Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2251: Ways to Fix Back Pain, How to Train When Working the Night Shift, the Advantages of Three Day Per Week Full-Body Workouts & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

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include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Ladies, if you wanna lose weight, do this. Train and eat like a body builder. It's the best step you could take to getting a lean body. This one I heard recently, because Adam said it. I'm still right there. I thought you were gonna steal it. I thought you were gonna steal it right there. I did, I took it said it. I'm still there. I'm still there.

I did, I took it from you. I read that somewhere. No, I love that because it's true. It's so true. The last person you would think that you should eat and train like if you're a female who's overweight, wants to lose weight, is a bodybuilder. Bodybuilder was trying to get bigger, so you think like, I'm not going to eat like those guys, but the reality is the high protein diet, the lifting weights, the bumping up calories, trying to get bigger. So you think like, I'm not gonna eat like those guys, but the reality is the high protein diet,

the lifting weights, the, you know, bumping up calories, trying to build muscle. Trying to build muscle, speed up the metabolism. It's exactly training. Like a linebacker. It's that one didn't take off. Not really, no. But yeah, I mean, it's exactly what they should do,

100%. And that's just it. I think that, and it seems so counter to what I think that that client would think, right? If I can only imagine when I was a 23 year old trainer and having a female client come in who's needing to lose 30 or 40 pounds and I could just imagine her purchasing training and I say, okay, we're going to train like a bodybuilder. All that would go over. You have to wait for the free day cancellation to be over first.

Pretty sure that she'd be out the door right away. But that, I mean, that's the truth. The truth is that, you know, when you are in a position where you were trying to reduce body fat, lose a significant amount of weight, say anything over 15, 20 pounds of body fat you want to lose, you know, the best thing that you could possibly do to make that as easy and as sustainable as possible

would be to speed your metabolism up. And in order to do that, it requires for most people, meaning like 99.9% of everybody, to increase their protein intake, eat in a caloric surplus, and lift weights trying to build muscle, which is like hypertrophy, right, training like a bodybuilder. So, and that is what's going to put that female client who wants to lose 30 pounds in the best position to lose those 30 pounds and keep it off the rest of the day. I'll say it differently. Would you rather be able to eat a lot in B-Leanigne or would you rather have to eat a very little amount

to Beligne, right? So that's what we're talking about, is putting you into position to where your metabolism is much faster, it's much more sustainable, and then you're also lean, and lean is different than just weight loss or weight, right? Body weight is measuring total body mass. Leanness, that's what we're all looking for.

Like who cares what the scale says, you want to be lean, you want to have nice shape, the scale lies all the time. I mean, you could be, you could weigh very little and be very flabby, you could weigh much more and look a lot leaner because muscle is extremely... Then you're just a lot more energetic, you're more active, you, I mean, it's much more enjoyable in that state than the other alternative approach where you end up just being fatigued all the time and you're just sort of begrudgingly going through the motion and trying to make sure you're still on that. Oh my God, 90 different. I mean, compared to the two, right, which the common thought around the female client trying

to lose 30 pounds is, I'm gonna cut my calories, I'm gonna move like crazy, push my body till I can't go anymore. When you're eating like that, when you're eating your deprived of calories, and normally most people when they cut calories from where they're currently at, they're also nutrient deprived,

so you're not feeding your body the nutrients it needs, so it's gonna, your energy level's gonna be low You're going to have rough time sleeping. Your mood's going to be shitty. You're going to feel fatigued in your workouts. You're going to inflame. Oh yeah. Just it's such an awful place. And then at that point, it's literally just like who can suffer the most the longest, you know, in order to try and reach this goal. Whereas if you go the other direction, you are feeding yourself adequate nutrients that your body needs. And your building muscle, you're not training

to absolute failure and exhaustion. You should be leaving the gym and you actually feel like you have more energy than when you showed up there, which then in turn helps you sleep better at night, which in turn helps you have more energy throughout your day. It's a better hormone profile.

Oh man, it's nine day different. Yeah, because, and by the way, we all made this mistake as trainers early in our careers. The difference between the success I brought to my clients, and there's a lot of factors that factor into this, but this was the main, what's one of the main ones? The difference between the clients I trained, let's say the first seven years, and then the back,

you know, whatever, 12 years or 13 years was dramatic. When I figured this out, before I figured this out, my statistics were like any other statistic you see with weight loss, right? Like my clients, so long as they were training with me and following my meal plans, cutting calories, doing all this stuff, they would lose weight. Nobody kept it off. The fail rate was very high. In fact, if you look at the data, it's something like 90%, or close to 90%.

So people lose weight, but then they gain it back. Almost 100% of the time, they'll gain it back. I'm frustrated as that, and we're celebrating with them. Like, yeah, we got there, and then it just comes right back. I would lie to myself, I would say it's their lack of discipline. I never said to myself until the very end when this became painfully obvious, and never said to myself, like, end when this became painfully obvious and never said to myself like

I'm not sending up for that sending them up for success. I'm training executives. I'm training responsible discipline individuals and every other aspect of their life and I'm the excuse that I'm making why they gain the way back is they're not disciplined enough. This doesn't make any sense like what's going on and what it was is I just my approach was totally wrong. I made it unsustainable. The back half, when I figured the cell, got the metabolism faster, we worked out less because it was more effective, not harder, just more effective.

Everybody thinks more effective means harder. No, it means literally just more effective. My success rate doubled. Now, it was never 100% because there's always a discipline component. There's always behavior changes. But I'm talking about 30, 40% would gain the way back. A majority kept it off forever.

That's significant difference from when I first started. And the difference was the approach. By the way, it's not just the muscle that burns more calories. Because everybody thinks, oh, you have actual more muscle mass that burns more calories. That's true, that's part of it, but it's not a direct ratio. A pound of muscle doesn't just burn X amount more calories because you're going to get

knuckleheads that are going to go on and be like, well, this data shows that a pound of muscle in the burns 15 calories or 30 calories or five calories or whatever study they pull up. That's not how it works. If you send this signal to the body to build muscle, you fuel your body appropriately. You get adequate sleep. You don't have any nutrient deficiencies. Hornbone is a balance.

In other words, you're doing this the healthy way. If you do this the right way, you do build muscle, but your body also becomes less efficient with calories. Anyway, in other words, the same amount of muscle that you have. You could have the same amount of muscle and your body can burn more or less calories. And the metabolism is so complex, there are so many different ways your body can try to conserve or try to burn more calories. One example is your body's ability to warm itself up.

So you may find when you go low calorie and if you really pay attention to this, this happens, you find yourself getting cold more often, right? This happens if you lose a lot of sleep, too. If you have poor sleep, you'll find you're cold more often because not sleeping, not eating enough, tells your body or your under stress, your body conserves calories by reducing the amount of calories it uses to warm you up. So you start to feel kind of cold. Another one is you reduce movement throughout the day. They've actually tracked people. People don't even know this. They'll track people's movement. They'll bump their calories, reduce their calories.

The person's movement will go up or down. And now how? Little things, standing a little longer, tapping their foot a little bit more, moving the arms more when they talk. And those are just the ones we can measure. Then there's all these complex systems in the metabolism. I mean, if you were to look at what we understand

about mammalian metabolism, it's almost nothing because it's so complex. Your body becomes more or less efficient based off of its signal. So it's really, really what you're trying to do is this. You're trying to create an environment where your body says we can burn more calories. This is safe and we need more muscle because we need strength. If you do that and you do it properly, then weight loss becomes a lot easier. It's so much easier to do it the right way

than it is to do it the way that everybody else tries to do it, which is they fail. And who figured this out? Bodybuilders. Bodybuilders are ones that figured this out because their job is to be on stage. Okay, now I'm not saying do everything that bodybuilders do. They do a lot of things that are crazy too.

Like human labs. Yeah, but generally speaking, a bodybuilder's goal, and I know it's extreme, so I'm not talking about the extreme crazy stuff, so everybody relax. But if you look at the goal of a bodybuilder, it's to get as, not as light as possible. Nobody cares how much a bodybuilder weighs. It's to get as lean as possible

and preserve as much muscle as possible. The athlete in the world, and maybe you can label an athlete, the best athletes in the world that have somewhat figured this out, are bodybuilders. And what do they do? High protein diet, they try to do what are called bulks. And there's a right way to do that as well. And they focus on strength training, this is primary form of training. Now they make mistakes as well. But that approach is superior to the typical approach, which

is, I'm just going to go start running and I'm just going to start eating less. Like that is a, that is 100% a recipe for failure. You will gain the way back. It's not going to work for you. You just, you were talking about, like, neat as far as like the tapping and like the things that we do subconsciously that we don't even realize that we do. And I guess I would throw this in this category even though I'm actively making the choice to do that, but it's so subconscious that I don't realize it.

Katrina and I were just talking about this literally two nights ago. And I've brought it up on the show again. I just want to highlight it because it's like, you know, I've been doing this for over 20 years now. And I'm only now like really a self-aware of how much this makes an impact on me and my life, my relationship, my as far as what I am as a partner and a father in our household. It is so wild.

The how I am at home, movement wise and helping around the house after a day that I've lifted versus a day that I'm not. There is a direct correlation with, I got a lift in today, when I get home, it's a trip. I come home and if I see the house in disarray, I start straight it up, I take the trash out right away. I don't even feel like a slug.

But I don't even think about subconscious, right? Like I don't even, I'm not like, oh, I need to go do this, or oh, I'm in this mood, and so I just do it. And then on the days, like, and I'm having that day today, like I'm feeling sluggish today, I didn't lift today, I'm tired already, it's like we're not even out of here yet, and I'm already, I can already envision myself driving home

right now. This is what's making me think of this too right now, it's because I'm like, I'm all ear tags I've been sitting too long, I'm just sitting. No, no, and I'm already, I can already envision myself driving home right now. This is what's making me think of this too right now, it's cause I'm like, I'm all ear tigs, I've been sitting too long. I'm just like, no, no, I'm with you. Like, that's how I feel right now. And so, that's what's, this is why it's just,

you know, top of mind for me right now is, I'm going, like, I'm already, man, I can't put my feet up when I get home, I'm relaxed. And it's such a trip, like, how much that impacts everything. And then also, that impacts my relationship because when my wife, I come home and I'm the guy who comes in and does the dishes and helps out and I'm playing physical with my son

and I'm like, oh, knocking out some things that she needed done around the house. And it's like, and I'm not even squawking about it. It's no big deal. It's like, it's crazy how much better we are. And then the times when I come home out of day like this, I'm like, oh, I'm tired. I don't wanna do anything. I don't feel like it's like,

it's a, and so the, the motivate and the reason why I'm sharing this is that it shifted the way I even have motivated about training because you see the other, the other influences. Yeah. And at what point like there, and obviously we have people that listen to this podcast that have been that have been lifting for as long or longer than I have. At some point, the PR chasing the body building, abs, getting on stage, proving I'm more ripped than the next guy, running faster, jumping higher. Like, yeah, at one point you tackle all that. And I'm not taking away from how amazing it feels to be the most ripped guy there,

or how amazing it feels to hit a PR on a squat, or what, those are all cool and all, those are great, and those are all fun to train for and chase after. But it takes a real level of discipline and consistency to hit those things. But to just say, make the choice of like, I'm gonna go make sure

I get movement in and lift and do a couple things to create good physical activity, maybe get a little bit of a pomp and get some blood flow going. Man, that doesn't take a lot of effort to do that and what impact it makes on the rest of my life. Put you in a healthier state of mind. Oh yeah. I totally, it's the same struggle, you know,

and I notice it and that's one of those things. Like, I know now I have to, like I'll go solve it. Like I just know what I gotta do, and like I'll just go do specific movements or things to help, like at least set my posture right, like get my muscle some stimulus. It doesn't necessarily have to be like that rigorous of a workout or anything.

