Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2284: Ways to Fix CrossFit Injuries, How to Dial in Workout Volume, the Downside of Building a Lot of Muscle & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:39 Compound lifts tend to cause more damage than single joint lifts. And standing exercises tend to cause more damage than single joint lifts and standing exercises tend to cause more damage than seated exercises. Also generally true higher reps tend to cause more damage than lower reps when intensity is controlled for. So consider this when creating your programming, even though your sets may be the same, the volume may be affecting you differently depending on the modality. You lost me at Rule of Thumb. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:06 I just can't ever since you guys told me about that. Oh, about what that meant? Sorry. I instantly think of a kid getting beat when you do that. No, it wasn't for kids. I think of Boondock Saints immediately. No, it wasn't for kids. Rule of Thumb was a law.

Starting point is 00:03:17 Oh, it was for your wife. Yeah. Where a husband couldn't beat his wife when they stick. That was wider than his wife. It was wider, yeah. You had to be like that. So they were trying to be more civilized. That's so polite. If they stick, that was wider than his wife. It was wider, yeah. You had to be like that. They're trying to be more civilized. That's so political.

Starting point is 00:03:28 That's so politically incorrect for you to use that now. Anyway. But this is a general rule of thumb. I mean, most things when you look back are premessed up. Yeah. Where we get these sayings from. Yeah. So here's why I'm saying this, that like free weights, more of the machines, compound lifts,

Starting point is 00:03:42 more than single joints, standing more than seated, higher, it's more than lower. So, um, this, this I've known this for a while, but I'm experiencing it right now. So I've been probably for the last five weeks, maybe four weeks, five weeks. I've been training almost entirely on machines, which I almost never do. I almost never do it on a consistent basis. It's a breeze, huh? Huh? I bet that's enjoyable.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Fun and easy. Well, machines, man. Hold on. So I'm doing this because I'm going to UFC Fit. Now they have platforms, they have everything there, but they have all these machines they've never used. And when I go to a new gym, typically what I'll do is I'll do a bunch of stuff that I don't normally do just for the fun and the novelty. But for the last, like I said, four or five weeks, I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna do just a pure,

Starting point is 00:04:26 I haven't, I've never done that or I haven't done that in decades where I just did machines for a consistent basis. And what I'm noticing, by the way, there's pluses and minuses to this. The, you may think that the damage aspect, the fact that it, cause this is what I noticed, I don't get a sore. If I do the same sets with comparable free weight exercises to machines, I get,

Starting point is 00:04:47 there's more damage on the body with the free weights versus machines. And we could talk about why, but it's just, it's just true across the board. So I don't get a sore, which means I can do more volume. Um, but I'm also noticing, so I noticed I get good pumps. I can see why bodybuilders like it. I could also see that I'm losing functional strength as a result of not training with free weights and blah, blah, blah. But really the main takeaway is I do more volume when I train this way.

Starting point is 00:05:11 It's not equivalent to when I'm using free weights. So this is important when you're creating your programming to consider this. For example, a standing shoulder press versus a seated shoulder press, you could do the same weight, same wrap. It's a totally different animal. That standing one is going to, it's going to take your body a little longer to recover from. So it's important to know this when you're creating your programming that they're

Starting point is 00:05:30 all, they're not all created equal, but you'll get affected differently. When I was training seven days a week, one of my like favorite, uh, techniques that I would do is to, uh, alternate the days of free weights and machines. Oh, because I was training so many days and one of the ways to modify intensity would, would easy that way. And I felt great doing that. So it's like, uh, I, in for years before that, right? So when I was in my late teens, early twenties, lifting, I was like, all machine

Starting point is 00:05:56 guy never did free weights. And, you know, we've talked on the show many times of like things that like broke us through plateaus. I don't think I've ever shared that one. And that was a major plateau breaker for me was I used to love the hammer strength, the machines and cables. And it was like, I rarely ever did free weights because they were hard. And I, and I could do so much more weight on all the machines.

Starting point is 00:06:16 And so I stuck to doing that stuff. Not to mention it was easier to, to get into form technique was easier, all the above, but though my progress had stalled, and then simply going to like all the big compound lifts and doing free weights, like I saw this huge, yeah, plateau buster. Like so, I think there's a lot of young men especially, because I see a lot of younger guys

Starting point is 00:06:38 that tend to gravitate towards the hammer strength and the machines all the time, because they can do a bunch of weight that are stuck at a plateau, that if they would just move away from that and go in freeway to see. Yeah, that mentality is hard to break if that's how you've kind of been introduced into lifting weights and you, and I guess that's where we want to, we want to get a hold of these young guys ahead of time.

Starting point is 00:07:00 So, uh, you know, introduce them to these compound lists with barbell training because it is a hard, uh, transition to go from, uh, working out like that to now lifting, um, doing back squat, doing dead lists, all these, it's a really hard, uh, skill to, to acquire, like going from that. I think the key is to reframe it. Like this is what I had to do is reframe it. It's like, what gets me the best results? Period. Right.

Starting point is 00:07:24 Yeah. This is what I had to do is reframe it. It's like, what gets me the best results? Period. Right. Yes. So, and as you get more experience, you start to realize, oh, the more difficult the exercise and novel it is, the, the, and the more I suck at it, the more results I get from it. And so if you just approach the workouts like that, which is, oh man, if I suck at it and it's hard, I'm going to get the most return from it. Therefore I should do it. it's hard, I'm gonna get the most return from it, therefore I should do it. It's also this too, it's also, cause people typically oppose the question like this, what's better, free weights or machines?

Starting point is 00:07:53 Like, okay, if I have to pick, then I'll make a choice, but I don't have to. I have access to all of them. So yes, free weights will cause more damage. Therefore we could say it sends a louder signal, more functional strength, that stuff. But machines allow for more volume to be used, which in volume also sends a muscle building signal.

Starting point is 00:08:13 I can also use it and program it in when I need to, when I wanna hit the muscles, but I don't want to cause as much damage to the body or much stress on the body. So the truth is it's all how you use it. It's the mix. When you have ingredients, you can use more of this ingredient

Starting point is 00:08:29 to create this type of a flavor or more of this to create the flavor. It really depends on how you feel, what you've been doing. It's all valuable, because what we tend to do in our space is we tend to do this like, it's either this or that. Why? Front squats or back squats?

Starting point is 00:08:43 Which one? How about both? Like what if I practice both of them, right? Leg press versus this. If you have to make a choice, then I can answer it, but I don't have to. A lot of people don't have to. So there's value to all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:55 And the value that I can see with machines is, and some people would say this is a negative, but I see it as a potential value. Doesn't cause a lot of damage. So I could go do a ton of volume and feel okay. I can't do the same amount of volume with free weights. It'll, it'll, it'll, now if I have limited time, now it makes sense, right? Stick with me.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Well, I just think if you, you know, if you don't introduce these harder lifts, like early enough, it's, it's like less likely. True. You, because you can, you can get away with doing machines for a long period of time and no doubt, like you're still doing something, but to be able to have that contrast and be able to do kind of what Adam was talking about, like undulate that so you can do your compound less than you do like other days in between so it's more volume driven and less impactful in the joints. You know, and it's funny because now I'm like all lean in on like the machines because it's

Starting point is 00:09:42 like I've done barbell training for so long. It feels good as a way to change it up. And it feels a lot less damaging on the joints, which I love, but to have the baseline and the foundation first of those core lifts, it's really important. No, it's funny. It's like every other lesson that I've learned lifting weights and nutrition is like going from one extreme to the other

Starting point is 00:10:04 extreme and then finding out it's somewhere in the middle, right? It's like I did nothing but machines for the longest time then realize, oh, that's not, I'm not getting the results. As soon as I started to do free weights, then it became like all free weights. And then I started to plateau, knee pain, tightness, stiffness, all these things that were bothering from lifting heavy in the same plane all the time. Oh, then I went the other, other direction. It's like learning to balance and modify intensity throughout the week. Also based off of not, not only what you're doing with the lifts, but also what's happening outside of the gym too. I think that's what makes the other piece to this is like, okay, well, there's

Starting point is 00:10:41 some truth to the, the machines don't do as much damage to the as, as freeweights. And so it's like, not only do I have to juggle, okay, well, there's some truth to the machines don't do as much damage to the, as, as free weights. And so it's like, not only do I have to juggle, okay, the intensity that I was training at and how sore am I the next day, therefore I should probably do machines. I also need to factor into, oh, what was my rest like? What's my nutrition been like? And though, so even there's times where I'll choose machines when I, I'm not necessarily sore from doing free weights the day before two days ago, but I also recognize that I've been sleeping poorly or what that it's like, you know what, here's a way that I can modify intensity, even though I'm not super sore.

Starting point is 00:11:14 And that's normally how I would use the machines is to pivot over that direction. But I'm also now factoring in other things like sleep and nutrition and stress. I was like, oh, okay, well, I'm not feeling my best. This is not the day to go heavy on my compound. I think for sure your first few years of training, you should master the barbell, you know, compound lifts. You should master them and get really good at them. But then after that, it gets kind of fun. And if you've been working out for 10 years, 15 years, or I've been working out for 30 years, actually, someone asked me the other day, how long have you been training? And I thought about it. It's all been over 30 years. I actually, someone asked me the other day, how long have you been training? And I thought about it. It's all been over, over 30 years have been working out.

Starting point is 00:11:47 It gets, it's, it's, it's fun to do different things. It's a lot of fun. There's, I have no limits or why would I put limits on myself into, in terms of what I'm doing. But for the first, you know, three years of training, you should get good at those. You know, so I want to be clear, get good at those calm town lifts. They have the most. It's so funny that, I mean, I don't know, I'd argue at least five years you could get away with like never doing anything,

Starting point is 00:12:08 but the five lifts, probably like the five main lifts, just doing that for five years consistently more beneficial and you would build such a solid foundation, solid foundation and only doing that three days a week, three days a week, full body, even two days a week. Yeah. Yeah. Just consistently doing that and, and treating it as not as, oh, my goal is to see how much weight I can necessarily put on the floor, but getting so good at the

Starting point is 00:12:36 movement. The technique. Yeah. The technique of it and perfecting your form over those five years. And then like it just opens up every other pathway from there as far as like the way the results will come in. Totally. All right, I got to bring this up because it was a huge topic of discussion

Starting point is 00:12:51 over the weekend at my house. Right, so I never, almost never shopped for myself like clothing wise. I actually complimented this. Well, so I was like, you know what? I want to get it like a track suit. Like let me get like a track suit. So I went on Amazon and I saw, I have matching pants, by the way, at home.

Starting point is 00:13:08 So I got it and it came in and I put it on and Jessica relentlessly made fun of me. Like, like, like, she's like, are you going to wear that? I'm like, yeah, she's like, oh my God, you look that's so stereotypical. You can't wear that. Whatever. Then the nanny comes over and I'm like, be honest, what do you think? She's like, well, I mean, I don't know. So then I'm like, I'm going to wear it to work. And? She's like well, I mean I don't know so then I'm like I'm gonna wear it to work And then Jessica's like Adam's gonna make fun of you on the podcast. Oh, that's funny as soon as I walk in

Starting point is 00:13:31 I complimented a great jacket. I love the jacket there, honey. Yeah, you were wrong. It's got great. Let's have retro vibes Yeah, see that's all right. That's all right. Yeah, yeah Yeah, no self-conscious. I brought it in my bag Like you're ready for a mimosa. Yeah, like a mimosa. Watching ten inches. Yeah, same. You'll, again, we've talked about this recently, right?

Starting point is 00:13:52 Like a lot of these styles are like coming back in. That's a style that I feel like is coming back into styles and stuff like that. All right, all right. I feel a little better. I mean, you know me, I tell you right away if I like it. But then she said the wrong thing to me, too. She said, you look like one of those like stereotypical like Guido's. I'm like, now you're just convincing me.

Starting point is 00:14:06 Yeah. That was the look I'm going for. Now you're reinforcing it. Exactly. Done. I'm going to put this on now because of it. She's like, why'd you buy that about Amazon? She's like, you didn't even get it at department store?

Starting point is 00:14:18 I'm like, no. You can get everything on Amazon now. It actually looks like pretty good quality if you just buy it. It's kind of warm. See what happens. Maybe I'll get a rash or something after. I want to see the full get up so he's got the matching pants. Oh yeah, bro. Even the bottom, you know, the ankle.

Starting point is 00:14:31 It's kind of like these right here. All right. I actually have a bunch of... You had her, she texted you, you're fucking me right now. No, no, no. I have some really cool Jordan ones, but I bought them back when the style of like overly baggy was which by the way, it started to make its way back. So maybe I can bust them out. They're really nice. I have I have like at least four. Did you matching? Were you guys parka starter

Starting point is 00:14:56 parka guys? Okay, do you remember that either you wore the parka or some people have the gold 49er jacket starter? You had the gold one too. Did you park it also? Yeah, not as much park it, because you know, that was heavy. So they're, yeah, warm, way too warm. Those are years. So they're the same company. Starter did both of them.

Starting point is 00:15:15 Right. The start of the, like the all, the gold one you're talking about was first. That's first, yeah. And the park is came later. The park is came later. Yeah, yeah. So we were like, well, yeah, I had both.

Starting point is 00:15:22 Where did you wear cowboys? I had both. You had a Niner and a Cowboy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we were like, well, yeah, I both were you at what? What did you wear? Cowboys? I had both. You had a nine or an ankle. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no came came later I had both those fit my boys no too so my my parents still kept you still got them oh they were that for the Super Bowl yeah that's great gold one yeah yeah yeah so I had the big black one with the big 49er you know circular emblem on the back and then did you guys did you guys put beads on the I did but that was a style yeah you put beads on the side you remember that Justin you would buy beads that were the color of the jacket It was the same it was during the same where I'm on the strings

Starting point is 00:16:07 It was it was during the same era as when the girls used to make the wristbands out of those things Yes, so that's the guys would rock so that's the one time or your chick would wear her your parka and then when you get it back She had she did it for you So I was in eighth grade when I did it and it's the only time I ever shoplifted in my entire life was I stole beads for, yeah, I went with a bunch of bad influences. Yeah, I stole beads for other things. Huh?

Starting point is 00:16:32 What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. God damn, Justin. I just can't. You know why? You threw a jab at him earlier. He's been on fire today. He's been on fire for the whole time.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Hey, did you see I hacked your day in the life? Yes, I did. I was gonna mention that. Oh, I missed that. I didn't help it. Hey, did you see I hacked your day in the life? Yes, I did. I was gonna mention that. Oh, I missed that. I didn't see that. He's like a helicopter with all penis drawings. Oh! And I'm like a post-it. I thought you really posted that.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Oh, yeah. That's why I was like, what would I say? This could be something I would post. You would? I thought it was him. No! I thought it was him who posted that. I really thought it was a piece that he did. It was on you.

