Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2301: How to Train as a Firefighter, the Best Way to Train to be Good at Arm Wrestling & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

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Alright so health is important to you. Well check this out. This is one of the most impactful things you can do for your health in a positive way. Be with people. Have good connections. Build good relationships. The data on this is incredible. It's actually alarming. There's a loneliness epidemic that's exploding across Western societies and it increases risk of everything that's chronic from heart disease to diabetes to even dementia. The world is making it easier to be isolated.

Don't buy into it, be with people. We talked about hang out, Bruce. The study that compared that to smoking cigarettes, right? I got some new data for you. Okay, let's hear it. Yeah, dude, this is wild. So first of all, we are in a loneliness epidemic. There is a 39%, by the way, this is only over the last, less than a decade, so not even 10

years, 39% increase, which was already, it was already growing at that point, but 39% increase in feelings of loneliness across the board. You ready for this? The age group of 15 to 24 has 70% less social interactions with their friends than the previous generation. Wow, 70%. 70%. Now check out what they've connected to loneliness. It's almost like I'm talking about like a bad drug or something.

29% increase of heart disease, 32% increased risk of stroke, and a 50% increased risk of developing dementia for older adults. All from loneliness. Wow. Isn't this wild? Yeah. Do you think it's a bit skewed just because of what we just came out of, you know, to almost three years of COVID stuff where people started to... I'm glad you asked that because I looked that up and there was a spike during the pandemic. It did not go back down. So... At all? Like we haven't returned. Interesting. So people change their behaviors around that time.

And yet, even though it's now being reported by CDC, like the flu, we're not returning back to kind of our old behaviors pre-COVID? No, what's happened is, you know, and I was talking to a friend of mine about this this weekend, and you know, he explained it quite well. He said, we've made being lonely or alone so alluring,

so convenient and so the way of the world that meeting with people now is no longer the default. It used to be the default. Like you had to meet with people just to do. Something. Everyday things. Yeah. Now what's happened is we've made everything so,

it's almost like meeting with people, all you're really thinking about is the anxiety, I got to dress a particular way, oh, we're going to have conversation. Like I'd rather not because I can get away with not really meeting with people. And then connecting with people online, a lot of, especially that age group I said 15 to 24,

they'll make the argument, well, I talk to my friends all the time, we connect online. It's not the same thing, not even close. Yeah, there's gotta be a multitude of factors too. I mean, some companies are just still getting people to come back from work from being remote and so it's like having those natural interactions where you cross paths

with people. It's so much easier to avoid all that now and just get like food delivered to you to, you know, just stay, just stay isolated. It's there's a lot more businesses out there that are catering to that. I think that's it's, you really have to go out of your way and be intentional to hang out with your friends and with other people. Yeah, I'm interested in your point about loneliness becoming more alluring than it was before because it makes me think of that,

what's that paradox called that Chris Williamson shared on his podcast? I shared it a long time ago after he did. I thought it was really interesting. And it's basically where if something is less than a mile, we'll walk it. If it's over two miles, we get in a car and we drive it. If it's somewhere in between, we choose the path

that's actually not the smarter path, because it's like in that sweet, I forget what that paradox is called. I remember that, I forgot the name, yeah. But it makes me think of that when you say that, like, loneliness has become actually so much better than what it was.

What's it called? Region Beta Paradox. The phenomena that people can sometimes recover more quickly from more distressing experiences than from less distressing one. The difficult events create better outcomes over time. So in other words, because loneliness has become so more alluring because of DoorDash, because of our cell phones, because of Netflix streaming. It's not that bad, it's not that bad.

And it's so, but it, so it like slowly rocks you to death because it's not that bad. And you assume that, oh, versus say 30 years ago, you'd be like, what the fuck am I gonna do? I got nothing to do this, I gotta get up and do so. I gotta go meet people, I gotta figure something out because this is so uncomfortable. The example that I was given was meeting with people digitally is like a good analogy would

be like comparing pornography to connecting with a human being and obviously having sex or intercourse. You get something, but you don't get the real value. Arthur Brooks says that FaceTime, for example, you FaceTime somebody, you get the dopamine, but you don't get the oxytocin. So we've identified this in terms of neurotransmitters. Like oxytocin is how we bond with people. But loneliness is exploding.

It's absolutely exploding. And part of the reason why it's, so think about fitness, for example, let's just go back for a second. In the past, you were active by default. You had to be active. It was like, you know, oh, you go to the gym? Well, you know, I have to go physical labor and do lift rocks and break things and whatever.

So we were active naturally, but then what happens, we made life so alluringly sedentary that you have to actually schedule activity. You actually act, you have to think about doing hard physical things to reap the benefits. This is now what's happening with human interaction to where it's very easy to not meet with anybody. So think of being a teenage boy, you're 17 years old. Um, and yeah, there's a lot of, it's scary to go talk to girls or go meet up with people. Cause you're going to go out, you got to, okay, I'm a little self-conscious and, you know, scary to go talk to girls or go meet up with people, because you're gonna go out,

you gotta, okay, I'm a little self-conscious and I gotta talk to someone that might reject me. And so, oh, but wait a minute, I could just talk with people online. I could play video games and put on my headset and it's not the same thing though. It's not even close to the same thing. And so it's exactly what you said, Adam.

It's like the frog that's in the water that's slowly boiling. It's very deceptive, in the water that's slowly boiling. It's very deceptive, because it does have, like you have those outlets where you can still talk to people, and if it's digital, it feels like you're still connected on some level, but it's not, you're not receiving any of the benefits

that you do in person. And you think what's happening is that these kids that are choosing this way of socializing via virtual reality type of stuff, or on the internet or whatever, it takes probably years for it to compound enough before something's wrong, right? Before they can recognize it

or somebody else can recognize it in themselves. Or even worse, they don't know the alternative. Right, they don't know. They've always been this way, you know? It's like getting fit for the first time and then how many times have you gotten a client sit for the first time and they look back and go, oh my God, I had time and then you know, how many times have you gotten a client? Yeah, yeah, it's it for the first time they look back and go. Oh my god I had no idea. Yeah, or how many times have you had people tell you like, oh my sleep is good or my energy is good I feel good and it's like and then they actually get good. Yeah, and then you're like, oh wow

I didn't realize that it could be this good. Yeah, that's interesting. It's crazy because the default in the past Like when we were we were when we kids, if you didn't go outside, I mean, you didn't talk to kids. So you had to go outside. And then when you went outside, everybody was outside. So you were meeting with people. It's got its own challenges, but at least you had some connection. Families don't get together like they used to. In the past, there were community ways of meeting with people on a regular basis, church being one of the main ones. And there's still some towns like this, right? Every Sunday people get together. That doesn't happen anymore. Block parties don't happen anymore. Neighbors

barbecuing together, meeting with each other, just drop them by. Let me ask you guys this question. When's the last time somebody just dropped by your house without calling? guys this question. When's the last time somebody just dropped by your house without calling? Well, I mean, I have a little bit, I have these kids that come by. That's great. But that's it. That's rare. Yeah, that just started again. And so I think too, we recognize how rare that is. And we're just like, yes, get out there. Like do all the things, go play hard, skin your elbows up,

just take risks, that's the whole thing. It's like kids, I feel like the risks, they're just not seeking that out because too, they can get that same sensation digitally or they're risking and they're doing all these things on video games. But in the real world, they won't even attempt anything. I think it's exacerbated too because of the connection

that even parents and kids have with each other too. Totally. So it's like one thing that you've cut out the rest of the society, but if you at least had a normal social connection with your own intimate family, you might be okay. But I find that you're seeing more and more of that too, where it's like, I mean, I don't know how many times we were out at a restaurant and I looked over at the table right next

to us and three kids, two parents, each kid had their own separate iPad watching watching their thing, you know what I'm saying? Like they're at this dinner table together and everybody's still alone. And so you gotta think that, man, that's gotta be making it accelerate this even more if it's already bad enough that they're probably not going out there with everybody else. But then even when they come home

and their immediate family isn't doing it and they're all kind of isolating themselves even when they're together, you know so I'll call myself making eye contact you know that's the big one is like if I'm ever hanging out with the kid and it's like I'm trying to like make that eye contact a lot of times like kids have a hard time now just even looking up and looking you in the eye I'll call myself out on it like when I made that example of someone stopping by, my instinct would be to get annoyed.

If someone showed up, you know what I mean? Knock on my door, what the hell, they didn't even call. What's going on? You know what I mean? My instinct would be like, they should call before and we need to schedule this. Why don't you text me? Why don't you, yeah, why, you know.

But recently I've been really paying attention to this personally. About once or twice a week I'll have a day where it's just me and the kids and my wife gets out of the house and she'll try to meet up with friends and we're trying to make a big effort on having these kind of social groups that we develop or whatever. So I'm alone with the kids and it was a little bit of a learning curve, but now I'm finding myself so present

in finding the joy in the everyday, regular stuff. But it was so easy for me before, it would have been so easy to disconnect a little bit, all right, you guys do that thing, I'll be over here, put on a little TV, do a little of that, whatever. And like you said, that intimate, that your own intimate family, you don't have that connection because you just want easy.

