Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2268: The Truth About TRT & Being “Natural,” Full Body Vs Body Part Split Workouts, Current Mind Pump Host Workouts & More

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:02:36 Great advice. You know what? Why not? You know why? You know why I said that? I'll read to you. There was a tweet that is going viral. And it's about protein intake. Okay, so first off. You know why I said that? I'll read to you, there was a tweet that is going viral.
Starting point is 00:02:48 And it's about protein intake. Okay, so first off. Oh, I think I saw this. Did you see this? Okay, so Vox is the person, that's the people that did the tweet, but they're using the government guidelines. And this is what it says right here, ready? Americans are obsessed with protein.
Starting point is 00:03:01 They, about two times as much of it as the federal government advises in 60% of adults are trying to get even more of it into the diets. Ready for this? Excessive protein consumption could be making a sick. That's how you know, you can lie by saying, could it's also wrecking the planet. Uh-oh. Oh, wrecking it.
Starting point is 00:03:20 You know what the protein recommendations are on here? Well, 50 grams. We'll go back to the very first sentence. You read that first sentence again, I think it's just ironic. Americans are obsessed with protein. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, do with that. It's like, uh, you know, scientists were saying something about how baseball players should practice their swing. It's like fucking nothing to do with what they do. The government should have no safe farmers in America.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Think you should throw underhand and basketball. Yes, exactly. That's what it means. So you want now here's the hope. Here's the hope. Okay. I'm reading underneath the comments. These are the comments underneath it.
Starting point is 00:04:06 The first one says you guys are a bunch of soy boys. That got a lot of life. Then there's like, this is a blatant lie. You should be ashamed. Um, and then people here, there's a doctor that gets on here. I'm a doctor. This is terrible advice. Another person, terrible advice, misinformation. 50 grams is not enough protein for an adult. Um, according to the federal government, we should be eating in a ridiculous amount of grains. So I'll disregard what they say. And it's like, you just keep going down and people are like, no, no, no, no, no. I lost weight when I finally bumped my protein. This other guy says, I'm a doctor who's worked with many patients of Indian descent. We don't eat enough protein, delete this.
Starting point is 00:04:43 This is, so that gives me help. Yeah. That gives me help that people are saying that people are waking up, but 50 grams of protein. I mean, that, that's so, um, that's so ridiculous because it's the complete opposite of what we've said on the show since the beginning. It's just like, I've never met a client one that eats enough protein. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:00 So it's like, this is the complete opposite statement. Protein is satiating. So one of the biggest challenges with, uh, over eating is that you don't feel satiated, right? It's an essential macronutrient. It's essential. It's also satiating. Also on a gram per gram basis, it results in more muscle gain and more fat loss. In other words, two diets that are identical in calories, but one that's high protein, a lot more than 50 grams.
Starting point is 00:05:26 And another one that's what the RDA would say or whatever would result in the high protein will result in fat loss and muscle gain. It's also connected with longevity. By the way, here's another part that's awesome. The community notes, you know, how X has like their fact checkers or whatever. The community notes on this were just, were amazing. They said basically on there that the older Americans will experience sarcopenia. If they don't eat more protein, then another note was eating far more than this.
Starting point is 00:05:54 And they put in parentheses close to one gram of protein per pound of lean body mass resulted in more muscle gain and fat loss. So one of the easiest ways for me to help somebody break through a plateau. Okay. And we talk about, you guys hear us on the show all the time, talk about how, um, you know, when you had somebody who was trying to lose weight, how we would tell them to add things into their diet instead of saying restrict, like the psychology, that one of the fastest things or fastest ways that I can show somebody like
Starting point is 00:06:21 immediate results almost always is by bumping their protein when I, after I assess their diet, after I have somebody actually track and look at what they're doing. Like I have someone, like I shared the story the other day about my, my mom's husband. Um, and this happens all the time where I'm talking to somebody and they're like, Adam, I've been working out four or five days a week and I've been doing this and I eat good. And then I go, okay, well then walk me through your day yesterday. Oh, I had, you know, two eggs for breakfast and then I have, you know, a lean, you know, turkey sandwich and then I have, you know, a big chicken breast dinner and it's like, okay,
Starting point is 00:06:54 cool. You had about 65 grams of protein. You're about 50 under what you need every day. Add a protein shake a day. Don't do anything else. Just, just take that one piece of ice and boop right through a plateau right there. The key then lockslocks it. Yeah. By the way, I want to say I want to add to that because someone's going to take that wrong. It's not, it's adding a protein shake, it's the extra protein. The whole natural foods would be ideal. Right. That'd be the ideal way to do it. Of course. Of course. Yeah, no, it's terrible advice to cut your protein. And now, this is what really frustrates the hell out of me. There's this propaganda machine
Starting point is 00:07:27 that's coming out with nutrition. And nutrition's always been riddled with propaganda and lies and stuff like that. But they're tying it to morality. They've now connected it to, if you eat these foods, you are a bad person and you're killing everybody because you're killing the earth.
Starting point is 00:07:43 No, this is such a terrible lie because the worst possible thing we could do for the planet and for humanity is to have a bunch of sick, depressed, anxious, overweight people. We want healthy people who have good moods, who don't feel anxious, who have good mobility, who aren't reliant on all these medications, who are productive. That's what we want. That's how the world gets better, Not with a bunch of sick people. And if you take everybody and you just have a meat, 50, you know what's going to happen? If everybody right now in America cut their protein down so they ate no more than 50 grams, first off, they'd make up for it with
Starting point is 00:08:17 way more calories from other foods. They would lose muscle, most likely, and they would get worse. They would get sicker and fatter. They'd lose muscle and they get fatter. Yeah. It just seems like it directly parallels what we saw, the progression of politics with whichever candidate they're presenting as being either you're voting for Satan or you're voting for, you know, the savior. And it's like, it made its way into our nutrition and meat consumption as being this like, you know, you're a murderer and like you're this or that, even though, uh,
Starting point is 00:08:50 this has been happening since the beginning of time because it's, it's obviously bio available. It's something that's, you know, gives a sustenance. Um, and to, to, you know, just label it like that is, is doing more harm than good. Well, I've always liked the, the example of like the, the alone show that we talk about, you know, it's like, that is an example of like what your body. I've found some berries.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah. And there's always, and there, every season, every season that they do, there's always somebody who can't catch, can't catch fish or can't get game. Not because they're choosing to eat that way, because they desperately would love to get. There's nobody I've ever seen on there that's a vegan. The vegan would be an automatic way. A vegan knows better to even try and play on that show, right? But even the people that are desperately trying to eat meat that are that are like, you know, living off the berries and twigs and so with that, it's only a matter of time
Starting point is 00:09:41 before they're deathly sick and they have to get kicked off the island or off the show. Yeah, I've said this before. So people are like, okay, why are the propaganda? What is it? Why would they propagandize nutrition in this way? Follow the money always. Yeah, there's a couple of reasons.
Starting point is 00:09:57 One is politically expedient. So you can start to demonize a certain side and identify it as these types of people eat meat, these people don't, whatever. It also reinforces the, you know, how climate change and the environment has become so heavily politicized. So it helps reinforce that. Now they've attached diet to it, but really here's where the money is. Heavily processed foods are largely not made from meat.
Starting point is 00:10:21 And if they are, they're still patented. Remember process foods can be patented and protected. You can profit a lot off of profit, off of a heavily processed foods. Right. Somebody can't go make a laze chip and turn around and sell it. They've already got all the, all right, right, right. So that's why potatoes, growing potatoes, small margins, making a special potato chips, you know, much better margins. So they want people to not eat foods that are not patented. And if at some point I can imagine they're going to probably GMO cow and figure
Starting point is 00:10:51 out, wait, you know, out of way to do that as well. And they'll say something like this cow is, you know, farts less or something. So it's better for the environment. But that, but I mean, really it's fall, it's fall of the money. And you look at where all this land is being purchased and how they're trying to manipulate the market and it's, it's all the money. And you look at where all this land is being purchased and how they're trying to manipulate the market and it's not good. And then the whole like,
Starting point is 00:11:09 it's bad for the climate situation. I just saw an article that said that growing your own food contributes to carbon emissions and something like that should be discouraged. People growing food in their gardens, they're gonna demonize. It's like they can, it's a disempowering message.
Starting point is 00:11:28 The goal is to disempower people. So this is just crazy to me that they said that. So I went on there, I had to repost it and it got so many views and, and comments cause people are like, this is wrong. That's not what I've experienced whatsoever. Yeah. I feel so much better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Getting more protein. I have, this is a little bit off subject, but I just think talking about this stuff is like as far as health and longevity, it's got me thinking in that, in that, that vein. I was, uh, with that group, I told you this last weekend, and one of the guys is like a longevity person and stuff like that, that he's got a company that's built around longevity. And he has, you could tell he has this like fear of dying and like he's just wants to, he wants to live forever.
