Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2264: How to Eat More & Lose Fat, When to Raise Calories When Reverse Dieting, Ways to Transition Away from Working with a Fitness or Diet Coach & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Might pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is mind pump. Right. In today's episode, we answered live callers questions, but this was after an intro portion that was 61 minutes long today. That's what we talk about. fitness, current events, our lives,

Starting point is 00:00:27 family stuff, studies and much more. You can check the show notes for timestamps. If you just want to skip around to your favorite parts. Also, if you want to be on an episode like this one, where we can help you out live on air, email us at live at mine. Put media.com. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Paleo Valley.

Starting point is 00:00:45 They make paleo inspired supplements and products. One of our favorites is their bone broth protein. It's the easiest protein I've ever taken to digest. It's super easy to digest. No issues whatsoever. And the chocolate flavor tastes like chocolate donuts. It's amazing. Anyway, go check them out.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Go to paleovali.com forward slash mine pump. And you'll get 15% off your first order. This episode is also brought to you by juve. They make red light therapy panels that use the same wavelength and intensities as the one found in studies. So what does red light do? Well, red light helps improve the quality of your skin. It rejuvenates and helps you heal faster, reduces inflammation, can

Starting point is 00:01:24 raise testosterone and regrow hair on your head. I'm not making this up, it's all backed by studies. Go check them out, go to juve.com, that's J-O-O-V-V.com forward slash mind pump, use the code mind pump, get $50 off your first purchase. Also, we got a sale this month on some workout programs. Check this out. Maps performance, half off.

Starting point is 00:01:44 Train like an athlete, look like half off, train like an athlete, look like an athlete, perform like an athlete. It's a workout program for those of you that don't just wanna look good, you wanna move good as well. Then we have what's called the Extreme Fitness Bundle. This is a bundle of workout programs, which includes maps hit, maps performance,

Starting point is 00:01:59 maps prime, and our intuitive nutrition guide. That one is also 50% off. You can find all of these at mapsfitnessproducts.com but use the code FEB50, FEB50 for that discount. All right, here comes the show. All right, look, unless you've been hiding under a rock, you probably know that a high protein diet will benefit you regardless of your goal.

Starting point is 00:02:22 But what if you're one of those few people that just doesn't feel good eating a lot of protein? Some people get digestive distress. Some people get constipated. Some people just can't eat that much protein. What do you do then? Well, in those cases, amino acid supplements can actually be

Starting point is 00:02:36 beneficial. Uh, essential amino acid supplements and branching amino acid supplements in particular can help with things like recovery, performance, muscle gain and fat loss. If you just can't hit your protein targets. So at the end it's all about the context. If you can't eat enough protein, amino acid supplements may help. Oh my, okay.

Starting point is 00:02:56 This is interesting. You went this direction. I just brought this up. Uh, Jason, uh, our good buddy went to dinner at Mastro's last couple weeks ago. We can air, we can have for two. Jason, our good buddy went to dinner at Mastro's last couple of weeks ago, a week and a half or two ago. And his wife was bringing up amino acids and there was some brand that was like, you know, I was trying to explain to them to me. Oh, he did. Okay. So that's so funny. So they went to me first and they're like,

Starting point is 00:03:19 Adam shit all over it. So I'm going to go to Sal and see if Sal does the same thing. I'm going to decide. Nice guy. So the, okay, so I'm going to be, I'm sure you said the exact same thing as I did. And and it sounds like it from your tip today, which was like, if you, I mean, obviously the goal, number one is to get everything through Whole Foods because you're getting all those benefits and more. So right, but granted, I, we say on the show all the time, hardly anybody gets their protein intake. It's really difficult to do that. But then I said, then the next step after that

Starting point is 00:03:45 is just using a protein powder, because a protein powder, it would still be the next best thing to do. And then, and only then, if like, you have issues with digesting, you know, whey protein or you just don't like taking the protein powder. And so taking a handful of, you know, branched-hand amino acid pills at the end of the night

Starting point is 00:04:04 because you were so low on protein, could have some benefits to it in comparison to not, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, I was having a conversation. So that, and then I had a conversation with a family member who's training for a Jiu-Jitsu tournament. And he's telling me he's having issues recovering and I'm like, you got to get more proteins. Like I tried so hard. I can't hit those targets. My appetite won't let me. He's like, and I can try taking shakes, but I don't even feel like taking a shake sometimes. He goes, what about just a, like a couple of branching into acid tablets?

Starting point is 00:04:33 I said, well, in your case, you'll see some benefit. And it reminded me, I've had a few clients like this where they didn't want, that they don't want to take a shake, although just for the audience, one scoop of protein powder will give you more than enough branching when acids and essential amino acids, okay? So rather than taking a scoop of something that's called essential amino acid supplement or whatever, a scoop of protein powder will do that and then some.

Starting point is 00:04:59 So that's even better. But like I said, I've had clients where they can't eat it with food, They don't want to take a shake. They want tablets or something easy. And then they can help. And if you look at the studies, cause this always cycles, right? Or the supplement market tends to do these cycles every 10 years or so. And you'll see people selling branch human, or acid supplements again.

Starting point is 00:05:18 Is that their main studies? Yeah. Is that their main focus is that, uh, to market to people is that it's for recovery. Yes. It's the best benefit of like taking the main acid. Well, if you look at this, if you look at the studies on branched chain amino acids, that's leucine, isoleucine, valine, or the essential amino acids, these are the ones that your body, you have to consume them, right?

Starting point is 00:05:37 They're essential. You have to consume. You can't make them. When you look at the studies on them, those studies that show that they're beneficial, all the participants are not eating the high protein diets that are recommended by the strength community, which is about roughly or close to a gram of protein per pound of target body weight. If you miss that and you're eating what the RDA says and you don't want to eat more protein, then yeah, you supplement with BCAAs, you'll notice a benefit. It just goes to prove like, uh, they know that a lot of people are, are low and

Starting point is 00:06:08 deficient on some levels of protein. Yeah. Well, this is also why too. Why, I mean, cause obviously something that gets that much traction and there's that big of a market now. People will notice benefits. Right. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:06:18 And, and, and that's what how I explained to her at dinner. I'm like, listen, if, if I need you to be eating for optimal, right? I need you at 130 grams of protein and you're hitting 40 grams every day. And I give you some amino acid pills. Like, uh, yeah, you're going to, you're going to build some muscles. You're going to recover better. You're going to feel a difference. It's going to make an impact, but it's not the pills.

Starting point is 00:06:38 It's that you were, you're so under on the protein that of course, you would have seen that felt the same thing too. If all of a sudden you added a six ounce chicken breast on top of what you're eating every single day also, you would have felt the exact same benefits as what you got from that. So it's not like there was something magical about the the powder or the pills. Yeah. So I was, go ahead. No, I just wanted to ask you more about the, because I actually didn't see it. She was just telling me the name of it was like super amino something. And she was saying like the guy who, the doctor guy who sells it or whatever,

Starting point is 00:07:07 was talking about how it's at the special amino acid. I was like, that's how they market to you. And this is, by the way, that, that's no different than the creatine market. I mean, the, every market, they, because everybody knows, uh, amino acids are, you know, or not, I shouldn't say that, but most people in the fitness space know that Amino acids, protein powders, important creatines, important, all these things are and it's gotten so oversaturated that the margins Driven the margins down made it very competitive and better for the consumer. So now you have to, yeah, so now you define Now you have to find, and this is pre-workout same thing too, right? Because caffeine is the main driver that makes pre- really, really good, but caffeine is cheap. So we got to find other things to put in it. And then they sell the other things as being so magical and so amazing.

Starting point is 00:07:51 When it's like, no, the, the main ingredient is the most valuable thing. Problem is everybody now sells that has that. So you're going to find creative ways. Isn't that funny? Cause it's like then, you know, their direction is going to be like some exotic place in the world or some, you know, religious communities always done this and they've lived for like 120 years. You know, like something like there has to be like a tragic story of like, I, you know, it was in a car accident and my whole body burned to smithereens.

Starting point is 00:08:17 And then I took these amino acids all of a sudden it grew on my skin back. Or I traveled to some weird part of the kind of the world, you know, some corn. Like I saw you berries was like this. Yeah, yeah, I was like. Icai berries were popular, or became popular here in the States because it was like this Amazonian. Monovey. Super food, right?

Starting point is 00:08:33 Monovey did it. Full of antioxidants. It's a blueberries got more antioxidants than Icai berries, or very close. Yeah, it's just, it's hard to say. So it means something. It's just, most people are not familiar with it and it tastes good.

Starting point is 00:08:44 And so it's like, oh my God, this, this is new thing. No, look, proteins are chains of amino acids. That's all it is. So amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. So if you take a scoop of protein powder or you eat 10 grams of protein, a complete protein, meaning it has all essential amino acids, you are going to have way more branching amino acids or essential amino acids or beneficial amino acids than three tablets, essentially three tablets of essential amino

Starting point is 00:09:10 acids. In fact, the cheap amino acid supplements were just compressed protein powder into tablet form. That's the best. Yeah. And they would, they would be called like a amino 5000. I remember I used to take these back in the day. I used to take, I remember I bought a long time ago because, you know, I was a kid. I felt for more for less. I used to take, I remember I bought a long time ago, cause you know, I was a kid. I felt for every minute. More for less. Bro, I bought, I don't remember what it was like,

Starting point is 00:09:28 a Mino 5000 or something like that. And there were these massive. Big old pills. Huge. Yeah, yeah. I took those too. I'm not even exaggerating when I say like, choking hazard style tablets.

Starting point is 00:09:39 They were like, think of the biggest tablet you could think of, like a multivitamin tablet. Now make it like twice as wide That's what they look like and the recommendations on the bottle and it wasn't even a bottle like eight of them Yeah, it was like a Yeah, bro, I look like a mini jug was like this yeah, and you had to take eight in between every meal That's what they recommend and I did it yeah, I need to take each individual one It was so easier to dry scoop way, bro. I never, a I'll never forget. I figured this out. You know,

Starting point is 00:10:07 through me, I'm going to pat myself on the back for freeing this out as a kid. I was 16 years old. I'm doing this every day. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is terrible. You know, is it working? I don't know. And I remember I turned the bottom. I looked at the ingredients, whey protein. It was whey protein that they compressed and put added a binder to make into fricking tablets. That's what I was taking. Way protein.

Starting point is 00:10:28 That was amazing. I was so mad. But anyway, my, the, the person I was talking about with, uh, you know, that was just mentioning who's, who's getting ready for a tournament. I talked him into trying, um, the paleo valley bone broth protein because he doesn't like other protein powders and make him feel bloated, gassy, doesn't like it. So I said, try the bone broth protein. It's the easiest, like I have yet to find anybody

Starting point is 00:10:50 who hasn't tried it, who hasn't said it's the easiest to digest. I know I'm late to the party on that, but I've been like ever since you got me to do that, that's actually what I've been taking that in more than anything else now. It's so easy. Yeah. I mean, it's I could take 70 grams. That's why that's why I find it's really nice is that, um, you know, rarely ever am I missing exactly, uh, just 32 grams of protein. It's like I'm missing more or whatever. And so being able to scoop more.

Starting point is 00:11:16 And in the, in the past, if I were to do that with like a way, just 70 grams of whey protein just doesn't sit, doesn't sit right with me where I can take that. And it's no problem. So, but I do have to say the, the, the chocolate donut flavor is the best one. Yeah. I tried the other player was like, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't like as, as impressed. It's just chocolate though, right? It just tastes like dough.

Starting point is 00:11:35 Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, it's funny. They were gonna start branding it chocolate donuts. Start branding it chocolate dough. You know what it is, is that it's a, so bone broth or collagen protein is um, flavorless essentially. If you ever have pure collagen, you add it to water that it's a so bone broth or collagen protein is Flavorless essentially if you ever have pure collagen be added to water doesn't taste like no they have it. I've tried it Yeah, yeah, they have they have almost nothing. Yeah, so it's easy to flavor

Starting point is 00:11:53 So you can very easily make it tastes really good Whereas like plant proteins are really hard to make taste good really really hard. Yeah, I'm egg protein Did you guys ever take a protein powders? I did. Oh, I did. For the longest time, I did the pump. Oh, you just, that's just whites. Yeah. I did that for a long time. The sulfuric smell.

Starting point is 00:12:16 I actually really liked the egg white pump thing for a, did you make your shakes with that? Yes. So you do that and then add protein powder. Yeah. It frosts that up. Yeah. You didn't know that. Like, cause Oh yeah. The egg white makes it all frothy. And so it makes, it actually made the shakes

Starting point is 00:12:30 better. So I used to make the shake and then I do a kind of remember with the pump, like how many ratio or how many pumps I remember that. It was like a jug with a big giant one in a bill. Really smart. What they did is they put, it was just a bunch of, I'm going to give someone a supplement idea right now. What it was it was, was it was egg whites pasteurized. So, and you could just add it to whatever you want and bodybuilders and everybody wants egg whites, right? Cause it's just pure protein.