It just has to be like, I have to trigger that response and get my body like in a different state. So that affects my brain, the effects way I think, that's the effects way I communicate with people. It's all like this downstream effect. Sleep too, big time person. If I have a day when I lifted that night, going to sleep and the way I sleep is like,

a whole different game. You know, this is the main I sleep is like a whole different game. You know, this is the main, this is one of the main reasons. First off, this is the, this is what you have to figure out if you want to be consistent long-term with exercise. If you only connect it to how you look and even performance, at some point, that's going to, you're not seeing the full picture and it's going to be very hard to maintain. At some point, that's going to, you're going to, that's going to decline and at some point, you're going to, you're going to capture all that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, at one point, you're not seeing the full picture, and it's gonna be very hard to maintain. At some point, you're gonna decline, and at some point, you're gonna capture all that. Yeah, that's right. At one point, you're gonna.

But when you see, because it does, positively, when you do it right, affect everything, including your relationships, and your work, and your performance, and your creativity, and your sleep, and your libido, like all those things, once you start to connect it to all those things, it becomes so valuable in a real way that

it's hard to stop. One of the reasons why I work out early in the morning, one of them is it's easy for me to be consistent. I've got kids, I've got work. If I do it at the end of the day, I'm more likely to not do it, things can get in the way. Consistencies up there, but the second reason why I do it first thing in the morning is because it sets me up so well for work.

Like what we do, right, we're on camera, we're doing the podcast, it requires a certain level of energy and creativity and fluency. You know, I'm not working at a desk where I could kind of be lazy entire, like, you know, we're doing a show, so I got to feel good. It's a very strong, like I've connected it. Like if I work out before we do this, way better. If I don't, way worse. It's a strong motivator for me.

Yeah, yeah. Because of those things. And I think it's important, and obviously the point of us bringing this up or why I started this conversation is that, I don't care what your current goal is, you know, and hopefully everybody reaches whatever their current goal is. At one point, you wanna evolve to a place

that you've now attached it to these other things that are normally bigger than those. Coal, right? Because like you said, like, nothing wrong with chasing a squat PR, nothing wrong with trying to run faster, nothing wrong with trying to get on a bodybuilding stage, nothing wrong with any of those things, right?

But when you learn to connect it to, I'm a better father, I'm a better husband, I'm a better coworker, business partner, I'm better at my craft, you know what I'm doing? I'm in a better mood, I'm a better human, like in like, I get more stuff done. Like I mean, when you start, I sleep better, which that has another trickle down effect from there,

like when you start making the connection to all those things, and then it reframes your approach. Like it doesn't always have to be this. I'm chasing something crazy or I got to crush myself. It actually makes you work out it's more appropriate. Yes. And then becomes like the Justin saying, like, I know what I need to do.

I know how many movements I need to do to get that blood flowing enough to get those benefits. I don't have to go, I mean, I love an hour workout with them. Great pump and you know, felt like I pushed some levers and moved some stuff like I love that. But it doesn't actually take that to reap the benefits I just said. I can get a great night's sleep, be a great father, greet a husband, be productive at home,

and actually just do a handful of movements that I just get going and get some blood flowing. This is why I say that fitness, you can loosely put nutrition in there, right? Fitness nutrition. Those are amazing vehicles for growth because everybody listening right now or everybody in the world, you are a better human if you are more fit and healthier, and you are worse human if you're less fit and less healthy.

That's just the bottom line. Everybody can improve in almost all aspects by simply becoming a healthier person. Of course, health is a large category. It's not just athletic performance, a movement, and diets, also, emotion, health, spiritual health, and the like. But if you're healthier, you're better.

If you're less healthy, you're not so good. That's the bottom line. Well, I think our space, though, has skewed that perspective for most people. Yes. Like, the average person would define as healthy is this ripped cover model looking person. It was funny too.

The truth is, that person is so out of balance and obsessed to look like that. That they're, okay, they're sacrificed from a physiological place. They might be some probably healthy which some of them aren't even there, but on a physiological they are, but maybe emotionally, relationship wise,

all these other things are at a whack because they're so focused on that. Most of us that have pressed that level, and I can speak to this because I was this, right? We're driven by these deep-rooted insecurities that drove you to be that obsessive about obtaining a look, and you did it. It's tough because then it's this self-fulfilling thing where I do it and then I get praised for it.

And then I get put on a pedestal for like, I'm an authority or I'm amazing or I want to be like that or I want to look like that. And it's so crazy. It's like, dude, you don't even realize that. That's not truly what health should kind of look like. No, the leanest that I've ever gotten, I was definitely not the healthiest. For sure, let the healthiest. Probably in my whole active career,

I would, you know, when I got down to like, what I don't know what I got down to, 3%, 4% body fat, I was probably at some of the worst physical health because of the things I had to do in order to accomplish. Now I do believe though, there is, there's tremendous value in intermittently taking the body to some of those extremes.

So I don't think this is me justifying someone to be, oh, this is for me justifying being 15 to 17% body fat year around. I don't know about 3% for a guy, but I think it would be smart for a guy who's consistent to try to get to single-digit body fat and for a woman to get to the high mid teens, just to see what it takes. I think a healthy place for a man to sustain most of his life, most of the time, is somewhere between 11 and 15%. Maybe 17, depending on the genetics. So 11 to 15, we're just gonna say, give or take,

is a really good place to maintain. And then you occasionally dip into the single digits and reap the benefits of that. And very rarely you allow yourself maybe to go higher than 15% but you always kind of keep yourself in that in that place never allowing yourself to really go to any major extremes. To me that's probably the healthiest version of of you. Totally 100% all All right, are you, Adam, we brought up on the show, Justin and I, who are the, you know, we're up to date. We're up to date on weird stuff.

Yeah, okay. Last time we talked to you. Weird authorities. We talked about the Miami Mall. Oh my God, this is still going? No, no, no, no, it's not still going. That's just the last thing we brought up. Oh my God.

It was crazy. Lots of eyewitness accounts of beagons or aliens or something. Nobody knows. No video of anything. Okay. A hundred cop cars. We just want you to pay attention. Just that just happened.

Just pay attention. Okay. I'm telling you, 2024 by the way is by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, do you guys know, cause do you guys know what year in the original Terminator when the war starts? Like when the machines take over and there's a big nuclear war and Reese comes back in time. He's like, uh, I'm assuming 2024 2024. Yeah. Anyway, so so check this out James Cameron knew I think he's part of the aluminum. I'm pretty sure he's been he's been labeled. I mean, the trip off this, this is crazy. Now it's all over X. I'm sure by the time this airs,

it'll be all over other social media. By the way, X has become a formerly known as Twitter is becoming the social media platform where you're gonna get all the stuff nobody else is gonna come news. Yes, because it's obviously blocked into the places. But anyway, there was a, what's it called? It's not a synagogue, It's a chabach.

What's the word? Anyway, it's kind of like a synagogue in New York City. And it is one of the main hubs of this particular sect of the Jewish religion. And chabad. Chabad. They found tunnels going from underneath to other places. And there's video of police going in,

trying to go in the tunnels, close them off, the people who congregate there, they look like Orthodox Jews were like, riding, don't do it. Oh, I didn't see the riding and then throwing a bunch of wood, pews and stuff like that. Like, what was that all over? Bro.

Now, they're saying their argument is, and here's where the conspiracy theory reached. Where do these tunnels lead? Okay. They are like, oh, we built those tunnels during COVID because you guys wouldn't let us go from one synagogue to the other. The evidence shows that the tunnels were built

after COVID just six months ago. So like, yeah, right, not true. There's also video of officials and people trying to pull things out of the tunnel to hide them, including mattresses and baby carriers and weird shit like that. And the mattresses had like weird soil stains on them and stuff in this video of this.

So there's all the speculation that it was like this human trafficking weird shit that was going on in this tunnel. And it's like, now I know the conspiracy there's one nuts with it. Well, what I mean, isn't it believable though? If, okay, if it was true that they couldn't go from synagogue to synagogue back in COVID, that after COVID happened that we would get together

as a congregation and say, here's a deal, if this ever happens together, we're not going to allow this to happen. So let's build these tunnels so we can. It's a good cover. I'm starting to believe Adam's Illuminati. He always goes on Never wants to go long. I just drawn to logic. I'm always like Just drawn to long times can you play devil's advocate for churn the devil

If you peel your face off at some point I mean, I I've never even, I've never even heard them being connected to trafficking. Are they being connected to trafficking already? Like, why would that even be an... There's a lot of old stories and stuff, but who knows, right? Who knows? But what's weird to me is that they were pulling out like mattresses and shit out of these tunnels. And the mattresses had like, there's a whole... Look, the world that we just don't realize.

And that, for me, it just like, if you keep looking, it's almost, it's terrifying. So if you look at like national parks, for instance, and just look at all the statistics and data of people that have gone missing in national parks, like every single national park in America, and they found so many different tunnels, so many different ways that people have had access

to like, trafing people out. And so they're starting to kind of, you know, put two and two together. Like this was a hot spot for people that would like snatch kids, take them and usher them off, you know, to be trafficked somewhere else around the world. Okay, so it's like it's so crazy.

This particular spot, where is your city? If it just goes from one city garden, how's that really how you, how you, that's what they say. Yeah, I know what they haven't seen it. So, I don't know anything about this. Yeah, so, and this is what I'm seeing right now, obviously, we're,

like wouldn't need to be have like a tunnel to like a, a, a, a bay or like a, or an airport or something. Yeah, so they still haven't gone in detail. Right. On where the tunnel goes and what they're chasing yards or whatever. They just like it. And I'm more fascinated by how to someone build tunnels like that that fast. I know.

Like, what do you got? What do you got? They could, I don't know. But this, this particular spot in location, apparently is a headquarters for some of the most influential people in the world that will meet there from all over the world. So that's what the speculation is, like what's going on?

What are they doing? I know. Well, I mean, I'm not, I mean, my cackels per cup, if it's the same people that are on the fucking list for Epstein are also meeting very lightly. That's a little too close to the, it's almost like all the dirty laundry

of the world's gonna be like revealed this year. I feel like, you know, like it was it that big interview with cat William Oh, I haven't watched it's two hours and 45 minutes So you watch some of it. I've watched his Throne person after person under the and he's saying illuminati. He's so okay So help me understand you guys I said it and I knew Doug knew the name I think Justin knew the name right away

Mensa? Mensa. Yeah. It's, it's like high IQ. A level genius level almost. So tell me of, I think 120 is the IQ for that. So I mean, is that, do you apply for it? Do you, how does someone?

You take a test. You take an IQ test. So like anybody can take an IQ test. And then if you reach, if you hit a certain level that you're considered something like that. I think, okay. So one person like that, and he is brilliant.

So Google, Cat Williams, and Ceef, I heard that he's, I heard he's part of that. I heard he's, I heard he's Minsa, which, you don't take test. To me, that's the part that adds credibility to a lot of the stuff that he's saying. If he's got this really high IQ, because of course, all the people that he called out

are trying to discredit him Oh, he does drugs or oh, he's a whole he's a what would it What did what's his name? What's the comedian that he came after? Kevin Hart Kevin Hart say, you know, that was asked like why he hasn't said anything about it and he says do you do Do you engage with the circus or do you just watch the circus or whatever like that? So everybody's like just like dismissive. Yeah, dismissive or trying to discredit him. Nobody is really trying to like argue what he's saying.

