Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2229: Ways to Correct an Extreme Muscle Asymmetry, Tips to Overcome Excessive Water Retention, How to Prevent Muscle Loss When Training for a Half Marathon & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:10 If you're interested, go to mapsfitinusproducts.com and then use the code, maps, excuse me, use the code December 50 for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes a show. That thing you did a long time ago, that diet, that workout plan, that whatever, that worked. You know the one that made you lose weight and feel amazing, but then you gained the way back or whatever. Now you're looking back and saying, I'm going to do that again because it worked. No, it probably won't or at the very least, it may not work. Look, here's a deal. What you did before that worked for you before isn't guaranteed to work again.

Starting point is 00:02:46 Things change, you get older. Your lifestyle changes, context changes. There's lots of things that change. So what you did before might have worked before, but it doesn't mean it's gonna work again. You're a different person now, look at it that way. Old rules don't apply. What made you think of that?

Starting point is 00:03:02 Well, how many times did you get a client who says, God, this is the thing I did. I did this one thing, I lost weight. Or, you know, before I just cut my carbs and totally worked for me, or I followed this one workout, and it was really great and it was awesome.

Starting point is 00:03:17 And, you know, it all worked for me. Just ran a lot more. Yeah, and I look at them and I go, oh, when did you do that? Well, you know, it was 15 years ago. Did you have kids? 15? No, I don't have kids. when did you do that? Well, you know, it was 15 years ago. Did you have kids? 15, no, I don't have kids. What was your job like?

Starting point is 00:03:28 Well, it, you know, it doesn't work like I do now. Or, yeah, I'm 45 now. When I did that, I was 25 or whatever. And I get it, by the way, I understand this. When you have success with something, and then later on, you have that problem again. You look back and go, well, it worked for me then. Why can't it work for me now?

Starting point is 00:03:48 But everything changes, especially, and including the context of your life. Not to mention just your age, a lot of things change as you get older and your lifestyle changes. And what you might have done before might either be too much, not enough or just inappropriate. And people tend to get attached that one thing that worked once so much.

Starting point is 00:04:07 So, I don't know if you guys ever experienced this, that people will continue to try it over and over again because it worked that one time. Yeah, and I feel like too, you could kind of lump in some of these crashed diets into that equation just because there's pictures of when they would portray themselves as, oh, I looked the best here.

Starting point is 00:04:26 And I, and it's like this, this weird, like, I guess, dissonant kind of cognitive dissonance that they have in terms of like, what was actually happening versus like, how they really felt when they're doing that process. Like sometimes they just, like conveniently forget that part of it and just look at like What they'd like to see themselves look like do you think that has more to do with Where their bodies are currently at right now or that They saw results 15 20 years ago despite or in spite of the the actual

Starting point is 00:05:00 Bad choice it was like to do it that way like meaning you know, for example bad choice it was like to do it that way. Like meaning, you know, for example, you definitely have heard this like, well, I just would just, I would cut out all the alcohol and start running every day for five miles and I would get in two weeks, I'd be in great shape. But it's not working now. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:15 And then now it doesn't work anymore. And it's like, well, you know, that wasn't a good strategy even 15 years ago. And it definitely isn't a good strategy now. So you think it has more to do with that or do you think there's seriously something going on with their lives and their age and their hormones. And also how about this, during those 15 years,

Starting point is 00:05:35 how many times did they gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose and add fat cells to their body? I mean, so all of those things, let me ask you guys this. I know I already know the answer, Blossy, I says this, when you guys were 23, could you go out with your friends, drink, stay out till 2, 3 a.m. Wake up at 7 a.m. the next day, go to work, train clients,

Starting point is 00:05:56 work out and be like, okay, yeah, what happens if you do that now? Oh, yeah, it's like dead man wall. Oh, yeah, I mean, there was a time in my life where I just had to look at a treadmill and I could lose weight. I tried it. You know, sometimes I'm going to stare it in for like 15 minutes. It's just a work like that. So yeah, well, I mean, there's a lot of look. I used to say this all the time. As I remember too having, because I was a young general manager, right? So when I was managing Jim's house, 1920.

Starting point is 00:06:28 So I had a lot of staff members that were, in their late 20s, some in their 30s, especially the other management team were being their mid 30s, and then older managers were in their 40s, right? And I would say things like, I'll sleep when I'm dead or whatever. And they'd say, oh, you're gonna change your tune when you get older.

Starting point is 00:06:44 And I did not believe it. I did not believe it when I'm dead or whatever and they'd say oh, you're gonna change your tune when you get older and I did not believe it I did not believe it when I was at age. Yeah, I just go, you know what I mean? I could just do this right and then of course as you get older a week and you let yourself go. Yeah, you look back You're like wow, it's true. There's this definitely there's definitely a big difference and and this is that's just it There's like a lot of things that check, look, okay, to give you an example, when scientists are doing studies, they have to do really good controls. Okay, what that means is, is if you're testing

Starting point is 00:07:15 two groups of people on a drug or a method or anything, the more you can control everything else and make it identical, the more accurate the study's gonna be. Because if group A has terrible sleep and group B has great sleep, then maybe the intervention wasn't when made them feel better or cause the fat loss or whatever.

Starting point is 00:07:38 The sleep played a role. So we can't possibly know. This is why twin studies are so valuable because at least you can control the genetics, right is why twin studies are so valuable because you can, at least you can control the genetics, right? But then there's still lifestyle. That's why the like the gold standard for studies is like, let's lock these people in the lab and watch them and give them what to eat and give them what to drink and, you know, control as much as we can. So it's like, you know, as you get older or you handle more stress in your life, like, okay,

Starting point is 00:08:05 we didn't have a mortgage, you didn't have two kids, you didn't, you know, go through a divorce or losing a job or whatever. It's just different now. This, you know, this really hits me as I've gotten older and I've been consistent this entire time with my workouts and stuff. But you know, my hard head will look back and be like, well, I used to be able to do that much volume. I used to go that intense with I used to be able to do that much volume. I used to go that intense with my workout.

Starting point is 00:08:26 This can't be too much volume. I have the symptoms of doing too much, but this was never too much for me. And then I remind myself, like, well, yeah, that was, I don't know, 20 years ago, my body's responding a little differently now. So yeah, it's not the same. I'm not the same person.

Starting point is 00:08:41 Well, my first thought, getting somebody like this that has been out of training or Nutrition for you know years and they're trying to get back into it and they have this perception of what they used to do is to Test and really get an accurate account of like where they're at right now and like now that we have this At our disposal, and we can just get like Testing in terms of what you're deficient in, nutrient-wise, like your hormones, just so you can account for what you're working with right now,

Starting point is 00:09:09 because it is gonna be so much different than who you were like 10 years ago or whatever. I mean, I've shared this before. That was like one of the recommendations everyone I first met Katrina that, she would not only did her mom say this to all our kids, but anyone I ever heard talk about health was like, she'd always recommend that you go get your blood

Starting point is 00:09:25 work and everything done when you're young, when you're early, like in your late 20s or early 30s. You're like, I deal with profiles. Yeah, so you have an idea. Wait, because a lot of us don't do that, right? What do we tend to do? We wait to go see the mechanic till something's broken, right? You know, we wait to go see the doctor,

Starting point is 00:09:39 after we see symptoms or like the bad stuff, versus, hey, you know what, I feel really good and vibrant young right now. Let's go see where all my levels are at. So I kind of know where home no stasis is for me. Speaking of that, how has your journey been on the less testosterone or no testosterone? How long do you last? You know, like four weeks or so. And so I went off and did the product and doing the protocol to get my bodies testosterone to kick up and there's gonna be a lag where you know before everything else kicks in you're gonna experience kind of low testosterone and it sucks

Starting point is 00:10:16 It sucks man my My libido you I could tell obviously you know went way down and just less drive You know what I mean? Where you just kind of like, whoa, you know, it just didn't feel the same. It just didn't feel good. I felt bad. So yeah, I failed.

Starting point is 00:10:33 So I went back on testosterone. And I may attempt this again in the future. I'm glad I did it because it helps me connect to, you know, when men call in or whatever and they have some of these symptoms. But it didn't, it doesn't feel good. It was right around week three where I could tell, like, oh, I'm something's different.

Starting point is 00:10:51 I was talking about it. Working out, say what? That's about what it takes. Yeah, the first two weeks, you're still in your system, right? You're still, especially when you're running at high levels, like you were running, it takes a good solid two weeks before that completely comes down. It's on in a week three. three was about when I really started.

Starting point is 00:11:07 I was going through the motions of my workout. I've, which I've done before in the past, if I've gone through something stressful or whatever, or I'm just, I'm doing the motion, but I'm like, it's not, I don't feel it. Oh, I remember how much I lost the drive to even workout, like I lost my love for it. You know what I mean, I love to work out.

Starting point is 00:11:21 I mean, we all do, half a while we've, we have a passion in the field, right? We truly enjoy the process of lifting weights. And I remember for the first time in my life, I lost that. Like I was just like, I don't like this. And I'm not enjoying it. And so it did help me connect and relate to so many clients who have expressed that. And I did it for such a short time. I, I, I 100% did not feel the full effects. I would have to have gone another month or two, but I felt where I already was. And I was like, why am I doing this?

Starting point is 00:11:52 Like this isn't, like I'm not trying to be off forever. I've already, you know, accepted this, gonna be something I'm gonna be taking for, you know, for the rest of my life. Did you find yourself drawn to more lifetime original content? Yeah. You know what, it's funny. It's find yourself drawn to more lifetime original content? Yeah. You know what, it's funny.

Starting point is 00:12:06 It's not that I got more emotional or anything like that. It just made me, I don't know how to explain it, blah. You know? Yeah, I just kind of lose your mind. I think of all the things that I noticed the most was the drive. I the drive to just get up and do stuff. I didn't want to, home, I didn't want to move

Starting point is 00:12:21 and do anything. When I go to the gym, I like, I didn't want to work out. Like, it was, that of all the things that I noticed, I noticed that the most, you know, my libido was a little bit affected, but it wasn't like, that wasn't dramatic, not like the drive side. And I guess, maybe people,

Starting point is 00:12:39 I noticed my libido was like, I feel like crashed. Oh, did it really that bad? Yeah, I mean, mine did, but not horrific. Like it wasn't where I, you know, didn't want to have sex at least once or twice a week. Right. So, I mean, that's not horrific, right? But the big thing was the drive. Was the drive to want to get shit done to, you know, and maybe, maybe if you are that kind of type A personality, you, you recognize that extreme probably feel a bit more.

Starting point is 00:13:05 Yeah, that's the other end of the spectrum even more because you're on the probably the further end of that spectrum too. You know, back to the original topic, just focusing on the age part is an important one because as trainers, this was always a touchy one for us because a lot of times people place things that are not associated with getting older.

Starting point is 00:13:27 Yeah, you know, they place symptoms on their age when they don't have to do has nothing to do with their age. It has to do with their lifestyle. So like, oh, it's because I'm getting older. It's like, well, no, it's because you eat crappy. You don't you get bad sleep. You're not exercising properly. Centery. But on the other end of that is there are real things that happen as you age. So it's not like nothing happens. There's definitely things that happen as you age. A lot of it has to do with, and we kind of talked about this,

Starting point is 00:13:55 is that you got results when you were younger in spite of the shitty workout programming, the improper diet and the lack of sleep. And so now that you're still doing those things, you just can't get away with them like you used to. So for someone who's, you know, as you get older, you got to use your wisdom. And so what that means is you got to pay attention to other things. You got to pay attention to not just your workout program has to be appropriate.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Here's a deal. When you get older, you can't have extra fluff in your workout. All that's going to do, everything has to be intentional. Correct. If there's extra stuff in your workout, you're not getting any benefit from it. All you're doing is compromising your recovery. But you probably already have slightly compromised because a 45-year-old's lifestyle is oftentimes way more responsibilities, way more stresses than when you were 25 or even 30, right? So you probably have kids, you probably have a mortgage, you got a job.

