Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2271: Signs You Should Stop Reverse Dieting, the Truth About Ice Baths & Muscle Growth, Tips to Improve Bench Press Strength & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email live@mindpumpmedia.com if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If ...you want to improve your cognitive function, GET STRONGER! (2:23) How we confuse knowledge with brain power. (12:27) Conspiracy Corner with Mind Pump: Operation Popeye. (25:37) Speculating on what crazy things may happen leading up to the Presidential election. (28:45) Gorilla strong! (36:17) The benefits of GHK-cu. (40:09) Fun Forgotten Supplements with Sal: Methylene blue. (42:59) Ranking the guy’s healthiest and unhealthiest fitness friends in the space. (47:10) Get NCI’s Coaches Toolkit for FREE! (53:52) Shout out to Slow Horses on Apple+. (55:52) #ListenerLive question #1 - If I want to keep with my cold exposure, when would be the best time to implement it? (57:25) #ListenerLive question #2 - Any tips on strengthening the lower motion of my bench press? (1:10:55) #ListenerLive question #3 - Everyone keeps telling me I should do cardio and even the Dexa AI advised that I start cutting before I start bulking. Am I doing something wrong? Should I incorporate some cardio? Also, I gained 20 lbs on the scale, is this normal? (1:19:07) #ListenerLive question #4 - I’m a speech therapist wanting to expand my practice to include fitness. If I pursue this, would you recommend doing an adaptive personal training certification or something somewhere like NASM? (1:33:12) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com Visit Entera Skincare for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** Exclusively for Mind Pump Listeners, NCI is giving the plug-and-play system every coach needs...completely for FREE!  February Promotion: MAPS Performance | Extreme Fitness Bundle 50% off! ** Code FEB50 at checkout ** The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Strength training can help protect the brain from degeneration Weight training may boost brain power - Harvard Health Mind Pump #2232: Age-Proof Your Muscles, Bones & Brain With Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Mind Pump #2207: Upgrade Your Brain With Jim Kwik With Operation Popeye, the U.S. government made weather an instrument of war How Strong is a Silverback Gorilla? (Estimates) - Wildlife Informer The Side Effects of Methylene Blue, How to Use it, & More. Watch Slow Horses - Show - Apple TV+ Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Discount is now automatically applied at checkout 15% off your first order! ** The Science & Use of Cold Exposure for Health & Performance Mind Pump #2127: Bench Press Masterclass Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Exclusively for Mind Pump Listeners, NASM is offering an extra $100 off select Certified Personal Trainer programs. ** Code MPM100 at checkout ** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (@drgabriellelyon) Instagram Jim Kwik (@jimkwik) Instagram Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Elon Musk (@ElonMusk) Twitter Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness) Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek) Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram  

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Starting point is 00:02:33 You want to brain that works well into old age. One of the best things you could do now, this again, is according to the data, is to get stronger strength training in particular is one of the only forms of exercise or any non-medical intervention that shows improvements in cognitive function. In fact, some studies even show it stops the progression of the beta amyloid plaques that are related to Alzheimer's and dementia. So again, if you want to be smart, lift some weights. This one's pretty cool because the studies on this, I'm going to read you guys.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Is there, are there IQ studies like to show that? Oh, I got a, I'll read you guys like a wild one. Okay. So this one, this one was done. Now the Alzheimer's one, I quote in, uh, in the book, um, the resistance training revolution, because this was the first time that an intervention has halt has been shown to halt the degeneration of the brain over a long period of time. You know, that's related to Alzheimer's. So I've talked about that one before and that was done out of Sydney, Australia.
Starting point is 00:03:36 And it blew people's minds because we'd never seen that progression stop, especially not with a non-medical intervention. But this other study was really interesting. It's a little bit of an older one, but and I had never seen this one before, but check this out. This particular study took a group of people, a total of 68 women and 32 men between the ages of 55 to 86.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Okay, so this is when you, this is the age range you start to see cognitive impairment, right? You start to see. Okay. So this is when you, this is the age range. You start to see cognitive impairment, right? You start to see cognitive decline. One group did strength training twice a week. Okay. Just lift weights twice a week. The other group didn't do anything. They didn't do nothing. They did stretching exercises twice a week. So stretching exercises versus strength training. Yeah. Here's what they found.
Starting point is 00:04:24 The strength training group scored significantly higher at the end of the study than at the beginning. And they retained that gain 12 months later. Here's the best part though. The scores of the, uh, the, the gains in the test scores was greatest for those who had the greatest gains in strength. Oh, interesting. There was a relationship between the increase in strength and the
Starting point is 00:04:47 improvement in cognitive function by the end of the study. You think that has something to do with like, uh, the insulin sensitivity because of building more muscle and then you, okay. Yes. Directly. 100%. If you look at, um, like the studies on, um, the studies on neurodegenerative disorders or cognitive impairment, you'll typically see a slight boost or improvement when you take those people
Starting point is 00:05:15 and you cut their carbs out and put them on a ketogenic diet. Now, the solution isn't a ketogenic diet. Okay, so everybody, I want to be clear with that. But the reason why they see cognitive improvements is because there's this impaired ability for the brain to utilize glucose. That's what that there's something going on there. Now, we don't know if that's the root or if it's part of it, but we do know that there's an impairment in the brain's ability to utilize energy. So it's like you have a computer and now you're giving it half the power or, you know, maybe getting some power sometimes or not. So the computer's just not going to work as well.
Starting point is 00:05:46 So what they do is they'll put them on a ketogenic diet, then they'll start to run off the ketones and they'll have improved cognitive function. All right. What does this have to do with building muscle? Building muscle is one of the most effective ways to improve insulin sensitivity because muscle stores glycogen. It's glycogen comes from carbohydrates and sugar. So your liver stores glycogen, but so do your muscles.
Starting point is 00:06:07 So you make them bigger, you'll have more, you'll have a larger capacity to pull sugar out of the blood and store it and utilize it. And muscle is also very insulin sensitive. So muscle and brain is very closely related in that particular sense. So the people who got strongest at the best. And that's my guess as to why.
Starting point is 00:06:27 But it's really interesting. Have you seen any stuff on like, like the amount of lean body mass, like a correlation between that and like diabetes and stuff like that? Have you seen anything around those? Yes. Yeah, wonderful. We have. Yes, people with diabetes are very often have sarcopenia,
Starting point is 00:06:45 loss of muscle, very closely related. So even people who are overweight with diabetes, we used to think, I remember this came out maybe 10 years ago, maybe a little more. It'd be cool to see, sorry to interrupt you, I just think my brain's going to this down this rabbit hole of like, it would be cool to see like if we had a chart for based off of your weight,
Starting point is 00:07:04 if you had X amount of pounds of lean body mass, your likelihood of diabetes would be reduced to this. Yeah, yeah, right? Like, oh, you're a, you're 180 pounds. If you've got a hundred and maybe a ratio of your height. Yeah. That stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Like some, some like that, right? So like you're basically, I would just say, I think weight would be, would suffice, right? You just be based off of this weight. If X amount of that is lean body mass, your potential of, you know, not having diabetes would be this high. Like, so people have like a really good target of like, okay, that's a good goal. I don't want that to happen. This is going to be good for overall health. So this is how much I weigh. I want to make sure
Starting point is 00:07:40 I have this and go on a muscle building. Yeah, think of it think of it this way. Uh, building muscle in, in all the studies that we have on this building muscle is building the brain. Yeah. Losing muscle is probably also losing the brain. And there's a lot of, I mean, it's very complicated. I, I, I said one thing, like it was very complicated, right? Cause what, yeah, I was gonna say, it's going to be a multitude of factors to that as well. But I was just trying to think about that of like, you know some kind of neural demand like yes So say like generating force and the overall demand
Starting point is 00:08:13 output wise in terms of like your brain having to Sort of send that signal louder signal for you to be able to lift objects and be able to utilize You know the muscle tissue for sure absolutely like your brain gets stronger. I would like almost like a muscle tissue. I'm sure the brain has some sort of, you know, parallel muscle is a very, I mean, it's, it's an organ of the body. I guess you could put it in that category. If you will. I know that's not technically what it is, but it's very sensitive. There's receptors in muscle that sense pressure and position, contraction. You know, it's a feedback mechanism,
Starting point is 00:08:52 tells the body when you're in danger, when you're in pain, it stores glycogen, like I said, it's got hormones sensitive. It puts out chemicals itself. When you exercise, there are chemicals and peptides that are put out from muscles that do things like reduce inflammation and you know, increase BDNF in the brain, which is like it's like fertilizer for brain cells. I was mentioning
Starting point is 00:09:16 years ago, I don't remember how long I want to say 10 or 15 years ago, do you guys remember there was a, it was like an image, an MRI image of an obese person and then a normal weight person. And it completely dispelled the myth that if you were overweight, you probably also had more muscle mass. And what it showed was, it's not true. Yeah. Yeah, we used to think that, oh, this person's 300 pounds, they got to carry that weight around. They also would have to have more muscle in order to do that. No, there's a sarcopenia connection too. Overweight people tend to have less muscle mass
Starting point is 00:09:50 than people who are normal weight. So there's like muscle, and it's like Dr. Gabriel Lyon talks about this, how we don't have an over, you know, an obesity issue. Under muscle. It's an undermuscled type of issue. But yeah, for the brain, like build muscle is what you want to do. Now, I know people are going to look at this and go like streams and
Starting point is 00:10:09 jocks, bodybuilders and all that stuff. But yeah, yeah, I'm not talking about the unnatural, right? But, and you're right too, Justin, you know, it's weird or sad, I should say, is, is popular media has painted athletes and muscle as dumb. Yes. Which is not, it's not only not true. It's the opposite of true. So you take it, you take a dumb person, you have them exercise and build muscle.
Starting point is 00:10:34 They're less dumb. You know, of course it's not going to become a genius. Where do you think the little nerds have to have something? I mean, obviously that stigma comes from somewhere. Where do you think it stems from? I mean, obviously that stigma comes from somewhere. Where do you think it stems from? I think that generally speaking, people that were attracted, probably the whole like, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:52 the people who do the engineering and who do that kind of stuff are not interested in those other things and they look a particular way, jocks look a particular way and they're more interested in maybe athletics. So that might be it. I think there's a, there's a, it's not a be it. I think there's, I think there's a, there's a, it's not a good control.
Starting point is 00:11:06 I think there's a dumb jock part that the vanity part that is, that attracts probably a lower IQ. But then I think there's also the upper echelon of super high performing people that have actually hacked into knowing that health and fitness is also a part of super, super high performance. So I think it's somewhere in the middle. Is this like, oh yeah, this kind of dumb jock or like, oh, because they're not very smart.
Starting point is 00:11:28 You've deferred to lifting weights and looking good, right? But then there's the other end of the spectrum that is like super high performing people for the most part, not all, but for the most part have hacked into the importance of a healthy diet, a healthy sleep regimen and weight training and like those super high performing people tend to be healthy also. I just think if you look at the extremes of,
Starting point is 00:11:52 cause we tend to look at the extremes and then we make generalizations. If you look at the extremes of performance, you don't have a lot of time to spend developing other areas of your life. Like if you're like a high level athlete, you're not like, you're probably not. Yeah, you're not going to medical school and spending all your time doing that. And if you're going a high level athlete, you're not like, you're probably not, yeah, you're not going to medical school
Starting point is 00:12:06 and spending all your time doing that. And if you're going to medical school, like you ain't got tons of time to go be some super, you know, jack person. The real study is take a person and have them be fit versus less fit and then measure their brain performance in their IQ. And you'll see a difference.
