Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2256: When Fasting is Unhealthy, The Effects of Testosterone Therapy on the Female Sex Drive, Eating Sushi & the Risk of Getting a Parasite & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:21 t-shirt time And it's t-shirt time. Oh T-shirt time! And it's T-shirt time! Ahhhh! Shit, Doug! You know it's my favorite time of the week. Four winners this week. Two for Apple Podcast, two for Facebook. We have Kenny000S for Apple Podcast

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Starting point is 00:02:53 Let's say you don't exercise and you have bad sleep. Which one of those things should you tackle first? In other words, which one of those things will cause the biggest positive impacts on your health, fat loss, and muscle gain? Sleep, believe it or not, it's sleep. If all those three things suck with you, tackle sleep first. It'll give you the biggest bang for your buck. Dang, that's like when you know the answer, but like the teacher's been calling you. Sorry. Sorry, Justin.

Starting point is 00:03:22 It's okay. You know, hey, sleep. Could you like no way I would have believed that when I was younger. No way. In my 20s as a trainer, I didn't even talk about sleep. Sleep, what are you talking about? It's one of those things that I think is like, I don't think you've ever said that someone someone go like, oh, no way. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Like I feel like everybody knows it, yet we just ignore it. Yeah. Doesn't it feel like that? It's like, I know, I remember hearing that as a trainer early on. I knew that sleep was important. I think we assume because we do it that we, it must be, and I get up and I do my day and I go about my life that I'm getting good sleep. I think people overestimate the quality of their sleep.

Starting point is 00:04:02 And so when you hear things like a trainer tell you, hey, when you're asking questions like, oh, what supplement should I take? Or what workout? Or what diet? And you go like, well, you know what you could do is you could focus on optimizing your sleep and get more gains than any of those things you just asked me about by simply just sleeping better. They go, oh, I already sleep really good. So I think that most people overestimate the quality of their sleep. Here's how important it is. Uh, out of diet, exercise and sleep, uh, the one you can go, the one that you can go the least without. In other words, the one that you cannot have that will cause major health issues in the quickest time of sleep. You have no sleep within 72 hours.

Starting point is 00:04:43 Your odds of psychosis are actually through the roof. You cannot eat for like weeks and it would suck, but you'd be okay. You cannot move for weeks and it would suck, but it wouldn't be like sleep. Sleep, you couldn't survive a week without sleep. And they've done studies on this. In fact, it's considered cruel and unusual punishment by the Geneva Convention. It affects your hormones and it affects your cravings, it dramatically affects your ability to build muscle and burn body fat. Now, the truth is all three of those things contribute to each other. In other words, working on your diet is likely to make you want to be more active. It's also likely to improve your sleep, right? Exercising properly is likely to improve your sleep.

Starting point is 00:05:27 It tends to motivate people to want to eat better. And then sleep, right? You get better sleep, you have more energy, you want to work out, and you have less cravings. But the one with the biggest impact is sleep. And everybody who's got, people with poor health tend to have all three of them kind of off, nobody tackles sleep first,

Starting point is 00:05:43 unless it's so bad and so obvious that they're just losing their mind, everybody tackles the other stuff first. It's the sleep. Yeah, it's funny. I was just thinking like, I was at a point where I would say the majority of my clients would come in and be like, oh yeah, I know how important you say sleep is.

Starting point is 00:06:01 I know how important recovery is, you know? And I do those things, but also like, how many times can I come in? Can I come in twice? is, you know, and I do those things. But also, like, how many times can I come in? Can I come in twice? Can I do this? Can I do that? Like, it's like, this is just stuff they just want to just push it aside. And it really is like the biggest focal point that they should have in order to optimize everything they're doing to get to the result that they want to get. But it's a funny thing that like over time, and sometimes you have to kind of like play into that just to get them to see it for themselves. But, you know, for, uh, and that's again, this is something you learn later as a

Starting point is 00:06:36 mature trainer, but it's just like, it's so overlooked. It's so, and there's so many aspects of training that, uh, get affected by this. I've been, I've been waiting for the next time one of you brought up sleep because of how obsessed I am with the eight sleep app. Like, so I had everything hooked up. I've talked about how much I love the thing and the AI version of it. But dude, the, the actual tracking, the metrics on it are wild, the stuff that tracks. So of course, you said you liked the bed of the aura. I do.

Starting point is 00:07:06 I do. So it obviously tracks REM sleep, deep sleep. It does heart rate does HRV. It does my breath rate. So I can see the difference of like different nights and the quality. It's literally a pad over your bed that cools and warms your bed. It tells me if I took longer than 15 minutes or not to fall asleep, how quick

Starting point is 00:07:24 that was up, like scores me everything. And then, and then based off of this and then based off of that, it adjusts on its own. I know that's so crazy. You know, I, I didn't realize how good it was until I noticed that like, so when I first got into it, you have to like set it up and you have to, um, you, you choose like, oh, I, uh, 8 AM or eight PM. I want it to stick the cooling to kick on. And I want to put it at minus eight because I want it really cold.

Starting point is 00:07:49 And so initially it starts at what you, you put it at, but then again, the AI kicks in and then it will just naturally figures out. And so it's now found this place where I like, before this was my attitude, like I want it ice cold because I'd rather be too cold than it be even close to being not cold enough. And so I'll put it super low. But now it's got to a point where I don't ever feel like that. I climb into bed and it feels nice. I never feel freezing cold.

Starting point is 00:08:15 It never allows me to get hot. What's your number then? Were you close? No, it actually, it actually was higher than I thought. So I used to go minus eight. And the other night I like, I got on there and I'm like, I wonder what it's at right now. Cause it's actually Katrina made quiet and she goes,

Starting point is 00:08:26 Oh, I think the eight sleep kicked off. And I'm like, Oh no, it's just, it's probably not having to run cause it's got me right where it wants me temperature wise. And so I got, it was like 10, 11 o'clock at night when she said this to me, we're laying in bed and I rolled over and I looked just to see it. I was like, Oh, it had me at minus two. And so it didn't have to have me all the way at minus eight. So it's like, it's a trip.

Starting point is 00:08:44 How, and I, what I, what I recognize is that I just feel good and I never feel hot. I never feel cold. It's just the right. Now, what about Katrina's side? Have you looked at her numbers to see? No, I don't pay attention. I would love to see the difference.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Yeah. You know why? Because you guys are so different. She, she runs hers hot or off. Yeah. So she doesn't even let the AI do the thing. Oh, she won't even care about that do the thing? She won't even do that. She don't even care about that much,

Starting point is 00:09:06 because she always wants to be warmer than whatever I have the bed set on. Even though it's on her side. I was just curious to see what it found out for her. Yeah, she's not, I mean, and she's not, Katrina's thing with sleep is light. So that is like, yes. Did she wear a night mask?

Starting point is 00:09:22 Yes. I had to get her a night mask because it's like, we have like these, in our curtains, there's like is like, yes. Did she wear a night mask? Yes. I had to get her a night mask because it's like we have like these in our curtains, there's like these like, and that's, it has just a crack in the curtains and a little bit of light coming through. Interesting. Disrupts her. Interesting. Or I'm not like that at all.

Starting point is 00:09:33 I could, I could totally have. You know what's weird about this conversation is that, um, like I remember, I've, I've said this before, my, I remember my grandfather, um, it was visiting from Sicily and, um, this was years ago. So I was probably, I don't know, 17, no, no, I was younger, 14, 15. grandfather was visiting from Sicily. And this was years ago. So I was probably, I don't know, 17, no, no, I was younger, 14, 15. And he had never been out of the country or I don't even think he'd ever been off the island of Sicily.

Starting point is 00:09:53 But anyway, he comes over and we had, I had weights in the backyard. And so I'm working out and he was making, he was laughing and making fun of me. And he goes, just go to work. If you want to work out, lift heavy thing, you know, because to him, he thought it was so weird that I actually, it's like a waste of energy voluntarily picked heavy things up and put them down. I'm not building anything. I'm not doing anything.

Starting point is 00:10:14 It's because I have to do this in order to, you know, improve my fitness because the modern world has taken that out completely. Right. The same thing with diet. Like we used to eat a whole natural food diet because that's all there was, right? That's all there was. All there was was whole natural foods. Unless you starved, if you were a successful hunter and all that stuff, your diet was probably pretty damn healthy in comparison to what the average person eats, of course, barring that

Starting point is 00:10:39 lots of people starve because it was hard to get food. Same thing with sleep. Sleep was probably never an issue because our bodies evolved for most of human history. The sun went down, it got cooler, your brain registered less and less and less light and then darkness and then it's cool and then you go and you lay down and you're also probably exerted a lot of energy throughout the day.

Starting point is 00:11:04 I think there's two big factors to the point you're making right now. I think that, uh, being exhausted from like manual labor and no tech, no technology. Those two things I think have made the biggest disruption of our sleep. Think about the light that we had was fire. Like, oh, you want some light? Go make a fire. How bright is that? Not very bright at all. It's a, it's a red glowing. By the way, the light that affects your sleep the least

Starting point is 00:11:25 is the red glowing light that comes off of a fire. So it's like, and then our diet was, you know, whole natural, a lot of stuff. So I don't think people ever were like, yeah, God, I have issues. It was, yeah, it was a struggle to sleep. It was probably more like, I need to stay up because I heard something.

Starting point is 00:11:40 Yeah, then you add in all the things that were hopped up on, right? Caffeine and Adderall and just like, and the low level stress that you're getting all day long. It's just we've organized our lives in a way that's so unnatural that we now have to find ways to essentially use technology and use, uh, you know, techniques and methods to, to, uh, to get our primitive bodies. Our bodies are not advanced, the same body. My body is identical genetically.

Starting point is 00:12:11 You're just teaching us that the old ways were superior. Yeah, so it's like we did all this stuff, people are like, we don't like the dark, make lights. Oh, electricity's invented, oh great. Oh God, this backbreaking labor is so hard. Let's make it easier, let's make it easier, let's make it super easy. In fact, you never have to move

Starting point is 00:12:25 Yeah, you know, it's like and then oh food. Wow, we can make it taste so damn good Yeah, and you can have any flavor and we can do it and so we're really we're literally suffering the consequences of Us figuring out this is what we want. Of course. It's not what we need. It's what we think we want So like eight sleep is it cracks me up because it's literally tech. Yeah. That's like, okay, you live in the modern world, which means amazing tech. I mean, it's, it's funny as you're describing all of the metrics and everything. I couldn't help but think when we leave to go, uh, travel and, and go elsewhere

Starting point is 00:12:57 to do content and whatnot, uh, Courtney will have, uh, Arlo sleep in bed with her. You know, just as protection thing. It'd be so funny to see the breath score. Yeah. I think it was a mess. It's gonna mess up your algorithm. Yeah, exactly. You're gonna screw everything up.

Starting point is 00:13:14 I mean, think about that. That's pretty funny. I wonder what is different here. You sleep best when it's hot, too. Of all the cool, I mean, you know how neat, like when I think back the last like eight, nine years for us, like all the cool biohacking tools and things that we've messed with and we've got given to us. And by far, uh, that has to be one of the best investment ones out of all, like, I mean, and, and I guess this really depends on who you are.

Starting point is 00:13:42 Maybe not you, like maybe you're somebody who sleeps great already. Maybe you're somebody who's not affected by temperature. Um, but I'm ultra sensitive to the temperature. Like, you know, it's, you know, it's crazy about this here for me too. Cause that's, I mean, that is literally breakthrough technology. It is absolute insane breakthrough technology uses AI to adjust all the things it can adjust so that it maximizes your individual sleep. Do you know what it's going to be like at some point in the near future?

Starting point is 00:14:09 There's going to be tech that's going to be able in real time, tell you the kind of workout, the intensity, the weight you should use, the diet you should eat today, right now. The perfect dose individually for you. Yeah, like you'll literally have a watch and it'll be like, you need to have 16.7 grams of protein, this many carbs, many, whatever, to maximize whatever your work. Oh, stop your workout.

Starting point is 00:14:30 You've reached your threshold or today take the day off. It's going to be like that. Well, I mean, what you're pointing out too is what, and, and you know what I think we'll have just as many fat people. We're going to have all the answers. Turn all the sensors off like it won't matter. It, that's why, like, I mean, this is is too, like this is why I always get annoyed by the, you know, Instagram, TikTok.

Starting point is 00:14:49 I have a darker thought around this. Oh yeah. I mean, when you, it's like people are always debating, like in arguing online or like over the science, right? And it's like, that's not the problem. Like it's, it's not a lack of awareness. Like those, all these tools are awesome. And I like more awareness and I like the tools, but it's not what's

Starting point is 00:15:09 going to solve the problem for people. It's behavioral. Of course. It's, that's where the problem is at. Like you can get you. And so we're just going to keep getting to this place where we're closer. I mean, I think we're going to be able to walk into your bedroom in the future. And something will, it's, oh, welcome, Adam.

Starting point is 00:15:24 And then the whole, the humidity, the temperature, my bed, everything gets optimized, you know, immediately for me specifically. Like we're going to have stuff like that, no doubt, but it's not. So here's my darker thought on that. My darker thought is like, do you know what happens when you take a lion that's been born and raised in captivity and you put it out in the wild?

Starting point is 00:15:43 Yeah, it can't hunt. It dies. Yeah, cause it can't survive. So if it gets to that point, by the way, for people are like, oh, come on, you're being dramatic. We're already there. Like if the shit hit the fan right now, how many people I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to survive.

Starting point is 00:15:56 I don't know what the hell to do without electricity and technology. I'd be like, what would I be catching squirrels? What would I be doing? I don't know what I would do. So, um, but it's going to be even, it's going to be even worse than that where people are going to be like, please tell me what to do. Tell me what direction you need to go.

