Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2240: Mikhaila Peterson

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

Finding her person and having another baby. (1:37) How things will be different with her parenting this time around. (3:58) The evolution of her podcast. (6:14) I will not provoke an autoimmune disorder so that the public will feel better about the health of my baby.” (11:08) The state of her business. (16:58) Why did she step into the supplement world? (18:08) The importance of picking the right air filter. (20:18) Growing up in the Peterson household. (22:21) Her journey with taking and coming off medications. (25:00) Why she chooses to avoid the mainstream medical system. (33:33) Her experience with home births. (34:58) Does her daughter take after herself? (39:52) How she deals with having dual custody. (41:47) Bringing home boyfriends around her parents. (44:14) Being the gatekeeper of the Peterson brand. (46:42) Impacting the healthcare system. (50:00) All beef all the time. (51:30) Will ARC become an annual thing? (53:13) The importance and value of postpartum physical therapy. (56:39) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! December Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength | MAPS OCR 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** Listen To Mikhaila Peterson Podcasts | Mikhaila Peterson Mind Pump #725: Mikhaila Peterson’s Personal Account Of Treating Debilitating Disease Through Diet Fuller Health Home - Peterson Academy Love The Air You Breathe | Air Oasis® Watch The Business of Being Born | Prime Video Carnivore Chips - Carnivore Snax Welcome to ARC Luna Physical Therapy MAPS Starter   Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Mikhaila Peterson (@mikhailapeterson) Instagram Website Jordan B. Peterson (@JordanBPeterson) Twitter

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How long now? Five. Maybe five, yeah. I think it was 2018, yeah. We had you on at the beginning of like, been a long time. Three, four years? How long? No. Five, maybe five. I think it was 2018. Yeah. Wow. We had you on at the beginning of like you starting your first podcast. I did. I think there might have been a time like a tiny one. But you were the first. So yeah, it's a great. That's what we do. Now we're, hold on,

we're on now. The first podcast where you're revealing to everybody that you're pregnant. This is true. This is exciting. This is exciting. And you're eight months? Yeah. Oh, wow.

That's amazing. So talk to us about, because you were married before, you have your beautiful daughter. I was divorced with two kids at one point. It was really scary for me. Not just to jump back into marriage, but to jump back into having more kids.

Was that anything like that for you or you struggling with that, or was it like, no, this is what we're doing? It was more of this is what we're doing. Like I knew, I mean, especially because we've got more of a time limit, I would say, than you do for having kids. So my plan was, I need to find some,

not that I just like chose a random person. I was like, this guy will do. I was really worried about finding another person. That was really scary. I'd actually just given up on that, because I met people and like, I don't really get along with a ton of people for whatever reason.

Even like more disagreeable than the average person. Or maybe that's just normal for people. But I was like, oh, this is, I'm screwed for a while. But then I met my husband, his name's Jordan too. People love that. Yeah. If I can see it in your face. It was a polite smile. That's great. But we, I knew I wanted kids right away. Yeah. Do you know this boy girl? It's a boy. Oh wow.

Yeah, we've got a girl on a boy now. And your daughter, she excited? She's so excited. She's so excited. That's great. So that's really nice. She's been like, you know, that's one of the, well, hard parts about having a relationship

that doesn't work. I was like, I'd rather have a kid that has siblings. I'm sorry, I felt kind of bad. I know lots of people who are only kids, but I've been like, can I have a baby brother, baby sister, so now it's happening. Oh, that's awesome. You're now an older, wiser version of yourself.

When you look back, you're parenting six years ago, what are some of the things that you know you're going to do different or that you plan to do this time that maybe you didn't do the first time around? I'm going to have, like, I'm going to have more help. So with Scarlett, I had way less money. So I didn't have very much money. And I stayed home and I worked at the same time. And I didn't sleep really for like and I stayed home and I worked at the same time and I didn't sleep really for like six months because she was breastfeeding through the night and that just destroyed my mental health Although the relationship at the time didn't help either, but it was just like I needed I Needed more help and we didn't have family around at the time because mom and dad were off doing their thing

Because that was right when things got crazy. It was right before I came on the podcast really, like 2017. And so it was just, I was isolated. I was much younger than anyone. Like none of my friends had kids. I was 25 at the time, which isn't, which is young, honestly, especially for people in Toronto or more liberal places, but it's pretty young. And so it was just extremely isolating. So I'm not, I'm like a bit, I was a bit scared of now that I have more going on, how am I going to do this? And so I'm going to have more help. Like I'm hiring a newborn care specialist to help with the nights so that somebody's there and I don't have to worry about it. somebody's there and I don't have to worry about it and that's making me feel better. We did the same thing with the second one. So we heard someone to come help with the post-care.

Yeah. It's so valuable. You mentioned the sleep deprivation and what that does to you. I don't think it's talked about enough. People joke about it. Oh, it's so hard. Not to get. No, it really fucks up your mental state. Yeah. It's like mental torture. It's talked about enough. People joke about it. Oh, it's so hard. Not to get, know what, really fucks up your mental state. Yeah. It's like mental torture. It's torture, yeah. It's crazy. And then the guilt on top of it, like you can't really sleep.

Yeah. And I remember with Scarlet, like it was every little, because your hormones changed, so every little sound she made was like awake. And it was brutal for months and months and months. And I was like, I'm not getting into that state state again because like that's not good for your kids either to be so stressed about it. I need to prioritize sleep somehow. So since the last time you're on your podcast is exploded your content your the way you communicate on your show, the guests you have,

it's like you've just, every time I hear you and listen to you, I'm like, oh my God, she's better, oh my God, it's better. Oh my, in fact, we sent some of your clips to our editing team because we're like, I don't know who's editing this. In fact, I think Adam might have messaged you. Like you're doing such a great job. Talk about the growth, because you were not a media person when you started it.

No. First of all, what made you start it and then what was the process like of learning to get better at that? Well, I think because of the diet, like just eating meat, I was invited on quite a few shows because of that and because of who my dad is. And so I was on quite a few podcasts and then somebody reached out and was just like, you should start one. Like, I like talking you should start one. Like I like talking.

That'll work. And I needed, life was so shitty for so long. Like there was the relationship, but it was also, my mom and dad got really sick in 2019 and it was just like a horrible period of time. And the podcast was kind of an outlet to like, be normal and be brought out of the situation I was in. So I kept doing it, even though I was in pretty rough shape in like 2019 and 2020, from taking care of my dad.