Yeah, bad or like come back at him and tell him all the bad things he's done. Right. Like there's no dirt. There's slinging back at him, which is interesting. Yeah, so I find that interesting. What was he saying? What did you see in the clips? He's just saying that like, like, there's, there's in Hollywood that their illuminati exists and is real. And that like, almost all these actors and actresses at one point have this opportunity to choose one way or the other. Good or evil. And they, and, and he gave,

he sort of dropped in names of situa. And he's telling it like this. All these stories I'm telling you are firsthand. This is my experience. These aren't me saying I've heard of the story. Yeah, he's like, he's saying like, me and Ludacris had this option. Me and Kevin Hart were in this situation. Me and so on, like, he was dropping all this dirt on people that he was in the first time.

I mean, you guys, number, there was an actor. I think he had this like exclusive that got buried like his his interview but I mean the the guy that was responsible robot chicken oh yeah oh he threw him under the bus like he threw a bunch of like Hollywood actors under the bus for a lot of stuff for going through rituals that seemed like he is and he apparently has not you look up to see if he's part of Menta According to this Oh He's really smart

Wow, wow, you cannot read a book by its cover, huh? No, I did not know that I used to I used to love cat wear So I love to stand up But his stand up he does not come off like he's not a comedian sharpened witty He's not a shapel though. He come off like he's not a comedian sharpened witty. Yeah, he's not a shapel though. He's not like, he's not like, he's not like, he's not a political like guy who's like dropping like really subtle into, like he's got pretty straightforward comedy. You know, it's funny. It's good. Like, I love this stuff, but I had no idea he was that intelligent. Yeah. I mean, for everyone that's trying to discredit him, you got to give him some sort of

credit in for being that level of intelligent. Like that's- Well, intelligence doesn't mean integrity. You're right, but still though. Yeah, but intelligence doesn't mean integrity, but he's literally telling stories about his integrity. I was gonna say that. That's his entire interview about his integrity. That's exactly what it is.

It's like, I passed up millions of dollars and chose the other way versus where everybody else tends to go. Well, I mean, okay, if this is true, if it is true that there are people that try to control things, then they're going to look at the most influential aspects of the world. And entertainment is at the top.

So is the news. So here's the thing that you look up Operation Mockingbird. If this is true, I feel like, you know, and of course, you know, how do I say this without, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna remove ourselves from this conversation, okay. Logan Paul's and like your other big YouTube podcast influencer type people, the future is there,

they're gonna be, they're the most influential people, right? So at one point, they will be, or we should have some firsthand stories ourselves of Hearing stuff or seeing stuff if that if that's the future. Let me ask you this Let me a first off do you know what operation? My luck in Burgers? Yeah, you've brought this up Yeah, large scale program the United States CIA That began the early years of the Cold War and tempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propaganda purposes. It's a real thing, they try to get into the news, to use it as a way to propaganda's Americans.

Apparently they stopped doing this. This is where the trillions of dollars I brought up last time. Well, I mean, we're just, I'm not going to, I'm not going to name drop, but we were at, in Kava, we were with somebody who quit working for a major news network outlet.

Cause they were in for them. And she said exactly that all during COVID that they had a script to read. I know. I mean, that's the same as video that they showed. Yeah. Everybody decided the same exact lines. That was the creepiest video I've ever seen.

How weird would this be, right? I don't think we're anywhere near big enough for maybe if we are, they know we ask those guys, they're gonna tell everybody. But let's just imagine, like something happens, we go real big, oh my God, mine pumps huge, and then like some will walk in. All right guys, you guys are pretty influential,

so I got a deal for you and starts telling us, what do you guys do? Do we just beat the shadow right away? Or do we do? What do we do? Do we play along, escape? away? What do we do? What do we do? Do we play along? Escape? You're what you're bringing up.

That would be, I would be terrified. What you're bringing up is my point, is that we are moving into an era where Hollywood is not influential anymore. I mean, your kids do not give a shit about Tom Pax. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they won't capture social media. Got people. That's what I'm trying to say to you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm saying that they're going to come after you happening. They're going to come after social media influencers, YouTubers, podcasters, because that's the future of influence. And so it's only a matter, if this is true is what I'm saying, that it's only a matter of time before we should have firsthand experience of funded by like big soda companies. And you know, like all that stuff that kind of got revealed.

Like there's people that are still just like the moral ethics side of it is a little bit like there's gray area there, you know, like don't make decisions. And so it's like a matter of time before even bigger companies like. Well, that's okay. So I mean, there's there's there's a couple things that we're talking about that are different here, right? And I've already, I've already admitted with you guys when it comes to these conspiracy theories. Well, there's a bunch of money behind this. Like, I'm on board.

Like that, it's fucking, absolutely. Money is a very powerful motivator for people to manipulate, to cheat, to steal. I mean, that has been happening since the beginning of time. So the opportunity for somebody to create things or do things to manipulate the, the media are manipulate groups of people so they can make more money. I, I'm all bought in on that. When we have, why wouldn't these the same tactics for what? For, I mean, for you, if you have a nefarious intent, like, I mean, control power. Yeah.

Why would control is also that want power, ultimate power, not use businesses. You know, the best case for what you guys are saying is that once you risk, once you're at a level financially, you're not, money doesn't, isn't, no, you want power. You want power and control over people. And so that's the best argument for where you guys go for, which is this, like, you know, there's... Have you guys ever puppeteer who's doing a lot of this stuff? You ever been in a situation like that? Like, one time when I was a kid,

and when you're in a situation like this, it's, you know, you think you know what you would do, but when you're putting that position, it's actually quite difficult. So when I was a kid, I remember we had these neighborhood kids that I would hang out with, and they weren't. They were a bit of a rough crowd,

but we'd hang out. And I thought I was cool by hanging out with them. You took the candy? No. I went out, we went somewhere, and they wanted to break into cars. And I was with the group, and it was a bunch of dudes,

and I was with them, and they were all like gonna do it and laughing. And I remember being like, what the hell? I do experience. So what I literally did was I lied. I literally lied. And I'm like, I gotta go guys, it's late.

My mom's gonna get mad and I made up an excuse and I took off because I could feel the pressure. Like what are you doing in that situation? Well, I mean, I've told you my story of the paintball situation. I got hung up with that, you know what I'm saying? I got, and I was the one who took the fall for that. Now, at that age, I, you know, of course, I did,

looking back, it's like, oh my God, look what we did. You know what I'm saying? It was so bad, right? And then obviously when I met the families and I had to go talk to the parents of the daughters that my friends shot in the doorway and like, how true. With the paintball guns. Yeah, real quick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the whole story, I shouldn't tell a little bit. Who is that a real short version of story? Is that I was a, she quick. Yeah. Yeah. I guess the whole I tried. I should tell a little bit. Who is that a real short version of story is that I was a shot. Yeah. I was a sophomore in high school. My friends and I, we were actually a Friday night playing video games at the house. And one of my, one of my best friends has had an older brother who was a senior and they rolled up and they're suburban with their paintball, paintball guns and told us to get in the car. Let's go. We and they rolled up and they're suburban with their paintball guns and told us to get in the car and let's go, we're going to go around and we're going to go shoot

some people up with the paintball guns and we're just like a bunch of young sophomore kids being in front of school. They want to be quiet. Yeah. Okay. And we're not agreeing that we're going to do it, we're like sure we'll come along until we climb the back of the suburban and went around looking for people and coming up on people that were walking on the streets. And then once he got so late that nobody was on the streets anymore, we decided to go to doors that we knew, or people knew of like, oh, that's so-and-so, he lives there, let's go knock on their door. And we knocked on a door to a house that had a daughter

who was the same age as my little sister's age who was at that time, eighth grade. And so it was an eighth grade girl who answered the door at midnight. Bro, saying this is a father now? Oh, eighth grade. And so it was an eighth grade girl who answered the door at midnight. Bro, saying this is a father now? Oh, I know. Do you just feel like, wow, what did I do? I mean, as a father now, and knowing that,

if that was my daughter or my son, I would chase the suburban down and boy, those boys would not look like for me to catch them. So, and I get it, you know, as a sophomore kid at that time, and then of course as a kid, you're thinking like, oh, I didn't do it. So it's not, you know,

you start to make excuses. Yeah, yeah, you start to justify. So that's, yeah, you know, it's really easy that you can get sucked in and pulled into a situation like that. That hindsight, you go, oh my God, what was I thinking? So crazy.

You had a situation, Justin? Oh, yeah, it was like some guys that were, I was hanging around with. I didn't really know a couple of the guys and of course They're the ones that like wanted to do all the crazy stuff and steal stuff from people and I was just kind of hanging out and rolling and we were walking through the neighborhood And so I was in a neighborhood where there was a lot of houses that were like cabins that were like seasonal and so you know You I knew certain people weren't there

and my other friend knew, and we were just gonna walk through and these guys wanted to break in and then they started just breaking in, broke bust the door open, walked in there, and I literally at that point, I was just like so conflicted. I'm like, dude, I was like, I can't be a part of this

and I just like took off, you know, and left everybody. But it was just like, it's hard. Yeah, cause now I'm ostrichized. I felt like, you know, they call me Mama's boy and all this stuff for a while. It really pissed me off. And that was like, like trigger, dude. Like, so they call me Mama's boy, you get hit in the face.

I'm laughing because you said that before. I, I used to call you Mama's boy. Why do people call you Mama's boy? Because I think somebody, a lot of these eyes, because he's boy because he I think somebody Obviously, it's what he gets mad and that's all it's one it's a one friend to call that see how he reacting inside weird check I'm gonna call my mom's boy whatever exactly broke cuz it's like I tried to do the right thing That's cuz you know I did the right thing people call me a mama's boy because it's like you know Like you said you're goody-to-shoes and ever right?

You have to remember to call that when one day we were in Canada. That's a damn pissed of all. Well, such a bomb as well. My mom and I have had, you know, our run-ins too, at that point, you know, I didn't want to be associated. Like, no, you're, first of all, you're wrong. Yeah.

Second of all, you know, like, I'm not, hey, because, I'm not goody-toothed, you know. Hey, hey, hey, speaking of stealing and cabbages, you just remind me of another story when I was a kid. This was, this was a good, this is not as bad of a prank as the shooting people with pay-pause. We used to, where, where, there's places that we used to go camping. One of our favorite pranks to do is to go, when you're in a campsite area, there's normally like two or three public restrooms in the area. And it like, I don't know, right around seven o'clock or eight o'clock, we go around all the bathrooms and we steal all the toilet paper out of it.

And there was such a teenage boy thing to do. Then we came out the trees and just wait for people to wash and listen, if you go shit again. Yeah, you would hear it with her. You would hear it like, you hear the things like, like, openly scrabbling. Can I tell you?

Hey, this is repentance, right? This is what I, this is, I right? This is what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna repent right now. I didn't do it, but I was a part of it. Same thing, public bathroom, me and my buddy went to, we went to the bathroom. We're both, you know, pooping at the same time sort of in the stall next to it.

And he goes, hey, watch this. And he just poops on the floor next to the toilet. And so we're cracking out. We think it's so funny. It's such a teenage boy thing to do. You know what, as an adult man, as a father? An adult man? What a terrible, what kind of person are you?

But we're laughing because we're like, oh, the guy's gonna come clean it. He's gonna have to clean it. So fucked up bro. What a fucked up. What is wrong? With the team, my mind's way better. My mind's a way better.

