Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2336: How Being Lean Impacts Muscle Growth, Why Women Typically Have a Harder Time Losing Body Fat, the Best Way to Get Ready for a Powerlifting Competition & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

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The Apple Podcast winner is Sprocket Loves Ruby, and for Facebook we have Eric Thoy. Both of you are winners, send a name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. When it comes to strength training there are two general ways to approach it. One, focus on the muscle. Get a pump. Two, maximize leverage and lift as much weight as you can. Both have tremendous value. Do not neglect either one.

They both lead to a balanced, well-developed physique. Those are the two big approaches, and I love how both camps fight and debate each other, as if either camp wouldn't benefit from trying a little bit of the other camp. Not just that, I think that both of them would massively benefit by doing the one they don't do. Because there's always, you always tend to fall into,

I feel like one of these categories. Very rarely do I run into somebody who I think. Practices them both. Yeah, you tend to be the strong man, power lifter, you know, heavy lifter or the kind of body builder, feel, squeeze, pump guy. It's like, it's kind of either or. It's rare that I meet somebody who does although when you do meet someone like that they tend to have some of the the best physiques have the

some there's some of the strongest guys or girls like they get it because there's tremendous benefit from both sides of the aisle. It's a totally different mentality too which I also think there's a lot of value from practicing right. When you train for to to feel the muscle, to get the pump, you're not concerned with the weight on the bar. In fact, the goal is often to make the weight feel heavier than it is. The goal is to, I'm going to take this weight that

I could do for 20 reps and I'm going to see if I can almost fail at 10 by really focusing and squeezing and stretching the target muscle. Um, tremendous value in that mentality and understanding of strength training. And then the other side is like, how do I perfect my technique to maximize leverage and safety and stability to lift as much weight as possible? Obviously, I don't think I'm going to make the argument that there's a lot of value in that mentality as well, especially the carryover to real life.

Both are very different, but both contribute to success in either one. And I always find this every time I switch from one to the other, I get new gains. I get new changes in my physique and I get a renewed passion and interest in strength training because they're so different. They're both fun for different reasons. Yeah. It's funny that you think about how different they are. That's why it's so divisive, you know, this whole camp of like,

I just do bodybuilder style only exclusively, or I only just do like strength training exclusively, because it does appeal to like a totally different demographic, different avatar of a person. But at the same time, like is where fitness is interesting like that because it's always pursuing something that you're uncomfortable with that provides you with this whole new opportunity for growth and for change of your body specifically. We're always in there trying to change something about our body, but it's like, we get comfortable because it's like,

this is working for me and this is like, I love doing this. And then having to then start over and be like a newbie in a different pursuit is always like, that's such a psychological barrier for people. You know, speaking of newbie, okay, so if you guys had a, you know, starting from scratch, either yourself or say a client, and you're going

to integrate both these styles of training. Is there a order of operation or would you say, I would rather focus on this first and then this style of training, knowing that you're going to train them in both. Is there a reason? Can you make a case? Because I feel like I can argue both ways. So I'm here. Yeah, I think you could argue both, Because I feel like I can argue both ways. Someone here. Yeah, I think you could argue both, but I would prefer starting with strength and building the foundational strength

as far as I could go, because that's something that then we could taper down the intensity a bit as we go further on, which then bodybuilding, I feel like works even better later on when you're talking about longevity and joint health. I agree. So now the context has to be both, you know,

in both cases there's no imbalances or movement issues, right, because that's how you always start. So okay, so that's why I'm gonna argue that, just for playing devil's advocate, right, just because it's not necessarily I fully disagree, but I said that's why I'm gonna argue that just for playing devil's advocate, right? Just because I'm not necessarily fully disagree, but I said that I could argue either way. And so the argument the other way to me is this, is that I think that early in your lifting career the majority of people have shit technique and lightening the load and slowing down the

tempo and feeling the muscle and controlling the form and technique, I think has tremendous value for like getting someone ready to load the bar and just get after it and lift. This is actually the path I took. I look back and go, man, I wish I would have went the other way. I wish that I would have been a heavy lifter early and then transitioned to bodybuilding.

Instead, I was bodybuilder then went that way. But I guess some of the benefits that I neglected to see is like, oh you know what though, all those years of me perfecting technique and squeezing the muscles and form probably played my favor when it went to, okay now it's time to get on the bar and see what I can move because I had trained with it.

Yeah, see I don't know because trying to lift a lot of weight with maximum leverage is technique. It's very technical. It's actually, I would argue more technical than training like a bodybuilder. Correctional exercise. Would you argue that 60% more people have shit technique or good technique? They would. And so again, you'd have to go and do correctional exercise and then go much lighter and still try to get all the muscles to work together. Now at the end of the day though,

the one that's gonna give you the most gains in your first, especially your first two years is getting stronger. I mean, you can feel the muscle all you want, but for the first two years, you just wanna get a strong spelt. And after that, then it starts to get a lot more tricky. But the first couple of years, if you have a client and you just get them stronger,

everything develops much faster. Well especially too if you're younger, like you're more resilient. So I feel like there's a little bit more wiggle room there in terms of like loading the bar. But yeah, I mean you wanna make sure it's appropriate when you're first learning. It's all about technique.

And you could just focus on technique with the major compound lifts. And really dive deep into that to build something for you to expand upon. That's like your core of lifting in terms of moving the needle for building muscle. That's the big confusion. The big confusion is that lifting heavy

means you sacrifice technique. But if you watch, when people see like gym dudes lift as much as they can, yeah, that's what they're doing. But if you look at real strength athletes, like powerlifters, go take a beginner to a powerlifting gym, all they focus on is technique. It's so technical. It's like, no, no, no, your hips here, drive here, squeeze here. The technique focus is different than bodybuilding in the sense that they don't

want you to feel in any particular muscle, but your squat, your deadlift, and your press needs to look perfect. So it is very, very technical. And they won't load the bar on you. If you have a team, you're getting coached, or you have one of us as a trainer, then I think it's very easy to make that case and argument that that's the way to go for sure. I think that I was putting in a perspective of, I'm a 17 year old boy, just like I was, trying to figure this out on my own. I see these bodybuilders lifting this way, I see these power lifters lifting this way,

none of them are coaching me or training me, I'm just observing and I'm gonna go apply what they're telling me. And so I just think that that kid is probably gonna be better off slowing down tempo, lighter weight, squeezing the muscles and training like a bodybuilder than the kid who's trying to emulate

what the power lifters are doing, unless again, they're getting coaching, but that's not normally how it works. Normally what it is, just like all of us probably were, we were all at one point teenage boys who saw the big strong dude in the gym and asked him a few questions and then went over

and tried to do whatever they were doing. Not like we could afford a trainer by our side. We probably weren't on a team doing these things. You know, when I was a kid, I did this. So I had experience with both. And you had the bodybuilding magazines like Flex Magazine. And then there were actually powerlifting magazines that I subscribed to.

The bodybuilding magazines, there was no focus on technique in those magazines. It was about like squeeze and feel the pump and here's what it looks like. The powerlifting magazine, there were literal like pages dedicated to perfecting your leverage and your technique and where you drive through your hips and how you feel this and squeeze the bar. I actually learned more technique from reading those magazines that I did, the bodybuilding one. Yeah, it's an interesting discussion. Cause like, I do see your point, Adam, but I mean, also too, I feel like, you

know, when you create a dysfunction and you create bad patterns, that's a harder route, uh, to, to go after that. So there's a bit of a conundrum with that. Uh, because like, if I think about like learning the skill when I was like learning how to play guitar, I kind of set myself up for failure because now I have to come back and redo everything. Yeah. Unlearn.

