Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2223: The Risk of Muscle Loss From Overtraining, the Benefit of Cycling Calories for Fat Loss, Tips for Dealing With ADHD & More

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Meat is one of the MOST nutrient-dense foods! (2:04) When you have that one loose cannon “friend.” (25:03) Organifi’s Gold Juice is ultra-relaxing. (45:01) Justin’s man cave. (46:38) Do we need aliens to distract us from everything? (47:34) Strange News with Sak: Malaysia Airlines 370 and the Pentagon. (50:24) Fun Facts with Justin: Did this scientist find the key to eternity frozen in permafrost? (54:10) Shout out to Tyler Fischer. (56:30) #Quah question #1 - Can overtraining and under-recovery cause you to lose muscle and gain body fat? (58:02) #Quah question #2 - What’s the difference between cycling calories (high days versus low days) as opposed to taking the average and eating that amount every day? (1:02:01) #Quah question #3 - As a coach my philosophy is selling health first, then fat loss, and muscle gain come as a byproduct as you guys talk about. I’m having a hard time marketing this online, as selling health isn’t sexy in comparison to “Lose 20 pounds in 90 days.” Do you have any advice on how to sell or market a health-first approach to an audience? (1:05:58) #Quah question #4 - Sal and Adam have mentioned having ADHD and how it's been both a struggle and an asset in their business life. Do you have any strategies or tips for someone dealing with it in navigating relationships and business projects? (1:11:27) Related Links/Products Mentioned Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** December Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength | MAPS OCR 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** United Nations set to call on Americans to reduce meat consumption Database Indicates U.S. Food Supply Is 73 Percent Ultra-Processed Hospital room exposure to daylight and clinical improvement in unipolar depressed inpatients Mind Pump #1475: Eating Meat Is Good For The Climate With Robb Wolf UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 Missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 Watch MH370: The Plane That Disappeared | Netflix Official Site A Russian Scientist Injected Himself With 3.5-Million-Year-Old Bacteria Lady Ballers (2023) - IMDb Visit Joy Mode for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order** Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining How to Undulate Your Calories for Faster Weight Loss & an Improved Metabolism Mind Pump #2025: How To Be A Successful Fitness Coach With Jason Phillips Mind Pump #2175: A Call To Action For All Trainers & Coaches With Jason Phillips Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf) Instagram Nate Diaz (@natediaz209) Instagram Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) X Tyler Fischer (@tythefisch) Instagram  

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on the planet as defined by a food that contains every essential nutrient that you need to survive and live. In other words, you can eat this and be okay and eat nothing else. There's only one type of food that fits this category. It's meat, that's right, this is a fact, okay? This is unequivocal. Meat contains every single essential nutrient, macronutrient, and micronutrient, you need to live

for your body to function. It's extremely nutrient dense. Now, just eating meat is not ideal, but removing meat from your diet, whoa, you better make up for that with other foods and typically supplements. So when you hear people say, hey, get rid of meat, don't eat meat. You need to do a lot of research and a lot of work to make up for all those nutrients you are missing when you stop eating meat. Bringing this up because the push. Brought to you by Big Beef. Yeah. I wish they sponsored that. I've been all for it. Just throw us a steak everyone's one. I'm saying this because I brought this up on an earlier podcast about the UN is making

a call to their, you know, I don't know, member nations to reduce meet consumption in particular America. Now, now here's the problem. Okay. Here's the problem with that. In those of us who work in the health space, understand this. The average American consumes a majority of their calories from heavily processed foods.

This is a fact. In fact, when you go to grocery stores, 73% of the calories in a grocery store, typical grocery store, this is confirmed, comes from heavily processed foods. The average American, a majority of their diet, is made up from heavily processed foods. The average American, the majority of their diet, is made up of heavily processed foods. When you look at the remaining whole natural foods,

which is what we're always advocating for, I don't think anybody will say that a whole natural food diet meets eggs dairy. It's meat, eggs and dairy. That's a majority. They're not eating a lot of other whole natural foods. That's pretty much it. So if you convince a bunch of everyday

people who already don't plan their diets, who are already not health and fitness fancy, average person, and you just scare the hell out of them or you tax meat into oblivion or you ban meat and make it so people can't purchase it, what are you these going to happen? They're going to replace it with more of what they already a lot of, heavily processed foods, and what that will result in is a sicker population, a fatter population, a population with less muscle, with more anxiety, more depression as a result of nutrient deficiencies, not a great trade.

So as a reason why I'm bringing this up, it's like, I agree with you 100% on this. My question I have for you, those, do you subscribe to it being this big conspiracy to make people weaker and sicker? Or do you think it's less nefarious and it's just, this is the easiest path to patting food that we can make more money and control the food industry even more. Like, what do you think?

And I don't think that's a conspiracy. I think that's like the obvious path to me. I think that there's a few different things at play. There's the climate worshippers, where they place the climate, right? Environment climate as... So I just, I think to that point, I think those are just useful idiots. I think the agenda is still to make money and it's easy to play to that point, I think those are just useful idiots. I think the agenda is still to make money, and it's easy to play to that.

But there's more than one thing that's to make in this happen. So that's one, right? One of them is cornering the market. People worship the climate, it's everything, kill all the humans, everything bends to this top value, every other value is less than that.

So if people are more sick, people have more anxiety, more depression, less innovative, et cetera, et cetera, even people will even call humans a cancer on Earth. This is a common one. So that is part of it. Then you have a lot of markets that profit off of people who are not, quote unquote, balanced and healthy. Now, I don't necessarily think they sit down

and say we want people to be sick, but if you look at their products, their products are typically consumed by people who are less healthy or consume more by people who are less healthy. So if you look at someone who's like, I think of someone who's fit and healthy and balanced or less likely to buy all these products,

consume as much of the same media, you know, basically do the same kind of stuff. So, their incentives are in that direction. And then what you said, I think, is a big one, which is you can create lots of patented processed foods, GMO products, very profitable to do so. And if we need to sell it under the guise of saving. Saves it.

Yeah, this is a value. It's great for everybody. It's good for the earthise of- We're saving it. Saves it. Yeah, this is a value. It's great for everybody. It's good for the earth and therefore, let's do it. Then they'll do so. So I think there's multi-factors. Yeah, I think it's a- Well, we've seen a lot of examples of this in terms of low fat, like in eliminating fat out of your diet, and other focuses terms of like which foods that we all need to focus on.

I feel like this, it's sort of a trends thing, right? And so it starts out as like veganism is, um, I've seen like a big movement and pushing that direction. I have, I've seen lately, I've seen a lot of push back against it. And so you see like the carnivore kind of diet emerge. And then you see like people like forming over to that. There was atkins before. So I think that in terms of capturing the market

and like capitalizing on that, I think that there was opportunity there now to like, we have the technology to make this fake meat. And so like in order to get people to buy into it, we were gonna force them in that direction. And so I think if a lot of it is like, now that there's more control over the way that consumers get information.

And like we all have the same information on our phone, but they can control that a lot more. And you've seen them manipulate, you know, algorithms and ways people like receive information. So the nefarious part for me is that it's like, whether it's like trying to make a sick and all that kind of stuff, and it's like a real devious plot, I mean, you can go down that

rabbit hole you want. But I just think in terms of us having access to information, like they can control a lot of the information we receive, and so to inform the consumers that this is the direction we need to go is an agenda that businesses have. Yeah, I don't think it's this crazy plot to make us sick. I think that also just plays in the favor too, that plays it into the medical industry. Oh, yeah, that's a huge market.

So you have the food and the medical industry. Oh yeah, that's a huge market. So it's like, you're not, so you have the food in the medical industry, like two of the biggest industries that are out there. And so it's like, okay, well, we're gonna get it, we're gonna push more to process foods. That'll probably make him more sick. You'll probably make more money. We were partnering now with GLP.

So you know, so you got the medical community's not gonna push hard back on it, because you're just gonna send them more customers. You know, the food industry, it's said they're the best interest to make more money. hard back on it because you're just gonna send them more customers Yeah, I'm gonna help you. You know, the food industry, it's said they're the best interest to make more money. Right. So I do think like your point about like the zero fat like movement that we had in like the late 90s or whatever I thought I think that's the same thing.

I think it was driven by the same thing. I don't think it will even though it ended up making people sicker and unhealthy or like we saw this first hand right how many times Did you have a female client after training them and then realizing like oh shit She's eating under 20 grams of fat, all these issues that she's having, all I had to do was bump her fat to 80, 90 grams a day and all of a sudden, everything goes away. So we saw first hand, what that started to do to people

because they didn't know any better. So I do think that, I think that was a result of it. I don't think that was a desired outcome. I think desired outcome was, oh, let's create a new niche market of nonfat milk and fake butter and all this stuff like that. Well, look, I'll give you an example. There was that study that showed, so when people get hospitalized for depression,

it's pretty bad. Like, you're pretty bad. They did a study where they had a group of, they took groups of people who were hospitalized and they put them in rooms where there was a window that faced the East. So the rising sun would come and shine through the window. They were hospitalized significantly less than people

who weren't in rooms like that. Now, do you think it's in the best interest of these hospitals to build rooms that allow for more sunlight to come in with the right, do you think that that's in their best interest or do you think it's in their best interest to have people stay a little longer? So I don't necessarily think people are like evil at the top, but the incentives don't move towards making people...