Starting point is 00:12:03 You know, like why can't, why can't we figure, you know, like why can't we figure that out? Like why can't we figure that out? Do you think that's going to be the answer of what solves the depopulation, right? The fact that we are losing, we're, if we were to head down this path, right, like and keep going the way we're going, like we talk about how many people are going to be falling off. But maybe the thing that saves us is as in the next 20 to 30 years, we find a way to extend life by 10 to 20% on the average American. Does that solve that problem you think? No, because here's the problem with depopulation. You need productive working people to support the people who are older and let's say retired. People care. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:46 So, okay, everybody's living longer. Are they going to agree to work longer? Are they going to, are they going to allow us to get rid of the retirement age? Oh, I think so. I think that's part of it. Obviously, okay, if we extend. You think the average, you think right now, if a politician came out and said, hey, we want to take Social Security retirement age, which is what 62 and a half.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Is that what it is, Doug? I believe so. Okay. We want to raise that to 72 and a half. They will not get a lot. No, no, no, no, I don't think I see Nikki Haley say something similar to that. No. Oh, recently.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Yeah. She was getting some pushback because yeah, it was like, it's going to reflect our, our new like extension basically of life. I mean, it's okay. So you're just conflated to things that you're talking about politics now. That's the problem with depopulation. I mean, no, I mean, nobody is going to, nobody who gets, they gets a free ride or gets anything as a handout or security is going to be like, yeah, I want less
Starting point is 00:13:42 security or yeah, I want to work even harder for that. Of course not. That's not going to work, but it doesn't matter. We're moving in that direction anyways. We're moving to a place where you're going to need a 40 year mortgage or a 50 year mortgage to be able to afford it. We're moving to a place now where you're going to have to save more, work more to be able to afford the same things that you did just two decades ago.
Starting point is 00:14:02 So it's moving in that direction, regardless of what social security does or doesn't do. I don't think that matters. It's not like that. It doesn't matter. The question is, is it going to solve the problem? Yeah. The problem of depopulation is not that there's less people.
Starting point is 00:14:15 It's that there's not enough people. Able people. Yes. Okay. So that's, I don't, I see, I disagree with that. I think that when we, the things that we're learning, like with the stem cells and stuff like that, and I'm having Dr. Conn on here, like that, that isn't going to just extend life.
Starting point is 00:14:30 That's going to make people that in their 60s and 70s feel like they're in their 30s and their 40s. That's the idea of all that stuff of doing stem cells and giving you all this. So it's going to, so when you, when people are feel old and decrepit in right now at, on average, and they don't feel like they can work anymore, they're going to feel like they still can and are able. So yeah, I think that solves that. Yeah, but who's going to pay for the stuff that's going to make them live longer? Who's going to pay for this type of like these treatments and stuff? That's so my point is it's not going to solve the problem that's presented by depopulation, which is the cost of support, the cost of care, the cost of whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:05 And also, like, I, like I know a lot of healthy able-bodied 62 year olds, you ask them, hey, can we, we're going to extend Social Security or the age so you don't get your retirement benefits. No, I don't want to do that. It's just, so that's the problem. The problem is we need more people who are productive to support the people who are dying. Otherwise, so here's, here's the deal. All government systems, as we know, will collapse. That's the problem. The problem isn't that there's less people. The problem is
Starting point is 00:15:33 society as it's organized isn't going to work. So we have to figure out an alternate way to set it up or have more kids. People are going to have to have more kids. The problem is too, the more educated we get, the more money we make, the less kids we have. That's always the case. Which opens up the whole like, well, maybe this is why, you know, they want so many people coming in to make up the difference. That's not why they want so much people coming.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Well, that's one argument. The other argument is they're getting voters is what that is. Sure, sure. That's one argument, right? But yeah, so that's the big thing. And it's good that you're bringing this up because a lot of people think that the problem is there's too many people, but that's not what's going to be the issue. And the next, you know, four or five, five,
Starting point is 00:16:17 population is a major issue and there's plenty of people that are speaking out on it. And that's because it's ridiculous to think that we thought the other way. Anybody thought the other way at one point. Did you know? But I do think the thing that's going to bridge that gap for us though is longevity. Is that we, in our life, look at what we're seeing right now. We're just, I mean, with the, even in our, within our own circle of people like the Dr. Collins.
Starting point is 00:16:40 People are going to live longer. It's true, but they have to change, like the model has to change because people living longer is actually adding to the problem. I mean, they want people to die. It always does though, Sal. Right. I mean, that's all part of, that's how we've evolved as a society. Like it's never the same. Like everything evolves and changes and we, we will adapt.
Starting point is 00:16:57 You don't think we'll adapt? No, I do. I just don't think that by itself will solve the problem. I think there's going to be some, some, some interesting. Okay. So the, if we adapt, like I think there's going to be some, some, some interesting. Well, if, okay. So the, if we adapt, like I think we will change the way we do things as a system and as a society, if we have, if we increase everybody's age by 10 to 20% and when I say increase age, also productivity and, and how healthy they feel 10 to 20% more, that would,
Starting point is 00:17:23 I think that would be a boom. I think if people didn't even live longer, if they just lived better, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that would make a difference. Don't you feel like we're on the verge of that? It's all getting worse. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I mean, yeah, it's, I guess, go to the bottom to get out. Okay, that's fair. So, so what I think we're seeing, it's funny, I feel like we're seeing the same discrepancy in, you know, economics as we are in health. Right? So there's like,
Starting point is 00:17:47 It's a wider gap. Yeah. As there's getting, we have richer people now and poorer people now. And the same thing goes for, we were getting healthier type people while we're also getting sicker people. So I think there's this gap that's happening, but there is going to be a percentage of that. I'd like to see that data. That'd be interesting to see because we're not, we don't have poorer people.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Everybody's richer. The difference between someone who's- Is the gap. Yes. But everybody's moving on. That's what I mean by that. It's not, so you're right. We're not getting, you know, there's not-
Starting point is 00:18:15 Now, medical care is getting more advanced, but people are getting sicker and life expectancy is shortening, even though we're better at solving- Yeah, but part of that is I believe that is, I believe the, the medical system is, is designed to keep you in. I also think you sick. Yeah. And I also think that we're just not moving or indoors. We're not sleeping well.
Starting point is 00:18:36 We're not exercising, you know, the whole deal and our diets are totally. Well, I think that's the gap is people that are still trusting the old guard, you know, the old medical system versus people that like were basically like skeptical now because of how everything kind of transpired is like, I need to do my own research, I need to advocate for myself. And there's a big movement happening with that right now, which I think is, is definitely a swing in the other direction. One of the best things, I'm not so obviously I'm like, you know, stay out
Starting point is 00:19:04 of it government will figure this out. But there's one thing I think that government can do, and that's mainly because this is what they, this is nobody else really does this. If they redesigned cities, because they're the ones that organize cities for the most part, if they redesign cities to make them like cities were designed. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Because if you look at obesity and you look at health and you compare Like older cities where people have to walk a lot where buying a car is just doesn't work like they're doing it They did buy one. Yeah. Yeah like that. Yeah, I don't know about that. That's kind of that's really that's dream That's the one that's like really indoors. Yeah, the idea is that you you don't need a car to get from once like that Everything's like a speed rail thing and walk here. And like if you live in like San Francisco, like I have family, besides all the problems, but I have family that lives there and like, they get rid of their cars. Like it's worthless to having a car.
Starting point is 00:19:53 I can't park it anywhere. It costs too expensive to park it. So I just walk and then the hills and stuff. And you just, you just move it goes through the roof. Do you think we, do you think San Jose ends up being like that at one point? Do you think we grow to that point? So spread out.
Starting point is 00:20:04 How would that work? Cause it's like houses and then that point? So spread out. How would that work? Cause it's like houses and then like businesses way over here. Like how would that work? They have to be a restructure. Yeah. I mean, buildings and like how to kind of maneuver. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Totally. You know, you're talking about the longevity stuff like that. Did you see, uh, you know, and speaking of Dr. Con, you see he's got a longevity, um, uh, conference. Yeah. Conference that's coming up. Lock longevity. It's called. It's in, uh, Texas. Is that where it's at longevity conference. Yeah. Conference that's coming up. Unlock longevity. It's called.
Starting point is 00:20:26 It's in Texas. Is that where it's at? Austin. Yeah. Austin, Texas. What are the dates on a Doug? February 24th. Oh, it's like around the corner.
Starting point is 00:20:33 It's like all our friends are speaking. It's really, yeah. So I saw it in Greenfield, Tom Billu. Tom's on there. I'm really, does it say what Tom is talking about? Yeah. His topic is the ultimate adaptation machines. So humans.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Oh, no, AI stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, as I say, he's not going to be one that's going to be talking about health longevity. That's interesting. So he's going to go on like the AI direction.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I see. Ben will talk that way. Dr. Connell talked that. Who else is there? Dave Asprey is there. Asprey is there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Dr. Connell's buddy. Huh? Now it's the chest. Did you say, Do you have a chance to text him? No, I don't get my number. Okay, make sure you tell Katrina. Make sure you can, you can text him. Asprey is there. Yeah. Now sales buddy. Huh? Now it's the best buddy. Do you know I don't get. I don't get.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Okay. Make sure you talk Katrina. Make sure you can, you can text him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll be great. That'll be interesting. I can't wait to see what they talk about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:13 No, no, no, no, that'll be cool. And what that looks like as of right now, nothing comes close when it comes to longevity to proper activity, good diet, good sleep and good relations. I don't think I don't, I don't know. I don't know how they're going to solve. You relations. I don't think, I don't know. I don't know how they're going to solve. I don't think that'll ever change, right? I don't think we're ever going to hack into something that makes you get like,
Starting point is 00:21:33 like that same. Like embedded in our DNA, I mean, our body benefits from those things. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I guess too, that's, I think that's, you know, I believe in a higher power and I believe that he created us a certain way and these are, these are like, try to deviate from it. Exactly. I maybe, maybe we can find ways to help her, assist her short hacks, but it ain't the answer.
Starting point is 00:21:53 I watched this funny episode of Rick and Morty. You made me think about it. Rick and Morty's is like so total stone or cartoon. It's hilarious. Yeah. But there's an episode where they could, they can, they can make their subconscious. They could sleep at night, but then like a, their subconscious would wake up and do stuff for them at night.
