground and just kind of like

Starting point is 00:17:44 You know dog is like really low to the ground and just kind of like, you know, let me explore as everywhere goes through all the stuff in the holes. Apparently, um, Courtney, like, she all of a sudden like had this like reaction was like, oh, oh, something's biting me. And it's like something, it really hurts. And I need you to look at it. And I'm like, oh, God, what, what's going on? Like, what is it? Like, what do you think it is? Like, I don't know, it could be like a spider, it could be like a bee, it could be like an ant,

Starting point is 00:18:09 I don't know what kind of insect, something just bit me. And like, you need to take a look at this. And I'm like, okay, I'll take a look at it. And, but we have to go over here, because like, everybody around there's like, kind of walking through and like trying to pick a tree and stuff, and so it's hard to like find privacy. And so it was in a very precarious spot. I was trying to flirt with you.

Starting point is 00:18:29 I was hoping. Yeah. Look at this. Real good. Was not the case. Okay. So definitely look like it because she had to take her pants like all the way off. Oh.

Starting point is 00:18:38 And to wear it for a second. Yeah. It was like on like, you know, anyways, I won't reveal everything. It was very keep going. It was very, you know, in a sense of spot. And so it's just like, you need to look at this and make sure there's no like two like prong marks, like, you know, it's not like a black widow

Starting point is 00:18:57 or like a brown rec loose or something crazy. And I look and there's definitely like a sting mark and it's puffing up and everything, and I'm like, oh no, you got stung by something. I don't know what. What? You know, because sometimes you'll be able to see like the insect, the red or roll kind of like,

Starting point is 00:19:13 yeah, fall out, and so like, oh shit, we need to take your pants off, and say, can't take my pants off here, you know? And so we're like, okay, well, let's go back to the truck, and so we go back to the truck, and take your pants off, and so we're in there, and there's people like, you, well, let's go back to the truck. And so we go back to the truck and take your pants off. And so we're in there. And there's people like, you know, with Coco and their kids

Starting point is 00:19:29 and they're all like walking around us. And like, I'm like hiding and shooting. And she's like, this, you know, in the truck and I'm like examining, taking pictures. And I'm like, trying to reference it, dude, cause I don't know what insect this is. You know, I'm like, I was worried. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, normally't know what insect this is. You know, I'm like, I was worried. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

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Starting point is 00:20:20 Oh. And so and we know that they all got pissed off because Finn like like got them all crazy because I think he he shoved his face in one of them because now you see Finn his face is you got stuck all over his face. He's got like, and then he started to go in high and he's got like bumps all over his body. And so, this is a before we even cut our treat, you know? And so, like, they're all held in a giant, I can't believe it. Yeah, how did it be, get her vagina, bro?

Starting point is 00:20:54 Like through, like, it was into the vagina. Oh, okay, you were. Close to the vagina. Okay, so we're interthought. Sorry, Courtney, sorry. Yeah, it's okay. What you, you were probably, it was like, you were hinting at it,

Starting point is 00:21:04 but it was like, it was like, it was like the butt, you think butt, if you're like, here? Yeah, it was like with him. He was like, he were hinting at you. But it was like, he was like the butt, he'd think butt, if you're like here. Yeah, it was like here. Oh wow. I don't know, like we have no idea. Like if it was like through the pants, can they do that? Like I don't know.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Jeans, was she wearing jeans? She was, but they're kind of like stretchy. So I don't know if that like made a difference. But it was, I had no idea like how this happened or whatever, just flew there. It just, it just penetrated and infiltrated. Yeah. Oh, it could have gone through the pants if they were tight. I think so. Okay. I think that's probably what happened. But, but either way, like my niece, she, she got bit two. And so they were kind of like tending to their

Starting point is 00:21:41 wounds. And we're like, well, we're here. We got to make the most of it. So we got to go cut the tree. So I went with the kids and everybody to go, you know, cut our tree down, do our thing and then like have Coco and them. I'm, we finished it up and I'm kind of driving out to pay for it. And they have tamales and all this stuff there. And so I'm actually, I'm going to take the dogs home. You guys go to my in-laws, and then they were gonna have lunch and all that.

Starting point is 00:22:08 And so I basically have the dogs by myself and my truck, and I'm getting out to pay this lady. She's like, oh, he's cute, whatever. And then Finn jumps up in his face and just, she's like, oh my God, what happened to your dog? He got stung by these yellow jacks. Oh, I got Benadrill, she goes and gets Benadrill for him. And they fully, but then like Finn just loses it,

Starting point is 00:22:32 pukes everywhere in the back seat. Oh my god. Arlo stops all in it, stops all over my freaking truck like everywhere, dude. Mike truck is a vomit comet oh and I get out I'm saying no and like and so they're all in their car right behind me I'm like waving them in like help you know like this craziness happening and they get up to like help but they just bought some ma tamales with these like salsa, these cans of salsa

Starting point is 00:23:07 that are like the lids aren't on very well. So it gets up, spills all their salsa all over their car. So they're trying to clean their car. I'm trying to clean it. What a shit show dude. Wow. This is a lamp. This is a national lampoon.

Starting point is 00:23:20 It is just like that. And it didn't stop. Like I saw, I went home and I like, I took him back there and I, and I washed washed Finn and I'm trying to make sure he's okay and hope the right dose of Benadrill wasn't a thing. I don't know if you'll leave him, maybe you should bring him with me. And he's just like, okay, it'd be all right. So he's just kind of sleepy and chillin' and I drive back over and I'd get there, and this is like an hour and a half later

Starting point is 00:23:46 at that point where I'm like, I'd come back and then I'm hanging out with them again. I figure they ate, right? Like, it's lunch. It was lunch a long time ago. I didn't eat all day. Like I just had coffee, and I was like, look forward to this big lunch.

Starting point is 00:24:00 And so I get there and like, they're all, you know, kind of sitting around like, oh, hey, you made it. Like, I'll try and like excited that I'm there. And like of sitting around and I'm like, oh, hey, you made it. I'll try and get excited that I'm there and I'm like, a lot of attention. And I'm walking in and there's like jalapeno poppers and all this stuff and like soup and all this. And I eat, you're eating, they're handing me all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:24:19 Apparently that was just like the appetizers. And so I'm just like, oh, great. I start scooping like the chili in there and all the put all the stuff in there and they're all looking at me like, oh, we haven't eaten yet. And I'm just like, oh, oh, cool. Well, why'd you tell me to eat this?

Starting point is 00:24:35 And like, like, it was just reasonable. Like, I didn't put it together that like, they were just eating or derves and like appetizers and whatnot. And I just went for the main course and so now, now I'm the asshole that like did everything. On top of everything. Yeah, in front, and so, it was just a small thing,

Starting point is 00:24:51 but at that point I was like this, where I literally almost lost it in front of everybody and then my sister was like, here, here's an Irish coffee. Like thank you, I go outside, I just had like a moment to myself and just like drink an Irish coffee. Oh my god. It's trying to chill out. Oh my God, dude.

Starting point is 00:25:07 And it just kept going. There was a lot of other chaotic events that happened after that. But it was like, that was just the one day after Thanksgiving. What? A nightmare. Yeah. Wow. So that's a commercial for Irish coffee. Yeah. Do you guys remember?

Starting point is 00:25:22 Z-Batics. Do you guys remember that commercial on TV when we were kids? It was like a bubble bath for moms. Calgon, do you guys remember that? No. Yeah, where the mom would be like, ah, my kids are driving me crazy.

Starting point is 00:25:35 And then it's like, Calgon, take me away. And then she's in the bath with the bubbles. And she's like, ah, she's like relaxing. I don't remember that one. I remember that one. I remember that one. No, I don't remember that one.

Starting point is 00:25:44 Oh, yeah, dude. I don't remember that one dude. I remember that. Yeah I was it always show the mom like losing her shit and then a bubble bath fix now in a situation like that is Is Courtney bad like you to or she's getting all stressed out to or she like calm and so are you both were you both like? Yeah, well, you know, thankfully she recognized like kind of the level I was at and was very conscious of when I get to that point, she was kind of rubbing my shoulders and trying to make things a bit easier for me from then on out, but yeah, no, because otherwise if we're both like that,

Starting point is 00:26:19 yeah, it's a bad day. Wow. You know what, it's one of those things that sucks, oh, there's a commercial right there in 1978. Wow, look at that She's 1978. I mean they would repeat them, you know, but You are aging yourself on this one. Yes. I don't think I ever saw these. Yeah, she's like Losing her shit and then apparently a bubble bath fixes everything Wow, I don't know what they put in that bubble-a thing yeah bubble bath but bubble baths yeah I think

Starting point is 00:26:46 she's relaxing bring him back I think she's relaxed still look at that bubble bath to his friend five bubble baths you still do that right now that's five of his right right why do you have bubbles in your

Starting point is 00:26:56 path I have a son dude I have a son oh with him yeah I'm a fuck I'll take it by myself too why because I like it but what is you do a bubble bath is lavender in the salt and all that stuff like in it so it's like it's not just bubbles I don't do like mr. Bubble It's like a spa like bubble but one of the games the versions like dish soap Yeah, they brought grew up on that

Starting point is 00:27:22 You know so funny you say you know so funny you say that okay, so. You know it's so funny, you say, hey, you know it's so funny, you say that. Okay, so I totally grew up on that, right? And I remember, when we were kids, my sister and I, I was, see here, I gotta be fourth grade right here. So my sister and I, we cleaned my, we see here, my mom's, the car that I told you guys is the ship brown one

Starting point is 00:27:38 that I drove for. One of the other things I've never described about it is that for the rest of, from what I was fourth grade, remember I drove this car when I was in high school, okay, from fourth grade on, any time it rained, the entire car would bubble. And because my sister and I sat on the top of the roof

Starting point is 00:27:55 and emptied like a whole dish soap thing, and like the shit got in all the crevices, in the paint, or what would it rain to you just so? You know the bubble bill? So whatever it would rain, I'm talking like years later I'm not fucking exaggerating that that I don't know what is in that that Don Disso for whatever it's seeped into that car because we just I remember I never forget her sitting on the top of the hood and hers just sitting there and I'm

Starting point is 00:28:20 spraying we like emptied like the whole thing on there. And forever that car, if it would rain, like bubbles and suds would come out. So it's so dirty. That's how it's all dirty. You know, Don, Don was saved a lot of, I mean, there's a commercial enough that's just the one for the oil spill. Yeah, when they had the Exxon oil spill,

Starting point is 00:28:37 and then they, you know, Don. Valdeez. Yeah, they did the commercial with Don, where they're like the ducks. We cleaned the ducks with Don, and they're cool now, you We cleaned the ducks with Don and they're cool now. Yeah. That was a good, as good as a pure move. Very, very good. So Thanksgiving for us was, we had 50 people, right?