You don't want the, but it's not. Not even that you just want easy, I think, to your point earlier, it's become so alluring. I mean, I like watching YouTube videos of cars and cool stuff, it sucks you in. You easily can get looped in. And so I think it's partially that. Sure, there's definitely the part two

where these tools have become glorified babysitters for parents, so that's how I get that. But then there's also the selfish allure of wanting to get on and be entertained yourself. And you have these moments of boredom that are just these split seconds. And it's so easy to reach for the phone or the iPad or the TV and click that on and then disconnect

from everybody that you're around. Yeah, I mean I think about this a lot. A bunch of observers and not doers. Yeah, it's like everybody's watching, everybody else do everything. To me that's kind of like, Doug and I, we got a chance to go hang out again this last weekend and I just think like for me, that's kind of like the, you know, Doug and I, we got a chance to go hang out again this last weekend. And I just think like for me, it's just making the effort, because I'm notorious for

this, right? Where I'll, ah, you know, I got this going on and that, you know what I'm saying? And then like, and not do it versus, and I know every time I like, I make myself like the weekend before when we went up, like I almost didn't go up to go riding. And it's like, man, then I get up there and I'm like, I'm like, God, I love here. I love when I'm here. I love when- It's so easy to stay at home.

It is. That's what you're saying. And so, you know, a lot of it is just the making that effort to go do, to go do things physically. And then it is easier to disconnect from those versus like making excuses of why you can't and getting stuck at home. Yeah, we started doing this thing

and there was a few weekends we stopped, but we started back up where we do this like communal get together on Sundays and we invite, anybody's invited, it's a potluck, and everybody cleans up, everybody brings food. It's supposed to be informal instead of us like, you know, getting everything, you know, making a stressful thing.

Show up, let's hang out, bring your kids, make it super relaxed. So we had some friends over with their kids and it was amazing, man. Like, you know, the kids played and yeah, you gotta be on top of them. We gotta watch what they're doing. And at first you could see parents are anxious or whatever. And it's like, don't worry about it. You know, they make a mess. Who cares?

Like what's the big deal? And we had a great time. In fact, I'm getting more of these activities that encourage that kind of stuff. You know what I found? Did you guys ever play with, they used to sell these where they were like, it looked like a rocket and you'd add water to it

and you'd pump it up and then you'd hit a button and it'd blast off. So I went on, I'm like, dude, do they make those still? I bought one that uses a two liter bottle. So you fill up a two liter bottle with like, like a little bit of water, you put it on top, you pump it, and then there's a long string that you pull. Bro, we were, it was like hours, hours of fun.

Just blasting it in the end, and my son's like, is it gonna go into another planet? I'm like, no, it's not working. Oh yeah, I used to love doing that with my kids. But I could see my kid like, you know, cause we've been really practicing this and then the, the rocket went over to the neighbor's yard and my son who typically is shy, he walked over there with me, the lady opens the door and he talked to her,

you know, excuse me, my rocket came in your backyard. Can I walk back there and take a look at it? And I'm like, look, and I'm like, what? This is cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. They read your energy, the kids, you know, anyway, that was, it was a good time. Did you have a meet this weekend? Yeah, we had another tournament. The boys did it was down in San Luis. They did good. Um, there's, there's a few like, so there's three different events and, um, they did really good on the double mini, which is like this trampoline that's sort of like you got to run It's a running start and you hit it from the front and then like it's like a double jump and then you flip off of it Okay so they crushed that like I think Ethan got like

Second and I think ever did too Wow, but the other ones not not as great but it was just because like, I mean, the level of competition has gone up and there's like a few moves that like, if you don't nail it perfect, it's just like, it just sets you. Kills your score. Yeah, kills it dude.

So they're still working on. Is that how they judge kids at that level? It's like, you know, you should be able to do certain tricks by a certain age and like age and then it's like that's kind of like the standard. I mean I guess that's no different. It's levels. Yeah.

I mean that's where if you watch like X games and you watch snowboarding or skateboarding, it's like you. There's a minimum. There's like, well there's like a, you gotta be able to do certain tricks or you're not even gonna score high. Right, yes.

So it's like. And even when you do like, so he had a, on his trampoline, he does really well with his routine but it's like not as complex as some of the other kids. So they add like all these layers of complexity in that level that he hasn't added yet. So he like nailed it. I'm like, yeah, like killed it. But he got last place cause it was just like, they were doing these like triple flips and like all these like other added,

uh, difficulties to their routines. And so it was like, okay, we gotta figure this out and start working on a few of those other skills and develop them so you can throw it in there. But appropriate reception with that is insane. Oh yeah. Now have you had a moment or had a time where you guys have seen a kid who like is like level,

like way above like everybody, and is it like, cause it's just like so obvious when he gets out there and runs or does it like oh yeah there's there's a few kids a lot of times it's like these kids from like the Eastern European countries and stuff and they've started so young and they're just their form is just immaculate you know but there's this one kid that's on their team who's younger he's like I want to say he's like probably like nine or I think he's like nine and he competes at a higher level than like Ethan and all the other kids like way older than him. Wow. And he'll do this, this, um,

tumbling where he flips and then he does whip. It's where, or whips, I guess they call them where they do it without hands and they just kind of Flip and then he does like at the end of it like this crazy flip and then landing and sticks it and it's just like Dude, who is this? Mind blown this little kid just like So athletic and explosive. How do you know where you're at? That's such a crazy skill to know where you're at in space.

Do you spin me like that? I don't know, up, down, left, right, where, you know. You got to be obsessed. Like this kid is like one of those that works like extra hours. He's in there like seven days a week. Like he doesn't mess around. Gymnasts and divers, right? They have to have the best proprioceptive ability.

Because they could just, you watch divers spin off the. Almost the exact same thing you're talking about. Is there a crossover? Oh, I'm sure there's lots of. Divers, yeah. A lot of people that were, you do one of those. Especially the trampoline version, yeah, they do.

They do really well in diving. Or the other one was, it was like freestyle, it was like a ski event where you launch off. Like a downhill jump? Downhill jump where you spin and do all the tricks. I just watched, it's so funny you said that, I just watched a video of the longest, I don't know, it's called Ski Jump of All Time.

You ever seen them when they jump up and they put their skis like this? Yeah. And the dude, he comes down like he's gonna hit the ground and I think he caught a gust of wind and kind of went up a little bit. And floated all the way down, dude. I'm like, holy cow, who's the first person

to try that, by the way? The balls to just fly in the air like that. Just to jump off something. And it always feels, I remember when we used to video all of our stuff when we were jumping, and we'd take him snowboarding, wakeboarding, we'd make these like little highlight reels and shit and when you're doing it, it feels way bigger than what it is. Oh, then you see the video. Yeah, yeah. You hit it and you're like, oh, shit. Then you come back and you rewatch it. You're like,

you're like, what? And then you see those, yeah, then you see those videos of guys that are just like, you know, 50 feet in the air like crazy You're just like oh my god I swear I was like 10 feet in the air right there and you're like four feet off the ground Yeah, yeah now that's what always used to surprise me is like how much faster and bigger it feels when you're in it and Then when you go back and you watch it so that like I don't even think half the people really reckon unless you do Those sports right realize like man when they go big like that, it's like, it's on a Yeah. When they send it like full blown, you're just like, what?

Insane. Insane. I know what you're I would piss my pants in the air. And gymnastics too, like physics plays such a big role, right? So if you get too big, you can't do certain moves because you're just too big. Oh yeah. Yeah. So there was this one kid that was six, two, uh, who was there, who was like, I don't know, I guess he was on

his way into high school but was still doing the gymnastics and like he was in his own little class but it was like watching him do the tumbling part where you like flip end over end, you know, with like a 6'2 guy. That's crazy. It just looked bizarre and he looked like Dolph Lundgren. He had like a full on mullet and like he was just this tall kids Over everybody. I mean, I'm always extra when you have somebody who has like a body type that doesn't fit the sport and then they do Well, I think it's always fascinating. I mean, that's what made I think Jujy Mufu so famous. Yeah

It's just bodybuilders didn't make sense the physics. Yeah. Yeah, if he was a 130 pounds, can he get nobody we care? I mean as great as all the cool stuff he does. It's like that's not what's impressive. It's what's impressive is he's not supposed to do that You know I'm saying like his body type is not supposed to be able to Spin and move like that. Although you see him paying for it though. No, right, dude I was so I was hanging out with the parents one night and you have anything in common by the way besides gymnastics Are they like normal people? Is there like a gymnastic? You know like this You know, I'm not, yeah. You know how that can be? I'm not gonna trick, like navigate through this.

Be careful. You be careful with someone else, bro. There's some weirdos, but also there's some cool parents. And so thankfully I was hanging out with some of the cool ones, but we were just like chopping it up around the fire and the kids were swimming in the pool. We stayed at this hotel and they were actually talking to me about like a trend. Like it's good because they all go to different schools and this is like kind of like a hub

for a lot of different local schools in the area. And so I kind of find out what like trends are in this school and the other ones, apparently like the thing that they're talking about with prom and like a lot of dances and stuff now that we used to go and we get drinks ahead of time and we just like take shots or whatever and go in and then that way, cause then they, you know, search you and make sure you didn't have any on you.

Yeah. So you did that in high school? Well yeah. Damn. You didn't? No. No, I never drank in high school, ever. I mean, I was so good.

I just say that to make myself sound cool. No, I actually did it. But so yeah, these kids, I guess their thing, so they don't get caught is like, they'll take like soaked tampons. Oh, come on, bro. I read this. And put it.

