Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2311: How Poor Gut Health May Be Ruining Your Gains, the Fastest Way to Rehab a Shoulder, Ways to Overcome Sciatica Pain & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:42 choose to do it. I wanted to talk about this because I want to talk about this because. You can overdo it. My own personal, uh, experience with this. Uh, I've been on both sides of this and more, more recently, I'm really trying to self reflect on my relationship with extra. I told you guys, I took most last week off, right? From working out. Precisely because it's such a challenge for me not to work out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:10 So I thought a lot about this and you know, we run into people like this all time in our space, personal trainers, people who work in the fitness industry. Where, you know, you look at the data, right? You look at the data and exercise is like a powerful antidepressant. It's so good for health, uh, you know, prevents chronic disease. Like one of the best things you could do for yourself, period, end of story.

Starting point is 00:03:30 But we know so many people in our space where that's not true, where they obsess about it to the point where it makes them sick. It makes them, they develop hormone imbalances. They, they, they develop body image issues. It's no longer healthy anymore. If anything, they're taking their life away. They're actually hurting themselves through fitness. And this is an important thing to consider when you're pursuing fitness.

Starting point is 00:03:57 By the way, if you do it the wrong way, you also could just stop. That's the other thing that happens from doing this the wrong way, where you just don't want to do it anymore. This is what happens to most people, but there's a small segment of the population when they pursue fitness the wrong way, not only do they not stop, but they go about it so hard

Starting point is 00:04:14 and so inappropriately and so dysfunctionally that they actually cause themselves lots of issues. I've worked with clients where this was the case where they developed bone loss as a result, hormone issues, terrible dysfunction. I've been, like I said, on that side of the track. So it's an important conversation. Would you say like, I guess the majority of clients that you've experienced with that

Starting point is 00:04:39 mentality came from a place of addiction already? came from a place of addiction already? That is a big one, absolutely. The other part of it is they're fueled by their insecurity to the point where they become blind to the negative effects of this. I was just recently talking to someone, I'm not gonna say too much because I don't want them to feel called out,

Starting point is 00:05:01 but this individual, I've talked to you before several times, went to the doctor because they were feeling terrible. They weren't feeling good. And this is a person who doesn't miss workouts, right? Does the perfect diet, all that stuff. And their blood results came back and the doctor's like, your CK levels are so high that you literally need to stop right now.

Starting point is 00:05:20 And you're in danger of needing us to help filter your kidneys out because this is so much damage. And you're in danger of needing us to help filter your kidneys out because this is so much damage. And I've talked to this individual before, so I was a little bit more blunt this time in saying, Hey, look, this is dysfunctional relationship. You're harming yourself and you kind of, you know, reevaluate what's going on, you know?

Starting point is 00:05:40 But, you know, in our space, this is such a common thing and the reason why I think it's important to But in our space, this is such a common thing. And the reason why I think it's important to talk about isn't necessarily to talk to those people, although I hope they're listening, but rather to talk to the average person who then glorifies those people. So that's where my question was gonna come from is,

Starting point is 00:06:02 what do you tell that person to be aware of that themselves? Like, coming from a place that you admit that you have gone through this yourself, you've worked with people that have, what are some of the signs that this really healthy behavior has now dipped into an unhealthy behavior? Like, what should they be looking out for? I think we know the obvious ones, right?

Starting point is 00:06:25 Like you go to the doctor and you get told that your hormone levels are off or you're just running yourself on the ground. I think that's pretty obvious. But I think where this gets really difficult is when people are in the midst of really making physical, body composition change, right? And people are complimenting them like,

Starting point is 00:06:43 oh my God, you look so good. You know, and then they're in the thick of the seven days a week, carrying the Tupperware around, and then they're being told how good they look. Like, that's a real hard time to potentially reflect and go like, hmm, maybe this isn't good for me, or maybe I'm doing too much of this.

Starting point is 00:06:59 Like, how do I evaluate my relationship? It's so tough. I think one of them is you are ignoring your body, telling you that you're stiff, sore, injured, tired. The other one is that you skip other healthy, joyful things in life to pursue your workout. So it's like, oh, my kids, you know, baseball game is at that time, but I gotta work out.

Starting point is 00:07:22 Or yeah, I'm not gonna go do that thing with family members or have that date with my wife type of deal. Or you go out and you're trying to have a meaningful time with someone and you're overly worried about the food that's in front of you. And you're worried about, oh my God, I'm going to go to this restaurant.

Starting point is 00:07:37 How do I plan out what I'm going to eat? How do I bring the perfect, you know what? I'm not even going to go out. I'm not even going to go anywhere because of all the stress and anxiety it's causing, uh, there's another one. And then the other one is just if, if you have people that you trust and love around you, and that's important by the way. Okay.

Starting point is 00:07:53 So there's gotta be, it has to be somebody you really trust. Like if, like you're, you're right or die person. If they tell you, you're probably a little obsessed as hard as it would be to, to accept it. I think if you really do believe this person's got your best intentions, maybe consider that there might be some truth, um, and what those say and what they're saying. And then lastly, does the anxiety and stress of missing a workout or not being on the perfect

Starting point is 00:08:20 diet for a day or something, does that cause you more stress and anxiety than you think might be normal? That's the other one. That's me, that's what happens to me, for sure. It's like when I know I'm gonna miss a workout, like it was, it's embarrassing to say, but I missed three days, three days.

Starting point is 00:08:38 And three days I was like a drug addict. I was like, oh, how do I distract myself? What's going on? It's gonna get itchy. Yeah. Well, what's tough is if you notice too, it starts to put you in a bad mood. You know what I'm saying? Like now you're short in a bad mood. You know, you should, you shouldn't,

Starting point is 00:08:52 you should be able to not work out for a week and not change. Totally. Cause, cause technically you're healthy. You're still just as healthy as you were the week before. My body needed the time. In fact, it was healthy. I went back to the week before. My body needed the time. In fact, it was healthy.

Starting point is 00:09:06 I went back to the gym today, felt amazing. It was just confirmation. Like, yeah, I should probably take some time off if it was still out, you know? It's so, yeah, it's tough because it's easy to see it from the outside, you know, and to break through and to kind of get that person's attention is a really difficult thing,

Starting point is 00:09:22 conversation to have. Like, it's like having a conversation with a workaholic that's like holding all their effort, all of their, you know, myopic focus into being successful and it's paying off for them, which is this is the other misconception to that, which we talk about. It's like that actually pays off in terms of like

Starting point is 00:09:39 their sacrifice. Initially it pays off with your sacrifice with your body, but it gets past that threshold where now it's like actually detrimental to your health, which is like that this is a part that doesn't really get discussed a lot with exercising and fitness in general. I think one of the good ways to peer into it is the same way that you would operating and running a good business. And that is to really define your why and check back in with that. Like, why do you work out?

Starting point is 00:10:09 And if you say that your why of working out is, so I can be healthy and play with my kids and be mobile and not have pain and go, okay well. But none of that's happening. Right. And then you go, well how much of that is really happening? And is seven days a week and hitting PRs, is it really serving that?

Starting point is 00:10:29 Is that really serving those goals that you say? So to me, I think that- Your full relationships? Yeah, so I think that's, because I've been thinking about this a lot too. I brought it up on the podcast not that long ago, like trying to evaluate my own balance of what that looks like.

Starting point is 00:10:44 And then, so you have to ask yourself, well, why am I doing all these things? to evaluate my own balance of what that looks like. And then, so you have to ask yourself, well, why am I doing all these things? And if you say, now, then you have to then unpack that and go like, okay, well, are my current behaviors around this exercise aligning with what I claim my why is? I claim it's for all these things, but it's like, well, is it really if I sacrifice going to do those things because I didn't want to miss a workout or is me stretching my capacity, is it serving those things or is it hindering those things and taking away? So yeah, I think much like operating a good business and revisiting like, why did we start

Starting point is 00:11:21 this? What was the main purpose of it? Because you can get distracted by all the things, you get distracted by the success and all the opportunity and stuff like that, and you get so sucked in it, you forget, oh shit, that's not why we built this, we didn't build it for those reasons.

Starting point is 00:11:35 So I kind of feel like that's it. I like what you're saying, and I think you would have to probably write it out, because that would force you, right? To actually, to think about it, it's easy to get distracted or kind of twist where that goes. But if you write it down and look at it, it's hard to not be objective, right?

Starting point is 00:11:51 Because then if you're writing it out and you're like, well why do I do this? It's like, you know, I want to be healthy. It's like, am I healthier right now? Maybe not, you know? I want to be less stiff. I'm actually more stiff right now. I probably should take some time off, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:04 type of deal. You're right. And just, it's just, it can easily turn into it's, you know what it is? It's this incredibly powerful and valuable tool, um, is all, is really all it is. It is not life, right? Life is not fitness, but fitness can be used if you do it right to really dramatically improve your quality of life. I mean, I don't need to make that argument. That's a fact, a hundred percent. Across the board, it'll impact everything positively if you do it the right way. But like any tool that's powerful,

Starting point is 00:12:34 how you wield it is everything. Think of any powerful tool. If I wield it the wrong way, it could cause just as much damage as it can, you know, with benefits. And now for the personal listening who doesn't have this issue, personal listening who just has the challenge of actually being consistent. So maybe this isn't resonating. You're like, well, I can't even string. This is by the way, the reason why I have the hardest time with this conversation. Yes. Because I understand why I need to have it for myself and many of my other peers that, you know, found this profession because they had some sort of deep rooted insecurity around body image or whatever. So I understand that, but I also recognize there's a majority of these people

Starting point is 00:13:18 that fall into that category. They're having struggle just being consistent. Yeah. And I don't want to send them the wrong message. Right. So to them, I'll say here's the value in what I don't want to send them the wrong message. Right. So to them, I'll say, here's the value in what I'm talking about. There's two of these. One is it'll continue as you develop this relationship with fitness, continue to check in with yourself about why you're doing this, because it's also a path towards consistency.

Starting point is 00:13:40 What I'm saying, if you stay away from that and do this the right way, then you'll actually find the right path toward consistency. The only path I've ever found to work for the average person is the path towards, is the path of doing this right. Doing this to care for myself. I'm doing this to nourish my body. I'm doing this because I deserve to be cared for and to improve the quality of my life. That's the path towards consistency.

Starting point is 00:14:01 But the other part is because if you use social media as a way to consume information around fitness, it will help. It's almost like a truth filter. Look through the filter of what I'm talking about at the people you admire the most. If you're looking at this fitness influencer or this person that you're like, yeah you know I like their information and then as you hear my words you're looking at them and going, Oh, wait a minute. This actually looks like somebody that might be having a dysfunctional relationship with fitness. Well, now you could take their information and take some of it and dispel some of it.

Starting point is 00:14:36 You know, take some of it and throw some of it away. Like, okay. Now I can see that everything they're saying isn't necessarily true. And I'm going to tell you this. The truth is, unfortunately, the majority of the popular fitness media experts out there are not the type of healthy people that we're trying to talk about. They are actually the dysfunctional type.

Starting point is 00:14:58 And so if you follow their path, they'll lead you the wrong way. And so that's where the value is with all that. Anyway, good stuff. So I got some gross news for you guys. Gross news? Gross. I don't know if it'll help you guys out, but I'm gonna talk about it

Starting point is 00:15:12 because it might help some people out. So I recently discovered that, so I have gut issues that go on and off, right? And I was struggling with them. I did some treatment for Parasite. Yeah. Yeah. It worked.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Really? Yeah. Tapeworm. Really? No, you didn't have a tapeworm. You liar. Yes. Really? Yes.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Like, okay. Tell me the process of like how it came out, dude. And I say this because I know you're having gut issues. Bro, it's not as uncommon as you think. It is not as uncommon. Yeah, dude. I did a treatment having gut issues. Bro, it's not as uncommon as you think. It is not as uncommon. Yeah, dude, I did a treatment for tapeworm. It was one tablet, that's it, you take it once. And within two days, dramatic improvement in gut health.

Starting point is 00:15:57 And now I'm like, bro, I swear to God. I'm pretty much normal. Did you throw up a worm? No no nothing cool. No, I think you just poop it out and I'm too afraid to look Come on man, I'd be like you want to get in there you want to see that one's confirmation. Yeah Feel better. That's all I need Bastards I feel better, that's all I need. I don't wanna see nothing like that, dude. Little bastards. Where do you get the pill? What is it? Is it not prescribed?

Starting point is 00:16:28 Yeah, it's prescription. Oh, you get it prescribed. Yeah, so you do a poop test, and then they can see if you have any parasites. Oh, so you, I didn't know you did that. I didn't know you did it. So, and it's not as, thank you, whoever brought up those pictures.

Starting point is 00:16:46 That's disgusting. So yeah, cause that's so gross depending on how long it's there. Like, well, I'm going to tell you, bro, with all the supplements and shit I take, I must've had a strong ass. I'm sure this was like a bodybuilder tapeworm, bro. All the supplements and protein. Even more reasonable. I just, he was just like, ah, you know. Just had to poison that fucker again.

