Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2231: The Negative Effects of Protein Shakes, How to Train to Improve Golf Performance, the Truth About the “Butt Wink” & More

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Starting point is 00:03:19 It almost never works to harp on somebody or preach to somebody on how they need to change things. But being the example often works when you do it in a very calm, confident way. Literally, be the way you want them to be. Be the example. Become about it. And then watch people come around. Isn't it funny how long it takes anybody who has been getting that has been bitten by

Starting point is 00:03:43 the fitness bug, it takes them a long time to figure this out. Oh yeah. And I always compare it to religion. Because I feel like it's real similar. If you were in your mid 30s or 40s or older and you never really took care of your health, never exercise, never strain train,

Starting point is 00:04:04 never really ate a proper diet, and you do it for the first time consistently and committed and committed to it. Changes your life. Changes your life. And it reminds me a lot of people that have been wandering through life with no purpose and no belief in anything,

Starting point is 00:04:20 and you're just here, and then they find religion, and it changes their life. You want to scream from the rooftop? Yeah, and then everybody you see, you wanna tell them about your religion or you wanna tell them about their, and it's like, it turns everybody off. I won't.

Starting point is 00:04:34 It turned, I've never, and by the way, I'm speaking from, you know, I'm guilty too. I'm guilty of being that guy who, fact, I've told a story a long time ago to you guys where I like, I got in a fight with one of my good friends because I, mine was more about talking about how much I love the working in a gym and being a trainer and like I was so passionate and excited about my job and it rubbed him the wrong way because I was always

Starting point is 00:04:58 talking about it. And it's like, but to me it highlights that, like, you know, people don't always want to receive that information. It's like they have to, people don't always want to receive that information. It's like they have to, they have to first want that before you give it to them. And I don't care how much, how many of the answers you have for them, it's like, if they're not in a position, they're not in a place in their life

Starting point is 00:05:16 where they want to receive that or they're asking you, then it comes off horrible. It totally, well, with health and fitness in particular, because, you know, what's the implication, right? What's the potential implication? Somebody comes up to you, a friend of yours, they just started working out, they just lost 20 pounds.

Starting point is 00:05:32 And they're feeling a lot better and they come to you and they're like, hey, hey, John, dude, you got to do this thing, man, you got to do this diet thing, you got to work out. I mean, you might be thinking to yourself, like, screw you, man, like, we're trying to say I'm fat, like, you just started doing this yourself, you know, and, and, you know, I'll do it myself. I figured out what I'm immediate, like defensive. Yes. Response. Yeah. What do you mean I'm not good enough? I said, I could see how religion can do that as well, right? Oh, now you think you're better. You know, that's like the, the natural and clean hands. Yeah. Oh, this is just another thing that he's on right now. Yeah. Go talk to me in six

Starting point is 00:06:02 months or a year. Right. So this, this is, it's an interesting one because the most effective ways I've ever been evangelized into anything was never because somebody came and, you know, hit me with it in my face. Clearly by observation. It was always because I was around. They're observing. And I, something about what they were doing or how they were. I really liked or I could see what they were doing. And I could say, man, the way that that person operates their business or while the way that person's a father or whatever.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Yeah, like, what is that, you know? And then you true influence. 100%. It's not that fake projected like, I'm telling you to do this because I'm so passionate about you just watching what I'm doing and you want to know what that is because it's contagious. Look, all of us have been doing this for a long time.

Starting point is 00:06:48 I've been training people professionally for a long, long time, like 25 years, okay? Do you know how many times I sat my parents down or like, like, aunts and uncles and cousins and grandparents? Yeah. We're going to do grandparents. We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that, you know, one time I remember as, you know, embarrassing to talk about, but like I went to my parents house and I threw away a bunch of the food that they bought,

Starting point is 00:07:14 because it was bad for them, like I'm the kid, right? And I'm the parent, like, you're not gonna do, you know, you're gonna walk and whatever. And you're gonna do this stuff. And it never works, it never, never. And if you're gonna call the health nuts, oh god, yeah, I call everything. I've been called that a few times.

Starting point is 00:07:27 Yeah, it just doesn't work. The most effective thing I ever did, though, was just be cool, calm, confident about it. And then people tend to come up to me and go, man, you got a lot of energy or, you know, wow. Not, I'm not gonna say tend to. They all do eventually. Everybody does eventually.

Starting point is 00:07:43 If you, if you put your head down, you stay consistent with your eating, your training, you just live the example, then almost everybody at one point in their life will cross the time when they desire something about that. They wanna be better about their diet. I've never met a person one that hasn't set thought to themselves, I need to eat a little bit better or take care of myself a little more. Or maybe I should actually, and if you are never thumping them over the head with it,

Starting point is 00:08:11 and you're just living the example, and you're the best example in their life of that, they will make them feel the least judge. That's right. You will be the one. They come out to you and say, you know, so I've been thinking about trying to be better about my diet. I've watched you for years the way you are. So like that, what are you guys should do?

Starting point is 00:08:30 Yes. 100% it'll happen that way, but you gotta be patient. Well, and it's not just that, like, because I think that what happens we get impatient, especially if there's someone you care about and you see their health going down or you see the mobility have issues or whatever, you could become impatient, but the bottom bottom line is there is no other way.

Starting point is 00:08:49 So in other words, you're not making the choice of I'll be patient, be the example, and that'll take longer, or I could kind of force it to happen. You just, it won't happen otherwise. So even if it doesn't happen, it would never happen anyway. That's right. You can't sit and force somebody.

Starting point is 00:09:07 And even if you do, they'll never stick with it. So like you might be able to... The fail rate is terrible. Yeah, you might be able, if you have a child or somebody who, you're an authority to, or you can pressure somebody or guilt somebody into, you know, making some issue, but they'll never stick to it. Yeah, because they didn't they didn't ask for it. You know, the I'll here's all your evidence you need. People I think rely on epiphanies. It's like, oh,

Starting point is 00:09:35 I'm just, you know, they'll just get it. Something's going to happen. Do you know how many people? Yeah. You know, this is, this is just rhetorical, right? I mean, I don't need to answer, because we, I think we all know the answer. But you know how many people have heart attacks or survive cancer or get diagnosed with diabetes or high blood pressure or have some mobility issue that becomes obvious and still do nothing about it? Most people.

Starting point is 00:10:01 So, and the reason why I'm saying that is because then this may happen. Like, oh the reason why I'm saying that is because, or, because then this may happen like, oh my dad just had, he just got diagnosed with diabetes. So I had to go sit down with him and hammer him and preach him, preach to him, whatever. Still won't work. They, if they come to you, you'd be the calm example and you help and you can coach them and do all that,

Starting point is 00:10:24 but it just doesn't work. It also makes fitness people you know can make us appear, it were easy targets as hypocrites when you're seeing their preaching all the time because you know real balance isn't perfect so you're oh you're a fitness person but I saw you eat pizza last Friday or I've seen you miss a workout, or maybe you're just young, you have good genetic, and that happens when you're the preachy person, because I always gonna look for the faults, right? I think too, I understand, because I've been in this position too, when you have a family member that say has cancer,

Starting point is 00:10:54 or you're watching them just kind of eat their life away, and there's somebody you love. And so I get the pull, right, to wanna try and say their lives, but when I'm facing those situations, I just take that on as a personal challenge of I've gotta be even better. I've gotta be so good about what I do

Starting point is 00:11:17 that it becomes contagious. And if they haven't asked me yet, then there's room for me to continue to be better. I'm not good enough, right? I'm not doing it well enough for them to, you know, and be there. Be there for them when they need it. Yeah. You know, that's the other side of it. Not to be like the, I'm going to go work out and just kind of disconnect from the sky. You know, I think this is a put, this is actually a part of our resistance. So, you know, off air that we talk more about this, and we've mentioned it on air before, that we all hate to be called influencers.

Starting point is 00:11:48 And I think that's because we never sought out to do that. Like the mission was to go out and help people and share all this information and knowledge. It wasn't to influence people to doing something. It was like, let's go out and let's give, let's show, let's be, let's be the example, let's help others by showing others like that. But by no means we want to beat you overhead and shame you or guilt you in anything

Starting point is 00:12:11 like that. We've never attempted to try and influence people. So when people call you an influencer, I just, I know some people embrace it. And they're like, all about it. I hate it. It's fine if it's like it's who you are. It's authentic. And it's just magnified, right? Like I think that's the ideal situation, but it's when it's like you start being influenced by, you know, the people are falling,

Starting point is 00:12:33 you're trying to portray something that's really not, you know, what you normally do, or like you're overly trying to create this persona for people to buy into. It's just like, it just doesn't work. It's because influencer to me, when someone says influencer, it smells like fame seeker.

Starting point is 00:12:53 Like, oh, I do this because it gives me followers. It makes me feel important, you know? So that's why I hate it. Cause I've met, obviously, you know, we've met a lot of influencers. And I mean, I know people know this, but maybe they do, maybe they don't, but most of them are fake.

Starting point is 00:13:10 Like most of them are not real. Well, most of them are doing what Justin said. Most of them are, you know, reading the algorithm, right? Or reading the feedback and the metrics, and they're going, oh, when I say these things, or when I act this way, you know, it gets me all the way. Yeah. Oh, I hate that. And so that's why I think none of us, like,

Starting point is 00:13:29 I think, I mean, it's all kind of in the same vein, right? The stuff that we're talking about. I'm not, I'm not. I'll give you, I have a personal example. Okay. You brought up religion. You know, if you've listened to show long enough, you've heard my spiritual journey, but I used to be a very stout atheist. And I mean, a real atheist, not like, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:48 some people say, oh, I don't know. I like, literally was searching. I was searching. Like I was searching, and that was the conclusion I came to, and I was ready to defend it, okay. But I was always searching. I was a real, I was an atheist. At some point, it became more agnostic,

Starting point is 00:14:00 and there was, you know, stuff that led to that. And then that's kind of where I sat for a while. And then we, we interviewed Bishop Baron. Now the point of interviewing Bishop Baron, the first interview, because we had him on this way I think twice. The first one was really because, it was kind of my own curiosity.

Starting point is 00:14:17 He was so open to being questioned on the internet, you watch him on YouTube, he was very intelligent. So I said, this will be a great episode. And what's interesting, by the way, looking back, this kind of little side note, there were a lot of people that were like, you're crazy for having a bishop on your podcast, it's going to crash your podcast. You're like, nobody wants to talk here about that on your show. We all decided, we're like, screw you, we do what we want, type of deal.

Starting point is 00:14:40 And so we went down to Santa Barbara to interview him. And it was really, I was asking questions that I wanted to answer to. Anyway, while I'm there, his staff and his team were literally what I'm talking about. They were just the way that they were. It opened me up so much.

Starting point is 00:14:57 They were just such good people. Nobody was like preaching to me or saying, it was just these really, it was just incredible experience. And that opened me up to asking more questions and that kind of stuff. That experience is exactly what I'm talking about with fitness when people around you, they don't feel like you feel like you're better than them

Starting point is 00:15:17 or they feel like they're worse than you. They're just like, man, you know, God, that guy's so energetic, he's so, he looks good, he looks like he feels good, like I wanna know what he's doing, you know? And that is the most effective way to, I guess, influence to use that word effectively, you know? You know, bringing up the Bishop Aaron,

Starting point is 00:15:35 I actually have forgotten about that kind of moment and time for us. We were really nervous about doing that. I know. I remember, you know, we're still on the rise, right? And we weren't as big as we are now as far as listening to our ship. And there was this fear of, you know, oh my God,

Starting point is 00:15:55 are we gonna jump the shark by doing this? And it was like, I remember all of us agreeing that, now this is a conversation that we genuinely all want to have. And we should do it for that reason. And it ended up being one of the most viral and biggest bumps we had ever felt in the business to date. And so it was massive. And we didn't do it for that at all.