There's ethical issues. There's definitely ethical issues that you see like that, and you're like, no, they wouldn't, somebody wouldn't intentionally have those windows facing that way because they know that it'll keep them a little bit sick. But if you're looking at your bottom line and you're looking at the fact that a hospital is a business and when they don't have patients, they're losing money all the time. And so, and too, with the whole COVID thing, it's like you see incentives for people to report things

because it's like, you have to like make money at the end of the day in order to keep things afloat pay your employees and all that kind of stuff. So you're making these justifications, unethical dust justifications, a lot of like sometimes, it's gonna happen. Well, incentives matter. Look, I'll paint the picture just so people

can feel like people aren't evil. I know people are working on a medical industry. They're good people, so do I. I think they're, I've trained and worked with lots of doctors. I have family members at our nurses. They're all amazing people. They all want to help people. So I don't think that there's these evil, whatever.

I'm sure there's some, but I think a majority of them are good people. But imagine this scenario presented. Your corporation, you own these massive hospitals or you're a medical organization that works with these hospitals. And a study comes out that says sunlight, when those that face the east reduce hospitalization

by this percentage. And then another study comes out that says, taking this antidepressant at this time when people hospitalized reduces hospitalizations, which one do you think is gonna get more attention? Yeah, the pill. Right, which one is gonna get more like, not just attention, but more adherence, more application.

And it's not necessarily because people are nefarious, it's just, that's what the incentives push you towards, right? So meat, eating, and the studies are clear on this. Very clear. Look at people who don't eat meat. Nutrient deficiencies are higher. Depression is higher. Anxiety is higher.

Okay, this is a fact. It's a fact because of the lack of nutrient-dense foods. The nutrients that a present meat are more easily absorbed. They're more bioavailable, and they're just higher. In order to make up for that with a non-animal product diet, you can do it. You can do it. We have modern markets.

You can go to the grocery store and get all kinds of different things now, anytime of the year, okay? But it takes a lot of planning. You got to be very careful. And even then, even then, I've worked with clients like this where they were meticulous about their vegan diet, even then they couldn't get certain nutrient levels where they needed. And they begrudgingly, I remember one woman in particular, I worked with her, she was a vegan for ethical reasons, she did

not want animals to get hurt. So she was one of those vegans that's like, and those little ones that tend to be consistent, right? They really, really, truly believe like, I don't want animals to get hurt. And she, man, she planned everything out. She worked with a functional medicine practitioner in me. She hired me. She had all these symptoms of nutrient deficiencies and hormone issues. We bumped her calories. I had her try vegan protein shakes. It just, there were certain things that just weren't working. Okay, her hair was still kind of fallen out. Energy was still not so great.

Nails and skin weren't so good. You know, functional medicine practitioners doing test honors like these nutrient levels still aren't coming up. She started taking supplements. The supplements helped a little bit, but they didn't help a lot. Some of them caused digestive issues.

Finally, I mean, we had this conversation, her and I had this conversation, and I said, you know, you're doing everything right, it's just not working for your body. I know you wanna help animals. I said, I think a healthy version of you is gonna be more effective than an unhealthy version. And you have to place yourself at the top,

you can't be effective at helping anything. If you're constantly sick and you don't feel good, and she was, I remember she was in tears, she gave in, and she started by eating eggs, and the difference in her health was profound. It was so profound that I remember she would come in, and she was like, one of those people that was like, Pro Vegan, but also, doesn't work for everybody,

and you gotta do this type of thing. It's just hard. And so if you take a bunch of everyday Americans who don't plan anything with diet, and you remove the nutrient dense, cold food, holy cow. We're gonna have all kinds of health and mental health issues and health issues.

And yeah, the food industry will profit massively. By the way, the lab grown meat, you know, it's beautiful about lab grown meat. You patent it. If my lab grows meat, I can make it. Yeah, that's. Sal's ribeye. I think that's the biggest thing going on here. It's just that they're moving in that direction and it's in their best interest and so the

narrative's going to be around why you shouldn't. And you know, it's, I don't know, it's the challenge of free markets, right? That's in their best interest to make that money and put that message out. Only thing we can do is counter it with better information, right? Yeah, so I mean, the question, yeah, it's just our job to inform people.

Here's why I point people, just not to tell you off, I point people to this, there are ways of raising animals that are far more ethical, not like the conventional style. You can grass fed, it's more natural, with the beef, it's going to have better fatty acid profile. The animals are treated differently. And thankfully, because of markets, you can now get it and it used to be so expensive.

Like butcher box, for example, look at the cost of the box and meet that you get. You're not spending more money. It's actually convenient, it's better, and you've got ethically raised like a wild caught fish, grass fed beef, heritage pork. You know where it's coming from. If you want, you can contact the company

for this whole out. I was gonna bring up, I was gonna bring up butcher box. Do you know if they're like, are they campaigning against a message like this, or do they just ignore it? Yeah, that's an interesting question. That's a good question. It's like a direct shot across the bout with them, right?

I mean, that's their business. I would almost, yeah, I would almost want to. Yeah, me too. I don't think I've seen anything. I haven't heard anything from RN, like of them sending out stuff where they're like actually. For question. I mean, you would think that they would do that.

Or maybe... At least a comparison, you know, and like, look at the value of the nutrients and what not, you know. Or maybe there's enough people that are subscribed and that are not even listening to that message that it's not hurting them like that. But I would think that it would affect their business. I mean, I don't know.

I mean, maybe not yet, but maybe in the future. You know my favorite part of this whole movement is, have you seen, people are actually doing this. Have you seen these vegan cat foods? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're taking a carnivore. They're not even, they're just like a carnivore.

And you're like, I'm gonna make you eat, you know, vegan animal cruelty right there. Come on, man, they're not, yeah, it's not benefiting these poor animals. Oh, what did that say right there Doug? So yeah, so we partner this is butcher box according to them We partner with people who are dedicated to doing the right thing So they always do a hundred percent grass fed grass finished humanely raised never given antibiotics or hormones So they do focus very serious

I have a super naive question. What is the difference between like a grass fed, and I should know this right, because I was in the dairy and farm industry. What is the difference between like a grass fed beef farm versus a regenerative? Is it the same thing? Is so if you are doing grass fed, is it considered a regenerative farm or is it?

They're typically, yes, but they're not always the same. So you could just... It was that up for me, Doug, I'm curious. I'm just bringing grass to the cows, having me. I see. Or regenerative is when they're using the land and cycling through and using all of the land using the manure to provide...

So they sort of cycle where they eat the... Yeah, I think they move them from pasture to pasture. How I know that about grass fed beef. I'm familiar with that. What I'm not familiar with is what constitutes it. Regenative versus that. Because I actually am not familiar with any situation where you bring grass to cows. You wouldn't do that. Yeah, you would feed them silage and you would feed them corn mill and stuff like that.

Does that incorporate more of the ecosystem of other animals and stuff to kind of life? Yeah, because they trample the ground and they... they know that's what I read that's what what's The name talked about rob wolf yeah look at up look up what is regenerative farming there's there's other animals that play a big role in that in order to like keep a lot of the vegetation and stuff in the soil for instance from I just always become a real popular new child in that community. And I mean, I came from an organic dairy. So and we, we moved the cattle like from, we passed through the pasture. They were grass fed, but then we also, uh, they were able to grain finish those, those cows, but that what I didn't know the difference is like, okay,

what makes it regenerative versus non regenerative, if it's, if you are going in all organic route, you're going all grass fed, would that just automatically fall in that category? What does that say, Doug? Well, I'm looking at this trying to get an answer that's kind of clear, but what they're saying is, really, it's just the ability to roam freely.

That's the main point that I'm seeing as far as that is concerned. Yeah, I mean, for sure, every time we do something like this, where none of us have a definitive answer, I will get 50 DM. Yeah, I'm sure I got it. I'm going to get a legit farmer. Yeah, I got it. I got a regenerative alcohol. Oh, right there. Who's got this?