Yeah, unlearn these bad techniques that I learned on my own, but yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, you're talking about the most ideal situation. You have a coach that kind of helps you through these like. I mean, it's a fun discussion. It is. Because it could go, like you said, you know, I could see two different

scenarios where, uh, you know, each case you can, you can make the case for that. It makes sense. And there's no doubt in my mind that, you know, proper coaching, uh, you know, proper team and emphasis put on form and technique that yeah, learning how to summon the most amount of power and, you know, taking exercises through their full range of motion and being able to do that and control and move the most weight and get strong as fuck. It's just, it is, and they're both valuable. It's interesting. Like if you had a bodybuilding coach coaching someone, the way they're going

to coach that person is, do you feel it here? Do you feel it here? Do you feel it here? Powerlifting coaches never ask that. They're always saying something like drop your hips over here, pull your elbows in, get tight, make sure that you're pushing the weight through the middle of your foot. Like it's totally different coaching.

And it's totally different feel. That's why they're so valuable. Like if you wanna become well-rounded in understanding strength training, you gotta visit both. Otherwise, you're literally missing half of the equation, especially if you plan on doing this for the rest of your life. You know, not to take a soft track,

but did I see in the notes today that NASM has a bodybuilding coaching type? Oh, I saw that, yeah. Did I read that right? They do. Physique and competitor. They have a bodybuilding and physique coaching. No way.

Yeah, they do. Wow. Are they the only certification that does that? It's physique and bodybuilding. I've never heard of that. So it's PBC is the initials, physique and bodybuilding coach course. So you go through NESM. So NESM for anybody who doesn't know is like they're like the premier

certification course for personal trainers. Like they've been the best for decades and they just, nobody comes close. They have a course specifically to teach coaches how to coach people for competition. Wow. And I'm going to say something right now, and I'll stand by this. I do not trust bodybuilding and physique coaches for contests because I've seen so many of them that are just so terrible. It's so not science-based.

It's based off of hearsay and myth and whatever. I trust the NASM though. So I trust that they vetted it and said no no this is the science of how you show up on stage look the best you know how you manipulate carbohydrates how you do cardio. I'm so surprised that I have not seen coaches and trainers using that as way to market themselves that they have a certification in that versus just saying like I've because right now the the model is I go and take myself through a show.

Now I'm qualified to coach other people and that seems to work on Instagram or at least it has for the last like five, six years. Yeah. But now that you have a course like this, that's cool. That's really, really cool. So this is like the one, like I said, some of the worst, some of the coaches that I get the most apprehensive of whenever I hear someone say, oh I got a coach. I totally wanna dive through it.

I mean, because NESM is NESM, they vetted it. So it's gonna be science based. Yeah, I'm sure. It's not that baloney that you hear. So does it count as like an actual cert, just like there's CPT course or their CES? Yeah, your main certs and those are that's additional. Just like a CES, right? So it's like another, wow.

Wow, that's really cool. Isn't that awesome? Yeah, they're doing like a BOGO this month too, aren't they Doug? I think if you get their CPT self-study, then you can get that one for free for the month of May. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. I thought I saw other ones too. Yeah, there's nutritional coach. So nutrition. What is it Doug? What's the offer? Yeah. So you have the nutritional coach,

the bodybuilding coach and a weight loss program they have. And so you normally would have to pay for that, but one of the offers they have through us right now is that. So if you buy the CPT self study, you get those for free. One of those for free. You can pick one of those for free. Oh, that's dope. Isn't that cool? Yeah.

Yeah, that's good stuff. Dude, I learned something this weekend. I'm like, I can't wait to talk to you guys about this because it has to do with traditional sports, which I could care less about. I want, I keep bringing it, man. I feel like there's been a few of these podcasts where we're talking about sports and I'm all about it.

No, so here's what I love about high level professional sports. The physics, the performance, like if people fully realize just how rare and incredible these performances are, I think it blows my mind when I really break it down. Like I remember when I was a kid, I went to one baseball game in my entire life and we got to go and I got to watch

a 90 mile an hour fastball on the same level yeah and if you've never seen one it's terrifying and you hear it it's weird yes it doesn't make any sense right so I remember that as a kid so I there was this video on X it was a really short video that broke down the physics of hitting a fastball is it do the math bro I've seen that before it will will, so I was telling Jessica this. Especially a 90 mile an hour, you have no margin for error. So listen to this.

A 90 to 95 mile an hour fastball, which is that's what they throw in the major leagues, it takes 400 milliseconds to get to the mitt. So not even a second, 400 milliseconds. So less than half of a second to get to the mitt. The brain takes 100 milliseconds just to process an image. So just to, oh, that's what's happening right here. That already takes a hundred.

Then the average swing takes 150 milliseconds to come around. So now you add on top of that. It's all predictive. 150 milliseconds just to come around. Then there's 25 milliseconds for the brain to send the signal to swing. So that essentially leaves the batter with the brain to send the signal to swing. So that essentially leaves the batter with 125 milliseconds to gauge the pitch.

That's how fast you have. You have to. You can't think about it. You can't even think about it. Purely in flow state. And then there's seven milliseconds to adjust the bat to make sure you hit the ball perfectly, otherwise it's a foul ball.

By the way, here's the context. To blink, it takes 300 to 400 milliseconds. To blink. So no blinking either. Bro, I was reading this and I was like, that is, it's gotta be one of the most instinctual things that you. You have to.

You have to have done, you have to have swung that bat probably millions of times. Muscle memory, dude. Yeah, and seen, you know seen tens of thousands of different pitches coming your way to get to a point. And I bet you subconsciously, the brain is doing math that you're not even aware of. So of course, you have tips like keep your shoulders level,

they help in this way, this, and watched it. You ain't got time to think about any of that. You have to be, your brain, whether you recognize it or not, sees the way that the fingers and everything are and the way that ball comes out. But you're not even processing it. No, you're not. That's what I mean.

It's subconscious. So you're not looking at, you're not like actively going, I'm looking at his fingers. You're just, you're there in flow. This is, yeah, well, this is where the practice and like building up that information, that data set., so every time you swing and you're, you're building up your subconscious to react a very specific way. And so like, that's why like, practice is so important to drill it like perfect.

Otherwise, you know, what's your, what are you banking in there? It's like what, at that level, you don't have time to, to analyze anything. Like you just have to go. Well, so I was going, I was telling, you know, I time to analyze anything. You just have to go. Well, so I was telling, I was explaining this to Jessica and she's like, wow, that's crazy. I'm like, honey, baseball is one of the only sports where 30% means you're killing it. Like you hit the ball three out of 10 times,

you don't even make a home run, you just hit the ball. You're doing great. Yeah, yeah. Like how many sports are like that? And then she goes, boring. Yeah, boring. I'm like, I can't. Yeah, you can geek out.

Yeah. Baseball is a very technical sport like that, like golf on some level as well, obviously. Uh, but dude, I wish I would have like read through this whole thing and remembered, but there's a really good story about a guy who just like, I mean, he's in his forties, I think, and just like, um, made it into the league and is throwing 90 miles an hour again after he, he had, I think he had made it on a team before it got cut,

got hit by a car. I think Adam brought this up on an early episode, right? A long time ago. A long time ago. Are you talking about for the Giants? No, it was like for the Braves or, um, yeah, but he had that, uh, Tommy John surgery and then, uh, built his way back, got up on the minors and then finally made it back What I did bring up that I think what you might be talking about is that there's a pitcher right now in

College that is that is a pitcher throwing both left and right-handed. Oh, I saw that guy Oh my gosh, that's insane. That's crazy to think that you're and throwing heat on both. You know what's crazy about pitching, by the way? Because of all the things that we do in sports, I would argue that pitching is one of the most insane because it's actually one of the things that humans do physically. Yeah, we're known for that.