Starting point is 00:17:04 I was like, oh, it's great. He has an old piece he did. He believed it. I was like, I believed it. I believed it. I hella believed it. I thought, oh, I was like, oh my god, he still has a driver. I would have done that. That's the best guy I've ever been with.

Starting point is 00:17:16 The helicopter. He owns it. Yeah, the helicopter. The helicopter. The helicopter. Yes. I thought it was so real. I totally thought it was real.

Starting point is 00:17:24 I don't know how I found that. Oh, that's too funny. No, that was funny. Yeah, I was like, ah, this has got to be sad. I knew it wasn't you, so. No, no, no. Yeah, he's notorious for that. I think I did it one time to him, and then ever since then.

Starting point is 00:17:34 You did it to me. Yeah, I did to you a long time ago. I don't remember what you did, but. I think I did it with your, when you were those little bikini shorts that you had a long time ago. Remember those? Yes. The grapes.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Yeah, yeah. I had to change those. Because I have a bikini briefs. Yeah, I stopped wearing it. I never go back to those now. So, did you guys have a good weekend? Did you guys do anything? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:56 What did you guys all in the same area? Oh, yeah, we hung out like Friday night. Yeah, Justin and I hung out with the wives or just you guys? Yeah, yeah, the wives too. We went to a thing. I had extra tickets and Marcucci and Danielle were supposed to go with us and then they ended up having a soccer tournament. So I had an extra pair

Starting point is 00:18:15 Was this the dueling pianos? Yeah. Oh you guys know Yeah, oh yeah, it was cool, right? Yeah, cuz last time it was at the Ramsey event that we saw something like that And it was just as good. It was, I mean, they, they killed it. So yeah, I thought it was better. I thought I'd like to. And this is dinner drinks. And then you watch the show. Yeah. That's good.

Starting point is 00:18:31 It's the first time that I had gone to, uh, so it was in Morgan Hill. So like, I don't know, like two or three months ago, Katrina and I were getting, um, coffee at like our, our local coffee shop that we go to. And there was a flyer on the, on the window and it was, oh, doing pianos. I had just told Katrina, not that long ago, I was like, oh, when we were in Nashville, I said, we really had a good time at the doing pianos. I said, you and I should go sometime. I'm like, and then we had seen that. And I'm like, let's just go. And then we're like checking and we're like, okay,

Starting point is 00:18:56 we're in town. I'm like, well, just buy, buy like six tickets and then we'll figure out later on. Right. And so we had, we had a plan put on the calendar. We invited Danielle and them and was all done and hadn't thought about it for months. And then it came up this week and she's like, Hey, we got that dueling pianos. And I'm like, Oh, we got the, the warrior game. I said, I'd rather go to that. Let's go do that instead. And we're not going to go. And I'm like, you know what? Katrina convinced me. She's like, you know, it's, this is our town now and we haven't been out that much here. Let's get to, you know, see if we like it, you know, so we know. All right.

Starting point is 00:19:26 All right. And man, super cool spot. And food was good. Food was great. It was a spot. Yeah. If the spot was, so it's downtown Morgan Hill. I think it's called the Granada or something, something like that.

Starting point is 00:19:38 I forget the name of it, but it's like they're a little like old school theater. And it's all remodeled and redone. And they had all these like, you know, white tablecloth tables and nice chandeliers, champagne, uh, vending machine. Yeah. I was like, oh, like little bottles or like little, two, two glass bottles or like this big. Wow.

Starting point is 00:19:57 You guys remember cigarette vending machines? I can't believe you used to have those. Of course. Remember that? Yeah. You pull that you pull like you can still, you can still get them places like Reno and stuff have oh yeah oh yeah yeah some of the old casinos still have some of those oh well at least it's in a casino I remember when I was a kid yeah yeah I don't I had uncles they might be a I'm

Starting point is 00:20:16 assuming they're illegal in a lot of places I don't think you can do yeah yeah maybe maybe maybe Reno's the only place I can do it at least I had maybe it was anything in Vegas I was it was At least I had, maybe it was. You didn't do anything in Vegas. It was just me, and this weekend for me was just me and the little kids, because I had bought my 14 year old a Disney trip for Christmas, now it came up. So her and her friend and Jessica, Jessica Chaperonum,

Starting point is 00:20:39 so they went to Disneyland and it was just- Just the three of them? Just the three of them. And so it was just me and the little kids. So I was like, prepped, like, okay, dad, I the three of them, just the three of them. And, uh, so it was just me and the little kids. So I was like prepped like, okay, dad, I'm going to do this, right? And it did great, bro. I did so good. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:51 I did so good. The kids meltdowns or anything. Bro, I had the kids, the kids were outside, uh, 80% of the time. It was so nice. And when the weather was great, it was a great weather. Yeah, it was amazing. We were outside most of the time. I got my daughter, my 15 month old.

Starting point is 00:21:06 I, you know, she's learning how to walk or trying to learn now. And so I had her take her little shoes and socks off and I had her walk around barefoot in the grass a bunch. Took my son, my three year old downtown and we hung out in a park, looked at dogs. And we just had a, we had a great time. Then Jessica comes back from the airport,

Starting point is 00:21:24 dinner was ready. I had made dinner. Kids were eating everything. And I was just like, bring your A game. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, see, see everything. See, everything's handbooked and you got to see.

Starting point is 00:21:33 No problem. Easy. Easy. In reality, I was like, yes. Fucking juggling everything up. When that happens, hard. How does she handle that? Cause sometimes it's like mom does, has a hard time leaving the kids for those two days.

Starting point is 00:21:46 Oh, she just misses them. Yeah. But I mean, was she just like, all right, you got this? Or was it like all planned out? When to feed them? No, no, she totally fully trusts me. Oh, wow. Yeah, she's fully, fully trust me.

Starting point is 00:21:58 She fucking tells me everything. It gives you a whole itemized inventory. And I love how she does it too. She tries to like, she's like supporting, like to help me. Like, I know how busy. This will make things easier. Yeah, yeah. I know you're really busy with work and of course that.

Starting point is 00:22:10 I'm like, you just think I'm not going to fucking feed her son. That's why I know what this is. You're going to forget. She'll call either my mom or her mom. Is it because that one time Max got overheated? Is that what happened? No. You forgot to get water?

Starting point is 00:22:22 Is that why? I puked all over the car. Yeah. She's like, uh. She always sets it up like that. Oh, I've tried. I know you're so busy, working and all this stuff like that. So I just wanted to help you out.

Starting point is 00:22:33 I'm like, yeah, right? It's not why I do this. But she'll call either my aunt, my mom, or her mom. And she'll also schedule them to be at the house in town. Oh. So I always have. Well, I should give a little caveat. It wasn't just me.

Starting point is 00:22:44 I had the nanny come both days, too. It wasn't just by myself. Yeah, yeah. So she'll normally house in town. Oh. So I always have. Well I should give a little caveat. It wasn't just me, I had the nanny come both days too. It wasn't just by myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she'll normally sit in support. I know right now I got a lot of stay at home parents right now are like, ah! That doesn't count. Yes it does, still can't count.

Starting point is 00:22:55 And then I'll have like by the hour, you know. This is breakfast, it's already made, you just gotta heat it up, there's this lunch, this is the snack, this is what time to do this, as I get the whole breakdown. No man, I had a blast, you know. I's this lunch. This is the snack. This is what time to do this. As I get the whole breakdown. No man, I had a blast. You know, I think the key, here's the key. I figured, I don't know if I figured this out,

Starting point is 00:23:11 but I feel like this is the key. The key with little kids, Justin, I think he might have taught me this. I heard him say this once, is you get him really tired. You exhaust the hell out of him. Yeah, yeah. That's the key.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Outside, outside. Like run him. So I came up with this game. That's son's draining too. Oh bro. So my three year old is, I mean, he's just, he's That's the key. Outside. Outside. Like, run him. So I came up with this game. That sun's draining too. Oh, bro. So my three-year-old is, I mean, he's just, he's got so much energy. So we came up with this game.

Starting point is 00:23:31 We have this long, like, hallway area where he runs as fast as he can. And I, you know, I'm 45. I ain't running after my three-year-old. So the game is, I'm like, how do I, how do I hack this? The game is I'm a zombie. So I go, hell, slow. Right? So I don't have to, like,'s there much energy he runs away and he

Starting point is 00:23:47 turns around runs by me and I pretend to grab him and miss and it's over and over so I take it I take maybe three steps every time he does that yeah and he goes back and just for laps and back and forth now you figured it out until he's like you know doing this and then he goes we, can we go play garbage trucks? And I'm like, sure. Cause I was tired. Oh, it's the key right there. No, that's it.

Starting point is 00:24:08 I'm tired. I seriously think that was like one of my favorite things about living out by the ocean was the beach, bro. Yeah. Getting them out in the sun and the, and the sand is so hard for the little feet to walk in. Hey, so they can't even go that fast. They're already in balance.

Starting point is 00:24:22 So yeah, they can run as fast as they want. They ain't moving very quick. Yeah. Push them over a little bit. Dude, oh yeah. They're struggling to go. Let me just dig a hole for Alex. Yes.

Starting point is 00:24:30 Alex. I think the hole. There's nothing going on in the hole. I think the beach is the greatest kid hack ever. It is. There's little legs and feet can't move very fast in that sand. They're not getting away. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:40 So I'll sit there, crack a beer, put my music on, so my bear. Ethereum. Throw the ball. Throw the ball like, throw the ball in 10 yards. You say it takes him 15 minutes to go. Struggling.

Starting point is 00:24:49 It's so true, bro. It's so true. And they feel so good. Oh yeah. By one o'clock, he's like, I'm done. Oh dude, I put my kid, I put my kid to bed and just laid him down. Five minutes. He was out.

Starting point is 00:25:00 I was like, this is, I had them like go find like sand crabs. Give me like 20 sand crabs. And it's taken forever. This would keep busy. It was a good time, but it's nice. I got to spend great time. And then my little, my little daughter at one point, my son was, so my son is like, I told you guys he's in the garbage trucks.

Starting point is 00:25:18 So he has five now, five big ass garbage trucks that he loves. I mean, it's like a team. He lines them up. So he'll play in his room by himself for a good 20 to 30 minutes, which isn't bad for a three year old play by himself. So being there by himself, I woke up my, my, my one of my 15 month old from her nap, brought her downstairs and Jessica's always saying to me, she's always saying, just try to sit still.

Starting point is 00:25:38 Cause I don't do that very well either. Just try to sit still. So I said, you know, I'm gonna do that. So I took my daughter, we sat down in the chair and it's like a little rocking chair. So it kind of does this a little bit and we just sat there for 20 minutes. And for 20 minutes she just sat there and everyone's watching look up at me

Starting point is 00:25:51 and then look straight ahead. I'm like, this is so nice. I don't know you can do that. I thought I had to like keep her entertained, you know? Just chill. I can almost close my eyes here, she'll be fine. Dude, not off. This is the first time so we had Ethan stay at the house by himself.

Starting point is 00:26:10 Oh yeah, I meant to ask you. Yeah, for how long? He's 13, I mean he's almost 14. He stayed just one night overnight. All by himself at the house. Wow. It's so funny because- You mean you spent the night somewhere else?

Starting point is 00:26:26 We were, it's a sanctuary. And this was like a makeup thing for the Valentine's. We were like trying to do something for that. So we just decided to go. And normally like the kids, like we can easily pawn them off on like one of their friends or somebody or my parents or whoever. And Ethan was just begging and pleading,ading like I just want to stay at the

Starting point is 00:26:47 house like all my friends are busy doing stuff I just want to you know do my thing and just hang out and he's he's really creative with what he makes like he made himself like this crazy like full-on dinner like he sauteed stuff are you cracking eggs he's scrambling he's he's like making I don't know that's so like full on dinner. Like he sauteed stuff. Are you kidding me? He's cracking eggs, he's scrambling. He's like making, I don't know. That's so great. It's great.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Like it's totally not me. You know, it's like 100% like Courtney, but he's like really into experimenting in the kitchen and like making all these things. So he's like taking pictures and showing us all these like extravagant meals he's making for himself and you know, doing his thing. Of course the one snafu is like he he wakes up in the morning he had a tick because the dogs

Starting point is 00:27:33 like so the boy mariner goes out he always has ticks on him and we're just constantly pulling him off. It's really bad like it's got worse since I've lived there and we're trying to figure it out. Like how the hell can we get really early? Is there, I think there, is there like a... Do they exterminate that? What do you do? I think there's actually a pill or a shampoo

Starting point is 00:27:53 they could take that will repel the ticks to where they don't want to get into. I think. Yeah, there's some of that from, yeah, we go to the vet and they can take, they can take medication where they don't like pick them up quite as much. Yeah. But it's still happening. And so he woke up, he had one lip bit him right in the belly button.

Starting point is 00:28:12 And so he's freaking out. And they're like, it's all right, just take tweezers. And so he got it before the head buried itself in. And so he was fine. If you get it right away, like really not to worry about. Yeah. Did you ever, did you ever see, did you get the bullseye on it? No, I never got that thankfully, because that's like one of

Starting point is 00:28:32 those where you're like, you got to go get tested. So I know somebody, I'll just say that, but I know somebody who got bit by a tick, got the bullseye. And years later, talk told me about it. And I said, you know that that means that you might have gotten Lyme or got tested and they don't have Lyme, but they had it. Their body fought it off. Did you know that? Oh, did you know you can get tested and they could see that?

Starting point is 00:28:55 Oh, at one point it looks like your body fought it off. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. No, I didn't know that either. I have, there's someone close, not close to me, but someone who's related to me who has Lyme. I don't you guys know anybody with Lyme I Had before bro the side of the symptoms. Oh, yeah, like we have to train crazy every time she come in and like All sudden and she looked normal and then mid session. She looked like super fatigued and like he's laid out

Starting point is 00:29:19 Yeah, I guess so I know somebody who I think I told you guys she made her depressed anxious and then Ravenous hunger. Yeah. Yeah, like she never could get full and they just like bombard them with antibiotics and that's it Right, that's like the only thing she did could would work on it and but ravenous hunger to the point where she said she said South She goes it's not like when you're starving. She's like it's like a hunger I've never had before and I can't get unquenchable. Yeah. And I can't get full. Oh, she's described that to me.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Oh, really? That's weird. Same thing. That's weird. It is weird, huh? Hey, speaking of food, you guys see Japan's Uber Eats. I don't know what it's called, but they, they're going to be the first to introduce the AI robots to bring it to you.

