Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2326: How Swimming Affects Muscle Growth, Ways to Avoid Injuries, the Best Way to Strength Train for Soccer & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

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and we'll get that shirt right out to ya. One of the common rules in strength training is to do compound lifts before isolation lifts. However, this is not true when you're trying to hit a body part that's not responding. Sometimes it's better to do an isolation lift first. This helps you connect to the target muscle. Then when you do the compound lift,

you can adjust your technique to make it focus more on the body part that won't develop. So rules are important in strength training, but sometimes it's important to break those rules. I'm glad you've done this one. We haven't talked about this in a while. And that's actually a tip that I probably, if I look back at my clientele,

I probably use that more than I use the rule of, you know, start with a compound lift or start with whatever muscle group we're focused on. Because I felt like most all my clients struggled with feeling it in a muscle in one way or another. It was a common one. Yeah, like rarely ever did I get my clients to feel, or like when they first started to be able to feel squats in their glutes or chest.

Like chest was a really common one. They would have a really hard time bench pressing and feeling their chest. So I find I use this technique a lot. More often than not, even though we communicate the importance of compound lifts first and the benefits of that, you would find me probably doing isolation exercises with the client first

for this exact reason. I learned this as a kid. I was following Mike Menzer's heavy duty. This is not off topic. There's actually a, the way he prescribes certain workouts, because the whole philosophy around heavy duty, I'm not advocating for it, but the whole philosophy was they did one all-out set to failure and that was enough to stimulate muscle growth. But then the challenge that he would talk about was, well, how do you fully

stimulate a muscle with a compound lift? Like doing pull-ups, won't the biceps fatigue more than the lats? So his theory was pre-exhaust the lats before doing a pull-up. So you do a pull over and then you would end up doing pull-ups. So that was the theory. Now there's, there's, we don't need to necessarily talk about that, but what I noticed as a kid was it was the first time I got a pump in my lats ever. Because I did pull-overs before doing pull-ups. So I understood it then.

And so with my clients, whenever we do an exercise and they'd be like, I don't feel that in my butt or I don't feel that my quads or I don't feel that whatever, I would always have them do a light isolation exercise for that body part. Now the data doesn't show necessarily that you activate more muscle fibers or it's going to necessarily target the muscle more. And that's because the data isn't working with coaches and trainers who use that ability that they now feel that muscle to change your technique and form. That's the key.

The key isn't that there's some magic in isolating the muscle first. That's not the magic. The magic is now that you feel your butt and you can feel what it feels like and you got a little bit of a burn, a pump there, now we need to do your squats, change your technique, change your form so you feel it in your butt. So you have that external feeling. You're more conscious of it. That's it.

You're more connected to it. And I think that's, it's an overlooked aspect of training that I think that's why a lot of time was spent, especially with newer clients coming in where you really have to devote a lot of time and attention to being able to, um, the recruitment process, but also be able to feel these muscles respond. Because that's beneficial for you getting further along the process into the compound lifts. I think that even you can make an argument that that's probably more valuable than approach. If you're looking at a single joint approach of being able to kind of understand your body, be able to control your body,

be able to slowly load your body, even like to control your body, be able to slowly load your body, even like going through like body weight and then start loading and making sure you can, you have control and access to these muscles when you need them. So there was, there was an evolution to that for me. I think originally it started with the, I'd normally choose like two, you know, body weight or isolation exercises that were simple, two sets, 15 reps, real light. You're not trying to fatigue the muscle at all. You just want to get them connected.

Later on, that evolved to more like five to 10 reps tops, two sets, and an isometric hold. So I like that combined with the isometric. I've done both, I like that. Yeah, so if we're doing like, say for example, my client can't feel in their glutes when they do squats. And so instead of doing 15 reps for two sets, or two sets, 15 reps of floor bridges, I might only do five reps, but it's a hard,

yeah, it's a hard squeeze the top. So I do an isometric hold at the top, where they would contract the glutes. I'd be talking to them, hold it there, squeeze the butt. Can you feel it? Can you feel it? Getting them to really concentrate on connecting to that muscle. And I do two sets like that versus just kind of going through the repetition. No, you're right. The squeeze is the most important part of that's exactly what I found. By the way, for coaches and trainers, this really isn't different than the following cue when you're training someone. You know this as a coach, you're telling someone to concentrate on this muscle and then they can't.

And then what do you do? You go over and you say, can I touch it so you can feel it? And they go, sure. And then you just put your finger on it. I want you to squeeze this right here. That external signal, that finger on my rhomboid or my lats or on my quad or whatever, now I know where I need to feel it. That's essentially what you're doing with these isolation lifts before compound. It's not pre-exhaust necessarily. It's not that you're hitting more muscle fibers.

It's that it allows you to adjust your form and technique or even just the feel because you can actually see an exercise look almost identical. And to the untrained eye they will look identical, you know, two different sets, but on one of them, more emphasis is on the lats, let's say, and on the other one, more emphasis is on, let's say, the rhomboids or the biceps, right? So getting that muscle to contract and squeeze and then, oh, that's what that feels like. Now when I do this exercise, oh, let me move my position this, and I notice this with, use the glutes is a great example, I would see my clients squat change. They'd be like, I don't feel this on my butt.

So we would do some, you know, bridges, squeeze at the top real hard, get them to feel it. And then I'd say, okay, now when you squat, try and feel it in that area. And then you'd see them all of a sudden engage more glutes with just slight changes. Yeah. And a lot of times you find it's the common postural positions that they're holding throughout the day or through all these years of how they've lifted things and built and established these hardwired patterns. It takes work to deconstruct that, to be able to get you to set yourself in good postural position first in order to contract the muscles to their full potential. And so, you know, that's all part of the training process

too that gets, you know, jumped right past into trying to work on your aesthetic goals and all these other things. Now, I learned this just through trial and error and training so many clients, right? You alluded to the research or the studies and data around it's kind of weak. Is that because we use like muscle activation

as like the primary? We're looking at muscle activation, muscle fiber recruitment. I don't know of any studies that look at muscle development or anything like that, but with researchers, what researchers do is they say, do this exercise first, this exercise second, and then they'll say, okay, now this group

switched the order and then they do the, they'll test the muscle then they'll say, okay, now this group, switch the order. And then they'll test the muscle, they'll use MRI or something like that, to see what's going on. That's not how this works. The way this works is your form and technique will adjust now that you know where you're supposed to feel it. But if you just go from one to the other and you don't concentrate on what you're supposed to do.

There's no coaching there. There's no coaching. That's why I think over time, I piece together the isometric hold. Because even if I just told a client. Just to wrap it up. Yeah, like so what would happen, I would prescribe this to a client to do before

and they wouldn't be with me. And it'd be like, yeah, Adam's still having a hard time filling it. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, today we'll do it together, I'll see how it's going. And then they'd be doing it and I'm watching them just go through the motion. I'm like, oh God, it's all hip flexor.

They're not even activating the glutes still, so they're doing a floor bridge, which is primarily glute, but somehow they're managing to swing it up there with their hip flexors, and they're not concentrating on it. And that's where the evolution of, okay, wait, wait, wait, hold it at the top. No, no, squeeze, now flex, squeeze your butt, and then they'd be like, oh, okay, yeah, I feel that.

Okay, now come down. They're not even achieving full extension a lot of times. Yes, yeah, exactly, I feel that. Okay, now come down. I'm achieving full extension a lot of times. Yes, yeah, exactly, they were. And so the coaching to the squeeze, the hold, that's where you're supposed to feel it. Then going into the squat. And sometimes, that was the typical prescription, sometimes I had to interrupt even the barbell squat sets

of like, do another one of those. Like they go do it and they'd be like, ah, still having our time. Okay, wait, get back down. Totally. And we'd have to to keep I'm glad you said that kind of practicing in between sets in between sets to get them to really start to get that connection and then like and then over time I'd be like okay I get it so that's probably why some of these studies are flawed in that area

too it's just like it's not that simple you can't just take a group of people that are relatively untrained or don't understand how to connect there and go oh do this exercise this exercise and see if it makes a difference. The intent matters so much. Yeah, and compound lifts involve more muscles than isolation, and your body will move in the way that it feels most comfortable or it feels strongest. So if that means it's not engaging the muscle

that you want to engage, then that's the way it's gonna move unless you change the technique and form and really emphasize on the change of the technique and form. Have you guys ever seen, uh, like arm wrestlers and how they do pull-ups? You ever watch arm wrestlers do pull-ups? Like in tight, it looks very different than like when a bodybuilder does a pull-up. You could tell bicep in, you know, forearm versus back, which just the emphasis. I'm using that extreme because it's such an extreme, uh, difference, but that's

what happens when you do these compound lifts is you have, you know, you do a squat, there's a lot of muscles involved, but your prime movers are your hamstrings, your quads, your glutes. Well, I mean, the percentage of the quads doing the lift can change dramatically depending on what your body feels comfortable with and what you're focusing on. And you can change that focus by changing the technique

and being aware, and oftentimes you have to go lighter in order to do it as well. If you had to order the hardest muscles for clients to connect to, I mean I think they're all gonna, well that's not true. For clients? Yeah, yeah, what order?

Lats and chest. Back. Lats, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back, yeah. But I still would go, I would go. Cause back I had to like put people in, I'd like move them into position. So I feel like glutes, glutes, lats, chest maybe.

I mean it's close because I did have a- It's all those big movers, right? Yeah. Chest is one of the hardest ones. Yeah, you're right. Because I mean- It's all arms they'll feel. Yeah, and shoulder, yeah, arms and shoulders.

And they roll forward every single time. And the flat, and that's why I moved away from the flat bench as far as- Way more technical. Yeah, it was so much easier to get a client in a more advantageous position in the incline because it naturally kind of sags the shoulders down and back. Puts them in the position.

Versus them being flat and then kind of pushing their shoulders forward. Then they end up pushing all their shoulders and chest. That was probably one of the hardest. Totally, totally. Dude, I was listening to Dr. John Delaney's podcast. Yeah. So for people who don't know, a was listening to Dr. John Delaney's podcast. So for people who don't know, great,

I'm sure people know, great podcast, one of the most downloaded podcasts that exists. And callers call in and he helps them, right? He takes them through their challenges. But I listened to the most recent episode. I think the title of it is, She Wants Sex More Than I Do. That's the title of it, okay?

She wants, she does? She does. So this guy calls in and he's, he sounds like a young guy or whatever. And he's like, man, you know, I just got married two months ago and, you know, I, you know, I feel like something's wrong with me and my wife wants more sex than I

do and I just don't, you know, whatever. And so of course, you know, Dr. DeLoney's like, listen, nothing's wrong with you, you're not broken. Cause you can tell this guy's kind of ashamed, right? So I'm listening. I'm like, man, what's going on? Poor guy, right? So, you know, John goes, listen, nothing's wrong with you, you're not broken. Because you can tell this guy's kind of ashamed, right? So I'm listening, I'm like, man, what's going on?