Starting point is 00:12:53 There's a market for egg yolks. If someone just had an egg yolk pump or something like that, I know, that's way more muscle. So why wouldn't you just do the whole egg though? I mean, that's what, I mean, if that case, trying to do novelty, bro. This is mean that's what I mean if that case Novelty bro This is the supplement market. I mean you're right average person I have eggs in the fridge It's more like a counter knowledge. So then there's this weird like that's that right? Yeah, you've been missing the most muscle building

Starting point is 00:13:21 Hey this weekend was your birthday weekend I haven't been eating the best part. Hey, hey, this weekend was your birthday weekend. Would you go do, I saw you drove the car. I saw you drove the car. I got to, yeah, so I got this car, like it was back in November, I think, but I haven't even been able to like physically see it. I immediately shipped it to my friend who was it the first time you saw it, actually, in person. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:13:39 I thought you've actually had already been down there. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So I shipped it is my friend, like he's the work. And he was on that show overhauling with Chip Foose. And so I high school buddy of mine like we played football together and stuff. And so actually we were in in auto shop together. And it's interesting because like a lot of the guys that were in that class ended up doing a lot of they're big in like the car world and everything. And I don't know anything now. Yeah. And so I'm just like, Oh, please help me, dude. Let's build a sick car. So yeah, so I finally got to like go down there

Starting point is 00:14:10 and had to register it with the DMV and all that. And still- Did you take it home or is it still working on it? Still working on it, yeah. So he actually just made it drivable just enough so I could like go to the DMV. And I kind of was like pressing on it a bit because I wanted to, you know to get a good feel for it

Starting point is 00:14:25 and like suit the car. It was actually good because that way I see the, I'm gonna see the difference of like how it drove, and it's sort of- Are we gonna tell the audience what kind of car this is? 1969 GTO, sorry. Yeah, that's one of my favorites. The judge.

Starting point is 00:14:38 One of my favorites. So what are you doing to it? So like, a lot. Yeah, yeah, let's swap and get, you know, increase my horsepower like 520 horsepower, and then I'm going to get to new exhaust and suspension and also new like sound system and, you know, lots of other like accessory kind of stuff, but like it nothing major like rims tires, all that kind of stuff. Are you gonna make it look classic like original or are you gonna do like the cross kind of where it looks? Sort of like rest of mod kind of style. So you get like it looks classic enough, but it's it's definitely like modified. Yeah

Starting point is 00:15:16 Yeah, so I've like upgraded looking rims. I've upgraded like little additions to the paint job and you know, all that kind of stuff. So it's not going to be like stock. Yeah. Is that so is that what yours would be considered? Resto mod. Yeah, they're both.

Starting point is 00:15:30 Yeah, that's what I, okay. Yeah, you have this. Like it's, it doesn't look too. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. The classic look as far as the body and the interior and stuff, but then you've got a lot of things that you've switched out like the Rams that like

Starting point is 00:15:40 once you put an LS engine in it's now it's not a, yeah, right? So you're now, I prefer that. I know for collectors, and if I was buying the car for like a long-term investment, you always want the original, you know. It holds more value if you do the original thing. I mean, I'm driving it, you know what I'm saying? So, and I want what I want, and I want it to feel safe.

Starting point is 00:16:00 So I'm the one that doesn't have a, you gotta get what I'm thinking, what, we're like at Barracuda or like a hemi I love some sort some challengers and chargers. Yeah plum purple Yeah, oh, yeah, I wish we could get you to do it I would love to I love first it because that's just be a waste on me I go don't you know, I'm not a big car I mean I would like it for a bit and then you know, yeah

Starting point is 00:16:19 I see I don't know about that if you think I mean I don't know it really depends on like if you could even see yourself on like a Saturday or Sunday where we'd meet up and we would go, yeah, cruise. Like, and so if you see yourself, you could get away for a few hours on Saturday or Sunday on, you know, nice days. I could totally see us all waking up and driving. Yeah. I mean, I was really motivated because my dad and I used to, uh, we, we connected

Starting point is 00:16:40 a lot with cars and drag racing and like, um, you know, a lot of like hot rod shows. And so that kind of, like I had my truck and then I had to sell it once I, you know, was making down payment for my new house. And so ever since then, there's just been this void there. And like, you know, the kids are at an age now where they're interested in cars and they're interested in like cool stuff like that. And I'm like, well, now's the time if I'm ever going to do it to kind of, you know, bring that back. So we plan a hot, I guess, nights as in Reno. And so we're going to do that this year with my dad and yours will be done by then.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hopefully like into March, like I'm pressing, pressing Ben to get it done. It's the difference like, you know, a muscle car, the difference of five and horsepower on that versus like a modern five on horsepower car feels way different.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Oh, it feels unbridled and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dangerous. Dangerous. Oh no. Yeah. 300 horsepower.

Starting point is 00:17:39 I'll tell you what though, you get a lot of attention from dudes. Yeah. Thanks, bro. Yeah. Hey, it's like getting buffed in the gym. I'll tell you what though, you get a lot of attention from dudes. Thanks, bro. Hey, it's like getting buffed in the gym. Yeah. It's like getting buffed in the gym. All the things that we do thinking to get more women attention. No, all guys, all guys our age, they're just like, yeah, dude, like knuckleing up.

Starting point is 00:17:58 Yeah, you're cool. I had a guy stop me at the parking lot the other day. You're fit, bro. Like, okay. It's really cool though. They stopped me at the parking lot the other day. You're fit, bro. Like, okay. Yeah. Can I touch it? Yeah. Oh, no. No, it's kind of cool though. Anyway, speaking of muscles and stuff,

Starting point is 00:18:10 did you guys, I said you guys, that picture of my one was 14 month old, standing up on her toes. She had little, oh God. My wife's genetics are strong, bro. Muscle bellies. She's got this huge little calves, dude. I was a little baby.

Starting point is 00:18:22 I'm so excited. They definitely have mama's genetics for sure, bro. I'm so excited. They definitely have mama's genetics for sure. Yeah, I'm so excited. You guys have no idea. Uh, I get so many DMS of like, uh, people with like sending me pictures of kids that have like ridiculous calves and I just don't send them to you guys. They're like, don't show cell down this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:37 I got two kids now with them. All right. I was like, I was like, why, like why are you roasting them? You ever see, but sometimes you see kids and you know, you look at them. Oh, no, you can't. Oh, they're going to be. No, of course. I mean, you could tell on, you can tell on your kids already.

Starting point is 00:18:52 I mean, I can tell even on my son that he'll have better than I did just because he could tell by his symmetry and he's a little bit thicker than I already was. He's by no means, he's not thick like your kids are, but he's like thicker than I was. So he's not going to be the skinny, lanky kid. Did I tell you that my three year old, Jessica was reading to him a kid's version of the Bible.

Starting point is 00:19:14 And they were talking about like a Genesis, right? Cool. And he refers to Adam and Eve as Adam and Katrina. That's so epic. She goes, who are the first people in the Bible? Adam and Katrina. Yes, yes. That the first people? First people, yeah. In the Bible, Adam and Katrina. Yes, yes. That's so good.

Starting point is 00:19:27 That's so good. Katrina, making you eat that apple. What else did you do down there? So I, and it's funny because this is like what's exciting to me is like an adult and you know, an old man that's like, dude, I just want to like relive my past, you know, an old man that's like, dude, I was like relive my past. You know, I orchestrated it all. So I like picked this house that was like way out in the boonies down there in like a row of grande. And I don't know, they might be a fan.

Starting point is 00:19:55 So I don't know if like I'm just going to say it. But we literally just like jammed like so loud, like we brought all our equipment in there and like closed off the doors. Thankfully we weren't around a lot of other like properties because I was like any sound complaint were done. Yeah. It's not going to work out, but nothing. And so we're like, okay.

Starting point is 00:20:14 So we just kept going in like recorded some stuff and like we just geeked out and played like really loud. So this is the same group that you did with truckie last year then? Yeah. So now it's just becoming an annual trip for you guys. I mean, it's kind of like, if we can make it work, like at any chance, I just kind of throw it out there and see who can, who can make it. So it was like just me and my friend who's a drummer.

Starting point is 00:20:35 And then, um, uh, my other friend who I played, um, at Chicago in, in a college football, we played together too. And ironically, like he's sort of the pastor of this church and like my friend Ed is also working at that church with him and I knew them both from different timelines when I was out in Chicago. So it's just a weird, it's like both of my best friends in college like ended up, they're now friends

Starting point is 00:21:00 and working together. After the fact. After the fact. Oh, that's wild. Yeah, and it's funny cause he's like really into like, it's funny because he's really into like, you know, happy, like chill music and stuff. And like, so he always makes fun of us for being like really like crazy angry music. Do any of them play in the in their church? Because there's some incredible, they do. Well, yeah, Ed used to play a lot, but actually

Starting point is 00:21:23 he's he's kind of stepped away from that. but his son is kind of, you know, he plays drums. And, but he used to do some, some music like that, like, but they have like worship pastors and stuff. Well, there's some, because the place, one of the churches I go over here, they have, they have a band that opens up and plays music. And some of the singers are like, wow, I know. Really good. Yeah. I wonder how many like talented people there are that just stick to that. There's tons.

Starting point is 00:21:48 I mean, there's some. Remember when we were in Nashville and we were just going up the street. Yeah, that's true. It's like, oh my God, like how are these people not on these like major labels? Did I tell you guys the conversation that Katrina had with John Deloni

Starting point is 00:21:59 about coming out to Nashville? Oh, it was pretty funny. It was just, this was actually just like a couple weeks ago. She was on the phone with John and talking about coming out to Nashville. Oh, it was pretty fun. It was just, this was actually just like a couple of weeks ago. She was on the phone with John and talking about coming out there. She's like, oh yeah, I, you know, the guys want to plan a trip out there. And John's like, yes, I want you guys to come out for a week, bring your families. It'll be great. And Chris was like, yeah, I was looking on the counter and I see Morgan

Starting point is 00:22:17 Wallin's going to be there at this week like that. And he's like, she's like, she's like, what? You don't like Morgan Wallin. He's like, there's a Morgan Wall on, on every corner in Nashville. Yeah. She's like, so she's like, you go, he tells her like, you walk down the strip and there's a Morgan wall in every single bar that's playing music. There's talent everywhere.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Just that. And I mean, there's two things that I take from that is one, the, yes, I know that because we've been down in Nashville, that there's that kind of crazy talent, but also to like how many artists are manufactured? Like, especially with the way the way we the way we've learned to hack music. And yeah, like what's your, you know, what Rick Rubin said about how we think it's we've lost that, you know, purity where an artist is putting out the stuff that they put in their diary and they put it out because they love it.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Where now we've we're trying to hack everything. We're trying to hack an algorithm. We unpack what is working and then we just modify whatever we're doing to fit that mold. Plug in the formula, we've got the distribution. And so, you know, and again, I'm a Morgan Wallin fan, so I like enjoy his music right now, but I don't know enough to know like how much,

Starting point is 00:23:21 like he's been manufactured or not. Like is he like just an example of somebody else that's been just like planted? Speaking to that, like that was that's part of my favorite thing about hanging with like some other guys that are like really still into music and stuff. It's like you you get like it. So we play this thing is basically like what used to do when, um, uh, Napster was out, right? And you go download like a song and people would take turns

Starting point is 00:23:47 and kind of like, you know, check this song. Like you try and kind of introduce people to new artists and stuff that's out there. So we kind of like to spend some time doing that on YouTube just for videos and like, hey, I dig this and this artist. And so I got like a lot of new artists and things that were just interesting and it's like I would never listen to that normally but I see like the appeal of this and it's there was this one I forgot I forget the name of it but there's this guy who really

Starting point is 00:24:17 good guitarist but the entire video he's like he's looking at the the camera and when he plays like He's like he's looking at the the camera and when he plays like near He like makes notes his his mouth kind of mumbles it and so it's like he's talking this whole song And it's like he made it. It was so creative like he made it So it was like he was he was trying to ask this girl out his heart gets broken like all this stuff and it goes through It's literally just the guitar playing. Oh, but it but it plays to like, and he's just like kind of miming it the whole time. It's really weird, but I just like, wow, like I never would have watched that. You know, otherwise people. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:54 So much creativity. You had a crazy weekend, Adam. You were hanging out with some. Yeah. I mean, crazy, crazy in a different way. Right. Like not like crazy wild or like over the top, like fun doing stuff, just I had an opportunity to meet my Hampton group.

Starting point is 00:25:09 I got to meet them in person, you know? And, you know, this is a group of like successful individuals who are trying to like, yeah, so I love each other. Obviously, if you've listened to the show long, if you've listened to our show long enough, you've heard me and on social media, you've heard me hammer like mastermind groups. And like, so it's kind of ironic that I'm in this, you know, you know, quote unquote mastermind group, because I am so anti all

Starting point is 00:25:36 that shit so much. And I was actually thinking about after this weekend, because of how much I enjoyed this, like, you know, do I need to rethink the way I talk about these mastermind groups because I've found so much tremendous value in this. And I think the biggest thing that I see that's different from this group that I got to be a part of versus what I see on the internet and all over social media is that they made a, like you have to make a certain amount of money to get into this group. And what I see online a lot is, you know, these people that are praying on anybody that's willing to pay for access. And so in my opinion, like a true mastermind is a group of individuals that

Starting point is 00:26:16 are, that are, like it says, masterminds that, and they get together and they collaborate and they're all brilliant and successful and they leverage each other's knowledge and experience, all brilliant and successful and they leverage each other's knowledge and experience and strengths and weaknesses. But what the internet's done is bastardize those groups. It's now turned into like I'm the one that has this information. All I do is I regurgitate stuff that's like on self-help books. I'll allow anybody who's willing to pay me into this group. And so now it's a group of not necessarily mastermind,

Starting point is 00:26:44 it's just a group of people that are willing to pay to have access into this group. And so now it's a group of not necessarily mastermind, it's just a group of people that are willing to pay to have access to this room. And so you're sitting around a room and maybe you get lucky. So maybe you're listening to this right now and you've been a part of a mastermind group and you're like, Oh, I had a great experience that I paid for this. And it's like, well, maybe you got lucky and there was a couple other people that were really intelligent or brilliant or successful in there, but not most of them. But this group is like that because everybody is that like this crazy,

Starting point is 00:27:06 you know, different industries. Oh yeah. Dude, I mean, you had, um, you had, you had apparel people in there. You had photography in there. You have venture capitalist guys. You have a peptide market. You have, um, uh, you have corporate corporate events. You have, I mean, you had all these like really different and we're, I mean, if you see that there's a picture of us, I mean, you had all these like really different.