Is that you? Andrew? Oh, okay. Good. All right. So what's it? Look at, look at, look, there's three here. So go to go to 100% regenerative grass fed beef. What does that say up there? Can somebody read that or maybe it's kind of the top point It just says genuinely regenerated in 100% grass fed beef comes from animals that lived on pasture foraging on nothing But grasses from birth to harvest okay the true definition of grass fed and grass finished

Well, the one on the right though right next to it is what is what's considered a grass fed but not so go Yeah, grass fed beef right here a so yeah, grass fed beef right here. A lot of fake grass fed beef is meant to mean genuine, regenerative and 100% grass fed beef, comes from animals that lived on pasture, but okay, but this is not always the case, meant to have access to a pasture, but not always the case,

and could be extremely limited. Many grass fed cattle are in refinement, but fed some grass. Yes, that's why I thought they literally throw it in their feed. So I was actually reading from the butcher box page there and it says, if you're buying grass fed beef, you're maybe not getting what you think you are. Typically grain fed or grass fed cattle start their lives on pasture, but are later confined to feed lots where their diets can include grains. Wow, so they can consider it still grass fed

if they started their life on that. That's why it has to stay grass fed. So grass fed, grass-finished cattle, also known as 100% grass fed are free to roam on pasture for their entire lives, not just when they're calves. Do you know what? I always thought that, so the cutout, I thought,

I don't know, so this is more questions that somebody else can answer better, that if it was grass fed as long as they could do it all the way, they had to do it all the way up till our final like two weeks before slaughter and then they would they would fatten them up by putting grain and silage and everything in their feed, but they still were most of their lives. I thought grass fed from what that sounds like like you don't even need to do that They don't go through a lot of trickery going. Yeah, you know, that's a shitty part about that You know, I'm saying and that's the arguments the other side makes for this stuff. I don't think is it two weeks out

I think it's longer than that. No, that's I mean, that's what I I in order to still call would that be enough time to change the fat in the Two weeks of overeating it would oh yeah with cows with humans too anybody I mean you I mean you trying to both like that you They have another gear brother They can handle I mean you I you could I remember scooping grain and silage to a cow like they'll eat whenever you put in front of Yeah, yeah, they'll go they'll go continue to just eat in fact. I can't remember we're call a time Oh well if a cow that's how you knew a cow was sick, right? So if you pour the, especially the grain and silage,

which they love, you pour that in their, in their trough. I mean, they suck it down. If they left something, you always tag that cow. Something's wrong with 487. You know, something's wrong with 519, like they didn't finish their, you just know. Like, did you help them produce like calf? Like, what do you have?

What do you have? One bowl for how many cows? How did that work? One bowl and then that would, I mean, we only had a hundred and fifty something. One bowl for 150 cows? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So, so the, You remember that the heifers only come in, they only come in heat, they're just, they come in heat at different times. So let's say you have like 15 in heat, only come in, they only come in heat, they're just, they come in heat at different times. So let's say you have like 15 in heat, you see the signs that they're in heat, then you move them in. What are signs?

I don't remember what, I didn't, this is not a part that I did a lot of. Like I had, I had, I had to stand different. No, no, no, no, no. No, I mean, honestly, I think I remember you seeing like, like blood and stuff coming. Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would see, yeah, like discharge and stuff like that. If I recall, I can't, yeah, you would see, yeah, like discharge and stuff like that. If I recall, I can't. No, what do you do? You just bring the bull in, he knows what to do. Yeah, yeah, you just, you just passed her them off in the same area. He's normally kind of hanging out by himself,

but then when they're in heat, you move them in, where they're in heat, and he'll go around and he'll, he'll fuck them off. Oh. Yeah, yeah, he'll take it, I mean, it's a real quick action, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you don't even realize like really? Well, you got 150, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't trying to take a shot. action, you know, saying it's like, you don't even realize like really? You got 150, you know.

Yeah, you can't take a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's an interesting question. Do you know what I never thought to ask? Like, what is the ratio? Like, there's got to be a point where you get more, where you want more, more, but we hit,

we were a small dairy, we only had 130 to 150 cattle. I didn't know that, but there's still one bowl for that many holy, believe it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That's a good, I've never thought about what the number, there's still one bowl for that many holy to leave. Yeah. Yeah. Wow That's a good I've never thought about what the number there's got to be a cutoff though Like what you get to a certain amount you would want a second. Yeah, I would have ideas of like so when I was in Scotland They had these like cows that would they have these longhorn cows that were like super sweet. Oh

Man, I was like, I could totally like, own a few of those guys. Oh, they're huge. Yeah, they actually have many versions of them now. That's cute. Yeah, it was ridiculous. So look what it says. So I was right.

It was signs of heat standing to be mounted, mounting other cows. Wow. So yeah, you'll see that. So if cow will do it to the other house. Yeah, they'll see, just like you see with dogs, right? Two male dogs or two, you'll see a mountain. Those are heat and cattle, not the bowls. Yeah, no, exactly. Same thing, you see the same sex of a dog if they're in heat, they start doing, they start acting. But the big

one is the mucus discharge. You'd see this mucus discharge. You know, I had a little bit of blood in it and you would know. You know, I'm saying, okay, it's time. Bellowing. Okay, so they are like, we're doing nothing. Well, that's well. So how was the, because we started late today, because you were, you drove, started to go to the game. I went to the game last night. Who played? What a Chris Sacramento Kings versus the Warriors.

What a crazy Sacramento. Well, it was such a crazy night all together. So for, you've heard me guys, I don't, and I'm not gonna bust them out completely on the podcast, but I've off air I've talked to you guys. I have a buddy who we all go back like to chip when we're 13 14 years old, right? So we go way back and He is the one who got injured and had this windfall of money. So he was yeah, he was in his 30s still living with his dad

I told you guys this and then got a lawsuit had a windfall of millions of dollars and stuff like that. And as we've gotten older, we've kind of drifted apart. Even though, you know, it's like, and I'm sure you guys have this guys that you were really close to when you're young, you still have friends, but maybe as you get older, you realize like, we have less in common now. And so we see less and less of each other, but we still, you know, that's because they can, they still act like they did when you were kids. Yeah, and that's kind of, that's definitely him.

Like he's still like that. And he's like a little bit of embarrassing and obnoxious and everything like that. Well, anyway, yeah, we just look at, here we go. What happened?

Hey, if he does, he deserves to hear this anyway is because he was. So I'm with now my other best friend, who I tell you about that Justin, who I do all kinds of stuff with. And his wife is great friends of mine, and him and I are. He's your third best friend.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're all, we're all. I know people probably get confused because I have another. So I know he's cool. Close, close buddy. One more cool Justin. So he introduces me to this guy like his neighbor in where he lives over in Lodi.

And this guy, first time I meet him like maybe a month ago we hit it off super cool guy very successful dude he started up those care homes and uh... we're all we're all big basketball fans but he's a king's fan and so we're all you know we're talking to yeah yeah having a good time and he's like is it hey we should all catch a game it's yeah we love to well long story short this dude offers up he literally gets all of us tickets for us and our wives to go to the game, right? And I'm like I can't doing the not cheap tickets. Yeah, yeah, this is where we're sitting like great seats, right? And I go

Oh, man, I can't it's that nice of a gesture I was like I can't accept that I was like let me barely know the guy right? Let me let me let me at least take care of mine and my wife's tickets No, absolutely no, he's like real nice guy like totally refused me wouldn't let me do anything So anyways, we go incredible game last night. So it's off. It's off. It's like incredible It's an intern and season tournament game and out of the blue my buddy who we don't really talk to very much We're on this little thread and every once in a while it pops in and and whatever he'll say something and My other my other buddy stay with with me here, Justin, okay, is like, I don't, I remove myself from

that thread because I can't stand him anymore. I don't want to talk to him. And he doesn't know that because I don't know if you know this, but when someone pulls himself out of like an iPhone thread, you'll still see their name on there. You can mute it. Yeah. And so he sees nothing that that guy sees, but he thinks he's still on that thread. So he's like having these conversations sometimes, and I know it, because I'm in it still. And so he's message him, yo, J.P. Justin, he's like, going to the Kings game, you wanna go with me, because they live over there.

I don't live over there. So he doesn't even, I'm like, oh, that's crazy. We're actually gonna be there. Justin's neighbor hooked us up with some tickets. Oh, where you sitting at? Where you gonna be at? I'm gonna be court side, where you guys at?

And so he was making this big, and I'm like, fuck. Now, at this sitting at? Where you gonna be at? I'm gonna be court side. Where you guys at? And so he was making this big, and I'm like, fuck. Now, I'm at this point where you're like, I should have said nothing. Yeah, but then I'm like, I'm gonna run into this for, like, you know what I'm saying? And then it'll be worse if I like a lot. Like, again, we go back to high school.

So, anyways, I tell him where we're going and I find out where the seats are at. So he does some stuff to move around. Now, we worn this guy that we, I just met and his Justin's neighbor, like, hey, we're gonna run into one of our friends. Like, please, it's not a representation. Oh, he's like that.

No, I had to have that, I literally had to talk because I barely know this guy. This guy's really nice. I said, I just want you to know, like, we're probably gonna run into Justin's eyes, buddy. For my- Everybody's got that one, friends. Yes, you do have to.