Starting point is 00:16:11 Give me my dose of anti-depressant. Give me my, you know, this is, you, you just reminded me of something I actually wanted to talk to. It's actually, I wanted to have this off air, but fuck it. We'll just have it on here right now. Um, I've been meaning to talk to you. He's just perked up, Doug, right there. Well, I've, I've, I've been wanting to sell, you. He's perked up dog right there. Well, I've, I've been wanting to, to sell, sell you on watching sports more.

Starting point is 00:16:27 Right. And I was, I had this thought with my buddies the other day, I just like, um, and I know you like, you love to always tie everything back to evolution. Yes. Right. You do such a great job of like evolutionary. This is why you just did it with the fire and lights and so with that sports has to be the greatest example of real time,

Starting point is 00:16:46 your ability to look at real time evolution. What do you mean? Because of how much as humans, we put towards optimizing the athlete or the person, everything from training the body to nutrition. Finding a better body type. That in decades, we see leaps that you don't see. Things that take hundreds of years

Starting point is 00:17:06 Thousands of years of evolution for the body to change or things to happen. You actually get the ability to see I in my lifetime I've seen the humans evolve Athletically in a in a to a like if you looked at basketball Just in 1950 something and you compare it today. Nobody lift the weights. It was like what, so like the bowls, what they've got the body to be able to do. Like you could not pluck that guy from 1950 and put him in today's game in the 1970s and 80s. That's what I'm saying is like, like, and look at what we do in extreme X game sports. Like with the, I mean, it was just a couple of decades ago when

Starting point is 00:17:44 it was great Our hand's full loaded. It was somebody did a backflip on a bike and our heads exploded Yeah, now you have guys landing three of those now We talked about the snowboard guy the other day who did the six three sixties or whatever like I mean and why that is is because You know evolution happens naturally over time, like the weaker the stuff dies off and only the strong stuff keeps going. Well, sports, you force that, like you hyper. There's also a mental, what's really weird about humans

Starting point is 00:18:14 is like just how powerful the mind is. Like the most famous example is the four minute mile. That's a great story in our mental capacity and evolution. Like literally, I mean, I'm sure people have heard this before, but- You make the impossible possible. It was debated as to whether or not, and there were scientists that literally came out and said,

Starting point is 00:18:32 it is impossible physiologically for humans to run faster than a four minute mile. There was all these debates or whatever. Rogers Bannister, I think was his name, was the first person to break it. Once he broke it, and I think he got three minutes in 59 seconds or something like that, right? Yeah, and this was like dirt tracks. Yeah,. Once he broke it, and I think you got three minutes and 59 seconds or something like that, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:45 And this was like dirt tracks. Yeah. But once he broke it, that next year, I think two other people broke it. And now I think we have high school. We do have high school kids that do it every year. Yeah. Like it's no big deal. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:55 And that is your, that's another great example of like how it's weird in sports. There is this, we, this collection of humans that are hyper focused on one task and evolving it and pushing the boundaries and limits every single day and looking for ways to optimize every little aspect of it that shaving a fraction. I mean, it's the greatest example of evolution fast forward. Like, think about that. Like, there's nothing else I could think of in the world that gives you a glimpse of that in real time. We have to look back at history books or tell old stories of, oh, it used to be this way and now we've evolved to this way. But you actually kind of get a little bit of a glimpse of that when you watch sports. You know the belief around athletes used to be in the early Olympics, the belief was that the perfect athlete was I think

Starting point is 00:19:46 five nine hundred sixty something. For all sports. Yeah, like that's the perfect athlete. Yeah. And then they started to figure out like, no, no, no, if you do, you know, shot put, you're probably going to look like this. If you do distance, you're going to look like this. Crossfit kept that standard though.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Anyways, like talking about evolution. I had to throw that jab. It's been a long time. to throw that jabbed in a long time. I had a jabbed in a long time and I just felt that opportunity. The evolution of TVs. Have you guys seen like to speak positively about like technology? So instead of just like a big screen, I'm not talking about projectors or anything. There's this new technology where I guess like the background of whatever's being portrayed on screen, they can basically make it see through.

Starting point is 00:20:30 So, so saying like you have a white background, but you have the actual like physical, like dimensions of whatever object is on there. Like behind it, you can see through the TV to the wall. Oh, so you can see stuff. It's like opaque like behind. You can see stuff. It's like opaque, like behind. You can see stuff, but then the rest of it. So basically it's being projected on a clear screen.

Starting point is 00:20:49 On like a glass screen? Yeah, it's like a clear screen, but then the images are actually just the images. What's it called? It's not background. It's not like black backgrounds, not like white background. It's like transparent.

Starting point is 00:20:59 Do you have a name? Why would I want to see my wall though? I want to see an example of this. Yeah, it was on TechCrunch. It was like an article about it. You know what the new Well, look at look at my nose Andrew Doug maybe I know I want to see too because I'm trying to get an example like how this

Starting point is 00:21:16 Sounds hard to describe, you know without visually showing it to you guys I mean I talked to you guys about the TVs now that are the wireless and everything like that. That's kind of cool Yeah, that's really cool Yeah, yeah, you guys find it cuz I to me right now. I'm envisioning watching a movie and there it is I see a transparent TV. What's it called? You just you can text it to you by the way Yeah, send me I can put up on the screen. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep it to myself Keep you guys wondering cool stuff, but I'm not gonna Cool story dude. They tell you the day my dad taught Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself.

Starting point is 00:21:45 Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself.

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Starting point is 00:22:01 Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to myself. Keep it to. Let's look at this. Yes. So yes, it is a transparent TV. So basically you can just see through it. Right. It's like a glass then. Yeah. Well, that's really cool.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Do you know, I would never thought. I guess, I guess if you're not watching movies, it would be a cool art piece, right? Yeah. Okay. So I'm trying to think of like, I mean, it looks cool. Yeah. You wouldn't want to watch movies like that though. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:23 I don't know. Well, it's interesting because the background is basically missing from the image that's being projected there. Right. So it could look like a fish tank or something like that. Yeah. So if I was watching a movie, what would that look like? You wouldn't want a movie like that.

Starting point is 00:22:33 Yeah, I don't know if a movie would work. I think it might just be because you know how the portraits, so like Samsung had the ones that were like frame TV or wallpaper. Yeah, it almost looked like a painting or whatever I think it's maybe it's just like the setting for what this would be cool for I'll tell you right now What I think this is how I think It would be it. No, what? No, that's where your brain always goes. No, it isn't

Starting point is 00:22:59 That's not even a funny joke funny joke. It's not even funny, man. It's not funny. That's what makes it hell. Because you know, it's not. You know, I haven't watched any of that in months. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Anyway, so I put, it would be cool, like a department store, the windows of the department store, where you're looking in and you can see in the department store, but they can display whatever they want on these screens. Right? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:23:27 I feel like there's creators that will see an opportunity here to like make things for that specifically. You know, I don't know what the benefit of that looks like. You don't feel like you're in your house. I don't feel like you're talking about, bro. The action going on, not the furniture. Yeah. Does the Oculus pour and never take off?

Starting point is 00:23:48 Did that take off? Ah, I don't know. That was a thing. You know, when it, when it, I know when it came out. You know, I gotta tell you, I'm trying to find an expert. I'm actually having our team pursue someone to talk about, uh, pornography. You need an expert for that? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:01 Well, not, no, the date on it's on the damage. It causes and the negative talk about that. Oh, dude, the data is insane. You guys know this is it's one of the worst things in society right now for mental health, both for men and women. Do you know what the rate of divorce? You want to know this? How much the rate of divorce goes up if one or both of the

Starting point is 00:24:22 partners watch pornography? Doubles. Wow. Doubles. It's insane. What if it's like, okay or both of the partners watch pornography doubles. Wow. Doubles. It's insane. What if it's like, okay, I'm not going to see. What if it's yours? Anyways, what if you guys are filming?

Starting point is 00:24:42 All right. All right. I'm going to change directions here. Um, so my daughter, my, let's see, I all right, I'm gonna change directions here. So my daughter, my, let's see, I'll just show you now, 14 months old. By the way, when you stop saying months, at what point? After two years.

Starting point is 00:24:54 After two years. And then you're two and that's it. Dude, once you turn one, let's like stop it. This is my child. Your ear takes me. He's 76 months old. Well, you know why? You know why it is?

Starting point is 00:25:04 Because clothing size. That's right. Because clothing size goes all the way to 24 months. He's 76 months old. Well, you know why? You know why it is? Cause clothing size. That's right. Cause clothing size goes all the way to 24 months. That's right. Yeah, so it's like. I get it cause it's big developmental. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:11 And then my time you're two, you're toddler. So my 14 month old. I still refuse to serve. My 14 month old, we've moved to, she eats food, regular food, so hard food. And then now we're giving her milk and I give her raw milk. So I go to Sprouts over here. Whole Foods is eating carrot anymore. And she drinks raw milk. I

Starting point is 00:25:30 talked about this a long time on the podcast, a long time ago, probably eight or seven years ago on the podcast. I thought I should bring it up again. The benefits of raw milk versus traditional milk. And I looked up some data. Oh yeah. Digestive enzymes are in there. Yeah, when they cook it bro, they cook all the good stuff out. They take away all the goods, all the nutrients. So here's real quick, here's why milk is pasteurized. Long time ago when milk started becoming mass produced, people in the U.S. were cramming these cows into these small tight spaces.

Starting point is 00:26:02 They were feeding them the waste, They were feeding them the waste products from breweries. They used to call it Brewer's Mash. That's what they would feed the cows. The milk was so bad it would come out with a blue tint. Okay. And it was full of bacteria because the cows themselves were diseased and kids and people would get sick and die. Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization. By the way, which he did was supposed to be used for, I think it was for beer or something else. They ended up using it for milk because it allowed these people to sell sick, bad milk

Starting point is 00:26:35 to the public because you'd boil it or whatever. Boom, no bacteria, now everybody can have it. And then they passed laws and said, all milk has to be pasteurized or whatever. This is a complete scam. Okay. Healthy cows, healthy cows do not produce milk that is dangerous. In fact, it's also far healthier for you.

Starting point is 00:26:52 So I brought up some data and so I don't feed my kids when they're little, I don't give them regular whole milk. I give them raw milk. So check this out. There was a study that was published and this is for allergens. Okay. Children who drink raw milk versus traditional pasteurized milk are 50% less likely to develop allergies and 41% less likely to develop asthma.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Okay. That's just for, for that. It improves skin health. It prevents nutrient deficiencies. I bet you guys didn't know this, but raw milk contains more calcium or magnesium or potassium and many of the, the, a lot of the nutrients in milk are destroyed through the pasteurization process. So, and also homogenization, which is raw milk, if you let it sit, the fat separates from the rest. And so you get cream on top. You have to shake it before you serve it. You know this, Adam, because you used to milk cows. Homogenization, they force the milk

Starting point is 00:27:51 through this process where it squeezes the fat into such small particles that it stays suspended in the milk so it no longer separates. Well, what that does is it increases the odds of the fat getting oxidized. So the fat also can become more damaging in traditional whole milk versus raw milk. So raw milk is just, and now, why am I telling you this? So my daughter, we give her raw milk. Jessica went to visit some family in Vegas when they were out there, couldn't find any raw milk,

Starting point is 00:28:22 ended up getting traditional whole milk, drank it when she came back. It was late at night, store wasn't open. So we went to a place that was open to add some rump, some regular milk. So my daughter was drinking regular milk and she, she drank it for like a week or whatever, and she started to develop a little bit of eczema. Now she has a tendency to have it, but the eczema was kind of getting worse. Jessica's like, Oh, what is going on?

Starting point is 00:28:42 Like, I didn't change her diet. And I'm like, Oh, it's, it's the milk quick. I threw out that old crap, got the raw milk. Exima's gone within a few days. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:53 Do you see that article I sent you about milk? No, cheese. Did you send it to me? Yeah. No, no, any new article groundbreaking article. You are the, you are now the groundbreaking guy with all cheese. All cheese. Just as he's getting his cheese sponsorship, I'll be mad at some point.

Starting point is 00:29:10 They've never approached me. Well, the raw company did. They did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The raw milk company sent us all kinds of free stuff. Love them. Love them.

Starting point is 00:29:19 I mean, it was kind of weak. I mean, it was just kind of talking about all, you know, the nutrient benefits from like even the probiotic benefits and, you know, a lot of the amino acids and so it, it was just basically saying, you know, a lot of what you're talking about with the raw milk side is similar to like the benefits you get from cheese, but it, they draw it out as like extending, extending life. I thought the pasteurization of modulation also degraded the protein too. And lower the total. There's some discussion about that, but check this out. So here I got the stats now. Pasteurized milk has up to 66% loss of vitamin A, D and E.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Vitamin C loss of about 50%. The heat affects water soluble vitamins and can make them 38% to 80% less effective. Vitamin B6 and B12 are completely destroyed during pasteurization. It also destroys beneficial enzymes, antibodies and hormones, and it destroys lipase, which is an enzyme that breaks down fat, which means you don't absorb the vitamin A and D as well. And then the homogenization increases the potential for oxidation. You also said you also said loses magnesium too, didn't you say that?