Poor guy, right? So, you know, John goes, well, give me some context. Like, what do you mean by she wants more sex or whatever? He's like, well, you know, she'd be okay with like two times a day. I'm like, bro, you're fine, dude. You're fine, bro. She wants a lot of sex, you're doing all right, dude.

Poor guy, you know what I mean? I hear the guy's like, he's all pain, like what's wrong with you? I mean, isn't doing all right, dude. Poor guy, you know what I mean? I hear the guys like he's all pain, like what's wrong with you? I mean, isn't it like, isn't this way, there's always gonna be one person in every relationship. Do you ever feel like it's, I don't think it's ever, like there's always gonna be one person who feels like they want more and then they're personalized.

And then there's seasons. Yeah, as I say, in our relationship, that's flip-flop for Katrina and I. So it was her first, then it was me, and so it relationship, that's flip-flop for Katrina and I. So it was her first, then it was me. And so it's like, we flip-flop. It just kind of depends on the season, what's going on. But I do remember being that way early on, being like, man, I just can't keep up. She's the amount she wants.

And then that flipped to the other side. And I know that normally is the opposite though, right? Because most guys deal with like, they want it like crazy. Then the wife has a baby and then it normally changes a lot of times for... Typically you'll hear women or people say after they have kids, they don't want to have as much sex, especially moms will say that. Yeah. I feel like there's two extremes or there's two

groups there though. There's then the other group that said like, oh my God. Cause that kicked up Katrina's was after... I think she's a minority. Yeah. I think so too. Cause I think most, what was your experience with that, Justin? Because for me going in,

it was the opposite. I was like, no, I don't know. Because I was all the shame and stuff like that. I was very much still kind of under my parents' roof at the time. I'd just come back from college. That makes sex a lot awkward. I'm like, I don't know.

We gotta be sneaky. How long were you guys there for? Uh, so I had to live like under her parents' house for like a year. Wow. Well, actually a little bit less than a year, but still, dude, I don't think, I don't think I've ever had sex with my girl. My parents' house or her parents' house. I don't think, yeah, I don't think I could. I don't suggest it. You remember I was out, remember, Kay, I was out by 17 years old into my own place. So I've never, I never, I don't even know what that's like to have sex in my parents' house.

So especially being a grown ass man, come back, you know, maybe we're visiting, it don't even feel right. There's not much will stop me, it was really... You know what I mean? Oh, I still, yeah, but yeah, it was funny because it was like, it definitely shifted once the kid, it was the pregnancy thing. And I think it's because the hormone shift for her

was dramatic. And so it was like, it just completely turned the dynamic on its head. And then for me, it was like, well, the lack of it got my increase, like it just kept compiling, you know, and so it's like, it's just, it's something we're working on all the time where it's kind of back and forth,

but it's, you know, it's just a cost of communication thing. You gotta make sure that like, hey, here's my needs or here's what I'm feeling today. Here's your needs, here's what you wanna see out of this. Did it help when you were wearing like the Nacho Libre outfit and stuff like that? Yeah, dude. No, I told you guys, the tool belt and the fix it. I would do anything.

I was out there like turning a wrench. She's at work. He's breaking shit. I'm breaking stuff. Trimming trees, dude. You know, I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, a pipe broken. Sawing stuff.

Even if I didn't have to work on something, I'm just sawing things outside. Hey, honey. Yeah. That's hilarious. Well, I just felt bad for the guy, because you're hearing, and you're like, you kind of feel bad for him, you know? And they just got married.

Like, oh, man. You? I don't think so. I think it's the opposite. I don't think anyone feels bad for him. Everybody, every dude who's not getting sex is mad at the guy. Well, no, I felt bad for him. I felt bad for him because.

I want to virtually slap him. You can hear that he thought something's wrong with him. Like, he's like, oh, man, I can't. Like, what's wrong with me, is something wrong with me? And then he says she wants it twice a day. I'm like, bro. Well, in regards to John, one of the things I love about John Delaney

is he's such a great communicator. And boy, does that guy get hit with random. The hardest question I've ever heard. Yeah, like I think some, like you guys think, people might think like some of the stuff that we get, live callers, because we get curve balls and stuff like that, but that's easy

like he gets really random shit and then to be able to not only help but somebody through there but then also be Sensitive enough to like okay. I got to be careful like how I say this you hear him in that episode kind of like trying to articulate Like what what he's trying to communicate to the guy. Yeah, he's not like belittling his his qualm or anything He's like, acknowledging it. For me, I'd be like, pfft. I mean, I pick up on stuff. When I listen to him communicate, he's a really good communicator.

He really is. He does a really good job of- You can tell he's been doing it for a while. Yeah, getting across really hard conversations, being very empathetic, but then also direct at the same time. There's a real arc to that. You know, I wonder, of course it's like this, right? We will have live callers call in,

and it was like when we trained clients, I'll hear three or four sentences, and I already have probably 85% guess on what the issue is, because of the experience that I've had working with people, and you guys are the same way. So John's gotta be like that, right? Yeah, but you know what we have that's not fair that he doesn't have is that I have you guys and this happened today's live caller. I can jump to a conclusion and be like, this is what I think.

And even if I'm like, I'm right eight to 10 times for that person, I still have you guys to go like, well, it could also be this. And then between all three of us, yeah, we're going to build a better model for them. Yeah, we're going to, we're going to nail it. Or one of us is going to hit home with that, that person where John is like all by himself. He doesn't have two other professionals that I can lean on that. Like, okay, I might, I might guess wrong. I mean,

you can just hear when people who have a lot of experience communicate that they they've, that they know where to go or what's happening or, cause oftentimes I'll hear like stuff you'll say and I want to say something else and then I'll hear him respond and he's on point say oh he's this guy knows what he's talking about. You know I think that's the biggest like secret sauce to being like a really good trainer is one it just takes time to have that kind of experience to where you've seen enough of these like examples of okay. It becomes a bit predictive.

And then you have the ability to communicate that before it happens for a person. That's right. Because when you first get a client and they're just starting off with you, there's this like you're just building a relationship. They barely know who you are. Maybe you got referred, oh, he's a really good trainer. You get the client buys 10 or 20 sessions from you. And you're like, I got 20 hours to like, win this person over that I could

fundamentally help them or change their life or whatever it may be. And part of what solidify would solidify that for me is the ability to read like what their challenges are or what I would or forecast what I knew was coming based off of like their previous patterns. Oh man. And then, and if you could lay that out for them and then it unfolds that way, it's like, okay, I trust this trainer. You know, I'm looking, talking about this, I'm thinking about the live event we have coming up

because, you know, we do callers, live callers does this a little bit. I'm so glad we started doing that a while ago because I was feeling so disconnected from like, actually working and training people. Cause you know, people write in questions and we answer the question. I don't have the ability to, when it's a written

question, I don't have the ability to ask more questions. I don't have the ability to dig a little deeper and kind of see what's going on. I just have to answer the question based off of just, you know, whatever they wrote. Um, when you, when you answer questions with a live person, you can get a little deeper and seeing people in person,

that's why these live events are so great, right? Because almost all these live events that we've done, we haven't done in a while, but when we do them, we meet with people, inevitably they'll come up, talk about how they like the show, and then we'll have a question. And it's like, oh, I remember, this is such a great, it's so stimulating.

Well, and also, don't you also feel like, I mean, that's a hard thing for somebody to be vulnerable over text message or be vulnerable. Like really like, like in person, there's that, that, that other sense that like, you know, I'm here and like, we're, I'm confiding in you and it's like just your thing you guys are talking about at that point. And so, you know, for people to call in even here and, and ask us questions and then let's go back and forth it's close but like in person huge it's that you don't get that like comparing it again to the like written

in questions like you can ask a very direct question that maybe there's an answer to that but that the answer can completely change based off of more information hundred percent so I mean that I mean you get to see that in the live callers. You get to see where, yeah, okay, well, you're gonna hear us give contradicting advice, right? Like if someone just asked the question without us knowing more about you, this might be the answer.

But then we start digging deeper and we find out this, this, this, and this. Sometimes the answer is the opposite. That's what I'm saying. Like that's why it's like, which also too, this is also the thing that irritates me about social media and the fitness space is like, it's their context matters so much because there's so

many variables, especially when you start to insert, you know, behavioral psychology in addition to the nutrition and physiology and everything like that. It's like, man, sometimes you're going to lean so heavily in, in one direction, even if it contradicts what the science might say in another area.

And so this culture that we've created in Instagram of doing these videos where we take somebody else's clip and go, did you see, I hate it. I hate too what really bothers me is when I see our friends doing it to our other friends. I know. It's so cringe. I just, and I'm not going to roll someone on the bus

right now, but it's like, I just saw one of our friends doing that to another one of our friends. I'm like, dude, you. It's so cringe. I just, and I'm not gonna roll someone on the bus right now, but it's like, I just saw one of our friends doing that to another one of our friends. I'm like, dude, you guys are both good people in the space that are presenting. Do the Godfather thing that you do sometimes. Kiss the ring. Send them both a text, you guys need to relax. Get back off.

Calm the fuck down. You want us to talk about you guys? He's spoken for. Okay, I'm sorry. No, I'm just kidding. You know, I went, and maybe Doug, and maybe the editing team could pull this out for us. Cause this is even pre-Kyle.

Kyle never even seen this before. Remember when we did, so I just want to point out one, okay. We had that idea before that shit even happened. We did. This was like six plus years ago. We shot all this content on the green screen. Where we would have a YouTube clip of somebody teaching an exercise or dropping something like that.

And the three of us had the mics, Doug had our little faces down the corner. And we were trying to be kind of comedic about it, right? But then what we saw after we created like five of them, we look back and it's like, you know what? Yeah, we just look like we're being, yeah, dicks. And then we like, you know what, as funny as it may be or we never heard of and it's still the same You look like a douche and so it's crazy that that we had that we did it We decided not to put it out because we didn't like with the method

We saw what it was kind of like okay. This doesn't look right We don't want this for the brand and then now that's become like the most trendy thing to do on social media So I hope you can find that Doug you got to be able to find some of those clips for the. Don't air them here. No, no, just a little bit of it so they can see. Yeah, yeah. I think we have the footage. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, why are you afraid? Because how young you look? How old are you? Six years old? How dark your hair is? Wow, you guys. When did you guys record this?

96? Yeah. How fucked up my teeth are? I don't remember back that far. They might be horrible. Oh, yeah, that was back then, too. I forgot when you chewed on rocks. I fucked up my teeth on her. I don't remember back that far. They might be horrible. Oh yeah, that was back then too. I forgot when you chewed on rocks. I remember that.

That's right. Did you have hair? You might've had hair, bro. Maybe had hair. Wow. That's a good question. I don't know. So long ago, you know?

