Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2316: How to Spot a Horrible Online Trainer, the Best Workout to Do When Pregnant. How to Lift Weights for an Iron Man & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The value of the workout is NOT about the calorie burn. It’s about the adaptation. (2:22) Mind Pump Live is BACK! (11:05) Doug is a funny bear. (13:16) Having self-awareness and focusing on what you’re good at. (18:45) Caldera works for ALL skin types. (23:40) Acquired savant syndrome. (26:55) How people get misled by articles about economics. (33:31) The misconception that money equals happiness. (35:38) Conspiracies, another way to divide us? (42:00) When the party vibes get weird. (49:25) Joy Mode is the BEST pre-workout for pumps. (54:42) Shout out to the Mind Pump Newsletter! (57:31) #ListenerLive question #1 - At what point do personal athletic pursuits become complicated and demanding enough that it becomes worth it to hire a trainer? (59:03) #ListenerLive question #2 - I'm keen on leaning out even more, aiming to lose another 15-25 lbs., but I'm stuck on how to do it without risking setbacks or losing my progress. Any tips or guidance? (1:14:53) #ListenerLive question #3 - How can I approach people on the gym floor and start talking to them to try and sell them personal training packages? Are there any strategies or tips you guys have used that you found successful? (1:24:16) #ListenerLive question #4 - What is the best workout program during the rest of pregnancy? (1:35:54) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order of their best products ** Visit Joy Mode for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order** April Promotion: MAPS Anywhere | MAPS HIIT 50% off! ** Code APRIL50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1517: The No Cardio Way To Train Your Body To Burn Fat Come see and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details.  Is house dust mostly dead skin? | Live Science The Mystery of Sudden Genius | Psychology Today Post by Sal Di Stefano on X - Middle class Americans own less wealth than the top 1% Dan Bilzerian Says Monogamy is Better Than Sleeping with Thousands of Women Secret Tunnels Were Built Under The Playboy Mansion In The 1970s American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders – Netflix Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Mind Pump Newsletter Create a Living Trust for free – in minutes! Dynasty Trusts | GetDynasty Mind Pump #1927: Performance Training Secrets From A Top NBA Trainer With Cory Schlesinger Mind Pump #2275: The 8 People Most Likely To Overtrain 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Exclusively for Mind Pump Listeners, NASM is offering their CPT (Certified Personal Trainer) Premium for the Price of Self-Study ($899) usually $1,249. Get All Inclusive for the Price of Premium ($1179) $1899 $151/mo. Mind Pump #1375: How To Train Before, During & After Pregnancy MAPS Starter   Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jason Phillips (@nci_ceo_jason) Instagram Dan Bilzerian (@danbilzerian) Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength) Instagram

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Speechless. So common. Yeah. Well, we had a caller who asked us about whether or not he should add back in the calories that his, I think it was my fitness pal was showing him that he was burning with his workouts. And Adam, you know, very quickly was like, no. I think it was my fitness pal was showing him that he was burning with his workouts.

Adam very quickly was like, no. The margin of error for that is big anyway. Then on top of it, you're trying to calculate how many calories you're burning and replacing is terrible. That's not a good strategy. That just made me think about how people value workouts for so long. We look at workouts as a way to burn calories, but it's such a terrible approach because the body, first off, adapts very quickly to the calories being burned.

And even if it didn't, if you were able to maintain that, it changes other behaviors to offset it. And it ignores the most important aspect of exercise, which is what does this get your body to do with adaptation? And then what does that mean? This is why people have devalued strength training for so long is because people looked at it and said, oh on an hour per hour basis it doesn't burn a lot of calories. Totally missing out on one of the most effective forms of exercise for fat loss, body sculpting, and

longevity. Still a little empathetic towards people that think that way though because think about all the industries that popped up you know banking off of that information like your circuit training and all of these, you know, franchises that really promote that, like this is how much we have to burn and you got to sweat and you got to, it's just a constant elusive target that you're always trying to manage. And it's really, really not controllable in terms of like, it's not a good long-term strategy, obviously. At all. Do you think that it's the same strategy

as like the pre-workout market, where it's like the reason why that's such an effective way of marketing is the sweat and the burn is because the feel. You feel it. Just like how pre-workout throws all kinds of shit in there. The most effective thing is obviously the caffeine in there, but it's like, let's throw all this other stuff that makes your skin tingle, your face burn, and like sweat. Right. And so it's like, so do you think that's why that's been perpetuated is that like when people push really hard sweat really hard, they attribute that to like,

I think that's part of it. The other part of it is now for decades we understand that if you want to lose weight you have to burn more calories. It's created a calorie deficit. What that does is it insinuates that the value of activity is the calorie burn. It's like, well, if I'm going to do two workouts a week or three workouts, average person, I'm going to do three workouts a week. Here are my choices. I could cycle.

I could swim. I could go on an elliptical. I a week. And here are my choices. I could cycle, I could swim, I could go on elliptical, I could lift weights, I could do yoga, I could do Pilates. What does the average person do? What's the calorie burn on each of those for an hour? That's the one I'm gonna pick because that's the most value. That's actually the least valuable thing of a workout is how many calories you burn.

Now, activity itself is healthy. Moving is healthy. And there's lots of reasons why it's good for you that have nothing to do with the calorie burn, but the most important thing is adaptation because that's what sticks around. So some forms of exercise, the way you adapt is you become more flexible, other forms of exercise will improve your stamina and endurance, and other ones will build strength and muscle. Now what you want to do is look at the downstream effects. All right, what happens if I build muscle?

Oh wow, I burn more calories on my own. I have a faster metabolism. I'm more insulin sensitive. I have a greater storage capacity for sugar and carbohydrates. I have more mobility. Well, it looks like when you look at the actual adaptations, well, if I'm only gonna work out three days a week

and I wanna be lean, fit, and healthy, strength training crushes all of them. But because we were so focused on calorie burn. Yeah, well look at the calorie burn from a strength training crushes all of them. But because we were so focused on calorie burn. Yeah, well look at the calorie burn from a strength training workout. You burn barely any calories lifting weights properly. So people aren't gonna value it with that type of mentality.

An hour of running's gonna burn three times as many calories as an hour of proper strength, not circuit training or weird stuff, but actual proper strength training. But when you look at it over a five month period, like which one's gonna make you leaner, sculpt your body, balance your hormones out more effectively in a time for time basis, it's going to be strength training. I'm glad you brought that caller up because I wanted to extend that conversation, especially considering that a lot of the audience probably

won't listen to the, I know we have a split audience that listens to the live callers and then some people that just listen to the front half. But I think it's a good conversation that I don't recall we've had in depth of like what should you track, what should you not track when it comes to these apps and tools. And so I thought that was a really good question that he asked and of course I had a very quick answer but I think it's important that we explain a little more the logic behind that, or at least my thinking behind why I don't want somebody to try and add it.

Because all these great apps, they're becoming more sophisticated, right? Some of them you can wear in the water now that'll track your swimming calories burned. If not that, then they have estimations. If you were rowing for a half hour at high intensity, it's this. If you were biking, it's this. If it's mountain climbing, it's this. And so they have all these algorithms

to guesstimate how many calories you burn. And to your point, yes, of course. First of all, you're valuing the least valuable thing about the workout is the calorie burn. But I also, the reason why I say don't do it is just because there's already lots of room for air. And so I really want my client, if they're going to use these tools, and I would loop in body fat percentage and scale and all these things, it's like we want to use these as a guideline,

but not a truth. Right? Like it's not the end. Like your scale- Even the most accurate thing that they have, which is telling you how many calories and macros a food has, even packaged food, even that, there's an error, a margin for error that's allowed. Right. That could be as much as 10%. And so the more things that you add into this formula

of how much did I eat and burn. It's just a data point, yeah. The greater the possibility of air is there. And so I'm going, okay, I only want, what I want is steps and the calories that you're eating, right, or the macros that you're eating, which it calculates out to the calories. That's it, because those are the two big rocks, I feel like.

I feel like if I know what your macro breakdown and total calories are, I have a relatively good idea of your steps, which gives me a good insight into your activity. I don't care what it was. I don't care if 10,000 of your steps was half running, half walking throughout your day or all the above. It gives me an idea of what your day-to-day and your weeks look like, which then from a coach perspective, I know how to adjust the macros. If you're varying your different activities and then trying to use an app to guesstimate

what your metabolism is burning in those activities based off of what you think is intense or not intense or the durations, like man, you're really adding way more to this equation that I need. Yeah, and what you wanna look at is am I losing body fat? Am I losing muscle? Man, you're really adding way more to this equation that I need. You're going to confuse yourself. Yeah. Too complex. What you want to look at is, am I losing body fat?

Am I losing muscle? Am I gaining muscle? Am I stronger? How do I feel? Because, and data will show this as well, if you had a week of poor sleep, everything else is the same. Activities stay the same, calorie deficits stay the same, food stays the same, but you just had poor sleep.

You will now lose the weight that you lose, 50% more of it will come from muscle than from body fat, just from poor sleep. We have studies that show this. So your metabolism and the way your body reacts to deficits and calories or surpluses is greatly influenced by so many different factors that just looking at, oh I burned 500 calories, therefore I got to replace it with food. Like no, no, no. How do you feel?

Are you stronger? Are you losing weight? Are you gaining weight? And then let's adjust as we move along because things change as you move along. And your body adapts, by the way, even if everything stayed the same, even if your life was identical, your body adapts to the activity that you do so that

it's not the same, it doesn't react the same. That's why you gotta add weight or change the workout. Otherwise things stop or halt in terms of progress. So it's very important that you really pay attention to how you're reacting, how you feel, and don't get so caught up in these, I mean, you know, cardio machines. This is how they would sell cardio machines

to gyms back in the day. You don't see this as much anymore today, thankfully, but. Right. That was a competitive talking point at the, you know. Yeah, which piece of equipment burnt the most calories Yeah, it was the most. Oh this new piece of cardio. Did you see how many calories burns per hour? You know, that's the one I'm gonna use. I don't know. It doesn't really work. It doesn't really work that way Anyway, I'm excited to to go to Vegas with you guys to do a live event

Yes, I'm a Perfect place for it. I'm pretty yeah, I'm proud of us this year, right? That was the goal is to start getting back to getting, I mean now that- Meeting people. Yeah, now that all the COVID dust has finally settled and everybody's back to traveling and doing their thing, I'm excited to get back.

I mean, we just got back from Orlando. I tell you, man, every time I do those trips, it's so rejuvenating. You know, like I mean, we just got back from Orlando. I tell you, man, every time I do those trips, it's so rejuvenating. You know, like I just, and I'm a bit on a high for a couple of days. It takes me a bit to kind of wind and come all the way down and it reminds me of, you know, why we do this stuff. And what's really cool is like early on,

I felt like a lot of the live events, we got, you know, just normal people that were coming that were listeners where I feel the shift of like mostly coaches and trainers. Now I feel like we're seeing more and more coaches and trainers. It'll be interesting when we do this live event in Vegas, which I think is a great, to your point, Justin,

meeting point. Like I think that's an easy- He doesn't want to go there. Yeah, easy airport to get in and out great, to your point, Justin, meeting point, like I think that's an easy. He doesn't wanna go there. Yeah, easy airport to get in and out of, easy excuse of, hey, why don't I go stop by and see those guys, because I wanted to go to Vegas anyways. So I'm really curious to see,

and the last time we put on, by ourselves, a big event like this. It's been a while, right? Was Ohio, before COVID. Was right when COVID hit, was Ohio, and it was one of our biggest events. It reminds me of working in gyms when I meet with people. That's the one thing we lacked or we missed doing this

is we don't get to see the people that we're impacting or working with. So these live, that's why I feel rejuvenating is it brings me back to when I would train clients and work in gyms. Like you get to see the person's face and hear from them what's working, what's working what we did right or wrong otherwise we're just talking you know to the camera this is potential to be one of the how do you

know what the room size is do you know how many available seats and tickets over 200 people okay over 200 so it's in its June 15th this year June 15th Bellagio mind pump live comm so you go oh we have the website set up already yeah oh good oh Oh good job team. Dude, I gotta tell you guys, speaking of travel, so, forgot to tell you guys this last time. So we're out in Orlando,

and you know, Doug and I typically share a room, and I know you and Justin typically share a room. And I'm in there, and you know, we've all been working together now, what, nine years now has it been? Yeah. Yeah. How many times have we seen Doug lose his shit?