Starting point is 00:27:25 And we're, I mean, if you see that, there's a picture of us. I mean, just look like a bunch of dorks. You know what I'm saying? We just look like a bunch of dorks, you know, just all of us. And just, no, but what I loved about this group is that, you know, there's some things that you find in common when you, when I guess you get to that level. things that you find in common when you, when I guess you get to that level, one is extremely successful and type A and confident they are. They also have this incredible balance of humility

Starting point is 00:27:55 and empathy and they're just, they're so humble and you would never know like that, you know, looking at a group, there's like $300 million a year in revenue, like sitting right there. And you would just, you would, you would walk right past them and not think anything of it. And the conversation was just so incredibly stimulating, the entire, I was exhausted. Every day we stayed up till midnight or one of the morning

Starting point is 00:28:21 was back up by 7, 7.30. And it was just seven people of this crazy. I talked to you the last day of it and you were so stimulated. Yeah. Like you were just going off. And I love that feeling, you know, when you're around really, really stimulating people.

Starting point is 00:28:35 Yeah, I can't remember the last like, I know like when I talked to other people about my, my relationship. So when I talk to you guys, well, no, I was gonna say is when I talked to people about our relationship, right? All of us and like, my, I want to talk to you guys. Well, no, I was going to say is when I talk to people about our relationship, right? All of us and like why, why it's worked in the growth over years. I said, you know, I attribute a lot of that to that, right? You guys were all, and then there's definitely some attributes that we all share with this

Starting point is 00:28:57 group is that, and one of the most common ones I'd say is that, uh, that there's this common theme of like, ultra confidence with humility and the, just the pursuit of growth and learning. Like that is like the core and they could, everybody could have different political religious background, all these other things that growth minded yet just yeah, unbelievably growth minded, open minded, and just so fun to have conversation. Probably one of the coolest exercises that we, we did like, open minded, and just so fun to have conversation.

Starting point is 00:29:25 Probably one of the coolest exercises that we did, like, I mean, it was an intentional exercise, but on the last day, there was so much good conversation going that one of the things we had talked about before we got together is like, hey, for shits and giggles, we should build a business together. We should just use all of our strengths and like, let's see how fast we could throw together a business that requires as little of our time and effort. And to be in the living room and watch that exercise unfold with the different strategic minds.

Starting point is 00:29:53 Because you guys, you told me about this, like you guys got detailed. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like, I got an idea, oh cool, I'll do that. And I'll do that. It was like, how do we fix this problem? Running numbers. What about that problem?

Starting point is 00:30:02 Oh yeah, I mean, you have, it's like you have like the guy who does like corporate events. And so he's like unblanked. You have, he's like unbelievably organized. Then you have, oh, we have a chef, right? So we had this master chef, Michelin star type chef who built this app who's super organized. And so you had the two of them that are like,

Starting point is 00:30:16 okay, well, hold on, give me the line items. We need this, this, this, and this. Okay. What else? What else prodding the rest of us of like, what else do we need to get this like right now done tomorrow? And like, okay, I've got it revisited. Okay. Who then tasking it out to each person. Then it's like, what else do you need support that? Okay. And then you have the guy who's, who's a VC, you know, his markets is like, okay, well, what's the opportunity in that market? Okay. Oh, it's $4 billion. Okay. What are the top 10 leading

Starting point is 00:30:40 companies? Oh, they're, uh, they make up this much of the pie. Okay. This is like just being able to distill it down to where the, how much opportunity is there, how much potential could we even possibly make? How fast can we get it up and going? How cheap can we get it up and going? Then how can we delegate it out to make sure it was just in an hour's time. So, and then also processing all the other ideas, right? So you've got everybody spitballing these ideas and within, you know, minutes, you could decide whether that was a valid idea

Starting point is 00:31:10 for what we're trying to accomplish or not and then move on to the next one and then be like, okay, that's the one. And I mean, this morning I got an email of all the task of who's doing what and like, it was just like that. That's so great. Yeah, yeah, so.

Starting point is 00:31:22 You know what you just made me think of? You said something that reminded me of something else you said a long time ago about when you were growing up. You just said that these people all have this combination of things. Like everybody's very successful, very wealthy, right? You said like, you know, millions of millions of dollars, lots of success, but also lots of humility and growth minded.

Starting point is 00:31:40 I remember you saying this when you were a kid, that when you were a kid, that you were raised to think that wealthy people were evil or bad or whatever. And then when you started to have friends whose parents did very well, you learned like that's not the case at all. And it flipped everything for you. And it just made me think of one of the, because Jessica has had this experience as well. She grew up kind of similar to you. And one of the biggest

Starting point is 00:32:05 lies that's been sold to people in most market economies, free societies, which most Western countries fall under that, unless you inherit a ton of money, okay? The vast majority of millionaires are self-made, over 85%. That's real data. When you meet people that are very successful, they're not what the media depicts. They're typically not evil, scheming, you know, get, you know, step on the little guy. They're typically really growth-minded people that work really hard. And I, you know, and it's, so it's like this huge lie that we tell people, and I think it's to keep people from trying to grow or pursue. It's really weird.

Starting point is 00:32:42 I also think there's something else that perpetuates that. Trying to grow or pursue. It's really weird. I also think there's something else that perpetuates that begin at least this has been my experience is there's levels to this and The level before this level is the people that have have made good success. You make good money You're deep into the six figures. You're you're taking care of you and your family But you're not like uber rich Like most of these guys Uber like rich. Like so, and at that level, a lot of people still including myself cause I remember being at this level, right?

Starting point is 00:33:11 Into the six figures, making really good money for myself, but still driven by a lot of my insecurities around money. And what comes with a lot of those insecurities, there's like these dickish personalities, this buying things for other people, not for yourself, trying to front, trying to act like you're at the next level when you're really not. And so I could see how someone like Jessica or me could have been raised that way and then have like a confirmation bias because we've been told by our parents, oh yeah, the rich are assholes, they don't care about anybody, they're this or that.

Starting point is 00:33:41 And then you meet these people who are you perceived to be rich? Cause they drive the Mercedes, they've got the nice clothes on, they talk about everything they do. And it's like, and there's a lot of that in the middle. There's a lot of that when they're, when you're coming up of this pretending that you, you've really made it when you really have it. And then there's a difference of, oh, I fucking passed making it a long time ago. And I don't have to talk about it. I just remember this as a trainer.

Starting point is 00:34:07 At one point, my clientele got very high end, right? Cause you build a reputation as a trainer, you get higher end clients, awesome. And I would meet these people and they were all very hardworking, many of them very, very educated, some of them self-made as entrepreneurs. And it wasn't, they weren't just good at what they did. They were also like classically trained pianists on the side, or they have hobbies,

Starting point is 00:34:29 like mountain climbing and like, you know, like they're just growth minded. They're, they're reading books constantly. And it's like, you see more of that at the higher levels. And you do at the lower level. It's licensed. And that's going to sound shitty. People are going to hear this and be like, Oh, no, no, no, it's true. Like there's less to, when you're growth minded and you pursue this thing,

Starting point is 00:34:48 you're more likely to be successful, but we're constantly sold. And remember, I came from poor immigrants. So, you know, part of me is that suspicious growing up too of that. But then you get to certain levels and you meet these people like, well, you know what, a lot of them are just growth minded. This is why they continue to succeed. And a lot of them didn't start off that way. They built themselves up. It's a shitty lie that we sell to kids, that we tell them that, you know, that making money is evil.

Starting point is 00:35:11 That's not evil. Worshipping money is evil. That's totally different. Totally different. We found out that everybody in the group, which this was kind of really rare, that everybody has a trauma story. Like we all have like crazy fucked up backgrounds.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah. So everybody had come from that. You know, the other thing that's interesting about like, like watching these guys and doesn't break you, right? Yeah. And, and watching Jasmine was the only girl than the rest of us were guys, but watching the way that they process information or they take, like when someone like, I think I shared this with you when we were on the phone, when I was all excited about like just how brilliant this group was. I said, uh, you know, JT, he's in the medical space, which is like, you know, nurses and medical devices,

Starting point is 00:35:51 and he's into, he's like in, into that, right? And he found out like midway through like the, our story at Mind Pump, and he was just so fascinated with the media company and what, what we've been able to do off of it and everything like that. He's like, oh my God, he's like, can I call you? And so one day he calls me and I probably spend an hour, maybe an hour and a half. We talk on the phone. I just, I'm just telling him everything I've learned up to this point, like all the things I did wrong, the things that we've done right. And like, you like the things that we've pieced together to have grown the social

Starting point is 00:36:24 presence, YouTube, Instagram, things like that podcast. And, uh, he just, you know, he's before he hangs up the phone. He's like, man, I appreciate this has been so, you know, I owe you so much for this. I was like, oh, don't worry about the hour call. Yeah. Hour, hour and a half call hangs up. Okay. That was, uh, not even six months ago.

Starting point is 00:36:42 Okay. That dude's Instagram is about to pass mine. And gave the formula months ago. Okay. That dude's Instagram is about to pass mine. And gave the formula. Bro, just, well, just they know how to take the information. Yeah. When I was telling Sal, that was so, that's like, it's, it's, it's awesome to see. And also frustrating because like, it's not like I haven't shared any of that

Starting point is 00:36:57 information with my own YouTube team. Right. Like I've talked to them about all the same things, like of like figuring out using what we have as a litmus test, going back, you know, going back to tweaking a little bit more than do it again. And then he just took all of it and like systemized it. He hired somebody who was a friend of his who's already got a video editing thing. They meet once a month for three or four hours. They batch like 60 pieces of content that it drips all month long. They go back, they evaluate everything, every comment, every like,

Starting point is 00:37:29 every share, everything like that. They look, they compare all the things that they just, they just did from the previous one. They go, okay, that doesn't work. That doesn't work. Okay. That worked the best that they're the next best. Okay. Now how can we tweak this? Tweet that. Okay. Boom. Now they're 60 and they just kept doing that for six months. And then before you knew it, he started to hit and then now, now everything's just hitting. And he's, he's a very, you were telling. Okay. Boom. Another 60. And they just kept doing that for six months. And then before you knew it, he started to hit. And then now, now everything's just hitting. And he's, he's a very, you were telling me about this guy. He's 27 years old, dude. Yeah, he's rare. Yeah. Super talent. Super talent. Like he could see

Starting point is 00:37:55 things or just, yeah, yeah. No, it's like turbocharged him. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, it was, it was, it's so cool to see though, to see that, uh, you know, when you do that, I mean, and I don't know if you guys are watching, I'll share when we get off air because these, this was just happened this weekend and now all of them are posting. Now I knew they, I knew I kind of got to them a little bit. I didn't know how much, um, when I worked them out because they all wanted like this workout. It's like, you know, I saw that. I saw you kind of taking them through a little bit of mobility. Yeah. I literally taught three moves. Okay. Yeah, I taught three moves I actually taught a combat stretch. Yeah a windmill. Yeah, and I got everybody a squat and they all wanted like they were like

Starting point is 00:38:31 They had this was planned on the schedule. I think we're gonna take him through. Oh, yeah Yeah, they thought Arnold get a get a hard pump and like, you know, what are we gonna work out today? And they're all like jazz to get in there and and I'm like what the fuck am I gonna do and then let me live Mind you this group is so different. I got tall. I got short. I'm like, what the fuck am I going to do? And then let me live. Mind you, this group is so different. I got tall, I got short. I got athletic. I got not athlete. I mean, I'm like, this is like the epitome of a group class, right? You know, say like, what the fuck am I going to do with them?

Starting point is 00:38:55 So I had to tell them, I say, Hey, here's the deal. Like, I know you guys were really excited about a workout today. And I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to work you out somehow, but I would never do this. I would never take people like you all in a group and then just take us through some random ass workout, not knowing everybody's this and that. And I said, and so I was really torn. I didn't have a plan.

Starting point is 00:39:13 I'm like, what the fuck am I going to do right now? I said, you know, let's start with a windmill, right? And so like, let's just warm them up and I'll do some stuff. And then, and then I just turned into this like hour lesson of these, these three, these, these three movements and afterwards. And you know, I could tell that you, you could hear, you could just see them all processing the information I'm giving.

Starting point is 00:39:34 And they were all like super grateful afterwards. I wasn't sure, you know, cause we're still all getting to know each other like how they took it. Now I see, cause they're all posting about it. And they're just like, it was like a light bulb moment for all of them. It was like, there's some things that, one of the things I know that, you know,

Starting point is 00:39:48 when we talk about, you know, going in and exercise instead of thinking of it, like exercise is thinking of it as practice and a move. And I was, and they're always like, so should I do 10 reps of this? Or should I do, I said, does it matter? If you did one rep that's extremely, that is quality, it'll be better than three sets of 10. So don't get hung up on that. Perfect this movement that I'm trying to teach you and figure that out first.

Starting point is 00:40:09 That's your foundation. So instead of just piling on more exercises, more sets, more reps. And so they expected, let me guess, they expected to beat the, have the crap beat out of them, but instead afterwards they were energized and they felt good. Yeah. Yeah. See?

Starting point is 00:40:20 Yeah. And like, you're an opportunity for trainers and coaches listening right now. This is what people expect when you show them something like Adam did, because you didn't, I don't know if you want to share this, but they all told Adam afterwards. No, I do. I pay thousands of dollars for that.

