Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2228: When to Use Partial Reps, the Best Way to Learn Workout Programming, the Benefits of Rhodiola & More

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Five steps to hack the negative effects of alcohol consumption. (1:39) Busting myths with Sal: Why pasta tastes different in Italy, why people in New York are rude, and why most states dislike people from California. (15:25) Gambling stories and habits of Mind Pump. (19:34) Are the guys for or against companies ripping them off? (33:41) Mind Pump Recommends the Dead Files on the Travel Channel. (36:30) Is there any more terrifying than experiencing sleep paralysis? (41:16) Invisibility cloak, real or fake? (42:56) Mind Pump’s favorite MAPS program. (46:00) Shout out to Joe Baena. (51:21) #Quah question #1 - Are partial reps effective and when? Do they have a place in a workout program? (52:38) #Quah question #2 - What are the best books on programming design and best meal plan resources? (59:43) #Quah question #3 - What are your thoughts on Rhodiola? (1:08:01) #Quah question #4 - What is the average pricing for training per hour? (1:10:58) Related Links/Products Mentioned Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MINDPUMP23 at checkout for 15% off your first order! ** December Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength | MAPS OCR 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Mind Pump #1502: How To Drink & Stay Fit Likely new Maverick owners may impact effort to expand gambling in Texas Mind Pump Partners The Dead Files : TV Shows : Travel Channel   Is This 'Invisibility Cloak' Video Real? | Snopes.com MAPS Fitness Products Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Mind Pump #2015: How To Apply Advanced Training Techniques To Build More Muscle Becoming a Supple Leopard 2nd Edition: The Ultimate Guide to Resolving Pain, Preventing Injury, and Optimizing Athletic Performance Westside Barbell®: Strength Training Education Juggernaut Training Systems | Experts in strength WSBB Books - Supertraining by Mel Siff | Westside Barbell NCI x Mind Pump Nutrition Certification, Coaching & Courses | Precision Nutrition Rhodiola Rosea benefits, dosage, and side effects - Examine Mind Pump #1810: Why Most Trainers Are Broke Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joseph Baena (@joebaena) Instagram   Chad Wesley Smith (@chadwesleysmith) Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness health entertainment podcast in the world. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered questions that our listeners wrote us on Instagram, so we picked the best ones ones and we answered them. That was after our intro portion.

The intro portion was 52 minutes. That's what we talk about fun things, current events, family life, that kind of stuff. By the way, you can check the show notes for timestamps if you want to just skip around to some of your favorite parts. Also, if you want to write us a question that we might pick, go to Instagram at MindPump Media. One more thing I'm doing a free trainer course

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All right, here come the show. Minimize the negative effects of alcohol consumption. Do this. Don't drink too late. If your alcohol consumption disrupts your sleep, you're going to get way more negative effects. Number two, drink a lot of water, but also electrolytes. The electrolytes, especially sodium, helps you hang onto that water so you don't get that dehydrated hungover feeling.

Number three, go low sugar, eat less calories or drink less calories with your alcohol. And oftentimes sugar combined with alcohol just also gives you an upset stomach. Number four, pace yourself. Don't drink too fast. That makes the alcohol concentration your blood go up too fast. Then before you know it, you're past the point of having fun. And finally, the last one, use Z-biotics. It has been shown in proven to reduce the negative effects that vasotaldehyde that happens from alcohol consumption. Those are the things you can do to minimize the negative effects of alcohol. Those were all good. This was literally my recipe for Thanksgiving. Was it really? Yeah. This was the Christmas party

deal. So at the beginning of the Christmas party or the entrance, right, to get in, aside from checking in. Was drinking the Z-Biotics? Yeah, it was the Z-Biotics. And my favorite is to hear back from the people that reported back that had never tried it before. And I remember, what is this? I said, just drink it and then tell me how you feel. Wait a minute. Oh yeah. No. Wait a minute. Always.

Yeah, so before we get into that, like the not drinking too late was the, like a huge one that I learned as I got older, because you know, when I was younger and you'd go drink, it was always late at night. I was always late at night. It's past 10 p.m.

Then you're almost like, You just don't want to stop. You just love that so much fun. Yeah, and then you're up, you know, and now you can't sleep or even if you do it's terrible sleep. So now you have a combination of lack of sleep plus the negative effects of alcohol.

You just feel terrible. And I remember when I got older, the first time I did day drinking, you know, where you go out and it's like, you know, kind of like, like, you need a whole part of whatever, you have to go and then, then you stop drinking at a certain time

and then you get tired and you go to sleep and you wake up the next day. I remember being like, what? Why didn't anybody ever tell me about this? This is such a big deal. Water with electrolytes is of course a big one. I said you coconut water back in the day before we worked with...

You had you finish, sir. It's where you say coconut water. Coconut water. Not the coconut water. Yeah. Yeah. Adam said big is up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It brought me there. But yeah, the Zeebaotics is pretty crazy. A lot of people don't know how we actually started working with them. It's a really funny story. I brought up an article. This author wrote about this like breakthrough product where they took bacteria, modified it,

genetically modified it so that the bacteria itself would break down acetaldehyde, which the acetaldehyde is a negative byproduct of alcohol. Your liver breaks it down, but some of it comes out in the gut. So before you liver can break it down, it gets your blood stream. And the theory is that that's what gives us that,

like nauseous, hangover-like feeling. Yeah, yeah, too much acetaldehyde feels like headaches, upset stomach, inflammation, irritability, all that kind of stuff. So the author in the article, I brought it up on an earlier quah a long time ago. And I said, because I read it and the guy said, oh my God, I tried it. I tried it like five times. It's really crazy.

It works. Talks about the podcast. Zeyba out, X called us like a month later. Yeah. We got a big spike in sales because you guys brought up our product and we're like, what can we work with you? And then that's how it all worked out. But yeah, I think the message for fitness

and health-minded individuals, because quality life's important. Alcohol can definitely play a role in improving, can also definitely take away from the quality of your life. But responsibly, you connect with people, it's a good time, loosens you up. It can help, you know, lower inhibitions in terms of conversation. I, you know, it can lead to just, you know, just a good time if it's done responsibly and occasionally. So if you're, your health minded, you can definitely hack.

How are you going to do this thing so you minimize, you know, the negative? It's so funny going through all this like before, you know, knowing there's products like that out there before knowing really what was happening In terms of like why my hangovers were so bad certain times like I would I would try and trace it back and then I would Mix a different type of out. I was like maybe it's just the brum, you know I'm just gonna go whiskey now, and I'm just gonna do vodka So I would stick with like certain ones I didn't get like as bad of a hangover with and usually it was all like Hydration was a big factor to that and then to just like like you said drinking later at night

Because alcohol itself is just one of the worst substances to get a good night's sleep out. Yeah, I can't I end up Just didn't work. I sweat all night. Yeah, I have nightmares on. Nightmares on wake up. It's like the same damn story. Every single time. Z-biotics has been life changing for me. Yeah. I've never been. You always had a bad reaction. Always had.

Yeah, I mean to. Really, really bad reaction with alcohol. Even like just one or two drinks. Like I couldn't, it just, one or two drinks would cause headaches or poor sleep or, and so I just never, which is partly why I gravitated to cannabis is like my way of like a parting or relaxing or socializing would be that would be my choice because I'll call this number maybe feel good and I have a wife who is the opposite who like that's her thing is like they she would much rather Some people break down alcohol so well. Oh her her whole family is that way you say there's a genetic thing you can see it You can see it in the and the whole family has this ability

to be able to drink like that and no one's ever hung over, like blows my mind. But since Zibiotic, I've been able to do that. And it's, you know, I still don't drink a lot, but I've been able to have things like the, like in the past, I'd go to a Christmas party like that and I would not partake in any drinks at all.

And that was half the fun. I mean, they had custom drinks that they'd go to a Christmas party like that and I would not partake in any drinks at all. And that was half the fun. I mean, they had custom drinks that they made just for our Christmas party. And they were fabulous. Fabulous. Yeah, they were fabulous. It was a really good time and joy, but it's something that I couldn't do in the past.

You know, some people have, I don't know if it's an allergic reaction. I'm not quite sure, but they have a reaction to it where it flushes their skin. Yeah, Courtney has a bit in her cheek. Dushy, yeah. So I think it's more common in Asian populations. Is that true, Doug?