Like once maybe. A handful. Yeah, maybe. Once or twice. Like it's very rare. I think it's two times. Yeah, but when you see it, it's like, he's the nicest guy in the world, okay, period,

end of story, one of the nicest people you ever meet. But when he gets angry, it's scary. It's a little frightening. He doesn't have a medium. No, bro. It's the damn thing. Full throttle, huh? Bro, we're in the room and we're sleeping.

And I don't know what happened that somebody set our alarm to 6 a.m. Which is 3 a.m. Pacific by the way. That happened to you guys too, right? Yes. So my theory is that... Right. Left before then. Because they come in and clean the room.

It's so easy to set it and turn it on and off that the cleaners... Was that the default, 6 a.m.? It must be because it was in my room. My room did the same thing too when doug came down that morning and told me i was like oh shit mind it too so the night before doug already had poor sleep so he's already like yeah we were up with trainers till 11 p.m at night like we did the live event and like usual we hung around with everybody for an extra what three hours or more or whatever and so we were up all night mind you you, we're also on California time, to Doug's point, so we're like.

And travel and all that. Yeah, the three hour difference. And so we're hitting the sacrifice. So that night, Doug got poor sleep. I got the okay sleep, but he was, I remember he woke up and he's like, oh, I had terrible sleep. And that's when we were teasing him

because he tried to sleep in or whatever. So anyway, that night we go to bed and Doug's like, hey Sal, do you have anything for sleep? So I'm giving him like, try this supplement, it'll help you. And he's, we're all ready, room's all dark, ready to go, go to bed, whatever. Anyway, I hear the alarm go off,

and Doug turns over and I can hear him like messing with it, trying to turn it off. And he can't figure it out right now. I'm like, oh cool, he's got it, so I'll just keep my eye mask on and stay quiet over here. So I hear him trying to fuck with it, right? And then I hear him, I hear the,

you know when the Doug meter goes, beep, beep, beep, right? So then I hear him go, fuck, fuck, fuck, and then I hear him try to fuck with it right and then I hear him I hear that I hear the you know You when the Doug meter goes we be right so Fuck fuck fuck and then I hear him stand up and I hear him hitting the fucking And then I hear him trying to rip it off the wall And I hear go sure I hate this fucking hotel fucking and I hear him ripping it off the wall, bro And I hear him ripping it off the wall, bro. And I'm like, I'm gonna pretend like I'm sleeping too. I don't wanna get in the way of this. How do you finally figure it out when you're sleeping? I didn't figure it out.

I hit snooze. Oh yeah. And so it stopped and then 10 minutes later, it went again. That's when he got up. He was trying to rip it off the wall, bro. Like I could hear him like struggling. I mean, so the night before that,

I had woken up around 3 a.m. and I could not go back to sleep. And so I was under slept going into that night. And then, okay, you wake me up at 6 a.m. and then I hit the snooze button, not knowing, cause I couldn't see anything and 10 minutes later. So I just knew my morning was ruined. Yeah.

You know, and I'll be the first to acknowledge that I'm a real bear if I don't get to sleep, all right? He's a funny bear though too, like the way he is when he gets upset because I didn't, so he comes down, he, so Justin's gone, right? Justin took off at four in the morning. So Justin leaves at four in the morning, I hear him get up at four, my alarm goes off at six.

So you're woken up at four, you're woken up at six, and then I agreed to go down and meet So there was issues right some of these trainers very nice of you didn't make the live event And so the flights were all because the flights because they had like hurricane weather there and Jason was like dude these people Were literally coming to see you guys more than my event, you know, would you hang around? I'm like, oh man, we all got I said Justin's out at four in the morning I said Sal's got to go to Texas and do an interview. I said, well, you know,

Doug and I could possibly come down there. And so I said, I'll show up, you know, so I could be there for our people and stuff. And so, yeah, that was at what, 730 or eight? 730, I think. Yeah, so 730 or so, right? So, you know, I rolled down there and Doug's on there and I could see he's still fuming from that. He's telling me the story. I'm sure that happened to me, too

He's like you can see him. I'm gonna file a complaint But just hearing him thinking against the wall and I hear him and I hear him going fucking hotel You know just pretend to sleep I've got a knowledge that they have very solid alarm clocks in those And I'm like, oh shit. You know how to just pretend to sleep? Like, ugh. Like, ugh. I've got a knowledge that they have very solid alarm clocks in those rooms. They're like, they're all taped down. Definitely one of my least favorite hotels. What would you have done with it if you ripped it off,

all it's thrown on the floor, gone back to sleep? I was willing to crush it. Seriously. I mean. Yeah, King Kong that thing. Oh, that's so great. It's a good time. Yeah, no, he's funny when he gets mad because it doesn't happen very often.

It doesn't happen very often. He's different than the rest of us the way he acts with it, so. You probably get mad the most, I would say. That happens regularly. Probably second is me. Justin doesn't get mad that often. I haven't been mad in a while.

When was the last time that we got into it? We actually talked about this. Well, not when we got into it, but you getting mad. Well, what kind of level of mad? There's levels to this, isn't there's like give it irritated. There's like that's it. They're fired fresh There's that level which you're not coming back with a job. It's like half half serious half bad I'm saying then there's irritated often, but then level like we were really mad not super often I guess yeah, I don't think it's I think it's been a while. I can't even remember the last Get out of here with that. I can't even remember the last. What's a week? Get out of here with that.

No, I'm just kidding. I can't even remember the last thing that I was like. You guys just get louder when you talk to each other and one person's frustrated. Yeah, that's enough. I got it. I got it. Dude, I had a little moment of self-reflection in the end.

Oh, god. You got mad at our staff, dude. This guy gets all lit up on our thing. Let me tell you, I think our girls are phenomenal. They are. Katrina and Jerry keep this business afloat when it comes to, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't make any flights,

we wouldn't be able to do any events, we wouldn't be able to host guests, we wouldn't be doing, none of that stuff. No, they're the best. And so I got mad because, I don't remember, oh, because I didn't get my boarding pass, and then they didn't put me in the right line, and I'm supposed to get this, ticket, and that,

and I'm waiting, and I'm like, I'm going to be late, and I hate doing this anyway. And so I'm texting them. I'm texting them back and forth, and I'm kind of like, well, next time do this. And I'm coming across as a dick, and I know it, and I'm doing it. So then I calm down.

Like, what am I doing, man? So I text them both out individually, separately. And like, listen, I'm really sorry. I was total dick. You didn't deserve that. It started the day before. The day before, you were a dick to him when the interviewer messed up the room number.

So when Sal travels, if he's not with one of us, the girls know. They got to be on full alert. Jerry sends an itinerary with them. Jerry sends a message in the morning. Katrina's got her phone on right away, high alert. So if Sal calls, I got to make sure. Phone right next to the bed, make sure we can tell Sal right where his car is at. When is this with stuff like that. So they're already on high alert when

you're alone. And so he's texting first thing in the morning, which by the way, you're texting like seven in the morning, which is four in the morning back in Kelvin. And he's like pissed off. What room is this? Where am I supposed to be? And then come to find out, and I think it was Courtney who shared the, and I should, Lou Pergis, she's part of this, keeping us together too. So Courtney, Jerry, and Katrina really keep us together. And Courtney's like, hey, here's the email,

this is the room number Gabe. And so the guy had like, it was like 1745, and he gave 1475. I was like, it was all messed up. And so- Well, I went up to the floor hella early the day after. I'm already tired. And I go up there and I'm like, this room doesn't exist.

And I go down to the front desk, I'm like, can you bring me to 1477? And they're like, we don't have a 1477. So I'm like, that's when I started like, beee, you know, kind of feeling. I know, dude, I'm sorry. So you lift them up on that day and then the airport, and I'm like, bro, you're first class.

Just fucking walk up to the front, to first class and just they'll take care of I apologize right away within 10 minutes I said I was sorry you know I'm saying anyway good self-awareness though hey listen it is bro and that's also you got to have that self-awareness because in the past I would have justified it I think if I if this was like you know younger Sal well whatever you know they paid him that's her job or whatever type of deal. I had that attitude. But no, I gotta look at myself and I was a dick for sure.

Well I think even Katrina I think has some of the best attitude, in fact she's always talking to the other ladies when they get frustrated with any of us like that. And she's like, why do you get frustrated at that? And they're like, what do you mean? He's a dreamy dork, is this that? It's like, that's job security for you. The fact that he sucks at all those things.

And he keeps talking about me right now. Yeah. Well, I can live to that category too. You know what I'm saying? I definitely, I'm definitely known for coming and getting pissed off. I can tell Katrina's been married to you for a while because she knows how to talk to me.

She's like, you're great at this. Like, this is what you're supposed to do. You're the best at this. I'm like, yeah, right. Adam's coach. Yeah, you know, she's been closing, she's been closing me for 13 years. Yeah, so she does that. Well, she always says that too. She's like's coach. Yeah, you know, she's been closing. She's been closing me for 13 years. Yeah. So she does

that. She always says that too. She's like, he is just like you. You guys are so similar in so many ways. You guys have the same frustrations and stuff. But yeah, no, she does a really good job of like reminding the team that is like, listen, like, that be grateful. I mean, the reason why these guys have outsourced this and are willing to pay you good money full time jobs to basically handle them is because that's what they don't like to do

and they're not good at it. And so what comes with that is sometimes it doesn't work out or there's a misunderstanding or miscommunication. Did you imagine if we had to organize like, It would happen. It would happen. We would give up the money. We would give up the opportunity.

We'd just be like, yeah, forget it. We gotta do that. Too much work. Yeah, yeah, too much work. Let's get there. Yeah, yeah, too much work and effort to get there. Hey, you know what, though, I tell you what, yeah, forget it. We got to do that. Yeah, too much work. Yeah, too much work and effort to get there. Hey, you know, I tell you what, that's a, you know, I talked to business operators all the time and it's like, I think it's a very important skill set. It's the number one advice I always talk about that I was ever given to me, which is,

you know, don't focus on the things that you're not good at. Focus on what you're good at and be fucking great. And I think a lot of entrepreneurs struggle with that. Most entrepreneurs treat their business like their child and their baby, and they're very protective, very part of it. And part of learning to be able to scale to another level beyond yourself is being okay with letting go of these parts of it.

And it's something that I think that- It makes no sense to try to do everything all the time. I mean, look at a successful athletic team. You wouldn't want the quarterback to also be the linebacker, to also be the whatever. It's like, you're good at your job, just do that and do that freaking well. And don't worry, we'll handle the other parts of it.