So I kept doing it. I liked it. It was growing. People seem to be listening to it. So I always did that kind of on the side from other work. This is like hard to monetize until you have more of an audience. What did you do? What other work did you do? You were helping dad out, right? Wouldn't you? I managed. I managed his brand. So like setting up all the social media channels and then negotiating business opportunities and making sure people aren't taking advantage

of him. That's a big one. So like most of my time, I'm still doing that. Most of my time was that. It was like might as well grow something on the side. I was also worried that I had some negative articles come out about me, especially at the beginning when people were like, you're going to die if you do the carnivore diet. And I was like, it's uncomfortable not being able to talk back to these giant

like media corporations and say, oh no, I'm not just a weird meat girl. Like, I'm a person, I'm pretty normal, I think, maybe. And so part of the need for growing a social media following was still I had a platform to speak back against like articles that just weren't real about me. It was like a safety net. Yeah. Would have been some of the biggest challenges of doing it so far for yourself. Well, let me see. Challenge.

I don't know. For podcasting, there haven't been very many challenges. There are the other things in my life were so awful that the problems that were podcasting were like, oh, the camera's not working. Oh, I had you on one time when I was in Dubai and it was brutal. That's the worst. That was the worst podcasting episode I've ever done. Yeah. So, but that, that's it was really bad. That doesn't really happen anymore. But that was like just special for you. That was pretty early on. Did you hear that? Did they ever go up? It did, and it wasn't.

You had to edit all that content. It was okay. We managed it. It looks better post edit than what it was going on. But the complications haven't you do with podcasting? We're absolutely nothing. No rough guess. No guess that you just got annoyed with or you didn't like. Oh yeah. Okay, as I say, that has to have happened by now, right? Oh yeah, I do opposing views sometimes.

So it's usually a contentious issue. Like I just did one on the Gaza Israel issue. Oh wow, they touched that one. Oh yeah, that's a tough one. So I had somebody on from both sides that, you know, believe that they're 100% right on both sides. But I've had some opposing views episodes where I really didn't like one of the guests.

But it's pretty easy to stay neutral from just, I usually ask the people the same questions. So it's just a neutral conversation. So I don't have to like debate, not that interested in debating with people who just completely disagree with me because I don't know to like debate, not that interested in debating with people who just completely disagree with me because I don't know you do you? Do you pick your guess just off of like stuff you're interested in because it seems similar to not the same but similar to kind of the direction that your dad goes in

But it definitely sounds like it's stuff you're interested in as well Are you specific about it? We like no, that's what I want to talk about. Yeah, it was just that actually at the beginning I was trying to figure out health things. That's right. Yeah, so I was actually using it so that I could... You were well-nosed stuff. It was, at the beginning, and that was partly because dad was so sick that I was like, if I have a podcast, I'll be able to talk to these doctors and see if they know anything

that can help us without going the normal medical route, which worked so at the beginning it was very health oriented. Where are you, now that you come out and you're like, hey, I'm having a baby, are you thinking about any of the potential, I don't know, backlash with your diet now? Because it's one thing to be like, oh, I'm eating this way and it's just me, but now you're like, oh, I'm pregnant and I've been eating just me.

Like, have you thought about that? Like, oh, shit. Are they gonna come after me for this? No. I don't care. I don't care, like, at all. That stuff doesn't bother me even a little bit. Plus, I started the diet when I was breastfeeding Scarlett,

she was four months old and I had my arthritis had come back. And so my wrist was buckling when I got up to breastfeed at night. And I was like, this is not doable. I'm not getting arthritis again. And I was just eating meat and salad at the time. I talked about this on the first podcast. And that's when I went to the carnivore diet.

And I can't eat other things still. Well, I've got some theories why now, but I can't eat anything still. So I'm not gonna provoke an autoimmune disorder so that the public will feel better about the health of my baby. I'm so glad you said that. Having an autoimmune disorder is not healthier for the baby. I'm so glad you said that. But also for people who don't understand this, autoimmune can be deadly to a baby because you're hosting a foreign, I guess, entity,

and if your immune system, all of a sudden thinks that that is not good, then it'll attack the child. So you don't want autoimmune shit when you're... No, not at all. And I go like, people get different symptoms with whatever they have. I had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis,

but I had a host of cognitive symptoms. And it's the cognitive symptoms that really get me. So if I go off the diet, I still get really volatile and really anxious and really depressed. And I can't think and brain foggy. And it affects my appearance as well. My face gets puffy and I start getting skin rashes and things. So it affects how I look, but it just shuts off my brain. So there's just like I'd be eating other things.

It's been really hard during the pregnancy. Like the one part of the pregnancy is. What about cravings and stuff? It's been rough. Like the craving, like I've literally cried over a cucumber. Like multiple times, seriously, been like, this is so like messed up. But I've got hit with a meat aversion which can help happen in pregnancy. Happened to my wife actually for the first trimester meat made her nauseous. Yeah, so I was like that probably won't happen to me because all I need is meat. I've been only eating meat for like it's gonna be six years in December. Yeah, so next month it'll be six years. It's like well my body isn't gonna do that and that is not what happened. I had a meat reversion first, and it came back in the third.

And so it's just been like, that's been brutal. What are you doing that happened? You just got to force feed yourself. Yeah. It just started out like I started eating chicken, which I don't normally eat. I usually just eat beef, because chicken doesn't make me feel as good.

And that's a little bit more palatable, but like it's miserable, miserable diet when you're pregnant. But if I branch out at all then, the cognitive symptoms and the autoimmune symptoms are too bad. So, when you were on the show originally, that was my speculation that the people who do well in carnivores, because for whatever reason,

their immune systems are hyper reactive. And meat just seems to be the thing that doesn't cause that reaction. Yeah, and at the beginning, I think when I talked to you guys before, I felt so much better that I thought, That doesn't cause that reaction. Yeah, and at the beginning I think when I talked to you guys before I was like I felt so much better that I thought maybe people are supposed to eat this way Yeah, like it was so mind blowing to me to not be sick all the time that I was like Maybe people are supposed to eat this way or maybe they're supposed to eat a little bit of other things