In their buttholes. In their butt or the vagina. They'll soak a tampon in alcohol. So they get drunk, but you can't smell it. Yeah. And so they can detect it. By the way, and it hits you like twice as hard, doesn twice as hard as twice as hard yes so so you could get I was like is this really a thing or is this like just you know you heard like some

urban legend no this is like a thing apparently one of the parents are telling you this yeah like the kids have hacked the system you know I was like wow dude that's crazy if I would do that I I never would have thought to do that. Yeah, too. To get drunk? How dangerous. I would be like, you know? As a high school kid, I probably would have.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I've been through a lot of stupid stuff, for sure. What else did you put in? I'm like trying to think like, okay, what level of stupidity, where is that at? Listen, in high school, about the only thing I would have done like that

would have been if it was guaranteed muscle gain Then I would be like sure I'll do it I didn't care. I didn't care about that at that point in my life. So no definitely that was but that could get someone sick fast Oh, yeah, I mean we talked about even with the powdered alcohol. What a horrible idea that like in now kids are doing this with tampons like so like I Now kids are doing this with tampons like so like I Don't know do that. That's where I was like I sat back and was like man. I'm I am definitely you know Get how do you check your kids now before they go to a party? Bend over cough

Something's weird when your son is buying tampons And you know what the teachers came and say shit when the dude goes and gets tampons Can we say something? Yeah know what you're doing. I don't know, maybe we can't say anything now. Wow. That's crazy. So there's that, you guys. Keep on the lookout.

People are shoving stuff in their butts. Yeah, I don't know. The ingenuity. That's internet. See, this is like a side effect of the internet because there's only way that that became knowledgeable, or knowledge, had to be the internet, see this is like a side effect of the internet because there's only way that that became knowledgeable or knowledge had to be the internet, right? Well I mean you piece that together if you watch the,

it's probably Tix. What was the? I blame Ben Greenfield. No, no, no, what was the? Ben Greenfield's not. No, no, no, what was the? He's like some people put things in their ass. The Johnny Knoxville show, what was that?

They didn't do alcohol in their butt. Yes. Jackass. Yes, in Jackass he took a beer funnel to his ass. Oh, he did a beer funnel. Yeah. Yeah, but did they show him the drunk chug? Yes, he threw up from it because he got so drunk.

Oh my God. So I mean, so that was. The butt chug. I remember the first time I had, when I first saw that, I didn't understand. I didn't know that you actually would get drunk from that. So, and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't either, so I'm sure that made it popular. All they had to do was breathalyzer at the dance. Blow into this. So, and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't either,

so I'm sure that made it popular. All you gotta do is breathalyzer at the dance. Blow into this, nope, can't come in. It won't come up that way, will it? Of course it will. If you take it in the ass? Yeah, they said that. No, I don't think so.

It would be detected. I think that's part of why they do that, bro. No, exactly. No, it goes right in. No, no, you metabolize alcohol and it comes out in your breath. It's not because the alcohol was in your mouth. Oh. I don't know, bro, I think you don't I think you would pass no

dude there's no way you pass a breathalyzer just cuz you put alcohol you might want to check I don't know you might want to fat check that drivers would have figured that out by now I just I wish I had reverse the breathalyzer. You're fart on this real quick. I wish things like Z-biotics existed when I was a kid because that was like, we used to, I got sick, like almost every time. As stupid as I, you'd still do it every single week.

Go way past the line because you didn't really know. If you get a breathalyzer and you boofed, it's called boofing by the way. Yeah, that's right, I remember that. It's going to show up, told you. That's right. Alcohol comes through the lungs, oxygen, carbon dioxide interchange in your body occurs, told you. This is also, there's also-

It's more of a smell and a detection thing. Yes, bro, breathalyzer's not smell. This is also that, what's that urban legend like, oh, suck on some pennies if you're going to do a breathalyzer. And it won't show up. Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And that doesn't work either. No, bro oh, suck on some pennies if you're gonna do a breathalyzer and it won't show up. Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

That doesn't work either. No. Suck on some pennies. You remember that? Oh yeah, I had my buddy, I think my buddies did that. Yeah, yeah, I think my buddies, they got in trouble at prom and they were like sucking on pennies like crazy.

It's called boofing. Yeah, so if you're a breathalyzer at the dance, everybody will know. And then you put a tampon on your butt for no reason, buddy. Yeah. How embarrassing. Now you're that guy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Anyway, dude, I read a crazy article about AI-generated content. Did you know that there's people, so this is going to keep getting weirder and weirder. There are channels on YouTube that they're targeting children, because that's a really, apparently that's the best market to target on YouTube with AI generated cartoons and animations that look like popular

kids shows like Cocoa Melon and stuff like that. But it's AI generated and it's to, and it's generate getting a bunch of views and stuff. And parents are figuring it out because they're watching it and it doesn't make sense. Some of these animations are disturbing. In fact, some of the parents are saying, and then they'll go back and report it and they're like, oh, doesn't make sense. Some of these animations are disturbing, in fact, some of the parents are saying. And then they'll go back and report it

and they're like, oh, this is AI generated. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I watched an AI generated short film. I sent it to you guys, pretty sure you didn't watch it. It was an AI generated short film. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did you watch it?

Just part of it. Of aliens invading the planet? Yeah, it was weird. The entire short film, it was 10 minutes long, Did you watch it? Just part of it. Of aliens invading the planet? The entire short film, it was 10 minutes long, so not that long, the entire thing was AI generated. Was it good? Yes. Oh, it was?

I mean, good enough. I mean, I could see how it's gonna get way better. It had the president on there talking, so they obviously took clips of him and the AI made it look like he was talking. It showed the spaceships and Vladimir Putin talking. It was this whole like, it was like this. Entertainment is just going to completely, uh,

get a big facelift with AI generated. So cause two, they're always looking to cut production costs. And so, but I, I don't know, man, I don't know if it's like, how long is it going to take before it's like, oh wow, this is a really good story, well thought out, like all the pieces kinda work together. I think it's gonna be a while. I mean, you have to think that we thought that, like when CGI and stuff like that came out,

that it was gonna ruin movies and TV and the graphics and stuff like that. I mean, you had to think that. It did ruin a few movies, yeah. Yeah, I mean, so I don't know. It did ruin a few movies, yeah. Yeah, I mean, so, I don't know, I think it's just gonna be another thing, right? There's gonna be a genre of AI-generated things that. Is it, or is it gonna be like,

where you're gonna have your own AI generator and so all your content will be personalized and it'll make movies just for you? You're not gonna care about who else watches the movie. I don't know, don't you think there's something about, there's, I mean, you lose the artistry out of that. And so maybe temporarily we'll be entertained by that or like it, but then I think we'll still have this pull

towards like true artistry. Well here, just more disturbing news on that end, there was a guy who started an AI, it was a porn site where it was, AI will generate what you're looking for. So you'll type in what you want, and they had to shut it down because the searches, and he said, his quote was,

I don't know if people are testing the AI to see if it'll do it, or if people actually are looking for this. And they didn't even say in the article what it was people were typing in, but it was so disturbing that they shut it down. Yeah, I guarantee a majority of people are just trying to put in the worst thing they can think of.

Or there's some evil eyes. Yeah, probably both. I'm sure it's both. Yeah. Speaking of tech and stuff like that, did you guys see the Amazon hot air balloon? Oh yeah. Look at, look up Doug, the Amazon hot air balloon for drones. Oh, I've seen this.

How this is going to work. That's right. Just floats above you and then drones come deliver shit to you. You know, it makes more, it'll be like a warehouse. Yeah. So originally, so exactly. Originally I envisioned it like you, it would, it would go from a, a, like a normal warehouse. Like, man, that's going to be crazy. They've traveled, but this makes more sense where, and the balloon will be able to surveillance itself too.

Cause that was the other thing is like, oh, you're going to have all these people that are going to shoot things down. It's like, well, if you have this balloon that has all this surveillance on it and it only drops it when it gets over a close vicinity to the, the house, the proximity of the house. Well, now you have one in each like district or something like that. Yeah, just floating around.

And I think you can, those things run pretty relatively. You got it done? Well, I got some here they say are not real. That's going to be weird, dude. They're going to be everywhere, dude. That's going to be so weird. Our skies are going to be just polluted with shit. I saw a video of like a real one.

Are those all fake right there, what you're looking at? Yeah, it looks like there's some fake ones here. Although that one on the left does look kind of like the one that I saw the video of. I mean, it does blow me away that right now, in fact, what did I just order? I just bought something right now on Amazon. I can't remember what it was.

Overnight, it'll be at my house tonight. Yeah, there's stuff the same day, two hours. There's some Amazon Prime stuff you can get within two hours. So this is gonna be like, what, 15 minutes? I mean, just, it's crazy, right? That's so crazy. There's some Amazon Prime stuff you can get within two hours. So this is going to be like what 15 minutes? Just crazy, right? It's so crazy. That's wild. I know.