Yeah, very, very common. Is there, do you know what it's called? I don't know. I could look it up here. So my sister's partner, Mike, great guy, love him, police officer, sound Jose shout out. He's like, he can't touch alcohol. him, police officer, sound Jose shout out. He's like, he can't touch alcohol.

He has one drink and he gets this really negative effect from it. Yeah, it's interesting. The worst hangover ever, hangover I ever had in my entire life, ever without actually getting sick because of course we drink and get sick. That's not great. But I'll never forget this. My cousin, myself, and then my buddy Dawn, who you guys know, he now is one of the VPs for UFC gyms.

We were down in Palm Springs. This is back when we invested in that gym down there. And my cousin was going through some rough times and we're all just kind of hanging out. And that was probably 22, 21, 22. And we bought, you guys know, have you guys ever seen that those jugs of red wine? It was like a little handle. Oh my God. And it's a big jug.

And at the bottom, it looks like a wicker. That would destroy me. I already know. Yeah. Just wine in general, but like cheap wine and drinking that. Oh my God. I would have the worst hangover. It's four gallons.

It's four gallons of cheap red wine. And the three of us had crushed it. Oh. And I remember the us crushed it. Oh. And I remember the next day working, and I'm, you know, I'm like, 20, 20, 20. Oh, not only that, but I smelled like it. You're, you're, the next thing is senior poor.

Oh, God, it was terrible. I never felt anything like that before. I can't even remember, you're like, worse hanging on. That's how bad it was. Yeah, it's, yeah, that's gotta be pretty good. I do this. Uh, to answer the flushing question about Asian populations, they tend to have a deficiency

in an enzyme called aldehyde dehydrogenase, which breaks them acetaldehyde. Probably. Looked that up, typing that enzyme function. Interesting. That's interesting. I wonder if Zibiotics would help that. I have never had a mic try that before. I wonder if that would be a good thing

You said he says that was a PD sounds a pity. Did you know if he knew my buddy Justin who just passed I didn't ask him Oh, yeah, they have to ask them. Yeah, he's just was a sergeant there. Oh, he's got a known yeah, I didn't even know that I just how did you I would have had they probably knew each other for sure Yeah, Mike's great. I served in he served in the Middle East, the military, super respectful, very nice guy. As you've been a cop for a while too. He has, I remember when he went through the whole process. I got into each other. Yeah, so when he went through the whole process,

I remember what tough it was, because I guess when they first start you out, you get like the worst shifts, you know what I mean? So like, okay, here you go, you're just getting started, your shift is 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. or whatever, you know? Yeah. And he would get home. Gravy yards. Oh,.m. to 4 a.m. or whatever, you know? Yeah. And he would get home.

Grave yards. Oh, he'd be so burnt out. What does it say there, Doug? Yeah, it's got a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. But the main pathway of ethanol metabolism involves its conversion to acetaldehyde, a reaction which is mediated by an enzyme known as alcohol dehydrogenesis. Now, Doug, when you go back, look up the symptoms, because this is going to help highlight the symptoms of having too much acetaldehyde in the blood.

What are the symptoms of having this situation? I don't know what it was called, but what happens to them? What are they feel as a result of drinking alcohol? Because since they don't have this enzyme that mediates acetaldehyde, it'll give us probably a good idea of what, for the average person would feel like if they just had too much. I mean, yeah, I just say,

probably all butchers. All the same. Yeah, so facial flush, elevated heart rate, headache, heart palpitations, shortness of breath, hyperventilation, low blood pressure, vertigo, nausea, and vomiting.

Yeah, yep. There you go. The other guy covers the bases there. That's it. I wonder if there's anybody who's been up before. He actually has that issue and then has not even tried drinking because of that. I don't want to advocate for Zeebock specifically for this because I don't know if it would do that, but on your own, you could try.

Sure. Sounds like it. On your own, you could try it and let us know because I don't know, there's nothing else out there because it's a patented product, right? So other companies will, they'll typically do support the liver. So if you find something for alcohol, supplement, it's always like supports the liver and detox, it's a little, but this is about breaking down.

That's like the old hack that used to do before we have, we used to have it take two charcoal and a towel. Oh, charcoal. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of old hack that used to do before we have had you know, we used to have it take two charcoal and a tile and I'm sure that's kind of like that move. I feel like that's how most I've made a charcoal. Most of the over the counter stuff is pretty basic what they would they do. Yeah, Activated charcoal is just a great general something's up on my gut. Yeah type of thing literally cheap by the way Let me know you buy activate chart because in handy for sure. Super cheap, you have any gut, it's like an immediate relief for bloating or sourness. And because the charcoal sucks everything up, right? Sucks it up and then it makes it so that your body

can't absorb it and then you literally just poop it out. I remember tripping out on that as a kid. I told you my story of when my brother and his friend like fed me a bunch of cough syrup. I really drink like two bottles of cough syrup. Why did you do that? Because they're playing doctor. And they're, I was the patient.

And they're like feeding me cough syrup. The old week. Dude, I was like, I don't know, six or something. Five or six. You got totally ripped. Just just shredded. Maybe that's the source of all my gut problems I'm talking about being shredded like with abs

oh okay yeah like so when they do they take the hospital and just give you a ton of and then the irony of it was so my brother's friend his mom was a nurse in the year and she was there when they brought me in she was so mad dude oh I thought she was gonna struggle like that. That's older brothers, just. I did, you know, yeah. I went, I was through the ringer. I was the 80s, though.

You know, so you used to let your kids, your older, yeah. You're 10 year old, watch your six year old. I've done my four younger brothers, you poor, I did throw me the wools all the time, man. I remember my younger brother one. I don't know how I talked him into this. We watched home alone. No, I don't think it was home alone. It was way before that. Anyway, I convinced him to let me, is it duct tape, the great tape, the one that's

sticking itself? I convinced him to let me duct tape his hands to his head like this. Okay, and we thought it would be funny. Like it is a good idea. And then yeah, and he's chasing me around. But then when you go to take it off, we couldn't take it off. And my mom was about to come home and I had to cut his hair with scissors. That reminds me of I just saw some,

like I don't know how popular this is or not, but it was really funny. This lady, they call it some challenge where it's like the foot face challenge or something. And this lady sticks her face and her friends, we'll sit on the couch, her foot, like on her face and then her friend behind her, like taped the foot to her face.

And then he's like, oh, I'm stuck. That's something. I'm just sleeping or something. Yeah. Yeah. This is right. Foot right on her face. Stick up. I was just sleeping or something. Yeah. Yeah. This is right. Foot right out of your feet. Oh, it's messed up, dude.

Did you imagine two of them trying to get it? Yeah, like, oh, I want to do that. Give it to you. This is my worst nightmare, dude. I told you guys, my thing with feet. Oh, God, on your feet. You ever seen the one where when people are sitting like those plastic chairs, you know,

like it's got the arms, but there's like a gap, they'll take a broomstick and put it through the arms over the person. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they'll smack them and run and if you try and get up, you're stuck in. Yeah, just. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I see that one. That's a good one too. Oh, good time. So I saw something interesting on pasta and a theory is to why pasta, people will say this often that they'll eat pasta in Italy and it won't affect them like it does over here. Yeah, it wasn't your theory, just the desiccation process.

No, the pesticides. Yeah, the herbicides. That was a theory, right? You know what this guy says and it's actually kind of makes sense. Pasta here is dried at a very hot temperature, and by the way, you could see it. So this guy pulls out pasta from Italy, pasta from here. The pasta from here is much more yellow

than the one from Italy. So they dried at such a high temperature that it makes the gluten in the pasta more damaging to the body, or harder to digest, sorry. Harder to digest to the body. Interesting. That seems plausible because to digest in the body. Interesting. That seems plausible because it's the most obvious.

So why do we cook it at such higher temperature? Faster production. Really? Yeah. And you know about more. Yeah, and you know Italy's so funny. They have such, they have a very interesting food culture there where they take a lot of pride in doing things a particular way that even if it's slower, even if it costs more, it's like.

Well, it stands on its own. I mean, if you ask anybody like, where they're going to go in Europe for like, where they're known for food, it's Italy. Yeah. It's just like one of those staples. It's cool to see them too put a stop to the fake meat. The bandit.

Coming in. Come in, you can't be fake meat over. Did you guys ever see or tried? who's been to Italy, you have? Uh-huh. Neither one of you? No, I've always wanted to go. I had a buddy who went to Italy asked for a coffee latte with soy milk or almond milk.