Starting point is 00:28:53 Maybe more. So I might be 60. My grandmother's house, nobody's in there anymore, right? My grandfather passed away. My grandmother, she needs kind of full-time care. So she goes between my mom and my aunt's house, okay? So their house just sits there. And my aunt's and my mom went in there,

Starting point is 00:29:11 maybe a few weeks ago and kind of started cleaning it out. And you're talking about, remember my grandparents were the original owners of this house. So this house was built in 1960, something maybe, and they bought it for like 20 grand, you know, in San Jose, and they're just living there that long, there's a lot of stuff that ends up, so they went through the whole house,

Starting point is 00:29:31 very emotional time, whatever, and they all said, hey, let's do Christmas here. Let's have all the families come into Christmas here. Now I have such a big family, and I'm not talking like super extended family. It's literally my grandparents, their kids, their kids kids, okay. So it's like my mom's side of the family.

Starting point is 00:29:50 Because we have a whole other side of family that we can't possibly invite, just too many people. So that's the people, but everybody has a lot of kids and all that stuff. So we said, let's have everybody at nunness house for Thanksgiving. And usually there's always a few people missing. There's just a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:30:07 And people are married, so sometimes they go to the rent and loss house. But this was one of the few times where everybody showed up, which was nice. It was really nice, because my grandmother's getting old, so it was like, this is gonna be nice to do that. But remember, this is a San Jose track home. Yes, a 2000 square feet.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Maybe. Okay. So, packing them in. San Jose track home. Yes, a two thousand square feet. Maybe okay, so pack it in well we had The garage set up with tables. We had of course the dining room Set up the kitchen set up the patio set up I mean the the living room set up with tables so so anywhere you could kind of plop down Yeah, like fold out tables folding chairs everybody brought food.

Starting point is 00:30:46 And it was just, and there's a lot of babies now, just because my brother has, you know, two kids now, both of them under three. I have mine under three plus my two older ones. My cousin Alex has now two under three. My cousin Gabriel has one but has one on the way. So now we got all these babies on top of it, plus the teenage kids and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:31:07 So we all show up and it's just, it's a lot. Pretty quiet and chill. No, not at all. So we get there and it's just, bro, it's in your face. My little ones are not used to this. When I was a kid, I was explaining this to Jessica and I'll tell you why in a second, why I explained this to her,

Starting point is 00:31:21 but when I was a kid, I need to explain. She's just like me, so I know exactly why you'd have to talk to her. Well, we'll get into it, right? We'll get into it. When I was a kid, we were always, we were together with a lot of people at least once a week. So every week I grew up having Sunday dinners

Starting point is 00:31:37 and being around 20, 30 people, just every son. And so we were just used to it, okay. My little ones aren't used to it. They do this once a year, twice a year at most. And they're so young that they don't remember the last ones. This is like the first one they ever did where there's so many people.

Starting point is 00:31:52 Soon as we walk in, my daughter, clings onto my wife, and she could tell on her face, she's like, because there's just a lot of people, and a lot of people wanna give hugs and kisses, and everybody wants to say, Sure. My son clings onto her leg, okay? So she can't, and they don't even want to come with me.

Starting point is 00:32:08 I'm trying to like take them from her. They don't even want to come with me. They just want to be with mom. So Jessica was like, I need, like at one point, she's like, I'm leaving. And I'm like, okay, let's go into the room. Let's, kids, it's just, you can't do anything. She, she, she, everywhere she goes, she's got both kids.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Wow, that's, yeah. Oh, so much, right? It's just crazy. That's kids is just you can't do anything. The kids she, ever she goes, she's got both kids. Wow, that's so much right. It's just crazy. That's a lot. At some point I was able to kind of pull my son away, then my daughter for a little bit. You know, we were trying to eat in the garage with everybody. So Jessica picks three, you know, three places to sit. I go and get plates for everybody,

Starting point is 00:32:41 but my kids are just literally climbing on it. They don't want her to let it go. There's literally, I mean, I'm telling you, I'll show you guys pictures. You're sitting like butch-yke to butch-yke and they were all like, pack, you can't get up and move. So she's like, you know, freaking out. So I'm like, let's go upstairs, we'll go sit by ourselves

Starting point is 00:32:57 in a room, we'll have our food there, we'll try and do the thing. So we did that, that helped a little bit. But it was just, it was chaotic. It was, now again, I still find myself getting a little anxious, but because I grew up that way, not nearly as bad as when you show up and this is not how you roll or what you did or whatever. So Jessica had a tough time, the kids had a tough time.

Starting point is 00:33:16 At one point, we were going to do a family picture where everybody was supposed to fit in the living room. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now, this is, now the reasoning is my grandmother's, you know, she's, her health isn't good. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:33:32 She's older and every time we all get together, it's not, you want to capture it. We want to capture it because who knows, right? So imagine organizing everybody in a room this size. No, smaller than this. Now, who does that? Is there like a point person or is there a few? So imagine organizing everybody in a room this size. No, smaller than this. Now who does that? Is there like a point person or is there a few?

Starting point is 00:33:49 Oh, it's my sister and my aunts are trying to organize this. So we're trying to squeeze everybody including babies. So you're trying to hold kids. Oh my God. People are up against you. The kids are freaking out. And my sister's yelling, everybody go away, go out one more time.

Starting point is 00:34:04 All right, one more picture. Wait, you guys look at it. It's just like, oh my God, I hear my cousin Alex, he's got his little girl. He's like, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna leave. But we got some pictures, it was good. And now here's what's funny, this always happens. The last 15 minutes, my son warms up,

Starting point is 00:34:22 wants to play with everybody, and then we're gonna go. I don't wanna leave, sorry buddy. We'll get never gonna leave. Kids are sorry. Now, so that was Thanksgiving and it was a bit much, but we're organizing these Sunday dinners to try to just get more people together more often. Cause I mean, you can't do that to little kids especially.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Where they just, once a year you show up and there's a million people that they aren't necessarily familiar with. Familiarize. And they're just in their face. Because my family's very in your face. Very much like that. So you, yeah, I know. You understand that. Well, so I can't, so so funny with the audience doesn't know is off air. I was, I came in this morning venting about my, my Thanksgiving, right? And you, Sal just kind of sitting there quiet. And I can't help but think. So has it, has hearing me vent about how it is for me

Starting point is 00:35:09 and Katrina's family helped you with that perspective with Jessica, or did you already kind of see it anyways? Or has it helped? And the beginning it was hard to understand because I, you grew up in it. Just like Katrina. Yeah, it's not. Katrina is very disconnected.

Starting point is 00:35:24 It's not my awareness. Yeah. Because in it. Just like Katrina. Yeah, it's not. It's very disconnected. It's not my awareness. Yeah. Because if you brought me around, your big family, it wouldn't bother, I wouldn't have the same experience because I have it on my side. Try it. You would adapt right to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:36 So, but yes, it does help to hear kind of what you go through and understand. I understand Katrina's, you know, what she probably gets from it and how you guys have to, you have to compromise. you just have to. That's been the, I mean, God, this were 13 years, right? That's probably been one of the greatest times because it's tough. And I understand from your perspective

Starting point is 00:35:56 and her perspective because, man, you guys love that. And it is just how you erase. So part of the chaos is just part of the process. You know what I'm saying? And we're all together. And so we embrace it and we love it. And so I see that from her family.

Starting point is 00:36:12 And inside I'm like, my skin's crawling. I'm like, oh my God, get me the fuck out of here. Like I can't do it. But over years I've become more and more patient with it. And I think the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like I would say this is probably one of the most successful Thanksgiving holiday big events that we've had as far as like you know no there was no fighting there was everybody was good. And I think a lot of that is just really truly understanding

Starting point is 00:36:36 each other like Katrina knows that you know I'm on day four in a row of you know loud music two in the morning. You're next level because you guys, it's not just a party you go to and go home. You guys spend the night and do four days a week. And that's like every, the Christmas is like that, Thanksgiving is like that. And there, I mean, people on couches

Starting point is 00:36:58 and blow up mattresses and rooms, like, I mean, it's three, four to a room. Like it's, you're stepping over each other. There's no big deal. I don't know if the jazz code would be able to do that. I mean, luckily, luckily, four to a room. Like, it's, you're stepping over each other. There's no big deal. I don't know if the Jessica would be able to do that. Cool. I mean, luckily, I'm at the trucky house, and so that place is a good size place,

Starting point is 00:37:11 and so I could kind of disappear. And what's great about my wife is that she understands me now that I can, and what also has helped me, because in the past, I would look like such a bad guy, but what's great is my son is me. Like, he fucking is too atti att by about the third or four day, he's over it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:29 He's just like, you could tell and he wants to, and you know how much my son is like loving and what, like he doesn't ever get in at it. Like he all sudden gets fussy. He doesn't want to be around. He doesn't want to play with his cousin who he loves to play with. Like he's like over it. Dad, I just want to go watch cartoons with you.

Starting point is 00:37:46 And so I can kind of disappear with him and go off in a room where we set up by the fire for hours, just him and I. Why the house is like, wow, loud music and drinks and their shots and everything like that. And we're like over in a corner for hours by ourself.

Starting point is 00:38:01 And in the past, if that was just me, it would be an issue. Cause then I look like the outsider who just doesn't wanna be with everybody. And so that was really hard. He'll take a personal. They do. So Katrina's brothers and family. Of course I get it.