That's the best way to do it. Plus, it makes your work enjoyable. If I had to do all that stuff. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I'd be pulling my hair out. It'd be absolutely terrible. Anyway, I wanna ask you, Justin, about this. I see you have a note there that says household dust.

Is that referring to how you've cured your ashy skin with caldera? Well, you know what's funny about that? Like 80% of household dust is skin. Skin. Wow. 80? It's high. Yeah. That's gross. that's really feels so much better up my air

filter now I feel so much better we shed way more than I think is that really true fact check that does I think it's true actually yeah 80 that's a lot actually I don't know about the percentage to be honest I mean even if it's over 50 if it's over 50 that's a a lot. Since I brought up Caldera though, you used to have, sorry bro, used to be so dry. It's fine, you can say it. It looks amazing. Yeah, well here's the thing too, and since we traveled to Orlando, and then I went to the desert again,

so I spent like four days or so at the desert, and it just dried me the hell out. You know, just being in that environment, same thing in Truckee, like, and I have to, like, really be intentional about either lotion or, like, you know, adding in caldera. And so it started out in the face, but then I just started rubbing it on my arms

and on my hands, and it makes a massive difference. I do the same thing. And you went to Palm Desert. I went to Utah, which is, like, dry desert land, too. And I'm the same way. I go from one extreme to the other. You know what's crazy about this? By the way, is I have oily skin. which is like dry desert land too. And I'm the same way. I go from one shoe to the other. You know what's crazy about this? By the way, I have oily skin.

So you have dry skin, I have oily skin. You have psoriasis issues. And yours is kind of dry, oily, I think. Yeah, I have like a middle. I'm oily as hell. It works on my skin just like it does on yours. So it doesn't like make me oilier. Bizarre.

Yeah, very strange. Well, some are saying this dust statistic is not correct. It's not 80% skin. It says it's hair, pollen, paper fiber, fiber, soil, things like that, and a very small percentage of skin. Because I was just thinking about that. You know how much dust you breathe in? How disgusting is that that you're breathing other people's bodies? I hope it's not true. Yeah.

Along those lines, do you know how many of us have, do you know we have mites? I think they have mites. We have mites on our eyes and on our look that up Doug. Yeah, I'm almost sure Yeah, we have little critters. Well. Yeah, isn't that when you like? See you can see things moving can't you not the mice bro? What is that? That's those are like a floaters floaters. Yeah, that's floaters. Yeah floaters. Yeah black spots in your eyes No, you could see like little like like movements. Yeah I think that's like I think that's the flute in your eyes. If you close your close your eyes and you like look at a light like long enough like you'll start to see like movement and stuff. That's retinal damage. No I've read

about like skin mics and stuff. Look that up because I think that's true right? Isn't that a thing like like that's why you have to change your pillowcase so often and stuff like that It's disgusting. It's like little spiders. Yeah, so almost everyone has what's called Demodex mites living on their skin That's gross. Yeah little spiders Thanks guys grossed everybody out Maybe my house had 80% skin. Yeah, that's probably it. I mean it just depends right? Justin looks like a powerlifter all the time.

I carry that everywhere I go now though because it's been that game changer for me as far as how I am. And I'm the same way too. I start with rubbing it on my face, on the top of my head, and then whatever's left over my hands I just rub into my elbows and arms. A little goes a long way. Yeah, it does. Doug, I want you to look something up. Justin and I actually were reading about this on our own individually.

We don't even communicating. Have you ever heard of acquired savant syndrome? Can you look that up, Doug? Yeah. Did you, hey, listen. Let me hear it. Because you need to close me on how you have it. No.

Oh, man. If anybody, it should have happened to me, but it didn't. That's the annoying part. Oh, it's like a concussion thing? Yes. Look it up. Read about it. We've seen those in like movies before, right? Where it's like someone has like a head trauma and then all of a sudden they're brilliant or something.

Yes, dude. Oh, it really does happen. I have two examples of it. Maybe Doug can look at this at least. I have a case study for it too. Acquired savant syndrome is the presentation of often extraordinary scholarly skills that can emerge after a non-disabled individual suffers a traumatic brain injury or illness. Traumatic brain injury, yeah.

Okay, so let's go down this rabbit hole a little bit. Doesn't that make you think that that is kind of, like, it's different if you can recall memories or something like that, but if all of a sudden you have this crazy brilliance about you that was like, weird. It's been there the whole time. I guess under my thought process,

it's like there's a sort of a function of your brain that's capable of, let's say, processing high numbers or figuring out these equations or listening to music, and you can break it down, and you can have... I feel like it's dormant, right? Or it's like you don't... In terms of the part of your brain

that you're using primarily is where your focus is. Well, it's almost like... You've heard the stat that we only use like 10% of our brains. That's not true, though. What is it? But it's a low percent. No, you use your whole brain, but it's like, it's not a statistic, but it's like,

basically you're not using your brain to its fullest capacity. Well, so, okay, so let's use that as an example, even though it's not the greatest example. It's almost like we're all using a different 10%, because there's some people that have this extraordinary brilliance in this structure that it's like, it's innate.

They did not like train it in a certain way and they just have it. They have this. I'm gonna tell you about some of these, right? So here's one woman I'm reading about. She's, let's see, she woke up from a coma and spoke fluent French. She'd never visited France before.

See, like how is that possible? She did, listen to this, she did German and French at O level. So she took like a beginner class 30 years earlier. All of a sudden, she wakes up from a coma, and people were, and she had to speak French. She was speaking fluently to the nurses. See, that's weird. Weird, bro.

Then there's another guy who woke up from a, let me read about this guy. He woke up from a driving accident, and he became a piano savant. All of a sudden he could see music in his mind. Yeah. No, but that one. Yeah. So there, how does this happen? There was two, there was this, this guy that, um, he was coming out of a bar and these two individuals attacked him and like, um, basically slammed him into the cement and hit him in the back of the head.

And then he had traumatic brain injury and suffer. I think he was in a partial coma. But yeah, he woke up and he was a brilliant, brilliant mathematician, just all of a sudden. He's like, I hated math. He's like, I avoided it at all costs. All of a sudden now, it just all of a sudden clicked. And he actually started to, and they showed, he started to see the world in mathematical equations

in terms of like the angles, geometric angles and the formulas and he's like, he's putting it all together. He's like, why do I know this? And he was tripping out. It's so weird because the guy that I was talking about who could play the piano, he could play a host of instruments. He's like, I've never taken a music lesson. I've never learned anything.

Yeah. All of a sudden, isn't it weird? It's like, do we acquire knowledge or do we discover it? Is it always there? Right. Are we tapping into something that's out there? Or are you extracting it? This is how, how about this for a theory is our, our heads are just an antenna.

And then by banging your head like that, you just, you just switch your, like, like when we were kids, like when we were kids you had to hit the TV. I don't know, it trips me out though here and stuff like that because it makes you really like trying to... How do you explain that? You have to, you either have to breathe some crazy radical thing that you're, you know, you're the third person to use this body or whatever like that, or that you're an antenna just getting some information from somewhere else How sad if you're listening right now and you're like I hit my head and I just I can't see straight Yeah, don't go try this at home everybody

So since you both kind of look read, is there, like how many cases? Super rare. It's like super, super rare. It's documented but it's super rare. And they don't have any idea. What are the theories behind it? I'd love to see. Yeah, that's what I wanna know.

I wanna hear what the doctors are saying. Like what are the theories? There are emerging data that when the left anterior lobe of the brain involved in language, emotional regulation, social skills becomes less Responsive due to the damage the parts of the brain involved in visual processes become more responsive So so that would be allocating. Yeah, but that okay, so that would explain somebody who like Never played music and then also they can see music and now they learn to play that would not explain The girl who wakes up in is speaking French fluently.

I know, especially if she hasn't been influenced by that or been in an environment where everybody's speaking. That's what I mean, or the guy who's never, like never is. That doesn't make any sense. It also talks about how some people with a certain type of dementia, fronto-to-moral dementia, like this person says that they've seen dementia patients

without prior artistic talent blossom into excellent painters, sculptors, and gardeners. Man, there's so much we don't know about the brain, which leads me to really skepticism over whether or not we can make machines intelligent. We don't know how the brain, we don't have any clue how the brain really does half the stuff. And we're gonna try and make a machine smart

right now it's just gonna be a super sophisticated Google it's not gonna be I'm gonna turn into a demon like what's a bit of a leap but yeah I know you like Justin's AI Satan like you theory you, maybe like every great civilization come really close and then there's this major disaster that stops it. We're going to be when we're all like, Oh no, just to be like, I told you, a lot of goodness done is no safety Skynet. Hey, I want to bring up an article that I think a lot of people get misled by Reports on economics. I'm gonna bring up this article that talked about how I think a lot of people get it misled on all articles

Yeah, well, this is this is a big one because you'll see more and more of this in This year because it's a election year and the title of the article says the top 1% of American earners Now own more wealth than the entire middle class. Oh, you're bringing that article up. I'm running you tweeted about that. I did. You tweeted it.

I shared it with you first. Jackie shared it first. Yeah. And then you tweeted about how this is ridiculous because it's not how the economy works. No, no. So if you hear that title, right? So the top 1% of Americans have more wealth than the entire middle class. What you think is that all of the wealth, it's this pie of economic wealth.

And if this people over here have more, then these people over here have less. But that's not how economics works. The way economics works is the entire pie grows. That's right. Now the challenge is if you have a certain amount of wealth, your wealth is probably gonna grow faster than somebody with less wealth. The easy example would be if Adam and I invested money

in the stock market with the same exact stocks, he put 10 grand, I put 100 grand, we both grow 10%. I'm gonna get more money than he will, just 10% of 100 is way more than 10%. And to continue that example, simultaneously, that those wealthier have more money than the middle class there, there's more people that were poor that are out of poverty now.

So to your point of it's growing, and so yeah, it's totally an alarmist. It's an alarmist thing, but that's going to happen in market economies. And to try to balance it out, what you end up doing is crushing the whole thing Yes, what the with the data shows? Yeah, exactly. No, I thought there's no way to balance it out You want the you want that kind of growth and it just it just works out that way But it doesn't mean other people have less it just means

You know the one percent of more money to invest more money to take risks on and it's gonna grow They're gonna get more money than everybody else because of the amount of money they already have. I'd also love to see a study go right alongside that of happiness with those people too. Oh. You know, there's this mis- Everybody thinks he's just so happy.

I know, there's this misconception of like, oh, if you have all this stuff, or you have all the money that you're so much happier than these these other people it's like happiness is an internal thing dude it's not it's not external it's not a level of toys or money there's a point where once you have security and enough to survive that that diminishes rapidly and in fact it and this is for sure it everything that I've read or seen and in my experience, some of the wealthiest people are some of the most miserable fucks.

I've met way, way happier people that make an average amount of money but are happy from inside. It's so weird how we place certain people on a pedestal like Marilyn Monroe's a good example, right? Oh my God, she's an icon, all these young girls. Oh, she's so awesome, all these women. Oh, she's an icon. All these young girls. Oh, she's so awesome. All these women.

Oh, she's amazing. She was abused, then she did drugs, then she died at a young death because of the abuse. Why are we idolizing this character? It's wild. We do this so often with wealth and fame and power and pleasure. We look at these people and we go,

oh, that person's so awesome. They died at 26 from a drug overdose. They were so tortured that they killed themselves. Why are we idolizing? It's crazy to me. Look at the staff. We have kids who are talking about this and I've actually been meaning to look this up.