Starting point is 00:22:09 So they could wake up and they know how to play the piano or whatever. So Morty, he wants to get jacked. So he goes to sleep and then his subconscious works out. So he wakes up, he's at six. I think that would be the only way. Like if somebody could like work out, it'll be unconscious. You know what I mean? Like they take an app and it's, you know, I mean, that would be their consistent. That would be hilarious only way. Like if somebody could like work out, it'll be unconscious. You know what I mean? Like they take an app and it's, you know, I mean, that would be consistent.
Starting point is 00:22:27 That would be hilarious to do that. I mean, imagine if you could just program yourself to do that. Oh, you know, speaking of that, you have me thinking about. So again, I was talking to this guy who's, he's obviously hardcore in the long journey thing and all the other things. Do you know that you can, you can clone your dog for $20,000? Yeah. It's legal.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Yeah. Was it's legal. Yeah. Was it Japan that it started or the, uh, remember, they do, they do it in the States. It's in the States now in the States. You see, it's illegal to do that. That be, how would you feel about that? Bro. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:55 So I want it. You lost your dog. I, yes. I hope somebody on here on air has done it so they can talk to me because I'm really curious because, but would you feel weird because well, I am but it doesn't matter If like okay, obviously anybody who's had a dog that there are pet that they were really attached to when you lose them It's it's like yeah, it's terrible, right? And if I could have another bulldog that literally looks just like one and it has the personality of mine to where it's
Starting point is 00:23:22 Yeah, I mean did does it play out like that with their personality? So that's what I want to know. I mean, if it's cloning their DNA, you would think that it would or pretty damn close. So that's the part I want to talk. I want to talk to somebody and be like, listen, you got your dog cloned for this 20 grand. Does it feel like it's the same exact, not just the way it looks. That's not impressive to me. Like, okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:23:42 I can go find a dog that's in the same gene pool that like, it's going to have the same genetic propensity for personality, but the experiences will be different. Sure. Sure. There might be some things that are changed a little bit, but boy, if it does it come off, well, that make you feel weird just to like raise it up and be like, well, you're not, you're not, you're not my dog died, but you're.
Starting point is 00:24:00 So because it's my dog, I think that it would be less. My son, I couldn't do that with that would be weird. And that would bother me knowing that it didn't like come for me like that. But because it's a pet that you purchase, you think people are going to do that with people that one? Of course, you lose a family member and those just clone it so you could raise it again. Oh, that'll be weird, dude.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Of course that's coming. It'll make you feel weird. Yeah, that's just unnatural. And but you know, it's coming though, don't you? You have to know that's coming. And the first step is this. That's why I want to talk to somebody who's experienced it. Imagine if you were the clone.
Starting point is 00:24:31 You know, you grow up and they're like, we cloned you off of, you know. What movie is that? George died. He died in a car accident, but we missed him. So we brought him back and it's you. You know, you're the same genetic, but you're different, right? And I'd be like, fuck.
Starting point is 00:24:41 So I mean, when you guys, and I know you're in all these shows. Yeah, okay. So we'll go down here, Rabbi Wolfram. I'm just, fuck. So I mean, when you guys, and I know you're into all these shows. Yeah. Okay. So, so we'll go down to your rabbit hole for this. I'm just gonna stay over here and wait till you guys finish. No, no, no, I'm gonna, because I know you, this is the stuff that you watch. Like the show upload, the show upload, right? I love that show. So do you think we're more likely going to go that route or the, like the cloning route, right?
Starting point is 00:24:59 So the difference is this, Sal, if you're not aware of where I'm going with this, is that upload is like, you basically upload your consciousness into another meat battle, right? Let's just talk about, I guess, what I've read and whatever, like in terms of like where we've got so far with technology. And so like, because the big push too is to figure out consciousness and like how to kind of place your consciousness somewhere else, and be able to upload it or, you it or have that sort of within a digital space or whatever. But so apparently, there was some experiment where, and I know you've probably seen this where across, I think it was in Europe, somebody from the States was controlling and manipulating
Starting point is 00:25:42 like a robot's hand and was able to consciously tap into that neurologically. Oh, right. And so they've actually progressed that to the point of like, you could control, basically kind of jack in almost like it was your avatar to a robot and was actually able to move it and manipulate around. And so they're like really close to kind of figuring out how to then transmit your consciousness into, uh, let's say it's a clone or let's say it's like it's a body, a vessel. There's a, there's a philosophical problem here that can't, there's, it's impossible to
Starting point is 00:26:18 answer, which is if we could perfectly upload your consciousness to another clone or robot, would it actually be you? Or would you just think it would, would it would just think it was you? upload your consciousness to another clone or robot. Would it actually be you? Or would you just think it was you? In other words, if you woke up and you're a robot, you're like, no, it is me, but is it really, is it really you? You see what I'm saying? There's no way to determine that.
Starting point is 00:26:37 That'd be terrifying. Yeah, no. I mean, the spiritual godly side of me goes like, that's what we're meddling. We're also, that's what we're meddling. We, well, and we're also, we're, that's what we are is we're software, right? Our consciousness and our soul is, is the software. Our body is the hardware.
Starting point is 00:26:52 And so absolutely, if you took my software out and you put it in some of, Yeah, that's me. Like is it, is it you or is it a copy is my point? Yeah. Cause it would think it was you. Do you guys ever watch that black mirror episode where there was an AI assistant that you could get? That was you. It was, it was a clone of your consciousness, but it was, so it was you, but it was trapped in the phone and say, Hey, let me out. And you're like, no,
Starting point is 00:27:13 no, you're my assistant now. You know me better than anybody. So you're going to work for me. I don't want to work for you. And then they, they'd hit pause and it would, and the clone in the phone, the AI clone who thought it was that person, trapped in the phone, experienced six months of silence thought it was that person trapped in the phone, experienced six months of silence, six months stuck in a room as a punishment, and then came out, I'll do whatever you want, or whatever.
Starting point is 00:27:31 And you watch it and you're just like, oh, that's so weird, it's such a twisted, weird. It sounds like nonsense, you know, it sounds like, why are you guys even talking about this stuff? And meanwhile, like, technology's moving so quickly, like it's going to be on our doorstep. We're going to have to reconcile this.
Starting point is 00:27:47 We can't catch up morally or ethically to what's happening. No, I guess that's really where my, uh, it's my, it's my like stress and my like anxiety is really just like the, the moral and the ethical side that just has been, bro, 100% wait, we are barely right now, figuring out the moral and the ethical side that just has been doesn't grow 100% wait we are barely right now figuring out the moral and ethical repercussions of allowing iPads to raise our children that we're like that took and that took a two decades basically of that intuition with most people are like this is probably not beneficial but you don't have that kind of concrete evidence to point to. It's like, but that's why you got to really listen
Starting point is 00:28:29 to yourself a lot of times. Listen, we are dealing with moral and ethical repercussions of all kinds of things that technology has created that humans have never experienced, like pornography, dating sites, like having access to, like, you know what, like dating sites and apps on its surface. If you don't think about it from a moral standpoint, right? Or, or philosophical standpoint, like, well, this is great.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Have more options. I can meet more people. This was supposed to be this incredible way for people to connect. Instead, what's happened is 1% of the men on there literally get all the attention from 97% of the women and all, and the rest of the men on there literally get all the attention from 97% of the women and all and the rest of the men are completely invisible. And it's literally created this very strange dynamic. That's the data.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Was it you who said you had somebody that you wanted to bring on that was like a porn hub? Yeah, some pornography expert on the on the on the meta porn hub. Yeah, meta porn hub expert. Like it. I was so I was on there last night with Katrina and her and I were tripping out that this, yeah, on porn hub. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Yeah. That's what you were saying. And I, you know, I literally on there. Yeah. Like, well, no, watching it. Right. So, and admittedly I've talked about how I, I was never like a big porn watcher. Like, yeah, I have the videos, this, not here and there, and occasionally the dip in, but it's never been like a struggle for me.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Sure. Right. So her and I have been, happened to be on there and it hadn't been in a long time since the last time or whatever with that. And one of the things we were going through, like all the stars, right? So there's this category where we can go in there. And she's like, is that, what I think, is that B stand for? I think I said, I said, yeah, that's like, is that what I think, is that Beast? I think I said, yeah, that is like, they get billions of views per video. Billions.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Billions and on lots of them and most of them. Like, and that really brought into perspective to me because when you get- What other videos on YouTube or anything even scratch that surface? If you get in the hundreds of millions in you are the most viral thing that have ever Mr. Beast. Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:29 On YouTube and YouTube is massively and accepted by everybody. So what does that tell you? Damage is the damage that pornography is causing is one of the most un, you know, undiscussed, um, just dangers that's happening. It is completely warping and twisting people's minds and it has, it does get the brain to adapt in the way that drugs do. And they're showing this and it molds the brain
Starting point is 00:30:55 in the way that drugs do. And it's changing how people are relating to each other and connecting. Not listen, in all of human history, never did any single person have that much access to that much novelty of stimulus. Oh, you could be a king You could be a the king of the the the emperor of Rome 2,000 years ago You would did not have even close to the access of novelty that a 15 year old kid Yeah, on their iPhone has yeah, that's that is causing some serious problems and nobody's talking about it
Starting point is 00:31:26 And that's the nobody's talking about it and how crazy it is was the thing that I think that really triggered that for me Do you know what? Holy shit, you know, it's why I'll use my research on trying to find I don't really think tell me if you can find a video With a B next to it. I don't think that even exists And I'm telling you guys like I was like go lots like, lots of them, lots of them, like lots of them on billions of views. Yeah, that's, that's why chew on that for a second. That's, and then when you think of like a platform like YouTube, that is as popular and as massive to think that it's like,
Starting point is 00:31:56 and that's one platform. Do you know that the, the, the, because I was trying to find, trying to find an expert to come on, right? Do you know that that what they're, so there's people that are, that are studying this now, cause now it's been around long enough. Internet porn has been around long enough where they can see data. It's trending everybody towards more extreme and more novel type, uh, uh, visual imagery.