I'm gonna remember what you're looking for. They laughed at him, probably. No, they don't laugh. They just didn't have that. No, no, he said, can I have a cup of chino, sorry. Can I have a cup of chino with almond milk? This is the response the guy looked at him no Me and then he turned around and I have it. Yeah, he's trying to go is that is not a cup of chino and he turns back around He's like like he offended him. Yeah, how dare you ask me to make something That's like it like, New York.

It's like that is some places too. If you try to change things up, certain like, you know, like sandwich places, I love places. I know. I respect it, man. It's like, you know, this is what I'm offering. You know, take it, leave it. I like to, hey, it's not for everybody.

I didn't make it for everybody. I made it for specific people that like this type of thing because I like that sort of thing. Have you guys been in New York City? To New York City? Never. Yeah. So I've never been there, but the, I guess people say that people rude that right?

Or like really shorten. Yeah. Well, it's like a pride saying. I've heard a lot of clients that were from New York, and I love them. Yeah. They're super direct, and that can come off as rude or, in your face or.

Uncultured. Yeah, but I love that. I can totally appreciate that humor and that candor too. I'd rather have somebody who's like that. And so you get that from. A lot of them like that. Every client I had that was like from born, raised, New York, and they were now over here in Cali.

I had something that were like traveling or consultant, so they were only in California for a certain period of time. And yeah, they definitely had this like, directness of how this is. Because people are, people are rude in California too, but it's probably, I think it's a different kind of rude. It's like a passive, aggressive rude.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, it's like, do this to you. Yeah, like, okay. And it's like, it's a bad smile. It's where everybody hates the California people everywhere else in the to you. Yeah, I know. Okay. Oh, it's a great smile. I'm like, everybody hates the California people everywhere else in the universe. Yeah. Yes, dude.

Don't you ever notice that? That's why I remember when I was a kid when I, I remember the Colorado, I remember like telling people I was from California like instantly everybody hates you. Yeah. Nobody, you know why? Because everybody that leaves leaves, there comes in my grace to these other states

that are kind of a slower pace. They're trying to make it come. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's- Now what you left kelp. Yeah, that's the idea, right? Yeah, but I think it's a different kind. I know when I was in Tennessee, the Southern hospitality, you know,

with the old, I mean, I was real, man. People were really, really friendly. Yeah. It was kind of a nice, you know, I liked it. I prefer that. I don't know if I'd like the new- I did too. But anyway, we'll see.

I brought up the other day, the, you guys, I told you guys that Mark Cuban, I thought maybe. I prefer that. I don't know if I'd like to need to. I do too. Anyway, we'll see. I brought up the other day. The you guys I told you guys at Mark Cuban. I thought maybe I was speculating about running for president. Yeah, running for president. Now I see some rumor of him trying to do like some mega casino or something over in Dallas. Did you see this Andrew? Have you heard anything about this? It was at right after I had said that to you guys and wait, you can have a casino. I don't he's trying to he's, you think you have a casino? I don't, he's trying to, he's trying to... Is it legal or is it like a...

I think that's what he's trying to make it legal. I think he's trying to build like a look up for me so I can get my facts straight. But originally I thought that was the speculation was he's selling a big portion off, you know, they're getting his three billion or whatever it was from the, the Mavs. That was going to help him run for president.

Now I'm seeing stuff pop up that he's potentially trying to build like a little mini business. I'd rather be Biff from back to future. Right. Good on you, Mark. Biggest money makers you can see in those are the slot machines, right? Just the aren't those the biggest thing? I mean, everything is. That's the best odds for the casino.

That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I don't know. That's a good question because there's things that are way higher, like crap, you're playing with way more money to the table. So I don't know if slots are technically the best. I mean, they're like the best odds for them,

like as far and like losing for people. So in that aspect, but then you're not. You're not talking about huge high hands, like you are in a poker or a craps. Well, you're the, of all of us, you're the most versed or well versed, I guess, in gambling, you've done it the most or whatever. What's the biggest payday you've come back with?

Like what's the biggest wins in one trip? 12, 14 12 14,000. Wow. Yeah, that's great. Mm-hmm. All right. What's the biggest loss? 10 Okay, I lost that in like I remember I'll never forget that I told you guys this story before that was my first introduction to Your nobody special in Vegas. Oh, because you last handed something to me. Yeah, yeah, like I, so I used to gamble a lot in Reno, and in Reno, if you gamble three or five grand, you're kind of a baller. Yeah, kind of a baller. I mean, I could be gambling five grand,

and they'll take care of my rooms, they'll take care of my food, they'll even send a limo for me to go places and stuff like that, so they'll really want to die die new for that kind of money being gamble consistently, right? And then Vegas, it was like, I just came off of like a trip from Reno like that. And then I was at the palms and I just got to the cry and I was betting aggressive. And like, it was within an hour, I think I lost $10,000. And I was like super, I was in a bad mood

and in my head, I was of course trying to reframe it. Well, I'll go get myself one of the luxury suites and chill, maybe watch some basketball or something, it was around that time this season. And I'm gonna go see my host and go tell him what I lost and have them upgrade my room. I fuck in there. He's like, hey, I just lost. I said, I'm and have them upgrade my room. You know, I fuck in there. He's like, hey, you know, I just lost.

I said, I'm gonna go up to my room, but I was wondering, could you look at my comps and set me up with a better room than what I'm in, put me in a suite or whatever? Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, Mr. Schaefer. And they're like pulling it up and they're like, oh, yeah, sorry, you don't qualify for your comps. I said, what?

He's lost $10,000. So it's like, is it qualified for anything? Oh, no, doesn't, doesn't, I'm sorry. Sorry about that. I'm like, fuck that hurt. He's a free bottle of water. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't, I mean, I haven't, I haven't gambled like that in a long time. I told you dad's another thing too, man. I realized like, I was easily influenced with my friends that are into that. Like that could pull me into that direction of gambling like that. Like I'm not hanging out with any of that crew anymore.

And so I still sports bet, but only on games I'm watching, only on my team, like in there, it's very minimal. Are you, by the way, are you positive this season? Because I know you guys doing fantasy football and you're like, I know you and you and Andrew are like fighting for seconds. I think Kyle's, if we had to do it.

Kyle's roasting you guys, right? Yeah, Kyle's, yeah, Kyle was the, the, the, the, the definitely undercover, the quake. Of course, the quiet kid who, the quake killer, you know, I should have known, but I, you know, I should have known the way he approaches, you know, trainer, everything, he puts his head down. That's it.

Yes, he's so, he was so quiet and undercover by it. Like Andrew's talking shit like me. We're going back and forth, you know, with all these kids and quiet and quite Kyle over there. He was saying, studying. He's got studying. Studying, studying and on the waiver wire. He's a sarsin.

And yeah, and he's just thumping everybody. And so Andrew and I are tied and we had a game last night. I gave him a pretty epic comeback back come back win for for me He had me he was up by like 50 something points going into which is a lot in fantasy football and Going into money night and I came back and I won by like what point seven He's not even going to answer You know what because I came in on I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

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I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm not like yeah I'm not worried. That's so this is that it's it. It's a pass. And it did so it lit it to the game came down to overtime last night. I'm down 50 something points. It's the end of the game like minute a minute left. I'm still going to lose by like five points and then I my players get a couple big catches to make me within one point. And then the game like like crazy way and unfolds, ends up going to overtime. So it extends the game and they go into overtime. And then I get, I get another catch and I literally win by like not even a full point.

I think I won by point seven. Yeah. So I Andrew is trying to call it sick to work today. I'm not going to make it in today. It's get your ass in here. His review comes up. Sun glasses. I'm not gonna make it in today. Get your ass in here. His review comes out. Sun glasses.

Now you guys, so you never got into gambling yourself or did you ever have any close friends that were really into it? I gambled with supplements. That's about as far as I got. Your life. I gambled with my life, though. Let's see what this thing is. Jackpot.

Let me tell you, a couple of times I lost, but I always came out on top. Yeah, I played a little bit. I mean, we would go, we were just so broke, dude. It's not fun, dude. Like, you get really mad, you know, if you lose. But you have nobody. Yeah. I never, I mean, here's a thing, okay? So you were in that industry, right? We had like this expendable cash. So like, yay, we never had the expendable cash experience. It was like very tight. So, but I was like very much on a blackjack kick

for a long time and I was like, I can figure this one out. Like I can do single deck and multiple deck and I think I have this figured out. My grandma could literally count carts. Oh wow. And like, I always wanted to, she was like so like Puritan,

like it was against like gambling or dancing or anything, you know. Dancing? Well yeah dude, you know like back in the day, like that was a thing like in these like Puritan kind of. I should have never, yeah, footless. It's like footless, yeah dude. It's like literally like that. Like she, footloose. It's like footloose, yeah, dude. It's like literally like that.