Starting point is 00:16:17 No, no, that was fact. We thought we thought we were going to get hurt. And we agreed. Fuck it. Who cares? Who cares? If we get hurt at this point, this is what we want to do. And this reminds me of, I just was, this is just in the last week,

Starting point is 00:16:30 I've been going back and forth and our forum. And there's a thread going about, you know, the people that were that didn't like the Adam Lane Smith episode. I remember we had that same conversation, like, you know, do we take this chance and, you know, basically allows, give somebody our platform by themselves, no interview, but to present their information, that they're providing and we all, we all just agreed like, you know, this could hurt the business, whatever, but I just, we think that we value this information so much. And originally the feedback in our form, I'd say was about 50-50, I felt like,

Starting point is 00:17:05 oh, wow, there's a lot of people that spoke up that said, like, oh, I didn't like it, or I didn't, I skipped it, boys aren't there. And so I was like, man, that's really interesting. And then right after that comes out the Spotify updates for the year, right? And Spotify has this thing every year that's their viral social media thing that everybody posts, where they, by the way, have you heard like how much that's what that's done for Spotify? I'll get to that after this little side. I think it's brilliant,

Starting point is 00:17:31 but you know, it's so marketing for them for sure. Well, just brilliant because nobody's tracking podcasts and showing stats on it. But anyway, I can't go and add on what I take you off from. And so on the forum, you know, sometimes too, this can be a little bit deceiving for us, right?

Starting point is 00:17:44 So we have this community of people. And I'd argue that some of those people are very responsible for the early growth of this business and the support and everything. So we value their opinion a lot. And having 50% of the people be like, nah, about it was like, oh, fuck, maybe it was a bad decision. Well, then out roles, the the Spotify thing and low and behold,

Starting point is 00:18:06 the single, most shared episode that we had ever done in the previous year was the Adam Lane Smith episode. And it felt so good to get that because I'm guilty of allowing sometimes the loud minority to steer the direction of the business when our heart and gut tells us how to do it. Can I just give you guys, I'm gonna give you guys just a nice pat on the back.

Starting point is 00:18:29 I really appreciate this about all you guys is that, because here's what happens, you have a business, and we all lead in different ways, but Adam definitely leads the business side the most. And so the struggle is always, do we do what we wanna do, what we think is right, and what's gonna grow the business? Because if you can't grow the business, then, do we do what we want to do, what we think is right? And what's going to grow the business? Because if you can't grow the business, then you can't do what you want to do. And you can't help people. That's just the fact, right? So if you're a trainer

Starting point is 00:18:51 in your coach, you want to help people. If you can't reach people and nobody wants to hire you, you get to help no one. So there's a side of it that's always the business side. And you got to juggle that. And you don't want to make stupid decisions that could crush your business, because then you lose the ability to help people. But you also, if you have integrity, want to make decisions that are not just based off of, here's what's going to make us popular, because it's not who we are or maybe it doesn't really align with our values and, you know, you could, and trust me, you could always twist and find a way to make it align with your values or trick yourself.

Starting point is 00:19:27 And so the kudos that, what I want to say is that you, we don't do that, you guys don't do that at all. I know you don't at all, Adam. So with something like that, I mean, that's awesome because here's a deal. We didn't do it to get more shares. None of us sat in here said, we're gonna put these Adam Lane Smith episodes up because he's gonna get shared. Like crazy.

Starting point is 00:19:47 No, definitely not. It was literally like, this is good stuff. No, I'm not gonna try to. I still remember the moment where Doug was warning us. He was, hey, this may not be a good idea. Maybe we should really think about this and he was thinking, Doug too, I was always thinking of protecting the podcast of business.

Starting point is 00:20:06 Of course, always thinking that way. And I remember, I don't care. Like, I don't care if it hurts the business. I think it's the right thing to do. And it was so nice that it was not only, not only did it end up being shared, but it got shared the most because it wasn't shared the most. It was the second most. I wouldn't see it. I wouldn't know because we don't have those.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Oh, because the stats come in just like that. Yeah, the stats, the analytics on those things are not easy to obtain and figure out. And so if it was the second most shared, it wouldn't have been populated. So you know what this reminds me of, and then I want to circle back to the Spotify stats. I don't want you to forget about that. But you know what this reminds me of. Do you guys remember the moment as a trainer? Because it's a very natural thing to feel. to the Spotify stats. I don't want you to forget about that. But you know what this reminds me of? Do you guys remember the moment as a trainer?

Starting point is 00:20:45 Because it's a very natural thing to feel. And I don't think it was obvious when we were trainers two decades ago. It's a very natural thing to not want to send your clients to other providers because you're afraid that they're not going to have the funds to continue to hire you. Personal training is not cheap.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Even in the late 90s, when I was doing it, you know, it was 50 bucks an hour back then So even now for a lot of people that's a lot of money back then that was a ton of money and so the fear was This person just bought 20 sessions for me They want to go see a chiropractor or they want to go see an acupuncture so they want to go see a physical therapist Holy cow if they take their money and spend it with them, they're gonna have less to hire me. So I'd rather they not see anybody else. There's a like this battle, right?

Starting point is 00:21:29 And I remember there was a moment in my career where I just said, I don't, whatever, fine. If they don't have enough money to help me, that person is gonna do a better job at this specific thing. And it's best for the client. What's best for the client, right? And then do you guys remember this moment doing that?

Starting point is 00:21:42 And realizing your business grew because of it? Yeah. How, was that a crazy moment for you guys? Yeah, it was. And I actually learned that lesson pretty early on in my career. And I think in my experience, the fitness space is plagued by some of the most people that have that scarcity mindset. Awesome.

Starting point is 00:22:02 I don't know if I've met or been introduced to an industry that has it worse than we do. I just feel like it's so common. You get systhical. Especially since there's like, you labeled something, right? There's so many different avenues to pursue health for people like as far as... Just pain alone.

Starting point is 00:22:20 You have acupuncture, chiropractic, physical therapy, personal training, massage therapy, Western medicine, all of which are valid and have valid methods of dealing with pain. You talk to a professional, each one of those, and they'll tell you the best at it. Right? So, and they're going to fight, and they're going to try and compete with each other. No, don't go see that guy. See me instead or whatever.

Starting point is 00:22:41 And what's crazy is the clients that I had that saw multiple providers that I worked with personally were the ones that stayed with me the longest. And they were the ones that referred the most people. It only grew my business. But the crazy thing is that's not the reason why I did it. The retention is crazy. But yeah, if you're just solely focused on providing the best care, the best service,

Starting point is 00:23:01 like eventually that's gonna get out. And that's really what separates you, especially to your point of it being a very rare thing to find in our space, you stick out like just this beacon. And it's like people can understand that if they go to you, maybe you don't have all of the answers, but you have people around you that do. And it's like you're going to refer them and they know that you're gonna be accounted for. And it's not just gonna be this garnering. It's like, I gotta keep you to myself

Starting point is 00:23:31 and make sure that I do all the things. I always tell my trainers that you're stop thinking that the customer is so naive and dumb. Like, they feel that, they know that. And if you lose out on them as a client because they only have a budget That's this big and they now have the allocated to that budget over to a referral that you gave them That's a chiropractor acumen or something and that solves their problem That one person who may never be able to afford to buy training from you or come back to you will refer you more people

Starting point is 00:24:04 You get the credit. You will, they will, they will send you so much business because you're responsible for them helping solve that problem. Even if you initially lose that business up front, the, what you get on the back end is normally 10 fold that. So always keep that in mind when you're making that decision on whether you should outsource or send them somewhere else, even if it temporarily hurts your business because it'll eventually actually build your business. You know, you know, the irony of that is, is if you do it for that reason, it doesn't work as well.

Starting point is 00:24:32 You have to literally do it because you just want to, you really care about the person. Then this stuff tends to come back because sometimes it doesn't come back. And if you're always looking for that, damn it, I referred that person and they did get better. And they didn't refer to anybody to me. You know what, it doesn't work. I heard Adam say it on my pump. That's bullshit. It doesn't work. What are you? Yeah. You can't do it for that. Damn, and I referred that person, and they did get better, and they didn't refer to anybody to me. You know what, it doesn't work. I heard Adam say it on my pump. That's bullshit, it doesn't work. What are you doing?

Starting point is 00:24:49 You can't do it for that reason. Right, or they ask for it, right? Well, I'm gonna go send you over there. If it gets him, go do this for me. You have to do it with expecting nothing. Tell me about the stats now with the pump. Oh, so I just, I just, you know, maybe that maybe Andrew or Doug could look up, maybe the actual numbers

Starting point is 00:25:04 and Alex on it, but they rolled that out a year or two ago, I think it was two years ago now, so they rolled that out. And they saw this crazy, massive bump in subscriptions to Spotify just by sharing that stuff. It was such a brilliant marketing strategy on their part to just give that to people because people just want, they wanted to share it. And the amount of ads and subscribers that Spotify got from that campaign,

Starting point is 00:25:34 which is why you noticed they've bolstered it. Right, so it originally started off with like, yeah, it started off with like, oh, your top five music or your number one thing that you listen to, there would be like three or five things where this year they had like all kinds of data that came out. Oh yeah, you could see how many of your,

Starting point is 00:25:48 as a podcast business, you could see how many of your listeners listen to you more than any other podcast, how many listeners are, you're in their top five, how many listeners, you're in their top 10, how many new listeners you got. Yeah. Like there's only how many new listeners you got? Yeah. Like there's always. How many minutes, you know, it's really cool.

Starting point is 00:26:07 Yeah, it's crazy. Really cool because the podcast space lacked all that data. It was like, and like you said, we're getting nothing. Yeah, it's been so frustrating. I mean, yeah, when it's like all on iTunes or I guess Apple podcasts, it's been like just a mystery. And it's like, we'll see waves, we'll see like, you know, you know, we're just completely declines and just trying to figure out like where it's

Starting point is 00:26:31 coming from, pinpointing like kind of how the best target audience is, like it's been rough. Look at their numbers there, annual Spotify users from 2017 to 2023, holy Toledo, look at that growth. That's in the millions. That, yeah. So what's that top number there, my eye says, it's getting pretty good. 551 million. Wow, users.

Starting point is 00:26:51 So, and in 2022 was 433. You guys saw, like, so it went up that much. Joe Rogan's up for contract soon, right? Yeah. What's your speculation, do you think he's? I thought for a second X would start competing, but because all those advertisers pulled, I don't know how much money they have.

Starting point is 00:27:08 Yeah, I don't know if it's a really interesting to talk about and speculate because Spotify and the lot, especially with all these companies like contracting, I believe Spotify too, just had another massive layoff, not that long ago with like 1500 employees. Someone can fact check me on that, but I'm pretty sure that just happened within the last 30 or 60 days.

Starting point is 00:27:28 So you have a lot of these big companies that are contracting and there, I mean, a lot of the partners that I talked to that work with us, you know, were one of, if not the only podcast that they continued advertising with and all of them had said the same thing, it's just that we're completely pulling back on that. Just they need to do things that they can track every dollar. If we spend four, we get eight and be for sure about it, where, you know, advertising on podcast, television, radio stuff like that is, it's hard to measure to a T like that.

Starting point is 00:27:59 So that being said, and Joe Rogan being the biggest paid podcast that they've ever worked with, I don't know if they, I don't know if they offer them the same thing. And I think they would have to offer the same thing or more for him to even consider it, you know what I mean? It will reduce the number of its employees by 17%. Wow. Well, what's that? What do you, what do you say? That's from Spotify. I know, but what's he sharing? What are you sharing? It's about Spotify and how much they release people and they release about 17% of their employees and the CFO.

Starting point is 00:28:30 Oh, recently. Yeah. Yeah. So I was, it was, when was it? Was that right? It was just recent. Okay. So scroll, zoom in again, Andrew and then the 17th.