Starting point is 00:14:56 So there's more life stresses. And then as you get older, your body's going to recover a little, it's going to take a little more time to recover that kind of stuff. So really, a lot of it has to do with, you can't get away with what you did before. So a really smart way to approach it is, look at your workout, no fluff. Let's make this as effective and as appropriate as possible. Let's look at training my body around potential movement pattern issues I've developed because you just been on earth longer.

Starting point is 00:15:26 So you probably have some aches and pains that are the result of you moving a particular way for 20 years or whatever. You got to focus on that. And then you got to look at the rest of your life. You got to look at the lifestyle stuff. So like a 20 year old, you know, I'll talk to them about that kind of stuff as well, but somebody's 45, 55, 65, just a harder sell. Yeah, we're looking at all the other stuff as well.

Starting point is 00:15:47 And then when you do that, here's what happens. Now I'm going to flip the script here and just now that I've craped everybody out who's over 40. I used to get this all the time. I would get clients who, when they would get on board, would figure this out, take a little while, but then we would do things right. They'd say to me, I feel better now

Starting point is 00:16:07 than I did in my 20s. I'm in the best shape of my life. And I used to get that all the time from people who were good at it. Well, is there a way that you have either found to reframe that process for either yourself or for your clients? I feel like that's what I had to do

Starting point is 00:16:20 was to make that connection because there's like instantly you think, oh man, this sucks. I used to do was to make that connection because instantly you think, oh man, this sucks. I used to be able to just do this and I would get these results where now I have to focus on my sleep. I do this cold plunge thing now. I have to take these walks. I have to do these positive affirmations.

Starting point is 00:16:37 I have to do all these things to get these kind of results. The reframing for me has become connecting the dots, just like we try and do with exercise with clients, to all these other behaviors in your life that you need to focus on in order to see the same kind of result as you saw or better results than you saw on your 20s, as they have carryovers into other excursions.

Starting point is 00:16:57 Right, yes, totally. So it's like maybe my main goal is to just lose 20 pounds of body fat or say build five pounds of muscle and your point that you're making right now is there's other things that we need to address. Say, sleep is a obvious example. But it's not like addressing sleep only really benefits my body fat loss and our body composition goal. What's cool is that, oh wow, that might have been the driver of why I started to focus on it. But oh wow, now that I noticed I'm getting better sleep, I'm more productive at work.

Starting point is 00:17:25 I'm a better husband, but better father. Like I feel better in the morning time. Now I'm not this angry morning person anymore. Like, you know, so reframing all these things now that, that I'm older, that I have to focus on to get the same kind of results that I do when I was younger, that's okay because I'm starting to realize that, oh, all these other things that I do in order to

Starting point is 00:17:45 get those kind of results have so much carryover into other aspects of my life. 100%. It's not just about the aesthetics. Now, once you start implementing and looking at those other things, everything else gets a lot better. Everything else gets a lot better. But yeah, it's like, you know, you don't, what do they say, youth is wasted on the young. You just got to wait with a lot is really what it was. I mean, I look back at my life and how I worked and how I slapped and the supplements I took and how I worked down and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:18:17 And I got to wait with it. It wasn't, it wasn't ideal at all. Well, you didn't really know your limitations. You didn't really, you know, I guess it's a bit of an experiment when you're younger. You're just really kind of putting all those, you're testing all of those factors. And that's the advantage you have when you're older.

Starting point is 00:18:40 As you know how your body's gonna respond a lot of times to certain things and to be able to take a little bit more of the ego out of it, especially. I was younger, I wanted to press it constantly, throttle, and I would always go over. Here's a deal. I'll say this is obviously as a trainer. You give me a 25-year-old or you give me a 45 year old and they're both like, yeah, pretty serious about, you know, working out whatever, getting fit.

Starting point is 00:19:10 I'm, it's easier to get the 45 year old to apply a lot of other things. A 25 year old is going to be like, the buying of the, you're going to work with a 25 year old kid, you're trying to laugh at you. Well, and that goes back to the original point of you get to you get to see these results at 25 in spite of your good training diet and all those things like that. Whereas with the 45 year old, it requires all the things. But then the positive, the positive side to that is the 40 plus year old that you get to change some of those behaviors.

Starting point is 00:19:39 They see huge differences. I mean, it was, I mean, even like testosterone, testosterone, like taking testosterone for me at 40 something years old versus what I took in doses in my mid-20s. Oh, yeah. It's like, like, I remember in my mid-20s, I'm like, I think I feel it. I think I kind of feel it. It's like, oh, no, there is no, and by the way, two to three times the dose that I take now at 40 years old, which is like tiny compared to that dose. But yeah, I feel it way, it makes a way bigger difference in my life today than it did when I was 25 and already probably had high enough to testosterone as it is. I feel the same thing goes when you are taking a, you know, 40 plus year old client

Starting point is 00:20:17 and you're getting them to follow some of these things and change some of these behaviors, they change it. We're a 25 year old, you tell them like, oh, prioritize your sleep and do this, and then you ask them, how did you feel this, eh? Huh? Yeah. The same, you might get it, you know what I'm saying? It's like, really?

Starting point is 00:20:30 You only got two hours of sleep, the three days before that. Now you felt the same after, you know? Yeah, there's a lack of awareness. There's a lack of that kind of awareness. I remember having that. There's a lack of awareness. There's resiliency and youth that they have on their side.

Starting point is 00:20:43 There's a lot of things that are going in that direction. So like we're 40 plus, you feel the needle get moved when you, when you, you can't, but look, I tell you what, there's a lot of world records set by people on those age groups in terms of strength. Your body never loses the ability to adapt. So you can always build muscle, you can always burn body fat. You just have to apply it all the right way.

Starting point is 00:21:04 I don't, am I allowed to even talk about this new program that I've been, I've really allowed to talk about it. You can let people know it's coming. It's coming, so I can let them know because I was trying to get your attention earlier, we're busy doing something. So we have something coming out for people like this who are over 40, specifically.

Starting point is 00:21:23 And it's the, I think it's the only program that includes lifestyle. Not just workout and, you know, the obvious stuff, obviously you get your workout, everything planned out with the considerations of somebody who's over 40, but you also get more lifestyle stuff. Well, I've noticed that makes a big difference. I mean, in my opinion, it's the most important part

Starting point is 00:21:44 of the thought that went into writing this because there's not a lot of different exercises that I'm going to do with somebody at 40 than I would at say 25 or 30 years old. Maybe I have to take some things into consideration, right? Yes, because of joint health and in their entire and things like that. So there are some considerations and then obviously we built those into the program. But the biggest thing that I think is focused on with my clients that were 40 plus was the attention to the lifestyle, to the point we're making right now. Those are the things we have daily habits that you can appearance. We've never touched any of those in any of our programs.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Where we actually... This is stuff we ask every single session. Correct. Forhand. Yeah, I mean, obviously. We have to get data points and this just makes it easier for them to self-assess and go through that process. I mean, if you've listened to the podcast for long enough, you've heard all this advice. This is just the first time that we programmed. Like, okay, how would you teach it? So if we were to take a client who agrees, like, okay, nodding their head, yeah, I want to start some of those things. Oh, yeah, I need to do that. Okay, well, how do I get a client to start to adhere to those things? So this is- Here's what it looks like. Yeah, here's what it looks like. Oh, yeah, I need to do that. Okay, well, how do I get a client to start to add here

Starting point is 00:22:45 to those things? Well, this is what it looks like. Yeah, here's what it looks like. Oh, yeah. It's going to be exciting. No, I'm just, I mean, it's actually, it's been a while too since I've decided that I was going to actually follow one of the programs where this is like

Starting point is 00:22:56 perfect timing for kind of where I'm at in my training diets, so like that. It's like, oh, this is a great place. Speaking of which, I know we can't really talk, give too much detail, but how was your guys as experienced in Mexico? Now, we did some, we'll be able to talk about this later, but we did some treatments and stuff out there

Starting point is 00:23:14 that we'll talk about later, but how was your experience so far, any? Oh, it was so far, so good. Yeah, everything's going well. I mean, I particularly enjoyed the place we stayed and, you know, a little bit of a nice little getaway for a bit on top of it all. I'm doing my best to hold back my excitement. You know that I'm probably the most skeptical. I'm like, I'm the most visible. Yeah, and I know we could talk

Starting point is 00:23:41 specifically about what you want out of it. Yeah, so what sold us ongoing down there, I mean, all of us, uh, I actually started with me, right? So it was my conversation, uh, with Dr. Khan and telling, and telling, uh, to, to stressing to him about everything that I've done to try and put my psoriasis in remission and nothing has worked as far in, in putting it into remission. We've done thing. I've done a lot of things like the red light therapy and vitamin D

Starting point is 00:24:08 and there's a lot of stuff that I've done. They all do something. Oh yeah, they all help it, right? They've all, Caldera helps it from the getting dry and itchy. Like, so I've used a lot of the products and the things that we've worked with and they've all had positive things towards it, but nothing has put it into remission.

Starting point is 00:24:22 It's still been something that I've just accepted for 20 years in my life now that, oh, I might just have this right. And of course, I have a dress diet, right? Because that's the, it's an autoimmune. So let me see what foods I get. I have a done the food sensitivity test with cabral. I eliminated some of the things that were on there for 60 days.

Starting point is 00:24:39 Thought that really didn't do much. Yes, it helped, like, helped again with it, like with it, but it didn't put it in remission, where when I talk to him, he's like, oh, we can put this in remission. You do this, this, this, and this, which we'll talk about later. We can't get into details yet, but he's like, he was confident. He was so confident that I remember, like, Katrina was like, are you excited? I'm like, no. And she's like, how could you not be excited? I'm like, because I don't, I don't want to get so sold on that. We're going to be able to put this thing in a remission because. And then give me this appointment.

Starting point is 00:25:05 Yeah, and then maybe disappoint it. And like, you know, I get a little bit of results from it. And I'm like, oh, cool, well, that's great, but it's not remission, it's a different, that's different, right? Where he looked at me again after I told him, like, you know, I'm just hoping that this makes it a little bit better and so about that.

Starting point is 00:25:20 And he's like, no, we're gonna solve it. And I'm like, who says that? Yeah, I was like, don't get excited like that, don't get caught. No, no, no. He's like, oh yeah, he's like, no, we're gonna solve it. And I'm like, who says that? Yeah, I was like, don't get excited like that. I thought you were talking about it. He's like, oh yeah, he's like, it's not a matter if it's a matter, you know, depending on how bad it is, you might need a couple of treatments. He goes, but, oh yeah, we'll get to the bottom of this.

Starting point is 00:25:36 That's crazy. We will solve it. If that happens. Yeah, so I was a double edged sword for, because like I said, we can't get into too much detail, but if it works God you guys can be amazing. It doesn't work. Yeah

Starting point is 00:25:48 What I what I will share is It's I'm I'm getting excited and I'm trying and I'm having to hold it back and the reason why I'm is because even in the in the 48 hour period that it's been I'm already seeing positive signs in the right direction things from Not it's not itching at all. I see it already starting to dissipate. Like, so there's a lot of really positive things that are happening right now that I'd like just, I'm trying to reserve like the excitement around like,

Starting point is 00:26:14 okay, let's see what, you know, I talked to me in a few weeks and see what we're at. And I know he did say, it should take about eight to 10 days for it to fully circulate and be able to see, like really see and feel the benefits So we're not even there yet. We're not even at the eight to 10 day mark where we're supposed to really Feel and see the benefits soon will be able to talk and everybody's like what you guys do? What the hell happened? We'll talk about it. We'll get to it right now. It's a big secret

Starting point is 00:26:39 So but I tell you what I the place we stayed was first time I never stayed there before that was a treat and a Hortus I had such a you know, it's so cool to uh, I I don't know I don't know about you guys, but like when I experience like over the top really good customer service stuff It always makes me curious to like the operation like who's running this mind behind it. Yeah, I just I Disney land is like this, you know, as much as we all shit on Disney, right? But the actual parks are like this.