Starting point is 00:12:21 You'll see a difference. It's funny because we forget the brain is a part of the body. Yeah. So a healthy body means you have a healthy brain as well. It's really interesting. It's gonna impact the brain substantially. Yeah, it's gonna work better. So yeah, the more you, all of your systems are working,
Starting point is 00:12:36 you know, in unison, the more productive you are. So it's, yeah, it's hilarious that we just like focus on, oh, if it's the brain, we're just gonna read more and and we're going to, wow, that's, that stereotype goes all the way back to 500 BC when Greek athletes were criticized for the inordinate amount of time they used in preparation for competition and for neglecting their intellectual. See, that's, you spend so much time on one thing. That's all it is. It's because they're training constantly physically where the philosophers were up there like
Starting point is 00:13:07 noodling about the meaning of life. Yeah, but I wonder in today's time, so this would be interesting too, to see how many athletes post their professional sport go on to be very successful in business. Because I would think that some of the attributes that it was required in order to be a very successful athlete at the highest level.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Also, play very well into building a business and be successful in life. Oh yeah. You know, we all know. So, you know, even if you fall, yeah, right? You know what the thing too is we confuse knowledge with, uh, like brain power or intellectual capacity. Like, like I'll use my wife as an example. Um, she has incredible brain power. She's, she learns things and she's very intelligent, but she grew up not valuing school. She hated school. So she didn't like learn things, but when I met
Starting point is 00:13:56 her and we'd have these conversations, she's obviously very intelligent. And then she went off on her own to learn certain things. So you could have knowledge and not have tons of brain power. You could have tons of brain power and not have knowledge. Exercise, strength training improves your brain power. It doesn't mean you're gonna know shit. You still have to go learn stuff. I also think that you add in the fact too that
Starting point is 00:14:15 school is like this, I mean, being good at school, it doesn't make you a smart person. Of course, no. It means she- Well, that's what I, she used to think that. She's like, well, I know a lot of things. Like you went to a shitty school. That's been so bastardized dude.
Starting point is 00:14:27 I mean, that was, that was created to, to make you into a worker B, you know, in corporate America. That wasn't designed to challenge you to be super smart or reach your upper limits of intellect. I don't think that's at all. So we've, we've conflated this idea of, oh, you, you're good at school. Therefore you're smart.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Like, yeah, no, I don't agree with that. Not necessarily. No, not at all. I wish that it's funny that they used to, you know, they were talking about ancient Greece and they used to value philosophy, music, like, like this actual thinking, like how to think about things and conceptualize things. They don't do that anymore. I think that's such a loss.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's kind of like, oh, what's his name? Who always spins it back. Oh, the guy we had on the show? Yeah. Oh, Jim Quick. Jim Quick, so he, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:17 The broken brain. He teaches people how to learn. Which is like something you don't, there's no course like that in school, which I think is quite ridiculous, to have them be able to think for themselves and analyze the best way to kind of put it all together. Because it's such like an individual thing
Starting point is 00:15:39 at the same time too, like how everybody learns and like their best methods. So why not lean into that more as opposed to like just memorizing things. Did I tell you guys or did I talk about on the show about what Max's school, like what the teachers teach when they can't, when a kid can't solve a problem? So I didn't tell you guys, oh, so we had like this, the parent teacher conference thing for like the next grade and stuff like that. And one of the parents was all stressed out that these kids are like
Starting point is 00:16:05 learning math or high range. She's like, you know, within a year or two, I feel like I'm going to be able to teach my kid math, help him with his homework or like that. And one of the teachers said, uh, well, that's not your job. Our job is to, to teach your kids math and these subjects. And if they don't, we've already taught your kid on what he's supposed to do. And she's like, what's that? And she's like, yeah, if you, if your kid has homework and they can't solve the
Starting point is 00:16:27 problem, they know to circle it, they don't even have to answer it. They circle it and say, I don't know how to do this. And then when they come to class next day, the teacher works it out with them and teaches them the process of figuring that out. Like I was like, oh, that's so cool that they do that versus, right. Versus exactly. You don't feel, and it's like, and you're not, you don't feel this it's like and you're not you don't feel this pressure of like You know, I don't know how to do it
Starting point is 00:16:47 So I'm either gonna one cheat my way or ask my dad I'm gonna get left behind right or make up an answer like that. No instead. I don't I don't know So I circle and they they're supposed to circle I don't know and then when they when they get class teacher will sit down with them and then before they leave that day That kid will understand how to solve that problem. I'm like, oh my god That's so awesome that they're teaching him that like the critical thinking around that versus just this is the answer or expecting you to turn in a homework to complete or incomplete.
Starting point is 00:17:13 It's like, no, it's not about that. It's about you understanding how to solve the problem. There seems to be a shift in how people are viewing education and starting to look at it a little bit, a little bit better. Like we grew up and still up until recently, it's just about getting an education. It's like, no, no, no, go get your degree. That makes you work, make more money, whatever. And it's like, almost like it didn't matter.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yeah. What you learned, right? Like the conversation I have with my kids is until like, yeah, getting education is great, but look at the market and see what, where the value is. Otherwise you can go learn stuff for free. Where are you going gonna get return? Yeah, it makes no sense to go get a, you know, a 70,000 or 100,000 or plus dollar degree
Starting point is 00:17:52 or get a loan, especially for where it's worth nothing on the market. What are you doing? You just, you literally have just put yourself backwards and it's not worth anything. And a lot of people have done that. A lot of people are just like, oh no, no, I gotta go to school. What are you learning?
Starting point is 00:18:05 And then they, their career, like they have to learn everything all over again, like from the scratch, just to like do their careers. Well, don't you have, you have, uh, Jordan Peterson, you have, I believe Elon Musk now. Yeah. I think Apple or Google, I mean, the education is getting disrupted. It's happening. It's happening this next decade. Like we are going to see it massively disrupted.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Wait, did, is it, was it Tesla that says, they no longer require a bachelor? I believe that's, I believe it's, I think it was Tesla, but I know you on, I know he's, I know he's getting into that, into that realm also. I know that Peterson already launched his, right? His school that launched last November, I think it was. So his school, his school, uh, what's his name doing the same thing? Who's that ex Navy seal? Jaco doesn't he have one too? Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. I think he has like an S a course or school for sweet.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Yeah. Do you want to work at the Tesla? Yeah. Yeah. Tesla do not, Tesla does not require college degrees of any kind. Huh. Yep. And he put literally he tweeted educational background is irrelevant. How do you not like some stuff he said? Well, I mean, you don't if you were if you were the the opposite family or kid that got brought up into it. And because I mean, you still, by the way, this conversation will offend a percentage of the people listening right now because there's some people that that's there.
Starting point is 00:19:22 They're my mom's a teacher, my grandma's a teacher, like everybody were like that was, that's still so important and they value it for whatever reasons. And so they feel offended by, I saw, in fact, somebody DM me after one of the last times we had a comment, a conversation about this. I don't remember what it was related to, but it was like, we were, we were talking about that and they were talking about, oh, I think we were talking about having a degree in business. And I think we were kind of pooping that whole like, what, you know, what's the point
Starting point is 00:19:47 of having this, this degree in business, but you've never actually got out and tried to build a business. And somebody, some girl, you know, she got a high paying job because she had that, you know, master's degree in that field. So because of that, it allowed her to get a job where they paid her very well for it. But as far as like her actual experience. Here's the argument that I would make. Yeah, here's the argument that I would make.
Starting point is 00:20:08 So how long did it take you to get that degree? So however many years? How long does it take to get a master's typically? What, six years? Yeah, at least six. Okay, so six years of school. Look at the debt that that put you in. So probably we could safely say, what, $100,000
Starting point is 00:20:22 at the very least, $100,000 in debt after six years. What if she went and got a job entry level at the place she's trying to get a job at now, worked there for six years, had a mentor, where would she be at the end of six years? Well, yeah, that's if, so the problem is, is that, and I believe that was the part of the argument is that you couldn't get that job without that.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Not that, but you could have got something else and maybe worked your way through. Sure, something else, that's a possibility. That's the thing, because people think that six years doesn't count. What are you gonna do? You're gonna sit at home for six years? I mean, there's also the argument this,
Starting point is 00:20:53 like, so, I mean, I'm getting to watch this, right? First hand with my son and when the school is going through, like, and I've been very happy with the things that I'm watching them. And it's like, you know, would I have a different feeling about education had I gone through a different process through it. Like if I got, if I was raised in a school like he is, it goes all the way to high school, right? So I have this great experience in high school, college prep.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Yeah. And then I go off to a really good college that is maybe teaching me critical thinking, so like that. I mean, Harvard's kind of known for that, isn't it? Harvard's known for like teaching a lot of their students to think outside the box. A lot of these students create some crazy business while they're in Harvard Business School. And so there's schools that are pushing kids. Yeah, it's true. They're not all the same. I'm a school and a professor, background. And yeah, like I, you know, when I was going for my business minor, I had a really good teacher
Starting point is 00:21:39 because he was in it. Like he had two Fortune 500 two Fortune 500 businesses that he was running and like, so he had a lot of really valuable contribution. I can only imagine, but there was a few that didn't, right? And so it was like, you know, it was hit or miss, but, uh, cause I could, that could be, okay, you go through school just like my son does. Then it goes to, let's say at college and it gets your professor for there. Who's got two Fortune 500.
Starting point is 00:22:01 I mean, that's like being meant to, I couldn't imagine imagine being 18 years old and cause when I was 18, I was trying to figure this, you know, dairy personal training thing out. Like I'm trying to just swim. Had I been sitting after all that great schooling that I went through, like my son is going through and then I get into a college and I get your professor who's already got two fortune 500 companies or anything. I mean, that's like mentorship and knowing the type of kid that I am, I would have been pulling on a shirt all the time, being like, oh, what's it like? And what are the
Starting point is 00:22:26 mistakes you made and asking him questions. And like, that's the other thing too about kids today. Like, you can get that with networking though, to your other point. You can. I mean, obviously, I were, we're, we're proof that I didn't, obviously I'm proof that I didn't have to go to the college and do that. But I also think in the defending the people that I know that get defensive when we have conversations like this is There is a path or a potential path that you could have had that could have been as successful or maybe even possibly more If I would have got if you would have thrown me into Justin's college after going through school Like my son is going through right now and I got a professor like that in business
Starting point is 00:22:58 You could argue that I'd be further along. There's a lot of the point isn't that it's it's worthless The point is that there's a lot of paths, but the, but sold is that there's only one path. Sure. That's what's sold. Yeah. And there's nothing more unequal. People talk about, oh, you know, things need to be equal and we need to equity.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Whatever. The most unequal thing you'll ever find in your life is public education ever. You go to a public school and very, very, a wealthy area versus one and a not so wealthy area Even though they're both publicly funded and you will find vastly different experience vastly different Yeah, and so it's not the same experience. So yeah, I you know, I think I mean, I'm playing devil's advocate, right? I mean obviously, I mean you and I didn't right so I didn't go to bad. It's like I went to bad public schools But you know the irony is though
Starting point is 00:23:44 Do you have a do you have a, do you have a friend, do you have a single friend that has their PhD or their master's or the degree that makes more money than you? No. Either do I. Yeah. So I mean, I, I, there is obviously other paths to do that, but I do think that they're, I do think there can be a really good path through school.
Starting point is 00:24:00 If you choose the right, the right teachers, the right schooling, like, I mean, and honestly, that's probably, you probably, as a dad now, the biggest takeaway for me is that being involved in your, knowing what your kids are with, to me, that is like, because what you, what one, paying attention to, what are they teaching them? And, and being involved in that as a parent, maybe the most powerful thing that you can do. So even maybe my son didn't have the greatest school ever.
Starting point is 00:24:25 But if I am paying attention to these things, by the way too, like the, I don't know if you guys saw my story the other day with the book thing, I'm so proud. Like it's taken him almost a week. I cannot believe that my son has a box, a present up on the shelf that he's working towards and he's working towards it. And it doesn't even phase him. In fact, he took a day off of reading one day.
Starting point is 00:24:46 I was just like, that drips me the fuck out. That he's got 11 books to read. He knows he can't open that until he finishes his books. And he'll, he knocks out two a day, you know? So he took a day off on the weekend cause we were watching cartoons and movies and stuff like that. No way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Yeah. Today this morning he woke up. That is such a great characteristic. Tired and I said, hey, I told him, I said, hey, I said, you only got one more book today. Today you finish your book and then we'll open it up. He lit up, got all excited. I said, when you get off of school, we'll finish your last book
Starting point is 00:25:14 and then we'll open that up. That's so great. But I'm like, damn, dude, like, it's been up there for over a week now. That's hella patient. I know. I'm way more patient than I ever would have been. I wouldn't have figured out a way to climb up. Or that or I would have read all the, I would have read,
Starting point is 00:25:25 like he technically could read all those books and easily a day or two. They're not like super long. They take them a while. They probably take some 20, yeah. And consistent. Yeah. That's so great.
Starting point is 00:25:35 I know. So it's so cool watching it unfold. All right. So I'm going to take a left turn here because I read about a conspiracy theory that I was not aware of. And I'm going to bring it to Justin. Who's the, who's the, it's actually, this is actually not a conspiracy theory that I was not aware of. And I'm going to bring it to Justin. Who's the who's the exact thing?