Starting point is 00:32:19 So whereas porn used to be a look of particular way, it's getting more and more crazy and violent and extreme and extreme and what they would call unnatural. Baby shark, 10 billion views. Oh, baby shark. He's got the record. Is that the record, Andrew? Basically all the kids, Coco Melon, Baby Shark, they're all like six billion. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Now, whoa. Okay, wait, wait. The pro that's okay. So, trip on that for a second. The two things in our society that are getting the most is these is pornography and probably mostly young adults of that. And then this shit right here, Cocoa melon type shit for children.
Starting point is 00:32:56 So it's like there's no, there's no rules or boundaries and you're just handing them this tool and letting them just letting them go. Yeah. That's crazy. I'd never, so that's really wild to think about it like that is that you've got this, which is obviously appealing to under five year old, five year olds, which is getting the most views on YouTube than anything else.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And then you have pornography that's in the billions of views. That's crazy. That's wild. That is, that is crazy. I can't wait to have someone come on, like I said, and talk about. Yeah. Can you, since you're in this, when you're looking around, I'm just curious,
Starting point is 00:33:29 because we're talking about this, like what the total amount of monthly views of pornography is. Like of all pornography? Yes. Oh, yeah. I don't even think they can. Oh, I mean, they get an idea. Per day. Yeah. Or that. Or yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Give me, give me the amount of views that how, how much pornography content is viewed per day or per month, just, uh, just to put it in a perspective of how many humans are on the earth and this and that, or, or. You know, it's wild is that, uh, how, how willingly people are to deny the potential dangers of something simply because it's so popular and they like it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like exploded. That's our whole career, like talking to people about food and stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:07 I know. You know what I'm saying? Like that's like, yeah. I mean, so much that there's even in the fitness space a counter movement to like, don't demonize food. It's like, stop it dude. This is not ideal for them. Like this package wrapper bullshit that's all.
Starting point is 00:34:22 It's all moral. And I'm not saying that you can't never have or indulge in something like that Every once in a while, but it's like let's stop fooling ourselves to thinking that it's totally innocuous That's morally relevant or the yeah, so the top three porn sites have 5.81 billion site views of visits every month Wow, I can only assume they're watching more than one video. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Five point five point five point six per day on all three of them. So 15 something billion views. Yeah. Total. That's combined. Five point eight one billion for all of them combined for the top three. Oh, okay. Back in the day.
Starting point is 00:35:01 That's how many that site visits though. Site. Oh, that's people going to the site. That's people going visits though site. Oh, that's people going to the That's people going to this. Oh, they could watch five. Oh, yeah How many billions of people on earth seven eight around eight You you are basically capturing everybody a month everybody that's why that's scary basically capturing everybody a month. Everybody. That's why that's scary.
Starting point is 00:35:24 That is why that's a monster. Yeah. You know, and so I hope you get somebody to come on because I do want to talk to them now. Just, I'm just so curious to like what that like has grown over the last, like what does that trajectory look like in the last decade or two? Oh, it has to have been on like a crazy growth trajectory. Listen, I'm a grown, I'm a grown man.
Starting point is 00:35:45 I did not grow up with this, uh, like kids do these days. I, I couldn't imagine being a 15 year old kid with full, just unadulterated access to my, to the internet and having that accessible today. Could you imagine what I don't know if I don't think I, even with my, um, you know, the way I was raised, values and stuff like that, I don't, I don't think I would have resisted it. I think I would have indulged. I would have for sure as a teenage boy who doesn't, because you're not thinking. And then how did you think it would have shaped your brain? Remember the brain is shaped that way. They talk about imprinting and stuff like that. Like that's, that's, that's wild man.
Starting point is 00:36:26 That's crazy. When you think about it, scary. Yeah. Speaking of, uh, speaking of which I had my vasectomy to, great transition. Cause you should still work. I never even,
Starting point is 00:36:36 I didn't even go that direction. I'm in my climax. No, I went, it was, it was not, it was not the vasectomy. It was the like consult. So they, they do a consult with you to check if you're to see if you're serious about it and they do a quick check or whatever. And then apparently in California, I don't know this, that consult lasts for six months. Checking under the hood.
Starting point is 00:36:56 But yeah, that lasts for six months. You have to get your vasectomy within six months. Otherwise you have to do another console. Yeah. I think it's to prevent. Like people changing their mind or suing them or something. Yeah, they want to know you're really making concern a little bit of this. Well, I have four kids.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I think people change their mind because then they say, people change their mind. Yeah, I want to have kids. Yeah, that's that would be my challenge. So, but, but I so uncomfortable. I swear I'm in there. Dr. Watson, he's got an intern with him. So there's two guys in there.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Two guys. Yeah. So I got doctor and intern. Pizza guy. Yeah. And he's like, all right, I'm going to check you. Just pull down your pants. I'm like, uh, okay.
Starting point is 00:37:33 He's like, holy shit. They're both looking. You got to get in here. Yeah. Hey, Steve, come here. Steve. We got to go interns. Take a look at this.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Oh, by the way, we're going to find glass with you when you come here. We got to go intern. Take a look at this. Oh, by the way, we're going to clap. Bring a magnifying glass with you when you come over. Oh, come on. Come on. We got a class visiting right now. I was learning about this. You guys want to come in? Everybody want to come in real quick?
Starting point is 00:38:01 There's two of them. It's always uncomfortable, you know, because you're sitting there as a dude like manipulating you. It's like, don't make eye contact. You know, the whole time. What is it? Oh, you probably have read something study wise. So what is it about men that we just resist doctor's office so much? What is that?
Starting point is 00:38:19 Because that's not women are like, you had a control. They have to like, pump, push us into the office. It's the same reason why we like to remote control. Maybe we don't like, you had to control. Yeah, they have to like, like, push us into the doctor's office. It's the same reason why we're like, they're no control. Maybe we don't like to not be in control. Is that come on? Cause there's, there's women that like lots of control and they're like,
Starting point is 00:38:32 I don't, I don't feel like it's that. It's got to be something else. It's cause I think it's because if you have a real like tight group of friends that just roast you all the time, you know, for anything, these snivelly little whiny little bitchy, complaining is about being tough. Is that what I seriously think is simply about being vulnerable. You don't want to sit there and be vulnerable and have somebody partially whatever, but you don't want to admit that.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Well, those are kind of, they're both probably right. Cause it's kind of the same thing. And I agree with both. Like, like, I want, it's like a toughness. Here they fear an embarrassing diagnosis. And sometimes because of the stigma, many men believe they should be strong enough to handle things on their own. Oh, so it's, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:06 So he's a combination. We avoid our feelings. We avoid any of those. Just rub some cream on it. Yeah. Yeah, some tussin. Yeah, some tussin. So I got this chest pain.
Starting point is 00:39:13 How many times have you ever heard this? Like, oh, you know, I've had this chest pain, you know, what kind of exercise? Like, how long have you had the chest pain? I don't know, like three months. Kind of lose my breath a little bit. Yeah. Busy. Bro, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:39:23 You wouldn't have a heart attack, guys. What do you know? What are you talking about? You know? Yeah, I, what the fuck? I'm gonna have a heart attack guy. What are you talking about? Yeah. You know? Yeah, I'm... Oh, I'm bad, bro. You have to like drag me in for sure.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, I gotta be pretty bad to go... What's the last time you went to the doctor? I can't remember. Really? Kaiser calls me, like, literally three times a week. That's because you're obese on the scale, though. We're just trying to see if I'm still alive.
Starting point is 00:39:45 He's on the video right here. It's you bariatric treatment. Here it is. Did he just say they tried to get you in an obesity class? Yeah, literally. Look at me, never even made eye contact with me. It is like writing this off like I'm obese. How'd you feel about that call?
Starting point is 00:40:02 So what happened? I mean, I remember that happened to me too, dude, because those stupid BMI things are so skewed. And it was worse when I was even bigger, you know, more fit. You know what I'm saying? I was even leaner and more fit than I was before. I was like, oh, you're obese on here.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Get out of here with that stupid thing. Because of the weight thing or whatever. And so what'd you get? You had a call and they're just like, hey, you called first. And I laughed and then I got a call as a followup and was like, basically trying to pitch me like all these benefits and, you know, I could lose 20 pounds and you know, that's what we're going to do.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Hey, if you were to get the fuck out of here, if you were still, if you were still trying to train people, yeah, I would have gone just to get clients. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just show up. Just vlog the whole thing. Just show up and just get in the club. Hey, you know, I get to train people. If you guys want to, if you guys want to. You should know what I mean? Just show up. Just vlog the whole thing. Just show up and just get in the cl-
Starting point is 00:40:45 Hey, you know, I get to train people if you guys want to. If you guys want to see what I looked like six months ago. I'm like, man, let me tell you what. Like, you're obese, not anymore. Yeah, yeah. I discovered a fat law secret. If you want to talk about it after class, Dr. Dan really knows what he's doing.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Yeah. Anyway. All right, I'll bring up the other thing, which is the Operation Midnight Climax. Have you ever heard of this? Operation Midnight Climax? Yes. San Francisco, you know about it. I have to get the other thing, which is the operation midnight climax. Have you ever heard of this operation? I have midnight climax. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:07 San Francisco. You know about it. This is the CIA, I believe. Yes. Yeah. Um, God, you know everything. They drugged these Johns. Uh, they basically give them acid and they were doing these experiments.