Yeah, my mind was bad. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the worst is, my person is they're gonna have to wipe their hand, use their hand and they wipe it off. Some poor guy who's a porter or woman, probably, he's gonna go in there. He probably looked at me and he's like,

God damn, not today. Forget kids. God, you know what I mean? Like what a shitty kid. Yeah. Oh God, I feel so bad for it. I wish I could take it back. Yeah.

I can't. Anyway, did you guys see, are you guys seeing the feud that's happening right now between the billionaires that Elon versus Mark Cuban? Yes. Oh my God. Oh my God. It started.

It started. It started over, what's it called? DEI, is that what I was saying? Okay. And Elon is like, no, they have to be based off of merit. And Cuban is making the argument, well, you know, blah blah blah blah. So Elon is posting videos of Mark Cuban doing the whole

like, you know, like, oh, forgive me. I know I'm the big hit. If I see, you know, oh, there was an old video. Mark Cuban. And he's posting it. And literally Elon said, Cuban is a racist. By the way, Mark Cuban is on X and they're doing it to each other. And Elon owns X. I have to tell you guys, there's nothing I love more than doing better than anybody. I love billionaires going at each other. It's just the funniest thing in the world. I love it. Like little kids. No, I mean, they are. Just with lots of money.

Yeah, so I mean, we talked about this a long time ago. Like, there's so many things. I wish maybe somebody can recommend a book because I would love to read a book on this. I bet there is countless stories where billionaires have fucked with other billionaires. Just for the sake of it. Like we should like this.

Like let's pretend you're a billionaire, a billionaire, and we're feuding and stuff like that. And of course, if you're a billionaire, you probably have 30, 50 companies. Remember when we were talking to Mark Mastroff and I asked him how many companies he has, he's like, I don't even know how many companies I have. Right, right.

You get to that level, you have 100 companies. You're running it. Right, right. But you know, and within those companies, you've got probably a cousin and an aunt, a mother who runs it, you've employed all your family and friends and like it's connected to you like that, right? But you whatever, you don't care about it, it's running. But then like, I go do some shit where I buy it,

you know what I'm saying? Or I buy the competitor and put it out of business. You know what I'm saying? Or I buy it and then I fire your mom. You know what I'm saying? You know that shit. Fire your mom. Yeah dude, you know that shit happened to me. You know what I say? You know that shit. Fire your mom. Yeah, dude, you know that shit happens.

You know that. You know that. And you know they got so many moving parts. They're so busy. They're not thinking about one of their hundred companies that their distant cousin is running or what like that. And you know that's gotta happen all the time. They get nasty too.

Who is the family? Is it the Hearst family that had all the newspapers at one point? The Hearst family had lots of newspapers, and we're competing because they had paper mills. We're competing with hemp factories that were producing paper at a hemp. So the way that the Hearst family got rid of them is they started printing propaganda pieces

in their newspapers about marijuana and the immigrants using marijuana, and then they're gonna come after your women. And he would print all these propaganda pieces because they own newspapers. To get marijuana to be illegal to put his competitor out of business. Yeah.

Crazy. Well, that's the other thing. You have that kind of money. Another thing you could do, like let's say one, again, one of your examples, one of your business. I can play a blimp over your house. I mean, I could take a $10 million loss on my food and beverage company that competes

with yours to put you out of business, you know what I'm saying? And then I raised the price as soon as you got a business. Like, I mean, there's got to be somebody who's got collected all these stories. And I know that happens all the time where there's that shit that I, because again, back to our original point of of once you have all this money, it becomes

a power move. It becomes your more your more which really that's your dear. You lose him. Look at all of Soros's moves. Yeah. Oh god. Let's add all those up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's Cuban and Elon though right now is is literally that, you know, is just him going back and forth. I shared the one that he made the comment about the diversity and inclusive thing or whatever. And he said, obviously he sold the maps,

but it was still funny. Oh yeah. He made the comment about, he's like, you should have a, he's like, well, if you're so inclusive, I'll believe you when you have something like, I'll believe you when you have a short Asian woman. No, no, it was the, oh, Babylon be made a meme

of what's the guy from Game of Thrones? Oh, the one who... Yeah, Peter Dinkley. Yeah, he's the actor. Yeah, that's his name. Yeah, that's his name. He made him say that he should hide. They said that they...

The Mavs are all... Yeah, he's the new power forward for the answer. That's hilarious. Hey, speaking of successful companies, did you guys... Okay, I think we might have talked about this already Butcherbox is giveaway. So they every month they do a giveaway When they have an option this time. Yes, that can you pull it up? So I want to get I'm I'm gonna make sure I don't mess this up This is one of the best biggest Giveaways they've done if you sign up for butcher box. They will give you either two pounds of ground beef

Three pounds of chicken breasts or two pounds of salmon for free in every box that you get every month plus $20 off. This is, that in my opinion is one of the best. One of our influencer friends, I don't know who it was, I was on social media today or on Instagram today, and I saw them posting and they posted, like they just had a gang of beef. And they were talking about that, you know,

what are you doing to stock up for 2024 because of the direction that? Oh God. I mean, there's some, there's eight. I was auction box, you put together survival box. Yeah. Off air, off air, complete transparency. I was dug and I were chopping up back and forth about,

you know, so investing in, well, Wagu beef or wagu beef are we've pronounced it, right? So that there's, you can do that. You can own shares or own cattle. Do you think it's going to go up in value? Of course. Because they're trying to, they're attacking me so bad. What do you, what do you think happens to the marijuana market when they make marijuana legal? Yeah.

Yeah. It just makes it, and why has it gone down in price so much? Because it's more competition. That's right. So you think the whole like, oh, it's bad for what and why is it gone down in price so much because it's more competition That's right So you think the whole like oh, it's bad for the environment like all the propaganda about it is gonna That's gonna go away. They are really on a mission. It will increase the cost Yeah, because what they'll and one of the ways that they'll do it to because you know It do it in two ways one it'll create more demand for it and then there'll be less people and and low supply less people that are providing it

And then also probably they'll probably increase Regulation and and hoops you got to jump through in order to even produce me So then you're gonna have people that do produce me that now have to pay for this extra certification Unless it puts them out of business then you lose your money Well, I mean, yeah, that's a possibility But I do you really think that everybody's gonna go not eating meat? No people will find a way and they'll pay more It'll yeah, so this is a come this, so these are like shares in a company? That's what you guys are looking at.

No, or you could buy cattle. You could literally have bought, for I think it was like $10,000 and then you know, we get a certain amount of cattle and it's like 22, you get, you get, so you own the cows, but they're being raised, raised, yeah. And so, so it's like $10,000, I think, and again, don't quote me on this,

cause I was just like briefly reading it, but I think it's like $10,000 and it gets you, I don't know how many cattle, I don't know if that's one or whatever, then you gotta pay for its feed for the next 21 to 22 months. Then when it's, it's, it's slaughtered. Yeah, slaughtered, then you, they sell it, sell it off.

And then you get the profit. The net, yeah, you get the profit. Or you split it with them, like, well, how do they make money? There's a management fee, right? So there's there is a that's interesting very interesting So you make the profit off how much they sell it you give them a management fee that so it's it's 60% profit before Expenses and management now imagine feed for the cattle for the years of like that. That's gonna chip away at it

Yeah, but I mean 60% before that and then a management fees I don't know if they take a percentage of it or whatever, but those are some people at margins. This is interesting. Where did you see that? It's really, I saw Robert Kiyosaki. So I saw, I don't know if you, did you see that he's making headlines right now?

Yeah. So I got some debt or something like that? Yeah, it's, I should read to you. So I sent it over. Whenever I see articles like this, I always shoot it over to our good buddy, Chris Nagibbi, because to give me, like, read between the lines here, I always shoot it over to our good buddy, Chris Nagibi, because to give me, like, read between the lines here,

and I send it over to him, and I'm like, hey, you read this yet? He goes, yeah, cute leveraging rhetoric of the bank hatred to gain market buy-in, but he doesn't have that with one bank due to his legal lending limits. It had to have it all. In other words, there's a lot of news

around banks failing and stuff like that. And so the article is really written to try and just gain attraction attention because that's something that he always says. Like that's, I've heard Robert Q. So I can say that forever. Like I'm never afraid because all my, I'm leveraged to the, to the T with all these different banks. Right. And you can only, you can only leverage up to so much, right? So like, you know, the only FDIC, you know, it's not how to use, how do you have a leverage debt

in order to make money? Right. And why he feels so confident in that is that the likelihood that we would ever allow, you know, 20 different banks to get closed or shut down is not gonna happen. I mean, look what happened when, when, when we were the closest to that ever happening,

what do we do? We bailed them out. That would bring them everything to a good point. Right, so anyway, so he says that all the time. And supposedly like an article came out that that read his, his total debt, which is like 1.2 billion, he's leveraged that, right? So he has that much debt.

And his thing is like, I'm not afraid because I'm, I'm attached to all these banks. And they're, if the banks, if I go down, then they go down like the, they can afraid because I'm attached to all these banks. And they're, it's the banks. If I go down, then they go down. Like they can't let me get attention because the people's fear right now. Right, right. So that's really, that's really, but anyways, that in that article, it also talked about all the places that he's invested in.

All right. So I love to listen to, you know, Rich Dad Radio, which is Robert Kiyosaki and Dave Ramsey are two of my favorite people besides my buddy Chris. Fuller opposite approaches. And that's why I like that. Like I tell everybody that I am, so why would I not take my own advice, right? Like I believe that you should always do that. That's in fitness, that's in business, that's in investing, that's in everything.

Like I love to take fine authorities that have counter opinions on something. And I have a track record to prove it. Yes. And listen to both. And I think Ramsey makes really good points about certain things. I think Kiyosaki makes good points about things. I love my buddy, Chris Nagibi, who talks a lot of business finance stuff. So anyways, that's why.

And in his article, they were breaking down all the place and money. And I've always heard him talk about gold, silver, he's in crypto, he's of course real estate, he's always places, but for the first time I heard him say, they say, yeah, and so then I started searching it. I'm down. I sent it over to Doug, Doug did a little bit of digging himself and then found like, I'll throw some chips in there.

Yeah, I just think, and so if you believe in the market that it's here to stay, it's been on the rise for quite some time now. So now, granted, there's risk like anything that cows could get mad cow disease and die or something like that could happen to them. So you say, well, I see what you're saying. Speaking of animals, did you hear about this longevity drug for dogs? What? What? Under clinical trial. It's like, they've, I don't know if they've proven clinical trial that's like, they've, I don't know if they've proven exactly that it's like super effective, but it's really promising, I guess,

and it's making its way to the next stage. But basically, it's, so it's, the company's called Loyals and it's L-O-Y-001 is, it's an injectable base treatment that targets a growth in metabolism hormone called IGF1. So that's like, wait, does it reduce IGF1? So IGF1, I mean most dogs die of cancer tumors. Yeah.

So, I-GF1 insulin-like growth factor we have in two. When people take growth hormone, it's the IGF one that goes up that has the antibiotic effects. It's an antibiotic hormone, so it will fuel cancer that's already there, but it doesn't cause cancer. However, like you said, dogs are very prone to cancer. And so maybe they're saying let's block this and you know what they are. That would make them more brittle too. They are, but don't you find that interesting that this is not more of a conversation that that's only recently. Oh, it's because, come on.

They fought dogs eat in 100% processed food diet. Oh yeah. 100%. But I mean, it wasn't like that a hundred years ago. Like there wasn't dogs getting cancer all over the place. Don't you find that? Maybe he wasn't. Maybe dog.