Starting point is 00:17:06 Tearing down, dang. Wow, so how common? You were starting to say how common? Parasites in general are relatively common, even in developed nations. Yeah. So common, you know, if you play out in the dirt a lot, you have pets, if you eat uncooked food, sushi, if you eat a lot of sushi,

Starting point is 00:17:28 then the odds are much higher that you probably have. You said that to me, and that makes me want to know. I know. What was it, the South, that hookworm was like a, yeah. And then you know what really is common? Pinworm is really common with kids. Little kids, especially if you have to go to daycare and stuff, super common.

Starting point is 00:17:42 What's pinworm? Tiny little parasites that kids will get. And it's actually relatively common. You can get that over the counter, the treatment. Now what are some of the symptoms? Yeah, symptoms of a tapeworm. Lethargy, nutrient deficiencies. Fat face.

Starting point is 00:18:00 There you go, fat face. Fat face. Your face isn't as fat these days, bro. Yeah. Today I did a video on my Instagram today. Operation Skinny Face. Yeah, you got it. That's what we're gonna call this.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Hey, you're gonna have to get to like 1% body fat, bro. Yeah, I am gonna have to get to it. That's your stubborn body fat. It is. It is. Hey, it's working as we get older. Yeah. Your face is like,

Starting point is 00:18:21 you look so young. Yeah, when I'm 90, it's gonna be great, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna be so great. I had fat cheeks I was a kid I'll never have to do those fillers, right? Yeah. No, so you know, it's funny is that that parasites will actually hide So when you try to do like herbal treatments and stuff, they start to whatever. Yeah, I've been treating like they can hide under biofilms like bacteria Yeah, and not get touched hibernate shit and then come out when, I know, dude. Bro, they co-evolved with humans.

Starting point is 00:18:50 You know what I'm saying? They've been here forever. It's a problem, dude. I know, so. You know, that makes me mad, but also it would be great. That would be like something, oh, good, like that's a tangible thing. It's an answer.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Yes, exactly. Because it's been so mysterious, and like, I'll get some success, and then I'll regress. That's how I was. And then it's like Exactly. Because it's been so mysterious. And I'll get some success. And then I'll regress. That's how I was. And it's like, ugh. It's frustrating, man. All the stuff I was trying to do on my own

Starting point is 00:19:11 before getting tested, because I'm a pain in the ass. When it comes to doctors, I just don't let it. I just, I'll fix it myself. Right? That's me. So what I was doing was kind of like a band-aid. Sal MD. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:19:24 I was just, I was band-aiding it the whole time. Sal MD. Yeah, I know, dude. I was just, I was bandaid again the whole time, but it turned out that I had to treat the actual, you know, terrible patient. My daughter kept telling me. What did you guys all do this weekend? Were you guys away at families, have family over? I know John Wick was up north. Bro, why is Doug, why is Doug a crime fighter at night?

Starting point is 00:19:42 Yeah, he's got all the silencers. Why is he doing this? Doug doesn't fuck around. What was the motivation for the silencer? That's what I wanna know, is it just crime fighter at night? He's got all the silencers. Why is he that? Doug doesn't fuck around. What was the motivation for the silencer? That's what I wanna know. Is it just cause it's cool? Just cool. That's it, nothing more.

Starting point is 00:19:51 It is cool. I think it's cool. Does it make a big difference? It makes a massive difference. Oh, wow. Except I was saying, the one for the AR, you shoot it and there's so much of the, I don't know if it's gases that are coming off.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Is that from the silencer? Yes. Oh. So it's getting kicked back into your face and it smells horrible. Oh. It doesn't smell healthy either. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:13 So. Maybe practice shooting it like this. Toxic. Yeah, yeah. On your hip. That's how you're supposed to, right? And that way. So they did it in Predator with the minigun.

Starting point is 00:20:21 Yeah, so, oh, that's what you were talking about. It was the silencer that was talking about. Yeah, so you'll see it when you get done shooting. There's like vapors and gases and smoke coming from it because it gets hot. Right. But it blasts it back into your face. And it's really very like,

Starting point is 00:20:37 it feels like one of those ammonia things that you smell. Oh, like lifting? Yeah, it's kind of like that. Like lifting ammonia? I think it's doing something to your brain cells. I have to say though, I'm not a fan of the this kind of square looking Silencer like I like I like more of the the round look. Oh, okay. Yeah, you want to look cool when you're sniping some We're buying it to be cool anyways

Starting point is 00:21:02 Down at the range so silencers like the electric cars of guns, right? Yeah, yeah. Psst, psst, psst. Yeah. So you have one on your handgun, and you have one on your AR, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:21:17 Now do you have to replace it every once in a while? Is it always good? As far as I know, they're good forever. You just gotta clean it. You just gotta clean it. Did you go long range with your long gun? I mean, I was in a range, I think. I can't remember the furthest you can shoot.

Starting point is 00:21:30 70 feet or so? I'm not sure. Not so far. Super accurate is what I heard. Well, it is. However, I think it has to be, my sight needs to be calibrated because apparently the silencer may have affected the,

Starting point is 00:21:42 oh, I don't know enough about it. Have you guys ever read about like the longest shot ever made in the military or something? It was like a sniper that shot someone like miles away. Have you ever heard of that? I've heard of that. I mean, yeah, no, I've noticed, I know it's like the record's crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:58 Yeah, I don't know, maybe you can find it, Doug. There's so many factors that count for it, right? Bro, they have to account for the wind, the rotation of the earth, like earth. Yeah, like, like ridiculous, like calculations. Apparently like you, the bullet hits you and then you hear the gunshot. So if you're with your, you know, his buddy next to him, the terrorists are saying now, right?

Starting point is 00:22:18 And your body goes down. What? And then you go, Oh shit. Who knows? What happens? Dang. What's the record? So it's shit, you know. Yeah, what happens? Dang. What's the record? So it's 3,800 meters.

Starting point is 00:22:29 So that's over a mile. But we don't know metrics unless we're talking drugs. Yeah, so that's 4,156 yards, so multiply that by three, that's over 12,000 feet. It's about 1.2 miles. Yeah. Wow. That's, is that?

Starting point is 00:22:42 It's about almost two miles, isn't it? Isn't one mile 5 mile five thousand I forget that Google I don't understand what you guys you have the most powerful computer we like to challenge ourselves with that's almost two miles away that is that is I mean even just a mile is crazy that's yes five thousand two hundred eighty feet per mile so it is a couple of miles. Wow. That sucks for whoever that was. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:08 You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. A really good shot. Was it a competition, or was that? No. It was a Ukrainian sniper. Oh, so that was actually a recorded kill. This was very recent.

Starting point is 00:23:16 It was in 2023. Oh. Oh, that was the most. So here's the deal. You're in war. How do they confirm that? I know. That's it.

Starting point is 00:23:23 You know what I mean? Oh, look. Get out the tape measure. No, of course they can. They have a spotter. Someone who shoots someone a mile away has got a guy right next to him who's going like telling him the distance, the wind, and everything.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Oh, that's true, huh? So that's tracked 100%. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to. Yeah, that's not. I mean, I guess you have to take their word for it, but I mean, I don't know why you lie. Yeah, there's just been some propaganda.

Starting point is 00:23:42 Yeah. That's all. Yeah. What was the ghost? There could be. What was the, they promoted it in the beginning of some propaganda. Yeah, that's all. Was the ghost? It could be. Was they promoted in the beginning of the war? Yeah. Yeah, there was some interesting propaganda.

Starting point is 00:23:51 You don't think you'd be tempted, like you're in the middle of a propaganda war or whatever, and like, hey, tell everybody. Yeah. Let's go just to shut a guy five miles away. Well, I'm sure somebody would be tempted, but I imagine there's somebody who's supposed to like. Of course.

Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, regulate that shit, right? Of course. You can't say that, dude. Can't be like North Korea where he was like golfing and got like a hole in one. Every time. Every single hole. Like, oh yeah, yeah, he's just a natural.

Starting point is 00:24:15 That's all real though. He's actually, that's a, hey, so I just read a crazy article. So here's how you know something is taking the world by storm, you know, the Western world, I'll say, by storm. So, Ozempic, blowing up all over the place. Have you guys heard of Oat-Zempic? I saw an article, I thought that was just clickbait,

Starting point is 00:24:36 weird, like, what is that? Probably a smart supplement company that are- No, no, TikTokers is a, okay, so TikTokers made a drink. Of course it's on TikTok. No, Tik Tokers is a, okay, so Tik Tokers made a drink. Immediately I roll. Of course it's on Tik Tok. Right. It's a drink made from oats, water, and lime juice. And they're saying that it's as powerful as Ozempic

Starting point is 00:24:54 at killing your appetite. Fat chance of that. So they're naming it Oat Zempic. How, first of all, smart is that name. Yeah. But second, just goes to show- How big and popular that's been. Yes, dude, because it's, people are- Now other side trends are happening from it. that name. But second, just goes to show- How big and popular that's been.

Starting point is 00:25:05 Yes, dude, because people are- Now other side trends are happening from it. I mean, so I'll predict this, like, wait till all the supplement companies make a, you know, over-the-counter type of basic product that is supposed to- Oh my God. It pairs with the- 100%- You know what I just thought about? So because of your experience and other people's experience, so I think for people who are really obese, it could be a godsend, but I think if you're not

Starting point is 00:25:29 that obese, it might be an issue because, like you were saying, it's hard for you to eat. Very hard. Like you don't even want to eat. Very hard. At all. Yeah, it's wild. It's a trip.

Starting point is 00:25:38 Like you can just eat 500 calories a day. Yeah, yeah, and comfortably. Comfortably. Not like fighting it like, oh, I'm trying to diet. Like, I don't have a desire for food. Yeah, it's, and obviously, so the audience knows too, I was off air, I was telling the guys that like, my intentions of doing this, I'm very aware

Starting point is 00:25:57 of the potential bad side effects that I'm gonna lose muscle along the way. I don't care, like I'm trying to be, I can go get it back, you know what I'm saying? I've been doing this a long time. I can go get off of it, add protein. You start looking like machinists. We're gonna intervene. Katrina's already like messing with me. She doesn't like it. You have to put on two sweaters before you hang out looking like this. Having sex with a parka.

Starting point is 00:26:20 Why are you wearing a parka? It's cold. Because it's cold. It's cause it's cold. Yeah, yeah. Just the noises. Yeah. Oh man, that's gonna get going too fast. Yeah, so you know, the plan is to just

Starting point is 00:26:38 ride it out and see what happens. Initially, like the conversation I had with you last time, you know, I'm also trying to reflect on some of maybe the eating patterns and behaviors that I've created for myself over the years. And let's see if it erases that or changes that. And let's see how my health is, say, in a month or two,

Starting point is 00:26:56 and then eventually come off of it. But I really want to resist. Obviously, if I wanted to sell it, I would be disciplined about hitting my protein intake every single day and like show everybody like, check this out, I took this. Okay, so let me repackage what you're saying. What you don't wanna do is show everybody

Starting point is 00:27:15 what a IFBB Pro Physique competitor can do by using a Zempig. You wanna show what probably would happen with the average person. Yes, 100%. Because of course it would be, for someone who's trying to lean out, period, it's gonna be a massive advantage.

Starting point is 00:27:32 One of the most difficult things, of course, during competing was the discipline of resisting the temptation to wanna eat. I mean, because you're gonna be hungry, that's just part of the game. If you're in a caloric deficit for an extended period of time, you're going to have bouts of hunger

Starting point is 00:27:48 and cravings and all those things. And that is the part that it crushes. I mean, it just hasn't been there. Have you ever experienced anything like this? Nothing, nothing even close. And I've tried every fat loss supplement that's been on the market and it's not like anything else. You said it reminded you.

Starting point is 00:28:03 Which is, by the way, why the way, I can tell now, why it's going crazy. You said it reminded you of when you were a teenage boy and you just didn't want to eat and you had to force feed yourself. So which is, again, back to my original point of, I'm gonna allow it to do this, take its course, and see if these things surface for me.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Like, oh wow, interesting that I'm challenged by that and let's see if it bothers me the same that it used to bother me as a kid. Because I, and this is what I remember as a kid of like who was trying to build muscle and get big. Like, I just did not have an appetite. And so I would be forcing myself. The difference now is I'm not, I'm gonna go with it

Starting point is 00:28:39 and just kind of allow and see where it takes me. What about like your drive and everything else though? So drive to get things done, like work and household stuff, that's all high. Lobito, all that stuff. Yeah, just, what'd you say? Lobito. Lobito's great.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Yeah, that's all that stuff is. Yeah, my libido's been great. I'm weak, I'm very weak in the gym. And now granted too, you have to take some of this with a grain of salt because I'm coming off of- You were also sick. Yeah, I had a flu bug. I'm fighting a little bit of a cold right now.

Starting point is 00:29:10 So again, I'm sharing with everybody my process. I'm not jumping to conclusions until I've been healthy, doing this for month, two months under my belt. Then I'll be a little, I think more certain about how I feel because that's a lot of inconsistency right there, just in those two things. You wanna hear a speculation that I have on the supplement? So, supplement industry watch, now I'm gonna say it, they're gonna do it.