Starting point is 00:25:45 This actually not a conspiracy theory. It's actually happened. Have you heard of Operation Popeye? No, this is a real. This was a real thing. Something to sell spinach. This isn't related to the cartoon. Is it? No, I know.
Starting point is 00:25:59 They name them weird shit. Was it the sell spinach? Is that something to do that? No, dude, this is a real thing. Okay. This was a military cloud seeding project carried out by the US Air Force, carried out. They actually did this during the Vietnam War in 1967 to 1972.
Starting point is 00:26:15 The highly classified program attempted to extend the monsoon season over specific areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail. In order to disrupt the North Vietnamese military supplies by softening road surfaces and causing landslides. Okay, so we tried to mess with the weather to cause monsoons over, this is, did you say Vietnam war time? Yes. Trying to extend the rainy season.
Starting point is 00:26:39 They went, so listen to this. Thinking that that would benefit us? Because the Ho Chi Minh Trail was with the Northern Vietnam, Vietnamese army would carry supplies and stuff. So they thought if we can make them on season, long and wet, it'll disrupt their ability to deliver supplies. And they actually did it.
Starting point is 00:26:58 The 54th weather reconnaissance squadron carried out the operation using the slogan, make mud, not war. Starting on March 20th, 1967 and continuing through every raining season until 1972. So this is what hell I was like, five years. What is that? Crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:14 They did cloud seeding missions where they had three CC 130 Hercules aircraft and two F4C Phantom aircraft. Well, they would literally fly over and seed the clouds. So like Kim Troll type stuff? I didn't say that. I mean, is that what it's like though? I mean, that's where the, that's where the origins of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 You seed it for more precipitation. It's just interesting that you would use it as like a weapon. Of course we use it as a weapon as opposed to just like, you know, using it at like countries that are, haven't had rainfall in decades, you know, to like help out humanity. They used that. We're just like lead iodide and silver iodide. They spray over the, um, that doesn't sound like it's healthy for now.
Starting point is 00:27:55 It doesn't. Precipitation is just, wow. I'm not gonna stick my mouth open and, you know. It was a chemical weather modification program. True. That's what it was. Wow. Isn't that insane? And that was way back then.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I know. So. Yeah, imagine, yeah, what we have now. I mean, that's the kind that I think a lot of people just don't want to like recognize the fact that we do have some really crazy messed up shit. Messed up things like now we can actually manipulate weather we can create you know wind we can replicate like earthquakes and like we have like ways to like mess with nature now that's scary yeah and it's like okay cool like playing god probably use it for good playing god or
Starting point is 00:28:41 you believe in one or not we're playing it it. You know what I'm saying? That's that's so do you. You're. Yeah. Do you, do you believe we got something crazy coming this year? Oh, because of election season? Yeah, you'd be dumb not to. I mean, I mean, like on the scale of like, uh, if, if COVID is like 10 crazy. Oh, like, like, uh, like an election stopping event.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Yes. Yeah. Like here's, here's my thought. Okay. Let's hear it. That's your. I think that there's a lot of hype leading that way. And a lot of people are trying to impose this fear. But I feel like there's a lot of fear already
Starting point is 00:29:17 that they're just going to ride this fear and nothing really is going to happen. In terms of like, what's the best thing to do is have everybody just constantly afraid and paranoid. That's like the best to manipulate people as opposed to having a real disaster. I, uh, that's a good question. Um, you know, the conspiracy theorist side of me is looking at the polls and the polls right now are showing Donald Trump leading in a, if a presidential election were to happen today, a general election, he obviously was crushed the primary, right? But a general election,
Starting point is 00:29:52 he's ahead some polls by five points, which is a big, pretty decent lead. Well, if he, if he has a strong lead leading up to the election, because all established, whatever you want to call them forces, they do not want him anywhere near the presidential position. They don't want him there at all. Everybody. You see the media, you see, I mean, it's just, it's just, there's a lot, right?
Starting point is 00:30:17 Whether you like him or not, there's a lot against them. So I don't know. The conspiracy theorist in me is like, yeah, they'll find a way to stop it or to make it so that Well, have they overturned these crazy states that have like took him off the ballot and also with with Biden, you'd see like the reaction on the right, like taking him off the ballot on like something like that. Like, is that how how is that that obviously it's unconstitutional? It is. But does it even matter if it's a state that he wouldn't win anyways?
Starting point is 00:30:48 I mean, that's what's happening. Yeah. The California is taking truck. It's like, who cares? Yeah. But then that's the then it's just like, well, it's rigged, you know, like at that point. Right. I mean, yeah, I'm not arguing like whether I think they're playing a stupid game. It's it is stupid. They're so it's irrelevant. If the states that he would get his ass kicked in no matter what, pull him off the ballot, then who gives a fuck?
Starting point is 00:31:08 Yeah. It's like, it's all just a game. Like, it's like, who cares at that point? Like, it would be different if they were like swing states that were happening or conservative states that were doing that, which that's not going to happen. They're not going to pull them off of that, right? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:21 So it's like these states that are like super blue that are doing it, it's like, okay, so you're making a statement, but what was that? I just find it ironic, I guess, doing it's like, okay, so what you're making a statement But what there's no I just find it ironic I guess because it's like you know you want to manipulate the way that people are allowed to vote and then you're trying to like come down Anybody that says that you know there was some fraud in the election I mean, I would be pissed if I was in that state that would bother me if I was in that state I'd imagine being in that state and actually wanting to wanting to well. Well, you have to write them in like that would be, that would be, you can still write them in.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Oh, you can't. Yeah. You can still write them in. Oh, they're just not there. It's just not a box for you. Now, what would be crazy is if they get more because of that. Yeah. Well, how funny would that be if it bites them in the ass?
Starting point is 00:31:59 They go out of their way to try and keep them on that. It would have been a blue state anyways. And then people ride it in because here's what a noise of shadow me it's the average the average voter of a noise of shadow me sorry but I they annoy me because we continue to vote we don't punish this dirty disgusting game of politics that they continue to play yeah I think it look when the Republicans win the Democrats say oh you guys cheated and then the then the Democrats don't really say oh you cheated. It's this stupid game.
Starting point is 00:32:26 We're going to impeach you game. We're going to do this game when you're in. And it's like, it just, all it does is it just sows the seeds of civil dis, like, you know, like crazy dysfunction. Voters, I wish voters were like, hey, asshole, you're playing a disgusting game. I don't want you anywhere in this. I'm not going to vote for you. I wish voters were like hey asshole you're playing a disgusting game. I don't want you anywhere. This I'm not gonna vote for you Yeah, I wish people would just do that fair, but they're so easily swayed by this garbage. It just makes me so mean
Starting point is 00:32:52 Meanwhile, they're getting lunch together. I mean, that's what's really. Oh, yeah, dude behind closed doors or yeah, they're all Doing it's the pepsi. They're doing hand closed doors Justin. Talking aliens. We're all wearing robes. I'd see you in chance. Drinking blood. We won. I won. No, we won. So what I was searching for from you is like, are we going to see like, like a spaceship landing?
Starting point is 00:33:22 So I think, oh, did you just tell me this about the lasers? Yeah, yeah, so they've had laser technology for a long time that they can shoot up into the sky. So this kind of proves the fact that, yeah, some of these UFOs were just basically holograms that they're like projecting to see if they could trick people in the blue. And obviously it worked.
Starting point is 00:33:44 So I love who was it? Was it you Adam that brought up that, that somebody said the reason why we're seeing more UFO stuff is to drum up more funding for space force to cause fear? That is the, that's the most plausible logical, right? Cause now you're, you need a threat. Yeah. You got to go into Congress and ask for money, you know, from the taxpayers. Well, cause there's this ultimate threat.
Starting point is 00:34:06 I mean, what's more of an ultimate threat than alien invasion? Well, and people are over the war, the welfare, all those things. So it's like, we need another big, big old money hole thing that we can just keep pouring money into that makes the most sense to me. Totally makes sense to me. And how smart is it to create all this stuff around it? Because then people who is, and right now it's like, okay, this is great. This isn't like a country. We're not killing other people. These are aliens and we do want to protect
Starting point is 00:34:30 ourselves from these aliens. Who's against building an army to protect ourselves from aliens. This makes a lot of sense. Like not a lot of people are going to push back against that. Just like we probably were 60, 70 years ago with war with other countries. Oh yeah. That's how it will be now with aliens. Because now we've all agreed that we're like, OK, we're all one. Nothing would unify. Oh yeah, it'll unify us the most. Nothing would unify people under a massive government
Starting point is 00:34:52 like an alien. Building spaceships real easy to hide billions of dollars. You know what I'm saying? Cut it hard. Cut it hard for a plane or a tank. Those are expensive. Yeah, spaceships are really expensive. Space bases? Yeah. Really expensive. Yeah. Spaceships are really expensive. Space bases. Yeah. Really.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Aircraft carriers. Gas. Gas. Get all the way out to space. Really expensive. You know what I'm saying? Like we got a lot of engineering. We got to build a base on Mars guys. How much that can cost? A few hundred trillion. 100% this is the direction we're going. I feel like that's so that's so obvious to me that that we're going to go that way. And it makes total sense to all these crazy showings and to eat like partially tell the story at these, these hearings and stuff like that. It's like in everything's no, no real facts. No one's dragging a body. No one's got a real proof or footage. It's just a bunch of hearsay
Starting point is 00:35:41 bullshit or fucking, uh, you know, holograms to make you think. And just here it comes. Yeah, you just got to keep the deception alive. Meanwhile, we're fighting left and right. And both of them agreed that whoever gets elected that the first big watch, you watch first. Yes, when you know the first big bill that gets passed is like a trillion dollars for our first space ship.
Starting point is 00:36:02 You know how everybody's always like, everybody's always like, they should just get along so they can get things done. When they get along, there's when you're gonna be like, oh no, they're getting shit done, that's not good. How did that bill pass so quickly? Oh my God. Hey, I was looking up some random strength facts.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Don't ask me why, but I looked up a gorilla, see how strong they are. Yeah. Do you know how much a gorilla could deadlift? Just a regular old gorilla. Oh, they actually put it to the test? They just estimate. Oh, I don't see a gorilla deadlift. Do you want to take a deadlift?
Starting point is 00:36:33 Just a run-of-the-mill gorilla on the street. I mean, I would guess they would be able to easily do 1,000 pounds plus. 1,800 pounds. 1,800 pounds. They don't even lift weights. And they're so sick. That's crazy though.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Cause I had a theory that most of these like vegetarian animals are not vegetarian completely. No, they're not. Because even they've shown that like deer, for instance, like they'll eat birds, they'll eat rodents, like, really? I didn't know that. Yeah. Because I mean, they're opportunists, like if, especially if it's like, you know, something that's on the ground and they'll just eat it. Yeah. Because their body still needs protein, they still need amino acids, they still need fat. Yeah, but their bodies break down plant sources pretty down well, and they have different, you know, digestives as well. I think, yeah, and I think evolutionarily, they've trained themselves to eat like specific
Starting point is 00:37:30 plants, but, but gorillas are just insane. Yeah, they're not considered carnivores, but they may consume meat. They're like omnivores in zoos. So they're omnivores. Yeah. They consume leaves, stems, bark, flowers and fruits, occasionally tiny vertebrae. It is. It is interesting that there, occasionally tiny vertebrae. It is. It is interesting that there, that there's no real vegetarian systems though. I've been able to, to, to live off of mostly plants and then to be able to hang on to that much muscle mass, considering how supposedly close they are. It's not true for all animals.
Starting point is 00:37:58 We can't hang on to muscle mass like that. No, it's not true for all animals are different. Put a lion on a vegan diet. They'll die. Yeah. So I know why it's interesting Is because they're so so much closer related to us than any other the then a lion you're much closer to that Chimps closer to us and chimps are they'll eat each other. Yeah chimps are crazy. They're considered omnivore also
Starting point is 00:38:18 Yeah, there's well monkeys are strong, bro. They are Remember that there was that one You see that shaved chimp? Like actually shaved the hair off. Have you seen that? One with no hair? Yeah. Have you seen it? Bro, look up shaved chimp.
Starting point is 00:38:32 I'm scared to see what comes up. I'm scared to see what they would just pop up with. Yeah, what kind of website are you wondering? Shavechimp.com, Doug. Can you believe that? Look at the, watch this this when it comes up here. Yeah, dude. Yeah, bro, they look like they're chimp.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Oh, it's scary, dude. They're just jacked, dude, like that. Lean looking, dude. But I mean, they'll like- That's a chimp on the top left over there? Yeah. Damn. Yeah, you know, a chimp, and a chimp is not huge, right?