We evolved. We evolved to throw with accuracy. Like a five-year-old could throw with more accuracy. I mean, it's probably arguably, like obviously, this is all speculation. We have no idea. But it was probably truly the very first sport. Like, nothing about who organized what, but you got to think.

Who could throw and hit something. Someone had a stick, you know what I'm saying, or some sort of spear hanging out. We're waiting for our kill to come around, got nothing else to do. You pick up a rock and you throw it at me.'re waiting for our kill to come around, got nothing else to do. You pick up a rock and you throw it at me. I mean, that had to happen first, right? No one made a pigskin football and decided to play football.

I doubt we made a round ball to try and kick it. You probably had a stick in your hand. I probably threw a rock at you. Hit this. Yeah, it hit it. And I guarantee that had to have been the first sport, right? Wouldn't you think so? That and running.

Those are the two things that. Oh, OK. Wouldn't you think so? That and running. Those are the two things that- Oh, okay, yeah, you can make the case for that. Those are the two things that humans do really well is we could run for a long, long period of time and we could throw with tremendous speed and accuracy. That's what made us- Are you in our-

Charlie Kubertson, sorry, Colberson for the Braves. Oh, wow. What was his name? Charlie Colberson. Oh, I didn't know who that was. Did you, is Aurelius, are you playing stuff with him every weekend, like sports related, or is he all over the board? We go outside and we do everything.

So we'll run, we'll swing the bat, we'll throw a rock or a baseball. He just started gymnastics and he likes it. The first time he was shy, second time he went, and he had a blast. He totally enjoyed it. And that kid, he's gonna, I mean, he's only three, so it's hard to say. But he's-

Bro, no it is not. It's like so easy for me to see. So easy for me to see. He's got some talent. He's gonna keep wanting to do crazy stuff. I told you guys that we went to the soccer field a couple weeks ago, so of course, dad bought the soccer goal, I got the-

Oh yeah, I got the solo interest. Yeah, so it came in this last week, and then this weekend, I got it in the backyard, and we were playing soccer. And this is just to my point of like, you know, and my son's kind of getting into it with me like that. But it's like, he's just, it's just not, it's not there, dude. It's just, it's just.

It's like Ethan just like watching butterflies. It's just, I mean, we're out there. I got like, you know, I set up little cones and stuff like that, like trying to get him to like dribble and stuff like that. And he's just, you know, he's so gentle. Like I can't even get him to kick it really hard, you know? And it's just, it's like, it's just, there's a disconnect there, you know what I'm saying?

Even he has desire right now to kind of do it with me. And I can't help but think of like, if I had your son out there, just me putting on the ground and showing him one time, he would punt it, just kick the shit out of it. My son would like walk up he walks up on it kind of looks at it and then he's like yeah I'm like hit it buddy come on you know they go walk over pick it back up with his hands they set it back down and then look at it again. Yeah I'm having the opposite problem with Everett

he's like getting into all these things I have no nothing about right like skateboarding is his latest venture Oh, yeah So he bought a skateboard with his own money and he's got like the padding and all that he just went to the he has A friend that does it and apparently he's picking it up like this and there's like awesome his friends all into it And I'm like great dude, so you're gonna take now. I have to go like skate parks in like Cool, though. I don't know how to do shit. I mean I totally see them doing X game type of stuff. I mean that's what, to me, gymnastics lays the foundation

for all those sports. Oh, totally. Yeah, wakeboarding, skateboarding, you know, all the snowboarding, like all those X games type of stuff. So, yeah. No, it really gets in trouble a lot because he throws everything in the house. Everything, across the house, as far as he can,

as hard as he can. He just, and he runs, and he'll run as long as you have him run. So he'll just run, you know what I do? I know, lazy dad hack, right? I'll just be like, go, I'll time you, and he'll just, how fast? 10 seconds, again, okay, and we'll do this for an hour.

You should give him those pitching nets that get the ball back to you so you can just wing it into it. Oh my God, I didn't even think of that. That's brilliant. Hey, no, haven't you seen, I sent you guys the, I think the dad hack of the year last year with the fishing pole and the wolf hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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then I'll read you the second one. Cause I know you guys are going to think this is just, it's just great. to go side by side. I'll redo the title of the first one and then I'll redo the second one because I know you guys are gonna think this is just it's just great. So the first article which was kind of making its rounds is by the way we'll pause after this one because we could just kind of speculate on what are they trying to do here but anyway just 12% of Americans and they have to add this part mostly men are eating half of our beef supply in your research. Okay, so 12% of Americans, mostly men, like the demonization is just hilarious to me.

Is that right? Here's another article that came out recently as well. So remember, 12% of Americans eating half our beef supply. Here's a new article. Only 12% of American adults are metabolically healthy. Study shows. Oh, weird. I wonder if that's related. I don't know if there's a crossover or what,

but I posted both of them at the same time. What's going on? That's actually really funny. Is it the same 12%? I mean, I mean, think about it. If, if, if it's true, that 12% of the men are eating most of the protein supply, we know what protein does. It's naturally satiating. It's going to help build muscle. It's like, so there's a really good likelihood those are also some of the healthiest people.

I would like to see a study that shows the people who eat the most meat, but control for processed meat. Cause they tend to throw garbage stuff in there, like hot dogs and shitty stuff. Like I would love to see a study on people who eat the most meat, but not processed meat to show How healthy or they never want to parse that out? No, they get they get their own agenda speaking of which you see Florida banned The sale of lab-grown meat and it started this Florida did debate. Yeah. Well, are they the first ones to do that? I think to the first state yeah here. I know Italy did and other countries in Europe

So it started this huge debate, right? I saw people posting like, they should let the free market decide. They're taking away our freedom. And then other people were like, this is a good thing. And so I posted that I think, you know, like, I think this is a step in the right direction.

Of course, people underneath are like, I thought you were a pro free market. And the truth is, if you look at how they manipulate and use the market and regulations, I'll use a great example, GMOs. GMOs are genetically modified plants that are patented. So what they did, for example, with corn is they took corn, they put it in a lab, they modified the DNA of the corn so that it could withstand pesticide or herbicide, sorry. And then they said, now it's also a patented product.

So it's corn, but it's our patented product. No one else can make this. Okay. Now in the current laws or the laws of the time, if something's natural, you can't patent it. So you can't patent corn, you can't patent wheat, you can't patent things that occur in nature, but you can patent products. Now here's where things got funny. They took it all the way to Supreme Court and made it so that they could patent it, but also they didn't have to label it.

This is where I have a problem. So consumers were buying corn or products with GMO corn and they didn't know. Because it wasn't required really. Yeah I said isn't that the biggest problem? Yes, because I mean yeah free market like I would you know, whatever people can buy like Like but if they know what they're buying healthy, but you have to know you have to provide the knowledge And this is the same thing. I guess that we were facing with these vegetables that they're growing with and infusing them with vaccines. And they're trying to just put them into the market without labeling it as such, which like, come on.

Anything that you're doing to manipulate an engineer and genetically modify should be labeled very clearly. That's it, I have no problem. Andrew or Doug just pulled up an article right now. Jeff Bezos moved to Florida and invested 60 million in lab-grown meat and then Ron DeS That's it. I have no problem. Andrew or Doug just pulled up an article right now. Jeff Bezos moved to Florida and invested $60 million in Labgrove Meat and then Ron DeSantis banned it. I didn't know that. Wow.