Starting point is 00:27:09 You get that experience, right? They built a culture around serving people. Yeah. I feel like the Ritz has done that with the hotel. Like I think that, What was that stat you said about the Ritz? It was crazy. That each person,

Starting point is 00:27:20 So they have it, so they have a rule. Like there's this, there's this, It's really, it's a for real. Yeah, it's called the $2,000 rule. And so the idea behind the $2,000 rule, this is a rule that they've embodied for, I think, a very long time with the Ritz. And the idea is that no employee has to get approval

Starting point is 00:27:39 to spend $2,000 in order to solve a customer problem. Imagine empowering every employee like that. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I just think that's so cool that, you know, that's how much emphasis they put on taking care of the customer. Let me go to the rhythm, we're like, I lost $1500.

Starting point is 00:27:58 Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you can fix that for me. Yeah, so I mean, this inspired me to buy the book. I just started reading the book. And so I'm sure I'll get into more, I'll have more stuff to share about exactly how that works. And like what, you know, if there's any sort of rules, the way I understood it from what I've read so far is just like, if there's an issue or a problem

Starting point is 00:28:17 that is under that dollar amount, that say a customer has, that they'll just, they have the ability to spend that money to solve that problem. So I think that's, they'll just, they have the ability to spend that money to solve that problem. So I think that's, like for example, I can imagine that you have, there's been a time where a TV's broken or down and you call the front desk, what the hell, my TV's down. Like, it's not like they have to go, oh, hold on, it's Friday night. We don't meet with our manager until Monday.

Starting point is 00:28:42 Let me see what happens. I think you could probably go run down and buy a TV, have it replaced that day up on your wall, you know, right, and pay us, I want to do it because you could get that done under $2,000. And not need approval for it, not get a slap on the wrist because. Some of these brands just have such a long pedigree

Starting point is 00:28:57 and heretic, like just history and culture. Never tell you guys when I tried to get Haggol at Tiffany. Never tell you guys about this. You tried to Haggol it. I swear to God I did. That's funny. Because I was a young, stupid kid. And I burst myself in there. Everybody in Tiffany's bowl.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Cause you know, you're like a closer to salesman. Oh bro. Yeah. I was like, no, this is, this is, this is, yeah, and that's what you're gonna do. Hey, it's worse than that. It's worse than that. It's worse than that.

Starting point is 00:29:20 You're gonna give me that. It's worse bro. I was a kid, okay. So please forgive me, but I literally, you know, looked at the, you know, the product, I looked at, I said, okay, I'll take this one. And, you know, it's got the price on it, right? And I said, but I want to pay that.

Starting point is 00:29:33 This is my words, bro. I'm so embarrassed. I said, but I'll pay this out the door. Yeah. And the guy looked at me like, what? Out the door. What do you mean out the door? You know, like, that's the final price.

Starting point is 00:29:42 I could take the tax part. You guys take care of that. I'll pay that out the door. And it, like that's the final price. I can take the tax part. You guys take care of that. I'll pay that out the door and it goes, and there's like people around me, like shopping for like $80,000 watches. Yeah, yeah. So I know they're all looking, I'm like, that's just kid, right?

Starting point is 00:29:53 It looks at me, goes, I'm sorry, sir, we don't, we don't do that, do that here. I said, well, I mean, I mean, like I said, I'll buy it. If you give to the, you know, give to me for this, for you know, out the door and it goes,

Starting point is 00:30:03 I'm really, it's really nice to me. It's like, I really apologize, but we don't even run sales. He's like, that's just how we operate. Okay, I said, then I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to go somewhere else. And I walked out very slowly, because I was waiting for him to be like, okay sir, come back.

Starting point is 00:30:17 He didn't say shit, man, I walked out. I laughed, I literally sat on a bench for 30 minutes. They don't worry, he didn't call me. Hey, listen, no, I sat for 30 minutes. You know what, I knew for 30 minutes. You will. Cause I knew I had to go back in. I'm like, oh, fuck, I gotta go back inside. And I did, I went back inside.

Starting point is 00:30:30 You know, it's out the door, bro. I said that in the Tiffany's. I mean, since you brought this up, and I've been thinking about it since I've been reading the book, so that just kind of speculating, right, on what the future holds for brands and stuff like that. And historically, obviously brands like that have survived and done really well.

Starting point is 00:30:47 I think they're going to thrive in the direction we're going to, which is ironic because we have talked before about we're moving into this future of anything and everything you want will be free and that you're going to be able to 3D print stuff. And it's like, OK, well, what about some of these brands that are so expensive, then? Are they going to have to come down in price? And I'm like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:31:06 I think they did such a good job of delivering this personal customer service type of experience. That those are going to be the two ends of the spectrum. You know, either be you spend ridiculous money because you've got it to burn and spend it and you value that type of experience or you'll spend next to nothing because you get it printed or nothing or cheap or share it with somebody else or like you know whatever whatever that maybe. So I think we're just going to see these massive gaps where a lot of the in the middle

Starting point is 00:31:35 stuff is going to die off. You're going to have to either compete with the super inexpensive model or you have to compete with the over the top expensive model. But I think it still survives. I think it survives and thrives in the future. It just, we're gonna, all the stuff in the middle of the world. You know what I'm saying? I have always respected brands that don't do sales the most.

Starting point is 00:31:55 Those are always the ones, and it sucks because I always want, like I said, but then they never have it, and those are always products I got gravitated to, because it's like, you know what you're gonna get? They're not, they're like, our product speaks for itself. And that's really is like a statement to the quality and the value of it for the most parts. So it's like, I think that's always going to stick around because people know it's like, this is, this has always been this way. They've built a track record for that. It's like, you can make up your own shit version of it or you can go like, you can gamble for something else.

Starting point is 00:32:27 I think you guys are watching videos on, there's like clips, there's a lot of clips of people. What are those airline, what's that airline called? People pay like nothing for a ticket. Spirit? Spirit. Have you seen some of the videos? Oh my god. A spirit airline, my friend took a spirit airline.

Starting point is 00:32:42 Oh my god bro. Some of the shit about there. He ended up in like a totally different. Oh my God, bro. Some of the shit. He ended up in like a totally different airport. Like the wrong place. Yeah. They had to just I don't know why it's like the GPS

Starting point is 00:32:52 broke on the ice. Vegas. Like what do you think supposed to be Reno? Like what happened? I saw a video where the skies. This guy's sitting there. This woman is just clipping her toenails.

Starting point is 00:33:03 Oh my god. The air. Right next to him. Oh my god. Oh, the air in the air. Right next to him. Oh my gosh. And the video says like only on Spirit Island. And I guess they just accept it because they pay 20 bucks for their ticket.

Starting point is 00:33:13 So like, well, you know, I'm gonna be on this. Yeah, I do. I think that that's what we're gonna see. That right. You agree, like they're gonna see this kind of like extreme, these two extremes. It's gonna be the super cheap. And people just don't give a fuck.

Starting point is 00:33:23 I want the cheapest thing possible. And we have such a competitive market now. I can get it. Or the people are like, I don't care what the price is. I want that kind of service. And I'm willing to pay way more than what's reasonable. There's some things that I don't care about enough

Starting point is 00:33:37 to care about paying for good service. Can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I know this about myself. But some things I'll pay a lot. I can name it first of all. I should think you like that. You're like that with watches, with shoes, with clothes, with cars, you're that way.

Starting point is 00:33:51 Yeah, I guess you're right. Well, there's a lot of things you don't really care that much. I would have come to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you're right, with service. But one thing that I'll pay a lot for, or the things that I will pay a lot for,

Starting point is 00:34:03 are things that I don't like anyway. So you add bad shit on top of it, like I hate flying anyway. You let him? Cabanas. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't, and where we go. Yeah, I don't like flying

Starting point is 00:34:15 and I don't like when I go to a pool or whatever and I gotta go hunt for a freaking chair and get four chairs together because I got my kids with me or whatever. Like I hate that and I hate. It or whatever. I hate that and I hate. It's convenient. I hate traveling, I hate flying so much because I just don't like being in planning

Starting point is 00:34:30 to like the whole deal. So I'm willing to pay for the extra on the plan because you add the fact that I hate flying, then on top of it, I have to sit on this tiny chair, then on top of it, I have to line up, make sure I fight for the right thing, like they do with Southway or whatever. It's like, that, that from me.

Starting point is 00:34:45 I think it's so funny when people judge other people with like how they spend money. I know. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? It's like who cares? You've probably seen that judgment yourself and you're comfortable with it.

Starting point is 00:34:56 You know what you've got. Yeah, yeah. I mean, to me, so that's the thing I try and check myself with always, because the only thing that I think in people can get caught up in is paying for things for other people, not even themselves, right? Like buying the name brand car, not because they really value or love the car, but more so, so it's a signal to the rest of the world.

Starting point is 00:35:16 That's just a bad relationship with money. Well, yeah. And I've talked about having that. I know I had that. Like I absolutely had that in my 20s, right? So and that's my filter now, right? Like any time I make a purchase having that. I know I had that. Like I absolutely had that in my 20s, right? So, and that's my filter now, right? Like any time I make a purchase myself that, I ask myself that, is this for me,

Starting point is 00:35:31 or do I feel the need to go show it off or show people? And if I don't care about showing it off or showing people, and it's just for me, then it truly is for me. That's a good, that's a very good limousine. And that's how, when I care if nobody knew that I have it. That's right.

Starting point is 00:35:43 And do I feel really good and enjoy it? And it's like, and I know that I had that's right. And do I feel really good and enjoy it? And it's like, and I know that when I don't have this, like, oh, I need to show it, or I need to like tell somebody, it's like, okay, this is for me, right? And so, to me, it's a really easy way to measure that. And then at that case, then who gives a fuck? If it's only for me, and I don't have the need to go to share, then who cares?

Starting point is 00:36:04 It's like, oh, that's a great one, I don't know. So, it's only for me, and I don't have the need to go share, then who cares? That's a great one Adam. Well, it's coming from a person who I think struggled with that. I had an insecurity around money. I had that desire to send that signal that I've made it. And it's like, look at me, time of deal. And then there's things that's like,

Starting point is 00:36:17 no, this is for me. Like, I don't speak enough things like that. You know, I'm glad we recorded the, I wish we could show the clip because remember when I first brought up the cyber truck. Listen now. How much shit you guys talking about? It doesn't, you guys talk about.

Starting point is 00:36:32 I want you to know as cool as I think. It's about the design. The ad it, yeah, it doesn't fit in. I stuck it. I stayed by that. You couldn't give a tank. It's crushing. If you gave it to me, I'd give it to a family member.

Starting point is 00:36:43 No, you wouldn't. That's how much I feel about it. If you gave me a cyber truck. If someone gave you a cyber truck, I would definitely give it to if you gave it to me. I give it to a family member. That's how you would yes I would that's how much I feel about it if you gave me a Cybertia you a Cybertia will give it to my mom or somebody who needs that bro. Yeah, I Utility I already got a cool truck. Yeah, our bullet and I already got some hell of fast So I got like I the things that you think are cool about it. I have really my opinion a better version Yeah, I've got a better formal drive vehicle. I got a better speed vehicle all day So the things that you find cool about it. I got a better speed vehicle all day. So the things that you find cool about it, I don't need.