Can you look at dog cancer rates over the years? I don't know. I wonder what the best. Tumer's cancer, yeah. It's been riddled. Like, again, yeah, it is. You can attribute a lot of that to the feed for one thing. And then, I mean, I'm sure exercise and other component,

there's like a lot of environmental factors. I'm pretty sure I've seen a chart that literally follows the same as humans. And it shows that their cancer rates are that literally follows the same as humans. It shows that they're cancerous. It's right in line with humans. Oh, that's cool. But they speculate it's like eight to 10 years, like extension of life. What?

Eight to 10 more years? Yes. That's what it said. What did they say? Yeah, so cancer is more common now in dogs. It's been increasing. So it's kind of mirroring what's going on with humans. Yep. Happy to younger and younger ages as well.

We're doing some shit, man. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there. That's what I mean, it's like, how does that, I mean, we act like it's this massive riddle for humans, right? It's like, well, we can't figure out what it is. Well, we're fatter, we're less active, and there are, there's a combination of chemicals that did not exist that were exposed to a lot now, that we were not, humans were not exposed to, just five, six decades ago, period, and a story.

And they're getting shitier food than us. Terrible. Dog food is pure process. It'd be like if you ate cereal all day, and that's how you ate it. So I actually think that why it mirrors the humans is, because I think more and more people give their human food to freakin' the...

That's it, yeah. I think it's... It scraps, and yeah. Yeah, I think it's more because of that. And and the lack of exercise. So, at that, the animals aren't getting too. If your owner isn't exercising, your dog's probably never seen that meme.

Just maybe it's a meme. They had a picture of a wolf, you know, big ass like muscular wolf. And the wolf, talking to the other wolf, and he goes, hey, I'm gonna try and make friends with those humans. Maybe they'll feed me. What's the worst that can happen? And then it goes Yeah

You had this experience out of now I've experienced so I've Drastically drastically excuse me reduced and almost completely eliminated. I have one slip up, completely eliminated cannabis. So I was using it on a relatively regular basis at night and I stopped almost completely, except for like I said, one slip up. And I used Ned, Brain Blend the other day. Oh, because my body now is sensitive. I love their brain blend. Okay, so I liked it anyway.

Even when I was using cannabis, I would notice, right? But I took the normal dose that I normally take, except now I must be more sensitive. So I took it 45 minutes later. I was like, did I eat an edible? What did I do? Like did I actually, like, yeah, I really felt it. Like really felt it.

You know, I wonder why that's not something that they communicate more. And I wonder, I'd love to hear from our audience who is not a, you not a marijuana per se user, but then uses their products. So my dad, so my parents use it. Yeah, my dad loves to the same thing. Okay, so both of my parents use the capsules,

the little tiny gel caps. And my dad will take one, maybe two. Now one time he took four and he did not like it. He took, it was too strong. He took four and he's like, something's wrong, I don't, I'd add super sensitive to everything. Something's wrong, I don't feel good.

And I'm like, how many did you take, is it four? I'm like, you probably had too many cannabinoids. You might be feeling a little bit stoned or whatever. So one for him and he feels because he doesn't use cannabis. Yeah. But it's like the, like other CBD products, you don't feel, you take them.

It's like, what did I take any of these? Yeah, I mean, I feel mad. I, I thought that even when I was, you're smoking every day. And take them. It's like, what did I take it maybe? Yeah, I mean, I feel mad. I thought that even when I was you smoking every day. And but when I came off, I was super fascinated with like, oh, there's the difference. You are going to sleep. Yeah, yeah. If you do the sleep one, you're going, don't take it before driving.

That's how strong you're taking it and you're going to bet. That's 100%. Yeah, but I think they, I think they, I don't know if we can talk about it, but I know they've got some new products coming out this year when we have the earth and the Christmas party. I've been working on it with them. I remember when you tried them. Well, I know, oh yeah, that's right.

Okay. But we can't see what it is. Yeah. I view, okay, they've been, I obviously have had an opportunity to try those, they've been in here and so like that. Are you, is that moving along? Yeah, it is. Okay.

Speaking of things that I feel. So the peptide dihexa, this was formulated originally for people of dimension Alzheimer's. It is a peptide that is about seven to 10 times more potent than brain derived neurotropic factor. So BDNF, it's like miracle grow for the brain, right? It makes neurons grow, it causes synapses to connect.

Like you have a lot of this, your brain thinks faster, it's more moldable, you're less depressed. If you have low levels of it, more pain, more fatigue, more forgetfulness, et cetera, right? So we're always trying to do things to raise BDNF, things like exercise, good diet, better sleep. When you're younger, you have more BDNF. Anyway, Dehexa is like BDNF except much stronger.

Now, I tried it before from our people at mphornmongs.com and they gave me a really low dose. And I thought I felt it, but I'm like, whatever. They came back and tried again, we've been giving. And I thought I felt it, but I'm like, whatever. They came back and like, try it again. We've been giving people this dose, much higher dose, and people are noticing. About five days in, for like, this is, this puts all the other Neutropics to shame.

Like, you've got some coming, right? I do, yeah. I'm interested to see if I have that same response because- Did you both already try it? We did it was at a combination it was at a low dose plus I was taking with C Max Yeah, and I felt the C Max didn't know if I felt that the hexa is the dihex of the red pills. Yeah, does it say dihex on it? I think so. I think you're I think they were red pills. Let me see let me look at it It's not I don't I didn't see red on

Yes, it's oh it is yeah, is, I hex. Oh it is. And you're taking two of these? So I, no I've always took one, although they did say to take two the last time. Oh boy. Wait, how long have you been taking these? I mean, I'm stocked up on those. Okay, listen, I started with two

and they told me I could tie trade it up to three to four. The guy said four is really high. If you have a day where you really need to concentrate, he says I like two to three. So I did two for a while. After day five or six, I was like, oh man, I'm on fire. And I don't mean like a stimulant caffeine effect, like a live awake, feel good, mood lifted, or whatever. I moved it up to three, and that's like five.

So I took one this morning morning and I have had two and I did have a good experience the time I took two before. So I'm doing two a day or three a day. And that puts all the other neutropics to shame. Even the seamets to shame. Yeah, really? But it takes a second. It took me about five to seven days.

See, I was on this high with seam acts and then yeah, it's certain to kind of like taper off. So I'm not getting as much of that like initial, like oh my god, my memory recall, I could, I felt like it was all kind of coming back. Here's the biggest things I notice. I am using words, I haven't used it a long time. Like you know, you like, you'll use a word.

That's fun. Like you'll say a word earlier. Like earlier you said for this. You said don't fret, right? I can't say it. But every once in a while, don't you find yourself doing that? You use a word.

You impress yourself. Yeah, let me not. But did that come out of me? Yeah. Did I just say ludicrous? No, so there's that. Then there's also memories of stuff. They should think you have Mensa.

No, no. That's it. Have Mensa? What does it say? You just have it. Because you're at that level. It's the next level. No, I'm also having memories.

I'll remember things like, oh yeah, when I was a kid I did that and this happened and like fast or recal, it's really interesting. Really excited, yeah. I'm the one that has the most head trauma. I want to intervene. You should, I mean, based off of that, you should feel the greatest effect I would think on things like that, right? Well, yeah.

Was it Dr. Parsley was talking about psychedelics and things and treatments? And so I've been, I mean, my ear perked up. I definitely think at some point, it might make sense for me to go down that rabbit hole. I know you played football for a long time and hit things with your head a lot, but what's there's there one time that you remember the most where you hit. You got hit and you look back and go that one, that one did some. That one, that one changed this. Yeah.

Do you remember one? Oh, yeah. What was it? Yeah, I was playing SoCal and I was on kick return. And so how it works is like, if the ball's in front of you, you should go get the ball. You should go try and catch the ball.

If it goes over your head, you gotta let the guy behind you kind of feel it, right? And this is like the first time I was playing on kick return. And so I was just like, first of all, I did two things wrong. So I went for the ball, which got kicked over my head, but also too, I turned inside, instead of turning outside after I caught the ball.

And so as you're turning inside, like all of the people running at full sprint are all condensing down into the middle. Oh, so everybody's out. Yeah, so you want to be able to kind of like work your way to the outside to the sideline. So you have open space to run and you have blockers and you know everything's kind of set up for that So there was no blocking setup for where I went and

So I turn in and then I got hit by like three guys at the same time right in my head Cool and literally like launched my cleats like I was decleeded and I was just like off like in Lala land immediately and I was like launched my cleats, like I was decleeded and I was just like off like in Lala land immediately. And I was just like, you know, seeing things and I went to the sideline and I probably should have stopped playing, you know? You can't play? Can't play.

Got a safety and like I actually made plays, I got a couple of sacks in that game. Went to the emergency room after I was done. Wow. Because I was, I did, they did, like, that's like training at the time, she'd been fired for this. I mean, let's be honest. Wow. I should not have killed.

I only healed. I was eight, not 18, no, 17. Wow. Yeah. I'm such a model. Yeah. Now, how do you, you just said something that I think it's actually, it would be a really, I wonder who would be the most qualified person to ask this. Maybe you have some perspective around it.

Like how often do you think like major injuries or like like the worst hit ever is a result of you fucked up. Like you just admitted, right? Like I did two things wrong. Like how often do you think when someone gets hit or their bell wrongly hard? It's kind of be a a personality thing, right? Like I'm first to admit when I fucked up.

Right, right. I mean, of course you were not gonna admit it. But how often do you think it is? The fact that the mess up is why you got the injury. Yeah, yeah. It's got to be high. High majority. Yeah, it's got to be high.

Way high. Yeah. Like in boxing, like hold your chin up. You're going to sleep, keep it down. You know, I have a buddy who got this. I mean, I think, okay, totally. I mean, who do you blame on the throw that is a quarterback's fault, right?

Cause there's times where a wide receiver gets lit up, lit up because the quarterback threw it in a way that, you know, yeah, he threw it, he threw it, and he would have to reach and extend and cross even a vulnerable, so you do have to place a bit of blame on the quarterback. Yeah, so that's kind of not that person. There's gotta be some exceptions to the role.

Did you feel weird for a while after that? Yeah, yeah. So I was actually in class and it was I had to have headaches randomly and then it was just so hard for me to concentrate. Oh, that's terrible. I was like, I was like, you know, I think it was wrong with me obviously because like back then it's like, nobody even thought of that as a real injury. You know, they're just like, oh, just pinch right here. That'll fix it. I used to pinch just to get the headaches to kind of like go away a little bit. And this mentality persisted even into my college career. So it wasn't like that was an isolated incident.

So I'm really like coming back into like somewhat of a cognitive functioning state. Like I honestly, it was like a haze. But I think that's why I was such a grind for me to get through school. Because like I literally like put myself in a position where I had like a learning disability after that. I mean, I might as well wear a hair mask. You did get a safety afterwards.

So you unlocked a superpower. I mean, that's real. I'm just. You did get a safety afterwards. So you unlocked a superpower. I mean, I just, I'm just, you know, typical mom and tireless. So, I'm just, I'm not a mom is boy. Listen, if our friends at the hormones club can hear like send him extra dihex on the

list, please, I'm gonna eat all of it. Let's get this bitch. Hey, you know, football, let's, let's shout out our buddy who we had today. Oh, yeah. What a treat that was. Love it. Oh, great, great.

What's this, what's this? That was such a fun interview for me. Which is page. Is it Coolest Sports Performance? Coolest Sports Performance. With a K, so Coolest Sports Performance. One of the best athletic trainers. It's personal ones, Brian Coolest.