I wonder if that was a direct shot. I thought that was a month after. Huh? It was a month after? So you have to ask yourself now, is this more of a political game? No. Oh, always. I mean, Ron's the governor.

Yeah. That's what I mean. So is it less about, I mean, it's wrapped in the packaging of we're trying to do what's healthy and better for the guys. Listen, if I work in the beef industry and I'm seeing lamb-grown meat, I'm going to be like, OK, here's the deal.

You can go ahead and sell it, but you have to label it. Is that Bezos' new wife? Yeah. How much younger is she? I don't know. She's pretty Bezos you're seeing you're seeing he looks he looks so much better We have crazy is how crazy like you ever seen those billionaire put like before afters. Yeah, bro Have you seen isn't Elon Musk in it? Like his video if you ever seen his video when he's talking about Amazon like 20 something or whatever years ago

It was when he was talking about the early like 20 something or whatever years ago it was when he was talking about the early, early, how goofy he looks? He looks so different. Now he looks like he's on TRT and GH. 100% he's on all that. He looks way better, yeah, even Zuckerberg. I mean, he looks way better just keeping it real. You don't say like 20 years later to be looking better

than what he looked like back then? Somebody's helping him out, because yeah, have you seen Zuckerberg, his latest pic? They did this whole, you gotta glow up, because he looks less like a dork. Yeah, you know, I was like, somebody's trying to help him out. Speaking of Zuckerberg, more frustrating,

so these fake virtue signaling people, so funny, right, Mr. Zuckerberg, Mr. Pro Climate, Save the Earth, Climate Change. Is he in that camp? He is. He is. He is. You is. He is. You're sure? Yeah.

OK. And he just bought a, I don't know how big his yacht was. It was like, maybe look up his new yacht. It's got like four of these massive diesel engines. Like, he drives that thing one time, and he's going to put more carbon in the atmosphere than you could in your whole life. Right.

So OK, now you just say that, like, because I believe that these guys, you know, Bezos included in this, Zuckerberg. And by the way, I'm not defending any of these clowns. They were very much so libertarian type of dudes. And so I mean, their companies were built on a very free market libertarian type of a model. And it feels like to me, like what they did was hire

a bunch of kids that work for these companies who've now influenced the company to be like this progressive type of, and so they get categorized as very liberal and progressive, even though I think the founders are not really that way. So that's why I'm saying that. So Zuckerberg does go around preaching and talking about climate change.

That's the problem is, you're gonna chastise everybody else. I don't know that, right? I don't know if I've ever seen a clip. It's a $300 million super yacht. Hypocrisy. The thing looks insane. It's insane.

300 million? 300 million. Yeah, you can find pictures of it if you want. Yeah, I wanna see a picture of that. Oh, bro, it looks like a city. $300 million. By the way, you know how much money it would cost to maintain one of those? It costs like so much money to park.

Millions, millions. Yeah, look at that thing. It's like a huge, what the fuck? Bro, to maintain and to man costs millions a year for something like that. He's gotta have that, you know, as his transportation out, where his compound in Kauai, right? Costs millions a year for something like that. He's got to have that you know is his Transportation out where his compound in Kawaii, right? He knows escape

Alternative there. That's insane. It costs millions of dollars just to park it and then when the staff alone We got a support vessel for his yacht carrying his cars Wow, maybe it's an escape vehicle Justin. That's what I'm saying, bro. It's all like, he's building the bunkers in Kauai. He's got like, he probably has like a rocket too. A submarine would be the safest and the smartest, wouldn't you think? A submarine? Yeah. One of those subs that run on nuclear power

and then just can run. Did you see that new one? It's like a Manta. It looks like a Manta and it's like a drone that they're just gonna be like. Patrolling. Patrolling, yeah, like indefinitely. Well technically, the only reason,

because we already had nuclear subs, but the only reason why they had to pull over was because people had to eat and they had to get supplies. But if you can make a drone that's nuclear powered, you just put it out and there it is for the rest of forever. I'm sure they're there already, dude. They probably are. Outlasting us.

Yeah. Weird. I know, I know, probably are. Outlasting us. Yeah. Weird. I know, I know. Crazy stuff. But yeah, these hypocrites annoy the shit out of me. At least, what's her name? That annoying girl, Thumburg or whatever.

At least she's not, she doesn't seem to be, as annoying as she is, she doesn't seem to be a hypocrite because she'll take a sailboat across the ocean. Oh, is that true? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. That's funny. At least she puts her money where about about this only cuz she's afraid of flying

That what you're screwed that's like the you know the the vegan influencers that can never have a burger and they really want it You know that they get caught and it's like oh no, but all careers. I don't one of them get caught eating. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they kick you out right away of the club hilarious All right, I got I got a long-term study on GLP ones that I'd like to talk about Oh, very great study Lane posted it good old lane Oh, I've been asked I've been meaning to ask you did you because I said I'm real curious to where what side of the aisle He's on here. You know, you guys know Lane. He's one thing. I like about Lane is he's Balanced he looks at the data. He tries not to misrepresent it and You guys know Lane. One thing I like about Lane is he's balanced.

He looks at the data. He tries not to misrepresent it. And he presents things based off of like, here's what the data says. And here's what's probably happening. And he's usually right. He's usually pretty good and pretty accurate. So I'll read the study. Okay.

So this was a pretty long study. It was a two year study. So for two years, they followed people who did a, who were placebo, people who worked out, people who took a GLP-1 and people who took a GLP-1 plus exercised just to see what would happen. They followed them again for two years. The people who lost weight with just the GLP-1 gained most of the weight back when they went off.

The people who took the GLP-1 and exercised, they went off the GLP-1 gained most of the weight back when they went off. The people that took the GLP-1 and exercised, they went off the GLP-1 and continued exercising, they didn't gain back nearly as much weight. And now he says, he says it's not from the calorie burn. These people were not doing crazy workouts. Now I can confidently say it's the muscle. It has to do with the muscle. You kept your metabolism strong and healthy and burning calories so when you went off the GLP-1,

you didn't lose all that muscle that then you know, acted in counter to what you were trying to do when you started eating more, because then your body's like, oh, I can gain all this body fat. But it was a two year long study, and it highlights how important exercise is in combinations with these GLP-1s. Yeah, the thing that I think that's gonna be interesting is the just the

difficulty of that right like You put somebody on this low of calories And it's just really difficult to motivate them to lift weights So this is where I mean I just see this huge huge opportunity for trainers and coaches To really be there to support and help these clients that are going through it. I know we already see the division where there's gonna be these camps of you're either pro it or you're anti it

and hate on it. It's a little more nuance than that. I definitely think that the opportunity for coaches and trainers is to recognize that it's not going away. There's gonna be tons of people that do it. You're gonna have tons of clients that do it whether you think they should or shouldn't do it. Therefore, how do you handle that?

And I think we're going to see a massive over-application of training. I mean, we already see an over-application of intensity and volume on people that are trying to get in shape. I just think it's going to get abused even more with this. Do you guys think the abuse is going to be more, it's going to be more common to be abused than to be used properly.

100%, yeah. I do. I agree. I do. I agree because even if somebody says, oh, I heard I'm supposed to work out, they're gonna do what you said. They're gonna overtrain.