Starting point is 00:28:41 The 17th. Zoom in again and go to that paragraph underneath the one that you were just looking at and zoom in right there so I could see that because I saw something. Yeah. It says Spotify has embarked on an evolution over the last two years to bring our spending more in line with market expectations

Starting point is 00:28:55 while also funding the significant growth opportunities we continue to identify. There, it sounds like they're just being, they're projecting and being smart. So yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before. You've all, in the last year, you've had all these company evaluations, like cut in half. And so when you're, when you're a company like them that is taking on money from investors and you're saying things like you're, you know, you're worth a hundred X of what they're

Starting point is 00:29:24 doing like that. People just keep throwing money at you like crazy. You're gonna make the runway longer by cutting their spending. Right, so the opposite happened last year. You know, they, they, most all these companies' valuations went down by 50% some more than that. And so now all the, all the money's being held

Starting point is 00:29:39 and tied up, right? Which by the way, are you, are you current on all end right now? No. Yeah, the speculation by the way, are you are you current on all end right now? No. Yeah, the speculation on the potential, both sacks and I think Freiburg both said this, believe that a rate drop is going to happen in Q1 and of course he's saying it, I think we talked about this. To just provide it. Yeah, of course. Because it'll take a little bit for that to actually. Yeah, because it's hurting them right now. Yeah. And so it potentially is going to, and then if it does that,

Starting point is 00:30:08 it's going to set fire on the market. It'll just take off again. I know. Housing market will go off. And then, and then, Tramoth Chinden and said, like, his prediction is if they do that, that there's like trillions of dollars that's tied up right now, that's there,

Starting point is 00:30:24 that isn't being invested in spent because of the fear right now. So a lot of people that are venture capitalists or angel investors, the money is there. Like we can track, like that there's a lot of money in people's accounts and savings, especially the Uber wealthy, and they're holding on to it right now

Starting point is 00:30:40 in fear of like where the market's gonna go. Any sign of the market getting even better, right? And that we've already hit potential bottom. And then the housing market taking off, that'll drive the stock market up, that'll drive the trillions of dollars that's being tied up to go back into investing. BlackRock just gonna buy everything.

Starting point is 00:30:56 And then we're gonna be on a rocket ship again. Hey, you know, based on what you said. Yeah. Did you see the office vacancy in San Francisco speaking of BlackRock? Did you see what they're vacancy? No, what is it? Oh my I got to pull it up bro. I mean, you know they try to pass a mask says that they can't buy single-family homes

Starting point is 00:31:11 I saw that was that was on the dog. Oh, they're trying to they're trying to pass that to keep that from happening So I mean someone Well, look at this San Francisco for regulations, but that one makes sense Listen, San Francisco's office vacancy percentage. What do you guys guess that's that right now? Office vacancy. San Francisco office. So offices in San Francisco that are vacant. Nobody's renting them.

Starting point is 00:31:32 They're just sitting there because nobody wants them. Are you asking for the number? Yeah, what percentage? Oh, what percentage? No, not that high. 40% on it. No, no, no. It's going to be over 50.

Starting point is 00:31:40 I think it's like 60. 35% which is the highest ever recorded, by the way. Union Square, okay. By the way, Union Square is like, this was a great place to go shopping, busy, like prime, prime, prime real estate. No, it's a blessed, good place to get heroin. Pre-past, that's true.

Starting point is 00:31:57 That's true. I drove through there, it was turned into. I know. Crazy. Pre-pandemic, they were at 3% vacancy, and Union Square squares always like Never a spot because right now 18 per almost 20% in union square Vacant and so now what you're saying most all the retail stores. I like when I drove past had been well

Starting point is 00:32:17 Well, what you were what you were saying Justin was like I've heard that theory that that they're purposely Crashing yeah, these these properties so that these big corporations come in and hit you by a motherfucker. It just doesn't seem like it was an accident. I mean, it's too obvious. It's too deliberate, like how terrible everything is there. You know, like it's just how broken everything,

Starting point is 00:32:41 and how much crime is allowed. And like,'s just like it just doesn't add up to me dude and so yes your your your mind can kind of spin and start connecting dots that aren't there but at the same time it's just it's such like it's such a I guess for me like a bad I guess for me like a bad, it's just blatant handling of policy and like just completely in the opposite direction of like what's benefiting businesses, what's benefiting residents,

Starting point is 00:33:14 what's benefiting citizens for what? You know, like you just gotta ask those questions. Do you know what movie, this is the how good you guys are at trivia here? What movie that's the plot of, where corporations organize with governments to crash the property values, so that the corporations come in and buy them up.

Starting point is 00:33:35 What movies are? The movie in the 90s. It's, yeah, so you probably won't remember the plot because the movie was kinda cheesy, but it's also iconic. Robocop. Oh, it's Robocop. Robocop.

Starting point is 00:33:48 Oh, that happened in Robocop. Yeah, they're trying to crash the property values so they can go in and buy them up. And Robocop is, you know, he ends up fighting the crime. Oh, I didn't realize that. I mean, obviously when you're a kid and you're watching that, you're more, you know, you're paying attention with the robot. do the robot and the white scenes are not

Starting point is 00:34:16 Didn't they try and re-made did you ever watch the remake of it with what's his name calling? Farrell right or is it who was it? I don't remember the remake. They did do a remake. They did do a remake and I never watched it. I didn't think it got any. Well, I was, were you guys being Robocop? I like, I loved it when I was a kid.

Starting point is 00:34:34 I watched it a lot. I was so violent. So violent. It was terribly violent. Was it really? Oh my God, bro. If you watch it, it's so, I can't believe it. I haven't seen it in decades. Well, when did it come out? We got to see watch it it's so I can't believe it haven't seen it in decades

Starting point is 00:34:45 So I don't want when did it come out? We got to see when it came out because I watch it Ninjas gotta be the ninth right, but I think I was like 12 or a There's no way that movie was appropriate for a kid that like it It's so freaking violent. It's not even funny. Yeah, like he becomes robocop because they literally Shoot him up so bad that his body sure is like in the movie 1987 80s Listen to me I Bro I feel like I watched that movie when I was 10 or you I just say I Yeah, my parents now let me watch that

Starting point is 00:35:23 Oh I didn't realize that. I was standing there. I didn't realize that. That was terrible. Oh my God, dude. Oh my God. Speaking of robots and all that shit or whatever, did you hear about this cyber attack that was, they were trying to do, I guess, there was a huge cyber attack. Where was it targeted? Like, was it?

Starting point is 00:35:39 You know, I'm not quite sure. I know Rumble was down for a while. I see people tweeting about that or whatever, but it's like stirring up, I don't know if it's just the internet, right? But stirring up like these fears of big cyber attack and what that could potentially do. There's that movie that came out with Julia Roberts on, when I just leave the world behind. Yeah, I saw that.

Starting point is 00:36:00 I haven't watched that yet, but I've been hearing a lot of people tell me to watch. I haven't watched it, but apparently that's what it's about. It's a massive cyber attack. By the way, you know the producers of that movie? Don't you love these fear propaganda movies? Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, the producers of that. Interesting. No, it's really?

Starting point is 00:36:16 They are. No way. Yes, they are. And it's all about cyber attack. And there's a scene where I haven't seen the movie. I just saw the trailer, okay? Everybody. So it's based off the trailer. But it's like a bunch of testless that are just self-driving and crashing. I have to like dodge testless. So I'm like, why would they?

Starting point is 00:36:31 You know, I heard who's your guy? You like a lot. Rick Rubin talking on somebody's podcasts about the the lost like artistry in in movie and music creation. And the way he defined it was that we've gone away from artists selfishly creating as if they were writing in their own diary or journal for themselves. And we're there. But they honestly authentically love. Yes.

Starting point is 00:36:58 And then they're creating the art as an expression of their love, right? Yes. It is opposed to creating things for other people in mind, for audiences in mind, for yeah. And that's literally what all movies, all books, all content on social media is all geared. I totally felt he was so spot on with that.

Starting point is 00:37:18 Like it makes a lot of sense. I said like that's a way you would describe, like music and movies and television today, is it's lost this artistry and if someone goes, well, what do you mean by that? There's art and all that. No, it's that the way art was done was an artist puts out something that they love themselves and they're not, they're doing it for themselves.

Starting point is 00:37:38 It's basically sharing you a part of their journal or their diary, right? Like, this is what I'm passionate about. This is why I love it. And then if it goes somewhere, it goes somewhere. If it doesn't, it doesn't matter because it was. Listen, I 100% agree. Here's your evidence right here. Watch any famous rocker or musician from the 60s and 70s and tell me that they would,

Starting point is 00:37:59 they would never make it today with YouTube and shit like that. You look at the Ramones or look at it. Look at Janice Joplin. Like, that's just pure art and there's no way they would have made it with YouTube because they weren't good looking. They looked and acted weird on stage because they were awkward. It was all about their just what was coming out and they became known because of the music. It's the way they look. You know, I don't know. I feel like it's a double-edged sword because there's the other examples of someone like an artist, like for example,

Starting point is 00:38:27 like Teddy Swims, who I've shared before, that I really like. And, you know, if it wasn't for things like YouTube, that artist would have been like, he didn't go sign with a big label. You're right. And they get no like that. You're right.

Starting point is 00:38:39 And he was putting that out, just putting it out on social media. No, you're right. And then because it was so good and powerful, it got shared and then he became, so there's like, I don't know, there's good and bad to it, right? No, no, that's a hundred. It's very bad.

Starting point is 00:38:51 That Oliver guy, the last one. Oliver, what's his name? Oh yeah. Yeah, the one I forgot. The fulx singer guy. Yeah, so I mean, there's an example right there, right? If someone just putting out something that's, and he's in the, his what backyard playing with no production.

Starting point is 00:39:04 I guess you're, yeah, you're right. It's, yeah, that's, that's a very balanced thing. That his what backyard playing with no no production. I guess you're yeah you're right. That's that's a very balanced. That's why it sticks out some stuff to your point is like and I think people are starving for it and when you do see it it's like whoa it's you remember like how you just not seen that anywhere and like how like it just really pierces through because it's coming It's exuding. There's always the artist. It's always gonna be processed food, right? It's like it's like processed food hyper palatable hits your senses irresistible, but is it like a Gorma meal? No, but what gets what gets purchased the most? Yeah, to your point, you know

Starting point is 00:39:42 There's that it's a process food of's that it's harder to find that stuff because we're so inundated with the stuff that has been manufactured to get our attention. So because it's been manufactured our attention, sometimes it's hard to see or we're back in the days, you had to seek out all that stuff. I mean, I remember always like scouring and looking for like what's, you know, who's the latest, whatever, and listening to all their stuff, and then being like, oh man, I'm the first one on this, and then sharing it to your buddies.

Starting point is 00:40:10 That's how it used to go down, you know? Yeah, I finally watched, and I know the forum kind of posted. We talked about Christmas movies, not too long ago, and the post of one it was called, eight-bit Christmas. Oh, yeah, is it good? So I watched it.

Starting point is 00:40:22 Yeah, I shared that last year with you guys. You did? That's the Nintendo one I shared with you guys last year. I told you guys to watch that. I remember. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a year or two old. It was good.

Starting point is 00:40:30 It was good. Yeah, I was good. I know. I know. Like, oh, it's funny. The first time I heard of this, it's so bad. I remember it when I was posting the forum.

Starting point is 00:40:39 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, I watched it with the kids. It was a good one. It's like a family good one to bring with the kids to watch. Because it's like, it's our genre. Yeah, it, I watch it with the kids. It's a good one. It's like a family good one to bring with the kids to watch because it's like, it's our genre. Yeah, it's our generation. It's, it's all our minds,

Starting point is 00:40:48 even like their interactions on the playground and everything, like dude, you remember, I remember like there was always a kid that was like held back that was like huge. No, yeah, total dickhead, really. There was always that kid. I don't know if that kid exists anymore. You know, like people just have to hold them back. I don't know if that kid exists anymore. You know, like people just have to hold them back.

Starting point is 00:41:05 I don't know if they do that anymore. When I was going to school, that was an actual strategy by parents that were really like wanting their kids to be great in sports. So I was friends with a kid who was like, super smart first class and he was, and it was like, why did you get held back? And he's like, no, my parents wanted me to be more physically mature at a younger age.

Starting point is 00:41:28 And so it is now he was he like he dominated him in basketball because he was like two grades behind when he should have been in and he was Killing it and all his classes and so I was like there was no reason for him to be hell back other than his parents Wanted me to be held back other than his parents wanted me to be identified. Well, yeah, that's before all that. Yeah, before that. Listen, I went to high school. You see, there's sophomore junior and there was a dude in my class or whatever my year.

Starting point is 00:41:57 He was 18 or 19. I mean, he looked like a grown man because he went to jail for two years. Went to Juve for two years came back and I remember like, I mean, because you went to jail for two years. Yeah. Went to Juve for two years, came back. And I remember like, I mean, when you're 16, you know, or 15, an 18 year old is like, there's a big ass difference. Yeah. So he's like, hanging out with us and like, look at this guy, like holy shit bro.