Starting point is 00:29:33 So, there was a category of supplements that used to be very popular in the 80s and 90s, especially the 90s. It was actually one of the most popular category of supplements, and you rarely see this anymore. It's not really a very popular category anymore. But I bet products like these peptides, like semaglutide, terzepotide,

Starting point is 00:29:55 are gonna potentially bring it back. Weight gainers, could you see, serious, could you see, so like with Adam right now, he does not wanna eat. He does not wanna eat. Could you not see if you were like, oh shit, I don't wanna eat, but I also don't wanna go off of it, so I don't wanna, could you see the value now

Starting point is 00:30:11 in a calorie-dense shake that you would drink. The meal replacement shake? To offset, yes. Yeah, you made a point, didn't you speculate, like you could see like the competitors using it, and then I kinda said no eventually, but I can see now where it would be an advantage when you're in a cut.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Going super low cut. Yeah, yeah, like you stay off of it all prep and before prep, then some build, and so that, and it's like when you know it's time to really shred. But again, the challenge is gonna be is, especially for a competitor who's built their metabolism up,

Starting point is 00:30:42 I can't imagine if I had. God, this could be terrible, especially with female competitors who go so low. Yes, I could have. Oh no. If I would have ramped my metabolism up to say four or 5,000 calories a day, and then I'm like, I used to,

Starting point is 00:30:55 and then I'd get ready for a six week cut for the show, and then get on something like this, I would go from 4,000 to 1,000 or 1,500 calories. I mean, it would be too much. I would just lose muscle so fast, so fast. Maybe this is now, let's go conspiracy theory, Justin. Maybe this is how we reach that dystopian future where you get little meal cubes, you know?

Starting point is 00:31:20 Where they're like, here you go, this is a climate-friendly meal cube. You rehydrate it? Yeah, no, you rehydrate it. It's like you go. This is a climate friendly meal cube. You rehydrate it? Yeah, no, you know, rehydrate it. It's like you just eat your ration. The cube. And you're okay with it because you have zero appetite. So you're just like, yes.

Starting point is 00:31:31 Yeah. Climate friendly meal cube. Right, fuel. Fuel. Back to work. Well, Doug asked me a question too. My genitalia doesn't matter either. Whoa, that went far.

Starting point is 00:31:43 Doug asked me too. That's where we're going too if I've noticed a difference and I think I do, again, still early, I also was sick and so that makes a big difference so we'll see. Like food isn't as satisfying. Like it's not like when I eat. Like I just had.

Starting point is 00:32:00 You don't get the same hedonistic. Yes, exactly. Did you not have candy on Easter? None. What? Yes. Desserts everywhere. OK, that's not like you at all.

Starting point is 00:32:09 Nothing. No candy. It's all over. No jelly beans? Nothing. Not one. Not one jelly bean? Can't bear eggs?

Starting point is 00:32:17 Not one. Not one jelly bean, not one candy. Not we had. I ate hella jelly beans. We hosted, too. So I had pies and cakes and our house was full of stuff. And I didn't have none of it.

Starting point is 00:32:28 Wow, look at that. I did have a glass of bourbon, that's it. I'm a little worried now. Oh, is he, yeah? Yeah, I did have some alcohol, so that was it though. But that was just purely out of like social, like oh, I'm with family, everybody's, I'll have it. And I had some, I had one on ice while I was barbecuing.

Starting point is 00:32:45 Bro, I ate at least 1500 calories with the jelly beans. Hey, did nobody hear a funny story? This is bro, talk about like, just winning. Here's a dad win right here. So, you know that like we've now transitioned with Max not, like we don't police candy like we did when he was a kid. Now he understands what it is. You already set the stage.

Starting point is 00:33:07 So check this out. So of course my son, you know, sees his nana, sees his nana, sees my mom. So everybody got him an Easter basket. So he gets like five Easter baskets, you know? We go out and we see my mom's Easter basket and my mom's, I come from her, right? Sweet tooth, like so of course,

Starting point is 00:33:22 and she knows how I am about candy. And so she was like, you know, I made sure to put some coloring books and some other, like, so it wasn't all candy or whatever. And so he gets it. And we, you know, we were there at her household day and we get in the car, we're leaving. And Max goes, mama, where are all the toys?

Starting point is 00:33:38 How come? All I got is all this candy. You didn't even want it, dude. It was so awesome. I love this kid, dude. It was so great. Just and literally just took it all out of his. He didn't even give a shit, dude. Didn't even care. Didn't even care that we took that. Take the kid. And again, allowing him if he wanted to have it, it's Easter.

Starting point is 00:33:56 We don't do it a lot. So like that. But he was so disappointed that there wasn't more toys. We've trained him that we give them all toys. The dog ate half of Everett's candy. Oh no. He's throwing it all up. Oh. I was happy about it though. Both because the dog learned the lesson?

Starting point is 00:34:14 Yeah, exactly. Both of them. Yeah. Wow. Did you guys have family over? No. So Ethan actually is on the East Coast right now for the East Coast trip that they do at school.

Starting point is 00:34:23 Oh, yeah. And so he's getting to see all the sights and stuff. He's such a great kid, by the way. You raised such a good young man. Yeah, he's a good kid. It's one of those trips. I was like a little envious. I didn't get to do it when I was in high school. Our kids do way better shit than we do. Dude, so much better stuff. And it's great. I'm like, he sent me pictures of all the cool spots. I go to like Boston and all the way through like DC and like hit up all the historical stuff. Uh, but so he's, he's gone. And so it was just, you know, Everett and Courtney and I, and uh, so we just, it was low key.

Starting point is 00:34:55 We just went to my parents and then they left for, for Palm desert. But, um, uh, what was it? Uh, Thursday night or Friday night we went, Courtney and I just decided to do like a date night and, uh, there was this like stupid, it was called yacht rock. You guys are, oh, did you go to that? Yeah. How was it? It was ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:35:15 Oh, so it was a good, I mean, it was like, if you're in the mood to, to, to listen to really lame music and like try and dance like a white person. You know? That's the only way I know how to dance. That's your spot. Yeah, and you put on a captain's hat. Oh, yeah. And there was a lot of people there, and they're like yacht attire.

Starting point is 00:35:34 And we were listening to like Christopher Cross and all these really soft rock stuff. I don't even know who that is, Christopher Cross. Oh, yeah. It's like all like kind of like It's popular kind of soft rock, you know, and I had a hard time figuring out a dance Dude it was like a bunch of Ned Flanders out. What was the age group? Was it was it old? Yeah Yeah, you were the young kid. We were the young ones Yeah, they're all did they did it the yacht go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would have rolled up and be like, what the fuck is this? You would have killed me. Never believed anything I had to offer you again.

Starting point is 00:36:27 Yeah, no, it was like, in this little club that's like downtown Felton, so it was like, yeah, it was a spectacle. It was good people watching. Good time with your wife, though? Yeah, good time. We had a great time. Oh yeah, that's all.

Starting point is 00:36:40 Yeah, hey, serious. We had a rock. I don't want to hear about you, but you just reminded me of something that I actually wanted to ask you guys I never heard of this. Did you know? in David Bowie did a bond

Starting point is 00:36:52 So you could buy and get seven and a half interest back in 1995 a David Bowie bond This is brilliant how this worked by the way The reason how this came up was from all in podcast, Jamal was sharing and comparing how Donald Trump's stock is like that. And he goes, I think we're going to see more and more of this in the future where people can invest in a personal brand in a sense, as an investment that this person's stock is going to go up. And that's what you're seeing with Donald Trump. And he said an example of that was back when Bowie- How does that work? You put your name on it, but it's investing in something.

Starting point is 00:37:26 So basically what happened with the bond with Bowie is that he, basically he tied it to like all of his greatest hits. And so if he didn't pay back the money, you now had ownership of those great greatest hits. But everybody made their money and he got, he gave everybody seven and a half percent back in the nineties. Wow. I didn't know you could do that. That's brilliant. Yeah, that's smart. Did you look it up, Doug?

Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah, it's right up there. Asset-backed securities of current and future revenue of the 25 albums that David Bowie recorded before 1990. Wow. Yeah. So that's how the bond worked was you invested in it. He was going to give you 7.5% returns, 7.5% on the money. But he got $55 million up front. So he got $55 million up and a half returns, seven and a half percent on the money, but he got 55 million up front.

Starting point is 00:38:06 So he got 55 million up front that he'd go take and do with it, the people who invested in it basically were gonna get residuals off of those songs over the next 10 years. Wow. And everybody got their seven and a half interest on it, he still got to go keep his songs and he got the 55 million dollars.

Starting point is 00:38:21 That's interesting, way ahead of his time. Here's a fun fact. Brilliant, right? Here's a fun fact, when Jessica was a teenager, she had a huge crush on David Bowie. Yeah. What the hell, babe? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:30 David Bowie. Mysterious. I mean, look at it, Labyrinth, dude. That's what she liked him when he was in Labyrinth. He had those crystal balls, dude. He was very, you know. I don't know what that says. Hypnotic.

Starting point is 00:38:40 You know what I mean? I don't know what that means or whatever. There's the androgyny back then was like different. There's a firehouse by our house that when you walk to the park to take the kids, she'll walk to the park. The firehouse sometimes will be open and then my son loves to go in there and look at the fire truck or whatever and firefighters come out and say hi or whatever.

Starting point is 00:38:58 So Jessica will text me and be like, oh we went to the firehouse again. I'm like, you know, it's like the third time. Again. Third time this week. That's kind of weird. Oh, she's like, oh they're all old. I'm like, you know, it's like the third time. Third time this week. That's kind of weird. Oh, she's like, oh, they're all old. I'm like, that doesn't mean anything, babe.

Starting point is 00:39:09 Look who you're married to. I think you like old guys, dude. I'm about to shot you this time to sign the calendar. Send me a picture next time of who these guys are. She's like, I got them all listed in your podcast. All right, that doesn't help, but whatever. Anyway. So what did you guys do?

Starting point is 00:39:23 We had Jessica's niece and nephew come stay with us. Love them. Love those kids to death. And so they were with us and we just did a bunch of cool, great family stuff, just connecting and playing with the kids and stuff. And Easter bunny brings my three-year-old. I just saw Jessica. She's the one that sets up the Easter basket stuff.

Starting point is 00:39:41 And I was surprised that she did this. I didn't, this is, doesn't seem like a gift that she would think is smart to give my three year old, she got him some Nerf guns and I'm like, Oh, this is going to be cool. Interesting. Cause he's going to blast people in the house and shoot all over the place or

Starting point is 00:39:56 whatever. So let's see what happens. Sure enough, that's what he's doing. He's yeah, he's shooting people and getting it taken away every five minutes. But yeah, we, we had a good time. Then we did the Easter egg hunt and my, my one year old actually understood the Easter egg hunt.

Starting point is 00:40:11 So she walked up, like I'd hold her hand. She'd walk up to the Easter egg. She'd take it and put it in her basket. Oh, you know how to play this. It's so cute. Yeah. But we had it. We had a really good time.

Starting point is 00:40:19 It was great hanging out with them. There was a, a couple nights where we got to sit, cause my daughter was with us too, where we got to hang out with just the teenagers, because her niece and nephew are I think 14 and 16, and then my daughter's 14. And so one night we all, a couple nights, we all sat out and just hung out and had a conversation. And then we played, and I don't know if this was a good idea, we played Cards Against Humanity. I forgot those cards. But they have like a kind of more family friendly version.

Starting point is 00:40:46 That's not the one we played. Bro. Yeah, that's pretty hard. And I realize, I mean, so my daughter, my 14 year old daughter has the darkest sense of humor. She laughs at stuff that I only understand because I'm also that way. Oh, and then I gotta tell you this, we went to Great America. Oh, is that where you guys were at? So then later in the day,

Starting point is 00:41:09 I took them to Great America, right? And we were going on rides and stuff. And then they have these, they have like a go-kart track there. I don't know if you guys know that you can pay extra to do it. No, I didn't know that. So we go there. That did not look like Great America, did it?

Starting point is 00:41:21 Yeah, so me, my nephew, and then my daughter. And so I'm like talking to my daughter, she's 14. Like honey, these are fast, these are actual go-karts, trying not to bump into people, whatever. She's like, shut up, I know what I'm doing, don't worry about it. I'm like, she's like rolling her eyes, and I'm like kind of worried, you know, because they're pretty fast, and you can bump them

Starting point is 00:41:39 pretty hard. And you're a worry wart when you can't see that. And I'm a little worry wart, right? Bro, they hit the green light goes, and she's vicious. Bro, she's vicious. Taking the inside track, pushing people out, power sliding.

Starting point is 00:41:54 Then I'm behind her trying to pass her, and every time I try to pass her, she swings in front of me aggressively as hell. It was the most proud moment of my life, bro. I bet, I bet. She beat everybody, she got first place. That's awesome, that's life. I bet. She beat everybody. She's in first place. That's awesome.