Starting point is 00:40:31 I do want to share this to the coaches because here's the thing too. Like this, and this is the power of paying for or getting access to a group like this and then being able to offer your services for free. Now, obviously I had no desired outcome to train clients. I don't want to train no more clients, but had I been still trying to build my training business and I got a hold of these people, offering them a free hour like this would have been so incredibly valued because what happened, and by the way, they all came in thinking they're going to work out. Right. I didn't give you exactly. I blew their mind with three movements that didn't even get them to sweat. Do you know that this, but shattered their paradigm of how they had been,

Starting point is 00:41:07 and they all kind of work out already. But you could tell like all of them like, oh my God, everything I've been doing is wrong. And without me saying that, right, just me giving value and teaching and showing. And then afterwards we went for a walk and all of them are trying to convince me how on the side of this business, I could be charging a thousand to $5,000 an hour for these, these services to teach what I had just taught and whatever else they're like, whatever else you

Starting point is 00:41:28 have behind that. And I'm like, I don't, it's not, it's not the money thing for me. I don't, I said, I don't want to, I don't want to train people anymore as much as I love you guys and everything. But what it highlights is your points, Sal, is like, man, if you're a trainer and you're coach right now, like do not want to be afraid to offer your services for free like that. And then also do not allow other people to dictate what you know is best. Like I, you know, I, and I was close, not gonna lie. I was like, oh, should I just throw them like four or five exercises and we'll just get everybody's way.

Starting point is 00:41:57 I'm like, God damn, no way. I'm not going to do that to these people. Right. And I, and they have to know that like I would never do that. So I was like, you know what, let's just, and then once we started moving and opened the door for me to like explain why this guy couldn't do a full lizard with rotation and why she could get down this way and why her right foot was externally rotating on this person, why this person's heel was raising up

Starting point is 00:42:14 over here. Just building value. Oh yeah. Just teaching all of them on every little thing and explaining why it's so important that we address all these things. And that's literally when you're a coach and a trainer and you're helping someone for free, that's how you're planting that seed

Starting point is 00:42:28 for why they're gonna train with you for the next three to six months. You could be teaching them these things. While you're teaching them, you're breaking down all these things that you see in their room. And the way they feel after, I used to love getting clients that after the workout

Starting point is 00:42:39 they'd look at me and be like, you know what? I feel really good. And they were surprised. By the way they said it, I could tell that they were like, how did you expect to feel? Well, I expected to crawl out of the gym. Like, you're not supposed to feel like that

Starting point is 00:42:50 at the end of a workout. You're supposed to feel really good. Oh, I'll be coming back. You know, you blow their mind. That's crazy. How has everybody's journey with the red light juve? Everybody's been using it pretty regularly. Yeah, yeah. Well, now we have,

Starting point is 00:43:00 I have an extra one in my house now, so I'm back to it. You're still doing the juve sex? Yeah. With the red light. You still doing that? Yeah, juve sex Since I talked about it actually but I do have it up in my bathroom right now, which is nice So what I need to do is I got to find out if because I asked you guys last time if how much the glass delutes But you gotta ask the guys. Yeah, so I gotta find that out because that's how I've been using I'm so I'm at like three days a week. What do you do it same or yeah, I'm daily you're every day. Yeah, okay. Wow three four days

Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah, I what's cool about it is just like how the kids have been noticing And keep asking me questions about it's funny to to try and answer You know like the benefits of it with you know without it sounding like you know magic Yeah, they're like like, you know, magic. That is so crazy. Yeah. They're like, well, how does light help affect, you know, you in a healthy way, and like trying to explain what it does to cells and, you know, in the mitochondria and like trying to, you know, describe to them the benefits. It's challenging, but it's also like, it's cool because they're getting, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:02 exposure to the fact that this is like something that's valid that, I mean, I didn't even know. Well, remember we had Dr. Khan on the show and he kept talking about foundational principles of health. So like, you know, you'll have certain dysfunctions, he goes, but if you can improve the foundational principles, then everything gets better. For example, if you're just an easy one, right? If you're not moving, if you're just on a couch all day long and you have high blood pressure, higher risk of cancer, inflammation, you get headaches, you're not sleeping well,

Starting point is 00:44:34 one foundational principle is let's just exercise properly and move and that'll improve everything. So that's what that basically means, right? So with red light therapy, because that particular wavelength of light positively affects the mitochondria in any cell that it shines on. So no matter what cell that it shines on, it gets the mitochondria to operate more effectively and efficiently. It gets it to operate better. So if it's a skin cell, you get faster regeneration.

Starting point is 00:45:00 If it's a testosterone producing cell, you produce more testosterone. If it's a hair follicle cell, you'll grow more hair. So that's basically how it works. By the way, speaking of testosterone, I got a study I got to tell you guys about. This is pretty cool. I love studies on hormones and behaviors. I think it's so much more interesting than hormones and things like fat loss or or muscle building or whatever. Yeah. So trip off this, right? So I'll read the, I'll read the highlights.

Starting point is 00:45:30 So the study is titled testosterone promotes persistence against a stronger opponent. Okay. So they investigated the effects of exogenous testosterone on competition persistence. Before the competition, they manipulated individuals perceived control testosterone, doubled competition persistence in those with low perceived control. In other words testosterone enhanced sensitivity to the opponents, uh, growing advantage. So in other words,

Starting point is 00:45:56 testosterone made people more resistant to losing, made them want to compete harder, made them want to push harder. Yes. Yes, yes. Men with low perceived control quitted twice as early as those with high perceived control, but then they gave them the testosterone and it countered the effect. So just one more thing, Justin,

Starting point is 00:46:15 to add to the conspiracy theory of why they're trying to lower everyone's testosterone. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's out there, man. You know, speaking of study, I didn't even plan on bringing this up. You just reminded me of this. You know, the study that we talk about, the marshmallow one, the delayed gratification one? Have you heard someone tell you that that's been debunked? I did. I've heard someone say that, but I don't know how to make details. Okay.

Starting point is 00:46:37 So someone in my group said that this weekend because I brought up the delayed gratification thing. Because the study originally was like, this can predict like success. Yeah. They said it was one of the greatest predictors of the kids future success was if they had the ability to delay gratification and they tested them with the marshmallows, have one now or two later type of deal on the kids that said two later or there.

Starting point is 00:46:55 How long did they follow them? Well, so listen, so here's, here's the debunking that I heard from it. And what was interesting was that I was like, well, I could totally relate to that. So, uh, what it said was it was more, there was that I was like, well, I could totally relate to that. So what it said was there was more correlation to how those kids were raised, whether they were raised with privilege or not, because the kids that grew up that were underprivileged, they wanted the marshmallow.

Starting point is 00:47:18 I don't know if I can get one. Because it was scarce. Because it was scarce. And so they were so quick to grab it. Were kids that had abundance and had a lot of money. And with that, they had more patience. They could wait. And I was like, oh, shit, that's kind of crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:30 Because they need to control for that. That's my sugar addiction comes from that. I've told you guys before on the podcast, like I took me a long time to realize, why do I have this wealth there? Weird behavior of when something sweet is in the house, I've got to fucking eat the whole box. I don't do that with anything else.

Starting point is 00:47:45 Simply to eat it. Right. But I mean, for 17 years of my life, I trained myself to, you better get it because you ain't getting seconds, you know. And so you take a kid like that versus a kid who was either an only child or has abundance and doesn't work like that. Like I saw a study with I saw a study with kids where they told they put treats in front of the kids.

Starting point is 00:48:06 They said, okay, I'll be back in 30 minutes, don't eat me or whatever. Then they leave and they see which kids will sneak one or whatever. And then they did it where they said, in that chair, it's an empty chair in the corner. In that empty chair over there, there's a fairy that's watching you to make sure that you don't take any candy. I'll be right back. And then that worked. If the kid, they told the kid that there was like a magical something sitting in the corner, they would like sit there like, oh shit. There you go, I hit the candy.

Starting point is 00:48:29 I did this with my son. And I did this with my son and I almost cried, dude. Like literally got me so emotional. So I just had this for the weekend. This is literally last night I did this with him. And so I'm like, oh, I haven't asked him. But maybe he's, is he old enough yet to me to have this conversation?

Starting point is 00:48:43 Like delay, try and test him. And so I said, I said, hey, daddy asked him, but maybe he's, is he old enough yet to me to have this conversation like the delay, grab, try and test him. And so I said, I said, hey, daddy wants to, I have a question to ask you. You have an option. You have, you have, you can get two cupcakes or one cupcake. Daddy'll give you one cupcake right now, or if you wait till tomorrow, you can have two cupcakes.

Starting point is 00:49:00 What do you want to do? And he sat there and he like pondered it for a minute and he goes, two cupcakes, daddy. And I go, why? And he sat there and he like pondered it for a minute and he goes, two cupcakes daddy. And I go, why? And he goes, so I could share one with you. Oh, come on. I was like, oh, God. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:49:13 Everyone's going to cry. Oh, dude, I just tell her to get it. He got me because he was got me in the field so bad. I was like, oh, first, you know, it's closer like his dad. That's what I, it's, it's, it's not part of his life. He's like, yeah, he's going to be, he's going to be. He's all, he's all, if I tell him that he'll give me three. Yeah. I's like, it's like, he's like, yeah, he's gonna be, he's gonna be, he's gonna be. He's all, he's all, if I tell him that, he'll give me three.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Yeah. I was like, oh man. That's cute. I know, not only did he pick two, but then when I asked him why, so he could share the other one with me. And I was like, oh bro. Come on, you would wait

Starting point is 00:49:37 and then you would give up the other one. I'm like, come on, that's so cool. So like, yeah, instantly I got all. Yeah, my three old keeps telling everybody tells a nanny tells his mom. I I'm gonna be at whatever it is just like bupah and it's always something really good. I'm gonna be strong just like what I'm gonna be really smart. I can't wait to grow up and be just like bupah. Oh, they tell me about this.

Starting point is 00:50:00 Oh, you know, that's so nice to get that. That's the best. You know, that's cute man that he said that. Oh, I know. I was like so I didn't even know if I could have that yet with him. Like, is he at a point where he can even, you did not expect that. I did not. I did not. And I was like, the first, of course, the first part of me is like, oh yeah, he said, did you give him two on the spot? You win, buddy. You know, this is what I also, what my son's so amazing, right?

Starting point is 00:50:21 Like he, I didn't even have that to give to him. He didn't even bug me and ask me. Did you go by him? No, we didn't even talk about it. I was like literally just like, we were in the bathtub and we're talking and I brought it up and then he said that, got all emotional, oh, I love you buddy,

Starting point is 00:50:34 you're so amazing, this and that. Then we went right back to playing, he didn't even think that. I mean, this also too, that's, I think another thing that it highlights and my friends that are having kids now that are coming up or like, or going to, the sugar thing was such the move I feel like, because that's the relationship.

Starting point is 00:50:48 He didn't even bug me about it. He didn't even ask me afterwards, like, Daddy, where's the cupcake? Or am I going to get like, he just, it wasn't a big, it's not a big deal. You know, which highlights too, why he was like, no big deal about waiting another day for two. So he can have an extra one to give away. Like, I was just like, Oh my God. That's so awesome.

Starting point is 00:51:03 Hey, speaking of eating, did I tell you guys the percentage of people or who consumes the most beef? Did I tell you guys this? Like what, what type of people? So, I just read this. Like what region in the world? I just read this study, I thought it was really awesome.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Cause I know that we all in this room make up this percentage. The majority. Yeah. Yeah. 50% of the beef consumption in America. So half of the beef that is eaten and consumed in America is consumed by 12% of Americans. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait of Americans are eating half the beef. Okay No, well, you know what that says to me even more we got how under protein everybody is to imagine if Only 12% of the people are eating a majority of the meat and even the people that I've I've had that I've trained that eat meat Still under consumed protein. What do you think is happening to that? Yeah, 82?

Starting point is 00:52:02 Well, so you see this proper way now the study. What do you think they twit? How do you think they they spun this? What do you guys is happening to that 82%? Well, so you see this the proper way. Now the study, what do you think they twit, how do you think they spun this? What do you guys think they said? Oh, that we're the ones doing the damage to the plan. Oh yeah, many Americans. Like 12% of us are fucking up the level. Claim it offenders. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:52:15 So hey, listen, listen, this is, by the way, this is a new term. We're gonna hear more and more. I'll have a stat for you. We're gonna hear more and more of, especially during election season. Ready, here's the quote. Many Americans are eating nearly eight times more beef in a day than what's recommended. Ready for this? This is the new term for an

Starting point is 00:52:32 earth-friendly diet. Earth-friendly diet. Earth-friendly? Yeah. I just read an article, by the way. How about this stat though? I heard that 9%, so vegans fart 9% more often than beef eaters Wait nine times So I'm like, so I'm like, so I'm like, nine times more. So who's really contributing more to the climate problem? All the all the gas in vegans. Come on, man. Yeah, this check me.

Starting point is 00:53:00 Doug, Earth friendly diet is going to be a thing. Okay. They're going to start saying that earth friendly. Are you eating an earth? So three people from my group were ex vegans. X. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:09 Let me guess. They felt like crap and they had to, yeah. Yeah. Exactly what happened. So, so they, and they had converted to a pescatarian. A, is it a pescatarian or pescatarian? Pescatarian. Not a pescatarian.

Starting point is 00:53:21 It's pescatarian. No. That's just when you're referring to a pescatarian. Yes. So Justin, you'reia, just pescateria. That's just when you're referring to a pescateria. Yes. So Justin, you're wrong, but not that far off. So men who follow a mostly vegan diet fart seven times more than those who follow a predominantly meat-based diet.