What percentage of drug and alcohol abuse happens in rich and famous people? Like something along those lines. Maybe you. Oh, wonderful. Like, what would you, how would you word it? Wealth and drug addiction. You're a better Googler than I am.

What would you Google? Googler. You are a better Googler. Sal's the best Googler here. That's how I'm gonna dress up for Halloween. Master Googler. The Googler. Yeah, I don't even know if you would have data like that.

I would guess that wealth is not connected to it because oftentimes the skills associated with doing better are also skills of being able to restrain and whatever. Absolutely. Delay gratification. Yes, but it doesn't mean the money is what gives them happiness. So maybe famous. So look up famous people.

So that's a different monster. So maybe look up how much alcohol and drugs are abused in famous people. That's a great example. I wonder how many parents today, if they had the opportunity to have their kid be famous, would take that opportunity because of the money, even though we know for a fact that the vast majority of kids that become famous end up really messed up. Really messed up. Like it's one of the worst, if you have kids, one of the worst possible things that could

happen to them is they become famous. Terrible idea. If you just look at the data. Yeah. Like that is the worst thing that could happen to you. One of the worst things that could happen you know the worst things that I bet to your point about you know the disciplines that it takes to become very wealthy it requires delayed gratification sacrifice for future you stuff like that and so those are all

good behaviors yeah probably a very lower percentage of drug and alcohol abuse but fame so athletes singers stars people like that, where there's this windfall of money at once, the abuse of drug and alcohol I bet is extremely high. Well, it's fake love, right? Fame is like empty love. I could imagine how that would really destroy, especially a young person. You have all this attention and then you lose it

and then is it real? That's gotta be torture. Do you think you ever went through a phase in your life where you sought after that or you thought you wanted that? Or did you guys ever admire? Like, you know, I never was into famous people. I'm so, like, people, I get teased all the time when someone's just like, they say a name

that's like an actor or actress, and I'm like, who's that? How do you not know who that is? The most person that, I'm like, I just don't follow that stuff very much. Like, were you guys ever like that? I was never really interested. I mean, the closest probably for me was musicians. Bands.

Yeah, just because I was doing the thing back then. It was more for me as a passion. Yeah, I feel like that's different, because it's like you're admiring their craft, and you're pursuing that same craft. And so that's a little different. That's almost like smart. Like, it's like it would be smart for if I was a new trainer to admire really good trainers

and pay attention and follow them, not because I want to be them. What are they doing in their lifestyle and their marriage and their kids and you know, how are they eating? What are they eating today? Yeah. I don't give a shit. What you got Doug? I'm not getting any real stats as far as how many percentage I am not But you know it is an issue in Hollywood for sure drug and alcohol abuse And I mean there's a number of reasons listed of course highly competitive lots of pressure lots of harsh criticism child stars being thrown into an adult world child stars in

Particular I wonder why that's a like if that's a hard stat to find. That should be a really easy stat to try. But I think, you know, more than the average person probably. You know, the philosophers and spiritual leaders would say, I brought this up before that, they would refer to it as sin or mistake, right? That it leads to bigger sins. So it's like, oh, I'm getting some fame. I want more of it, I want more of it, and it tends to lead us down this path of, it's like rock stars with, like, their sexual exploits. It's like, oh, I can get this many,

oh, I want more, I want more, I want more, next thing you know, they're doing, you know, crazy stuff and still feeling totally empty. Like when Dan Bilzerian came out, he just recently, he's like, yeah, that wasn't as cool as I thought it would be. Yeah, monogamy. Yeah. He's pro-monogamy.

I think that's great. I think that's so hilarious. It's so good, though, that wasn't as cool as I thought it would be. Yeah, monogamy. He's pro-monogamy. I think that's great. I think that's so hilarious. It's so good though. It's so good for full circle. And I'm glad that he came out and he at least said that and admitted that because you have so many probably young boys that follow him and like, that's what I want.

I wanna have the ya and the chicks all over me every day. And it looks cool. There was a time for sure in my 20s where I remember when we first went to Onnit and I remember walking in there going like, man, when I was 20 as a trainer, I was thinking like, this is what I'd wanna build. Like this, just like this, just hot chicks everywhere,

my own gym, work out whenever I want. Everybody walks around, follows me around and say, yeah, do you need coffee? And he's like, I totally would've thought that was sick. I would've thought that that was reaching it. I mean, in my 20s, I did, I believe that, you know? Then you kind of, you realize that that's not all it's cracked up to be.

So it's cool to see that he came out and at least talked about that and admitted that because that's part of his brand when you think about it. That's kind of a, not that the guy needs any money, but it's like a risky thing to say if you've been building yourself as this kind of Hugh Hefner of modern time and you basically come out and say, you're probably better off.

Have you heard the conspiracy around, by the way, Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Mansion, have you heard about that? That there's underground tunnels and that the grotto, it was also a way for them to film celebrities and politicians doing compromising stuff to be used in blackmail. Have you heard about this?

Yeah. Apparently, well, Justin knows. Yeah. Yeah. I mean a lot of these, these parties and I mean, you start looking at it now with different eyes after Epstein Island. And then you see just like, yeah, that's like, like I said before, like that's currency. Like that's, that's something that like, if you're trying to get a role, if you're trying to get, you know, further in that industry, in that career, like some people will take that path where it's like that like, if you're trying to get a role, if you're trying to get further in that industry, in that career, like some people will take that path

where it's like, well, I'm gonna get something on this person, and this is gonna be valuable for this person, so they exchange that information, and then it ruins somebody's career, meanwhile elevating their own, and it's just the whole thing. So I know I'm the least conspiratorial here, right? But I definitely don't doubt that. That for sure happens.

What I'm curious about is to what level and amount. 100% there is manipulative people that are smart enough to see that play and to know to use that, right? Like what I'm more curious about is like how intertwined. How deep is it? How deep is it? It sounds like you don't how intertwined. How deep is it? How deep is it? Is it like?

It sounds like you don't want to know. Yeah, is it like 80%? I think my thought is that I think people just won't believe it. Agreed. It's so deep and it's so far that like, because if you start looking at just the statistics of people that have been gone missing

after being in a state park or like you start looking at all these underground tunnels have you discovered all these underground tunnels and shit in state parks and how it all leads to these these loading docks and bays and things where they can ship people out in containers and you know and you start looking at different like organizations that are for charity but they're helping kids but but wait a minute, you know, like there's, dude, it's just gross wrong, and it's so much to take in that you just wanna push it off.

So, well, to that point, I thought this was really interesting. I saw somebody comment in our private forum about this conversation we're having right now about how the two of you are like the conspiracy guys, and I'm like, I kind of balance this out a little bit to challenge that. And. And I'm like, I kind of balance this out a little bit to challenge that. And their comment was that like, it's just,

this is all bullshit and it's just another way to divide us. And I'm like, I don't understand how these conspiracies, like there's like different levels of conspiracies for me. Like there's like conspiracies that I think are like, you know, political agenda, like conspiracies that try and get you sway left or right. But then there's stuff that's like, it doesn't matter if you're left, right or whatever,'s stuff that's like it doesn't matter your left right or whatever

That's just fucked up and bad and wrong and evil like where is that dividing us? Like I guess it divides good and evil and so and I'd like to be on the good side Well, they'll use conspiracy theories can often be fake too and use them as ways to discredit the other side misinformation campaigns Here's what you need to look in. Area 51 was a misinformation campaign. What programs we've used in intelligence agencies to overthrow other governments. Just look into that. And then look at if they were to do that to the American people from the inside, what that would look like. Just look up Operation Northland. That's a real thing.

I really thought that documentary, the octopus murders did a really good job of, not going crazy deep down, but showing literally the way this reporter had found all the stuff. It's like, I didn't feel like it was far-fetched or reaching to this crazy, I mean, they obviously hit the JFK thing a little bit,

which that was like, that kind of blew my mind to see that. But it wasn't like they spent a lot of time on making that be like the grand. Once they wait a certain amount of years, then they'll come out and admit shit will happen. Like, oh, Martin Luther King, yes. Civil lawsuit, yeah, the CIA killed him. They'll admit that now, that's out there.

JFK, they admit it, CIA killed him. Like that's something they'll say now. If once you have so much time, then they'll come out and be like, yeah, that happened. I think for me it's more like, I'm just skeptical in general of anybody in a position of power, and that's kind of where my... I'm with you on that.

You know, just where I sit. Just someone who sits at. I just sit in that space first, and then just with that mentality, I just kind of wait to see what like, un envelopes from there in terms of like actual evidence. And so like, yes, like most things will bring up like, I've heard of that. I've read about that. Like, I'm not 100% bought into it. You know, as like full blown. Yes, I believe this. I believe that. And I believe aliens. I believe,

you know, but I'm, I definitely have heard of it, read of it, because I'm interested in it, but at the same time I'm sitting back to wait to see when actually all this rolls out. Some of it's just fun. So what, okay, what would you guys do, okay, if your kid said, I wanna be the president, when I grow up? I would've been like, man, I messed up. Yeah.

Why do you want that? Why? Why? I mean, it's kind of like a very popular thing that you see like, you know, like parents are so proud are so proud like oh my kid inspires to be the president like you you've seen these movies You've heard people talk about we've actually elected, you know a common person. Yeah I mean, or do you think we've elected anybody fucking good period? They haven't already been pre-selected

Someone who desires to really rule and have power and it desires that, that's already a self-selection bias for probably more likely than average to be a sociopath. Is that like that person that wants that? I wanna be that person in charge. I wanna be the front guy. That's why it's like an impossible task to defend the person who is in power ever.

I don't care if you're right or left. Like. Well hey, George Washington, he won the Revolutionary War and they said, we'll make you king, and he said no. Yeah, that's. Respectable. That was real. That was amazing. That was real.

Where do you think, when did it start to go the other direction, you think? Where it started to get, because you're probably right. Like the origin of the way we run our government was probably from a very healthy, good place. At some point it started to take a real, like the New Deal, around that time. I think it's always been a struggle.

We've got the intelligence agencies. Yeah, and the press. When was that? When was CIA born? Oh man, the Cold War really ramped shit up. What year is that, Doug? CIA born? Yeah, because between that and the Federal Reserve,

I think those were two major. The Federal Reserve. Fed came first. Major turning points. Yeah, I think those were two major. The Federal Reserve. Fed came first. Major turning points. Yeah, that was a long time ago. FBI, then they did the FBI during, I think it was for alcohol prohibition, if I'm not mistaken.

So, what do you say? Yeah, 1947, the CIA. Yeah, so, and you know, here's the deal. You have a situation. We've been fucked for a long time. Well, you have a situation where you have. Almost 100 years. I think it started well before then.

Yeah. You think even before then. Oh, way before then. Yeah. I mean, like you say, the. That's that was one of the first ones Well, have you ever heard it you ever read about how they voted on that? Yeah, people that were there and out there. It was like a behind closed door handshake private fucking boys club We decided I mean I think it's wild when you think that you people assume that that's part of the government No, that's a private club

Thank you yes exactly no people assume that that's part of the government. That's a private club. It's like federal express. It's not federal, yeah. Exactly. The federal, thank you, yes, exactly. No, I know, but people don't really understand that. Federal Reserve is not the government, dude. That's like, think about this. That's like us having control of everybody's money. The fucking four of us, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, making the deal.