Starting point is 00:41:20 The CIA. That's a job through the, uh, yeah, the prostitutes bro. Listen to this. Okay. Okay. This is real. Okay. So they, so they the yeah, the prostitutes bro listen to this. Okay. This is real Okay, so they so they've been filmed it the prostitutes are giving the the Johns. It's worse than you think Listen, what was what okay? What are they trying to solve? Okay, I know that first was the CIA had a sub had a project called project and cable Tris all part and what it was was see, can we use psychedelic substances to brainwash people, control their minds, get them to do what we want,
Starting point is 00:41:51 believe what we want. Okay. Okay. So the government was like, we want to figure this out cause it's the Cold War. So they took it. Now they use TV. So this doctor, he was a chemist and he based this plan off of an interrogation method under
Starting point is 00:42:07 another project called Project Artichoke. Operation Midnight Clients gave him permission to test drugs on unknowing citizens. So there were scientists, field operatives, agents. Can I just say, can I just... How fun of a job would that be? How brilliant on their part of people who's not going to squeal. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:42:28 That's, they're not, yeah, they're not saying nothing. Yeah, they're saying shit. Right, ready, ready for this? So he did do a lot of that. They dosed people in restaurants, bars and beaches, and it was all happening in San Francisco. You ready for this? Here's the part that blew my mind.
Starting point is 00:42:45 The extent to which this widespread exposure of the public to mind altering drugs. Remember they were rare. You're talking about the 1950s, early sixties, like LSD and stuff like that. People weren't really using them that much. Dude, they attribute this to a bit of the hippie explosion. It was in San Francisco and it says here, the extent to which this widespread exposure of the public to mind altering drugs contributed to the rise of the counterculture movement in the late fifties and sixties is unknown.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Although Ken Kesey has attributed his role in the genesis of the influential San Francisco Bay area psychedelic social scene that developed in the 1960s to his participation in project MK ultra, including LSD experiments in Menlo Park, California, of course hospital. So maybe I've started the whole psychedelic movement through the CIA. That makes sense. So did it go into like what they did? Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:39 So they, they gave these johns. No, not just johns. It wasn't just johns. Oh, it wasn't just no restaurant and Oh, it wasn't just restaurant and people. It was fucking just people. Yeah. I didn't hear about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Restaurants, bars, they would dose them and then watch what happened. And then they'd have someone go, a CIA person go, act like whatever and see how they could, you know, brainwash them, control them, whatever. Didn't they have, so they had some of the prostitutes like asking them certain questions to see, yeah, to see what information they could extract and like how far they could So the one thing that they would go to give, the one bit that they released, it's all classified, they don't release any of it, but one bit that they released was that with sex and psychedelics, people are far more willing to give up sensitive information.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Of course. Yeah, I know. It's like the old honeypot. I'm pretty sure it's why my life, my life likes to do it with us. You know what I'm saying? She knows I'm gonna fucking tell her everything. Let's see. No, you can't hold the secret after that, dude. Psychedelic's mashed with like, with great sex.
Starting point is 00:44:33 It's like, pour out everything you have. You know what I'm saying? Like literally, she's like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? After you're done, Adam's like, you know I'm scared of the dark. Yeah. Oh, you wanna?
Starting point is 00:44:42 I'm really scared. Ah! So, okay, this needs scared of the dark. So, okay, this needs to be a movie. Why haven't they made a movie? I'm surprised they haven't. Yeah. Cause I mean, I know that, uh, too, there was a, the other book about like Charles Manson and how his ties in with MKUltra and like, yes, a lot of the
Starting point is 00:44:59 creation of some of the serial killers. No, I do know, I do know that. I didn't know it was tied to MKUltra. I know that he used to use psychedelics to manipulate his flock of the serial killers. Now, I do know that. I didn't know it was tied to MK Ultra. I know that he used to use psychedelics to manipulate his flock of people, right? Yes, but there's some people speculating. That he's a plant. That he was CIA plant.
Starting point is 00:45:13 That they did that and had a... Yes, yes. You know, it's so crazy and scary about that. Is it makes a lot of sense why someone with that would go to that, do that much crazy shit because you got the green light from the freak? Well, yeah, but he went to prison though. If he was part of that, we wouldn't have gone to prison. You don't think they're gonna... He's not part you got the green light from the freak. Well, yeah, but he went to prison though. If he was part of that,
Starting point is 00:45:25 that he wouldn't have gone. You don't think they're going to, he's not part of it. Like you work with the CIA. They pick and then they use him. Exactly. So by the way, useful idiot, right? No bro. Listen, this is, uh, this is all, this is all like real shit. Then there's the Tuskegee experiments. People don't know this one. Government actually officially came out and apologized for, but they did this between 1932 and 1972.
Starting point is 00:45:48 This was as late as the 1970s where they infected African-American men with syphilis. Yeah. The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated. They gave them syphilis without them knowing to watch and see what would happen. It's weird that people had reserve about an experimental vaccine. I swear to God, dude. Well, people are like, why don't you trust? It's like, come on, this is what they even did. 40 years they did that for.
Starting point is 00:46:12 40 years, bro. Over 400 men. How messed up is that? How messed up? They give you a disease and then they, and then here's the sad part. These men would go to the doctor to try and figure out what's going on. And they wouldn't treat them because they're watching to see how it would unfold. How sad. Isn't that terrible? It is.
Starting point is 00:46:27 It makes me so sad. What's crazy and what's crazy can't help but think, which is, you know, at the Justin's jab and point there is just like, you know, what are they still doing? Oh, yeah. Do we all of a sudden think they had like a couple of Jesus in the 80s? Like the 80s are like, Hey, you know what? Let's become. Let's stop doing this shit. Yeah. We learned, we learned what they did like a decade ago, you know, like that's how like the information
Starting point is 00:46:47 travels because of what's that act with like the freedom of information. Yes. Like so. I think it's 20 or 30 years. Yeah, it's like wave. Like so in terms of like catching up to what they're doing now, who knows? I mean, think about it just because of how we've evolved. It has to be that much more insidious, right?
Starting point is 00:47:03 It just has to be. Oh, yeah. Like it's not going to be like, oh, wow, they're getting savvy to the stuff that we do all these things. Well, what's weird to me, now we have to be like super covert or assassinations of influential or slash, you know, potentially radical, whatever, um, you know, counterculture movement leaders used to happen all the time. They don't happen anymore. So, and all the time, I mean, John Lennon, Martin Luther King, JFK,
Starting point is 00:47:30 which they now they, they won a lawsuit saying, oh yeah, he was the CIA, you know, cause that like you have all these, you know, uh, John FK's, what is his brother, um, Robert Kennedy. Um, and I mean, so many, uh, Malcolm X, like all these people who got assassinated, who were counterculture, you know, type movement, people or whatever, that doesn't happen anymore. So, so what happened? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:54 All of a sudden these people stopped getting assassinated because people stopped trying to kill them or did they change their tactics? Yeah, they said they found a better way. Yeah. They found a different way, which is what I think you would, I mean, you know, I'd kind of interesting, uh, This is different than all of that, but If you guys ever heard of the sov to sovo lions, I don't know how to pronounce that but sovo lions So this was you probably will once I bring it up, but basically I think it was kinnia
Starting point is 00:48:18 But they were the man eating lions. Yes. And so oh, yeah. Yeah, that's in that movie the um great movie with uh Yeah, I know you're yeah, southern line. I think is it. Yeah. Yes. And so, Oh yeah, that's in that movie. The great movie with, Yeah, I know. You're either Southern line, I think is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But these are lines that killed like 100 people and they couldn't catch them. 135. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:33 And they're all building this railroad. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So do you know like what they kind of deduced as to maybe a possible theory is why that they were focused on humans. I forget. Tell me. Because humans are delicious. Yeah, they're delicious.
Starting point is 00:48:49 But so normally they eat big game, right? And so what they're thinking was one of them they found on their teeth, like it was one of their canines that had basically cracked. And so it was an infected. And so it was hard for. And so, um, it was hard for, for him to, to eat bigger game and to, to be able to kind of chomp through. So humans are easier. So humans were easier and like more conveniently located.
Starting point is 00:49:15 So they just started, uh, uh, you know, instinctively to start stocking humans because they're an easier prey. But normally they're into bigger game. Uh, but so they think that that was probably why. And then it created sort of this, oh wow. Learned behavior. Learned behavior. So we can keep making this a food source.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I forget what they depicted in the movie. That's a good movie by the way. They eventually hunted them down. It's Val Kilmer. That's what it is. It was Val Kilmer and it's something in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Ghost in the darkness. I never saw that. Michael Douglas is the one. Michael Douglas and Val Kilmer and it's based off that true story because they actually drop those stats that you just said. Do you know what predator? Well, if you see it, it's almost always for sure probably hunting you. Polar bear.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Oh yeah. Yeah. If you see a polar bear, if you see a polar bear, he's probably talking to each other. Murderers. Really? Yeah. It's not like a lion. You see lions over there. And you're looking at like, if you're in the Arctic and they'll say that, if they see a polar bear, co commercials are just totally misleading. Yeah. They're like, Oh, he's, he's, he's going to come try and get us for sure. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Really? Purely carnivores. They don't, that's all they eat and they hunt and they, it's scarce. Yeah, it's scarce. So they have to like eat whatever's in front of every opportunity. So explorers say that, like if you see a polar bear, oh, he's stalking you. Like he's coming after you. For sure. That sucks.
Starting point is 00:50:37 There's a few, I was actually, I was reading up on some of this cause there was like some specific sharks they had found that were just specifically targeting humans that they ended up tracking and ended up killing. But like, yeah, they got a taste. I got it. It was all because of some more convenience, like a con more convenient way to, to create humans as a food source. So, but it happens, you know, like every now and then.