It's a six years visit is a long time. I think I did actually. You did? No, I did actually. You did, cause I think you went bald. I was probably wearing a hat though. So I was probably wearing a hat in the video. By the way, the live event we're talking about,

you can still buy tickets to MindPump. The Bellagio Las Vegas. Mindpumplive.com, it's in Vegas June 15th. We want to see you guys there. We're going to get tarant up. Sal will be up until like nine o'clock. Yeah, we're crazy. It's going to be crazy.

We're P.M. It's going to be crazy. I learned something. The South Stoclaus is making friends. I learned something frustrating the other day that both frustrating and I never really thought about this. So over the weekend, so as you can hear, my voice is still a little strained.

I still have a little bit of laryngitis. Whatever this cold is, it just won't go away. It's just sticking around. It's really strange. But over the weekend, I hadn't gotten asthma in a long time. When I was a kid, I had asthma all the time, all the time. Didn't you have asthma? I. I remember you saying that. You never had it? Okay. So I had asthma as a kid all the time. Every... You're a Louisey kid. Every winter and sometimes in the fall or summer especially if I got sick I'd have to get treatments for asthma. In fact I'd actually got

hospitalized a couple times where I you know I'd wake my mom up in the middle of night because I couldn't breathe and they'd have to rush me to the hospital. I was the allergy kid. Okay. Did you ever get the nebulizer in the hospital of the night because I couldn't breathe and they had to rush me to the hospital. I was the allergy kid. Okay, did you ever have to get the nebulizer in the hospital? No, but I had to get shots every week. Did you? Yeah. Okay, so anyway, I just dealt with this for my whole life.

So anyway, fast forward, I outgrew it probably, I'll say probably mid, maybe mid to late teens. I really didn't have to use inhalers or anything like that. Kind of outgrew it. And I have an inhaler that I'll use once every two or three years if I get sick, sometimes it'll happen as I'll need to use it at night so I don't like cough all night or whatever, that's it.

And it's albuterol, it's a beta receptor agonist or whatever. So anyway, I have that. Well, over the weekend, I started getting asthma and I had to use my inhaler like every other hour. I'm like, oh, this sucks. But that usually what that meant when I was a kid and what I used to always use is I would always use the albuterol and then I would use an inhaled steroid. Back then it was beclavent. Now it's advair is what I use or whatever. So the inhaled

steroid is an anti, it's just anti-inflammatory in the lungs. So I had to use that. So I had to go get a prescription, use that and it worked. I didn't have to use the rescue inhaler so often. And my wife is, she gets the box of it and she reads it and she goes, this says it stunts growth in children. And I'm like, of course, yes it does. If you use these, these anti-inflammatory steroids, these corticosteroids, as a kid, while you're growing, it will, it has an effect on your growth.

Now, if it goes in the lungs, it's less of an effect than if it was oral. Are you saying you could have been like six, eight? You could have been as big as Buff as I am, that's crazy. That, see, that sucks. Listen, you're so much smaller. I'm gonna piece this together even more. It sucks.

They're gonna be the little guy in the group. I'm not even, first of all, first of all, you're the little guy in the group. Ah, I know, I'm shrieking right now. Oh. Enjoy. I need to increase the dose of gizepatide without you doing it.

Yeah, I know. So anyway, I'm reading this and I'm like, oh my God, bro, I used inhaled steroids for, like since I was little, all the way up until, like I said, probably mid-teens, relatively regularly, I'd have to use them. And the doctor would prescribe it, two puffs twice a day or whatever, right? So I'm like, holy shit. So here's how stunted growth works when you stunt your growth through those means. The long bones tend to get slightly stunted, but other bones don't.

Now I know this about myself and people have commented and I know this. If you look at my hands and my feet they're slightly disproportionately large to my body and it's true. You and I wear the same size shoe and you're what four inches taller than me. Three yeah. I probably I bet it could have been like six three bro. Six two. Wow. I probably lost two inches. That's what you haven't grown into your nose too. to that. What a dick. I don't have a big nose. I don't understand.

I know you don't. I'm gonna give you a complex though. I'm gonna make it a thing. I told you. I had to start talking about his beak. Ask me where I got my nose job. It was so funny. Hey, you wanna know what Katrina's family

would tell you about your laryngitis? So I'm gonna start doing this to you guys because it drives me crazy. She does it to me all the time. So. Is there something you have to say? Yes. The woo woo version every time. Okay. If you're sick, depending on what the cold symptoms are, they, it always means something, you know, which you just imagine you're sick. You don't feel good. And then I have my wife like telling me like

that what my problem is, you know, say, like I needed to hear this. Yeah. So the laryngitis that you're supposed to be like you, you you're there, something that you have to say, you have to say, you want to say, and you're not saying it and you're not communicating it. So it's like, so it's like, you're supposed to go back and go like. That's how science works. I know it's the virus.

Inflames the stomach. A stomach ache is something I'm holding onto. Or, or I have appendicitis. So when you start going bald, you got something in your mind? No, I don't know. I don't think she ever attributed it to this. Coming up with an idea? You got two ideas coming out, bro.

I don't know what the bald one was. Signal. I don't know. Anyway, so that's the deal. Because I was reading it and I'm like, holy shit, bro, because it's true. If you look at my hands and my feet, they're really what could have been yeah I don't know. I kind of like heaven, you know That was one that always use the bar because my dad six seven my brother six three, you know

And like allergy medicines, did you take there? They must think it shot you up with steroids to homie Maybe yeah, I'll just jump in on that like that's my excuse. Yeah, you are the the Danny DeVito of the family, right? They're so big that's crazy when your brothers are huge. Yeah, I never met your I never met your brothers Yeah, just one brother your brother and dad are huge. Yeah, I saw your dad. He does six seven, right? Yeah Yeah, so he's a big boy. Does he is his whole family like that? You know, he was kind of the anomaly. Actually his uncle, he's 6'5", 6'6", and then, I mean, it's in the family. And like, even though my mom's sad a little bit, but yeah, somehow it just jumped past me. Bro, old Italians, especially old Sicilians, like my grandmother's generation, my grandfather's

generation, maybe even my dad's generation, tiny. Oh yeah. They were all, yeah, they were all little. And you know, when they came to America, they've done studies on this with immigrants. When they come to America within a generation or two, they're all much taller. It was nutrients.

They all had deficiencies, they were so poor. That's fucked up. That's crazy. Speaking of giant men, did you guys see the post that Shaq did, he had just bought a yacht recently. Did you guys see that? Oh my God. So the internet sometimes is so undefeated, bro. Like the comments that Shaq did, he had just bought a yacht recently. Did you guys see that? Oh my God. So the internet sometimes is so undefeated, bro.

When the comments that somebody, like someone said, so someone added in a comment right after, he did a picture and it's yachts behind him. He's like, oh, I just got a yacht. What should I name it? And someone said, free throw, so you don't sink it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that one. Yo, it's like so good I died laughing. He's gotta get a lot of specially made stuff, right? Because he's so big.

Oh yeah. Well, all the cars, he has to like, they have to engineer it so he seats in the back seat. So they basically put his front seat in the back seat. Like that? Yeah, because he's... Wow. What a bummer, like something like that. I guarantee he's never been able to drive an exotic car.

You can't fit in an exotic car like that. They're all tiny. You have to put it on like a custom make-up. The pedals are like this. Like you can't, there's no way a guy can. How crappy would it be if you were as big as him and you were never pro athlete? You're just uncomfortable all the time.

You know what I mean? For no reason. You just really like to read. Yeah. Just like, who's this guy? I feel that way. We did that just the other day. There was a girl who called in like, whatever we assume, right? Because someone's like, this girl was like sick foot.

And we're like, oh, did you play any sports? She's like, no. So just oops. Yeah. Yeah. You feel bad. You're just awkward. Yeah.

No, I mean, I, yeah, that would suck to be that big and uncomfortable without ever making millions of dollars in a sport. Yeah. You know? Great. Speaking of reading, I read a stat and I somebody so you guys probably heard the stat before I'm gonna pull it up. I read the stat and this individual put it in a way to where it really blew my mind. So trip off this you're gonna

love this Adam this is right up your alley. Okay. On average, now I know California's around this okay, we spend $15,000 per child per year in public schools. So in a public school receives funding generally around, and it depends on state to state, but I know this is true for California, $15,000 per student per school year. Now this person says, imagine if that money went directly to families, and I've always thought that.

Imagine if a family had 15 grand for the school system. How much better of an education could they find than their local, you know, whatever? Here's what this guy put it, and I never thought thought that. Imagine if a family had 15 grand. Voucher system. How much better of an education could they find than their local, you know, whatever? Here's what this guy put it, and I never thought of this. A teacher, a really good teacher, could set up a micro school with 10 students and pull $154,000 a year. Oh, wow.

So a good teacher could literally just get 10 students, take that 15 grand. Great model, yeah. And they're making way more than they would as a teacher in a public school, having to teach 30 kids in a classroom. Yeah, and you got way more one-on-one. I mean, that was one of the most impressive.

How crazy is that? Yeah, education. No, I mean, we're starting to see it though. You guys see it, right? Like, there's a lot of people that are trying to disrupt. I mean, I saw Hormozi the other day. I didn't even know he was building a school. Did you know he was building a school?

Yeah, what's it, look it up. Look up what it's called or where he's at with it right now. But I mean, you got him, you have Vilon, you have- There's a few in Texas. Tim Kennedy has a good school. Tim Kennedy. So there's a lot of people

that are starting to disrupt that. You know what, after reading that, imagine if you got enough teachers to, because a lot of teachers complain about how little they get paid. They get paid very little. It's hard work, et cetera, et cetera. But imagine if you had enough teachers to, cause a lot of teachers complain about how little they get paid. They get paid very little. It's hard work, et cetera, et cetera. But imagine if you had enough teachers

who are like, you know what? I do a damn good job. I could easily find 10 families to pay me. Yeah. Like let's make this happen. The only problem is the families have the money, but if we're able to get the money from the state instead of going to the school.

Sure. Oh my God, they would crush. What is it? So much better. It's called my God, they were crushed. What is it? It's so much better. It's called school, spelled with a K. School, okay. We don't need no.

Is it started? Is it live? I don't know. Oh, you just did like YouTube and you can't. And what is he teaching? Oh yeah, I don't know. I think it's more business type things. Oh, I see.

Is it specific to that? I believe so, but yeah, $10,000 monthly income, community mastery, et cetera. Interesting. I don't think it's like trying to replace standard education. Okay, all right. Hey, I gotta tell you guys about an interesting study on cannabis that came out.

I'm gonna pull it up here. Positive or negative? See if I tell you, then you'll know what's gonna happen. I'll just read the title. It's positive. Study links recreational cannabis use to lower risks of cognitive decline and dementia related diseases. So. What?