Starting point is 00:42:07 So aggressive. Did you see that? There's a viral clip right now going around of Carlos Sands, who's the Ferrari driver. Yeah. He went to a go-kart track, like a kid's one like that one, but like a little bit more souped up ones. And he started in last place in 20th and in the cameras and he had it recorded so you can watch the whole thing. Does it beat everybody?

Starting point is 00:42:27 Yeah, it's actually pretty sick to watch him go from 20th all the way to first place, like just methodically taking one go-kart racer out of time. I don't think anybody knew either, like he was all undercover, like having fun and stuff like that and it went viral, it's all over the place now, you can see it. That's like when those basketball players dress up

Starting point is 00:42:42 like an old guy and then they show up. Yeah, they just ball out. They just, yeah, school everybody. Who was it, Adam, that reached out to us about the Juve light? Who was it that texted us over the weekend? Oh, somebody was just buying it. Yes, it was, oh, now I can't believe I forgot his name.

Starting point is 00:42:58 That's terrible. He's one of our great friends. He's part of the Ramsey network. Oh, John. John Deloney. That's who it was. I was like. He's getting himself a juve light. So he reached out to Adam and I,

Starting point is 00:43:08 like is this the real deal or what? I'm like, yeah bro, listen to the episode where Doug talks about testosterone levels. Yeah, have you been consistent with it still? Are you doing good? Yeah, pretty consistent. I've been traveling a lot, so when I travel, of course I can't use it, but almost every day,

Starting point is 00:43:21 every morning. Yeah, I see you better. I didn't do it this morning though. I can tell. I'm up and down. I can feel it. Last time we talked about it, I was. Right now I'm not.

Starting point is 00:43:31 It's the same thing for me. It's like I get on a roll and then I'm like off and then I get on a roll and I'm off. Dude, I gotta tell you guys, do you guys know who Jonathan Haidt is? That name sounds really familiar. So I think you gotta look him up. Can you get his credentials?

Starting point is 00:43:43 Oh, the Coddling of the American Mind. Okay, did he write that? Yeah, I think so, yeah. What is his background? So he's a teacher. So Coddling of the American Mind was written by two liberal teachers that were professors, and I don't remember what.

Starting point is 00:43:58 So I know, okay, so he's a professor. Yeah, yeah. So he's a professor, does a lot of research. He wrote a book called um, called, um, the anxious generation, how the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness. He's a psychologist at New York university. And he specifically is writing about, um, how

Starting point is 00:44:20 social media and smartphones are affecting children's, uh's mental state. Of course. And the research is not good. The research is not good. He says that rates of mood disorders among US college undergraduates suddenly spiked in the early 2010s.

Starting point is 00:44:40 The number of kids reporting depression and anxiety rose steadily every year after that decade, until rates were up 134% and 106% respectively by 2020. Similar statistics are being seen in, in developed nations around the world. By the way, that's when Apple introduced its first front facing camera phone in the summer of 2010.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Instagram was also launched later that year. So he's like, and he's looking through the research and he goes, this is, this has a terrible effect on us. They have been, uh, surveying children and teens. So this is kids themselves saying it. So, you know, teenagers are like, you remember what it was like to be a teenager. You think you know everything, whatever half of of teenagers, so this is teenagers themselves, half of them saying they feel addicted to their phones.

Starting point is 00:45:31 Addicted. This is- I mean, and that's, okay, these are the self-aware ones that are admitting it. I mean, I would argue that- I would, that's what I'm saying, teenagers aren't gonna admit that. I mean, listen, so I took four days off,

Starting point is 00:45:43 basically, from the phone this last week, right, or this week, listen, I, so I took four days off basically from the phone this last week, right? Or this week over through the weekend. And the reason why I did was because it was prompted by me getting angry. I was like, we rarely ever get any hate and you know, but we do occasionally. And I think that if I go on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube and I read a comment that it will piss me off.

Starting point is 00:46:08 All day. Yes, all day. I know. And I found myself on my day off, in the middle of the day, like I had this little break, Max and Katrina went away, and I'm sitting there,

Starting point is 00:46:16 and I'm like still thinking about that comment. I'm gonna fucking tell that guy. You know, I'm like, like it was really, and I stopped myself and went, oh my God. The fact that I would allow, and what made me put it, I sat down,

Starting point is 00:46:30 I had this internal conversation, we have millions of listeners. I get emotional when I read the reviews and the positive stuff that is said about what we've done. I'm so proud of all these things. And I'm like, and then I could have let one motherfucker or one post that someone did to attack us or like that, like ruin my day.

Starting point is 00:46:53 And it's like, wow, like that is, that's all me, man. That's all me right there. So I was like, fuck this, I ain't even getting on. I'm not giving it the power. And so I've just like stepped away. I was having this conversation with my daughter and my niece and nephew, and we were talking about it, and they were actually open, to be honest with you.

Starting point is 00:47:10 They were open about, with the conversation. So my niece is remarkably self-aware for a 16-year-old. And so as we were talking about it, she goes, yeah, she goes, I said, oh, this is what it was. So we have this game where you can pull cards out that ask questions, and it's good to like, conversation. Table conversations. Something like that, right? Yeah, she goes, I said, oh, this is what it was. So we have this game where you can pull cards out that ask questions and it's good to like, conversation. Table conversations. Something like that, right? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:29 And one of the questions, it prompted me to think of asking more questions while we're at Great America waiting in line or whatever. And I said, hey, what's one of the hard things about being a teenager, okay? Yeah, of course, they tend to give you stupid answers or whatever, trying to be funny, but she answered honestly. And she goes, one of the tough things is comparing

Starting point is 00:47:46 myself to other girls and not feeling good enough. I said, wow. I said, where does that happen mostly? She goes, oh, when I go on social media. So we had this great conversation and they were really open. I said, you know, whatever you see a lot of, your brain thinks that's the world.

Starting point is 00:48:02 But now I said, look, everybody look around right now at Great America. I said, does any of said, look, everybody look around right now at Great America. I said, does any of this look like your newsfeed? Yeah. And they were all like, no, no, you're totally right. I said, but so what you're doing is you're comparing yourself with this total fake world. And it was really interesting.

Starting point is 00:48:18 In this book, by the way, more research, there's, he also talks about schools that ban phones and how dramatically it improves the kids wellbeing and test scores simply by, by banning phones. Something else that's interesting, aside from not letting your kids have a phone until they're like 16 or 17, which by the way, he is asking governments, he is saying now that governments need to change legal internet adulthood, which is 13 to 16. He thinks they need to do that like countrywide. Yeah, this is bad forever it. Yeah Right when he gets back in again. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry pal. Yeah, so

Starting point is 00:48:56 So check this out Jonathan hate and I'm gonna preface this by saying this. This is a fact. He's a He is a very Open atheist very strong atheist. You know what else he found in his research? One of the strongest counters to the anxiety, depression and harms of social media he found in his research were children of families that had a active spiritual practice.

Starting point is 00:49:21 He said it had a very powerful effect in countering what the kids, the negatives that can be found with social media and smartphones. I mean you feel like that's because it just, you know, church has is built in community? I think yes, it anchors them somewhere else. Yeah, it reminds me of, you know, remember when we watched Peterson live and like when he made the comment about like, I mean one of the most profound things for me that he said was when he was asked.

Starting point is 00:49:48 What he would do different? Yeah, what he would do different raising his kids and he sat there for a minute and he goes, we would have went to church more. Everybody was surprised by that. And then he made the point of, it's like religious or not religious, right? Believe or not believe.

Starting point is 00:50:00 He goes, but what are you replacing that time with on Sundays if this, because there's all kinds of research to show what happens when you are in a community like that and all the health benefits and how good it is for you, that's obvious. So then if you're gonna choose not to do that and say, I'm not gonna be able to,

Starting point is 00:50:15 what are you gonna do and replace that? And it's like how many parents actually go, hey, I don't want my kids going to church because I don't believe in God or whatever, but then what do you do? Yeah, what do you replace it with? You just let them play on the, call it duty all day long then instead, or you don't want my kids going to church because I don't believe in God or whatever, but then what do you do? What do you replace it with? Yeah, what do you replace it with? You just let them play on the, call a duty all day long then instead,

Starting point is 00:50:28 or you don't say anything, or you let their friends teach them. What are you doing instead? And so I think that's probably why I think it points to there's that community that's built into it. Yeah, without it, you think about it, how do you reinforce your why? How do you reinforce your morals, your values?

Starting point is 00:50:47 You know, if you're not like consciously a part of something that's like, you know, deliberately structured to. That's greater than yourself. That's greater than yourself. To point you in the right direction. You just, you know where you get your values? I mean, that's from the social media.

Starting point is 00:51:01 Yeah, it's a really difficult. You get it from social media, and what does social media tell you is valuable? Beauty, money, fame. Like what are you getting from there? As a kid, now if you're an adult and you have established, like you're already rooted and grounded, you can look at that and be like, you know, that's not like,

Starting point is 00:51:18 that's not what makes you happy. Like I figured this out, I'm 45 years old. Like that's not all. You're a 13 year old, 14 year old kid. Like you don't know. So you years old, like that's not all. You're a 13 year old, 14 year old kid, like you don't know. So you start to think that that's what's important in the world, especially for young girls. Like I feel really, really bad for young girls

Starting point is 00:51:33 who are constantly hammered that their value is in their sex appeal. Constantly they're told, directly or indirectly, that what makes them valuable is how sexy they are. What a terrible message to tell a kid, you know? Anyway. Speaking of social media and stuff like that and lies, did you guys know that Shaggy's voice

Starting point is 00:51:57 is not what you have heard it as? What? What do you mean? That is made up. What? He was making that, I saw that. So that's not his voice? What do you mean? That is made up. What? He was making that, I saw that. So that's not his voice? Vanilli Vanilli?

Starting point is 00:52:08 He was making, he was being, he was joking around with some friends and did that voice. And that became his. And that became his. You know when you said Shaggy, I was thinking of Scooby-Doo. Soiks!

Starting point is 00:52:19 Yeah, right away I was like, Scooby-Doo. Yeah, look up Shaggy's voice. He's not Jamaican. And so that. Oh, I did not this whole time. I didn't know this forever. He was, he was doing an interview and he was on a podcast and I, I caught the clip and I went no way. And then he's like, it did, it blew up. And so he just stuck with making his albums in that voice, but that's not even his, that's not even his real voice. Does that make it more, does it change,

Starting point is 00:52:50 like whether or not someone wants to listen to it or not? No. I guess not, right? Because it's all entertainment. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, it depends on like how you. It depends on his real voice. What if it's hella weird? I mean, it's not hella weird,

Starting point is 00:53:01 but it definitely doesn't sound like that. So, hey guys. Did you find it, Doug? I think so. That's funny, dude. How did you figure that out? I just came across an interview, and it popped up in my feed, and I clicked on it, and I don't remember what it was titled or what I thought.

Starting point is 00:53:15 Speaking of that whole world, well you just mentioned interviews and stuff, bro, Cat Williams, all the clips of all the shit he said in the past, he's all surfacing because all the stuff that's happening with P Diddy and all that. Bro, he wasn't full of crap, was he? Hey, hey, okay, by name, I mean, I've been waiting to see you guys and see how much tinfoil hat you guys are on this, because there's lots of like conspiracy theories around, like, is P Diddy just the fall guy? Did they just do the raid so they can get in there and go destroy all the evidence so nobody can tie it? Like what's really going on here?

Starting point is 00:53:49 I mean, is this just like a continuation of Epstein and this was just like another arm for it? You know what I'm saying? Connected and like all the same people are part of that circle. We gotta see what's happening. There was one hip hop- It feels like it's tied together.

Starting point is 00:54:02 I heard an interview by another hip hop artist who, I guess he's a Christian hip hop artist, and he talks about Hollywood and he goes, he gets invited to these parties and he goes, and I've seen a lot of stuff that's happened. He went to P. Diddy's house for a party and because they knew that he was not into that kind of stuff, they would tell him, hey, at this time you might want to leave because things are going to get kind of whatever. And he said, the first time he said I'm gonna stick around like I can handle whatever and he's like no I had to leave he goes it got real Crazy and wild. Yeah, you're seeing a lot all the artists that are coming out right now

Starting point is 00:54:32 Mace came out was talking about some stuff too that he walked away from tons of money and stuff like that because he saw Ice Cube. Well, yeah Yeah, so what we need to ask more questions is why the royal family seems to be in all the mix of each one of these Epstein Island discussion. They always get in. Yeah because like was it Prince Harry was like part of Puff Daddy's upbringing, like his rise to fame so to speak. Was he?

Starting point is 00:55:02 Yes. Isn't he listed? Is it true that he was in the report or whatever, like there's like a court document and his name is in there, in accordance with the whole case? Is that just bullshit? With the P. Diddy one or Epstein? P. Diddy.