Starting point is 00:39:00 How heavy is a chimp? What are they, like 160 pounds? 190, I mean, they're not like a gorilla is huge. Yeah. A chimp is not huge. If a chimp wanted to, it could grab you and then grab your arm. Not like that. And pull it off.
Starting point is 00:39:14 Pull your arm off your body. Lins and male champ is between 88 and 130 pounds. So a freaking 90 pound champ could take your leg and probably pull it off your body and throw it. Yeah. It's pure fast twitch muscle. It's ready to shred you. There was this one game show. It might have been a Japanese game show.
Starting point is 00:39:32 I'm only saying that because Japanese game shows are the best. Yeah, they're the best. They come up with the best ideas. They're amazing. There was one where it was like human versus animal. And there was this like 90 pound champ and he was playing tug of uh, like a sumo wrestler and a bodybuilder and whatever. And they were on the other end and they were just like, ah, and the chimp was just like, it looked like he was just kind of resting.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Yeah. And then his handler was telling him to pull and he'd like, pull. It's like he was like doing nothing and just people fly. Yeah. She really cool. You come up with the best idea. I know. The best game shit ever. Hey, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's really cool. You come up with the best idea. I know.
Starting point is 00:40:06 They're the best game shows ever. Hey, oh, Adam, I want to ask you. What's up? I've been reading about, so, and Terra is one of our partners. They have skincare products that are peptide based, and one of the main peptides in the skincare products is called GHKCU, which is just this really remarkable peptide. It's considered the best anti-aging peptide that exists. It's remarkable when you read about it.
Starting point is 00:40:30 And by the way, you could really tell when you use it. I mean, you could tell within three applications. It's just, you could feel your skin tighten and all this stuff. So it boosts the production of collagen. It also works on Alastin. And apparently when people inject GHK, it helps with their bladder with people who have issues with bladder. Now you have a small bladder.
Starting point is 00:40:51 You always got to pee every five seconds. Yeah. Have you noticed any difference? Like because you use topical GHK, but then I know you're using the injectable. I did, but I've gone through my injectable. So it'd be like, now you're making me like trying to think back. Like if I'd noticed that I went through a little phase there where I was getting up less times in the night and I can't, because I only, I only had about a month of that injectable.
Starting point is 00:41:11 So I already went through the injectable, you know, cycle of it. All I use the topical daily though. So the topical I rub like the, they told me to rub it on my psoriasis. So I use it. So I use entera for my face and then I use my, my other stuff for the psoriasis. So I use it. So I use entera for my face. And then I use my, my other stuff for the psoriasis, which is all, all of it's the GHK CU base. So they both have that I use the transcend one for my psoriasis. And then I use the entera one for my face. Yeah. So they have so on the study,
Starting point is 00:41:38 Well, so what will I still get it? I mean, I imagine it's getting into my, is it getting into my bloodstream? No, I'm more local, more local. It is local, doesn't get, doesn't penetrate. Yeah. If you rub it on your skin, it's on your skin into my, is it getting into my bloodstream? It's more local. It doesn't penetrate. Yeah. If you rub it on your skin, it's on your skin. That's, you'll get some systemically, but not like injecting. But there are reviews of human, human clinical trials, topical GHKCU creams, um, outperformed vitamin C products, vitamin K products, retinol
Starting point is 00:42:01 products, uh, matrix, uh, matrix, ol 3000. These are all like, like well known ways to improve the Vitamin K products, retinol products, matrix, matrix, 3000, these are all like, well-known ways to improve the appearance of your skin. It literally killed them all, it crushed them. It's also good against UV radiation and damage. So if you get a sunburn, put this on and it'll heal your skin, pretty interesting stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:23 I mean, I know it's not like a cheap like, you know, stack, but the caldera stack with the entera is like to me, like the gold stack. Oh, I'm using the peptide GHCKCU for my face. And then I use the caldera afterwards. Yeah. And then I use the caldera serum and then the base layer. And it's like those things that feel like have made a big difference. Oh yeah. Katrina's been on it now for a while too. She noticed a huge difference.
Starting point is 00:42:50 It's also good for wounds, scars and injuries. That's why they have it on my psoriasis. So yeah, they've used it on my psoriasis. And I can totally tell they're... Speaking of weird stuff, you know what I just learned about? That's been around for over a hundred years. That is just starting to make its way on social media. Have you guys seen posts of people sticking their tongue out and it's all blue
Starting point is 00:43:08 and they're like, Oh, I'm using XX whatever. Okay. It's something called methylene blue. Have you guys ever heard of this before? I thought I heard you say something about it because I brought it up. I brought it up off air and I was talking to Doug about it. So methylene blue and I spent around for a long time, a long time, like over a hundred years. It's, was a it was a dye product, but it resembles vitamin C. Otter pops or no, no, was I doing? No, no, I don't think they use methylene blue and other pop, but uh, but so it helps your mitochondria really boosts energy
Starting point is 00:43:43 production and mitochondria. And so I'm reading people are saying the craziest shit online. Okay, so I know this is my brain fog. It did this and did that. What doesn't help your mitochondria? Oh, I just got to call that a toxin. I mean, poor diet. Okay, so then does the opposite? Does good sleep help your mitochondria?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Does the sun help your mitochondria? Yes, but that's all. But that's not going to help. Straight training your mitochondria. But that's help your mitochondria? Yes, but that's all, but that's not going to help. Straight training. But that's not above and beyond what it would normally do. So like, yes, exercise and diet. So then you should attach that statement when you say stuff, because then when you, because I feel like it's getting to a point where we're like, and we're, we have products, right? Mitochondria is the new. Yeah, mitochondria is like, which is just very funny because it was really like the word I used to throw in.
Starting point is 00:44:24 It's how I used to make fun of you Let me say this word to sound smart real quick. Yeah. Yeah mitochondria How mitochondria health is affected in external influence if we're mitochondria can be compromised oxidative stress So it's a redox chemical is methylene blue meaning that it helps with oxidative stress and People are talking about it for like all kinds of crazy shit. The brain function, fatigue, gut health. Now I know this is social media land. Yeah. But what was interesting to me is that this has been around for so long.
Starting point is 00:44:53 I thought it was this new thing. And I looked it up. I feel like everything that comes out, we should have to have like, um, we should have to have sleep, diet, exercise. Yeah. Like like this, right? Like put up on a chart and then anything and everything that comes exercise. First. Yeah, like this, right? Like put up on a chart. And then anything and everything that comes out.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Yeah. Peptides, Juve lides. Ormonds even. Everything. Yeah. Should have to be put next to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:45:16 Like. To show the difference. Yes, to show that. So, because what I think happens, for a cause. It's like, it's like a, remember when you were a kid and you got your first car, because you didn't make any money, all of us didn't make any money.
Starting point is 00:45:27 So the first thing you did, what'd you do? Put a cane in our filter. Yeah. Spoiler on it right there. Ooh, I'm gonna put an air filter so it's faster. Got a whole four more horsepower. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:36 That's about 130, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's sort of, I mean, so, and just to put it in perspective for everybody, because we get inundated with all this great new science and these cool studies and all these great peptides and hormones and all this cool stuff. And it's just like, meanwhile,
Starting point is 00:45:52 we're fucking sleeping with our phones on our face till midnight one in the morning. We're scrolling like crazy, comparing ourselves to other people. So are they eating this? Yeah, you eat it. You eat it. By the way, Adam, you're ruining this whole fun with weird chemicals.
Starting point is 00:46:07 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Side of the, you know. There's a lot of people. Sal gets excited by new stuff. I know. Yes. I know.
Starting point is 00:46:14 I just, someone has to be the balance of that. You know, someone has to be the balance. Hey, we're not selling Methylene Blue. No. We don't have a product. That's why I feel like I'm feeling all over it. You're so shit all over it. Hey, by the way, Ben Greenfield, I messaged him because he's like,
Starting point is 00:46:27 of course, what did he say? Stick up your ass. No, he said, oh, he wrote a whole article on it. But he did. Yeah, Garrett, he did a whole article. Yeah. And because it's been around for so long, a lot of people use it. And I asked them, did you notice the difference?
Starting point is 00:46:38 He goes, yeah, I noticed some improvements in, you know, like brain fog and stuff like that. But then I read this article. I don't know what Ben, why does Ben always put everything as a suppository? Why does everything have to go up his butt? Like he talks about the different ways he uses. His preferred method. Yeah, and then boom, suppositories in there as well.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Like, come on, Ben, why everything does he wants to get into town? Maybe he's hacked into something we don't know about. You know what I'm saying? How to go viral? How to go viral? Stick it in your ass. How to go viral, stick it in your ass. Have you guys used Krayteam? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever put I'm saying? How to go viral? How to go viral? Just click through the bloodstream that way.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Have you guys used Krayteam? Yeah, yeah. You ever put it up your butt? Your ass. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've always said, and I still stand by this. I mean, he is the guy who, and I know he gets a lot of hate from people. You know what is weird about Ben?
Starting point is 00:47:17 When we see him, do you ever notice how young he looks? No, he's got incredible, in person, if you meet Ben. He looks really young for his age. And he has it. So what's interesting too is that he has, he has like gorilla hands. They had these big fat calloused fingers. So you could tell he just does climb shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Climbed shit all day long outside and it's all callous dirty. It looks like he hasn't cleaned his nails in like 10 years. But then he has like this gorgeous face that looks like it's like perfect skin and perfect hair. Out of a spa. Like, yeah, he just came from a spa. So it's like, you know, he's outside in the element. He's knocked the cucumbers off his eyes.
Starting point is 00:47:54 Yeah. It's just this interesting contrast. You know, he's out in the sun. He's out in the snow. He's always outside. His face should look weather. Would you say, okay, if all of our healthy friends in the space, yeah, would you say he looks the healthiest? Would you say he's the healthiest actually?
Starting point is 00:48:09 I would make that case. Uh, I don't know. He's so extreme. Who would you challenge there? Yeah. Who would you, okay, of our friends? That's a good question. We have a lot of health and fitness nuts.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Yeah. Who comes close to him to looking that way? No, no, no, no, who would you say is as healthy or healthier than Ben? Paul check. Oh, okay. Paul, Jack's going to be more balanced. Yeah. Paul, he's just as fucking weird. Well, no, no, hold on.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I'm just weird. He's more balanced. I guarantee you stuff. He probably stuck just as much as I was asked to. I love you, Paul. Hey, Paul, Paul and Ben. If Paul and Ben, I was like, oh no, just a talk. He likes to have fun.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Stop. Come on, Adam. I get you, Paul would say that. Listen, listen, Paul versus Ben in a weird off. Who wins in a weird off? Yeah, it's a weird off. Who wins? That's Ben and stuff that he does.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Paul are the things he talks about. I bet you have Paul's done some Okay, so let's so that's a good I would have two wives I would agree I would agree I would agree Paul is you have something to say no, I'm just my life Yeah, so he wants to make sure you have it all to be able to jump in you know shut this down if I Know this is actually I thought about this before and I've actually wanted to talk to the guys about this Because we have so many friends that are in hell space Yeah, and there's definitely a wide spectrum of like what I consider. They're all weird though
Starting point is 00:49:31 You know like most of our friends in space. Yeah, every one of them. Yeah, like are we weird? We're weird. Are we weird? I'm pretty sure. No way dude. We're the cool kids. 100% I can't speak for you guys. You're hell of a cool kid, but. You're super weird. OK, who's next? You sit down to pee. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Which I'm starting a revolution. I know you are. You're selling him some art. Peter Bargerjelly, dog. This is like I'm changing people's lives. And the dishwasher. Peter Barger first sit down on the toilet. Wait till I write my book.
Starting point is 00:50:02 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That'll be a new man. Nothing to do with fitness. Hainted toilet. OK till I write my book. You know what I'm saying? That'll be a new man. Nothing to do with fitness. Okay. Who's next? Who's next? Who's next? We got Paul and Ben arguably wanting to. I think that's I don't think anybody could disagree with that. Yeah Who comes next? You know who's weird that you wouldn't think is weird But when you get to know him you're like you're fucking weird, bro. Who Mike Matthews Yeah, he would also be out there and healthy for me and he's a different type of healthy because he's like a little more balanced. He's too stressed, bro. He's in a way.
Starting point is 00:50:27 No way. Mike? Matthews? Yes. He's a stress machine, dude. He's not stressed. Yes. You are way more stressed than he is.