Starting point is 00:37:06 And so if someone gave that travel vehicle a proof car, I don't have a proof car. No. And maybe I would consider, you have a car just for that reason. That looks like it's a 1990 video game. All right then. No, I love it dude.

Starting point is 00:37:20 I'm not a car person, you guys know this, but I'm little by little falling in love with that, which is it looks so different and weird. Have you seen one in person yet? No. Yeah, so let's, you know what I've heard about it in person when I, this is the room right here, about it here.

Starting point is 00:37:32 No, I hear it looks like a fucking smudge refrigerator all the time. Oh, because of the stainless steel. Yeah, so it looks like a matte black. Yeah, I saw. I'm curious to see that. I'm gonna do a matte black. Yeah, I'm curious of like the parking those things,

Starting point is 00:37:44 like it seems like they're wide. Does it have like a crazy turning radius on it? It's a big, great, it's the only part. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that. I'm curious to see that.

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Starting point is 00:38:07 Like it was a little bit bigger. Oh, is it? Yeah. It's pretty big. I just watched a video, so we saw the famous one, right? It raised the 911 turbo while pulling a 911 turbo, and it beat it. Such a great ad.

Starting point is 00:38:18 I just saw it race Lamborghini Uris, which is a 650 or something horsepower. Yeah, it has the Audi. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, whatever. Your car will smoke that by way. Yeah, just so. Listen, it fucking, the cyber truck smoked it, like it was it, like in, like bad.

Starting point is 00:38:34 It wasn't like it beat it. It was the kind of like where you smoke it so much that the guy driving the other car is in a drag race. Yeah. Tosted it. How does it do on corners and everything? I don't know. The question I got to show you is, I'll never show up past a quarter mile because give it on corners and everything? I don't know. I don't know.

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Starting point is 00:39:01 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don nice throw. I don't care. I think it still looks like a Dorito truck to me. Oh, what? It's just like bunch of Doritos like glued together. You could build it with a Dorito truck. Yeah, that's a good one.

Starting point is 00:39:11 I will seriously make like a little chip dip with one of those things and just put a bunch of... I can't wait guys for seed. Do you think it's gonna be? Because obviously there's a little hype around it, right? But do you think it's gonna have staying power? It's gonna be like a crush. It's gonna crush. Yeah, I don't crush it. It'll do, it'll do. I'll just say there's a bunch of people it, right? But do you think it's gonna have staying power? It's gonna be like a crush It's gonna crush. Yeah, it'll crush it'll do it'll do it. I said there's a bunch of people that aren't these cars has been

Starting point is 00:39:29 You know won't buy it not car enthusiasts Real car people wait hold on stop real people that have appreciation now for the artistry of a car It's real. Yeah, there's all the people that would like that are people that don't care just like you You are a perfect example of their buyer. There's a lot of you out there. What? Yes? There's a lot of people that would like that are people that don't care. Just like you. You're a perfect example of their buyer. There's a lot of you out there. What? Yes, there's a lot of people that are... Where would you ever get a four wheel drive pickup truck? That's nice.

Starting point is 00:39:52 Listen, pause, let's rewind for a second. It's all calm down. Hold on a second. You already admitted you're not a car person. No, no, stop, stop it here. Did you not? First off, first off, it's going to be, it's highly likely that over the next 20 years,

Starting point is 00:40:06 you're not going to be able to get a car that operates on gas. True or not? Well, you'll be at the aftermarket, you mean? Yeah, it's actually going to be a car. Can't be in the joint room. No, that's not what I'm saying. What are we talking about? Everybody calm down. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room.

Starting point is 00:40:19 You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able to be in the joint room. You're not going to be able like oh but I go right with the crowd. No shit. No, I'm trying to use the name. When the eight you fuckers. When the zombie apocalypse happens. Hey you guys are gonna jump in my

Starting point is 00:40:32 cyber truck to be safe. No listen this is what I'm trying to say. I know you're a fucking idiot. What I'm trying to say is when you say real car enthusiasts whatever, people are always gonna love old cars. There's always gonna be that nostalgia. I totally get that. But it's a car. It is a car and that is gonna be love old cars. There's always gonna be that nostalgia. I totally get that.

Starting point is 00:40:45 But it's a car. It is a car and that is gonna be the real cars. The futures are all, they're all gonna be electric. And trust me, I love the sound of an engine. That's the one drawback. I don't know how I'm gonna feel about driving a car that makes no sound. Like you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:41:01 I wanna hear the red. There's a visceral, you know. About half of the awesomeness of these cars that we would compare like the old clout is the sound. It's not my 68 Camaro would not beat some of these mini vans today. You know what I'm saying? With the badass horse power it's gotten, but it's the sound of the thing.

Starting point is 00:41:19 It's all how it makes you feel. Yeah, how it feels driving it. Like you think people who rode horses were saying this the car owners? Yeah, I mean, like what kind of noise is your car? Like it's the horse, how it feels driving it. Like, you think people who rode horses were saying this the car owners? You know what I mean? Like, what kind of noises are you talking about? Like, it's a horse. I don't hear it.

Starting point is 00:41:29 Doesn't sound like a horse. You know what I mean? Do you think that they had the same conversations? Yeah, I think that they jumped from a horse to a car is radically different than the, that's like, we'd be comparing if all of a sudden we went from cars to like, space-y. Shifters.

Starting point is 00:41:43 Yeah, to fly. It's like a whole nother class. Do you know what sold me by the way? Can I tell you this is how big of a nerd I am. So this whole time I'm kind of like, oh, this looks kind of cool. By the way, I don't know if I'm getting one. So everybody thinks I'm, I'm just saying I like it.

Starting point is 00:41:55 They have this like, get stiffer. How much does it cost by the way, sorry. I think you get the best, the top top ones like a hundred grams. So I like that. The cyber beef thing. They're called.

Starting point is 00:42:04 They're 60,000, 80,000 and a hundred grams. The one he's talking about is a hundred grams. Yeah, the cyber beef. Yeah, because the little baby one isn't gonna be smoking no nine, eleven. No, if I get a car, if I get that, then I'm gonna, I want a dust, Justin and Adam all day long.

Starting point is 00:42:19 That has to be the fast one. For a quarter miles. Yeah, four miles at a time. Then he's gonna charge you through. I've got for a full drive though, for 10 miles. Just for a quarter mile at a time. For a full drive full drive though, for 10 miles, just for a quarter mile. For a full drive. You five years for just for a quarter mile.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Who will be okay? For a whole day. We'll just have a five, he's fucked. Get us on high five, and you'll be up there for about 30 seconds. And we bump into each other, see who's calling us, fuck up. We'll see what happens.

Starting point is 00:42:40 We instantly, we instantly, we had some Arizona for a gymnastic event, and they drove their Tesla, and they literally had to charge it like six times on the way to get there. And it took them hours to charge. Yeah, I'm not trying to drive far. I was like, that's a pain in the ass. No, we talked about that.

Starting point is 00:42:56 Yeah, no, no, no. Nobody has to say is what sold me hard, this is such a nerdy thing, but there's this like camper attachment. Have you seen this? Were you attached to the back and it turns into like a little like you could go camping and shit Yeah, I mean, he thinks it's a cool thing. I'm not knocking you He definitely has like cool ideas. He's always trying to like you better get one with all this fucking hype

Starting point is 00:43:17 Don't talk about it. I mean you've been selling this thing forever either one. We would have been some affiliate kickback right now Or you better own one bring Bring me along to talk. I'm gonna talk about all this and then you don't get all we know. You know how you know we don't have an affiliate thing? Because you just said real car owners wouldn't want it. If there was an affiliate deal, you know you're asking me. Whatever, you don't really, I still keep it real. I'll be like, wow, you know, it's cool.

Starting point is 00:43:38 It's cool, but it's just pretty shitty. I would want it. We still sell it. Broke it. You can't make you bullshit. It's 100%. Hey, speaking of sponsors, I gotta tell you something. I ran into a fan the other day.

Starting point is 00:43:51 This is rare now, not the running into a fan part, but just right here. Usually if I run into a listener, they'll say, oh, you know, I love the show, I'm gonna get like this positive feedback. It's really nice to hear. But this is what this person said to me. They stopped me and they said, oh, Sal, love the podcast. Listen, eight sleep is the best product I've ever used in my entire. I'm so glad you guys talked and all he did, we'll want to talk about the sponsor. You didn't talk about the podcast or anything. He said, I said, how long have you been listening?

Starting point is 00:44:18 He said, it's like six months. So he's a new listener. He goes, but I heard you guys talk about eight sleep. I got bad sleep. This and that. I bought it and he goes total and complete game changer. He goes after a friend, what he said, I think it was said like a couple weeks, it learned his body. Yeah, learned his body and he goes, it's the weirdest thing I've ever touched again. Bro, he's like, I, he goes, I've been dealing with this for over 10 years. He would not shut up a body sleep. Well, what a great commercial to have, while also having this talk about brands

Starting point is 00:44:47 that are like luxury, that's an example of that. They, when I give, when people ask me, because they, we used to talk all about chili and uler and stuff, they were products and stuff like that. I said, listen, I got nothing bad to say about them, but it's literally to me, it's like comparing a Lexus to like a Bentley or Rolls Royce. They are literally the Bentley or Rolls Royce of all,

Starting point is 00:45:06 there's a ton of those products on the market and so far the ones that I've experienced are pretty good. Like there's nothing bad to say about them, but the quality and what that eight sleep does is insane compared to the rest of them. And so yeah, it is a little bit more expensive than to literally was raving about it. Like raving, he's like, you gotta tell more people.

Starting point is 00:45:25 I'm like, where were you? I haven't had to do it. By the way, since we've started with them, which I don't know how long ago this has been, I haven't had to refill it up with water, which blows my mind, cause I had to do that all the time with my ruler. Once I got it set on my temps,

Starting point is 00:45:38 I've never adjusted or touched it. It adjusted itself. Ever. Watches all your parameters. Yes. And it literally figures out, this is the crazy part. It figures out how to make you sleep better. You don't have to figure it out.

Starting point is 00:45:51 It's like you have to full round with it to figure out what works best. It learns because it monitors your sleep, it then tweaks itself and changes. And then here's what the crazy part. If your body changes, uh, because he was telling me about his wife and he goes, my wife loves it too. This and that. And so then we're talking and saying nothing else. And I left and I was thinking about this.

Starting point is 00:46:12 I said, you know, men don't necessarily go through this, but women do women. If you're listening, you know what I'm talking about, there's going to be times of the month during your during your cycle when you feel hot. There's times when you feel cold, there's times when sleep is, you're really tired and groggy, there's times when you have to seem to have more energy, and this is because of the hormone cycle, the eight sleep will pick up on your body's rhythms and will adjust itself so that

Starting point is 00:46:38 it's always gonna be perfect, essentially. It brings you back to homeostasis. How wild is that? I mean, they've really done it. It's such a dope product too that I don't even think about it anymore like one It's said it let it go like it haven't had to refill the water how long's that been it's been so long Yeah, and it's only one right so and Dead silent so the other one what you didn't bother me because that white noise gets white noise

Starting point is 00:47:02 And I like white noise anyways. I love an elevator I love it. I love it. I can say white noise. It's so funny. White noise. Man, man. Yeah. Yeah. But this is smaller. Even the beaver. Yeah. Smaller, less, no noise practically. And more horsepower as far as how fast it cools. It's like all the above. It's awesome. Yeah. Oh, so we were talking about earlier the cyber truck, Tesla, Elon Musk, whatever. Did you see who he just, so, okay, Elon has to have, I don't know the man, okay? So I've got messages from people,

Starting point is 00:47:38 stop dig writing, whatever, listen. I don't know the man. I don't know if he's a good dad, I don't know if he's a good human. He's a good dad. I just don't know, okay, but all I know is the stuff that he does. I just love his truck. No, this guy gets on. I also like this truck. This guy has a ton of advertisers pull because of some

Starting point is 00:47:56 literal political BS. Yeah. And we know this by the way, because Instagram and Facebook just got, they're getting sued for allowing inappropriate material to get advertised and push towards children, but they of course pull from X and they're still on Instagram and Facebook or whatever. They pull from X, he gets on that interview and says, go fuck yourself twice, really clearly. So he's got massive co-honies, massive co-honies, but then he does this.