Like she, although she broke that rule like with my grandpa, they would ever, every now and then they do like these swing dance and stuff to like the old timey, Doug music, it was great. Basically anything that could potentially make kids horny was against the rules back in the day. Yeah, basically at all. Yeah, that could potentially make you.

Oh wow, he is. Is that what I'm reading? Am I reading that correctly? Yeah, so to take it away from fantasy, oh, you are here. Going back to the Mark Cuban sale. Mark Cuban had sold the company to a woman named Miriam Adelson and her and her family, they owned a company called the last Las Vegas Sands Corporation,

which is basically like this luxury resort company of casinos and Vegas. And their goal is to basically right here, what it says, it's a far reaching ramifications beyond about basketball considerations. Their goal is basically to let to influence legislation, Texas to allow casino gambling. Oh, all right. Yeah. All right. Interesting. Good or bad thing. What do you guys think? Because I'm not against it. I don't know. I'm gonna. Yeah. I guess. Or how can I be in districts where they're like they want it. Yeah. Super anti it.

If you don't freeze with a crime and prostitution. Well, I mean, listen, it's a I would be like somebody's response. It's else, it could be a very unhealthy addition. I'm saying. Yeah, it is. I mean, from a, I'm very, I'm like, this is where I am like you in the libertarian sense, like even though I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, I think there are certain things that I'm just like, you know, it should be up to us to discipline ourselves,

to do not to or to do that stuff. Like, I think it's the other, you know, It's the other, I think it's the other, you just said it, I think it's the other behaviors that it tends to bring along with it that people are against. They're nervous about it. Yeah, like you know, like the, I was all consumption, the parting,

uh oh, now we got, you know, prostitution and other drugs. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they'll get a little bit of that response, especially it just depends where he's gonna put it. Right, I mean, I'm sure they'll get a little bit of that response, especially it just depends where he's gonna put it. Right, I would imagine, you know, whether it's close to much of schools or, you know, those kind of considerations, I'm sure they would like, yeah, you can't even.

Go way way far. Next for school. Yeah. Yeah. This is just not good for the kids, you guys. It's not good for the kids. Where's the teacher? Think about it. I mean, it's, you know, it's funny, I think I heard one time that the addictive part of it is actually

the losing part, not the winning part. Have you ever heard that before? Is it the trying to get it back? No, it's just what happens, chemically in your body from a loss is what triggers the impulse of behavior. Yes. It's not the win. It's not the win. in your body from a loss is what triggers the the repel some behaviors. Yes, it's not the win. It's not the win. It has something to do with the loss.

That makes sense. Maybe Doug can find that or Andrew find that. I remember reading that one time. What's addictive? What is gambling addictive? Or what are you addictive? Yes, it does. It's the it's has something to do with the loss,

not the win, which you find I find that really interesting. Which also he explains why some people can like, when they lose, they go crazy. It's just so sabotage people. What would you be, what's the one thing that you are most likely, if you were to have an addiction, that's like, that's damaging to your life?

What would be the one thing that would be? You have to reveal this. I'm not. I'm not. I would say, I would say, I mean, you guys know me really well, so I'm pretty good about all these things. Obviously, none of us here have that issue.

Right, I'm just saying if you were to pick one thing. I mean, I think that could be one of, being a father and a family and like your, I mean, imagine, I know people that like, they can, they've like leveraged their house and like, I know someone that I knew. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I think that could be like and it's not you can't visually see it.

Like if someone becomes a heroin addict or a co-catic or whatever like that, like, yeah, your wife is probably gonna be up and up on what's going on. I mean, I guess you could probably hide that but it's less likely to hide. But I mean, man, remember when we met Brett and his wife came over and she said that he was having a from her. Yeah, he was he was a half a million dollars. You lost.

Wow. Imagine losing $500,000 in your partner not having any idea. And then imagine that was your entire satier retirement and savings and you were leveraging the how. I mean, God, that would be just that could be really because now you're not just destroying your life is showing your your families and others. Not to say that alcohol and drugs could do that too. There's almost no chance for me to have an issue with can they just don't like it. But I could see, just substances.

And I do this with supplements already. I could see, I like feeling whatever good or whatever. Yeah, that's what I haven't tried. Yeah, it's like any of those that are geared towards stimulation and the real, yeah, I was like, I gotta like any of those like that are like geared towards Stemulations, you know, like the real yeah, I was like I got steer clear of those because me and caffeine already is Problematics, so I'm like I'm like I got to make sure I you know put a good Stopped to this so the urge to get it back is what is get stronger and stronger as the loss so that is that So yeah, it probably causes an internal panic. Yeah, right.

And that's the set what happens in that feels like to you. Yeah, you know, I definitely, and this is why I have like rules, right? To like how I do it. So like it and what I'll never allow myself to do, I should say never because this is when I know I'm like, okay, I have to pull ways. If I catch myself doing that where it's like,

oh, I lost, yeah, I lost the rule. I lost, yeah, I break the rule. I lost 500 bucks. So I said, and I want to bet another game, and now I want to bet a thousand or two thousand bucks. Where it's like, no, my rule is that when you, I lose, I start back at the bottom at 250 again and work my way up on the winning.

And if I lose, I got to reset and start over again. Not the opposite, which is you have the impulse to wanna go, well, make that back and win some because I'll double up. You know what's interesting about all this is that betting with the stock market is totally fine. Like not investing in companies, but you can actually bet on a company failing.

You can actually do that. If people don't know this about investing, you can go and buy shorts. Yeah, you can shorts. And that's what you're literally doing. I bet this one's gonna go bad. Oh, I would make the case style that this would be an interesting stat to see too.

That most people that buy stocks are gambling too. Very few people are doing like a fund where they are actually just putting it away methodically. They're probably not methodical. I mean, I'm guilty of that. I'm guilty of buying stock the same way. I like this company. Oh, I heard this.

I'm going to do that. Look, that's gambling. I mean, that's the, when you gamble on sports, it's the same thing. It's like, oh, I got an inside track. Drain on greens is going to be sick tomorrow night. Like, the betting line doesn't know yet. So I'm betting against this. Like, that's what that is.

The people are doing the same thing with companies. They're like, oh, I hear they're coming out with this new software, so I'm gonna bet on that stock. Like it's speaking of companies that bet. So this, I don't know if this is it. I guess it's a compliment, but more and more people, more and more companies, people send these to me, by the way. So if you're a company and you're gonna do this,

I mean, I'm gonna see it. And I guess you can. I don't know if, I mean, I'm gonna see it. And I don't, I guess, I guess you can. I don't know if, I mean, I don't think it's like illegal. So long as you don't misrepresent it, but people are taking clips of our show when we talk about something and using it to sell the product. Oh, I saw the bands one. Yeah.

So it's like me time with the value of like resistance bands and it's literally me talking on our podcast and I'm not affiliated with this company. I'm not selling their bands. I didn't even try it. But they're using what I said on the show about bands as authorities. I'm not. This guy is a sales genius.

Yeah, let's put some bands behind him. Yeah. People send it to us like to shut it down or stuff. I like it. It's a positive thing. So we don't miss represent. Well, yeah, the one where they changed your voice is another. That was weird.

Like, that's different. Like, that's literally, yeah, they're using A item and manipulate what you said. That's misrepresenting. But if they clip out something that we say, and they happen to sell a product or a thing that represents what if I bring up a study about something? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think that, I mean, and what I like about it, aside from it's just, it's just free exposure for us and advertising, it would, the, the goal was always to, to reach this like authority type of position in the fitness space, right? That was the point of using the podcast to, to be able to do that. And to me, that is, it's being recognized as that. Now, here's the wise, why else would you do that? Here's the bad move. I'll tell, I'll say this. First off, you know, you got to make it clear that I'm not working with that company

because I don't want people, we place a lot of value and time and energy into vetting the people that we promote. So I don't want people to get the wrong idea. That's the only real detriment. Yeah, like I don't want someone buying a product because they saw me say something about, you know, a study or something. We haven't exited it or anything. Right. And they think, oh, my pump is totally vouching for this

company. And then it's a shit product, hurts someone or something like that. So that, you got to make that clear. But like, if you're going to do it and you make it clear, and all that stuff, fine. Send us the product, at least do something to let us know. Like, don't just do it all. I would, Don't just do it all, we do it. I would just do it. Because that's why I give you guys free shit. I'm just gonna use it. It's shifty, dude.