So they're just going to float them around basically and then just drop. It'll be like a warehouse. I've seen some of their warehouses too where they have those robot, almost looks like the, what are those Roombas? But it has a stack of all these like crates on top of it and it's just constantly moving and shifting it And they're all on different like algorithms and patterns. That's the video I saw Doug. Oh, look at that. Just flying down just dropping Is that real? I don't know is it? Andrew pulled that one up It can't be real. It looks like an AI probably generated

I'm not seeing any real ones I think you're back in 2019. It can't be real. It looks like an AI probably generated. What a weird. Yeah, I'm not seeing any real ones. Yeah, we're in that sort of. By the way, you know you can train eagles to take out drones. You guys know that, right? Yeah, yeah. They do that for the Super Bowl.

Yeah. That'll be like the, it's like the future war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have hawks and eagles. You know what I'm saying? We'll be like those Mongolian guys with the... Something less techie that someone that they're trying...

I've always wondered why we never had this. And I saw in Australia they're doing this. They are testing out glow in the dark lines in the road. I've always wondered why we don't have that. Have you ever wondered that? It makes perfect sense. It makes total sense. Like we have this...

Does it have to do with the fact that does it wear out or something? Is that why we haven't done it? I don't know why we haven't done it in the past. Like it seems like we've, we could do a lot of pretty cool shit to get something to glow in the dark where the sun's going to light it up or charge in the daytime. Yeah. It seems like pretty obvious that. And how many times are you driven on a road that has no lights or so with that? And you could barely see the lines on the road or it has no real lines on the road. Like, Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah. Where's that in Australia? It's true. Look up glow in the dark, uh, highways or roads in Australia.

Yeah. I never understood why we never did that. I just saw an article on it that they're testing it out. Like, what do you need to test out? Like it's going to be better than there it is right there. Look at it. It's gotta be because maybe they wear out or something like that. Do you know how they used to make glow in the dark hands on watches, wristwatches? Yeah, it was just some really toxic radium. And then the ladies that were painting them would lick the tip to fine tune it. The paint brushes? Yeah, paint brushes.

And they are all getting cancer. Oh my God, I didn't know that. Yeah, radium. Oh my God. I know, I know. You guys wanna hear a stupid study? I read this, people are sharing this study because they're like, see?

I'm like, oh come on guys. I'll read this study to you and then I'm sure you guys will see what's so stupid about it. Soon as I read to you, but it was a study on free weights versus machines. Okay. Okay. Here is the title of the study. This was published in October of last year, so relatively new. Adaptations and athletic performance and muscle architecture, meaning, I guess, muscle size, are not meaningfully conditioned by training free weights versus machine-based exercises. In other words, uh, there was no difference between the groups, both

training modalities significantly and similarly improved vertical jump. Now here's the study, ready for this? 34 men participated in an eight week resistance training program. Eight weeks is not enough time to see the, you know, machines are very easy to learn and use, and you can exert a lot of force on them. Free weights require more skill. The reason why free weights are in, in many ways, and again, a full, a complete routine would include everything, but the reason why free weights are in many ways. And again, a complete routine would include everything.

But the reason why free weights are so great is there's such a, the results you get from them continue so long because of the skill required, the balance required. There's a curve for that too. And there's benefits to the fact that you get that very quick with the machines. And so you see maybe a rapid change or adaptation, but then the fall off is way quicker than if you're talking about freeways. Such a stupid argument.

I know. You know, it's all these, all these strength training studies are all eight, 12, 16 weeks. Um, which doesn't tell you a whole lot. A big picture of anything you You would need, and this unfortunately is just not realistic, nobody would fund a study like this, but you would want a year, two year, three year, five year study is what you would want, and then you would get some really good answers.

People listening right now, you want that because you plan on working out for the rest of your life, not just for a super short period of time. Yeah, yeah. Do you see Elon Musk coming out saying, advocating for a UBI? Thought that was really interesting. Did he?

Yeah. Now, is he advocating for it with a cut or reduction? I think he was in like, I saw the interview, he was like in Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that, maybe Dubai, I don't remember where he was at, but he was in some other country having the interview, he was like in Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that, maybe Dubai, I don't remember where he was at, but he was in some other country having the interview. And he was basically saying that where we're going, and I think with the innovation and stuff like that,

that we're going to have to move into that. Not so much that he's like, we should, because it would be better. But more so. Is his worry and concern about the loss of so many jobs in terms of everybody. Yeah. And what will all these people be doing? Innovated out.

Yeah. It's not the loss of jobs, it's the changing of jobs. So if some jobs get lost others will get created, but then you require new skills. Yeah, but that transition's gonna be rough. Yes, the transition. Not only that, but like, okay, so what you just said is like, it's been proven for a very long time.

Forever. Forever. But we are in for a very long time. Forever. Forever. But we are in like, kind of unprecedented time. Like, never in history did we ever have this thing, like these. I mean, it's true. Will they be able to do everything? So that's my point. Including events.

So like, your like, free market argument has been true forever, because it's like, oh, well you have these new jobs that we technology. Yeah, no, there's's wagon makers don't exist anymore because now people make cars. Right, and so other things opened up for them to do jobs. But what if for the first time ever, like these robots, AI tools can now sort of-

Literally do everything. Do everything. It's like maybe for the first time ever, that argument might not always hold weight anymore. Although I agree with you, historically, it just opens up more opportunities and this is just how it's always worked, but we've never been able to create something that actually goes and builds it for us now. So it's kind of an interesting time and argument that we could be on the cusp of literally

having 80% of the things that we have done, done by technology. Now the question is, at that point, if we keep going down that rabbit hole, right, okay, so we have artificial general intelligence. It can innovate, create, it can do everything for us. Then does that, are there gonna be rich people? Or poor people?

Like what does that look like? If it does everything for everybody, who owns them? I don't know. Well that's, I think where he, I think that's the argument he's making for like the universal basic income is that we'd have to come with some sort of structure

that way because it's like there's no need to have to go work and earn revenue. Now obviously that's not, this doesn't happen overnight. Like there's gonna be a gradual transition of what it looks like of us working all the time to working less and less and less. But it does feel like we're moving more and more in that direction.

I mean obviously COVID accelerated a lot of things with the 50% of people working from home. Then you have a lot of these companies that are now advocating for four day work weeks. I mean, like it's slowly kind of moving in that direction and you see technology that's starting to come and evolve and get better and better at being able to produce all this stuff.

It's makes me wonder if it's going to be here sooner than, than we may have thought it was going to be. It'll be a crisis. I think, I don't think it'll be a crisis because we don't have enough stuff. I think it'll be a crisis because people are gonna be like, well, what do I do? Yeah, where's my meeting?

Where's my purpose? You know what it reminds me of? We've talked about this before. I remember watching my two best friends' dads. Both had like hard labor type. One was a truck driver, the other one was backhoe and grading, like hard labor jobs that they built

and worked really hard most of their lives. Finally get to retirement and retired, and of course, initially, like amazing, go golfing, a Hawaii trip, down to Mexico, I mean, they're doing, and then it's like six months goes by and it's like depressed, and don't know how anything to do, don't wanna do any of that stuff anymore.

It's like, so imagine the entire world getting to retire, you know, like imagine how many people. It's hell of scary. It's, it's, it's. It doesn't make any sense. And then you add in the fact of how this conversation all started where we've also lost touch of community and meeting with people.

And so now you have all this free time to spend with people, but you don't really, you just consume more digital content and just go down the rabbit hole even more versus using that free time to connect with people in person. I mean, I don't know. Would it cause a resurgence in the, do you guys think it would cause a huge influx

of people seeking spiritual practices? Yeah. Probably, right? Well, already you get a sense people are looking for something difficult, you know? Trying to get their hands dirty with something. Well, yeah, spiritual quests, you know, whatever. I think there's gonna be a lot of sort of journeys and epiphanies people are gonna be seeing.

Yeah, years ago I came up with that. That's like, you know, you ever daydream, come up with scripts for movies? Justin, I know you do. My idea was that this was like the future and that people were like so stuck, ah, what do we do? They're like, you know what we should do?

We should create a virtual reality world that we can go in and experience challenge, and that's the one we live in now. You know what I mean? That's like. Yeah. We made life so easy, we had to do this again. Yeah. You know, that type of deal we live in now. You know what I mean? That's like. We made life so easy we had to do this again. You know, that type of deal.

That's the movie, don't steal it from me. Someone's gonna write that script now. I just know it anyway. Crazy stuff, crazy stuff. So Zebotics, we had our, did you guys do, I know you brought it up earlier, but did you guys do a St. Patrick's Day celebration? We didn't, we were just, we were,

we had just got back in town, right? So Doug and I flew in yesterday. So it's, we did, we had some friends over and had some alcohol. We didn't have Irish alcohol, we just had mimosas. I don't know if that counts or whatever, sorry. It does not count. It does not count.

It's not really St. Patrick's Day. No, no. Zebiotics really is scary effective. It's scary how effective it is. I don't feel like I drank. It's been nice for me because up until that point, I rarely ever drank. And I have a wife that likes to do that.

Katrina will enjoy a drink here and there. It's actually nice to be able to enjoy that with her. And I've actually felt like, oh, this is nice. I never would think, I mean, I did just a couple, like what, two weekends ago, I think it was two weekends ago when I was barbecuing and, you know, yelled up at her, hey, can I open that Rombauer? And she's like, what, you just gonna crack a bottle of wine?