Starting point is 00:50:34 I didn't say, I'm not comparing anybody against myself. In the context of stress. Mike is stressed, bro. He's not. Mike is, okay, Mike is Mr. Conspiracy Theory with you guys and like, oh, like over the top of that, but he has a different attitude about it. He has like, he has a comedic approach to it. Like he like laughs at it.
Starting point is 00:50:51 It's like ridiculous. No man. He was just, he talks about, he can't sleep and all that stuff. I think he's, yeah, oh yeah. Really? Oh yeah. Well, he's not told me that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:59 But okay. So he's, but then you can't put him on. We're not about healthy. Yeah. Oh, healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Who are our healthiest people for sure.
Starting point is 00:51:05 I think Paul and Ben are one and two. Dr. Cabral, I thought I'd put him up there. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know what? He could arguably pass one of those.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Well, maybe. He worked so hard, you know, that might take away a little bit, right? Cabral is pretty. He's like, workaholic. He only has white shirts too. That's it. It's like, did you ever notice that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:25 I've met Cabral at least 20 times. I've only seen him in a white shirt. He has a closet just of all white shirts. He does. He really does. That's got to be unhealthy. No. That's good.
Starting point is 00:51:34 I don't know. There's something unhealthy about it. Simplicity. He cuts out all the options. That was a good one, though. That was a good one to add. I think Cabral would be up there with probably one of our healthiest friends, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. We might be weird, good one though. That was a good one to add. I think Cabral would be up there with probably one of our healthiest friends for sure.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Yeah, yeah. I don't know. We might be weird too though. I think I'm pretty sure we're up there. That's all I'm trying to say right now. In different degrees. This wasn't supposed to go, I mean we went weird with those guys. I was more curious of ranking our super.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Just the thing about this, how many people without throwing people onto the bus, I feel like there's a lot of people in the health and fitness space that are, are way more unhealthy than people realize. That are like riddled with stress that overdue, overdue their training, overdue their dieting. That's why I was trying to think of some and then I'd be like, Oh yeah. Not that person. Maybe that person.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Maybe that person. There's a lot like that, bro. I mean, you're going to find more, I mean, we've said this so many times, you'll find more dysfunction in our space than you will in others. You know, and part of it too is just society, right? Because we, we, we are just off air. We are watching David Goggin's story, right? And we tend to, as a society, glorify the extremes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:43 I mean, he's, he had a terrible childhood. Oh, yeah, and he's obviously found a way to cope and the way he copes is with dysfunction through Exercise and discipline and all that stuff. Yeah, and people are like, oh, I wish I could be like that. No, you don't You don't want to wish you could be like that. That's turmoil. Yeah, that is a lot of turmoil on the inside Yeah, no way and I think that's what happens to a lot of, I think a lot of people is that they, they have found a way to overcome this trauma or this crazy thing and they have turned it into a superpower. Better than being an alcoholic. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. But I think that's what happens though. And then we,
Starting point is 00:53:18 then we put them on a pedestal as like they're the epitome of health or that this is what we should aspire to be like, not really understanding the mechanisms that have caused them to be this way. Yeah. And then they might not even be happy. Yeah. You know, sometimes you look at these high producers and you're like, oh, wow, that's awesome.
Starting point is 00:53:35 What is it Elon? What's an Elon on an interview? And I don't remember, what is it? Joe Rogan. He's like, so is it hard to be you or what? And you could tell he was like fighting back tears. He's like, he's, he's tormented. Yeah. And that's why he creates and works's like, he's tormented. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:45 And that's why he creates and works so hard. He's tormented. Yeah. He just has always, it is, he feels like he has to birth them all out. Yeah. While he's here. Oh, crazy. Hey, uh, NCI is doing something.
Starting point is 00:53:55 I, we need to mention this in today's episode. Doug, can you bring that up? They have a plug and play. The, so what they're calling is a plug and play system that every coach needs. So, uh, this is a plug and play system that every coach needs. So this is a coaches toolkit. And I believe, are they offering this to people who go on the link, Doug? Is that what's going on?
Starting point is 00:54:11 It's free. That's it, yeah, they go to the link and it's free. Okay, so it's what you need to generate leads, what you need to turn those leads into playing clients, how to onboard those clients. It's a toolkit that you can get for free by going to the link that we're gonna provide. What is that? ncimindpump.com forward slash toolkit 2024.
Starting point is 00:54:28 Wanted to say that because that's a pretty cool. Since you brought up NCI, we should also mention to everybody that we were in Florida, right? In April? Yes, April. April, we're there for the coaching. Oh yeah, that'll be a good time. Yeah, yeah. So we're there for that and we're in Arnold.
Starting point is 00:54:40 So we got Arnold coming up first. Arnold is what, in February? No, March. March. Sorry, we're in February right now. Arnold coming up first Arnold is what in February? No, March March March March first through the second so around the corner. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's like here So if you're planning on going to Arnold we and we are gonna do a meet and greet So we're where it went exactly what day or what that we will be there. We will do a meet greet So where is that gonna be by the way? Are we Ohio? It It's Ohio always. Isn't it always? I believe so, yes. Yeah, I think so.
Starting point is 00:55:06 You know, I went to the Arnold once and it was there. And then I went to the Arnold, and then I went outside the Arnold to try and see what else there's to do. And there's nothing. There's nothing on Ohio. Nothing. It's Ohio, dude.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Yeah. That was one of our best live events, so you know that? Yeah. It was one of our best live events. I really liked that. It was unfortunate that happened right when COVID did and we didn't get a chance to do the event because I'd never been to Arnold. I've only been to Olympia, and everyone says that.
Starting point is 00:55:31 That's right. We went out there for that event, and everybody was scared of COVID, and we came back, and I got hell of sick, but it wasn't COVID. At least I thought maybe I was. We really get sick, but Doug got sick first, gave it to me, everybody got sick. I don't remember that. first gave it to me I got everybody got sick. Yeah, I don't remember that you give to me Doug. I did. I did. You always do We got a shout out a Different shout out today. Well, it's been a while since we shot it out a show. I found a show
Starting point is 00:55:58 I think Doug's already seen it and I forget what I want to say I found it on Apple, but it might be like connected to Peacock or one of those other ones like that. I know I can pay for it through Apple. Uh, slow horses. It's good. You guys would like it. Both of you guys would like it.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Slow horses. Yeah. It's a, what is, is it MI4 is the, the British version of MI5 or MI5, the British version of the CIA. Yeah. Isn't that what it is? Okay. So it's like basically that what's interesting or what I'm enjoying about it.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Like I've already gone through almost the first season. I think there's three seasons of it right now is you can't help but think of like all the political games that are played in the United States. It's worldwide. This stuff happens all over. Sounds good. Yeah. So you guys would like it. It's a good acting, good storyline to it. Um, really enjoying it. So check it out. One of my favorite protein powders is made by a company called Paleo Valley. It is a collagen based bone broth
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Starting point is 00:57:20 And that link will give you an automatic 15% off your first order. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Clint from Illinois. What's happening, Clint? How come man? Hey, hey, good afternoon gentlemen. Um, thanks for taking my question. This is the second time I've been on. So I feel like I kind of won the fitness lottery here, getting to talk to you guys
Starting point is 00:57:40 twice. So how'd that happen? This is awesome. We got to talk to the assistant. People slide and slip them through. Yeah. Uh, maybe my fault. Um, so, um, this go around. I just want to say, um, like I'm 39 turning 40. I've got six of your programs. So I've been following you guys for years. Uh, you guys are great. Um, I'm like some of the callers too, you know, don't have any of your programs after following you for years, which makes no sense to me
Starting point is 00:58:06 Those are my favorite. So Yep There they are mine too in a very frustrating way So anyway, you used to be big in a longer Long endurance events have cut back dramatically And so like what my fitness routine now is from October through March, I use that timeframe to kind of bulk up and do my strength training, which generally results around anabolic aesthetic, sometimes hit. And I bought maps 15, which haven't done yet. And
Starting point is 00:58:38 then when the summer hits, I like to get outside. So I'll do farmer carries, some rocking. I still run three to four times a week when I can. But one thing that I've found is that I still kind of lack that feel good hormones I get from running. And so what I like to do occasionally is do a dip in the cold plunge, because I feel like I can get in that for three minutes and I get the same after effects as it would if I went out for a five or six mile run.
Starting point is 00:59:02 But I've been hearing through various sources like Andrew Huberman and other people that it can blunt the effect of muscle growth. And so Huberman says to do it four hours after a session, at least there's other people out there like the dude from reticence, periodization that says like maybe don't do it at all. I figured you guys would be a good middle ground
Starting point is 00:59:22 to see what your thoughts are and if I am doing it Like if I'm running in a ball, like should I be doing this during my on my trigger session days or later in the day after my workout? like right now I'm on week three of Aesthetic like maybe not doing it all since the focus sessions are a little bit more intense And like with turning 40, you know, I want to maximize my gains And I don't want to like blunt anything with being older. It's like right now since October To current I've put on about 22 pounds and I'm feeling good So just wanted to get your advice on when I should do it or if not at all and the timing of it That's a good question. Here's why I like this question so much, Clint, because it highlights
Starting point is 01:00:09 the idiocracy. It highlights the idiocracy in the health and fitness space. So I'll give you another example, okay? If you look at a ketogenic diet and you look at the mechanisms of energy production through that, what you'll find is higher rates of fat oxidation, right? Cause you're not eating carbohydrates or your body's using fat and turning it into ketones. So then what people would do is they would deduce from that and say, you burn more body fat on a, keep on a ketogenic diet. Now later on they did studies where they actually looked at fat loss,
Starting point is 01:00:40 not just fat oxidation. And what they found was it doesn't result in more fat loss. It's the calorie deficit that makes a difference. If anything, protein has more of an influence on fat loss just through the muscle building process. All right, why am I saying this? When you do a cold dip or an ice bath, what they're looking at are markers of inflammation
Starting point is 01:00:59 that have also been shown to signal muscle growth. What we have yet to see is a study that actually looks at the end of a 18 week, 24 week, 36 week, whatever study to show, okay, this group ice bath, this group didn't, who built more muscle? All we see are these markers that are changing. Um, now even with the markers that are affected, you're looking at a nominal, nominal effect.
Starting point is 01:01:23 I would, I would bet you that if we compared two groups of people, one ice bath, one didn't, the benefits of the ice bath, so long as all other things are controlled and good and everybody's healthy, would outweigh the negatives and you would probably see no difference in muscle growth because although you might have a blunted signal, that slightly blunted signal, what you know, a slightly blunted signal. Well, you'll also find is the ability to train harder, more frequently, increase volume, et cetera. So I, here's the best time to do your ice bath whenever you want.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Uh, it's not going to, it's not going to affect your progress at all. You are finding benefit from it, a mental benefits, which I think are the benefits that we need to focus on. Like I feel good. I feel energized, that's why I do it. And I think that's great. I think just do it whenever you want. I don't think there's a wrong time to do it. I definitely don't think there's a wrong time to do it. I do think there is a more optimal, which would be pre-workout.
Starting point is 01:02:18 I think as a pre-workout, it's incredible. Yeah, I mean, if you haven't done a nice bath right before you get into a lift, it's actually one of my favorite feelings ever. You get this massive adrenaline rush. Uh, I feel like I can get right into my lift and I feel amazing, uh, afterwards. Uh, but to Sal's point, like it's such a splitting hair difference on, you know, your gains and building muscle.
Starting point is 01:02:42 And you have to ask yourself like like, what are the cognitive benefits and just also the mental benefits of doing hard things and overcoming that that you get from that. So it's not as simple as like, Oh, doing this is you're going to build a little bit less muscle this way. It's like, there's a compounding effect of doing hard shit when you don't want to do it. And there's also that, also the mental benefits of, okay, how much more productive are you throughout the rest of your day? And are you a better father? And I mean, it's like, there's so many other things
Starting point is 01:03:12 that it could be carrying over to that isn't just specific to building muscle. And the stuff that the studies that show that it blunts some of that, it's so, so small. It's not even worth having a debate over. But of course, because we live in this social media world where this type of stuff, you know why it's making its rounds of the negative stuff is because it blew up
Starting point is 01:03:35 and got so popular. And so now it'll become popular to send the counter message of why it's so bad. You'll get more hits on social media. Yeah, and they're gonna highlight that just because it's click bait and it's stuff bad. You'll get more hits on social media. Yeah, and they're gonna highlight that just because it's clickbait and it's stuff that people wanna like argue and debate about. But really, are you really that consistent
Starting point is 01:03:52 in terms of like, if you were to incorporate that on days that you work out, would this be just as consistent as your workouts, I guess is my question. Because in terms of like how you structure that, I would honestly like probably go probably later beyond your workout in terms of letting that, you know, allowing your body to have that natural bit of inflammation, but then, you know, towards the end of the day, you know, maybe apply it then or do the pre before the workout.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Honestly, it's not gonna make a huge difference. So really it's like, to Sal's point, it's kind of like really up to you in terms of like how often you apply it. Yeah, and I was only doing it three times a week, four times at most. And the whole inflammation bit, like I'm pretty against insets as a whole.