Starting point is 00:30:05 Really? Pull it up. Go, go, uh, Japan Uber eats robots. So you order it and then a robot brings you the food. Yeah. I mean, if I understood it correctly, that's what it is. They're already doing that on campuses and stuff. That's, I told you, well, that's where like, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:17 Drives up. I think so. Yeah. I think that's how I, yeah. I think it's all the heck. Yeah. Autonomous, right? So there's no, no humans involved.

Starting point is 00:30:24 And then you have to have a code or something probably to, I don't, I think it's all the heck. Yeah, autonomous, right? So there's no humans involved. And then you have to have a code or something, probably. I don't, yeah, I don't know the logistics of how the, how the customer buys or what that. I just saw the article. Oh, cool. And yeah, I've seen that. I've seen these at the kind of looks like that little, that little car in Star Wars. Yeah. I'm talking about just. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like a, like a cooler or something that's just got wheels. Here's my, here's what I, so I just foresee drones and vehicles like that, getting hijacked like crazy by people.

Starting point is 00:30:51 They will. Well, that's why it works in Japan. Nobody would do that. They're crime. They're so low. Yeah. Like you imagine that in San Francisco. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Good luck with that one. Yeah. Come on. I mean, I bet in a lot of, a lot of cities though, it would work fine. Obviously not in San Francisco, you know, where it's riddle. But I bet like small town places where everybody knows everybody. Like you, you like, if I feel like you're sure, you know what I'm saying? You're in a small, like I grew up in a small town where if like,

Starting point is 00:31:16 if somebody was jacking the Uber Eats, we'd figure out who it was. The town figured out, you know what I'm saying? There's the drone delivery things getting pretty close to. Oh yeah. I saw, I don't know if it's true or not, cause it was a picture, but it was Amazon had a blimp, and then they were like sending off drones from the blimp. Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 00:31:36 Yeah, cause I was like, oh, that would make sense. We're almost through the hub up there. So when I order on Amazon, oftentimes I could get, I could order something today and get it overnight. In other words, it'll be here like at midnight or something. They'll drop it off my door. We're almost, we're getting close to the point where you'll buy something within two hours. It'll just fly it to your house. Isn't that, doesn't that just scream what a problem we have?

Starting point is 00:31:58 Yes. Like, and, and how effective, remember we talked about this, was it on air when we talked about the whole single button thing and you were talking about how I did? Yeah, yeah, we did. That was how much of an impact. Oh, and that the fact that something instead of two days getting to you could be within two hours could probably make a difference of maybe millions or billions of dollars for Amazon. That's just wild to me.

Starting point is 00:32:18 It just shows you how much we just impulse buy. Yes. You know, just totally completely driven by impulse. Like what would you need from Amazon that you would need? Sounds interesting to me though. Doesn't it seem like the quality is going way down because they're out competing a lot of these They're basically cloning a lot of products. Yeah, it just seems like you're getting shitty Products versions of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you still you I mean you can still find quality I mean it doesn't in, in a crazy environment,

Starting point is 00:32:47 as far as economic environment that we're in right now, it doesn't matter because people need to save the money. Yeah. So it's like, I think you would probably get more people than not would say, hey, I'll take a cheaper, crappier version for a fraction of the price than better quality for having to pay 10 times the price.

Starting point is 00:33:04 Yeah, my cousin was saying, just speaking along these lines, because when I went to order like DoorDash or Uber Eats, whatever, typically somebody English is their second language. So it's giving them an opportunity, right? It's a job, they're making money, I like it. Give them a nice tip if they do a good job, the whole deal. But that's gonna be gone, that job will be gone very soon. Very soon it's gonna be automated cars and that's not going to exist. And I was

Starting point is 00:33:27 talking to my cousin about this and he says, it's really crazy. He's in the tech space. He goes, all the white collar jobs are getting replaced. He goes, I know he goes and now he also works with managing people's money. He says, I have plumbers now that are making more than lawyers that I work with. We predicted that. Remember we said that we said the plumbers now that are making more than lawyers that I work with. Yeah, we predicted that. Remember, we said that we said the plumbers, electricians, like, you know, I speak of like those types of jobs. Like I was going to the contractors, I sent over to you guys. I think Justin said he saw, I don't know if you saw it or not, but we're,

Starting point is 00:33:57 and we've been on this like kick talking about AR, VR, like competitions or that. And the AR for contractors. I thought was so cool. I saw that. So cool. I showed my dad. Really smart. So my dad's worked in construction his entire life

Starting point is 00:34:10 and I showed him that and he was blown away. Yes. So literally what it is is you, you walk through the 3D. You wear the AR, you go up to a, what's that thing called? QR code. You get the QR code and then the pulls up the plans

Starting point is 00:34:23 as if the building is in front of you. Yeah. You're walking inside it now. So now you can see where the two by fours go, where the wiring go, and you could just place brilliant. I mean, so brilliant that you could be somebody who doesn't have the skill that well. And you can imagine somebody like, like imagine, like you and I, right? Definitely could like, can barely do anything, right? Bare to screw in a light bulb. But imagine if we had these goggles and you wanted to build a, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:48 a shed in your backyard, like I would do it now. If I had something I could put it on there and it's like, and it has Oh, two by four, the two, everything all organized virtually for you like that. We're, I don't know if I'd still do it. You're right. That's funny. You say that, that's such a next step. That is, that is though. You say that, that's such the next step. That requires me to do it. That is though.

Starting point is 00:35:05 It's going to be like that. I was, because I was kind of like laughing to myself because Courtney's trying really hard to be this like handy, like, like fix things up around the house and like do these things like she's. She's trying to step in your turn. Right. And so I'm like, okay, like this is fun to watch. But it's like, you know, sometimes it works out,

Starting point is 00:35:30 but she's been just using YouTube, you know? Yeah. And I'm like, of course, you know, then they're kind of walking them through. But then it doesn't always like work out the way you hope. And then if you don't know how to troubleshoot, it's you're kind of fucked, you know, at a certain point. But I was like, wow, this got her a lot further from having no experience. Oh, I mean that's how I do everything

Starting point is 00:35:50 Now you get the AR it's gonna be it's gonna be I YouTube everything bro. I YouTube everything. Yeah, so that this is the next level to that It's like not now they'll be like I'll show you yeah, there'll be an AR version of that Imagine that you put the piece of wood in front the IR or show you cut here. Yes measure here Here's where the screw goes exactly. I know I mean it's that I mean it might get someone like me to do that It was that it was that bulletproof. I would probably do it You know what Jessica does is she doesn't do that the the handy stuff But she the way she gets me to do it if she starts starts it

Starting point is 00:36:21 Yeah, so like something will come in she'll order something come in, she'll order something. The damn zone distress? No, no, this is what she does. She'll order something from Amazon that needs to be put together. And I look at it and be like, I'll do it maybe tomorrow or the day after whatever. She'll open it and do like the first three steps and then leave it. Like, okay, I guess I gotta put this together now. It's such a girl hack, I think. Totally.

Starting point is 00:36:43 I know. I'm terrible at that stuff. Anyway, I found some interesting studies on red light therapy and eyesight. So, you know, we have the Juve light and it's bright red light. And sometimes people like, should I look at it? Do I not look at it? I asked about it. It's good for your eyes. It's it's yes.

Starting point is 00:37:01 It's actually good for you. I pulled up studies on, I mean, there's lots of studies on red light therapy and I'm gonna read some to you and your eyes. So check. Doesn't it seem like that's, that can't be the case cause any other light that you just stare directly into is not gonna be helpful.

Starting point is 00:37:19 Well, I think if you close your eyes, you're still gonna get, cause your eyelids are so thin, you're still gonna get, so the brightness might be an issue. But if you close your eyes and stand in front of it, you're gonna get improvements. And it says here, studies have shown that it helps with retinal inflammation, diabetic retinopathy. So people who have diabetes induced inflammation of the retinal vessels down regulates the expression of genes and fibroblast cells that are responsible for cell death, stress response, it boosts nitric oxide. And then it's also been shown, I found a study that showed that it helped with nearsightedness. Really? People actually improved their vision.

Starting point is 00:37:55 That's wild. By using red light, it helps with eye floaters. Do you guys have eye floaters? You ever do that? Sometimes. Yeah, I floaters. You know, when you close your eyes or whatever and it looks like, or you're looking at something that looks like something's just like gel from the back of your eye socket. You never seen that little squiggly's comes. You don't have those. No, I think so. You never had them really?

Starting point is 00:38:13 Really? Not that I'm not that I'm. They look like little parasites just floating around. It's like, you're scary. Yeah. You never had that. We look at something bright and it looks like something's going. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:21 It's just kind of floating by. No. Anyway, Ethan has those recently. If he hit his, I think he hit his head and it, you know's going, it's just kind of floating by. No? Anyway, Ethan, as was recently, he hit his, uh, I think he hit his head and it, you know, anyway, they checked him out and he's okay, but yeah. Well, anyway, it's got a lot of, uh, helps with lazy eye. I don't know that. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah. I mean, it's wild. I mean, I, I mean, it makes sense, right? If it boosts, if it helps mitochondrial health, then the hub of all cells, cells are in your, we're all made up of cells. That's why it's like kind of obvious, right? It's like it's pretty much good for everything. Yeah. So I've noticed myself,

Starting point is 00:38:52 my eyesight starting to slowly get a little worse. Like if I look at my phone or something up close for too long and then I look up, it takes me a second to adjust. Or like my ability to switch from dark to bright takes a second to adjust. Dude, reading anything for me that's like, is more than an arm length distance away.

Starting point is 00:39:09 Really? It's not good. So I'm pretty good, typically with things that are far away. Cause I got LASIK eye surgery like 20 years ago and it's still stuck. But now I'm noticing things up close. I used to be super good with things up close. Now I'm doing this thing. When I'm looking at my be the dork that starts wearing glasses.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Yeah, I'm too scared of lasers. They make glasses. I remember when I wanted to wear glasses. Yeah. I go glasses are cool. You still call people glasses dorks. Such a bully for it. They're they're they're bro.

Starting point is 00:39:37 It's like fashionable to wear glasses. Not even need them these people wear them all the time. All the time prescription. All the time. They don't even need nothing. They're just yeah, but I'm not like a poser. Yeah. Yeah. No No you need them. Well, you need them. It's good. I do need them Hey, why don't you go old school get a monocle? Get the thick ones, you know the big old yeah, I would be buddy Holly, you know those

Starting point is 00:39:58 Are coming back Those hockey brothers there's like a picture of Yeah, that's the only time I think I've seen they make they make like some Tom Ford's that are like that They're like real thick old school looking ones like oh dude. I did I did another I don't know if you guess you call it a tweet still even though it's called X not Twitter I did a tweet that was very controversial again. I didn't realize what you do this time So you know babies is a no-no. We figured that one out. Guns and babies are a no-no.

Starting point is 00:40:26 Cleaning my gun with my son in my lap, that apparently triggered a bunch of people. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. So here's what I wrote. Now that I'm gonna read it, now it sounds pretty bad. But here's what I wrote. Now what I did is I did, I post in ghost.

Starting point is 00:40:39 I don't even read comments anymore. That's a good idea. And I leave. So I come back. It's like crop dusting. She only moved. It's exactly what it was doing, it's like crop dusting. You only move. Exactly. Crop dusting. There you go. Yeah. Fart fart and walk away. Not for everybody. So what I came, some people enjoy it.

Starting point is 00:40:52 I came back. Listen, I came back like hours later, 30,000 woes, like 90, like a bunch of shares and a lot of people were like pissed off. So here's what I wrote. Okay. It says, and now this is not, all right, I'm not going to defend it. I'm just going to say it. The, it literally says tattoos and body modifications are an easy way to tell. If someone has experienced a lot of trauma. And now I'm, I'm not judging anything. I didn't say it was good or bad or anything like that.

Starting point is 00:41:20 Of course. Oh boy. People get really mad. And I was referring to data. I had just read some study on, the reason why I posted it is I read this article on body modifications. By the way, there's a spectrum.

Starting point is 00:41:32 So if you're like one tattoo versus like covered in them or whatever, by the way, also here's what I love. Defensive people are so ridiculous. I trigger people, this is the comment they put. Yeah, but so is being obsessed about the gym. Like, yes, yes, that also shows that you probably do some trouble. Oh yeah, so steroids, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:51 Body modifications that also encompasses people that do extreme things to their body, including taking performance enhancing drugs. That all qualifies, but it's a spectrum. It's definitely, and the data shows that the more you're on this side, the more likely you probably have scrawl. These nipples pearsons are just for fun.

Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah. Well, and the key there, they're the most important part. A couple of people are like, what about your co-host? I'm like, ask them yourself. Yeah. You haven't denied any of my trauma. Trauma. Trauma City.

Starting point is 00:42:18 Trauma City. Over here on my ribs. Dude. Yeah, people got really... It's a real deal. Dude. There's some cathartic about the pain really. It's a real deal. Oh, dude. I was like, I'm. There's some cathartic about the pain too. That's all part of the process, right?

Starting point is 00:42:29 It's like, yeah, you kind of are drawn to that. And then football, same thing, heavy metal. Like there's all of that is some kind of angst that I. I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. There's probably some subconscious, deep rooted, traumatic reasoning behind all of mine.

Starting point is 00:42:44 But for me, it was like cool. Like this sleeve tattoos became a cool thing. I didn't do it for as long as I did because I wasn't sure if I was going to be employed by somebody else. When I was when I made a lot of money, I had enough money that I could afford to have a tattoo artist come to my house every single day for an entire year in my house. Is that what you do? It was big. It was like a flex for me. I don't know. Somebody came to your house every day for every Sunday we had, we watched,

Starting point is 00:43:05 we had, I had them all day at my house. And if I wasn't getting tatted, one of my friends were getting tatted for a whole year. And we went, I had football run in. We weren't friends or how it had been over. Yeah. That was the scene. So for me, it was like this big flex.

Starting point is 00:43:17 Well, it was about. Well, so the thing about this is, cause it wasn't a judgment. I didn't say it's good or bad, but here's the thing about trauma, which is true. By the way, there's big trauma, little trauma. Everybody's had some, one or the other or both or whatever. But the truth is trauma also can lead to tremendous growth.