Yes. So a new study published in the journal, Current Alzheimer Research that looked at 4,744 American adults over 45 using self-reported methods of calculating cognitive decline found those who use cannabis recreationally had a 96% lower chance of developing what they called subjective cognitive decline. You know the flaw in that study? It's self-reported.

He asked a bunch of stoners,, do you feel smarter than what you were? Ask a bunch of stoners they think this smarter today that they were Meanwhile we have the most flat earth number of ever. You know why I think of that too? I used to have so many friends. I used to have that for alcohol too. You guys doing any better? Even the productivity one, I bet you there's flawed studies with that too. I remember

trying to talk to my friends from smoking weed so much. Like, hey, you know, I know you think you're really productive on it. Stuff like that. But imagine what you would be like, oh oh no no I it makes me get up and I'm motivated when I do it I just their perception of being high is so positive so good now to the day report all this good defense the study is following them over time and they're doing they're they're answering questions

like do you forget this do you remember this how does this work how do you feel here so so there may be something to it because I have seen other studies. Are there any cognitive tests they have to do or is this just all like... Yes, but it's not done by a researcher, that being said. But I did, this does kind of connect to other studies I've seen where, because they are researching cannabinoids for things like dementia and Alzheimer's. Now the theory is that it may help with insulin sensitivity and there may be some neuronal pruning effects that may reduce the risk of some of these diseases. So this isn't crazy.

It isn't in the realm of crazy. In fact, Doug, you could look up cannabinoid research and dementia and you'll actually find... Well, it's mainly the cannabinoids, right? It's not the THC. THC is a cannabinoid research and dementia, and you'll actually find- Wasn't it, it's mainly the cannabinoids, right? It's not the THC- THC is a cannabinoid. Well, okay, so that's all in combination? Or have they parsed out like- No, these are weed users.

Yeah, it was interesting that the study didn't make them either parse out if they were smokers or edible eaters too, because I would think that would make a difference too with dementia, like I would imagine smoking and inhaling- Smoking's always gonna be worse. Yeah, yeah, so I would think that would make a difference too with dementia. Like I would imagine smoking and inhaling. Smoking's always gonna be worse. Yeah, yeah. So I would think that would be not ideal.

But, but like I said, I've seen other studies and I know that they're studying cannabinoids for brain disorders, because they do find that, look, it does affect short-term memory, but there may be something to that to where it may prevent other things. I mean, anecdotally, it was funny because like when we first started the show, like I was probably the least user out of all of us and was always kind of looking out for any kind of new tropic

or anything to help out. Like, because it was just hard for me to remember things and had a hard time, you know, from playing football for so long, but just would eat like a five milligram edible occasionally. And I felt like I could recall information easier. It was my own personal experience. And Doug, did you find any studies? I wonder if it was that for you or like a- Yeah, there are studies.

Yeah, it might be that. According to this though, there are no research studies that prove cannabis or products such as cannabis oil can stop, reverse or prevent right they haven't any specific studies right but you know agitation dementia they come with dementia etc now Doug will you ever use if you're not with us will you ever use cannabis at home it would be very rare yeah I wouldn't think you'd yeah I really don't like it as it because if one thing it disrupts my sleep like it. Because one thing, it disrupts my sleep. It helps you go to sleep, but it disrupts my sleep.

Yeah, so it's just when we eat peer pressure. That's not the main reason, though. You eat a lot on it, you snack on it. Oh, yeah. If I do it a little bit earlier in the day, my appetite goes through the roof. Yeah, that used to be my way of gaining. That was how I used it to bulk.

Maybe if they did a cannabis tersepidide blend, might be OK for me. Yeah, see I'm pulling up all kinds of Because they are looking into it and the pharmaceutical companies for a second. I don't know if they still are are looking at cannabinoids and dementia and Alzheimer's so I mean it's interesting. So here's a study that I just found that that THC saw an improvement in It's interesting. So here's a study that I just found that THC saw an improvement in individuals who used it

for things like agitation, aggression, irritability, liability, or lability, excuse me, anxiety, insomnia. They also saw that they're, so this study was for neuropsychiatric symptoms of dementia. So I don't know. It's very interesting. There's definitely something there is what

I'm saying. Just like the studies that show that people who use cannabis regularly Tend to be less have less body fat. That's a weird one. Have you guys seen those? I've seen that Yeah, which is weird because you think of the munchies and stuff like that, but that's why it's so weird Yeah, that's why it's so interesting. Yeah Now how do you What is yours and Jessica's consumption look like with cannabis, I haven't asked you that. I use a lot less now.

A lot less. Yeah, maybe. Her too or she still like it? Less but. Who uses it more, her or you? She does. She uses it more than you. Yeah, she uses it more than I do.

But I'm probably maybe twice a week, once a week. And then she's like me, she likes to smoke it, right? She's not an edible person? Either. Oh, either. Yeah, either one. Yeah, edibles are just, I don't know. Katrina prefers an edible.

That's normally how I get her. If I see inhaling it for me, it can make me paranoid or anxious during the day. So like going out during the day, I don't like the way it feels. Edibles preferable. You rarely ever catch me in the daytime having that. It's not a nighttime thing.

Dude, I gotta bring up another article that was ridiculous. The media is funny with the way they spin things to try to, and people just read headlines, so they'll assume what the headline said was correct, but I'll read you the headline first. This is in the Daily Mail health section anyway. 16.5 million Americans are at risk of stroke from exercising too hard.

Is that the one that Rob Wolf? Yeah, Rob Wolf shared that. Study suggests, okay, so, oh no, you guys, working out will give you a stroke. This is when I start to think that they are purposely trying to make people. Love what they're trying to infer there. This is when I start to think, and I've seen a lot

of articles that are ridiculous like this, like, are they literally trying to get people to stop exercising? Are they demonizing exercise? So here's what happened. Indian scientists created a model for how blockages affected arteries in the neck. They found high blood flow and those that were partially blocked, raised stroke risk. Therefore, when you're working out and increasing blood flow, you could increase your risk of stroke.

From the blood flow, stupid, dumb. When all the studies that we have show, unequivocally, exercising properly. How does something like that get funded? Like, what's the desired outcome? It's not, I think that the article is what does it. I think the science- Sensationalize it to get clicks.

Yeah, and the study are like, yeah, this actually doesn't mean anything. Well, dude. Yeah, and I was are like, yeah, this actually doesn't mean anything. Well, you know, yeah. And I was wondering too, because Rob Wolf made the point, it's like, you know, is this an attempt to start normalizing like deaths? You know, that there may be an increase. He was like that we're going to see he was like subtly pointing vaccine direction, right? I was assuming that was kind of like that was, yeah, he was eluding.

He didn't say that, but it felt like that was kind of the undertone of that. Yeah, and so what it's saying here, this is simulated. This is like a simulated model, and they're saying, scientists found that the healthy and mildly blocked carotid arteries had their health boosted by exercise, but those with severe blockage, the results were described as concerning.

Well, if you have severe blockage, a lot of things can cause potential problems. But what they're trying to do is they're trying to say, if you have an almost fully blocked artery, carotid artery, then working out real hard might cause a problem. Well, yeah, so is someone hugging you too hard, or I don't know, like, it's crazy.

Because you read the article or the headline, and the average person's like, oh my God, honey, this is why I'm not gonna go work out. Yeah, well, yeah. I already had a stroke. I don't want another one. That's crazy. I know. You know what else is crazy? I'm in the middle of it right now.

I'm probably maybe a little over halfway right now. I'm listening to the Patrick Bette David interview Suge Knight in prison. Oh wow. Which is crazy. It's already crazy, right? You were starting to talk about this and then you had to stop. Yeah, yeah. So he, and he basically, so I didn't know this.

So Patrick Bette David prefaces it before it starts. Suge Knight reached out to him. So Suge Knight's like a fan of the show. Oh, really? And it was like, and I don't know if you guys are following it. He's in prison. How much, yeah, he's in prison.

So I don't know how much you guys follow PBD and stuff like that and the content. But he been going yeah he's been he's crushing right now and he's been interviewing all kinds of people and challenged like I think he interviewed P Diddy's lawyer and so he's like doing a lot of like interviews like that and Suge Knight reached out to him it's just like hey call me I'll basically spill the beans about Diddy, Tupac, me I'll basically spill the beans about Diddy, Tupac, the B.I.G., whatever. So they talked about a lot of different things and probably the thing that I thought was most interesting and by no means is he defending P. Diddy because he's like, we're not friends, I don't like that fool, whatever.

So he's not, but he's like, he's basically was alluding that he's just a fall guy. He's like, first of all, he's like, where do you think he learned that behavior? Sure. He's like, so that was a top behavior to do that. How to use that to gain power. Yes. And so he starts alluding to like the big executives

like Clive Owen and Jimmy Ivy and like some of these big name guys. And he says, and part of what, and then they talked about Cat Williams and what Cat Williams said, like how 2024 is going to be crazy. The reason why that is, is because for so many decades, there's been this machine that's produced artists. And then there's been the people at the top that have decided who's going to be the most famous, who's going to make what money and all these- The gatekeepers. The gatekeepers of this for the longest time.

And they've had ways to entrap people and control them and manipulate them. And this has been happening for a very long time. And for the first time ever, it's being massively disrupted. And because it's being disrupted, that's why all this stuff is coming out because it's no longer working. The powers that be can no longer control and decide who's going to be the most famous. So it's all falling apart.

Yeah, so it's all falling apart, which is how and why Cat Williams was able to predict what he's predicting is unfolding. And then he said something else that I'd never heard anyone say he referred to Illuminati and, and, uh, Mace, free Masons. And he, and he, he referred to free Masons as like God fearing God believing like underground, like high power group and Illuminati is like devil worshiping devil. Like, like, have you heard any of that? I know you're more into reading all that stuff. Yeah. You have read about all that stuff. You have like school and bones and all the secret societies. And I mean, there's, there's a lot of like intertwining crossover too. And you get like further in the levels of each and like 33rd masons and all that.

Yeah. And so it's, yeah, cause it's a lot of the secretive stuff, like they have like rituals and it's all like, um, on the surface, they do a lot of community work and the Luminati itself, this has always been one that, like there's references back in the day for the Knights Templar sort of being excommunicated from the church and like, you know, from going and having that whole war where they collected a lot of relics and stuff. And so they've, I mean, they've tied them to a lot of the different relics that are gone, like the Ark of the Covenant and like this and that, and that they had their hands on it and they hid it and they have all this like secret knowledge and power and that they sort of turned that once they got excommunicated, like a lot of them went underground and created

Illuminati. So anyway, this is all like crazy, like real rabbit hole stuff that I, you know, I read a bit of the Dan Brown books and stuff like that about symbolism. So Illuminati's supposed to be like Satan worshiping? Yeah. And Freemasons.