Starting point is 00:42:18 Yeah, six older brother are you? Yeah, there's this guy had a beard, you know? And like, he was like, uh, the gang and everything. He just, I don't know why he was there, but it's like, you know. And like he was like, the gang and everything. He's just, I don't know why he was there, but it's like, I think it was some group home thing. They're like, you know, and so he, he was there and like we were kind of, he was kind of in our friend's circle,

Starting point is 00:42:34 but we were always just like, man, this guy, and he was always getting in trouble. And, and. You know, playgrounds were very different back. It was rough. Back in the day, playgrounds, there wasn't a lot of parents. I played, it just wasn't. When I was a kid, when our parents would less play

Starting point is 00:42:49 at the playground, they would let us play and the parents would go off. And it was just the kids. And we would just, we'd organize our own governments. Basically, our own life. This is the flies. A lot more so. Oh yeah, now parents are like on top shit.

Starting point is 00:43:02 But like literally, I tell this to my older kids, they don't believe me. Like when I was a kid, 11 years old, 10, 11, and a playground, you get in a fist fight, like you fight until the fights over. Like nobody's breaking you up. You're just gonna fight. And it's gonna keep going.

Starting point is 00:43:18 Now it's like, hey Tommy pulls a shirt, boom. Parents are on the top and right away. So like, what do you mean? Then they film it. Yeah, they're like, what do you mean? You would just fight, like, what would happen? Like, somebody would win. I'm like, you know, we get tired.

Starting point is 00:43:28 We give up. That's, you get tired. That's what happens. Yeah, yeah, I could, I could, I could, I could just look at a call a few fights where we were both, both of us who were done just like are holding. Oh, yeah. The fatigue is just exhausting.

Starting point is 00:43:38 Yeah, you're in a position, nobody's doing anything. No, I didn't think it's gonna happen. You want to stop, if I make a gun, you hit me. When you're younger, you don't have the power to knock somebody out. You'll say, I think I punched a guy 30 some times. And at the end of the fight, we're just gonna make sure, you don't be laying on top of him. There's laying there, that's breathing,

Starting point is 00:43:54 I'm just like, it's just, and then there's always, and then later it's always about who won. I would know you hit me, I hit you more. I would. You're like, I have to turn this time. Hey, you know, Dr. Khan broke the seal already, right? Talk about what you did.

Starting point is 00:44:06 Yeah, I shared my video. And so I wanted to, it was made as well, update and keep the audience on what's going on with us. I wanted to ask you guys what's, I know it's early, but are anything different with your diet that you're allowing or you're able to eat or how you feel? Are you, I know he told us it would be, it's early. Yeah, I know. So what here's what we got we got stem cell infusion. So through the whole body

Starting point is 00:44:32 fallestatin peptide which was put in a matrix that means you do one injection and then the fallestatin is active for a year, two year and a half typically fallestatin uh, you'd have to inject multiple times a day, two year and a half. Typically, fall, stanton, you'd have to inject it. That's how long. Multiple times a day, right? So here's, okay, so let's back up for a second. So stem cells, these are blank stem cells, they go to wherever your body apparently needs them, inflammation, pain, regeneration, whatever,

Starting point is 00:44:57 and it's like the ultimate anti-aging therapy they would say, okay. Fall a stanton, when that goes up, myostatin goes down. Myostatin, you might have heard us talk about in the podcast where... It's the inhibitor. Of muscle growth.

Starting point is 00:45:12 So they'll take animals and they'll knock out myostatin and then there's like a picture of a whip-it, which is a whip-it's a skinny little dog. Yoke, just, right? So now fallestatin's not gonna make us do that, but... That'd be awesome. But according to anecdotes and some studies,

Starting point is 00:45:28 probably experience a 10 to 15 to 20% increase in strength, which is a lot, especially been working out for a long time. So those are the things that we got, and then Adam also, you got some stencils put injected directly into your psoriasis, plaques, and so for autoimmune issues in particular, it's supposed to be pretty awesome stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:48 So it's too early for me to say if I notice anything, I think I might have a little bit more energy, but I can't necessarily tell. So we all went in with different sort of hopes, I guess, and for me, I was doing the Cabral protocol for SIBO and for a lot of stuff going off my gut treatment. And so I was basically up and done to that point and now we're doing the stem cell infusion so now I'm hoping that that way.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Are you taking, are you on dairy, are you eating way, I say drinking a legion protein? Yeah. So I just started bringing it back not like in full force, but I definitely have had like bits of cheese, of like, but it would just be like one thing a day or like every other day. So you've had the way protein. So I had the way protein. Again, before that, like it didn't really like affect my gut too much, even when before

Starting point is 00:46:43 any treatments or anything. And I think it was because enzymes, like there was additional, I don't know, it was more receptive, like I could easily like assimilate it. So I have a question about that itself for you, just as a perfect example of this. So if you had, previously you had like a dairy intolerance and you've now potentially saw that,

Starting point is 00:47:06 I almost feel like the opposite advice would be true in this situation. Meaning we tend to always tell people, oh, go whole foods. Whole foods is the best way to go. But something that is easily digestible, would that be of smarter strategy when you're trying to introduce something like dairy

Starting point is 00:47:23 for the first time? So instead of him going out and having a block of cheese, having a easy, digestible way shake. Yeah, the answer to that is kind of complicated. So first off, you can have an intolerance to casing, which is a type of protein found in dairy. You can have an intolerance to whey, which is another type of protein in dairy, or you can have an issue with the lactose that's in dairy,

Starting point is 00:47:45 or the fats that are in dairy, or all of them. So the benefit of going with the pure weight, and by the way, of all of those, let's just stick the proteins of the ones you're most likely to be intolerant to, because proteins tend to be the most active. Casing people tend to have an issue with more often than way. So oftentimes someone will get their test back And it'll say oh casing is high, but way is low so you can still have way the value of a shake is that like So legions way isolate there is nothing else in there. So he he can he knows if he knows that way is okay

Starting point is 00:48:21 He could just do way and not have anything else in control Okay, oh, I think you can have cheese, which has way casing the fat. Okay. So then it does kind of make sense for like teasing it out or trying to figure it out, like it'll be a quick like, okay, yeah, this is okay or it's not. So far, I mean, it's only been a few days. Like, the reaction has been non-existent. So I'm happy. You missed it yesterday, but I did say something to Sal. And you know me, right?

Starting point is 00:48:48 I'm the one who teases this guy, right? I'm being like, Adam feels nothing. He's always the guy that feels nothing. Yeah. Sal's got it feels everything. Yeah, he feels immediately. You feel nothing.

Starting point is 00:48:56 I'm like somewhere in the middle. But I had this really interesting thing that happened. So first of all, I've been really inconsistent with my training. So I'm like super weak right now. And I expect that, right? And I didn't go in there and go lift, and I wasn't like abnormally super strong.

Starting point is 00:49:08 But what I did notice is, you know, when I do incline bench, one, first of all, I tend to always prime really well before I get into it, so I can get into the movement really good. I've never been good at leg drive, right? That was, in fact, I didn't even start to practice leg drive with my bench press until you and I got reconnected later on with lifting and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:49:27 And you would constantly preach to me that. It's a power of things, fellow men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was totally guilty of relaxing my legs or doing, you doing stupids, whatever. So I've never, and even to this day of planting my feet, I never feel like I'm getting the benefit of it. Like I'm like connecting to the ground, well, and driving. I just do it, but I don't feel like I've ever, benefit of it. Like I'm like connecting into the ground really well in driving.

Starting point is 00:49:46 I just do it, but I don't feel like I've ever, yesterday when I did incline bench for the first time, I actually felt this like true connection from my feet all the way through. And I actually, You know what it came in halfway through his workout? Tell me that. Yeah, yeah, which is not Adam.

Starting point is 00:49:59 How trippy. And the only, and the reason why I bring that up is because I did over here, Dr. Khan, say that one of the things that we will feel is an improved neural drive. That's from the false that false that yeah, from that increases in neural drive. Yeah. And to me, that was the first example of that I being able to translate that into my workout or say that like, oh, I did feel something. How has your story? I just been. Have you noticed anything yet?

Starting point is 00:50:25 Cause I, it's supposed to take like six to eight days. Yeah, no, it's, it's, again, I'm, I'm reserving my excitement because I don't want to get overly excited about something and then it did not pan out, but it's getting better every day. Every day, it's getting better. That's wild. Yeah. It figures your sororiously. And I don't think I've ever gone

Starting point is 00:50:46 48 hours and not had even a desire to itch and pick at it. Yeah, and She said that I would scab over because I you know, she shot me 50 times in every spot and so you know Basically, you're gonna have yeah, you're gonna heal and have a little bit of a scouting hole. And so I do see a little bit of that, right? Because the initial I saw initial difference right away. And then, but I mean, it it seems to be weird. Yeah. So now we also have to say that this is these are not inexpensive treatments. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:18 At all. No, this is super expensive. Super ridiculous. But here's the thing though, I remember talking to Dr. Khan and him offering to do this for me and so like that is like, you know, we as a solid and a favor to me. And I and I knew the expense of what it would cost. Now anybody who's who's been riddled with this,

Starting point is 00:51:38 like I have and you've exhausted so many different possibilities, right? And I love I don't have you guys watching my, my post on Instagram. Yeah. So hilarious. Like I want to be like, did you try the possibilities, right? And I love, I don't know, have you guys watching my post on Instagram? Yeah. So hilarious. Like, I want to people like, did you try the Carnivore Doi? Have you tried this?

Starting point is 00:51:50 Yeah, there's a post where I write, and they're like, and I say it in the video. I haven't told you that. I've tried every diet that you can think of, which I avoid in gluten. Yeah, I know. It says that there's tons of these that are saying, oh, no way, right?

Starting point is 00:52:03 And so, yes, I've done it all. I've done the tanning beds. I've done the infrared. I've done the steroids. I've done the creams. I've done the pills. I've done the every every time I die from carnivore to vegan to paleo to avoid just gluten to avoiding the seed oil.

Starting point is 00:52:18 So only I haven't got it. It's like Justin piss on me. So I'm not ready to go. Hey, great transition to the poofing. I haven't got his let Justin piss on me. He's the one that I haven't done. I'm not ready to go. He's done. He's done. Hey, great transition. Doug, to the boofing. Oh, great. Yeah, to the boofing.

Starting point is 00:52:31 So glad you're going there. Yes. He was so happy. He thought we were almost. He thought we were going to, I would have missed it. No, I can't miss this because it was sent to me as a new fitness trend that's happening right now, which is shoving caffeine popsicles up your butt. What?

Starting point is 00:52:45 Wait a minute. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:52:53 Yes. Okay. So you know what this feels like? Supposing it is working really well. Yeah. Of course. You absorb shit through your body. Listen.

Starting point is 00:53:01 Okay. Everybody shot to your bloodstream. And the fitness industry is calm to fuck down. This is not smart, you guys. Caffeine is perfectly. I really wanted me to avoid this conversation, but I just think it's too good to talk to you. This is what, so this is like,

Starting point is 00:53:15 if you had to say, hey, can you just say one thing that illustrates what's wrong with that health industry? This would be perfect. First of all, caffeine is perfectly efficacious orally. There's no fucking problem with the sorbic caffeine. Orally. Why do our peers immediately want to go

Starting point is 00:53:31 to something up your ass? I feel like, you know? It almost feels like they're singing around talking to each other and they're like, bro, either A, how can I be so weird and different? Or B, you know like I want to excuse the puts up my butt. That's all it is.

Starting point is 00:53:48 That's all it is. Andrew you find out there on the course on it in your I found I found it in a Reddit thread. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that's where you some basically it's kind of funny how this came up. So the guy originally was just wanting to know if the caffeine efficacy still works if he freezes his monster into a popsicle. And the reddit thread is revolting too.