Starting point is 00:55:13 Oh, I didn't know that. Well yeah, these are all lawsuits so far. Well Epstein, what's his name on them? Who knows if they're verified. Yeah, wasn't Prince Andrew on the Epstein? He was there, there's photos of him there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:23 Yeah, well that's the thing, It's like, I don't know. It's interesting if, once you start kind of looking further into like, you know, who's really behind. He's named, why Prince Henry is named in the $30 million Sean Diddy Combs sexual assault lawsuit. So he's in, his name is in the lawsuit. Yeah. Oh, damn.

Starting point is 00:55:44 This is all new right now. This just got dropped. Now what in his name is in the law. Yeah. Oh, damn. This is all new right now. That's just got dropped. Now what's his name? Cat Williams said in 2024, all the shit's everything's getting revealed. But that's the thing is like he, how did he know that? I'm saying you should look up his origin in terms of like puff daddy and like how he even got the fame that he got because he came from like some theatrical school and like was in the music and production and all that but like then got somehow got connected to the plants hairy and then now all of a sudden he's like this mega producer and he's like you know getting all these people on the label so the other the other rumors too is that uh or conspiracy theory whatever you

Starting point is 00:56:20 want to call it uh is that that is why he killed Tupac was because Tupac was going to put him on blast and say something. So I read that. It was all built into the retaliation for Biggie, but in reality that- So the big story is this, or the big conspiracy, overarching conspiracy is this, that Epstein Island and these big celebrities

Starting point is 00:56:46 who throw these big parties, they give drugs to people throw parties and then they record them. It's all blackmail. Yes, they record them doing things that they could then use for blackmail. So like you're this tough hip-hop artist, you go to P. Diddy's house, you party, you drink, you take drugs and then you you have sex with the dude. You do something gay. You wake up your butt hurts. Yes. And then, and they're like, we're going to reveal this if you don't sign this contract, which would kill your whole career because you're supposed to be this tough, right? Or

Starting point is 00:57:14 whatever. Or Epstein Island, they bring politicians over there, have sex with underage prostitutes. We'll use that. So that's why they're, that's the big, big story. That they're trying to say is true. Because apparently at P. Diddy's house, every room had a secret camera. I sure hope this isn't just Epstein all over again where we just, nothing comes of it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:37 You know? You get all these crazy articles and all this, oh my God, flight logs and oh my God, this person, that person, and then like, just disappears. But that's why it feels a bit like, you know, they can have like a scapegoat. They can have somebody that's like, they can pin a lot of the attention on while they're like,

Starting point is 00:57:54 he's eluding the authorities and all this and distracting us in some direction. Meanwhile- Is he in custody? Do you know? I don't know. Can you look it up? They've been spotting him in certain places. I don't think he's in custody? Do you know? I don't know. Can you look it up? They've been spotting him in certain places. I don't think he's in custody yet. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Cause that's the thing, I'm not sure this is criminal right now. I think it's like he's being, these are allegations of he's being sued and like it's civil, right? No. Is it civil or is it criminal? No, no, no, I think this is criminal.

Starting point is 00:58:24 Well, they don't go kicking your doors out for some civil case. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Because he broke laws. I think that they have evidence that he broke some laws. Yeah, and I don't think you, I think in order for like door. Yeah, the feds to come in. And door kicking in like that.

Starting point is 00:58:38 Yeah, they need civil lawsuits. And that's not like, oh, we think maybe. That's like, we've been building a case. Yes, you have to have enough evidence for a judge to give you the approval to go kick someone's door down. Yeah, which, yeah, I mean, I haven't seen anything about him being detained, so. No, it looks like he went home.

Starting point is 00:58:56 OK. That's weird. Yeah, I don't like it. They just raided his places. OK, now that's what makes me. That's even more fishy. It is. That's what makes me worried. Like, imagine charges get dropped,

Starting point is 00:59:06 and they just go in and go get all the evidence. We found nothing, you know? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, let's see what happens. Smoking mirrors, man. I mean, I swear to God, I believe nothing that I watched growing up on TV.

Starting point is 00:59:17 It's all bullshit. Did you ever get into the octopus murders yet? No, we're gonna try and pick up again tonight. Oh, okay. Yeah. My one-year-old just just randomly decided to stop being a good sleeper. She was like an angel. She was like the perfect sleeping baby and all of a sudden she's like, nah I'm gonna stay up till three o'clock in the morning and just terrorize you guys. You know on last week or last thing that we

Starting point is 00:59:40 recorded, you guys saw me going through it, right, with my son with the whole egg thing and crying and everything like that. I didn't tell you guys this that day, but it fucked me up all day. All day, I was so torn on, okay, what's my desired outcome? I have to say something to him, I'm gonna say something to him. What do I want to happen from it?

Starting point is 01:00:03 I also don't wanna crush this beautiful soul and his kindness and all this stuff like that. And luckily, I had the opportunity to talk it out with you guys and even express it on the podcast. And then I had four hours or so before I actually got home and I saw him. And I'd say that was the first real dad talk I've had. Like a real talk where I sat him down.

Starting point is 01:00:26 It wasn't just like, tell him you couldn't do something, you could do something, that's kind of how everything's. Yeah, yeah, it was thought out, and it wasn't long, but it was the closest thing to a mini lecture that my son has received from me yet. Luckily, one of the other things I was worried about was that it didn't bother, I didn't know if it would bother Katrina as much as it bothered me.

Starting point is 01:00:48 And then I found out when I got home, she had told me, she's like, man, I called my mom, I called this, she was, I was so, she was, I was really frustrated. She was like, I was really torn on what to do. I said, hey, I'm just glad you were there because I didn't have the, I've now had the time to process and think about it. And so I came home and as soon as I came home, I said, hey buddy, I said, daddy wants to talk to you. Okay, daddy.

Starting point is 01:01:10 And so I come over here, sit next to me and he sits down next to me and I said, hey, how was your day today? Oh, it was good, but I almost didn't get any eggs. And then you could see him getting a little tear. I said, hey, you don't cry, it's okay. Just tell me about your day. Oh, it was okay, dad.

Starting point is 01:01:25 It was okay. And I pull up the video of Katrina was recording him where he stopped and he starts crying and I, and I showed it to him. And I said, how come you, how come you stopped and you cried like this? Oh, dad. And then he started to get worked up.

Starting point is 01:01:39 He said, don't cry. You're not in trouble. Daddy just wants to know what, what you were feeling, what you were thinking, what was going on? How come you stop? I didn't think I was going to get it. I said, son, there was eggs for everybody. Look at it. There's two eggs right by your feet. All you had to do was bend over and pick them up. I said, listen, what I want you to understand

Starting point is 01:01:53 is you're not in trouble right now. I love you, right? You didn't do anything wrong. I said, but Schaefer's don't quit. And you quit right here. You just stopped. I said, I understand that you might not have got eggs. It might've been hard. I said, but these are the moments like this that all daddy wants you to do is to try. I just want you to try and do your best. I don't think you were doing your best here. I don't think you tried at all. In fact, you took a few steps and then you just stopped

Starting point is 01:02:15 and you started crying. And so we had, and he was like, you could tell he was understanding and he was like, okay. And he's like, okay, daddy, next time I'll be brave. Next time I'll be brave. Okay, cool, so we had that. And it was all over and stuff like that. But man, I tell you, all day long, I was's like, okay daddy, next time I'll be brave. Next time I'll be brave. Okay, cool, so we had that, and it was all over and stuff like that. But man, I tell you, all day long I was just like,

Starting point is 01:02:29 and had it happen in real time, I don't know if I would have processed it as. The best part of that was you said, I love you before you said the rest. Yeah. Because then he feels like, oh my dad, I can hear you. Yes, I didn't want him to think,

Starting point is 01:02:44 so I thought a lot about that, right? Because I didn't want to come so hard, like, don't you, or he could misconstrue it and be like, my dad doesn't like me or something like that. Yeah, I didn't want him to think that he was, because one of my biggest concerns was, we were, I'm definitely gonna get this across, that that's not okay, right?

Starting point is 01:02:59 It's not okay to just quit and cry, that's not okay. But at the same time too, I know he's sensitive and I know that was overwhelming and I love that part of him but that's not okay. But at the same time too, I know he's sensitive and I know that was overwhelming and I love that part of him that he's like that. You know, he struggled. Yeah, and so it was a challenge for him and stuff like that and then I could tell by the way, we were sitting next to me and I was like.

Starting point is 01:03:14 That's great when my three year old does some shit because he's impulsive and he'll just throw, like the other day he took my daughter's AirPods and just chucked, and he's got an arm too, chucked them against the wall. And it was like, oh my, so Jessica and just chucked, and he's got an arm too, chucked them against the wall. And it was like, oh my, so Jessica does this thing now, she'll get mad at him, and then she'll say, I love you and I like you, but I'm really upset.

Starting point is 01:03:34 So he'll get really mad, he'll be like, I don't like you, and he'll run away and she'll be like, I love you and I like you, like, I love you too, but I'm mad, you know? And so he repeats it back to her, dude, it's the funniest thing ever, bro. Max's new thing is if you ask him, where did you learn that?

Starting point is 01:03:48 Or where did you get that? Oh, it's in my brain. Yeah, yeah. It's in my brain. Yeah, it's in my brain. That's awesome. That's what he says about everything. Oh, speaking of kids, I gotta tell you guys,

Starting point is 01:03:57 so this is a big win for one of our partners, Paleo Valley. Their meat sticks, teenager approved. I gave it to, I was giving it to the teens that were with us, and teenagers are a pain in the ass when you give them anything remotely looking healthy or whatever, they love them. They love the meat sticks. Oh, did you have a boy eat those?

Starting point is 01:04:15 I was like, oh you got good teens. Yeah, dude, they love them. Are they still with you right now? No, they just took off. How long did they stay? They were here, let's see, one, two, three, four, four days? Four days. We're gonna try and get them to come back over the summer

Starting point is 01:04:28 and try and stay with us. Now what was that like? Cause you got a household, bro. You got a lot going on. Jessica and I. A lot going on and then you just threw two teenagers that weren't yours in the mix. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:04:37 And then my son from college was with us too. Oh, he was too. Oh, wow. So we had a house full of just chaos. We sat, Jessica and I at one point, she sends me a text, she follows it up with something else which is funny, but she sends me a text, she goes, it's stressful, noisy, the house is a mess,

Starting point is 01:04:54 she goes, but I feel so fulfilled. She goes, I love the way it feels to have the house filled with people. And then I think she realized where I'd go and she followed up with, you're still getting the vasectomy. Don't think about it. She knows where I'll go with that. But that's what I felt like. It was like so it was so such a full house and loud and again messy or whatever but man it feels so good you know just to just to have that energy you know with everybody

Starting point is 01:05:24 together. Full house like that. It was awesome. All right do we got a shout out maybe I should shout out that book by Jonathan Haidt I haven't read it yet. Well then you probably shouldn't shout it out. Okay you're right. Oh why don't you shout out our coaching that's still going on. Well I got it I got a shout out on one of our guides we talked about tersepitide and somaglutide. Yeah. I don't know if you guys know this we have a peptide guide that our partners at nphormos.com created for us. Is that Mind Pump Free?

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Starting point is 01:06:31 It'll blow you away. Go to brain.fm forward slash mind pump. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Rick from Arizona. Rick, what's happening? What up, Rick? What's up, Rick? How can we help you? Well, so I have, I have an issue.

Starting point is 01:06:45 So I did the Spartan world championships this past November and it was a three day event. And since then I've been training roughly about six days a week and doing yoga on day seven. But the issue that I have is, is that I did a uneven bar obstacle that essentially it screwed up my shoulder. Not to the point where I can't train with it, but it sounded essentially like if you slam on your brakes really hard, almost like a, almost like a grind. Like the, and I've been, say again, it's like the anti-lock system

Starting point is 01:07:27 that kicks in on the brakes and what you're talking about, right? Like grinding, right? Like, yeah. So that happened on day two and I did the rest of the races on day three. But since then it's been almost a nagging pain at kind of the, almost maybe the nine o'clock. If this was a clock, it'd be right here in this spot. And it's just a continuing nagging pain. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:54 Okay. So let me, um, let's, let's get a little context here. You trained for the Spartan world championship. This is a three day grueling event. Your training that led up to that, I would assume was a lot, a lot of volume, a lot of training, most days working out. Correct. You did the event.

Starting point is 01:08:12 I'm done working out six days a week now. Seventh day is yoga. Okay. So do you, with what I'm saying, do you see anything that could be preventing any healing for your body? Does anything stand out? Right. Yeah. I think overtraining is a key. I've tried to, I've tried to separate it out with two days heavy and then the remaining days light or functional. Yeah. No, you're, uh, that level of competition and

Starting point is 01:08:47 training that, that leads up to that. You need time off. Yeah. You don't need, yeah, you don't need two heavy days and then three light days and whatever you need to take like all light days and less days. Yeah. You need to take like, I mean, honestly, you need to take like three days, like, like two, like two weeks off.