Like I would never do that in the past. But because I feel like garbage. Yeah, because two glasses of it would make me feel crappy. Even not even getting drunk from it, just two glasses of it. But now, it doesn't matter if I'm having one or two glasses or six glasses, I automatically just go to the, in the pantry and crack a Z-biotic. Did you guys bring some to, when you guys went down,

I know you guys went to Mexico to do more stuff. No, I didn't bring it. I didn't bring it, I didn't drink much. Yeah, you guys just went down there. I did drink one day, but had the most amazing pina coladas actually. Really? Did you guys go to the same place we went to last time? No.

Different place? Yeah, we stayed at a place called Nobu. So famous for the Japanese chef. Yeah, so he has a bunch of restaurants that have become quite. Palo Alto has one, Southern California has one. Oh yes, yes, I've seen that. Yeah.

All right. Yeah it was cool, I mean. Now you were saying that you saw, cause you were in Mexico so you're out of the US. You were seeing a lot of people wearing. Oh, Viori, like crazy. I mean it's everywhere. Like just.

Yeah there was a time when we first, cause Viori like did, for the listener that hasn't been listening for that many years, we were Viori's first advertising channel, right? They hadn't done commercials, hadn't done any ads, they weren't working with any podcasts. We were the first partnership with them. And so there was a while there where if I saw someone who was fit and they were wearing Viori, it was like- It must be a listener. Yeah, there was like a 50-50 shot that they would be a mind pump listener where it's definitely not that way now.

I mean, it's become so dominant now that I rarely ever see a dude wearing Lulu. I'll see a dude always wearing if you're wearing athletes, you're where you're almost almost always they've crushed that. And I was telling we were sitting in the airport yesterday and I was making that statement to Doug while I was mid sentence going like, it's crazy how many people are wearing Viori. Like literally a dude walks right in front of me with Viori pants on. You know I've been stopped by people

who have no idea about the show, none of that stuff, and they'll stop me like, you work for Viori. Because the ads. You work for Viori. Like I wish I was that good looking that they picked me specifically to be an ad. Because I was a model. To model, you know what I mean? Though I have a. They picked me specifically to model. You know what I mean?

They'll have a podcast. That's the whole deal. You know what's cool though, speaking of Viori models and stuff, I do think it's neat that one of the guys who we hired to do one of our programs years ago, I think we hired him for our hit program first, which we did years and years ago,

has become a regular model for Viori now. Oh wow. They got him from us. He got a tonal. He got a bunch of gigs after that. Yeah, that's right, he got tonal also. So yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. Dude, that's okay. This is what I just ordered on Amazon.

I just remembered, because I have a note up here, that I'm gonna try something. I haven't tried it yet, so I can't vouch for it. But have you guys, okay, so you know those old, I don't know what you would call them, like those Indian gurus will lay on a bed of nails

or whatever, you've seen that stuff before, okay. So they make these mats, they're acupressure mats, and they have spikes on them, okay. I've seen them. You've seen them? Yeah, I've never tried one. Okay, so I don't know, it popped up in one of my ads and I started to read reviews about it.

Now, they're like little plastic. Do you do extreme yoga with it? Huh? Is that what that's for? What? No, you lay them on your bed and you sleep on them. No, no, no, no, you don't sleep on it. So this one, you lay on it,

it's these little sharp spikes on it and there's different levels. So I got the low level, because I'm like, I don't know, it's going to be like, you lay on it and apparently it relieves. You're hella present. It relieves. Yeah, fuck yes. It's magical, You're hella present. It relieves. Yeah, fuck yes.

It's magical, makes you super present. Hey, you know what? I was thinking about this too. Look, look at these mats. So zoom in on the spikes. So first off, I thought about this. I'm like, I will not lay on this with my kids around me because my son will jump on me if I'm on the ground.

Of course. Look at these little spikes. Okay, so I read the reviews and people are like, there's no affiliation by the way, we're not sponsoring a company. They're like, oh, it's really uncomfortable if you can get through the first minute or two, then you get incredible relaxation and anxiety relief.

Apparently it's really good for stress relief. So don't you think this is the same mechanism that like to shut the CNS off as like, cold plunge does or? Correct, that's my idea. Yeah, that's my thought. It's gotta be the same. The same thing with the vibrating plates.

It's all that to just distract the signal. I don't know if it's like a vibrating plate. I think it's more like it sucks. Yeah, I think it'd be more like cold plunge. It'd be more like cold plunge or something like that. Yeah, but you're getting trigger points in different directions, which is diverting the signal. I mean, yeah, maybe right? I'll let you guys know what it's you know what it's like But but the the models in the pictures look like they're having a good time No, the comments are like

Like people are like, oh this is in what even led you to this were you talking to someone? No, I got hit with, people are like, oh, this is intense. What even led you to this? Were you talking to someone? No, I got hit with an ad. I wonder. Yeah, I got hit with an ad and I thought, this might be interesting, lay on it for 10 minutes, maybe read while you're on it. But apparently, there was one comment I read

where the guy's like, make sure you watch the video on how to adjust yourself on it. Don't smash your crotch on it. Okay. So are you connecting that? Obviously this is like to bring down stress, anxiety, that type of deal. It just make yourself present really as well. Okay. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I got it. I can't not be present. Well, this is on kind of like the same level of, uh, uh, smart, I guess,

like stupidity. Uh, so I saw this video for football on ice, which is a thing, like an actual thing in like an arena. So people were watching and I was like, Oh my God, do they have ice skates like hockey, but they're playing football? Like, no, they're just in like smooth shoes and they're like running, trying almost like you're, you play broom hockey, you know, but you're like playing football. Why is this stupid? It's gonna be so dangerous. So stupid. Yeah, because like, you're gonna tackle somebody then what right onto the ice like in like if you

land, like talk about their obviously helmet, potential helmet, you know what, I bet it's safer than regular football. Yeah, I mean, you don't get as much you're not gonna hit him with as hard. Yeah, you're you don't get as much you're not gonna hit him with as hard Yeah, you're not gonna get his Imagine though the the whiplash of the head on ice. I mean that's like playing on concrete. Yeah, and they can't really stop and Control their cuts and everything. So I feel like and you can't forces you produce are gonna be nil Yes, I think you're not gonna hit him as hard

Football and you know this was a thing. And your feet can't plant. Show me a video of that. It literally looks like what you would think. Like this is just ridiculous. When people are on recess and they're on ice and they're just trying to run, they're like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, It's safer if you think about it. I mean, you might be. How many injuries happen in football because your cleats get stuck to the ground and you try to cut or turn or hit?

Most, yeah. A lot, right? Yeah, well, most ligament injuries. Yeah, especially with turf, right? Isn't that what turf is such a... That's the big problem, yeah. If we went back to regular turf, it'd solve a lot of problems, actually.

Yeah, so I feel like this is kinda, this might be safer. Is it not pulling up, Doug? I kinda wanna just... I mean, it might, but my thoughts was like, it'd be cooler if you had like, so if I was actually going to structure this where it's like, I would want to watch it because it'd be exciting.

Like this looks like kids like out there just being stupid. Like I would have like seven on seven with ice skates. And then you could like, you know, have like moving starts and like play almost like arena football. But it's kind of going backwards like the evolutionist. Most sports, the way they evolve is a higher velocity, higher scoring. Yes. Like so doing something that makes it more difficult to do those things seems kind of backwards, like everything else, every other game, football, basketball has evolved. I like it.

Nobody's even close to it. He's just like, yeah, how do you play deep? There's like no defense in this game because you can't get there because you're just sliding around everywhere. Yeah. Nobody gets hurt. Okay. Where does the money come from to support a league like that? I don't know, dude. Like, is there, there's that many people that are watching that, that you can actually, or it's like all a bunch of people on their free time.

There is, you can find almost any sport you can imagine right now, okay? I showed you guys once, the arm wrestling one where they punch each other, you saw that one. Yeah, I like the one where they're in the car together and then In Russia they have fights with people wearing full armor So swords and armor. Yeah shit and they're each other then they have MMA fights where it's like

Like a woman versus two dwarves or something like that. They have boxes where you can like climb up boxes and jump off and attack people. Yeah dude. It's like what? This is all people thought of. That's a great question Adam. Who funded that? Yeah, maybe that's what we're gonna do some jobs. Yeah, we'll just figure out. Fund your ridiculous sports.

Just get into. Just stupid shit outside. I'll just figure out. Fun, ridiculous sports. Ridiculous sports to just get into. Just stupid shit outside. I'll be back, honey, where you going? Ice golf, I'm gonna go play some ice golf. Did you guys see that video of there was this pro, what country is she from? New Zealand, she's a female golfer pro,

and she was just hitting some golf balls at one of those top golf places. Oh, I saw this video. Did you see this? Yeah. And she was videotaping herself at one of those top golf places. And she would just see this and she was videotaping herself and she's like working on her swing or I don't know what she was doing. Yeah. And some dude in the back is like, uh, Hey honey, you're going to have to follow through if you really want to hit it. Giving her golf tips or swing. And she's, she's a pro. She's a pro.

So she's like, well, you know, sometimes when, you know, when you're practicing, you're trying to change up your swing or whatever, no, no, no, no, you gotta like, it's like makes dudes look really, you know, the whole like mansplaining thing, like this happened right there. And he just keeps telling her, and she's looking at the camera like, she handled it really well.

Yeah, and so then she wallops one, right? What does the guy say? See, I told you a few times. Like his advice made it. She's been doing it the whole time. Oh, God. Bro, she's a bro, you idiot. told you if you know his advice the whole time. Bro, just a bro. You idiot. I'm sucked into that show right now.

