Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2224: The Ideal Body Fat to Build Muscle as a Woman, How to Address Body Parts That Seem Out of Proportion, Training Tips for Endurance Athletes Who Want to Maintain or Build Muscle & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 9, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach three Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you’re going to train to failure, do it the RIGHT way. (1:53) LMNT is ‘tasty’ water. (11:28) A hack when it comes to consuming nuts. (14:50) Swollen faces and the highlights from their episode with Jordan Peterson. (16:50) Elon Musk stands by his principles. (21:51) Mark Cuban for President? (28:23) The small community of billionaires. (38:32) If Mind Pump were billionaires, what would they purchase? (44:00) Multi-vitamin use is associated with longevity. (52:07) Shout out to Jeff Zenisek. (55:27) #ListenerLive question #1 - For someone competitive but also wants to keep my muscle being 60, what MAPS programs would you recommend for the different times in my season? (56:33) #ListenerLive question #2 - What would be the optimal range, body fat percentage-wise, for women? (1:11:53) #ListenerLive question #3 - How do you recommend I train if my legs are so much more dominant than my upper body? (1:23:43)  Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** December Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength | MAPS OCR 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #2217: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Elon Musk Has a Warning for Disney The Real Reason Mark Cuban Is Exiting Shark Tank–And Maybe The Mavericks Elon Musk – Book by Walter Isaacson Jay-Z's Net Worth and Businesses, as the Rapper Gives Rare Interview With CBS Can a daily multivitamin slow cognitive aging? Maybe | CNN Visit Hiya for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump #1845: How To Do Cardio & Not Lose Muscle Mind Pump #1565: Why Women Should Bulk Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Elon Musk (@ElonMusk) Twitter Mark Cuban (@mcuban) Twitter Vivek Ramaswamy (@vivekgramaswamy) Twitter Dave Ramsey (@daveramsey) Instagram Jeff Zenisek (@jeffzenisek) Instagram Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (@drgabriellelyon) Instagram  

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And then maps, obstacle course racing, OCR is also 50% off. If you're interested in either one, go to mapsfitnisproducts.com and then use the code December 50 for that discount. All right, here comes the show. Here's some old wisdom. One in doubt, pull out, hold on, I'm talking about exercise here. Look, there's training to technical failure and then there's training to absolute failure. We do not advocate for training to absolute failure. What is that? That's when you lift the weight to the point where you can't even move it anymore. Here's what happens with that. Your form will break down and what you train is what you strengthen. So you want bad recruitment patterns, you want higher chance of injury, then trained absolute failure. Otherwise trained to technical failure. What does that mean?

The last rep you do is the last one you feel like you could do with perfect form that will serve you much better. So if you're going to train to failure, do it the right way. Awesome. We will build a monetize this one. Yeah. So I understand. Train the main thing. Like if you do the set and you doubt it, you gotta pull it up. Yeah, I see.

I made the connection there after the fact of intensity. Price dug, didn't pull the plug on the whole thing. No, I tried. I tried. I'm putting right there. Socites this morning ideas. I don't know, do you have a sense? I'm a little bit caffeine in some of these.

But I do find that this is one of those things that we have to say over and over. And I know that because I feel like I even myself, I have a tendency to want to do that, to write a train. I still to this day probably train to fill you more than I need to because there's something about that addiction to wanting to feel sore or to take it to the limit and be like,

I thought I'd assume by the momentum, what you're doing, and you just keep going. And do you guys think it's more, do you think it's a man thing more than it is? Like a woman, you think, I feel like, oh, I do. Now, maybe with women, I, I've you ever seen a woman do cardio to failure? I have. Oh, okay, so Now, maybe with weights. I feel like with women, I, I've Have you ever seen a woman do cardio to failure?

I have. Oh, okay. So you're gonna use that. It's just about weights right now. Yeah, I don't think it's because guys, that's a big thing. I want to get big. Yeah.

I always felt like with with my female clients, I always, they were some of my female clients were my most technical best form clients. Yeah. I have, I had more women that could perfect a beautiful squat or deadlift than I did a man. And a lot of times I think, or I attribute that to they were always, they were very meticulous

about the detail of the form technique and they would always lean on the, I'd rather be light and safe and smart than to stretch myself too much. And I'd always had to kind of encourage them to, oh, you could do more. I could tell you could do more. No, you're right. But my to kind of encourage them to, oh, you could do more. I could tell you could do more. No, you're my man.

It was just like, oh, I could put more. I'm like, no, that first one was pretty good. You should know, that first one was bad, bro. We shouldn't do anymore. Well, there's also like, there's a bias with training. More women hire trainers than men do. And I think it's just, you know, it's like that. What's that old adage, like, you know,

pull over and ask for directions? You have to do that anymore these days, because asking for help, I mean. GPS, yeah. So, but I did this, right? Well, I would go to, I thought going to failure and I got this from reading, like my research. I study, I support this.

Yeah, and what happens is look, fatigue is, the op is literally the enemy of technique and form. Fatigue will crush, I don't care how great your technique and form is, when fatigue starts to set in, your technique is not going to be as good. That's a fact with anything that you do, okay? So if you're going to the point where you can't move anymore, what ends up happening is that last rep or two, you're now strengthening a pattern or a movement or the way you're doing the movement in a way that's less than optimal. And then that's what you end up strengthening. That's what ends up becoming your default pattern.

So if you have this slight twist, you know, I'll use an example, that's obvious and easy to see. You're bench pressing and you use that kind of failure and the bar stuck and you're like, you just keep pushing because you gotta do that absolutely. And then your body starts to twist a little bit and you start to move a little bit and then you fail, what you're strengthening

is this twisting pressing motion, which is not proper technique or form. And this is when things start to get bad. Yeah, no, I think it's more than just that too. I can't remember what I was gonna say though. I was gonna tell you how. Waiting for you to finish your studies. Oh, I could fry the hell out of your studies.

No, no, no, no, no, it's the problem with the studies, that the studies that support failure training is not realistic to what real life is for the average person. You take a six to 12 week study to prove that failure training gets X amount of growth or potential strength out of it. What you're not factoring in is that the average person has these ups and downs of energy, sleep,

hydration, proper nutrition, and it's like all these things are adding in the stress bucket. Okay, and when you, and training to failure is way more stressed than just training period. Training period is already a stress. And then training to failure is way more stress. Right. And if you add that with somebody who is also lacking sleep for the last three days, or they're a little bit like they didn't get their calorie intake

or they're just frustrated with work. That changes that outcome of that study, but that's not how that study works. That study's very controlled. It's like, oh, really? Sure. And the athletes already have built a base too and so it's not like an average person.

They don't have any of the prerequisites going into it. You have to build up your body quite a bit to be able to handle, you know, going to that degree of intensity. It's not necessary. It's all, it's typically too much. But even if you look at, you look, you brought up those studies, 12 week studies, 15 week studies.

In the context of, I want to try to work out for the rest of my life, or let's just shorten it. In the context of five years, okay, Matt, who decides they're gonna work out for 12 weeks and then stop? I don't think anybody starts that way. Everybody, that happens because people quit, but when people start to use tell them, oh, so you plan on totally quitting after 12 weeks?

They'll say, no, I want to keep doing this. So if we look at the context of how long you're gonna be doing this for, that kind of all-out intensity sprint will fail. It's like looking at a run and saying, run 50 yards. Well, the person who's gonna do it the best as the person who's gonna run the fastest and the hardest, you make that a 50 mile run,

the person who tries to sprint out the gates, right, so they're gonna fall down, they're gonna hurt themselves and I can be able to complete the race. So it is beneficial in short bursts, if you do it properly, if you do it appropriately, if it's right for your body, there's lots of caveats here. But in the short bursts, yeah, just like they did that one study

that showed where they took a group of people and they added volume every week. And I think it was, I wanna say a 15 week study. At the end of the study, the group that did 52 sets per body part had the best results. Okay, keep doing 52 sets. He's watching. It'll start to go backwards.

It'll start to go backwards. It'll start to go backwards. But it was a short sprint. And this is how you should train your body. 90% of the time you're cruising and you're training properly and you're taking care of yourself. 10% of the time when you feel good, all the stars aligned, everything looks perfect, diet, sleep, supplements,

the memory. The best. The best. They know sprint. There's a good golf analogy here. Like if you've ever tried a golf with people that know how to golf and you're trying to learn how to golf, a lot of times they will recommend to you to like just use like your seven iron and not use the driver and just and just play with that because it's an easy iron to hit and it's kind of safe. There's

not a lot of room for air. You're not gonna crush it way left or way right like you can with a driver. Drivers way more consistency. Yeah, left or way, right? Like you can with a driver. Drivers way more consistency. Yeah, drivers way more technical. But the nothing is gonna send a golf ball further than a driver. If you hit that hard and sweet and just right, that thing will go fine.

But it's like very, very technical. And you're skill, and many times you'll play way better. And I've done this where I've played rounds. I'm like, I just am not gonna play with my driver. I'm just gonna play with my irons. Because the slide is hitting your swing and it's going to go exponentially further to the left or right. Exactly.

So I beat you guys at talk golf. And I feel this is true. I feel like I feel like failure training is like that, right? Of course, a driver in golf is necessary at the elite levels to to beat everybody else. But for the average person who is just kind of figuring the game out, playing it safe and smart, trust me, you'll probably play a lot better, get way better results, win a lot of matches just by playing smart and safe. And then over time, you will learn how to use that throttle down

or use that driver. Well, what's the most, I don't know golf, but what's the most used iron in golf? Is it the driver? Like a seven. No, no, I am. So even with them, they're not using this, I don't know golf, but what's the most used iron in golf? Is it the driver? Like the seven? No, no, I am. So even with them, they're not using this club that blastable.

They're even using that in a small percentage of time. Most of the game, they're using other tools. Right, right? So it's the same thing. That's right. That's why it's a good analogy because you obviously wouldn't use a driver, nobody would use, even a professional, but you use it at every, every, you tee off.

Yeah. Almost every time unless you have a very, that's your sprint. Yeah, and so again, if you, the room for air with something like that is what makes me think of that analogy, the same thing goes for failure, it's like, and you can absolutely play your best golf that you've ever played and never use it. I feel like the same thing goes for training results.

You can see incredible results and never have that. I feel like the same thing goes for training results. You can see incredible results and never have used training to failure. No, in fact, most of my clients, I told them never go to failure. That was the vast majority. The ones that I'd teach that I would talk or teach how to use failure were at the level where they, it would be appropriate occasionally.

And they had been training consistently, their form was good. They knew how to get to technical failure and not beyond, which takes some time applying it beforehand before all those things. It won't get you there any faster if anything will get you there a lot slower. But again, I want to use that analogy of top golf when we play because anywhere, anyway, you can insert.