So he has a Brian Coolest Instagram and then it's Coolest Sports Performance. So it's personal ones, Brian Coolest on Instagram. But you know, we knew it, right? Like, we getula on Instagram, but you know, I we knew it right like I We get a lot of people of course would especially when we have someone like this Oh, you got to interview someone so is trainer. Oh, get this guy on the show Everybody's got an opinion on who we should talk to and like we're pretty particular about Especially when it comes to coaches and trainers who we want to talk to right because there's a lot of garbage on

Yeah, it's selfishly like if you know if we see somebody who a lot of garbage on that. Yeah, selfishly, like if, you know, if we see somebody who were really curious, like if they have a training philosophy that is, like we go, oh, that's intriguing or that's interesting, I wanna talk to that person. Or if you recommend somebody and I look at their stuff and I'm like, that's trash, I don't wanna know. Why am I gonna bring them on the show? So I could make them dumb or we can argue or like.

It was amazing. But I remember when we first saw the stuff that he was doing with Christian McAfry, and I was like, oh, dude, this guy is, he's right in line with Smarzo. With Smarzo and fresh. And refreshing to see it. And of course, he's connected to them.

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mind pump. All right, back to the show. Our first color is Samantha from New York. Hi, Samantha, how can we help you? Oh my gosh, hi guys. This is so exciting. How you doing? My face just got red. I've listened to, I'm good. How are you? Good, good. Good, I always hear people say that they're so nervous and I've heard time, I'm listening, I'm like, how could they be nervous? And then you sit up here and you're like, oh my gosh, this is really cool. I started the email to you guys saying

to the voices in my head every single day because you're literally thinking of you guys almost 24, seven, whether it's, I'm listening to the actual podcast or I'm following your programs or I'm literally like thinking of you guys almost 24-7 whether it's I'm listening to the actual podcast or I'm following your programs Or I'm thinking about you know what you say about food every meal So it's really an honor to be here and thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk. Thank you Thank you. I think about Justin every day I'll be on cover. I'll be on showers.

All right, so let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, so I'm just going to go through a little bit of history about myself and I can go into my question. So I know you guys have done a lot of episodes on back pain. I've listened to almost all of them. And I feel like I have a question that hasn't really been answered yet.

But into my fitness history. So I've, I was a true leader at a very young age and I did that for about 10 years and I think I started at like five or six. And I remember eventually we started throwing girls in the air and then having that, you know, having to catch them from very tall heights and then sometimes if the stunt was done incorrectly, the girls had. So I remember having back pain for the first time at about 12 years old and I remember seeing a car cracked a fur it and then I don't really recall being in pain for the next 10 years so the issue kind of resolved itself. So I turned to running for my main form of fitness until about four years ago when I got into hit classes and I loved the intensity

of hit. I loved what it did for my body and my mental health and it really taught me a lot about different muscles and a lot and more about this. But of course when I started doing hit again my back pain came back and it's been better since. So because I didn't want to rely on classes and wanted to teach myself more about fitness, I started that's when I you, stumbled across you guys and started doing a few of your programs. I ran maps, prime, and anabolic last year, and I'm currently doing symmetry. But my back pain is so inconsistent.

Sometimes it's fine other times it's the worst ever, and the pain travels. I've been told I have scoliosis, and I've been told that I don't. I've been told that I have sagatica. I've been told that I don't. I've been told that I have sciatica. I've been told that I don't. Chiropractors didn't help. And I finally went to a doctor and got an x-ray. And he said to try physical therapy, which is obviously as we all know, just strengthening certain muscles.

So I found that physical therapy. I thought it was going to be a very expensive option. But the main thing is that I was going to have to stop all of our other fitness. If I was going to do physical therapy, and to me that was just not an option. And I know you're not going to want to hear this, but I need to work out pretty intensely for like my mental health. I even said at one point I'd rather be in pain than lose the progress that I've made. I fluctuated a lot with like weight and you know I've had eating disorders in the past and so it's like my biggest fear to gain weight or to get out of shape honestly.

So I have heard you guys say that you know to take it slow and to go back the you know like plan A and just like start over with the fitness, but to me like that's, that just sounds so dreadful. So I guess the question I'm asking is there a universe where I can continue intense fitness while also healing my back and continuing to strength train by doing that. Do you think there's a possibility I could heal my back or it will potentially, it will potentially make it worse. And then also are there other things

that could be doing better, like using back support, priming more certain movements, avoiding certain movements, like static stretches, and stuff like that. Less room to hit for sure. This is gonna be a bit of a complex question answer. So let me answer the first, let me talk about kind of the root thing that I say. I think we should feel like you know the answer is coming. Yeah, that we should identify. Okay. So and by the way, I can. What you're saying resonates very strongly with me, so I can really relate. Okay, I have the same struggles when it comes to exercise and body and stuff like that. And the challenge is from the outside, when I'm able, and I'm not always able to do this, but when I'm able to step outside, there's a false alternative that you've created

for yourself. And the false alternative is this either I work on fixing my back pain or and lose all my fitness progress, or I continue to move forward, deal with the pain and stay fit. Now, let me tell you why that's false. It's false because if you don't deal with the back pain, then you'll get none of it. So, in other words, the real options are this. Fix the back pain,

or you'll not be able to work out anymore at some point at all. And that's definitely down the line if you continue down that path. Now, I know that sounds bleak, so I think there may be some options for how we can kind of maybe go in the middle a little bit. I need a little more information on your back pain. So you've got you got imaged. So there's no disk issues, there's no structural issues. There's no go ahead. Sorry, there's some it didn't seem too concerning at the time for potential disk issues in the future. Like I was it was like potentially arthritis in my lower back, down the line and first try physical therapy and if not then we'll reconsider

surgery But I think what made me Like kind of put that aside and not take it as a big concern is that it's so inconsistent like some days I can rip through PRs and some days I can't even bend over to like, you know pick something up So I was like it must be something I'm doing like a a movement I'm doing. You know, it's muscular. It's muscular. Get in flame. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a structural issue.

Okay. And then when they say, oh, potentially, that doesn't mean anything. Unless it's actually something you can see. So it's probably muscular. The most common areas that were muscles that would cause what you're describing. I'm not saying this is exactly what it is, but a majority of the time, it's either so-as.

So there's a muscle called the so-as. It starts with a P. So it's PSO, AS, Ilioso-as. This is a hip flexor that goes through kind of through the body and attaches at the lower back. And when it gets inflamed at the insertion by the spine, it's low back pain. Okay, so there's that. Then there's another muscle called the quadratus lumbar on the QL, which is another muscle that attaches

on the side of the low back, which is kind of where the cell has attaches as well. And when that gets inflamed, then you get low back pain. And the reason why it sounds like it's muscular is because of what you said. Sometimes you feel like you're back fine. And then other times it's like, oh my god, you know, what happened? Can you identify any exercises that are more likely to cause this problem?

I mean, almost always if I do a lower body exercise, but then sometimes I'll do a deadlift and feel fine. And it's not until later in the workout when I do like a chest press that I'll start to really feel the pain or sometimes the other day I felt fine, the whole workout, but then when I did a pigeon pose at the end, I was at a static stretch. It like hurts. Okay. Okay.

So, yeah. Okay. There's a little lateral state. I don't know. So, I don't know if I'm like solidifying the pain and that's already there once I stretch or once the work out's over, I really can't pinpoint it. Okay, so what might be happening is

there's some instability going on and once your body kind of identifies this, the muscle ceases up and it starts to feel painful and that can take an hour, It could happen the next day. Symmetry is the right program. I would say, so what are you doing? What's your workout look like?

Symmetry, she said. That's what you how long you've been doing. So yeah, yeah, I'm in phase three right now. So it's actually starting to be a little bit more, like, you know, double less unilateral. So I think I did, I'm still doing walking lunges, even the walking lunges. There were a lot of things in phase two that felt different. It didn't heal me, but I was like, oh, this is a new feeling. Like, you know, some of the single leg stuff that we did.

Maybe that would be really... Maybe that would be really... But the pain has been gone away. I do winnals, so I've created my own prime based on prime that I do before I work out. And I've added winnals. I'm kind of finessing that to see what hurts and what doesn't. Right. I've tried doing that. You know, blue bridges. In the winnals, yeah, they feel a little tight, but I think for the average person, I'm

okay. But it definitely is not. it's a little painful. I did do froggers, and that's where I felt some really, like a lot of tightness in my hips. Okay. No matter what advice we give you today, I definitely want to get you in the form so we can actually see you move because right now

I know we're just guessing and we're trying to figure something out. I do feel like that we can get to the bottom of this. It's definitely muscular and it's definitely something that we're probably there's weakness and instability somewhere and I do think that we can get to the bottom and going back to Sal's point. They're very much so is a way for us to strength train, address this, still keep the gains, yeah, there's, but I do, we have to address your, dare I say, addiction to intensity, the running and hit is not serving you at all, at all. I mean, at all, it's, it's especially your situation. Here's why I'm worse and to get worse and worse and worse

if you maintain that kind of mentality. And even if you are, you may be doing, you don't even realize it, you might have been doing symmetry and actually making some good progress in the right direction, but then you're hit. If you're doing any sort of hit and running could be setting it right back. So you're not even letting yourself

fly an adequate rest period between actually. I'm actually not. I'm not doing hit. Good. I'm just sticking strictly to, sorry, to symmetry right now. Good. What about running?

Are you running? No, I've been doing the stairmaster for cardio and then the elliptical, because it's not as hard on my back. Okay, so the enemy of stability-based issues is fatigue because when you have a recruitment pattern that is not serving you, the second you get tired, you're gonna revert back to your old recruitment pattern.

I don't care how focused you are on perfect form or whatever, it's gonna go back to that. So off the top of my head, okay, if you were my client, now this could change as I train you, but off the top of my head I would limit, I would eliminate all lower body exercises and have you do the sled entirely. So forward drives, slow and controlled, pulling back, slow and controlled, and lateral walking, slow and controlled, and that would be it. That's all I would do for the lower body

until we solve this issue. I wouldn't do lateral exercise, I wouldn't do bilateral exercise. I wouldn't do anything else. Now the sled is gonna be very safe and the lateral drives and drag backs and pushing forward is gonna work the stability of the core in a much safer way because there's no eccentric part of the... You see all the contraction without the impact there

and that's gonna inflame your supporting muscles. Yeah, so you could literally do your upper body stuff. Then when it comes to lower body, you push the sled, pull the sled, lateral, you know, karaoke or lateral walking. Two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two-b-two-b-b-two-b-two- And that's it. I like the sled because even with two blocking, that's more hip. But if I'm using the sled and I have it attached here, my upper body, it's going to involve some of my lateral stability. And then for core, I would do rotation exercises first. I, you know, I mean, that would be a majority of it.

And then I love that you're climbing rotation. I love that she's climbing with the windmill. Let's go and keep that in there. Yep. Now, if you really want to solve this, I would find a really good, like again, if you were my client. Bro, we're gonna get her in the forum, Dr. Brinxen. There you go.

Get in the forum, post videos, if you do it. Tag Dr. Brinxen. Yeah, I'd love to see a squat. I'd love to see a windmill and viewing from the side front and back, like put that in the forum, tag us, tag Dr. Brink, and then together, we'll probably be able to pinpoint what's going on better than us kind of guessing right now. Yeah, you need a really good movement specialist

to work with you. That's how this will work. Okay. A good movement specialist will be able to make it, you know, incorporate a workout. The reason my physical therapist tell you to stop working out is because 99.9% of time, people completely erase the work that the physical therapist did with their crappy

workouts. So that's just 100%. So physical therapists is better off saying, don't do anything. Just come see me. And I totally get that. So, but a good movement specialist will be able to say, here's your workout. And here's what you can do. Yes. Which you need to know. Okay, I mean, that's amazing. The forum sounds great. And I have like one on the sled note, another quick question if you guys don't mind it at time. Sure. Sure.