Yeah, I'm talking about it. I mean, for the audience, so like, The Griff that are that want to know, or maybe it bothers them because for the reasons you're saying is, you can go to mindpumppartners.com. That is like we created, I think. Those are the only partners. Yeah, I create that URL for that exact reason.

Because we always get people that are like, where is this code? Or is this a company? You guys, myimputpartners.com and you can literally see everybody that we work with or represent. And if they're not on that list and they're using Sal saying something

that they're probably ripping the content. I gotta talk to you guys about a new show I found. Well, this is all in the vein of like some of the ghost and the spirits and all that kind of stuff I get into but it's called the dead files and so the premise is basically like you have like a detective guy, ex-detective and then you have like a medium lady and so simultaneously in the beginning like the detective guy kind of does all the historical references and he interviews like everybody involved in their exact stories and everything and he kind of like writes it all out and everything and then she does this kind of walk through later on and like, you know, sort of feels the house and in the spirits and whatnot and like kind of the visions that she gets and all that.

And it's really interesting to see how they completely merge at the end and how accurate she is with a lot of these kinds of things and all that. It's totally real, right? It's totally real and it's 100% believe it. There's no like, yeah, there's no like putting props in place ahead of time or any of that kind of shenanigans you guys, it's like TV, so it's honest.

And so, but it's entertaining, it's really entertaining. But so it's entertaining as it says, there was like a specific episode, I have to be a subject, it's hilarious. Like because there'll be like spiritual describe and you know, they'll have like different characteristics and whatnot and like some of them are like, like this is like, like a bone collector whatnot and like some of them are like,

this is like, like a bone collector or one or like this is like a, I like to have their own, yeah, their own like, like, attributes. Like this one is the, the one that like, chokes you out, like, you know, you feel like paralyzed sometimes, like, in this state of like half a sleep and half a wake. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, anyway,, so like these people's house, like they're being tormented by these spirits, whatever.

And like basically it's the worst, the worst one I've ever heard her kind of describe. She's like basically this, because some of them used to be like real people that like they murdered people in there. And so it's like the remnants of their energy, whatever. And so it was this, it's like, do you feel like you're being watched?

And like this, like this one's a bit of a stalker. And like, oh, that's not good, whatever. And it gets like worse. So they had like her connect with this artist who draws, like what she sees and what the artist has, like some kind of like ability as well to like see See this like right so she's dry. It's it's fucking entertaining you guys and So she's drawing like what this spirit looks like in like the room and everything and then they put it in a folder

And this is like a reveal and they do this like multiple on the different shows. It's so, so they have this envelope and they're like going to tell the, you know, these poor owners like, okay, so here's the spirit that, you know, we've, like I saw and that, you know, this artist sort of depicted for you and they like reveal it and it's this spirit up in the corner and it's this fat guy who's like jacking up.

They drew that? Oh my god. I was fucking dying dude. We have a perverted spirit up there like getting off from time we're hanging out in the bedroom. I'm like wow this show is nuts. Hey Hey, most realistic depiction of what would it go? So probably dude I like like what yeah, imagine that like

Are like they're they're bought in so they like they believe it when they're like oh dude I Yeah, they're like, dude, I know it. I love that. That's where that schmutz came from. Oh, I had to plasm. I love key. When I watch Ghostbusters when I was a kid, I was a little older. But you know, you kind of come of coming of age, like 12, 13 or whatever. Remember the scene where, I don't know, what's his name?

Vankman, which one was Dan Acroix? Yeah. Was he Peter Vankman? No, he was a Peter. That was, anyway, Bill Murray. He's where he gets, like, the Dan Acroyd. Dan Acroyd, yeah, where the ghost has sex with him. Remember that scene? It ends up, so I'm like 13 year old kid

and I saw that scene, I was like, what? You know he was on Joe Rogan and he still claimed like it's happened in real life. He's actually had a sexual encounter with a ghost. So yeah, that's what I kind of like, kind of thought I would be, you know, kind of one of that when I was like, I don't know, I'm not as proud.

This might be cool. Yeah, you're 13 year old kid. And I mean, like, did he really claim that he did? Yes, all that's right. He's an odd bird. I mean, he has like, he's very much into the paranormal. Let's put that way if you guys listen to him. Did you know, so the one where sleep paralysis,

that's a common one where people feel like there's a demonic entity sitting on them and holding them down and they're like kind of wake up and see this dark figure pressing on them. It's a very commonly reported thing among people who said they've seen a spirit. Really. I can't think of anything more terrifying You wake up and there's a dark figure just hold you I've never had the dark figure But I've you've had that before where you're kind of like yeah, we kind of like you can't tell if you're in or out You know it's panic inducing yeah, yeah, it's the worst feeling ever But it's always quick though. It's like for a moment for a while. I can be in it for a while

Dude, oh really? I can be in it for a while to the point where I'm hoping someone wakes me up. Oh, wow. It's interesting. I've had that when I got up and then I went back to sleep. So, like, in the morning, especially when it's light out and I go back to sleep and then I've had that happen. I've had, like, the worst nightmares when I go back to sleep during the day. Oh, yeah.

I don't understand that. Or when you're sick, you're over sleep when you're sick. Oh, it's nightmares. Oh, the worst. Yeah. But the sleep paralysis thing, I know how to get out of it because it used to happen to me so much when I was a kid. And the key is you have to start moving somehow

because once you start moving your body wakes up enough but because you're paralyzed, nothing moves. So I would focus on this, like my toe or my pinky or my tongue or something small that I could kind of move a little bit Yeah, I'm gonna wake up. I know what I was work. I know what you're thinking. I know you're thinking Push ups Sorry guys, I had to get myself up. You know what I mean? Oh, anyway, speaking of weird stuff,

do we talk about the invisibility cloak that China created? No, we did not. I see that. Okay, I saw a thing on it where they turn it sideways and then it like disappeared. What is it? So was it real?

Is that real? Yeah, it looks real. Yeah. You literally hide behind it. I don't know how it works. Did you read up on it or? No, I think I'm gonna guess. So here we go.

I know, I could guess, but I was okay. I think it has to do it up so we can see it, because I did see like a thing. I think it has the way it refracts light and bends light so that it makes what's behind you appear to be in front of you. Yeah, but I don't think it's cameras or anything. You don't think it's cameras, that you know, some kind front of you? Yeah, I don't think it's cameras or anything. You don't think it's cameras that, you know,

some kind of LED screen that they, I mean, how do they omit the person though and still show the background? I don't know. That's the part that's like tripping me out. Yeah, I don't, do they talk about how it works? I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I want to see it,

because I thought, okay, it is the one I saw right there. That's the one I saw right there, where he like basically is like hanging it in front of his legs and you can see his legs. But then the crazy person, when they used it out in nature and then the guy covers himself with it and literally disappears and you're like,

oh my god, it's crazy. Could you, if you're the first person amongst your friends to Harry Potter cloak, if you're the first dude in your group of friends to get this, the pranks you could play with this. Oh, yeah would be just look at And that was it does like kind of a blue hue. I mean, it's not like perfect But I didn't I think out in the sun like it even like blends in even better Yeah, or just in nature you wouldn't be able to see that yeah, let's wow is that we can how do we how can we see through his legs like that?

That's I think it's has to do with the way that it reflats Light but then again, why is there no shadow? I don't I don't get it. I don't know Did you so you guys haven't got somebody because okay? I saw this too, but I just totally dismissed it here Yeah, look at this. Yeah, this is him in nature watch. It's a fabric, bro. Look. It's all folded up Yeah, it's not like a horror just throws it over him He throws it over and then literally immediately blends in What what like there's no way you could find him did hide and seek champion Me both sides work

Did you see that yeah, it's too cited. That's what I understand like what fabric that is okay? So no one's crazy seeing like okay, I we've all seen these like clips no one's seen like an Interview or technology. Yeah, what if it's fake did it? I don't know that just it just dropped yeah So it's Chinese students Look at that it could very well just get it's December night like a deep fake. Oh this is 2022 Yep, well it went under the radar obviously Oh the rest of the shake coming yeah, uh, you know, I just saw a stat that said that Speaking of Chinese students that the number one thing that Chinese

Kids want to be when they grow up as an astronaut Hmm the number one thing that American kids want to be a youtuber. Oh, is that right? Yeah, it's just guess Yeah team America. Yeah, we're fucking up everybody. Oh, is that right? Yeah, it's just guests. Wow, yeah. Team America. Yeah, we're fucking up everybody. Yeah, we're gonna. We need more astronauts. We're gonna YouTube it.