That kind of makes sense, Illuminati, Lucifer, light. Yes, it's the light being. The light bearer or whatever. I mean, the interview's sucking me in right now. I think I'm halfway through it already. There's a lot of Freemasonry symbolism on old buildings. A lot of the presidents were Freemasons. Yeah, so it's a protractor, right?

Or what is it? And like even this, and so if you look at like Gmail, and they have like a little pouch that they have in their ceremonies. It looks, so that's why you look at a lot of these big like tech companies and you see a lot of their logos and symbolism. Like there's Freemasonry stuff that's in there too. We're protractors.

There's a lot of weird, I mean, you know, and so part of like, you know, it was funny cause Katrina told me about the interview first and then she was talking about, yeah, but then he was, and I, like, I started saying like, Oh, I bet he's defending himself like this. And she's like, oh my God, that's exactly how he's defending himself. I said, well, yeah, of course he's like, I'm like, so he's, he, he's thrusted into this industry that is completely corrupt dirties with that. And he's just was a bigger batter motherfucker than all those guys. I mean, try, try messing with shook. Like he's like that he's real gangster. And

so of course he hold a, uh hold the, what's his name? The ice over a balcony? Yes, yes. He's got all kinds of crazy stories. I love that story. But that was his way of controlling an uncontrollable environment like that. And of course he ends up losing that battle

because he's not connected enough and powerful enough. And so he did what he could do to get to where he's at. And supposedly like his company was worth like five or seven hundred million dollars before he went in and it was all to get him in so then they could basically rip the company out from underneath him for pennies on the dollar. Did you have you guys ever seen since we're going down here you ever seen that video I don't know what it was I think it was George Bush seniors funeral or Trump's inauguration I remember what it was but but like all these, like Clinton,

and you know, Hillary Clinton, all these people were getting envelopes at this event, and they're opening them, and then all of their faces dropped. Have you seen that video? What was that? No, I haven't seen that. Yeah, I've seen that.

What do you think that was at H.W. Bush's funeral? Bro, you haven't seen that video? They thought. Pull it up, Doug. The speculation, of course, to like the conspiracy. It was telling that Epstein was gonna get caught? Exactly, like it was like a revealing of like Epstein. So at this thing, we have all these like ex-presidents

and powerful people, all of them get this mysterious envelope and they all open it kind of at the same time. I do find it really- You should see the looks on their faces. That was when Hillary Clinton's emails were starting to get looked at. Yes. Like it was kind of the timing of that was all interesting.

Yeah, dude. It's weird. I do find it really interesting. And the most interesting thing about the show thing was him making that point. And it's like, you know, that's so true. Like you, all of us are like, Oh my God, Epstein, Diddy, all of a sudden. But people it's like, this is learned behavior. Like somebody taught these guys, this is the formula.

What you do with these powerful rich people is shower them with money and women and sex and drugs and have a good time and record these motherfuckers doing all this stuff and then you hold that over their head. The thing about intelligence agencies, what's the best way to get intel on people? The honey pot is like these fairies. So now you could look all the way back, and this is my own theory, but like Project Mockingbird, and you could get into that sort of understanding of how intelligence agencies got their fingers in every single entertainment industry.

And they were able to control messaging and propaganda and what was coming in and out of Hollywood exclusively. And it's like, this is just stuff that gets overlooked, but it never left. Yeah, that's what both Kat and Shug were saying. It was just like, dude, Hollywood isn't designed to entertain you. It's by a byproduct entertains you.

It's been propagandized. Look at A1. These are the envelopes that, as they're opening them, the looks on their faces are like, what? Oh, that's just one clip. But it goes through a bunch of really powerful people. Did you know this, along these lines, as we're talking about this, in Hollywood?

I saw an interview with- Look at Hillary. They just all freaking out. They all have these same strange envelopes. Did you know this along these lines as we're talking about this in Hollywood? I saw an interview with They just all freaking out they all have the same strange like scared So I saw an interview with Candice Owens and then I saw another interview was Forget who else was saying it but yeah, you dug and Google this and look this up Do you know how many do you know that the Pentagon has a allocated budget for Hollywood? Yeah Yeah, I know that. Did you know that? Yeah, I did.

And some of the biggest movies that we've had, that were like biggest blockbuster movies that ever happened, were funded by them. Yep, it's Propaganda Machine. Yes. You've heard, yeah, did you guys ever hear Eisenhower's, one of his farewell speeches on beware of the military industrial complex.

He literally did a speech to the American public and he told them, this monster, we need to stop this monster, this military industrial complex. They were pulling the strings and they ignored it. You could pull it up and listen to it. So I mean, there's a... Well, it's all out in the open now.

I mean, I don't know, man. I mean, we're to listen to the one that, like I said, I'm listening to it. It's a little tough to listen to because it's obviously, it's like every 15 minutes, it gets interrupted. Oh, because he's calling from prison. Yeah, he's calling from prison.

So they had to put it, so it's an hour and 15 minutes, or hour and a half interview, in 15 minute blocks. Oh, wow. So like, you hear the operator come on, and then it's like, I mean, they tried their best to edit it, so there's not a gap for the listener. But you still know, because you hear the operator come on in the background, and then the next clip

gets edited and smushed in or whatever, and he is on a phone. But I thought PBD did a pretty good job of like, he would say something and then he'd clarify it in case you're like trying to listen to what he was saying. But super, super interesting what he was dropping on there. This year's gonna be weird. It's just getting more weird.

Not looking forward to it. Look, by the way, the shout out is our live event. It's mindpumplive.com we still have spots available if you want to come see us live event in Las Vegas on June 15th. Get yourself signed up. ButcherBox is a company that delivers grass-fed meats, heritage pork, free range chicken, wild caught fish to your door at great prices. Go check them out get healthy meat good protein Go to butcher box comm forward slash mind pump and on that link you'll get $20 off your first box All right back to the show Our first caller is Tyler from Minnesota. What up, Tyler? What's up, Tyler? How can we help you?

Hey guys, nice to meet you in person. It's so cool Like see you guys versus just like on the podcast. So it's a pleasure to meet you guys It's so cool to like see you guys versus just like on the podcast. So it's a pleasure to meet you guys. So I'll get right into my question. So I'm five, 10, 19 years old and I'm currently a collegiate athlete. So during my first college season, which was last fall, I dropped from 145 pounds down to 130, 130 pounds, which put me at like seven to 8% body fat. This was mainly due to me like under eating at like 2,300 calories and then

also over training basically every single day with practice and then doing stuff outside of that. I was taking around 20,000 to 2,500 steps a day and I wasn't like in a good place mentally or physically. And then that's when I found your guys' podcast. And I started listening to you guys and you talked about like reverse dieting, things like that.

And that really helped me. I started bulking, I started weight training more, I cut my cardio down and then all my lifts started to go up. I actually put on 20 pounds to all my squat dead lift and bench press. Actually more, um, more than that. I'm like my dead lift, which is pretty good. And now I'm sitting at about 12% body fat and feeling a lot healthier. So thank you guys for that.

Awesome. So, yeah. So my question for you guys is as I get closer to my upcoming, upcoming season, next fall, how can I continue to gain muscle while also focusing on the sport, especially because they'll have increased amounts of cardio and be focusing on practice and things like that. So like what kind of programming do you guys recommend?

Great question. My second part, yeah, my second half of that question is also how can I continue or should I continue to bulk around like 2,700 calories or should I go more into like a maintenance or cutting phase? Good question. So are you still because you're not in season right now, right? How long until training starts for the season? It'll be August.

Okay. Okay. So like four months. During this period of time, have you done any, have you played any soccer? Have you done any, any games on your own clubs? Yeah, we have off season training, which will be like four times a week.

So that will, I'll micarty a little bit, but outside of that, I won't do a lot of like extra work outside of like extra running. Now, how much do you weigh now? Cause you weighed 135 before now and since you've been reverse dieting all that stuff what's your body weight at now? I'm at 146. Okay and then how do you feel performance wise has it positively or negatively impacted your performance on the field? I'd say it's positively impacted for sure I feel stronger before I felt like a little bit weaker, like I had run out of energy sometimes now that like I'm eating more and I feel like

I have more energy and just a little bit stronger too. Okay, good. And you're a collegiate athlete, so this is your pretty high level. I have performance advanced and stay in the maintenance. I would not try to gain muscle while in season. So the goal is not to chase a lot of physical progress when in season. The goal when in season is to try to maintain your health and prevent injury. Off season is when you wanna build.

And here's why. If you push trying to gain while playing, typically what happens is the risk of injury tends to go up quite a bit. So really it's about reducing the volume of your training and it's about eating appropriately. I don't think you should ever go on a cut when in season. I think you should eat and feed your body

and try to maintain or gain a little bit if that feels okay, but you're not trying to make any big changes, right? So you're not trying to go crazy bulk, definitely not go on a cut. What does your practice and game schedule look like when you're in season? Four days a week, right? Is it? In season. Oh. Yeah. So in season it's usually five or six days a week. Also the pre-season we're doing like double days, so during that time I'll usually be hitting 20,000 steps a day at least. Okay, I think what would probably be an appropriate way to strength train during that period of time would be like one or two lifts a day.

Maps 15. Yeah, maps 15 would be a good kind of baseline program for you. I don't think you should do a full strength training workout, you know, one or two days a week while you're doing that. I don't think you should do a full strength training workout, you know one or two days a week while you're doing that You're just trying to maintain health mobility and strength and even the intensity of the strength training is to be moderate What about his four months leading up to that? That's what he's getting at four months leading up to it. We could settle Yeah, I was advanced mass performance advanced would be your would be your game changer and and I would eat in a slight surplus while Doing that just to fuel performance now any modifications to? Because he's doing soccer four times a week, even in the off season right now.

So he's playing. He's going to be, would you pull back a day? Or would you replace some of the skill? Would you count that as his skills days? You could take a skill day out. It depends on how much volume that is, in terms of you being taxed. So you'd have to really pay attention to your body's

feedback with that. However, it would be, you know, just as a good idea to apply a skill session and then go to practice, depending on if that's, you know, an appropriate amount of stress. When you're playing, when you're doing the four days a week now off season, what does that look like? Give me, give me a rundown of a day. Yeah. So we'll do normally like two harder sessions and then two lighter sessions.

So it does alternate a little bit. So there are some days where it's a little bit more recovery based and just guilt. We're not actually running as much, which is nice. So they have a little time to recover there. And then there will be two harder days where it's around 10,000 steps and a little bit more. Now they're just cardio focused. How long are the, are the, are the sessions when you're doing the hard, the hard days?