Starting point is 00:53:36 Interesting. Ah, C2%. Well, have you guys ever eaten? Still. Have you guys ever tried to eat a vegan day? Soy and stuff like that will do. Well, no, have you ever had a vegan day? I've done it a few times. all those actually do this once a month

Starting point is 00:53:47 where I would have just a vegan day, go low protein for other reasons. And yeah, dude, you just just just an air machine. What? All the all the all the fermentable fibers and stuff, you know, yeah, so you just like an old're just blowing out the ozone layer. What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously. It's funny.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Stop it, you know. Anyway, this will be, this will be, this is going to be a thing. Where they're going to start talking about this, but you know, I've said this before and people in the health and fitness space understand this. The average American eats a terrible diet. Most of their diet majority is made up

Starting point is 00:54:23 of heavily processed foods, but the only whole natural foods that most people still eat are meat, milk, and eggs. And if you cut those out, you are going to cause far worse health in many, many people, which is worse for the earth. The best thing we can do for the earth is have healthy, strong, productive, uh, people in good moods, who have good moods and aren't depressed and not anxious.

Starting point is 00:54:48 So this whole like, let's sacrifice our health for the earth. We're gonna put a bunch of sick, unhealthy, unproductive humans. That's not good for anybody. No, not good for anybody. Yeah, speaking of, so we're talking a little bit about eating nuts, walnuts, legumes, whatever, right? So there's this guy in China who was eating walnuts, you know, legumes, whatever, right? So there's this guy in China who was eating walnuts

Starting point is 00:55:07 and he was cracking walnuts with his, something that he found that he was just cracking the walnuts with, it was working out great for him. Like a tool. Later on, like a tool, seemed like a tool. They look at it, he brought it in somewhere. I think somebody saw it and was like, oh my God, turns out it was a grenade, a live grenade from like World War II, like a German grenade.

Starting point is 00:55:30 And he's just slamming it against these wallets to open them and like had no idea. Like somebody had to tell him like, hey, that's like a grenade. Wow. Can you imagine? It's just a matter of time. Maybe like that one strike boom. Oh, no. Stupid. Yeah. What would even make you lead you to do that? just a matter of time. Maybe like that one strike. Boom. Oh, no. Stupid.

Starting point is 00:55:46 What would even make you lead you to do that? Use that of all the things. I just thought, yeah, it's a heavy object. And he was like, it's kind of long and slender. Super dense. I know that. Oh, that's a German grenade. Yeah, German grenade.

Starting point is 00:55:57 I mean, a lot of people, it looks like you could. Kind of like a pestle or whatever you call it. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. OK, I get it now. Because I'm thinking of a traditional looking grenade. How did they set those off? There was no pin, right? Did you call it? Oh yeah, yeah, no, okay, I get it now. Cause I'm thinking of like a traditional looking grenade. How did they set those off? There was no pin, right? You twist it?

Starting point is 00:56:08 How did that work? Oh yeah, it looks like that, right? Like you twist and then just throw it. I guess, I don't know. I don't know. Good question. That is interesting. It's actually a Chinese grenade, not German.

Starting point is 00:56:19 It's not German? Yeah. This is so red. I'm so wrong with my facts. It just reminded me of a meme. I had a picture of an AK-47. Yeah. This is so red. I'm so wrong with my facts. I just reminded me of a meme. I had a picture of an AK-47. Yeah. And it said, uh, the only good thing socialism ever created and, uh, left us hate it. Because AK-47 was made by the Soviets. It's like the most widely used gun in the world.

Starting point is 00:56:40 It's always the example, right? We gotta get rid of these. Did you guys see the, uh, it the, I go viral on TikTok right now, the Costco woman with the couch? No. Oh, pull up, pull up woman returns Costco couch two years later. Two years later? So, okay, so I have to admit something

Starting point is 00:56:59 that I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I didn't know this in high school. Okay, so, and I don't know how much the policy has changed. I think it's still is kind of like that, but Costco has a very similar, like Nordstrom vibe where it's like, if you've had something for a really long time, you can still bring it. So I had a, I had a girlfriend in high school who every, like, she had a bunch of stuff, like her stereo.

Starting point is 00:57:21 I know she did it with like her bed stuff. She had like a couple of like things that she would, she would buy from Costco and then a year later return it and get the newest model. And she just did that every single year because Costco has this return policy. And yeah. And this is, look at, so the woman is going by after returning her couch of two years after buying. Oh, she said she's like the color anymore.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Yeah. After two years. And that's absurd. So they do, they did it with, they did it with cameras. They did it with like a lot of, and she used to do that with like, like Nikon and Canon, like nice, like, how much do you think that eats into their profit? Like, if you take account of these cuts, cause this people, like, there's got to be like a decent amount of people that will do this. That's a good advantage.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it happens all time. I don't, do you know if they've changed the policy or anything like that? I don't know. Uh, Did you know that you do that? Oh, well So Rachel my girlfriend. Oh, she does it too. Well, so she had this Dyson box and apparently there's some return policy And I go why keeping that Dyson box? Well case I want to return it. I go how long have you had this thing? I thought it for like a year. I go, are you kidding me? You're gonna return a Dyson after using it for a year?

Starting point is 00:58:28 Do you understand that you're making everybody's Dyson more expensive? So the girl that I'm talking about, she came from her dad was a lawyer. So she was like the richest girl out of all of our friends. That's why I thought it was really crazy that she did it. Cause I was the same way. I was just like, wait, wait, wait.

Starting point is 00:58:41 She had her, this is the first time I found out. She had a box for like her stereo boom boxing that she had kept. And I'm like, why do you still have that box thrown away? She's like, Oh, no, I might return this next year. And I'm like, we return it next year. What do you mean? Oh, yeah, Costco lets you I'm the worst returns. I'm the kind of guy like, I don't like to see more. I don't want to return it. I took it. I took it. Yeah, I go get somebody to just take it. If it's anywhere close to a tank of

Starting point is 00:59:03 gas in price, it's like, that's how I, I try to justify like not going back. I'm terrible with that. Isn't that crazy though? It is crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. I mean, I was actually pissed off. Cause I heard how common it was.

Starting point is 00:59:17 And I just thought, you know, as a business owner, having people take advantage of you like that, it's not cool. It's dishonest. It's probably dishonest. I'm gonna put it out there. No, you're right. They have to make it.

Starting point is 00:59:30 Yeah, they gotta. Every company makes a factor in shrink, right? That's what that is, right? So you have to factor shrink in and so it is a little bit more. It's really theft. When you get right down to it, it's just theft. Hey, he gets so mad. You ever see how mad he gets?

Starting point is 00:59:43 We've had a lot, very rare. We've had people who'll, because our program's come with a 30 day money bag. Yeah, Doug does bother hitting them. Oh yeah, someone will do it like three or four times and you could tell what they're doing. There's some people that will take advantage. Doug gets heated. He wants to fight people. I love it.

Starting point is 00:59:57 Well, you know, I have a very strong sense of justice. What can I say? Or integrity, right? You have a lot of integrity. I'm with you, Doug. And so that's one of those things where it's like. I mean, it just doesn't make the world any better when people do dishonest.

Starting point is 01:00:07 I mean, it really bothers me. I'm just calling it out for what it is. It's somebody who's got money too. No, that really bothers me. I mean, if you're like, you know, destitute, yeah, yeah, because I feel like it's like, okay, well, you're not exactly stealing. So it's like one step up.

Starting point is 01:00:20 But they made a virtuous post on Instagram. So it covers, you know. Hey, Andrew, did you find the actual TikTok video that went viral? Cause I was looking for that. I want to see that. I did, but it's, it's kind of a long video. This girl goes over her entire story of beginning to end.

Starting point is 01:00:33 But I looked at Costco's return policy and they have a risk-free 100% satisfaction guarantee with basically everything except cigarettes and alcohol. They don't accept returns and most electronics like television, smartphone device device MP3 players are 90 I'm not giving people ideas. Listen Costco's They're a model of they're very successful and they provide high quality stuff and they've got high service So they must have enough customers who are like Doug and you know, who are like, okay

Starting point is 01:01:00 I like this company in order to make up the difference. I mean, I love their I love their Um, they're a hot dog philosopher. Yeah, I mean this company in order to make up the difference. I mean, I love their, I love their, um, their hot dog philosophy. I mean, that is brilliant. It's so smart because so many people go there for the cheap hot dog and they lose on the hot dogs. You know, kind of like a dollar 50. I forget how cheap. Basically marketing at this point, right? It is. It's so, it's so brilliant to make the, the hot dog and the pizza is so cheap that

Starting point is 01:01:24 everybody goes there and there's a good chance that you're going to need to pick something up from Costco. It's a brilliant straight. It's the same thing that I remember a Safeway hacked into with the whole chickens, right? They take a hit on the whole chicken. That's a, that's a massive marketing strategy that everybody's tried to adopt after the fact has driven so much business their way.

Starting point is 01:01:41 So smart. Interesting. Yup. Oh, shout out. Yeah. Justin reminded me he was talking about music and random artists. It's driven so much business their way. So smart. Interesting. Oh, shout out. Yeah. Justin reminded me he was talking about music and random artists. So this is a different type of a shout out for the audience. But I've literally, I think like for the last five or six months,

Starting point is 01:01:55 like his music has all I've been listened to. Stephen Rodriguez, cool artist, really, really cool artist. So if you have similar music taste as I do, if you don't, then whatever. Really, really core artists. So if you have similar music taste as I do, if you don't, then whatever. Uh, but you'll like it. I think I've really enjoyed his stuff. So check out his stuff on, on Spotify or wherever music is streaming. Element T is an electrolyte powder with no artificial sweeteners and no sugar. That can do a lot of things that can help prevent headaches, muscle cramps,

Starting point is 01:02:21 fatigue, sleeplessness, uh, and other common symptoms of electrolyte deficiency. This is the best electrolyte powder you'll find on the market. It has the right amount of sodium for people who work out and don't eat a heavily processed food diet. It's great stuff. Go check them out, get yourself a free sample pack. Go to drinklmnt.com forward slash mind pump

Starting point is 01:02:40 and you'll get a free sample pack with any order. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Anthony from Idaho. Anthony, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Anthony, did I tell you Green Bay beat us already? Yes, I saw that. That was real. Yeah, you are a true fan.

Starting point is 01:02:58 Yeah, so true fans. So rock that right now. Yeah, that's a tough one. First, first off, just, uh, this is pretty surreal for me. This is pretty crazy. Been listening to you guys for the last couple of years. And, uh, so I don't ramble here. I will just stick to my email. So thank you guys for the podcast.

Starting point is 01:03:21 You really pretty much saved my life. I had hit rock bottom in August of 21 with alcohol and my health. I had gotten up to about 430 pounds at the time and was sitting in a jail cell for about 90 days due to too many DUIs. When I found your podcast after getting out of jail because I wanted to start a new life, I haven't stopped listening to since I've gone back to all sorts of your, to the old ones and been playing catch up with the new ones going back and forth. And that's been pretty fun to hear the, the podcast evolve in that way. Um, currently I am down to around 327 pounds.

Starting point is 01:04:04 It actually spent a good year after getting out of jail around 350 pounds following your programs and listening to your podcasts. And I have really noticed now when I've been trying to drop the weight, it's been a lot easier, which has been really fantastic to go through just listening to you guys. I really wanna push myself, my mind and my body and be the best version of myself by my 40th birthday. And what I want to do is I wanna try and do one bodybuilding competition at the age of 40, just to see how far I can push myself

Starting point is 01:04:42 and just to see if I can do it. And I was just wondering what advice would you guys have for me going forward? First of all awesome Story to hear where you're at now man. That's in that's you what you've done Oh, wow, we just got a picture of this is you currently right now Yeah, the bottom one with the trying to flex How long it's. How long? Wow, that's incredible.

Starting point is 01:05:06 How long does it take? How long until you turn 40? It is a little less than two years. I turned 38 in November. Okay, okay. Okay, we can make, and you've got a good base. Yeah. You've definitely got some muscle on it for sure.

Starting point is 01:05:19 Yeah, you know, now let me ask you this. What is it about competition that you're drawn to or doing the bodybuilding competition? What's the feeling or the drive or what are you getting, what are you gonna get out of it? Cause that'll help me with my answer. So I've been a competitive athlete my entire life. I spent most of my life playing baseball and basketball, played baseball in college.

Starting point is 01:05:41 And I just kind of coming out of the last three years of basically a whole new transformation. I really want to push myself, my mind and my body to the limits. And I want to see where it goes. I want to see what I can really do. Okay. Okay. Now there's a good and a bad side to this. Okay. The good side is if you take your time And do things the right way then it'll work out well for you the bad side is if you rush it and or and or You fall in love with this This goal like this is everything once I hit that goal man. I life is gonna be different. It's gonna be incredible You could suffer from what they call a rival.

Starting point is 01:06:28 So what is that post post arrival, depression, or where you get the goal. And then afterwards you're like, Oh God, what do I do now? Can I, can I make a suggestion for a different kind of competition that I think may serve you a little bit better? Yeah. Have you thought about powerlifting? I'm seeing the same thing. I actually kind of did think about that. The, it kind of was those two that I was kind of thinking about doing, honestly. I like powerlifting

Starting point is 01:06:52 better. Yeah. Even if it's beforehand. And I also think that you could take that advice from Sal and still build a sick ass physique on the way. Yeah, dude, because powerlifting has weight classes. So you could get leaner and leaner and leaner and leaner and leaner and still be very competitive in powerlifting. And you could do a powerlifting competition now. I mean, you could you could get ready for one now. And because it's performance oriented, the potential damage that it could run on, let's say, your metabolism, your body and your psyche is far lower. And I'm not saying powerlifting is perfect, but bodybuilding is one of those sports where And I'm not saying powerlifting is perfect, but bodybuilding is one of those sports where,

Starting point is 01:07:27 I mean, you get into it and if you just, you're just more likely to have a better relationship with food going through powerlifting. Bodybuilding is, It'll mess, it messes with a lot of people. It's really, really difficult to not put you in a bit of this body obsessiveness and this extreme levels of dieting and cardio.