Starting point is 00:30:28 I didn't see that here, but yeah. So yeah, so I think that too, like the common things, B vitamins, magnesium, like 60% of people are real raw milk. I mean, if you can tolerate it, obviously a lot of people can't have milk, but a real raw milk is a super food. I mean, that's a fact. There's all cultures that survived off of milk. It's if you can have milk and it doesn't, you know, you don't have

Starting point is 00:30:50 a, uh, an allergy or intolerant to it. Um, you could live off of milk. Yeah. I mean, you could almost live completely off. That's the unfortunate part. It's, it's milk has got a bad name or a bad rap because of what we've done to it. So do you want to know what else? If you go on forums, cause that went down the rabbit hole again,

Starting point is 00:31:06 and I haven't done this in a while in raw milk, there's all these forums of people are like, Oh, dairy milk is me acne. Right. People milk does this. They switched to raw milk acne gone. It wasn't the, it wasn't the milk. It was the fact that it was, you know, pasteurized and homogenized and it changes everything. By the way, did you know raw milk doesn't go sour? Yeah, you can have it forever.

Starting point is 00:31:24 It turns into like butter. Yeah. Because butter milk, did you know raw milk doesn't go sour? Yeah, you can have it forever. It turns into like butter. Yeah, it becomes butter milk. Whereas regular milk actually goes sour. And that's because raw milk has beneficial bacteria, whereas pasteurized milk has no bacteria. No bacteria. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:31:35 So crazy. And now here's the crazy part. I didn't hear you say either. It also destroys the digestive enzymes that are in there, which is part of what help people digest. A lot of people who think they can't, you have lactose, there's some lactase in raw milk. Now, if you're fully lactose intolerant, you can't do it.

Starting point is 00:31:48 But some people are like, oh, crap, when I have raw milk, I'm totally fine. Well, even goat milk, I've heard people are able to absorb and they're not reactive to that versus dairy. Have you guys seen, if you guys want any evidence that there are definitely elements of our laws and governments that are just absolutely crazy.

Starting point is 00:32:06 Have you ever seen, I think it's, I want to say it's the FDA. You ever seen them go in and raid a raw milk farm? Just like smash all the bottles and really? Yeah. It's like a drug. It's like they're going in to a meth house. Ridiculous. Oh, they're armed, fully armed, kicking.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Look at us. Yeah. Doug. Look up a raw milk farm. Great. You stop. You would be because here in our country, in America. Yeah, that's weird. In our country. If you haven't done a bunch of crazy shit. Well, I mean, I was around that industry, right? So I don't, you would think that you guys sell raw milk or do you guys pasteurize organic? No, we're, we're organic raw, dude. And raw. Yeah. Yeah. We have both and almonds. It was all, remember Iic, no, we were organic raw, dude. And raw? Yeah, yeah, we have both. And almonds, it was all, remember I told you,

Starting point is 00:32:48 so it was crazy, you know I didn't know what organic was until I worked there. Shipping raw milk across state lines has been illegal since the 80s, but the crackdown really started in the 2000s. Now what's funny about this is, it says OE coli and salamonola outbreaks. When you look at all the consumption of raw milk,

Starting point is 00:33:04 and look at how many people get sick from it and then the consumption of regular milk, it's actually far safer. The propaganda is crazy. It's like E. coli, it's always like spinach. Yeah, like somebody like didn't wash their vegetables and then they handled it and then got in your food. But you gotta look up Doug videos of these raids

Starting point is 00:33:21 because they're ridiculous. It looks like a drug raid going on, like the, uh, whatever, what's the name of the agency that breaks down? What's unfortunate for them too, is that there's, there's very minimal margins in that space too. And they, and they, the regulations are so high and they make it so difficult for someone to be really successful doing something like that.

Starting point is 00:33:41 Yeah. Look at this. They'll come in guns, guns drawn. Dude, what? Then they'll take their shit. Look at that, guns drawn. That's a farm. Like, why? Are they even armed? This is a farm, bro. Why are they pointing guns at them?

Starting point is 00:33:54 Yeah, dude. And that's ridiculous. It's like prohibition videos where they're like kicking down like, you know, things of alcohol and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Isn't that wild? Did you drink? Did you ever drink the milk straight?

Starting point is 00:34:06 Like, did you ever pour yourself a glass? Every morning I used to squirt into my milk in my coffee. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I would literally, that's how I would get my cream. I was like, delicious. I was like, delicious.

Starting point is 00:34:15 Teat, dude, because it's already warm and it's creamy. Yeah. Right into my coffee. Yeah. I wish I could have dairy. Justin's. That's disgusting. Justin. What? It's, it's, it's. I'm just, dude. So when I was a part of that, they were, Yeah, I wish I could have dairy So when I was a part of that they were

Starting point is 00:34:35 Number three of the eight only organic dairies in all of California. They still exist That company that company. No, no, but they remember I told you the husband and wife The wife was sleeping with the oh my friend. Yeah. Yeah They're for an off air story. Oh, God, that sucks. I do remember the story. Yeah, you remember the story now? Little sidebar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, they're not a lot.

Starting point is 00:34:54 I think a Netflix special? Yeah, it's a Netflix document. I've got a couple of those. Dark milk. To the dairy industry, the cannabis industry, the fitness industry, I'm pretty sure I could do three documentaries. More like a hallmark channel.

Starting point is 00:35:05 You've seen the dark. Come at me, Netflix. You've seen the dark, the dark underbelly of like, I, I was. I was so cheated. You'll see about everything. You know, it rules. Relationships. You still grumpy all the time.

Starting point is 00:35:16 Why don't you trust anybody? I would expect the weed industry, you know, but the fitness, I was in the fitness room, so I know how shitty it could be, but I didn't expect the milk industry. Yeah, dude, this is shady milk industry to have stories like that. Yeah, dude, it's just a shady gangster and all that stuff like that. It's really sad. It's really unfortunate. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:35:30 But yeah, I was a part of that early on. I didn't know what organic was until that. I learned about organic food and what that meant working. Were you the only, was there anybody else milking when you were doing that? When I started, it was only me. So I was like, their first hire, I was their first like. How many cows did you have to do? 130 something.

Starting point is 00:35:49 What? By your all day? You don't do it all by hand. I was gonna say. You prep them and then you hook them to a machine. Oh yeah. Yeah, by hand. I don't know bro.

Starting point is 00:35:57 By hand with. I see cartoons. You could maybe do three in a day. Massive forearms. I mean, so there has been times where you have to milk a cow like that by hand, you know, because like, let's say there's like, they have some sort of a there's a technique too, right? You don't want to squeeze it in the milk.

Starting point is 00:36:11 Oh yeah. No, like I guarantee if we all went there right now and we would all not be able to you would not be able to get the milk out. You would be like, it's not working. Why is this not working? And then I walk over to transitional. What topic there? Doug, there's big forearms.

Starting point is 00:36:24 You guys know there was actually a real guy behind Puppy? No. Yeah, they based it off of a real life person. You know that was one of my favorite cartoons? Oh, mine too. My grandpa actually did a really good impression of him. I have good memories of him. What was the initiative on the spinach?

Starting point is 00:36:40 Was that like, did spinach? No, no. This is what, because I thought that was like a big, you know, marketing ploy, like this is brilliant, big spinach they came in and, you know, they really got it in my life. I thought it was because kids lacked iron and that was the way of getting kids to have more.

Starting point is 00:36:53 So he actually would, so he was like a sailor, he actually came back to the States and, I wanna see the real pop. He would put like a pipe in the corner of his mouth and he'd tell these kids these tall stories of like his physical like strength feats and all these things like that he did overseas. Is that him?

Starting point is 00:37:12 Yeah, it looks like him. Yeah, with exactly. And then he actually based a lot of the strength feats he would tell them that it was because he ate all his spinach and like he actually like would describe what you see in the cartoons. Like that was like his real persona see in the cartoons like that was like His his real persona and somebody took that and like put it in onto a cartoon I never understood why they made his forearm so big and the rest of them normal. Yeah, I don't know

Starting point is 00:37:34 Like in the cartoon it was all four. Yeah. Yeah, cuz you know Jack he would be a great milker. Yeah Well, you know, you know it funny because I never thought about that. You know, when you tell the story, what's it say, Great Depression? It was to prompt children of all ages to eat more spinach. Okay, I think it was because at this point, iron deficiencies were a big deal and meat was very hard to come by.

Starting point is 00:37:58 And so they were like, we gotta get kids to eat more spinach. Yeah, I'm sure. Which by the way is a terrible way to get iron. Yeah, I'm sure they saw that opportunity and to get iron. Yeah, I'm sure there was they saw that opportunity and we're like, yeah You know, let's let's push this but like he actually put that in his story So he was it was all like authentic back when cartoons sold somewhat healthy food yet bugs I know yeah now we just get like fruit loops and like all this like just sugary

Starting point is 00:38:20 I so pop by the cartoon because I was so into getting strong or whatever is solely the reason because I was so into getting strong or whatever is solely the reason why I developed a taste for spinach. I hated spinach when I was a kid. I thought it was bitter and gross. Yeah. Watched Popeye and then it would ask, please make me spinach. My whole family thought I love spinach.

Starting point is 00:38:38 I don't love spinach. Nobody knew how to cook vegetables. Yeah. And no boomer. No, I challenge any boomer that listens to this. Like, like if they knew how to cook vegetables. Yeah, yeah. In no boomer. No. I challenged any boomer that listens to this like, like if they knew how to cook vegetables. They'd boil them. They didn't know what they were doing. Yeah. Or then they slap a lot of butter. They just put cheese on it. And then once the microwave came out it ruined everything. That was how we made vegetables.

Starting point is 00:38:58 You throw cheese on top of it. Yeah. Exactly. Well the kids will like it if I just douse it in all this. My family's Italian. We always had good food. Well, yeah, no, you guys know how to do that. I guess I can't really challenge that. Yeah, no, for sure, if you're Italian. You're American kids. Yeah, we threw like fucking Velveeto on top of it. Disgusting.

Starting point is 00:39:16 I seriously think we did. I think we did put Velveeto on top. I mean, it's disgusting. They make everything turn into jello. What's the plastic wrapper cheese? What's that? Oh, American cheese. Craft. Craft. Yeah. You know, can I just say something right now?

Starting point is 00:39:27 I have fond memories of Bologna. First of all, what the fuck is that? It's literally a large hot dog slice. That's what you think about, right? Bologna and Kraft singles cheese, mayonnaise, wonder bread sandwich. It would go in my bag, right? When I go to school and then it would be slightly melted by the time lunch time.

Starting point is 00:39:45 Oh my God, disgusting. And I mean, I must have developed like a, like even right now, I'd be like, that kind of sounds like I can eat that. Yeah. You know, just a memory. Thanks. Well, I kind of have that with peanut butter and jelly sandwich only cause I was the only thing I knew how to make and like, my parents, you figure it out, get

Starting point is 00:40:04 your own PB and J. I take, when I was competing and I needed to hit my calorie intake, I thought like PB and Js became like a, I brought that back. That was something I ate a lot of. Now did you guys do the jelly with the fruit chunks in it or just jelly? Did it all. Yeah, whatever. Even when you were a kid. You didn't mind the fruit chunks.

Starting point is 00:40:19 Remember that the one that were mixed together, they had like goobers or had like like jelly and. Lazy. How lazy do you have to do this? Yeah, I was like, what? Why? Just lazy. Hey, when you make a peanut butter, They're the one that were mixed together. They had like goobers or had like like jelly and lazy how lazy Yeah, I was like what why just lazy. Hey, you make a peanut butter and jelly. Do you do the peanut butter the jelly first? Oh I do the peanut butter What yeah, yeah, you're the only way bro bro. No you do not We have a good reason jelly first because the jelly wipes off on the bread and you have no jelly on the on the knife anymore

Starting point is 00:40:44 This is almost bad as you sit down on the toilet. Oh you guys are so wrong here It is always jelly first. You know you think like you know you think like a girl I mean it makes sense. That could be a compliment. It makes sense. I know if you do peanut butter first You'll never get peanut butter off it and now you get peanut butter in the jelly jar if you go jelly first I just like you wipe off on the bread and you have You are that guy you are that guy fucking just at me ever is allowed to make Peter bear jelly at my house never so that's not what I would always use two nights the batch or guy who only has four dishes you gotta do it You got fucking Justin Lick in the knife. You got Doug Waston still wearing it. You have no excuse.

Starting point is 00:41:26 Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's be real though. I didn't make my own set. Yeah, yeah. That's why you were puzzled. He's got the crust off his leg. I asked the triangles. Doug fired right away.

Starting point is 00:41:35 You know what you did. I was like, fuck. I'll just copy them. What would I do? Oh, wait a minute. You know, Adam, you do make sense. This might go down to the same quality of advice as your dishwasher. It is. If you don't know that, I know the same quality of advice as your dishwash

Starting point is 00:41:45 It is I if you don't know that I remember the first time someone taught me that that was like oh my god Why would I ever do peanut butter first because I always get peanut butter in the jelly jar But if you go jelly first you wipe it off on the bread and jelly comes right off People's lives I should call my mom right now ask her I feel like you should do that Bradley a minute dude like and then my brother would make one after you Just like I don't know what you're talking about right? I was disgusting. I would take the milk and just drink it right out of the gallon all the time and everybody would catch me and get all pissed off.

Starting point is 00:42:31 Oh, I bet it caused all kinds of fights tonight. It's alright. Everett's, you know, he's in the same trajectory as me. I have to like check him on all these things. It's hard, dude. Hard to watch. Dude, we were watching. So every night, like we kind of listen to music. So I told you guys before, he was like starting to sing and get into that, like in the shower and all that. And so, like Spotify has it where you can kind of pull their lyrics up and you can kind of see them all in almost karaoke.