Starting point is 00:51:01 What would be the scariest thing to get eaten by? It's gotta be a shark, right? Cause you're in the water. I'd say like a squid and then. What would be the scariest thing to get eaten by? It's got to be a shark, right? Cause you're in the water. I'd say like a squid or something. You know that I, I would. Hugging, hugging and rapping and tentacles. The beach just starts like, that was way too quick of an answer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 For these reasons. Boop, boop, boop. Dude, they have the weirdest mouths. They're like a beak. It's like, ew. I've never thought of a squid. Anyway, that's a lesson. I think the worst to be sending that actually is not
Starting point is 00:51:41 so massive to where it takes a while and it's hard. Right. Like that would be the worst. So if I'm not mistaken, a polar bear doesn't kill you. It just starts eating it. If I'm not mistaken, most animals predators will kill you. I think that's bears and hyenas eat you like ass first. That would be horrible. That's, is that true? Is that true? Look at that. Do hyenas eat? Cause that would be the worst.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Hell, bad. Yeah. Because you're alive. Oh, no. Come on. I mean, it's one of those canine kind of animals for sure. And the water and the water one because they say drowning is euphoric, that would probably work to your benefit, right?
Starting point is 00:52:18 You probably get sucked under by a shark about that. I've heard that's actually the best way to go. It is. Even though that sounds terrifying for me to get to drown, they say that that's one of the best ways. They bet when you go, it's like rush of chemicals. They don't eat you ass first, but they grab the animals back, legs, privates, and belly.
Starting point is 00:52:34 So, kind of is going to. I know that there's an animal out there that does it. Just like goes ham. Like, what's up, Andrew? You got something or what? Right ass first. No, I was just going to say what South said. They basically just whatever is easier to bite because of
Starting point is 00:52:48 the job. Oh, okay. Have you seen those pictures? I think I've shown you this before. This is like, uh, like, like, I don't know if there's Somali gangsters or whatever and they have like hyenas as pets. It's like the ultimate flex. Have you seen that?
Starting point is 00:52:59 No, I haven't. Oh yeah. Like, you know how you, like, like you walk around like a pit bull or a lot, like these dudes have hyenas hyenas. You know what's deceiving about a hyena is that when you see them, they're much bigger than what they, you know how you like, like you walk around like a pit bull or what like these dudes have hyenas. You know what's deceiving about a hyena is that when you see them, they're much bigger than what they, they're huge. Yeah, they're big.
Starting point is 00:53:11 That'll kill your dog. Yeah. I used to always see them like on like the national geographic and be like, why, they're so scrawny in this step of their, Cause they're next to lions. Yeah. And then, and but when they're by themselves, they're big dogs. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:53:23 I don't even know if they're part of the dog family. Are they? Yeah, they're part of the dog family. Hyenas are? Yeah. I think so. Really? Yeah. I think so. I don't know. I'm not, dog, you fact check that. I would think so. That would be interesting. They're Nigerian.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Nigerian, like Nigerian gangs, and they'll walk around with them like they're pets. Yeah. So you think you're a badass with your pit? Oh. You think you can watch my out to Hyena? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there you go. It's the first one right there. Our hyenas dogs.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Yeah. Let's see what it says. You're probably right. Are not. Oh, they're not. Dog or cat. Look at that. Dog or cat.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Yeah. The, the, the part of the high night high and ID family or something like that. Yeah. Spot. We will, what else? Ard, ard wolf. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I don't, what's an ardwolf. It's an ardwolf. That's weird. And ardwolf, yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, that would totally, you assume that, wouldn't you? Yeah. No, I kind of knew that.
Starting point is 00:54:14 I kind of knew that. Yeah, I did. That's why I asked the question. You challenged it. I would have been wrong for sure. Because I know like the dingo, right? That's a dog. And like there's other dogs.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Yeah, coyote. Is not a dog. That's the ardwolf. it is coyote is not a dog I thought it was part of the wolf family wolf part of the dog family that's where dogs came from I knew that so I guess I'm being stupid yeah yeah you were doing good you were doing good for me you got a cocky dude I just might drop to the talk to Doug real quick. Let's cut that out. Oh, rewind. Oh, well, I could I could follow up to one because that one spider fact was completely wrong. I launched last time when I was talking about the spider like, oh,
Starting point is 00:54:59 and you put you put combo. Oh, that's scared the shit out of me, though, you guys. I lost sleep over that. So I had to bring it up. Uh, but yeah, this one was just creepy, and I was like, why? Like, sometimes you just, you wonder the scientists, like, what spawned this idea, right? What did they do?
Starting point is 00:55:14 So they took, like, dead spiders, and they basically have, like, this electrode probe thing that's, like, suspending them. And they were doing these experiments where they would like, like add electricity and it would like open the legs out and to where they could like grab an object and pick it up. And it was like twice, if not like three times their body weight. And then they were just doing an experience where they it would like act as like one of those claws
Starting point is 00:55:40 that you go to grab toys, you know, for the, it was like, why? Like what's the, what are we accomplishing here? It's just so creepy to watch to this whole video. Why are they doing that? I don't know. What's going on? Anyway, here's a, here's a terrible transition. Reanimating spiders.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Terrible transition from spiders, but uh, butcher box. They got some. Oh, speaking of that. Hey, actually I was going to ask you. Courtney texting me. Yep. Right. Both of you guys' wives texting all the time.
Starting point is 00:56:04 She does that? Yeah. Don't throw it at his wife's text. She does that She was asking me about my meat that we have in our in our butcher box. Wow I won't tell about you No, she was asking about the chicken breast. Yeah. Anyways, your wife asked me about the, the, the ribs that I always talk about. And so I guess you guys are got some coming down your pipe. So she said that you guys make those in the pressure cooker.
Starting point is 00:56:39 You've been hyping those up so much. I've been telling her about it. Slow cook those. Yeah. Slow cook those. And they're the best baby back. And I've tried so many different baby macros from, yeah, they're the best ones that they make.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I don't, go ahead. Have you guys tried the, the, you guys still eating the nuggets, the gluten free? Yeah. Yeah, right now. Are you kidding me? Why? What is that? They're really good.
Starting point is 00:57:00 It's the best nuggets. I've never had them. Max lives off of those. That's like a staple meal. Yeah, the breading, whatever that is, it's a little bit kind of, it's kind of like tater tot kind of crust. It's so good.
Starting point is 00:57:11 It is. Yeah, I don't know like any other description. No, they crushed it. Cause I've had a lot of nuggets in my life. Those are the best ones. Yeah, and it doesn't, it's, you know me, they crush on like McDonald's nuggets. I had a McDonald's nugget not that long ago
Starting point is 00:57:22 and I was like, oh, it tasted disgusting. Well, McDonald's nuggets tastes like, like gizzards. Yes. They're processed. They're gross. Yeah. You know, speaking of meat is I just bought it. I know Doug was quick to text me because he likes these toys and I haven't used it yet,
Starting point is 00:57:38 but I posted that I bought it. I just got it. And unfortunately, I didn't realize you had to charge it for eight hours before you use it or also I would have used it on my last cook It's I think it's called the meter the meter. Yeah, it's called the meter right it's spelled meat, right? Yes me a Yes, yes. Yes. It's spelled like that and it's uh, I think it's partnered with traeger or I don't know if it's an actual Yeah, I see them uh, I bought it through the traeger website. Oh, you did. Yeah. Yeah, so I but it didn't have traeger branding on it When I when I opened it through the trigger website. Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah. So I, but it didn't have trigger branding on it when I, when I opened it up.
Starting point is 00:58:06 So I wasn't sure if it was like affiliated with them or what it is, but they're basically, it's they're, they're basically Bluetooth thermometers. And so you see this. Oh, so it just communicates to your phone. Yeah, dude. Oh, and it bro, why do you leave it in while you cook it? It's yeah. Oh, so you cook it with it in there?
Starting point is 00:58:23 Yes. Yeah. Smart. And so having to go check it and it has everything you could possibly think of. So if you're doing poultry, you're doing beef, you're doing like whatever me and then how you want it, how you want it, it will tell you what temperature you need to pull it at and then it's all digital. So I just got to look down at my phone and say, oh, I'm at 112. Okay. So keep going. What? Is it expensive? All they need is a little camera inside. It's not cheap. So you can get the single one.
Starting point is 00:58:46 I got the four pack. The four pack was probably, I don't know, a hundred. That's smart. Don't quote me, but I think it was like 170 to $200 or something. Oh, it's Bluetooth though, huh? Yeah. So you're just going to get cancer meat. Is there? What is that? That's 100 bucks just for the single, but I got the four pack. What is that? That's the honor box just for the single, but I got the four pack. Um, so I, I mean, I, so Trigger already has a, I already, I have a, I have a dual, uh, thing so I can put, I can plug mine in, but then I gotta go to
Starting point is 00:59:13 over to it and mine's like really long. I don't like it the way it is. So I always feel like it's not getting a good read, not as precise as I like everybody. When they saw me post this said it's the best thing they've ever had. They said like, you, but yours came with four, huh? You got four in them. Yeah. So you can buy a four pack. See this though. Look at, you can do it in the crock pot. You can do it.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Wow. You didn't even leave it in there. Like, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. You just, so I have, I have the one that you can leave in right now, but it's, it's, and it's connected to the trigger and I can only use it on my trigger. So if I do my gas grill, I don't have something for this where now I'll be able to do this. Yeah. Oh, I might my gas grill, I don't have something for this. We're now, I'll be able to do this. Yeah. Oh, I might check.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Well, I'm going to check this out. Yeah. It's definitely because I suck at barbecuing. And here's the theme, Sal. It's like, cause you know, for a long period of time, I sucked at barbecuing too. Once you figure out, I am so cause you, you can get good at this. Once you've, especially with the tools that they have now, it's almost like cheating.