Making the deal. You're gonna borrow from us, we're gonna print it. Yeah, and then, but we all just fall in line with like, oh, our government says this is where it's worth and what we're doing and how we're printing and whatever it is like that. Like meanwhile, it's like anything and everything that's attached to us and what we have going on

is just lining our pockets. A bunch of masterminds though, you know. Did you see, who was it that just, what? What big, man, I wanna, maybe fact check me on this. I forget which big investment firm just dumped, one of the CEOs, one of the biggest investment firms just dumped 100 million of his own money into Bitcoin. What, oh, BlackRock?

Yes, I think it was BlackRock. I think it was the BlackRock CEO. Yeah, look up, yeah, like 100 million of his own. Is it up right now? Well, I mean, you see that, and that makes me get a little nervous of like, what do these guys know now? Well, I mean, you see that, and that makes me get a little nervous of like, what do these guys know that we don't?

Peter Thiel. Oh, it was Peter Thiel? Yeah. He did 100 million? Yes. Well, I think this was somebody else too, actually. Didn't you, I think BlackRock also bought a shit ton of blue boy.

I shared that one with you too. There's, yeah, I feel like there's a... Did I ever tell you guys about the party that Doug and I left early because it started getting weird? We're talking about these Hollywood and whatever parties. I'm not gonna say too much, but we were in Southern California and we were in this, we got invited to this like party. It's part of this like, it was like internet marketing stuff

going on and we're in there hanging out and then people started showing up and the party started to get weird bro. Like, like did he weird? Well like drug, like people started doing drugs, people started showing up, they were dressed kind of weird and Doug and I looked at each other like We should probably leave because this is getting kind of wild. Doug's like now. Let's just check this out Hold on let's just wait a little bit longer. Let's see what happens. It's a little interesting though. You're a big guy I feel safe right now I like what's going on here I was gonna say that part.

I just know all of us too well. I've got the biggest guy in the room right now. I'm okay. I can wait this out. I can wait this out a little bit longer. See how this plays out. We had to get the hell out of there. Do you remember that party, Doug? I do remember it.

That's pre-MAPS, pre-Mind Pump. That was right at the time, 2013. 2013. Yeah. Once the hard drugs started getting to come out and you start people, and then you start seeing people showing up and I could see the people that were coming in and I was like, uh.

Now was that the first time you've been at a party where you've seen something like that? I remember the first time- I've seen stuff like that before, not a big deal, but I got the vibe of the party was like, this is gonna get like, if I don't leave, then I'm gonna see a lot of stuff I don't wanna see, you know, potentially be a part of, so.

When I was, and I won't share the person's name, but it's a mutual friend of ours that we knew is back to a party I rolled off. I already know who you're talking about. And it was in Vegas, and I'm 20, am I 23 or 24, somewhere around that range. And, you know, of course I've've seen drugs and I've been around stuff. I've done parties, but not to this level.

I show up and as I come in, I open the room and the room, it's like a cloud of smoke as soon as I come in. And there's a giant glass table bigger than this table right here. And there's like 12 dudes around and it's, there's piles of like different drugs. Some I knew what they were. Some I didn't. I'd never see it. Just everybody like taking turns partaking in all of it. And that was like the first five minutes that I was there. I was like,

Oh shit. Yeah, I'm not ready for this weekend. I wasn't ready for something like that. That was the first time. And the security guy came up not long after that. Now, obviously in Vegas, that's obviously normal because the security guard was like, basically just getting onto them about the smoke. If it wasn't for the smoke, call the other drugs are okay. It's like, we have neighbors complaining of the flume of smoke that's come out into the hallway. So you guys need to knock it off.

But that was the first time that I'd ever been around that much stuff all in one time. And boy was that comfortable. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, that's a, that's a, when you're not, I don't know, when you're not, when you're not, I don't think that into that stuff, like that was like a really weird, like, what do I do here? Or pretend like I'm doing something, you know what I'm saying?

Throwing it over my shoulder. Throwing it in the bathroom? Yeah. Yeah. You got any Miller lights? Yeah. I'm looking around. You'd be that guy, awkward.

Anybody got chewing gums?. You bring out chewing gum? That was also the first time that I'd ever seen a dude with his French tip painted toenails. And that was what started it for me. So before it became something else. That's when it was like, yeah, it was on like, oh yeah, then everybody ended up doing it later and then it got weird and everything like that, which is why I haven't done it in a long time. But that was something that I was like,

I never remember what is going on here. And he's like, yeah, no, I take care of my feet, bro. And I'm like, yeah, that's like really take care of it. He's like, no, chicks love it. And I'm like, really? And swear to God, we walked down to the pool, like 13 dudes, right? And there's 13 dudes, these guys are all like fit, money,

like jacked, they all got their shit together and stuff like that. And this dude of them, okay, like wased, they all got their shit together and stuff like that. And this dude of them, okay, like was average or bottom average of the guys, okay, that were there in that group. And we walked past the pool and there's like a little group of like, you know,

four or five girls drinking in the pool and they see his feet as well and they scream. Ah! They go over and they grab him, pull him in the pool, hang him all over. Oh my God, I love it. And then I was like, what? Like that movie.

How times have changed. Now you see something like that, you're like, hmm. Yeah. Okay. You're not trying to get chicks, you're trying to come at chicks. No, and then it became popular in the UFC. Like it became a fighter thing. So all the fighters used to point their toenails

and stuff like that. Black, right? Yeah, all different colors, black, blue. I've seen everything, but that was like on the cutting edge of that beard, edgy and different. It was a great conversation starter. It was a great conversation starter for me for a good 10, 15 years. I need to ask, I'm supposed to bring up joy mode today,

but I wanted to ask you guys, have you guys used it as a pre-workout yet? Is that? Yeah, since you've told me that. I like to use it when, for example, if like a day like this where I've had what I consider my limit of caffeine and I don't want to take any more caffeine in and then I want to have some sort of like an up feeling or pump better pump it's the best it's the best I mean of course it's this great for

pumps because it's made for sexual performance but for workouts it's the best pre-workout pump you know encouraging supplement I've used period end of story is it okay so because I know the the red juice can have that effect too because of the beet juice in it. Is it, what is it in the Joy Mode that is different than what's in the red juice that causes it? It's got a really good extract of ginseng, but there's also the nitrites, I think they're pronounced. Maybe you looked that up for me, Doug, if I got that right.

That have been shown in studies to boost nitric oxide more than anything else you could take naturally. Even more than red juice, or even more than beet juice. Beet juice is the most effective natural way. That's the compound that's in beet juice that can do that. Ah, so it's an extraction from beet, so similar. Yeah, similar, and it's very strong. So probably a higher dose.

Higher dose. Doug, look it up, let me try to pronounce it right so I don't mess up. I get a similar, so I would compare the two. I know this is not like a commercial for Organifize Red Juice, but I find Organifize Red Juice and Joy Mode are two of my favorite things to take as a pre-workout

if I don't want caffeine. If I don't want caffeine, but I want kind of this uplifted mood and a good pump in my workout, either Joy Mode or Red Juice, I have found, have you combined them or is that too much? Should I not do that? No, you can take them both together.

I wonder what it would be like if I combined them. What'd you find with the ingredients there, Doug? Yeah, I got vitamin C, arginine, nitrate, L-citrulline. It's arginine, nitrate, so it's a form of arginine that really boosts. So why, if it has the, is L-citrulline, is that not the tingly? No, you're thinking of.

What is that? What's the tingly? Niacin. No, no, no, no, niacin is the hot red. Oh, no, sorry. What's the other one? God, why can't I think of it right now? The tingly.

Beta-al-9. Oh, okay. That's the one that makes your face weird. Okay, yeah, I don't like that at all. It doesn't do it to me, you know that? Oh, man. I can take a big old dose of it. Man, I take some of that,

or it's so strong. It's like spiders. No, yeah, it'll ruin my workout. It makes me, I have to constantly be doing this on my face because it does feel like spiders are crawling everywhere. People love that because they're like, oh, I feel it. Yeah, it feels really weird, bro. Do you remember that cream?

They used to sell this cream that would, it's like to help you with a pump and you would rub it on your skin. And all it did was made your skin hella red. It would make your skin really red. I'm like, what a terrible product. Like I'd rub it on my biceps to work them out. When we first started the podcast,

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Of course, all the excellent timeless info you guys put out is invaluable to me and I'm sure plenty of others. I'll just jump right into it. I'll give a little bit of background. I come from a pretty athletic family, pretty athletic background. My mom played for the US women's national soccer team for a while. My dad was a pretty high level amateur racquetball player. And so I grew up playing sports, a ton, water polo,

baseball. I've always been into action sports too. I'm a big time, big mountain back country snowboarder. And so these days, my competitive team sports days are pretty much over. I'm not doing a lot of high level team sports anymore, but I'm still very into that, like backcountry skiing in the winter, big mountain snowboarding. And over the last like five years or so, I've kind of gotten into some endurance training, which I do with friends.

So like over the summer, I'll train for some sort of endurance event. I've done a couple of marathons. A couple of years ago, I did an ultra marathon. Last year, I climbed up Half Dome. And this year, I'm training for my first Half Ironman. All this to say, I have kept up my athleticism, but I pretty much don't have much of an off season. Since my, through my college years and since my team sports training has ended, I've been

consistently lifting. I've been in the gym. I've probably consistently lifted for about eight years now. So I'd consider myself like late intermediate to potentially advanced lifter. But at around the turn of this year, when I signed up for this 70.3 half Ironman, I kind of realized that I basically took traditional strength training and like hypertrophy training and just mashed it together with athletic training and like endurance training. And I thought, you know, this may be a little too much. I am almost 27 and you guys might laugh at me for this, but I'm kind of at the age where I'm thinking, okay,

I don't quite recover the same as I did when I was 22. So, um, at the turn of this year, I decided I don't know if it's really doing me much good to just train like Vince Durante all day and also try to pull off all these endurance and high-level athletic things that I like to do as a hobbyist as well. So that led me to pick up MAPS Performance Advanced. And I was browsing through the program. I haven't actually dived into it too deeply yet. But I guess my question is summarized kind of like this, between like all the cycling and all the running I do and all the like mountaineering stuff that I do in the summertime and then all of the skiing and like

hiking around I do in the backcountry in the winter. Again, I don't have much of an off season and that ends up being a lot of like high intensity, high volume stuff on the lower body specifically. I guess my question is, is basically how, if at all would you take something like maps, performance, advance, and maybe like alter the volume or split it up into sort of a maps 15 style that is maybe like less volume and intensity condensed into one session and maybe like disperse that kind of throughout a week so that it's less, I'm not like nuking any particular part of my body and I can kind of concurrently train

throughout the whole year using something like an athleticism based split like maps performances. Cause I know there's, I know you guys say like for most people, most of the time, full body one to three times a week tends to be best. But at what point, I guess, does your hobbyist athletic pursuits kind of remove you from that most people, most of the time kind of subset of trainers. It's so interesting that you're asking this question because one of the things off air we were talking about, you know, we're always discussing what programs that we're going to do next.

And there's been so much demand for like maps 15 style program for like other programs, but really doesn't only it only really makes sense for one other style in our opinion. And that's what you're asking right now, which is like a more performance base, but like the micro type workouts. And that would be my recommendation is to build a maps 15 ask program that is taking from map performance. So you have a rotational component, you have unilateral type work, uh, because from, it sounds like you, you got a lot going on all year. And by the way, this is the age, right?

So 27 was torn ACL for me, 28 was the level three sprains on each ankle, then 29 was the Achilles. So I literally was, that was right when I was like figuring this out, only I did it the hard way. So the fact that you're calling in and we're discussing this is you're better than I was.