But like primarily meat and I still believe that people are supposed to eat primarily beef But I do think that there's like my immune system is hyperactive and I'm responding to things in an abnormal way and something's triggering that. And now I think it was mold that was triggering that like throughout my life. I used to think it was maybe I have a bacterial infection or a virus and my immune system is just constantly inflamed. Now my theory is mold, so we'll see how that plays out. I would be you tested that, like when you travel maybe some places and you notice all of a sudden you feel better, is that why? Yeah, we're worse. That's what my sister is noticed. My sister, after the episode of Sal talking about his mold,

she's like, oh my God, I think we have an issue because I just took vacation for a week and it felt great at a hotel, and then I came back home and all the symptoms came back. My theory is more, I think this is what I think and of course I could be totally wrong, but I don't know, I don't think it's one thing that's the cause. I do think that for some reason, and this is what we need to figure out, for some reason, first off, people's immune systems have become more reactive over the last few decades

anyway. Like food allergies, I don't know any become more reactive over the last few decades anyway. Like food allergies, I don't know any kids with food allergies when I was a kid. You know, when my kids go to school, it's like they have whole tables that are peanut free or whatever. So something's going on that's causing our immune systems become hyper vigilant and in extreme cases, it's something like yourself. And so they're just more reactive to anything that you can be reactive to. Things that are in foods, mold, maybe, maybe viruses, bacteria, could be a part

of that. It could be almost anything. You've got to figure out what the hell is that root thing that's going on because it's becoming more and more common. You're probably running into more and more people I would assume that come up to you and like, oh my god, this helped me. Oh yeah. Yeah. And there's, I've got a group, it's what, there's 18,000 people on Facebook, I'm gonna die it. Yeah, and these are people that are seriously sick, like they've been on eight medications

and you have to get pretty sick, I feel like to go on only eating meat, to get there, unless you're like a weird fitness guy, that's like, I'm gonna try it for a Listen People think it's a cool idea. Yeah, the people think it's a cool idea never last Yeah, I tried it for a month. Yeah, there's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow So how's how is the business now? So six years later you that's that's pretty much what you do now

You have your show you have, how's it going? I Started too many projects and then moved and got pregnant and so I'm a little bit overwhelmed at the moment, but I do like I do brand management for my dad I have the podcast. I've got a Supplement company that's like slowly rolling out fuller health and then We're launching Peters in Academy like in the new year. That's right. Yes. Oh, that was way too many things at the same time That was too much, but things are going well. They're you delegating some of it? You have someone helping you with the solve? Okay. Oh, yeah, so there's like somebody there's one person running the supplement brand

Yeah, so there's like somebody, there's one person running the supplement brand. And I have like dad has a number of employees helping his brand and then Peterson Academy has like, I don't know, 25 employees, because there's a lot going on there. But overseeing that, I'm stretched a little bit thin. But with the pregnancy and the move.

Yeah, yeah. that's crazy. So supplements, let's talk about the supplement. What made you go in that direction? You gave us a sample, you gave us a bottle of one of your products that's for helping the body break down alcohol. Is that the only supplement you have right now? That's the only supplement for now. Now why in that direction?

Well, I can't tolerate fillers because I'm allergic to everything I can't tolerate fillers in supplements. So finding supplements that I can take has been impossible. So I haven't really been taking stuff. So what are the fillers that you're talking about? The capsule's gelatin typically, which is okay, right? Yeah, gelatin's gelatin finds even the cellulose capsules,

that's fine. Okay. It's magnesium steerate, that's a problem, and that's in a lot of them. And that gives me like gut issues almost immediately. So that, but a lot of them have like rice, some sort of rice filler. It's like people don't usually make them,

oh, they don't make them because, if you work with people who use machines to make the supplements, they use flow agents to help the machine flow the supplement. Oh, so they just clogged up in the... Yeah, so they say, oh, well, we need to add this additive because it's a flow agent. Now, it turns out if you're just picky and annoying, they'll just get rid of the flow agent and go, oh my gosh, no, the machine still works.

Okay, so that's what we did. Okay, so you want wanna create products for people who can be reactive too. Yeah. Lots of different things. Yeah, so the products are literally just cellulose capsule with whatever you wanna take in it as opposed to these other fillers.

And I would assume most people don't have problems with fillers, but magnesium seriode I know can cause issues in people. You know what's funny about what you're saying? So you're so reactive, it's easy for you to see that you have a reaction. But there's a lot of us that have kind of low level reaction. So it's hard to pinpoint.

That'd be interesting for me to try, because I take so many supplements partially because I probably have a better relationship with someone, so I just take a lot of pills. But I wonder if that would make a difference for me to sort something like that. I feel like it would. Because I'm somewhat reactive, not nearly as reactive as you are, but somewhat. I feel like anytime you can remove anything extra, whether it's in the environment or food or it's just things you shouldn't necessarily be eating, it helps a little bit. Do you monetize a podcast?

Is it podcast money making for you? Yeah. What was that like? So, good. And that's going really well. So I have a couple of sponsors. I'm pretty picky about the sponsors. I just switched like after this mold scenario from Miami.

I had to switch the air filter I was advertising, because I was advertising this air filter and then I realized, oh, there's actually a major difference between error filters and what particle size they filter. I don't know if anyone cares about this. I do. No, I'm interested in it. Because I know you have big brands like AirDocter out there. Our AirDocter is good.

OK, yeah, this is. So what do you want to look for if you want to use an air filter that gets rid of like mold spores? Yeah, so you want to look for a filtration size of 0.03 microns. So there's only a couple of brands that actually go down to 0.03 and that's because they pick up fragments of mold spores,

which is mostly what's hanging out in the air if your age back has mold. It's not whole spores, it's fragments. So it just needs to filter down to 0.03. We use air oasis. Air oasis is really good. Okay, okay, otherwise it's just getting through the filter. So it just needs to filter down to 0.03. We use Aeroasis. Aeroasis is really good. Okay, okay.

Otherwise, it's just getting through the filter. Yeah, and so the company I was advertising before, they filtered down to 0.01, which is pretty normal for an air filtration company, and then I was like, oh, can't do that one anymore because they're not the best, and I didn't know that until. That's interesting. I wonder how many air filters. Dude, I just thought six air filtersfield I didn't even check that I hope That's I know I went off to buy a bunch of new ones. Did you not do a

place because that's what we have in the studio? No, I didn't because no Yeah, you're gonna say you go I'm a bitch I was trying to save a dollar right there guy I got everything I Can't Push it out

It's a sponsor the doctor on the paper filter. Just push it out. They don't sponsor us. They don't sponsor us. I'm a bit nervous. Sponsor us and then maybe I'll use your phone. I actually wanted to get, maybe you can connect this. I actually wanted to get a air filter sponsor. Yeah. We reached out to another.

They sent me six samples. I'm a six samples. I really just missed the sample. There you go. So what was it like growing up in the Peterson household? What was that like as a kid? Because you know, everybody sees your dad and now you're out in public. So you get this idea and I can't imagine having like, what was that environment like? Was it like very different from normal? Was it like dad blowing everybody's minds all the time with his talks?

What was it like? The jokester. I didn't know any difference. so I thought it was normal. But then once I moved out, I started living with roommates and things. I was like, oh, my dad's pretty eccentric. That's what I thought. It's like, I've got a pretty eccentric dad, especially when I started seeing other people's houses. Our house was full of Soviet Union art.