Hour and a half to two hours. Usually it's around an hour and a half. Okay. And then, okay, so someone like you at your level of training, you've been doing this for a long time at your age. How do you feel in the off season with this? Does it feel like a piece of cake or are you like, oh my God, this is really hard? I, I do find it. It's pretty easy for me most of the time. I've been in pretty good cardio shape my whole life. So like coming out of it into like off season stuff, it feels pretty easy, which is nice. I think mass performance advanced would be good. And I think replaying and anything taking out one of the, one of the skills

days, and if you're, if you feel tired or reduce the volume on the training of the, of the program, but in the off season, I think you'd be okay because your body is built such high resilience for that kind of training. I don't think it's pushing too far. Even so even on the skill days, you'll, you'll see there's specific priming sequences, like a, a list of like mobility exercises for you to prime before some of these skill days.

So you could even apply that priming sequence before your intensified practice. So that would still be valuable to you. Just it's really like trying to teach the body these specific movements so you respond at an even greater level. So but yeah, that's that would be sort of my recommendation. Let's do this Tyler since like this will be and this will be fun for us and good for our audience in our people In our forum. I'll have Doug give you performance advance I'm also gonna have him put you in the forum and then you can start to unpack the program apply it yourself And then if you have questions just message us in the forum like hey, I was thinking about doing this Is that too much and then in Justin or us will respond to you like,

yeah, it's a good call or whatever like that, if you have any questions. But I think a MAPS performance advanced, heading into the season and then MAPS 15, when you get into season, we'll get you started on advanced right now. A great recipe for you. How long have you been consistently playing

high level soccer, by the way? So this is my second, I'll be going in my second year of collegiate soccer and I was playing before that probably like four years. So I'm at five years of high intensity soccer. And before that it was, I did multi-sport before that too. Okay. Okay. And the reason why I asked that is your, your ability to tolerate exercise stress is a lot higher than the average person. So, and that's why I asked you how you felt with your off-season training.

If I took the average person, they told me they played soccer four days a week, that's a lot for the average person. But someone at your level, it feels like, you're probably cruising. Yeah, it feels like it's probably easy for you. So I think mass performance advance would be perfect. Yeah, also, do you feel disrespected

that Sal wears Sambos? No, he's good. He can wear whatever he wants. OK, OK, just checking. You know, hey, by the way, I'm the one that says soccer is one of the top sports in the world. These guys talk shit all the time. We do talk shit.

All right. I appreciate that. We got you, Tyler. We're going to send that over to you, get you in the forum, and then just hit us up if you got any questions, bro. Look forward to seeing how it works out for you Alright, thank you guys so much. Appreciate you Thanks, brother

You know a good point to make with that is you know, like when I would train like blue-collar workers Who were doing you know, they've construction already adapted to the yeah, it's like that's like, you know I look I used to go every summer. It's a different animal, yeah. Yeah, every summer I'd go and I'd work with my dad. And even as a fit, 16, 17-year-old kid, I'd just get hammered. My dad would whistle while he's working. It wouldn't be a big deal.

And that just goes to show your tolerance for that type of stress. When you've been doing it for so long and you're acclimated, it's so different. They're much more energy efficient. Yeah, so sometimes people will hear us talk to the average person who's like, oh, you know, I do, you know, at 45, four days a week.

And we're telling them to scale way back. Way back, right? He's 19 years old. He's been playing high level soccer for a long time. He doesn't have kids, hopefully. I don't think he does. And you know, his age and stuff like that. So, you know, and he's gained muscle

and he's bumped his calories up and he's given us no indication that he's over trained. In fact, he said it feels like it's cruising. So adding something like mass performance is totally appropriate. That's that just highlights the individual variance. Yeah, that's why I love that we do these right here, because again, why I can't stand short form reels and shorts and stuff. That's one minute on getting into these debates with trainers of like, yeah, that makes a huge difference. That same question could be asked by a different person. That's right. And after we find out enough information, the advice is completely different. It's not that generic that it's just like,

oh yeah, you're an athlete, this applies. Or, oh, you want to play soccer? Oh, this applies. It's like, no, there's more nuance than that. Our next caller is Adam from the Cayman Islands. What's up, Adam? How can we help you? Hey, really great to speak to you, Adam and Justin. Really appreciate you taking my call and thank you for inviting me on. I've been listening to you guys since 2021 and your podcast got me through COVID. Your banter, your variety of conversation topics

just allowed me to kind of really ground myself during that time and mentally I really appreciate it. Physically I have two of your programs, anabolic and aesthetic, but it's only been this year that I've really run them with fidelity. I've been focused on making sure I do the trigger sessions and the focus sessions. Um, I'm 49. I'm in the best shape of my life right now. And that's down to you guys. Um, my only criticism is where were you 30 years ago with these programs? And then I realized you were probably only 15.

We're just starting to figure it out. Adam was in the woods with 30 magazine. So my question is, um, I'm in the second phase of the aesthetics maps program at the moment. Um, and I was wondering instead of the focus sessions, can I instead swim 10 lengths using arms only for one focus session or swim with just the legs for the next focus session, would it have the same effect? I happen to be lucky enough to have access to a pool

at the moment and would like to maximize the use of it. What's the effect that you're looking for? I guess now I've started really using the focus and trigger sessions, I see more kind of definition. Okay. Well, definition is more of just a fat loss effect. So that's more like diet, calorie deficit. If you're looking for the effect of the focus session in terms of muscle building, it won't give you the same effect.

However, you will get other effects that you may want, right? Stamina, endurance, stability in the joints of the shoulders and the hips. So it's activity, it's good for you, it gives you stamina and endurance and if you really, really enjoy it, especially if you enjoy it more than your traditional focus session, then do it. I mean that's the way I would approach this question. Is it the best way to build your arms? No. But if you got a pool and part of your goal is, hey, I want to use this thing, this would be nice. I like it. I enjoy it. It ain't going to hurt you. You're not going to,

you're not going to lose muscle from doing 10 lengths three times for, you know, arms and legs for swimming. You're not going to, that's not going to hurt you. If anything, it's only going to benefit you on the cardiovascular point that Sal's making. It's very good for you. And if you enjoy it, I see lots of benefit to it, but it's not the fastest way to get the biggest arms, if that was the question. Like if you said, yo, I want jacked arms. I was thinking about doing this instead of that. I'd say, well, you'd be better off doing the focus sessions. That's going to grow your arms faster. But if you're a

client of mine who wants to use this pool and wants to do this, this is where I would totally modify the program. Okay. Yeah, that all makes sense. Um, you've, you guys haven't really spoken that much about swimming. Um, I remember one of you going through kind of a swimming program. Yeah. And, um, you know, what, how can I maybe maximize the use of my pool then? I mean, so at that time in my life, I was kind of coming off my mobility kick.

I wanted to get back in cardiovascular shape. It was a new skill for me. I really looked at it as like part of what has kept me training for over 20 years of my life consistently is I like to move in and out of different modalities to challenge myself. I did not approach it like this is going to get me in the best shape aesthetically, or this is going to get me in the best. Like it really was the value of consistency, consistently moving and

training and trying new things is so good for the body. That was, that's the mental approach I would tell you to have towards something like that. And then if you don't want it to impede on all the muscle that you built, just like I didn't want it to impede on that, just be aware of how much of it you're doing. If it turns into hour long plus cardio sessions, that's probably not benefiting

the amount of lean body mass you have. And in fact, you're probably going to probably lose a little bit from doing so much cardio. But if you're doing 10 lengths, I don't know how long that takes, but that's not very long to do 10 lengths of the pull. It's definitely not no hour of cardio. That's not going to impede that at all. So I love you intermittently adding that into your week, anywhere from two to four times a week, I think is a good amount of volume that's not gonna overdo it and lose muscle from it. And I think would gain a ton of benefit and enjoy it. Yeah, I would say if you're gonna do a lot more swimming,

then I wouldn't do MAPS Aesthetic because that's such a high volume program. We have other programs that would be more appropriate if you were gonna do a lot of swimming. Or he would replace it with the focus stage, right? Because like, what you're doing here is fine, but let's say you wanna swim five days a week and you really wanted to go and really work on it,

then I would go to a different program with less volume. Okay, yeah, I mean, I prefer in a way, the anabolic for this one probably. Is that something that you would suggest as well? Yep, I would suggest that, yeah. And what's great about anabolic, it's so, I think in its simplicity, the way it's structured, and to Sal's point,

if like all of a sudden you're like really getting into the swimming, like man, this is, I'm enjoying this, I'm gonna go five days a week, and man, I'm starting to do 40 minutes of it. Well, then you scale all the way back to one day a week of anabolic, and then five days of swimming, because you're loving swimming so much. Or you're somewhere in the middle where you're like,

ah, three days a week of swimming's good, but I still love the strength training, so you do two days a week. You can really, but you just got to know how to listen to your body and tell if, are you recovering well? Do you feel good? Are you still staying strong? And let that be your driver of, oh, I probably need to scale back a little bit because I'm doing so much swimming or let that be the driver to increase the volume of training. And Anabolic is an easy program to kind of, you know, figure out how to do that. Yeah, no, that's perfect. That's a great answer. In fact, the

I do need to listen to my body more. I feel like sometimes I overdo it and then I have to have, you know, a week or two out because, you know, my body's still recovering, especially as I age. I seem to have found that's an issue. Yeah, you know what a good program is too where just less volume and it just takes, kind of takes those things into account is our maps 40 plus a program, which is similar to maps anabolic and the way it's created. Uh, but some of the exercises are modified. You, you mentioned your age. Uh,

do you have that program? It's impact on the very valuable program. No, no, I don't actually know. I haven't got that one. I'll send that to you. Oh yeah. No, that's appreciated. Thank you. I'll take a look for sure. You got it, my friend. But yeah. But that's obviously something similar to anabolic. So therefore I just have to play around with a little bit in relation to in swimming and within that. That's right. I'm going to have Doug send a suitcase of money to you too,

if you could take care of that for us while you're out there. Unfortunately, I'm not in banking and education. Come on. It's a point of having you out there. If any of you visit any time, feel free to drop me a line. I'll show you around. All right. All right.

Thank you. Thanks, Adam. Hey, thanks very much for answering the question and taking the time. Really appreciate you guys. You got it, man. Take it right. Thank you. Thanks Adam. Hey, thanks very much for answering the question and taking the time. Really appreciate you guys. You got it, man. All right. Take it easy. Thank you. Where are the Cayman islands? Well, I think it's in the Caribbean. I don't know exactly where. It's in the deal with Turks and Caicos and all that stuff like that. Right.

Yeah. I think it's down to the same general area. Because it's in a, it's because of where it's at, like, uh, the rules and like laws. Jurisdiction. Yes. Yeah. I don't think they and like law. It's like jurisdiction. Yes. I don't think they have any taxes in the Cayman Islands. Yeah. So that's where all those. That's where all those. It's a tax shelter for a lot of people.