Starting point is 01:09:03 And during that two week period, you could do things like walk, you could do static stretching. So you do some mobility. Massage. Yeah, but you know, light mobility, not workout mobility is what I would do. And then coming at it, because here's the deal, you have an injury, we don't know what the injury is. Where you pointed is a, you know, what people refer to as like a rotator cuff type injury. Could be an infraspinatus or the supraspinatus muscle is the stabilizers of the humerus, maybe a partial tear, maybe a

Starting point is 01:09:33 strain, actually, you know, we can, we can see right now if there's like a real tear. Can you lift your arm out at 90 degrees like this for me? So bend your arm at 90 degrees, right? Can I see your elbow? Okay. And you can rotate that all the way back and then all the way down and then go all the way down, rotate it down. Yeah. So like right here, it just tends to, it tends to be tightness. Okay. So it

Starting point is 01:09:55 doesn't look like a full tear because you still have the movement. Yeah. So you're going to have to take some time off when you come back to your training, then I would do an emphasis on shoulder mobility, external rotation, and then the rest of your upper body training would be very light. I'm thinking prime pro and symmetry. Yeah. So I think prime pro. So I think you should take off, give yourself a little recovery. You should come back using prime pro for all the shoulder stuff and then in the first, and then, and

Starting point is 01:10:28 then do map symmetry, map symmetry. The first two weeks is isometrics, which is perfect. And then from your isometric portion, by the third week, you get into, um, unilateral work, which I think is the next thing that we should do. So that would be the prescription prime pro right now, while you're trying to

Starting point is 01:10:45 recover for the next week or two. Then when you start feeling a little bit better, don't rush it, go into symmetry and follow the way that's laid out. Yeah. Okay. And then, um, I do have a 24 hour endurance in June. Should I lighten the load when I, as building up to it? I mean, you could do some, uh, well, first of all, you could

Starting point is 01:11:07 do, you could be doing stuff like cardio. I didn't say like that's an, that's a, I mean, we really need to take off some weights right now, but what you can be doing right now is at least working on your endurance. That won't. I just wouldn't push the intensity cause you're still going to compromise some of your, your, your body's ability to heal.

Starting point is 01:11:22 So June, so it made you wow. Okay. So we don't have much time at all. All right. Well, look, we got two, there's two, That's fair. Your body's ability to heal. So June, so it made, wow, okay, so we don't have much time at all. All right, well look, we got two, there's two, there's a scenario here that we're dealing with. Scenario one is compromising maximum performance but placing a very high potential for an injury that's gonna require much more than just rest and mobility. Or, so in other words, uh, you're probably, you're better off fixing

Starting point is 01:11:49 your shoulder and going into it with potentially less performance than you are trying to push the performance past this injury in my experience, it almost never works out well in my experience can, you know, fear of loss of performance and pushing past or through an injury results in none of it. Like, in other words, you know, fear of loss of performance and pushing past or through an injury results in none of it. Like in other words, you'd have to stop. I can't do the event anyway, because I hurt my shoulder and now I'm totally screwed. I mean, I personally, I would like, so he doesn't feel like he completely said,

Starting point is 01:12:15 I've been, I'd work on endurance right now. What's the, what's the race look like? What are you doing it? Um, so it's going to be in Killington, Vermont. It's going to be a 24 hour endurance of essentially your, your rucking and then every two miles they add about, you know, they add a five pound plate and it's essentially going as far as you can. Is that the Joe DeSina death race? That's not the death race, is it?

Starting point is 01:12:39 No, no. Okay. No, that's not the death race. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you could train for that while doing mobility there because yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, not the death race. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you could train for that while doing mobility there because yeah, you're, you're, you're you're rucking. You're not, you know, pressing anything overhead or supporting yourself. Right.

Starting point is 01:12:53 No, just work on your cardio endurance in the next two weeks while you're recovering and then follow the prescription. We said prime probably symmetry. Do you have any of our programs right now, Rick? I did the max on the, the, the, the anabolic. I've done that one. I haven't done any other programs yet. I just, I essentially found you guys probably about eight months ago.

Starting point is 01:13:12 So I've been listening and kind of getting information. So prime pro is designed to kind of compliment any of the programs you're doing. It's really designed to help you troubleshoot injuries like the one you're dealing with. So you're going to use it, which is great. This will be something that it'll be nice to have in your tool belt going forward, especially if you like races like this is when you have injuries or issues that are bothering you, you would go to that area and there's a test that you do and it's

Starting point is 01:13:35 pass or fail in this case, you're probably going to fail the shoulder test on that side. And then there's specific movements to do to help rehab you in that area. So you're going to primarily focus just on the shoulder stuff right now and probably doing a little bit of your endurance training and resting like Sal said, and then a week or two, hopefully you're starting to feel better and then move into map symmetry and follow it the way it's laid out. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:56 You, you should, if you're doing everything right within a week, you should notice significant improvement. If you don't, then you may, you might be doing something wrong or there may be a more severe injury. Don't overdo it. Yeah. Yeah. That would be the big thing is like, don't over intensify it. Like this is all like to try and help heal and think of it more as like a therapeutic dose. Yeah. You truly, you truly could do nothing for the next week or two and, and let the body heal is probably one of the best things you could do, but you could get away with doing so much. So the only thing you could do wrong here is doing too much.

Starting point is 01:14:28 And I, you know, one last thing I'll add, Rick, you know, they've done studies now on, um, factors that, uh, increase the risk of injury. And the one thing that, that increases the risk of injury the most, like by far more than warming up or lack of warming up more than, you know, train too hard, whatever, is poor sleep. So in, during this process, I would really prioritize sleep. There's almost nothing you can do. There's no recovery tool or method or supplement that would come close to

Starting point is 01:15:01 getting really good eight hours of sleep every single night. So if you really want to turbo charge this, that's what I would do. And then if you want to add something to it, um, you can go to mphormones.com and talk to the doctors there about BPC157, thymus and beta. These are peptides that can also accelerate the healing process. They won't replace mobility and good sleep, but in addition to them, they were pretty fast. I didn't even think about it. I'm telling you. If you have that, it'd be great.

Starting point is 01:15:27 Yeah. Have you heard us talk about Transcend yet? The company we work with? Um, sorry, there was a little side back talk there. Go ahead. Are you familiar with the company Transcend that we talk about, we work with, that we're partnered with? Yes. Oh, okay, cool. Go to mphormones.com, get a consult with them and then... Yeah, BPC works really well. Really well.com, get a consult with them and then, uh, yeah, BPC works really well, really well. And if you combine it with time is in beta, it's pretty good.

Starting point is 01:15:53 Also another thing to just have for somebody who does race someone like you. Yeah. You seem to like this extreme stuff. So, yeah, yeah. So you'll, you'll get a kick out of that. All right. Sounds good. You got it, man. Do you have prime pro and symmetry?

Starting point is 01:16:02 No, he does. We'll send that over to you. Okay. Yeah. And I'll definitely get working on it and, um, I'll send you notes, uh, for how it works out. Appreciate the fall. Yeah. Thank you. All right, Rick. Thanks, man. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:16:17 These, uh, extreme events are getting more and more popular. Oh yeah. The people love them. I think people were so not challenged and you know that people do it. That's exactly what it is. And then they're like, oh my God, I feel alive. You know what I mean? I just feel alive.

Starting point is 01:16:31 Cause you'll find people that seem to be addicted to these events almost. Yeah. I mean, what we should do, we should get better about this is when we have someone like that is like- Ask them why. Well, appearing more into like what they do for a living and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:16:43 I bet you there's a very high percentage of like desk jobs But I bet it's really rare that the contractor gets out there to spark. Yeah, I'm serious How many contractor buddies or guys you know that don't do these things? Well, that was like, okay so when we did our our our rival game that I decided to do for football was like our rival game that I decided to do for football. It was like nobody that had, like, was a plumber, a contractor, anything like, all the guys that we needed to play, like, didn't play.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Cause they're like, no, this is gonna compromise, like, my, like, well-being, my career. So it was like, you know, I understood that. But it's like, yeah, most of those guys don't wanna do, like, the extreme stuff. Yeah, that's funny. Our next caller is Deanna from Ohio. Hi Deanna. How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:17:30 I am so excited. I actually, I was kind of come see you at the Arnold because we, Ohio, me and my brother. And I put that on Facebook and Justin and Doug actually responded to that. So I was so excited. Oh, sorry. That was Doug's fault. Yep.

Starting point is 01:17:49 I take the blame. I take the blame for everything. That's it. Yeah. How can we help you? Okay, so I'm going to read my email. I modified it a tiny bit. Don't be mad at me, Doug.

Starting point is 01:18:02 But when I wrote it, I was not head started the SIBO protocol yet and so now that I'm almost done with that I just kind of updated it a little bit. Okay. Okay, so I'm a 52 year old woman woman and to say that I need help from my MP guys would be a major understatement. I feel like I'm out on an island all alone and no idea how to find my way back home. In 2020 I got back into a consistent workout routine. By the end of that year I felt like I was in the best condition since my 20s. Unfortunately after my brother turned me on to you guys that year I

Starting point is 01:18:40 realized that just like I had been doing my entire life, I was doing it all wrong. I was severely over training and under eating. But in my defense, I just didn't know that. And August of September and September of 2022, everything started to go wrong. I started gaining weight, I felt exhausted to the point I would have to stop in the middle of my workouts. And overall, I just felt horrible. By January of 2023, the wheels fell off the bus and I was barely a functional human. I was lucky to sleep two consecutive hours at night and was rarely able to get

Starting point is 01:19:16 five total hours of sleep each night. I was getting migraines every day. I was an emotional disaster, crying all the time. I got anxiety so bad that I was afraid to be alone in my own house I felt overwhelmed by life every single day. I couldn't think straight I kept gaining weight and I felt completely exhausted and depleted every single day and April 2023 I did hormone testing and found out that all my hormones were low I started bio identicalical hormone replacement therapy

Starting point is 01:19:45 in June of last year and honestly thought that was going to change my life and make everything better. But after not seeing or feeling any progress in November of 2023, I finally gave in and bought Dr. Cabral's Big Five Bundle and Gut Lab. I love Dr. Cabral. I got my results in December and all six layups

Starting point is 01:20:07 results showed that I was a hot mess. I have leaky gut, numerous food sensitivities, high levels of mercury and aluminum, low omega-3s, low TSH, my body isn't breaking down fats, I'm not absorbing protein, I have an absorption problem in general, my cortisol spikes at night, even though I'm on bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, all my hormones are still low. I was so severely deficient in all my vitamins and minerals that most didn't even register on the scale. I was supplementing with mellow when I did the layups, but was still low in magnesium. I have a methylation problem. I'm not processing vitamin B. So I was completely out of everything vitamin B. My D3 was super low,

Starting point is 01:20:51 nothing was good. All my ratios were a mess. And most of the results boiled down to stress being a big factor of some of the things being deficient. My results showed that I am in a constant state of fight or flight. On January 2nd, I started the 7-day liver detox, which was absolutely a game changer. A week after that, I started the CBO protocol, which is a three-month process. So right now, I am just under three weeks from finishing that, which that has been a life-changing experience as well. After I finish, I have to do the gut finisher to help seal up my gut. And then I'll do a heavy metal detox and I'm supplementing with all the things that I need.

Starting point is 01:21:31 By January 1 of this year, I had gained 20 pounds from the time everything had started going wrong. This was not due to overeating just that my body was so messed up. Since doing the liver detox and being on the CBO protocol, I've lost 13 pounds, but I feel like I'm at least in the mid 30s body fat percentage where I think I've always been. I've always felt I could not build muscle, but I assume that had come from grossly under eating protein and under eating in general my entire life. I feel like my whole body is riddled with cellulite. I feel like I have had this issue my whole life,

Starting point is 01:22:08 but it's worse now. I feel like I don't look like I work out at all. Where do I go from here guys? How can I hit my protein goals while being on the CBO protocol and then the thick of food eliminations, eating such low calories, meal spacing, and eating the recommended smaller portion size meals.

Starting point is 01:22:28 What program should I be following while in this low calorie season of my life and while trying to get my body balanced and functioning properly? At my age, can I do anything about the cellulite or has the years of starving my body and not understanding the need for protein destroyed my chances? I need you guys now more than ever.

Starting point is 01:22:47 Deonna, I want you to get out of your own way right now, because you have just, what you've overcome, is amazing and incredible. And you're doing the right, you're moving in the right direction. You're right there. With the right priorities, you're getting your health in check, working on your gut health, allowing yourself to absorb nutrients.

Starting point is 01:23:08 Because without any of that, exercise, it's not gonna help when you do anything. So you're doing everything right. I don't want you to change anything. You can add exercise, but I'd be very careful with the intensity and the application. MAP Starter would be the perfect program to start with.

Starting point is 01:23:24 And that's it. And I wouldn't change anything. I wouldn't change anything until Dr. Cabral's team says you're good, now you can move into something a little different. Because if you push too hard right now, you may reverse out of where you're at, or you might start to backslide a little bit.

Starting point is 01:23:40 Stress-related. That's right. I hope you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I feel like where you came from and where you're at right now, you're heading in the right direction and it's around the corner for you. And the only thing that we could do right now is really kind of screwed up for ourselves by wanting it too fast and too soon. I mean, you've gone through this shit storm for so long and you're so close now to healing

Starting point is 01:24:03 yourself. It's going to get better. It's going to get better and you're going close now to healing yourself, it's gonna get better. It's gonna get better and you're gonna be okay. And yes, your body can absorb protein again. And yes, you can build muscle. And yes, you can build the body and the physique that you still- Totally.