You guys just want to remind everybody, you guys were blasting, they don't, I just kept, you know, it's a little in the, you know, the first hole. Yeah, you're going for a little in the, you know, the first hole. We were going for the hole. Yeah, it's the difference. I had a partner question. I know I saw that we had a element T today.

And I know that you have had your son using it. I try to get Max to do it. And you can't put a lot, how much did you put? Oh, so I put like half a packet in there. No, bro, and what? In like his water. That's too little. That's like concentrate.

Holy shit. So little bodies in the, so what did you use? I put, so I'll take the packet, and he's got little sippy cup, and now literally sprinkle enough to give him some of the taste and a little bit of the stuff. Oh, okay, you're good.

Otherwise, it's way strong. Oh, okay. Yeah, because he's a little, a little body. Yeah, that's like, all the same way. That's why I didn't think of the whole thing, obviously, but I mean, I didn't think that you're barely sprinkling anything. Oh, yeah, just, I. Yeah, because he's a little little body. Yeah, that's like all the same. That's why I didn't think of the whole thing, obviously, but I mean, I didn't think that you're barely sprinkling anything.

Oh, yeah, just, I had to, I mean, because that's what I'll do. I'll put a little, and you know what he calls it? He calls it tasty water. So he says, hey, mom, can you give me tasty water? So we know that's why I just need a water way down. And maybe he won't notice what, so does he do that still on a regular basis?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we give him just a little bit. And if we, for outside and the heat and in the sun, then I'll more consistently put it, because you know, you know, three year olds, they'll run until they can't move anymore. Yeah.

And he'll just be sweating. So I'll put a little bit of it. Well, I mean, it makes sense too, because I know you guys are like us, like you don't do a lot of processed foods for him at all. So he's getting mostly whole foods. No, we don't drink any, he doesn't drink anything except for water

and occasionally, That's max. macadamia not milk. And what we'll do is his mom gets a much a lot of days from Starbucks and he's like always one some of it obviously not going to give it to him because it's got caffeine. I love that I kept the juices and stuff away from him for as long as I did because now there's been times where someone's like offered it and he he take it's just way too sweet. Yeah. He'll take, he gets this like weird look on his face. Yeah. Even my kid will have some water.

I'm like, he likes it for two sips and he's done. Yeah. But we do macadamia in a milk and then Jessica has this like organic green food coloring and she'll warm it up and, you know, warm it up and then she'll put a couple drops mix it and he thinks it's a matcha. That is something that Max does. So I know we don't have an organic commercial today, but that is something that Max does is

the green juice is the he does like the green juice. So she Katrina makes that for him and shares it with him all the time, but I haven't got them on the on the element. Yeah, like a half packet for when the kids like compete in like gymnastics and the put it in one of those like a Yeti, you know, like, so size with the water. But it, and it's great because like,

they're out there like, really like rigorously competing in their bodies like, you know, definitely, um, benefit. When I was a kid working with my dad in the summers in the, in the heat, mixing cement, carrying the buckets and sweating like crazy, I think I told you guys this before, but oftentimes my dad would add salt to his water and

he would put something. I can't remember the name of it. It's this weird, it's alcohol. It's got alcohol on it, but it's this weird drink. I don't know what it's made of. Maybe you could look it up, Doug. I think it's spelled ANICA. Some fermented.

Look up ANICA water, know goes in water or something like that He put like a few drops in the water and we would drink it and it was very refreshing and then for lunch We always had we always had Some kind of salty deli meat. You know what else you would always say. I feel so good. It's because of the so you know I'll say but he always had which I think is so interesting because I never thought about this until right now is I mean It's kind of like that, but it's, it's a and I see E or A. I don't know. I would be willing to bet that more than 50% of all sunflower seed

purchases come from contractors. Oh, God. Crushed them in little league based on players. Yes, but they put the whole, all of them. I mean, that's what I would do. When I did construction, how funny is is that it's like you naturally just gravitate to that you know your your body is here's an example of your body signaling to you it needs more salt and needs more sodium because you're

working outside in the sun all the time. Why why else is like almost every contractor have a bag of sunflower seeds in his truck. I mean that was that was at least that was a staple. Yeah in my time of like working with my dad when I was a kid, like that, everybody had sunflower seeds and you chewed on sunflower seeds all day long. It's just like something to do. I know. Well, which was, yeah, the appeal to it for sure. Isn't that funny?

I know. It's got to be something. Do they do this? I'm sure they do with you guys, do they throw all one plus of seeds in there. Yeah. Delicious. I still eat them like that. Yeah, I love them.

I love sunflower seeds. I don't know how healthy they are. They're a squirrel pouch. Speaking of big old skull pouch. I mean, it's a seed. It's still fat. But I, you know what? Because you're because they're in the seed. I mean, and the and the shell. You're not over consumed. Yeah, you're not over consumed. If you ate like already, you ever get them shelled? Yeah, you crushed. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's just I think that's just a good like saying the pistachios. It's such a dangerous thing to eat nuts or a dick. You were meant to have to crack the shell and eat individual one.

They're so high on fat and calories that if you get bags, that was like one of the worst things they ever did. Same thing with peanuts. Those things are dangerous. It's too fast. If you were just grabbing handfuls and throwing your mouth and you're not having to crack,

you see just simply, I mean, talk about learning about creating barriers for yourself to regulate. By nuts that you have to shell. Yes, 100%. Huge difference. Actually, that's a tradition. That's like a traditional one of the last courses that we'll have for dinners as people bring out nuts

and they'll bring out nut crackers. Yeah. And they're always walnuts or even almonds or anything in the shell and you have to crack them and you eat them yourself. And you eat weightless. Weightless. Yeah. And they're always walnuts or even almonds or anything and they're in the shell and you have to crack them and get them yourself and you eat weightless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also anyway, I have to talk about what I was going to transition this over because you know how you would just put like half the packet in your cheeks and all that reminded me of the Jordan Pierce. Oh, you dick. Oh, yeah. You probably look so close. I don't know why.

Hold on a second, bro. Why? You guys always make fun of my face. I don't understand how to, why are faces look so big? Oh my God, it looked terrible. It happened. I lived like I got punched in the face. That's it.

And he was swollen. What happened to us? It wasn't a lighting. I was like, I think it was, he's, No, it wasn't the angle. You know what it was?

Is, is we were traveling like crazy. We had been to London for how long? 10 days, then we were into Florida, then we went to Arizona. I'd been eating, never shoot me like that again. I never shoot you that way, man. It wasn't me. It's always you. Hold on, it's always you.

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And I'm like, I see it, I see it, I go, oh fuck. First I think it's, I see sound. I'm like, damn, so it looks like that. Then I see, you mean I'm like, oh my god. I see Justin, I'm like, Justin looks healthy good. I'm like, I'm just pondering. Like the whole time just like, no one says anything. I find myself like, bro, our faces, I'm like, man, I'm Jesus, I'm just pondering. And the whole time just like, no one says anything. I find myself like, bro, our faces,

I was like, man, I'm gonna say anything. But boy, we look bad. So funny, because I thought I got the shaft because I had to like sit right next to him. You know, and you guys are on the other side. Man, I got the worst seat. That is not my good seat. Some of the clips that they would do,

like he would be talking and we're listening. I know. And they would show us listening. I know people, do you see Bill making fun of that too. Yeah, yeah, people on our Instagram were like, the boys when Jordan Peterson talks in, so the lips emoji with the eyes. Yeah.

Yeah, big eyes and just like pondering. Yeah. But that's the thing, you get lost. I mean, it's, I haven't even listened to it. Have you guys ever thought of doing something? Yeah, I've either one of you listen to it. I listened to it. It's one of the ones I actually wanted to listen to.

Half of it. You did? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, I like listening. I mean, I always like listening to stuffy asses. I mean't heard him say already, but the comment about Twitter when I asked him to do something. I don't think there was anything he said that I haven't heard him say already, but the comment about Twitter when I asked him to do something. I don't think there was anything he said that I haven't heard him say already, but the comment about Twitter, when I asked him about, he also made you, Elon Musk and taking over Twitter. And if you got that kind of blew my mind.

His take on, he basically said he doesn't think there's a way to make it, it's not salvageable. So that it doesn't, you know, it's not toxic. It's impossible. I just, I never read, like, there's a lot of stuff right now, right? Left to right, you know, the, the left is censoring this. Oh, the right. There's all these crazy people on there. And it's like, there's, you know, they're, we're dividing everybody. And it's, it's the other side's fault why this, these media platforms are awful. And the truth is, after listening to him talk,

it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the most balanced, right to left, neutral person controls this thing. It's set up for failure. It's set up in a way that doesn't mirror the way we interact socially and how we evolve. It takes out the natural, the high-lights analysis, the psychopath what because that's what it does yeah in

real louder voice in the real world that blow anybody else's mind that blue that all the things he said I that was like oh no why never thought of 100% in the way explain it was perfect because the real world has built in checks and balances yes because those own exist on social media platforms there's nothing you could do. Because in the real world, you would never walk up to strangers and comment on something that they said. No.

In a way that could get you punched in the face or claws, some kind of whatever. You're not an anonymous encyclopathy or much easier to pick out when you exchange ideas with them and talk with them in real life. It's harder on the internet. And now that, and even if you started to sense that, you would disassociate.

That's right. So it wouldn't even be allowed to be in the circle to even comment and say anything at that. So it really just... Or how many times this happened to you in real life? Never. Where somebody walks up to you and goes, Hey, what's your opinion on this thing?

You're like, I don't know. Hey, everybody, he doesn't want to say anything. Screw this guy. He's bad. He worked in a bar for years, right? Like the biggest thing was, like, you don't know. Hey, everybody, he doesn't want to say anything. Screw this guy. He's been worked in a bar for years, right? Like the biggest thing was, like, you don't bring up politics, you don't bring up religion, you don't bring up death. Like there's just certain things that you're just like,

you don't talk about that socially and engage in that because it just creates conflict and everybody has a terrible time. And everybody knows that. In this, this, like, new sort of way that people like talk and interact with each other is just terrible time. And everybody knows that. In this new sort of way that people like talk and interact with each other is just bullshit. It is and highlights a lot of insanity. Speaking of which, I have to say,

probably the most epic interview I've ever seen in my entire life was Elon and his interview with The New York Times. Yeah, I don't know the guy, I don't know the guy. I don't know the man. Okay. Who's a refreshing, but damn, I love him. I mean, to say what he said to stand by his principal.

Literally, he said, oh, they want to blackmail me for money. Go fuck yourself. He goes, says, go fuck yourself. And the, the, my favorite part of the year, poor troll, bro, was so awkward. The reporter froze. And then he literally looks at the audience and he clarifies, go fuck yourself,

I was done. He's like, Bob, I know you're out there. Yeah, I was done. And he made a very good point that there's another thing that he said that I think got overshadowed by that. That means you're more important. He said, more people want to look like they're doing good

and do evil than actually do good. And he says, people I say fuck you. Yeah. And I love that man. We need people who stand by principle, especially people with influence and power. Well, he is the reason why I asked that question

to Peter and Fick, I believe I framed it that way of like, hey, now that Elon Musk is taking over Twitter, you have, you know, and up into that point, I did have some belief that, oh man, I think if someone could make this a better platform is gonna be Elon and I think it'll be great and I'm on that side of like it being better than what it was before.