That full swing has got me going the series on that. It's really interesting right now. I'm not even like, I don't follow golf at all, but the, I've done such a good job on that show. It's really interesting. Everything. What is it? Yeah. No, it's a, it's the, uh, it's on the second season and it's kind of like what they did with the F1 racing Netflix did where they follow the season. So they're doing the same thing in golf. They've picked a handful, like maybe, I don't know, there's probably 10 of them that they're

following of some of the top golfers in the world. And they follow them and made a Netflix drama series around it. And it's just, it's so brilliant because if you're not really into the sport, it's such a great way to introduce you. Like, I mean, I feel like me watching one season of that, I have a really good grasp of like, what's going on in the golf world now. Like, which is so cool, like that I could sit

and watch one series and then feel- Are these documentaries or series, are they funded by the PGA or anything like that? No, Netflix pays for them. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so these golfers get paid by Netflix for that stuff. Oh wow. Yeah.

And right now there's, and part of why it's interesting to me right now is because of the competing golf league. I can't think of the top of my name. Liv? Yeah, Liv, thank you. Is that the one where they were off? Saudi Arabia. Is that one doing well? Well, I mean, they merged recently.

So there's all kinds of drama going on. So two years ago when it first came about, they actually offered a bunch of top golfers a ridiculous amount of money to come play for them. And a handful of them did. And so then there was this like drawing a line the sand. PGA was like, if you go over there, you'll never play on a PGA, you know, tournament game. It's an asterisk on all your records.

Yeah, right. So it was like, and then of course the guy, and then there was guys that actually turned down the money because they were just like, this is about legacy and the PGA has been around forever and you know, I'm going to stay here type of deal. And so there became this like, you know, those guys over there, us over here. And then they came out with this thing where they allowed them to play in a in a tournament where they actually competed against each other. And everyone thought that the PGA guys were just going to wallop the guys that left because they were they thought,

oh, the guys who left for live, they left for money, and they're not gonna they're not real. They don't care. Yeah, they're not. Yeah, they're not really passionate anymore. They were just in it for the money. And one of the guys actually won. So that caused even more. And then fast forward a year later, Liv and PGA come out and make a merger deal. And they actually merged the companies.

And the people, so now you have these guys who passed up all this money that got fucked. It's messed up. It's hell. So there's all kinds of like, yeah, no, it's like super, and I don't know, at least to my knowledge, there's never been something like this in any other sport.

It's like, imagine if like XFL actually took off and then stole a bunch of this. Successful. Yeah, like the drama that would be around the NFL and so with that, so. Dude, speaking of legacy, have you guys seen the training videos of Tyson? He's been putting them out.

Yeah. I haven't seen the latest. So what do you guys think? What's your thoughts? You know, he's still 58, but wow, I wouldn't want to find him. I mean, he moves, yeah, explicitly still. He's still terrifying.

So here's what's interesting to me is, for Jake Paul, this is a lose-lose no matter what. Yeah, if he knocks out a 58-year-old, everyone's going to be like you. Yeah, you beat up an old guy. You're a dick, right? If he gets his ass kicked. He gets his ass kicked.

It's like, see, we've been telling you he's not that good. So it's like it's a loop. I kind of feel like that's his best case scenario, only because if he loses to Tyson, he loses to Tyson. Yeah. He needs to get a loss in to draw more people. I feel at this point, I don't know it to me Yeah, it isn't very I went on a Tyson win win video spree

Watching all his old stuff. Oh, that is just you know, some people are just Anomalies that guy was terrifying 58 though. I can't believe He moves like that at 58. I don't care if he doesn't have the same stamina or whatever The way he moves is just doesn't so what's I heard that the the rules or whatever for this leaked Did you guys know it was it wasn't true or spreading rumors that they're gonna have the head gear on they're gonna have like 20 ounce clubs Yeah, there was all kinds of like rumors on what was gonna happen and So far from what I heard none of that is true

It's gonna be like a normal boxing match for as far as I know I'm most interested in the how they're getting paid because it's supposed to stream for free on Netflix Which means they must Netflix must have paid out of pocket. It's them Yeah, and that to me that's the only way this makes sense if I'm Jake Paul is if this is my, uh, my walk off. Like you're done. Yeah, I'm done. Like I, I, I made my run in boxing. I made more money than most boxers will ever make in their live boxing. And I'm an, I was a no, but no name boxer. Look what I did. I got to exit out by boxing, Mike Tyson, win or lose, whatever, with the one of the biggest paydays probably ever in history. And he walks away from it. Like to me that, that makes the most sense. Like if he history and he walks away from it like to me that that makes the most

Sense like if he does that well, I'm like, okay, that's a that's a way to go out You know I'm saying to be done with it done with the sport. Well, then his brother went on to like WWE, right? I thought that was a good move. Yeah, that's what I mean Like if he goes any moves on to something different now and this was his this was his little run in boxing Do you speaking of like MMA and fighting and also, did you see that Conor McGregor, his debut in the movie that he just did, Roadhouse, was the highest paid action for, so Sylvester Stallone, Arnold, all those,

he got paid more to do that for his first acting debut than any actor previously before that. You mean the highest paid debut or period? Yes, debut, debut. Do you know what the pay was? Yeah, it was like four million or something like that, I think. That's not bad at all. Yeah, for your first acting debut.

Just to walk in and shut up. Yeah, for your first one. So he has the record for that. He has a boxing record debut and he has the MMA debut. So for all three, so MMA, boxing and now acting. He's a brilliant self-promoter. So good, so good. Isn't that impressive?

So is this a remake of the original Roadhouse? I think it is. With Patrick Swayze, right? That's what I've heard. It looks like it has a little bit of a different storyline, but I think it is based off of- I never watched the original one. What? No.

It's a classic. No. Really? Yeah, dude, Patrick Swayze, like after Ghost and like Dirty Dancing, I don't watch watch him. I think he did Roadhouse first Ghost came later bro. Those came later, but not dirty dancing came out first Yeah, dirty dancing might be first. Does it say kid when it came out? So I'm like, I don't want to watch that dirty dancing guy. Yeah. I mean he has a bit of dance moves in his punching That's he really?

You can tell he's got a dance background. It's good. I like it. It's good, though. I liked Roadhouse. I liked him in The Outsiders. He was a great character in The Outsiders. I thought Roadhouse was good. It's a classic, dude. I watched it not that long ago. So it's Conor McGregor's in the new Roadhouse that they're

doing, right? Yeah. So does he play Dalton? Is he Dalton? Is it actually the same characters' names and everything? Yeah. How many times have you seen Roadhouse, Adam? I own it, I have it.

Oh wow. No, he's played Knox. Do you know who Knox is? Oh, so that's not, so he's not Patrick Swayze in this. I don't know who, I don't remember. Oh no, let's see. Oh, so. Jake Gyllenhaal.

Gyllenhaal plays Dalton. Oh, so he's his, oh so is he what, what's the guy from Tombstone? I don't know. This was one of your favorite movies of all time Oh, right the handlebar. Yes. Yes the older guy. That's him Oh Okay, so it is it totally is based off of that Wow Yeah, I don't know if I put this my favorite movie ever, but it was it's a top ten for you It's a good 80s, right? It's an 80s flick. Isn't it? Well attractive action here. Yeah

It's a fun one. Yeah classic. Yeah's an 80s flick, isn't it? A lot of attractive action here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a fun one, dude. It's a classic. Yeah, no, it's up there, for sure. Hey, we have the Park City House up here. Do we have openings finally? Because people are messaging. We do now. I think we just came off a run where it was pretty booked up.

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How can we help you? How you doing? It's great to finally speak to you. So a little bit of background. I've been listening since 2016. So I feel like I qualify as an OG at this point. You are. So 37-year-old, six foot tall, about 240. My reason I was calling is that

in 2023, I re-injured myself and so I used starter in two different versions of resistance to build myself up before finishing the year with anabolic and started out this year running performance with the intention to run aesthetic and finish out the arch and bundle. Then you guys went and dropped performance advanced. Um, I'm also a volunteer firefighter. And so now I'm torn. Do I go with my original plan, run aesthetic or do I go for performance advance?

Performance advanced. Yeah. No question. Yeah. Especially someone with your experience of training. I know you followed our programs. I go for performance advanced? Performance advanced? Yeah. No question. Yeah. Especially someone with your experience of training. I know you followed our programs.

And what you said about being a volunteer firefighter, like there's, I mean, you'll move better. And the stuff in performance and advances is very unique in comparison to our other programs. Like what you're going to get out of that program what you're gonna get out of that program, you won't get out of any other program. You see that Sal? I love that you've actually organized this for us

so we can see the order that you've ran everything here. This is cool. Yeah, no. Cardio suspension, athlete, butt builder, kettlebell. No, you're set. Yeah, yeah. That'll be the way to go, especially with the power training in there and just some of the skills type training. Do you, do you,

have you gone through the program and looked at the skills training to see which one, which direction you want to go? I have, and I'm looking at doing rotation. Awesome. Because it's so much on the fire scene that is unilateral, whether you're pulling with a pipe hole or you're controlling the hose line that's trying to turn you. So rotational control seems like the most advantageous. If I run it again, it would probably be great. Yeah, that's perfect. I see. Uh, you haven't ran map strong yet. Have

you, have you ran that yet? I have not a strong is on my bucket list of programs. I would love to run because I remember you guys talking about how great it is yes and I've got a history of back problems so it's definitely on my list you would do you have it can I send it to you okay let's send that over to you I think that's a great great one to add to your car I'd love to see how you respond with the rotation stuff especially for if you have previous back issues to reinforce you know stability and strength there for you. I think it's going to be huge. Yeah.