You want to be more of the four war. And it's a new relationship that I'm building with this new guy, right? So I'm like, hey, this dude is not a representation of anybody else that would hang with me today. Like this is just so you know. And so we're kind of giving him that warning. So my buddy, because he came in,

he was living at home with his dad till he was 30 something years old and he was kind of going nowhere for a long time. He was that, and that was part of why we all drifted apart. Rest of our friends all went off to college or made something themselves and did something. He stayed in our hometown, fucking around, getting drunk at local bars, doing nothing, right?

He ends up getting this massive lawsuit. So now he's that same guy, just a ton of money. And somebody who gets that like that, the insecurities around it are crazy. It's like they got to, they got to prove that they, like they made it even though they didn't make it, you know what I'm saying? And so he finds out where we're at and he gets the, the front row seats. So we're on, like we're in the third row, which are really nice seats. All right. It's still considered cord side where we're at. And he gets the core. I mean, these are the seat and it's right. There's fear on the floor. Yeah. He's on the floor. And he's by this, on the core. I mean, these are the seat and it's right. There's fear on the floor. Yeah, he's on the floor

And he's by this on the bed right percent when they got it. He's not known you were 100% I he's never said I know he has it and on top of it He buys it because he doesn't want to go by himself So he buys a ticket to this dude. I've never met his fucking stranger when I ask him about him He's like, oh, it's my my bacharot. Bokarot buddy, fuck, you play Bokarot, you met some dude gambling, buys this dude, see. And all of it is to like show up. Yeah.

My buddy, he starts getting drunk, he starts being obnoxious, acting like he owns the place and it's like, whole time, and he's real close. And so he's leaning back, talking and all the people around us are looking at me and I'm telling like the people that we're doing, I don't know the fuck this guy is. So I wanna be associated with him. So he continues to act like an asshole

and sure as shit dude, this is okay. So if you watch the game, those that watch the game will understand like how crazy funny this is. So quarters one through three, warriors are dominating. I mean, we're up 15 to 20 points the entire game. My buddy who's the Kings fan who brought us, I feel bad for him. He brought us all these tickets and we're just thumping him.

The game's gonna, but I'm like, man, this is crazy. So my dumb friend who's in the front row gets ejected. They throw him out of the fucking, the guys can. He's sitting on the floor. Or he gets kicked out. What do you do? Just talking to the players, talking to the people, just being an idiot. Hold on real quick. And saying how much of those tickets cost on the floor?

13,000 for that. He got ejected on 13,000 and and and bought the guy next to him and got ejected in the third quarter when the game and the Kings come make the craziest comeback I'd ever seen with a buzzer beater. One point went. It was one of the most epic games. It sucked for me because we lost. But one of the most epic games I'd ever seen live happen. And so he gets thrown out. The story gets crazier. So like I go down.

He's out and it gets worse. No, no, the story gets crazier, right? So the other part was almost getting into with Nate Diaz, right? So I go down. So yeah, yeah. So I'm in the lounge area. That's a little bit of a stretch. I don't really kind of have, but he was there and what happened to me and how I found out

he was there. So I go to the, I break off at like mid-fourth quarter to go to the restroom and at this point the game's going. So there's like hardly anybody in this lounge area. And there's a group of four or five people, four dudes and three or four girls that are just in this, Lexus lounge area, private area,

starting to get, and I don't pay no attention. I'm like, be lying straight to the restroom because I gotta go. And I go to the restroom, and when I come out, I swing the door and slam into this dude. And this dude turns around, mean mugs me, and then we're like,

oh, I touched him, I'm sorry, bro bro like it wasn't a big deal as they come out He's he's with Nate and all these guys. Oh, and they're all like I hit one of his boy. I didn't know who he was right But I still said I'm sorry like a couple boy. I was in a hurry, right? So come back and hit him to the side and he kind of threw him off It's always that guy though, right? Yeah, and of course he I'm with yeah, and I was being a nice guy about I was oh man I grabbed him. I'm sorry do them sorry And he's kind of give me this mean look and then we can we I followed him out of the bathroom

He's still dogging me and some of that and then I see he stands right next to me I'm like, oh yeah, great We might luck you don't say the dude that wants to fight me fucking Nate's boy, you know saying so yeah I'm the I just I walk, I get out of there, I'm not trying to fucking start nothing. So nothing happened with them. That was, that was a stretch. He's saying, that's what, the game was incredible.

The season, my buddy get thrown out the game was, did he say anything? Has he said anything to you? Oh, after the, after the show, I'll show you guys the thread of the conversation. Is he apologizing? Does he know we act like him? No, no, no, no.

This is the friend I told you. I'm trying to hate that. Who is also a pathological liar? So he tells like outlandish crazy stories. So the thread that I have, the text messages of when I got out of the game, it was him telling me how he told the Kings out. They're gonna give me three more games for free

or also I'll never come back. My lawyers are coming after and gonna sue the, sue the Verena. That's the Fee half row. Get the f**k off. Yeah, bro. Wait till I get you. It's too long to read on the podcast, but I'll let you guys read it afterwards

of the conversation that he was having basically with himself. That's everybody else's. And you still call him a friend. I mean, it's like one of those guys, I feel like I don't know if you guys have a loyal to it. Oh yeah, there's a loyal to you there.

So the audience understands why I would even allow. His mom was like, he's an adopted kid, and his mom was like another mom to me, and she died of brain cancer when I was in high school. And I also, when I moved into this new town, he was one of the first kids that befriended me. So you got loyal to him? So exactly.

I have this. So his mom was like another mom to me. He befriended me when I was a new kid in town. We, you know, so we were tight. We were really tight when we were growing up and we just, we outgrew each other and went different directions. And he kind of just, like I said,

he didn't really become a pathological liar till after we got older. And then it was like, and if you've ever met someone who's like a true pathologist, you can't call them on it. They're so good at it. Like he's so good that he, when he tells stories, like he inserts truth.

And so, and there are always things that you can get out of that. He can't prove. Like he told us when we got there, he said, he told me how him and Clay were in the elevator together. And he was telling Clay, oh man, great game. Tell him who he was and all that.

And it's like, I can't prove that. It was just him and Clay, right? So nobody could prove that he was hanging out with Clay in the elevator, talking to him on the way to the game. And it's like, but you do know what I do know is that the player stayed at the same hotel that he was at. So there's a possibility. Yeah, and it's always like that.

You know what I'm saying? When they're really good at lying like that, they always have these hints of truth. I have a friend, I'll say friend, that was like that, where he would not like that though, they always have these like hints of... I have a friend, I'll say a friend, that was like that, where he would not like that, but I stopped hanging out with him because when we'd go out, if he had a one or two drinks, he would always start a fight. Always would start a fight.

And you know, when you're a kid, like the first time it happens, it's exciting, and you yourself are probably a bit of an asshole because you're a teenage, you know, whatever. But then after the second or third time, like, I don't wanna go out with you, bro. Every time we go out, you start something. It's terrible, it ruins a night, and you're just angry.

So, you know, I used to be a little bit naive too. I was like, oh, they're gonna mature. Yeah. Yeah. Like, eventually, right? That's how I felt too. Like, wait and form. Yeah, and then you just, I guess the only move for me was,

I had the same issue though. I had a lot of friends like that that was like, I'm loyal to them. Like, we've been through like, serious shit together and like, I know their families and it goes deep, you know? But at the same time, you're like, but you haven't changed your behaviors.

That sucks. Dude, I got some heartbreak around a story like that. I went, one of the first clubs I ever ran. There was an AGM there that worked for me and he had kind of a bad reputation. But I took him under what my wing and I wanted to train to develop him and he was definitely working hard and really doing a good job while I was there. And when I left, I really put in a lot of good words for him and at the time he was performing well to take over as the manager of that club, which he'd never gotten before. And it was a big deal

for him. He becomes the manager and slowly declines into some of his old habits where he chose to work late, drunk, doing drugs, he's the rumors I was hearing, I get on the phone with him, like, what's going on, dude? Is your best best opportunity? Like, why would you throw this away? I get on the phone with him like what's going on dude is your best best opportunity like why would you throw this away Anyway long story short he lost that and I still would talk to him and He cut me he like ignored me for a while and then I get a phone call from him after a while he ignored me He calls me and he calls me to bail him out of jail Oh me and and so I did but I knew like I'm gonna I'm gonna bail you out I know you have a family yeah, and I care about you. Yeah, I'm gonna bail you out. I know you have a family, and I care about you.

But after I give you this money, I'm never gonna talk to you again. And that's exactly what I did. Because I had to create that, that bound, and I did, I bailed them out, and that was it. And then a couple of years later, we try to get in contact with me, but at that point, I'm like, yeah,

it's like I'm not gonna, but it's heartbreaking. You know what, you the your evolutionary theory around why us men like pick on each other and stuff, right? To see, are you gonna hang or are you, and like I 100% grew up in a group of guys like that. But once we all got to, if we still are friends and now they were in our 40s or what are I talking about, it's like everyone, most everyone has grown beyond that, right?

You don't need to challenge me anymore. For 20 years I've been around. You know I got your back. You've already been in 55s. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, there's nothing to prove anymore. So we should all be like that.