Everybody wants the easy route first and then realize, oh wait, I have to actually apply. This is gonna be the hardest part to reconcile is that it's not gonna be good for a lot of people, but's gonna be life-changing for for some for a lot of people too So you can't just throw it away. Yeah, it's like it's you you take somebody Well, the cats out of the bags and like you can't throw it back in now Yeah, you're going to lose weight on it to demonize it like I mean, there's podcasts of her podcast now talk But nobody's even communicating it right

We listen to a podcast recently and there was a there was a ex-pharma guy and whatever and he was communicating strength training wrong too. He's like, look, if you're on a GLP-1, you need to strength train minimum five days a week, four days a week. Intensely. Like what the hell are you talking about? No, that's too much for most people

who aren't even on a GLP-1, let alone somebody who's on a GLP-1. That's gonna be the hardest thing is to, it's gonna be a very delicate dance. I mean, I'm still experiencing that, right? I'm coming up on nine weeks now on this, and you know, some days I got it, some days I don't. And I just, the volume of training that I have been in right now is just extremely low.

And you know, luckily I'm aware of that, right? Like if I was this really overweight person that was just trying to lose weight and it's coming off, like I would be so obsessed again with the scale and just doing everything I can to keep burning, burning, burning, not listing my body. And I would imagine that muscle would be falling off at just as fast of a rate.

So I micro dosed it. So I did a tiny dose for two weeks now, and I've noticed. You didn't go up a little bit? Oh, I still microdosed. So the, I'm not gonna, you know what, we shouldn't explain, we shouldn't go over recommended doses.

I took one fifth of what was recommended as a starting dose for you, and then I took twice as much which was still far less than what you were recommended and I haven't noticed any appetites that yeah and I'm gonna stay on this micro dose to see if I notice any of the anti-inflammatory effects any of the other behavior did you get yours yet effects I just got it in the mail so I'm gonna start are you going full dose I'm gonna go full dose you are I'm gonna try yeah I'm going to start. Are you going full dose? I'm going to go full dose.

You are? I'm going to try. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be sorry. He has plenty of muscle. He can experience it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be so big on this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Did you get yours yet? I did.

I took a dose last Thursday. You did a mild, you also did a mild. Well, I did. So the recommended starting dose is 25 units. Yeah. I did 15. Oh, so you still went lower. That's the one.

I noticed a slight suppression of appetite. Just a slight. But slight only. Yeah. When's your second shot? When's your second shot? Like Thursday. So I'll bump to 20.

I'll try 20. Maybe stay at that for a little while, Doug. The 15. 15? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Jessica's experience was completely destroyed her, devastated her appetite. And she didn't even want to drink water. That's how was it completely destroyed her appetite, devastated her appetite and she didn't want to drink water. That's how bad it was. So and she started the small dose. But I know everybody responds a little bit of difference from person to person.

I did not want I would not want to experience that that feeling of like not wanting to eat anything. No, I don't want that. I mean, that's what I've been dealing with. You know, you just got better though after a while, right? Eight weeks or seven weeks or whatever it was. It was I was I was riding that way for I've been dealing with. Yeah, but yours got better, though, after a while, right? Eight weeks. There was seven weeks, or whatever it was. I was riding that way for a hot minute. I mean, I wanted to see. I wanted to see what it felt like to go through all that. There was a mild nausea feeling, I guess you could say.

It was like, I don't know. It was not bad to me. It was like, I was more fascinated the fact that I just had no desire for food at all. It was interesting to me to feel that way and be that way. I didn't have the digestive distress, except for with a few times that I like try to eat outside

of something really healthy. I noticed it then. I noticed too, like the huge impact of, you know, staying hydrated and having the sodium and stuff like that, that made a big difference. What I wanna see parsed out are, cause there's data that shows it benefits the organs and the heart and the brain and et cetera, et cetera.

The problem with that is like, is it because there's such low calorie? Is it because you took someone who's overeating, you had to eat less? Which is by the way, which is like everybody, right? Like everybody pretty much over consumes for the most part, right? For the most part.

And so yeah, if all of a sudden you like ring out the sponge on everybody, I would imagine you would be... Yes. If you take anybody who's overweight and you have a meat less, so long as they're hitting minimum requirements of nutrients, you tend to see improvements on every marker, period. So you're just allowing that space for your body to fully recover and heal and that's the thing too I don't know a lot of times I feel like people just keep consuming and then if they're a state of inflammation They're just they keep riding that out like for a really long extended amount

I mean the part of me the most like like addictive the part reason why like I haven't taken a shot today And I'm wrestling back and forth that today's the day I'm gonna like either cut my dose in half or completely cut off, like because I've gone far enough. But the part that I actually am like more drawn to than anything else is how healthy I feel. Like my psoriasis and the inflammation.

Like I was just at a constant state of inflammation. So there's some speculation that it, again, it's hard to parse out with some observation from people who've been using these for a long time, doctors, who say that it has autoimmune effects on its own. Now, again, would this have happened had you just gone low calorie?

To me, here's the thing is that, isn't that related to, if autoimmune is me, my body attacking itself because it's inflamed, you know, due to some sort of a marker from over consumption or consuming something, it makes so logical sense to me that it would, and that's everybody, autoimmune is like that, you just have different expressions of it.

So of course, if you're like in a fasted state or like, or fasting, because this isn't necessarily a fasted state, it's like fasting mimicking, right? Super low calorie calorie which you know, Walter Longo did all that research showing that if you're that it's just it's almost your body's getting all the same benefits as it would be from a fast. So to me I think a lot of that and the camp this is all the people that are trying to sell it and push it so much is like okay yeah and then I'm sure Layne will come out with something like this and prove and and talk about this like that.

You know, these are all the same benefits for that somebody gets from just. Yeah, the only way you would know is if you had them eat, you had two groups, one take them, one not, and then don't have them change their diets. And then let's see. Now, what I like about this in regards to the fasting is it's easy to do it.

It's not like, you know, and it doesn't, I don't have this binge restrict type of, which I think a lot of people have with fasting. I think there's a lot of the fasting popularity that grew over the last decade. You know, you had people that would fast and then they would over consume, they would binge. And so that was just how they were,

where there's no desire to binge or overeat at all. And so you could just stay in this. What I find fascinating is this argument that there may actually be a GLP-1 deficiency in some people. This is a hormone that we all produce. And the argument is, some people are making the argument that some people are GLP-1 deficient for whatever reason. Maybe lifestyle caused this, maybe just repeated, you know,

poor metabolic health, overextended periods of time. And so giving them what they're deficient in then puts their body in better balance. I don't know, I've heard that argument for a lot of different things. But the problem is the abuse, you know, that's, because I know what people want. I know what people want.

People want to just take something and just lose weight. You're gonna lose muscle. I don't care, I wanna be smaller. You need to work on your behavior. I don't care, I'll just keep taking it. I don't care. You know what's so funny though? Think of it like this, okay?

So if we could agree that food in our lifetime has very much so been used like a drug. Totally, totally. Right, we all agree on that. And we have this massive breakthrough with some of this peptide that actually helps people get off the addiction. And so you have to, and even though it's not the best way or there's going to be people that abuse it, if we're looking at it as a whole society and we think that we are plagued by obesity and addictive behaviors around

food, wouldn't you make the case that like... Now that's, but see, yes, but also there's more to it because how much of our illness or chronic health issues is due to just being under-muscled and not necessarily being the obesity or maybe the obesity is a result also of being under-muscled and not necessarily being the obesity or maybe the obesity is a result also of being under-muscled. The problem is though that like the under- so one of them requires resisting and discipline, the other one requires discipline and action. And the fact that the discipline with just resisting is helped by the peptide versus

you have to go take action. Now in a perfect world, of course you do both or you have somebody, you teach somebody to go actively go to the gym and that's why we're under-muscled. Problem is, are we, we have a very. No, you're right, you're right, but my question is not, I'm not going in that direction.

That's 100% correct. You can't get around that. The thing that I'm pointing at is how many obese people are already under-muscled? I remember it was, was it 15 years ago where they showed body scans of obese people and they completely destroyed the myth. Well your assumption is that they because they're carrying so much weight they have to have like most fish in their legs. It's common. Sarcopenia is common with obese people. I thought for sure.