So what is it like? Like a company's profits. Is it near Puerto Rico? Is it near Puerto Rico? It's like Swiss bank accounts. I mean like Cancun, Jamaica, and Cuba. OK. And so the deal is that you could deposit, a company could have profits there and then as long

as you keep them there they don't get taxed the same way. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct but obviously we're dealing with the IRS and they have a way of taxing everybody's money everywhere so I would be very careful about it. Well you know you see like the Paul brothers now are in Puerto Rico, right? Well, that's yeah, but that's legal. Yeah, I'm saying so there must be some legal thing. That's well there is I mean the country itself has no income tax as far as I know I think I live in Puerto Rico for like oh, yeah months in a day

So what a lot of people have done in the past is they've created companies in the Cayman Islands and then had the money there Now if you try to repatriate it, I repatri it and bring it back to the US, then it gets taxed. But officially, I think the IRS says it gets taxed anyway. Oh really? Yeah, I don't know the exact rules. Doug's sure they figured it out. Yeah exactly. Doug's already lost a suitcase of money. He's like don't take that advice from Adam. I'm just very nervous about some of these offshore plans people put out there, just so you know. Last people we want to mess with. But anyway, I think he had a great question.

And it really just depends on what you enjoy doing. So if you enjoy swimming, there's nothing wrong with doing that instead of swimming. Don't do training around that. Well, he's not going to build as much muscle, so what? And I like stuff like that. Again, especially as we age, right? I mean, at least for me, I've had to do this type of stuff just to keep it interesting for me. Yeah.

Doing the same shit to be jacked all the time. I get bored of that. You got to enjoy what you're doing. Yeah. So I mean, if he's in, he's got a pool now by his side and it's like, man, that's going to just help your fitness. Do it, man. Next caller is Jacqueline from Dubai. Hey, Jacqueline, how can we help you? Hey guys, trying not to find out too hard right now. You know how most people listen to calm or headspace when they need to relax? Whenever I feel stressed and I see one of those what you eat in a day videos of those people having those obnoxiously low amounts of food. I play your guys' episodes and it gets me through my meals. So it's been a

lot of support. We make people hungry. Great. Doug, can you fix the TV up there? Thank you. How can we help you, Jacqueline? Right. So I've got like a three-parter kind of question. The first part is, you know, I'm, I need to gain weight and I need to start strength training. I have osteoporosis. So the strength itself is really important, but I go to the gym a lot and I see the women that end up weight training, strength training that for better or like time of the work, they look a little bit usually chunkier or thicker, like they look strong. But like what I want is like that more like that mean defined kind of look. I mean, like the second part is I want is more like that lean, defined kind of look. The second part is I've been wanting to grow my glutes a lot.

I love the look of the snagged waist with the glutes, but how much of that composition is due to genetics? I see a lot of women, again, working their glutes, but they never have the smaller waist. For example, I've spent a lot of time at one point below 5% body fat and I never had a defined core or defined abs So I'm thinking like like I said, I want to know how much of it is composition how much of it is Training how much of it is just down to genetics? Like you'll never have a specific shape And I have maps anabolic at the moment,

that's the third part of the question. And I really struggle with the breaks during the workout. So what I try and do is I try and superset exercises. So for example, I'll do a bicep curl, try something with the triceps, and then maybe squats, like I'll do it in a bit of a circuit format. So technically the muscle itself is having the rest desired. And I'll try and keep my heart rate low. So it's not as much like a cardio workout. And I don't know if that's just completely contradictory to what you should be doing. I don't know if that's detrimental to the workout itself, but yeah,

I'm all over the place. So I'll answer that last part very quickly, because that's an easy answer. And in supersetting exercises in circuit fashion completely changes the programming and it does completely change the effect of the workout. So it is now more of a stamina endurance based workout and it is not building anymore. I have, would you mind if I asked you some more questions before I continue so I can give you a better answers Yeah, go for it. Okay

Have you dealt with eating disorders in the past? Yes, so I struggled with anorexia for 15 years and a lot of that was over training as well as okay severely low amount of calories, so yeah that was Okay, and the reason why I'm asking you that is as someone your age, you're obviously very young osteoporosis is very rare unless somebody has severely undernourished themselves for a long period of time. Were you hospitalized at any point? Yes.

Yes, I was. Okay. Actually after like coming out of rehab, I worked a lot with ideal Khan and he did the follow statin therapy for me, the follow statin gene injection at the end of last year. So again, my body's primed in a point to build muscle and to gain that type of strength because of that. Okay. So, um, uh, so I, you, I going to give you, I'm going to say something to you and I want, I hope you can kind of trust what I'm saying.

For the time being and maybe for the foreseeable future, you probably can't trust your own eyes when it comes to how you perceive how bodies look, especially your own body. Because of what you've dealt with and what's happened to you in the past, although you seem to be doing much better, looking at yourself in the mirror and judging your progress based off of your appearance, you are going to see things that other people don't necessarily see. It's not going to be objective. It's never fully objective when we look at ourselves, but your subjective opinion is

very, very skewed in a direction that has led you in the past towards some pretty poor health. So much that you could be doing phenomenal and your brain is going to tell you otherwise, which is going to fuck you. The only way out of this, okay, is not going to be to try to change what you see. It's going to be to try to change what you see, it's going to be to stop looking. So you're gonna have to stop looking in the mirror and judging any progress based off of what you see in the mirror and what the scale says. You're gonna have to

completely submit and let go and judge your progress by your performance in the gym. 100% of everything you do, if you really want to move in the right direction, if you want to heal from what you've dealt with, and by the way, and I'm going to say this to sell you on what I'm saying, even though it's not necessarily the right thing to say, if you do what I'm about to tell you, you will look the way you think you want to look, although you may never really necessarily be able to see it. So that's just to sell you. But the truth is, you can't look at yourself and judge yourself based off of your appearance.

You can't look in the mirror and say, is my workout working? Is my butt developing? Is this leaner? Is this sculpting? Is this whatever? You have to completely, completely submit to performance. 100% of everything you do in the gym and 100% of everything you do with your diet has got to be focused on performance and the one aspect of performance in particular is strength.

If you're getting stronger, and I don't mean stronger like I can do five more exercises at the same time or I can move faster. I mean actual stronger. I'm lifting more weight I'm adding five pounds to the bar ten pounds to the bar I did two more reps if you just focus single-mindedly on that like hard-headed like I will not look at anything else All I care about is how strong I am you will start to move towards the path of healing you will solve The osteoporosis issue and you'll start to develop the body the physique healing. You will solve the osteoporosis issue and you will start to develop the body,

the physique and the health that you're looking for. Now that's not where you're gonna stop, but that's the only way you can start. Eventually you're gonna have to just focus on health, but I can't tell you that right now, because that won't work. So right now, just focus on strength. I have a program that I think you should follow.

I'll send you MAPS Power Lift if you don't have it. I want you to feed yourself to get stronger. That means hit your target body weight in grams of protein. Eat when you're hungry. If you're not getting stronger in the gym, try to eat more. Even if you feel, and here's the deal, you're going to feel uncomfortable eating more because your signals are all off. Because of the years and years of restricting, eating appropriate amounts of food to you

is going to feel like you're stuffing yourself. If you feel like you're stuffing yourself, you're probably eating the right amount kind of deal. Focus on performance, which is strength. Don't look in the mirror any longer than you have to. When you do look in the mirror, try to adjust your gaze to my hair, my makeup, put my clothes on, get out. And don't weigh yourself.

That's the only way this is going to work. Anything else I tell you is going to get hijacked by this challenge that you've been dealing with. And it's in osteoporosis with a young woman, if we don't move in the right direction, this can turn very bad very quickly. And I've worked with people like this. So what I'm saying is very, very serious. If you're open to it, Jaclyn,

I'd also like to put you in the forum and I'd love for you to check in with us once a month. Because what I'll also tell you is that I'll give you that look that you want. It's obtainable, okay? And you have the body, like you have the genetics to do it. You've got the small frame, I can see your structure. Like if you trained to get bulky or to put weight on,

you're actually going to get the shape you want. But the problem with that is the mental part is it's going to play games. Cause there's part, there's parts during that process where you go through this, the body starting to shape and change. And if you've struggled with that in the past, you're going to revert back to that feeling and then it's going to make you course correct. And we don't want you to do that. We want you to stay the course, which is why Sal's giving the advice of,

don't look in the mirror, don't weigh, just trust the process, feed your body accordingly. The only metric that we care about is more weight on the bar. You're benching more weight, you're squatting more weight, you're deadlifting more weight, you're hip-dressing more weight, and we're eating a good amount of calories. All the other stuff, you've got to trust the process and trust that we know what we're doing.

And if you do that, if you submit like that, I'll give you the look that you want, but you've got to fully commit. It may even be worth the investment to get a coach, to get a trainer, to get somebody's eyes on you. That gives you an objective feedback, and also, too, to just help reassure you

because it is so crazy. The mental games are gonna be playing through this and the old default patterns that you had previous to that. So this is a completely different operating system that we need to learn and teach your mind, teach your body, teach your focus on to just being comfortable with enjoying getting stronger and the process of that and, you know, honing in on that. So that would be my suggestion. Are you working with anybody,

Jacqueline, specifically with this? Do you have a therapist? Well, I mean, I have doctors and therapists and dieticians that follow me to make sure, for example, to prevent re-feeding, to have gotten my calories up to a safe place. Excellent. Great. But I suppose all the advice for strength training goes so much against the instinct of, for example, I know how to manipulate my body through unhealthy calorie deficit. And it goes against everything that I suppose it takes to strength grain grain gain. So it's like those against every single instinct you think of, like resting through sex, it just feels so wrong. Listen, I know what the answer is, but I'll ask you anyway, do you think you

can trust your eyes and your instincts? Oh gosh, that is for 15 years. I gave me osteoporosis, so hell no. So, so here's the deal. That's a big step to that you at least understand that and are aware of that. That's huge, so you know you can't trust your instincts. You know you can't trust your eyes.

So what you're gonna need to trust is our advice, trust the people that you're working with, and here's what's gonna happen over time. I've worked with people like you, Jacqueline, okay, in worse situations. Over time, those instincts are going to change a little bit. Or, at the very least, you're gonna be able to say no to those instincts and you're gonna be able to identify them very quickly and know the right direction to move. But you're gonna have to go against them. In other words, if you're going in a

direction that feels automatic, probably moving in the wrong direction. If you're moving in a direction where like, oh my gosh, like I should be moving more. Oh God, I feel like I'm stuffing myself. Okay, I'm probably doing the right thing. All right, I got this. I can do this. Yes, you can.

You can do it. We're gonna put you in the forum and I would love updates from you. I tell you what, Jacqueline, can we have you back on the show? Can we do a follow-up with you in like 60 days? Yeah, let's do it Let's do a 60-day follow-up and hopefully that I think that'll help and then we'll talk then okay maps power Lift is coming your way set you up in the forum

I still want you to check in with us Kay every few weeks to a month and then we'll do a follow-up in 60 days So you got some accountability to follow what we're talking about. Yeah, lean into the discomfort of this. Yeah, I'll be out benching you guys before you know. I like that goal. I like that it's not that far away for Sal. Yeah.