He still has that in him. And now it's like, it's meaner and uglier. It's more mean spirit. Yeah, it's more, I know that. It's more mean spirit. So the reason why my other buddy, so if he ends up hearing this, he'll know why.

My other buddy Justin, who stopped talking and pulled himself to the thread, probably started to talk shit about him being a father. And like, tell him, Oh, you don't touch that. Oh yeah, tell me he's not, he's telling me he's a pussy husband. And he's like,

Oh, these are things you don't tell? Yeah, and coming from a guy who's not a father, it's like, what are you doing? You don't say that to a friend, too, about, like, you don't say that to a nut. I wouldn't say that to somebody I don't like. You know, saying much less to somebody who you like. And it's like, I don't even know if he realizes

like how mean spirited that is. And it's like, we're 40 years old. Like, I don't want that in my life. He, there's my buddy. And so that's why he removed himself because he can get like that. Isn't that interesting? There is a certain ability to be able to discern what is genuinely mean and what is just

we're fucking with each other. And I think some people don't know how to discern that. Like you ever have that buddy, I have a friend like this, who I have somebody that's like this in the group I hang out with, where we all talk shit to each other, but everybody can discern. Yeah, and then he takes it too far. And everybody, it's like obvious to everybody else. Yeah, it's awkward. Yeah, you went too far.

That's not, but he can't, I don't think he understands how to discern between like friendly shit talk. Yeah. And like, oh, you just, that's not, across the line a little bit and that's not really cool. Yeah, it's so funny, because I had a friend like that. And I was still friends with that guy, right?

Meanwhile, I'd kind of float around to other groups of friends and they'd be like, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to invite so and so to come hang out there. Really? Yeah, they get all uncomfortable and later on, I figured out like, yeah, he's really hard to like deal with because he'll be that guy that will like launch an insult that's like is this funny? Or is this just really mean you know how you know the difference? This is how you can always tell they can dish it out they cross the line. They can't take it It's always that the guy that can't take what he dishes out at the red flag this dude's insecure

And is not because if you're gonna give it to me and you're gonna cross some lines, then you're gonna get it back. And if you can't take it back, this is what I, yeah, I'm actually having this conversation a lot with Ethan because he's, he's in that phase right now where a lot of his friends, they're doing that, you know,

and they're all kind of like the pecking order thing and then one's gone off with this group of friends, the other ones have gone this way. He's kind of over here and with, you know, this new kind of group of friends. And so, you know, it's just like being able to identify that. And like if it's me and spirit, or if it's like,

it's true, just like, they're just, you know, jabbing at you to joke. I will not do to somebody else that something that I can't take back. Yeah. I will not, because I else that's something that I can't take back. Yeah, right. I will not, because one thing I cannot take is I don't poke at me for being a father or being a husband,

things that I can be sensitive about. I would never do that to someone else. If I did, I'd better be okay. That's right. With you hitting me back. That's right. And there's also, I mean, there's always like, I feel like there's a time and a place. Like there's like, you know, when there, and there's also, I mean, there's, there's always like, I feel like there's, it's a time and a place.

Like there's like, you know, when there's an opening where one of you said something, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get just, you know, oh, I'm gonna get, like, it's like, you set it up, it's funny, it's like, and it was just, and then we move on from it. But like when you get someone like this, who's like mean-spirited, it's like,

you wedge in a place to be mean and rude, it doesn't even belong there. I'm saying. Like he'll be like talking down about somebody else or someone like that and then find a way to like pull you in and put you down with that. It's like, why am I standing here listening to you? I have a buddy.

I'm really breathing. I mean, could you apologize to me on the way home? She goes, you know, I'm really sorry. I said, why? And she goes, well, I know you so well. And she goes, I heard your tone of your voice. And she goes in the hair stood up on my neck. And I know when you don't get like that,

I should just pull you out of that situation. And I left you in there. She goes, I'm sorry that I didn't come in. And she's, because she I can rely on her to be like that. Oh, honey, we have to go. Come and save the story. Yeah, yeah. She's got to get that reading. Oh, honey, we have to go. Come and save the story. Yeah, yeah. Like she's got to get that reading.

Yeah, you know why the way that's a good woman? Because a man will get stuck in a situation and will not leave because it can make him appear to be less manly. It can make him feel that way or you just are not aware enough. A good woman will know I'm gonna step in and help him. Yeah, and she's like solid for that.

Like normally spot on, she can read my body language, the way I'm responding, and she'll normally come over and make something up, right? Like, oh honey, we have to go do this. Or oh, so and so want me to call them. Or like she'll do something where it pulls me out. I don't have to be the person who's just like, hey bro, don't wanna talk to you and walk away.

And she's like, I totally, she goes, I was into my thing, I heard you, my hair stood up, I should've said something. I got a money like that, where I'll say something like, hey bro, don't wanna talk to you and walk away. And she's like, I totally, she goes, I was into my thing, I heard you, my hair stood up, I shoulda said something. I got a buddy like that where I'll say something like, oh, this happened in the business or whatever. And then his way of talking shit is like, oh, anybody could do a social media business. Like, like,

I just like, that's not even a good way. First of all, you're not talking shit properly. That's not really good. Number two, it's super not true. And it just makes First of all, you're not talking shit properly. That's not really good. Number two, it's super not true. And it just makes you look stupid, you know? Stuff like that. I mean, I love a good razzing or jazz. Oh my God, my favorite.

Yeah, like I mean. If people listen to us off-air, they'd be like, wow, he's gonna say. If it's clever and it's cheeky, you know what I'm saying? Like cheeky versus just like, oh, I wanna fucking insult you and like, he cheer like. Well, how many times have we talked,

this is a funny thing for the audience to have, get some insight perspective. So we all like her like that with each other, right? So when we meet people, you know, they just, because we are that way, right? And we don't know them, we don't have this relationship. And so, and we're getting, you get these people that listen to the show sometimes.

Oh, they jump in. Yeah, they jump in and they, I don't know, are you what you do? Yeah, and they wanna get a part of that. And so they jump in. Yeah, they jump in and they don't know you anymore. Yeah, and they want to get a part of that. And so they'll just come in insulting one of us. And some people have good delivery and some people don't have really good delivery. And we don't have rapport, man.

Yeah. And so we've had to learn to like, you know what? Like if someone's like on our social media or meeting us in person, just assume that they're good, hard, and they mean well, because some people suck at that delivery, just like, what you lifted weights.

You know what I mean? You'll say something. You'll say, what? That's the first thing they say. Yeah. Oh my God. Come on now. But I know it's our own fault because we put ourselves up.

We put that energy off. You know what you should've done when your friend was acting that way, is you should've given him some, some, some some organified gold juice to get him just to bring this good commercial break right there hey sound was wondering how he's gonna show you how I get you hard to

organify commercial in here listen nine out of ten times they were a calmsy asshole yeah do you ever said ever send your friend that just won't chill the fuck out? Yeah. Or get a bike. I think that's a really relaxing service. I wish we could do more fun commercials like that. That would be funny. Hey, speaking of the goal juice, the pumpkin spice, goal juice.

Oh my God, bro. With almond juice, macadamia nut. Do you slip into your ugs when you make that? Oh, I want to. Do you slip into your ugs? I should have. Dude, I've created. Do you slip into your uggs? I should have, dude, I've created a nice little like, oh man, it's such a little knuck in terms of like,

it was so comfortable. I passed out when I got home with the tree, then the fireplace, and then the bean bag. And I don't ever sit in that bean bag. And it's like, you cannot, like, get up. So this is stuck there. Unofficial, this is not organized promoting this, but I am to say this,

you take the gold juice, you get some almond milk or some macadamia milk or whole milk, if you can have dairy, you froth it up, throw a little bit, a little bit of rum. Un, believable. Un, pretty sure that's what they intended with it. They don't. They don't. They don't like we're getting the call from Drew, right?

Hey, what are you guys doing? Hey, maybe not bring up alcohol with our health products. That's got pro liver health compounds on it. I mean, it's not that flavor, like available for that. Speaking of T, speaking about your, are you, are you still building your man, Kaver, did you finish it? What are you, were you out with it?

I'm still, I'm still kind of adding, well, here's the thing. Like in talking about teasing and whatnot, like Courtney and I have had this kind of relationship too, where like she's worried that I'm gonna be like cluttering it, you know, and I'm like, no, I'm trying to like add all these things. So I'm trying to like reorganize my thoughts with it, get somebody's to help me sort of structure it better. Cause I was going a little ham.

You know, like I was like buying all these cool things and like trying to make it work. And she's like, maybe you want to step back and kind of like, I think the nice, nice wide places. Yeah, take a look at what you're, and I get it too. And she was not trying to be mean about it. She was just trying to get me to kind of like, oh, so I've been reassessing it.

It's pretty much there. It's just like, it needs like, I could say a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, we got to say this before we ran out of time. We have to bring this up. What? Tucker Carlson on X did a segment on, what's that new act that they passed?