Starting point is 01:00:02 I mean, it really is. It is cheating. My brother-in-law, who's like a purist, gives me so much shit for my Traeger grill and my thermometers and all stuff like that. He's just like, this is, you know, he marks about it. Like it's like, I don't give a shit. You know what I want? Good meat.
Starting point is 01:00:15 You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not trying to prove to anybody that I'm like a grill master. You know what I'm saying? So once you figure out like how you, how Jessica, how everybody likes their, their meat, whatever it is you cook, you're done. Like then you just know that that's the temperature that you pull at.
Starting point is 01:00:29 And you know, it takes a few times of cooking, whatever types of cuts of meat. Like I know like I pull Katrina's cause she likes it so ruined. She went, I'll wait all the way till like 140. I pull my meat at 132. And then I have a sear. And then it's like, then it, then you 100% time,
Starting point is 01:00:44 you're perfect. Wow. So yeah, helps even somebody who's not. I'm gonna check it out. Can I just say how happy I am that butcher box has thick cut steaks now? Oh yeah. Like rib eyes. Oh, they went thick cut now.
Starting point is 01:00:55 They have, yeah man, look at your, uh, your box and next time order some thick cut pieces. Oh, I'm going to text Katrina that right now because why I went away from the meat. Cause I don't like how the meat's thin cut sometimes, but it's they have thick cut. They have thick cut now. Yeah. I don't mind thin.
Starting point is 01:01:09 You know, you can make thin good if you cook it real fast. You can. You have to be very careful. Here's what we do. Have you ever done this before? You take a plate, olive oil and oregano and salt and then you put the meat on the oregano and salt. Although it's really good.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Tine stuff. Yeah. Try it out. Shout out. I want to shout out the book that I talked about last time, Nonviolent Communication, a great, great book. Here's what's crazy about it, OK? And it's so funny that I started reading this now,
Starting point is 01:01:34 because I just, maybe a few weeks ago, was watching this video and reading about how language is what shapes human thought. Without language, we're actually unable to think the way that we do, to perceive the future and the past and to categorize things. So language shapes our thoughts and our thoughts shape our language,
Starting point is 01:01:56 but our language shapes our thoughts more than anything. Without language, we think very much in terms of feelings and what's happening now and that's it. We don't think in terms of future and categories and people and stuff like that. So this book talks about language and how it shapes the way you view the world and how to change that language and how it changes your perception of things. It's very, very, very smart book. Electrolytes help your muscles fire.
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Starting point is 01:03:10 what program does it most closely? Cause we're going to, I mean, we're going to individualize it ourselves, uh, because of our experience. Right now my program most closely resembles anabolic advanced. Ooh. So yeah, I'm following that, that type of a, a program and programming.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Um, and I probably switched to that. I'd say I want to say maybe three weeks ago. Um, because I just, now I just noticed really great results for the, I have to also make sure I'm rested, um, and well fed when I do that, um, because of the, just the intensity and volume of it. But, um, I love that alternating, you know, kind of volume style training with it, with the intensity and, uh, you know, failure type training. It's, uh, it works pretty well. Mine probably most closely resembles, um, urban hip hop from beach party.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Yeah. I like that. Yeah. It's, uh, no, I'm playing the, uh, math 15 right now is probably the, what I'd say. I am. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. No, I'm playing. Gyrations. Maths 15 right now is probably the, what I'd say. I am. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Yeah. I'm probably. Are you doing it here at home? A little bit of both wherever I can, wherever I can get it. Right now we're in the middle of this transition of this work week. So I'm having a bit of a challenge with when I'm doing that. These, uh, these days tend to be a little bit longer than what they used to be. So I used to train here right afterwards or train at home and I'm finding myself not doing that.
Starting point is 01:04:28 And then I'm cramming it in the last, last three or four days. So, um, yeah, I'd say it's like a map 15 esque, you know, and then there's days where I have like a, like, oh, in the weekend where I have a full hour, then I'll probably put an hour working. So if, if maps 15 and maps like two lifts, two, three lifts a day, that yeah, two, three lifts, but not daily. Cause I'm only getting like three or four times in. So it looks like two big lifts and then I have a day or two on the
Starting point is 01:04:51 weekend, sometimes that looks more like a mass anabolic. Oh, I see. Yeah. So I'd say a maps anabolic day and then maps 15 when I can't get the full hour type of workout is kind of what it looks like. Yeah. I'd say for me, it kind of resembled old time strength, initially a lot of grip, intensive stuff, overhead carries, like a lot of that kind of stuff in bent press.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And then I kind of moved on to do a little more performance phase two type of work. So a lot, a lot more like functional stuff. Cause I was trying to get more athletic again and be able to move effectively and get up and run. So the whole running thing took a bit for me to like get everything sort of back in order and stabilize in order for me to like put that kind of intensity, uh, cardiovascularly. So, um, I did that for, I don't know, maybe like a month and a half or two. And then now I'm back to like maps 15, like, like pretty, pretty consistently
Starting point is 01:05:57 similar to that with interruptions of like suspension trainer work, uh, Olympic rings, you know, but like I'll do that in combination with barbell training. Oh, so you, you, our workouts probably look similar because I actually use the suspension trainer every once in a while, throw in there like external rotation with my like, or w's or whatever, I'll throw that in there and some tricep extension when I do some arm work, which I really do. I seem to like never miss squatting and pull-ups in a week.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Like if I were to assess like the last like six months to a year. Does that say feel the best squatting and pull ups in a week. Like if I were to assess like the last like six months to a year, is that they feel the best squatting is, I just feel like that gives me like the biggest bang for my buck. Like squatting and then, and then the pull ups, like just seem to like keep me feel like feeling strong overall. Right. And that's not me trying to make, let's not compare like, oh, this exercise technically is more like,
Starting point is 01:06:43 I know a dead lifting is, is going to give me more results as far as overall muscle on my body if I already compared to a pull up, but pull, being able to pull up and pull myself up and control that, like and get a good amount of reps and being able to squat good weight, something about that makes me feel like still feel strong. Yeah. Overhead press for me in that regard is always one that I do. And then I would say that's probably my third that I make sure that's in there.
Starting point is 01:07:08 And then the ring is because of the really deep kind of dips I can do. And it's the hardest thing I think out of anything I do. I feel strong if I'm like, oh, I can easily get like 10. Sometimes I can only get like five and I'm like, ah, what I feel like if we do what you just so pull up overhead press and squat, if I never fall off of those three movements in a week and maintain relatively. And throw in some other stuff. Yeah. Or not. Like it missed. That's all I do those three.
Starting point is 01:07:36 And then I get back into like a rhythm. When I get back in the rhythm, I feel like so, I don't have a lot of fall off. I don't feel like I'm like, wait, whereas if you stop doing like everything and then you come back and it's like, oh my God, I'm so weak and back to square one. Whereas if I maintain my pull-up strength, I maintain my squad strength, I can maintain my overhead press strength. I feel like I can come back to a lot of movements
Starting point is 01:07:56 that I haven't done in a month or two and still feel okay. You know, there was a popular routine in the 90s. I can remember the guy's picture. I don't remember the name of the routine, but he would sell these books. Out of the back of the bodybuilding magazines and his routine was based off of, uh, squats, dips and pull-ups. There was dips, pull-ups and squats.
Starting point is 01:08:14 And, you know, he would, you know, there's a picture of them all, you know, pumped up or whatever you were talking about. And, you know, if you think about it, there's no such thing as like the perfect only three exercises, uh, but exercises, but those aren't bad. I think we're doing a really good pushing, pulling that up. Yeah. Good pushing movement, a good, you know, pulling movement, a good kind of squatting movement.
Starting point is 01:08:33 You've got a lot of bases covered by doing some. I think that's what it is. It's, of course, it's not ideal for making moves and I wouldn't have my client do any of this stuff like that. But when I think of like, you know, when I always talk about what's just in doing the least amount possible, right? It did a list of change or even to maintain in this case, that's all I'm looking to do is like, I just don't want to lose a bunch of muscle that I've built. And so what,
Starting point is 01:08:56 what movements do I know keep the most on me? I just came up with such a great product idea. I'm not even sure if I want to share it. I swear to God, I'll tell you guys after the podcast. Doug, how's your workouts? What are you doing? Back on anabolic. Yeah. Good old faithful.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Yeah. So I, last time I went through the maps 15 and then I just kind of go back and forth between other programs and maps, anabolic. So I'm on phase two of anabolic. I'm only doing the twice a week right now. So the last time I did anabolic, especially after phase one, I was feeling a little beat up. And so I said, I'm just gonna try, you know, two workouts a week and see how that goes.