Starting point is 00:54:09 You have more of a biobeer ability. That's real monster. You know, I'm happy that you had Andrew look that up. We're going to mess his search engine up. Yeah. He starts typing it already autopop. Wait a minute, Doug. Wait a minute, Doug.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Okay, so now it sounds more like... So that's how it started autopop. Wait a minute. Yeah. Wait a minute, jerk. Okay. So now it sounds more like. So that's how it started. I've actually I read this. Okay. So maybe it's not the fitness space. Maybe it's literally, you guys have a friend like this in your group circle when you're

Starting point is 00:54:35 a kid, it's just like, we'll do any weird thing like broken, that cricket. No, all snorkeling. Well, like what Ganger's saying, the person who posted originally was just asking if the caffeine would still... Of course. Yeah. You got to be like, listen, if you are attempting to do anything stupid like that, understand that the absorption process, especially with alcohol, for example, you can kill yourself. Well, you remember the example from the guy's, uh, Jackass did that. He took a beer bong and rectally. Yeah, you remember that? Listen, Jackass, two, one or two.

Starting point is 00:55:09 Yeah. They called it the butt chug, I believe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it made him like puke. I mean, it hit him so hard. Oh, yeah, dangerous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I can't remember what someone said,

Starting point is 00:55:20 like the amount more you absorb by going that way than the other end. It's like, it's exponentially higher. So yeah, I'm 25 milligrams of caffeine, rectally, is probably like 175 or 200. I don't know. Orally. I mean, you put a pair of, like, inside from the inside of the, and I didn't, by the way, I learned a new boof. I didn't know boof was a thing. So boof is keyster, basically. Yeah, I think so. I think, I think so like people are using it correctly. So people in prison sneak things in by boof is keyster, basically. Yeah, I think so. I think so. It's like people are using it correctly. Some people are in prison, sneak things in by boofing them.

Starting point is 00:55:47 By boofing. Yeah, I don't know where, I don't know the origin of that. But you know what, I sort of remember that. Pull out the boofing part and popsicles, it hurts you to drink popsicles,

Starting point is 00:55:57 sound kind of good in the summertime. Great. Great. Just make sure you're friend and boof it. No? Am I the only one? Make sure the rapper is sealed properly. Am I the only one? Make sure the rapper is. Am I the only one?

Starting point is 00:56:06 So it's so little properly. Yeah. Huh? No, that's what you also do. No one else would do an energy popschool in the summer. I mean, I sure. I'm going to be done it with like alcoholic drinks. You know why they wouldn't do that?

Starting point is 00:56:16 I don't mind it as well. Why? Because it's too attractive to children. So it would be dangerous. Why they wouldn't sell it, you mean? Yeah. Oh, of course. Imagine having caffeine popsicles in your fridge. Yeah, but they do otter pops, but they're like alcohol.

Starting point is 00:56:29 They are, but can you buy them? Yeah, of course. You can buy them in Costco. But do they put them in, are they easy to open or they have special? What the fuck does that matter? It's so easy. Because the lawsuit, you go buy some vodka otter pops

Starting point is 00:56:41 that are easy to open, your kid gets them, eat some, die. It's to find easy. That's what I mean. Pericizzers. Maybe, I don't know, because you know how, when you buy cannabis in California, how all the containers for the head of holes are all like child proofs?

Starting point is 00:56:53 Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm wondering if they do that for the alcohol. Yeah, I don't think that's the best. I really don't think a lot of people have a lot of morals. I don't really think they give a shit. So it's like, if I went walked in on somebody boofing a popsicle Yeah, that would be so confused. You know what I mean? I'd be so first they're signing it then they're booping it and then

Starting point is 00:57:13 What's the other one they used to do where they do like a coffee that one at least has some origins some historical origins It's still here coffee. Itema has historical origins. Yep. Really? What was it used for? Was it to clean out your system? Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:32 The caffeine hits you, it cleans out your system. Coffee, I made Google coffee, Enema origins, Doug, or maybe Andrew? Yeah, Andrew, go ahead. Yeah. But while he's doing that real quick, while he's doing that real quick, I wanna talk about a message that we got from somebody who went and worked with one of our partners, NutriSense. So for people who don't know NutriSense,

Starting point is 00:57:52 you work with people, dieticians, on your diet, but they also work with a continual glucose monitor. So they can individualize your diet based on how your body responds to food, different foods, and everybody's a little different. But the coaching is what's so important, so that's the message. The message I got was, you were totally right. The coaching made all the difference in the world because I can contact this person.

Starting point is 00:58:13 They let me know. They talked to me. And by reading my, you know, what the message said was, by reading my, my, you know, glucose levels and stuff, I've been able to individualize my diet and I feel way better than I've ever felt. But the coaching made the biggest difference. That's the biggest value of that 100%. Imagine your glucose spike if you actually boof stuff. You know, it's gonna be way more.

Starting point is 00:58:36 It's gonna spike your boof. Hey, hold on. That's so mad, right? A coffee animat is one of the ancient medical procedures still in use today for detoxification since Dr. Max Gerson introduced it for the purpose of cancer therapy in the 1930s. Cancer therapy.

Starting point is 00:58:53 Wait a minute. Interesting. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. What if it did? What if the big pharma is trying to hide this from us? Just to be... Maybe this is the secret.

Starting point is 00:59:02 That is. That's the cure. Interesting. I know. I know. Oh is, that's the cure. Interesting. I know, I know, I switch it to the next. Shut things. Oh, there's been around for a while. Yeah, well, oh, 1930s. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:11 All right, do we have a shout out for everybody? I do. Do you read it down, Doug? I did. Your book, The New Gold Standard. Oh, yeah, The New Gold Standard, which is the rich one. The author is, let me see the author really quick. It's really been, what's the word I wanna use?

Starting point is 00:59:26 It's been spurring a lot of ideas. It has, and I mean, there's things that, I was texting you this morning, right? That I feel like we can be much better on. And I just think Joseph Michele, really, really good. And it really, really cool to, I mean, for a brand to grow that big

Starting point is 00:59:47 and have started, you know, as early the 1900s and to remain consistent with that, like the, imagine the, the buy-in and consistency that you have to have. I mean, like one hotel could, could easily have 600 employees and you have over a hundred of that. So, you know, 60,000 employees. But like, have you ever been, like, have you ever been to a ritz where they don't embody that? I just think it's so cool.

Starting point is 01:00:10 And as I'm reading it, what spurred all this was actually when we just got back from there, right? And I'm like, this is so impressive. Whenever I go to one of these, it's like this. And as I'm reading the book, now I'm going like, okay.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Now it makes sense. It's like they literally, like this is like a code that they all totally live by. And they're the things that they did for us, right? Like so the, the baths that you guys got drawn or like that's not like someone saying, like you need to go do this. That's just like they've empowered them to,

Starting point is 01:00:36 and there's one of the, you know, you know, one of their, what you can call it. Yeah, credos, thank you, so, that they believe or live by is like for them to try and find things that even the customer wouldn't expect they want it. And to try and deliver on that, right? It's like, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:55 so they can come up, so like, example, they could show you like in the mornings, hey, sir, we know you like coffee, but we froze it for you. Thank you. In the popsicle form. We heard, we heard from your podcast. Oh it for you. That pops cool form. We heard from your podcast. Oh, here you have a two like this.

Starting point is 01:01:09 Hey, if they didn't really do that, even though I wouldn't do it, I would be like, whoa, that's impressive right now. You did your homework right there. You don't say it right here, if you didn't do that. Imagine how much that would blow your mind. Like, you would be like, I would actually almost consider it. You don't say, be rude for me not to.

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Starting point is 01:02:15 All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Laurie from Texas. Hi Laurie. How can we help you? Hi guys. Hi Laurie. Hi. I am so excited to be here. I just want to say thanks for putting out

Starting point is 01:02:28 the message to women how important straight training is just for a good quality of life. And I think you're awesome. You have lots of fans, clubs out there. I have a girls' band club that love you and shout out to my girls. So I just I listened to all the podcast. I'm a little bit behind only because of work that I'll get caught up this weekend. Right on. Thank you. What can we do for you? Well, I emailed you twice. It's like you didn't get it the first time. But I guess here's I'll tell you a little bit about myself

Starting point is 01:03:06 and then I'll read my email. So I've been lifting for about 11 years. I started out as a runner just running for my mental health. And then one of my friends introduced me to lifting weights and I fell in love with that. My starting weight was about 97, 98 pounds. I was very underweight. I had to overcome all of that. So I have tracked macros over the period of 11 years. And I have put on to this point, I think it looks about 25 pounds.

Starting point is 01:03:47 put on to this point. I think it looks about 25 pounds. Wow. That's just through eating, nutrition, tracking, lifting weights, cutting mic on cardio, all of that. I have done a lot of programs. You all have shifted my mindset from women's specific training into it just, it's based on the individual. it's based on the individual. So I've done a lot of your programs. I've done a static, strong, I did a static twice actually, strong, own, antibiotic advance, and I most recently finished split, which I left. So here's what I add my question that I asked you. Basically, I said I've been lifting weights for a long time. I'm 47 years old. My focus at this point is mobility, but also building muscle because I've listened,

Starting point is 01:04:38 I've listened to you have many people on here talk about how important it is for women to have muscle as you age. So, I really want to build muscle. I am not currently tracking my macros, only because my work is pretty frantic. I'm very busy. I try to make sure I have enough protein with breakfast, lunch, dinner, and my snacks. When I was tracking, I was always at about 140 grams

Starting point is 01:05:08 of protein a day. It's really never been a problem. I guess finishing up split, I guess my question is, what can I do at this point to continue to build muscle? Because I know my strength gains have gone up, but I don't feel like I've really put on muscle without having it evaluated with in body scan or anything like that. Okay, very good question. So all right, let's go through the program

Starting point is 01:05:39 sequence. You finished split before that. You did strong rant or aesthetic? you finished split before that, you did strong rant or aesthetic? Esthetic was first. So aesthetic then you did aesthetic twice strong and then split, correct? Yes. Okay, so you're gonna need to drop volume if you want to get your body to start responding in the way that you want because all the programs that you listed are great, but they're all very high volume programs. And when you've been training for a long time, well two things, one, you can't perpetually build muscles. So at some point, the progress,

Starting point is 01:06:13 no matter what, it's gonna slow down quite a bit. And then it becomes a lot about working on other aspects of performance, improving mobility, maybe working on agility, control, maybe working on stamina. So, maybe working on stamina. So that'll happen as well. However, the other side of this is, we know about progressive resistance or progressive volume,

Starting point is 01:06:33 you gotta keep adding more to get your body to continue to respond, but there's a point when that stops working and when you need to actually take a step back to get your body to respond again. And what typically happens with people in this situation, all things being equal, let's say you have good diet, good sleep, there's no other factors, is you're going to take a step back in volume and start to see progress or you'll take a step back in volume, see no change in progress, but then step to the volume back up and then you

Starting point is 01:07:00 see the progress again. Okay, but it's based off of what you're telling me, it's pretty clear that a drop in volume is probably what's needed. Maps and a ballad advance would not be the program, would be maps and a ballad, or maps performance. Or maps performance, or even maps 15 with the advanced version. All of those would be quite appropriate for you for about a 90-day period.

Starting point is 01:07:23 Now within that 90-day period, you won for about a 90 day period. Now within that 90 day period, you won't notice a drop in anything. You probably or likely, I would bet money will see yourself get stronger and build little muscle. Or option three is you just start to feel better, then you ramp things up again and then boom, you start to see results again. But it's pretty clear, again, based on what you said, that we need to drop the volume down and do kind of those basics and stay there for a little bit. I love performance because one, I think it's going to be a novel stimulus for it is going to reduce the volume a little bit and it's going to address the mobility concern. So it kind of hits everything that you would want.