Starting point is 00:48:23 He puts a pole out. Should we let Alex Jones back on X? And the fan said yes, and guess who's back on? Alex Jones. Alex Jones. Reemerged. Do you guys know the co- like bro, like. I love it.

Starting point is 00:48:39 He's, he's kryptonite. Alex Jones is kryptonite. He's the first person. The whole world. He can't move up everything. He can't move up everything. Not to him out too. He's the first person. The whole world. We can't not come out to Yes, and he put him back on Green Kahoot on

Starting point is 00:48:49 Xd what the pull how was it was a number? Oh, it was like 80% yes. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, like a majority of people said put him back Now this was after the Tucker Carlson interview. Yes, before okay right around that right around that same time So which by the way, did you guys listen to that? Yeah So I know a bit but I don't know of it, but most of all it shows. Do you know how accurately he predicted September 11th? This is the hot sink part, yeah. This is the one where I'm like, what? Do you know, okay?

Starting point is 00:49:14 Oh, I don't. Okay. He literally said, there's gonna be another plan, there's gonna be a terrorist attack plan, probably attacking the World Trade Center, flying planes in there. And they're gonna blame it on Al-Sama Badmadan, and they're trying to make his voice.

Starting point is 00:49:28 And they're gonna use this to go to the CIA in the middle east, and that's what he said. And there's like years before. Documentation or video of him. No, they played the video of himself. You're seeing that way before. Way before. And then, and then,

Starting point is 00:49:43 Do you see that before, Doug? Yeah, I saw that. I I think was actually July of 2001 yes when that he said that so that was like two or three months before it actually happened now Tucker Carlson says he's like you know if I was the CIA or whatever he goes I would be investigating you right away because I'm like how the hell could you have known that unless yeah well no Alex Jones says he goes I'm just reading with the reports that they put out They've already tried to attack the World Trade Center They're already hyping up how they we need to go to war in the Middle East already hyping up about

Starting point is 00:50:11 How many people know about these reports? That's true. You know what I mean in terms of the Pentagon and a lot of these like FBI reports like They put them out for public To to go through read it and he's like I feel like he's like the only one that actually reads them. Like they say, like he's saying that by 2030, you're trying to ban beef. World wife. You're trying to ban me. And you can, I mean, it makes sense if you actually see the propaganda that's going on around, you know, right? Yeah. And I mean, he's definitely an alarmist. It's hard to watch a lot of it with that. Yeah. Okay, okay, I don't want to take all this in. You know, kind of the thing. Yeah. We talked about interdimensional.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Yeah. Yeah. What the heck? Well, okay. So what was the guy's name? I just listened to that was on Joe Rogan, but he was another like high up guy in the Air Force that actually, actually, you know his name, right?

Starting point is 00:51:02 Andrew. Grush. Grush. David Grush, but he actually has been investigating a lot of the UFO information and stuff that they've done past with like A-tep and all that. Just not gonna go into the whole thing, you gotta go listen to it, but like there was one,

Starting point is 00:51:22 I didn't have no idea that they had actually like recovered, allegedly recovered some craft in Italy, right before World War II. And so yeah, I guess the Pope, and what he said back in the day like the Vatican. The Vatican and then also like, you told me this, yes. Yeah, I was telling you this this morning

Starting point is 00:51:43 in the Mafia had a lot of the information so they gathered a lot of intel and then they would actually supply that over to the US. This is all before CIA and all that was formed. So there, anyways, there's lots of interesting stuff and again, it's all kind of coming out now. Why, you know, like there's a lot of projecting like all of you with those stuff. Doesn't it kind of feel like they're getting us ready for some big? Well, I told you, many of you guys first started getting

Starting point is 00:52:10 all excited, bring up. I'm more curious about what they're not telling us. Like, I feel like this is all a distraction for something else that they don't want you to be paying attention. Well, you know what sucks is how anti-climatic it is, you know? I know. It's like, we've been wanting, like, imagine like 10 years ago, I was like,

Starting point is 00:52:27 big foot, you know, I got it. It'd be so awesome, and now it's just like, there are, oh yeah, like, like, UFOs are real, like, there are, you know, extraterrestrials and button like, no. Yeah. You can say no forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:41 I don't believe you anymore. I don't believe you. You know, crazy, like, corruption, conspiracy, whatever you want to call this conversation right now. Um, did you guys watch the story, the full story, because I didn't know the full story of GameStop. Have you guys watched that? Yeah. You have to go. You all have to watch that. So we can discuss it because I find it. And I know the story that I'm familiar with is you had a bunch of people on Reddit organized to drive the price of the stock up and use their collective efforts to basically hurt

Starting point is 00:53:09 all the hedge fund people who were shorting the stock. Yeah, you knew that. That's what I know. Yeah, but there's more obviously. Yeah, do you know how it all came to an end and everything too? No. Oh, that's why you guys gotta watch it. Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:22 Because it's some crazy corruption with Robin Hood and the government and they're like allowing that to what happened, basically to save the banks. Right. So how they intervened and regulated, yeah. It's so that's the part that's really just really fucked up and twisted about how it all went down. Super, super interesting though.

Starting point is 00:53:41 Cause I knew kind of to a level that you did, like that's as much as I like. And I didn't even know. Well, of course, you're messing with, you got a bunch of people who really caused big players, billionaires to lose a lot of money. And that's, you're playing with fire. Yeah, but you're also, you're also messing with like eight million people that decided to do that. This wasn't like a handful of people that were making a run on it. Like it took eight million people to move the needle. You'd collectively do this. And they've messed with all of them. Yeah. Oh my

Starting point is 00:54:10 God. Yeah. So you have to watch the documentary on it and how it all are easy. And I guess I just wasn't really paying attention that closely to it. The irony of this actually is that I had a nephew who like middle of all of it going on was like he's starting to save a little bit of money and he's always he's always reaching out to me and like, Hey, what do you think I should do with this? Or should I save this? Should I invest this? I'm thinking about this stock and he was like, I think I should buy a game stock. I think I buy a game stock and I'm like, no, I'll stay away from all the hype on that right now. I was like, I would like, you could easily lose your money. And so I really pushed him not to, which I think

Starting point is 00:54:42 was still the right decision based off of however, it's not eventually happened, although there were some people that could have made a ton of money off of that. But I was sold at the right time. Yeah, but I didn't realize why they all didn't, and now I get it because I watched the whole story. Like that, the reason why it worked was because literally like eight million people banded together and held. That's the only reason why I want everybody's calls came and went, just get them to lose money. That's kind of a cool story. It's a very cool, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:10 It's actually, and so that's why you guys will enjoy it because, and this was all started by one dude, one dude on YouTube, and he was making videos from the very beginning, and he rallied all these people. And it was kind of like the us versus them. And he wrote like, log off, he was was kind of like the us versus them. And he wrote like log off like he was a big like the way think about that one one nerdy cat guy rallied 8 million people to go after the fucking banks and he got them to to get what's up with him. Did you go to jail? No, but he had he had a big congressional hearing and they and they talked like

Starting point is 00:55:39 yeah, he ended up being a look. Everything he did was legal. So he was okay. Yeah. Although they tried to again, can he countersue? Is he going through that process? That's a little okay. Everything he did was legal. So he was okay. Yeah. Although they tried to again, can he counter Sue? Is he going through that process? That's a good question. I have. I don't know the guys. He kid. He's younger than us. Like 30s. Yeah, I think he's. You imagine doing some shit like that and like you got to come before Congress. Oh my God, dude. The swan. Exactly. He would just.

Starting point is 00:56:01 The exactly. What? Remember that video of a that's why I don't feel bad for what's his name Zuckerberg when he was when he was in front of Congress he's trying to dream everybody made fun of him you know I'm like bro he's a kid yeah he's talking to Congress dude like who wouldn't yeah any of the mind he's not a normal kid either he's a nerdy quiet introverted kid you know saying like throw him on that stage like you know he's like I'm you'd be better now would have done it

Starting point is 00:56:25 for the Congress. Yeah. That would have maybe noticed. Are you, oh, there's the kid right there's a guy right there. Oh, a couple of things on him. So he's 37 and the peak he made over $48 million on it. Wow. Now the peak he was worth 40 million, but he never sold.

Starting point is 00:56:39 He never was. And he basically extracted himself from all the internet and isn't. I don't know if he, from what I could read, he's not to be found or people. So yeah, so what happened? He got to be very, very lucky. So after all this got settled, and he did nothing that happened, he completely disappeared from social media.

Starting point is 00:56:54 Like just removed himself from being on it all the time. But the story is great. I mean, it's such an incredible story on how it all started and then what happened and then the shadiness of Robin Hood and like the billionaires that got involved in it, like it was super corrupt. At that level, man, it's crazy. I was gonna ask you Adam,

Starting point is 00:57:14 you've been talking to Drew Canoli a little bit like me. He's the founder of Organifi for people who don't know. Great guy, great guy, we love him. What's he saying about, I predicted that their shilijit gubbingies were just gonna crush. Just exploding. Is that what he said? It's exploding.

Starting point is 00:57:32 In fact, I, you know, I'll ask you. I knew it because once they came out with it, I said, oh my God, this was all fair. I said, they taste good and it's shilijit. It's got tons of studies behind it. Yeah. And it's gonna blow up. First of all, shilijogy, you're gonna start seeing

Starting point is 00:57:46 everywhere. I remember wellness people talking about that, like years and years. I have already seen another competitor already jump on the bandwagon already. So like they led the way I feel like of getting it popular. And now you'll see it. It's one of the most studied,

Starting point is 00:57:58 it's like, Ashtray God's got so many studies behind it backing it. That's so interesting that you compare it to something like Ashtray Godna, which is so popular. Yeah. That it hasn't, it didn't get that interesting that you compare it to something like Oshwagandha, which is so popular. Yeah. That it hasn't, it didn't get that popular. People just start to wear.

Starting point is 00:58:09 And nobody, it's marketing, right? You got to market it. And then when people look at the data, and then you don't have enough people talking about it, and you just need one leader, right? One leader to come out. So he says it's crushing. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:20 They're just blowing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. It's doing really, really well. It's one of my favorite policies. I can't remember the last time we went through two bags of something. They don't last in here. Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, it's doing really, really well. It's one of my favorite problems. I've never seen, I've never, I can't remember the last time we went through two bags of something. They don't last in here.

Starting point is 00:58:28 Yeah, yeah, they go. Well, we all, you don't know my name. Everybody in the universe, everybody's in the universe. I mean, I, I have a lot of mine. So I'm like, it's such a 12 year old, right? So I still take a lot of gummy stuff. Like, you know, like I have my, I have some vitamin C gummies.