Starting point is 00:43:36 Some of the most growth-minded, wise people you'll ever find are people who experienced the most trauma. So it wasn't a judgment. It didn't mean to be a judgment. I think it's funny for someone to get defensive about that. They've been through a lot. I, I wear it as a badge of honor. Dude, it's like, yeah, I went through a bunch of shit. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:43:53 Like, I think the idea to get defensive about that is, is, is interesting. To me, that means that you probably. It's rebellious. You know, it's definitely a part of my motivation. It's just like, it just didn't get it, you know, that people had issues with it. You know, so there definitely a part of my motivation. It was just like, I just didn't get it, you know, that people had issues with it, you know, so there's that. But again, also under body modifications is the category of people who do extreme things

Starting point is 00:44:15 to their bodies, that don't have nothing to do with tattoos, like working out like crazy, taking tons of supplements, being on steroids, like all the stuff that we see in our space also tied to Trump. Once dashboard confessional, I saw, you know, those guys come out. I was like, I'm done getting tattoos. Oh, ruined it for me. Why?

Starting point is 00:44:35 Cause dude, they're just playing like this, like sappy lame love pop songs with like fully tatted necktats and everything. And I was just like, it's come full circle now, right? Like now, like your kids, you guys, is it, cause you're getting close at age where people probably talk to you. I wonder if it's not popular anymore. Yeah, I don't think it's popular

Starting point is 00:44:52 to get tatted up anymore, right? As kind of, once we did the whole face thing, it kind of, that was like the full history. They went too far. Yeah, and then now it's kind of going back the other way where it's like a cool flex to not have tattoos, I think. Yeah. I don't know, all the mumble wrappers ruined it, I guess.

Starting point is 00:45:05 Maybe. You know, speaking of stuff like this and image and all stuff, you made a comment the other day with our editors. They now put your thumbnail picture of you on a couple of our videos. Just to test it. We got to look and see what the performance looks like. So Justin made a comment.

Starting point is 00:45:18 What was his comment? You're like, oh, I see you never put my face on the thumbnail. But hey, you know, what's the wrong about? He's farting. That's why I was saying. he's always fartin that's why he's always he's always weird yeah no and just need a pose for the camera for a while yeah again one of the the the drawbacks is sitting on this side apparently bad lighting yeah I don't and looking I don't look this way I'm looking this way

Starting point is 00:45:39 I'm looking at the one the latest one with your face on it this is your camera and it's crushing they don't want to like flip it. You know, that's you right there, bro. Hey, guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess whatever excuse they're throwing out now, they're like, oh no, let's let's put them out there.

Starting point is 00:45:55 They know that Adam and I are insecure. You know what I mean? No, they know I don't care. So we got to split the time between Adam and Adam. So I'm convinced that's nothing to do with the looks and everything to do with like liked or hated. And since these platforms are built on controversy, having one of our hated faces is freaking

Starting point is 00:46:12 a better controversial pull. Yes. You'll get the ones that support like, Team Sam South. Team Sam South. Team Sam South. Everybody's like, Justin, everybody wants Justin. Pepsi.

Starting point is 00:46:22 It was all neutral, like I had to say. I'm over here like Dr. Pepper. No, no, no. Your pizza. Get out of here. Get out of here. I was going to ask you your opinion, Justin. You watched, I sent you that spiritual leader girl, Teal Swan.

Starting point is 00:46:35 Yeah. You watched the documentary on it. Yeah, you wanted me to do a little investigation. Okay, so I've seen her clips on, you know, on social media and she sounds. She's a huge following. She sounds brilliant on some of her stuff. Some of her stuff I heard her talk about. She's like, from the little bit,

Starting point is 00:46:50 and I wanna hear your opinion because you actually did a deep dive. But from the outside looking in, she's like a smart, good-looking twin flames. That's the vibe I got. She's good looking, she's charismatic. I got smart, good-looking twin flames. Cause those guys, I can't believe those guys had this

Starting point is 00:47:05 Spiritualism kind of realm. That's why I said smart good looking a smart good-looking version of them You got deep-packed Chopra. You got like a lot of these sort of people that are there Speaking a lot of spiritualism. So like there's kind of people that float on the fringe of like I don't want to be part of an organized Religion, but I like they play all the religion There's kind of people that float on the fringe of like, I don't want to be part of an organized religion, but I like- They play all the religion- Yeah, like the universe.

Starting point is 00:47:28 They play by all the religion of a playbook hero. Right, and so what was interesting is, because you even mentioned like her past story of like trauma and everything was like kind of the compelling- It's not just that. Peace, right? It's not just that. So this is what blew me-

Starting point is 00:47:42 So I've seen her clips and I've watched them and listened to them and these are short clips. And a lot of what she said, I'm like, wow, that's incredibly insightful. That sounds very wise. Like that's very interesting. And so then I saw, I don't remember where I saw this, but I saw the story on her in the, was it the 80s?

Starting point is 00:47:58 It might've been the 80s or 90s. There was this like string, there was this hype in hysteria around satanic cults. Yeah. She was... It was literally a social contagion. Yes. She was one of the children who apparently talked to this therapist that the therapist,

Starting point is 00:48:12 there was this famous therapist that came out that said, all these kids were ritualistically abused by satanic cults. She was one of them. And now she's the spiritual leader. Yeah. And she still talks about it, how she survived... Allegedly. Yes. Yes. Because there's no proof. Right. She's the spiritual leader. And she still talks about it, how she survived. Well, allegedly.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Yes, yes. Because there's no proof. Right. And so this is where you kind of get into the, oh, well, what does she say that's really like legitimately real and what's not real? It's tough to decipher. And so you start kind of like getting examples of that

Starting point is 00:48:41 when people question her. And well, I'm glad. So I did do some, I guess I picked up on some of her content that was like the fringe stuff or the readily accessible stuff that like does, she sounds very articulate and has really good points that she brings up to kind of help people find their authentic self. And you know, it's all like real big like self empowerment, self reflection, like face your trauma kind of stuff, right? Which is a lot of that whole sphere, they all deal with that. But I mean she doesn't have like a psychological background in any kind of like education.

Starting point is 00:49:18 No, no formal education. No formal education. I mean obviously there's a lot of trauma and abuse and things like she's gone up and like sort of self-taught How to overcome these things is trying to kind of convey that she's got like these desperate followers it like really like entrenched followers like very like because They all it becomes like it's it's it's a welcoming place of family And so this is where this is where like the culty stuff like community Self-awareness self-imment, you do that formula right there. I don't care if you're religious, non-religious, what it is, and you're going to get results.

Starting point is 00:49:54 People are suffering. People that decide that they have trauma issues and they decided to wake up, first of all, self-awareness, and then they decided to put the work in, improve them, we'll see positive results, and then if you pair that with a community of other people, they're going through it too. Yeah, good formula. If that's all I saw, I'd be like applauding, and I'd be like, yes, great, because you're leading people towards self-empowerment and being able to tackle a lot of these things. But then you watch this documentary documentary, the deep end,

Starting point is 00:50:26 I believe it's called, and they get into the inner circle part of it. So she does retreats and the things where they spend like a couple grand to go to these retreats. And it's, it's more intensive, right? And so this gets into the dealing with the facing the trauma stuff. And so to be able to face it, I mean, there was some real controversial techniques and things used that I observed. You know, like, I guess, what do you call it? You call it waterboarding when somebody holds you down in the water, they come back up to get a breath and you push it back down. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:51:02 Yeah, something like that. Yeah, they waterboard this poor lady who, and again, this is kind of where you go look and see how much of this was portrayed in a certain way because of the person editing it. So there was parts that were filmed earlier that they kind of smashed in to make it look a little bit more intense, but still happen. Okay.

Starting point is 00:51:26 This still happened. This was poorly was questioning her. And she was just like, you know, had had issues with the fact that she's not getting better. None of this is making her a better person. Like she's, she's just getting further down the spiral of her depression and suicidal thoughts. And it's just, it's getting worse. And so, and her response and reaction to that was horrendous. Like literally gave her nothing in terms of like good advice after that and waited her out and then took her through this intensive like waterboarding treatment to then finally get

Starting point is 00:52:05 her to submit to her, um, you know, her method, methodology. And like, so anyway, it just, you started to see signs of anybody that had any kind of question of her, who, who would be a figure of somebody who she looks at as another authority that is like somebody's her mentor. Why do I need a mentor? that is like somebody's her mentor, why do I need a mentor? You know, it's just like, it's a self-assumed divinity. Like you start really getting into it,

Starting point is 00:52:31 it's like this, like she has the answer for everything until she does it, and then it's all fucked. Interesting, yeah. Yeah, cause like I said, I saw her clips, I'm like, whoa, this is interesting. And I'm like, I want to send it to the best cult. Buy or beware, dude. The best cult sleuth I've ever.

Starting point is 00:52:47 Also, she's been married five times and they've all ended like, like, really? Yes. So it's like, and then, but just quick, the dole out advice. And then also, I mean, she's removing people from their families, like in the inner circle part of it. So it's like, what, how many times are you allowed to be married before? That's like a massive red flag. Oh, God. Like what do you get? You get one mulligan. I feel like everybody deserves one mulligan. Yeah. Everybody deserves. I think I don't know. I was really young. I'm not, I didn't know what I'm doing.

Starting point is 00:53:14 Okay, mulligan one. That's fine. Two, three. When is it like, you got a huge problem. Hey man, it's probably you. Well, yeah, there's one common denominator. Yeah. You are the only common denominator. I would say probably three. Yeah. I feel like three is really good. If you get married a third, like if you get divorced three times, like, all right, you probably. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:32 Especially if it's in as you, because like. I mean, even two times would be tough. Especially depending on how old you are too, right? Like if you're getting, if you're still getting divorced into your late 30s, 40s, into 50s, like, man, you've got some serious shit you got to deal with. Like that you can't. Even if it just means that your problem is you just picked the wrong person.

Starting point is 00:53:49 Maybe, maybe you're not doing anything wrong other than allowing yourself to be with people who treat you. Right, right. You're attracting the wrong, the wrong person for you. So, you know, what's the most, do you guys know anybody's been married like tons of times? Yeah. My dad, dude, my stepdad.

Starting point is 00:54:01 He's been married, he's five. Five times? Yeah, he's five right. Let me, let me do the, hold on. Bah. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Yeah, he's on number five. Not number five.

Starting point is 00:54:13 That's the most I know. I know someone's been bad five times. Should I call it gluttin' for punishment? I feel like after a certain point, I would be like, it's almost like- My mom's on three, my stepdad's five. I mean, that's like, yeah, no, it's like, you're not very good at this.

Starting point is 00:54:28 Yeah, I told Jessica, I was like, if we don't work, like I'll never get married. Like why would you keep... Yeah, I think I feel like that too. I feel like why? Why at that point? You know what I'm saying? Like why do that if you're already messing up that many times?

Starting point is 00:54:40 I become a monk or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, just go in the opposite direction. You gotta know about that. Completely. I'm done. It's a little too far. Yeah. So anyway, like I, I'm, she's in the wellness space, like technically and there's like, people are fanatically following her. I saw, I'm sure I'm going to get hate for even bringing this up, but of course she will. It's just like it's a reality. Drink the Kool-Aid already. Yeah. I definitely did not drink the Kool-Aid. Yeah, I definitely not drink the Kool-Aid you have to be careful with this kind of stuff

Starting point is 00:55:07 But you know what you know Here's the thing though that I've noticed with a lot of these very popular people I felt like this about I can't believe I forgot his name most googled man ever. Oh, Andrew Tate. Okay This side felt about Andrew Tate as well Is that that they can say a lot of things that are true? Yeah So people get mad because they're like, oh, but this is true and this is true. And they did this.

Starting point is 00:55:28 We're not discounting that. Yes. And they're gonna end up helping a lot of people. Yes. So the most effective people. That's why they're so entrenched. That's right. In this situation, they have a lot of truth.

Starting point is 00:55:38 That's one of the reasons why they get so popular. Yeah, yeah. No, there's no doubt. They resonate. No, no, I agree. Yeah, speaking of resonating, Justin, the C-Max, Selen no, I agree. Yeah. Speaking of resonating, Justin, the, uh, C max, salenque, uh, peptide combo. Amazing, right?

Starting point is 00:55:50 Wow. Wow. It's my, it's my jam. Wow. I've been on it for the last, I don't know, two months. So you did C max. Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:57 So link is another one that is, so C max has, uh, properties that are more, um, wakefulness. So like wake you up. So length has more enzyolytic effects kind of anxiety reducing both new tropics combo. You can combo them or alternate days. But it is I mean, he's also or yeah, they're both nasal. It's like a saline is like a very calm feel good. You guys both got it, but I didn't get it.

Starting point is 00:56:25 Huh? Yeah. Well, we requested it. You're talking to people. Do. Yeah. I see you guys. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:31 Yeah. And the dihex I mean, I don't know. It's like it's, I've been trying to find that right combo, especially like for cognitive boost cause and just, you know, memory recall, but this has been as close as I've got so far. Yeah. You, oh, so those three combos together.

Starting point is 00:56:45 Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. If you're interested, go to mphormones.com and they'll set you up and see what it looks like. You know, speaking of cognitive stuff, did you see that the official first neural link procedure has gone through and the persons are like, pull up, Doug, the first head?

Starting point is 00:57:03 Yeah, yeah. It's already gone through. So was this a somebody who was paraplegic? I remember they were going in that direction. First I thought somebody who, so first neuro link patient who had a chip and planted in their brain a few weeks ago, made a full recovery and can now control computer mouse using only their thoughts. What? Yeah. This sounds like a movie. You know what I mean? Like we're helping someone. Dude, we're straight cyborgs now.

Starting point is 00:57:28 Wasn't Lawnmower Man like that? Wasn't he like a dude that went into the computer and then he became evil and like tried to like. That's a horror movie, right? Yeah, that's an old one. I remember. Wasn't that, so sounds like a movie. That's like late 80s, early 90s.

Starting point is 00:57:41 No. Yes, yes, that's 90s at the latest. Doug, look at Lawnmower Man. Let's see what the plot is. I feel like he was a dude that was- Who was the main character? Wasn't he paralyzed? And then he went-

Starting point is 00:57:51 Is that Johnny Depp? Who's the main guy? Who's the main guy in- Val Kilmer? Is it Lawnmower Man? Oh, I don't remember. Was it Val Kilmer? I don't remember.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Lawnmower Man? Yeah. Never heard of it. Oh, really? That was a good movie. Oh, Pierce Brosnan's in it. Oh, Jeff Fahey. I have no idea who that is.