Starting point is 00:42:59 So we started to do that. And he was laughing about like singers that have a really low voice. We started like Johnny Cash and then I was like, oh, you should check out like Barry White and you should check out like Isaac. Um, I forget his name, Isaac. Uh, but he did a shaft, the theme song. And so I'm like, Oh yeah, shaft. He's one bad mother. You know, shut your mouth. Like, and I'm like, Oh, this will be great, dude. He'll get a kick out of this.

Starting point is 00:43:26 And so we started playing it. It's a really long intro, you know? And it's just like getting in the whole funk and everything. And then I actually sent Doug the lyrics because this just like popped up and we started to sing it. And then I saw right away, I was like, oh! What is it? Please, Doug, be cute.

Starting point is 00:43:42 OK, I'm just reading this, OK? Who's the black private dick? That's a sex machine to all the chicks You're damn right Who is the man that would risk his neck for his brother man? Shaft chef. That's great. Can you dig it? Yeah? I can do it Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about? Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?

Starting point is 00:44:12 Yeah, yeah, so far so bad mother right on opener really they say this cat shaft is a bad mother Shut your mouth But I'm talking about shaft then we can dig it. He's a complicated man, but no one understands him, but his woman John Shaft Beautifully done. Whenever I hear can you dig it? I just think of the Warriors That's a great scene I tried to show you guys the other day Did you guys like movies like like the Warriors when you were kids? Yeah? Yeah? I mean I under watched there was a I have never seen the war You've talked about it before but I've never been compelled by the spirit

Starting point is 00:44:50 Whatever you're talking about movies Doug and I never Hold on a second. You never watch the war. It's in a category of like yeah, I won't watch it. No, listen. You've seen the warrior No, I haven't I've never watched it. I thought you saw it when you were kid No, no, I said movie you would like as a kid. Yeah, not now now you watch this cheesy. You've seen it Yeah, I see it. Okay, but you liked what's that? Yeah, I like the electric or breaking breaking like New York or whatever. Those are good No, I got into the gang movies dude because I thought I was bad ass I saw the Warriors then I saw well the outsiders was the best one. That's a good movie. You guys have seen the outside I've seen parts of it. So I don't think I've ever wanted the full out

Starting point is 00:45:22 I don't think I've watched any of the cast of the I've ever watched? I don't think I've watched any of those. Do I pull up the cast of the outsiders? No, I know everyone's in it. You will not find a movie with more superstars. Yeah, no, it's Staz for sure. I know that. You will not find a movie with more superstars in it. I guess like one of those shows that it's been on TV since we were kids, like so many times, and I've probably caught parts of it, but I don't think I've ever turned it on and said I'm gonna watch this for you.

Starting point is 00:45:38 I literally thought like I'm gonna be these guys as a kid. I don't know why. Yeah, Matt Dillon, Steve Thomas Howell, Ralph Macchio. Macchio. Macchio. Doug, you make them hard every time. I'm sorry. Patrick Spade.

Starting point is 00:45:50 I'm not Italian, Patrick Spade. Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise, Emilio Estevez. Dude, Tom Cruise, isn't that? Bro, oh yeah. Oh yeah, dude. Wow. Yes, he's Soda Pop. Matt Dillon was in that great movie.

Starting point is 00:46:01 It was such a good movie. Anyway, I watched that, then I watched The Warriors, then I watched The Wanderers, which is a really cheesy gang movie. But I totally got into that kind of shit. Yeah, it was a whole season there where I was watching these. This is before the real gang movies, before like Boys in the Hood, shit like that. Yeah, I had a dad win. I wanted to share with you guys.

Starting point is 00:46:24 Remember I told you that I, I implemented this thing with, with max. And you know, you, you, you do these things and you always wonder, like, you know, is it worth what I did? Is it going to pan out or is it going to help at all or whatever? And, uh, he hadn't asked me to buy anything in, in quite some time. And I came home last night and he's into this thing that my mom got him for his birthday. They're like number blocks and that like it's a game and it's basically

Starting point is 00:46:46 helping him with math and understanding like how you can, uh, you turn, uh, nine into a cube still with three threes, three three, like you can do. It's like a cool way. Yeah. It's like a hands-on, cool math game thing. And he really is into it, right? And it comes with like the first 10. And then I guess you can buy

Starting point is 00:47:05 additional stuff with that. He found out like after playing it with Katrina Fluss days. And as soon as I walked in the door, daddy, can you buy me this? Can you buy me this? I said, oh, you want me to buy that for you? How many goes? Yeah. How many books do I need to read?

Starting point is 00:47:16 Oh, yeah. Son, how many did you make him read? 10. Yeah. Tens of books, 10s. I mean, his books are pretty. You know, I gotta be careful because I gotta read them really. Yeah, I gotta read them.

Starting point is 00:47:28 I gotta read them right now. Eventually, we will up the ante when he's actually doing the work. You know, you might see this is the problem with the daughter. This is my problem with daughters. My sons will say, can you buy me this? And they're like, ah, no, whatever. My daughter, my 14 year old doesn't even ask. Just send me a picture.

Starting point is 00:47:46 I'll just get a picture. I'll be like, Oh, she wants that. Let me go on Amazon real quick. Jessica checks me. She's like, why do you keep doing that shit? And then my youngest, my 14 month old or whatever. I'm brewing. I'm screwed with that little one.

Starting point is 00:47:59 I know it. Oh, that's gonna be tough, man. I mean, is there, is there, uh, there's somewhat of a good side to that too. Right. Cause I think that the, whatever you do, dad wise, you kind of set the bar expectations for the man. So I mean the, the, the man that's going to be a shitty, uh, he's gonna have a, uh, I think a boyfriend has got a buy really good either.

Starting point is 00:48:19 I mean, he's gonna hate you. I'll watch him. He can't come talk to me cause I'll be, I'll be cool with him. So I come and talk to me like that. Listen, Mr. DeStefano, like I love your daughter, but she's supposed to be by Three jobs, you know, I feel like she doesn't love me unless I buy her things. I'll be like You don't want to shift? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:41 Yeah. Fuck. I keep your ass, kid. I keep talking about that anyway. Did you know that there's a new male contraceptive that might be hitting the market soon? Doug, look up a male contraceptive testicle gel. Wow.

Starting point is 00:48:58 Testicle gel. Yeah, the inject this gel. You should do this. Into your, I'm gonna get the actual. Wait, wait, wait, inject? What do you mean inject? That's where you use a going to get the actual. We inject? We mean inject. That's where you use a needle and then you put it. Okay, that's what I thought.

Starting point is 00:49:11 Really? They will put a gel. Why would you want to inject gel in your balls? Not in your balls, in the tube that brings the sperm, that brings the sperm down. So instead of cutting them, they put this gel in there and it blocks the sperm from coming through. And I guess the good thing about this is it's reversible. Whereas a vasectomy, very expensive, shitty process to try to reverse a vasectomy.

Starting point is 00:49:34 How long does the gel last? That's a good question. We should look it up. I don't even know if it's approved yet. Yeah. What does that say, Doug? The gel contains two hormones, synthetic progesterone,

Starting point is 00:49:44 which blocks natural testosterone production in the testes and reduces sperm production. The second, a replacement testosterone maintains, oh, this is way worse than I thought. I'm not sure I ever want to use a cream on myself that is messing with my hormones. Yeah, this is way worse than I thought. I interpreted as, it's called vasal gel.

Starting point is 00:50:02 What a terrible idea. Yeah, why would you put that in your on yourself? Oh, like start with the first picture and you're in that too. So they inject locking it So it's basically like yeah, so Vasal gel is injected into the lumen the hollow interior of the vast difference different Deference that's a gel fills the inferior interior forming a soft semi-permeable gel barrier that nestles. I like all the words they use.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Oh, nestles. Oh, that's nice. Blocks the fuck out of your sperm is what it does. It's like a nice like Swiss Miss Coco. Gently hugs your tongue. Nestles into the tiny folds in the walls of the Vasta Friends. Sperm are too big to get through the gel barrier,

Starting point is 00:50:41 so the sperm end up being reabsorbed by the body. Reversal has been shown in animals, but not yet in humans. To remove it, they dissolve it and flesh it out with an injection of a simple solution. What the hell is that? Yeah. So hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:50:56 Is vasogel hormone or not? Was that the same thing that you were reading, Doug? Yeah, I believe it is. Look up vasogel. So they say it's non-hormonal, so. Okay okay so this is the one I saw yeah yeah I was like I definitely put nothing on this like god damn what is this was this from 2013 I'll leave it to Sal to bring up some new cutting edge check this stuff out from 1998. Did you guys know we landed on the moon? At the time this was in research stages only.

Starting point is 00:51:33 So is it still not approved? There might be more updates. Did you see a new article? It's a past-fumped-up article. I wonder if maybe it's hit in the market now or something. Here's why I wouldn't do something like that. We don't know what the gel does, maybe it's, it's hitting the market now or something. You know, I, I, here's why I wouldn't do something like that. We don't know what the gel does. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:47 It goes. And then why would, okay. Why not just do a vasectomy then? I don't. The problem is, obviously it's hard to reverse. Is this why you're looking at this content? Cause, uh, you had one scheduled, right? I do.

Starting point is 00:51:58 It's still do. I know, to be honest with you, I wasn't looking this up. It popped up for some reason. These phones listen to us. I swear to God, bro. They hear you talk. Swear to God. I 100% believe that. It's so weird. Yeah. I don't looking this up. It popped up for some reason. These phones listen to us. That's what I got, bro. They hear you talk swear to God. I 100% believe that.

Starting point is 00:52:06 It's so weird. Yeah. I don't know how many times this has happened recently now where we're having a conversation like this. And then I go to Google search it and I put the first letter in and it has the whole sentence of what I asked. And I'm like, that can't be possible. What does that say?

Starting point is 00:52:19 For sure. The side effects, of course, this is from their website, are minimal. It does not have the side effects of vasectomy and is not hormonal. So it does not have an influence on the body's system. The noticeable side effects could be a little bit of swelling after the lot of unsatisfactory endings. Yeah. What's that? What's that? How do you reverse the vasectomy?

Starting point is 00:52:39 We should look that up real quick. Just for me. Just see what that looks like. I'm sure you just reattached the tubes. Just reassert the tubes. Up for your kid. Nobody else cares, bro. Look at how you made research first. Yeah, I'm looking at this gel. I mean, I wouldn't do it personally.

Starting point is 00:52:53 It may cause permanent scarring or changes to the vast deference and whether repeat injections could be done safely. Yeah. And if it's actually working, you know, so there's some concerns about that too. So good luck with that. So the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Justin, what was it that prevented you from getting it? I'm sad. It was reduced volume. Literally, it was all psychological. I just was like, I didn't want to show up, you know?

Starting point is 00:53:30 I was like, on my way to do it, and I just was like, nah. And you can't work out for like a few days, right? Or is it a week? Well, you know what too, is because I've heard that, I mean, the percentages where people actually still will get pregnant or, you know, it didn't really, basically, it didn't like act as a contraception at that point. Like there was a lot of cases and having to do it again, I've heard stories of that. And so I was just like, I heard too many of my like close friends that have done it.

Starting point is 00:54:02 What happened? Yeah, like they, it didn't work. What do you mean? They had another kid. Oh, shit. Yeah. And I was like, excuse me? Like, no, that's not like, I want like a guarantee.

Starting point is 00:54:13 Yeah. You know, like slap some guarantees on there. Wow. Wow. But, uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's those are the, is it more, is it more or less than, uh, the, uh, tubes getting tied both, both financially and also protective wise than the tubes getting tied? Both financially and also protective wise.

Starting point is 00:54:27 So tubes getting tied is a surgery? Well, that's the thing. That's more of a serious surgery versus, yeah, this is, what do you say, laparoscopic? It's like a pretty non-invasive. Yeah, it's boom, boom, boom, apparently. Apparently. I'd love to say that.

Starting point is 00:54:40 They'll say that. You'll feel the effects later. That's a fact. I'll tell the truth. All the women will make fun of you you know because you'll sit there at their little ice pack and little donut yeah I'll tell the pillow you just say envision someone kicking you in the nuts and see how that makes you feel no I can't be that painful well I'm just saying like that's how sensitive that area is just a thought of that bothers but I feel like it will be like a achy

Starting point is 00:55:03 it's the tube the ball doesn't get touched It's the far away. Yeah, so they cut where? Like where you're like in the Bonch area. I think oh The whole the body underneath or the top of the ball. You better get this clear You guys are way different places ones in North Pole South Pole where you I thought I went under I have no idea Where they gonna go? I thought they go in I thought there. I thought they went under. I have no idea. Where are they going to go to the top? I thought they go in. I thought they were. I thought it's somewhere in the balls and the shafts. No, no.

Starting point is 00:55:29 It's below, you think? The upper part of the scrotum under the penis. Okay, so it's in between. It's in between. It's right in between. Okay, so it's above the, it's above the neck. Yeah, but it's, that's, I mean, that's right in the- That's not the ball though.

Starting point is 00:55:40 I mean, it's not in it, but I mean, that's close enough. Are we trying to talk me out of it? You want me to? I know, I know. You guys know that. You should be convincing me to get it. Who got it? It's like, it, but I mean, that's close enough. We try to talk me out of it. You guys know that you should be convincing me to get it. Oh, God. It's like, it's like lift up the hood. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, we're going to switch over to Hey, do you guys see a whole Kogan got baptized? Maybe your best transition in a long time. Yeah, brother. He did. I did.

Starting point is 00:56:05 He got baptized. Really? He did. Really? Born again. Finally, he's a brother in Christ. Now, okay. Is this like pretty recent news?