I thought for sure. So did I. Sarcopenia is common in people who are obese. Those scans are trippy. They don't have more muscle. They have less muscle, less metabolically healthy muscle, and then the more body fat. Bones are even less dense. Okay, so we're gonna have them lose both? Is it a net positive?

That's the question. Is it a net positive? Is it flat? Is it a net negative? Or does it depend who we're talking about? I mean, leave it to- You take the obese person who doesn't do anything- Leave it to us to fuck it up, you know?

We go all the way. But then I can argue this way. Look, you got the person who's obese, doesn't move, so they're undermuscled on top of it and eat like garbage. They take a GLP-1, they just eat less, they just lose weight, but now they feel like they could get up and move. Right? Because now they're not 300 pounds.

Well, I mean, I'm now starting to allow some of my family to, right? So I was pretty- I would love to hear, I can't wait to hear their experience. Yeah, yeah, so I won't share their names. This whole peptide space is so fascinating. It's really gonna shake things up and change. It's funny, every time I try-

It's such a new landscape. It's crazy, like- Well, you know what I actually think is crazy to that point is that I didn't realize that GLP one's been around for 20 years. Yeah, I know so it's like we actually do have a lot of Information around it and yeah, I've been prescribed for like 18 years. I know some doctors. Yeah Yeah, so I mean I can't wait to get dr. Tina on here. Do you know do you know what she was booked?

I think tomorrow. Yeah. Oh shit. We have her tomorrow. She's here tomorrow. No way. Oh cool. Very cool Yeah, I know that happened already Yeah, but the whole peptide space is like thymus and beta I've gone on and off of that. I that stuff is amazing I mean it is incredible for muscle recovery. It's like I feel like I Feel like I recover like I did when I was in my early 20s when I'm on it versus when I'm on BPC and all these Yeah, every single cognitive like, like peptide is basically. Well, I mean, now that we've been introduced to it,

like, because, you know, I have to admit, just like, say, four years ago when somebody asked about peptides, I threw it in the category of SARMS and just dismissed it, right? Obviously, far more informed about it now. I'm fully convinced that you talk about the people like LeBron James and these guys that are spending millions of dollars a year Tom Brady They for sure have been utilizing Yeah, for sure. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is what I'm so and PRP. Yes

You know, I can't wait. I can't wait to see what muscle building products come out as a result of GLP-1s because this is the problem that the pharma companies are gonna try and solve. They're gonna try and solve it chemically somehow. Of course, that's the formula. They're not gonna tell people the fights. What they're gonna do is say, okay guys.

Take this drug down. Yeah, we got this problem now with muscle wasting, so we need to really invest a lot of R&D to figure out how to stop this. So myostatin inhibiting substances are gonna start to, they're really gonna start pouring a lot of money. And that's gonna be exciting for a guy like me who loves that kind of stuff.

Speaking of failed approaches to businesses, so I don't know if you know this, Adam, I was gonna bring this up for you, but there was an airline that emerged. It was Hooters Airlines. And they had the Hooters girls on there and there it was all this. They really tried to do that? They tried to. Yeah, they tried to do that. It was like 2004 or something or 2006. And it made a little run for a while. But obviously it was like 40 million to keep it going and they just had to cut it off. But I was like, oh, that's interesting. They tried to kind of bring back that whole exclusive

flying in the airline, making it fun, and like the sexy angle there. My aunt used to work for Hertz back then. And she's, I mean, she's in her, she's like just under 70 years old, right? And so she was telling me stories of what it was. And back then, okay, you had Hertz and you had like a TWS.

T-W-A, T-W-A, which was the big airline. And she's like, it was like, they actually had names of like what the girls were and they had like, their outfits were like skirts. They had to get on a scale like every other week and they had to be a certain way. She even told me like they were trained to like hold their purses in like the crook of their arm

a certain way and like they had like a walk that they were, I mean it was like so much was put into, yeah being sexy and the look and their weight and all that stuff like that. Back then it was completely accepted and normal. I had somebody, there was like a debate online and the debate was like, why are kids at these drag know these drag shows which I

think is ridiculous and somebody commented well I see people taking their kids to Hooters and like well that's stupid too. I think taking your kids and people do this they'll take their kids to a restaurant or girl it's obviously about the girls trying to look sexy. What are you doing? What are you doing with your kids? Showing your kids that this is this is what's valuable especially if you have? Showing your kids that this is what's valuable, especially if you have a daughter. Like this is what's valuable, honey. Look at these girls. You actually would be surprised how many families

you see in Hooters. I know that. We love the wings. We got great wings, man. What are you doing? Yeah, no. You know that dad's a closer in that family, right? Honey, this is where we're going for dinner with the family.

Thanks, Barbie. Yeah. Yeah. So dope. Oh my God, look at that. I did not know that. Yeah. So dope. Oh my God, look at that. I did not know that. Yeah. I know, we missed our window.

Oh well. The plane was too front heavy though, so it kept. I mean, it's kind of interesting because you completely, I mean, I wonder what, they must have done their research on like, do men fly way more than women do? Here's the deal. Is there like, statistically like? Yes, but the men that can afford to go fly all over the place are married men.

So once their wives find out, I'm sure that's why they went out of business. Not a bunch of single dudes flying Hooters. Yeah, you know what they messed up was they named it Hooters. They should've named it something undercover, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It should've been like HTA Airway, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Something different. Isn't there a, Isn't there like a Hooters copycat for women? And it was, I think there was. If I'm not mistaken. A male version? No, it was called Cox, I swear to God.

No, no, no, no. Yes, it was. I'm almost sure. No, it didn't. And it were roosters, I swear, I think. I'm almost positive. It was roosters that, or maybe I saw this on the South Park episode.

Yeah. Probably. Yeah, it sounds like a South Park episode. I hate to tell you this, Doug, but look up Cox restaurant. Look at Penis Bar, Doug just pulled up. That was on his history book. I hate to tell you this Doug, but look up Cox restaurant. Look at penis bar Doug just pulled up. That was on his history book. I just thought, yeah.

Look up Cox restaurant, see if that's a real thing. And then let's find out if any women went there was just dudes, like gay dudes. That's probably true. Like come on. No, I guess I'm wrong. Yeah, women don't really pay for stuff like that. Yeah, I don't think so.

Whoa, what the hell? There are a few of them that are called that, but they're not popular shades. Yeah. I don't think so. Whoa, what the hell? There are a few of them that are called that, but they're not popular chains. Yeah. Yeah. I never heard of that before. Now my search history is screwed. Sorry, Doug.

Anyway, I gotta tell you guys, I gotta tell you guys the, God, the names of these restaurants are hilarious. I gotta tell you, the Brain Blend from Ned, first of all, Ned's products in general, period. Yeah, this one. If you've never tried a cannabinoid-based product, or if you have, and you didn't feel it,

so I had a family member try this. They took a big dose, and they were like, what did you give me? Yeah. Like I am like, I feel like I'm on my own. I don't know, we still had some. I thought we were out. Are you part of the formulation of that?

I was with the Brain Blend. I thought so, yeah, because we had been talking about using that, especially before we'd drink like a nitro crew and it was such a rad combo. Oh, it's the best. How many products now are you a part of now? Two. This one?

Organifi and this one. No, no, no, no, of Ned's. Oh, oh. Because Ned's doing another one that you're working on too, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it's not out. Let's talk about it.