Full. It's like completely full. Yeah. We had over 100 paintings in there. every wall was almost a different color. And then I go to somebody else's house and it'll be all white and I'll be like, oh, something's different. But he worked quite a bit,

not that I didn't see him, but he did work quite a bit because he had, you know, he taught at U of T and then he had a psychology practice and then he had a couple of online products that he started like 20 years ago that didn't really pick up steam until now. So he had three things going on all the time so he was kind of busy. But yeah, our talks were pretty similar to what he lectures about now. So there was a lot of, there were a lot of family sit down. So anything was going, like even remotely sideways and like we're not leaving this table till

it's sorted out. That was normal. Now how was that as a TV? Were you rebellious about that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, and I think that's partly because I was really quite sick and depressed and I was so angry.

And my dad always said like tell the tell the truth, no matter what. Like, tell the truth, no matter what. You're all right. Here it is. Oh, yeah. And so I'd go do something that they wouldn't approve of, you know, like drinking say, like on a Friday as a teenager, like, what were you doing last night? This is what I was doing last night. And then I get in trouble. And I'd be like, okay, you told me to tell the truth. And now you're getting mad at me. My brother just wouldn't say anything and he didn't get in trouble. And I was like, well,

that doesn't make any sense. So I'm I getting trouble for telling the truth, but I went like overboard. I was a little chatty or then I probably need to see things. I was a bit of a mess as a teenager, but I think it's because I mean I was on antidepressants, I was on birth control, and who knows, that's not a great combination on top of having an autoimmune disorder, so I was angry. It influences psyche. I think you said even at one point you were on stimulants to have offset, yeah, which also affects sites. I did the whole gamut. I was on, I had by the time I was 23, I had perfected a mix of cocktails, like keep me fairly

functional. Now compared to now, not even close, but I had like, out of all to get rid of the chronic fatigue, I was taking Benadryl at night to sleep. I had the antidepressant, I had birth control, which was partially for my skin. I was on an antibiotic, that was for my skin. And then I was on the immune suppressants for the arthritis. I was on a prescription strength antihistamine because I was allergic to every day. So I was on so many things, but when I added in the Adderol, I was like, I'm awake. Now I wasn't like, I was like, awake. That stuff is insane.

Yeah, it is crazy. I don't know how you got to kid it. I didn't have an Adderol pill. I'll tell you, I was an adult in my late 20s, and I'll never forget trying it for the first time, for totally not any reason, other for recreational reason. And I went holy shit. They're giving us kids. And it was a dose that I knew, it was a very low dose. It was the first time I had it and I was blown away by how I felt and as a grown man going, oh my God, can we prescribe kids?

I got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and then they offered me a prescription for Adderall. And I stopped taking it because I identified, I was developing a not a great relationship with it. And I think to myself, they give this to kids. I could tell, I could tell, it was getting a hold of me. So I just cut it off completely. Not that I needed it in the first place,

I'd already done my business and everything, but they give you something and you feel it and you're like, cool. But yeah, can't believe they give that to kids. I think I was on so much at the time and I was so sedated. And I think part of the reason I had chronic fatigue, I believe the fatigue was there,

but I think it was a side effect with the antidepressant. So I was on a high dose of an antidepressant and I was on it at such a young age that I didn't know. But I think the chronic fatigue might have been a side effect. So I was balancing side effects. So when I took out all this was like, I'm finally awake.

I can think. But then when I started to go into the paleo diet and I started to get off of my medications, the Adderall changed and it got rid of my sense of humor. Oh, I see. It destroyed my appetite the whole time, but it really impacted my sense of humor and I started getting foggy.

So it wasn't like I woke up. It was like I'd get overly focused on one thing and like obsessive. And it just it wasn't fun. Not that it was fun before. It really was just like hyper caffeine. But once I started to go paleo, it was like, Oh, this is not good anymore. What was the coming off for you? Did you have to do like one thing at a time or did you go cold turkey? What was it like off for you? Did you have to do like one thing at a time, or did you go cold turkey? What was it like coming off, everything? So I made a huge mistake there, and I stopped taking the immune suppressants. I didn't have the support of any of my doctors,

because I was like, it was 2015 at the time with the paleo diet, so my doctors were just like, you're crazy. And so I stopped the immune suppressants, I didn't tell my doctors, I was lying actually, because you can get fired in Canada for going to a rheumatologist and not listening to what they say. So I was like, yeah, I'm still on it. It's like, okay, doing well, like, yeah, whatever. But so I stopped that. And then when I went gluten free, I stopped that. And then when I cut like grains and processed foods and soy and dairy and eggs and I cut a bunch of things out, I stopped everything else over a two month period pretty quickly.

Like I would say, I don't know, I just stopped. Like most of the things I just stopped, antidepressants I stopped in two weeks. And I felt amazing. And then I got hit with antidepressant withdrawal, which I didn't even know was a thing. How long does that take to kick in usually? Or how long I take for you? For me, it started two weeks after I stopped taking it.

And what does that feel like? It feels like you're trapped in a horror movie permanently. So just fear? Yeah, fight or flight, I had skin sensitivity. So I had to stop wearing like, I still don't really like polyester, but like I couldn't tolerate polyester or a really soft touch. It just felt like it almost hurt. I wasn't able to go around fluorescent lights easily because the fluorescent lights hurt.

Different sounds hurt, like everything hurt. And at the time, foods really made that worse. And I attributed all of those symptoms to food reactions. So I was having these food reactions for like three weeks that I don't get anymore. And I know that that was from coming off of antidepressants because I've talked to a lot of people who have come off of antidepressants.

Antidepressant was like psych med withdrawal. I got off of OxyContin when I was 17 after I had my hip and ankle replaced because I was on them for a year. And that was unpleasant for sure. I could probably feel my brain recover for about a year after that in increments. Antidepressants were a completely other monster.

Really interesting. I've been on them since I was 12, so 12 to 23. Well sure. And've been on them since I was 12, so 12 to 23. Sure. And I was on a high dose. And these are SSRIs, just typical, okay? Yeah. I was on Cetella Pram. And it was horrible. Like I would not recommend anybody just suddenly stopping those. I didn't know that anti-depressant withdrawal existed. I knew that opiate withdrawal existed. So alcohol withdrawal existed, but not psych med withdrawal, which is just like, whoo, there's a reason people are hard to get off those.

I didn't even know about opiate withdrawal until I experienced myself. I tore my ACLM seal and was the first time I'd ever been prescribed, vikin' in. And I remember coming back to the doctor and telling him that at the time the prescription was like one every four hours I was supposed to take, and I remember telling the doc like, man, I'm still in a lot of pain.

And he said, well, how are you taking it? He go, well, I take one, you know, when it hurts, it starts to hurt. And then, oh, no, no, no, you need to stay ahead of the pain. And so they're like, make sure you take it at four or earlier before. And so then I'm like, you know, religiously taking this thing for like six months. And then I remember we're like, okay, I was, I knew I was healed. I was back to training and so I died. And so I just cut cold turkey.