Yeah. I think too, like, so I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around like your desired structure with this because with MAPS Performance Advanced, there's, we reduced the volume significantly in terms of the weight training. We increased the volume in terms of the skill acquisition. So the volume in terms of the skill acquisition. So in terms of like what athletic pursuits you're trying to pursue or reducing that down to those skills of like rotational strength or power or speed or something like a little bit more specified,

where do you feel I guess your emphasis is in terms of like improving your athleticism or are you just trying to maintain? Yeah, or is this just like trying to smash all your or no just hobbies in just not get hurt, right? Are you at the point where your life where you're like, I'm not trying to become a better snowboarder or better I just want to be healthy and be good at like what's kind of the desired outcome Yeah, so it's I appreciate both your questions there those are both valid I'm constantly trying to improve a little I mean snowboarding is kind of my main thing I do these endurance events for fun

So I'm always trying to get a little better throw some more advanced tricks off of jumps and stuff like that and Dropping cliffs and doing you know a little more technical stuff in the backcountry So I'm always trying to get better there, but by the same token, I want my training to enhance my abilities in other things and just keep my health up, prevent injury, like you said, Adam. And Justin, I did notice, it's funny, I actually wrote in this question right before I picked up Performance Advanced. So browsing through Performance Advanced, I do notice that the volume is greatly reduced

from a strength perspective. And I do think that total body strength, big compound movement strength is a central tenant of athleticism, but so are these rotational components and mastery over your body weight and things like that. So I definitely think however I can apply something like MAPS performance to make myself better is going to be much appreciated of course but I definitely don't need to go you know pump up my deadlift super high or get you know I'm not and with these endurance events that I do in the summer, I'm not out there trying to set any PRs or like go to nationals for the Ironman or anything like that. Um, but it's, it's more just like continuous improvement and using the

training to, uh, stay healthy and, and become incrementally more athletic. I will say not necessarily, you know, make big strides over an eight to 12 to 16 week period, if that makes sense. Well, I mean, the structures there, I guess, is what I'm trying to get at. If you're willing to to sort of go through it as it's laid out, and, you know, where you find opportunities to practice sports specific skill within those days of selecting, like if you're doing rotation or you can actually do two skills, which I recommend. I usually alternate them on those days just so I could put a little more emphasis on that specifically and do the drills associated with that. But in terms of like, I think the 15 style type of training and like doing that continuously

actually works really well in season. And so this is something too, that I know, Corey Schlesinger kind of brought it up is, it makes perfect sense to me, is that we don't really put that kind of attention on maintaining strength throughout the season. And that would be the best dose, you know, to apply before practicing, in doing all the drilling for your endurance events or whatever it is with that. But yeah, in terms of like having an actual off season is the most ideal situation to view that program as your off season training.

And so you're building up and developing these skills and putting attention to them so you can actually improve. Otherwise, you know, we get a little distracted by all these variables that then we have to account for. Danny, how many days a week are you training yourself that is not strength training? What does your week look like? Yeah. So I actually just started this kind of 70.3 half Ironman training block. And so that involves me doing, you know, pretty much low intensity zone two type of stuff, whether it's a swim, bike or run, uh, four to five days a week, and then a more intense

like interval run, interval swim, interval bike twice a week. Um, so that's for right now. So, you know, that's already six, seven days right there. And then in the winter I'm usually skiing anywhere from three to five days a week. So it's a lot, you know, it's a lot of stuff. So here's the deal. So because the two things you need to consider most for what you're doing is one, is your body able to handle all of that stress? Or are you just, are you hitting your absolute max tolerance? Cause what will happen if you're hitting that limit to

causes you'll start to hurt yourself. Injuries are going to start to creep up. So you need to have an off season. Your winter skiing might be viewed as off season. If you did like three days a week of skiing, one day a week of strength training, so three days a week, you don't work out, you know, you could do regular activity. I think that would be a good idea during Ironman training. I mean you're not gonna get away with more than

one strength training exercise a day or one One day of strength training where you're doing maybe four or five exercises I don't think you're gonna get away with any more than that. Danny. Did you listen to the episode? Did you listen the episode we did with Corey Schlesinger? No, so I haven't listened to that one. Oh, you'll like that. Even though it's we're talking.

So he was the at this time, he's now moved on to Texas, but he was with the Suns, Phoenix Suns as their strength and condition coach. And he talked about these micro workouts in season when they're playing basketball that he does. And so even though it's not it's it's basketball it still applies to what you're doing. It's a high intensity type of sport right and so how do you integrate still strength training in there and you'll see he does these micro workouts. So listen that episode you'll enjoy that because this is there is I mean this is like where if you were a client this would be best because

then I'd want wanna be community. How are you feeling every week? I wanna hear from you. It would look like this. It would be like, today I'm gonna do my swim. Before I do my swim, I'm gonna do three sets of this strength training exercise. That's it.

Squats. Tomorrow I'm running. I'm gonna do three sets of this other strength training exercise. That's it. And you would do that like four or five days a week. You could take MAPS Performance Advanced, take the workout and just go through the exercises in order but spread them out throughout the week.

I wouldn't do more than four or five days a week. You could do mobility every day if you want, but you're already training at such, and you said like for most of the people most of the time when it came to full body, you're not most of the people. You're in a small category of people that's training a lot. I've trained Ironman competitors and the amount of volume and training required. Your stress tolerance is very high.

It's just the law. And so adding more strength training on top of that almost always results in injury. So it's not going to bring you any value unless you're really careful with how you apply it. The other piece I was going to say is your sleep. I don't know how good and consistent you are with your sleep, but nothing will get your body to hurt itself faster than not having very good sleep every single night. So that's, and that's the data shows that very clearly. So that'd be the other thing I would pay attention to.

Sure. I tend to do, I'm generally good for like seven to nine hours. I hit my sleep pretty well. But I, I, I'm glad I'm hearing this from you guys in this idea of like one exercise, you know, a day and call it that. We're just like one day a week. Cause I'm, I'm a, I mentioned this in my question, but I'm also a like full time, I'm finishing up a PhD in materials engineering and like run a couple of real estate investing companies. So I got a lot on my plate. I'm definitely like a type A person. Sound lazy, bro. You sound lazy. You just get into it. I know. Honestly, I got to get my shit together. But I meet your criteria for these people that

are likely to overtrain. So if I'm thinking about the long game and trying to figure out how I can continue to do all this stuff into my 80s, 90s, 100s, who knows? Well, even for stuff, you know, into my 80s, 90s, 100s, you know. Well, even for performance. I think it's worth. Yeah, you'll respond so much better if you reduce it down. Yeah, take it off season. Take at least three months out of the year and don't do any of this stuff and I would just do strength training. You got to do that once a year. You're going to start to run into some big problems because you have two options here. Either you voluntarily take an off season or you're going to be forced. So, and again, the injury risk is super high when you're over-trained and or under-slept. Those two things really like your risk of injury is like through the roof. So

I would take an off season every year and I would do just traditional strength training, even a surplus, let your body kind of heal. then when you're in season one exercise a day is what I would do and I would do it at moderate intensity at most. Not high intensity either. In fact you could have a pair of dumbbells or a barbell there at your place and you would just wake up and do you know three sets of an exercise and that's it. Nothing else. Yeah okay awesome and especially as the weather gets warmer I love taking like know, the kettlebells outside and like go to the park with a pull-up bar and just crank out a few like low intensity, um, Yep.

Kettlebell body weight movements. I love that kind of thing. So, That's it. All right. That's, that's very, very good. Get the episode number. You guys, what's the episode number for him? Uh, 1927. 1927. That's what episode. Listen to that, you'll enjoy. 1927? Doug was born.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Nice, all right. All right, good luck, brother. All right, guys. Thanks, y'all, appreciate it. You got it. Just super high achiever.

What a badass. I know. What a badass. Taking on everything at once. I had. I mean, he looked healthy. He did, like like I thought someone like that you would think would be like well just well he's been working out for a long time. He's

got athletic background. His parents are athletes so but that doesn't mean he's not you know he's doing his best and over training is the name of the game when it comes to those sports like almost everybody struggles. I'm so glad we caught him now before he's 30 and he makes the mistake that I made You know, I think that's what happens is you think you think because you can tolerate and get away with it But eventually it's not beneficial you tolerating but it's not moving you for father time is undefeated I know when I trained my triathletes and Ironman competitors I I'll never forget there was a period there where I had quite a few of them I had like four clients that were like high level. And I remember scaling back, nope, too much.

Scaling back, nope, too much. And I scaled back to such a ridiculous low level of volume. And then they started, and then everybody started improving. And I remember being like, okay, I have to really, really. I thought- That's the epiphany a lot of these athletes have to get. Totally. Our next caller is Joe from Utah.

What's up, Joe? Hey guys. Appreciate you taking the time. You got it. How can we help you? Well, I've been trying to lean out for probably a couple of years and haven't really been able to master the food side of things, uh, hit a mental low, probably about six months ago when I saw the scale tip, uh, two 60, which is the

heaviest I've ever seen it. Um, and decided to hire a coach that had been working with a friend. Um, and he'd referred me to, so I've seen some decent progress, uh, down to two 37 and dropped some inches. I've got a better relationship with food, uh, order. I eat it in, uh, that kind of thing. I've increased my Z press, improve my squat form. So we're going to have to do a low bar squat.

Um, but I just feel like I need a little bit more sustainable approach than eat less and move more, which is sort of what's been pushing, uh, now he's wanting me to do about an hour cardio and an hour wait today. And I just don't necessarily have time for that I'm down to about 21 to 24 hundred calories a day we're doing intermittent fasting which I've I

Think I've liked actually because of the sort of hard and fast rule one to eat one to not But it is down to like one solid meal at lunch and then a protein shake for dinner, which is hard not, but it is down to like one solid meal at lunch and then a protein shake for dinner, which is hard. We do about a weekly 24 hour fast and then my workout routines, a five day body part split. However, I'm just getting over a cold. So hopefully we've been doing some compound lifts, maybe five, 10, 15 minutes every day the last couple of weeks.

I'd like to lean out some more. I've got a beach trip in a couple of months. Uh, like to get close for that. And I feel like I need a reverse diet, but I'm sort of scared to do that. Um, so yeah, my thoughts are to how to do that. If that's the right thing to do, think to start maybe anabolic after I, now that I'm done with working with the coach, just like your thoughts, what's next?

So the coach has told you to do all this? Yes. Okay, and you're still working with him? No, he got rid of him. No, I just ended. Yeah, good. Oh, you look good though, bro. Yeah.

Yeah, you're doing good. As far as how lean you are. The coach's advice is terrible. Yeah, yeah. So here's a typical online fitness coach that sucks. Is they'll say, oh, you wanna lose weight, all right, here's what we're gonna do. Cut your calories, and we're gonna have you move more.