Starting point is 01:07:47 And so you're just flirting with that. And because you're in this, you're in a beautiful place right now. I mean, I love hearing a story like yours where you've completely turned your life around. You're fucking heading down the right path right now. I love the idea of setting up a crazy bad-ass goal, getting after it.

Starting point is 01:08:02 I don't like bodybuilding as the choice, just for the reasons of, I know what it can do to you mentally going, getting so obsessed with the body. But I also respect that you want to push your body to a level like that. And I, we can do kind of both meaning we could train for a power lifting meat, but then I could also help you like, Hey, let's keep sculpting and getting lean and getting ripped. And like, why not look badass while you do it too, but not so obsessed about the

Starting point is 01:08:27 calories and the, and the, and the weight and the body fabricators that you start doing things that are unhealthy just to get this body. We'll feed that competitive itch. And I know like, you know, as an ex athlete myself too, it's just, it's one of those things you want to be, you want to drive towards something. And it's like a very rewarding experience when you see yourself progress and you're pushing your body in that direction. I think, you know, to pour yourself with a strength focused goal is going to carry you so much further. And, you know, as you get into that, and you really,

Starting point is 01:09:01 you know, it becomes ingrained in you, uh, and you're eating and you're feeding yourself appropriately and healthy. Uh, that's where we can start looking at, you know, maybe going into showing off your body and like what's happened as a result of what you've put in. Yeah. Look, here's the deal. You can get lean and do powerlifting, but the powerlifting is going to check whether or not you're over dieting, overdoing cardio because you'll get weaker. You're just going to get weaker with bodybuilding. People ignore that.

Starting point is 01:09:27 They get so focused on the scale. And I got a chance. I got an over train. I got a diet, whatever that they, it's like they don't pay attention to their performance or their health or how they feel. Now, again, I'm not saying you can't go unhealthy in a powerlifting competition, but it's a far better choice for most people. And it's going to feel more like the competitions you

Starting point is 01:09:45 did when you were playing sports than bodybuilding. You know, bodybuilding, you get on stage and then judges tell you whether or not you win or not. Like powerlifting is much more like football, baseball. For sure. Like you, you, you lift the weight or you don't. Like the judges are just looking, they're just very objective. They're just going to make sure you touch your chest when you bench and you're going to do a deadlifting and get full extension. That's it. The judge is not going to look at you versus another guy and go, well, his bench press looked prettier. Therefore, nah, you move the weight or you don't. I also like the idea of that, even if, let's say our long-term goal is to eventually get on a bodybuilding stage. Going the powerlifting route first is only going to serve you.

Starting point is 01:10:21 Way better. Because it will, it's going to force you to get really strong, build lots of, uh, uh, build lots of muscle, also not do any sort of metabolic damage because you're in a place where you need to be able to perform. And so you'll be so centered around that. And then when you're like, shit, I'm stronger and leaner than I've ever been right now, now let's take it to the bodybuilding thing. You'll be in a better position to prep for a show from there than you, than you would just going straight for prepping for a show right now, now let's take it to the bodybuilding thing. You'll be in a better position to prep for a show from there than you would just going straight for prepping for a show

Starting point is 01:10:48 right now. And so if we have any influence on you, I think we're all in alignment. I would push you towards the powerlifting me. And if you do choose to do this, one, I love to give you maps, powerlift. And then two, I'd love to put you in the forum and be there to help guide you through this process. And then two, I'd love to put you in the forum and be there to help guide you through this process. Okay. Yeah. I think you guys, because I was teetering on going either way, and I think you guys kind of convinced me to go the powerlifting route because I think like you said, the competitive

Starting point is 01:11:18 nature is it's objective right there. You win or lose, you got to do it. So I think that's the best way to go through it. The iron, the irony is if you, if you're doing things like tracking your protein, watching your diet, make sure you eat healthy, you'll end up with a better physique in a year doing powerlifting competitions than you will bodybuilding straight up. Where, where are you at?

Starting point is 01:11:39 Um, give me an idea where you're at calorie wise and then tell me where your lifts are at. I'm kind of, I want to know your starting point here. Give me an idea where you're at calorie wise and then tell me where your lifts are at. I'm kind of, I want to know your starting point here. Um, so calorie wise, I am at, uh, I, let's say over the holidays, I didn't track as well as I wanted to. So, yeah, let's say when you're tracking, when you're tracking, tell me where you're at.

Starting point is 01:11:58 So when I'm tracking, when I'm, when I've been dropping the weight about a pound and a half week, I was about at 3, 3, 200 calories. Okay. All right. Good. Good. Good.

Starting point is 01:12:10 That's what I wanted to hear. I didn't want to hear something like 1800 or 2000 calories. Yeah. Right. No, no, I, I don't think I could ever go to that. I like to do 200. Yeah. You know what though?

Starting point is 01:12:20 By the way, that's exactly what happens to bodybuilding competitors though is they end up pushing themselves to those low, low, just to keep the weight loss going, the weight loss going. And so, and that's what we're afraid of is you're so focused on the stage day that you start to throw out what's best for your body where you won't get like that in powerlifting because it's, there's no benefit to you being that low of calorie and, you know, leaning or losing that much weight right before a powerlifting meet. So I think the powerlifting, I think you're in a good place already calorie wise. So I think you're in a really good place to do this. And then, Hey, let's, let's assess after the powerlifting meet.

Starting point is 01:12:55 Um, if you're still thinking about the bodybuilding thing, and I think you'd be in a much better position. You're like, yeah, atmosphere of a powerlifting me too, man. Being an athlete, it's going to feel so, it's going to feel familiar. I like him. Okay. Cool. Yep. Yep. All right, dude. We're athlete, it's going to feel familiar. I like it. Okay. Cool. Yep.

Starting point is 01:13:06 Yep. All right, dude, we're going to send over maps, power lift and then get you in the form. Make sure you say hi and let us know when you start the process. I will. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate everything you guys have done and taking my question today. You got it, man.

Starting point is 01:13:18 I appreciate you. I switch you guys. Have a good one. If 90% of the people that competed in bodybuilding, and I say 90% because that probably encompasses like the average, like people competing to local shows and stuff, right? There's that 10% that are like highly competitive. But if you took a majority of people who tried bodybuilding shows and put them

Starting point is 01:13:39 in a powerlifting, they'd be better off. Oh, yeah. How many would you say, like, I know Arnold had a bit of a background in powerlifting. I know there was other examples of like famous bodybuilders that started there. And then their physiques look amazing. Yeah. Ronnie Coleman, Ronnie Coleman, the other one, Franco Colombo. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:55 That's another one. So and two, I mean, and we, we've stressed this a lot, I think with women in terms of like being able to get, because it's less, I guess, you see it less. And so to get them, you know, focus on strength is such so transformative. A guy like this is losing so much weight. If he went into a bodybuilding, my fear, which I think would probably happen,

Starting point is 01:14:19 is he'd over die it to the point where he would, and then he would be screwed. He'd go right back and gain all the way back. Yeah, yeah. That's why I wanted to know where he was at calorie wise and then make that point that you be, you will get down. That's what they do is they start off at 32 and then the weight loss slows down and they're so focused like, Oh shit, I'm on stage in 16 weeks. So I need to do this. And so you start, you just start doing that because you don't care about how strong you are. You don't even care how you feel.

Starting point is 01:14:42 You don't care about your fitness. No, you're trying to get down to a size to, you know, do well on stage and you just throw out everything else. And so it's just not, I tell you what, these, uh, when we get callers like this, this is a part, this is my favorite part of what we do. Like I just, hearing somebody like that where they, they get thrown in jail because he's had so many DUIs, level of depression and shit where he's at. And to see him turn his life around right now and then make health and fitness. That's amazing.

Starting point is 01:15:10 So, so cool, man. Keep going, Anthony. Our next caller is Adam from Wisconsin. Adam, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for having me on and appreciate your time and just really everything you do for the community.

Starting point is 01:15:22 I know you hear that a lot, but Begg's repeating multiple times. So thank you. Thank you. Awesome. Wanted to ask a quick question about folks that myself included who have engaged in professional coaching, had a trainer, a nutritionist over a period of time and now are looking to kind of transition out and are feeling empowered to do that work on their own.

Starting point is 01:15:47 And wonder if you have any advice for folks that have navigated into that space and what you would advise them to kind of take as first steps navigating this stuff on their own. That's a cool question. How long have you been with a coach and how many times are they seeing you right now per week? For a year and check-ins are once a week. Okay. And that whole time, it looks like you did like reverse dieting. So everything's good now. You got this nice stable place. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:16 I went up from over, basically over a year from about 2,000 calories, a little short of 2,000 calories, now up to 3,100. Um, and in that time period actually dropped some, some weight, uh, along the way, which is, um, confusing, but here we are. So, so yeah, so, but feeling at that stage where, you know, I've got the tools in my tool belt and kind of want to take a path on my own. Awesome. Adam, what are your, what are your worries of going on your own? Cause you've been with them for a year.

Starting point is 01:16:44 So you, you have a good idea of kind of what to eat, what to look for and feel. But I'm assuming you feel a little apprehensive. And that's why you're asking this question. What are your fears? I appreciate the way you frames that. Not necessarily fears, but just more of kind of questioning, well, what do I do when I don't have someone that's, you know, checking my calories, checking my macros, saying, hey, are you a lot not necessarily accountability, but just more about where do I go from here? Not having a goal or a strategy or someone to check that past. So maybe that's maybe maybe that's an answer to your question.

Starting point is 01:17:23 Have you thought about it? know it's Sal was actually Notorious for this as far as the three of us. He did this the most is is actually Scaling down to once a month before you go completely I was just gonna say that like if you feel if you don't feel like fully comfortable Going on your own and even if it's not he's fully comfortable even if you just appreciate the accountability That's right. That's what I mean. Like so it's a valuable investment. Once a month, once a month, you reduce your cost by one fourth. And now you and you but yet you still have that accountability that

Starting point is 01:17:54 I'm going to have to see, see Sal on, you know, Monday of next week. It's like peace of mind for you. Yeah. So I mean, have you considered that? No, it's a great it's a great framing of that. I kind of was doing the, the false binary of it's one or the other. So it's a great, a great, a great, uh, yes, and there. So I appreciate that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:13 No, it's, uh, you know, it's, it's a scaling down, right? Cause going from working with someone to nothing at all, uh, that can be challenging. It just can because it's completely different. Um, but you know, you could go, you could go once every other week or once a month. That's what I would do. So if you were my client and you voice this to me like, okay, I'm coming up on this and, you know,

Starting point is 01:18:34 I'm not sure how I want to do this on my own. That's what I would offer to you. I'd say, well, I can meet with you every other week or we can meet once a month. And then let's just take it from there. And then that's a, it's a much more gradual Process and you get more time on your own Feel it out and then from there you eventually get to the point where you're on your own. Yeah. Yeah, right, which is kind of more

Starting point is 01:18:55 The space that I was framing the question in because it's it's maybe I was motivated to say You don't really need this anymore. I don't know if you've had clients Excuse me in your experience where you're like, no, I feel, and that's kind of how I feel right now. Like I feel, I feel good, but I still have goals and I still want to crush them. And so what are, what are the mechanisms out there for kind of someone like me that is, is moving from a space where you hurt, you're kind of outsourced that thinking and now you're going,. It's a blank blank slate I can do kind of whatever I want with this. Yeah, no, so the conversation with your coach is exactly that it's like, okay

Starting point is 01:19:32 I'd like to Slowly transition to being on my own So I'd like to meet with you less frequently and I would like for some of our coaching to be centered around How I can start to figure out some of the stuff on my own. So what you don't wanna do is work with someone, let's say once every two weeks, and then they give you everything to do over the next two weeks.