And then do you have performance advanced or should we send that to you too? Uh, as well, Lindsay, I bought it with actually before it even went live. I got the email before you guys posted it was live and had it purchased. So, all right. Awesome. We'll take care of you on strong then. So we got you strong run strong after you do the performance advance and that'll be a great one.

For sure. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it guys. All right. You got it. Yeah, great to see you. Thanks for your support.

Have a great day. You too. Thank you. Good setup. Yeah, yeah. Good setup of program. I love that she had it all mapped out like that too. That was really cool.

Yeah. I wanted to ask her, I should have asked her what her lifts look like and stuff. I didn't realize she was six foot. I didn't know that. Yeah I mean obviously she's been in the forum and been following for a long time so I've definitely communicated with her a bunch of times on Instagram. Had no idea that she was six foot. Yeah what are the quality when you do do you guys have any idea what the qualifications are for volunteer firefighter? You still have to go through training and do the whole deal, right? Yeah. I have no idea what the qualifications are.

Yeah, I would assume so. I don't know, I know my dad, way back in the day, tried to get in with San Jose and also down in LA, but he had some kind of, it was like a scoliosis or a curve in it, so they dismissed it. Wow. I used to train someone that did wildfire. For a while they would go and volunteer for that.

You ever hear about what that looks like? Oh, it's crazy. It's like you're out there digging and just tearing things up and trying to create. It's crazy, but I would rather be a wildfire than just a regular firefighter. Because regular firefighters, especially in the city, they take a lot of car accidents and stuff, people being decapitated, like you get more of that type of stuff. A lot of carnage, yes. That I wouldn't be great at.

You have to complete basic fire and EMS training is what it says. Okay. Yeah, good stuff. Our next caller is Lauren from Canada. Hi Lauren, how can we help you? Hi, hi. I just wanna say I'm so excited to be here.

Thank you. Us too. I've been following you guys since 2020 by recommendation by another trainer. So it's pretty cool that I'm here today. Awesome. How can we help you? I was wondering if you could offer any recommendations in terms of like what training

protocols I should follow, um, in the week I work as a massage therapist and on the side, I stand a lot. So, and I stand for a long periods of time because I'm a DJ on the weekend. Awesome. Nice. of time because I'm a DJ on the weekend. Awesome. Nice. Um, sometimes I notice lower back pain at the end of a work day.

So I like to try to get back in shape and then be able to sustain the work demands. Okay. Um, how long have you been doing massage therapy? Uh, about two years. Okay. So kind of new and then have you noticed any fatigue or pain in your wrist, hands, elbows, shoulders, kind of the common areas that massage therapists will notice issues? More so fatigue but not...

I think I know how to manage it now. Okay. Good. Okay. I think most important is going to be moving in different planes and hip stuff, right? For hip mobility, just standing in the same position for long, long periods of time, like Katrina was a massage therapist when we first met. So this was an area that like, we, like, I really focused with her because she would lift and then most of her lifts were, you know, in the sagittal plane, real basic type of training. And she just needed to move in different planes. And so I think like a map's performance would be the direction that I would take her and maybe, and then map symmetry

like those two would probably be. Those will both be ideal for both things that you're talking about. You know, core stability and strength is going to be important to reduce that back pain. And it's really about the balance of strength between the muscles in the front of the core, the side of the core and those internal core muscles, so transverse, abdominal, abs, obliques. You're going to want to make sure those are strong to support your, your stability as

you're standing. Otherwise you will start to feel fatigue in the low back and it's typically coming from either the erector spinae muscles of the low back. So those are the muscles that follow the sides of the spine and or the hip flexor muscles that attach at the spine like the psoas. What those do is they kind of keep you upright and when they fatigue you'll kind of feel this tightness across the low back. Strengthening the supporting muscles help but symmetry and performance both have great core components and then for massage therapy and I'm sure you already know this besides technique, right so I worked with a

exceptional massage therapist and she would train other therapists and she would talk a lot about technique and how to position your body a Lot of people don't notice but it's a very fatiguing Type of work. I notice, but it's a very fatiguing type of work. I mean, working on someone's body really beat you up. If you don't position your body right and have the right technique, you'll kill yourself. So that's number one, but number two, like strengthening the hands through full ranges of motion,

the wrists, core stability, and then what Adam said with the hips. I think both of those programs would be perfect. Oh yeah emphasis on rotation, other planes for sure, strengthening that so it supports your spine, your core and work on you know the posterior chain as well being so forward all day long and putting a lot of emphasis in that to sort of counter that and build that support you know in opposition is gonna be huge. But yeah, those programs would be perfect for that. And then I think there's nothing wrong

with doing other programs that we have. I think anabolic would be great, aesthetic, all those other programs are good, as long as you just remember to cycle back through something like performance and symmetry. So someone like you that's in that positional time, I think should make sure that you're hitting performance at least once or twice a year because of what you're doing.

Lauren, what does your workout look like now? It's kind of like once or twice a week. And then maybe I'll just go biking once a week as well. Okay. Yeah, that's, that works perfect. Just, just, just pick one of the performance days or two, depending on what you well. Okay. Yeah, that works perfect. Just pick one of the performance days, or two, depending on what you train. Yeah, so when you get performance,

there's gonna be foundational workouts. You could pick one or two of them. So if you do two, that's fine. And then the mobility sessions are gonna be so great for you. Yes, yeah, don't skip those. Yeah, and I would do those on the days that you massage. So do like a mobility session before you go into work or before you,

you do your DJing, uh, where to be standing. Or before you go biking on the weekend, something like that. So just make that a part of your, your routine, at least a couple times a week. How many people do you work on when you're doing a massage in a day? Um, minimum four up to six. Wow. That's a lot. Do you have a break in between them or is it back-to-back?

For six I put a break in but for four I just go back to back if you have a break Take those mobility sessions from performance pick a couple movements in there that feel really good and do them in between To prevent because what happens when you start to fatigue is the CNS starts to try to increase stability by keeping some muscles tight, but over time they start to feel fatigued and pain. And so mobility just tells the CNS it could chill out a little bit, can relax, we can move through these ranges of motion, and it can really remedy some of those kind of overuse fatigue fatigue, uh, based injuries that we get, uh, from doing the same thing over and over again.

Even if it's just one or two movements that you pick to interrupt between these sessions, it would be great. Like, so even though we've, we programmed the mobility days out for you, you know, use, uh, you know, you have the freedom to pick what ones you feel give you the most relief. So like a, like a guess for me would be like 90 90s or lizard with rotation is probably going to feel really good for you after standing still like that. And so if you notice that as you go through these mobility workouts and exercises that we've implemented in there and you recognize that, oh wow,

when I do this one, it just, I feel so much better. It opens me up. I notice I don't have the pain when I do it. Make that a part of your lifestyle as much as you can, because something like that. It's not like you have to do it at a certain time. You can do as much of that as we can, especially when you notice it's giving you relief. So find what those couple movements are that you really love and just make it a practice and part of your life. Do you have maps, performance or symmetry?

Um, I think I have performance. Okay. We'll send you symmetry then. So you'll have, you'll have both of them. Thank you. All right. No problem. All right, Lauren.

Um, may I ask a question? Of course. Yep. Um, you were talking about, Sal, I think about hand strength or wrist or hand strength, are you talking about like doing more carries or? No. So that's part of the hand strength, but what you want for what you do is you want to be able to move through lots of different ranges of motion and articulate

your fingers, uh, so that you don't start to develop, because what tends to be common is people will start to develop, because what tends to be common is people will start to develop elbow pain at the insertions of where their forearm flexors and extenders are. So a really good thing you can do, really good movement you can do, and this is for anybody, is you can get yourself a bucket,

you can fill it with rice, you stick your hand in the rice, and then you open your fingers, you close your fingers, you rotate your wrists, and just through the resistance of the rice. Squeeze the rice and then you open your fingers, you close your fingers, you rotate your wrists, and just through the resistance of the rice. Squeeze the rice and make a fist. Yeah, move your hand through all the ranges of motion

you can think of, and then when you feel fatigued, you stop. That's a great way to strengthen and reinforce and prevent some of those overuse injuries. Okay, that sounds cool. Yeah, yeah, it's really overuse injuries. Okay. That sounds cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's really easy to.