And then the next day had like the most awful flu symptoms. And I couldn't sleep that night. And then the next night the symptoms were even worse. And I'm like, man, I still had some of those pills. I'm like, I'm gonna take one of those because that'll help me sleep. And I took it and it went, all of a sudden everything went away.

And I went, oh shit. And then right on the internet, right away, started searching, I'm like, oh, I'm going through withdrawals right now. I had no idea. And they don't communicate that with you when they prescribe them to you at all. No.

No, they just kind of casually, like sometimes, maybe not for you. For OxyContin for me. It was the long-acting one. And so that saturates your receptors almost constantly, which is what psych meds do, which is why they're so hard to get off of. Because there's never a regulate,

down regulates, right? Yeah, so getting off of that, I weaned down like they said, over two or three week period, as fast as I could tolerate. And then when I cut it out, yeah, I had the same like sweating, flu-like symptoms. I weaned down like they said over two or three week period as fast as I could tolerate. And then when I cut it out, yeah, I had the same like sweating, flu-like symptoms. I had this sensation of ants crawling under my skin.

I remember like lying in my parents' bed being like, wow, this is really uncomfortable. I bet if I took one, it would go away. And I remember thinking that and being like, hell no. But what I should have done is just gone down slower, instead of just stopping. But I'm so tired of being on them after a year of sedation from painkillers, so awful. Do you think going through all that, because I mean, when you hear about the medications

you were on, the arthritis you had as a kid, which was so bad you had to have joints replaced, going through the whole process. You think that just made you, do you look back and be like, I'm glad I did that because it's made me who I am and I'm really tough or you like fuck that that's that's that I don't regret very many things because I think that's made me tougher like you said. I would like to stop other people from going through the same thing. They can have other things they go through that make them tough. I think it's unnecessary.

So it's mostly that. Like, it's like nobody needs. The frustrating thing about the joint replacements is like, hip is pretty good, the ankle, it's just, it's not a real ankle. A real ankle is way better than a replaced ankle. A replaced ankle is better than an ankle with no cartilage. But like, it's not great

And if I'd found the diet and been able to put myself into a mission faster You could have saved the ankle, but the ankle's like is gone. So it's frustrating to be like well, that's just me Yeah, now as a mom right going through all that as a kid and all that stuff and you know you you have a A different view of the medical system than most people because you got to see the bad side of it. How are you with your children going to the doctor and dealing with things? Are you like, you have to like carefully pick the right dog because you think they're like, you're a super hippie mom now or what? Yeah, so like, where are you on that spectrum?

Are you like the super crunchy hippie? Yeah, I'm like way into hippie zone. And I do not have the personality of a hippie person. You don't know this at all. So you're not like all that sweet. Oh yeah. You're like fuck up. Yeah, so no, I've told her, I mean, I've told her

that there are good doctors and bad doctors. And just because they're a doctor, you don't trust them. But I tell her that for like any authority figure. There's just people, like just because they have a title doesn't mean they're a doctor, you don't trust them. But I tell her that for like any authority figure. There's just people, like just because they have a title doesn't mean their trust would be, if anything be more skeptical. But we've pretty much avoided the medical system. Now I work with some good doctors,

like especially since we got sick from mold, I'm working with a great doctor. And now that it's like 2023, you can go out and find good doctors. So we just avoid the like mainstream medical system. If I ever needed to bring her to a doctor for whatever reason, it would be a specialist in whatever's wrongs like mold or an integrated doctor. Are you doing, are you doing traditional births? Or are you doing at home or? Are you doing traditional births? Or are you doing at home or in a...

Oh, traditional. I was figuring out how far... Like real traditional, yeah, yeah, how far back it's traditional. Also, you're gonna do that home. Yeah, I had Scarlet at home. That's great. Yeah. Have you talked about that at all?

I did, I didn't talk much about it. I had a blog at the time, so I was blogging a lot. But I was so traumatized with the medical system that I was having panic attacks going into hospitals. Bad place to give birth, if you're... I was saying the middle of a panic attack? Yeah, not great.

So usually when people ask me like, what do you think I should do? I say go wherever makes you feel safest and give birth there. So a lot of people there, they have a lot of trust in hospitals and they can get set up and then they feel like they've got back up people there in case anything goes wrong And they're gonna freak out if they're those people aren't there then they're probably better off in a hospital

But I did research on How often there are interventions used and I mean they're used in hospitals. They're not used at home. Why? I Don't know but I'm going to stay down. I hate hospital. It's really smell weird. The lighting's bad. There's always buzzing noises. There's weird smells. And also, so, so I was enlightened on this as a, on our podcast. So we did a podcast. I don't remember what episode it was early on. And I made a comment, something along the lines of like, oh women, you know, modern medicine is safe,

so many women, because women used to die from childbirth all the time, okay? Just a passing comment. A midwife emails us and says, you're totally wrong. Like natural childbirth is very successful, very whatever. And so I looked into it and there was a documentary, the business of being born, you might have seen that.

I don't know if you've seen that. I haven't heard of that. Oh, Cal, you gotta watch that. Oh, you gotta love that, especially, you're to watch that. Oh, you got to love that especially You're about to give up does sound fun. Yeah, especially especially since you're about to give birth So it was about how the C section ray is for the roof and there's the The escalating interventions that tend to happen in the hospital where you go in you're not progressing fast enough Here's a patosan. Oh now she's painful, epidural, now you can't push the baby out,

see section type of deal, and it blew my mind because I watched it say everything's in emergency. Yeah, I'm like a horse, this makes perfect sense, like why it would be this way. So we did, we tried to do it natural with my three year old, didn't work out, we experienced the scale of interventions with him, which was like, oh my gosh, it's terrible. And then my youngest, we were able to do it the way we wanted to. And it was such an incredible experience. But I remember learning from a midwife and they said, look, when animals are giving birth in nature,

when danger comes, where they feel danger, their body stops giving birth, so you can get away. So if you're, the reason why a lot of times moms are like, oh, I'm in labor, taking the hospital, and I'm like, oh, labor stopped. Because of the anxiety and the fear, I'm in the car, get over here, prod you, check you, whatever,

you want to create an environment where it's like, you feel totally safe, so the whole process. And that's where I think her advice actually to people that ask, that's a really good advice. But I'm just gonna say, top of the list. So where you feel safe, yeah. Well, the thing that really got me

was that if you get stressed out and your cortisol goes up, which just happens if you get stressed out, that directly lowers oxytocin, which is what induces contractions. That's enough. Don't stress out. So whatever you do,

like get ready to be as zen as possible and let your body do its thing. And then your body knows what to do. Generally speaking. Yeah, not to mention, this is such a fascinating topic, because like here ago, we just had dollia, but not to mention just the, like, the contractions that you get naturally versus the ones that are induced by pitosa. Yeah. Pitosa contractions are like, boom, like very regular. They hit your heart. Whereas the natural, it's almost like the body will go with as far as you I do this by Potosi. Yeah. Potosi and contractions are like, boom! Like very regular. They hate your heart.