Starting point is 01:07:59 I do think that even a little less volume like map 15 15 would be potentially ideal, but also want to be able to address the mobility concern that she has. And so I feel like that would be the, that would do it all. Yeah. It's two, two birds one stone with that because to like, you want to keep building muscle, like you got to consider these different planes of motion that also, if you're not expressing and moving in that direction, you're not going to be expressing the muscle the same way. And so to, there might be in range,. And so, too, there might be end range potential there,

Starting point is 01:08:27 there might be other parts that you're going to be able to build and develop muscles in a way that you wouldn't, otherwise, if you're just strictly doing a lot of like, sagittal plane movement. Yeah, and look, just to give you just some personal experience, Lord, now consider the source, right? I don't typically miss days. I'm very, very consistent to the point where it can be neurotic. Okay, so that's the context here. And I do tend

Starting point is 01:08:52 to move towards more than is necessary for my body. The best strength and muscle gains I ever get is when I drop the volume. It's like clockwork with me, I'll reach a certain point where it becomes quite obvious that I might be doing two sheets of recovery issue. And I'll bring things down and then next thing I know, wow, my body, I mean, the last time I hit a PR and my deadlift was at 43 years old and it was because I dropped the volume down, I went back down, I went down to MAP 15,

Starting point is 01:09:23 style training and all of a sudden I hit a PR that I broke a previous PR I went down to Maps 15, style training. And all of a sudden, I hit a PR that I broke a previous PR, I did in my early 30s. So, so that's and that's that's the context. So if that's youth, that sounds like you, then the drop down, the drop down is going to be what you need. And you'll know, once you get into it, you'll start to feel like, wow, I feel good. I have one. We've already expressed a busy your work is right now, right? And like all this added bit of excess stress that you're bringing in throughout the week. So, you know, that all that all factors in. So if you, you know,

Starting point is 01:09:52 if you realize that too, you kind of reduce your volume and you see progress with that, that was the answer all along. Yeah. So I think mass performance would be ideal for you, Laurie. How does that sound? What we're saying? Is it, is it resonating with you? Yeah, I was afraid that's what you were going to say. I just needed someone to tell me that, I guess. I love going to the gym. It starts my day. I go in the mornings before work. I have to be at work at seven. And so I get up at four. I do go to bed early though. So just start my day.

Starting point is 01:10:25 So it may be that I just go and do some mobility or walk or something like that. Well, that's what's great about that program is still go to the gym five days a week. Go to the gym five days a week, three of those days will be foundational lifting days, which it's all program. And then the other two, we have mobility sessions written for you. So and I'm totally for you getting on the treadmill or liptical and doing that for 30 minutes

Starting point is 01:10:48 of low intensity with some mobility. So you go spend an hour still, if you like, I like when I have clients that have a routine where they go to the gym already, and I don't like to disrupt that, right? You've created those good habits. I think that's good, you keep doing that. We just switched what the focus is now.

Starting point is 01:11:03 So instead of it always being a full hour of lifting weights, now you're doing something more where three of the days are like that. And then two of the days, you're intensity. Yeah, two of the days, you do some mobility stretching and maybe some elliptical or walking on the treadmill type of work. What was the fear? Why did you fear we would say this? Like what's the worry?

Starting point is 01:11:23 I just thought you would tell me to cut back on my training, because I knew that was probably what I needed to do. But why the fear behind that? What's the worry or what is it that feels to you? And I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but it's important to identify what it is. Like, why is it that I don't want to cut the volume down? Like what's the, it's obviously has nothing to do with results because we're telling you you'll get better results

Starting point is 01:11:48 with less volume, which will happen. So it's gotta be. Yeah, I believe you. I believe you. Yeah, so what is it? What is it for you? I think it was just, that's just, I'm consistent, I go every day, it's just my routine.

Starting point is 01:12:00 But I think as long as I'm doing something, whether it's walking or mobility, I think I'm good. You got it. And I also put in my email, I asked about possibly doing power lift at some time. Do you think that would be okay like after I go through performance? Yeah, I love that.

Starting point is 01:12:20 That would be awesome. I love that. You would love that. That'd be a great follow-up. And it'd be really cool Because hopefully the way this goes is that we reduce some of the volume I go into performance You see strength gains from that alone from doing that and you now addressing mobility You see the carry over and the benefits of that when you go into power lift. So you'll hit PR's and power left

Starting point is 01:12:40 Yeah, follow this. Yeah, I love that Okay, that sounds good. Yeah. I love seeing the string games. And I definitely have that. I just, it's just the muscle. Do you, do you have either one of those programs? 15 maps, sorry, mass performance or maps power lift? I do not. Those are the two I don't have. We'll send you performance. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:13:02 You got it. Thanks for calling in and tell your, your friends. Thank you so much for the support. Oh, I sure will. Thank you. So thank you so much. You got it. Thanks for calling in and tell your friends. Thank you so much for the support. Oh, I sure will. Thank you so much. So much. Thank you. All right. All right.

Starting point is 01:13:12 We got a fan club. A fun. Some Texas women. Yeah. Women that like to podcast, that's awesome. Cool. That's great. It's so cool to, she doesn't sound like a female

Starting point is 01:13:24 that would gravitate towards a program like power of it. I think it's so cool that you're seeing this, this trend. So awesome. Right? Like this mom, sweet kind of South Boakin, like was in a running most of life and is like interested and curious. And getting strong. Yeah. I think it's such a, once you feel like, once a woman feels what it feels like and sees what it looks like from a healthy point of view, then they're like,

Starting point is 01:13:51 it's like you pulled the wool off the rise and like, oh my God, like this is amazing. This feels so much better. It's just way different than what I was doing before. Now I can see why people talk about it the way they do. This is amazing. And I think that they're, they're the fear of like what having to, and I'm all for like not breaking that routine, right?

Starting point is 01:14:11 I think there's something to say about. You can still go. Yeah, you should. I actually think you should. Sometimes what happens when someone disrupts that, then they lose that consistency, and now they're even more inconsistent or what that. So I love the idea of still going there.

Starting point is 01:14:26 Just you just shift your focus on other things that your body needs attention. And I think she's going to see incredible benefits. Our next color is a dolphin from Arizona. Dauphal, what's happening? How can we help you? How's it going, guys? Man. Hey, so I appreciate the time.

Starting point is 01:14:47 I promise, even though you guys are the Beatles of podcasts. I'm not gonna faint Hold on keeping out. I'm totally John Lennon. Yeah, Adams Ringo Well, I appreciate it. No, I'll jump right into my question. Pretty recent to discover in mind clump a little less than a year I've been to a lot of your shows. Lifelong struggling with weight. Am I heaviest? That was 362. Currently fluctuating as of now about 206. I've been there around the last couple weeks since I started in the Bolic. But I can blow it pretty fast. I've been tracking my food for only about four weeks now, trying to hover around 1900 calories, but delta of about 200 calories,

Starting point is 01:15:27 so sometimes 2100. My other half who is kind of unfair, she has a great metabolism and she sabotages my diet quite frequently. But right now I'm around 26 to 27% body fat. My goal would be to be sub 20s while maintaining or gaining strength. Currently, my protein intake is around 190 to 195 grams, but I get a lot of that through shakes. About 100 to 150 grams, depending on how my day goes. 6.1, 39 years old. Like I said, I just picked up anabolic, I come on week two, phase one.

Starting point is 01:16:06 I currently take creatine, ZMA, pre-workout, and a multivitamin, not all at once, obviously. My goals are somewhat selfish, because I wanna have more energy for my kids, five and six years old, my five year old, you might see your one read around here, but I wanna look good while doing it, wanna be able to take off my shirt,

Starting point is 01:16:24 not feel like I still weigh three and 62 pounds. But what can I really cut my calories to safely to kind of achieve those goals? And then more importantly, my biggest question is what are the negative effects of getting as much protein from shakes as I do? I've listened to so many of your podcasts and I hear you guys say I should get a lot of it from natural foods Unfortunately with how much I'm out of the house. I don't know or I can't really Pre-pack a lot of my foods. I just get it through my protein shakes So what are you know, what is the best way to? Well actually more importantly what is the best way to keep my focus on that and not deter from the end results

Starting point is 01:17:05 Yeah, we need a we need a bulk first. Yeah. 1900 calories for your size, unless you just sit on the couch all day and don't move, is really, really low. Yeah. Okay. You know, I'll say this with a little. There's something here that seems a bit glaring to me.

Starting point is 01:17:21 You know, you asked about the protein shakes. Okay. So without getting into the whole, like, you know, shakes are processed and how much worse or better are they? Then regular food, et cetera, et cetera. We could go down that path, it'll be a long discussion. There'll be a lot of like other studies

Starting point is 01:17:36 while we're not really blah, blah, blah. One thing's for sure, a protein shake is not gonna produce the same satiety effects as whole foods. So 100 grams of protein from a protein shake will provide a fraction of the appetite, controlling, satisfying effects that 100 grams of protein from whole foods will provide. And the reason why I'm telling you that

Starting point is 01:18:01 is because you said you blow up quite easily, you've been heavy before, that makes me believe that you can struggle with keeping your calories where they're at and sometimes you go off and it makes a difficult type of deal. So I think what the best things you can do is really make an effort to get your protein from whole natural foods. It'll feel completely different. It'll feel very different. 1900 calories were half of the protein comes from shakes

Starting point is 01:18:27 versus 1900 calories, where all of the protein comes from whole foods, is gonna feel like you're eating another 700 calories in your diet. You're gonna feel much more satiated. So that's the first place that I would start. Now, to what Adam's saying, look, you have two options. Either you cut your calories now,

Starting point is 01:18:44 and then get to the point where you lose some weight, and then you try to reverse diet from there. Good luck. You're a big dude. You're already only at 1900 to 2100 calories. I think you said your delta was 200 makes me think you're in finance by the way. Do you work with money? Is that what you do? No, no, no, no, okay. But anyway, if okay, so you could try that approach. Which is everybody does that. They's almost lose the weight when I lose lose it then I'm gonna try and then I'm gonna figure it out. That's a, I'm gonna tell you right now, your fail rate with that is gonna be over 90%. Or you could take the slower approach,

Starting point is 01:19:13 which was at Adam's said, which is a slow reverse diet from where you're at, get your calories to a point that you feel comfortable cutting from. But I'm gonna tell you right now, half your protein from shakes, I can't stress this enough when you're trying to get lean. The most important thing that you should pay attention to is your cravings, your appetite, your satiety.

Starting point is 01:19:34 Nothing's gonna thwart your progress like having to battle with cravings and feeling hungry. There's nothing more challenging than that when you're trying to get lean. That's the biggest problem. So if you're getting your protein from shakes, you're basically short-changing yourself there. You're basically doing, you know when I recommend people take a lot of shakes, when they have a tough time getting enough calories because they don't have a good appetite. That's how I encourage them to get more because I know it's

Starting point is 01:20:01 not, I know a 50 gram shakes not going to make them feel like full, like a 50 grams of, you know, chicken beef fish or whatever. So my guess, my guess is he's using it right now to hit his protein intake and keep his calories low. It's like a protein shakes are an easy way to get high protein and low calories. And so my guess, because I've trained a lot of clients in your exact shoes is you've first of all, let's talk about what you did That was incredible already. You went from 362 down. I mean, you've lost a hundred and fifty hundred sixty pounds That's incredible. That's incredible

Starting point is 01:20:33 That's it's incredible that you still have it off very few people can do that Now the greatest challenge that my clients would have where you're at now is the mental hurdle of that my clients would have where you're at now is the mental hurdle of I need to actually bulk. I need to actually increase calories and I'm still not where I wanna be physically, right? They normally when you get to where you're at, you've made this huge, trying a huge accomplishment but you're still not feeling the way you look.

Starting point is 01:21:00 You're like, I still wanna be tighter, leaner look in, like I want more and the way you look. You're like, I still want to be tighter, leaner looking like I want more. And the truth is, you've already gone down so low that if you want that next level to your physique, we're going to have to reverse out for a little bit, increase your calories. Go on a bulk, try and add 10, 15 pounds of good lean mass to your body. That's the focus, whether you get all 10 or 15, but that's the point possible is to build 10 to 15 pounds of muscle, really ramp that metabolism up to where you're able to eat 2800 to 3,400 calories a day and not gain any weight on the scale. And then now come back down again to that 19, you know, 1900 to 2000 and watch how much leaner you faster, you get and how much better you look

Starting point is 01:21:48 because you've put on that lean mass. But it's really tough mentally, because I know what you just came from, and I know that fear inside of, oh my God, you start eating a little bit more, and then also you feel like you're holding a little bit of water, and in your head your head goes, oh my God, I'm getting fat. I'm putting fat on, putting fat on.