Okay, so I guess running through these programs, I do live in New York City and I have a very packed gym and there's limited floor space, there's limited cables. So as far as like following a program verbatim, and I don't know if you've answered this yet or not, but can I go off course and I kind of only have this led when it's available, when someone's stopped using it, and there's only one cable machine, so like right now following symmetry, sometimes I'll be

at the gym for so long waiting for that to become available. It's like how much room can I kind of like maneuver around and still get like the same benefits? Like can I, can I go off course a little bit if it means saving me time? With what we're talking about upper body who cares. Okay, yes, that's fine.

But lower body, no. I mean, what I don't want you to do is come and go like, oh, so that's not available. I guess I'll do walking dumbbell lunges or all that. That's not the same, I'm close. Yeah, so you can't just replace that. But you can start your workout and then, oh, the Sled's available.

I'm gonna go over there. That's exactly how I do it. What I would do is I'd keep my eye on it and all the other movements. It's cool. It's on it. Yep, yep. All right, cool.

That answers that. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, no problem. Okay, well, yeah, I hope I can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for being there again. You guys are a huge inspiration. Yeah, no problem. Okay, well, yeah, I hope I can get to the bottom of this thanks for Being there again, you guys are a huge inspiration. Doug's gonna give you access. He'll send you over Link or whatever to get into the forum make sure you get in there Like I said, I would love to see a squat a bodyweight squat. You don't need to load the bar

You know that bodyweight squat Frontside back view and then a windmill, tag us, tag Dr. Brink. And he may ask for some other stuff, but yeah, without getting us started. Okay. All right, Samantha, thank you. Thanks so much. I appreciate it.

Have a good day. I appreciate you, thank you. Thanks for listening. Thanks. You know, situations like this, and people listening, are like, oh man, that sounds really complicated and tough. And there are situations like that. I run into those, like, oh man, that sounds really complicated and tough. And there are situations like that. I run into those, like, you know,

I had a situation where I had a client who had this back pain that took us, took us four months to figure out and what it ended up being was weak hip flexors, which is almost never the case. That's why it was so hard to figure out. But typically, usually what the issue is, is that the person refuses to stop

doing what's causing the problem. Or doesn't, they're so scared to change to do something else. That's why I made the point about that. Because I wouldn't be surprised if she was heading down the right path in some areas, you know, doing things like the windmill and doing the lateral work. Intensified each one of them. Yeah. Yeah. Or like, or like, even if the option was, hey, do physical therapy for eight weeks and don't do anything else, that would probably work. And yeah, you'll go backwards a little bit with your strength and your performance.

And I get it, I mean, there's a better way, like you could work, or like I said, a movement specialist. But that would probably work. Physical therapists are amazing at solving a lot of these problems. But, you know, you just, I was that guy, by the way. I hurt my shoulder. Physical therapists is like, you gotta stop Jiu-Jitsu, you just, I was that guy by the way. I hurt my shoulder, physical therapist is like, you got to stop

Jiu-Jitsu, you got to stop working out. Otherwise, you're going to need to get your AC joint operated on. And so what did I do? Cortisol shot kept training and I had to get surgery. So I get it. I get, I get the challenge, but had I listened, right? I probably wouldn't have had to get the surgery. Our next caller is Dan from Pennsylvania.

Dan, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, how are you? Thanks for taking my question. You got it. So, every trainer, Dr. Physical Therapist, says you got to get your eight hours of your night. For me, getting eight hours in one shot is just not possible with my lifestyle.

I work overnight, I work 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. five days a week, I got three kids, my wife works. So typically what my sleep looks like is I'm home in bed by seven and I'm up around anywhere between 11 and 12 and doing whatever responsibilities I have for that day, take care of my daughter. And I typically will grab an hour or two if my daughter lets me a little more before I go to work. I know you've talked about bifasic sleep briefly before. I've done some research on it, some say it's better than getting it at once. I don't

know if that's true. Just to what your thoughts are of how I can try to maximize that and still be able to build muscle, burn fat and still reach whatever goals I may have. So, all right, let me get this straight. So you start out with, what is that, four or five hours sleep? About, yeah. And then you get maybe another hour or two? Yeah, typically, I try to try to get two hours. So a grand total of six, six to seven, but broken up somewhere in the middle there? Correct. It's feasible. Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting on the, well, the data on sleep is pretty clear. However, there are some interesting variants between individuals. They find some people are night owls, other people are morning people. There

does seem to be some research that shows that some people are better byphasic. They think this may have an evolutionary root in the sense that somebody had to stay awake when everybody was sleeping to make sure predators that come around and I watch yours. They were kind of staggered sleeping, so that's someone was always awake, but for the most part, you're looking at a grand total of eight for most people. So you're in a bad situation. So the question is, how do I make,

how do I make the best of a bad situation? All the advice we give around sleep would apply for you. Blacked out room, blue light blocking glasses. And in fact, if I were you, I would wear the, they may, and they look silly, but if you really want to maximize your sleep, an hour before you're going to go to bed, they make some that are amber colored. So they're like red lenses and they look silly, but if you really want to maximize your sleep, an hour before you're going to go to bed, they make some that are amber colored.

So they're like red lenses and they block most light, except for red light. And they close up at the top and the bottom. So they don't let light in from the top of the bottom. The most effective ones you're going to wear, I would wear them an hour before bed. I would have no food, a couple hours before going to sleep. Of course, blackout room, have the room be cool. You can use something like eight sleep. So eight sleep is, you know, of all the devices and things I've seen on the market besides just being healthy. There

is nothing that I've seen that comes close this because it uses AI to monitor your sleep and then it customizes temperature adjustments according to what helps you sleep the best. And so it based on the current research knows, you know, different types of sleep, how to maximize those. Okay, we're finding that 64 degrees at this time, 67 degrees at this time before you wakes or whatever. And it takes about a week to figure this out, and then it's on its own, and it will maximize your sleep more than any other, I don't know, hack or electronic device.

But other than the things that you've probably heard us talk about, there's not a lot else you can avoid in caffeine. All the interventions apply here. The other thing would be, I mean I mean obviously because part of this question too is that you want to optimize you know building muscle losing body fat. I don't know what you're doing training program wise right now, but the I mean maps 15 is for you. Yeah, yep. That's you you probably are not in a position to be doing a like a map systemic type of program where it's an hour or 20 minute type of workout three to four days out of the week. So what are you

doing right now? So I actually talked to you guys almost two years ago, exactly I don't you probably don't remember. It was a I actually have about 30 to 45 minutes of a break at work. Okay. Where I can. So I was taking half of my hour workout, and I can get it in there. We have a pretty decent gym right where I work. I can get 30 minutes, and then I get another 30.

What I'm doing right now, I've done aesthetic twice, I've done strong, I've done a ball, I did maps 15, which ended up turning into maps 30, maps 35, because I did map 15, which ended up turning into maps 30, maps 35. It's just because I'm, I do too much. Right now what I'm doing is I have no ass. So I'm doing, it's just, I'm trying to do Brett Contrary is 36 sets of glutes.

So I took anabolic and I split it into upper lower, upper lower, upper lower, when I added some stuff on the lower to try and get a lot of, but then each pump. If this is your normal sleep schedule, less is more. You're not gonna get better results with more. You're gonna get better results.

We can address the asking too, by the way. Like, this is like, I'm going to give you a generic prescription. I want you to follow. Two lifts every day. That's it. And you can make three or four days out of the week. Actually, you can do four days of the week. Those hip thrust.

So make hip thrust one of the exercises. One of the exercises. Yeah, one of those exercises. So you're heavily glute focused. And that'll work towards your goal. but I only want you doing two lifts. Two lifts a day. That's like maps. Just get maps of 15 and modify it to throw, you know, replace the exercises. Yeah, every time there's lower body stuff throw in the hip thrust. You get to understand, Dan, it's not... Don't think of it like, oh man, this is the kind of workout I have to settle for. That's not what it is. It's

based on my lifestyle. This is the kind of workout that's gonna give me. That's not what it is. It's based on my lifestyle. This is the kind of workout that's gonna give me the best results. That's right. That's right. So like more than that, is not gonna get you better results. If anything, you're probably hampering your progress. I also see it here that you're on TRT.

Yeah. And you're on 150 milligrams a week, which is on the upper end. However, depending on who you're working with and your symptoms and how you feel or whatever, they can even go up even higher, which some people would say is TRT plus and it's whatever.

Like if you're noticing, go ahead. I've been trying to get my, my urologist of bump man he doesn't seem like he wants to. I'll do a thousand if he'll write the prescription for it. Yeah You know you could go you could try finding a different doc go through my pump Yeah, you're mp hormones.com see what they'll they'll put you on good I wanted to go through there for also About trying to get more sleep or trying to peptide.

I was, there's probably a lot of things that they can help me with more than just a TRT. Yeah, there's a peptide, it's called deep sleep inducing peptide. I think that's what it's called DSIP, maybe Doug can look it up. I didn't know that. I, so I tried it. Really?

Yeah, when my, when my youngest was a baby and sleep was just really bad, I tried it and it's wild. Like I would take it. No, it doesn't knock you out. You know, it's not like it makes you all tired. You just take it, go to bed. And I'd wake up after four hours and I'd feel like I got six or something like that.

Yeah. I didn't even know that one. Yeah, so it's called, I think it's called deep sleep inducing, yep, it is. DSIP, you can look it up. It's pretty interesting stuff. I absolutely, well, it's the first time I've heard of that. That sounds exactly.

It's the first time I heard of it. Up down the road, I'm looking for. Yeah, I have the, I have the luxury of working with, you know, mphormones.com and they give me whatever I want. You know, so that's good or bad. Yeah, I know. I don't know if it's a good thing necessarily. We don't really know everything I didn't tell you guys it was on the podcast No, I said it on the podcast. I would have wanted to try it. No, I said on the podcast. I don't

I All of us are like all of the mumps on their side. Yeah, yeah There was another peptide called extreme muscle growth Yeah, yeah, yeah. You scored that either. So it was another peptide called extreme muscle growth. Yeah, it's deep down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just build more muscle than your friends.

There's one called like Hulk peptide. Super podcast or peptide. No, so, you know, I would talk to them because there are peptides. They're not going to replace good sleep, okay? But they can help with the cumulative damage that poor sleep can have on the body. And they can make a difference. I've noticed a difference with some of those. So I would talk to them. But what I said about eight sleep, look it up, nothing's going to beat better sleep. So the idea is I can't get more sleep. So how can I make the sleep that I get as a good quality? As much as possible. Because here's the deal, Dan, there's a lot of people that get eight hours of sleep,

but it's shitty sleep. So it doesn't always, not always just the time, it's also the quality. And I'm sure you've already noticed this, you've probably had some six hours of sleep where you're like, well, I feel way better. So really learning to maximize that. So the amber glasses, eight sleep,

all the other stuff we talk about, and then see if you could talk to mphormos.com and maybe changing stuff. And follow a Maps 15 type of protocol, and you can just modify it. So if the glutes are a primary focus, all I would do is basically make the staple hip thrust. So anytime you do lower body stuff, it would be primarily driven around hip thrust. So you can interchange some of the lower body exercises for that.