Starting point is 00:38:14 Would be, would be take a personal. Would the matter doesn't like that? Yeah. And then Katrina's in this, like we're particularly, why are you like this? And it's like, why can't you do it? And it's like, oh my God, I just wanna break. At least with Max, it's like this nice excuse.

Starting point is 00:38:25 Everybody sees the way he's acting and he doesn't want. And so they're like, oh, Adam's taking care of Max. And so it's like, so it's accepted. So it's like this beautiful thing that's happened where it's like, oh, cool. My son needs a break, I need a break. Like we just kind of disappear for a little bit. It's over stimulation.

Starting point is 00:38:39 It's a lot of everything. Well, the other thing too is that, like so when you come from like you and her, you'd like, you guys have this abundance of love and energy and everyone together. And it seems so obvious like why wouldn't someone love that. And then the other side where I come from where it's just like, oh, dysfunctional,

Starting point is 00:38:57 we really got together, we did all, but because I grew up that way, I've also learned to love some of those things. So like man I actually love just like we got back it was me Katrina Max and the fire was lit We may popcorn. We watched the movie house was silent like man. I was like I love this and so there's a part of me that That's loves that even though I appreciate the the love and energy and everything that comes with the big family and all that stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:39:26 And I tell you, I mean, my thinks we go around the table and we say what we're thankful for. And this big chaotic family is what I said I was thankful for because now having a son, boy, do I really appreciate, I mean, I truly believe it takes a village to raise a good kid and having a lot of family that's that close, that in itself is worth at all. Yeah, I don't look, I don't deny the work.

Starting point is 00:39:49 There's a lot of work that goes into it. There's a lot of noise, chaos, stimulation. You don't have space necessarily to go kind of gather yourself or whatever. I get all that, I do. I just grew up in it. So I'm, can be more tolerant, I guess I guess maybe the right word or or I don't know I know there was one moment where I was sitting there and I was just the whole time

Starting point is 00:40:11 I was feeling extreme gratitude the whole time and I'm looking around at one point my Uncle's doing the prayer before we eat and I'm looking in the room and there's the garage is packed and there's people in the hallways And everybody fits in the garage, right? And I'm looking back and forth and I'm thinking, if I were on my deathbed, these were the people that would probably be sitting next to me, what, you know, as I, you know, slipped off or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So it was just, it was a lot of gratitude.

Starting point is 00:40:36 It really is. And, you know, I think it's, it's, but I do get it, I get it. It's over stimulating because, look, there was a, when I went to Arkansas to visit Jessica's family, we had to stay in those, what were they called? They're like mobile units or whatever, they parked them out there. I'm, we, when I was humid, there's mosquitoes everywhere, there's pets everywhere. That's totally overstimulation for me. That's

Starting point is 00:41:02 told, I wasn't comfortable. I could, I knew I could feel it. Like, oh, this is anxiety inducing. So I mean, I get it. And I appreciate us doing it. But there's compromise. In other words, maybe not every holiday. Maybe there's some holidays where we have the client. You know, when we just spend the time just with us, we do something small.

Starting point is 00:41:20 And then the other ones where we have, you know. Yeah, were you in here when I don't know if you heard, I was talking to Doug, I think so, I think you overheard of, so this was the year I brought up that I'm going to disrupt the tradition a little bit and change things with Max. And it didn't bother me until last year, in last year was a little crazy. We had I think 25 or 30 people opening presents. There was a fire.

Starting point is 00:41:43 The house almost burnt down. We had to move the Christmas from one party to the other and one house to the house. Yeah, right. You know, and my son's at three, right, at that point, right, he's three years old. He's now into presents and stuff like that. And it was just, and we fit in Katrina's mom's house,

Starting point is 00:41:57 which is 2,000 square feet, 30 people, plus 400 Christmas presents, right, all in one little living room, right? And when you have that many people with that many presents, right, all in one little living room, right? And when you have that many people with that many presents, uh, and most all are adults, but two kids, it's like this, like, you know, system, you know, busing through, there's wrapping paper everywhere. I know exactly what that's like. Yeah, yeah, of course, right?

Starting point is 00:42:16 So you get it. And go, no, you go. I, yeah, and I'm like, man, I got, and I don't know, maybe because I just had this weird vision when I was a younger, when I was younger way before I ever had a kid or he settled down, that I wanted to surprise my son with the Santa gift and wait downstairs till he came down. Yeah, watch, see, videotape it from behind the couch

Starting point is 00:42:35 and see him see his bike for the first time. And oh my God, and then capture that moment, let him ride it, put it together with him. So I kind of always had that in my mind. And like, as I started to watch the way how this family does everything, I was like, oh wow, I'm not gonna get that. And I'm like, man, that's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:42:52 And I remember I first started communicating with the Katrina, and there was like, that was like blasphemy, dude, to break that kind of tradition of how we do things. And over time, she's starting to understand that part and that, like, man, there's got to be compromise because it's not fair for her to rob that completely of me. And I'm like, I'm not saying we won't do that still, but I want to be able to have that moment.

Starting point is 00:43:13 So Katrina thought she was gonna try and get the whole family to like agree to like changing the tradition so that she didn't have to really fully compromise. Yeah, everyone do. Yeah, yeah, right? And so it was like, bro, it was literally, and have to really fully compromise. Yeah, everyone do. Yeah, yeah. Right. And so it was like, bro, it was literally, I felt like I insulted everybody by saying, like, listen,

Starting point is 00:43:30 it was just too much, man, I said, and I told them, I think just like I just told you guys, I desire that. And so I want that moment with my son, and then we'll come over and we'll come do everything with you guys. And so this come this year will be like the first time that Katrina and I will do like an intimate, just me, her and Max will open presents

Starting point is 00:43:50 that we got each other, and then we'll go do the whole family thing. And you could see, like, have to family understood, like have the family have other married people. Like Jerry, yeah, Jerry has a husband who doesn't, who's like me, you know what I'm saying? So she like totally, Jerry gets it, you know what I'm saying? And then Katrina's mom totally gets it

Starting point is 00:44:08 because her husband was like that too. But then the other siblings are like, you could just see the look on their face. It's like I literally just offended everybody. So I said to, I don't wanna do it though. And they're like explaining to me that their kids, our kids grew up this way, you know? And they're fine, look at them.

Starting point is 00:44:24 You know, like, okay, great. Don't get caught in that art. Can I just give you a piece of advice? Yeah. Don't get caught up in that conversation. You can't. Your kids are fine. Then you do the whole line. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:44:33 Cause John. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, totally. It's crazy alcohol. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm just fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't want to get in that, in that conversation.

Starting point is 00:44:42 Yeah. But I mean, it's so funny. You hear so like, I know my, my, it's just, it's just, it's just, yeah, you don't want to get in that in that conversation. Yeah, I mean, it's so funny. You hear so like I know my It's just it's just it's just look if you grow up a particular way, I think you get used to certain things and they just you just become Either tolerant of it or it doesn't affect you as much like I remember going to Sicily at the age of 12 before that I was two when I went there so I 12 I went there and It was such a it was such a, it was such a assault on the senses to go there.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Like we go to my dad's town, my dad's family's not well off at all. So we're like in the middle of like, you know, the city that, you know, kind of whatever. And there's cars honking everywhere and people are yelling. Everyone's on top of each other and every house. We go to this aunt's house and we're just stacked on top of each other and every house, we go to this aunt's house, and we're just stacked on top of each other

Starting point is 00:45:28 and just cigarettes, people are smoking them and drinking, and in the morning, there's cars that drive through the neighborhood, that honk can tell you to get your bread and get your fish, it's at 6 a.m., it's, you know, the windows are open because there's no AC and you hear the neighbor across the street snoring, because the sound, and I was like, I 12 years old I was like this is crazy I can't do this right yeah and my dad is like yikes at the most piece he's ever you know he's like so like oh yeah

Starting point is 00:45:54 it's my childhood this is really like wait yeah oh he was so relaxed and I was just like oh my god what's wrong with this so fun yeah so but I can is too much. That's so funny. I can't do this. Hey, speaking of too much, who was it? Was it you, Sal? Who was talking about the prices for Black Friday and stuff like that? Like some of the, oh yeah, there's a lot of viral stuff going around where people are going to like big department stores and they're like, Black Friday sale and they'll reach behind the tag and pull the tag out behind it.

Starting point is 00:46:20 And it was like the same price. I saw that like, Courtney showed me, actually like one of those deals, and then you did the math, and it literally just like took away the tax and like the shipping, and then like had the same exact price that it was like normally like retail.

Starting point is 00:46:38 And I'm like, okay. I didn't realize that. There's a viral video, a McDonald's viral video. Maybe that could find it where a guy buys a meal and it's $16 at McDonald's Wow and people are like up and arms. Did you hear Andrew? He went to Costco and saw the Ori and Yes, they're at Costco and at first he saw the price and he's like, oh, I didn't think it was that much of a deal Then he went on the website and realized oh wow their prices had gone up from what it was before.

Starting point is 00:47:08 And then he went back to go completely sold out. They sold out all the, all the veering, right? You said it was the Meta joggers you were looking for over there? Yeah, the Meta jogger pants. Those are my, those are my favorite ones. Wow. And I was there, like you said, I wanted them, but I was like, ah, maybe not now, come back for them.

Starting point is 00:47:23 And then I double checked to see this price online, they went up, so I went back to check literally the next day and they were sold out. And there was hundreds of them. Wow. Speaking of Yuri, so you know, every year I do the day after Thanksgiving workout, with like my cousins, that's the best.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Yeah, we did it at my house. Yeah. So we did it at my house in the garage, and you know, we're having a great, great time, great discussion, as usual, great workout. A a lot of father talk which was kind of cool. And we talk about like you know inevitably there's always like some business idea that comes up right. I don't remember what the business was.

Starting point is 00:47:55 The reason why viewer reminds me of this is because my cousins were debating over the name of the fictional business that they would build and why one name is better than the other and I was explaining to them, like, guys, the name of your business plays almost zero role. This is the very bottom of the network. In your success. Now, you can make a name so bad that it crushes your business.