Starting point is 00:56:12 Yeah. Okay. So I think it happened like last month. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And it was really nice. It was really, did you watch the video? Uh, yeah, I did see that.

Starting point is 00:56:19 Yeah. I've seen, I've seen a few celebrities now kind of going in that. What is going on? There's a cultural shift. You've been saying, you've been saying this. So give me the credit. You know, you've been saying that there now kind of going in that. What is going on? There's a cultural shift happening right now. Yeah, you've been saying this, so we'll give you the credit. You know, you've been saying that

Starting point is 00:56:27 there's this massive culture shift and we're seeing it. And you know, is it or has it just gotten so bad the other side that we cling on to these few stories? No, I think that's what's causing it. Who was it? Andrew, was it you that said that you had a pastor friend that said that all the services are packed now? Yeah, well the church I go to in Santa Clara,

Starting point is 00:56:44 I think it's Santa Clara, yeah. There's a couple of different locations, one East Coast and West Coast. In the pastor there, he talked a lot about how in the last couple of years, basically there's been a lot more people showing up than ever in both locations. There's a lot of people feeling like there's some kind of spiritual war going on, and the culture is polarizing in either direction. So in fact, I was talking to that's who the shout out is today. Father Steve, he's a one of the producers of the word on fire podcast. Love this guy.

Starting point is 00:57:12 He's one of the nicest, best people in the world. Super cool guy. He's also jacked, which is really cool. Like when we first went in there to interview Bishop Barron, I remember I got my attention. There's just something about that about seeing like a love priest. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's kind of cool. You know what I mean? It's kind of cool. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:57:25 It's like, oh, this guy's, this guy's legit. But anyway, um, he's such a nice guy. He's got a great account on X. You could follow that. You could, you could follow him. Does he post a lot? He does. Okay.

Starting point is 00:57:35 He does. And he'll post, uh, some, usually it's about, um, you know, like Christian stuff or Catholic stuff, but everyone's going to talk about working out. Oh, he does. Yeah, he does. Let me see what his, what's his, what's his. I've seen, I follow him on Instagram. So he does like, you know, he every now and then

Starting point is 00:57:50 he'll do like a post and he's like after an arm pump or something. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it's so, it's so funny to see that, right? It's so cool. But anyway. It's lifting the weight of the world. Yeah, father Steve, find him on, on Instagram,

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Starting point is 00:58:39 I'll just get right into it. I went through menopause at the early age of 37 after having to get radiation in my hip and pelvis, my my capacity for exercise ability to recover and build muscle have been impacted. I was a triathlete for nine years until it was diagnosed with metastatic lung cancer. I recently underwent a hip replacement in June of last year. So my overall fitness level right now is less than ideal compounded by the post-menopause stuff. I haven't been in a gym to do weight training in quite some time. I've tried some of the Peloton strength classes, but it's hard to keep up with

Starting point is 00:59:15 the pace. There's a lot of hit and a lot of changing body positions really quickly. So I'd love to hear some advice that you all have for experience with working with post-op hip replacement surgery clients and getting stronger in different ways while healing and taking into consideration the post-menopause. Dana, thank you so much for calling. You've been through a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do? Now, you work and it looks like you work in the medical field.

Starting point is 00:59:42 I do. I work in the ICU. I'm a physical therapist. Oh, wonderful. Okay, good. So you know, you have a good idea around kind of correctional exercise and whatnot. Okay, so, so your young woman, you've been your body's been through some tremendous stress even before the diagnosis you trained as a triathlete and I've trained a few Uh, the diagnosis you trained as a triathlete and I've trained a few, uh, triathletes and they are, um, I would put them near the top of athletes that tend to, um, just overdo it with exercise and stress. And I mean, it's just kind of part of the, of the sport. I remember the first time I had a client who was a triathlete, the,

Starting point is 01:00:20 the miles that he logged, uh, for running, biking and swimming. And then he wanted to work out with me. I know, it's unreal. And it was, yeah. And it was, I could, it was almost like, it was a puzzle. I was like, well, what do I do? How do I add more physical stress to this person's body without completely overwhelming their ability to adapt and recover?

Starting point is 01:00:38 And so what I did is I dramatically reduced all of the other stuff that he did. And I trained him, and this is not an exaggeration. We did about 35 to 40 minutes worth of strength training a week. And now this was a long process of really trying to figure this out. Again, this was one of my first clients that trains,

Starting point is 01:00:58 in fact, he was in the medical field as well, as an ear, nose, and throat specialist. And when we did that, when we finally hit the right amount, not only did he feel good, but his numbers just went through the roof. I mean, his speed went up, his strength went up and it was, and I remember how indisputably he was because he's like, God, I'm doing way less than I've ever done, uh, you know, as part of this training and I'm getting such better results.

Starting point is 01:01:23 And that just really highlighted our, especially people, I would say in the medical field, I think there's a bit of a bias, self-selection bias, whether you're like yourself physical therapist or, you know, like I said, your nose and throat specialist, you just have this ability to ignore or withstand stress. You just, I mean, it's just a kind of part of it. Like you just go through it, you train your butt off,

Starting point is 01:01:47 you study your ass off, you're tired, so what? Keep going, you know, and you just kind of make it happen. But that does have some potential ramifications you have to deal with. Someone like yourself, Dana, what we want to do, and this is true for most people, but this is especially true for someone like yourself, is we want to enable your body's ability to heal.

Starting point is 01:02:09 We want to enable your body's ability to adapt. So we really, really, really have to be careful with doing the absolute minimum amount required to make that happen. And that means we're gonna scale way back, probably so far back that you're even going to feel uncomfortable with how little you're doing, but where you're going to have to focus on is this.

Starting point is 01:02:31 You're going to have to focus on the, how you feel and your performance. If those are moving in the right direction, however little you think you're doing, that's going to be the right amount. Now, as far as movement is concerned, you're a physical therapist, you know, better than we do on, uh, how how what your movement limitations are going to be. And I know when they do hip replacements, they're not exactly at all like a typical hip. There's gonna be some limitations on external rotation and abduction, all that stuff. So you have to train within those parameters. And you probably know when it's your hip joint versus when it's, you know, let's say muscle

Starting point is 01:03:09 stability or strength. Is that accurate? Do you know that when you're moving and you go, okay, that's my hip joint that has nothing to do with my muscles or strength? Yeah, it's hard. So I was so weak and I sent a video, it was the last minute thing. I didn't know if you guys wanted to look at what my walking was like before my hip replacement. It was hard for me to tell what was joint limitation versus what was pain versus what

Starting point is 01:03:35 was just like, I mean, between the radiation and the pain. I mean, I just had like no hip flexor, no glute strength. It was really kind of embarrassing, especially because I work with patients with neurological issues. So, you know, I'd be sitting there telling my patient like, stand on your leg. Meanwhile, I'm like, I can't really stand on my leg, but like, you need to stand on yours. So it's hard and still is kind of hard for me to tell what's scar tissue from surgery, from radiation, what's just compensatory strategies over, you know, Okay, so let's, let's start like this. Typically what you start with is balance and stability. Then we start to move into, Like isometrics, I was going isometrics and unilateral work.

Starting point is 01:04:27 Like I think symmetry would be such a good program for her potentially, right? Cause you, but you would need to start with stability, isometrics, then you would do small movements, moving to bigger movements, then moving to more traditional movements. So what it would look like is, um, you know, balance, then it would look like balance while maybe doing some counter balance type stuff. So I'm going to, let's say I'm going to stand on one leg,

Starting point is 01:04:50 right? That would be balance, right? Just basic. Another, then a progression from that would be standing on one leg while moving my arm out in front of me to the side or a band is distracting you. Miguel plane. Yeah. Or something like, and then the next level would be, okay, can I push my leg into an immovable object? So I'm not moving it, but I'm abducting into this immovable object and creating tension and holding that for 15 seconds. Then the next level would be to move your leg out further to work on a different isometric contraction. So this will be the progression. Okay. Then the next, you know, level would be just abduction, flexion, extension, and it would be kind of the single joint type

Starting point is 01:05:32 of movement just to kind of connect to things. And then the next level would be, can I sit down and stand up while maintaining stability and balance? And then you can move on to, you know, different exercises. We'll send you map symmetry, but you probably are going to want to start before that and slowly progress yourself. Now we have some, I don't know if you want to call them complications, but things to consider like the fact that you're, you've gone through menopause. Are you on hormone therapy by any chance or is that contraindicated because, okay, so you're on hormones then.

Starting point is 01:06:03 Okay. So, in that case, uh, I would do what I said, are you doing any of the exercise right now? I should try to pal it on. I ride, I ride my bike. Um, I have started doing Pilates, which is a really great way to just be anti gravity, but still do something because it is hard for me to squat in lunch without just looking like a complete ass hat for lack of a better word.

Starting point is 01:06:31 So that's been really nice to be able to strengthen, you know, doing bridging, but then after a while, you know, like you're like, well, maybe I want to do a squat, but like the bridging is okay. So those transitions are still kind of dicey. Yeah, okay. By the way, we used to manage gyms and I can answer for my partners.

Starting point is 01:06:50 We used to see people working out all the time. We'd see people squat four or 500 pounds. We'd see people do crazy things. Nobody was more impressive than the people that were in their challenge because of either a previous injury or because they had moving issues. So you don't look like an ass hat to anybody. If I saw you working out, you'd probably inspire the hell out of me.

Starting point is 01:07:08 So let's be, yeah, be a little, be gentle to yourself. Okay. So I don't like Peloton for you. I don't like any kind of, it's fine to build like, like stamina, nothing wrong with that. It's repetitive in the same plane while we're trying to work on mobility in the hips. And it's not building strength Maybe a little bit and then that's it and if anything it may actually cause atrophy if you push that too hard It's too much of a stress. I think you should do pure Pilates is okay. I don't know how often are you doing Pilates? I'm twice a week. Okay. I would do that I would go Pilates once or twice a week and then I would like all your energy should be towards

Starting point is 01:07:45 What would be considered strength training now that could be isometrics, that could be stability, like I said, and that could be traditional strength training exercises. But it should be focused on getting stronger before you do any other, you know, form of exercise. That's what's going to move you in the right direction. I mean, I really feel like you can follow symmetry and regress some of the potential hip stuff if you need to. And I think with your background, I think you're going to know that as you go into, because there's a lot of, there's obviously a lot of upper body stuff that I think you can follow it as exactly how it's laid out. But as you get to some of these areas that where you might find yourself really challenged, you would regress back to do some of these

Starting point is 01:08:23 stability moves like Sal's talking about. But I really think that program, like as far as the intensity, the frequency of training and stuff that I'd have you doing, the type of movement, the fact that the whole first very gradually leads you. Yeah, the first phase is all isometric. So it'll be a great phase. So I think that's and here's here's something. Okay, what you might notice or what might be good for you is you might find when you get into some of the leg stuff that you might extend the isometric portion of the program longer. So in other words, as you follow the program, the isometric lower body body portion is what you continue to do as you progress through the rest of the program with your upper body. Yeah, because you're going to find you could probably start doing, you know, chest, shoulder stuff and move to phase two, no problem. But you might be hindered a little bit still in the lower body. And so just extend the, the phase of isometrics in there until you feel confident, okay, I can move to the next phase.

Starting point is 01:09:17 I might even extend the program itself in terms of like the first three phases, not even entertain the fourth phase for a while. So this would be like, uh, run it multiple times in a row even entertain the fourth phase for a while. So this would be like run it multiple times in a row without doing the fourth phase. Yeah, no, that's that's great advice. Well, that's good structure, though. Like as far as I mean, I you if you're a client of mine, we'd be doing a lot of isometric stability stuff, we would definitely not be doing bilateral.

Starting point is 01:09:40 The frequency that it's laid out would look like that. The only thing different is I wouldn't put I wouldn't do the final phase, but it's really, and then you'd be doing a lot of unilateral stuff I would want, especially when we're doing lower body stuff, you've probably heard us talk about this, mirror the weaker side, right? So always start with the most challenging side for you. And if that only gets two or three reps, you know, then you're only doing two or three reps on the other side or whatever you can do on the weak side, mirror that with a dominant side. That's the lead. That's the side that leads the rest of the body. Fatigue is your enemy in this, right? So you want to make sure every rep itself is very, you're fully recovered. You have full like attention and focus for each one of those reps is we're re patterning and we're

Starting point is 01:10:25 re establishing this, this solid strong connection. In other words, Dana, stop the set when your form moves away from perfect, not when you can't do any more reps or when you feel super tired. So it's like, I'm perfect form, perfect form, perfect form. I'm off. That's it. I'm going to stop the set there, rest and repeat. If you do, if you move outside of perfect technique, that becomes the pattern that you start to then develop and train. And you will progress that way still. Okay. The user thing too, training your, the rest of your body, there, there is a, of course,

Starting point is 01:10:58 most of the strength building effects from strength training or localized to the area that you're training, but there also is a systemic effect. I don't know if you're familiar with the research on that. There was, there was a couple of studies, one of them was amazing where they had, uh, they immobilized somebody's arms, so like the simulated cast, and they had half the people strengthened the other arm. And then the other half of the people did nothing. And the people that worked on the arm that was not immobilized reduced the

Starting point is 01:11:22 amount of weak of strength loss and muscle loss in the arm that was mobilized. So in other words, like, you know, some people are like, Oh, I can't really work out my whole body. So I'm just not going to work out at all. That's not true. Training your upper body, training your other light, whatever that will also, there's a systemic kind of effect that happens as well. It's not just localized data.