All right, thank you guys so, so, so much. You got it. Thank you. God bless you, thank you. Oh, that's hard. Yeah, yeah, that's a really hard one. It's tough because, uh, she knows though, at least which is big. Here's the hard part. Okay. Just, just full transparency. We're doing a podcast. We have a 10 minute conversation with somebody. And so it's like, I gotta hit them hard with a bunch of truths. Thankfully, thankfully

what's working for us is we've built a relationship with her an authority with her because she's listening to the show So it's more impactful than the average person But the truth is like when I when I've worked with people like that is a process This is this client okay, which I've trained many of these clients. This is a date. We're talking daily Yep, so every day you're right like this is sometimes multiple times Let's hope that we have that kind of impact on her that she really takes the advice, but. That's why I want to do the follow up.

I would want to be talking to her daily because every day there's gonna be little things that are going to challenge her on this process and keeping her straight during that is gonna be so important to having success in this. And so, you know, hopefully she stays in touch with us in the forum and that we can help guide through this and because this is, you know, this is one of my favorite

parts of this job, is that's life changing. You take somebody who's suffered from that for 15 years and is that young and already dealing with osteoporosis and you reverse that. And what you can. Yes, and you get them feeling different about themselves, their body, and then in addition to that, the bonus is they get the thing that they wanted, which is so crazy.

It's like, well, it's funny cause she'll have to detach from it first. I know it's you'll, she'll have to not care about it. And not want to not want it, not care about it in order to get it. Right. So funny. Our next caller is Kyler from Utah. Kyler, what's happening, man?

How can we help you? What's up? Hey, pretty cool to meet you guys for the first time. So, so yeah, some details that I included some, uh, five 11 to 20 pounds. I'm a little overweight right now, trying to get that back down. Have kind of wrote last year. So getting dialed back in, uh, near the end of last year was when I actually sent in my question.

Um, I injured myself, um, in kind of like, I keep having these injuries in my trap in my rhomboid. Um, so I keep doing them with like barbell shrugs, you know, I'll shrug too much weight. I'm trying to kind of increase the weight there. Um, and then most recently I kind of did the same thing by doing a pull down, um, you know, like an overhead pull down. So my question was kind of like, I am a software engineer.

I do work from home, you know, obvious desk job. Um, maybe it has more to do with my posture, but my question was, how do I kind of prevent those rhomboids like in trap injuries and kind of move forward, you know, strengthening that and find a better way forward. Is it your dominant side? Is it your, are you right or left handed and is it your dominant side? So usually it's my dominant trap. Um, and then the rhomboid, the, the further back when I was doing the pull down was my non-dominant side. Kyler, Kyler, um, have you had any previous neck injuries,

any herniated discs or slipped discs in your cervical spine? No, not that I know of any sports where that might've been an issue, football, uh, wrestling or anything like that. Nope. Okay. In my experience, repeated, uh, issues in the trap rhomboid type area can oftentimes come from an undiagnosed or diagnosed herniation in one of the discs. So when you shrug, what a lot of people do when they shrug is they'll kind of look up

and bring their neck back a little bit and cause the cervical spine to compress a little bit. If that causes any pressure on one of the nerves that comes out of the spine there into that area, then you kind of get this pain and you press on it and it kind of goes away, but it doesn't, it sticks around for a little while type of deal. Does that, is that what it feels like to you? Um, yeah, I mean kind of similar. So yeah, it's usually the, you know, at the top of the motion on the barbell shrug that I, that, you know,

and I'm trying to like, when I, you know, increased the weight too much, you know, maybe I don't have the best of forms and I feel it at the top and then it's pretty debilitating, debilitating for the next day or two. Yeah, that sounds like a nerve. That sounds like a nerve pain, not muscle pain. Um, you know, type of issue. Do you feel it now? Uh, no, I, I've been, I, I kind of reduced volume after this. I've also kind of been, you know, certainly hit and miss my workouts. So I kind of reduced, I was doing a pretty high volume.

Uh, I was doing, uh, athlete nexus beast PPL, pull push legs. Um, and I figured out that it was just probably too much volume and that might have been a part of the problem. Yeah, overtraining can cause an increased risk of injury. Well, he also could be, because he's sitting in a desk all day too and his scapulas roll forward all day long too, those just traps could be overactive

and then he's crushing it workout wise. It could just be just- But because it's like, it feels like pop, pain, oh my God, two days of pain, sounds a lot like an impinged nerve rather than a muscle. So when you do shrugs, what you want to do when you do shrugs is you want to make your head as tall as possible. So do you have MAPS Prime? I know.

Okay, I'm going to send that to you. We have something called a wall test and in the wall test, we walk you through some spinal traction through kind of this shoulder mobility kind of you know movement and what you're doing is you're pressing there's a small nodule at the base of your skull you're pressing that into the wall and you're lengthening your your spine at the same time so you're trying to make your head as tall as possible vertical as possible your spine so it's almost like you're giving yourself a double chin but also trying to make your neck real tall that's almost like you're giving yourself a double chin but also trying to make your neck real tall. That's the position you want to hold

while you shrug. What you don't want to do is shrug and kind of look up or even look down because that can compress the spine. In the meantime I would avoid shrugs until we really start to figure out how to get that that position. Yeah. But the wall test in Maps Prime, especially the head and shoulder part where your external rotations, especially important cause yeah, especially their desk job. Like if we can get you to be able to maintain this nice vertical upright postural position that you can brace and hold and control and have strength in that. And so that's the thing is building strength back in that external rotation.

So face pulls and things to prime before you do any kind of shoulder work, it's going to be essential to really just keep hammering that good posture. And ideally, we avoid the shrugs right now. When you reintroduce them, don't be chasing weight. Chase the technique, right? So after you've gone through the process of prime

and you learn like the position that we want your neck, your shoulders to be in when you do the exercise, that becomes more important than adding weight to the bar. So I'm okay with you going back to shrugs eventually once you start to feel much better. But then when you're doing it, instead of you paying attention to like, oh, I could do 10 more or 20 more pounds,

you're going like, is my posture staying perfect through the movement and only increasing weight based off of that? And so let that be your guiding star. You know, even now while you're sitting there, I can show you something that might help a little bit. This is really challenging to do virtually, but I could try walking you through something

to show you a little bit about what this kind of traction, with traction meaning we're trying to create space in the spine might feel like. So if you if you sat up tall right now for me I could kind of walk you through is that okay? Yeah. So kind of sit up sit up tall and I want you to take your your hands at your sides and I want you to supinate them so you're gonna face your palms forward but bring them down bring them straight down arms straight down okay so supinated straight down bring your shoulders So supinated straight down, bring your shoulders down. Like you're trying to bring your shoulder

blades down as far as you can. Now give yourself a little bit of a double chin. So it's like you're pulling your head back. No, don't look, don't, don't let your head go up, but yeah, your chin back. Now, while doing that, now try to make your head go straight up at the same time. So you're trying to make your neck. Don't look up, keep that double chin and then try to give yourself some high core. Now while holding that, now while holding that position, I want you to pull your belly button into your spine at the

same time. It's gonna start to pull your foot a little bit. There you go. We're stretching straight up. So can you kind of feel a little bit of that space in this neck spine area that you're kind of creating? That down in the shoulders, up in the head kind of of okay. Yeah it does feel a lot different than you know anything I normally do. Okay so that's like it's a real simple example I'm not there to walk you through it because I could actually show you some better ones in person that I wouldn't be able to do here virtually. That'd be good like every 10-15 minute kind of drill to do at your desk though you know so that's great. You could now another way to do that that would be even better would be to go up against the wall

so that you could press that little nodule up against the wall while bringing your shoulder blades down while tucking your belly button and trying to create that traction and that length. And if you hurt your trap and rhomboid again, that should alleviate some of the pain because it'll create some of the space and take some of the impingement off the nerve,

which is what I think is happening. This is zone one of Maps Prime, which we're sending to you. So we're gonna send that to you. That's zone one, and you could literally, like in a perfect world if you're working from home, I guess, I've got you doing this every hour. Every hour you just kind of get up. Get up and do it.

30 seconds. Yeah, literally 30 seconds worth of work. So it's not like a big thing you got to do. All you need is a flat wall. You don't need anything else. And you just go do that movement every hour or so. And you're just training yourself to feel what it's like to get in that position.

And the wall is just a tool to give clients feedback so they know where they need to be positioned. If you practice this long enough, you'll get to a point where you know how to just like, Sal can tell you, get your, you know, depress the shoulders, elongate the neck, and you'll just be able to get yourself in that position because you've practiced it against the wall for a long time. And then that becomes a very valuable tool inside the gym when you're flying in planes,

when you're driving your car, when you're down on the computer, you know how to get yourself in that spot. Everybody else watching too, I coached through this on a free webinar, Maps Prime webinar with Doug and took him to the wall and kind of showed him, you know our compass test with that our zone one test So if you want to apply that and kind of have the same issues, you know, go there What's that under maps prime webinar comm? Yeah, yeah All right, we're gonna say that over to you. Thank you guys so much and thank you for Maps Prime as well.

I'll definitely go through that. And I mean, I kind of thought that it might've been, you know, nerve related. Just because it's so painful and like the next day I can't lift my head, so. Oh yeah, yep, that's what it is. You got it, man. Cool, awesome.

Keep us posted, let us know how it's going, man. Okay, sounds good, will do. Thanks, man. Awesome. Keep us posted, let us know how it's going, man. Okay, sounds good, will do. Thanks, brother. All right. You know who suffered from a really bad nerve issue from shrugs was Rich Gaspari, the bodybuilder. Yeah, he was heavy shrugs, and he impinged their nerves so bad that he lost feeling

and then it started atrophying things and he had to really work through. Wow. Yeah, because when you shrug, you're lifting a bunch of weight, bringing the scapula up. And what happens a lot of times, your instinct is to bring your head back down. You could see that that was his instinct.

Even when he was describing it, he was doing that. His natural reaction is to look up. So he's got something going on there, and he's never got an image or whatever. But there's something going on. And if there's a herniated disc or whatever, there's a little bit of space, and that nerve is ready to be impinged. And then he does shrugs, and he's never got an image or whatever but there's something going on and if there's a herniated disc or whatever there's a little bit of space and that nerve is ready to be impinged and then he does shrugs and he brings

his head back and does and then boom push on the you also don't think that he could potentially have just kind of started to form his posture position and that's actually what's causing but it wouldn't cause that kind of pain that repeat not the posture but that posture now puts him in a more compromised position that when he does the exercise it compresses so that potentially getting him in a better position posture wise may actually just if it's not an actual disc issue or something. Absolutely. Look if you love the show check this out go to mindpumpfree.com we have a free peptide guide. Peptides are some of the newest

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