Starting point is 00:48:15 Sure, sure. But aside from that, it makes no, and then I use Viori as an example. I was like, what does Viori mean? Yeah, and look at that. Like, Viori, who does Viori mean? Yeah, well, it's even mean, like, it's hard to say, it's hard to spell. Yeah, I mean, it works. I mean, who knows what, yeah. It was even mean, like, it's hard to say, it's hard to spell.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah. I mean, almost every brand, I mean, Pepsi and Coke. Yeah, nobody can think about it with that Kleenex. I mean, these are things that like are now, they're iconic brands, but they met nothing before they were, before they were a thing. The name of your business means almost nothing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:40 You know, I remember wearing that as an entrepreneur. What does that say, Doug, about the McDonald's thing? Yeah, so, uh, $16 McDonald's meal leaves fans fuming, beloved fast food chain no longer affordable. What did he buy for 16 bucks? So yeah, so it's a big Mac, let me see where that is, yeah, burger, a large fry and a drink.

Starting point is 00:49:00 16 bucks? Yep. What? I don't understand, is that all I've noticed that with your balls too? Is that on the value meal? Like they're all, I've been spending a long time so I went to McDonald's, but aren't they all like 499, 599, 699 or something?

Starting point is 00:49:13 They used to be. I don't know now. Wow. Haven't been there forever, so I don't know. I mean, that's what's a big Mac is a number one, right? That's a number one, right? I would think so. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:49:23 Oh, I can, oh see if you can remember. Number one is the big Mac meal. I think the number four is number two. Number four is number four. Number four's a number one, right? I would think so. I don't know. You don't know. Oh, I can, oh, see if you can remember. Number one is the big Mac. I think the number four is double quarter pound or cheese. Number four is a quarter pound. Yeah, yeah. Number two is the, I like the, the number two, the two double cheeseburgers or the two cheeseburgers.

Starting point is 00:49:35 Oh, Andrew, I feel like you should know this. I get the chicken nuggets there. You don't know. You don't, I literally have everything else. I'll just have a 20 piece chicken big nugget. Yeah, I'm proud. Lots of barbecue. I'll take it and handle it. You don't know. You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you It used to be like cheap 299 3949 4959 that I remember 99 cent cheeseburgers. No, do you remember do you remember Wednesdays and Sundays?

Starting point is 00:50:08 What was that 29 cents and 29 cents and 39. Yeah, hamburgers were 29 cents and cheeseburgers were 39 cents on Wednesdays and Sundays. I remember well 50 cent night at the boardwalk, you get like burgers and hot dogs and corn dogs. There's no way they can do that now. So McDonald's and Chipotle to raise prices in California. And Chipotle was raising their prices. As minimum wage increases, that's how they're going to justify it. Well, I mean, that's just that's.

Starting point is 00:50:38 Just that. No, it's not mean. It's like, well, I remember I told you guys I have a client who owns like nine of these McDonald's and They're gonna go all AI. They're all gonna be automated. I should the franchise owners have like really slim margins They don't have big margins not at all fast food is tiny margins and every she's like every time they do minimum wage I tell it's like it completely eats into the franchise and they and they and McDonald's is when it makes out on all that right Because they're not only they making their little franchise fee and the little bit of that

Starting point is 00:51:04 I forget what top line they make, but then they're really a real estate company. So they're paying down properties while also making a revenue stream. Dude, that 20 now, I remember now that 29, you know what I mean, in that sense, that was... Wednesdays and Sundays. That was a bulking door.

Starting point is 00:51:20 You're like kid. High school, I was mean. That was a bulking dream. In high school, I live off. Can I go buy tan a little? I live off of that. Did you? In high school, I was like a that was a bulking dream in high school. I go by 10 I live out lived off of that did you? Uh-huh in high school. I was like a go to every Wednesday I'll have a minute issues now Yeah, because of that I go feel like the colossus burger. What is that right there Doug? So this was apparently out of Restop that had a McDonald's but big Mac meal $70.59 quarter pounder meal

Starting point is 00:51:43 1799 that used to be a big ass gourmet burger at a restaurant. And now that's McDonald's. Wow. Wow. I mean, I know I'm paying like, I doored Ash food a lot and I know I pay extra because of that, but I've been talking to Trinon. Like this is like, if there's one thing I want to solve

Starting point is 00:51:58 this next coming year, it's like eliminating this because the meals for my family of three is like 80 to 100 dollars. Easy. Yeah. Easy. For fast food. I got four kids, bro. So you just, yeah. I'm sure you're a couple of. If Dordash is, if Dordash is going up in value in the stock market, it's probably because of me. It's three. And I think I, I only pay like a three buck fee. So it can't be all Dordash that I'm getting crushed by more than that. There's a delivery fee plus that I pay the membership. So I already by it. There's more than that. There's a delivery fee plus that. I don't know if it's a- Why pay the membership? So I already have the-

Starting point is 00:52:27 So do I. Oh okay, sure. But I think that you still pay more than just- You- You must, because it doesn't make sense to me. I'm like, unless everybody has just gone up significantly. By the way, can I tell you guys- you know what they do? By the way, if you- I don't know if you've noticed this.

Starting point is 00:52:40 Areas where there's lots of like small restaurants like those centers with lots of little restaurants. Really double up. No, there's people parked there. And like those centers with lots of little restaurants. They double up. No, there's people parked there. And that's all they do. Oh, just wait. They literally just wait with their phones. And I saw them the other day.

Starting point is 00:52:53 And then they double up. So did you notice that DoorDash has the option for express for an extra two nights? Which means you don't get, you don't get, so deliveries on yours. Yes, right. Otherwise, almost every one now, if you don't pay for that $299 extra express Express then you're getting to have to wait because yours is probably your your orders coming with another order Can I just say that the most the the one thing that will almost set me off to the point where I want to punch Some of the face is when I get a door dash delivery. That's wrong That has to be the most annoying thing in the world

Starting point is 00:53:19 Cuz you're waiting in your hungry and then you get it and you're like oh great. Yeah, got all the stuff I didn't want. I can't eat this. Oh boy, that happened to me. Well, I imagine that happens to you quite a bit because I know you have special orders. And so that's not like ordering online or ordering like a takeout type of stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:53:36 And it's never good for like somebody who has like, I don't want this, I need that because they're just, I want to hear about Justin's injury. So what happened to you, what happened to you, dude? I heard you pulled your bontress, something like that. I came in, I saw Kyle, I was like, hey, were you working with, were you,

Starting point is 00:53:53 what just, you guys hear about? I came in and saw Kyle. I came in and saw Kyle. And I saw that he had posted you in the story. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, dude, did you work with Justin this weekend? He goes, yeah, yeah, I know. I said, oh, I didn't know. He's like, I know, I'm tired.

Starting point is 00:54:06 He's like, I had, I had to, I had to sub inform him. Just so Justin couldn't handle the workout. That's why that was my first thought. He goes, no, dude. He heard his hamstring. I was like, why do you pull the hammy? Do it. What are you doing? This is the first time, bro. Okay. So, I mean, we're doing a shoot for a creator. Content., you know, I'm not gonna reveal exactly what it is yet, but So I'm doing like sprints and everything and I'm like dude, okay, I just don't run like okay And hanging out with you guys doesn't help right like sitting in these seats all the time and like I've you know No key just blamed us for just that. I just did blame you. Take that for what it is.

Starting point is 00:54:48 But yeah, and I don't move fast anymore. And so it was like, I was prepping myself. I started getting back into moitime, like trying to get a condition, because I knew I was gonna have to like, at least move explosively and like do all this stuff. Well, that didn't really translate well to sprinting on a field.

Starting point is 00:55:03 But really, what did it for me was like, I was doing, like, I was backpedaling, and then I went to, like, kind of twist and rotate and tend to a sprint, and my hamstring just cramped up so hard, just like, literally, like, I started just immediately, like, gimpin' around, like like I had a hitch in my gate. So I was trying to work through it and muscle my way through,

Starting point is 00:55:30 like this looks terrible. Did you have Kyle Rubin out for me to make sure? I tried. Did you try and dress Kyle to look as much like Kyle? So it's you. So I was like, okay, look, I got you here, Kyle. You look the closest to me. This is what we're gonna do.

Starting point is 00:55:45 And I had like special shoes and everything I bought for this shoot and I'm like, what's the shoe you got? And I was like, oh, like 11, like 10, like all this is gonna work. I got 11s right here. He's like, you're gonna wear these. You're gonna wear my shorts. You're gonna wear my shirt.

Starting point is 00:56:00 You're gonna be my body double. I only had four more exercises to go. I went through the whole thing. That works. And then had like, you know what your issue is, Justin? Is you don't know how to not go as hard as you can. You just don't. When we used to do YouTube video exercise videos, when you're demoing an exercise, grab a light weight,

Starting point is 00:56:19 show you're good for them. No, Justin's got to load the bar. I don't want people to think I'm lifting weights too light. Okay, I can demo it. So this. So this is shoot number two. That first shoot was in here where I had to do all the exercise with the weights there. And to your point, I was debilitated for three days. Yeah, it's a demo. And it's like four workouts a week is just shooting all the videos. I am very aware of this program. I am very much, I know what's going into that. I did the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:56:50 It's great. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, we got what was cool was I got to shoot a lot of it at my high school in like the field and everything there. And so we have really like the, I guess cinematography background, all that looks really cool. Pro, you have the BPC?

Starting point is 00:57:06 Yes. Did you put it straight in the hamstring? I'm gonna tell you right now, it feels great. Bro, I was like, hey, you're gonna sell me out. I told you that. I told you that. Did you put it straight in the hamstring? Yeah, it's legit.