Yeah. May I also ask, um, how did Katrina manage being a massage therapist? Uh, I mean, she did it most of her life, right? So her family started the first school over here in the Bay area. And so everybody in her family, her sister, her brother, her mother, her have been massaging her entire life. One of the things that she always would teach or talk to me about, because I was always fascinated,

like how could you go hours and not get fatigued when I could barely rub you for an hour and feel like I'm done? And she just taught, she would always talk to me about the importance of leverage, is knowing how to leverage your body and position it. And there's just a real skill and art to that. The more experienced you are, the more you know how to use like your body weight and angles versus like trying

to muscle your way through massaging, which is what all of us, you know, non massage people do. Like when I go to massage someone, I think I'm doing it all in my hands. And really it's amazing to me how she can just position her elbow or the hard part of her hand or palm and just kind of lean into me and just give me the pressure to give me that relief, but without even feeling like she's working. And so, yeah, I think there's an art and skill to that. And as you continue to do it, you'll get better and better at that. But, uh, you know,

maybe learning from somebody who you are around that has that skill on how to do that. I don't, you know what I'm saying? Like, but I know for sure she's got that because I have no idea how you guys can do that for six plus hours in a day and be okay. Yeah. So good biomechanics. Yes. Yup. Yup. Okay. Thank you. All right, Lauren. Thanks for calling in Yep. Yep. Okay. Thank you. All right, Lauren. Thanks for calling in. Thank you.

Okay. Take care. You got it. All right. People don't real. I did not know. I mean, if you think about it, it makes sense, right? I didn't know how, uh, physically challenging on the body.

Massages, if you're a massage therapist, like their injury rates through the roof. If they don't learn incredible technique. Like you really gotta learn like incredible technique and leverage. Otherwise you're just, same thing, I'll rub my wife's shoulders. And after 30 minutes I'm like. You're done.

Yeah, you're toast. You're just misusing all your energy. I mean of course though, right? Like anything else, there's an art skill to it. And you know, some of the best ones at it have the ability to apply those pressure, the pressure that's needed to give that client to relief without a lot of, you know, physical labor on their part. Yeah. Our next caller is Gage from South Carolina.

Gage, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, Hey guys. Nice to see you again. I just want to say I may not the Olympia. It was a pleasure to meet y'all a couple of months back. Um, you actually had my girlfriend on a couple of weeks ago about asking about a running question. So we really love your content. She introduced me a couple of years ago. Just want to say thank you for everything y'all do. Um, get right into it so I'm a competitive arm wrestler I compete at a professional level and right now my training consists of rotating maps and a ball like it maps aesthetic and on your trigger and focus

session days I like to either practice the sport or do more like arm wrestling style lift, which ends up just being a bunch of like back and bicep and I had back grips and stuff like that. And I was wondering if y'all could help me figure something out. Like I see a lot of high level top top guys doing like quote unquote arm wrestling lifts such as like heavy one arm, you know dumbbell curls but in like a short range of motion or like heavy cheat curls or something like that and I was wondering if you saw any you know benefit to doing a shorter range of motion but like really heavy stuff and something like

that and then my second part of the question was, do you guys see any benefit from me running performance and strong or something like that? Yeah, yes, I think so. Shortened range of motion exercises, strength training exercises have a lot of value when it comes to sports specific applications. So for example, you see like high level basketball players now

We're not talking about kids growing up where you're trying to train and build develop the whole body You know, I'm talking about at this point college. You've been training for a while, you know Half squats and quarter squats have a lot of carryover Then more so than like full squats for example. So yeah, absolutely, you know in arm wrestling Isometric training so heavy isometric training in that arm wrestling position or shortened range of motion, kind of preacher curls with a dumbbell or preacher hammer curls with a dumbbell is excellent

for what we're trying to do. Now, what you don't wanna do is add that volume to the current volume you're doing. You wanna make sure that you account for the extra volume of adding those exercises so that you don't just over train over train your body so that's the one thing I would I would consider yeah when doing that and by the way you mentioned other programs I'll tell you a program I think that you would love that would have a lot of carryover believe it or not would be old

time I was thinking the same thing the Old time strength, you'll develop incredible grip, arm, strength and shoulder stability. Shoulder stability, yeah. Yeah, dude. I mean, it's funny, we had one of our editors follow the program and a strong kid, and up until that point, he was unable to pull 500 pounds off the floor without using wrist straps,

followed strong, went back to doing a deadlift, and he's like, I pulled it off the floor without using wrist straps, followed, um, strong, went back to doing a deadlift and he's like, I pulled it off the ground with no problem. My hands were able to hold on. Just the single arm deadlifts and then overhead, uh, with the barbell holds and things like that. Um, it's going to challenge. You mean old timey, right? Old timey. Old time strength. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Old timey is what I was thinking too. Yeah. My whole time strength. That's awesome. Yeah. I must be behind because I'm only on episode like probably I think it was like

1746 or something like that. So I'm a little behind us. So I haven't heard about that program. Yeah. We'll, we'll send it over to you gauge. We'll send it over to you. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You'll be set with that, but I love gauge. I'll tell you what I love isometrics for, for arm wrestlers. That is, uh, I mean, you know, this, you're, you're a pro. Like if you can hold your position and maintain, you know, that, and, and, and not give up leverage, uh, it's going to, it's going to put you into the category and isometric training is excellent. And the beauty of isometric training is

it doesn't really hammer your body as much as full range of motion training. So you could practice heavy isometrics even on off days. And you know, just kind of be careful over doing the intensity, but you should be able to be okay with that. It just gets stronger. One of the exercises you may find in old time

that I think would be amazing is a bottoms up kettlebell hold. Just because too, now you have like that weight that's like pulling you left to right and you have to be able to stabilize an isometric position and then too, you can press it which challenges it even further. But go real heavy with that.

Man, that's gonna be something else. Yeah, totally. No, that sounds like some awesome stuff. Thank you guys. I had no idea. So you said I could like, how many days of training is that program specifically? Is it two or three days? Old time is three days. Like the whole, like the whole. Yeah. The whole thing's three days a week.

It's a long program. Yeah. So yeah, we kind of like, yeah, you develop a lot of skill with unconventional lifts. You're building, it's programming based off of the bronze era strength athletes like Eugene Sandow, for example. So you're gonna do stuff in there you've never done before. But for the kind of strength that you need for your sport, I mean, it's the most arm wrestling workout program

that we have, I would say. OK, and then there's no isometrics. I just need to add that into the off days, right? You can add that on the off days. Of course, be careful with the volume. But I like isometrics on off days. Absolutely. That's the only thing that I was going to add and caution you

is just be careful not to add too much volume to where we go the opposite direction and that's gonna be based on how you feel. So if you, if the works, the workouts, the foundational things are pretty taxing, be careful on how much you add. You might be better off finding an exercise or two inside the program and pulling it out and then replacing it with some isometric exercise in there but really have to go after you feel. Are you in our forum? I'm actually not in the forum. So let me have Doug put you in our forum also.

And then as you're going through the program, I'd love to hear your feedback. I'd love to hear how it's going. And then we can add, take away things that you're going through. So just keep us posted, check in with us. I don't know, once a month, as you're going through the program, and the guys and with us I don't know once a month as you're going through the program and the guys and I

will take a look at how things are going for you and if we think you should add something we will awesome thank you man I just want to say I got a competition out and I'm Las Vegas this weekend so after I get done with that I will start that program and get ready for my next event all right man good luck like you did thank you I appreciate you. Thank you. You got it. Good one.

If you were to go on my Facebook has reels, too, you know? And so if you were to look at my reels, one of the things that is in the algorithm consistently is arm wrestling. Because you watch arm wrestling videos. I love it. I think it's so awesome. You know, could you see?

I was trying to figure out how I would do some cool isometric stuff, taking a cable, a free motion, really, really heavy, and then holding in that position or even doing- Yeah, or a really heavy band that you're grabbing. Yeah, and doing something like, I mean- Another really classic way would be you take a heavy ass dumbbell.

You know how the preacher bench, you've ever seen a preacher bench where one side is angled but one side is straight up and down almost? You lean over the side that's up and down, you hold the heavy ass dumbbell with two hands, get in position, then let go. And just hold it in position. That's a really, really good,

you see a lot of arm wrestlers do. Yeah, you see a lot of arm wrestlers do movements like that where they're just supporting away for X amount of period of time. But you'll see these these like I said I watched these reels and their isometric strength is oh yeah like they'll go against something the guy's just pulling on and pulling on them they'll just hold that position and then when they feel the other person fatigued and they'll they'll go for their move. I've actually never trained a client that that did

this profession I'm trying to think of some of the stuff right now to be creative what are some like internal, I would think that explosive internal rotation would be something that would be valuable to them, or is it more of a grinding? You actually wanna minimize humoral rotation. You want your arm, you want your wrist, you wanna be able to lock in a position and you wanna follow your body.

You wanna stay as tight as hell. Oh, interesting. Use leverage in your body. So you don't want to be. You do want that, but it's the body that's moving. Gotta get the lat really in there. And the shoulder and everything moves with the hand ideally. The further your hand gets away from your body, the more you're screwed.

And you're not trying to beat someone with internal rotation like that. There's no leverage there. You want to stay tight. Torso. Yeah, you want to stay tight and move. Oh, okay, interesting. So yeah, no, see see I'd be all bad there

I'd be trying to yeah, but I mean I got slaughtered when I did that. I realized that arm was too far out Yeah, and then you see these guys champion guys. There's these dudes It's like a lot of how these like just just massive hands. Yeah, just genetically Yeah, it's trying to grab their hands. I knock you out. Yeah, just the leverage is insane Look if you like mind pump head over to mindpumpfree.com, check out our Hard Gainer Guide. We have a guide for hard gainers that will help you pack on muscle. It's at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on social media. Justin is at, on Instagram at mindpump. Justin, I'm on Instagram at mindpumpdeStefano and Adam

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