Starting point is 01:22:07 This is going to be the biggest challenge right here is to trust the process that I got you. You can easily eat 2400 calories a day, especially if you're getting it through whole foods. Now, and the easy way to do that and follow what Sal saying is cut out the shakes. Go have some nice meats, man. Go get yourself a try tip. Go get yourself some meat that's enjoyed. Get chicken thighs, get some good rib-eye steak. You're literally able to do both of what we're saying. Yes. Number one, you're gonna be able to get the protein from whole natural

Starting point is 01:22:36 sources. And because it's from food, it's gonna come with a little additional calories. So you'll be able to reverse diet at the same time. Yeah. If you literally replace the shakes with things like I just said, rib eye steaks, chicken thighs, and some good meals like that, it'll take care of both problems. That's right. We'll switch over to whole natural foods and get more nutrient-dense salt foods that will be satiety-producing. In addition to that, we're going to bump your calories a few four, five hundred more calories a day.

Starting point is 01:23:04 And I guarantee you're going to feel better, you're gonna bump your calories a few four, five hundred more calories a day. And I guarantee you're gonna feel better, you're gonna look better. Just the hard part is you gotta be okay with your eating more calories. You're probably gonna take into the little more sodium, little more carbohydrates, that's okay. Your body's gonna hold a little bit of water,

Starting point is 01:23:17 trust the process. And watch your strength in the gym, Adolfo. That's what's gonna happen if you do what we say. You're gonna start to feel strong. You're gonna get better pumps in the gym. Focus on that, not this game. What program are we following right now? What do you got?

Starting point is 01:23:31 Just like I said, I just started anabolic. I'm on phase one week two. The best part for me is like I said, I've only been tracking my calories and weight. Like when I do whole foods weighing it, though that passed about four weeks. Really like to be regimented. And this is the first program I've ever followed.

Starting point is 01:23:47 Okay, cool. Perfect. Losing the weight took 10 to three. Yeah. Yeah. Finally, when I was like, all right, Biden Plum Nation, finally was just like everyone that I listened to or everyone that comes on your show. It's like, hey, you guys got a pick of a program.

Starting point is 01:24:00 And I was like, all right, I got to finally do it. So I picked up at a ball. The best part is, is, you know, now there's no excuse to not go do dead lifts. I don't get to just sit there. Go, oh, do something else. Like, no, I'm gonna go do dead lifts. And what's great is just seeing the,

Starting point is 01:24:13 just in the two weeks of actually meeting phase one, just overall the better strength gains. Yeah, even though I'm not at the calories that I would really want to be at, but I guess sitting in around the 19 to 20 100 calories Like is it okay to just jump immediately to 2400 calories? Yeah, okay. Yeah, you're gonna feel you're gonna your strength gains you go through the roof and your stuff put muscle on You're gonna tell you to do you're in a good place, bro. You really are you're in it. You're in a good place right now

Starting point is 01:24:40 It's literally I'm telling you the hardest part will be the mental part is to yeah, I know prep prep your prep your meals I know protein powders convenient do a little prep the night before or once a week cook a bunch of chicken thighs Are my favorite because they're on meat to get through it all yeah ground lean ground beef chicken thighs You know those are all very they're inexpensive and they're easy and they store really well in the fridge And then you can make you can just eat them with vegetables or rice or potato, and you're all set. And you'll get, you're gonna literally be able to do both of what we're saying, simply by switching out those shakes with real food.

Starting point is 01:25:13 I like to, I like to get you into there. Are you in our private forum yet or no? I'm not. Yeah, I'd like to put you in there, because I'd like to be there as you, as you, because I do know the challenge. Yeah, the mental challenge. So you have somebody to voice your concerns or reach out to as you go through this process and we can continue to encourage you that you're doing the right

Starting point is 01:25:35 things because you are in a good place. It is as simple as adding, getting rid of the shakes, replacing it with good things like chicken thighs and rib eyes and things like that. And the hardest part is gonna be not getting in your own head. So let me get you in the forum, that way I can keep you out of your own way. That'd be awesome, that's the biggest hurdle is, as soon as I put on like a pound, I'm just like, all right, there's, totally, I'm just grabbing my size,

Starting point is 01:25:59 like there you, that is so. I get it, boy. Hey, don't, don't do this, stop weighing yourself. And if you need to track anything in the morning without eating or anything, measure your circumference or your waist, that'll be a little bit better anyway. Because if you gain five pounds of water and muscle, your waist circumference probably won't change much at all.

Starting point is 01:26:16 But the scale would go up, right? So stop weighing yourself, because it's going to mess with your head for sure. Okay, I'll throw it away. I'll throw the scale away and I like that. At the eels that go to a big box gym over here in Arizona and they have an evil. What's nice about it is you can only use this measuring system once a month. So I'll kind of, I'll just do that. Yeah, put it away. But still every day I'll do the once a month. That's

Starting point is 01:26:39 actually great. I would love that's and I'd love to hear from you like that once a month check in with us. Check in what it what it said and what you had been and fill us in on what you've been doing and then we'll just keep an eye on you and hey stay the course or maybe we'll make a few changes based off of what you you give us as far as feedback but you got this bro you got you got you got you got some good good stuff ahead of you right here if you can just to get past the mental hurdles awesome what I appreciate it before appreciate it. I've looked forward to being in the forum. And again, thanks for all you guys do. I know you guys share it all the time, but the stuff that you guys do, it's pretty crazy how things come, two-per-rition kind of spiritual guy myself. So I'm always finding answers in places I don't expect

Starting point is 01:27:21 and you guys kind of fell in my lap. And as one of those things where it's like, God open my eyes to Hey, there's there's people out there that'll have your best interest at heart They might not be close to you, you know personally, but you guys have really opened up a lot of avenues for me And so I do appreciate what you guys do for not just myself, but everyone that listens well. Thank you very much I'm a huge problem. Thank you. Thank you, guys. How cute was his daughter trying to do it? Hand his shoulders and stuff.

Starting point is 01:27:46 Yeah, a lot of years. I mean, you know, what's cool is that the answer was, you know, the both things that we wanted him to do, it was one thing that he had to do to be able to satisfy both. Yeah, right? Just I knew the shakes out. He's a huge challenge. Yeah, right? Just take the shakes out. He's the food. He's the challenge. Yeah, totally.

Starting point is 01:28:06 I knew when I saw the breakdown of the shakes and the grams. Yeah, like how I said, I know what he's doing is he's just trying to just protect. Yeah, eating way, eating way shakes that are hundred something calories and 20, 30 grams of protein. There's another way he can manage it. He goes skinless, boiled chicken, bruh.

Starting point is 01:28:23 Yeah, that's what I Yeah. That's literally like it's an easy, easy way to get high protein, stay low calorie, but that's not what he needs right now. He needs the bump is calories and what a better way to do it than cut the shake out and have rib eye steak instead of some chicken thighs. So looking forward to seeing his progress. Our next caller is Jason from Arizona. Jason, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys, how's it going? So my question is, I'm a newly term professional golfer and I have a deep passion and first-ranked training and then just building athleticism in the process of trying to be a pro athlete anyway. Right now, I worked out five days a week and do mobility

Starting point is 01:29:03 pretty much every day and do cardio usually three or four evenings a week and do mobility pretty much every day in DuCardio, usually three or four evenings a week, and I practiced six to eight hours a day. It kind of sounds like a lot, but just kind of my process to becoming a pro golfer has been pretty wild. I had a pretty similar childhood to south, so just came from nothing, did Masonry since I was 12 years old to pay for this and was lucky enough 12 years in the Beble to turn pro. So I was just calling to see like what do you guys recommend I do to continue being able to grow and train as an athlete while also keeping my skills up.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Oh, I love it. Justin, who's the name of our guy over in Arizona? That's the golf, you were singing in, Brandon, yes. If, no, man, PFS, is it a PFS, PFS Brandon? Yeah, you follow those guys? Yeah, I do follow them. Okay, good, they're legit. Like he's got a lot of really good content around golfing

Starting point is 01:29:59 and, Jason, I'm gonna tell you something though that I've personally seen with athletes when they achieve a new level of competition. It's a very common mistake. So I'm just gonna communicate this to you so you don't make that same mistake. So what they'll do is they'll train really hard to get into a new division or go from high school to college or college to pro or qualify for this marathon that I all of a sudden qualify for.

Starting point is 01:30:27 What they do is they stop doing what they did that got them to improve and try to radically change their training because now they're in some new category and that almost always backfires. And almost always backfires because what you were doing obviously got you to this point. Now there's nothing wrong with fine tuning, but one of the, it'll be a huge mistake for you to be like, oh my God, I'm a pro now. Now I gotta do all kinds of different stuff

Starting point is 01:30:54 because the odds are by throwing new things at yourself so radically that you're going to change your biomechanics, your movement, you're going to actually hamper your, how well you perform. It's a very common mistake with athletes at this level. Your level is that now I need to make these massive athletic leaps in order to have that edge on my competition. And physically, I need to be stronger and I need to be bigger.

Starting point is 01:31:23 I need to have more power in my swing and all these kinds of things when this is such a high skill sport and you're doing a lot of mobility. And I think this is like an area that is overlooked a lot, but it seems to be that you're addressing that right away. But really, it's a lot of that, it's such a high skill thing that all the emphasis is on aiding and benefiting the skill portion of it. So that way your body moves in a fluid manner and it provides the kind of stability and grounding that it needs.

Starting point is 01:31:59 My recommendation is you are already checking all the boxes as far as the training mobility and everything you should be doing. My concern would be if you were my client is teaching you how to feel your body and know how sore you are or did you overreach and learning how to scale back on the intensity of your training, right? Like now golf is starting to ramp up and that's our, obviously our priority, right? We're a pro, like you wanna be the best golfer above all other things. So everything we do is to compliment that and we don't wanna get it in our own way. So what I'm always would be checking with you is like, hey, how'd you feel for Mr. Day's workout?

Starting point is 01:32:41 Are you feeling good? You feel fluid? You feel connected? How was practice? You know, did it you feeling good? Do you feel fluid? You feel connected? How was practice? Did it was as good or better than last time? And I'm wanting to check in with you on connecting the dots of when we train this intensely in the gym, what happens to our golf swing and our practice

Starting point is 01:32:57 and make sure that it's always complementing that and making us a better golfer. And it's not impeding on it because I'm doing too much in the gym. Like that would be our conversation. Yeah, look at it this way, Jason. If I had a magic wand and I were able to double your strength right now over this call, boom, twice as much strength, your golf would be worse. The second you would go out to the field to play with two,

Starting point is 01:33:22 because now it's going to change everything. It's going to change your swing, the speed, but all of a sudden you're a terrible golfer even though you just got twice as strong. Here's the thing to consider. This is going to be very general what I'm saying, but it's roughly true. At early ages, the difference between the best athletes and everyone else is talent. You go up a level and then it becomes a difference between who has the, who's got talent and who also works hard. Then when you get to the top of the level,

Starting point is 01:33:51 do you know what break makes the difference? Mindset. Everybody works hard. Everybody's got a lot of talent. Now it's the people who can handle stress, it's the people who can perform under pressure. It's the people whose heart rate doesn't go up and they get nervous and sweaty

Starting point is 01:34:05 when they're in, you know, under the spotlight and oh, they're behind and what do I do? And you consistently see this with studies across the board. You see this with high level military individuals as well. Like everybody gets into seal school for example, it's got the physical fitness to be able to complete it. The people that make it the ones with mental toughness. So my point with that is,

Starting point is 01:34:24 I wouldn't change anything radically about your training. I think Adam said it was beautiful. I would look at recovery, mobility, kind of honing things in, listening to my body, and then you really wanna know what's gonna make a difference is mindset training. Into that point, Dr. Brett McAve is a resource for that, and we've had on the show before,

Starting point is 01:34:43 and I haven't thought about it, but he deals with a lot of pro golfers, but it's very mindset-driven. And I fully agree. That's kind of where you're at now and you're in your career of getting to this point is now how can I really sharpen and fine tune? So it's consistent.

Starting point is 01:35:00 It's the consistency of performing against all the variables that come at you. Can you consistently have the mindset that makes you as good as you could possibly be? How do you hone that in? How do you train and develop that? That's now where the focus should be because whatever you do with your training and practice to get you here is working. That doesn't mean you can't get any better, but definitely don't radically change everything. I hope I'm hammering that. Had you heard of Brett before? Do you know who Brett is? We were talking about. Yeah, I've heard of that. I watched part of that episode.