Starting point is 01:04:45 And so the cold therapy, I was like, well, hopefully it's not like hitting, like, you know, taking Tylenol and Motrin and stuff. And, you know, to the point where it's kind of keeping me off of that chronic cardio bandwagon, the fact that I can do this and have that same effect. It's made that, it's less than that addiction to have to go out and pound the pavement.
Starting point is 01:05:02 That makes it worth it by itself right there. Yeah. Right. That alone is is enough of a reason if you are a client of mine, say, yeah, let's keep doing it and I really don't give a shit when you do it. I want you to do it whenever it's most convenient for you. Now, in a perfect world, you could do it before we work out. But I don't as if you were my client, I wouldn't give a shit if you told me that
Starting point is 01:05:24 right there that you get that kind of benefit from it, that's enough to cancel out the bullshit that's out there on the negatives. So- Look, Clint, to put it differently, you know, it does make you feel better. It does reduce inflammation. Now, we act like those things happen in a vacuum
Starting point is 01:05:42 in regards to our behaviors. It doesn't, right? If you reduce inflammation, you get those feel good chemicals that are produced from the cold bath. It influences your behaviors. Well, what might that do for your behaviors? You might work out a little more. I mean, if you're a fitness fanatic, you, if you're a fitness fanatic, you're probably able to train more and not result in as much damage to the body, uh, which is probably going to offset any, I definitely would offset any
Starting point is 01:06:09 potential negative muscle building, whatever. Uh, but people are putting so much focus on this. It's ridiculous. It's literally a complete waste of time. The only people I would tell to not cold, uh, do cold dips or cold baths are people who's stress bucket is so high that the additional stress from the cold, that was Doug. Yeah. Doug got, Doug got recommended not to do it from Cabral.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Right. Like your cortisol is all over the place and you've got bad sleep and all that stuff. Then I'd say, yeah, let's not, let's not have you do it. But otherwise it's, it's totally fine. And the time of day, if it, as long as it doesn't interfere with sleep, like you probably don't want to do it right before bed or something like that, you're totally fine. Oh yeah. No. Yeah. Right. Awesome. Great sound advice. And it's, you know, it's not one extreme of the other. So I greatly appreciate it. So yeah, I'll just, as soon as the temperature
Starting point is 01:07:01 outside gets above 20 degrees, I'll be popping back outside and doing it. Yeah, Clint, are you in our forum? Yeah, in the forum I've got Performance hit aesthetic anabolic anywhere 15. I mean I've run the gambit. You guys have been it's been great programming I follow it to a tee every time and I've seen nothing but great results and Like low to no injuries. So it's it's it's been good now. I do all of it from home I've got a squat rack and I'm impressed so I'm missing some of the hamstring stuff But other than that, it's it's good now
Starting point is 01:07:34 I see here that you did maps on a ball. I can got your deadlift from 155 to 315 Wow Yeah, and that was and that's because that's all the weight plates that I have right now. So that's, Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. That's phenomenal. Hey, can I send you,
Starting point is 01:07:50 Yeah, great. Can I send you maps, can I send you Maps Prime Pro, Clint, or something like that to kind of help with the, you know, if you need any correctional exercise, you have that? I don't. Yeah, that'd be, I mean, that's great. I'm not looking to get anything,
Starting point is 01:08:02 but if you want to send it my way, that'd be, I would greatly appreciate it. Yeah, we'll send it over. Okay. Yeah, thanks a lot I mean, that's great. I'm not looking to get anything, but if you want to send it my way that I would greatly appreciate it Yeah, we'll send it over Okay. Yeah, thanks a lot guys. I appreciate it. You got it. Take it easy. Hey and hey and stay safe it out there in California I heard you guys are getting some pretty nasty weather. Yeah, it's nasty in the context of California All right. Take it easy. All right. It is funny.
Starting point is 01:08:24 I had some neighbors that are not from California and they're like, it's so funny how everybody just freaks out to this windy. They're like, they're just over. It's not that bad. Like one tree fell over and it was like freaking out over here. It was scary and all that stuff. But yeah, this whole thing with the cold dip is you hit the nail on the head at him. It got so popular that then it became smart on social media to counter it.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Yes. And a great scary message is it plus the muscle building signal. Yeah. But I, I bet you if they did a study and looked at strength gains and muscle gains and compared both groups, I bet you it would be nominal. I mean, it also reminds me very, it's very similar to the, you know, the popularity of fasting, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:03 And the benefits that are attached to that. It's like people argue the wrong thing about it, like talking about fasting and building muscle and stuff like that, or losing body fat. It's like, that's the wrong reason to even do that. The cold punch, same thing. If you're cold plunging to try and get jacked, it's not the best reason to cold punch, is to get jacked. I guess what I was trying to clumsily get to was like, nobody's that consistent with ice baths. Let's be fucking honest.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Yeah. They can like purport that like, well, if I do it after this time and like, you're not going to do it that often. I'm going to be honest with you. Like, and if you do, then, you know, maybe we can talk, but it's not even going to make that big an impact anyways. Well, and then what Sal said, it's like, I don't even care if a study does come out and show that, oh, this group built more muscle.
Starting point is 01:09:48 It's like, okay, well, did they follow you around and see if you were a better dad and a better husband and that you were more productive at work or that you were more focused when you sat down to read. Yeah, there's like all these other cascading effects that come from the benefits of doing that. And it's like, even in an isolated study with two, two groups where one did ice bath every single day, one never did ice bath, who built more muscle. Even if it came back that the group that didn't do it built a little bit more muscle.
Starting point is 01:10:14 It wouldn't be enough for me to tell people not to do it because it has other benefits just like fasting. It's like, I think if someone came out with a study, it showed, oh, the people that fasted didn't build as much muscle as the people that it's like, that doesn't matter because that's not the reason why't build as much muscle as the people that it's like, that doesn't matter because that's not the reason why I'm encouraging people to do it. So not everything you do has to do with building muscle, right? Burning body fat.
Starting point is 01:10:31 And yet, and to your point again, that, you know, you have to ask yourself too that, okay, so maybe it blunts the signal a little bit, you build, you know, a fraction less muscle. But because of that, you now can train harder or train an extra day. Better technique, you now can train harder or train an extra day. You got better technique. You got better mental benefits. Yeah. So, you know, so then you got to, how do you factor in the increased volume or
Starting point is 01:10:51 intensity because you now are, so it's like, come on, dude. All right. So our next caller is Dave from Oklahoma. Dave, what's up, man? What up, Dave? Hey, gentlemen, thanks for taking my call. My question. I, um, I love what you guys do.
Starting point is 01:11:07 I'm a father and an entrepreneur as well. And so I always love it when you guys dial into those subjects. I get a lot from those conversations. So, hey, thanks. I'll jump right in. So I'm on week eight of Maps Power Lift. I've run Aesthetic a couple times and Symmetry and decided I really want to get good at those foundational lifts that you guys keep talking about and maybe set a couple times and symmetry and decided I really want to get good at those those foundational lifts that you guys keep talking about and maybe set a couple more PRs before I get put out to pasture here. And so during that process, I actually started looking into like powerlifting competitions and meets and decided that it might be fun to give it a shot.
Starting point is 01:11:43 and decided that it might be fun to give it a shot. And so I actually went to my first one a couple weeks ago as a spectator and looked at some of the totals of what people are lifting and felt like I could potentially be competitive. But one of the things that I've learned that I'm doing wrong or that I need some advice on is, especially on the bench, I have always been doing bench presses where I kind of stop at the parallel with my elbows.
Starting point is 01:12:08 I've heard that that was like better for your shoulders or whatever. I don't know if that's right, but they obviously have to touch your chest. And as I went back and I started benching that way, so my lift would actually count as a good lift according to the judges. I've lost a lot of strength doing that, like 20 or 30 pounds on my bench,
Starting point is 01:12:27 which is really, really frustrating. Just those couple inches matter, boys. I didn't know if you had any suggestions or advice on things I could do to train that range of motion, just that lower range of motion. And any the other general advice that you'd have for someone that wants to compete in their first powerlifting competition at the age of 39. I got some really good news for you, Dave, about that. So I remember that this was one of the biggest leaps I saw in gains on my chest. So our national certifications as trainers, when we were all, you know, in our early twenties, Sal teenager, when we took these, actually
Starting point is 01:13:11 recommended that clients only went down to 90 degrees. And that's just for Ben and your elbow. Yeah, for safety reasons, right? So this, and that was, this is one of the things that we talked about later on of like, you know, this is like, not ideal. Ideally, you take clients through full range of motion, we were taught to have them stop at 90 degrees. So of course, you know, this is like not ideal. Ideally, you take clients through full range of motion. We were taught to have them stop at 90 degrees. So of course I trained that way myself for many years. And I remember like learning that,
Starting point is 01:13:31 oh no, I should go the full range and all the way down and like how much I had to reduce the weight. But what's great, it's like, it's almost like finding a new exercise when you haven't done that for most of your life. And even though you're weaker initially when you first started, the gains will come on fast if you stick to it. Just don't bail on it, right? A lot of guys will happen as a big, oh, fuck this, I'm way stronger going down to 90.
Starting point is 01:13:52 I don't want to have to reduce the weight. If you throw that out the window and you actually do keep focusing on that, you'll watch your, your strength come up and you'll see the development in your chest blow up more than you have probably in a very long time in your life. Two, I guess two hacks that I had a similar issue for a bit, but really focused on deep dips and then weighted dips at the very lowest position with that and grinding my way out and then also overhead press and starting in the rack position. So very much in the lower position with the bar. So not up here where, you know, the bodybuilder kind of elbows are, uh, so all the way down and in and like keeping that shoulder packed and then pressing from
Starting point is 01:14:34 that, um, from that angle, like both of those, you know, from, from a dead position there and grinding your way through and just keep adding, just keep at it and keep working on the strength there. It's going to help tremendously. I'll give you the two, the two exercises or modifications you could do that'll get this up the fastest. One is to pause your bench press at the chest. Okay. Very simple. Bring the bar down to your chest, touch your chest. Don't rest the bar on your chest, but keep everything tight. Hold it for three to four seconds and then press up. That'll get that is adding an isometric component in the portion of the rep that your weakest And that'll get your strength up very quickly in that bottom portion within a few months You'll be up to your normal bench press just from doing that alone. The other one is to do a
Starting point is 01:15:16 Press off the bottom pins. So you essentially get underneath a barbell that's set to your chest You kind of have to shimmy yourself underneath it, get real tight, and then press it off the rack. So you don't have the opportunity of lowering the weight before pressing it. One word of caution is go much lighter. Floating? I'm sorry?
Starting point is 01:15:35 Exploding, or isn't it explosive press, or is this a normal press? You can work up to an explosive one, but start off very controlled, because without lowering the weight You're gonna feel a lot looser at the bottom. You'll see when you try it You don't have the the stretch reflex You don't have the the built-up energy from from the negative portion of the rep But if you get good at that and you'll get real strong at the bottom now the irony of the you know
Starting point is 01:16:00 Certifications in those early days. They don't teach this anymore Or you know that people say it's safer to stop at 90 degrees. The irony is that although the technique is easier, this is where they say the safety it's safer because it's, it's safer in the sense that it's, it's easier to learn that way. But the irony is it actually increases your risk of injury down the line because what ends up happening is you end up getting strong in a shortened range of motion. And then the disc getting strong in a shortened range of motion.
Starting point is 01:16:25 And then the discrepancy between that range of motion and the deeper range of motion starts to get so big that if you ever have to move out of something deep, you have no stability and you injure yourself. So this is the, like the paradox of short range of motion. People go, I do short range of motion because it doesn't hurt. They actually increase the risk of injury later on because they're actually so They're unfamiliar.