Starting point is 01:24:15 Yes, all the, yes to all that. But just be patient. Okay. Stay the course. You're seeing great- Okay, here. Let's hear it. Here's the bad news.

Starting point is 01:24:25 So last year, even at my worst, January and February, I was like, I could not barely function. And then by March I said, Hey, you got to do something, at least try to do one set of the big five moves down in the basement. See how you do and try to maintain any kind of muscle mass that I had. So I did do that as much as I could, but like literally two days a week. And then at some point it got to like two sets of the big five.

Starting point is 01:24:58 Just with dumbbells, the intensity was very low because I was so weak. And so then in January of this year I kind of started Um working out again and dr. Cabral said that was okay Um that you should work out Well, he might well he obviously knew how bad I was because all my results which he didn't see but his team did Um, so right now in my basement one day a week I go to

Starting point is 01:25:28 the gym but because I have to eat on these scheduled times it doesn't work out after work. So I go home go in my basement and I do do like three sets of some dumbbell exercises, kind of like anabolic, but not like to a T, but pulled the exercises from that. So I have been working out since January and I feel stronger, like my dumbbells are increasing up. I do feel stronger. I don't necessarily see a lot of muscle tone, but I see some and that's kind of where I'm at. That's just more good news. That's fine. That's more good news.

Starting point is 01:26:08 That's fine. You can do maps 15 or maps starter. Just get in traction. Yeah. Yeah, maps 15 or maps starter would be appropriate for you. And you got to let your body heal. That's it. You have to understand too, the fact that you are even seeing any sort of strength gains and feeling like you're seeing any difference is Incredible considering you're still in the healing process Once you are once you are fully healed

Starting point is 01:26:34 You're really gonna start to reap the benefits of the work that you're putting in And and the only thing we could do wrong right now is pushing too fast too hard too soon Yeah, so what you're doing right now, it sounds like it's a perfect amount of volume. Sounds great So if you don't want to do what Sal said to starter, then keep doing what you're doing and just allow Cabral to finish the protocol with you and you to start feeling better. Because once you start absorbing protein better, your digestion is better, your energy is going to come up, your strength is going to come up. It's all going to come together. It's compounding effect, gel at once.

Starting point is 01:27:03 You're there, you're close. So right now on the protocol, I'm only eating 1200 calories a day so I'm only getting 96 grams of protein a day which worries me because I feel like the cellulite is getting worse because I feel like I'm paring down muscle and so how do I, how would I reverse? So you know, Justin knows this. So he likes you to not eat any food until lunch. He likes liquid before lunch. And he likes you to space your meals three to four hours apart to give time for digestion and just your gut to rest. And he wants you to be done eating three hours before bed. I get up at four o'clock in the morning and I go to bed at eight.

Starting point is 01:27:49 So if my meals need to be within my lunchtime at 5pm, I don't know how to, like how I'm ever going to reverse out and get my calories back up. It's not going to be forever. There's an order of operation here. So, okay, let me put, let me give you an analogy. If I had a knee injury, I would have to rehab my knee injury before I could get stronger at a barbell squat. It would be, it wouldn't make sense for me to try to get stronger at a

Starting point is 01:28:17 squat without rehabbing an injury. I would just, it would just go backwards. I would just hurt myself. Not only would I not get stronger, I would get weaker. So you have to finish and follow the protocol and it's not going to be forever. At some point you'll be able to eat different times or whatever, but it sounds like we're reversing out of a lot of damage. I get it. It's psychologically challenging because you know, that's where you want to be and to Sal's point, it's really, the intention right now is to heal.

Starting point is 01:28:45 And so like to go through that and just really focus on that and like improving that to its fullest capacity. Uh, I mean, it's, it's a hard mindset to maintain for a certain amount of length. And I was struggling with the gut protocol. It's difficult, you know? And, and so like I, I commend you, it's a difficult process, but it, you will get through it and you will make it out and then you'll feel better, which then will apply towards your strength

Starting point is 01:29:09 and everything else you're trying to pursue with working out. Deanna, are you in our private forum yet? I am, I have been for a while. I'll tell you that I'm not a huge social media person at all. Like my time, I go to bed at eight o'clock, I work full time, I go to bed at eight o'clock, I work full time. My life's pretty stressful.

Starting point is 01:29:29 That's okay. I don't want to encourage it then. I don't want to encourage you to do it more than if I'm not a fan of it anyways. But I would love just to check in from you, you know, once a month with us, just letting you know how things are. That way we can just give you a virtual hug and remind you that you're doing fine. Yeah. Because that's all this is right now. You came from so much, you made all the right decisions on how to take care of yourself. You just need to be patient right now and just know that this is just a season of your

Starting point is 01:29:54 life. You're not going to be here forever and you're going to get to move back into eating more calories and more protein and you're going to be able to build more muscle and all that stuff is going to come. Just stay the course right now. You're doing really good. So just check in with us once a month. If you're feeling like this again or letting us know how things are going and then we'll be there to help support you through this process. Okay. And if I'm like, if I tend to be, so my life is stressful, but I feel like I handle it well

Starting point is 01:30:26 and working out obviously helps. Am I doing myself a disservice, like working out like three days a week or what? Like when I'm, I don't know, like when life's stressful. It depends. It depends on the context of what's going on. That's when I would adjust the intensity. That's when I would adjust the workout. That's when I would adjust the workout.

Starting point is 01:30:49 But if you find yourself getting stronger, then you're probably moving in the right direction. You're probably doing the appropriate amount of training. The only thing I would add would be a stress management reduction protocol. That would be the only other thing I would add. So that could be meditation, belly breathing, prayer, something that, that, um, really helps something that helps with stress management would be the only thing I would add. Okay. Okay. I can't hang up without telling you guys, so I'm going to try

Starting point is 01:31:19 not to cry here, but since my brother turned me on to you guys, like almost four years ago, to you guys, like almost four years ago, like you guys have really changed my life. So I had a son who passed away seven years ago. He was a personal trainer. Listening to you guys each morning just makes me feel it brings me back to him. Like he was so passionate like you guys and he just loved helping people and he kept it real.

Starting point is 01:31:51 And you guys remind me, each one of you have something about you that just reminds me of him. And so I just feel closer to him every single morning. You guys bring joy to my life. And I just really appreciate everything that you do and how much you've helped me and it went I went and went to Dr. Croft it went for you guys I would never known about leaky gut if not hearing from you guys so you've taught me so much and I've told everybody about you I talked to you guys I talk about you guys all the time but I want to tell you

Starting point is 01:32:23 one of the things wrong in this space is when you have someone like me who don't look like they work out. It's not doing you guys any favors when I try to sing your praises, because they're probably looking at me like, girl, they must not know what they're doing because you're not looking. You've probably brought us more listeners than, than, than, than you, than you realize that I think they can hear in your voice the authenticity. So thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I love you guys. I hope you keep doing what you're doing. Adam, when I met my husband, he sat and peed all the time. Not just at night. I love it. No peace place in anywhere, but I cannot get on board with the peanut butter and jelly.

Starting point is 01:33:10 For the jelly knife for the peanut butter. You win some, you lose some. Yeah, can't win them all. Can't win them all. Thank you, Deanna. Thank you so much. Stay in touch. Love you guys. God bless. Thank you. Have a good day. Bless you. You too. Bye-bye. Wow.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Too early to get emotional. Yeah, dude. I'm over here fighting it back, man. Yeah. I think there's an order of operation that I hope people hear from our communication with this. You can't skip a step when it comes to getting, you know, fit or lean. If your body's fighting something, if you need to heal,

Starting point is 01:33:49 you can't skip that step and get to the lean or the strong or whatever. Just doesn't work that way. So there's really only one way to do it. But I do understand the challenge, right? She's doing really good, man. Amazing. From where she came from.

Starting point is 01:34:00 Yeah, the fact that we haven't had a chance to talk to her until now and she made all those decisions and she's found out all that. I mean that's you know how many people that go through this and they never get to the bottom of it and they just and then they just continue to try and beat themselves up. So it's amazing where she's at and she's so close. She's so close to getting healed and it's going to make all the things that she's doing so much feel so much better because effortless. it'll feel effortless There's nothing there's no I mean I don't even have it the the faintest idea of like this level of stuff going on body

Starting point is 01:34:31 But even just having my hormones off or going through that process one of the most Difficult discouraging things is I've trained for so for so long and I know what a balanced diet and what training good training looks like And I know how my body's supposed to respond and then I know how it was responding when my hormones were right and boy is that fucking tough. Of course. It's so tough to get up and go to the gym and make the good choices. You don't feel like yourself.

Starting point is 01:34:52 This is where you need cheerleaders. Yeah, when you're not seeing the return in your investment. Telling you you're on your right track. But you're close, you'll be fine, you're almost there, hang in there. Keep going. Yeah, almost destroyed me right there. How crazy is that?

Starting point is 01:35:05 I was just talking about it. I'm saying, is that not the truth or what? Listen, man, there's, there's, uh, there's more than money that we're doing here, that's for sure. Our next callers are Austin and Cassie. What's up guys. Double trouble here. Have we done couples therapy yet?

Starting point is 01:35:22 No, we haven't done couple fitness yet. What's going on? How can we help you? It's going on. How can we help you? Uh, Hey guys, uh, huge fans. My name is Cassie. Um, and this is Austin. I'm Austin. Uh, we are big, huge fans.

Starting point is 01:35:36 And that's our very favorite thing to do is to listen to your podcast and then we'll discuss it together. And like he's that as our like fitness motivation or workout buddies. So, uh, it's so fun. Thank y'all for doing this podcast. We really enjoy it. So, uh, thank you. Some fitness nerdness for you.

Starting point is 01:35:56 Thought you'd appreciate that. So anyway, but also nothing, right? Like, yeah, I'll just jump in and ask the question then I'll try to keep it short. Basically we've been working out for a little over a year now and we have had fantastic results. We just ran anabolic just back to back to back. We've done it three times now and we just don't know, should we keep doing that or should we now move on to something else? I kind of want to use the strong program and she kind of wants to do symmetry.

Starting point is 01:36:23 We're in the best shape of our lives. We're in our mid-30s. What do y'all think we should do next? Your wife is right. I think symmetry would be a better follow-up from anabolic. It's always right. Get used to it. I know what that feels like. Listen, it's not that MAPS strong is a bad followup, but knowing the programming of MAPS anabolic, it's very focused in one plane of movement. It's very kind of one-dimensional, great for muscle, great for strength, great for metabolism boosting. But when you run it back to back to back,

Starting point is 01:36:57 what ends up happening is you start to create imbalances between moving in one plane of movement to the other, rotation isn't really in there that much. You might- You get, moving in one plane of movement to the other, rotation isn't really in there that much. You might get really strong in one direction. Yeah, so symmetry would be great for balancing the body out, especially following a program like MAPS Anabolic. Another good follow-up would be MAPS Performance. Those would be the two ideal programs to follow anabolic with and you'll love the results. You'll love the way it develops your body. We don't talk about it as much as we used to

Starting point is 01:37:29 at the beginning, but when we first wrote all the programs, we wrote those in the first three in that order with that intent. That most people should follow in that order, regardless of what your goal is. And really the idea was taking into consideration all those things. It's like, okay, if we just got really strong with anabolic, what are the things that that program was lacking that would be ideal for the ideal client? And that's why performance is the natural progression of that. Now what's great is symmetry has unilateral work, has some, it has some components to it that will address some of the things that,

Starting point is 01:38:02 which came later, right? We wrote that program way later on. So symmetry would work there, but the true like ideal progression, if you guys were a client of mine, it allowed me just to take you through programming. It would go maps, anabolic, math performance. And then you could do aesthetic or you could do strong or you could do something else like that

Starting point is 01:38:18 because that one's more bodybuilder focused. And if that's not a goal, then I wouldn't necessarily push you in that direction. But those first two, I think make a huge difference to follow them in that order for that reason Like I guess you wonder I have been tiny my whole life. I was like 145 and after doing this program, I'm like 175 and Amazing dude, I'm wearing my mind pump shirt. Wow. I love it.

Starting point is 01:38:45 I want to go straight to strong, man. Hold on. You gained 30 pounds of, uh, of, uh, mostly lean body mass. That's phenomenal. I know. I know she had great results too, but I'm not going to tell her weight, but she can if she wants to. I lost like 70 pounds of body fat and I don't know how much muscle bit.

Starting point is 01:39:05 Oh my God. During this whole process. Yeah. The two of you really done an incredible transformation. Wow. We need to see some, I know. Did you guys do like before and after? Yeah, we were going to, but I don't know. I was a little nervous.

Starting point is 01:39:17 Did anybody say no, no before and after. So we try not to focus too much on like the looks. Oh, that's a better. That's a better answer. We have kids at home and stuff. Good answer. Oh my God. Good answer. I didn't think I could like you more.