Whereas the natural, it's almost like the body will go with as far as you can tolerate. In fact, there's like a period of break. There's like a break when you're, you're, oh, we're getting there. And then all of a sudden, you have like 30 minutes of no contractions. And then the next one's coming. And then it's time to push, type of deal. This happens in natural childbirth. I had no idea.

Yeah. And the midwife's like, oh, your body is working with you. I'm like, like, God. Of course. Our doula and the doctor almost got into a fight. It was crazy how fast they wanted to push. Yeah, one of the same experience. And she was, and the doctor's telling Katrina that

and the doula is looking at her and saying, no, you don't have to. You're fine. You're fine. That's so stressful. Crazy, right? Right in the middle of that, like, have fun with not having high quarters all

And that's right. Please right. Please are you gonna have scarlet there? She gonna watch is she gonna be in the when you push or you can have her out? Oh, no, I think it's too much Maybe right just wild Well some people have their Never have a kids after that. That's real hippie. So Yeah, Too far. Yeah.

All family. So Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, How is she? A little girl. Is she.

I mean, you were, you were rebellious about, you said when you grow up. Was she, is she like that, too? She have your spirit. She's more stubborn than me. I don't think I actually was that stubborn. I think I was just really sick and then really angry from all the medication. Like I really think it was that.

She's more stubborn than me, but she's really easy. She's a really easy kid. It was rough, like we moved from Canada to Nashville to Miami and now we're in Arizona. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, because we moved to Nashville and she got sick. And I started seeing symptoms that she had that I had when I was a kid, like chronic bronchitis.

And she wasn't like running around being a happy little kid, which she was doing in Canada. She was just like sad, kind of, I don't know if it was depressed, but suddenly she got quiet. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's got bronchitis all the time. And she's quiet Something's wrong something's wrong. So I had to terrify you. Oh, just horrible And I was like I got her tested for tree allergies yet all the tree allergies. I was like okay There's not heading in a good direction and so we moved a bunch because I thought it was tree allergies at the beginning

But it turned out it was these stupid moldy houses. So she now we move to Arizona and we're really aware of like what's in our environment. She's a completely different little girl running around. She's way more extroverted than she's been in like two years. Her stomach aches are gone. Like so. I noticed a change in my son's personality. Yeah. There's way more irritable. I mean, he's the oppositional anyway. I mean, he's going to be his son and my wife is even worse than I am.

But he's definitely happier. He's less like annoyed or whatever. So, and we think it's that. And it's only been, it's only been a couple months. Yeah. Has to make you think like how many parents are dealing with that and have no idea. Well, they give their kids, you know,

education, so they're not with them with nothing. Because they don't know. They have no idea. How, they give their kids, you know, medications, or something, with a thing, because they don't know, they have no idea. How did you work out, if you don't mind me asking, how did you work out custody with Scarlett? And that was such a tough, that was so hard for me, because my ex-wife and I split, we're dual custody, we work together, we live close to each other,

but that's so hard because every, still, I mean, now I'm like, what is it, seven years, eight years later, you know, saying buy to my kids every other week. It's really, really tough. How do you guys manage that? It's miserable to the pregnancy hormones has made that so much harder. Really? Like, I could stuff it down.

Mama Bear comes out more or whatever. It's brutal. You can kind of, because you're in that situation. And that's the situation. You have to make the best of it. So you kind of like stuff down. You're like, yeah, no problem. Like go have fun.

I'll see you next week type of thing. But with pregnancy hormones, whoof. It's like gonna make me cry now. It's rough. So you guys do it. You guys split custody? Yeah, we split custody. We go back and forth weekly and he's moved to.

Oh, I was just gonna say. So he lives near it. Well, that's good. So you guys work, I mean, together generally, to co-parent. Yes. Okay. Well, obviously if he moved here, I'm a man. I mean, I had a bit of negotiation.

Well, I asked because. I was in a negotiation for sure. Yeah. Well, because when I talk about it on the show, I always get messages from moms and dads because their situation is much more challenging where the other person doesn't want to participate and that's gotta be tough. Yeah, we're trying to. Yeah, we're trying to use that to move out of California

and that's why I can't because I won't be in near my kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys worked that out all right That's good. Yeah, having money helps those situations. Yeah, it does a lot. Yeah, so you got yeah, you must have purposely Moved Arizona then because of the dry weather. Yeah Wow, and I mean I really like Scottsdale Like I really like Scottsdale, but it was I was like I'm never dealing. I'm pretty sure most houses I looked at the stats to have a mold issue. Yep And in places like Florida like you have to actively try to not like it's impossible It's too humid there. Yeah, so I, well, Florida is not the place to be.

I'm going to the desert. I was so sick. I was like, I'm going to the desert, scarlet sick. I don't want her to get sicker and then develop something. The doctor I was talking to was like, little kids recover really quickly. If they've been exposed to mold, you're going to have a harder recovery than her. She just needs to get out of it. But if she stays in it,

then that can progress into auto-immunity and all these allergies and things. So I was like, okay, we need to get out. Desert. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Smart. So when you were younger during all that, were you dating?

Did you bring boys home? What was it like with your dad? And like, so he seems like he could be an awesome. He was dating. He was intimidating. I an awesome. He's doing all the same. He's intimidating. I always say, yeah. He was intimidating, you know. He was intimidating.

Intimidating. So the first person, and this was just like a middle school like date type of thing. Like pretty, so pretty. Yeah, the first person I brought over who told me that he loved me and I told my parents, I don't know how it got. I think my dad would probably ask,

like does he love you looking at me? And he had like a sit down with the person. Oh my God. Who was just this like kid? Yeah. Who's like why do you love my daughter? I'm like yeah, it's like, okay, this is not ideal. So.

Who are your intentions? Yeah. It was not, yeah, not ideal. What are your intentions? Yeah. It was not, yeah, not ideal. There's a lot of you. What are your intentions? So it was a tough then just bring your boys home and try to. I don't know how to imagine. He probably made a lot of boys feel really stupid.

I feel like, I mean, because he's so intelligent, I think that he could probably just unpack anybody. Yeah, I would have loved it because that's a year. I like to sit and talk. You're a tort like that. Yeah, so. But I it because that's a mirror. I like to sit and talk, like that. Yeah, so, but I could see how that would also scare the shed as if kids. So, yeah.