Starting point is 01:16:48 They're unfamiliar outside this range of motion. And in fact, you can see people start to move in a very tight way as a result of it because the body tries to keep them in the range of motion that they train. So it's actually worse for you to not learn the technique and strengthen in those full range of motion. Yes. So it's just going to take you some time to familiarize yourself with that, that, that range of motion at the bottom to, to be able to generate force there.
Starting point is 01:17:11 So really spending that extra bit of time, like if you're talking about on the pins and like from the very bottom position, generating the force almost isometrically and then pressing is going to help a lot. You just have to train your body to be able to produce force. That's it Okay, well, I appreciate it guys I'm I'm kind of going through this journey Solo more or less with with your programs and just trying to figure it out as I go
Starting point is 01:17:35 so any advice is awesome and I appreciate you guys taking the time to talk to me and Adam if you ever want to watch good basketball, you should come to OKC. I'll take you to a game. Oh hell yeah. Nice. I would love to do that. We got places out there. Maybe I'll make an excuse to come travel out there sometime. And it's fun, man.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Thank you guys. Right on. They stick to it. I'm telling you right now, this is some of the best gains I ever had in my chest was when I switched from 90 down to that and the two things that Justin suggested were two of the biggest things that made a difference for myself personally. So just just work out with that. I'll let you know how it goes. All right, brother. Good luck.
Starting point is 01:18:13 Yeah, they don't teach that anymore. The 90 degree type deal. And in some day I don't think so. Oh, I think they do. I don't see anybody doing that anymore in the gyms. I don't see trainers training that way anymore It's because they listen to my pump. Maybe yeah, we may have influenced that a little bit I mean isn't it funny though because when I train like that where I stopped at 90 and overhead press and a bench press I had worse shoulder stability. Of course more shoulder. Yeah, no hundred percent. So we're harm than good It causes far more harm than good to do it that way
Starting point is 01:18:45 No, 100%. So it causes far more harm than good to do it that way. Um, but and then, and then the isometric part, man, that, that made my, my strength go up so quick. And that's for any lift for anybody watching this. Yeah. If there's a part of the rep that you're doing where you're weak, if you just pause there for three, four seconds, you're gonna have to go lighter to do so. But it's just every time you do a rep, you pause it. That's it. Yeah. Power lifts are great at that. Yes. Being able to segment different portions of the lift Yes, like focusing on that it helps a lot our next caller is Julian from Tennessee. Well, yeah, what's up? How can we help you? What's going on guys?
Starting point is 01:19:14 What's up, dude? What's up? All right, you want me to just read off my question first. Yeah, do it do it All right, all right So I started my fitness journey in September, 2018. I was about 100 or 250 pounds. In about a year and a half, I was able to lose 50 pounds, mostly by doing bro splits, six days a week while doing cardio three to five times a week and jujitsu four to six times a week. I wasn't really tracking back then. But when I was tracking, I'd hit about 130 grams of protein at about 2300 calories.
Starting point is 01:19:46 Then COVID hit. I gained all the way back. And then I started to hit the gym again in July 2021 by doing six days a week split and doing Jiu Jitsu six days a week. I was not tracking, but I did start cutting out some certain foods and was intermittent fasting, which helped. But then I eventually hit a plateau about a year later in October of 2022, which is when I went, when I found you guys and started tracking again. And around that time, my wife found an online coach with first form, which did help me out. But around the third or fourth month with the coach, he started putting me on a pretty aggressive cut while suggesting facet cardio in the morning, 10,000 steps a day, plus 20 minute hit sessions
Starting point is 01:20:24 on non full body workout days But after about three months my mood and energy were being affected So when I told him this he said it was just my body adjusting and eventually go away But never improved and he didn't want to change my macros So I dropped him started doing a burst diet in June of last year and went up all the way to 3000 3000 calories I put on about 20 pounds on the scale, but my lifts have all gone up to deadlifting, 315 squatting, 295 benching, 225.
Starting point is 01:20:51 And I was just wondering the weight on the scale is that normal? Should I be on the cut? Some people on the private forum were saying that I should be on the lock cut for longer than six weeks because I did do a cut down to 2,500 calories during the holidays. And then do I do cardio? I'm walking 10,000 steps a day,
Starting point is 01:21:10 sometimes a little bit more when it's nice out like today. But so should I do more cardio? Should I cut? Just needing some advice here guys. All right. So what's the goal with the cardio? Why do more cardio? Why would you want to do more of it? Is it because you enjoy it?
Starting point is 01:21:25 It's something you really like to do or is it for the weight loss? Mostly for the weight loss. I really hate cardio. I'm kind of like fat Amy, don't put me down for cardio. The answer is no then. Now with your history, Julie, I'm going to tell you right now that you have a history of chronically overtraining, like way overdoing it. So it's no surprise that you lost weight, gained it back, lost weight, gained it back a few times.
Starting point is 01:21:50 So knowing that you have that tendency, I'm gonna tell you no, don't do any cardio, stick to traditional strength training. If you wanna go on a cut at 2,500 calories, that's okay. That's not too low of calories. Although I'd like to see you stay in this kind of Strength phase for a little longer. Yeah, just to get you out of that mindset You have a
Starting point is 01:22:13 How's your relationship with exercise and stuff now? Like do you have that kind of a personality where you just tend to you know, you're all or nothing all or nothing or your You're you're you're feel like it's distracting you for something or what's the deal with it? Yeah, yeah, I used to definitely be the chronic overtrainer. I think just finding you guys really helped that I Definitely like the map's anabolic style. I've done maps on a ball twice aesthetics twice personal warmings twice and I'm on strong now So I definitely started to rewire my brain a little bit more on that, but I'm always like, what can I do more? What can I do more? Just because I do don't feel comfortable in my skin at the moment, but I'm like, okay, patients just, you know, tell me, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:57 do what they say and just be patient with it. You might be in a the Goldilocks zone right now. That's why I'm before I give advice on what to, to go from where you're at, I don't know if I want to move you because if you're eating 3000 calories, which is a good amount of calories for your size, healthy, and you're seeing strength go up, my question would be one, how, how, how long or how consistent have you actually done body fat testing? Like I would actually have loved to see where your body fat test was before the 3,000 calories or the increase of 3,000 calories where it is now.
Starting point is 01:23:32 And then probably have you check back in in two to three weeks again for me so I can see it. Maybe where you're at right now is a really nice place and I don't know if you necessarily need to cut right now. So do you have any idea of where the body fat percentage was before the 3000 calorie bump and where it is now? No, so I just started doing that, I would say right around the holidays, just because my brother and I were just, we're trying to both get fit and we did a body, you know, did the whole measuring around the wrist and all that stuff. So I was about 33% body fat. That was at the beginning of the year. But I haven't checked my weight since then. I really haven't checked measurements since then.
Starting point is 01:24:16 And I really didn't want to up until maybe about April or so. Just kind of wait the 90 days out to just kind of see where I'm at. The only reason why I would suggest doing it sooner than later is just so that we can get an idea of if maybe nothing needs to be changed and you just need to keep heading this direction, right? So for example, if we bumped to 3,000 calories since the beginning of the year and you're not gaining any body fat, especially if your body fat percentage has stayed the same or gone down, we're doing really good. It's just in people that, that, that are chronic overtrainers that already know,
Starting point is 01:24:50 you know, you have kind of a tendency, this tend to do this to themselves. They sabotage themselves, not even realizing it. Like they're actually doing really good and actually moving in the, the perfect direction, but because it's not happening fast enough or they feel like they can do more, they change, they change everything up. And then you end up shooting yourself in the foot when it's like, actually we're perfect where we're at. So I'd love for you to get a body fat test again and see where you're at.
Starting point is 01:25:15 And what, what I'd be looking for is with that increase of calories, did your body fat percentage stay the same or go down? If it stayed the same or went down, you're probably in a really good place right now. Now, if it went up, say a few percent, and you also gained weight on the scale, then maybe we need to adjust your calories a little bit and reduce a little bit. But I have a feeling you might be in a nice little sweet spot
Starting point is 01:25:38 right now, and it's just purely, you just need to string some time together of being consistent with the reverse, like trying to build strength, because I think that's serving you right now. Both metabolically, strength-wise, building muscle-wise, I think it's probably, you're probably in a good place. Yeah, I agree. Julian, you mentioned you feel uncomfortable in your skin. Is that a feeling that you felt for a long time before you got to 250, all that stuff? Is this something like looking
Starting point is 01:26:01 back? Do you feel like, oh, I'm just uncomfortable? Okay. So Yeah, yeah, I mean even in high school. I was 140 pounds and I was like, I don't like this. Okay, so you got there's some there's something underlying here and the and the workouts aren't gonna fix it or or shall I say The results from the workouts aren't gonna fix it now if you use your workouts As a way to become more present as a way to feel your body more as a way to become more present, as a way to feel your body more, as a way to become more comfortable within your own skin, then it can definitely be a tool that can help you work with that. But the results from the workout, the weight loss or whatever, I'm going to tell you right now, I can, I can, if I snap my fingers and make you ripped,
Starting point is 01:26:39 you're not going to have permanent, you know, resolvment of that feeling uncomfortable in your own skin. This is coming from someone who deals with that themselves. So this is something else. And what you don't want to do is turn exercise into a drug that you abuse because it will damage you like a drug will for sure. And many times when this is like, if he's hitting it right on spot here,
Starting point is 01:27:01 like a lot of times that will cause you to make corrections when you don't need to. That's right. So you start getting in your own head and you're not happy with the results or you're not happy with the way you look. And so even though you are like in the perfect spot and things are going great,
Starting point is 01:27:17 somehow you convince yourself otherwise and then you make a drastic change and then the results are worse and then you get even more frustrated and you're doing more work. Holy and explain. So describe your workouts to me when you're following the workout. Are you, yeah, I know that, but not the, not the actual workout, but are you, do you have headphones on? Are you,
Starting point is 01:27:35 what are you doing in between sets? Are you working out alone? What does it look like? Yeah. Usually just working out alone, have headsets in, and then usually either have you guys in as a podcast or, you know, just some music in or something just, uh, and then in between, uh, right now, since it's, uh, I have two minutes, uh, resting between, uh, sets, I'm just either on Instagram or something just kind of relaxing, just trying not to do anything. I'm going to give you some advice.
Starting point is 01:27:59 It's going to be really hard. Okay. And even this, I mean, this is going to hurt us too. So I don't want you to listen to anything while you work out. I want you to work out with no music no podcast no nothing I don't want you to take your phone with you and I want you to have a notebook and In your notebook you can have your workout and you can write down how many sets you did how many reps all that stuff And I want you to just sit in your body with your workout So we're gonna practice feeling your body while you work out and what that's gonna do is gonna turn the workout Into a tool that's gonna help you feel more comfortable in your body with your workout. So we're gonna practice feeling your body while you work out. And what that's gonna do is it's gonna turn the workout
Starting point is 01:28:27 into a tool that's gonna help you feel more comfortable in your own skin. It's gonna feel very awkward at first, but you'll find at the end of the workout, you're gonna feel something different than you did before. So while you're working out, no music, no nothing, no book, no distractions, and you're just sitting in it. Just give that a shot and see what happens.
Starting point is 01:28:43 If you take that advice and do something that'll help you because it is challenging for us to do this. When I'm doing this, I'm sitting down, a lot of times I'll close my eyes, I'll be with my heads down and I'm like envisioning the lift I just did and I'm thinking about the next one, right? I'm thinking about how I felt going through that.
Starting point is 01:29:00 You're just being present. That dumbbell press, where did I feel it the most and like what did the form look like? I'm envisioning what the next set looks like. And so that process will help. Like, so you're not just like want thoughts or wandering. I'm really thinking about the movement and what I'm doing at that moment. Yeah, workouts can be either extremely effective at making you feel present and in your body, It's a double-edged sword you can use workouts to distract the hell out of yourself and take yourself outside of your body All depends on on how you do it. So if you do that practice, it'll it'll help you become more comfortable in your own skin I want to I want to put you in the form if you're not already in there and then yeah
Starting point is 01:29:40 I'm in the form. Okay, so I would love I would love I would love for you When you get a chance to get the, to go test your body fat the same way you did last time and give me an update on that. And then we can be a little more precise with what potentially to do with the calories and stuff, because I have a feeling you're probably actually in a really good place. If you are, that's great.
Starting point is 01:29:59 I would stay there. Yeah. So let's let me stick to making sure you, I mean, what you always hear us talk about, right? So protein intake is most important, right? So hit that protein intake, whatever your goal weight is, the weight that you ideally want to be, hit that in grams of protein every single day. Don't miss that. Be religious about that. And then as far as where your calories are, let's keep them where they're at for now until you get that body fat test and give me feedback on.