The UAE? UAE? UAE. UAE. They're gonna be releasing information that the government has, or they're trying to on UFOs. I did not know this. There are 10 whistleblowers that were deep in these federal agencies that have come forward.

And under oath have literally said, yes, these are extraterrestrial aircraft? No, they're not made from any government that we know of. Yes, we are in contact and we have been in contact with extraterrestrial beings. We did capture some bodies like this is real. This is the real deal. So they passed this act, which is like,

you get a release of this information. There were politicians who are ready to get the information, deep agency step forward and literally said, nope, you're not getting it. So they went to the media and said why can't we get this? Yeah, this is all happening. All people in Congress everybody was like oh, yeah, let's start like diving into this This is got this is re this is all real not not saying that they're telling the truth So yeah, okay, this is this here's my 10 foil hat coming on here, bro. This is I you know what scares me the most about this? Is that, that there's something else

that is crazier than fucking aliens that we need aliens to distract all of us. That's the thing that scares the fuck out of me. Is that why now, if it is true, like why at this moment in time, which is kind of a weird time right now coming into another election. I tell you men, I'm having to, the economy being crazy.

Like, I did not have this on there. This is weird to me and weird timing, even more so. And so, what else the fuck is going on? Well, the whistleblowers have come out. This has been in the, I thought the same thing. Did you hear about, like, by the way, too, it's been like since, since here's one that could go, called, did you hear about the Pentagon again in their budget? There. Yeah, they failed six time. Yeah audit. Yes

They failed 50% Conaccounted for assets. Come on I mean how do how can people just not get like in Can I get it? Okay, can't that make you feel like okay? That's a great way to distract everybody right now Oh aliens are way don't don't worry about the trillions of dollars. That's part of it though They're like we want to investigate where all this money's going. Yeah, yeah, you know like let's trace all this money Like we need transparency for the American people Tucker Carlson is like why won't they really deal this and the common theory is they don't want to cause a panic And bullshit bullshit

They use the pandemic He loves scary. He said, it's not scary. He said, it's not. He said, maybe it's because they don't want us to know that they've got technology that they've been using. Maybe it's because there's other reasons that are worse. Like they've made deals, that was the thing is like, have they made deals with these like

extraterrestrials that we don't know about. Along those lines, have you guys seen the video? Do you guys remember Malaysia air? I don't remember what it was. It was the jet liner. There's a document here. It was Netflix. I think that had the word disappeared. Yes. Okay. There's videos. You ready for this? Okay. There's videos both actual video and thermal video of the plane itself flying. Yep. Surrounded by orbs going around three of them, like going around it. Okay, there's a few videos and it vanishes literally disappear. It was just like a Hollywood movie where it just like poof.

And now now here's the thing there. I forgot who it was. There's there's people that are there's a person or a group that's coming out that is now offered over. I think that the amount is keeps going up, but I think at the moment, it's $150,000 to anybody who can prove that these videos are fake. They're putting money out and saying, prove to me. Well, because they haven't found any remains.

Because they've found a crack. They didn't find any remains of it. Thermal video. It's flying orbs. Yeah, did they find parts of the plane and everything washed up on a beach? I proved yeah, it was like they were like, oh wasn't yeah, yeah, they were parts from another plane Doug pull up the Malaysia air surrounded by orbs. It literally just what year was that? What year was that? Oh, I don't know It was a couple years ago. It's been a lot more than that. Wait longer. Yeah, well, that's when the documentary came out

But yeah, bro, come on. It's crazy. And they're offering money to prove that those are fake videos. And nobody's coming forward. No, no, no, no. Everybody's looking over here. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Well, speaking of the Pentagon, this time, this is old, right?

But when you really think about it, I'm gonna throw another, I don't know, we'll see if this episode gets flagged. Yeah. The Pentagon is not a very tall building, it's a wide building, it's massive. It has to be the most, one of the most if not the most surveyed buildings in the world. It's the Pentagon.

Yeah. A pilot, or should I say a passenger who learned how to fly a single engine Cessna who on the report was such a terrible pilot that the guys didn't want to even pass him hijacks a 747 Figures out how to maneuver it with maneuvers that not even the best fighter pilot said that they could probably do It's the side of the building Basically hovering over the ground which is 7 747, good luck doing that.

And we have no video evidence because they confiscated all the videos. That's what happened on September 11th. That's literally what happened at the Pentagon. There were people that went on camera to eye witnesses, if you will. Yeah, yeah.

So who knows, the deal is, but what are they? Obviously, they're hiding something. Obviously, something is going on. So who knows? Just speaking of the Pentagon. Yeah, it's really, you're gonna get a slap. We just threw that out.

I don't know. Little cherry on top. Yeah, you can't find the or video Doug. I got, well, I got a cool, well, I guess it's kind of scary, but also cool. Oh, there it is. Hold on. Look at this. So bring up, look at this video.

Oh, Doug, you're not a member of TikTok. You can't get on. Well, look at it. But anyways, there's a scientist in Russia. So you guys know about the permafrost, right? Oh, we do. Hold on. Let's watch this. This is always the music when sighted. Weird, isn't it? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do. So this is satellite image. Okay. Look at those little, so there's the orbs circling around it, just spinning around it. And then all of a sudden, it literally just pops out of existence. Like what are those, dude? Watch.

Ready. And gone. So that's a satellite that took that satellite image. Why did they put an emoji there? That's really annoying. Just that, yeah. I guess it's just that. This is TikTok. All right. All right.

Go ahead, Justin. The Permafrost. Yeah, the Permafrost. So it's been thung out and they've been getting mammoth bones and all that kind of stuff. Well, I guess there's one part of the Permafrost that goes really deep. They were investigating it and actually they found the deepest part, this bacteria that

was 6.7 million years old, I guess they assumed that was still alive. Being scientists, hey, let's test this bacteria. And so they injected it in mice and plants. And apparently they had like tremendous longevity in terms of health and prosperity and all this stuff. Like, and so, okay. When the mice became prosperous. The mice, that's not prosperous. They're sort of business. Wrong, the mice became prosperous. That's not prosperous.

That's not prosperous. They're sort of business wrong, right? Holy shit, damn, these mice, these mice make an investment. They just lived a long time. So, why do we always use that word when you're talking about longevity? It goes hand in hand, anyways.

That's right. Thanks for calling me out on that. Yeah, so you made them live a long time. So they lived a long time. They're healthy. They're good at that with good. They're healthy and vibrant. They're rich in life.

Vibration life. You guys, I found it. Vibrant. But anyway, so the scientists that was observing this, like decided to inject himself with it. And so- Just like that? Just like that. He needs a couple of my suits.

Right? So we need- Hey, this mouse just started a business. Yeah. Of course, so far he's trying to report like health benefits from, but I don't know. I'm gonna be like watching this. Does it just happen? Not that long ago, yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah, so he's still alive. He's still alive, so countdown's on. Why would why would you why but why would you do that and it's million yeah, we gotta get his name so we can like watch him. I'm sure he's got a some social media. Yeah, yeah Well, I mean, I don't know it. I want to look it up But I'll look that up while you guys Converse you injecting the self-repector I'll look that up while you guys Converse do injecting the self-repectorial

Cuz you saw prosperous mice I mean, you know who doesn't want to be prosperous not at all. All right. Do we have a we have a shout out for today? So I guess I mean that um I might have brought him up a long time ago on here But he's I mean he's continued to grow and he's the comedian Tyler fish. Oh, yeah, Tyler So dude, I've been following him for a really long time and I remember he started to really blow up during the vaccine, he do a lot of funny vaccine jokes that went viral.

He's in that movie now that Daily Wire just did. What's the new one called? Oh, that's the one where the dude's going in there. Ballers, lady ballers, lady ballers lady ballers lady ballers So he got a role in that thought that was so crazy I had been texting him for a long time. I was trying to get him to do like an open He offered to do an opener for like one of our live events Oh wow, and I just never followed up and executed it and I reached out to him again

Just graduated. Oh, so yeah, he's definitely a worth of fall. I found the Russians doctors name. What is it? So it's doctor. Brochoff. So BROUCHKOV. Did you just make that up? I, it sounds like it. What's up, Brochoff? Ha ha. Joy Mode was created to help improve blood flow

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Your order, all right, back to the show. First question is from Yulina Lika, can overtraining and under recovery cause you to lose muscle and gain body fat? Absolutely, 100%. And there's a few reasons why. One is overtraining essentially means that you're adding too much or applying too much stress

to your body, or your body can't recover and adapt, because it has to do both, recover and adapt to the stress that's being placed on it. And of course, exercise is a stress. And so when that happens, you're now in this chronic state of stress. And when that happens, your body is trying to conserve calories and it's trying to become more efficient.