Not more of that stuff. Anyway, all right, I want to ask you guys a quick question because I see this often in our, our Q&As on Instagram. And we never answer it because, well, I know why we don't answer it, it's because what, what, maybe the best thing for us isn't what because what may be the best thing for us

isn't what's gonna be the best thing for someone else. But it gets asked so often that I wanna bring it up and that is what is each of your favorite maps program? And don't make it the obvious one because we all know like, you know, maps are symbolic, I was the first one I created that, you're like, perform it. What is your favorite maps program that you've used that's not one of the, I guess the core ones. Do you guys have one? Yeah. Yeah, old times, strength. That one's become

your favorite. It has. Yeah. And it's mainly just because it's stuff I used to play around with and mess around with just on my own, like, and try to get better at. And then having it deliberately program definitely made a difference in terms of the strength of that. But I always felt like those lists, I wish I incorporated them more because they translate so well to everything else. I just don't like, put emphasis on them otherwise. Yeah, they do.

It's so hard for me not, and if I were not to choose aesthetic, it would probably be symmetry. I wanna guess that for you. I definitely would guess that for you. Yeah, I mean, and aesthetic, I know is the one you don't want me to choose, but it's just so hard not to because it has nothing

to do with that. It was the one that I would like whatever that was related to my competing or that I influenced or what it has nothing to do with that. Has everything to do with that? Most of my training career, I felt like a big bulk of my clients were authentically driven or wanted to sculpt their body They wanted a more of a bud or they wanted to build their arms. They wanted a more developed chest and and I

Identify with that. I'm there even to this day when I'm training There's body parts when I look at my physique I'm like, oh, I should put a little more energy in this direction. So I'm always kind of doing that. And so I love that. I love that we wrote a program that allows you to pick a muscle group or two and go, okay, I'm gonna try and sculpt my physique.

And I think it's such an amazing thing that we can do that. So that, it's hard to not say that is my favorite, because it is my favorite. But then symmetry, I mean, that one is I'm really proud of that and the that's something that I would go to and default to if I'm not doing something like aesthetic because you know, I mean, we talked we've remember for so many years we were talking about the benefits of unilateral training yet we hadn't programmed like a true unilateral program. And with the fact that we incorporated isometrics inside there, which we never, I had never actually truly programmed isometrics like an actual phase

of it like we did. I always integrated it into my training, but never actually programmed it out like we did not. And then I love the fact that we have this at the end of that program, you have this ability to go do a phase that's bilateral to see, okay, how much of those isometrics and that unilateral training, how well did that benefit me and see and actually see it expressed in the final phase? So if I had to like narrow it down, those two to me are my favorite. I mean, I love those two. It was for me, MAP strong. I did not expect to like that one that much, but when I did it, I really built some quality muscle from that, but now it's maps 15.

Yeah, it's funny. Same. It makes sense. You two dug. So I did not expect. We created maps 15 as a way for people to break up the workouts with limited schedules, still get good results. I had a PR on dead lifts on that at the age of 43. to break up the workouts with limited schedules, still get good results.

I had a PR on dead lifts on that at the age of 43. And every time I follow it, I just feel good and I get stronger and it's so unexpected. It's so unexpected. I do the advanced version obviously. So I'm like, I love that program too. I did not expect it to be that kind of effective. I mean, I've been, all the programs I've been training most like that,

the longest, the last year. The most consistent. Has been most like MAP 15 than any of the other programs. And, you know, and to me, what the lesson of that was, you know, and as much as we communicate this on the podcast of, you know, there's, there's an effective dose, you're right? And there are the most appropriate. And then there's, there's an effective dose, you're right? And there are the most appropriate.

And then there's too much and there's not enough. And as fitness enthusiasts, I think we always tend to lean towards the most we could tolerate. Yeah, the most we could tolerate, not the most optimal for us. And I think that was the big lesson of map 15 is like, man, especially, you know, remember Arnold's famous for saying he could go into the gym and do one one set and it be more effective than some of your 10 sets. Yeah, that's somebody doing 10 or I forget

what he would have now, but the point of being is like, man, when you've been lifting for a really long time, not only do you have all the benefits of muscle memory, but then you also have the benefits of being able to get the most out of a couple exercises. I just think that we've reached that point. We have all these years and years and years of training. We don't need a ton of volume to elicit any sort of change or response. And you've gotten super effective at, you can go do a squat or a deadlift and get right into that movement and maximize that movement in a handful of sets. And so I just think that I'm reminded of that when

when doing math 15 of out man, when you've been lifting for a really long time like that, that thing is an incredible, incredible program. All right, I got a shout out. So Arnold's son, Joseph Bayena, this is the son that he had where he had the affair with his, you know, I think it was his housekeeper. But anyway, that he had where he had the affair with his, you know, I think it was his housekeeper. But anyway, it's pretty, I mean, pretty interesting. This kid looks more like Arnold than all the other kids do. And his body looks like Arnold's body. So he's been working out natural.

I don't think he's taking any, any starves or anything like that because he looks natural. But his body shape, like the way his pecs are shaped, his arms are stealth. Bro, he's got them, it's like he took almost, like all the Arnold genetics. So anyway, it's pretty cool.

He's got a decent page. Nothing like you're gonna learn a ton of off of it, but if you're an Arnold fan, it's really interesting. So check it out. There's a company called Butcherbox that delivers to your door, grass-fed meats, heritage pork, chicken that's raised amazingly, humanly, wild cop fish and great prices.

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if you use them just as a way to lift more weight. If you're doing it because you can't do a full range of motion squat or press or whatever. But if you use them to train a particular range of motion that you may have a weakness in. Yeah, from a performance aspect. Yeah, so let's say that you when you bench press that you get the bar half an inch off your chest and you get stuck and you know if you could just move it four inches Then you'll be able to press the bar up Well, you could train in that range of motion Or you come all the way down and come up a little bit and come back down and

Strengthen that part of the range of motion and or strengthen a weak part of the rap So that's one effective way. The other effective way, which I'm very careful, how I say this, because people are going to take this too far, but if you're training and you're utilizing intensity as the main factor to elicit muscle growth, if you're going through a phase, for example, maps and a ball of advanced has this, right?

Where there's definite judicious, and now it's used judiciously, but there are segments where you're trying to go to failure and beyond partial reps can be good here as well what does that mean by beyond well you go to technical failure meaning uh-oh I can't do another full rep without bad form now I'm going to do two or three half reps to squeeze out just a little bit more those are the two main ways I like to use partial. I'm trying to think of an analogy that encompasses all of these novel stimulus, stimulus that people always ask about. Partial reps, cluster sets, pyramid stacking, giant set. I mean, these are all these tools.

These are all interruptors. And they all have value. And I'm trying to, I guess the best analogy I can come up with is like in basketball, where you learn all these great moves, like a spin move and a behind the back and a crossover and a between the legs move. And like those are all, those are all apply in the game. Like there's good, and if you practice them and know how to do them well You can insert those in the game and they be very effective at the right times

But you know how ridiculous you would look if you came down the court and every time every move was a move Right if it was a you went between the legs and you went behind the back and then you went and then you were constantly doing that It would be ridiculous and you wouldn't be very effective at the game. Margin for error would increase the same. Right, and so I think that's kind of similar in the situation like, man, yeah, they got great value, but people abuse them and they look ridiculous.

They constantly are using all these stimuluses and it's like, man, the fundamentals are what's gonna move the needle. Like you're standard five by five of your biggest five lifts and working on good form and technique and tempo. And that is the meat and potatoes of you, moving the needle when it comes to strength, performance, sculpting your body.