Of course, I know that there's half this audience that's probably disagrees with that. But now I don't even, I don't agree with that. I don't think it's possible. I think after what the points that Jordan made, I think that, and to me, what that highlighted was, it was just more confirmation of why I need to be on it and less, is that it's no matter what,

it's worthless. You can try and, you know, we talked about this the other day about the algorithm, feed the algorithm better stuff, and it's like at the end of the day, you just can't control the toxicity on this thing, because it doesn't. You can mitigate it, but it ain't gonna change.

Yeah, you can make it a little bit better, but it's still an awful place because of those reasons. It doesn't have the natural checks and balances. Yeah, I agree. And what's the, to go back to that interview, what's crazy is that first of all, the way he positions certain things, so he doesn't bow down to these massive corporations.

He says, screw you, he calls out Bob by name, and then he says, we'll let Earth decide. We'll let people decide. There'll be the judge. And he said, well, what'll happen to X? And he goes, it'll fail. It'll bankrupt. And it'll be because of them. And he goes and the world would decide who's right here. Have you guys seen what's happened since then? There's been thousands of people who have been posting that they're canceling their subscription services to these platforms. Disney, Paramount, they're basically putting out and saying, we're going to boycott these companies because we support what you're doing. Well, I saw some crazy business owners.

Was that Cardone? Yeah. Who was like, yeah, I'm going to actively sponsor and add, like for ad money into Twitter to support, you know, this sort of move. Obviously, a disconnect in there. So because I saw I saw the response right to that. And it sounds like or what he said was that his the the X was trying to tell Cardone that they didn't think that his content would do well on there because of other sponsors.

And so it sounds like he's tried to advertise with them. So even, I mean, that's a hard part about a massive company like that, even Elon who has his vision forward of what he wants to do. There's still people underneath there that are running it. Yeah, that are running these, these day to day operations that he's probably like, 10 people disconnected from that doesn't even know that they're turning down. I, I, I'm thankful for him buying X because it was, this is by this, that controversial anymore. It's clear, we know this.

These social media platforms are being told what they should and shouldn't center, what censor, what they should, shouldn't allow. There's narratives that are pushed for sure. By the way, I'm not an expert in most fields, but I will consider myself pretty damn knowledgeable about fitness and health. And I will say this, lots of disinformation and misinformation is put out on social media platforms. And it's obviously a narrative. They're obviously doing it for a reason. And it's not to make you healthier. So I can't, it's not hard for me to imagine it's happening in other arenas. And then again, we have evidence. The Twitter file showed that the FBI CIA came in

and said, no, you're doing this to that, censor these people, put these people forward. There was definitely a slant in one direction. So just for balance sake, I'm glad that he bought that. Otherwise, it's like, one narrative and that's it. And you see YouTube already doing that with like all the medical advice has to come from MDs. It can't come from any alternative source.

The algorithm will now put alternative medicine at the bottom. Yeah. So you look up information on anything that is regarding health and if it's considered alternative. Instead of letting the consumer like figure all that out for themselves, like it's like we got big daddy coming in to scrub everything for you. Let me see. Here's what that pisses me off.

There's a lot of crap in alternative medicine. There's also a lot of crap in accepted, you know, establishment Western medicine as well, okay? But I'll just give you an example. I remember when I used to own, I owned a studio, a wellness studio for a long time. So I started it when I was 24 or five. So we're talking over almost 20 years ago. And I already had somebody in there

that was very on the cutting edge of wellness, okay? And she used to talk about leaky gut syndrome. And I trained doctors who would come in and when she wasn't looking, I'm not around, they would look at me and go, oh, they would roll their eyes and go, this mumbo jumbo, woohoo crap, it's gonna hurt people, it's bullshit.

What the hell is leaky gut syndrome? There's no such thing. Making fun of this term. ago, this mumbo jumbo woohoo crap, it's gonna hurt people, it's bullshit. What the hell is leaky gut syndrome? There's no such thing. Making fun of this term. Well, Western medicine now, later, they call it, you know, intestinal wall hyperpermobility because it's a real thing. They made fun of food intolerances. If you brought up the microbiome 25 years ago, okay, Paul Chek would do this.

Actually, he did this 30 years ago. He would talk about the microbiome, how important the microbiome is. He would get laughed out of rooms. Doctors called him a quack. Don't listen to him. He's gonna hurt you and you'd say, no, antibiotics are harming your microbiome.

That's not good for you. And they say, you're stupid, that's dumb. That was alternative medicine, okay? So without all this information, the good and the bad, we're gonna end up figuring things out way too late. So we need that. And them being like only the official approved, by whatever agency information is what we're gonna put out there.

Like you're gonna set yourself up for some WHO, did a great job. Yeah, that's cool. So far. Yeah. Have you guys heard the rumors about Mark Cuban might be putting his hat in the ring for running for president? No way. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I don't know if it's Andrew. Did you hear that at all? Did you know that you see what he just did? No, I just saw that

he sold most of his shares from. Yes. He sold. And that's the reason. So the rumor is that's why he's money. So he's yeah, he sold, he sold his majority shares, but by the way, take a shot and guess, look it up for me so I can get the year because I don't know what year he purchased the Mavericks. He's had him for a while now. I think he's had him for about a decade. Guess how much he bought him for and guess how much he just sold him for. Zero idea. Not even a guess. I don't know what they cost. He bought it in 2000. Oh, we bought it in 2000. We bought it for $100 million.

And I sold it for a billion. So 285. Correct. So it's right. It's a 3.5 billion. Wow. 3.5 billion. Yes.

Wow. I did not see that in that crazy. I tell you what, I don't like anybody running for presidents or a bit of a self-selection bias for probably a bit of a self-selection bias for probably a bit of a psychopathic narcissist. However, I would, I think if you were to just compare consistently over time, I think a self-made billionaire is probably gonna do a better job

than a career politician. Come on, serious? I know, I think that's close. I'm trying to be politically clear. Yeah, come on, dude. I mean, I think career politicians,. I'm trying to be politically accurate. Come on, dude. I mean, I think career politicians, I mean, I'm not even a fan, I'm not the big, I actually, I like Mark Cuban for a lot,

I like Mark Cuban for a lot of his business and basketball wisdom and stuff like that. I'm not a big fan of some of his ideas, but still, I'm more pro him than a lot of the other candidates that we've seen that we've seen. Like somebody who's had to work in the business world who's had to build companies self-made, who has to deal with profit and loss,

pissing people, I've been building, I was a Ross Pro fan, dude. Yeah, I mean, I just, I, I remember, do you remember this campaign? We were young, dude. Yeah, I was young, but I do remember, I remember having enough wisdom that like, then why, that America is like a giant business.

Shouldn't we have like a really good business person in mind? Dude, he, he went. Took a lot of the vote, right? He, he actually gave, he, you know, of course one side says he's the reason why the other side won. Of course. But I remember he put out commercials

that he funded himself and he'd have these big charts. Yeah. And he was educating the public. I remember, and I remember as a kid watching this coin. Huh. I like this guy. Yeah, what was it educating the public. I remember I remember as a kid watching this coin. Oh, I like this guy Yeah, what was it where you had that's exactly? Well, infomercial that he just like stopped it. That's what attracted me I remember him breaking breaking down the budget. Here's how much risk. Yes. How's it much? Yep

And I'm like a man. I never see one do that. That's like magical A lot of says we should run the country this way. I like this guy. Yeah, that's all I had to stand on I just see like six times now that, you know, the intelligence agency failed their audit, but they come on. There's also more to this, like in order to be, in order to reach the level of financial success is like a Mark Cuban with that many companies,

with that many employees, the like leadership, that's a leadership. You're proving it. Yeah, and you didn't get put into it, and now you're a senator. Like you had to build it. You had to create it. You had to navigate the hard times,

the good times, the like, when people want tons of money from you, working with people you don't like to work with. I mean, God, there's so many. You have to build attributes. You have to make deals. You have to build bridges to work with people, and then figure out how to outmaneuver them

and work with different markets and work internationally. Right. Mark Cuban, Elon Musk, like, these billionaires that are self-made, they've worked, bet more deals internationally than any of these politicians. Just through business. They've had to go work in all these other countries

to build business. I would imagine there's a little bit of Less enticemen in terms of being persuaded by money from outside Influors too, right? Well, just that's like a Elon's point right? Yeah, you're gonna try and bribe me with money You try to bribe a fuck off Politicians that's how he make my oh no Somebody did a post when less billion now Someone did a post where,

by the way, do you guys know he lives like, apparently he just doesn't, he lives very, doesn't have a home. He's always moving around and sleeping with us. I've read that. Is that real? Yeah, no, I told you in his book, in this book, I told you guys about his car, right?

Remember that was like his first big purchase. And then after that, like he really, I think I remember reading that he bought a big home at one point and I think he sold it and then since then he's been like kind of... Well I have a personal sort of story of that and it's one of my clients that actually she went from, I think it was Apple over to Tesla and started working for Tesla and she was working there at the plant and they just opened the plant here in the Silicon Valley

and in order to launch it like he literally was there all day or all. I for them to like live there. And then slept in the office for like months. Just he was in, everybody knew he was in there and he was just there sleeping. Just to make sure like everything went according to plan. Do you guys remember the movie Gladiator where I don't remember, what's the Russell Crowe?

He was like the general, right? And the emperor feared him. Yeah. like the general right and the emperor feared him Yeah, because the soldiers get the influence or all they saw him put himself out in the line and they saw him doing like that's it That's what a good leader does and these career politicians just fake it's funny though because so fake Because we demonize billionaires so much now that I actually think that more people hate billionaires more than they hate politicians. It's crazy to me. You know, that's crazy. You know why it's crazy not feeling that sentiment of course, you know, be people that just because we're talking about the idea of effective Propaganda Cuban or Elon running that it's gonna piss off half the idea. Here's how annoying it is to me. Okay. There's I'll give you a good example. People rarely demonize a super rich celebrity like a musician or something like that. Nobody ever said, oh, Beyonce.

She made $100 million. One of her dancers only made 40 thought. That's not fair. How dare they? Because they look at her, she's talented, she deserves it. LeBron James. Oh, nobody complains about necessarily the money. But a billionaire, they don't see what they do.