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and a couple other of our buddies. Yeah, let's make it a party atmosphere. Yeah, no, of course. We don't ever, we haven't done Vegas yet to have the Bellagio too, big old place like that. Yeah. No, we got to, we're going to do it right. So hopefully like everybody, everybody can make it out there as far as our friends. And if there's tickets available by the time this airs, it's, what is it,

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Our first caller is Jennifer from Michigan. Hey Jennifer, how can we help you? Hi guys. I knew I would be nervous, but wow. So first I just want to tell you that I started listening to the podcast. I think you had fewer than 50 episodes out when I first found you. And it was really rough in the beginning, but the information, the information was solid and yours was the first fitness podcast I found that didn't sound like it was being recorded into a bean can. So, I'm, I'm really glad to have been with you all these years. I'm just going to read my question. I've been weightlifting for about 14 years.

I didn't know what I was doing at first, but I've been a fan of the show for a long time and have been following training programs for a while. I recently went through MAPS Power Lift and I did see some gains, but I'm still not where I think I should be after so many years of consistent lifting. As of today, I'm 47.

I'm 5 foot 11 and a half, weigh about 170. My current max lifts are 145 pounds for squat, 100 pounds for bench, deadlift 215 and overhead presses 80. I'm also, I've been wanting to be able to perform strict pull-ups and even push-ups gives me trouble, like I can't do more than one strict push-up. So I'd like to be able to increase my strength to match the female standards of a 1x bodyweight squat, 0.75 bodyweight bench and 2x bodyweight deadlift. And I don't know if that's a realistic goal or if that would be possible for me at this point. Awesome. Great question. Jennifer, did you, did you play sports in college, volleyball,

basketball, anything like that? No, I was in ballet, so I danced, but no, no athletics. I do think it's important to note, though, that you actually have really good numbers. And it's important that the audience knows you're six foot tall. Yeah, and that's why I asked the question, because when you look at the standards of, you know, what the female quote unquote

or male quote unquote standards are, they're based off of the averages, but the more outside of the averages you are when it comes to height and body weight, whether you're below or above, then those numbers tend to change. In other words, if I'm a 120 pound male, that would put me well below the average male.

And so then the standards for me, I would crush the standards. I need to have higher numbers. If I'm a six foot seven, 250, 270 pound male, I'm outside of standards above, the standards for body weight, what you could do for bench deadlift and squat, then also start to change.

You're, I mean, you're built like a female athlete. You're tall. Your body weight is appropriate for someone your height who's been strength training. I would assume your body fat percentage is probably within a healthy percentage. So I wouldn't judge your lifts based off of what the standard is because the standard is based off of the average height and average body weight female and you're you know you're you're you're tall and you're like I said, that's why I thought maybe you played high-level sports like volleyball or

Or basketball nonetheless we can get into your workout and see what you're doing We could talk a little about you about your nutrition and see how you've been working out for a while How long have you would you say you've been working out properly? Um I've been following maps programs for the last, I think three years. And before that I was doing like traditional, like five by five or traditional strength training for seven or eight years before that. Are you, are you stronger now than you were three years ago or are you declining?

Um, stronger in most of my lifts, I kind of backed out of my squat to be able to go to a better depth. Okay. So my squat is lower than it was when I was not quite breaking parallel, but I kind of expected maybe it would get back to where it was by now, but it just hasn't yet. Okay. By the way, you look, you said you're 47. I would have guessed in your thirties, but at 47, the fact that you're stronger today than you were before is, and you've been working out this whole time is

exceptional. What you can expect as you start to get to your fifties, sixties, even if you're consistent is a very slow decline in strength, okay? Now you're gonna be way stronger and more fit than your peers, which you probably already know. I'm sure you have friends your own age that you can run circles around. But if you're stronger at 47 than you were at 40,

you're doing a damn good job. So, and that's just across the board. So I wanna kind of put that in context. Yeah. I think it, I mean, I think Sal explained it, but I think he kind of set it in a very complex way, a much simpler way to explain what you are tall. You have long limbs like me, bench pressing and squat is very difficult. Their leverage is different, way different. So someone like, for example, everybody thinks that Justin and Sal are stronger than me.

I'm way stronger than these guys because I'm six foot, I'm six foot three. So me moving 275 on the bench is a lot different than Justin moving 300 on the bench. I got a lot longer distance. I got to move that way. But then Justin moves 350. So I don't know if that is true. All joking aside, it really is.

In overhead press, are you kidding me? You have such a longer distance to travel that barbell over your head than the average five, three, five, five female. So you're actually really strong for both your age, your height. Those numbers are good. Not to say that we can't work on getting better, but I just think you need to understand that you can't compare yourself to a 5 3 5 5 girl on an overhead press And a squat and a bench press if you're even close to what she's doing

You're probably actually stronger than what she and in to take it a step further Really the only appropriate comparison would be to yourself anyway, right? There's so many factors which is why it's okay to have a goal seeing progress even if it's you think it's that's the big one If you have progress and you're making strength gains, I mean, that's a really difficult thing to do over the years. I have a question. When was the last time you actually did a bulk through one of our programs?

Well, I went to maintenance calories through the holidays, but I haven't really eaten at a Balkan and that actually I went into a little mild deficit like the last couple of weeks, just heading into summer. That's going to be our huge difference. That's going to be our answer. Jennifer is to run one of these programs in a, in a slight surplus. Does that have to be massive, but a surplus, a bulk. 250, 300 calories. Yep, and that will probably help you increase these lifts

all the way across the board, just by simply doing that. What's the last program that you ran, and then what was the one that you ran before that? So most recently I was doing Maps 15 Advanced because that works really well with this. I work at a school and I have a bunch of kids, so this time of year is busy. But before that, I ran Power Lift

and that ended in January. That's when I tested those one rep maxes and got those numbers in January. How are you feeling right now with a max 15 advanced? I feel like I could do a lot more. It's just that scheduling is hard. It's hard to schedule time for the longer workouts. Okay.

Well, just so you know that you should almost always, and I'm only saying this to you because you're consistent, you should almost always feel like you can do a lot more regardless of what program you're following. But to be more specific, how is your strength? How is your performance? Are you noticing any differences, changes? Do you feel like you're just maintaining with 15 advanced right now? I feel like I'm maintaining. Okay.

When, when, uh, when will you have more time? Cause I could, I could, I could recommend another program for you, uh, coming up. Yeah. School ends for us at the beginning of June. So after that, my schedule is way more open in the summer. Have you done anabolic advanced? No, I don't I have anabolic not the advanced no. I'm gonna send that to you. I love that in a surplus. Yeah, that's that's a really now after that you're gonna want to go back to mass 15 advanced because

It definitely pushes you but the strength gains they happen in a hurry in that program. Just be very very very very mindful of form because we do utilize failure on an every other week basis in that program. But I'll send that to you Jennifer. I think I think you'll really like that program. Yeah I think you're really gonna like that program for sure. And run it in a bulk. I think running that program in a bulk. I I promise you you're gonna see those numbers go up. You'll see a difference Yeah, okay. Well, I can I'll try the bulk makes me a little nervous But that's okay run a cut right afterwards or you can even do this run a bulk For the first four to six weeks of the program and then run a little mini cut in the

middle of it to interrupt it. You don't necessarily have to be bulking the entire program. Run a bulk. We just want to see screen games. Yeah, just, just, and really the first four to six weeks of that new program with a bulk will give you the greatest return. So if you want, just run the bulk for four to six weeks, the beginning of that program, and then turn around and do a cut for the back half of it. But you should see an increase just from that Okay, okay. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. Thank you so much. Yeah, you got it We really appreciate you listening to us for so long, especially when we sucked really. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for hanging in there. Oh Hey, you guys are my favorite. You don't know we're like besties

Thank you so much, Jennifer. Thank you, Jennifer Thank you. Bye bye. Is it just me or does she look like 10 years younger? Am I tripping? I would have guessed late 30s. No way I would have guessed 47. I almost asked her what year she was born because I'm like are you sure? Yeah people need to understand that like when you're if you're consistent with strength training most people's strength tends to peak if you've been doing it for years and years and years, right around your early to mid thirties.