And then, oh, you plateaued, we're gonna cut your calories more. We're gonna have you move more. Oh, it's hard feeded to cut your calories. Here's what we're gonna do, we're gonna have you fast, because that means you don't eat any food or any calories. These online coaches really annoy the shit out of me because they don't know what they're talking about. So here's the deal, you got two months for whatever, don't

focus on change, don't try to get in shape for something in 60 days because we got to reverse out of where you're at right now. You're a big dude doing two hours of activity five or six days a week and you're only eating 21 to 2300 calories you said? And then a day of 24 hour fast once a week. No, yeah. We got to back out of that is what we got to do. So what I would do is I would cut the cardio out to start with, keep your calories where

they're at and then slowly reverse diet and bring your calories up while strength training. And MAPS Anabolic is the good call. That would be the MAPS Anabolic would be the program to do. Now here's the deal. You could very well get leaner through this process by simply adding muscle. So if you cut your cardio out right now, maintain your strength. I've been doing that for the last two weeks. No cardio for the last little while. How you been feeling? I think I'm a day or two before I'm 100%. I'm doing good. Okay good. So day or two between before I'm 100%

I'm doing good. Okay, good. So I would do maps anabolic. I wouldn't do any cardio You could walk, you know walk, you know, ten minutes fifteen minutes after breakfast lunch and dinner I would hit your your calories and slowly increase your calories over time maybe two hundred and fifty two hundred calories a week and Just get strong. And like I said, if you build muscle without gaining body fat, let's say your body weight goes up 10 pounds of lean body mass, which it won't, but let's say it did. Maybe it will. You're a big dude.

10 pounds of lean body mass without any additional body fat. You're leaner now because your body fat percentage, remember it's a percentage of total body weight. So you could very well get leaner through this reverse diet process. I actually think there's a huge opportunity here too. I'm assuming if you're fasting that much and you're only eating twice a day and you're a 230 pound dude, you're not getting anywhere near 200 grams of protein. Do you know what your grams of protein are? He hasn't been having me track that but I tracked the couple of weeks. I'm getting about 120 to 150 cases. And I have a lot of BCAAs on top of that.

Huge, huge opportunity for us then. This is a good thing. That's where you reverse. It's a good thing that he fucked up so bad that we can change a few things and we should see some real positive results here, right? So like all Sal's advice, and the main thing that I would have you do

is go after your protein intake. Like that's the focus is to really, in fact, I'm less concerned about hitting right around 2100 to 20, like I want you to get your protein intake every day. And if you stop the cardio and you're strengthening five days a week right now, is that what you said, five? Yes.

Okay, five, because we're gonna bring you down. I might have you walk at least two of the day, the other day, like so you were going to the gym five days a week, I might have you have a day, those two days that you were still going to the gym, go there and walk and maybe do some mobility stuff, recovery type stuff. So mobility work or trigger sessions and walking on,

because on the anabolic you have two days that are trigger sessions. So if you've been in this routine of going to the gym five days a week, two of those days now are gonna be just trigger session and walking, maybe some stretching, some stuff like that. So you have some activity still that'll help mitigate any additional calories

that we're probably gonna go up in. But hit your protein intake, follow what Sal said. I think you're gonna see yourself build muscle right now. Yeah, you'll get really strong and that's what you want. Get really strong. But yeah, so the fact that you're not hitting your protein, what's your goal body weight? Probably around 220. I'd like to get around the 10% body fat range. Hit 220 grams of protein a day. Yeah. That's where your extra calories are going to go. Doug, can we put them in the forum too? I want to keep you in the forum so we keep an eye on you, help you through this process. That's, that's where your extra calories going to go. Doug, can we put them in the forum too? I want to keep you in the forum. So we keep an eye on you, help you with this process. I think, yeah, I think you got a lot of potential to turn some stuff.

Do you have, um, absinthe ball? I do. I do. I did it. It's not some good results, probably about maybe four or five years ago with it. Good. On here. So good.

Yeah. Follow that. Do the three day version trigger sessions on the off days, walking, cut the cardio out, eat, hit those protein targets and let's get your, let's get your body back up. Yeah. And John, we're going to put you in the private forum. So, uh, just keep, keep us updated, you know, once, once a month, check in with us, just let us know how, how it's going, what you notice, what you feel,

what are taught. And then if we need to make any sort of adjustments, we can, but I think simply hitting your protein intake, reducing the amount of training you're doing and back off that cardio, you're going to build some muscle right now. Maybe get your money back from that coach and tell him that if he doesn't give your money back that will display his name up on this podcast when we post it. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He got me where I couldn't. That's right. I was in a bad place. He led you back to us't. That's right. He was in a bad place. He led you back to us, so it's all good. We got it.

Good. Good. Sal's in a mood today to get these people. It's all good. You're here now. We'll fix it. You're and you know what? It wasn't very long, so I don't think you did any serious damage or anything like that. I think that you'll bounce back and I think actually bumping your protein and reducing the volume of training you're gonna you're gonna respond really nice. You'll see a significant difference with that. Yep.

Awesome. You talked about strength after anabolic. I was thinking to do old time. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I like that. You'll love that. Yeah. Okay, right on. Awesome. Super fun, dude. Thanks, Joe. All right, Joe. Thanks, guys, I appreciate it.

Yeah, we'll see you in the forum. Those shitty-ass fitness training. Bro, that's... Jesus Christ. This is literally, listen, this is literally what they do. You know what's even worse? Move more, oh, here's your calories, cut your calories. Oh, your plateau, cut your calories more, move more.

You're not a fitness coach, you're just a person that understands if people move more and eat less, they start to lose weight, and you're hurting people. You're a moron, you might be a nice guy, but you're an idiot. I know, that's the thing, that's the majority of these coaches I've played. I wish I would've asked.

I bet you money this was like a guy who competed in golf. Of course, sure. God. That's the model, man, I tell you, for all the competitors, and imagine if you wanted to get on stage then he just keep you going down. You just keep going. He's a big dude having me two hours of activity. I mean he looks good though. I mean he actually has got a good base right now. I think once he probably has really good genetics. Yeah watch we

reverse him and build some muscle. He's gonna look he's gonna look good. He's at a fine I know you asked him his goal weight. He doesn't need to change his weight at all. I can tell by his structure. He could keep that weight exactly the same. And build muscle. And build muscle and just slightly lean. And he'll look great at that exact weight. So when you listen to this, Joe,

I don't want you to think that the scale matters anything right now. Body recomb. Yeah, just go off of looking at your picture every two weeks and I promise, taking that advice every two weeks, you'll be happy with what you're seeing. Our next caller is Ben from Texas.

Ben, what's up, man? What's happening? How's it going? What's going on, Ben? It's good. So we thank you guys for having me. Uh, I'll just jump right into it. Let's hear it.

So I just became a certified trainer and I've done a few interviews with some big box gyms and the one thing that they all have in common is that they kind of want to like sell yourself and like go out onto the gym floor and and try to get personal or try to sell personal training packages that way. So my question is, how can I approach members on the gym floor with having like a genuine conversation, but also with the intention to sell them personal training? Oh, man, this is literally straight out of our course.

We had did you know we have a course on for trainers, for trainers and coaches, it kind of teaches them how to build their business. Okay. That's exactly what we built for course for trainers, for trainers and coaches that kind of teaches them how to build their business? Okay. That's exactly what we built for someone like you who's just getting started in the. In fact, is our three day training live, Doug? Yeah.

What's the URL? Let me get that for you. All right, Ben, I'm gonna give you a URL. It's a three day training that we did that's free, and we just put it up, and in there we teach and talk about how to sell training, we talk about how to map out your business. We talk all.

Big packages. All this stuff. Okay, so I'm gonna, but I'm gonna give you some answers here on this call. Now number one, it's not just big box gyms that want you to do this or small studios. It is a requirement to be a successful trainer. The number one skill that you need to develop if you want to really be effective at getting

people good results and getting clients and building your business is you have to learn how to effectively communicate the value that you can provide, aka sell training. You have to get clients to understand and understand how to communicate to them while you're training them because the selling doesn't stop there. Just because someone hired you doesn't mean you stop trying to help them change their behaviors. That's the entire, that's your entire career of personal training. So the skills that you're going to develop by figuring out how to sell people training off the floor are going to be the same skills that you're gonna need

to get your client to change their eating habits or change their workouts. Now the first thing I'm gonna say is this Ben, don't sell personal training off the floor. Sell an appointment off the floor. You wanna be able to get them to schedule an appointment to come meet you. Now you can sell off the floor when you're really good,

but I think this is like telling somebody you you know, it's like telling somebody you're going to get a boxing match, go for the knockout right away before you learn how to jab and a lot of stuff. So I would teach my trainers like you're not out there to sell personal training. What you're trying to do is see if they'll want to come back and do a workout with you and work on something that they want to work on. So that's the first thing. The second thing is it's hard on the workout floor.

It's easy at the front desk. The front desk is where you're gonna meet people and talk to them because they're already walking in, you're checking them in, you can greet them, and that's a natural opening for conversation. On the workout floor, it kind of feels awkward. You're interrupting the workout. Maybe they have headphones on, whatever.

You could still do it, but the front desk is the place to do it. So at the front desk, when you check people in, you scan their card or whatever, make sure you say their name, John have a great workout, or what are you working on today? Oh I'm hitting back. Awesome. You want to come, next time you come in let me take you through a workout to train your whatever, or when next time you come in let's schedule a session. I'm gonna take you through a free training session, whatever. You're gonna get a lot of no's but you'll get some yeses, but

that initial ice breaking conversation, way easier at the front desk. In the course, I go over and exercise that to teach trainers in your position to learn how to rapport build. And so what I used to do with my staff is I'd get it like a little journal for all of them. And then your goal would be to walk that floor

and go learn one to two things about as many people as you could. And I'd have you go out and you go walk up to the lady that's on the stair master, introduce yourself, who you are, ask her how her days go, and if there's anything that you could help her with, how long she's been a member. Get as much information as you can in a short period of time introducing yourself. Come back, write down one or two facts about them. Oh, Susie comes in the gym Monday, Monday, Wednesday, Fridays, and plays tennis. That's it. And then go to the next person. And then you just keep building this up. And then as you saw those people come in a second and a third time, you then approached them by their name. Hey Susie, how you doing?

How was tennis last week? How's the backswing? Yeah. And you start, you start building rapport and adding to that. Once you learn to do that, it makes it way more comfortable because you've now talked to Susie three times in the gym. You know that she has two kids, she plays tennis, and you can bring up something like, or maybe she does in that third conversation, that, oh man, I hurt my knee the other day playing tennis. Oh, great opportunity for you to be able to show her

some things that she could do to rehab that. Oh, that might be related to ankle or hip mobility. If you have some time next Tuesday, I'd love to set an appointment with you where we can go over a few extra, totally free, it'd be on my time if that's okay with you. Oh my God, that's so awesome, Ben. You would do that? Absolutely. Let's schedule that appointment. Like that's what it looks like. And you should, and it's like literally just a numbers game. You're just building relationships with these people and you're learning about them. You're finding opportunities where you as a coach and trainer could help this person out. You're offering your services for an hour for free to give them some insight

on your abilities and what you can do as a coach. And then that hour like Sal is saying, that's your opportunity to close. Because then I know next Tuesday I got Susie and Susie's got a knee injury that she just had. I know what her goals are. I know a little bit about her. And so now I'm brainstorming of like, what am I going to help her with? What am I teaching her? But all this stuff, Ben, this is the stuff we go deep in the course. This is what it was all about was to help because this is what we thought every, and by the way, we're partners with NASM. NASM is one of the best national certifications that are out there. But one of the things that a lot of certifications didn't do was fill these gaps. They don't tell you on day one, you're going to have your boss.

And it's the lifeblood of your business. Yeah, it's like literally like how you're going to be successful. It's like you could have all the national certs in the world, but if you don't know how to fucking approach somebody in the gym and convert them into a sale, you're not going to be successful. So that was the vision of building this course was to fill all the gaps that we thought national certifications were not doing. And so that's a must, brother. Yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, it's like Sal always says, it's the, it's effective communication and that's really what sales is.