Starting point is 00:58:38 I have some like my, yeah, oxen's the gummies. I have a bunch of, when you get sick, do they give you the, do they give you the antibiotics in the pink bottle? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I feel like it's too good to be true get sick, do they give you the antibiotics in the pink bottle? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, so that's how you feel like it's too good to be true. Like, how could this gummy be giving me the same as this pill, because the pill's awful

Starting point is 00:58:51 that I gotta take versus the gummy and stuff. So, but I actually think that's like a clever way to do stuff. I saw that I know we can't talk about it yet. It's not, it's the product's not done, but I know you're working with Ned, and they're looking at doing like a gummy type of product. Yeah. People like, dude. I do. I mean, you're more likely to get into it. To finish it. Speaking of gummies, when we were at the airport in Mexico on the way back,

Starting point is 00:59:15 this is just something I do. It's not healthy, whatever, blah, blah, blah. I just, for whatever reason, when I'm in the airport and I'm coming home, I buy gummy candy. Okay. That's what I do. Okay. So if you ever see me in the airport, oh'm coming home, I buy gummy candy. Okay, that's what I do. Okay. So if you ever see me in the airport, oh look at Sal. I'm not judging you, bro. Why are you eating gummy bears? I just like gummy candies and it's just bad for my gut, not good for me, whatever, but I do it anyway.

Starting point is 00:59:33 I could not find in the airport in Mexico. I could not find gummy bears, gummy worm, nothing. Couldn't find any, but you know what they had? The weirdest gummy candy ever in my life. They were gummy like burgers so they I sport as done I let Doug try one it looks like the listen it has a bun it has a green gummy thing apparently the lettuce it's got a red gummy thing which is apparently the tomato a brown gummy thing which is pretty and then a bun. And they all came individually wrapped in a bag.

Starting point is 01:00:05 And because I had lack of gummy options, I bought them. And I felt like I was a child. Like somebody recognized me. So weird. So weird. But they were gummy candy so weird. I know. I know.

Starting point is 01:00:18 You know what I've noticed with all the traveling we've been doing lately is there is a massive opportunity to make energy drinks and get them into some other places. Things the world. Like, I guess. Can we just call rockstar or somebody else? I guess just because we've been conditioned for the bear. I think guys do realize that America's productivity

Starting point is 01:00:37 is connected directly to our energy. This is why we're crushing. We have the energy drinks out of this. I know, like, okay, sure. I know you're right. You go with it. You get regular amounts. I could walk out out of our doors.

Starting point is 01:00:49 Red Bulls made it a lot of drinks. And within a two mile radius have access to 30 different energy drinks. This is easy. Easily, right? Within a two mile radius. And multiple locations, by the way. And you can get high doses of caffeine. Yeah, okay. When we were in London, when we were in Mexico, I don't remember if I was in the radius and multiple locations, by the way, and you can get high doses of caffeine. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:05 Okay. When we, when we were in London, when we were in Mexico, I don't remember if that happened in Florida, too or not, but there is literally, no, I'm not saying out of the country, I'm saying anywhere, anywhere outside of California. Uh-oh. Yeah, yeah. The Bay Area is what I'm saying. Everywhere we've traveled lately, there is only monster and red bull.

Starting point is 01:01:26 There are only two options everywhere else you go. So weird. Did anyone ever look up to see if there's any sort of regulations that are restrictions that they put on you? Like why would it be so difficult and why is it so competitive here, but not anywhere else? Probably because the markets exploding, that kind of markets exploding just takes longer.

Starting point is 01:01:46 Another another place is because the market started here. That energy drink kind of thing, you know, that I think you know what you know what the other one the the third one that I said that we did see that I actually didn't even give them credit is prime. So how smart do they look right now? Like being like partnering with a London based kid? Yeah, they're more international than yes. Those are the brand. Interesting. So I mean, they're going to gobble up.

Starting point is 01:02:11 So you know, let me make it. So since you won't let me start a supplement company, can I make an energy drink or something at them? I would be open to that. What? Yeah. Only because I think I would consume enough ourselves to carry the products. To cover the.

Starting point is 01:02:23 Cover the margins. Yeah. Hey, we're not losing. We're getting into water. Let me ask you guys a question. If you let me do it with energy drink, what are my parameters? Can I make it dangerous or have to keep it safe? I mean, you want to get them out of the caffeine. That's for sure.

Starting point is 01:02:37 Yeah, but can I have fun with it and make it like, yeah, this is going to be... Yeah, we want that to last. It tastes good. We don't want to be too slanted. We want to be too slanted. More milligrams caffeine. Those are my only two required. But I get crazy though with it. Do whatever you want that. Really? Yeah, I don't care. Really? Yeah, I'm not really worried about all other stuff. All right. There's other things in my life. I need to fix before my

Starting point is 01:02:53 Okay. All right. We got it. We got the shout out. Didn't you say there was so much? Yeah. Oh, I want it. Okay. So scroll down the next. I remember the name of what it what it was. That's bemoving. That's bemoing. Okay, if you guys remember, this was like at least a couple of years ago, I brought up a kid one time who, you guys remember this? He was a barber and then he'd gone viral. He got millions of people and like what he would do, like grab random people on the street and like give them a haircut.

Starting point is 01:03:21 He'd find someone who would like, you know, you got super famous from that. Oh wow. And obviously he was talented, really good at it. So there's this guy online, he just came in my thread, SB Boeing, he's got like two million or three million followers, and he does the same thing for people's lawns. So he walks down in these kind of ghetto neighborhoods

Starting point is 01:03:39 and random places and looks for people that have just our yard. It's just the most pep-yore thing. Yeah, yard just cannot assume everything. Yes, knocks on the door and offers us services for free. Wow. And then for social media. Yes. So brilliant.

Starting point is 01:03:52 It does a great job, obviously, but like what a smart, smart way to market yourself and he's exploded. Young kid? Young girl, younger than us. Oh, good. Everybody seems to be younger than us. And we talk about it. We talk about it. There's a lot of good. You know, everybody seems to be younger than us. What are we talking about? We're going to be doing it.

Starting point is 01:04:07 There we go. I don't know what it is about when we maybe when you get to our age, like it's hard for me to tell the difference between 25 and 45, you can be anywhere in that range. You don't say that. So when people in their mid 30s say, sir to me now, I'm like, God. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:05:04 How can we help you? It's happening, Mike. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for helping me out here. And taking time to answer my question, I appreciate you all and all the expertise that you're doing the podcast. So thank you.

Starting point is 01:05:16 You got it. What you got for us? For at all. So a little bit of background going to my question. My question overall deals with significant left-right differences in my hamstring. But a little bit of background before I get into that. Back in 2009, I'd suffered a left ACL tear, and when I got surgery, they used a hamstring graft to make the new ACL. So it took me some hamstring tendon, and they made it into

Starting point is 01:05:40 the ACL. And at the time, I was 19, I was a knucklehead and I wasn't quite as ill due with my PT as I should have been, right? So fast forward to today, I have a significant difference in my left right hand strength. I've been strengthening for the better part of five or six years on or off. And on the day-to-day normal day activities, I don't notice the different much. And my bilateral lifts, such as squats and deadlifts, I don't really notice it, but I'm sure it's manifesting in some way. But an isolation work, that's when it really starts to come to head. And my biggest fear is that if I don't resolve this eventually, it's going to lead to some significant left-right difference in compensations, chronic pain, all that.

Starting point is 01:06:29 So I've tried a predominantly a lot of isolation work, concentric, eccentric, high reps, low reps. I guess my question is, is this something that you guys have seen in the past? question is is this something that you guys have seen in the past? Is it for me is it manner of just trusting the process, you know, making sure I'm hitting my protein intake, training hard resting well, and eventually it will recover. It's just going to take a little bit longer, or there are other things that I can be doing to help this process a lot. I'm curious about your expertise. Great question, Mike. So I've actually I've actually got a lot. I'm curious about your expertise. Great question, Mike. So I've actually got a lot of experience with this. I actually trained a vascular surgeon who had this procedure. My

Starting point is 01:07:12 trained in X basketball player, collegiate who had this procedure. So this is where they take either the semitid and osus or the grisillus and essentially use that as an ACL. So this is one of those cases, unlike when we talk to other people with imbalances, okay? Where you actually have a structural difference that you're missing parts between the, between one side to the other, okay? So that means that it'll never be identical.

Starting point is 01:07:42 So that's the bad news. The good news is there's a lot you could do with your training to offset some of that. Like so for myself, to use myself as an example, I have AC joint resection on my left side. My left shoulder will never be as stable as my right shoulder, but I got it like 95% of the way there through exercise, which is not bad at all.

Starting point is 01:08:06 In fact, most people have more of a discrepancy and they don't have that type of, you know, they don't have an ACL resection like I, excuse me, an AC joint resection like I do. So a lot of your training should be unilateral when it comes to hip hinging and when it comes to direct hamstring work, that's it. That's the bottom line.

Starting point is 01:08:25 So when you're going to do a deadlift workout, I would always start with a single leg version of a deadlift. And then you can do your traditional bilateral, but you should do you to lateral work should make up half or a majority of the hamstring work because there's always going to be a difference. There's an actual literal structural difference. And that's how we train.

Starting point is 01:08:49 All the other rules will still apply. Diet still applies, training, recovery, sleep, like all the other rules and stuff that you hear us talk about on the show are going to apply. But you can't expect both of them to be identical because they're just not, structurally, they're just not. Iurally they're just not. I would almost stay unilateral. I mean, unless you have to go bilateral for... The only reason why I would do some bilateral stuff is this.

Starting point is 01:09:16 Well, I mean, you could squat bilateral, but I mean deadlift, like you... Even deadlift, and look, what Adam's saying is not wrong, you could totally do that. The only reason why I still did some bilateral work is because in the real world, you're gonna have to do things bilaterally, and that's still a skill that you don't necessarily,

Starting point is 01:09:33 you still wanna be able to have both sides communicate effectively bilateral, but it wouldn't be the majority of my workouts, is all I'm saying. Does that make sense? Totally, and it's like the unilateral before bilateral is just kind of primed out like get it ready. And then you can utilize that in your bilateral lift. No, no, that's why that's why he's just.

Starting point is 01:09:54 It's not to prime it. It's because your it's literally that should be the foundation of strengthening. The foundation of strengthening should be unilateral. Bilateral is going to be more of a practice type of thing. But the majority of your workouts or half, when you get to hit the general or supplemental at this. That's right. I mean, symmetry is written very well like this. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a great problem. Map symmetry, you basically are running three of the phases, unilateral work, and then the very last phase, you go bilateral and then go, and so I would do exactly that.

Starting point is 01:10:27 I would live most of the time in unilateral, almost always training that way. And then occasionally, run a small phase for three to four weeks where you're going bilateral, so you don't lose that skill, because yes, that applies to real world movements, but there's nothing wrong with, I mean, you can get really strong,

Starting point is 01:10:46 you can really develop the legs by always training. You know what I think? I think people like, yeah, definitely undervalue the fact that you can load substantially. Yes. You know, lateral type work and, you know, and a lot of world renowned world class coaches have taught this in fact, and they don't even do bilateral

Starting point is 01:11:07 squats or bilateral deadlifts. Yeah, you'd be fine. So, you know, it's just a matter of, kind of, gearing your mind into that direction and just trying to see what you can do to just progress in that direction. Mike, do you have a map symmetry? I don't know. I've been kind of just figuring it out on my own and kind of making my own stuff. Oh, yeah, let us send that over to you. Are you a like a, are you an athlete? Do you compete or you just stay fit for yourself? He's got to be any way. You're fine. Yeah. Yeah. I do you was a reason why you chose the graph versus the you know What they typically will do with an ACL

Starting point is 01:11:52 Sorry the belt is Frank I that was just the guidance under my surgeon and you know at the time I was 19 going into college I didn't have me like D1 or professional aspirations by any means So that's just what he recommended. Yeah, yeah. You know, lateral stability is going to be important for you as well. Hip thrust thing is going to be a good exercise for you as well. There's a little bit of a loss in some of the stability

Starting point is 01:12:17 and the agonist stabilizers with this type, like PCL, stuff like that. So I would still do lateral work. Because you know what would be really good for you? Is sled work. I'm wanting to primarily train out of the home. So I've got my squat rack, barbells and stuff. My basement doesn't coil out for a sled, but I mean, I'm sure I can find a football field

Starting point is 01:12:42 somewhere and pull something. Yeah, do once a week or even twice a month, sled work is gonna be really good for you. But yeah, that's pretty much it. You're not gonna get like, you'll still build muscle, you're still gonna look good. No one's gonna notice. You probably won't even notice unless you like,

Starting point is 01:12:54 really push it or do some like, really hard flexion exercise, like a heavy hamstring curl. That's what you probably notice the most. So, you know, this is, I mean, like I said, it's not gonna be identical, no matter what you do, but I think if you do the, you'll lateral stuff primarily,

Starting point is 01:13:08 you'll be better off for sure. Okay, perfect, yeah, great. All right, thanks for calling in. I will send you my symmetry. Oh, amazing, thank you so much. That's huge, thank you so much. You got it, man. All right, easy, Mike.