Starting point is 01:19:51 So it's really not that different. The only difference is you're not checking in as often. So then the coaching changes a little. So like the way that it would, typical client for me, there were people I trained for 10 years, you know, 12 years nonstop. And typically what it would look like is someone

Starting point is 01:20:05 would start with me two days a week, then they'd go three days a week, then they'd go down to two days a week, then they'd go down to one day a week, then they'd go down to one day every other week, and then I had clients who were with me once a month who had been with me for 12 years. And it worked out perfectly. And then some of them just stopped and they were on their own. But a lot of them just went down that path because they appreciated the check-in, the meeting, the, maybe I need some new exercises or I got this new pain or whatever. Because, you know, I'm the expert and they're not type of deal, but it was a, it really in terms of, uh, improving sustainability with my clients, it was

Starting point is 01:20:41 one of the key factors that played a role. Sal did this the most, but I did do this also. The clients that I did do it with the way it looked like for me was you actually would see me that once a month and it was more you actually telling me everything. I was just there to like give you like thumbs up, like, oh yeah, great. Yeah. Good call on that. Or, oh, you know what? You probably should have scaled this a little bit slower or, you know what? Maybe it's time that we changed this routine out for that routine or like, you know what, let's stop that. Or you know what? That probably should have scaled this a little bit slower or you know what? Maybe it's time that we change this routine out for that routine or like,

Starting point is 01:21:06 you know what? Let's stop that. Or you know what? Your knees bother you. Let me do some things. Like they were really, they were leading everything at that point. And I was just there to be that authority to go like, Hey, great job. Or you might want to consider this. Or like Sal said, if there's like something that has been troubling you for that month, you would bring it to me when we get a good, we're normally good friends. We've been working,

Starting point is 01:21:27 we've been training together for years or years at this time. And so, you know, we enjoy the workout together and seeing each other and catching up. So there's, there's nice camaraderie around that. And then it's like, literally, you're telling me what's going on. And I'm just kind of there to kind of guide you on and give you a high five along the way. I had a lot of success with that. I think my clients really enjoyed that. And, you know, if, if it financially, if it's something that's feeble to

Starting point is 01:21:48 you, I think there's a lot of value and especially if it's a really good coach. If you really respect this person as like, man, this guy or girl knows their shit and obviously way more than I, they do in this profession, you know, and so there's a lot of value just having that person to see once a month regardless, if you could do it all on your own, just having that brain to, you know, bounce things off of. Well, to kind of, yeah, kind of piggyback off of what they're saying. This, this is what led us into also like really crafting these programs the way that we did. So that way too, it's like one kind of leads into the next, which leads into the next. And you can kind of draw that out in terms of like the entire year

Starting point is 01:22:26 So that way it's not like guesswork in terms of like well, you know if I'm just trying to be healthy I have sort of like a path that I can take You know in that direction to stay strong and keep my muscle mass as is or if I want to like really test myself and challenge myself In this part of the year So I don't know like you know if he has you on very specific plans that you could then, you know, sort of take that and then run with it and then you just check in with him, you know, or if this is just based off of like nutrition, that that I was like, more of your concern was like, I did this to nutritionally, you know, the training, I'm sort of, I got to have that down, but like, I need more help

Starting point is 01:23:01 with this. No, it's a, I appreciate the kind of the framework and I don't know if this has been your experience or if you've heard from other trainers, but it kind of seems like they presented as like, this is the package. Like I've, I have option A and option A is this is the way it works. This is the cost for it. And so I haven't even thought of the alternative there. So I'm grateful.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Well, show this video to your trainer or coach because they need to, this is a good thing for a train for a coach, uh, to understand because what happens is they've, what they've done, you know, without realizing, cause I know if when you bring this up, they're like, Oh yeah, let's do that. What they've done is presented you with this false idea that it's over afterwards, but that's not really how it works. So yeah, they, a hundred percent, they're going to be like, totally. Let's do that.

Starting point is 01:23:46 Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Thanks guys. Appreciate you. Thanks for calling him. You know, one thing I like to focus on there, just for all the haters out there, the reverse diet and you don't speed up.

Starting point is 01:23:59 He went up a thousand calories and lost weight and that's countless people. Or like that. So yes, you could totally do it. You could totally do it. Yeah. It takes a little bit of time. You got to do it the right way. But what do you, uh, psychology or sales?

Starting point is 01:24:11 What do you think he was in? Oh, him? Oh yeah. Some kind of. Yeah. He, he, he, he, he multiple times talked about reframing. He also did the, uh, and yes. So either he's got sales training in him or he's or psychology improv classes.

Starting point is 01:24:28 I want to know Adam. So when you email in or DM me one or the other, I'm just curious. I meant to ask him and then we got carried away on other questions. But you know, I think that when you find, I have a client like this still to this day, you know, when you find a good trainer and coach that, you know, there's no question in your mind, like their level of education experience is going to, it'll always exceed yours because it's their profession, you do something completely different and you can afford to keep someone like that out of your life once a month. There's tremendous value. Huge, huge value. Because, you know, I mean, shoot, I was just doing this with Sal, like I have family that reaches out to

Starting point is 01:25:03 me, I still default to hit to Sal, help me out with answering stuff with my own family. And just the fact, obviously it's on their family so that I'm not charging them to do that. But imagine they didn't have me, like the value of being able to go like, oh my god, you know, uncle so-and-so is going through this or, and like, you know, when you have a profession or professional like that that you can rely on. And if you can afford to do that, so much value. I think professionals really need to consider this in today's age, like just a text message.

Starting point is 01:25:29 Like if they have that as an option, like, you know, every now and then I can kind of text from you or like, you know, keep me accountable. Like because people do want to be able to have like somebody they can refer to as they're going through, you know, on their own. So I think it's a viable. Bro, as I actually was teaching Kyle this the other day when we were doing

Starting point is 01:25:48 this stuff for the trainers and for all the trainers that are listening right now, I think that should be your, your last drop or your cheapest thing is that you have this offer that's, you know, a hundred bucks a month and that's all it is. But it gives a digital access to you all the time for them to be able to text and ask questions and do stuff like that And you'll and you'll answer a lot of value in that Our next caller is Katie from Ontario. Hi, Katie. Hey, Katie. How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Good. What's happening?

Starting point is 01:26:16 Good. Um, so first of all, I just want to say thank you After listening to your advice, I was able to reverse diet myself out of a pretty bad situation a few years ago I was over training under fueling and sort of messed myself up hormonally a little bit And so since then I've gone through a few mini-bulks and cuts My problem is cutting makes me feel terrible. It makes me feel like trash. My workouts suffer. I'm exhausted and it just makes me feel awful. So goal-wise, I guess I could stand to lose a little bit of body fat but it's not really that important to me to be honest. I have a decent amount of muscle. What I do want to focus on though is getting stronger, um,

Starting point is 01:27:05 and just feeling good in my body and having more, um, energy. So I'd like to push the calories back up again. But if I noticed that I'm putting on some body fat, um, more than I'm comfortable with, I'm just wondering how I can mitigate that, um, without a drastic cut and feeling like prop again. Yeah, great question. There's two ways to get leaner. Body fat percentage wise, Katie. Option one is to lose actual body fat. Option two is to build muscle and keep the amount of body fat you have on your body the same. Because remember, body fat percentage is a percentage of overall body weight. In other words, if you gain five pounds of muscle, you're now leaner, even though you didn't lose a pound of body weight. In other words, if you gain five pounds of muscle, you're now leaner,

Starting point is 01:27:45 even though you didn't lose a pound of body fat. So reverse dieting slowly and focusing on strength will accomplish both of those for you. Now, if you reverse diet and you say, oh, I think I'm gaining too much body fat, you just reverse a lot slower or pause, pause the reverse and see if you can, or reverse out of it just a little bit.

Starting point is 01:28:04 So let's say you went up 200 calories this week and then you stayed like that for a couple of weeks. You're like, oh, I'm putting a little bit of body fat. Bring it down again. Bring it down maybe 100, 150 and just keep it there and just play that little game, that little step ladder game of bringing the calories up or maintaining while focusing on performance in the gym and getting stronger. That's going to serve you in the best way. You know, an exercise I used to do with my clients when we were going through

Starting point is 01:28:30 something like this, and this is all for the psychological aspect of, I feel like I'm getting fatter at them because we're adding all these calories and we're in this mini bulk. And many times that feeling that they have is just they're holding a little bit more water, they have more carbs, so glycogen in their muscles. And so they feel a certain way. Maybe they are, they're inflamed a tiny bit because we train really hard. And a lot of the times it's not that they're putting body fat on,

Starting point is 01:28:54 they just feel this certain way. And then a lot of times they, they course correct and go the other direction. So one of these exercises I used to love to do with my client is as we're in this reverse diet, and I think they're doing great. We're slowly increasing calories. They're getting stronger and they report back out of my fill. Like I'm getting a little fatter and putting body fat on. I go, okay, tomorrow we're going to do a 24 hour fast. And I put them on a fast and then I'd say, how do you feel?

Starting point is 01:29:16 Oh my God, I feel, I feel so much better. I say, listen, we didn't lose any pounds of fat today. We didn't do that in one day. One day did not lose a pound of body fat even on you. All we did was bring down inflammation, we depleted your glycogen, and so you look like you're less full right now. So it's not that you're fat

Starting point is 01:29:34 and it's not that you're putting fat on right now. We're just, we got a lot of calories in us. We're reverse dieting. This is total, this is a total normal process. So I love to do that. And sometimes that's a good exercise if you don't have coach and trainer. It's a great little exercise to do to yourself just to And sometimes that's a good exercise. If you're not, if you don't have coach and trainer, it's a great little

Starting point is 01:29:45 exercise to do to yourself just to make sure you keep yourself in check. When you have those feelings, instead of going on this long cut or now depleting calories for extended period of time, do a fast and see how you feel and look after that. And a lot of times that will solve that. And you'll be like, Oh, wow, I feel great. Or I look great. Just don't overcorrect as the main thing here.

Starting point is 01:30:03 Yeah. Do you, how do you judge whether or not you're gaining excess body fat? Do you have an objective metric that you use or is it based off of just feel? So I want to get more into the place where I can, I'm gauging based on, you know, how my clothes are fitting or how I'm feeling. I stopped weighing myself last week because to be honest, I was messing with my head a little bit. There were a few times I weighed myself, my weight's up, but I look at myself and I feel like I look great, but the scale was still screwing with my head too much.

Starting point is 01:30:37 So I decided that that is not my friend. So I ditched that. So yeah, the metric that I really want to use is just how I'm feeling and how, like even how I look, but based on that judgment, right? Yeah, the scale becomes our God. And that God will tell you, you're gonna have a good day or you're gonna have a bad day regardless of what's actually going on. So you did a good job by tossing the scale.

Starting point is 01:31:00 You could get a body fat caliper test. Do you go to a gym? Yeah, so you might be able to ask a trainer there, hey, can I get a body fat caliper test as a, do you go to a gym? Yeah. So you might be able to ask a trainer there. Hey, can I get a body fat test with you, you know, once every three weeks or something like that. And then just look at the trend. That's another way to do it. How your clothes fit. That's another way to do it. But I like performance in the gym and clothes, how your clothes fit and then how you feel in the gym. And by the way, if you're building a little bit of muscle

Starting point is 01:31:25 in certain areas like the hamstrings or glutes, that means your pants may feel tighter in that area, but they tend to feel looser in the waist type of deal. Sometimes my female clients would freak out because their shirts might feel tighter, but that's because their posture straightened out. Maybe they got maybe a little bit more deltoid development. So it's really, it's a lot of this is in our heads and it starts to mess with us.

Starting point is 01:31:46 A lot of it's in here. I mean, sodium can manipulate this with water. You can have a poor night's sleep and a little bit of extra stress in your life and then the body gets inflamed. And like, there's a lot of things that could really change the way our clothes fit, feel and the way you look in the mirror day to day. And so if, and I like the idea of the body fat percentage once every three weeks, but here's the rule

Starting point is 01:32:06 that I would have if you were my client also is that this is our plan, we're gonna reverse diet, we're adding these calories. You go, I'm gonna go take my body fat test, you test it, and then you're like, oh, out of my, I feel like we're putting, I'm putting on body fat, or I don't feel like we're going the right direction. I would want you to feel that way

Starting point is 01:32:21 and make it through another body fat test to confirm that that's what's happening before I let you course correct. Because you could just be having a day or three days in a row of just that kind of feeling. And then once that water gets out and then once the inflammation comes down, all of a sudden you're feeling better. And what I didn't, I don't want to do with you is course correct and go the other direction before we gave it some time to see like, Oh, let's let that

Starting point is 01:32:44 inflammation come down. Let's see how you feel in a week or two for now. So, you know, when you, and three weeks, by the way, in a slight reverse diet calorie surplus is not going to put on a crazy amount of body fat. So when you get that feeling of you want a course correct, make sure you stack two body fat tests back to back in a row. I did one this week. I didn't like how the results were, but I'm still not going to course correct. I'm going to stick with it for another three weeks. And then if it's still is trending in the wrong direction, okay, I can course correct. But a lot of times what will happen is within that week or

Starting point is 01:33:14 two, it'll even out body will respond and then you'll see positive results. And then you know, okay, I just need to stay the course. How do you, how do you feel otherwise? I feel great. Um, my sleep's pretty good. I was running as well, running two times a week. So I'd go to the gym doing a program four times a week. I was running twice. Since my last cut started, like mid-December, I don't have the energy to run, I started like mid December. I don't have the energy to run. Just tired all the time.

Starting point is 01:33:46 So, you know, I needed to cut that out. But other than that, like before that in December, when my calories were higher, when they were like 2,500, I felt amazing. Like my sleep was good. I had good energy, you know, woke up like right away, not groggy. So everything else was great.

Starting point is 01:34:02 Just, just lift, just lift. I would cut the cardio. Unless you like to stamina and the endurance, the running endurance, which if you do, that's fine, but I wouldn't even do the running. I would just walk. If your goal is just to feel fit, lean, strong, incapable. Again, if you want that kind of endurance, you're only, you're only going to be able to get it if you run. But otherwise I would cut that

Starting point is 01:34:21 out. I would walk and I would train to build muscle and strength, slowly reversed diet, and you're going to get leaner from doing that. That's what's going to happen. The, the body fat percentage will go down, but you will mess with your head. If you use metrics to, to gauge progress too frequently, but obviously the scale, you took that out wonderful, get rid of it. Don't even have in your house, but even circumference measurements, even body fat, if you get addicted to those,

Starting point is 01:34:47 those can even start to mess with your head a little bit. Because what they do is they tell you what you're feeling is wrong. Yeah, oh, I feel good, uh-oh, but the scale said this, oh, now I don't feel good, or I feel like crap. But the scale went down, I feel good now. It's like, it literally takes you out of your body and it becomes your God dictating to you

Starting point is 01:35:04 how you're supposed to feel. And you don't, you don't want that. It's gonna, it's not going to direct you in the right way. This is why I want two, two bad body fat tests in a row before we even, which is six, three weeks, which is six weeks. That's three weeks, three weeks. That's six weeks before you make any drastic decisions because a lot can happen in that. And a lot of times you're just testing on a wrong day that it didn't test good. And so don't allow that one test or one scale way to deter you.