And so it really, it's just like, you're constantly just effectively, you know, forecasting a vision for them if they're interested, really you have to get their attention, get them interested in, you know, build that rapport first. That's, that's step number one. By the way, rapport building, it could be also as simple as this. I see this in the gym I work out in. The really good staff members that are good at this will walk the floor and they'll fist pump somebody

between sets. You see someone put, hey man, good job, boom. You do that two or three times. By the time you get to the third time, the third time they work out and you see them, hey, how's your workout going? Now you can start talking to them. What Adam's talking about doesn't take long at all.

Within a week or two, you'll start to know people within the shifts that you work, and you'll become the mayor. I used to tell my trainers, you are the mayor of this gym. I want you to act like you're the mayor. Walk around and talk with people. And then, you know, you talk to someone two or three times, now it's easy to approach them, talk to them about

working with you and taking them through a workout. When I was 20 years old, I was known as the trainer inside our facility, like the best trainer, and I was the least educated, the least experienced, and the youngest. It wasn't because I was the best trainer, it was because I did all that stuff. I saw that opportunity that all these trainers, they just focused on their one client who was paying them and they didn't pay attention to the sea of people that were walking around and I just went out there and I talked to everybody and was friendly and helped people out and then before long I became the trainer in that facility even though I didn't have the experience in the education yet. That is massive part of being successful inside of a gym you become that guy and I guarantee the stuff will start to fall into place. Totally. Okay, if I see

somebody kind of doing an exercise that maybe they don't have like the correct form should I approach them or do you think that would kind of be like insulting them? You can approach them but the way you do it is you don't go hey you're doing that wrong. Yeah. You would say hey you mind if I show you a different way to do that? Or Ben. It's all in how you present it. Okay, so even better, okay, what did I tell you the exercise was? Go over and meet that person. If I see someone with bad form, the way I look at that, that's an opportunity for someone who

needs coaching. I don't need to address it right out the gates, but that's a person I want to go talk to. So if I look at the floor and there's 20 people and then there's a lady doing lap pulldown, terrible, she's gonna be the first one I go walk and say hi to. So you don't have to say anything about her form the first time, but you introduce her. Hey, what's your name? My name's Ben. I'm one of the trainers here. I'm here to help out if you ever have any questions and just introduce yourself. But what you know is that you already see an opportunity of something you can teach her and help her with. You don't need to lead with that, but that should be the first person you go after and go say hi to. So go say hi to her and introduce yourself. Now what happens sometimes when you approach it

that way, she goes, yeah I just I was trying to work my arms. You go, oh this is actually for your lats. Would you like me to show you how to do it correctly? She opens it up and invites you to do that. Then you can do, then you could coach her. But initially all you want to do is introduce yourself. Just go meet her and talk to her or him and then let it unfold. Don But initially, all you wanna do is introduce yourself. Just go meet her and talk to her or him and then let it unfold. The worst thing a trainer does, you go like, hey, you're doing that wrong,

you want me to show you how to do it right? Very few trainers can get away with that. Very few people will receive that right. Most people, especially men, are gonna get pissed off when you do that. Instead, you see they're doing something wrong, I'm like, oh, that's a good lead. That's a good lead,

because I know I can help her do that lat pull down right. So I'm going to go over at least introduce myself, find out a little bit of information about her. Hopefully it leads to me helping her right away, but the bare minimum, I know who she is and I know she doesn't do a lat pull down well and I'm going to fix it sooner or later. Go take our course right now, our free three day course. It's mindpumptrainercourse.com. Go take that, watch it.

You'll learn a lot from that. Okay, can I ask one more question? Yeah. We're sending you a bill afterwards. Do you guys have any good... Just kidding, bro. Do you guys have any good books to read about selling or maybe like closing deals?

Nothing's gonna be better than the course that we have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very specific to personal training. Save your money for that. The free three-day training, yeah, yeah. It's very specific to personal training. Save your money for that. The free three-day training is deep on sales. That's like what most of it is. So watch that.

And it's free. So take advantage of that. Okay. Sounds good. All right, man. All right, brother. Good luck. Have a good one.

Yep. The only trainers I've ever seen that had success with going up to people and saying, you're doing that wrong, were the most visibly jacked. There were always these, it was hard to argue with them. They're intimidating, yeah. Because they're the biggest, buffed the strongest people in the gym, and so you're like, oh, can you show me?

Even then, you're just operating out of fear. Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, you're the biggest guy in the gym. Well, what it is is they go like, oh, he must know something I don't know. That's it, yeah, exactly. That's all of that. I've only had a couple trainers get away with it. Those trainers, you can't do that. No, the key is is they go like, oh, he must know something I don't know. That's it, yeah, that's all of that. I've only had a couple trainers get away with that. Those trainers, you can't do that.

No, the key is to rapport build. You just go build rapport. And it's funny because, I tell you what, this is a problem in most gyms. Trainers, okay, we're terrible sometimes. We get so focused on the people that are paying us and then we don't pay attention to the hundreds of leads. So I used to always tell trainers,

man, you think it's harder because you're brand new. There's a sea of opportunity that all my veteran trainers. All green grass. They're all busy and they're helping the person who's paying them. They're not interested in hustling and working hard. Go in there and just become the person who's helping everybody.

And you'll be surprised on how much you'll get just from that alone. Our next caller is Heidi from Missouri. Heidi, how can we help you? What's happening? Hi, this is so crazy. I've been listening since 2019, so. Wow.

This is really crazy. Awesome. All right. So nice to meet you guys. Thank you, same. So I'm just gonna jump on my, yes. So I'll just jump on my question. I'm married, I'm 22 years old. And I just found out that I'm

pregnant last weekend. I was on the second week of phase three of anabolic when I found out what is the best workout program during the rest of pregnancy. I'm currently six weeks along. Congratulations. So okay, so first off, what what kind of working out and training were you doing before you got pregnant? You're not new to fitness, right? You've been working out for a while?

Right, so I've been working out since like 2018. Okay, so this is key. This is key because the mistake women typically make is they get pregnant and they start a new workout routine. And then it's a hustle all of a sudden. And then it's a hustle. But you're in a great position, mainly because you've been working out this whole time.

Just continue the process. Yeah, there's really nothing you can't do so long as you listen to your body. So here's what's gonna happen. Now, you're week six. How are you feeling right now, by the way? Any morning sickness, nausea, any of that stuff? No, I feel perfectly normal. That's how I didn't even know I was even pregnant. That's awesome. I feel perfect. Good for you. Yeah. So all you're

gonna do is listen to your body. So what that means is when you go into an exercise, and this typically occurs in the third trimester, okay? It's usually a third trimester where some exercises need to get modified. Typically you're going to avoid, uh, you know, crunches or sit-ups as the baby grows. It just gets in the way. You might avoid split stance exercises because, uh, torquing the pelvis sometimes can cause, uh, pelvic synthesis, uh, issues or pain. So, but, but really it's up to how you feel. I've had women I've trained who were fit, got pregnant,

and we didn't change anything until like the last like two weeks when they just were too tired. Katrina literally all the way up to the last couple of weeks of Max being born and that we were running anabolic I believe at that time. It was either anabolic or aesthetic and the advice I gave her was, honey, we're just not trying to hit PRs or make moves right now. Like wherever your strength is at right now, keep yourself there. Maintain.

Yeah, maintain that or back off on days when you feel it. So if you have a night, you didn't get good rest or you're just feeling, you're not feeling your normal self, back off the intensity, but don't try and push anything right now. That's all I would tell her is like, you've already been training consistently. You're set perfect right now and just you staying consistent with the workout you're already currently doing and not trying to increase weight or increase volume. Just keep following it, you're gonna be okay. Yeah, and again, it's typically the third trimester

where some women will need to swap out certain exercises. Just because, and you'll know this because you'll do the movement and you'll be like, that doesn't feel right. I don't like the way that, exactly. And then you'll just say, okay, I'm gonna switch that out for a different movement. And that's pretty much it, just listen to your body.

But you're in such a good position because you've been working out for so long before and during, like the bounce back is gonna be amazing. Amazing. And then of course your age, you're really young, but really the fitness is what makes the biggest difference. Okay, so I'm almost done with phase three of anabolic. Would I just go back and anabolic again and just kind of repeat

that or? How many of our programs have you followed? I've done anabolic a few times, I've done aesthetic, I've done 15, I've done quite a few of them. Okay I mean you can honestly you could get into almost any of our programs. I wouldn't go with the super high volume program, but anabolic would be fine performance would be fine I don't like performance because it's supposed a lot of split. You know, I like anabolic You're already familiar. Yeah, and you're kind of on pace And I know it's a lot of volume, but it's all bilateral stuff mostly or machines like I like it I mean you could run anabolic just. Just for a little bit more control.

Yeah, just go right back in anabolic, should be totally fine during that time. Post-pregnancy, then I would look at map starter. So after you have the baby and you're cleared to exercise and you feel good, then what you don't wanna do, now here's the challenge, you're gonna wanna jump right, especially if you feel good, you don't wanna jump right back in to what you were doing before.

Muscle recruitment patterns have changed, so you're gonna wanna take your time. MAPS Starter is a great program postpartum. And don't rush that, this was something I had to communicate to Katrina also because she was in a hurry to get back to MAPS Aesthetic or MAPS in a Bulk, and I said go through Starter, you're gonna progress just fine, because we had to take those six

Weeks off you're gonna see results from it Just trust the process and so that I just had to keep reminding her that because she was like by the second week of starter She's like, alright, let's get to aesthetic. I'm like, there's no reason to your body's gonna see results following starter I know it feels like it's easier than what you're used to don't worry You'll get there and you know That was only the attention is the fuel your way through it, really like reestablish that connection with your body. Because there's gonna be a lot of that that needs to happen to then build that stability

and that support system back. Do you have MapStarter? I don't think so. Okay, we'll give you an early gift for the baby. We'll send that over to you. Okay. All right, thank you so much. Thank you guys. What month is the baby do when's our when's our mind pump baby do here November? November what what is it November 14?

Katrina's the 15th on the 16th. Yes. Look at that. I'm the 11th. So, oh no way. I'll take it that whole week. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. Um, me and my mom will literally sit down and just talk about all you guys talk about. You, you guys really are good conversation starters. So, oh, that's great. I love you guys so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, you Scorpios, I swear. So similar. All the same.

So she said five years she's been listening. She's only 20. She's only 22. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so it's 2019, right? So five years. So five years she's been listening to shows. I mean, but she's more than 17 years old.

She's been working out this long. I mean, she's gonna have a great, as long as everything's normal and healthy, she's gonna be fine. It'll be great. No, I think the point you made is the biggest key because for some reason everybody decides once they get pregnant, they're like,

oh, I wanna get in shape because they're all gonna see. Yeah, and then that's like, okay, this is where this gets tricky. But somebody who's been training consistently goes into pregnancy There's a lot of there's a lot of myths around how you can change you can do damn near Obviously, you're gonna do exercise where you're like you listen to your body Yeah, most everything else you could pretty much follow especially a program like anabolic There's gonna be nothing in there. She needs to really I had a client that ran a

Marathon in her seventh month and but she was already an athlete, had been training up to it. We didn't over train, she felt good and she was able to do it. She felt okay. And the clients I have and including Katrina that have done a really good job, they all seem to have an easier pregnancy too. Of course. So that is gonna really benefit her when it comes to having the baby. Look, if you like Mind Pump, we have a free lose fat guide. It's a free guide you can find at mindpump baby. Look, if you like Mind Pump Pump, we have a free lose fat guide. It's a free guide you can find at mindpumpfree.com, cost nothing.

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