Starting point is 01:13:25 I think what is the rate? I wonder what the, I forgot what my client told me why they chose to do that over, you know, typically what they'll do with an ACL is like, why that's, I think is it because it's is most like faster recovery for athletes or there's got to be a reason because people still do it. Like they don't, they don't do it anymore. It does provide a lot of stability. It's specifically for the ACL area,

Starting point is 01:13:51 but then what happens is you lose some flexion strength because of the angle that you've changed with those hamstring muscles. I would guess it's because it is most like it. Like if all the muscles, like it would probably looks the most like. What are they, don't these, like, cadaver ACLs?

Starting point is 01:14:06 Yeah, that's like that, like. Yeah, but I don't know, that's, I mean, that's a good question. Are you sure you can do that? Could you tell your ACL, or was it, I was at your lab? I had a partial tear, tear my ACLs. So they left my ACL alone.

Starting point is 01:14:15 It was my MCL that I blew out. So it was MCL and ACL, but the ACL was still in time. Yeah, now I'm all intrigued. I'm gonna look it up and find out. Yeah, yeah. I thought he was like a coach or a trainer based off the question Like I get why I never see anybody say inhibition like really ever do you hear that from somebody who's a normal person ask like that? Our next color Sean from Missouri Sean. What's up, man? How come I help you?

Starting point is 01:14:39 Hey guys, how's it going good? What's happening? Thanks a lot for taking my question Brad and me. I'm one of those guys that's been listening to you guys since 2016. So yeah, I have to say I value quite a bit what you guys do for everybody. So thank you for that. Thank you, ma'am. Um, gee. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll just I'll read right from the email. That's all the same to you guys. Um, 28 on 5 foot 9 about 165 on a good day and have been lifting consistently for half my life. Have a pretty decent grasp on my programming after making a ton of progress. So the recent few years, thanks to you guys.

Starting point is 01:15:15 But one burgeoning issue that has come into focus since I've been growing has been asymmetry in the chest. As a hard gainer, the chest was one of the hardest parts to grow anyway, but now that I'm making progress, I'm noticing that my left, my non-dominant side, is much, much fuller than my right. I've seen the trend for a while and have been trying to focus on form for the most part. And, you know, while strength training, it's been form and then as the, as the size has been put on, I've noticed that it's not really getting much better. So I started to integrate, you know, lateral lifts,

Starting point is 01:15:51 like flies and clients using dumbbells for stuff like that to make sure everything's even. And it hasn't gotten worse, but I don't see it getting any better either. I kind of looked up, plopong for the research. I've read a lot about how the dominant arm may be stronger, which forces the non-dominant chest to help out more, or like the dominant side arm might kind of take a lot more of the work than the chest, which forces the non-dominant

Starting point is 01:16:18 side chest to kind of work more. And that might be why there's a little bit of asymmetry there. I'm not really sure. So I guess my question is, is there truth to that? And if so, is switching to unilateral for all chest exercises the solution, or do I need to find another way to engage my dominant sidepeck? Do you know, there's a more common thing that I've seen in this situation. And that's like your common thing that I've seen in this situation. And that's like your more dominant side. So in your case, your right side, people that they played sports, they have this, they're dominant and they're stronger, but they don't have better technique and form. And when it comes to like bench pressing, okay, it's not just like lifting a weight up off your chest, like you're trying to activate the chest most. And so what ends up happening is the less dominant side,

Starting point is 01:17:05 people are stricter and better on their form, and they don't even think about their dominant side because the weight's easy to move on that side. And so they default to a lesser favorable recruitment pattern. So because they're right side, they're so dominant because they were an athlete or whatever in that side, they press the weight up no problem there,

Starting point is 01:17:24 and they're so focused on the weaker side, making sure the chest is up, the shoulders are retracted and having perfect form. They actually get better chest recruitment and activity on the less dominant side. This was actually a case that I had the same thing. So I had a very similar issue where my chest was uneven

Starting point is 01:17:41 and I was watching my less dominant side actually start to become more dominant and I think what that was was just the focus on the technique on that side and what I had to do was just I went to unilateral work really lighten the load up and really got really technical on both sides and for a while there you're going to be just the dominant side it'll be easy work. It'll be easy work compared to until they catch up. And there's just subtle, subtle postural differences there as well. As you notice on your dominant side, you may be a little more protracted with your shoulder and you're getting that extra bit of extension there from the right side and as your left is catching up and is more open

Starting point is 01:18:22 and the chest has more time to really help respond. So, to put more work back in, setting yourself up before the lift and getting those both shoulders to be open, retracted and really supported there to be able to provide that equal amount of force, that's going to contribute. Again, this is all like technique, like technique for sure with that, but like the lateral work is going to help kind of maintain the strength and kind of address any of the imbalances, strength wise, but then setting yourself up

Starting point is 01:18:56 and the mechanics of it is going to be crucial for you to like make sure that's evenly distributed. Where do you feel more, why do you say you're more dominant on the right? Is it from bench press? What exercise are you noticing? Well, that are you physically conceivable. Besides, it's more like, yeah, it's like athletically. So like I'm right handed basically is that's that's the way done. Do you notice the difference? So lift, like when you lift, no difference.

Starting point is 01:19:18 Yeah, no. So that's that's kind of why I'm a little bit more confused about it. Because I don't notice any strength differences. Like I focus a lot on form. Even when I do you to eat a lateral stuff, I notice that it's kind of why I'm a little bit more confused about it because I don't notice any strength differences. Like I focus a lot on form. Even when I do you do lateral stuff, I notice that it's kind of even. It's just the shape and the fullness on this side is just, it's like an attachment point almost like this peck. I feel like it's right in the middle of the sternum. This one just kind of veers off a little bit. It doesn't, doesn't dull a little. That's different. You know, that might be different. So without seeing a picture of your chest, it's hard for me to determine. But did you,

Starting point is 01:19:48 did you send us a picture by any chance? I, I didn't know. I, and I've got tattoos all across the, it's kind of hard to see in a picture anyway. I can, I can definitely send one in after. Yeah, because you, I mean, if it's an attachment thing, then there's nothing you can do about it. So if you have, yeah, if it attaches further off to this off the sternum, then the other side, there's nothing you can do about that. That's just an muscle attachment. Yeah, that's just your genetic. There's no difference in strength.

Starting point is 01:20:16 I'm telling you though, you're describing exactly what I went through. It looked like I had like a different shaped chest on one side versus the other. And it was just, and I could tell that it was underdeveloped. And if it would just develop, if it was developed more, then it would look more like the opposite side. And it's for the exact reasons that I'm telling you is that I was so focused on the,

Starting point is 01:20:41 the my weaker side that the technique and form was really good on that side and my dominant side, I was less focused on the technique because I had no problem. The way it was easy to move, but what I wasn't realizing was the tricep and the shoulder were taking over more of that movement to perform it, whereas in my weaker side, I had to be so perfect on form that the chest was doing most of work like it should be.

Starting point is 01:21:05 And then when I would go into things like bench press, the bar would move evenly and you wouldn't, my form would look good from the, for the average person, but what's happening is my recruitment pattern on the, on the stronger side is shoulder and tricep more. And on the weaker side, it's all chest because of my technique of practicing that. And the way I caught it up was all you know, a lot of work starting with the less dominant side first and just being very strict with form and recognizing that the side that's stronger, you're gonna have to just lay back for a while

Starting point is 01:21:34 because you know you can do way more weight, but it's not about way more weight, it's about the technique of moving the weight that matters the most. Do you have maps in the tree? I don't know. I guess I was going to be my next question. I'm in phase one of Annabelle again right now.

Starting point is 01:21:49 As you guys know, the strength gains are pretty real in that couple of weeks span there. My question was going to be, if you did point me toward more lateral training, do I just back off the strength and just focus on not looking at those numbers pop up, or is it something that can kind of work hand in hand? No, I mean, if you're having fun, you can finish Phase 1, and then I'd go into Maps Cemetery. At the end of Maps Cemetery, there's a Strength Phase, I think you'll really like. So, finish up Phase 1, because it sounds like you're

Starting point is 01:22:16 to have gotten some great gains. I wouldn't want to stop that. And then after Phase 1, switch right into Maps Cemetery. Okay, yeah, I can do that. All right, man. Thanks for calling me. Oh, thanks a lot. You guys appreciate it, guys.

Starting point is 01:22:27 You got it. Thanks. If it's a literal attachment issue, though, there's nothing you could do about it, but I think it's probably what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, you're right. It's not common to have a radically different attachment right to left, unless you had an injury, right?

Starting point is 01:22:40 Let's see more something. Right, yeah, before you really put the one. You can see that. You can even do it like this. Like, that's why this is so close to Yeah, before you really put the one. You can see that. You can even like see it. Like this is why this is so close to home for me. It's like, I thought all those things. I was like, man, why is my chest not attached to the center like the other one?

Starting point is 01:22:51 It was just, it wasn't full enough to fill in the gap on that side. You couldn't even see that, it was an attack. Yeah. And so it was just, it was way more, and it was on the opposite side, you would think, and it was for all the reasons I said. So I think it's, I wish I still had had a I don't know if I have a picture somewhere

Starting point is 01:23:07 of me like that but those a major issue for me was I I could not figure that out for the longest time being like I don't understand why my my weaker side as a more developed looking chest and that was it. Our next caller is Amber from California Amber how you doing? Hi, good to see you. Amber, how you doing? Hi. Good to see you. Hi, Amber. Not a lot.

Starting point is 01:23:28 Just answering questions. How can we help you? Oh, well, I'm so excited to be here and to have my question answered, hopefully. So I have been basically training for about a year and a half with a focus on strength and sorry my daughter's right here so if I keep looking over. That's right. So in September I have noticed these like horizontal dents that developed in my quad muscles on the front of them obviously and I don't really know what they're from exactly. I'm worried that it's bad form.

Starting point is 01:24:09 I read that it could be from leaning on a counter or a table. So my questions are, A, what do you think most likely caused these horizontal dents? And B, how did I train moving forward to minimize these dense and hopefully reverse them. Do they hurt or bother you or do you notice anything when you work out or they just visually see them? Visually, there's no pain, it's all aesthetically very displeasing. And then when you press, if you press your hand above the dent,

Starting point is 01:24:46 you have, you said you have a daughter? Yeah, two kids actually. Did you notice a lot of water retention when you were pregnant? You know, when you test it and you put your hand on it and like it leaves it like an indentation you take your hand off and then it's there. You know what?