That is, you stay there 90% of the time just getting good at that stuff and then you know, you have all these great tools now personally I like using these novel things when when time is a factor or it makes sense or like or I'm limited to equipment So I'm gonna do some of these kind of unique techniques because all I have is dumbbells or all I have is 20 minutes And so I utilize a lot of these novel Stimuluses that are the increase intensity in the workout and because I don't do it very often I get a great response from it versus how I use it as a kid Because I too was like fascinated by all these you know magazine articles where I read about a cluster set or I, I read about partial raps and, and of course, when you read about them, they attach them to some

study that says, this will elicit this much more change by doing this or it gets this much more muscle activation. And so we get, we gravitate towards it like it's going to make this big difference. And it's like, no, that's not the bulk of your training or book of your training should be the fundamentals. And then everyone's like, yeah, it's the fun stuff, right? That I think it's, there's value in doing things to shake it up and have fun. But it's not something that's like a staple

and that's something that's really like moving the needles much is it's just like, this is kind of interrupting, disrupting what your normal method of operation looks like. And, you know, in terms of that, and two, from a performance aspect, so like doing a partial squat and things like that, it will apply for a leverage perspective with your using like a, you know, like seven foot guy that's squatting down and his full range, but his optimal depth in terms of being able to generate force is the consideration there.

So it looks different than say somebody that's joined to go full range of motion, ask the grass squat. So I mean, you can justify it in certain directions like that, but overall, the majority of people need to seek out a full range of motion exercise. Yeah, there's a bit of a belief too that, and this was more in the 90s, you still see this somewhat, but in the 90s, this became a thing for a second,

and the reason I fell out of favor is it didn't work, but the belief was that the load on the bar, which created a lot of tension, mattered more than the full range of motions, they said, okay, if you could bench press 150 pounds with the full range of motion, you're better off doing 250 with partial range of motion because of the load. And that's going to make it more effective because you're lifting heavier weight. Well, this has been proven false. I will say this though, the one category of people were partial, what would appear to be partial reps in the sense that it's not what would be considered the standard, um, full range of motion or what's accepted standard, full range of motion. The one category of people where they could train with lots

of partial reps are athletes when it's specifically applied to what they're working on and training. Now, if you get a beginner basketball player, you got kids that work with a full range of motion, full range of motion. You get advanced players. I'm not going to take a D1 basketball player and have them work on full range of motion squats. He's going to get more out of training partial, you know, half or quarter squats because that's the strength that he needs to develop in a sport. In fact, full range of motion squats may actually change his recruitment patterns on the courts, the point where it takes away from his performance.

And you see this sometimes when they post videos of high level athletes doing these half squats, and then all the trainers on the internet, who have no idea, oh, that's dumb, that's not even a full squat, it's like, okay, you don't understand what they're training for, it's totally different. Next question is from KPM Strength. What are the best books on programming design

and the best meal plan resources? All right, let's talk about program design for a second. There's some books that are out there that are pretty good, starting strength with Mark Ripto's, pretty good for some of the basics. You can look at good mobility stuff, like supple leopard is pretty good, but I'll tell you what,

nothing taught me more about program design than following well-established effective programs for myself, for my clients. Studying and looking at what top Olympic coaches do with their programming. Looking at well-established powerlifting routines, like Westside Barbells, a pro. Yeah, Westside is a great example.

Looking at traditional bodybuilding routines that are accepted, I learned a lot. Looking at functional training or athletic training for different sports and what accepted models of training. I learned more, it's almost like buying the car and then breaking it down to see how it works. I learned way more from that. So where am I getting at?

Well, if you're a trainer or a coach and you're training the average person and you want to figure out a program design, rather than buying a book and learning all the ins and outs and trying to figure it out, and then you gotta apply experience, you could literally get three or four staple maps programs, follow them with your clients,

see how they're written, and start to understand why they're written the way they're written and how they work on your clients, you'll get more out of that than trying to go from the bottom up where you're learning all the pieces and whatever. So I loved doing this as a trainer. I loved looking up, how did the Soviets train their Olympic athletes? What's the Bulgarian method? What, you know, how did Arnold work out? How did Mike Menser work out? What's Westside Barbell's

routine in structure look like? That taught me more about workout programming besides experience than anything else. Yeah, I mean, the strength world, I think, is really good at that. And like juggernaut trains another example, Chad Wesley Smith, that, but for books, like for me, it was like super training by Mel Sif that that highlights what Sal is talking about for the Soviet studies and to be able to kind of extract how they program that with their Olympic athletes and then you know what you can what you can compile yourself and kind of structure but I mean it's it's so much of an experience thing over anything. It's really not in a book because of the fact that every individual provides so many

different variables that it's really like a lot of detective work, a lot of asking the right questions, plays the biggest factor in how you structure and prescribe an effective program. You know, I actually got a lot of value. This is one of the few things I think I did get a lot of value from all the national certifications that I went through. Especially like the NSM. All right.

The OPP team model. I'm sure I have an OPP team model. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. They're, they're OPP model and then their CES. What was it? Was it stabilized?

But I mean, yeah, yeah, but they're, you know, the seven of the OPP, but here's the thing though, to your point, because we had some trainers in here not recently, or just recently, they were asking, and I always get frustrated when I'm talking to our trainers that listen to the show and stuff like that, and that don't own the programs. And that's not because I know I have a bias, right? It's our business for you to buy our programs,

and it's support, help support the business, but honestly, when I'm telling that to one person, then buying all our programs, they're gonna do shit for us or the business that makes a difference either way. It's really like, how do you not do that? Because I learned most of everything, and okay, you guys just rattled off four, five,

six different books that you've learned that from. We all have 20 years plus experience now. National certifications range you from $800 to $2,000 a pop. And I'm talking about- Sometimes more? I'm talking four or five of those is where I'm saying I got a good chunk of the stuff that I've learned for programming.

So I guess you could go out and buy all those things and invest all those things or you could buy every one of our programs for the price of one of those national certifications. And that's what it is. or you could buy every one of our programs for the price of one of those national specifications. And that's what it is. It's literally the combined knowledge of all three of us, of all those things that we've read, expand, and then also experience with clients, and then put it into programming, and then unpack it.

I mean, that's, we name the phases. We name the programs. There's avatars that we build around it who we say they're for. We talk all about them. So you should know like, oh, this fits this demographic. Okay. Well, let's see what the guys did. Oh, what they didn't phase one. Oh, what they do in phase two is like, oh, and then start to piece that together and Apply that yourself. I mean, I just think that that's one of the best ways that you could possibly that's how I'd want to learn at least like if I If I could go back and there was something like this, then I maybe I wouldn't have to

bought eight national certifications. Maybe I would have bought one or two, and then I would have just had all of your guys' programs and listen to the show, and then I would like, okay, I get this, I get what's going on over here. You know, you also, also, this sounds silly, and I guess not, is to your experience with yourself. Not that this will teach you everything it won't, because everybody's so different. But to experience what it feels like,

to let's say squat after you deadlift, right? Not a good idea, right? But experience it and be like, oh, I probably shouldn't program it this way. Or why on paper, some exercises look like they may create more stress in the body, but in application that's not the case. There's a lot of situations like that when you look in extras like, oh this one is compound, it should provide more stress. And then when you do it, you're like, wait a minute, that's not the experience at all, that might look like that.

This skill is a little too complicated to implement right now. Yes. You get to develop their way up to that point to be able to perform it. Well, and I feel like the second part of this question is the same thing with the meal plan thing. It's like, well, one, I don't give meal plans. I stopped giving meal plans over 10 years ago to clients. Yeah, they're robust.

Yeah, they're robust. Instead, what I have them do is tell me how they already currently eat, I then assess it, and then I make adjustments. And there's no one plan or one book you can read to figure that out. I mean, that's like, you have to understand nutrition. You have to understand RDAs on macro-micronutrients, and then understand through trial and error and practice of like, oh, how do people report when they are low and fiber? What are some of the common things here? Like, and what's neat, we do live in a chat GBT Google era that you could actually

probably Google and Journal and take notes on all these things. But a lot of that is just getting in there and practicing and no one, you know, no two clients are going to be exactly the same. Even if they're goal is same. If you have two clients, both are women at 35, both want to lose 25 pounds. They could be completely different nutritionally. One of them, grossly under-consumes protein

and is deprived of healthy fats. The other one, over-consumes sugar, but gets plenty of fiber and eats plenty of protein. I mean, it could be a thousand different variables in that. And so learning how to write a meal plan to me is not a great threat. Understanding nutrition, not to mention the adherence, like what you're describing in terms of those methodologies.