He's a compassionate guy, though. So, he wasn't just gonna terrify them and be like, how, what about mom, how was she? When you, she, mom is a scarier person. That's what he says, too. It was true. I used to, so bring friends home. And my friends initially would be scared of dad because he's louder

And then after like the second time they came over like oh no your mom is the scary one Oh, she's see oh mom was a scary one, but she's really good at she's really good at Boundaries and judging people and figuring out what people want. She's like more skeptical, but she's spot on Oh, and my dad's more trusting. And so people get in. I had one night where, this isn't like my debauchers years, I was, they're like, what are you doing tonight? It's like, I'm going over for a sleepover with my friend.

And I'd ask my dad if I could go do things, because he'd say yes. And so I asked him, he's like, yeah, go ahead. And my mom was like, you know, first like where? Who's going to be there? No. So that was like mom, but she was like spot on. She was completely right. So, so the dad would say yes. Does yeah, yeah, that's fine. So when you say no, when managing, so you're protective because you said you manage this brand and to make sure nobody, you just mentioned like nobody takes advantage or comes in. So when you're protective because you said you manage this brand

and to make sure nobody, you just mentioned like nobody takes advantage or comes in. So sorry, were you like the gatekeeper for a while? Because you're down to more stuff. Still is, yeah. You still are. Yeah, yeah, still am. I also think it's been hard for him

to get an online following maybe when he's older and being so compassionate. So usually when people come up to him and say, okay, I'm gonna do this for you, because I want to. And he goes, oh, this is a great person. I was like, no, what do they want? Is what do they want?

And so I'm the person there that goes, what do they want? And like if they don't want anything, what do they really want? Because that doesn't happen. Right. That like, you come across the rare person that does something for nothing. But I know I'm so skeptical now compared to what I was five years ago. I don't think most people are like that. I'm working on my uncle.

That's who that is for us. Well, we're the reason people are here that. I'm fortunate. We have my uncle, that's who that is for us. Yeah, well we're all pretty stupid, too, for sure. But we're older, so we've been around for a little while. Yeah, but I can only imagine, like, right, and we're in the similar boat, because we weren't social media people until all this stuff. And so, you know, if you get somebody who tells you, oh, you're not doing this, and I can help you do that,

and it's like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing here. Yeah, that's when they get you at the beginning, when you're like, no, like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing here. And yeah, that's when they get you at the beginning when you're like, no, you're right. I don't know what I'm doing. So we went through that brutally, like as a family for the first three years of growing social media and having dad's brand with business people coming in, frickin business people coming in and you're like, I'll run it. I know what I'm doing. You don't have a business to you.

You don't know. And we're like, well, I don't know. And you sound like you know what you're like, I'll run it. I know what I'm doing. You don't have a business to do. You don't know. And you're like, well, I don't know. And you sound like you know what you're doing. And we just got raked over the coals from some business people. Really? Oh yeah, taking huge amounts of money for nothing, for making our lives a lot more difficult.

Oh wow. Setting up corporate structures to keep dad from being sued. Just in ways that were so stupid, it's hard to even describe how badly things were run. But it took three years to figure out that, because they're like old lawyers and things, like, oh, you have a practice and you got recommended to us. So you must be okay. But I've just made the rule that if you're hiring or talking to someone and you don't know what they're talking about and they tell you it's because you just don't get it, then don't work with them.

Because if they can't explain it to a five year old, they really don't know what they're talking about it anyway. 100%. That's like, for me, one of the biggest red flags whenever somebody comes to us and tries to talk to us about, you know, working together, partnership, or whatever, if you can't sell what you do to me in like less than 30 seconds to where I understand it, no, that's a huge red flag.

But you should at least be able to do that. And we've had a few people that sit down and like an hour into it. And we've got to know what you do. We've got to what you do. Yeah. How was it taken hour to figure out what somebody does? Because they don't even know what you do. You don't have a business degree. Oh, those aren't even words you're using. They're made up words. Don't give me that. That's so awesome. I love that. Do you have a, is there like a goal or an in-game for you and building all this? Like do you have like, oh, I want there like a goal or an in game for you and building all this?

Like do you have like, oh, I want to reach a certain point or build it to this and then sell it off? Or is this something I want to do until I'm old? Like have you thought that far? Like what's your, what's all the things that you're building you have your hands in? Yeah, a bit. So Peterson Academy assuming that's not a giant flop, which I don't think it's going to be. I think that will work out.

If that brings in money, I'd like to become wealthy enough that I can start to impact the healthcare system, because I think that the people that impact society are like the billionaires. And so that's why I'm working on things, because the healthcare system just like wrecked my family It almost killed most people in my family and there's so many it's so badly done Mm-hmm. It's so badly run and I feel like if money could get pumped into certain sectors or if the propaganda used was actually true information As opposed to like here's the standard food pyramid. Like I feel like if somebody had enough money,

they could start to influence that. Yeah. So that's what I want to do. So I want to make enough money. So I have my hands and all these pies. What's the saying? Oh, pots. Is it?

You can't say pies. Well, I don't know why you would have a head and a pie. OK. It's the fire. I guess the fire is the fire. Is what it is. I mean, we understand pie for a long time. It might be the pregnancy. We heard the fire. That's what it is. I mean, we understand. I'm not pie for a long time.

It might be the pregnancy. We're in the hands and pies. You know how they make vegan food that looks like meat? Fake nuggets. Do you get fake? Fakes and numbers? Fakes and numbers? Yeah, I mean, tell yourself out.

I'm trying to make it around meat. Maybe if I make something crunchy, it'll resemble lettuce. I've had a bunch of thought about making things crunchy, but meat tastes like meat. Yeah, you can make it into chips at least. Meat chips, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I know, it's chip, yeah. You've had the pork chips. Oh, yeah, but what pork rinds? I've just had some chips that I did that were like. Yeah, but they use some fillers in that too to keep it to make it a chill. You know carnivore snacks is meat and salt. Oh, yeah, the ones that Doug had was just meat and salt. Oh, yes, I did have. Yeah, those are really good. Yeah, so those are good. So you can make meats into chips. And then you have like soup, I guess, in different

forms of like, mushyness of meat or crispiness of meat. Is there a corner workbook? Yeah, I have a ton of recipes on my website from like, six years of desperately trying to get some variety into my life. But, other than you're excited about, do you have any recipes? You're like, oh, yeah, I can do this. Oh, yeah, I want to to make you can slice tendons apparently,

and then boil them and deep fry them and they turn into puffs like pork rice. Yeah, it's interesting. And I saw that during pregnancy, and I was like, that I need those puffy tendons, maybe. What's the oil you use? Tallow? Tallow. Okay, so it's all beef. Yeah, it's literally just different all the time. Yes That's great. How it so Was it you that got it that invited us to Ark because I feel like that was the connection that got us invited to go over there

I helped with dad was like who should we bring? I was like well She's probably bring people with an audience, then they'll talk about what they experienced, maybe. That's what I would do if I was trying to spread awareness about an event. So yeah, I helped put together the list. Awesome. Was it cool? That was amazing.