Somebody builds a business and they get painted as this evil person. If you're self-made and you work in the market, you, like, that's some accolades. And by the way, you got your money because you gave consumers what they wanted. You built something that people have built you. And by the way, too, you can, and the same breath,

I can say all those things. And then Turner, I'll also say, like, listen, I don't know the guy he could be an asshole told me all these things I'm not saying a little babysitter kid that's right that's like it's really for me it's like I'm making the argument that he's better than a lot of other people that we've put probably in that to run to run a business yes to run America you know so that's the I'm not I'm not saying because people always try which I also can't stand to which is to like come after the character oh he's this and he's a I'm not I'm not saying because people always try which I also can't stand to which is to like come after the character Oh, he's this and he's a bad. He's a bad guy He's an asshole and he's this and blah blah does this to his workers

And it's like okay, see the show me these angels that are gonna run the country on these perfect humans that exist I always want the example of your so angry with this person. Where's the other example? It's really bad. Yeah, well, it's the smooth talkers that like, I mean, that's the, they get away with all of, you know, like, I, that's it. I tell you what, that's my, like, where I'm like, look at the vex. He reminds me so much of Obama. Like, he's just so well spoken. But he did build, he can't help but like, he did build. He's like, he's so like, well, so I'm going to say this. Okay. Now, I'm going to say that, because that's, I'm so glad he said that. This is also important. that in order to run the country,

here's the difference between that and being an entrepreneur business person. You also have to be able to sell your ideas on a national stage to everybody. Yeah. Okay, is when you're a business owner, I mean, you have your employees, yes, but they get paid, they get a paycheck,

as long as they're getting paid well, they like their job, like you're doing pretty good, but you don't have to get up and sell to other companies and other people to follow you necessarily. So, like Trump, for example, is terrible at this. You know, after the George Floyd riots on stuff, he gets up and says the exact opposite of what he should've said, even though he's saying what's on his mind,

like you, you know, you loot, we shoot. Like, what are you doing, bro? Everybody's pissed off and agitated. You need to bring people together. So to be a good president, you need to have that skill of an entrepreneur. This is why I also have to be able to sell the ideas, versus why, like Elon might not be a good example, because that's, he's not the, he's, yeah.

I mean, he has that, but he has that. He's really dumb, but he doesn't have like this. You know, something about those like brilliant people like him, Steve Jobs, because they have a bit of that like, obviously they have that narcissism where they're And they're so brilliant they can back it up, that's why they get enough people to get behind them like, Hey, listen, he fucks this guy does know, we should just fall in line, but that doesn't work on a national level. You got to, to your point, you still got to be able to sell your ideas.

I think, and that's an example. Some of the best examples of people that, whether you like these people or not, who were able to sell their ideas well, Obama, obviously exceptional communicator, Bill Clinton, exceptional communicator, Ronald Reagan, probably the greatest. See, I think like the, like the,

like super power, or would ideal be having one of them as president, one of them as VP. You put the president, who's the most like, like you put the Obama, the VEX, and the mouthpiece. Yeah, and the president. Here's what we're gonna do when you got the Elon Musk as a VP. We got Mark Cuban as a VP.

Like to me, that is like, you got the guy who go out there and present and is likable and can communicate really well, right? And then you have the dude that's behind the scenes. That's like you and your wife. Yeah. It's true. When we do our sponsorship deals behind the scenes that... That's like you and your wife. Yeah. It's true. When we do our sponsorship deals, the Adam is like, tell him to fuck

about our shit. Nice or word? Yeah. I mean, it's such a, I think it's such a re-evaluate. It's a great way to operate this, right? It's a great example. Lean into each other's strengths, I think together, they balance each other out.

I don't understand why we all, as we don't want that as a country to try and piece that together. It's like, well, I don't think most people don't think too much about it. They see the clips, they make up their decision, they get pissed off, and then, it's easier to piss people off, to not vote for someone than it is to get people to really like somebody.

It's so emotionally volatile. Yeah, and that's just human behavior. By the way, you know, government was not, you were never supposed to have career politicians. It was literally supposed was literally supposed to be a part time job. You had your regular job and then you volunteered into this thing because you felt compelled to serve. You know, it's different. Speaking of billionaires, I had brought, I brought up on the show, I think, when this happened and so I don't remember how long ago it was and maybe the, the guys can fact check with

the time. But you guys remember when I brought up Jay-Z becoming a billionaire? Do you remember when that, like, that was a big deal, right? Like, rapper becomes a billionaire. I mean, I believe him and Jere were right back-to-back right at the same time. I think Jere beat him because the big sale of beats and then right afterwards, Jay-Z became a billionaire. He's already crossed over the two.

I think he's worth 2.3. Wow. And that, so his whole life took him all the way to get to, you know, a billion dollars, and then just in the last couple of years, has doubled that. It's so fascinating to me, and also highlights.

Did you start acquiring a lot of other businesses? You know, I don't, I haven't read his biography or anything to know like how, I know he's got a lot of companies, right? I mean, and that's a quick way. It's gotta be so weird to deal in numbers that big. You know what I mean? You're like, okay, I'm gonna start this new venture.

It's gonna cost $50 million. You know what I mean? There's just a lot of management. Yeah, it's just crazy. The numbers that they're doing. I mean, it's still, I'm so interested in it. I think it's so incredible. And again, it's another one of those things

that people ride away. Oh, you billionaire. Oh, it's so easy when you have all this money. It's, oh, it's like, you know, it's another one of those things that people ride away, oh, you billionaire. Oh, it's so easy when you have all this money. It's, oh, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you can just, you can buy your way to success. That's like people say, takes their roads, you're getting the end of it. Yeah, look at you, 2.5 billion now.

Wow. Oh, yeah, look at it. So what happened to his first billion was in 2009, to give his whole life, to get to, in 2019, to get to it. So it was, I remember bringing this up, a billion dollars. And now he's more, he's more than one and a half times that. That's 2.5 billion now. It's harder, people, this is, people won't get this.

It's harder to go from 100 million to a billion than it would be to go from, you know, a million to a hundred million or whatever. It's harder to get to that, now when you get to those numbers, it becomes exponentially more challenging because the moving, there's so many different moving parts on what's going on. And it's, it's, it's, it's, that's why there's so few, so few people who, who achieve that, you know, that level. Yeah, I mean, I just, I, I don't know. How many billionaires are there in America? Doug, do you, can you look at it? I feel like it's increased over the, oh, it has. It's the last one. You know, that one, a billionaire was made every single day in the

COVID. In the year. During COVID, a billionaire was made every single day in the COVID in the year during COVID a billionaire was made 735 in the US Wow, that's you know, it's crazy about that is you could take every billionaire in America and put him in a room Yeah, you know, I mean? That's how it's called. You're relatively small, right? Yeah, that's like my Christmas party. That's how many family members get like Christmas party. Well, I was just watching some random show and it was like this guy, his whole business,

is designing and building like these ridiculous yachts that are like, you know, good joeins of dollars and he's like, okay, so I have like a very small community. I'm like, Advertis... He's like, I'm not, I don't have a website, you know, I don't have, like he has nothing. It's just literally word of mouth. Cause I know everybody.

And it's like, it's a very small group of people who already know. You know what trips me out is like, so you bring up a number like that, right? And obviously the amount of, you know, sent to millionaires and decomillionaires are more. A lot, but not crazy. It's still, still, when you talk about the jump,

and yet we can go to places, you can go to these places where there's a car event or something like that, like the one, the big one that happens every year down in a car mall area. And I look around and I'm like, where is all this money? Like how did this many people have that could, but I think it really highlights the amount

of people that really probably shouldn't do that, but do that to look that way. Oh, I see what you're saying. And I share with you guys, you guys saw the Ramsey post that I had the top vehicles. Yeah, that's right. I know. What was number one Toyota? Toyota Honda. The most important was number three. I think. And yeah, it was just like your regular economy kind of cars. Yeah, only one real luxury on there was the BMW.

Have you guys ever, by the way, have you ever been on one of those yachts? Have you guys ever been on one? No, I'm a super yacht. I've been on a yacht before, but not a super yacht. Like how big was it like a... I don't know how many foot it was. I actually had a ex-girlfriend whose dad bought it used. And he was a little...

But it was a big, was it? Oh yeah, it used and he was a little bit. But it was a bait, was it, was it? Oh yeah, it was a kitchen, the whole deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, you know, it was like a full staff. It was, it was nothing like what, it's like, I've never been on like a crazy super yacht. Like not as, not as super.

Oh, that would be crazy to get on one of those. Somebody have helicopter pads, you can drive your boat up in there and have all kinds of guys. I used to have a thing that I subscribed to that had like all the, all the, all the that I subscribed to that had like all the all the all the all the all the I forgot what it was called but it was like that you actually it was kind of cool because you could actually see every every you had every billionaire's net worth

that had a yacht so you could I could flip through it there'd be a picture of trading cards with them no liar why don't you back me up? He has billionaire trading cards. I thought I had someone like this too. I mean, there is the Rob report. I don't know if that's similar to that,

but they have all the luxury items. Oh, see what's that. What's the word? It's a magazine. I mean, it's online now, I think. Yeah, this is specifically a yacht magazine. Oh, I didn't know. And brilliant by the company, right?

Whoever it was that created this, because it had like every billionaire and their net worth. I mean, think about it, if you're like that, it's not a rich guy who got the billions of dollars or hundreds of millions of dollars and he had to put this magazine and see all the other ones, you know that gets the competitive juices. Yeah, oh god, get this one.

Yeah, yeah. What's the most lavish crazy thing you would actually, I mean, I wouldn't do that. I don't think I'd ever own a massive. It would be a waste of money for me. But what's the most crazy lavish thing thing you would you would actually I mean I wouldn't do that I don't need ever own a massive be a way some money for me but what's the most crazy lavish thing that you would spend like if you were let's if you had a billion dollars we'll be the craziest thing that you guys would car garage like a car garage yeah I'm so I'm so into cars that it would be a it would be like my dream like Jay Lono, I, the, like, the rotating turntable.

I just, I love, I love to drive. I have, I love all types. I love off-road, cool stuff. I love super fast, exotic stuff. I like old school muscle. I like cars. That's not cool. And so to have that, like, that would be a, a total, I know, waste

the money, but I would have, you know, say 50. I wouldn't need the hundreds, but 50 of my favorite cars that are getting maintained that I could drive anyone whenever I want. And they're always clean. They're always taking care of that would be cool. I would love that. That'd be cool. I was thinking I would buy a sports team myself, like a football team. That would be cool too. Yeah. And then just, you know, you show up, you got your own penthouse, whatever. Like to like I'm part of like now would you now knowing you you hire a head coach. Of course Would you be able to would you be able to not go in there and like you'd be like out there Oh, no, I'm in there. You out there listening. I'm not like here's a thing though

You hire the person that you believe it and that's that's always yeah, so you would make an amazing football Oh, I love it dude that actually would be I would love it, dude. That actually would be, I mean, obviously, it'd be way more fun than actually coaching. That's a lot more work. Oh, I'd rather be the owner, the owner would be more fun. Way more fun. Yeah, yeah, making the moves. I think that would be a really.