Starting point is 00:57:17 Yeah, like, cause I was in pain last night. Like, you know how long an injury takes the heel for you, cause you know your body. Yeah, and honestly, like, I don't know, and I'm like, I have like a bit of an ego about it, because I went through like my entire sports career, like with one injury, like one legit injury, and like, that was at the very end, like my senior year, where I like tore my MCL. But even then, I went back the next game and had a knee brace and still plate. And so for me, it's like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:57:46 it just sticks to me. Like I mean, every practice, I was Iron Man every year. You know, and it's just like, like I don't, I don't know. I had this like sort of chip on my shoulder about that kind of, so that really irritated me that I couldn't like finish four exercises. I was like, oh, but I thought it was hilarious

Starting point is 00:58:05 that I could like body double tile in there. So you get an Easter egg this one. And you weren't gonna be so cool as if you could barely tell. You don't think it's because Eli shooted a little different to try. Oh, so good. So like we go to the sprint.

Starting point is 00:58:17 Like so one of them like you do like a track start, right? And so I'm like in the track start like this. I just posed it and then we're like, oh man. I can't wait to watch it out. I'm like in the track start like this, I just posed it and then we were like, I can't wait to watch it out. I'm so glad you guys did the extra effort to kind of make it look as good as this. We leaned into it hard, dude.

Starting point is 00:58:33 Like we're trying to create like a Hollywood movie. We're doing something. Yeah, you're gonna get the camera. Don't turn to the camera as you're running back, you know, make sure you're like, Oh, my brother, when he came to the workout, he had tennis elbow so bad that he's been wearing a brace and he let me put BPC right in it. And it was gone like literally right there.

Starting point is 00:58:49 Oh, right there. He started working out and he's like, oh, I don't feel it. I know. I know. Because I literally was like, and I can't run today, but like I don't have any pain. Like I'm fine. Weird. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:00:12 How can we help you? Hey, guys, first I mean to say this is quite an honor to be able to talk to you guys. I've been following the show for a few years and you've really changed my outlook on fitness and programming, especially especially so thanks for that. You're good. So let's get to my question a little bit of background not too much. I guess I'm 38 years old, 5.11, we're on to 198 pounds of boat now and I've been an early morning riser.

Starting point is 01:00:42 I've been working out about 4.30 in the morning, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, following MAP Santa Ballac. I've done it two times now. I'm just about done phase three for the second time. And I've noticed a lot of strength and muscle gains, but I'm still having an issue with the fat around the midsection. And I remember hearing you guys talk a couple of weeks ago about undulating calories. I was just wondering for someone who works out early in the morning like that, is it better to feed your body the day before with the higher calories

Starting point is 01:01:20 or is it better to feed after your workout on the day of the workout? I don't think it makes that big of a- this is like a splitting hairs type of thing. Individual variance. Yeah, so I mean, you can play with either one, see what seems to feel better for you. But in my experience, it doesn't really make a difference either way. I mean, we've talked about this before about Sal, you like being less fat going into it and you end up, because you're up early. I've talked about that I prefer, Sal, you like being less fat going into it and you're in them because you're up early.

Starting point is 01:01:45 I've talked about that I prefer being loaded up before I go in. So it's really gonna be a personal preference like as far as building muscle or body fat percentage, things like that, it's not gonna make it. It's really about how you feel in the workout and I would play with the two and see what you're doing. Of the things that you're gonna be looking at

Starting point is 01:02:01 to help you with the body fat, that one right there is not, it's probably I wouldn't make the list, right, in terms of what's going to impact, give you the biggest impact for fat loss. When it comes to the fat loss, if you're consistent with your workouts, you're seeing a strength gain, so the workout's appropriate, you know, all the other stuff, you know, checks off, good sleep, that whole deal, then really what you want to do is, you really, you want to track your calories and see where you're actually at, really track them, see where you're at, and then decide if you want

Starting point is 01:02:29 to cut or if you want to reverse diet and get your metabolism up a little more. And that's after you track because your estimations are going to always be off. Nobody ever guesses properly where their calories are at. Yeah, and I did track for a while there, and I kind of figured out my maintenance was around 24 to 2500 calories. I just kind of based that on tracking and then just not really gaining any weight.

Starting point is 01:02:57 So I did try dropping down to like 2200 and I wasn't really noticing anything. So I went down to 2000. Still not really seeing any movement. So I don't know, maybe I'm just, it's hard, I got three kids. So sometimes I may not be sticking exactly to the best eating habits, but I think I'm the best.

Starting point is 01:03:17 Consistency with that's important. And also how long did you stay at the 2000 calories and how consistent was that? So I was at the 2200 for probably a month or so and then I dropped on the 2000 a couple weeks ago and I've been pretty consistent Okay, and are you noticing any changes in your performance? Any changes in where your clothes feel or fit because sometimes you can do a little trade where you build. If you're getting stronger on a deficit like that or what you think might be a deficit, that's a pretty good sign. The other thing too is,

Starting point is 01:03:55 it's really easy to almost erase a deficit by going off a day. Yes, especially when it's only 200 to 500 calories. You figure 200 to 500 calories, and let's get figure you're already off by 100 or so give or take, that's not precise, and then you have a day where you move a little less, and then you have a Saturday where you eat ice cream with the kids, and it's like literally you just erase that deficit in one day. Or it's such a small deficit now that it would take a month to notice and write any type of progress. Okay. or it's such a small deficit now that it would take a month to right? Right. Right. Any type of progress.

Starting point is 01:04:31 So, yeah. Now, now, I forgot your size, you know, 2000 calories, 2500 guys, kind of low, in my opinion. Yeah. How did that, how does it feel leading 2000 cars? You feel hungry? Well, I, I, you know, I said that same thing. I, I thought that was low, but I wasn't seeing any movement. And I guess the guess my other point too, like I have been seeing lots of strength gains and muscle gains. Even at 2000, even at the... My calories don't make sense to me.

Starting point is 01:04:55 Even at 2,200 calories in 2000, you saw strength gains? Well, I'm seeing it, yeah. Like I can't have been pretty consistent workout programming there for me guys. And I have put on weight in the last little bit. If you're getting stronger while trying to cut and you are, you are indeed accurate with your calories. That's a big, that's a big if.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Okay. But if you are indeed accurate and you are getting stronger and your weight's not changing on the scale, you're probably building and losing a little bit at the same time because you wouldn't get, if you get stronger, that's going to point to muscle game. Yeah. Are you, what's your job look like? Are you sedentary or are you moving a lot through the... I work out in natural gas industry, so I'm electrician, so you're pretty visible,

Starting point is 01:05:44 not all everyday, but. So I would be a little concerned about how low calories are. You're a 193 pound, dude. You're up by 4.30 in the morning. You have a physical job. I would think you would be eating a lot more. I would probably want to put you at 25 to 2800 at least and try and go on like a little bulk. Yeah. I just think that that's really low calorie for a guy your size who's working out and has

Starting point is 01:06:14 a physical job and is up by 430 in the morning. I mean that's by the way, a bulk done properly, what I should not properly, a bulk can sometimes make you leaner in the sense that let's say you went up to 27 her calories, okay, and you ended up gaining four pounds of muscle, but you didn't gain any body fat, okay? Your leaner, you now have a lower body fat percentage because it's a smaller percentage. And a faster metabolism. That's right. So that might be where I would go, I would try and get it to where you can maintain even closer to 3000 cars. Agreed.

Starting point is 01:06:48 Okay. And I should, I guess, add at this point in the year I am playing men's league hockey as well. So that probably doesn't help. Dude, for sure, you're not high. I would go higher. Yeah, for sure. A good goal.

Starting point is 01:07:00 I mean, someone as active as you are, you should be up 3500 calories. I mean, that's kind of where you're strength training. You're also playing hockey and you're a physical, you got a physical laborer's job, even though your body's probably adapted to all your work, you're still moving a lot. Like, you can support a lot more calories. So personally, a good goal for you if your client of mine would be,

Starting point is 01:07:20 let's try and keep increasing calories. Let's try and get, you know, 3500 would be like a really good target, but incrementally work your way up there. Start at 20, 2700, give it like two weeks of training there. See how you feel and look. What's going on with strength? So long as you don't look like you're or feel like you're putting on a bunch of body fat, you're not getting weaker at another 200 calories and just keep step flattering that

Starting point is 01:07:42 until you get more like a place like 3500. Then I feel like if you go from 35,500 down to 2,500, you should see yourself lean out pretty fast if we did that right. Okay, cool. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Oh, thank you guys. You got it. With this seems to me like, just because I've been doing this for what?

Starting point is 01:08:03 It seems like he's not tracking right? seems like he's not tracking, right? Yeah, and he's not accurate, right? He's like tracking sometimes and eyeballing it. And that's, that has really common, super common. I would get people like this all the time. And then we really nailed down the tracking and they were just off. They were off by, you know, a few hundred calories.

Starting point is 01:08:21 It's easy to do while they don't throw out the whole day. And next thing you know, you're averaging a deficit of 50 calories. Well, now it's gonna take you seven months to see any fat loss. It could also be a combination of tracking accurately when you're good, and then that's so good. That's right.

Starting point is 01:08:35 So it's like, maybe he is around 24, 12500 when he's tracking, he's watching on a fuel day. Yeah, then he has Saturday with the kids and kind of eats off and is like, oh yeah, that wasn't great. But then that one day is over a thousand calorie surplus. And so it's canceling up. Yeah, well the way a lot of people will track

Starting point is 01:08:51 is they'll track for a few days. They'll say, oh no, I have a good idea. I pretty much eat like that all the time. And then that's their new number, which is, no, you got to track every single day if you want, something accurate. Our next caller is Stephen from Australia. Stephen, what's happening?

Starting point is 01:09:05 How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? It's good. Awesome to be here. I'm a huge fan. Thanks so much for having me. All right. I've been listening to you guys for about five years.

Starting point is 01:09:18 You guys definitely changed my life with fitness. Like I would still be that guy running on a treadmill trying to lose weight if it wasn't for you guys. So thank you. So my question, I suppose the easiest way to put it is, I have a butt problem. We all do. Let's just stop right there. Justin, Justin's your guy. I know all the buttons. So I just finished Maps aesthetic. I had a blast doing it. One of the problems though, I seem to be having even though I've had a lot of improvements in my mobility and stuff is I still have a pelvic tilt.