Starting point is 00:58:09 What's the year? Uh, 1992. Oh yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Look at that. Early 90s, dude. You're not even taking C-max and saline. I did take some dihaxa though. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:58:18 What's the, uh, what's, what's the plot? I thought it was a dude that goes into his computer. It is something, it is something like that. Right. There's this guy who has a doctor, Angelo, a scientist who decides to experiment on this guy and give him greater intelligence. Hmm. Uh, so he gives this guy super human abilities, but also increases his aggression,

Starting point is 00:58:40 turning him into a man obsessed with evolving into a digital being. Yeah. You know what's crazy about this? Is that we know what's gonna happen. We've made movies about it. We know our own psychology. Oh yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:58:52 Frankenstein, like, oh, that's an old one, right? We create life. We have a listen though, like, the way this is getting started is, I mean, imagine that was your family member. Who, that's who the, NeuroLink is not. We jumped to lawn mower, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:04 Okay. We jumped to lawn, but that's not why it's... not, we jumped to lawn mower, man. Yeah. We jumped to lawn, but that's not why we can't help it. We've watched too many sci-fi films. I know, but I mean, the, the idea of this is to take people that yeah, are disabled and to get, I mean, imagine if that was your family member, who you couldn't even communicate with cause they're, they're, they're in a building of that. And now you put it now they're actually having conversations. The door, bro.

Starting point is 00:59:27 Yeah. And then the, the monsters come to it. I mean, I don't know. I just felt, I mean, hopefully that we, uh, I mean, here's what you do. You never know who's, who's hands it could falls in, right? Or just what markets will turn it into. Well, that's, that's interesting. They, so it was success in that it wasn't rejected and they can communicate.

Starting point is 00:59:47 Did you pull up the article Doug or no? Uh, yeah, I was pulling up the other one. I had, I had them sidetracked. I see that. So, uh, yes. So first the patient has received neurolink implant. That's it. That's how you go for us.

Starting point is 01:00:01 Well, that's all I got. I mean, no new for me. I mean, all I know right now, I'm working on an issue for the business. I have something going on. So what I can find on it. Oh, there's our other producer Elon Musk's announcement of it. He hasn't provided any medical evidence. I guess when they did it on monkeys before it was.

Starting point is 01:00:18 No, no, no, it's it's it's already been on the person. I have. Yeah, yeah, hold on. I probably have the link in there. So it's definitely they it was first early patient who had a chip and planted in their brain a few weeks ago, made a full recovery and can now control a computer mouse using their thoughts. Oh, that's so weird.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Yeah. That's so crazy. So it's not full access to the internet yet. I'll send you guys into the YouTube group. Yeah. I'll send an article. It's just one, one little thing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:43 Cause full access to the internet would be, we don't know what that would do. Your brain would melt. Or you would just, would you be fine? Or you prompted it somehow. I mean, you saw the other one too that was on 60 Minutes, right? Where the, it was like, it was external, it wasn't implanted in the brain. It was external, like around this ear,

Starting point is 01:00:59 and it was basically like a Google search, you know, that he was getting. And he was like answering questions. Yeah, yeah. Weird. I know. That is so. I mean, that is 100% coming.

Starting point is 01:01:08 I mean, there's no doubt in my, that's going to be so trippy, dude. It's weird, man. It's a trip to think that it's like, when I was a kid and you saw movies like Lawnmower Man or things like that. And like, yeah, I'm going to be dead for. Which ones are the most accurate, right? Cause there's so many versions of a lot of these things. Player one.

Starting point is 01:01:25 Even like, like cyborg things. I forget the name of the character in Star Wars even, but they had like a guy that was completely like tapped in to, you know, being able to talk to all the different to robots and everything and being accessing the internet. I just feel like that's completely gonna happen, but what variation of that are we gonna see? I mean, I think, if you guys had a guess,

Starting point is 01:01:51 like a future, I think Ready Player One did one of the best. I just watched that again with my son. I mean, I feel like it's the most. They did do a damn good job. Yeah. Look what it says right there. It says, doctors are concerned about Neuralink's first patient.

Starting point is 01:02:02 Neuralink is only sharing the bits that they want us to know about. So this is what I was getting at earlier. He hasn't published any sort of evidence that he just kind of announced it. And the concern is that when they were testing it on monkeys, there was a bunch of botched surgeries. Oh, like their brains were swelling, monkeys were dead. Oh, okay. Oh, well well that sucks. Well, I mean, there's no doubt. It's worked. It definitely worked. But speaking of brain swelling, I've been reading a lot about a

Starting point is 01:02:32 compound that's been used in food forever. Um, and there were, there's been a lot of studies done on this compound called curcumin that you find in turmeric for inflammation. Um, it's a remarkable compound. That's in turmeric. Yeah. So turmeric has a component or, or something in it called curcumin. Oh, I thought they were independent of each other.

Starting point is 01:02:52 And for inflammation, in fact, pharma companies have been studying it for a while, trying to figure out how the hell, why is it so effective? Um, but it's a natural compound. You could supplement with it, but make sure you add a fat because that allows it to get utilized. What you need a fat to transport it. Transport it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:10 So, so organifies gold juice is high in this compound. So this is why you drink it before bed. Is there a fat in that? Uh, no. So if you make it, yes. I was just going to say use, uh, like I use macadamia nut milk, which is a decent amount of fat. Yeah. Okay. Um, or you can put it, you could use butter. You could use, you know, conventional milk, but you want to use the fact. I don't know if I've ever heard them say that. Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't know that. Yeah. Like a, like a fat soluble vitamin, like vitamin D without a fat, you absorb a lot less of it than if you have it with the fat.

Starting point is 01:03:42 a lot less of it than if you have it with the fat. Isn't CBD like that too? It has a pair to a fat molecule. No, cannabinoids are also, they're also fat soluble. That's why when you, how do they cook or get the trichones off? Don't they have to use like butter or that's old school, right? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I got an email that I want to read as our shout out.

Starting point is 01:04:00 You guys got to hear this incredible. What do you guys hear over there? Oh, well, I had something else that we had before you end the show. Yeah, it was if you heard of comb jellyfish comb, comb. No. So like in the very depths of the ocean, they found these like comb jellyfish, which you've seen before, they have like these sort of spines that are all iridescent like rainbow, and they look like little comb teeth that kind of travel down. And so they have a different nervous system than most creatures. But the interesting part to them is, I believe one of

Starting point is 01:04:41 the scientists removed one of their brains when they were like dissecting it and it Regenerated it within three to five days its own brain. It's own brain. I wonder if the memories are still there Yeah, I have no idea but like that this is the only creature They found that can like that has that kind of regenerative property to it. It's like Can you imagine if they can figure out what that mechanism is? Isn't it jellyfish that live the longest lives? There's examples of something like thousands of years old. Really? I thought the oldest animal ever. Shark? Yeah, was that a shark? No, shark. Shark is, there's like a shark 400 something years old, but then I thought I read

Starting point is 01:05:21 jellyfish. I think. Like they don't die from age in other words. They only die from age old or something like that. But I'm just thinking, because the peptide's a Wolverine, it's like, dude, in nature, I mean, look at that. Like that's like something insane if we can figure that out, like what that would do for. It reminds me of a study I read where they, they healing where they wiped the memory of a snail.

Starting point is 01:05:43 I'm like, how the hell did they figure that out? Hey, how they confirm that memory? Oh my God, we done it. Yeah, he forgot everything. How they been moving very far. Let's go put in humans now. That's a dumb experiment. All right, I got to read this email

Starting point is 01:05:59 because this is a very like incredibly humbling email from one of our listeners. It, it's a woman, uh, and she wrote, um, I'm amazed with the information you guys put out there and all the random entertaining conversations. She goes, this is what you've done for me. I'm single 48 year old woman living in Australia. I lost my daughter six years ago. Very sad. And I moved to the States to give me a new start as I separated from her father.

Starting point is 01:06:23 I was depressed, sick with a heart condition. It had no friends. I was in complete isolation with a heart condition, I had no friends. I was in complete isolation except for my interaction at work in a Macat. With grief, I gained over 30 pounds. I started training to help myself to fight my demons and it made me not take any depression, anxiety, medication. In there, she writes how she went vegan,

Starting point is 01:06:42 but then through listening through us, she started eating more eggs and how we saved her essentially saying. She says she was, she was depressed listening to us, help her transition into feeling better. Um, and basically, um, how we helped her so much through this hard time, but I want to show you her before and after. And I'm going to, Doug, I'm going to send this before and after these pictures to you so you could post them. So to the youtuber. Because, uh, yeah, you know what, let me do that. Let me just send it to you. They're going to want it anyway.

Starting point is 01:07:10 So send it to me. Yeah. You guys got to pull it. Check out your phones on this. I'm going to send her before and then I'm going to send you her after. And I'm like, unbelievably blown away by the transformation that this woman made through, made through through fitness This is her before you just that's her before okay. Look at the after which is about to come

Starting point is 01:07:29 I mean she developed an incredible Whoa, whoa, no way. Look at that. Wow. Molly. Isn't that amazing? Wow? Yeah, so but anyway Her name is Raj and I want to give her a shout out. We really appreciate you saying that to us. And you know, I'm glad we could help you. Wow. That's awesome. Very cool story. Remember to drink Z-biotics before drinking alcohol, drink responsibly. Look, Z-biotics is a probiotic drink made with genetically modified

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Starting point is 01:08:37 How can we help you? We're good. I'm good over here. Um, nice to see you all. I've never really watched it on the YouTube or wherever it is you do it. I just listened to podcasts every morning when I walk around my neighborhood for an hour or so. Well, we less handsome than we say it sells. Ugly as he says.

Starting point is 01:08:55 Well, you, um, your content on the education that you provide is very attainable for the general public. So when I share with my family and friends, I'm giving them something that they can listen to for your entertainment and a little bit of learning that isn't me. Yeah, I'm running their ear. So thanks Lauren. Thank you. Nice. All right. So my question has to do with movement patterns and which direction

Starting point is 01:09:19 to go to possibly actually resolve the problem. I know enough to stretch myself out, manually treat the symptoms, to resolve it for the moment, but that it appears again. I thought about funding a good manual PT to assess me, actually watch me move and get their input. I have an osteopath who I've seen multiple times. It's usually a yearly visit who resolves it with just a quick treatment pelvic rotations ribs are usually out slightly I've always thought is can I really do it on my own with symmetry or some of those non flattering smaller You know the exercises that are not always the big movements that we want to do and entertain ourselves with

Starting point is 01:10:04 It's the big movements that we want to do and entertain ourselves with. We're working out since I was 15 in some capacity. I crossfitted in my 20s for years. I used to teach classes at my local Y prior to having kids. I would teach for six times a week. Now I'm just walking in the mornings and I'm running here, maps 15 and maps 15 advanced using the prime one to two times a week. I wish I was a little more consistent. The movements that used to elicit this pain,

Starting point is 01:10:32 it used to be a lot more painful, pain cleans, handstand pushups, movements like that. And now that I'm not cross-pitting and doing those big movements, windmills did at the beginning when I started maps 15 and now as I'm getting stronger, I think they're helping. And then I've been going a little bit heavier on all my lifts and I can just feel a lot of tension,

Starting point is 01:11:00 a lot of tightness through this whole right side that I know that it would just be documented as dysfunction, like something's not working together. It's a little bit weaker or whatnot. I'm also working a little bit on paying more attention to my toes, not crossing my legs, which not a lot of people might pay attention to, but as we like cross our legs and those inductors get really tight, seems like it tightens up our toes. So then we're not using those. Trying to use my toes as

Starting point is 01:11:30 fingers when I'm walking, use my toes when I'm lifting. I used to be one of those girls that would like squat and the toes would come up and it's just really not a good habit because it's here now. So yeah. Oh, sorry. My shoulder blade appears to have some slight wing in the back. Structurally, it's moved and kind of rounded, obviously, and it's dropped. I've noticed that over the years. I move a lot, but I also do sit on and off. I stand and sit in a variety of positions throughout the day. Whenever I've had a massage, she talks a lot about how tight the pecs are. So I'll do the doorway stretch, whatever,

Starting point is 01:12:09 breathe, try to get the fascia to release a little bit. I have two little girls, they're two and four. It breastfed them both and carry them because I have little kids. The right side discomfort and tightness feels mostly through the rhomboids and then the hip capsule externally More so than internally, but if I'm like bathing them and I'll go to lean in I can really feel it internally and then the sore

Starting point is 01:12:35 Aspects is really deep deep core. Maybe the QL and the trap is always overactive So you guys talk a lot about the movement patterns or improvement patterns and long time neural networks kind of forming. So I wanted some help. So give me, give me kind of a, just a short real short, where is the pain? Yeah. Specifically you got trap. I hear shoulder, shoulder girdle trap.

Starting point is 01:13:01 I hear QL, I hear hip. We get a lot going on. Yeah. Is this, is this all on the right side? It's all on the right side. And I would say if I'm having pain, I think it's right in my rhomboid. It's right where my fingers would touch back here.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Between my spine and my shoulder blade, the muscles all through that, tender for no reason. And then the external, the tight all through that, like tender for no reason. Um, and then the external, like the tightness is the external hip capsule. Okay. And it's mostly on the right. And do you have general kind of stiffness and pain anywhere else? Or is it always seemed to be just on that right side? It's on the right side.

Starting point is 01:13:38 I mean, if I'm like tight or whatnot, I'll, again, do some breathing, like try to let the fascia release. When did this start becoming a thing where you notice these right side issues? I Noticed them when I was cross fitting a lot. I I'm an OT so the pts would just help me release like ribs or the tightness and I would again go on my merry way But um when did it start becoming more chronic? go on my merry way, but um when did it start becoming more chronic? Well, I'm 37 now. So it's been going on since that's for like 23. So it's just always reappearing, always reappearing all the time. Has it gotten worse? Has it gotten worse over the last, let's say like four years, three, four years? It was really bad when I was breastfeeding and if I'll carry the

Starting point is 01:14:26 girls in a backpack or something, like it'll get quite irritating. Where, where do you hold your kids? Right or left? Either way, one year. Okay. Well, that's good. Okay. So, um, so there could be a couple of things that are, that are happening here.

Starting point is 01:14:42 Yeah. It could be movement pattern issues that are causing compensations up and down. Have you ever had anyone, have you ever had a, an assessment that's that showed anything like a bulging disc or a slip disc or any disc issues or herniations? Um, no, but when I did have my first child, the anesthesiologist said something random in the middle of doing what he was doing about scoliosis that had never come up to me in my whole entire life. So it was just a comment. I mean, he said, I didn't know she had scoliosis. And I said, Oh, I didn't either. Let's have a baby.