Take pictures there, but yeah. I think I would have, I would have, I would just have lots of, I would have services. Yeah, so I'd have a chef. I know you. And I would have a driver. I would you. And I would have a driver. I imagine you would pay for this, right? I can see you having a life.

Because I'll stress that the quiet assistant who doesn't even talk, it just follows you around all day long with a little noxel. It's my garbage. Yeah, your little no-books every time you have ideas, or things you want to remember, she writes it down for you, doesn't say it, and just puts it down there.

I don't know along my phone. In five minutes, we need to be here. That's all that she speaks up is the reminder. Remember, your wife said take out the garbage. Yeah, do that right now. Oh, thank you. So being credible is the one that makes all the outfits for you. Yeah, she's just.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or I would love I think having a bodyguard would be pretty sick. I think about how awesome that would be. A bodyguard. Yeah. Did I share that? Imagine that a dude that's that could fight. It's Jack that will that will literally it's literally your dude that will like you just see that dude. I imagine that dude that could fight, it's Jack, that literally, it's literally your dude that will,

like you just see that viral video. Sometimes you need a hug, he's right there. Did you see it maybe? No, when Andrew probably follows that stuff. Did you see that viral video of that kid's bodyguard who knocked out that one? Yeah, that was bad, dude. Yeah.

I'm gonna fuck, I don't know if this is the wrap name is. But it's a young rapper, he's basically his friends or his bodyguards. And this fan came up to him There's a video of it on Twitter. Yeah, he Three times the size and just oh he made in them. We also don't know the rest of the story that's right like I mean for all You know that that kid was spitting on the dude and acting stupid before you gotta know you gotta use to get you man Like punching someone you could you could kill someone

Jitsu submit him, you know what I mean? Put them down, hold them down, and that's it. Well, even then, yeah, you knock them out like that. If his head hits the cement, I wanna, I wanna know. I wanna know, I wanna know, I wanna know what Doug would spend his money on. What do you, what do you blow in your money on, dude? I mean, for me, it's just the house.

I just, I just, I just, I just, I'm just very custom, all the details. I mean, I like wood, I like stone. I just, I go to the nth stone. I just I'd go to the Instagram. You would have like a sleeping chamber like, you come out. Oh yeah, it opens up and you definitely I hang from the raft. I don't know. I don't think I don't think you can count that because I think that we all would have that to me that's a that's your home, right? So there is like you're you have FU money. You already bought and built. Yeah,

can't be a house. What else can Give me something you're blowing it on, like a super yacht, like a car. A garage full of 100 cars. I mean, if you're in a prison, you want a copper or a washer out behind you. I mean, these are like, I'm sure if Sounds Goddais got a nice custom house. So he's going to force me to spend money.

Like, yeah, bro, you got a blow. I would have an airplane. I would have a jet. Okay. Because I like to travel. And it would be fantastic just to be able to go down to the airport. Much better answer.

Yeah. That's a good idea. That's what I do. One thing I like about private jets, those are the ones that was crash, man. Every time somebody dies in a plane crash, it's always a private jet. Is that true?

Is that the same? Because they're small. Small planes are. What did I say I was going to get a small one? Oh my god. And the, Airbus one. What was the,

the one that we fled to on that's the biggest commercial plane. What was that? What kind of model was that? Oh, that was. The Airbus one. What was the one that we flew to on? That's the biggest commercial plane. What was that? Oh, that was the Airbus. Yeah, the Airbus. That's like a double-dead bus. That's a huge deal. That thing was crazy, man.

Yeah, it was massive. What's cool about those is the ride is so smooth. They're so massive. They think of a ship. They're like a big ship in the ocean. Yeah, they don't feel nothing. You know, it's funny because logically, you would think that the smaller plane would be safer. and this big, massive, heavy thing with lots of

people would have more risk. Doesn't make sense of that thing can be in the air. Isn't it? But I don't even like to think about that. Honestly, I started thinking about this thing going up in the air and staying up there. I just break myself up. It's actually really.

It's crazy. The bigger the bigger they are, the almost the safer they are, right? Yep. But and the design, did you know that the wings on that? I hope I get this right? They go 15 feet up and down. That's how much they flex. Yeah. Yeah. That's at the end. That's how big they are. That's wild. Yeah. I mean, 15 feet. Yeah. You know, a test pilot for Boeing barrel rolled, I think was a 727 back in the day over Lake Washington. Intentionally? In Seattle area. Intentionally. Yeah.

Now 727 is a lot smaller than when we were on. Yeah, much smaller. Yeah. But that's still a big part. But yeah, he was doing a demo. I think there was a crowd. Wow. And nobody anticipated this and this dude just decided

he was going to do a barrel. How old would you be if the plane we were on barrel rolls? I'm the pilot. You fucking. Well, that would be like the boat. Like if you were a pilot and you know you were retiring or something, they're quitting, I did that. Last thing, yeah, last thing.

All right, everybody, we, you guys remember the worst flight of my life, do you guys remember that flight we were up in Washington? The worst is Spokane, the Seattle, I believe. It was, okay, I'm not gonna do it, Justice. This is true. There were people were crying on the plane and praying. There were women, as the worst turbulence ever.

Oh, if I didn't have my seat, if you didn't have your seatbelt on, we're gonna hit the seat and launch. That's how hard it was shaking and going, oh, down. It was like, you'd be shaking like this and then you had that little drop. Yeah, woo.

I was pretending to chill. Oh, yeah, this is normal. No, no way, dude. I had those binarial beats on my, in my ear and I had my arms crossed, how much I like this. And I was just, oh man, I was just, so that you know that the funny part about that is that,

and I remember the, the reason why I can relax a little somewhat in those situations, even though I'm a great guy, not that one. Kissed the girl hard. But I remember I had this client that was a stewardess and she said that that is like she goes out of when you feel turbulence in the plane that's like equivalent to you driving in a grocery store parking lot and going over speed bumps. That's literally what it's equivalent.

That's how safe and okay it's going to be. Now here's the difference. The landing and take off. If you hit the speed bump, you can't you don't accidentally hit far as far as car As long as engines are still running dude, and I'm okay, but that's what I mean They that's how they equate that to like as far as house house safe for risking one of the scariest Twilight zone episodes has to do with the plane have you guys ever seen that one? Oh, yeah, that weird creature that was like eating the you ever watch your original colors Or did you watch the old the one original and dude? Yeah, dude? There's a guy on the plane and he's freaking out and he's getting anxiety attack

They're giving anxiety pills. He's still freaking out and he looks out in the wing and he's like there's something on the We don't believe it just this guy nobody believes them nobody believes them and every time they look There's nothing of time. He looks there's this creature on there There's one scene that give me nightmares as a child because he finally freaks out and he opens the whatever that is a And the monster faces right there, so it's like he's likeaks out and he opens the, whatever that is, the screen. And the monster faces right there. So it's like, yeah, he's like way out in the distance. He kind of seen it, but then like, that was the jump scare.

He was like the first jump. I was, I think it was nine or 10. I thought, oh, yeah. This is why my wife freaked me out. My wife is like, she's like, it's creepy watching anything scary with you, because you don't react. You sit there like, nothing's happening.

Things, because I condition myself with that shit when I was a kid. You know what I mean? Anyway, great. Speaking of, we're talking about Legion for a second. They're multivitamin. We never talk about their multivitamin. That's a good product for people who want to fill in nutrient deficiencies.

And the reason why I'm bringing that up is there's studies now coming out showing that with good controls, that multivitamin use is associated with longevity. So people do live better and longer by taking the multivitamin. I mean, do you think that people ask me all the time where should I go? I mean, don't do you think that's just because most people, I can't remember when I read this. Most people are deficient. They're micro nutrients, right? It's just like exercise. And the type of food host of a phyrosphere.

I remember reading one time and you correct me if you're wrong if you don't remember this, Sal or not. But I thought like to get to person's average RDA and all the macro micronutrients on average would have to eat like 3000 calories and a serving of liver or something like that. It was like a, like a, it wasn't a mouth that people don't. It was an amount and a like an odd thing.

It was an, it was an amount that would make people obese because that's the how would get the nutrients. You have to travel with these foods, right? Yeah, yeah. So we are soil is in as rich as it used to be, especially minerals. Yeah, it's just consuming minerals is really important. Here's the thing, it's like exercise.

Exercise isn't magic. It's just that we move so little that some exercise makes us so much healthier. That's all it is. We're supposed to move. It's not that multivitamins have any magic compounds in them. These are just vitamins and minerals. It's that a lot of us, not all of us,

but a lot of us have some suboptimal levels of certain nutrients, and some of us, another smaller subset, have actual deficiencies. And deficiencies in vitamins and minerals cause severe dysfunction in the body. And they can cause lots of symptoms that people don't associate with nutrient deficiency So they'll have like anxiety or or stiffness and pain. That was my dad my dad thought because he's got arthritis Up and down a spine and he you know, he's worked hard labor

He was like hurting all over the place. He kept telling me oh old getting old sucks and this sucks And I'm helping him with mobility and stretching, but he would always complain about it. He goes and gets a vitamin test, a nutrient test, his vitamin D's low. Starts taking vitamin D, the paint gone. Within a week it was gone. So nutrient deficiency is there. Do you see, I mean, is there an example of where

you would take them all the way? I mean, you're pretty balanced. So well, you eat everything with that. You supplement for a lot of things already. I take vitamin D three because every time I get tested, that's a by itself. You take that. I take it by itself. I take magnesium.

Yeah, so do I. I do take a multivitamin, I would say probably six months out of the year, maybe at the least four months out of the year, definitely during the winter months. I take a multivitamin. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So what? Because it's more holidays, holidays more eating not as good?

So I tend to take multivitamins based off of what my I know my diet is looking like and how much sunlight I'm getting and stuff like that now. I'm actually glad you brought this up because I get I forget that Mike even has He's got actually a good line of like I know he's got a vitamin D also. He's got fish oil Yeah, so yeah, I know he does and and people ask me, like, what brand do I recommend for some of that? And I forget that he's got a multivitamin and you know how he is with everything. So like, I know that it's legit what he's putting.

Oh, no, he goes through crazy length. We know the owner of Legion very well. And he legitimately goes through crazy lengths to ensure quality in a supplement. I'm just curious. And I cannot say that for most of the companies. Yeah. All right.

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Thank you. Thank you for taking my question. Yeah. As I said in my email, I've been listening to podcasts for every day. I'm not even sure how I found you guys, but you were on all my favorites. And you all, including Doug, bring so much to the table, but I have a special affinity with Sal, because I'm Italian. And I was a weight loss consult for 20 years.

So if I had a doll for every time I said I have this study or using an analogy to make a point, I'd be retired by now. But yeah. So, little history I grew up in the 70s, so it was always outside active, moving, and when I was 17, a nodal of the stream opened up in my neighborhood. So I joined, and I loved it. The only information I had back then was Bodybuilding Magazine, but they did the trick for sure.