Starting point is 01:11:42 We have a dugs in a send over map symmetry to you. I'm also going to have him put you in our forum too. That way, as you're going through the program, the process, if there's anything that you are challenged with, you have a question with, or if you even want to video doing some of the movements and share with us in there, one of us or Dr. Brink who's in there,

Starting point is 01:12:02 who's a movement specialist, who's brilliant, will help guide you through that process. How is diet for you? Are you aiming for like a high protein diet? Are you trying to hit your target body weight and protein, all that? I appreciated your most recent, call it a program.

Starting point is 01:12:21 Like you can tell the age group that I hang out with people call them shows, but I still call them programs. The talk about protein and how really it's really hard to hit protein. If you're doing like I'm trying to hit 115 and that's hard. I mean, if I get to 70, I'm like, this is really hard. And then I finally got to 115 for the first time two days ago and I was like, this is, it takes a lot of planning. So I am trying.

Starting point is 01:12:52 It's, it's tricky. Dana, I want to, I'm going to hammer this home. Okay. Look at the data on branched chain amino acid supplementation, glutamine supplementation, leucine supplementation, glutamine supplementation, um, loosing supplementation, and then protein intake on, uh, recovery from injury or burns, like three to third degree burns or bed rest. The data is amazing. And what, what they'll show is like, oh my, okay, we took all these people

Starting point is 01:13:21 who were in the hospital for surgery or injury or skin burn. And then we gave them branch chain amino acids, or we gave them glutamine, or we gave them some other amino acid. And the recovery was like 20 to 30% faster in some of these studies. And then there's studies on protein intake. Now, the reason why the amino acid studies show what they show is because, I mean, that's like getting more protein. Okay.

Starting point is 01:13:44 So if, as you're going through this process, hitting those protein targets, forget the whole like it makes me leaner and I build more, it will accelerate your body's ability to recover tremendously. This is not a nominal, this is not like a small effect. This is a very big effect. So really prioritize it in 115 grams. You know, I would say start your day off with like 40 grams of protein And then you're like you're a big chunk of the way there if you don't start your day off with like a 40 to 50 gram

Starting point is 01:14:14 protein Meal it's as you know It'll be hard to catch up the rest of the day and of course try and do it from whole natural foods But you shakes if you have to Okay, all right. All right, Dana. Thank you so much for calling in. We'll see you in the warm. And I do want to tell you guys that since listening to your podcast and going through like my own exercise limitations, you've really inspired me to explore starting an adaptive gym for patients with near care partners.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Cause I think that that's, I mean, we know how important it is for us to exercise, right? And then you have patients and their care partners who are, they're just physically not able to do it in the same way. And no one wants to go to a gym space if they, that's if they did exercise before their injury. So that was, that was my dream back in the day. Now that's exactly what I was trying to do back in the day.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Are you attending our train the trainer? It's happening live. In fact, tonight's day three. Have you watched any of it? Because I think you'd love it. I think it'd be, yeah, you should definitely. Let's send her a link to some of those. And then yeah, so.

Starting point is 01:15:19 Mindpumptrainer.com, right? Oh, mindpumptrainer.com. By the way, when this airs, that's gonna be passed. But that's okay. But she can do it. If she registers right now, she'll get it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just saying for the audience in general.

Starting point is 01:15:31 Yeah, cause this airs much later. Audience is screwed, but you're okay. You're good, Dana. I don't care about everybody else right now. So right now, go to mindpumptrainer.com and submit your email, and then you'll get the recordings from Monday and Tuesday, but it's literally we're helping health, and you don't have to be a trainer already.

Starting point is 01:15:47 If it's something that you are aspiring to do, we're speaking to everybody as far as helping them. Yeah, especially if you want to open your own business, you'll love it. Yep. Oh, great. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Thanks, David. Take care.

Starting point is 01:16:00 Ah, so, you know, sometimes I just want to hug someone through the camera. I know, right? Oh my God, she's been through a lot. Holy, she's 37, she's been through so much. Brutal. And, you know, side note, to have a physical therapist ask us what they should do for exercise is humbling. That's an honor, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:17 Super humbling. The best correctional exercise people have ever worked with in my entire life, um, well, physical therapist. I always credit the one I worked with. So, you know, what's interesting is that obviously she has a very special condition of everything that she's been through, but the advice is very similar to what we would tell anybody that is

Starting point is 01:16:34 extremely deconditioned or rehabbing anything else. It's like, and, and what will probably be the most challenging thing for her is the, the challenge of, uh, she's a triathlete, right? Well, she's a triathlete physical therapist. She's a killer. Yeah. So for her to know like I'm going too far, that's gonna be hard. Yeah. And in doing things like isometrics can be torturous for somebody like this just because and she's gonna be tempted to want to do more or to rest less. And if everything's revolved around movement and isometrics, you're not moving. Yes. So this is a totally different mindset

Starting point is 01:17:09 you gotta bring in. But if she stays the course, we have her in the forum. So hopefully we can keep her focused on the big picture and can't wait to see her. And then we didn't focus on the menopause, but when your body's building muscle and it wants to and the conditions are right, your body has to organize its hormones in a way to do so, and the hormonal profile that is muscle-building is the hormone profile everybody's looking for, balanced, youthful, etc.

Starting point is 01:17:37 Our next caller is Katie from Washington. Hi, Katie. How can we help you? Hi. How are you guys? Good. How can we help you? Hi. How are you guys? Good. Good. How can we help you? What's going on? Yeah. So, um, I'll give you a little bit of background. Um, so growing up, I was always a big athlete. I played, uh, sports all through high school, um, in college, I went on to do a few marathons, um, and then in my late twenties, early thirties, I did a few bodybuilding

Starting point is 01:18:01 competitions. Um, and then in my mid th30s, I had two boys. And after the first one, my body bounced back right away. After the second one, though, it did not bounce back the way I wanted it to. The weight was just kind of hanging on. My sleep was horrible. I just couldn't sleep through the night anymore.

Starting point is 01:18:29 And then I just had an overall kind of feeling of I couldn't get back in shape. So a friend had recommended I go see this performance health coach who did a full blood panel and he suggested that I do testosterone. He said that my testosterone levels were very low and so he recommended that. He put me on 10 units, which I guess is a very small dose. So I started taking the testosterone after like two to three weeks. I started feeling really good. My energy in the gym was great. I was recovering from my workouts a lot faster. The weight was coming off, I was sleeping a lot better. So everything was going good. And then like week three to four, my libido hit. And it was very, very intense, very strong. It was great.

Starting point is 01:19:17 My husband was happy about it. But then it almost like got too much where he was like, you know, all right, you need to I mean, everything was turning me on. Like, you know, as you guys know, it's testosterone, you know, there's part of your anatomy that can get larger. And so, you know, just wearing tight yoga pants was, you know, I felt like masturbating. Like I was just like, okay, so this is a little a little too much. So I decided to go back down to eight units. And after doing that, my sleep got horrible. And I just kind of felt not as great as I had been on the 10 units.

Starting point is 01:20:01 I was moodier. And so I decided to go back on the 10 units. But that kind of just brings me to my question of how much of the results that I was seeing are a direct impact from the testosterone versus a little bit of a chicken in the egg. Maybe I was feeling so great because I was getting better sleep. Maybe my mood was better because I was sleeping better

Starting point is 01:20:26 and just give me more energy, which is helping with my workout recovery, versus it's a direct impact of the testosterone. Great, great question. And then the other question I had was, is it too much? Is the fact that I'm seeing a larger, I don't know if I can say it on

Starting point is 01:20:45 there, but like a larger clit and I'm getting like, you know, intense orgasms and the sex is good. Is that a sign that it's too much and that should be on a lower dose? Or is it safe that it's like, you know, just enjoy the ride? Yeah. Okay. So literally, really good question. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So here's, here's the, here's the negative with a hormone therapy. So I'll use an analogy. Okay. It's like, you see smoke, you're in the forest. Oh my God, there's tons of smoke. So you end up buying a really, really good air filter to get rid of the smoke. But what ends up happening is you miss that there's a fire.

Starting point is 01:21:21 There's a fire that's causing all the smoke. Now you can breathe now. You got the air is clean, but the, the, the, the, what was causing the smoke, you know, we're not really solving. And eventually that fire will get so hot and burn everything out. So here's the, the, the potential negatives with hormone therapy. When hormones are off, it's typically because of something else. Now you had a kid second time around, I know that's a lot, I have four kids, so although I didn't have the children,

Starting point is 01:21:51 I could see what it does to a mom, your body becomes hypervigilant, every noise wakes you up, this is an evolutionary thing. Obviously sleep is off, now you're caring for another person. Taking care of two kids versus one is not double the work, it's like 10 times the work. People who have more than one kid know what I'm talking about. And so what happens is your hormones get affected as a result of this.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Lack of sleep, all these things, your hormones get affected. Testosterone goes down, libido disappears, exactly because your body's like, no more kids, please, we can barely handle what we have here at the moment. We got to make sure you feel safe and secure. So then you take testosterone and the other stuff doesn't necessarily get fixed, but the testosterone itself is so powerful that it can make you feel amazing. It can make you feel good. It could give you lots of energy and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:22:40 So is what you're taking too much. That would be more of a question for your doctor. However, from my understanding, if the symptoms of hormone replacement therapy start to get in the way of what you would consider to be a good life, then I would say it is too much. Can too much of a libido be a bad thing? Well, yeah, I mean, if it starts to cause issues with your partner, if you start to not be able to think about other things or whatever, then it may be too

Starting point is 01:23:10 much. So I think that we want to identify the lifestyle factors that we're contributing to the lower testosterone because ideally look, and we work with a hormone therapy company and they're exceptional, but we're always going to say, if you can get your hormones to be in great range without having to take supplement supplemental hormones, that's ideal. The hormones are really a great place when, you know, I'm on testosterone and I was doing everything that I could to get my testosterone levels up. And my testosterone was in the floor and this probably had to do with, uh, you know, steroid abuse that I did in my 20s.

Starting point is 01:23:48 So taking testosterone was really more of a necessity than anything. So that's really the conversation you want to have with yourself and knowing your background and what happened, you probably were just overstressed. Your body was just probably taking on way, way, way too much. Now, the way you would work with this is you would work with your doctor. I would work with a functional medicine practitioner who really is trying to work with natural systems in the body.

Starting point is 01:24:15 And then what the doctor would probably do is slowly scale you down while simultaneously working on lifestyle factors to get your body back into balance. And then eventually, ideally, ideally, Katie, you'd wanna be off testosterone and have your body just naturally have the hormone levels that you're looking for.

Starting point is 01:24:34 But it's really like, it's not unlike taking caffeine because my sleep is bad. It's like, I got bad sleep, but I'm taking caffeine, so now I have energy. So it's, you know, okay, I got more energy, so it's better than nothing, but it's the sleep that was the issue. So we got to look at the lifestyle and see what was going on. And it probably includes mindfulness, your, you know, the other activities in your life,

Starting point is 01:24:58 sleep and what we can do around that. And I'm not saying testosterone is a bad thing. It may be that the way your lifestyle is organized to where, let's look, look, I got all this stuff going on. I'm done everything I can to reduce my stress, but there are just some things right now that I have to deal with. And the extra testosterone is giving me the energy to handle these for this season, and then I'll tackle that later on. So this is really, you know, it's going to be like where you're at. But I would suggest working with the functional medicine practitioner alongside this sports medicine individual and kind of find some consensus between them.

Starting point is 01:25:35 How long has this been going on? Like, oh, as far as like, how long have you been taking the testosterone for? Eight weeks. Okay. Okay. By the way, the,

Starting point is 01:25:44 the clitoral enlargement that you're experiencing right now is not actual clitoral tissue at eight weeks. That takes much longer to happen. Blood. Yeah. What you're noticing is what with the equivalent of an erection. And so you have more blood flow there. So that's what's, it's going to feel like the actual tissue. And it feels like that because it's like it won't calm down until I'm taking care of it.

Starting point is 01:26:06 Right. So the actual tissue enlargement, that can take years and years, and you're at a dose where, I mean, you might get some enlargement, but that would happen years from now. It wouldn't happen now. You would have to take serious doses of testosterone to see actual yeah, tissue growth. Um, so I wouldn't necessarily, um, worry about that. But again, that would be again, another question for your doctor, but that's what's happening. You know, I had, I've had these conversations with the people that we work with. Everything you're highlighting though, as far as the, they're not bad side effects.

Starting point is 01:26:38 Yeah. It's, uh, I mean, obviously if it causes causes, yeah, issues at home with the husband and stuff like that, that's a, to Sal's point, can be not ideal. But the things that you're, this is, if someone goes on, I mean, I was just going to give him to stop for a while. So I asked who's going to ask. I don't know how old he is. And I don't know if he's had his bloodwork done. But I mean, I would at least, I would at least explore that. I think I would at least explore, cause imagine that, imagine if, we have no idea, I have no idea what his. Kids are like, mom, can you make me dinner?

Starting point is 01:27:10 Are you guys thinking, no, we're busy. We'll be back later. Um, but. You put on movies quite a few times, like you're co-op to show real quick. So I, you know, I don't, I don't know enough about him to know, like, cause maybe if, maybe if he was matching you more Maybe there would be no issue here Maybe you only feel like it's a major issue because you feel so extreme from where you came from and now

Starting point is 01:27:33 He's not able to keep up with that level. And so I mean I would at least explore the idea of having him do his blood work, too look the thing about testosterone Katie Is it's a relatively safe hormone, you know, it's, it's, it's one that I think gets a bad rap for sure. It gets put in this category where it's like whatever. But testosterone is not innocuous. So it does have behavioral effects. Okay, not just libido. It can also affect it's in the female brain in particular is very sensitive to testosterone. So it's not just libido.