Starting point is 01:09:58 So the one where it makes your butt looks like it sticks out really well. And I have no idea how I fixed that. I had a couple injuries in the past lifting. Pretty sure it was due to bad form and ego lifting. It was definitely to my back. So I had to spend a lot of time working on some, you know, my hip mobility with 90-90s and stuff really finally starting to feel good with it, but still can't quite fix this tilt. All right, well, good question. So this actually brings up a good conversation because, you know, when you're looking at what would be referred to as posture deviations, they are not be all end all. They're really just clues and direction. Okay, you all you have to add that on top of other things to really get a good idea of what may be going on or maybe nothing's going on. So in anterior pelvic tilt, by itself, with no pain, if you have good

Starting point is 01:10:57 strength, good stability, good control, no problems, it's probably not an issue. Now, if you're also noticing back pain, if you're noticing hip pain or anything like that, and then you also have an anterior pelvic tilt, well, that starts to point us in a direction of, maybe what muscles to look at and to test and to see if there's some stability or strength issues. But unless you have like pain and stuff right now,

Starting point is 01:11:22 when you're deadlifting and squatting and overhead pressing and stuff like that, if you don deadlifting and squatting and overhead pressing stuff like that, if you don't have those issues or lots of low back pain when you walk or whatever, it's probably not an issue. So that's the question I have for you. Do you noticing any of these problems? Do you have like lower back pain quite substantially? I don't have substantial pain. I definitely noticed it feeling tight when I get into a lot of lifts.

Starting point is 01:11:44 Like I got to do a lot of stretching and stuff beforehand when I go in to do my squats and stuff. I definitely feel it tight. I don't know if I feel it right now to the point where I feel a lot of pain though. Okay. What we would try to do is offset that position with muscles that pull you in the other direction just to offer a little bit more balance. So really good core exercises that don't involve the hip flexors are good for this. So like hip flexor deactivator crunches, we actually have a video on YouTube.

Starting point is 01:12:17 Yeah, I see that one. So I would do something like that maybe three days a week and really work on strengthening the core independent of the hip flexors because in an anterior pelvic tilt, you often see, not always, but we often see our overactive, what it would refer to as overactive hip flexors. And a communication between the core,

Starting point is 01:12:41 the abs and the obliques and the hip flexors, that's not necessarily ideal. I like running a cycle of hip thrust here too. So like if you're doing core training like Sal saying and maybe I sub out my squats for a while and I replace them with hip thrust, I think that'll help too. So, but the real key is, and the point that boys made is

Starting point is 01:13:02 that if we're not dealing with a lot of issue like pain and stuff like that And you have a strong core you squat you deadlift You're probably okay, but if you do notice your low back gets achy and you know that you don't really address the core that much Okay, there's definitely room for us to improve and address that But I also if you're not I wouldn't be stressing too much about it Yeah, cuz even in the kinetic chain, you might find the ankles, you know, could be a contributor to this and the stiffness in your lower back. So really, it's sometimes it's obvious and it's like, well, I feel this pain direct result of me having this kind

Starting point is 01:13:38 of anterior pelvic tilt, but you know, it sometimes could be a little more elusive than that. It could be just the way your body's compensating from the ground up. So to just keep with your mobility practices and to see kind of like test your way through that, I think strengthening your core obviously is going to help regardless of that, just to create that kind of bracing effect that you want. So when you're doing anything loaded, you know, you got that extra bit of support. So working your way through that and really like, you know, if you're doing floor bridges, you're doing hip, hip bridges in any sense of it, like making sure like the first thing you do is like correct that tilt and you can get that flat back and get your core engaged. And then from there,

Starting point is 01:14:22 you know, just keep honing in on that recruitment process. What core exercises do you do? What app exercises do you do? Most often. Right now it's just like the decline setups and I can't do the full leg raises. I go to the knee raises right now and then don't, yeah, that's most of the ones. Oh, cool. I was right then. There's a lot of room here. Those are two exercises that require a lot of hip flexor

Starting point is 01:14:53 activation, at the very least as very, very strong stabilizers. At most, they become your prime moveers. I would imagine if I saw you do a leg raise, it's probably a hip flexor leg raise because of what you're talking about. So hip flexor de-activator crunches, physio ball crunches done properly, and- Plank,

Starting point is 01:15:12 active planks like you do. Yes, and active planks done properly. We all have, we have videos for all of those. All those, yeah, I would not do any more declines setups or leg raises in your core exercises. Yeah, and actually it's just cool because, I mean, if you were telling me, you had lots of pain now, then it would take a lot longer. But based on what you're saying, honestly, after a couple

Starting point is 01:15:31 of weeks, you should notice that it should be a difference. There's a sure of doing that. That'd be sweet. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. You got it. Are you running any of our programs right now? What are you running right now?

Starting point is 01:15:42 So, like I said, I just finished the aesthetic. I'm not running anything right now? What are you running right now? So like I said, I just finished the aesthetic. I'm not running anything right now. Mostly from the fact that I know that my gym time's a little limited. My wife and I just had our baby girl yesterday. Whoa. I wonder you're so happy. This guy is really happy. So my gym time's going to be a little limited for a few weeks, but 15, that's 15, bro. We're going to send you massive team. That's the new dad program right there Sweet, thank you, man. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you so much guys. Thank you so much for having me He's got damn he was happy. Oh, I'm like happy as dude. I've ever seen He's just had a baby. Yeah, that's

Starting point is 01:16:23 Yeah, I was gonna say, some of his Instagram pictures might decline a bit in terms of his posture, selling it, but yeah, it'd be good to address it. No, it was good you guys went the morphology route first because I know there's, there's like two, I feel like there's extremes in our space as there is in almost everything. It's either your pro, corrective exercise,

Starting point is 01:16:45 and everything that's gonna kill you, and everything you do is bad and wrong, and we need to fix it, and there's that extreme. And then there's the other camp where it's just like, you know, there's nothing you can do. This is how the way your body is. And it's like, well, no, well, that gives us a sign that okay, there is, there is, could be an imbalance here.

Starting point is 01:17:02 You have an anterior pelvic, but if you squat, you deadlift, you do all these movements, and you don't have any issues, then, I mean, there is, could be an imbalance here. You have an anterior pelvic, but if you squat, you deadlift, you do all these movements and you don't have any issues, then I mean, I did. So I used to have to, I had such a bad anterior pelvic tilt that by set three of squats, I would be laying on my back on the floor because my low back was free. So obviously, and that's what, that's what,

Starting point is 01:17:22 okay, there's something there. Once I worked on the ankle and hip mobility Got to a place where I could get into full range of deep good controlled squats What it did for my core my hip strength is stability eliminated the low back pain completely never came back Our next color is Matt from Texas Matt. What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey? What's going on? How you doing? What's that? Thanks for asking Texas Matt, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on? How you doing? What's up? Thanks for asking. First of all, I just want to say that I appreciate everything you guys do, the wealth information you guys provide.

Starting point is 01:17:52 I recommend your podcast to everyone who is even has like a slight interest in fitness, saying the altum is so much in just the single year that I've been listening. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah. Of course. So I'll just launch into things a I've been listening. Thank you. Appreciate that fee. Yeah, of course. So I'll just launch into things, a little background on me and I'll get to my question. I am 41 years old. I'm 5 foot 11, 185-ish and I float somewhere

Starting point is 01:18:14 between 15 and 18% body fat. I've been lifting since I was in college at 18. It started as a weight loss journey as I left for college at about 325 pounds and I started to lose weight immediately without all the food from my childhood home in my dorm pantry. I got into the gym with some friends who encouraged me to go with them after a holiday break and I've been addicted to lifting ever since. So over those 23 years I've run a handful of programs.

Starting point is 01:18:39 I don't need to go through all of them, but I've done cardio in conjunction with all of those, usually 15 to 30 minutes, either the start or the end of my workouts. I've seen strength gains using all those programs. I feel like I'm in a great spot physically. I'm also trying to hit 170 grams of protein per day. I'm taking creatin, BCA powder, and I've asked what's gone to supplements, but I'm not really tracking my calories since it's in the past. It's led me to some disordered eating habits when I'm not really tracking my calories since it's in the past. It's led me to some disorder eating habits when I'm cutting. So hitting the protein goal has just like drastically

Starting point is 01:19:10 improved my mental health because I'm a lot of you basically anything that contributes to my protein goals that day, at least you're pretty stated. An educated guest though put me around 2700 to 3000 calories per day. I'm currently running maps in a ball at them in phase three week three. I don't have any reason to stop that since I'm still seeing string cranes. I also have a Peloton bike. Hope it's cool to use that name brand. That's my last form of competitive sport. I allow myself to do I tend to do 30 minutes per day on that with some longer 60-minute sessions on the weekend in conjunction with trigger sessions. I know it sounds like

Starting point is 01:19:45 overtraining, but I have significantly cut back the amount of cardio and listing that I do from five days per week just to two to three times per week. I'm sorry, with trigger sessions and my daily cardio went from 60 minutes to about 30 minutes a day. Okay, so that's a pretty clear picture of what you're dealing with. My question is that I've been lifting so long and I've dedicated the past two years to really adding muscle to my legs. I've been squatting heavy for me, hip thrusting, and have done bi-weight leg circuits. They include various forms of squats and lunges. Also, I like to take spin classes that are specifically built around strength, such as

Starting point is 01:20:21 climb rides or hit and hills rides that are mimicking going uphill for a long duration or just sprinting up hills for bursts. What I haven't been able to do though is give my squat above 275 pounds and every time I get to that range I can get the bar up one time but if I tap on anything additional after that it's a failure. So I'll get up, like let's say I'll go all the way down, I'll get up about third of the way and I have to bail on the lift. From there I'll take a few days off and get back to training, but I've still never been able to get past that mark after a lifting for however many years. So for comparison, I was able to get my deadlift to 350 pounds, bench to 255, overhead press to 185, and I don't max bench or overhead pressing more due to labral tears, but those numbers

Starting point is 01:21:01 were always good enough for me. So anyway, my guess is that this is just a mental block and a physical one. However, I would like to hear your suggestions on ways to bust through a plateau on a specific lift. And I am trying to incorporate some novel stimulus and dial back my cardio as a starting point. I have a theory.