It was great. Funny day. This is why I wasn't there. It was funny. I was looking forward to seeing you. A lot of people couldn't figure out why we were there. Because you have, I mean, it was like a government parliament. Like you're stuck out a little bit.

Oh yeah, well, they were like, there were a lot of government people. It was like, you don't need government people there. We need podcasters. Yeah, right. Okay. No, it was just that little bit.

It was incredible. It was, when the politicians would get up to speak, you could tell. We were less than just, I didn't even know they were politician. You could you know they you know politicians talk It's like I'm a little over here, but I'm over here too, and I like everybody, but I don't like this and say yeah I hate that yeah, that was actually a bit of debate by us cuz Sal made the pull Wow, why why Jordan had him there? No, I mean he's got to probably asked to have some of them on his side So part of it is to help influence. Yeah, to help influence.

So because he's like, so weird that he would have them speak because they didn't feel like it was aligned with everybody else. That was my speculation. I don't know everybody who spoke, but Dad's also like, he's been interested in politics since he was a kid. He was volunteering with the NDP party in Canada.

I guess the, yeah, new Democratic party. So I've just deleted Canada from my brain as a place of existence. But he'd volunteered there as a kid and he thought about becoming Prime Minister. I know when I was a kid, like it came up, like maybe this, even though he wasn't involved in politics. So he likes it. God, I wish he became Prime Minister. It're nice to have our neighbor to the north. He's saying, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that would be nice. I'd be nice to go back and visit there without this like feeling of horror in the air that's still there. You know, COVID's like long gone. Crazy. Do you know if he plan, is,

is art going to become a annual thing? There was, we were all speculated too. I remember Max thought it was going to be like the TED Talk, like a more conservative TED Talk. And there's going to be more of these coming out that'll be virtually, or is it going to be an annual thing you think? I think it's going to be an annual thing.

Oh, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be, that'll be very cool. And I liked it. I was super skeptical at the beginning, because I'm always skeptical. So I was like, who are these art people? And what do they want?

You just want the marketing power. And what are we getting in return? But then I went and sat in on a board meeting and they're really focused. I do think that those people are really focused on trying to send a more positive message for the future. Yeah. So I was like, okay, I can get behind that. No, it felt that.

I mean, I literally got emotional handful times for some of the speeches. Oh, that's cool. I've seen some pretty motivational ones got emotional handful of time. Yeah, I was speeches. Oh, that's cool I've seen some pretty motivational ones that came out of that. Yeah, the girl the CEO so who ran it was super impressive Oh, she came up with fire her opening speech was I mean you to be in there and not get like goosebumps from it Oh, that's cool. I haven't seen that's Philip Yeah, yeah, yeah, she ripped right out the gates and there were a lot of talks that were really really good So we had a really great time. Great.

I was sorry to miss that. And I was like, eight hour time difference from Scottsdale or something like that. Plus wine. I'm too like. I'm not pregnant. It was rough. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. No way. Sorry, are you going to take a break from working stuff? I think I have to, I'm gonna podcast up until December and then that'll be a month away from the due date. So the next two weeks are like, oh my gosh, there's a lot of podcasts the next two weeks. So I'm stacking all the podcasts so that I can release

through February. So that's a month off after. And I think I'm being being optimistic about how fast it takes to recover, because I remember with Scarlett, it was pretty rough for like, I think it was six weeks. It was like, maybe this time it won't be like that. So I'd rather keep working. I really like working.

I got something for you, because now you're like, okay, I have more flexibility, more money, get a postpartum, physical therapy, have them come to your house because you can, there's a company called Luna that you could work with. So then if you can't work through them, try and find one that comes to your house. If you do corrective, like specific to postpartum exercise, night and day, in fact, it's the most, I think it should be mandated.

The issue is available there because your body goes through, not right now. I know. The ab separation is horrifying. Yeah, you have muscle, your muscle recruitment patterns are different. And they have to be, because you have a different shape and whatever. And then you have the baby and people are just like, yeah, do nothing until, no, really good correctional exercise so that it's appropriate.

Nightingay, you'll recover so much faster. So yeah, look into that.'m looking to that. Yes. Yeah, I was told so with Scarlett. I was Like 10 days afterwards. I was like oh hormones are gone and feeling more like myself This is great and I just picked up a like seven pound with a seven pound baby. So like 15 pounds with car seat Because I was supposed to go see cold play because my dad had been invited backstage and I was like not miss an ad is amazing. I love cold play and I picture up and I throw out my back. Yeah. That was way worse than childbirth. That hurts like I couldn't move. So then I was in bed for like a month from throwing out my back because

I had like no abs because it was 10 days after giving birth. Yeah. Yeah, do you think? I'm not doing that again. Do the postpartum therapy and then we'll send you if you don't already have access. You should have access to all our programs, but if you don't, we have a program called Map Starter, which is perfect after the therapy. So after you get cleared, then you follow that worthwhile investment though to have someone there for sure.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that specializes in this. We'll have the time. Okay. and there are people that'll come before like the six week period that you're supposed to wear. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We'll do very like baby movements for you at first. That's really, and then ease you in.

In fact, the postpartum doula, if you're working with them, sometimes knows certain things that will help as well. I just have midwives right now. I don't have a doula. Yeah, yeah, it's called postpartum doula. There's some more. Midwives, no, I mean, midwives are like the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's called postpartum. There's some more. The midwives, no, I mean, the midwives are like the top. Yeah, yeah, so.

But like the postpartum one literally comes to your house. So we had someone come to the house every day for four hours. And this was four, I wanna say the first eight weeks, I think we did it. And they know the foods to prepare. They know obviously baby care, infant care, mom care, helpful breastfeeding, all that stuff. Okay, cool.

Yeah. So worth it. Good, duh. I'm just gonna get all the people. Unfortunately, we're running out of time because we had to book a studio, so that sucks, I have to cut this, but it's so great seeing you again. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah, and I'm so excited.

I just found out that you were pregnant because he told us that we weren't supposed to say anything. So I'm like, oh my God, I'm so pumped. And now, well, this is so great. Now that we know you're here, we actually come over here, at least a couple times a year to speak over here. So we'll come over here and we'll link back up with you for sure. Oh, cool. Another way to this place is here. So we'll make sure. Yeah. Great. But thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at Mind Pump Media.com. The RGB Superbumble includes MAPSANabolic, MAPS Performance, and MAPS Esthetic.

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