But that protocol is better suited for where you're at in your life right now. Totally. And just because you feel like you can do more, does not mean that's better for you or it's more optimal. And in fact, it could be hindering some of your results. So trust the process, scale back a bit. Do you have maps of theme, by the way? You do, right?

I do. I do. Yeah, I have almost all I even out of morbid curiosity got maps, PED, which is I'll never do. Are you in the forward? We're removing that from your library. Are you in the forum? I'm not. I don't have Facebook. All right. If you change your mind, we'll put you in there and then we can keep keeping you. Can I ask a very stupid question about my squat form? Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. When I'm standing, just my normal stance, my right foot is about five to eight degrees further

out than my left. Should I be squatting what my natural stance is or should I be making my feet? No. Not unless you have a longer leg. Is anybody ever identified that you have one leg longer than the other? No, it's just my I don't know if it's in my ankle or my knee or my hip or my right foot is it just when I lift the bar up and I take a step back I can see in the mirror my right foot is further out than my left. So it's like offset. No, no, like this. Or is it turned out?

It's turned out or it's hard. It's yeah, it's externally rotated. So you were there. My or you could either a make the other foot match. Yes, or you can make a duty media. I would make the other foot match the turned out foot. Yeah, so for now, okay, match it. Okay, so whatever the right and by the way, pay attention

because if you already have that naturally standing still, when you squat, I bet it opens up even more. It probably opens up even more. So that's normally what happens. If you have like a slight external rotation, you go down into the squat. At the bottom of the squat, you'll see your foot wanting to slide out even more. Find where it's most comfortable at the bottom of your squat and match that on the left side for now. And then we can get into stability, hip stuff and everything going on later on. But that'll at least solve it for right now. Okay, good. Thank you. You got it, man. Thanks for calling in, brother. All right, Dan.

Yeah, thank you very much. You got it. The whole foot, foot turning out, things weird, because you know when Adam's mad, how he turns his foot out and puts his hands on his hips. It's totally, that's fine. Yeah. You guys, boy that's tough. You know, it's tough. I mean, it's one of the toughest. Bro, I have some of them.

I have kids. The data, the data on night shift. I'm gonna scare everybody right now that does this. It's a major cancer risk, heart disease risk, mortality risk. I always feel bad. I'm giving bad news, you know, like a death sentence. It's just sucks. Well, okay, so you have to unpack that a little bit.

So we don't scare the shit out of everybody that's a night. It's the stress that it causes on the body. So that being said, when you are running the rest of your life, it should be a, your primary focus should be reducing stress. Yeah. So that's what it is. It's just a low level, constant stress that your body is always in because it's never getting optimal sleep.

Therefore, your workout, the things you choose to do on your free time, should be things that are going to bring you out of that, like bring down the stress level. So that's why his training has got to be the other direction. He can't be, he needs all the interventions possible. Back when I had my studio and we would do these

hormone tests, these what are called Dutch tests, where they test your hormones all the long, on ER, nurses, not a Dutch, we're gonna do a Dutch evidence real quick, here's Justin. No, we would do a Dutch test, and we would test ER doctors and nurses. Mm-hmm. You should have seen the hormone profiles.

Oh, wow! It was insane. They were running off cortisol. It was crazy. My wife did graveyard, yeah. It was so bad, because you can never get good sleep. Never. Even during the day, like so yeah,

I definitely feel for these people. Our next caller is Dennis from Germany. Dennis, what's going on? Good work, man. What's up, man? Hey, guys. Thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to ask the questions.

So I very much like your podcast and have been listening for the last six months or so. And I recently bought an RGB bundle. I used to be doing a push-pull split four times a week and now I have a little bit of a hard time convincing myself that there is enough volume, for example just two backporks pull-ups in phase one. So in current plan I do a minimum of 10 sets per muscle group per week, like vertical push, horizontal, pulls, bench presses and so on. And my background is I'm 40 years old, I'm a software developer and manager took my

health seriously in the last four, five years when I dropped from 120 kilogram to one healthy, unhealthy 65 and now setting around 95 kilogram. And perhaps you can help my ratio to better understand than the anaabolic and performance and deal to us in the program. So I guess it's a little bit over paralysis by analysis on my site. You know, the, the, the, there's two, two things consider whenever you're looking at a program that lowers the volume or appears to be at a lower level than what you were doing before. And that's, it's number one, most people do too much anyway. And number, actually, there's

three things. Number two, the amount of volume that is required to maintain what you've built is far lower than what was required to get what you've built. And that's good because if it is lower volume to build, at the very least you're not going to lose anything. Okay, so that maybe will make you feel comfortable. And then the third thing is the only way to know is to do it and see if you're getting stronger. If by week three or four you don't see strength gains, okay, well then try increasing the volume and see what happens. But typically what happens, typically what happens, especially in phase one is after week

two, week three people are stronger. And then you know for sure this is working. And what you don't want to do at that point is add more and think, well, if I do more, maybe I'll get even stronger. That's that's typical of the wrong. So I'd say just try it. Yeah, Dennis, this you're going to see in RGBB is the original three programs that we created and we created them with the intent of following them in order. And the volume increase is built into the programs. So, anabolic would be considered the lowest volume of the three and then performance it increases and then an aesthetic it really increases.

So by the time you get through all programs and so we are progressively overloading through sets and reps and total volume over the course of all three programs. But what you're gonna find is a lot of times, like Salah saying, there's clients that think that this is not enough and then they find they're getting more results by scaling back

and then what we've done in those programs is we've appropriately scaled you up. I think the right way and more people get results by just following it to T. Now, that being said, we always tell people that, listen, everyone is an individual, there's certain people that can handle more volume or respond better with higher volume, but the one thing we always ask clients

is like, just trust the process one time for us, go all the way through, and then we can come back and modify, and then I'm a big fan of, hey, run it through the three programs, then when you come back around the second time, Dennis, add some things, and then see if you get better, results, run it through the three programs, then when you come back around the second time, Dennis, add some things. And then see if you get better results or worse. And what happens more often than not

is people think that because they can handle more, that that is a sign that that's better for them. And that's not necessarily true. Just because your body can handle it, doesn't mean it's what's optimal for the most amount of results. Also, if you look at it more as like a different animal completely in terms of like your mindset going in

towards like that specific phase, like so for me, like I want to like crank the intensity and the focus when I'm lifting specifically knowing that I have less volume. So that way I maximize my benefit of that exclusively. And so if you have that shift mentally, it's gonna play a lot better in terms of your results as well. Very good.

Yeah, and you know, look, there was me think. I think it was, I want to say maybe 12 years ago, they did this survey of top strength in conditioning coaches. And I mean, some of the, some of the biggest names you can think of. And they asked all of them and they said, what is the best split for most people for results? And they said 85% of people will get the best results on a full body split. Full body, three days a week work out is going to give most people the best results. When I switched to MAPS and a ballic, this was already after having trained for well over a decade or more on my own, I switched to MAPS and a ball, this was already after having trained for well over a decade or more on my own,

I switched to MAPS and a ball, I stopped training to failure so often, the volume went down, and I was in disbelief over the progress I was getting. Now, this doesn't mean it's going to be for everybody, but I could confidently say nine out of ten people will get better results, train this way, and then there's one out of 10 people that get better results with the extreme workouts. But you typically know if you're one of those people, you're probably the super high level athlete, you're always the strongest guy in the room,

you never needed to work out to be the biggest person, and that's super rare. A lot of people think that they're that person, like, oh, I'm that one out of 10. No, you're probably not, you're probably the nine out of 10 that'll get better. But the only way you'll know is by trying it. And you'll know pretty quick. Within three to four weeks, you'll have your answer.

Here's what I'll guarantee you. You're not going to go backwards. I will guarantee that. It's matter of, and Justin brought up a really good point. Like this is, when you take somebody who is, and I can relate to this, right? I also was very, I train very high volume, very body builder-esque.

I love push-pull legs type of split. Switching to a full body was a total different mind shift. And it's like, oh, normally I'm used to getting, you know, I got at least eight to ten sets. I get to work on that same body part where now, now I only get three or four and I'm done with that body part. So there was, there's two things that I had to, one, I had to let go of, I was always chasing this kind of pump feel, you know, because that was like, the results, it's like that's not giving me the results. And then the other thing was learning

to maximize those three sets is that going into it, like listen, I'm gonna prime warm up and I've only got three sets at this and really getting in after it, and getting after it for those three sets, and then moving on. And once you make that shift really getting in after it, and getting after it for those three sets, and then moving on. And once you make that shift, you commit to it, trust the process.

I promise you you won't go backwards. It's literally a matter of, are you gonna see more progress than you've ever seen or is it gonna be relatively similar? And don't skip the trigger sessions. If you're like, I need volume, the trigger sessions add a little bit of that volume. Don't skip those.

It's three times a day on the off days. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Do you get that? Yes, go ahead. Excellent. All right, Dennis, and you have the RGB already. Why don't we put them in the forums?

Yeah, thank you. Let's put you in the forum. I'm not going to appreciate it. Track your progress. Yeah, I want to, I want to hear from you after you get through Annabelle. So I'm really here. It's an update. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, thank you very much for coming in my question. You got to be tired. All right, nice. Thank you.

No problem, man. Thank you. Okay. So you know, okay. So this is what's cool is that we've now been selling Maps and a ball like another programs for eight out of the nine years we've been on air roughly hundreds of thousands of programs. So we now have a data set right of a large test subject test a large survey size of people who followed our programs. The program that has repeated the most and the program that continues to get the best reviews in terms of consistency, results,

that's the one I always go back to. By the way, not making it the best program, just making it the one that's most appropriate for most people most of the time is Matt Santa Baller. And that's the one that people are always like. You know, it's fun. It's not enough like. You know, it's not enough volume. You know, it's even funnier, is that that's 100% correct.

And there's one that's slowly creeping up and starting to get close to rivaling that. And we haven't had it for that long. Massive team. Massive team. The lowest volume. The irony. I know, it's hilarious.

We're just scaling people down. Yeah. Because it's worked. Well, 100% more. Sal said something that I wanted to correct because I don't think it's true. I don't think most people over trained, most people don't fucking move.

Most people aren't doing that. Well, what I mean is most people that work out a lot. I know what you meant, but I wanted to say something, because I know people, there's gonna be someone's like, oh, that's a bunch of bullshit. The whole world wouldn't be obese. It looks so sure. It's most people don't over trained,

but then you really have two ends of the spectrum of the people that do work out. Correct. And the people that do work out. Correct. And the people that do work out, then especially the ones that like to work out, do too much. And they think. Well, promotes more consistency.

Really? And they think it's like everything else in their life, whereas if they put more effort towards or they work harder at, they'll get more results. And it doesn't work that way. Look, literally not with science. This is the story for me. I followed every train super hard, super intense,

lots of volume, had my own gym, worked in gyms, that access to equipment, overdid everything, didn't realize it. Then I went back to looking at the routines of the bodybuilders of the bronze era. Everybody did full bodies before steroids even invented, read a book called Dinosaur Training. He advocated for the same thing.

And I took a leap of faith and I said, I'm gonna give this a shot. And I remember the first workout, I was like, okay, this will be a week off, it's what's gonna be because there's no way. I did the second workout, you know, not that took the day off the next day, did it again. Huh, am I stronger already?

By the third workout that week I was stronger and then I was like, something weird is happening here and that was the birth of the whole program. Look, if you love the show, do this. Go to mindpumpfree.com. Check out the free guides we just added. Free fitness guides. We're gonna help you out.

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