Starting point is 01:24:59 I don't know, but I was wondering if maybe there was something going on with like hormones and body fat, you know, because it's like above the dents, it seems to be like puffier. So like on the upper thigh, you know, that whole area. There's, there's an edema thing going on. I would, I would go to the doctor and I would have them check your, if you're having any lymphatic issues or anything in that nature. This, this is a water, this seems to be a

Starting point is 01:25:26 water retention or swelling issue. It's not muscle, unless you have some damaged muscle there, but you would have known. Like you would have gotten a car accident or somebody kicked you or somebody. Yeah, it looks like there's some kind of swelling coming probably from the pelvis area or above. And then what happens is it starts to settle. It's trapped. And it comes down. Yeah, and it goes down the body.

Starting point is 01:25:52 And it's kind of staying around there. And so the dent really is where there's no swelling or less swelling. It's what it looks like to me. But I would definitely have a doctor look at it because this could be not a big deal, could also be a very big deal. There's some kind of a drainage issue or some kind of a blockage, especially a blood clot or something like that. Do you have any tingling or any different, like any strength weakness, any weaknesses,

Starting point is 01:26:17 anything like that in the lower body? No, actually, I feel fine and I feel strong and I feel healthy. It's just kind of like the look of it is just a little weird. Okay. And then it's always like this, right? It's not like when you're sitting and something's on your leg and you take it off. It's just no matter what, it's always there. Um, yeah, I did stop working out for about two weeks.

Starting point is 01:26:40 And I've been very cautious about the table at work. And it seems to not be as deep as it was, but it's still, I can run my hand across and it's like, you know. Yeah, it looks like a water, it looks like a water. Yeah, it's a nice. Do you notice if you, yeah, like carbohydrates or sodium, like you've consumed a bit, like,

Starting point is 01:26:58 does it affect the size or anything? No, no, it hasn't gotten worse. Okay, so you ever see, no, it hasn't gotten worse. Okay. So you ever see like, sometimes you'll have like a guy will wear long, you've got dress socks on. The real long, he goes on a trip, comes back from business, takes his socks off and then it's like,

Starting point is 01:27:17 he's got like, it's like swelling above it and then all of a sudden you can tell where the socks were. Okay, yes. Okay, so it could be something like that. There's some water retention going on. Maybe you're leaning up against the desk. You come off, it takes a while for it to go away. I would still get checked out though,

Starting point is 01:27:31 to make sure that there's nothing wrong with the way your body is moving fluid throughout itself, just to make sure, just to rule out anything else. Okay. Okay, but it's not your workout. It's not your workout. There's nothing you're doing with your workout that's causing that. Yeah. Okay, but it's not your workout. It's not your workout. There's nothing there's nothing you do with your workout that's causing that. Yeah. Okay, thank goodness. I mean, hopefully it's nothing bad, obviously, but I was worried that I messed it up on my own like from

Starting point is 01:27:54 back form. No, no, no, no, no, no, nothing you do with workout. Go have a check out and then circle back because I'd like to hear what they say. Yeah, what program you follow on by the way Amber? Actually, I'm not following any program. I'm just doing it on my own. That's why you get the dance. You're not following the program. I'm going to send you a program.

Starting point is 01:28:16 I'm going to send you a program. I'm going to send you one of our programs. Do you go to a gym or do you work at a home? So I do have a gym in the apartment building that I go to and it's a dumbbell kettlebell cable machine. Very small but efficient and that's I just go there and I just do it you know. Okay, I'm gonna send you maps and a ball like follow the dumbbell only version. That's that probably be a good program for you. Okay, perfect.

Starting point is 01:28:40 That's awesome and then I'll definitely go to the doctor because I mean, yeah, I gotta do that. I'll go do that and make sure everything's fine just yeah, just check it out Okay, yeah, then let us know all right. Yeah All right, perfect. I definitely will and you know, just thank you for taking the time to help me with this You know issue and definitely appreciate the show and everything you do for us and sharing all the wonderful information and not selling up to me below me we don't need. Thank you so much. Appreciate the call. Thank you Amber. Bye guys. Take it easy. Well, that I want to retake you. I had a thought through this.

Starting point is 01:29:15 Like if that was me, like I would get one of those like cupcake, you know, pans and just well, what? Now I got instant apps. Like that that meme of the guy in the fence. You know, you can use it. and pans and just, well, what? Now I got instant abs. Ah, stupid. Stupid. Like that meme of the guy in defense. You know, you can use it. Use it. Use one retention to your benefit. Use it for your advantage.

Starting point is 01:29:32 The advantage that you want. It's most likely that. There's no, I mean, she doesn't hurt, doesn't bother her. Well, look, and the reason why I told her to the doctor is you could have, could be like a circulation. You could have a minor infection,

Starting point is 01:29:44 and upper part of your body, it your body, the fluid tends to travel down, and then you'll see it kind of stop at a particular point, and you'll notice the slide. It seems like that's probably what's going on. Yeah, that's weird thing. Or there's some kind of water retention issue, and she is leaning up against a desk all day long, and then when she comes off, it sticks around for the rest of the day, and she's noticing she's hyper aware of it.

Starting point is 01:30:04 But nonetheless, you have nothing crazy. If you have weird like excessive swelling or un, what's the word I want to use? Uniform swelling. It's almost always a reason to go to the doctor because it probably isn't like something bad, but it could be. So that's one of the things you want to get checked out. Our next colors, Gabby from South Carolina. Gabby, what's happening? How you doing? Hi guys, I briefly met y'all when I went to the Olympics

Starting point is 01:30:32 and I feel like eight seconds, but I was kind of star-stroke. So anyway, my question for you guys, I have been lifting for the past four years. I started doing it well about three years ago. I'm now at the point where I want to change my training focus for a while. I've been focusing on strength and building muscle. I went through a couple of different books

Starting point is 01:30:58 and a couple of different cuts until I decided I had the amount of muscle that I was happy with. And before I started lifting, I was really into running. And I know that obviously you can't build muscle while you're running. They're opposing adaptations. But now that I've built a physique that I like, I have an amount of muscle mass that I do like, but I want to phase towards running again. And I want to train for a half marathon, maybe a marathon.

Starting point is 01:31:26 Obviously, I am not trying to build muscle while I'm doing this, but I would like to try and keep as much as I can. I know I can't overtrain, I can't lift a ton while I, while my mileage increases, but I want to be able to still have a pretty strong metabolism. I don't want to have a ton of down regulation So I'm just trying to see how I can best preserve the muscle mass that I already have and to make sure that my metabolism doesn't down regulate too much I'm just for background, I guess I'm 23 next week. I am

Starting point is 01:32:02 118 pounds I'm five five and my body fat percentage is probably around 19% and I eat like 2100 calories while running nine miles a week and Didn't three times a week. What's the goal with the with the half marathon marathon? Yeah, that's it. Do you want it? Are you trying to win them or just Do you want it or you're trying to win them or just complete them? Complete them. I want to complete them well, but I'm not trying to necessarily be People, oh, lift one day week. It's it's like this easy. You don't need a train crazy for half a minute already writing nine miles a week Do you feel like you could just go right now? Do you feel like you could go run a half marathon and be okay? No, I feel like I could run maybe 10 miles or not. You're close. Maybe, maybe, yeah, I'm close, but so I am training for the half marathon in three months,

Starting point is 01:32:52 and then after that I'm going to do another three months to train for the marathon. Okay, so look, here's a deal. For the half marathon, honestly, you probably don't need to run more than twice a week. I would do a fast five mile run and a slower 10 mile run. I would not run 13 miles until the day of the marathon. Lift two days a week, bump your calories a little bit, and you'll be okay. When you get to marathon, drop your strength training down to once a week, add another day of running where you're going to go five miles fast, 10 miles slower, and then you're gonna do one 15,

Starting point is 01:33:27 13 to 15 mile run, but don't run a full marathon until you get the day of marathon. Now that should get you there without over-training, without overdoing it and feeling pretty darn good. But I would bump your calories in the process. Keep your protein intake high, get good sleep, and you'll be okay. Where you're gonna mess up is by running more than that.

Starting point is 01:33:49 By just doing lots, people lots, lots of running. They think that if they get ready for a marathon, they'll be able to run every single day. And or also doing a bunch more training or keeping your training. I think you could go down to two days a week if she's training for the half marathon and then go down to one day a week

Starting point is 01:34:03 if she's gonna go for the full marathon. Yeah, exactly. But everything else, I 100% agree exactly like that. Yeah it'll be totally fine. Okay well thank you guys I just don't want to lose I guess what I worked really hard for in building up my metabolism. You won't over training the only way you do that. You won't and whatever you do will come right back. Yeah, right away. You're gonna get, you're gonna, here's what you'll notice. You'll get more endurance.

Starting point is 01:34:28 You're gonna lose some strength. You might lose some muscle fullness. Body fat percentage might go up a little bit at most if it does. That's about it. And then when you're out of it, you know, take a little time off, get back to lifting, you'll bounce back really quick.

Starting point is 01:34:41 If you overdo it in your training, that's where you're gonna screw yourself up. And honestly, there's a lot of great features. A lot of value in moving in and out of stuff like this. It's the people that get stuck in it, that it's not healthy in ideal. But for you to have strength train, build your metabolism up,

Starting point is 01:34:56 done a great job, but you've done so far, to interrupt that with a nice half marathon, the marathon run, and then go back to your training is completely healthy. You're at the endurance belt benefits going back in the strength training. It's gonna be great for you. Yeah, and yeah go back to your training, is completely healthy. You're at the endurance belt benefits going back in the strength training. It's gonna be great for you. Yeah, and yeah, look,

Starting point is 01:35:09 she's got a great physique. We're looking at your Instagram right now. Yeah, you do got a great muscle. I think you'll be okay. I think you'll be okay. You're not gonna lose as much as you think. If you start to, here's a deal. If you start to feel like garbage,

Starting point is 01:35:21 if you start to have poor sleep, if you start to just feel weathered and beat up, don't get caught up in the like, I got to do this at all costs, type of crap because that's where people start to run into problems. But if you feel good while you're doing you feel kind of good, don't say to yourself, ooh, I feel good, I could do more, just feel good, just keep yourself in that feel good state and you'll be okay. Okay, perfect. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it a lot.

Starting point is 01:35:46 You got it. Thanks for calling in. All right, bye. You know, I'll tell you what, we met her boyfriend or husband. We both of them. Yeah, as I said, he looks really good. Yeah, I think so. So, you know, here, okay.

Starting point is 01:35:58 So if people think that overtraining is common in the gym and the strength training space, multiply times 100 in the gym and the strength training space. Multiply times a hundred in the running space. Oh yeah, the running is, yeah. I have never, never, ever met anybody who trains for a marathon or a half marathon who didn't just always run. Reasonably.

Starting point is 01:36:17 Yeah, nobody does. They think that they need to run, they need to get close to what the race is once a week and the other times run like crazy miles. It doesn't know, not at all. I mean, I had one woman we got her ready for Boston to qualify for Boston and then for the Boston. So, you know, and she never ran a full marathon

Starting point is 01:36:34 in our strength. And our strength. And if you're competing for the competition. That's it. Especially if the suggestion, the mile suggestion you gave, you're over time, you're incrementing, improving that. That's right. You're just getting a little bit better at the 10 minute. That's what you want to see. A little bit better at's right. You're just getting a little bit better at the time.

Starting point is 01:36:45 That's what you want to see. A little bit better at the five minute. You're getting a little bit better at the 15 minute, or the 15 mile. At each time, you're getting a little bit better at it. You keep progressing like that. Then the day of the actual half marathon, marathon, that's when you push yourself.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2229: Ways to Correct an Extreme Muscle Asymmetry, Tips to Overcome Excessive Water Retention, How to Prevent Muscle Loss When Training for a Half Marathon & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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