When I was 22, I co-work asked me to go for a run. So I asked my then work-up partner, now husband to go for a run and we did our first world race in 87 and we've been racing ever since but over the years I pretty much stuck with two to three days of weight training and Three days of cardio some active other activity and over the years I've done all the things we did a bodybuilding competition bench press competition

Marathon's triathlon's Crossfit I even tried jazz-assized back in the day. So yeah, updating myself. So fast forward to the pandemic, I was stuck in the house all by myself and was not happy about that. So when Jim opened up nearby, I joined and it was classes but traditional weight training movements and they had the sleds and all the toys. So it was very consistent, built muscle and stayed sane as you know exercise does. So this year was turned 60 and I got 15 extra minutes to qualify for the Boston Marathon. Actually the older you get, you get more time which is a good thing.

actually the older you get, you get more time, which is a good thing. So I worked with my running coach and I eventually joined a regular gym and I'm a social butterfly, so I had to join a class and I was going for a run and I like, I love to listen to you guys when I run and of course you got the question about classes and I heard sales say you're not weight training you are doing aerobics with weights and I was like okay all right stop that class focus on the marathon and I'm happy to say that I ran by marathon in September qualified for Boston by 18 minutes. Wow! It's nice to have a cushion. Great job. Thank you, thank you. So my normal season, I live in New England,

so it's preseason now, track stats in April, get into the hot of my season. Usually my a race is in the fall, and then I back off on the running and do a little bit more weight training. So with someone who's competitive, but also wants to keep it my muscle being 60 what maps programs would you recommend for the different times in my season?

Oh great question. By the way you were lifting weights when women didn't lift weights. What was that like if you don't mind me asking? So you're probably only one in there. So first of all, every time you you you guys talk about that and I get very excited when you encourage a woman any age to lift weights. I have to tell you, I don't know if it's cousin from the Boston area, but there were women. It wasn't a lot, but there were. And I had like a really good core group of friends. And, you know, I joined a, we went to gold. I mean, we had been to different, and I'm still married 33 years. So good place to find my husband was the gym. Um, there were the, the, you know, rusty weights, but everybody was so nice. Everybody was so nice. I loved it. And, um, you know, even like the bench press competitions,

but they were just the races. So I just always felt very comfortable and I'm a social person, so I loved working out around people. But everybody was great. It's nice now to see more women in the gym. So I gotta say this first before I give you advice Linda. So someone like you,

which I've met people like you, but it's not common. Most people don't have the history of exercise like you do, haven't done it consistently. Through the years, you've probably really developed good relationships with exercise. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to do it as long as you have. So advising you almost feel silly to me

because you probably know yourself better than I do, but I will say this, the one thing that I've always encountered with people like yourself, and I put myself in this category, is the thing to look out for, so not overdo it. Because you enjoy it so much, you're probably always kind of dancing that line of doing enough and maybe doing a little too much. So I would be, that's the thing I would pay attention to. Now, the more that you're running, the less you should be strength training

because you can't tolerate doing a lot of either, okay? I think the MAPS and Abolic is a great off-season program. I think MAPS symmetry is a great off-season program. Symmetry is probably gonna give you the best balance. Even 15 for someone who's doing this much cardio. And then in the meantime, if you're doing any strength training while training hard for something like a Boston marathon, maps 15 would be an appropriate type of strength training program during that period of time.

But really, the strength training, you know, you think of it like it's like complimentary. It's going to be cool. And if you do more running, you got to do that. You can't do all of it. Otherwise, you'll really set yourself up for injury and training for, first off, to qualify for a Boston marathon. People are like, it's a tough thing to do. Um, I know that I don't know. What was the time that you had to get? Cause I know when I trained somebody,

but they were not in your age group. They had to get under three hours. I think it was or less. What's your, what was your, what was the time for you? So, um, and it is, so men miss the 30 minutes more. So if it was a diet, that's not uncommon. It's usually around three hours. But for my age, it was a 420 and I did a 401. Good for you.

But I've run it, qualified every, I've done it five times. And this will next, my time will qualify me for 25 But I didn't even know what qualified meant when I did my first one. I got an invitation number from my from my running club Um, and that was 1998 and when I finished somebody said you qualified and I was like, what does that even mean? So now that's a big goal for anybody who can do it Um, but I thought that was reasonable. I did my last one in 2010 and I'm like never again.

I've done other marathons. But and then I just when I hit six damn, like, well, maybe I can do it again. And so I was really happy. That's a big deal. So what I would I when I used to train people that would run marathons after their competition, I would always have them take a minimum of two to three weeks off.

In fact, studies will show that damage lasts, can last as long as four to six weeks. So I'd have them take about two to three weeks off. I would have them feed their bodies appropriately, rest, allow things to heal, allow the inflammation to kind of go down, because you know, you probably feel like you got hit by a truck you know for days afterwards. And then when they come back to working out we would start very slowly. But then eventually the routine would look a lot like a map centabolic type of routine. It's a very good basic strength training muscle building program. Now the reason why I also mentioned map symmetry is because that's going to give you the most carryover to all the other things that you do because it trains, there's a lot of unilateral work in it.

And that's going to benefit all the other activities I like to do because you're so most multifaceted. You're not just doing this to look good. You love to perform. The other program that would work well is map performance. Those three programs would be your core programs. Anabolic symmetry and performance would be the best ones for you. And then during training time,

when you're doing other types of things, maps 15 would be a great way to kind of maintain or help maintain strength. I love maps symmetry just as a diagnostic, right? You go through that, especially if you're a competitor, you run a lot, and you're just naturally going to kind of build some imbalances along the way that you can highlight and address with that program and strengthen, and especially around the joints to keep them healthy because you're such an active person, want to keep going and

pursuing whatever you want to pursue, to reinforce the stability and strength around your joints is I think it's always something to consider. 100% do you have any of the programs I mentioned, do you have any of those? you know, the stability and strength around your joints is, I think it's always something to consider. 100%. Do you have any of the programs I mentioned? Do you have any of those? So yeah, I did. So when I heard that, I did get anabolic, and I got prime and anywhere, like over time,

and I've done none of them. So the reason why I like the programs is because I've been lifting weights for so long. I tend to go in the gym and depending on my mindset, I'll help his AIM at work. I know what to do, so I'll just do push pull squats. And I was like, I need a program for the winter to dive into and really focus on.

So I thought that in a ball, which I have would be a good start. And I read it. I like the trigger sessions, and I'm at that point where I'm ready to start, you know, getting in going back to the gym with a plan, instead of just going in and doing the stuff. I'm not saying, I'm going to send you, that's what I like the plans.

You know, you're reminded, I mean, you just really reminded me of your experience in the gym. I'm going to send you symmetry. I think that one's going to give you the best results because it's probably going to be the most different from anything you've done. So I'm going to send you symmetry. I think that one's going to give you the best results because it's probably going to be the most different from anything you've done. So I'm going to send you symmetry. When you're ready, that's the one to start.

Follow it as we wrote it out. I think you'll really enjoy what it does to your body and what it does to your performance. Yeah. Well, I always, whatever other exercise I did, it was always how to affect my performance. I have to say that 100% my longevity has been to weight training. Because you can imagine a lot of my contemporaries. I have a lot of friends that have been running for a long time.

And both me and my husband and triathletes. And because they don't do weight training, they just never did. They are just falling apart. And a lot of triathletes stop doing the run part because they can't run and I'm like, oh shoot me when I can't run. When that day comes, but so far, you know, that's why I always have stepped to three days a week.

Four doesn't work for me. Even training for a marathon, three is perfect and then doing the weight training. And I think I put in my email. I always find a good PT and this one was really great because he had me doing all the balance, the bands, the side movements that really kept me strong so that was good. I'm looking forward to doing something new, especially in the dark and cold winter here in the Boston area. And then the other quick question I had was about reverse dieting. So I went on my first diet at 13. Luckily, Atkins was was all the rage and I just always found that high

protein works great for me. Even when I trained for my first marathon high carbs just wasn't didn't feel good. But I'm a small person, I'm about 120 pounds of 5.1. So if I have 120 grams of person, I'm about 120 pounds, I'm 5'1". So if I have 120 grams of protein, I tend to like fat more than carbs, so 50 to 60 grams of fat. And then it's really hard for me to get even like 150 grams of carbs with three males and some carbs. So I don't know what you think I should be at, like, saying this part of my training.

You're good. Calorie, why should I try to reverse diet? When you're done with the race, I would. I would go, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you do, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you,

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After your race, I would go up about to be trying to be consistent at 1800 calories and then work it up to about 2000 calories while doing map symmetry and you're just going to get strong for it. And your ratio to fat and carbs is fine. Especially if you know you feel good on that. That's right. You're hitting your protein intake, which would be the number one priority. And then really the ratio of carbs or fat, I changed that based on the client. I mean, if they tell me,

if you feel good, you're doing it. Yeah, they tell me I just feel better on higher fat and moderate to low carb than that's what we run. If they say they feel better on higher carb, then I run that in a little bit lower fat. So if you like the way you feel, just keep those ratios the same and then just bump the calories a couple hundred calories. That's it.

Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I learned to trust myself and honestly, even if I gained a little as I'm, I'm covered in sweaters now here. Um, but I also just wanted to say I love listening to you guys because as I said, I've been listening to podcast fitness podcast for a long time. And now when I listen to them like know that that, heard that, that's the latest phrase. And I just enjoy your conversations. And I love hearing you encourage other people because I really have a hard time watching everybody

around me and I work in the software industry. So they're just so unhealthy. So when I see you hear somebody and just it's really fresh the way you talk and you talk about all contemporary things So I know that your success is because you stuck to what you feel is important But I just want to say you doing a great job and I I really enjoy listening to you So keep it up. Thank you Linda. We're checking how you're ready. Thank you. Thank you All right, have a nice one. Yeah, thanks again I want to point something out real quick to people listening right now.

Okay. She's qualified. She qualified for the Boston Marathon. She runs three days a week. She eats 150 grams carbs a day. That right there flies in the face of the belief that you got to run every day, beat the shit out of yourself and all that other stuff. Right.

In fact, most people over train when training for a while. She's also the goal, right? Like I mean, she's 60 years old, she's weight training. And by the way, I know a lot of people think that we're so hard on or anti cardio or anti running so much. She's a great example of someone that I love to see doing that. Yeah, totally. She has a love and passion for it. She recognizes the benefits of strengthening.

And she highlighted exactly why we come off anti cardio. It's because so many people do neglect the strength training and they just, they run themselves to pain to where they can't even run or exercise. It's a tool of abuse. It is. And so, and most people unfortunately fall in that category. She's, she's rare. And I, one thing I want to add to training to support her running. Someone like her, I almost would, I mean, I, we could have gone a lot longer

because I was gonna ask her questions. When people have been doing it as long as she has, there's a lot of stuff I wanted to ask her about her experience, what she learned and what she figured out, because you could tell, she's, she figured this out through the air and what works for her body.