Starting point is 01:09:31 I'm really liking it for me right now. That's actually how I started with you, Sal. It is, it is. Twice a week. Perfect. Next question is from LAPD. Are full body or body parts splits optimal for hypertrophy, hoping sets and frequency equal.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Okay. So sets and frequency being controlled is what they're saying. So for most people, full body is going to be superior and there's a few different reasons why one is if you miss a workout, which everybody's going to do here and there, main reason in my opinion, you're, you're, you're not going to miss an entire body part, right? You've already hit your whole body twice that week. You miss one workout. Okay. No big deal. Body part splits. What you tend to see with a trend is that people tend to miss, if they do miss a workout, it's always that body part they don't like, like legs or, you know, arms or whatever
Starting point is 01:10:20 that they don't like. And so you start to see imbalances that are created. The second reason is, and this is just my argument, I think there's a better systemic muscle building signal that sent from three workouts a week than there are from five workouts a week. And a full body exercise, you're also more likely to pick the big bang for your buck exercises. If I'm going to do nine sets for chest in one day, it's probably not going to be nine sets of the most effective chest exercises. I'm probably going to have at least five or six or three sets of. Then you get in that conundrum too. Like where do I put the dead lift? You know, if it's back, if it's not back day or if it's leg day or if it,
Starting point is 01:10:58 I don't know, I just, too, I think that a lot of times people overdo leg day. And so that was like one of my biggest combs with split versus like a total body. It's just, I like to touch legs each time in my workout cause it just, for me, I feel like I'm putting out a bigger signal. I feel like my whole body is generating more force,
Starting point is 01:11:19 which then, you know, and then to the recovery time in between those are two arguments I always make. Along those lines, I agree. I think that people, when you run splits, you're more likely to overdo intensity on a muscle group. Yeah. And I think when you have to do full body broken up two or three days a week, it, it modifies or manages people's intensity better because you're not going
Starting point is 01:11:43 to go destroy one muscle group beneath the do train the whole body. So you have to be a little more conservative with the amount of intensity that you put forth towards each exercise. And the hardest transition is getting a body part split guy to go, Hey, it's okay that you don't feel destroyed after that, you know, three sets of squats. And now we're moving on to something else. Like it's okay and normal to feel that way. And then getting them to commit to training that way with, you know, three days a week, uh, full body versus splitting the body up because the body part split, it kind of, it promotes this destroy a muscle group or two muscle groups.
Starting point is 01:12:20 And just, I think too many people overreach their body is constantly in this recovery trap and they're not recovering and they don't actually adapt and grow. And so in my experience, people always end up doing better with the full body. And especially to your points out, I know with my own, we were just talking about our training right now. And I've, I'm always inconsistent. And like when I don't have like a major goal and I'm just training for health, like I really ever have this five weeks in a row of exactly
Starting point is 01:12:48 the same consistency, just not how I train. It's like I train when I can and when it fits in and do what I need to do. And full body is just the best way to do that because there's a lot of times where I just got back from a four day trip where I was out. So I got one workout in, you know, and it's so great that I got one workout in and I hit everything. So it's like those types of things I think are, are important. Also for muscle and hypertrophy, especially for strength in particular, or power fatigue is the enemy.
Starting point is 01:13:16 And so how many of the sets that you do in one workout where it's all chest, right, or all back, how many of those sets are going to be quality, right? Versus splitting up those sets throughout the week. If you do three sets, three days a week, that's nine total sets, those three sets you do each time tend to be more quality, right? Versus nine sets by time you get towards the end of the workout. It becomes more about just getting the pump and, you know, fatiguing the muscle type of deal. So you'll see power and strength athletes often train with more frequency than bodybuilders do who tend to hammer a body part all in one day. Um, and I think strength athletes for most people have more,
Starting point is 01:13:55 have better programming than bodybuilding. Now there are those cases where you have those genetic anomalies and freaks and all that stuff. And that's why splits can sometimes be better because the, just the total amount of volume someone's going to train, if they did a full body workout, it might take them two and a half hours. But for most people, full bodies, and this is, we've experienced this throughout our whole careers, it's just better, just better.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Next question is from Chris E. Dagle, are peptides and TRT still allowed to claim natural? So funny. I think this is so funny. No, they're not, you know, you know, that brings us to claim natural. So funny. I think this is so funny. No, they're not. You know, that brings us another one. Who cares?
Starting point is 01:14:28 Yeah, I mean, so, okay, so the question about natural, right? If you're in a competition or a sport that is, you know, that has a governing body, they'll tell you what you can and can't use. This whole like, are you natural or not? I think it should be limited to hormones for the most part because I mean, people have used medications, they use all kinds of things that aren't natural.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Does that count? What about anything that improves performance? Caffeine and some supplements do, is that still considered, you know, natural peptides or natural in the body? You know, I, they're not drugs. Are those considered?
Starting point is 01:15:06 So this, this just reminded me of something I wanted to, I'm so glad actually this guy brought up because I actually had this in my notes, like a couple of weeks ago to bring up to you guys and share the story with you of why I really can't stand this, this movement on social media of people that do the natural, not natural fake Natty stuff. So you know, Greg Duchette,
Starting point is 01:15:23 who's famous for doing this. There's a guy that he, he like called out that he got after his, one of his competitions, like his, his estrogen levels were through the roof. And it was just like, it was so obvious supposedly that he did something. He was on drugs. So he just hammered this guy and there's a bunch of people just destroyed his reputation. And so with that, and a year comes out later, they had Hashimoto's.
Starting point is 01:15:49 And the Hashimoto's is what caused this hormone imbalance to be way off. And the guy the whole time was actually a natural athlete. And they took him through the ringer on the internet because someone like that, who's got a lot of mob, dude, it's the whole thing. It is. And it's just a bunch of fucking bullshit. You know, like that's somebody's life who got ruined over somebody else who has some Instagram YouTube clout. And that's what they, and all they do is sit at home and make videos and try.
Starting point is 01:16:12 You know, let me, let me rephrase. Let me, let me put this in a nice, in a different context, just to kind of, so people can understand what's going on here. Cause I get the whole argument, like, well, if they're selling products or they're saying they're natural and their workout is what made them look this way, but then we find out they're on drugs drugs then it doesn't count. All right Let's just imagine a world where all performance enhancing drugs were legal over the counter testosterone
Starting point is 01:16:34 Diana ball Tremblone all the steroids all that stuff and then you had ads you had ads on social media with Ronnie Coleman Kevin Lavrone in his peak, you know these massive bodybuilders And they're like, take Tremblone and look like me. Still a lie. It's still a lie. Right. The average person, if they use the same drugs that these pro bodybuilders use, that's right, would not look like these pro bodybuilders. Even steroids won't make you look like these people. So whether they say it's a supplement or a workout, this is how I look the way I do and whatever you think you're going to look like that person by doing what they do is wrong. No matter what,
Starting point is 01:17:11 it's always going to be wrong. Even if it's drugs, even if it's drugs, it's wrong. You could give me all the steroids in the world and I wouldn't even, I probably wouldn't even win a state bodybuilding competition. That's how big of a role genetics play, which obviously you don't have the same genetics as these people. So just to put these, those things in context, this whole like, are they natural? Are they not natural?
Starting point is 01:17:31 Are they whatever? It's like, well, there's also the other point that like we, what Dave Asprey was making when we were talking to, he's like, nobody's natural. All the stuff that we do, all the stuff that we take in our doctors prescribed to us and medications that we have. And a better, a better a better question is is there an advantage? Yes, there is an advantage to using exogenous hormones. Even testosterone replacement therapy, which I'm on, is an advantage because my testosterone replacement,
Starting point is 01:17:58 okay, technically it's keeping it at what would be considered a high normal level. Even replacement is an advantage because my testosterone will never go down whether I lose my sleep, whether I'm stressed or whatever, because it's there exogenously versus natural testosterone, which fluctuates heavily based on lifestyle. So I could get away with a lot more in my lifestyle and not get suppressed testosterone. So it's still an advantage. Is it a huge advantage? Probably not, but is it an advantage?
Starting point is 01:18:27 Yes, it is. Next question is from Migo Devon. I'm trying to train for a competition at my local gym where you have to rep your body weight on the bench and squat as many times as you can. Whoever has the most combined reps wins. I'm not sure the best way to approach this. Okay, so the average person would think
Starting point is 01:18:50 the best way to get ready for this is to rep out and continue to work out with your body weight and the bench and squat. And I can see the rationale there. But heavy strength training with low reps should definitely be part of the programming. In fact, Jack LaLaine, he had a pushup and pullup record that stood for, I don't know, 50, 60 years.
Starting point is 01:19:10 Maybe you could look it up. That was like a thousand. I'd have a day of each of my week. I'd have a day of, of five under, right? So like singles, doubles, triples up to five reps. And then I'd have a day of AM ramp. Higher reps. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:23 As many as I could have that thing. So you're always challenging your thing. The strength and endurance. Yeah. And then I'd have a day of AM ramp higher reps. Yeah. As many as I could have that thing. So you're always challenging your thing, the strength and endurance. Yeah. And then I'd have something in the middle, right? Moderate intensity, moderate reps in the middle that it would look anabolic as as far as like full body, three times a week, one day would be heavily focused on really, really heavy weight. One day a week would be the AM ramp.
Starting point is 01:19:42 One day in the middle will be something like moderate intensity. And then, and then of course what our timeframe is to get us ready for that. But I think that would be one of the best ways to get there. So at 42, uh, Jack Elaine did the record for pushups by doing over a thousand of them in 23 minutes. And at 45, he did a thousand jumping jacks and a thousand pullups in one hour. In 22 minutes, Jack Elaine, uh, accredited heavy lifting to this feet. He said they stay asking like, what was your secret?
Starting point is 01:20:08 And you just do pushups and pullups all the time. He says, no, I did heavy bench presses and weighted pullups. So, um, it's definitely a combination and you have to, now you're going to have to adjust your intensity as you do this. If you're training those movements three days a week, uh, one of them would be higher intensity. The other two would be lower intensity. I would keep the heavy day lower intensity. I would go five, you know, five sets of five reps and keep the intensity. Yes. And it would be like, you know, a weight that I could probably do eight reps with. And that's what I would pick for the
Starting point is 01:20:39 five. Cause you just want to, you want the ability to generate that type of power and force. Like, and that's really like, you do have to incorporate strength because it is a strength feet, but in order to extend that strength feet, any of the endurance, which is the reps that you're practicing. And so like in terms of the amount of reps that you're doing on the other days, that's the work that you're trying to increase in terms of the amount of volume. Right, right. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of
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