Starting point is 01:35:30 So that would be my advice if you do the body fat. You wanna know what's funny? You wanna hear a true story? This is a trip. I stopped testing body fat percentages and weighing people, probably the last, I don't know, nine years of my career. And I got way better results with all my clients, all of them, and I stopped doing them completely,

Starting point is 01:35:48 didn't do them at all, unless somebody asked me and it was whatever, but I just stopped doing them, and people got way better results. I think they're more of a negative than a positive for the most part. Yeah, that makes sense, and I 100% agree, I found that I don't want some sort of external metric like that dictating my progress, because I felt that I would look a certain way of external metric like that dictating my progress because

Starting point is 01:36:05 I felt that I would look a certain way, be happy and then weigh myself and then feel bad about it for no reason. With respect to the frequency of how many calories to increase when going through this, I have in the past just gone really, really slowly and just done like a hundred wait a few weeks, a hundred wait a few weeks. Would you recommend that kind of frequency? Yeah, that's fine. I could do 100 every two weeks, 150 every two weeks, depending on the individual. But if you feel comfortable doing that, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, I love that.

Starting point is 01:36:41 And listen, fall in love with how you feel in the gym. Fall in love with your energy throughout the day. Those will be far better guides than everything else. Awesome, thank you. You got it, thanks for calling in. Thank you. I bet you guys did the same thing. Did you guys test body fat and weigh people

Starting point is 01:37:00 towards the back half of your career? If I did, I actually didn't let them know. Yeah, isn't that weird? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I would do it. We were taught to do it. Like, this is what you're supposed to do to track your clients. Then we all figured out it was better if we didn't.

Starting point is 01:37:11 I mean, you know me, I like all the metrics. I appreciate all that stuff to kind of factor it into my decision. But you kept it to yourself. Yeah, I kept it to myself. That's what I learned. I learned that letting them know was a bad idea, because then that would throw them off. It was more of a records thing for me. So I would yeah, I would take it all and then I would like

Starting point is 01:37:29 Periodically, I would kind of go back and test things. But yeah, I wouldn't show them or like really pay a lot of attention to that It was really just focused on the training and nutrition that they're doing and complete transparency This came really full circle or I really, really fully grasped us when I competed because never did I ever have to track to the level I had to. And boy, did I go through many times where I thought, what the fuck? I'm doing something wrong. And I had to trust the process. I had planned this all out.

Starting point is 01:37:58 I was tracking so diligently like, yeah, I knew the math, but man, and the mirror, you know, that's why I'm like, when I tell people like, you got to be careful because, you know, I, I remember seeing a high sodium day of inflammation day of these. And then you had to look in the mirror and I go, Oh, fuck, like something's wrong. I ate too much yesterday. And it's like, you have this, you want to the very next day, go cut the calories, get on the cardio or do something. And you do this drastic course correct.

Starting point is 01:38:26 And so you got to let the, you have to let the days kind of play out. And it's like, man, just be careful before you, you, you correct every single time. Cause a lot of times your body is, it's just holding a little bit of extra water due to multiple different factors. And you had no idea what you were doing. Perfect. Our next caller is Dwayne from Texas. Dwayne, what's up man?

Starting point is 01:38:44 What up, Dwayne? Yeah. Hey, how's it going? Howdy from Texas. Dwayne, what's up man? What up Dwayne? Yeah. Hey, how's it going? Howdy from East Texas y'all. What's going on? You got it dude. What's happening? Hey, first of all, I just want to say thank you for having me on and man, you guys have

Starting point is 01:38:57 really changed my life. Um, I haven't worked out like pretty much my whole adult life, right? High school was the last time I saw a weight room and started getting into just losing weight because I got really out of shape overweight and uh did it you know the wrong way like everybody does to start with um got on weight watchers lost 40 pounds and uh within a couple months of getting off Weight Watchers, gained half of it back. So decided that wasn't even close to sustainable. So started doing a lot of research

Starting point is 01:39:31 and started counting macros, tracking my calories and everything and then started getting into fitness. Decided, you know, I needed to get in shape and joined a couple online boot camps and didn't really necessarily enjoy those, but since it's been so long since I worked out, I really didn't know any exercises or how to work out. Luckily, very early into starting to lift,

Starting point is 01:39:54 I found you guys started listening to your podcast, digesting your podcast and bought some programs, started with y'all's programs, and it has totally transformed my life and not only my life but Seeing the progress I've made my wife has started strength training and now my 70 year old mom Is a month into strength training as well. So you guys engine, you know my life But you're changing a whole lot of lives your reach is a lot farther than just your listeners. So thank you Hell you love Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Love hearing that man.

Starting point is 01:40:25 Yeah. So how long now have you been since you found mine pump? Is this been months, years? Cause you would have fooled me by saying that you just got going on, on working out. Especially with that sick ass weight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:37 You're all in man. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. All in absolutely. When I get into something, I go all in. So yeah, I built a home gym and uh, that way I could never have an excuse not to work out. Um, but no, I've been, I've been following

Starting point is 01:40:51 my own programs for a little over eight months now and working out consistently for about a year and a half. Nice. Excellent. Beautiful. Good stuff, dude. Yeah, great. What you got for us? You have a question? Okay.

Starting point is 01:41:03 Um, I've always been interested in, you know, individual sports Not much of a team sports guy, but I've always loved individual sports. I think because of that I'm kind of drawn towards bodybuilding So I really want to on my 50th birthday, which is just a little over four years away Get on stage for men's physique. I hear you guys, you know, talk about if you chase health, you'll get aesthetics as well. If you chase aesthetics, you don't get either. So my question is, as a relatively new lifter, I want to follow mind pump programs. I want to chase health and do it in a healthy way to where in about four years, I can have a physique that I'm proud of

Starting point is 01:41:47 to present on stage in immense physique. I don't have to win, I just wanna be proud of my physique that I present. Dude, this is so crazy you're asking this because just two callers ago, we got a guy who, he's his goal by his 40th birthday, so he's coming up on his 40th birthday and wanted to do the exact same

Starting point is 01:42:05 thing. And I think our advice is going to sound the same. Yeah. To be clear, when it competing in a stage presentation sport like physique or bodybuilding or for women bikini or fitness or figure, there, there is, there's a healthier way to do it, but there isn't a healthy way to do it. I remember when Adam was competing, in fact, we started the show and he was still in competition competition, uh, mode, and he would tell everybody, all right, guys, I'm entering into the unhealthy portion of prep. Um, those they're not pro health. Now bodybuilding from a workout perspective, build muscle, muscle

Starting point is 01:42:41 perspective, consistency perspective can be very healthy. Competing in bodybuilding is not, okay? That being said, if you want to compete in something and hit a goal and look good doing it and doing the way where you're gonna, you know, you're gonna, your health will be great and all that stuff, powerlifting would be a much better place to compete in. Have you, have you thought about doing like a strength-based sport like powerlifting? Um, not really, no, but I think I would definitely be interested in, in something like that. Have you thought about doing like a strength based sport like powerlifting? Not really no, but I think I would definitely be interested in something like that. Like I said, I like individual competition. Yeah

Starting point is 01:43:20 And definitely, you know y'all's programs have definitely scared me in the right directions towards strength my all of my lifts have gone up dramatically I've done I started with map starter and did anabolic then performance. And now I'm doing maps aesthetic. I'm in the second week of maps aesthetic, just about done with week two. Yeah. Well, I want, I want to address a couple of things. One, you should be very proud of the physique that you walk around in already right now, dude at 40.

Starting point is 01:43:39 So in your mid 40s to look the way you look currently right now, you look, you look phenomenal. So I first want to address that. And then just like the other guy, um, I wouldn't tell you that we can't do bodybuilding, but I would tell you, let's, let's do the powerlifting first because it's going to set you up for bodybuilding anyways, because that strength is the foundation of all pursuits. And so if we focus on getting you strong as fuck, building your metabolism up,

Starting point is 01:44:07 and we really go in that direction, right? Competing in powerlifting. And then you're going to be, and I think you're going to be happy with the way your physique looks. You're going to be stronger than you've ever been, which is also going to result in probably a faster metabolism because we're not going to be dieting like a bodybuilder, which will only put you in a position to get ready for a bodybuilding show. So if you were a client of mine and you did want to ultimately do Minsfizik,

Starting point is 01:44:28 I would actually first go, let's do a powerlifting meet. Let's go that direction. We're going to build your metabolism. We're going to build some strength on the way your physique is going to continue to change and look great, but we're not focused on the cardio hard cutting calorie aspect that physique does tend to attract. And we're focused more on the metrics in the gym of your strength, your benches going up, your squad is going up.

Starting point is 01:44:50 We're feeding the body enough so you're not depleted. Like those things are so important to powerlifting and they're not important to bodybuilding. And where you're currently at in your stage, that's where I want you first. And then afterwards, if we do our first powerlifting meet and you check that box, if you're like, all right, Adam, let's go, let's go, let's go bodybuilding now. I would love to take on all the muscle that you can, man, keep that strength focus. It's, it's such a healthier pursuit that

Starting point is 01:45:13 then is going to reveal itself. Like, you know, the further down you go, I know this is like, what do you say, the eight months like recently of doing, you know, our programming, I think, like, there's so much more to explore. Oh, bro, it's just going to keep going. And at that point, too, you know, like, it's not out of the question to then step on stage. But, you know, you're going to establish a really good foundation to then you just make, you know, a little tweaks in your diet, and you can kind of get to the point where now you feel comfortable going in that position. Yeah, and there's no shortage of good, small, local powerlifting competitions in Texas.

Starting point is 01:45:51 Yeah, right. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Even strongman competitions. They're great, dude. I think you'll enjoy that. And it's a great competition and it's not going to take you away from health.

Starting point is 01:46:02 The only detriment to powerlifting is sometimes people will, they'll disregard joint pain or they'll not focus on mobility. So that's the only thing I'd say, keep in mind, if you start to notice, you know, cause your strength is going up so much and you're only doing, you're doing the same kind of movements and you start to get a little joint pain, you know,

Starting point is 01:46:18 you back out a little bit, do some mobility, maybe do map symmetry for a cycle, go back to powerlifting. But other than that, man, that's the way to go. We'll be there with you if you're open to this. If you're open to doing the powerlifting, I would love to do the same thing that we just did with the other guy two callers ago and give you maps powerlift, put you in the private forum with us, and as you're going through the process, keep us in a loop.

Starting point is 01:46:41 Let us know how it's going and what's going on, and we can help make adjustments to the diet or like you to Sal's point, if you start to notice achy joints or something going on, we'll help correct course and put you on some mobility stuff to fix that. But if you're open to it, I would love to see you do that first. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I've got maps to our list and I'm in the book. Oh, okay. All right. Well, shit, I'll give you a what, when it's time for bodybuilding, I'll hook you up with Max Esthetic. You have that already?

Starting point is 01:47:06 He's on it right now. Do you have, do you have Maps Prime Pro? I have Prime, Prime Pro. I have pretty much every program you all have. Except OPR and Hit and stuff, the more cardio. And you don't need. You got all that. Well, I guess we're just gonna have to help you out in the forum then.

Starting point is 01:47:27 Make sure when you get in there and you, and you start power lift, give us a heads up at the starting point. And I'd love to see, you know, I don't know, each phase updates on your, your big lifts. Yep. You know, I'd love to see how they're moving and, and what the, where the weight's at. And then, and then of course use that as a resource. If you have questions, nutritional or your things like that, but bro, you're doing really good, man.

Starting point is 01:47:47 You're doing really good. And, and I am, I am very proud of what I've accomplished so far. It should be. 200 pounds and totally out of shape and, you know, 203 pounds now and whole lot of muscle. I went eating 2200 calories trying to lose weight. So now I eat 3200 calories and I've got to start adding more because I'm starting to lose weight at 3,200. Oh, you're on fire.

Starting point is 01:48:09 Fuck yeah, bro. You're on fire. And this is perfect for powerlifts right now. Reverse diet and do powerlifts. Yeah, you got it, dude. Yeah, I love that. Awesome. Yeah, I really appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:48:19 You got it, Dwayne. All right, Dwayne, we'll see you inside the forum, man. Thank you. This is a loop. I know we don't normally do this, but I want his before and after in there because the one I saw, I like it, we heard from him so people can hear from him and see what the process was. 2,200 calories to 3,200 calories before and after. Unbelievable. I mean, that, I mean, not unbelievable. We've seen that, but he was consistent. He did it right. And I think

Starting point is 01:48:43 powerlifting competition is the right direction. A bodybuilding show would, would, would probably present and cause potential damage. Yeah. Bro, you know how sick that he's 45 years old, dude. Okay. He's every bit are older than each of us in here right now, except for Doug. And he's literally looking the, probably the best he's ever looked in his life. Looks incredible, dude.

Starting point is 01:49:01 And what a cool story where he's met a ball clear right now. Keep it up, Dwayne. Keep it up. Look, if you love the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our fitness guides. We have free fitness guides that can help you with your fitness or health goals.

Starting point is 01:49:14 You can also find all of us on social media, Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, and MAPS Aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:49:40 Nine months of phased, expert, exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos, the RGB Super Bundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainer but at a fraction of the price. The RGB Super Bundle has a full 30-day money-back guarantee, and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mindpumpmedia.com. If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on iTunes, and by introducing Mind Pump to your friends and family.

Starting point is 01:50:21 We thank you for your support, and until next time, this is Mind Pump.

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2264: How to Eat More & Lose Fat, When to Raise Calories When Reverse Dieting, Ways to Transition Away from Working with a Fitness or Diet Coach & More (Listener Live Coaching)

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.