Starting point is 01:35:33 Oh, okay. Bro, that makes a huge mindset is where at your level, at the pro level, that's the difference right there. That's the big difference. Yeah, yeah. I'm making it this far, man. That's awesome. Huge, you're conscious. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:50 Yeah. For sure, congratulations. And then, uh, do you have any of our, you have our RGB bundle? You're following that. Do you have maps, prime pro, because I think the correctional exercise stuff in there would be your beneficial. Your back pocket. Your back pocket.

Starting point is 01:36:01 Your symmetry with the isonatrix and you don't matter. I'll work. Do you have it? Yes. Do you have those? I don't have either of those I just have the RGB bundle at the moment. Okay, I like you know, here's symmetry is great prime pro I think though you if you have that you'll always be able to go to that whenever you have an issue. Yeah, you'll always be able to pull from it. So let me send that to you for free Awesome. Thank you guys so much. You got it. Thank you. Keep us up to date on the journey, man.

Starting point is 01:36:27 We'd love to hear our ghosts. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I'll let you guys know for sure. All right, Jason. Awesome. Talk to you guys later. You guys have you guys have any experiences, personal experiences where you realized like, oh, God, this is all this mindset part is everything right now. This is the why I'm performing good or bad or yeah. Like I, I, when I competed in one of my first big tournament tournaments in Jiu Jitsu, I remember in practice, like I would never gas, like you could throw, like I could go round

Starting point is 01:36:57 robin, 10 guys in a row, I felt like a machine fluid moving whatever. Got to the trouble so amped up mentally, get to this tournament, I'm so amped up, and one match, I was so gasped, I felt like I had no fitness whatsoever. And I was like, what is wrong with me? My sick, like what's going on? I was nerd, my mindset, my mindset was totally off, it threw me off completely, my performance sucked as a result of that. Yeah, going into college, it was, my mindset was very much more on like I'm undersized and I'm not

Starting point is 01:37:27 Powerful enough. I'm not strong enough. I'm not fast enough. And so I put so much effort in that direction That even when I was finally the you know a good size. I was You know pretty quick and I could move quick. I didn't have that killer edge I used to have. And that was all like mindset driven. What's I finally kind of came back and revisited that my my last year was like a completely different performance I would have. Well, I remember when they I shared this study a long time ago on the on the podcast of all these super high performing athletes, like the Steph Curry's and stuff. I mean, downhill skiers like the most fighter pilot. Yeah, the most elite of elite,

Starting point is 01:38:06 one of the things they all had in common was extremely low heart rates in extremely scary situations. Like the more stressed pops up, the more calmer they get. Yeah, and that's not because they did a lot of cardio and so their heart rate was low. That's because of their mindset,

Starting point is 01:38:20 because if you trained it. Yeah, they trained so well for those moments that they were actually, oh, I've been here before. I know what to do. I got this, you know what I'm saying? And that made such an impact on their level. Yeah, this guy's doing, Jason's doing plenty already as far as this.

Starting point is 01:38:35 Everything he lists, that's why I was like, I don't really know what it goes. And again, I've seen the right things. I've seen so many people do this. Like, okay, now I'm paying college, so now I'm gonna double my volume. I'm gonna radically change my workout. And they hurt themselves or over do it. I don't know what you were

Starting point is 01:38:47 doing worked. Keep doing that. Our next color is Brendan from Missouri. Brendan, what's happening? What's up, Brandon? I will help you. Not much. How about you guys? Thanks for having me. Hey, then you got it, man. Like, we hope you're doing a big, big list and there a huge fan. My main, my only question revolves around bloodwink. I guess move the term while squatting. Yeah, Adam wing set my butt all the time. But we encourage us to stop looking. No, we know what that is.

Starting point is 01:39:13 Yeah, Pel, a little bit of a pellet tilt at the bottom of squat. Yeah. So my question is, have you avoid that? And also as bad as it comes off to be, because I think in my gym, especially you walk in there and probably 50% people's back squatting have it. Okay. First of all, does it bother you or low back to you?

Starting point is 01:39:32 Does it, does it like start burning while you're doing sets? Does it hurt you later on the next day? Is it, is it uncomfortable? So I actually emailed you guys Saturday, right? I worked out and it happened at my last Saturday in ballad phase one and it hurt pretty bad so bad locked up something actually what's the doctor yesterday you said my joints just inflamed get put me on some steroids and muscle exercise should be a little bit in a week but so you usually know but every

Starting point is 01:39:59 once in a while. Yeah so that's what made me reach out because actually was quite a bit. That's what determines whether or not it's an issue for those part. That's right. Now, where does it, what joint was inflamed? Is it your SI joint? Where's the pain? Is it on one side?

Starting point is 01:40:12 The SI joint and a little more on the right side. Okay. All right, so, okay, so there could be a few different, couple, here's the most common reasons why somebody's pelvis will tilt excessively at the bottom. I say excessively because the movement in the low back a little bit is probably not a bad thing. It's natural.

Starting point is 01:40:31 Yeah, it's probably not a bad thing, depends on the individual. What it becomes an issue is when you start to hit ranges of motion that are close to the end of the range of motion. So now what happens is your spine's ability to flex or extend is supporting you. In other words, it's extending or flexing in its deepest range of motion with that. Then you add load to it. Now, it's

Starting point is 01:40:53 holding you with your spine joint. That's when it becomes a problem. But if muscle's supporting you, it's typically not an issue. The two areas that tend to be an issue are stability in the hips. So mobility, stability in the hips and or, and this is usually the one, is ankle mobility. So, have you tried wearing squat shoes or elevating your heels to see if it still happens? I wear those no balls, the pre-flats and not squat shoes. So here's how you might know.

Starting point is 01:41:22 You're gonna want to test this out. Wear some squat shoes or stand on some like 10 pound plates under your heels. Squat like you normally do. See if the butt week goes away. If it goes away or gets a lot better, you got to work on ankle mobility. Okay.

Starting point is 01:41:38 If that doesn't change, then there's probably some hip mobility issues and maybe some core stability type issues that I would wanna focus on. And we have a great program called Mass Prime Pro that'll address all of those. Yeah, send him Prime Pro because I actually think that even if these are- They're saying to ankles.

Starting point is 01:41:55 Yes, I think that I've yet to meet a client where me teaching them 90, 90s and combat stretch for your ankles has not benefited them. Everybody's never been a detriment. Exactly. I don't know anybody who I've trained. I mean, I have people like you who this has solved that issue and then I've had other people who are that's just, oh man, I feel better in my squat now.

Starting point is 01:42:15 I feel so much more comfortable. I feel more stable at the bottom. Like, I'm so glad I do that. So like, you're gonna benefit from that. It's like it could be life changing or game changing for you though. Like, it was for me. Like getting good at my 90 90s,

Starting point is 01:42:28 working on my combat stretch, getting comfortable in a deep, astergrass squat completely eliminated my low back pain. So this, I know the guys were teasing about me at the beginning, but that's because this was something I suffered from. So I had excessive butt wink. In fact, I was so bad that anytime that I did high rep squats, if I did over eight squats, after that set,

Starting point is 01:42:50 I'd be laying on the ground because my low back was just on fire. And I'd be like doing back presses and like having to take a break because my low back was just, and that's because I just had so much of an excessive wink back and forth. And so once I worked on my hip mobility and my ankle mobility, it completely eliminated that. I was able to get all the way down, stay in control of my pelvis and then come out, no problem and not have any problems.

Starting point is 01:43:15 So that's step one really. It's like regaining that kind of stability in both ankles and hips. And so to do that is to, you know, spend an excessive amount of time on these mobility drills and also to prime before you do your workouts with that. But to spend that extra bit of time, once you go back to squats with making sure you're bracing your tempos very, very slow.

Starting point is 01:43:37 If anything, you're gonna be like pausing at the bottom and making sure that you're connected still. You're still like being able to have that kind of muscle contraction and tension that you have supporting your hips and your lower back. So to do that too, like the dumpy squat is another good sort of drill to run. So it helps you kind of focus on that specific fact and only you need that kind of bracing

Starting point is 01:44:01 and you need that kind of tension in order to support your spouse, you'll have problems. Now just keep in mind, Brendan, there's a lot of moving parts in a barbell squat, but you're looking at the knee, the ankle, the hips, and of course the low back because it's attached to the hips right there. And if one of those joints isn't doing what it's supposed to,

Starting point is 01:44:21 then the other joints are gonna move more or compensate for that in order to allow you to perform the movement. So that's why we're telling you to look at those two things. You might be thinking, what does that have to do with my ankles? Why would you mean my hips? They feel totally fine. Well, if your ankles aren't able to allow for the range of motion under control that would

Starting point is 01:44:42 produce a good squat, well, the next thing that's going to take over or have to do that is maybe your hips are low back. So that's why we're telling you to work on those things. Now, can you do you go all the way down in your squat? Yeah, I try to break 90. Okay. For the time being while working on those things, squat down until you feel like you're about to do the bump wink and then don't go any lower. So that's your limiting, that's your range of motion. Don't go beyond where you're going to get the butt wink, work on that mobility and then as your mobility improves, start to lower the squat, but I would stop squatting to the point where you get a butt wink. So

Starting point is 01:45:19 stop, stop just short of that. So if it's just the 90's, 90's squat, so be it. So do that and stuff. Do it on. So what if I do it on the 10 pound plates and that I don't wink to it on 10 pound plates or without? I would prefer. Okay. So I would like a bit of a crush. Yeah. I mean, I would prefer you work on your ankle mobility and then be able to do it with your feet not being elevated. Now, if you're just in a hurry, you're like almost quite heavy, and I don't care. You can do that. It's also a good, the why Sal's giving you that too,

Starting point is 01:45:48 is actually just so you get that confirmation. It's just a test. Like that's like, so if you go put your heels elevated, and like it feels like one of the most comfortable squats you've done. There's your problem. You know, that's it.

Starting point is 01:46:01 Like there you are. Like you just doing that. And to worry if like, let's say you do some, you prime with some 90, 90s and elevate the hills and you feel like you've had the best squat you've ever had, like there you go. Like it's, you need to work on hip stability and mobility and address the ankle mobility and just put the work in to do that and it's going to get rid of it. And you ever go to a restaurant and you sit at one of those, you sit at a round table

Starting point is 01:46:22 and it like wobbles, you know? Yeah. And so the waiter comes over, oh, I'll fix that and he folds up a napkin and sticks it under one of the feet. Okay, that's squad shoes. So, I mean, you could do that, but you could also get a table that's balanced, and that's probably a better answer. And fix the base.

Starting point is 01:46:38 That's right. Awesome. It was very helpful. Thanks, guys. I want to give one shout out to a huge listener, Mark Gorman, but once again, thank you guys, you're the best. All right. You got him, ma' guys. I want to give one shout out to a huge listener Mark Gorman, but Once again, thank you guys the best. You got a man. Take it easy, man. Have a good one Looks like he sells insurance. Did he see Mark Norman? That's what I said to you. That's a awesome comedian. He said Gorman

Starting point is 01:46:58 Oh, Gorma. Yeah, I'm less excited. This is boy Shout out to Mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah know, I got, I mean, I easily get cut up and using the crutches because I get impatient. So I'm like, okay, I work on my ankle mobility. Or I could squat for plates. Let's do that. I get it. I get the whole deal.

Starting point is 01:47:16 That's why that happens. Yeah, so because you want to keep progressing with the ego lifts. I mean, it was, hands down one of the, if not the best and most important things I think I ever did in my in my training career. You did it while being a podcast on the show. Yeah. We got to see that transformation. And and to this day, I have yet to ever have low back pain ever again. It's not wild. Yeah. Your whole life. Yes. My whole life

Starting point is 01:47:40 I always just and you know, it's so funny because it runs the family. My sister, my uncle, my cousin, like we all have like low back and we all have that kind of shift like that. And we also stop wearing heels. Yeah, that's true. The high heels definitely. That'll do. Like if you're a trainer and a coach

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2231: The Negative Effects of Protein Shakes, How to Train to Improve Golf Performance, the Truth About the “Butt Wink” & More

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