Starting point is 01:21:19 I think that your legs are pretty endurance trained. And I think cutting back even more on the Peloton and the rides like that and purely focusing on getting. Doing some ones. Yep. And you can do in adding some singles, doubles, and triples in my training or following like a MAP's power lift type of protocol,

Starting point is 01:21:38 you'll watch that squawk. That's my speculation. I bet if you cut the circuit out and the Peloton riding out you'll you're old just gonna get stronger just by doing that But both of those are not contributing to your leg strength. They're both taking away from Which is okay if that's what you like like here's a deal I want people listening to understand this. There's nothing wrong with doing all that if you're okay with a mix bag of results But if you want specifically to get your squat above 275,

Starting point is 01:22:06 the hill rides and the legs circuits are not only not helping, they're taking away from your strength gains. So I would just cut them out. In fact, I bet if you just cut them out, and just follow and just strength trained like you are, I bet you'll see it go above 275. But what Sal said is so important for the audience to understand that I think you're doing a I think we all agree

Starting point is 01:22:29 You're doing a great job right now, and you're probably really and you're in a healthy place your healthy place body Fabric image you're relatively strong. You got good some cardiovascular endurance But you're asking a specific exactly, but you're asking I want my squad to go up Why is it not going up and I think we all agreed that if you were there is not the limiting factor like you know to be able to do more anaerobic just Pacific strength focused activity. That's that's really where you get the most total assess It's as simple as that. I can do that. Yeah, I appreciate it. I'll help you got it man And listen if you don't have mass power, lift it, send that to you.

Starting point is 01:23:05 Yeah, that's a good program for you. And then the other thing is, I do. OK, we'll send that to you. And follow up with us in what's your squat right now? What's your one right max? One right max. Oh, one right max. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:23:17 But the last time I max was 275, I'm wrapping 4 to 6 times 2.25. So it's probably going to be still. I wouldn't be surprised if in thirty days in thirty days you you broke yeah you broke two seventy five so I would love for you to email us back in thirty days let us know what happens yeah yeah especially if you follow power lift yeah yeah I'll do it all right Matt thanks for calling in man crush it

Starting point is 01:23:43 thanks I'll pick it. You got it. Yeah, so it even row, and this is good, because I'll read, maybe Doug, you could scroll down a little bit, because I want to read a lot of information for a very simple answer. Yeah, but you know what, though, because he gave us all that information, to me, I felt like I knew right away. I was just like, oh, he's doing a bunch of endurance stuff for his life. Yeah, so I want to be clear.

Starting point is 01:24:04 It says, this is what says in the question, I also like to take spin classes that specifically are built around strength such as climb rides or hit hill rides that mimic going up a hill for a long duration. It is not strength. Yeah, if you're doing long durations, no, we crossed over.

Starting point is 01:24:24 Strength training with us bike would literally be a 15 second high rate by the 15 seconds max. And even then, if you're doing it in conjunction with a already great straight training program, they need to have the rest. That's right, substantially. That's right.

Starting point is 01:24:41 And to make it clear to the audience again, it's just, we're not telling this guy that he should just stop doing cardio, but it's not good for you, because I know that's what with you. That's right. And to make it clear to the audience again, it's just, we're not telling this guy that he should just stop doing cardio, it's not good for you, because I know that's what people think. That is it's like, you ask a specific question, I wanna get my squad up.

Starting point is 01:24:53 This is not helping that. And if we get away from that, I will. If you ask me, I wanna be healthy, you're doing a great job. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do it, but you gotta understand that you're gonna give up a little bit if you want to do all these other things and you want to be very specific about it.

Starting point is 01:25:07 By the way, you know, if you look at the top cyclist, sprint cyclist, they have massive legs. So you might be thinking, I thought you said that's not muscle building. If you, first off, there's a, there's a self selection bias. These are genetically gifted monsters whose legs will build almost with nothing. That's what makes them good at it. And if you took them off of the sprint cycling and just had them lift, their massive legs would look even more massive.

Starting point is 01:25:31 Absolutely. Yeah. Our next color is Rachel with Christina. Oh, all right. Yeah. For people who don't know, we had Rachel on the show a while ago. Yes. At the end of that conversation with you, we figured, man,

Starting point is 01:25:45 she would be, this would be so good if we could set her up with a really good online coach. And the first person we thought of was Christina. So you guys have been working together for a little bit now, right? Yeah. All right. How's it going? About our months now. Four months. All right. How's it going? What's going on? Give us an update. Who do you want to talk to first? You're the star of this. So you go ahead. I'm no star. You're the star here. Tell us what's going on, Rachel. Okay. So I want to go back to why I called you guys, right? I had originally, it was a

Starting point is 01:26:20 fitness-related question because I had developed a fitness routine that I used as a coping mechanism throughout, you know, tough times in my life and it wasn't serving me anymore and I was confused and didn't know how to, you know, move forward. And so you guys are the fitness moguls and so I called you. You very graciously sent me up with Christina and I'll be honest, like I thought,

Starting point is 01:26:48 all right, she's gonna give me a diet, she's gonna give me a workout plan and every day she's gonna want me to log what I eat and you know, great, right? But it was free, right? And so, hey, I'm a Jew. So. So.

Starting point is 01:27:03 So. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, very good, Jillis. So, okay. When we started the program, you know, originally she had explained the concept of, we called it, you know, we kind of termed it the mold. And I want her to explain this because she does a great job.

Starting point is 01:27:23 But she taught me that I've got so many voices going on in my head and so many thoughts. Most of the thoughts are not me. Most of the thoughts are from my past and I'm conditioned to think that way. And I guess, you know, it's considered ego or whatnot. And then there are true authentic thoughts that we all feel. And at the time, I was conflicted because I knew I felt something authentically, right? I knew that this wasn't serving me. I wanted control of my life. And I felt that I couldn't, right? It was, I know that I was able to do hard work and I was able to get through hard things and I couldn't understand why I couldn't do this.

Starting point is 01:28:08 Right. We discussed the why. Why do I want to do this? The why essentially was I want to control my life. And we started the work. And the work, I'll be honest with you, it sucked. It wasn't easy, right? It's, there were so many times that I called Christina and I'm, you know, I'm crying. I'm on the floor in my garage and, you know, I was so, it was a real breakthrough for me. Like it really, really was. But, sorry, I'm going to get emotional right now. I think what I was experiencing, you know, when I went through my divorce was that this is hard work that came to me. And at that point, I wasn't able to run from it anymore and I had to make a change.

Starting point is 01:29:07 Right. And this was something that it wasn't bad enough where I knew I needed to make a change, but I didn't want anything else controlling me. Right. And so what Christina gave me was number one identifying what was going on. The tools to kind of go through it, right? Understanding, all right, this isn't me, right? This is the mold talking and really processing, what's the mold? What's me? So over the course of three months, I feel like I become so good at identifying who's talking, right?

Starting point is 01:29:46 If it's the mold, I know how to talk back to it now. I have the tools to be able to process, you know, what I'm feeling instead of turning to exercise immediately because that's, you know, that was my vice. But I mean, more so than that, like there are so many things in my personal life that immediately, like upon identifying, hey, that's the mold, right? I was able to make a change like right away, instead of waiting the months and the years. It's like yesterday I made a really big change in my life that if I didn't do that, I would be staying in a situation that would probably cost 10, 15, 20 years of my life

Starting point is 01:30:30 that I feel like I got back. And so what she's done, and I mean, she's gonna be working with me probably for the rest of my life, I'm sorry, Christina, but you're stuck with me. I mean, the work is incredible. It taught me number one that just because something is uncomfortable and you don't want to go through it doesn't mean that it's wrong.

Starting point is 01:30:57 It kind of means that you probably should. We run from uncomfortable feelings because we don't want to feel that, right? We want to turn to whatever is certainty for us, whatever provides like safety and security and even though working out for me did provide that, you know, it was maybe in a moment, but it started turning into something that like no longer was serving me, it was controlling me, right? So I've become good at talking back to it. I've become resolute in this is my life and I'm going to make choices and my own choices.

Starting point is 01:31:33 And I also feel like I am never, ever going to let anybody pass parents, siblings, teachers, lifestyle experiences, addictions. None of that's ever going to control me again. The moment that I was able to identify what was my past controlling me and not serving me and what is an authentic choice that I'm making is when I was able to take control of my life. Like my authentic life started it. June, it down June 14 June 14 2023 I'm 36 years old and I feel like I have a shot of the second chance in life. Wow. Wow that's great. Christina if it's okay if you don't mind me asking a few questions and I know it's okay

Starting point is 01:32:19 so you can come out here but you know from our, when we had Rachel on asking us questions, it became clear to us that she had developed a really abusive relationship with exercise, which a lot of people who are fitness fanatics have experience with, where the exercise becomes like a drug and it starts to harm you and it starts to add to the quality of your life, starts to take away from the quality of life. Were we accurate with that? And so what were the things, because she said it was hard, what were the things that you did were identified with Rachel that helped you guys move forward?