Starting point is 01:30:22 And then just tag us in the forum. Yeah. and then from there, I'll give you better advice on whether I think you should cut or just stay where you're at. Got it. Okay. That's actually what I was gonna ask you. So what I was doing is that every phase, I just kind of up, you know, anywhere from 50 to 100 calories and was kind of going up from there.
Starting point is 01:30:39 So before doing that, I guess going to the next phase, you guys want me to do the measurements again and just kind of test. Yes, yes, yes. Let's test and see. And that might be guess going to the next phase, you guys want me to do the measurements again and just kind of test. Yes. Yes. Let's test and see. And that might be exactly the advice we give is, is, I think, stay on that path of every phase or so bump the calories because I think it's serving you.
Starting point is 01:30:54 I mean, I think just without having the exact numbers in front of us, we're, the fact that you saw strength go up, you're able to eat 3000. You didn't make any comments of saying like, Oh, I feel like I put all body fat on. So it sounds like you are heading in the right direction. We may just stay the course with what you're doing. And I dropped my, my protein down to about 165 grams. I was doing about, when I was in the cut, I was about 210. And then I dropped it down to about 180 and then 165. Just because I don't really know what target weight is good for me. And so I just kind of did lean body mass. And when I did the, that works, yeah, that's fine.
Starting point is 01:31:32 It's 165. Okay. Yeah. I was doing. Okay. Okay. Oh, no, that's good. I didn't know if it was too low or not.
Starting point is 01:31:37 I know it's not too low, but I would shoot for 165 to 180. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine going a little over. Yeah. Yeah. So if you go, you go going a little over would be great. Um, but I wouldn't go much lower than the 160, but you're, that're fine. You're fine going a little over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you go, going a little over would be great, but I wouldn't go much lower than the 160, but that's fine. It's good.
Starting point is 01:31:49 Okay, okay. Yeah, that, that works. I think I was just like you said, I was just getting in my head is just, I don't see any body fat going down. So I was just like, okay, I guess I'm just in the same place I was a year ago. No, no, let's test. Let's test. I have a feeling that you've at least built muscle, which will also cause the
Starting point is 01:32:06 body fat percentage to most likely go down. So let's see where your body fat test is. We'll go from there. Okay. Sounds good. All right, hold on. That, uh, you know, underlying feeling, I mean, that's, that's me right there. And, uh, boy, I can make my workouts work for me or work against me, depending
Starting point is 01:32:23 on how present I am within them. You know, yeah, I think this is so common where, um, you know, somebody cares advice or it decides that, okay, this is what I need to do. And then they don't see fast enough results or they have body dysmorphia and they didn't matter. Even if they were seeing results, they'd still find a way to distort that. And then they make a course correction when they were actually in this like perfect. No need.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Yeah. What I hope we hear from him, right, is that he's actually stayed the same or maybe even reduced his body fat percentage while cutting out cardio and increasing to 3000 calories. That is a massive win. Yeah. And that means we are moving in the right. He did say in his question too, he feels better, he's getting better sleep got better move stronger. Yep. So that tells me that he was he's probably nourishing himself Yeah
Starting point is 01:33:12 Our next caller is Danielle from Indiana. Hey Danielle, how can we help you? awesome To be somewhat respectful of your time I'm just gonna read straight up of my email or else we'll be here for the next hour and I don't think any of us have time for that. So I am a pediatric speech language pathologist which is also known as a speech therapist who works with kids. I just recently went full-time in my own private practice. I contract through my business with a school district three days a week and then twice
Starting point is 01:33:43 a week I'm in my own office. This is not public knowledge but might be after this airs. I am expanding and will be done with the school contract and going full-time in my own office in May which I'm very excited about. I was previously a personal trainer before and during grad school and I legitimately loved it but knew I wanted to pursue a career full-time working with kids. My late mother was a personal trainer as well, and you know, being in that world made me feel close to her. So as I've looked at expanding my business and building my quote-unquote dream career, I would really like to bring fitness into my speech therapy sessions. And there are two SLPs in Arizona who are doing it, so I know it's not too crazy.
Starting point is 01:34:26 I'm interested if you could brief reason as to why I want to do this. Obviously the physical mental benefits of exercise, providing a safe space for caregivers and their children to exercise, providing social opportunities for people with varying ability levels, and have a space in which they can learn to be a part of a team, or just a space that they can be part of a team. I also, this is the biggest one I think, is I really would like to offer some access
Starting point is 01:34:53 to some gym equipment. So caregivers, while I'm working with their kids, can go and take like 20 to 30 minutes for themselves, because that's often not built into their schedules. They do so much for their children, and it would be nice to have a space that they can go, great, you're working with my kid, I'm gonna go lift some weights.
Starting point is 01:35:10 In theory, I would like to incorporate fitness into sessions in which it's appropriate for that particular client. I'm not gonna throw an 18 month old kid on a kettlebell, but for my older kids, it would be really nice to incorporate some physical movement and introduce them to weightlifting. I would also love to have an evening like group fitness.
Starting point is 01:35:31 Don't hate me yet. Opportunity that would be like a small class size and focus on practicing those movements and then cheering each other on, which is that social aspect of things. So my two questions are one, if I pursue this, would you recommend doing an adaptive personal training certification or something through somewhere like an ASM? The adaptive offers a lot of specifics regarding working with people with different ability levels, which I really do like. But if I do this, I also don't want to just do something to say I have a certification and go do it. I want to make sure it's a good certification that helps me help people in
Starting point is 01:36:07 the best capacity that I can in the setting that I'm in. And then number two, if I do pursue this and don't have a shit ton of money in because I'm a new small business, what would you recommend in terms of having like key pieces of equipment to have available for the clients and their caregivers? This is great. I love this idea so much. I love it too. Absolutely love this idea. You should be though in our trainer coaching course already.
Starting point is 01:36:32 Yeah. Yeah. This is the type of stuff that we talk about in there with all of it. Yeah. We have a new trainer course. I'm sorry. I said I know I wanted to get in on it, but I wasn't quite sure if it was appropriate for someone like me. 100% it is appropriate for someone like you. Yeah, what you get from it really is about...
Starting point is 01:36:52 It's the business side. It's how to build a business. Now, as far as like exercise applications, okay, so number one, I think this is a phenomenal idea. I think it's going to help the parents. I think it's going to also help the children. I think movement and moving the whole body probably has carry over to improvements in speech. You would know this better than I would,
Starting point is 01:37:13 but I would bet money that this would also help quite a bit. Just knowing how the muscles interact and how kinesthetic awareness builds and all that stuff. So I think this would be huge. I think for an exercise cert, so our cert is, or our course is going to teach you how to build your business, how to get more clients, how to network, how to get leads, all that stuff. As far as a course to, for exercise and so
Starting point is 01:37:36 correctional exercise certifications are going to be your best bet. So you have your NESM CPT and then they have a correctional exercise specialist. I think you're going to get the most value out of that because you're probably gonna have the parent do 20 30 minutes worth of movement Correctional exercise and have them is gonna give you the best bang for your buck. There's also gonna be carry over to children I think that's to be better and then as far as equipment is concerned. You don't need Equipment may you need like a dumbbells? Physioball bands, that's it. Man, you need like dumbbells, fizzle ball, bands. That's it. You'll need nothing else.
Starting point is 01:38:08 Maybe a suspension trainer. Yeah, I would say a suspension trainer. I'd use a suspension trainer for damn near everything. If in a perfect world, I would enroll you in an ASM ASAP, enroll you in our coaching course ASAP. Those would be the two things you'd be going through right now. So we're helping you on the business side.
Starting point is 01:38:23 Also, you're networking with all the other coaches and trainers that are also scaling unique businesses like this inside there. And then after you finish the NSAM CPT, then moving to the CES, like Sal said, and I literally would invest in a suspension trainer and some bands to start off with, like that's it. Like that would be literally all I would need to get going on my idea. And then most of what you're, this is such a great idea, but I think it's so novel that the, the most of the effort work would be, how I would I structure this? How would I put my packages together? How would I present this to my clients?
Starting point is 01:38:55 How would I not? Cause you had a lot of really good ideas. I would probably help you try and focus on a couple of these to roll out. And then we could always build on that. Right. What you don't want to do is spread yourself so thin you have all these different offerings. It's like, let's one, let's test and see what are some of these parents needing or wanting
Starting point is 01:39:12 more. And then we can start to gather. Okay. This seems to be that your group idea is the best idea. Or maybe you see like, oh wow, maybe it's the, whenever I'm coaching a child, I also have a routine that I can give them to do. So let's, let's figure out what they want and then let's build the structure as far as your offer around that. But this is, again, this is the stuff that I think that's in our course that you're going to get a lot of benefit from is the business side from us. And then the NSM, and then I know you mentioned too about not having a shit ton
Starting point is 01:39:41 of money, there's a payment option for ours. So it's like a monthly thing. So it's not like a big, you can pay one lump sum or you can do the monthly offering and it also, so it's a little bit easier. You know, off the top of my head, Danielle, the group, small group exercise would be good for this benefit here. You would get other parents to meet each other who are going through similar things with their kids. Okay. Now, as far as the workout stuff, I would not, this is me personally,
Starting point is 01:40:06 but I bet money on this. I don't think it'd be valuable to focus on fat loss, muscle gain, like fitness goals. It would be about functional, like functionality, correctional exercise, feel better neck pain, shoulder pain, like stress. And that's all correctional exercise stuff. So what I want to send you is I'm, if you don't have maps, Prime Pro, I'm going to send that to you because there's movements in there that you could use
Starting point is 01:40:31 that are all correctional exercise based. Okay, and you could use those right now and none of them require any equipment. So I'll give you that just so you can look at that and see what it is. And then the rest that I said, I think, again, I think this is a phenomenal idea. I think if you really do this right and piece it together right, um,
Starting point is 01:40:47 I think you're going to develop some, some long-term clientele from, from this particular approach. But just to like in terms of, of our course and why it's so relevant to you is it like the, the business end of it is the most important. Yes. The ideas are great, uh, but really being able to sustain it, to be able to, to keep like revenue coming in, to have consistent revenue, to have predictability to it,
Starting point is 01:41:10 you know, create systems out of it. That is like your biggest priority. And then the ideas will kind of form themselves around that. Totally. Okay, cool. I'm really appreciative that you guys didn't say it was a terrible idea. That's very, very comforting and encouraging. No, I love it. I think it's a great idea.'t say it was a terrible idea. That's very, very comforting and I think it's a great idea.
Starting point is 01:41:27 It's a good idea, but the way you execute it is going to determine whether or not it's going to succeed. Yeah, we wanted to succeed. Also parents that invest in this, I hired a speech therapist. Okay. I mean, that type of person is a good potential client. If you're willing to spend that kind of money to help your kid with his speech come along, I'm most likely to invest in myself on things like that, especially if you can tie the connecting the two of them together of like, hey, you doing this, your child seeing you do this, together you guys can do these things, it's only going to benefit you, it's going to benefit
Starting point is 01:41:57 them. I could totally see the presentation on this. So I love it. Awesome. Thanks. And I appreciate the input on the business side of things. That's very much where I lack I know how to help people but the actual business side of things is very much an area of growth for me Okay, most good trainers go to mind pump fitness coaching calm That's where you'll learn about the course and that's all it's about is building that
Starting point is 01:42:22 Yep Awesome. Okay. Thanks guys. So much. I appreciate it. Thank you. You know, it's, this just reminded me of a conversation I had, uh, with a therapist, um, I asked her cause she sees kids too. And I said, so what's it like seeing like little kids, like what do you do?
Starting point is 01:42:38 What do you do when you sit down and talk to an eight year old? She says it's all the parents. It's has the kids or don't have the problems. It comes from the parents. And so my point with this is when you're dealing with situations like this, and I'm not saying, this is not in that same category, but my point is we place so much focus on the kids
Starting point is 01:42:58 that the parents are under stress, it's difficult, maybe they're working two jobs or whatever, and it's so much less effective because the parents can't be as effective, right? But now imagine the parent goes in there, the kid is doing 30 minutes of speech therapy, and mom is over there doing correctional exercise movements that makes her feel amazing at the end of it.
Starting point is 01:43:15 Like you don't think this is gonna have carry over to the kid? It's a great idea. No, it's a brilliant idea. But building the business part, that's the challenge. 100%, that's the challenge for all trainers and coaches. Look, if you love the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com, check out all of our free fitness guides.
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