Starting point is 01:28:10 It can actually start to move your empathy, your dopamine, your drive, aggression, motivation, your ability to read people's emotions in a more male direction. Now, because it's a dopamine, I mean, I would put in the dopamine category of hormones, unlike estrogen or progesterone, it may make you feel like really powerful, but there's a lot of value in the female brain. And so they've done studies on this. They'll give women testosterone and they actually lose empathy. They actually start to lose

Starting point is 01:28:45 their ability. So you know how guys are clueless? Like they'll walk into a room, you'll go somewhere with your husband and you'll be like, could you, did you see what she was looking? Could you see there? Did you read the room or did you see what what's what's her name said? And he'll be like, huh, I don't know. It's because we're literally clueless because our brains don't pick up on the same shit that yours does. So it's not an innocuous hormone. So pay attention to all those things. It's not like, oh, nothing's gonna happen. I'm just horny. It can definitely change personality and stuff just like birth control does. They find this now in studies with birth control as well. So I really think a functional medicine practitioner would benefit

Starting point is 01:29:18 you tremendously. In fact, Dr. Cabral's team is some of the best that you could work with. Maybe Doug can grab that link for me, Doug. Just go to the forum. Go to the free forum. MP holistic health on Facebook is a private forum. We have functional medicine practitioners in there. And then they'll work with you on some of this stuff from a natural perspective and they'll work with the fact that you're on hormones. Cause that's what I do.

Starting point is 01:29:42 I work with them as well. And then you'll find a nice consensus in terms of, you know, where you need to go, what you need to do. Yeah. So, okay. Well, that's good to know. It's not just because I did feel like my mood was overall improved, you know, once I started taking a testosterone, but again, I didn't know, well, maybe it's

Starting point is 01:30:02 cause I'm sleeping better. Maybe it's cause I'm losing weight. You know, who knows. It is all those factors and they, and the testosterone does help all those things. Testosterone will make you sleep better. We'll give you more energy. We'll have you recover and build more. So it's like this.

Starting point is 01:30:16 You still want to lose sight of being able to, you know, work your way towards doing it naturally. I think to his earlier point, like, you know, right now it's kind of helping you through the eye of the storm and you're now like Realizing I can feel better and so you know to be able to kind of work your way into like the lifestyle habits and adjusting things now That you feel good You know would be a lot better strategy totally So will I

Starting point is 01:30:39 Mean does my body recognize that wow I feel better. I'm functioning better, and it'll start creating more testosterone or... No, your body actually stopped. We'll create less. Yeah, it's taking place of it. When it comes to hormones, it's what's called a negative feedback loop. So if you take a hormone, your body senses that hormone and then reduces or eliminates its production. So if a man takes testosterone, sperm count go down, testosterone goes down, and most hormones, not all, but most of them work this way. So, but like I said, that's why I think a functional medicine practitioner will be perfect,

Starting point is 01:31:15 because what they'll probably do is work alongside with the doctor you're working with, and they'll come up with a scale down kind of approach and identify other things. I mean, wouldn't it be amazing Katie if the functional medicine practitioner was like, oh, here's what's going on. Let's fix this and then you'll be back to your old self and you'll feel normal. You won't have to take anything anymore. I mean, that would be amazing. Sex is so good though. I mean, if you're enjoying yourself, you know, party on. I don't know what to tell you.

Starting point is 01:31:46 Yeah. No, you notice I've been quiet over here. I'm not, I don't know if I all the way agree with Sal over here. Yeah. So, I don't know if that didn't happen to my wife. He's right though.

Starting point is 01:31:57 He really, he is right. Look, imagine the world where only men were in it. Okay. It would be crazy. Just like if it was just only women, we need that balance and it does change. You can look up the, look up the literature. It will change over time, the literal structure of your brain.

Starting point is 01:32:12 So it can take a female brain and make it more male. That's right. The most, and it feels good. Here's why it feels good. Cause men are clueless and we're driven and we're horny and we don't feel a lot of shit, which is great. But do you really not want to feel things? Like imagine, you know, honestly the most important part of this entire conversation is the relationship with you and your husband.

Starting point is 01:32:33 Yeah, exactly. Because everything else is positive that you're saying, right? Even though the, the clit thing feels weird and all the, the, all that stuff, that that's all positive stuff. Nothing's negative about it. The only thing that in this conversation that matters the most to me is that is it disrupting my relationship with my husband so much that it's causing tension, it's causing fights or resentment or that's most important. And absolutely, the hormones can affect a lot of those things. So either one, you have to become more aware of that and then learn to go, Oh, am I not being empathetic?

Starting point is 01:33:07 And normally I would be right here and you check yourself in that situation. Um, or go the route that Sal is saying, which is, you know, maybe we go address this naturally and see if we can do this before we decide to just take this hormone, but everything you're feeling is all positive stuff. But again, the, if you were my client and we were having this conversation, why we're working out and you're like, what should I do at them? The things I would be asking you is more about your relationship, your marriage. And if you were telling me, uh, that, that it's causing issues and we're,

Starting point is 01:33:36 and we're struggling because of this, I would be concerned and I would be really pushing south way. If you're just like, Oh, my husband razzes me, it gives me a hard time because I always want them or whatever like that. But, Oh, things have been great. We're happy. Everything. If everything's happy and you guys are doing great and it's not affecting your marriage, then I'd be like, uh, this is a lot of good stuff. So, um, that I mean, he's very happy with it. When I went down in the lower dose,

Starting point is 01:33:58 he was like, don't go lower. But yeah, it's changed. It's changed how we relate in the sense of like, I have a lot of more compassion for guys because you know, all of a sudden I'm sitting in bed like, okay, I know I'm wearing them out, but how can I maybe like, you know, rub his back to get him in the mood. Oh my God. So I had to the guys that, you know, now you're, now I'm on the, uh, the other side offense all the time. Get a tool belt, certainly. You know, well, go, go, go get, go get in the forum, go get in the forum that Sal suggested it's free.

Starting point is 01:34:35 Okay. And, and you can poke around, ask some good questions from them and then maybe do a consultation and at least get some opinion that direction. But, uh, all, all is good. Every now and then candles and chocolate too. Yeah, yeah. She's a romance. A back massage.

Starting point is 01:34:51 Thank you so much, Katie. All right, Katie. Yeah, thank you guys. Bye bye. Never thought I'd hear someone on the podcast talk about. Yeah, I'm all hot. I'm all hot. You know, look, and obviously if she's taking a dose,

Starting point is 01:35:04 that's going to bring her to the upper limit of what's normal, but everybody's a little bit different. And look, we all know this, like, you know, when we were 14, 15 years old, you guys remember what that was like? Yeah. Would you want to be like that again all the time? No, hell no.

Starting point is 01:35:16 No, I mean, we wouldn't be able to work. It's distracting and your mind goes, so. That's the most important thing right here. It really is. She's eight weeks in. Yeah. That's what it is. It starts to balance out.

Starting point is 01:35:24 That's why I asked that. I said, How long you've been doing this for too? Because you know, give her another month. That's why it's so much. I mean, when I went on TRT, I was like that for about three months and then it kind of balanced out. So all of your advice is right. And I think good. If she was my client, I would probably, and if she told me like, Oh, my husband and I are great. We're not fighting over this and that. I'd probably be like, let's see what another month looks like and And see if it kind of levels out, calms down and you're a little more balanced. Right now just stock up on Gatorade.

Starting point is 01:35:49 Yeah. Yeah. So. Our next caller is Crystal from Virginia. Crystal. How you doing? Hi guys. How you doing?

Starting point is 01:35:58 Good. How can we help you? Okay. First I'll do my thank yous very quickly and I have my notes down here. So I'll keep looking down. I'd like to thank you for making it appear that my husband has the best time doing yard work.

Starting point is 01:36:09 He tends to listen to y'all while he's out there. And it's very entertaining to look out the window and see him smiling and laughing while he's mowing the grass or poop scooping. That's awesome. All right. Also, thank you for your affiliation with Zbiotics. We go on a lot of cruises. And because of Zbiotics, we can definitely get through our drink packages

Starting point is 01:36:28 and still get up every morning and hit the gym. Oh, good stuff. Yeah. Winning. Now for my question. I was told to stick with my original email. So my question is, what the hell am I supposed to eat? Here's some context and some background.

Starting point is 01:36:43 In episode 2246, y'all were answering a listener's question and included the usual advice to hit your protein goal and how hard that can be for some people. Adam then said, it might be easy if you're 110 pounds. And Sal said something like, find me a 110 pound female who can eat 110 grams of protein per day consistently from whole natural foods. So here I am. I'm your girl. I'm actually about 113 pounds, but I have no problem over consuming protein. This is my second week of cutting back on protein and I'm at 130 to 140 grams per day. I'm trying to cut back to solve some digestive issues that started back in July.

Starting point is 01:37:25 I was dealing with bloating that would increase my waist size up to three inches and my stool consistency had changed. I couldn't pinpoint it to a single food trigger. By October, I was extremely frustrated and thought maybe it was SIBO caused by some bad sushi I had back in July. I'm pretty impatient, so I went ahead and started Cabral CBO protocol. I'm a couple of weeks from finishing the protocol, and there hasn't been huge improvements in my symptoms,

Starting point is 01:37:53 but it did get me to better analyze what I was eating. I've been tracking for years, so I went back through my data and noticed my fiber had creeped up to close to 100 grams. A couple of weeks ago, I decided to cut back on the amount of fruits and vegetables I was eating. This was a struggle because I really enjoy eating a large volume of food.

Starting point is 01:38:12 I filled that void with meat snacks. Instead of snacking on a three pound bag of fruit, I would cook extra ground beef, turkey, and chicken and snack on that throughout the week. All my meals were weighed out, but I wasn't correctly counting my meat snacks. During a recent food prep, I recalculated everything, and my calories were actually closer to 2,200 instead of 1,800, and my protein was around 200 grams instead of 150 grams.

Starting point is 01:38:40 I'm trying to get my protein down to see if that solves my digestive issues, but I need something to fill the void So as a hundred and thirteen pound female that does not get satiated from protein or fiber and is trying to solve Digestive issues. What the hell am I supposed to eat? Okay? I got some good news and bad news for you First of all, I could tell you've got you're really fit. You got great delts. So everybody watching right now when you get high protein, that's what happens. So you're doing pretty good. You're doing pretty good. Okay.

Starting point is 01:39:10 I got some good news and bad for you. The news for you. The good news is, I think I know what the problem is. The bad news is, I don't know if you like the answer. So you have not done any gut testing, right? You just jumped on the CBO protocol. I just went straight to the protocol. Yeah, we got to test this out.

Starting point is 01:39:24 You probably have a protocol. Exactly where I was going. I just went straight to the protocol. Yeah, we got to test this out. You probably have a parasite. All of your symptoms point to, and by the way, don't freak out. It's way more common than people think. But some of the symptoms of parasite infection include insatiability. Like, I just keep eating and I'm just hungry. I can't figure out what's going on. And then digestive issues are there as well.

Starting point is 01:39:48 So Dr. Cabral can do a very easy parasite test with you. Once you test, if it comes back positive, the treatment is easy, it's very simple, and then you got no more parasites, and you'll go right back to normal. Cause I'm assuming your diet didn't change, it's just all of a sudden your digestion went off. Is that, is that the case?

Starting point is 01:40:09 The diet didn't change of like what I was eating, the amounts kind of creeped up and got out of control, but like nothing changed or was introduced. It was just like suddenly like, oh my God. Did you have digestive issues before? No, I mean, I would, if I were to overeat or like eat off, you know, eat like an asshole as Adam would say, then yes, I would get bloated. But if I didn't eat like an asshole, then things would be fine.

Starting point is 01:40:33 Crystal, do you eat a lot of raw sushi, raw fish? No. Okay. Did you, could you send your thing here you thought it might have been some bad sushi? Yeah, I actually just started eating sushi and discovered it like, I don't know, like a year or two ago and I had been missing now. But yeah, it was kind of an in line with the sushi incident. Yeah, the most common in the modern world, so people that live in modern developed societies, the most common cause of parasitic infections is sushi sushi because it is uncooked, it is raw.

Starting point is 01:41:08 So if people, you know, people watching, if you eat a lot of sushi, your, the odds of you having a parasite are actually relatively high. It's actually not that low. Now, again, the good news is the parasitic parasite cleanse or treatment, if, once they identify what it is, it's not that big of a deal, but there is a protocol though, cause here's what happens. Cause people will go, they'll go online, buy some parasite, you know, cleanse thing or whatever. And then they feel better, but then the symptoms come back because there are things that kill the parasites

Starting point is 01:41:37 and then there are things that kill the eggs that the parasites, uh, you know, produce and they're different. So you'll kill the parasites, feel better months later. Uh-oh. Now everything's back. What the hell's going on? So I would 100% do a gut, a gut test, which includes a stool test. And they will be able to identify, uh, relatively easily. If you have parasites, and if you do, you just treat them and you're good.

Starting point is 01:42:01 But all of your symptoms that you're saying, and I'm guessing, okay. Point to that. But like it's like red light, like're saying, and I'm guessing, okay. Point to that. But like it's like red light, like, oh, can't eat enough, can't eat enough protein, sudden bowel changes and big time bloating. And then I saw your comment about the sushi and I was like, oh, there's a parasite. So go get tested. That's the best advice I can give you. Because I don't think there's anything wrong with your protein intake. I don't think there's anything wrong with your fiber.