Starting point is 01:32:56 What does this look like as a coach for someone like you? What would you do with her? Yeah. Well, first and foremost, you guys were spot on I think you know in the conversation there was this kind of light bulb moment of wait a minute we're giving her the advice that we normally would but now as she continues to talk we're seeing that this relationship with exercise is one that's not healthy for her and I remember in the conversation too you know

Starting point is 01:33:23 there was kind of that do we pull her out of it completely? Do we titrate her down from it? And so when we began to work together, it was very clear to me that Rachel was, I do these workouts because it's the only thing in my day that gives me that rush. It gives me a sense of something. Because throughout her life, everything's been decided for her. She has not had an opportunity to share her wants and needs, to be seen or heard, whether it was her,

Starting point is 01:34:03 the community that she grew up in and kind of those rigid conform, you know, that conformity that that that community expects to being the eldest in her family and like being a caretaker for her siblings to also her position in the community. Everything was decided for her. She didn't understand how to feel. And so exercise provided that feeling, right? That dopamine hit, those endorphins, everything you guys talk about was that drug. But just like any other drug, every time we get that dopamine hit, we need more and more and more. And I can't take credit for this. I don't take credit for any of this because in, you know, in all reality,

Starting point is 01:34:48 she was the one who did all of this work, right? But I also want to say that when she came to me, she'd already began chipping away at this. And so she was ready for it. So that's for coaches listening or someone who is struggling with this. Like, just realizing like she said, this work is difficult. but if you can make this promise to yourself and trust the process, that's number one for the person coming in. But for me, I needed her to begin to listen to herself. For most of us, we don't have an opportunity to just hear or even think that what is going on

Starting point is 01:35:22 internally is worth it, right? So we set up these little emotional check-ins that she would do throughout the day to just listen and witness her experience inside, right? Because I've never, if I've always been told by everything outside of me of how to sink, fill and do, I probably don't know what's going on. So I need to just sit and witness it as if I'm witnessing a TV show, right? And so that was one of the activities or tasks that we did. Then as I'm witnessing, now I'm aware of this thinking pattern, right? This thinking pattern that is continuing to tell me,

Starting point is 01:35:56 do more, do more, you're not good enough. If you don't, all of the intercredit messages and voices, right? And through that, we did the externalization of saying, okay, I want you to personify. Like, what does that feel that thinking powder feel like to you? If it was standing outside of you, what would it look like? And she says, it looks like mold.

Starting point is 01:36:18 It feels like mold, right? So this externalization, not only helped her start disconnecting this thinking pattern from herself But also it makes it a little bit more tangible to say like oh, this isn't me This is something that I've adapted to or that has been conditioned in my life and just like it's been conditioned I can recondition it my I can relearn it and So then we go into okay, we're where we know when it's like it's been conditioned, I can recondition it, right? I can relearn it. And so then we go into, okay, we're aware, we know when it's happening, now what do we do with it? And this is where the discomfort comes in.

Starting point is 01:36:54 Sometimes we literally just have to sit with discomfort because if we are not getting uncomfortable, we are not creating change, right? And sitting through discomfort also requires tools to help you get on the other side. All of our emotions are transient. They're at the beginning, the middle and end, and we need to kind of ride that wave of the discomfort. And so teaching her skills to sit with herself, and no, I survived, I survived it again. And eventually over time, those big, you know, hills that you would go over,

Starting point is 01:37:29 became smaller and smaller, more tangible and easier for her to witness and experience. And then through that little voice, her authentic self, became louder and louder and louder. So those are some of the techniques that I used with RayJay. No, Kristina, I know that we're highlighting Rachel right now, but in your experience, how common is this with the general population that's using exercise? How common is it and is it like a spectrum of, you know, most all people have it and it's just in some end of that spectrum.

Starting point is 01:38:06 Like how often do you see this in people's behaviors around exercise? I would say 99% of people struggle with this. You know, you guys have been running out of lane smith educational theories. And if we look at that, we look at attachment. And so many of us can see how we had struggles in our upbringing that taught us we're only good enough if we please others if we are perfect or we perform in a certain way if we over achieve or if we're invisible right. So if I'm learning that and then I watch TV I watch media and it says oh but look at this person on, they're fronking on the beach and they're hydroxy-cut commercial, happy and smiling.

Starting point is 01:38:47 And everyone around me is congratulating people because they are looking good or they work out or whatever it is. If I have been conditioned to externally validate, I'm going to turn to exercise and diet and hope to fill that void in my life. and I say it all the time this mindset piece is So important, but we haven't been focusing on it at all It says if people are the headless horseman their heads out here in their bodies here

Starting point is 01:39:18 And we haven't been connecting the two so for me and obviously I I have a population that comes to me for this reason, but it's incredibly common. Yeah. So can I add one thing to that? Yes, go ahead. To the amount of people that have contacted me from this MindPump episode, from the Facebook group saying, Rachel, I'm going through the exact same thing.

Starting point is 01:39:43 Tell me what Christine is telling you. Can we do this together? Can we hold each other accountable? So many people are experiencing the same thing. Yeah. We had an influx of folks reach out to us. And I will tell you guys a good majority of them are saying very similar results because we provide the

Starting point is 01:40:01 opportunity to take to keep space for them. Well, Christina, you mentioned these check-ins, these emotional check-ins. It really sounds like, because I don't think a lot of people realize that that's a skill that if you don't develop, you don't have. And so like any skill that you develop, you have to consciously practice it first

Starting point is 01:40:20 because someone listening might be like, oh my God, what a pain in the butt. Four or five times a day, I gotta sit down, think about how I feel. And yeah, you do until it becomes automatic. But in order for it to become automatic, you have to consciously practice it, just like anything else.

Starting point is 01:40:37 The other thing I wanna add is you have a background in therapy as well. So you don't just do fitness and your tristle for coaches listening right now. Christina's, she's educated in this. Now what I used to do as a trainer, I did not have a background like you did Christina. I would work with my clients alongside a therapist

Starting point is 01:40:57 and we would work together. And I think, and I wanted to say that because I don't want coaches to listen to you and be like, oh, that's what I'm gonna do my clients. This is a specific scale that you have that you bring to the table. Now, Rachel, I wanna ask you, you had mentioned how your relationship to exercise was affecting

Starting point is 01:41:14 your relationship with your kids, how you were feeling. Has any of that changed? Has it changed for the better? What's that like now? So what's interesting is that when she and I first started, she was asking me, you know, what's interesting is that when she and I first started she was asking me, you know, What's your motivation? What's your why? And so my why was yes to have control of my life But I specifically said the words I want to be able to go on vacation with my kids and not feel this pressure to work out every single day

Starting point is 01:41:41 And I think I said it to you guys too on our first episode We started working together in June. My brother at the time, single guy, started dating a girl, two literally three months to the day. He got married. His wedding was in Israel. We had a family vacation, we're like 30, and we had a two week vacation in Israel where all the family was together, and I remember leading up to it, and I was getting nervous. I'm like, Christina, I'm going to Israel. I'm not going to be able to work out every day, and she worked with me. She said, you're going to be feeling this. If you feel this, hear everything exercises. Here's Mindful.

Starting point is 01:42:31 I still have not done Yen yoga yet. I don't know if I ever felt it. But she told me what was going to happen. She prepared me for it. And I went to Israel, and I did not work out once. And it was incredible. Wow. And I was to Israel and I did not work out once and it was incredible. And I was literally able to enjoy my family, give my kids an experience that they will never forget. And I can't, I can't believe I did it. I really can't believe I did it.

Starting point is 01:42:58 Great. Great job. Now, now here's the salesman in me. Okay. I'm going to sell this to people watching right now because here's the fear with someone watching who is in the same boat that you were. They're going to hear this and be like, oh my God, if I stop all this working out, I'm going to gain all this body fat. I'm going to look terrible. We're looking at you right now. You look amazing. You look very healthy. Any physical changes. I mean, you look healthier to me, but any physical changes. Like what's what's happened since you've broken the chains of this addiction? Um, honestly, my body got a lot better. There it is. There it is. Uh, I'm resting a lot more. I'm seeing so much more definition in my muscles than I've

Starting point is 01:43:37 ever seen the comments that I'm getting from people of like, what have you been doing? I'm like, honestly, working out a lot less. But my energy, right? I've got so much more energy now. Also, just the fact of like removing myself from the gym for that hour, two hours and giving it to my children or to anything other than that psychologically, it gives me so much fuel and self-worth and meaning and purpose. And I think that ties into all of this too.

Starting point is 01:44:13 It's really, I feel fulfilled. That's the only word I can really use right now. Excellent. Well, this is amazing to hear. I knew this would happen. I'm so glad we sent you up with the best. Steena, thank you so much for for for doing this. I'm glad it worked out. I'm glad other people got to hear this, especially that last part because that's the biggest roadblock is people are afraid. If they change, oh, that means I'm going to sacrifice, you know, whatever gains I've made, you will look better if you do it right. Guys, I just, I want to say a huge thank you to you guys.

Starting point is 01:44:48 I really, really do. And this is not something that has just affected me. It's affected my kids. It's affected my friends. It's affected my relationships. I mean, you know, you guys did something to help me out, but you've got no idea how this affected so many other people besides me. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you very much. Thank you both. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:45:09 Great job. Bye. We'll see you guys. See you. You know, one thing I want to comment on for coaches and trainers listening right now. And she kind of said it quickly and you might not even have noticed what a big deal is. But if you're a trainer or coach, one of the most effective things you could do to build trust and adherence and consistency with your client is to tell them what they're going to feel before it happens. Two reasons.

Starting point is 01:45:39 One, when it happens, they're gonna look at you like, oh my god, you know what you're talking about? You're a wizard, yeah. Number two, they're prepared. Because you like, oh my god, you know what you're talking about? You're a wizard, yeah. Number two, they're prepared. Because one of the most challenging things for somebody is when they go into a new challenge, and they're not prepared, so they automatically, typically will default into their impulsive behaviors.

Starting point is 01:45:57 But what Christina did, she set her up. She said, look, you're gonna go on this trip. You're not gonna work out. You, this is what's gonna happen. You're gonna feel like this. And when that happens, I want you to do these tools. That's right. And so it only solidified their bond.

Starting point is 01:46:10 It built more trust than her coach, which is everything. And she set her up for success. And I think that we really need to, coaches and trainers, this is something that you need to do with your clients. It will make you so much more. Oh, this is so, this isn't just important for somebody who has, some sort of disordered eating or bad relationship. This is every client.

Starting point is 01:46:28 That doesn't matter. Every client comes in with expectations of what they think and most of them are wildly skewed. And if you're gonna be successful at what you do, learning to forecast that for them from the very beginning will set. We'll set you up I mean, we cover this in our core so we're get that we've been doing and this is something that I can't stress enough on For someone who's trying to build their business how important it is that you you set the expectations correctly from the gates

Starting point is 01:46:56 You'll see a huge difference not only in their adherence to it But the success in your business too. Totally. By the way, where do they find Christine? It's mind over matter Is that the name of her business?. Totally. By the way, where do they find Christine? It's mind over matter. Is that the name of her business? I think that was the name of her coaching business. Something like that. I'll look it up. Make sure we have that up when she's talking for people on a contact or find someone like her.

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