And I would, I mean, and she's got a lot of training with them that she's developed figured this out through the years on what works for her body and I would I mean and she's got a lot of Training wisdom that she's developed over the years and that's where everybody can get if you stay consistent and you do for the right reasons You can get there next colors Dina from Iowa. Hi, do you know? Hey, it's my guys. You all make a girl getty But she's a long time listener, so big fan. So I'm just stoked to chat with you. Cool. What's your question? Will you help you?

So, my question is, and I've been listening to Forever, so I almost already know what you're going to say, but what would be more the optimal range body fat percentage wise? Is there like a minimum for women? To, I'm in the muscle building phase, I've up to my calories, I've dropped cardio, I've gone through your bundle twice through the anabolic performance aesthetic, I've gone through it twice through, haven't gained a ton of muscle and then when I start to up my calories, I feel like it's partitioned more towards fat gain than muscle gain. So I'm wondering if I need to embrace that fat gain before my muscle kicks in. I'm not sure. Yeah, can I fill in a little context? I'm looking

at your email. Yeah, absolutely. So it says here, your body fat percentage as per Dexel was 15.2 and then it went up to 15.8, basically the same. It hasn't changed. And your question is what's a good body fat percentage gain muscle? Okay. Okay, so there's a range there. But essentially you want enough body fat to be able to support your hormones and to at least support optimal health or not make your body or put your body in a stress kind of a state. For a woman, 15% is almost always too low. Okay, there are rare exceptions, but it's probably definitely too low. And you're finding with a small bump in calories, your body fat going up, it's because your

body needs it. Now, one way to gauge this for women is based off their cycle, but this isn't always reliable because so many women now take birth control and whatever. But if you find you lose your period or it becomes irregular, if your libido's off, you notice differences in your hair, in your skin, in your nails, then you probably need to bump your calories and get your body fat percentage up. In my experience, good body fat percentage that's lean in the female clients that I've trained

to get them to build muscle was always at least at the least in the high teens. 17 to 19. Yeah, like 18, 19% body fat, typically low 20s. And that's when they were healthy, they felt good and they were going up. I'm also looking at your macro breakdown and your protein is 120 grams, that's fine

because your body weight's pretty low. Fat's need to go. Your fat is really low. Fat's gotta come up. Yeah, that's where you need to bump. Your fat's at 35 to 40 grams, you're probably barely hitting what you need for fat. I would bump your fat at least up to 60, 70 grams

just to get what your body need, because fat's essential. And that would give you the extra calories that we should be eating right now too. Yeah. I know, I mean, the audience that can't see and so on and so forth, I mean, I think I can see your bicep vein through your shirt, your ripped. I mean, you're plenty, you're plenty, you're plenty lean right now and absolutely could use a couple percent body fat and you will build muscle

I promise. And I'm sure if you've been listening for a long time, you've probably heard me talk about the psychological part of increasing the calories and what's really going on with the water retention and everything like that. And I know what a mind fuck that is. And it's exactly that's what it is. You're not getting fatter. It's more of a mind fuck of you are least used to probably being someone who was damn fit, shredded,

lean all the time and the first time you're kind of reversing out and adding and that first initial water retention and weight that comes on doesn't look the same way as what you guys should and it messes with your head more than what's really going on. Don't throw your scale away while you do it. If you were my client, okay,

my goal would of course be to build muscle and strength, but I'd also want you to gain body fat. If I, if I bump, let me put it this way, if you were my client and I bumped your calories and you were gaining muscle and not gaining body fat, I would bump your calories again. Because 15% for a woman to stay at is typically too low. Typically, again, there's exceptions, for a woman to stay at is typically too low.

Typically, again, there's exceptions, but it's typically too low. And I want you to pay attention to how you feel because what you'll probably notice is better sleep, less stress, better libido, better energy, and you'll probably get compliments from people around you where people are gonna say, well, you look really good, well, you look really healthy. We've been led to believe that body fat is all bad.

Any body fat is bad, that's not true. There's too much body fat, there's also too little body fat. Both are unhealthy, in fact, too little body fat and the data can be worse than too much body fat. I don't think that's the case with you because you're also exercising and you're probably eating healthy food. But if you look at the data on,

you compare two sedative Terry women who aren't exercising, one sits at 12 to 15% body fat. The other one sits at 30 to 33% body fat. You're probably gonna see worse health outcomes with the leaner person. I think if you trust us, trust the process throughout the scale and the mirror. I'm not letting you look, I'm not letting you,

I don't study yourself. I'm not letting you take pictures and analyze yourself. I'm not letting you, none of that stuff. It's like we're focusing on increasing the calories, getting strong in the gym, getting you to trust me and trust the process. And then what I would promise you is that I'm gonna let you gain a little bit of body fat percentage,

but I'm gonna make you happier. You're going to look better, feel better, you'll be stronger, you'll also have more metabolic flexibility. So you'll be able to enjoy more foods, whatever it is that you like to do occasionally that's outside of the diet. You're going to get more of that and be looking and feeling better at the same time. But you got to get over the first that first mental hurdle of this is body fat that's coming on you. It's not body fat. They're holding on to a little bit of water from the extra carbohydrates or calories.

What are that? You're going to be fine. Trust the process. Totally. Totally. Any new areas here? I knew you would say that. And so I knew that would happen.

But I also wonder if I need to throw away the genes too because that's the other mind play, you know. I'm not obsessed, but I just love to be lean. And so it's hard to see that go. I think, Dina, I'm gonna help you, okay? I don't think you love to be lean. I think you think you love to be lean. I think you're afraid of gaining anything. And so you're in this kind of state of fear, okay?

And I know this, I know what this feels like. When you get out of it, the further you get out of it, the more clear it's gonna be. And you're gonna look back and be like, holy cow, man, I thought I liked that, but I didn't feel good. That wasn't great, this feels way better. So, and really pay attention to the signs

that your body's telling you as you go through this process because the signs are going to tell you you're moving in the right direction. The scale in the mirror are lying to you or at least they're telling you or they're feeding your fears. I wouldn't use those. Like Adam said, you can use the mirror but don't study yourself. You stand in the mirror and look at yourself and like, oh, how about that? You see they're your oldest kid or your partner. Let them be the ones to help you. Trust them, they who love you, okay? If they're your partner or you're your child.

They're less than in the same boat. Yeah. I've seen couples like that before, right? So, yeah, more likely than not, your partner will probably tell you that you're doing good and be honest with you. So, I would, if I'm gonna lean on any advice from somebody else, opinion wise,

I'm not gonna trust my own, where you're at currently right now. I'm not gonna trust what I think when I get on the scale or look at myself in the mirror, I'd prefer to hear it probably from my partner. 100% Dina, have you ever had, if you don't mind me asking, have you ever had dysfunctional eating patterns?

Or okay. Okay. And years ago, I'm out of that. I'm fine. Wonderful relationship with food now. I just, and I practice intermittent fasting for 70 years, and I just stop that. And like that's ridiculous. It's not serving me at all. So I don't do that. And I bumped my calories tremendously, but still afraid we can't go up to the I'd like to stay in the teens For Pawnee Fat percentage You can you can 17 and night so all of my female trainers that looked amazing

Okay, you're out they they hovered around 17 on the low end to 19 percent. Yeah, I'd like to see you Like certain on 19. I think that I think that we got you'll do look I want to tell you something if what we're saying sounds frightening to you You're still in the grips of what you dealt with years ago. It's just less It's still there I've changed my mind a little for sure and I'm getting stronger I can finally do and single pull up for the first time in my life So I know I'm getting stronger. I do trust y'all. Okay, good. I actually, I would actually want to,

to your point about the 19% so I was like, I actually would not allow you to cut calories until we at least get to there. So that would be my, if you were my client and you were kind of fighting with me because this is normal, fighting with a client in this situation where she's telling me, Adam, I'm getting fatter.

My jeans aren't fitting. This is, I don't like this, and I'm gonna be like, just trust me, just trust me. I'm not gonna let you go too far. Adam, we can always get it right back. I promise, I would be pushing you like that, at least until you got to 19 before I allowed you to even come back the other direction,

just so I could show you how you feel and look and everything and be objective about it at that point. That's what I would make you do first. Now here's the other part here that I just, I'm looking at your email. So your yoga instructors, your teacher, how many classes do you teach a week?

Oh, five, six. What kind of yoga do you teach? All of it. Like the hot sequence, kind of power, restorative. Okay. So you do that. Plus you run 12 miles a week, plus you strength training. I stopped running, and now I just do sprints on my late day,

and I'm in the gym five days a week. Okay. I want you to strength train full body three days a week, MAP Santa Ballock, if you can. I've done that. I want you to do that while doing what we're talking about. I don't want, yeah, and even the sprinting, I would kind of cut that down a little bit, stick to the walking, and I think that would be the perfect complement to what we're talking

about. And what I would like to do, Dean, is I'd like to invite you back in 60 days to come back on the... I want you in the form, too, so we can be... Yeah. We're going to put you in the forum, and I want to invite you... And now here's why, okay? I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming. I'm putting you on air, and I'm asking you to put you in the forum and I want to invite you. And now here's why, okay. Drag you kicking and screaming.

I'm putting you on air and I'm asking you to come back in 60 days because I want to hold you accountable. Can we do this? Can you come back in 60 days? Come on the show and report back. Yeah, I would be honored. Dundeele, okay. Dundeele, okay.

There you go. And do you have Maps and Abolic? That's the one I want you to follow. I have Antibolic Performance and Esthetic. Okay, good. Follow me up Santa Bolic while doing this. And then Doug's gonna put you in the forum too, so we can keep an eye on you

and make sure you check in with us, okay? And we'll see you in 60 days, okay? Oh, I'm gonna hold you to it. And I've been a fan of yours even though you all hated on Tony Horton. Oh, we did. You're a guest speaker. I think you made fun of him.

Maybe, yeah. You're absolutely. You're a couple of them. Yeah. Thank you, dude. you so much for having me. Thank you so much. Bye. Yeah, she knew the answer to all that. Man, if she does listen, if she's listening, you do what we say, it's going to blow your

mind. And the further you get out of it, I know because I get into shit myself. I get in these cycles of dysfunctional bullshit. Then when it come out of it, I look back on my God, what was happening? I mean, if she just trusts us and she could allows herself to go to 19% body fat, I guarantee the way she feels, how strong she is and the amount of compliments she gets.

She should be enough. I think it's in there and she knows intuitively that's the direction she should be. She wants to get that reinforced. You know, I don't know if she's got somebody else. Our next color is Veronica from California. Veronica, what's happening? How can we help you?