Like it's like 99, 9.0 points, more effective than handing somebody like, here's your most optimal way I want you to be the only people if you're a trainer or coach the only people you should be writing meal plans for are competitors people who compete in the get on stage and they have to have everything way if you're writing meal plans for your average client and doing something wrong. That's about. And even then even with my competitors I still assess the diet and still have. I still tackle the same way a good resource Okay, though is your NCI right nutrition coaching institute and they deal a lot with the coaching around nutrition right and I think precision is another great company out there

I think NCI is better because I think they do a better job of teaching the application But if you just want the the heavy knowledge think precision is great But you need to have knowledge around nutrition Not knowledge around building meal plans because they're different Next question is from hoop golf 89. What are your thoughts on rodeo? La rodeo la rodeo la the the Soviets loved rodeo la So this is one of the first one of the only I should say sorry my loved rodeo. So this is one of the only, I should say sorry. My first rodeo.

That's great guys. Nice. It's one of the only herbs or botanicals or supplements, natural supplements that has a lot of data supporting its efficacy. It literally does what it says that it does. All right, so what is rodeoidial it well? It improves mental clarity, athletic performance in particular, stamina

and endurance. It does promote wakefulness, so not like caffeine, but in a way in a slightly similar way to where you do get a little bit of a boost in energy. And it does improve your body's tolerance to stress, which might help you with how your body adapts to exercise in terms of muscle building fat loss. And there are some studies that point that it may help with muscle building and fat loss too. Probably as such a small extent, you won't notice. What you'll mostly notice on Rodeola is

faster recovery, lower stress. You're gonna feel sharper and you'll have more stamina. It's one of the own, it's like up there with like Ashwagandha. It's like one of the only ones up there that, because there's a lot of herbs and stuff out that they try to tout for certain things. Rodeola's got data.

There's a lot of data that supports. Isn't it the one that I don't like, though? It's too much, you don't like. So like me. Yeah, because there are some things I think that we've taken that I haven't had that effect. But there are some supplements where I have taken in the rodeo on it.

I swear it makes me feel bad. Yeah, that's one of the ones for me. So if you pull up, by the way, there's a good website called examine.com. If you're ever looking to look up a supplement or a compound and they do compile all the data and studies for whatever you're looking up. And it's clear, and this is on examin, which I trust.

I trust this site because every time I cross reference or studies and stuff that are being, you know, they're good. It's clear that Rodeola increases resilience to stress at both the cellular and systemic levels. The Soviets studied this for their soldiers. That's what they studied us. It's to see if it would be something, and they did establish, there should be something to give to soldiers to be able to fight better in the cold, in the heat without as much

food, without as much sleep, and without as much water. So it's interesting. Now, I know I just made it sound like Super Serum or something like that. It's not going to turn you into Captain America, but of all the herbs that are out there for exercise performance benefits, this is one of the ones you'll probably feel if you took it. That'll get turned into a commercial for someone watch.

Next question is from Mason Burnt. What is the average pricing for training per hour? Oh man, that's a very good country. Very substantially, right? You know it's interesting about this. You're here's who determines the price of your training. You and the consumer. In other words, how much you want to charge and then how much people are willing to pay. Okay, so now that we're done with Econ 101,

so what do I charge? Well, okay, it depends on what your perceived authority is, how much value you've now presented to the person that you're talking to, and of course, you have to calculate in there what you're willing to work for and your circumstances. If you're brand new, if you have no experience, you're just getting started, you know this.

The most valuable thing to you, besides money, is practice. Is practice. It's practice. I mean, I have strong opinions around coaches and trainers that get hung up on this. I'm not gonna train for less than three. Right, right. Oh, they're like, I have strong opinions around coaches and trainers that get hung up on this. I'm not gonna train for less than three. It's like, right, oh, they're like, I wanna be competitive.

What's there, it's like, if you were entering the market, I would look around and see what the trainers pricing, and then I would price under that, right away. And get experience. And get experience. And that's the first goal. The first goal is not, hey, I'm gonna get rich doing this. Hey, it's like, can I price myself under what others are pricing?

And do for free. And get my book filled. Can I get enough people to where I can't take any more people? That's goal one. Now, goal two is I'm gonna get all kinds of practice and I'm gonna learn on all of these people now that I'm coaching up. And then, and only then, if do I feel confident that,

okay, I've got a lot of hours under my belt now and I'm feeling confident, I'm getting people results and now I'm getting more people that wanna come on but then I don't have any slots. Great, now the inevitable will happen. Clients will fall off, clients will get the results, clients will move and spots will eventually open up or contracts will be due for renewal.

Now I start moving my prices up. Now every person coming on after that is higher than what the one was before. And I'm just going to keep moving that up as I feel more and more confident in my abilities. And so, but too many trainers get worried about what they should price themselves on, and what they should be most worried about is getting to 10,000 hours because it literally is going to take you close to that before you even truly think you're that good. And that's a long time. That's a long time of working to get to 10,000 hours. So worrying about how competitive your pricing is right now early on, you're just your way ahead of yourself.

Like go prove, and by the way, that same philosophy applied with what we did here. It's not like we sat down and go like, hey, what should we sell maps programs for? Or how much should we charge for advertising? Like when we are starting the podcast, no, you know what we did? Let's go prove somebody wants to listen to this.

Yeah. Let's go prove. They don't want to listen for free. They're gonna. Exactly. Let's go prove that we have enough free valuable content that we can attract potentially thousands or maybe even millions of people to listen to us. Then we'll start worrying about how much authority. Yes. And that's the thing is really because this is such a people will go to who their friend recommends, like you build a reputation when you're starting out. And so to be more professional and to be the one that's taking it the most serious as your career is the focus.

That's like, and as many people as they can get into practice and improve and create like systems and figure all this stuff out where I'm in such high demand that now I'm just naturally it will show itself to you. I've got to raise race just in order to fit you in and to limit the volume that I have. Yeah, to give an example. So people say, I want examples. I trained in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley. So already things are more expensive here. So people expect to pay more rent is more expensive, et cetera.

I also had a studio in Los Gatos, which is a small suburb that is a more affluent suburb. So people, you know, typically will spend even more there, whatever. And this was 12, 10 years ago, the last time I trained people. So we're, 10 years ago, the last time I trained people. So we're talking 10 years ago. And at that point, I had already had a lot of experience.

I'd already trained people for, you know, over, you know, one and a half decades, like 15 years at that point. I'd already had lots of experience. I knew what I was doing, I had built a good reputation. My top per session rate was $150 back then. Just to give people an example of what that would look like. But, you know, depends on the area and all that stuff My top per session rate was $150 back then. Just to give people an example of what that would look like.

But, you know, depends on the area and all that stuff and what people will give you. Here's a good thing if you're a trainer, good thing to pay attention to. If this one always, this is a very common mistake that trainers will make. If your books are so full and you have a wait list, that is a sign that you're charging too little.

That means your value is so high versus your price that you have people waiting to get on your books and you already train too many people. Raise your prices. Raise your prices to the, well, you don't have a wait list. If you have a wait list, you're charging too little, you're short-changing. But that's a good goal to try and get to that. Like that's what most trainers should be striving to get at. Is can I get to a place where I've got a wait list

and then you have a lot more? Now I'll say this for the consumer, someone listening, how much should I pay for a trainer? You need to forget the pay for a second. What do you want out of it? Do you want just someone to exercise you? Well then just find the cheapest guy or girl. Doesn't matter.

Do you want to get results that last forever? Do you want to have someone train you and guide you in a way to where you can really? Figure this out figure out your body the train you properly you don't get hurt You feel good. It doesn't feel like you're Surviving your workouts it feels like you're thriving that they're sticks and it lasts They either creating an environment where you want to show up. This is you're starting to develop and build this relationship with an exercise where like, you know what? I think I finally have found a way to do this for the rest of my life.

And I feel good and things are changing and it's sustainable and great. If you find that, then the most expensive train in your area, whatever they charges, worth it. Because, you know, you spend, if you spend, imagine, imagine if you could guarantee yourself that, if you're listening right now, and you want those things for yourself, and I told you, it'll cause, and guarantee it. If I had a magic wand, I said, guarantee it, I'll wipe away this one, and all the things I just said will happen to you.

How much would you spend on that? I bet you it's a lot more than what most trainers were charged. So as a consumer, don't get, a consumer, don't be screwed up by the perception of what people charge. Well, that sounds too expensive. If it works, it's worth it. If it works, it's worth it because there's great trainers out there. Right. And as good as there's good trainers out there, there's ones that are really, really bad as well. That aren't worth, it's not even worth paying them to train you. So what I'm trying to say.

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