Starting point is 01:15:17 Like, I don't know what my spine's doing that no one's ever mentioned. Yeah. You're doing all the right stuff, everything that you mentioned, but there's a, there's a few factors that I would look at. Um, one, so that's interesting about scoliosis. It does. S when you tend to see pain up and down or just kind of chronic, um, issues that all are on one side, I, I tend to see things coming from the spine with that, especially if it starts to feel like,

Starting point is 01:15:50 you know, kind of Bernie or Ake and you got to press on it to kind of make it go away. And then it kind of does, but then it comes back. So I would look at the spine. I would have a either a chiropractor or specialist look at your spine just to see if there's anything going on there. And the second thing is you do have little kids and we now have really good data that shows that both lack of like lack of sleep in general is one of the strongest predictors of injury and or pain. And I know what it's like to have two little kids. Your sleep is probably not great in comparison that maybe how it used to be. overall stress bucket, um, doing lots of correctional exercise on top of workouts. If it's overflowing your stress bucket, it's not going to help. It'll just start to make things worse. Now your workout, it says here, you're doing maps 15 plus priming twice a week.

Starting point is 01:16:36 Is that all you're doing for exercise? And walking. Yeah. Okay. So I think that's, I think you're moving in the right direction. I would, I would definitely do a little bit more of the correctional exercise stuff. Yeah. I would like to see her with prime pro and either running symmetry or running suspension. I think the combination of focusing primarily on prime pro type of movements for correctional work with a little bit of either suspension trainer or symmetry work.

Starting point is 01:17:04 And there's probably some stability. Yeah. Until we get to a point where we're seeing like vast improvements in this chronic pain, I would probably move her in that direction than advance because advanced, uh, max 15 is barbell compound movements, which I would love to get to that point, but I think we would need to, I would want to reduce you down to unilateral type of work or Zimmich or a suspension trainer type of work in combination with prime pro like I think the foundation would be prime pro.

Starting point is 01:17:33 Let's pick two or three of these prime pro movements that are showing the greatest return as far as how you feel. And then I would compliment it with some work with either the suspension trainer or unilateral. That's the direction I would go. No, I agree with that. Also, you said that the windmill was actually starting to make a little bit of progress for you. Did you feel like, you know, a little bit more stability? Did it come back and got tighter? Or was it something that was relieving?

Starting point is 01:18:00 It's getting better the more, the more I done the windmills, so it's been You know, I wasn't consistent for a while. I've been much more consistent and now I'm up to like 25 30 pounds with the windmills It doesn't bother me versus the beginning when I was doing the windmills five pounds, whatever And it was like lit up like tender shouldn't be happening now. I'm in a much better place with that specific movement And I, from like, from prime, what do I have? I just have prime, regular, is that the thing? Prime pro, yeah, prime pro would be a little bit more specific. Prime is the actual compass test, which I was gonna ask you, when you do the zone one test,

Starting point is 01:18:40 do you see a major discrepancy in your left and your right side when you're doing the wall test? Not as much as I would think. I mean, I'm pushing through it and just like, as uncomfortable as Doug looks like doing the test, like I'm uncomfortable, but it's done. The movements I've been doing are like the active pigeon and your thoracic mode against the doorway thing, which feels, I feel very tight doing that. And then the one where you guys have them prone on,

Starting point is 01:19:13 prone obviously on your belly and moving like so. So I wanna make sure I'm doing the right movements too, which I know is, it's like I kind of failed all of the zones, Like obviously, probably normal. That was the reason why I would, so I want to, I want to have Doug send Prime Pro over to you. And you know, we could sit here and guess some movements. I don't think what you're doing is wrong per se.

Starting point is 01:19:35 I'd like to see how you feel after some like active attraction. Have you ever done anything with like L Doa? Have you heard of L Doa? I've heard you guys mention it and I've been on YouTube and I'll get That might be really helpful. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to send you a video. So, so I've worked, I've had experience in a few cases with clients where they have pain and it's all on one side and it goes up and down and we, you know, we, okay, correctional exercise here, correctional exercise. It's like we're,

Starting point is 01:20:00 it's like we're playing the game whack-a-mole at the, you know, at the carnival. Like one pops up and you hit it, another one pops up. And then when I would have them do traction, active type traction, this is before I even knew about Aldoah, but I had worked with a correctional exercise specialist who did some other forms of active traction. All of a sudden they felt much better. Like there was some pressure on some nerves in their spine and that active, you know, traction, so active traction uses your body's fascia and muscles to create traction. It's not passive. Like you're hanging it upside down or having someone pull on your neck.

Starting point is 01:20:33 So we'll send you that video of Eldoa and you could practice that at home. And if you notice immediate relief, like if you do it and then you get out and you're like, Oh wow, like I feel a lot better. That would be something I would do on a rail. You could really use that. Yep. I would do that on a daily basis. And that would make the biggest impact. Cause otherwise what we're doing is we're, you know, we're, it's like we're putting out, we're, we're, we're, we're, you know, wafting the smoke

Starting point is 01:20:54 away, but we're not getting to the actual fire, which may be coming from your nerves. Yeah. There might be a nerve or two that are, that are slightly impinged or sometimes they're impinged and then it causes this dysfunction, you know, on that side. Let's do this then. So Doug, we send over prime pro to you. I also want to put you in the forum. Uh, we, if you go to, I mean, we can send it to you, but there's actually multiple videos with the LDOA. You can literally just go to YouTube and put mine pump and LDOA in there,

Starting point is 01:21:22 ELDOA, put that in the, in. Put that in there and you'll see three, four or five videos that we've done. I'll send you one specific one I want you to do though. And do some of those. But what will really help is getting your feedback and actually seeing some video of you moving in the form. So like what a lot of people use the private form for is for us to check form.

Starting point is 01:21:42 And so when you do movements like that inside there and then communicate with us, we also have Dr. Brink in there. Dr. Brink is who created prime and prime pro with us. And so he's an incredible resource and movement specialist that between the three of us and him, hopefully can get to the bottom of what will help you the

Starting point is 01:22:01 most before we tell you like workout wise, like that would be my focus right now is getting to the bottom of some of this stuff. Okay. I have one quick question about symmetry. You guys seen it when you're doing new lateral movements, have you seen it change on any structural things for clients? Like when I look in the mirror and I see my left anterior delts significantly larger than my right and I can tell that this side is dropped. Will symmetry help me? Like yeah, yeah, it'll address that. Yep.

Starting point is 01:22:35 We've had people do dexa scans and see pretty significant change. We had, yeah, we had a couple dexa scans come in where the person will gain, you know, three pounds of muscle, but it's to the side that was atrophied. So it's just balanced out the body So yes, the answer is yes That was always my question of can this Yeah, absolutely. No, we can get to that I think the Sal's point right though right now we're playing whack-a-mole and let's get to the bottom of what's going on out the Pain and get you stable around there And I definitely don't think map 15 advance is helping us where we're currently at

Starting point is 01:23:10 I think that's actually working against us right now Because you probably do some of these priming movements and mobility stuff But you feel a little bit better than you go back to this like barbell Deadlift or squat or press this is a louder signal and then it just, and then it fliers back up again, right? Cause we're still not, we're not moving correctly yet. So I think focusing on prime pro and getting in the forum, talking to Brink and the, and seeing some movements and then like trying to address maybe the Aldella stuff and see if that gives you some relief.

Starting point is 01:23:39 Then from there, we can go on to like, okay, let's do symmetry. And this is what we want you to focus on when you do that. Let's get to the bottom of this first. Now the root cause of this 20 year thing needs to be fixed. Yeah, hopefully we can help you, Lauren. Yes. Guys, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. You got it.

Starting point is 01:23:55 All right, we'll see you in the forum. Enjoy your day. Bye. Bye. Yeah, I think the thing that people need to understand is that you're hate CrossFit. Yeah, I know. That's a by the way, I didn't know that was a verb. Crossfitting. You didn't know that?

Starting point is 01:24:08 No, I don't know you said you cross, I crossfit, I crossfitted. I don't know that. Anyway, yeah, when you're, when you're trying to teach your body a new movement pattern, it's literally think of the way you walk right now. Now imagine trying to change the way you walk and then do it to the point where now that's the new way you walk without thinking about it. That's what you're trying to change the way you walk and then do it to the point where now that's the new way you walk without thinking about it. That's what you're trying to do by, by, by changing movement patterns. It's not just why you're conscious. You have to get to the point where it becomes unconscious.

Starting point is 01:24:33 That's why it can take a little while. And that's why it can't be heavy and hard. Like imagine trying to walk, you know, as fast as you can with the weird pattern that you're not used to, like it's not going to work. You want to go faster. You got to use your old pattern that you used to. So you put the harder you push yourself into workouts, the more weight you use, the less likely you are to move in any with a new pattern.

Starting point is 01:24:54 It's just not going to have your body will revert to its old one because it's the one that it's learned. I mean, literally CrossFit's like the absolutely worst thing that this, a person like this could be doing. And it's been going on for how many years? 14 years or something like that. Yeah. Our next color is Josiah. Hey, what's up Josiah? What's up Josiah? Hey, how much are you guys? Good. Good. What's happening? Good doing well. I'm, uh, I didn't think I'd be nervous, but now I am. Now seeing you guys.

Starting point is 01:25:21 How can we help you, man? Um, yeah. So first of first of all, I just want to say I'm really thankful for you guys and for everything that you put out I thought I knew a lot about fitness. I've been working out since I was 18 and a friend of mine turned me on to you guys's podcasts about four years ago and I Feel like my mind was blown by the stuff you guys were teaching like pretty much every day or every week. So just want to say thank you for everything that you guys do and just for how you change or changing the fitness industry and the world. Appreciate that, man.

Starting point is 01:25:55 Thank you. Yeah, sweet, man. Yeah, definitely. But yeah, my question I'll get right to it is I think pretty simple for you guys probably to answer. But anyway, like I said, I've been working out since I was about 18. I just turned 32 in September. So obviously, I heard and I know that part of part of growing and progressing is in increasing volume volume. And in a past episode, I heard Sal say something, he mentioned something along the

Starting point is 01:26:26 lines of phasing in and out of increased volume. And I never heard anybody talk about that. I've never seen any articles about that or anything. So my question was kind of around that, like, what exactly does that look like? And is that how you increase volume as you, I guess, progress, or, you know, as you've been lifting for years and years. Obviously, we know that you can't just increase volume, volume, volume. Otherwise, we'd all be lifting thousands of pounds doing thousands of sets per workout session. Right now, I'm working on more of a MAPS 15 style.

Starting point is 01:27:03 My question was, how would you increase volume in regards to what Sal had said about, um, phasing it in and out of it. And also how would you increase volume in a maps 15 style program? All right. That's a good question. So you're, you're right. Your observation seems obvious, right? But some people don't realize this when they first start working out because

Starting point is 01:27:23 for the first, definitely for the first year, sometimes for the first few years, the way you progress is you slowly increase the volume of your training and you continue to progressively get stronger. But after a certain point, you can't move in that direction. You can't keep increasing volume. You're just not going to keep getting indefinitely stronger. It doesn't work that way. So the question is, how do I continue to progress? Am I done progressing?

Starting point is 01:27:46 After two or three years, does that mean I'm just maintaining after three years? Well, of course not, right? Of course not. I'm sure you continue to progress afterwards. So it becomes a bit more mysterious in terms of how to get the body to continue to progress after, you know, you've been working out now for 12 years. Like how, how do I do that? Well, now it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's much trickier. Okay. So what is phasing in and out of increased volume look like? Well, very plainly, and it make it very simple. If you were to follow maps programs, it would naturally happen through following each

Starting point is 01:28:16 of the programs. Now the, all the programs have different varying levels of volume and frequency. And if you were to follow one maps program, then follow another, the mass program for another one, you're going to naturally do that. But for someone like yourself as experienced as you are, you want to match the volume and training intensity to your life really. And you probably have a pretty good idea of what historically has been your upper limit of tall, tolerable volume. Like if I were to ask you when you're really getting after it,

Starting point is 01:28:44 what does it work out look like? And then I'm going to ask you, well, what does it look like when you're really backing off? So now you have kind of your range and you want to manipulate it based off of your life and how you feel and really, really do an honest assessment of how you feel. Not, you don't want to make it like, I can handle this. You want to make it more like a, do I have good energy when I'm done with my workout? So I have good energy all day long. Am I crashing at the end of the day?

Starting point is 01:29:12 Do I feel excessively sore? Is my sleep being affected? And so this will help gauge the volume and intensity of your workout so that what it'll end up probably looking at looking like is a 10 to 15% of the year will be a sprint and 85 to 90% of the year will be kind of coasting. That's typically what it looks like when you average it out, uh, after you've been working out like yourself for over a decade.

Starting point is 01:29:38 I think the biggest key to this is, is learning how to do the, the point you made about assessing the rest of your life and stress. Because you could, we could sit here and say, oh, that here's this methodical approach. Right. This would be a very methodical approach to this. Okay. Run maps, anabolic run performance, run aesthetic, which would be like peak volume, uh, for like one of the programs, one of the peak volume programs. And then after that scale back to like a maps 15 and then start the cycle kind of

Starting point is 01:30:04 over, like that would be like this natural progression. But the reality of that is the likelihood that that perfect order of programming by the weeks matches your level of stress, sleep, work stuff, you know, eat nutrition is very unlikely. And so the better approach to that is, you know, at, you know, slowly scale volume so long as all the other things in your life are doing well. And then be aware of those moments in your life when work gets really rough or relationship stuff gets really rough, or you're just not hitting your macros consistently. And it's like, okay, that's my sign to pull back on the volume, because

Starting point is 01:30:43 I'm, I'm not feeding myself appropriately. I'm not sleeping appropriately. I'm not checking all those other boxes to put me in like the optimal place to really push and stretch my body. And so unfortunately, it probably is not going to look like that perfect linear, you know, anabolic performance aesthetic and then scale back to 15 unless you just get lucky it lays out that way. So more looks like that's the plan is I'm going to do that, but I'm probably going to have to call an audible somewhere in there because I realized that I'm not, I'm not in optimal position to be stretching my body. And so I'm going to scale back a tiny bit and it can look, it doesn't,

Starting point is 01:31:20 I'm giving you the example of programs, it could look simply as like, you're going through, let's say you did it great through anabolic, you progress't, I'm giving you the example of programs. It could look simply as like you're going through, let's say you did it great through anabolic, you progress great, then you get into performance, you're doing good. And then all of a sudden, like in phase three of performance, you know, just sleep is off, nutrition's off or something. And you look at the program and you go, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to pull a set of every exercise off here. Or instead of going at, you know, full intensity on, on my exercises, I'm going to, I'm going to scale back and do, you

Starting point is 01:31:49 know, 20 to 30 pounds less on every exercise. I know I could do more. Like that's an example of a way to modify that with your life and do this kind of undulating volume throughout the year. Yeah. I totally agree with that protocol. I do think it's helpful to have that in mind in terms of like That step ladder approach, but there's gonna be interruptions to that

Starting point is 01:32:10 And that's why we do also have these programs like math is math 15 if that's the case like you know We're gonna we're gonna interrupt it with a program like that. We're gonna interrupt it with Like maps prime or even like if you're on the road or traveling, whatever, we got something like anywhere, we got something like a map suspension or, you know, and the thing is it's like life comes in through that and like how do we navigate through that based off of the stress levels and based off of your environment that it's presenting to you.