One of the ways it does this is by pairing muscle down. And it shifts hormones in a way so that fat storage becomes more likely. So your body literally, think of it this way, it would be like you are, you know, with your family, normal economy, all of a sudden the economy crashes. What are you going to do? You're going to start saving money. You're going to talk to your wife or spouse, you're going to say, look, economy crashed, what are you gonna do? You're gonna start saving money. You're gonna talk to your wife or spouse, you're gonna say, look, economy crashed, things are looking bad. Let's slow down the spending.

Let's start cutting expenses, and let's start saving as much money as possible because times are really scary. And this is what your body does when you're over-trained and not recovering, is your body wants to move this direction. So you become weaker, you start to gain more body fat. Cravings go up to try to fuel some of this. It's just not a good place to be.

You definitely won't build muscle, that's for sure. The only signal your body's received is the food is scarce and the demands on your body have increased, right? And so, it's natural inclination is to try and preserve as much as possible in terms of energy because of the environment you're presenting it, even if that isn't the case, because you're over-training, you're adding an excessive amount of moving on top

of not probably eating enough calories to supplement that, that's all your buys received. It's important that we understand that our body doesn't want to carry a bunch of extra muscle. It's an expensive tissue, energy-wise, and it's only gonna carry the least amount it needs to to run efficiently. And so if you don't eat enough,

you don't give it the building blocks for that and you overtrain the body, it'll get rid of it. It's not ideal for it to have it. And so it's only gonna operate with the least amount. And so it actually takes a lot of effort to keep building or adding or holding on to additional muscle than what you need to get through your daily activities. So you have the least amount you need just to get through the things you do every single day.

Then we go to the gym lifting weights, hoping that we send the signal to, hey, give my body some more muscle. It needs more muscle. But if we don't give it the building blocks nutritionally, that it needs, it's not going we send the signal to, hey, give my body some more muscle, it needs more muscle, but if we don't give it the building blocks nutritionally, that it needs, it's not gonna do it. And then if we also overstress the body so much that it's trying to defend all these things we're throwing at it,

it's also not going to build muscle. Yeah, and look, we can look at this from a different, a lot of different ways, but let's look at this hormonally. Over-training causes depression of testosterone. It causes a depression of growth hormone. It causes cortisol levels to be elevated when they're not supposed to be elevated. You can see estrogen and progesterone and balances in women. You also get chronic inflammation.

You know, it's like any stress that your body can't handle. It starts to break down. And so this is a terrible place to be in. This is anti muscle. This also encourages fat gain through many different methods, one of them being slower metabolism, hormone profile, and also cravings. You are going to have more cravings when your stress levels are higher than what you can handle. For a few reasons, one of them is, you know, it's one way to make yourself feel better in the moment.

So, you're kind of using it as a way to, you know, medicate yourself. And the second reason is your body's like, oh, too much stress. If there's food, eat it because we got to save these calories, store these calories because this is an environment that's not so safe. Okay, next question is from Jay Schaeffer, WA. What's the difference between cycling calories, high days versus low days as opposed to taking the average in eating that amount every day? Well, the biggest difference because there are differences physiologically.

Let's start with the psychological. I think that's the most important thing to focus on. Real relaxed balanced healthy eating. And I say relaxed in the sense that you're not like counting every calorie and carrying food with you, right? But healthy balanced kind of relaxed eating, it's not gonna look exactly the same every single day. I mean, it'll look similar. Most of us will eat the same thing for breakfast and lunch, but sometimes it'll go out for dinner,

sometimes we eat something different, we'll switch up to meat, whatever. So to eat the exact same calories and macros every single day just is highly unlikely. It just doesn't mirror real life. So it's a hard transition. vaccine calories and macros every single day just is highly unlikely. It just doesn't mirror real life. So it's a hard transition. I should say it's a harder transition to go from there than it would be to have days

that are higher carb, lower carb. The other thing is, or higher calorie lower calorie. The other thing is it allows you to pay attention to how you feel on days that are higher calorie or days that are lower calorie. Do I feel more sharp? Do I have more energy? Do I feel more groggy? More carbohydrates make me feel this way.

More fat makes me feel this way. Higher protein makes me feel this way. Lower protein makes me feel this way. So it really, it encourages you, or an increasing environment where you can really pay attention to how your body feels. Now physiologically, there's probably a pro metabolism effect that happens from this. I think, especially when you're in a cut,

eating low calorie all the time, probably causes the metabolic adaptation where your metabolism slows down. You're probably seeing more of that happen versus some days are lower and other days are higher and some days are even above what you're burning. And that's been my experience. I was not a lot of data to support that. There's a little bit that suggests it, but my experience, the fluctuating seems to work better across the board.

I have two different opinions on this and it depends on who I'm talking to. So I'm talking to a competitor that is getting ready for stage, which is a very small percentage of people that are listening to this. I like the consistent same calorie every single day. It's just one less variable that we're trying to figure out what happened or didn't happen in a fluctuation of weight or change in body composition. It's just this. So it's like you eat this many calories every single day, this puts you in a surplus or deficit. Right, and so I'm looking at so many other variables, I don't want to eat the NM of course,

that person is expected to be measuring weighing, tracking every detail. Right. If I'm talking to a person that is just normal general population that wants to be healthier, that wants to be fitter, I 100% am encouraging the ups and downs, right? The underlating the calories where one

day's higher one days lower learning to adjust it based off of how busy you are your lifestyle how you feel better and that's just a more sustainable way to live that's how I live if I'm not competing right if I'm just eating normal it's like I have higher days lower days medium days it's this this up and down and's not, I'm obsessing over hitting a certain amount. So it really depends on who I'm communicating, as far as what the science says on it, one's better not, I think we did a video, UNI did so years ago on the little bit of science

that supports the benefits of underlating, that there's probably some sort of adaption that happens if you're getting exactly the same amount of calories for a long time, and there's probably some benefits Metabolically to, you know, fooling the body of you're gonna get a lot one day less another day, and so there probably are some, but I think that's such Spitting hair difference that that's not the reason why you would do it for more psychological or lifestyle reasons So if your general population The answer is, there is no real major difference.

I think it's better and healthier for you to learn how to underlake the calories. If you are a competitor and you are like dialing in, measuring and paying attention to everything, I like to keep it controlled. So next question is from Sufidnaz by Sunny. As a coach, my philosophy is selling health first than fat loss and muscle gain comes as a byproduct

like you guys talk about. I'm having a hard time marketing this online as selling health isn't sexy in comparison to lose 20 pounds in 90 days. Do you have any advice on how to sell or market a health first approach to an audience? I don't know if we're qualified for this. I'm not a liquid. We had to know if we're qualified for this. Yeah, I'm the liquidest figure.

We have the same challenge, bro. Well, I mean, look, we've done it well enough to get where we're at. Sure, sure. Build a business that I think the podcast now has influenced a lot of trainers and coaches to communicate some of the ways that we do. Look, I like the way the question was answered.

I have a good answer for this. Well, okay, I'll go and then I wanna hear what you have to say, but I like the way the question was answered. I have a good answer for this. Yeah. Well, okay, I'll go and then I want to hear what you have to say. But I like the way that this question is asked because you're right, you have to sell it. You have to sell it. And like any sales competition or any business, you've got to sell what you're selling better

than the other guy can sell. What they're selling. So you can say, health is more important than looks. Okay, and people are gonna agree with that, but no one's gonna buy that. No one's gonna pay you money to buy that. They're gonna pay the guy or girl that says, you're gonna look hot if you do what I say.

So you have to figure out a way to do this. So one way to do this is to tell people, if you try to look good, it ain't gonna work. In fact, you'll look bad and you're gonna get poor health. If you try to get healthy, you're gonna look better than you did if you chased the looks, and you'll get really healthy. So what am I doing? I'm doing this takeaway.

This one doesn't work. This one actually works. And here's why it works. So you have to reword things, and you have to communicate to people in a way that's gonna get their attention. So here's what'll happen. If you try to lose 20 pounds in 90 days, that'll be a great way to show people

What's wrong? Here's what happens when you improve your health and get stronger and then I would sell that like People have to understand that it's not It's not fast and slow. It's yes or no. I've said this before like it's it's right or wrong one way gets here It gets you there the other way doesn't it's not that one way is a slow way to do it and the other way is a fast way to do it It's literally there is only one way to do this and that is to not sacrifice your health. You sacrifice your health, you're gonna look like shit, bottom line. Nobody who has poor health looks good and if they do, it doesn't last very long. Just maintain your integrity. I mean, it's pretty simple actually. If you're really focused

on just trying to gather as much attention as possible and get, you know, popular as you can. You're doing it the wrong way. Master your craft, help as many people as possible. Do, you know, your diligence in terms of like educating yourself and just be as consistent as possible with making the right moves and the right decisions because people are watching and people are way more aware and savvy now to see bullshit. And I think that yes, that gets highlighted because it's, it gets promoted and it's got all the money behind it and there's a lot of like big business, you know, that kind of drowns out a lot of the good messages. But these days especially, I just feel like there's definitely a starving sort of sensation from the consumer of finding

somebody who is consistently just delivering things that maybe aren't as popular, but are like. Honestly, yep. The irony of this question is the answer is the same answer that this person's already figured out how to talk to their clients as far as the advice on how do I lose 50 pounds or how do I get in shape. And it is the slower, more gradual process is the healthier,

the better, the smarter way. The same thing goes for the health of your business. Instead of being so focused on acquisition, oh, good point. It's more focused on retention. And that, and unfortunately, we live in this social media era of... It's so funny, right? He's making the same mistake as people are doing.