Starting point is 01:39:31 Yeah. So listen, here's the deal. You're not going to compromise muscle gains by following a program like performance or symmetry. No. It's actually going to continue to enhance. It's going to be very preventative. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:42 Because if you keep following anabolic and people fall in love with that program because of the gains that they get, especially when they first get started, but it'll slow down if you don't address those other issues. So symmetry, performance, that's going to keep you moving in this direction. That's going to keep you moving forward at this nice pace. A muscle building hack to always remember is one of the best ways to stimulate growth is novelty. And so when you change to a program, changing to something that is very unique and compared to what you were doing before will stimulate, even if

Starting point is 01:40:12 it sounds weird, it's different. Oh, it's performance and we're going to be doing all this unilateral work. And I don't know if I really want you, but because that's so different from anabolic, it's going to make your body want to build more muscle. So even though it doesn't seem like it's a muscle building program, it will absolutely continue to do that,

Starting point is 01:40:28 especially if you've got your diet in line and everything else. Get ahead of that plateau. That makes a lot of sense. Man. How exciting. That's so cool. That's great. And you guys got kids, you said? Two boys that listen to mind pump almost every morning when I drop them off to school. I'll watch the bad words that we say sometimes. Sorry about that. Nah, nah, he'll be okay. They hear words from my mom probably. Just tell them about your moms.

Starting point is 01:40:54 They're three and six years old, so they're tiny mice. We're trying to keep up with them. I think that's really the big thing for us. That's awesome. All right, so we'll send over Symmetry, okay? That'll be the next program for you. Awesome. Thank y'all so much. Thank y'all so much. Yeah, we appreciate the awesome. All right so we'll send over symmetry okay that's that'll be the next program for you. Awesome thank you all so much. Thank you all so much. We appreciate the support. All right. Holy Toledo. Wow what great results. You know what's crazy when you look at the cool. She was down 70. She was down 70. He's up 30 of lean body. What? You know what's crazy when you look at the data. Incredible. I remember reading data on couples and I remember reading this because you guys know the gym over there on San

Starting point is 01:41:28 Teresa. We all worked there and ran that club and there was a gastric bypass program across the street. And so sometimes it would send over patients who would have gastric bypass procedures and I dived into the data and I remember reading data on couples where if one person pursued health and fitness, lost a lot of weight, transformed the spells, and the other person didn't. It was like a divorce. The divorce rate skyrocketed. But there's another side to that.

Starting point is 01:41:58 When a couple pursues health and fitness together, their divorce rate, it drops considerably. The results are exponential. Obviously you see that. The stick rate is very high. health and fitness together, the divorce rate drops considerably. And the results are exponential, obviously you see that. The stick rate is very high, it's much higher. People are much more likely to maintain sustainable results when that partner follows it with them. So it's really great to hear that.

Starting point is 01:42:18 You know, there was a point in my dating career back in the day. It's a career. You did have a career. Yeah, yeah. Time's a resume. When I actually dated a lot of girls early on that weren't really hardcore fitness chicks. And my thought process back then was,

Starting point is 01:42:35 I'm so obsessed with the gym that I don't need a partner who also is, and so having a girl that was more balanced and didn't really care about that. But then I realized too that over time, when'd be dating them, like I had my moments a weakness. And if I have those moments of weakness where I'm like, Oh, let's go eat this or let's, Oh, let's take that. Like that girl that doesn't care about working out was like, yeah, like pulling me in that

Starting point is 01:42:59 direction so much. And I realized, Oh wow, here's a cigarette. Even being the, it's like, Whoa, wow. Here's a cigarette. Even being the, even. Wow. It's like, whoa. I was thinking a slice of pizza. You think I was dating Justin. I mean, I've met him. That's so. He has met him, bro.

Starting point is 01:43:14 You've known each other for a long time. He hit the nail on the head, didn't he? But yeah, I think having a partner, man, to help you stay in line. 100%. It's so, it's such a big difference. I don't know how many times Katrina, what's beautiful is when you're aligned like that,

Starting point is 01:43:28 everybody is- Yeah, one's off, the other one's on. Yeah, the other one's on. And so then she's like, oh, let's have a burger. And I'm like, no, then we don't. It's like, man, having that partner who's doing that with you makes a huge difference. Our next caller is Nicole from Arizona.

Starting point is 01:43:42 Hi, Nicole. Hi, guys. How you doing? What's happening? This is, well, this is really cool. Sorry. I'm geeking out a little bit right now. Sorry. All right. How are you guys? Good, good. What can we do for you? So my question is regarding how I've gotten stuck with my squat and deadlift. I wonder if you guys have any advice for someone who tends to pinch their sciatic nerve when they're squatting or deadlifting. So I've been working out for a while, but consistently I've been weightlifting for a couple years. I discovered you guys over a

Starting point is 01:44:16 year ago and started anabolic and it's amazing. I can't believe how strong I've become, but I can officially bench press when I squat and I'm not some freak of nature that can, you know, bench press that much. I'm just that weak with my squat. So when I was a child, I was diagnosed with scoliosis. And it was one of those things that the doctor said I would kind of grow out of. But once I got into my 20s, I noticed that I have back problems. And about once a year, I'll pinch my sciatic nerve. And when I was younger, I would do it doing dumb stuff like unloading the dishwasher. But now that I've learned to kind of focus on my core strength, and I've been working on your guys's programs,

Starting point is 01:44:59 I always do it squatting or deadlifting. And last time I did it with a deadlift and I couldn't work for over a week. I have a hard time like just getting out of bed or lowering myself onto the toilet. It's really painful and it's really scary. So I was wondering if there's anything you guys can help me out with. Just to let you know, I am running Performance now. And I am also utilizing Prime. performance now and I am also utilizing prime. I work on my mobility every day. I go for walks every day. I'm trying to do everything I can to make sure that when I hit 40, I'm not just this immobile person

Starting point is 01:45:35 who has back and hip and all the terrible joint problems. So I'm wondering if you guys can help me because I want to be stronger and I know that I can be stronger. How are the mobility days right now serving you? Can you tell a difference when you're doing them? Or I mean, how do you feel from the mobility work inside performance? So I can tell that my squat depth has gotten better and I actually, um,

Starting point is 01:45:56 do what you've recommended a lot. Adam is when I'm, you know, just watching TV, I'll just sit in a squat position or I'll sit in the pigeon. And it's really helped with my squat depth, but I don't know if maybe it's psychological, but every time I squat, I have this fear and I almost like feel my lower back engage. When I'm squatting, it doesn't hurt, but the next day I feel like it's almost hard to get pants on. Is it still happening? Are you still, is that still happening now through, through performance?

Starting point is 01:46:27 Yeah, it wasn't as bad during anabolic, but now that I'm running performance, I feel like the more unilateral work I do, the worse it's getting. Interesting. So hold on a second. Let's see. Have you had your scoliosis looked at recently or as an adult? Not as an adult. No. Okay. And cause I'd like to know if it's coming from your spine or if it's your sciatica getting pressed on by your piriformis muscle or your hip, because those are two different things, right? You can have the, the issue could be coming from the spine and who knows what could be there if there's a bulging disc, which isn't a big deal by the way. Most people have some kind of a bulge in their disc, or it could be that you start to generate tightness in the muscles that stabilize the hip, and those muscles, the piriformis in particular, will press on the sciatica. So I would get that

Starting point is 01:47:16 looked at. And then have you ever used the foam roller for the piriformis muscle? Do you know which muscle I'm talking about? Like when you sit on a lacrosse ball? Is it when you're laying on your back and you're rolling it back and forth? It's like when you cross your leg, you cross it, you cross over and you're going to roll back on it. Like you're. It's really, you could really, I mean, very easily you Google, um, piriformis foam roll and you'll see pictures on how to do it. And I think that'd be a really good idea. So for some people, so I don't know if it's coming from your spine or your hip, but if it's coming

Starting point is 01:47:45 from that muscle, some people start to develop a stability pattern in their hip, which I'm leaning in this direction because you said something that, that points in this direction, which is that the unilateral work may be making it worse. If it was coming from the spine, then unilateral work would not make it worse. It would be the bilateral work with the heavy. If it was coming from the spine, then unilateral work would not make it worse.

Starting point is 01:48:07 It would be the bilateral work with the heavy load that would cause more of a problem. Typically. Okay. So I could be off, but that's typically what you see. Unilateral work can sometimes make sciatica worse when it's coming from the hip. And when it's the, it's move, it's, it's patterns in muscle recruitment where what ends up happening is because of lack of stability,

Starting point is 01:48:27 the certain muscles stay kind of tensed all the time. Now, if you did a part- Overly aggressively so- Yeah. So if you did a piriformis foam roll, you would know. You get on that muscle and be like, oh my God, there it is. In fact, do you get a lot of relief from pigeon and similar stretches in your sciatica? I do. Yes. I like the, I think it's similar.

Starting point is 01:48:50 I like sitting in a chair and then doing my leg sideways and pressing down on my knee. That really helps. Oh, you're basically going to do that on the foam roller. That's what that is. But you lean on that hip of the leg. It juggers that spot. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:01 So the leg that's up, I don't know if you could see me here, but the leg that's up, that's the side that I'm stretching, right? So then what I do is I'm sitting on a foam roller, like I'm sitting on a log and then I lean, I lean on the side that's stretching and then I slowly roll down until I hit the piriformis muscle and you can look that up so you see where it's at and you'll feel it right away. Have you done any deep tissue massage? Um, I have. And the, the,

Starting point is 01:49:27 when I have the massage in my leg area, it usually causes the tear drops. They usually I'm not crying, but try doing what Sal is saying right before you do like a squat or deadlift and see if that dramatically makes a difference. Yeah. Cause so what it's going to do is when you press on like deep tissue massage does this too, when you press on a muscle. And so what's happening here, when I'm sitting on,

Starting point is 01:49:53 when I'm doing this cross-legged stretch, okay. I am stretching the piriformis muscle. So I'm opening it up. Then when I lean on the foam roller, I press on it. And what this does is it sends a signal to the central nervous system to relax the muscle. So this is why when you get a massage, you have a knot, they press on that knot and then you get release and the

Starting point is 01:50:11 knot kind of goes away. It's not like there's a literal knot. It's literally the muscle is kind of tensed. The central nervous system reacts to the pressure initially by tightening up a little bit, but then it relaxes. By the way, to encourage this, deep breathe while you're in that painful position, because you're gonna wanna hold your breath.

Starting point is 01:50:27 It's gonna be painful. And this is a practice you wanna continue, like before your workouts, and this is actually one of those situations where you need to unlock the ability for you to move and to feel like you're not, your body's not overcompensating trying to make up for that lack of stability, so it allows you to actually

Starting point is 01:50:45 do the unilateral train, do the multi-planar type movements to strengthen it. So you got to, you know, slowly, gradually build back that strength and support system. I would do the foam roll thing that I'm saying twice a day and I would do it before my workout. It won't take you more than five minutes. And what this will do is get the central nervous system to kind of get out of the way a little bit so that you don't revert back as easily. We call it the overbearing mother. Yes.

Starting point is 01:51:10 That's great. That's great. A great analogy. So that your body doesn't revert back to these patterns where you start to, you know, cause these, these issues. Do you have MAPS Prime Pro or just Prime? Just Prime. Okay.

Starting point is 01:51:24 Also on the mobility days, I'd like for you to do the 90 90 drills that we have in prime pro. But only if you foam roll your performance, otherwise you'll make things worse. So you got to do the foam rolling and then do the 90 90 drills. And that should help with stability in the hips because I think that's what's happening. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much guys. No problem. We'll send that over to you. Thank you you guys

Starting point is 01:51:47 are amazing I really appreciate it you have no idea what you've done for me especially since I'm gonna be rounding 40 soon and you guys have really changed my life with what I'm capable of now and I really appreciate that. That's awesome. You look like a baby by the way. I know how I look. Thanks Nicole. You look great. All of you look great. Thank you Nicole. Thanks for lying.

Starting point is 01:52:11 Appreciate it. Thank you guys. You have a great day. Bye. The sciatic, just for people listening, the sciatic pain coming from the hip sucks, it hurts, it can last a long time. I've almost, I haven't almost- Is this so common?

Starting point is 01:52:23 I haven't almost 100% success record with people when it comes from the hip. It's like such a. So much pure form is like overacted. Yeah, dude. I can almost always fix it if that's where it's coming from. A big part of why I couldn't do the deeper than 90 was because of that. Once I did get all the mobility work and got to a point where I could deep really, squat really deep and comfortable, it's completely gotten rid of it. Yeah. By the way, for people watching and listening, like, you know, the, the, the discrepancy or the difference between this coming from the spine

Starting point is 01:52:49 and the hip is profound. And if you don't know the difference, the application could actually make things worse. If this is not coming from her hip, um, then, uh, the, what I'm saying wouldn't really help. Um, uh, and the unilateral stuff would help low back stuff. But the fact that the unilateral stuff was hurting her tells me it's coming from the hip stability.

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