Starting point is 01:32:41 So I think that's good as like a baseline, but then having, you know, a way to navigate and be flexible with that through other programs that are less volume or convenient in terms of like having the right kind of equipment for you for that moment. Just say I noticed too, in your question, you had a more specific question regarding like you're going, you're doing six days a week, maps 15,

Starting point is 01:33:01 and you want to reduce back to like three days a week how they look. One of the cool things about maps 15 is like you can literally, uh, the days that run consecutively, you can pair them together. So you can literally go from a six day a week program, go to a three day a week program and just put, you know, workout one, workout two together, workout three,

Starting point is 01:33:18 workout four together, workout five, workout six together and you can run it like that. And it's actually one of the lower volume programs. And so that's not going to run you like an hour and a half workout. You'll be able to still get it done within probably 50 minutes or so to get those done. And so that's, that's an easy way to scale back the days that you're in the gym to three days by. So, and I sometimes will do this, like, uh, where I put two together, but then I do the other ones half.

Starting point is 01:33:45 Like, so just, and I do that based off of how I'm feeling and how I slept, how I ate and it's like, Oh, you know what? I got extra time today. I've slept well. I've ate well. I'm going to do the, I'm going to do workout one and workout two together today. And then maybe the next day, if I don't have that next day off, I might go, okay, I'm just going to do the 15 minute workout.

Starting point is 01:34:04 So you can play with it like that. Josiah, when's the last time you stopped working out for more than a week? For more than a week, maybe. It was like 1984. Yeah. Maybe like four or five months ago or something. Yeah. So for someone like you, you're a fitness fanatic.

Starting point is 01:34:25 You love it. You're consistent. If, if the question is, should I do more or less? You're probably going to be better off always going towards less. Now the average person, I'm going to push them to do more because they miss a week or two every, every month, but someone like yourself, you're so consistent. If the question, if you're asking yourself like, okay, should I do 15 sets or should I do 12 sets or 10 sets?

Starting point is 01:34:48 You're probably going to be more right more often or you're going to be right more often, I should say, doing less than doing more. That'll, that'll get you better results, uh, than the, than the more option. And that seems to be true with, with just fitness fanatics in general. You've already built the foundation. So yeah, that would make a lot more sense. Yeah, yeah, I definitely noticed that with myself. I feel like similar to like Sal and Adams, you guys' story, like I grew up like skinny kid. I was always like

Starting point is 01:35:16 trying to bulk, like put on muscle and stuff. And I definitely was in that trap of just always trying to do more more more more and Yeah, it's crazy. Like when I switch when I when I started listening to you guys and I switched like a three-day a week full body like I'm up. I'm I feel like I'm a pretty I'm pretty good at you know when I believe something and like when I listened to you guys like I knew that there was something different about what you guys are Saying that other people so like it wasn't hard to convince me to do three days Although I did you know just the feel of it was weird But I immediately noticed that like I was making progress and not losing anything by not going to gym more and even scaling Down to last doing like something around like 15 to 20 minutes a day

Starting point is 01:36:02 Like I still feel great and you know, even yeah, not me not losing any progress, which is just like it's crazy. It is crazy. It's definitely mind blowing when you you're you know, you believe that you have to keep doing more. But to be continued, and I get proven, I get proven, you know, with that that that lesson keeps getting taught to me even now. So, you know, that's why when I ask myself, you know, with that, that, that lesson keeps getting taught to me even now. So, um, you know, that's why when I ask myself, I'll try and go towards less versus more, but it's taking me, it's taking me almost 30 years to figure that out, but it's true for fitness and addicts. It's, it's definitely true.

Starting point is 01:36:38 Yeah, for sure. So just, I guess the kind of payback on on that question going in the opposite direction if I if I'm going to continue in because right now I'm doing I'm in performance but I'm doing it in a math 15 style um because it's kind of really all the time I have in the morning before I go to work but how would you how would you increase volume in that case uh it was or is that in that case, or is that, I guess, is that necessary? Or a good idea? As you say, I would ask myself, is it necessary, right? Cause you don't forget, it sets times weights times reps.

Starting point is 01:37:16 So if you're already stronger or doing a couple more reps, you've increased the volume. Right. So if you're, yeah. So like it doesn't always have, I think most people think volume and they think sets that you're gonna do in the workout. If you're adding weight to the bar, there's more volume. Yeah, that's more volume. You know, so, yeah, that's true. Yeah. So if you're, if you're seeing that, you don't necessarily always got to be at, you know, when I was always tracking volume, like this was during my competing days,

Starting point is 01:37:41 I was always looking more for not going backwards, right? A lot of times I'd keep my volume about the same, right? I would keep it relatively the same. And as long as I didn't see myself going the other direction, because what I found was when you pulled back at a month, people tend to kind of do that naturally ebb and flow anyways. And so if I was trying to make progress and see my body, my physique progress, it was always just don't go back slide, and then slowly just increase. And as long as I was like heading in that direction, I saw this, this progress. And if you're getting stronger in math performance, and you see yourself adding a little bit of, even it's a little bit of weight to the bar, you're adding volume. So you're progressing in the right direction.

Starting point is 01:38:20 You add five pounds, you do one more rep, that's more volume. It's already there. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Yeah, I guess in my head I'm thinking of when I ask you guys and I'm thinking of volume I'm thinking of just sets like how do I increase sets? Yeah, you guys are right. Sometimes sometimes people add sets and Because they've jumped too much volume the weight goes down. They end up with the same volume. They did before Yeah, mm-hmm. Mm. Hmm. Yeah. Good point. Yep.

Starting point is 01:38:45 And just keep in mind what, what Sal said, I mean, he asked you the right question by like you, how often you take it in recognizing quickly that you're kind of a fitness fanatic, you're, you're always going to probably do better by doing a little less. And I, and I love to, to repeat that study that we shared, I don't know, a year or two ago where the two groups that went for like 18 weeks in one group took a week off every three weeks. And they saw the same progress as the group that didn't take any days off all the way or any weeks off during that entire 18 weeks.

Starting point is 01:39:14 So imagine that every month you could literally afford a week off of training and still progress as much as the guy who in other words, you're more likely to get away with doing less than you are to do it with doing more. Doing more is more dangerous in terms of progress, in terms of hurting your progress when it comes to strength training than doing less is. That's a fact across the board. Then it's, it's a hard one for people to understand, but it's true. And that, that, that it rains even more true for someone like you. Totally.

Starting point is 01:39:41 You know, that's why that asking that question was so important first was like, okay, which, who is he? Is he the type of guy who can, can't stay consistent for longer than a week or two? Well, we're not going to give him that advice. But if he's the type of guy who's like, has to think when was the last time I took even a week off. Okay.

Starting point is 01:39:56 You're the type of guy that probably needs to go that direction. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Totally makes sense. All right, brother. Thank you guys. All right. You. Got it man. Thank you so much for the kind words Yeah, no problem. I um Yeah, between you guys's podcast and another one I listened to you guys might know Ken Coleman from like the Dave Ramsey

Starting point is 01:40:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah kind of team. I you guys are between you and his I Made the decision to finally pursue being a trainer and you know I yeah I've loved this for so long but there are a lot of I think kind of insecurity reasons that I didn't pursue it when I was younger but I'm finally going for a nap now and this is just my day job right here but I'm working on growing a coaching business so I'm gonna be getting you guys's course oh yeah soon here and so awesome. Yeah, I love that.

Starting point is 01:40:47 Love to hear it, man. Cool. What when you do, I can't wait to see you in that forum with the coaches. Yeah, definitely. For sure. I know I was talking with you, Adam, a little bit through DMs and you told me that the price was going to go up and stuff. And I was like, you know, I was a little bit bummed about that. But honestly, I love you guys's content so much. And you guys have done so much for just to finish space. I feel like I don't pay like whatever price it is, honestly. I don't even care.

Starting point is 01:41:12 I appreciate that. But yeah, I appreciate that you're sorry. Thank you, man. Yeah, no problem. Can I just tell you guys one last poem I have about your show? Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I, I, I,

Starting point is 01:41:20 Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I, I, I, every time you guys tease Doug about his age, I just, I just want to cry so you Adam, like Doug, I'm so sorry. I feel for you, man. We only make the cringy and sorry. We only do that because he looks so damn good. That's right. Yeah. That's the reason it's a's it's because he's at a

Starting point is 01:41:47 All of us you just meet the four of us and you've never met us before everybody thinks dugs the youngest which is that That hurts my soul. Yeah. Yeah, so we gotta get him back. Yeah. That's our yeah. Yeah insecure. All right I guess it's founded All right, just thank you. Yeah, brother. Yeah, thank you guys so that. All right, you're sorry. Thank you. You have a good day today, brother. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. All right. Bye. Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 01:42:08 That's an important point to make with, uh, with strength training. You have more room for less in terms of, you know, whether or not it's going to affect your progress negatively than you do with more. Oftentimes, if you're consistent with your workouts, you know, missing some or going less is probably better for you than constantly trying to push more. We really, you really tend to fall in, uh, one end of the spectrum of the other. There's very few people that have this, this, I mean, this beautiful balance.

Starting point is 01:42:33 Yeah. The beautiful, the beautiful balance. And to your point, like, I mean, 30 years and you're still learning that lesson, you're still teetering on one side more than the other. Right. So most people are like that. They either are the, the people, the clients, or you can't get them to fucking put 30 days together

Starting point is 01:42:48 straight, you know, and so that- You have to learn that. So we're not gonna give them that advice. Cause I know there's also fitness professionals that hear like, oh my God, Kibb, we've always telling people to do less. So it's like, no, we're not. It's pay attention to who we're telling that to.

Starting point is 01:42:59 Yeah, exactly. We assess what type of person they are. And if they are like one of us fitness fanatics, where they have to think like, when was the last time I actually took a week off? Those are the two biggest hurdles. The first one is overcoming the fact that you can't be consistent

Starting point is 01:43:13 and you can't like push yourself to that degree. And once you establish that, you build this base and this foundation that you can work off of. Now that mindset, you're carrying that mindset to a degree where it Becomes detrimental. So then you have to learn the other lesson Which is to reduce and do the right amount for for you to progress 100%

Starting point is 01:43:36 Our next caller is Gabe from New York. Hey Gabe. How can we help you? Hey guys pretty surreal to be on here. I had a little hard time with the zoom but Let me just get right to my question here so Like I put my question on the email I've noticed that being at such a weight of a 205 at my height being 5 foot 9 Sometimes my mid-back will get tight and then lower starts to hurt doing certain movements.

Starting point is 01:44:05 My occasional runs are a problem now too as my shin splints seem to take the brunt of it and occasional knee pain. I also have a major problem squatting anything above 135 and in the past I have done 405. And then after that squat I'm very tight and in pain for the next couple of days. Doing any sort of unilateral movements though, like lunges and or Bulgarians, have no effect on my problem here. And in fact, I can actually load a lot of weight on those movements, surprisingly. So basically, my question is, do I try to adapt to this this weight or do I need to drop down and figure something else out? Yeah, you added something else though. I think it's good for the context of what you're asking is like, I'm five nine, two hundred and five.

Starting point is 01:44:54 I grew up a skinny kid and started lifting at 120. So you've went from 120 pounds to 205 pounds on a five nine frame and asking is that just a lot of weight for your frame and does it can you get to a point where it's just too much weight for a frame? I want to address that. Yes. I mean, and I battle with this like an exact same story was a skinny kid trying to put weight on. And then I finally broke the 200 pounds which was such a big deal took me to almost 30 years. Now I can go all the way up from 230 right now. And when I get to that point, I can tell that my body is way more consalant. I had talked about this all the time, like we I have a weight I know, where I'm the most comfortable. Now I've been more jacked looking at 230 for sure. But my weight, like where I feel healthy fit joints feel good is like 205. So there's

Starting point is 01:45:47 definitely a weight for your frame that you're you that your, you know, skeletal system was designed to be able to carry in a healthy way. And there's then there's an upper limit to that when you could push those boundaries. Now, typically, typically, when someone asks that question, though, it's not because they have too much muscle, but rather they're too, too much body fat. So whenever someone says, I think I'm too heavy for my height, I, you know, I would say, okay, well, I'd like to see what about 10, 11% body fat and then see if you still feel that way. And if you still feel that way, okay.

Starting point is 01:46:18 But in those cases, you're talking about extreme pursuits of muscle growth. People who've been training for years and years and years who really, you know, continue to push that pursuit and kind of push those extremes. But for the most part, that's not the case. Usually it's just they're too heavy and it's body fat. Now the other part that you said that I think is important to note is that your back hurts when you squat 135. I don't think it's a body weight issue.

Starting point is 01:46:41 I think there's an imbalance. There's a, there's a weakness issue. There's something happening in your body that's causing you to hurt. And it probably has to do with some kind of lateral stability or rotational stability. Okay. Do you do any movements to strengthen lateral stability? Have you tried doing a windmill? Do you know if you, how you feel when you do a windmill, for example? Have you tried that?

Starting point is 01:47:03 when you do windmill, for example, have you tried that? Yes, I have actually. I had gone through the program of a map symmetry in full. And after that, I started getting into more movements like the windmill and, you know, just more Justin type movements, I guess you could say., windmill I did okay at. I think I held maybe 15, 20 over my head. Didn't have too much of a problem doing that. Um, I actually purchased, uh, maps, uh, what was it? Maps, old time, old time strength.

Starting point is 01:47:38 Um, and I started it and I was feeling really good fresh out of a symmetry. I felt amazing, strongest I've ever been. And I think it was the second day I had to put it down. I, I couldn't do it. So, but I am familiar with the windmill movement. Um, my unilateral strength is great from the symmetry. It's just some things just tweak it. Like I said, with the squat.