Hello. I'm super super excited to be here. This is, this feels so surreal. And before I get into my question, I have to give a shout out to my friend Grayson, who introduced me to you guys because he had heard me talk about nutrition and give some presentations. And we spent a lot of time together traveling in Bulgaria this summer, talk about nutrition fitness. And he was like, Veronica, you listen to Mind Pump, right? Because like everything

you say sounds so similar to what they do. And I was like, no, I don't. Like, I mean, I've heard them. I've heard Sal talk on like a Mac's Super years podcast, but I don't listen. And so I said, send me an episode that you think I'd like an ultimate listen. Any sent me the one, um, why woman should book? And I've been hooked since then. So I spend a lot of my day with you guys. I'm really excited to be here.

It feels very cool. Awesome. I'm very glad to be here. Thank you. Good friend there. Yeah. All right. So I will jump straight into my question and all, I'm read through my

email because I was reviewing it and it seems pretty succinct and I can go on a lot of tangent. So I'll just stick to my email. So here's my question. Genetically, I am very muscular. My body, my moms and my grandpa's are all super similar and we have very large calves and quads. And unfortunately, I've had so many people in my life comment on my body, especially on my legs, like from a really, really early age, that it flung me in two years of body dysmorphia. Strangers would literally stop me in the streets to comment on my body and people always, always ask me if I was a gymnast. And to me, it just screamed that my body is so different and noteworthy for people to comment on it all the time. And so I stopped trusting my judgment because I didn't know if it was body dysmorphia or if it was really that

different that people just had to stop and say something and it really didn't serve me well. And people for some reason especially liked to comment on my legs which was really extremely inappropriate and it made me terrified to train heavy. So I never skipped training like a day, but I always trained really lightly and never less than 15 reps because I had always gotten the message that like in order to avoid bulking, just train light and train for a lot of reps. So it's always like 25. And throughout the year, sometimes I'd try and figure out like, okay, well, how can I make my like smaller? And so I'd read all these like female blogs about Pilates and none of it made sense. And I never actually tried

to incorporate it because it was just kind of the very like fluffy, female oriented workout and device. And I loved going to the gym since I was young and so I was never going to stop, so none of it applied to me. So since then, I've been going to the gym since I was about 13, I'm 27 now, and lately I've really enjoyed lifting heavy just to see like how strong I am and really start developing my strength. And so I started enjoying like that five to six strap range and I'd start, but then I'd get really scared to bulk up. And I just feel so like disproportionate in my body that I'm not entirely sure how to train. And I have come like really, really far with my body to Smyrpha.

And I know I can't completely change my stature. And I'm in a really good place with training and eating for my health and longevity. Thanks to people like Dr. Lion, who really preach like the benefits of health and fitness, especially in muscle growth for more than just like physique and weight loss, but really longevity. So I feel really comfortable in my skin. I just don't want to further develop my lower body. And I want to say that because of this, because of what I've experienced, it's kind of, it's helped me build out other parts of my life. So it caused me to focus on just how to have an interesting life

and how to develop different skills and how to get curious about things because I just figured like, okay, well, I'm never gonna have the ideal body type that we see in media. So like why don't we focus on other things in your life? And so there have been a lot of pluses and minuses with this, but I've definitely come a long way. So I'm open to any advice and any direction that you have for me.

Yeah, I think you're doing the right thing. I think you're working on the right things to help yourself with this. You sent a picture of yourself, Veronica, and I don't know if this makes a difference, but you're very proportional. So you don't look disproportional. I think you'd be totally fine training the whole body the way you've been training. But if you feel like you want to target one area over another, it really is the simplest trading volume in your sessions. Doing less volume

for the lower body, more volume for the upper body, less volume for body parts that you feel are really really overdeveloped or developed, and more volume on body parts that you want to continue to further work on. One of the best gauges that I like to use for people like you, because body is more fiest tricky. You can hear people tell you things all day long and it doesn't really sink in. In fact, you said something earlier, people were complimenting you on your body as you were going up.

Or at least they thought they were complimenting you. They probably say, wow, are you a gymnast? Do you work out? But that actually caused the reverse, right? It actually made you hyper focus on your body. So, one, the best, I don't know, trick or hack that I would use for clients like you is I would get them to focus on their performance. So I would look at strength.

So I'd say, okay, is my deadlift well, is the ratio of my deadlift to squat, seem good, am I pressing really well? Can I do a pull-up? Can I do a, you know, this many push-ups? and then use strength as a gauge of where you should place your focus. That's what I would, that's what I would employ, you know, really employ you to do is look at your strength and your performance and try to hyper focus on that because the more you focus on the way you look, the more difficult it's going to be for you to really see a clear picture, just based off of what you, you off of what you've kind of told us.

Go ahead. Yeah, I think you look phenomenal right now, but I would still ask you because I'm in the business of helping someone sculpt their physique. And so is it your all your lower body that you feel that is already too big or is it just your quads and less maybe the glutes or the hamstrings or how do you feel?

Because there are certain things that we can do to modify the training. Let's say for example where you're like, Adam, I'm just, I feel really quad dominant, but I don't mind if my butt got a little bit bigger, so I'm okay with that. And my hamstrings, so do you feel that way about them or is it just in general, you just don't like them?

So do you have, do you feel that way about them or is it just in general you just don't like them? Um, I, I have no issues with the glutes, I'll admit that. Um, but like my quads, I definitely feel like they're, they are, they, that's what stands out to me most. Like when I see something, definitely focus on kind of like that bulge of the of the quads when you're looking at me from the side like they just seem so apparent to me. And then from the front when you look at my calves, they seem really large for me. So those are kind of like the two places that I generally focus on. And I'm like, ah, okay, those are my least favorite areas, but that's okay. Whatever we're focusing on different things. And so if I were to hyperfixate,

those would be the two things that I kind of look at. Okay, so based on one, just hearing you say hyperfixate though I'd want us to get away from like, because that's dipping back into our dysmorphia type of, like, so don't hyper focus on anything like that, but we can change and modify the programming to where I would eliminate like the squatting in there and we would do things like hip thrust instead.

So there's things, and then obviously I wouldn't have it you doing any calf raises in Maps and a Bulk, I would get rid of those, right? So I would simply just avoid the movements where you already feel like you're very calf dominant or quad dominant and keep the ones in there like your Romanian dead lives, like your hip thrust. Veronica, your leg day can literally be

glute, hamstring, abductors, and then finish with like one quad exercise like squats where you're just keeping the mobility in the strength. You could totally do it that way, and organizing your workout that way will help you, you know, train your body and develop it in the way that you're looking. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Everything else I think where you're at, it's in your body, but it's totally okay. And I think personally, we all think that you look great and very balanced, but I also understand that, hey, listen, that's the cool part about weight training is you can scope the physique and you can do little things like that. Have you actually gone through a phase where it was more like a powerlifting type of program? Yeah.

No, haven't. I haven't done that. Another tricky part of my training routine is that I actually travel full-time. I travel all over the world and so sometimes I'm in areas where I do have access to a gym and sometimes I don't. And so for the last two months, I've actually been, I have your maps anywhere program because sometimes I just have access to a rooftop and I train on a rooftop. So last two months, I've had no equipment and right now I'm actually in Morocco, surfing in a small town called the Maraft and actually to have access to like a super old school janky gym. And so sometimes I train to gym, sometimes I train body weight by shrewdy answers. No, I've never done any kind of like power lifting. Okay.

Do you have maps suspension? That's a good program for your body travel. Yeah. I, yes, I actually do. Oh, good. Well, there you go. Do you, you know, one day you're gonna like the fact that you build muscle easily.

You're young. And so right now, you have a problem with it. As you get older, you're going to watch your friends get older, and you're going to be really happy. You're going to have fun with it and realize that being strong is the best. And having muscle so protective, it's going to keep your hormones healthy. You're going to always look younger than your friends because that's what muscle does. And you will, one day, you'll end up enjoying it.

But I think really just modifying your workout and the way we said, isn't it? It's gonna help. Yeah, it's gonna give you kind of what you're looking for. By the way, are you bull-garing? Is that why you were there for so long? Or is that because you're traveling? No, no, no, no. I was actually there for a conference every summer.

There's like a big meetup and festival for people who are digital nomads and travel full-time. So I was actually they are giving a presentation on health and fitness. I got to speak at it and then I stayed because I really wanted to hike in the period mountains because it's absolutely gorgeous over there. You got a cool life. Yeah. Well good stuff. What I was going to say is that I did really resonate with what you were saying about focusing on the strength of my body because traveling full-time has helped me realize how strong I really am because I've gotten to use my body for really cool things all over the world. I submitted a 16,000 foot mountain in Bolivia. I've gone mountain

making in Bolivia. I've hiked all over the world. I'm surfing in Morocco and the more of these experiences that I collect, I'm like, wow, I get to do really cool things that a lot of people don't have the strength for. And so this has given me a lot of just like reflection and really change my perception, because I'm so grateful to be able to do all these really cool things with my body. Veronica, do this. Focus on performance.

That's gonna take you away from the stuff that is harmful. So focus on how well you could do the hiking and the running and the surfing and the swimming and all those things, focus on that. And then do not study your body and the mirror and do not study pictures of yourself. I mean, you said something earlier that, and that's what you're doing, is you're like,

well, I don't like my quads when I look from the side. Like when you look at your quads from the side, either you're studying yourself in the mirror or you're looking at a picture of yourself and you're focusing and literally finding all the whatever you would consider imperfections. Don't do that because that is going to drive you deeper into these dysfunctional kind of feelings and behaviors. Don't study yourself, focus on performance. By the way, the side effect of which is going to be your look so healthy and good. So that's going to be the most helpful

thing that I can tell you. All right. Sounds good. That's simple enough and I can definitely do those things. Thank you, Veronica. All right, Veronica. Awesome. Thanks for calling in. Bye. Bye-bye. What a cool life. Yeah. I want to go surfing in Morocco. I know. My brother lived like that. Yeah, how funny is that though? She felt she was disproportionate. It's not. It just goes to show you, man. A lot of it's in your mind. Totally, man, all of it. Well, especially when it gets seeded as a kid. Oh, total. You know what I'm saying?

Oh my God. I bet the 90s sucks. I bet 99%. I was saying, but 99% of it. There's nothing I'm saying a good thing. It was compliments, but at a young age, you don't know. And she said it just right, right? She receives that if I'm different.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to be different. You want to fit in. You want to be this. And so then how you could take someone who's got a great physique. I mean, there's a lot of women that would be envious to have that lower body. Yeah, I'm saying that are probably like angry right now. Listening to how dare she say, she looks great. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I mean, that just shows you

that how that can happen from from childhood. And you know, your advice is right. I mean, I wanted to be able to give the advice of, that's what's cool about weight training. You can also sculpt. But even when I asked, she, the way she described her in her head into that, like, perfection. I was like, okay, this is just driver into that. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe we don't go this direction. You know, say, maybe you should just focus on the straight thing and not worry about sculpting. Look, if you're a trainer of coach and you love the podcast, go to mindpumptrainer.com. Check this out.

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