Exactly. How can I build my business faster? Exactly. It's the same exact, so the same exact place. And the reason why we've had success is because we didn't do it overnight. We didn't do the challenges. We didn't do the before and after.

And it's a good question. And so it's taken a really long time to accumulate the mass and the success that this business has had. Now, but the beauty is we're not going away any time soon. And that's what's cool about when you do it, the slower, better, smarter way, just like with your clients in their fitness goals, it's more sustainable. They're going to be around here long term. It's going to be a lifestyle. The same thing goes for your business. And by the way, there's all kinds of business gurus out there, they're gonna pitch you on funnel hacks

and challenges and how to make 10 grand in a month. And all these things, they're gonna give you all these gimmicks to try and get you to build or scale your business. But the truth is, back to Justin's point, focus on your craft. Be a good trainer, get better at you. The few clients that you do have, service the shit out of them and focus on retaining them because those people will go out and tell other people This is the reason why we are terrible at actually marketing our fitness programs

The reason why we do really well is because the people that go through them that listen to the podcast see Major changes in their life and they go tell five people and then if those five people three the podcast, see major changes in their life and they go tell five people. And then if those five people, three of those people see major changes and go tell five more people. And when you compile that over years and thousands of episodes that we've done this, now we've got a serious business on our hands. The same thing goes for you.

It's just a slower, more gradual process. Yeah, what a great example. Yeah. Literally, he's asking the same question. And he's following for the same thing that he's clanced from. What are great examples? Yeah. Literally, he's asking the same question, and he's following for the same thing that his clients find. That's great. Next question is from the FitLife lawyer.

Sal and Adam have mentioned both having ADHD and how it's been both a struggle and an asset in their business life. Do you have any strategies or tips for someone dealing with it in navigating relationships and business projects? I see that again,. I was paying attention. He's not so diagnosed.

No, I got a real diagnosed. He has a real eye. I have self. I don't know if I am. I'm not. But I think I feel like you. I feel like you have to see. You're probably right.

You're probably right. You're probably right. You're probably right. You work with me. You work with me. You work with me. You work with me. You work with me. Yeah, no, I do. You're probably right. You work with the industry. I do.

I mean, here's the first of all, I think there's two things. Relationships and business projects, I feel like, have a little bit different advice on how you would handle ADHD. The business project one, this goes back to what I, I say all the time, is what I thought was a single best advice that anyone ever gave me in business, which was, stop focusing on all the things that I'm not good at, focus on the thing that I'm already good at and be fucking great. That piece of advice, because if you do have ADHD, you get distracted really easy, and

when someone's telling you, you're not good at this, you're not good at that, you start your scatterbrain, squirrel, squirrel, or the place, one of the things that is good about HD is that when you do get locked in on something, you get super locked in. Yeah, that everything else goes away. So you know it's easy, it's the lock in on the thing that you're good at.

So lock in on what you're good at and be fucking great, double, triple down at that and become a master at whatever that thing is and don't stress so much on all the other things. Out source. The data, by the way, shows that I think it's close to 80% of entrepreneurs would qualify as being diagnosed on that spectrum of ADHD. And that's not the normal population. ADHD does not make up 80% population.

So there's a self-selection bias essentially. So now you ask yourself, what is it that makes entrepreneurs entrepreneurs? Well, first off, they like autonomy. They're risk takers, ADHD, the theory around it and why we have it in the first place is it probably evolved as a way to get people to take risks, to seek out novelty, to hyper focus.

These are all potential strengths. All right, what are the weaknesses? Disorganized, you can be very disorganized, you can be very careful, you can be distracted. So what are these successful entrepreneurs with ADHD do? They hire people to do this shit they don't like to do. That's a fact, like that's it. Like, you hire people to do this stuff that you suck at.

If you're disorganized, hire someone to do your organization. If you suck at your scheduling, hire people to do this stuff that you suck at if you're disorganized hire someone to do your organization If you suck at your scheduling hire someone to do your scheduling and like Adam said if you're good at the thing that you're good at do that Because nobody's gonna do that better than the new are now as far as relationships are This is a tough one. Yeah, the more your partner understands what this form of neurodivergence is kind of category, what it entails, the less likely they are to take it personal when you forget things or you all of a sudden

they're talking you halfway through the while they're talking to you, it seems I cannot pay attention anymore or you go off or you forgot what they said or whatever. And it could be, people can take a personal, like you don't care about me, you're not paying attention. I've asked you this 17 times, like what's going on? Why can't you just do this thing?

So I would encourage you to have your partner learn about this so they could kind of understand it. And then also understand your strengths. There are positives and negatives to something like this. There are for most things. So even more importantly, and I think, I think so you're to something like this. There are for most things. Even more importantly, and I think, I think, so you're really good at this.

And so I think this is important advice than having your partner go do their own homework is that it's communicating it. I think you do an owning it. You do a really good job of owning the flaws that come with ADHD, right? Like, he doesn't try and mask it or pretend like he's not, you know, like that, I think that's the mistake

that I think someone has. That's the end yourself. Like there's an ongoing joke on the podcast, right? That I always talk about how South can't be in a meeting for more than five, that's a true story. Like he literally can't sit in a meeting for more than five, 10 minutes before. He's spinning his fingers or he's on his phone

or he's doing something else. And if you didn't know that he has that, it would be really frustrating. And if you didn't admit it and has that, it would be really frustrating. And if you didn't admit it and own it, be like, I'm man, I'm really bad. I'm so sorry, you guys know I'm really bad. And so we've learned to try and work around that. God bless your God.

Versus getting frustrated, Matt. And a lot of the reason why that is, is purely the ownership of it. Because if you didn't take ownership of it and you denied it, or you acted a lot, or you got defensive about it, then it would be a major problem. So if you are this way and you know that or you acted a lot or you got defensive about it. Yes. Then it would be a major problem. So if you are this way and you know

that you have these flaws and because of these, you get distracted when you're talking to your friends or your wife or whatever it may be, like you got to own it, don't get defensive and you got to be able to communicate to them, like I'm sorry, like this is one of my weaknesses. I would be honest, here's what I was doing, here's what my mind was, I got all these things going on.

That's been a constant thing. My relationship I've had to learn how to openly verbalize, it's not just living in my head, and I'm going and doing my tasks like I could normally do. That's where I get hyper focused. It's like I just bury myself in it. I don't want anybody else that I need to explain anything to. So it's just like acknowledging what your tendencies are with that and being more vocally

Communicating with your partner and and again Being successful helps Once you get to that point I'm sorry. I wasn't paying attention Here's another one too like with you, because obviously we're all partners, is when the opportunity arises for me to be able to do the thing that I know I'm good at, it goes back to the end of that. I really take pride in doing that thing because now I can contribute, right?

Because I know I don't contribute in certain areas because it's just very hard frustrating, whatever doesn't work. But then when it's time for me to do the thing that I know that I do well, I'm so excited to be able to step up and contribute in that way. I think it works for relationships. No, that's great.

That's great piece of advice right there because there's gonna be examples in your home where you're terrible at. You can get distracted, left, right, or what I thought. And you gotta be able to communicate that to your wife or your partner. And the things that you are good at, letting her, her, him know that listen,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna carry this for us. I know I'm really bad when you ask me to do these things. And I'm gonna keep working on trying to be better for that. But what I want, what I am gonna commit to you and promise you is that like, I know this is an area that you don't like to do or that I'm really good at or something like that. And I'm gonna really carry it and like letting them know that like, I know this is an area that you don't like to do or that I'm really good at or something like that and I'm going to really carry it

and letting them know that and then doing that, right? And then taking pride in knowing that like, okay, listen, this is something that, this is how I make up for my inability to do X, Y and Z because I get distracted. I will say this, though, some strategies that can help that I have identified for myself and I've read about and I think this is kind of somewhat across the board

is create routines. Routines can be practiced and it can help you to not forget. So, you know, I do this first thing in the morning and I do this thing and then my keys always go here. My keys always always go here and if I don't, if I have in my hand, I don't put them down unless I can put them down. Right there, I always do this thing right before I go to bed. Exercise helps a lot, diet helps a lot, sleep helps a lot. The worst my health gets, the harder everything else gets along those lines. So good health, regardless of your situation always makes things a lot better. Look, if you love our show and you're a trainer, Look, if you love our show and you're a trainer, if you're a coach or a trainer,

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