Starting point is 01:48:01 So what, what, what part of old time strength? What exercise was it that bothered you? I'm curious to. Uh, I think it real, I think I really started feeling it when I did, I think I was holding the weight over my head. Okay, and it was your low back? It's been a, yeah, lower back, mid back area. Okay. I would start, I would start every workout with windmills,

Starting point is 01:48:32 moving forward two or three sets of windmills. Start with your no weight too. No way. Move the weight up slowly, moderate intensity. I think we're, we're dealing with, with some lateral stability issues. And that's why you feel so strong with unilateral exercises, but not so strong when you're doing bilateral barbell squat. And I would get really good at that. It sounds like, to me, from the outside, like that's what's going on.

Starting point is 01:48:56 I also think that you would only benefit too from doing that also leaning out. So doing those movements and doing it in a cut, I think. Do you know what your body fat percentage is sitting at Gabe? I was tested long ago. If when I first started lifting at that weight that I put on my email, I was tested and I was like, I think I was at a 10 and a half or 11 in wrestling. Oh, and you're at 120. Yeah, correct. So I was pretty, I was very, I was very lean.

Starting point is 01:49:28 I don't even know where those veins went, honestly, since then. Um, but I, uh, I, I have no idea what I would be at. And have you been pretty, I mean, coming in, I, this is how I was too. Like, I don't think I went on a cut for 20 years. Were you like, are you the skinny kid who's always been trying to bulk and put size on it so you've never actually run like a true cut? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:53 I did a unhealthy cut years ago before I found you guys, before you guys flooded me with all this knowledge. I didn't unhealthy cut and I dropped down. I was at 190 and I dropped down. I was at 190 and I dropped down to 175 and It just all it all came back because you know, I didn't do it the correct way. Yeah, um as of right now

Starting point is 01:50:17 I am I'm really pushing it all again I'm like my proteins really high My calories, my calories are out of maintenance, maybe the slightest deficit. I'm at around 2,300 to 2,500 a day right now at about 190 to 200 grams of protein. I would like to see you get a body fat test and if you're above 13%, bring it down to like 12, 13% while, while, you know, pursuing some of that lateral stability and see if that makes a difference. Yeah. And on top of that too, like any of the carries

Starting point is 01:50:53 are going to be great for reinforcing more strength there and for that lateral stability. Suitcase carries amazing. And then you said you had a little bit of difficulty with any overhead, lighter weight overhead initially, but you know, really just take your time, slow it down, brace and make sure you don't lose that connectivity there when you're bracing. So as you're walking and adding movement and that locomotion to it adds a bit of the challenge

Starting point is 01:51:17 for you, but it's great when you go back to bilateral like straightforward type lifts that lateral stability will really strengthen. Gabe, do you have a maps prime? No, I do not. Yeah, I'm gonna have Doug send maps prime to you because I'd like for you to do the zone one test I mean, I could do all the tests but zone one test and And actually look and see like what movements it guides you to do. And then start before you do the overhead carries and movements like Justin's talking about is to prime the body and get yourself in a better position. I think that's gonna help to protect that low back

Starting point is 01:51:54 while you're doing some of the overhead carry stuff. So you get yourself in a better position. So we're gonna send over prime, go through the test, see and I'm specifically looking at zone one for your, before you do overhead carries and stuff and, and set yourself up prime, prime a little bit before you do that. Okay. Cool. Is that something I do on workout days? Yeah. Every day. You can do it all the time. So like when it comes to priming movements, you know, we write them in there that you should do them before your workout, but like you can, you can't do too much of

Starting point is 01:52:27 that stuff. That's like, you can, so when it, whatever it guides you to do, then then do it as much as you possibly, but absolutely before you lift, because you, if you do it and you do it correctly, you should see the first time you do it, feel a difference. That's right. Like you should be able to do a couple of these prime movements for zone one and then go do like an overhead carry, maybe bothered you in the past and then all sudden it doesn't and it's because you did a good job of priming beforehand, you should feel that

Starting point is 01:52:53 instantly and so then just practice that all the time. Okay and one more thing to add to that, how do I base my training as of right now? If I'm do, if I want to do three, three full body days a week or kind of a upper lower type thing. Like how, what's the best way to go about this whilst trying to fix that? I think unilateral training, I think that worked well for you. I would go back to that symmetry. Yeah. I liked the idea of priming and doing some of the movements, like the overhead

Starting point is 01:53:21 carries and stuff, Justin's suitcase carries, that Justin's talking about, and then working through symmetry. talking about and then working through symmetry and then also doing this while trying to do a cut. I think the combination of all three of those and you should feel a lot better from where you're at right now. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:35 So I'm, I think today's, I think today's day two of being back in the, uh, symmetry. So we're, we're fresh, right? We're fresh right into it. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. And then prime prime is going to compliment that. So doesn't send that over to you.

Starting point is 01:53:48 Keep it going. Okay, cool. Well, thank you very much guys. And it's correct. It is jelly before peanut butter, by the way. I had to say that. No, that's it. No, no, no, hold on. Hold on. See you later. Do you stand when you pee or do you sit on the toilet? Like Adam does? You paint your toenails? Right now I stand stand I'm not at the sitting part. Yeah, that's all right. That's all right. You're good The whole weight thing you know like we talked about it took me years to get to the point where I could get too heavy at a lean body weight. That was, and that was just a

Starting point is 01:54:28 relentless pursuit of continuing to add, try to add lean body mass, try to get lean body mass where most people won't get too heavy lean. They'll get too heavy because they're too heavy, right? Like it took me a long, and even now I have to like, really push it for that to happen, otherwise my body kind of settles back, or you know, you're pharmaceutical enhanced, right really push it for that to happen. Otherwise my body kind of settles back or, you know, you're pharmaceutical enhanced, right? That'll, that'll make that happen. But typically when someone's like, I feel too heavy for my bodyway,

Starting point is 01:54:50 it's because they're, they're body fat. It's too high. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like he hasn't really, other than the one, uh, bad cut he did. Hasn't really, he's been in a permable for a long time and sounds like neglecting something. I think I literally think prime symmetry work and then reducing body fat, dropping down some weight is going to make a huge difference.

Starting point is 01:55:12 Our next caller is Rusty from Ohio. What's up Rusty? What up Rusty? How can we help you? Hey guys, glad to be here. I just wanted to tell you it's a real privilege to get to talk to you. The idea of a guy like me getting access to World-class trainers like you guys is just very rare and I appreciate this means a lot to me. Nice. Thanks, man

Starting point is 01:55:33 I like the world-class compliment Thank you, rusty You're welcome So I did also want to thank you that that because a couple years ago I started training again after a hiatus and I was over 50 and started getting some aches and pains that hit differently than it did when I was younger. And I had contemplated quitting and thinking, maybe I was just too old to start listening again.

Starting point is 01:56:02 And I did whatever guy my age does. I got on YouTube and looked up You know training after 50 and that's kind of how I found you guys was one of your clips and somebody had asked that question like how would you train someone over 50 and One of you said same way. I would train anybody else that have them lift heavy stuff and It was like I needed that permission have them lift heavy stuff. And it was like, I needed that permission to do that. And I kept going and here we are two years later and I don't hurt anymore.

Starting point is 01:56:29 As a matter of fact, I feel better than I have ever felt. Oh, I love that. So thank you. That's awesome. That's awesome, bro. What can we do for you? So, um, with that in mind, my deadlift is, has gotten to, amount to like 415. That was with a trap bar max squat 365 375 max

Starting point is 01:56:50 but One of my goals was to be able to bench hundred pound dumbbells by the time I turned 50 which I did accomplish now in 51 I Thought that would translate into a bigger barbell bench. I thought I should be able to do like 250, 300. That is not the case for me. Um, I have barely been able to get two 225, like one rep max. And I think I only did that like once and I'm just not quite sure. Like everything else seems so strong, but, but I've just struggled to get north of you know, two fifteen to twenty on the bench That's interesting. So you got you you were able to press one hundred pound dumbbells

Starting point is 01:57:35 But two hundred pound bench press or two fifteen pound bench press feels heavy. That's usually not the case I was I was there at one point you did this. I had this so I was I was bigger on the dumbbell press I was never a good barbell bench presser. And I really liked the way I felt from dumbbell pressing. I saw great gains in my chest. I saw that strength in up. And then I remember going back to barbell press and it was really discouraging that I couldn't even do 225, but yet I could do 100 pound dumbbells. And what I have learned since then, right,

Starting point is 01:58:02 and realized is that there's such a skill to barbell bench pressing. Yeah. Like if you get really strong doing dumbbell pressing, not that there's not a skill at all in dumbbell pressing, but you've become a different skill. It is. And you're strong. Like you've definitely, if you can do a hundred pound dumbbells, you are strong.

Starting point is 01:58:18 Your chest is strong. Then taking that over to a barbell bench press and wanting to see 250, 300 pounds, like there's, there's so much more of a skill into how you set up for the bench press, how you lower the bar, how you get yourself in the right position, how you drive through your legs, like, and, and it took a while of consistently lifting barbell bench press for me to start to see those numbers increase the same way my dumbbells did. So it's actually not as uncommon as you would think. Well, I mean, so oftentimes somebody will get stuck with the bench press, then they'll use dumbbells and it'll get them past the sticking point. And that's because the dumbbells was

Starting point is 01:58:56 addressing a weakness that they had that they couldn't It's stability issues. Some of the shoulder joint. Right. So now, now that typically that's, that's right. Quite common. What you're doing is not as common. However, all exercises are skills. Okay. So you change the exercise a little bit. It's a, it's a different skill. You have to practice it and change your technique with the barbell. You really activate the laughs a lot. You stick the chest out real tight. You get a lot of leg drive. You squeeze the bar, you break the bar with your hands. You try to break the bar with your hands. You tuck the elbows a little bit more with the barbell than you would with the dumbbell.

Starting point is 01:59:29 Dumbbells tend to flare out a little bit more. And then you press up with a more probably tricep involvement with the barbell than you would with the dumbbells. In other words, I would really look to power lifters for technique on the bench press because they've mastered the skill of the bench press with the barbell. Yeah. Getting your upper back more rigid, like being able to maintain just that nice natural curve in your back, uh, while also being able to, uh, drive through the ground with your feet and creating more leg drive to create more stability there, uh, on the bench. It increases the amount of force output and And two, to Sal's point of gripping the bar even matters

Starting point is 02:00:07 and to be able to engage and activate those lats to get involved as well. It's really, it's about like creating a more stabilized gripping position on the bench. So that way, you know, you're not losing any opportunity there for force output going straight up vertically. I think you would absolutely love Maths Powerlift. Yeah. Uh, we have, I mean, we've got Ben Pollack in there with coaching cues and tips on how to increase that.

Starting point is 02:00:33 So I think that program would be. And that's, that's a powerlifting program. Yeah. You're going to get it. You, you'll nail it with that. It's very hyper focused on the, the technique. That's right. focused on the technique. That's right.

Starting point is 02:00:45 Would it help to maybe isolate some of those exercises that would increase strength in my lats and chrysops, even though I'm not doing any isolation exercises really? No, not necessarily. Would that be an official? Not necessarily. It doesn't necessarily mean you have weak lats or a week back. It typically means is you're not stabilizing and

Starting point is 02:01:06 activating them in a way that maximizes the technique of the bench press. So it's typically not, somebody like yourself has been working out, right? You've been working out now pretty consistently for a couple of years. You're probably, you know, you're doing your back workouts, right? So you're probably okay with that. It's really about activation through this movement. Like how do I activate my lats to stabilize while I press?

Starting point is 02:01:29 Because don't the lats pull? Like this is what happens in your mind or with your body while you're trying to do both. There is a skill and a technique to it. And once you practice it right and learn it, then you see your weight go up. In fact, a really good powerlifting coach can oftentimes take a lifter and get them to bench press five more pounds right there, right? Yeah, that's the first set. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:49 I, Rusty, we're going to send MAPS power lift to you. I want you to run that. I guarantee you're going to run that and you're going to come back to us and tell us your, your barbell bench press has increased guaranteed. Five percent. Yeah. There's no doubt in my mind. I definitely want you to report back.

Starting point is 02:02:03 Yes. The way that's programmed, a guy that's strong like you already like you just watch go through that program follow it to a T Don't go do other shit. Watch the master classes. Yeah, especially the bench obviously Yeah, watch all the master classes with Ben Pollock in there. You're gonna you're gonna see an increase in in your barbell bench Fritz. I guarantee that That's awesome. Thank you so much. Yes. You got it, man. So Doug's gonna send that over to you and please follow up with us. I'd love to hear how you're doing afterwards. Yeah, I definitely will do that. I'm really excited because I've never done any of your

Starting point is 02:02:35 programs and I'm ready. I'm due for a change up. All right, bro. All right. See you later. Thank you guys. Have a good day. Have you guys ever seen that happen where a strength coach, like a power lift thing, coach will literally fix someone's technique. That's why it's a skill thing. It's a total, I mean, I was this. So I, and I know I'm not normal. Like most people prefer the barbell bench press, but I just found dumbbell pressing was easier, more comfortable.

Starting point is 02:03:03 I could get in the groove. And so I did more of it. And so I got really good at it. Got to a place where I was doing a hundred pound easier, more comfortable. I could get in the groove and so I did more of it. And so I got really good at it. I got to a place where I was doing 100 pound dumbbells, but then I couldn't even do a 225 bench. Struggled with that. And it was just the skill of it. I just didn't-

Starting point is 02:03:14 It's the familiarity, it's the skill. Yeah, you just got to get comfortable like knowing that this is like the best position to put myself in. I mean, so much technique and skill involved. And I think you think we underestimate how much, like to your point that a coach could come in and like change your bar grip, change your leg drop. Everybody thinks that, you know, everybody knows deadlifting, squatting requires a lot of skill and technique.

Starting point is 02:03:36 Everybody, but nobody realized the bench presses up there. Huge. It's a very technical exercise. I still, I had to be completely honest with like all my lifts and I think that's an area that I still am just not that proficient. I think that there's, there's lots of room for me to be a lot better at that. And I've, and over years I've tried to get better at it, but this was definitely me and the technique of it.

Starting point is 02:03:58 I mean, it reminds me too of like our buddy Paul Fabretts who teaches vertical code, right? So he's into teaching and he'll take somebody without doing any exercises and get them to increase by four to five inches. It's crazy. Just technique. Yeah, just technique. And so, you know, this is something that's like that,

Starting point is 02:04:17 like teaching somebody the technique of a barbell bench press can make a huge difference. Totally. Look, if you like the show, head over to mindpartonfree.com and check out some of our free fitness guides. They can help you with your health and fitness goals. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.

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