Starting point is 01:42:23 I mean, you felt good before. You may have started eating a little bit more, but the sudden like crazy symptoms that you're, I mean, a three inch increase in your waist from bloating is not a result of I ate 200 more calories on this meal. No. Well, yeah, okay. So if it's not parasite, then it would be more, I mean, is there an intolerance that might be underlining as well? So here's what happens with parasites. The parasites can affect digestion, which then can cause SIBO, which can also cause gut inflammation, which can cause intolerances.

Starting point is 01:42:55 So if you got tested, it's unlikely that you had a parasite and you didn't have SIBO, or it's unlikely that you had a parasite and you didn't have food intolerances. The parasite can cause all of those different things. So, or you could have a fungal infection as a result of parasite called SIFO, which is like SIBO, but it's not bacteria. It's fungal, but seriously, I'm telling you, it's not a big deal. Crystal, if you go to Dr. Cabral's team, ask them for a gut test. They'll solve this. They'll give, yeah, you'll take the test. You'll get the results in less than a month. You'll look at it and it'll tell you, this is what's going on. And

Starting point is 01:43:28 then you'll treat it. No problem. Okay. We'll already be being on the CBO protocol, interfere with the test. I would ask them about that. Probably would interfere with if you have SIBO, but not the parasite because it wouldn't touch the parasite. Okay. So in general, like back to normal, like, can I just go after all this, go back to eating? Like it's not bad for 200 grams of protein at my weight? Probably. What they'll probably have you do is they'll probably scale that. Yeah, they'll scale you in because once the parasite, let's say that's the case, okay, or SIBO even or whatever, once you solve the issue, there's some, it's like there was a, there was a,

Starting point is 01:44:10 an injury, okay? So there's some inflammation. And then what you have to do is slowly work your way into allowing that injury to heal, that inflammation to heal, and then jump back into your normal diet. That's typically what it looks like. But you know, each case is a little bit different. But I don't think it'd be anything radical. Like, okay, we got the parasite, now you can only eat almonds and, you know, I don't think it'll be like that. I think it'll be more like, okay, let's avoid gluten

Starting point is 01:44:36 and let's avoid dairy for a little bit, you know, while we get your gut to heal. Okay. Okay. Now, I wanna hear back from you. I'm really, really interested to see if this is exactly the case. So yeah, let us know. Let us know. Maybe we'll have you come back on and do a little bit and do a recap on what the deal was. Okay, we can do that. All right. Cool. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I feel

Starting point is 01:45:02 like she didn't like that answer. I don't know. I would like it. Yeah. You know what? Hearing the word parasite freaks people out. Yeah. But it's a natural thing. Probably 10 to 20% of people in developed countries have a parasite.

Starting point is 01:45:19 People in undeveloped countries, it's like a majority. Oh yeah. But like a good chunk. And if you eat sushi on a regular basis, Especially fish, yeah. You eat sushi on a regular basis, your odds skyrocket with when it comes parasites. So.

Starting point is 01:45:31 Our next caller is Ravan from Kuwait. Ravan, how's it going? Oh, hello. How can we help you? Hi guys. How you doing? So good to see you. I'm from Kuwait, but I'm based in Kuwait, but I'm Syrian.

Starting point is 01:45:44 So I have to make this connection. No problem. I got to say that you changed my life is an understatement. I swear to God, I pray for you as a thank you for everything that you do. You are the real educators, the real influencers. So I thank you forever and always because I spread your knowledge to people around me. So I think you have good karma for the next lives. Oh, thank you so much. That was really nice. That's why things are going so well. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:46:17 I had all green lights on the way home. I'll get to my question. I'll try to make it short because I sent an essay, I think. So in 2020, I started intermittent fasting. I started with that 12-hour window to 14, then progress to 18 and went crazy. The first six months were phenomenal. I saw results like never before. I saw muscle definition. I was very sharp.

Starting point is 01:46:46 I was, I think I had the best shape and the best brain during that phase. I thought that I found the secret to life. And I was an ambassador for intermittent fasting because it gave me a whole new perspective on health and whatever. But on the one year mark, things started to derail drastically.

Starting point is 01:47:10 I started to gain body fat. I started to get slow. I was depressed, honestly, and I tried to do some blood tests. I did some TSH, prolactin, vitamin D. Everything was fine. But honestly, at that phase, I started to do the 18 hour window, then 20 hour window. And I think I developed the binge restrict system that we tend to do, which was very toxic.

Starting point is 01:47:41 And I was craving stuff. I ate, I overcompensated during my eating window. So it went crazy, but still I didn't break from the intermittent fasting lifestyle because I like to be disciplined. When I start something, I want to go to the end. So now four years in, I'm trying to loosen up. I try to do what I like to call intuitive fasting.

Starting point is 01:48:11 So my intention is to fast for 12 hours, but if I find myself starving, I would break the fasting window and I would eat. Just trying to trick my body into it again because it's not working as it did in the first place. What I'm scared of is if I damaged my metabolism and I know that you guys say that it's not the best option for women because of the hormone imbalances and that's what I'm scared of because it's been four years now and I'm fluctuating. So I'm not sure if I can find a way to reverse to go back to like a normal metabolism. And I don't know, what do you guys think?

Starting point is 01:49:00 Yeah, this is very typical experience that people have. Fasting has tremendous spiritual benefits, right? The detachment from earthly things, but what's happened is we've turned it into a diet. So here's what happens to your body. This is why you felt so good when you did it initially. You felt good because digestion can, in some cases, increase a little bit of inflammation,

Starting point is 01:49:24 especially if there's some gut health issues. You probably were entering into a state of ketosis and ketones, which is what your body produces when it doesn't have carbohydrates, can make the brain and the body feel sharper. And here's the real reason. It raises cortisol and it raises catecholamines like norepinephrine and epinephrine.

Starting point is 01:49:44 And cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, they give you energy. They make you feel good. But what happens over time is those stress chemicals and hormones overwhelm your body and you start to succumb to the stress of not eating. Now, the way you back out is actually not that hard at all. You simply add some meals and what you would want to do if you want to do this slowly is I would have a protein fat meal first thing in the morning and avoid carbohydrates. Okay, avoid carbohydrates. So I would have like, I don't know what your favorite sources of protein are, but I would have like eggs, cheese, avocado or vegetables.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Go ahead. You were gonna say something. Eggs, cheese, avocado or vegetables. Go ahead. You were going to say something. I, my weakness is carbs. So I love carbs. I can't be away from carbs. I think if I tried, I go crazy when I go back to carbs. But honestly, I tried to follow this protein based diet, but there's

Starting point is 01:50:41 something very strange is that whenever I eat protein, I think this is weird, but I Feel like I am hungrier. Is that normal? I think protein should fill me up, but I don't know what's happening I'm trying to eat whole foods, but That's nothing there's wrong. No, no, nothing's wrong. Just eat more. Look. This is what I would do I would start I would I would start the day off with a very high protein with some fat and some fiber breakfast. Then I would do that again, maybe a three or four hours later for lunch. Then when you have dinner, have your carbohydrates, carbohydrates at night.

Starting point is 01:51:18 I know there's this big belief that, oh, don't eat carbs at night. Carbs at night are great because they actually induce, they help induce better sleep. In fact, if you're going to eat something an hour or two before bed, a carbohydrate meal at night would be a great way to do it. So you're basically going to have a protein fat fiber, protein fat fiber, and then dinner you can have your carbohydrate with protein meal. And this will slowly get your body to feel a little bit,

Starting point is 01:51:41 it'll balance insulin, blood sugar. You're not going to get the cortisol spikes like you're probably suffering from right now or the irregular cortisol. And that'll be the way you ease your way in. It's going to take a little bit of time because you've also developed a bit of a relationship with the restricting and then feeding yourself. And that's more of a psychological effect. And it'll take you maybe two or three weeks of doing this consistently. But that's basically, I'm like you, if I need to be sharp, I do better without any food.

Starting point is 01:52:11 But if I do that for too long, it starts to wear my body down as well. And so what I tend to do, especially like, for example, today I'm gonna be doing a live presentation, there's gonna be about thousands of people watching. So what I've done for the past three days is eat mainly proteins and fats and avoided carbohydrates. And then today after my last presentation,

Starting point is 01:52:30 I'm gonna have a meal that contains carbohydrates. So I can work with it and manipulate it. That's what I would, that's what I would, if you were my client, that's what I have you do. I have you go high protein, fat, some fiber, then another high protein, fat and fiber. And then in the evening is when you can include your carbohydrates. Any idea on how many calories a day you eat?

Starting point is 01:52:52 Honestly, I don't track. It's a way of detaching from being so obsessive over food and what I eat. But I would say, I would say 2000, maybe more, maybe I think I stopped. I used to track and it was getting into my head too much. I get obsessive. I think it's a girls thing. We can't be healthy with food. It's always it has a tendency to go toxic.

Starting point is 01:53:21 And like you said, it's psychological. Yeah. Yeah. I so, so do this, get, uh, about six to eight ounces of meat of some kind of meat or protein containing food for breakfast. And then again, for lunch, don't go lean, make, make, have some fat in it. If you need to add some olive oil or avocado or have like a rib eye or something like that, but about six to eight ounces in both meals will give you a nice, nice dose of protein.

Starting point is 01:53:48 I remember one time you said something that stick with me till today, you said that, uh, it's a fasting is a good tool to differentiate between, uh, um, hunger and cravings. Yeah. And this is so because during my intermittent fasting, I noticed that most of my food is based on cravings just because I can eat it. So and I started doing what you once recommended, which is the water fast for one day. So sometimes I do that and it feels so good the next day when I start to eat because you feel like you were reborn again because of the detox of everything.

Starting point is 01:54:32 So I'm trying to tap into other things just to have this healthy relationship again. But I think I damaged myself with that too much disciplined system that I went and because it was too far. You just took it too far for too long. Yeah. By the way, your metabolism is fine. You didn't do any terrible damage. It'll recover.

Starting point is 01:54:53 Yeah. You're totally fine. Uh, I think if you do what I said and you kind of go in that direction, then after maybe a few weeks, uh, it's going to be the psychological aspects of me, most challenging. But if you do what I say over the next few weeks, like, uh, and when I say a good protein meal, I don't mean like, you know, two eggs, like, like a 40 to 50 grams of protein with your breakfast. And then again, for lunch, another 40 to 50 grams of protein, make sure there's some

Starting point is 01:55:17 fat in there, make sure there's some fiber. I like really well cooked vegetables, right? So really, really well cooked vegetables with olive oil, nice serving of meat or eggs. And that would be your meal. And then you do it again. And then what you'll find is you're not going to get that energy dip like you did, like you would if you weighed a big carbohydrate meal. You'll still feel that like energy, but you're not going to be, um,

Starting point is 01:55:38 overstressing your body like you have been with the fasting. And then dinner, have your dinner, have your dinner with your carbohydrates. And then go to bed two, three hours later. This is interesting. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. This would be interesting for me because I never did

Starting point is 01:55:52 carbs at night. I did the opposite. I started with my carbs and then ended with protein and fat. So I'll definitely try this one. Yes. Give it a shot. Let us know what you think. I should.

Starting point is 01:56:03 Thank you. Thank you so much for calling in. Thank you guys. Thank you always. You got it. Thanks for calling in. So good to see you. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:56:11 It says she's a radio sports producer in Kuwait. Is that what? Isn't that awesome? It's only 411. Did you see the Jordan thing in the background while she was talking the light? Yeah, a little sign. Oh, no, I didn't.

Starting point is 01:56:24 Yeah, dude. That's so cool. I probably would have said so. Yeah, you know, um, I don't know if I like her fasting at all. No. Uh, you know, I think that my goal if she was a client of mine would be to slowly get her out of this. I mean, obviously it's taken fasting to another. And it's tough too, because I get what I get where she's coming from as far as, you know, if had

Starting point is 01:56:51 clients that if they start weighing and tracking, they obsess over it and it makes it worse. But it also makes it really challenging when you're trying to reverse someone out of this type of behavior, because it's like, as a coach, I want to be able to explain what's going on. And if I know the numbers, I know what we're doing, I can say like, well, that's because we increased this many carbohydrates or this many calories. And so hanging there. Well, she's in a state of unawareness. I mean, she says so herself. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what we should have done, and I didn't think of it is to put her in the

Starting point is 01:57:21 forum. So she goes through this. Doug, email her, let her know. Just because as she goes through this, obviously she'll get a chance to listen to this. As you go through this, the psychological part will be one of the most challenging. And if you might see things that you freak out and want to go back the other direction that are totally normal and healthy and fine. And so that would be my biggest concern

Starting point is 01:57:41 as I ease her back into introducing these meals throughout the day is her going, oh my god, this is too much. Oh yeah. I haven't heard consistently start with that breakfast is going to be a challenge. Like I know for me too, like after cutting it out, yeah, for a long period of time, it was convenient and also too, just like I felt better not eating and then it didn't work for me anymore. And then it's just like, okay, well we have to shift and so it was like I felt better not eating. And then, and then it didn't work for me anymore. You know, and then it's just like, okay, well, we have to shift. And so it was like, you know, a deliberate chore for me to be

Starting point is 01:58:10 like, okay, I have to like, I have to put, and it didn't feel good at first. And then, you know, once everything started to kind of turn and, and change, it was way better. Yeah. The whole like eat carbs early and then don't eat them at night. I feel better the reverse.

Starting point is 01:58:25 If I have a high carb breakfast and lunch, I'm like, blah, all day long. So I save it. And then when I eat it at night, I feel perfectly fine. I know a lot of people like that. So yeah, look, if you love the show, head over to mind pump free.com, check out our free fitness guides. Also you can find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at mine pump. Justin. I'm at mine pump to Stefan and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance,

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