And then people can do pretty well for a while, but you tend to see a slow decline. Uh, once you get to your late forties and fifties and sixties and so on, but again, you're always going to crush your peers. So, you know, the fact that she's 47 stronger than she was, you know, four or five years ago when she was still working out. Despite being in a maintenance or probably even a deficit because this is the most common thing we found with training women, especially as this constant

sort of deficit and then trying to see like substantial strength gains, like you're just kind of going against the formula. So for her to lean into that would be huge. Yeah, and I know I was rousing you guys and just kind of tongue in cheek talking about being way stronger than you, but there's, like when you have someone who,

and she's not like a little tall, she's really tall. Six foot for a female is very tall. So to compare herself to what they have is the average statistics for a strong female, it's just not fair. No, they're based off body weight. I mean, you know, it's like, when we saw, so when we created Map Strong, we did it with Robert Oberst

and he's, what was he, 340 pounds strong man? Oh, yeah. Watching him do eight pull-ups, okay, he did eight pull-ups, was impressive. Now I can rep out 20 pull-ups. Right, yeah. Okay, I don't weigh 340 pounds. Yeah.

So that's not a fair comparison necessarily. There's a strength to weight ratio and there's some value to that in certain sports or whatever But those standards that people quote man female, you know, what's strong? What's not whatever? It's based off the average person the heavier you get the less that that even makes sense in the lighter you get the easier those numbers Yeah, wait and height of course So the only one that's working to her favor is deadlift, which is probably why she's a 215 deadlifter, right? That's her strong tall long limbs tends to work with deadlifts. Yeah deadlifts

If you have if you have long limbs, then you're gonna normally gonna be a better deadlifter But as far as squatting benching and overhead pressing that is hard for someone who's that tall, right? So those are those are really good numbers. It's still a 145 squat for a 47 year old female. Definitely one that is six foot. It's almost six foot. Yeah and a hundred pound bench and overhead press. The average six foot man who doesn't strength train can't squat 145 a good form. That's a fact. Our next caller is Lizette from New Jersey. Lizette what's going on? How you doing? What's happening? Hi. How are you? Exciting. So thanks for taking my call. So my question was from a few months back, so I'm just gonna read it.

Basically, why is it so much harder for women to lose weight compared to men? I'm a mom of two. I would say I'm in pretty decent shape. I work out three or four times a week. I eat pretty clean. But I still find it really difficult to lose that in certain areas. Like for me, it's my hip area. Um, now my husband, on the other hand,

he'll stop eating bread for like three days and you know, drop a bunch of weight or, you know, do something very minimal and just like lose a lot of weight. So I'm just wondering why is it so much harder for women compared to men? That's because God made you guys smarter and more attractive. So we get that. Yep. We'll talk to you later.

Thanks, Lisa. I agree. No, so here's the... That's not true. We're smart. Okay. All joking aside, so there's a couple of things you want to consider here. Comparing individual to individual doesn't really give the full picture because you could have a woman that's, adapts much faster than a man, vice versa. But generally speaking, you often hear this, right?

Generally speaking, you often hear women say, oh my God, my husband, he could drop 10 pounds so easily and for me, it's so hard. There's a couple factors here at play. First of all, we're talking about weight, not body fat. We'll get to body fat. But men generally have more lean body mass than women do. Specifically, when we cut carbohydrates out of our diet

or drop carbohydrates, because muscle is about 75% or more, it's actually more, I believe, water, that when we drop carbohydrates, we drop water faster. We have more lean body mass that holds more water. I know for me, the more muscle I build, the more my weight can fluctuate if I manipulate carbohydrates and water. I mean, I remember Adam talking about how he'd lose 10 pounds overnight just by sleeping and sweating throughout the evening when he was competing as a bodybuilder. So that's, that's part of it, but let's go to body fat. Okay.

When it comes to body fat, once you get to a certain point, a woman's body does react differently than a man's does as they start to get really lean. Primarily because a woman's body is, whatever you believe, designed to support life. And so it is going to have more negative repercussions and is going to fight harder to get leaner than a man. In other words, a man can get down to 10% body fat, which is hard. If a can get down to 10% body fat, which is hard. If a woman gets down to 10% body fat, she has really sacrificed her health. She's lost her period. She's really just gone too far. This is why when you see body fat percentage comparisons, you know, a man at 15% is equivalent to like I think a woman at 20% or something like that.

I think there's a 5 or 6% difference that would be considered an equivalence that has to do with hormones That has to do with physiology and the like there's also just overall body mass If you weigh 220 pounds and you lost, you know Ten percent of your body weight you lost 22 pounds If you're 150 pounds you lose 10% of your body weight, you lost 22 pounds. If you're 150 pounds, you lose 10% of your body weight, you lose 15 pounds. So you lose less weight on the scale, but as a percentage, it's actually quite similar. And this is actually what we find in studies. When all things are controlled and everything's the same and we're not

going so low that we start to compromise health, because again that's what things really start to get different between men and women. What you see is very similar rates of body fat percentage loss with calorie restriction. Now when you stretch that out further, men do build more lean muscle. And so what this does do is it gives us a faster metabolism. But again, all things controlled, calorie deficit to calorie deficit, it really isn't a huge difference. What it looks like on the outside though is, oh my God, my husband, he's been lifting weights for the same length of time I have and I'm eating a little bit more and he's eating a

lot more and he can burn way more calories. But he probably gained twice as much muscle as you did. So his metabolism just reacts in a much stronger way. So I hope that kind of answers just the general differences. But specifically, I think what you're noticing with your husband is he cuts out bread. When you drop your glycogen, which is stored in muscle as well in liver,

you drop a lot of water. What you're seeing is water weight coming out of your husband. Doug, I'd love to do this as a single topic episode because I actually think we could talk about this for a while, because there's a lot of things, even culturally, that has affected how a female probably views this situation. You guys have been told to eat so low a calorie

for so long, so you have a lot of females have slower metabolisms because they've been eating so low for so long. You figure too, if you're comparing to a man who probably is walking around with a minimum of 20 to 40 more pounds of lean body mass, more muscle, and for every pound of muscle that he has on his body versus a pound of fat, his body needs more calories and burns more calories. So he has a massive advantage there. Testosterone is an incredible hormone for the metabolism,

for building muscle and holding onto it as you start to reduce. Women have lower levels of testosterone, higher levels of estrogen. So there's a lot of like factors that make this, to Sal's point though, like the general thing is this like, you just can't compare. It's just not fair for you to compare to your,

cause my wife says the same thing too, by the way. And it frustrates her all the time too. It's like, this is not fair. I feel like. It's very frustrating. Yeah. She's like, I'm trying so hard. I'm so consistent. You make a couple tweaks and all of a sudden it goes super fast for you. So, you know, it definitely seems worse than what it really is, but it's just not a fair comparison. You order to compare even to another man, you'd need to find a 5'5", 153 pound man who has the same amount of muscle as you have, and he is probably going to be closer to your

numbers but still has some advantages that we talked about earlier. It's really tough to try and compare and say, you know, that like that he's doing it. That's a good point too, Adam, that it's so much easier for me to communicate to a man that he needs to increase his calories to build muscle to get stronger. And I typically, not always, but more often with women get resistance to that. And oftentimes women accept that they're not getting stronger in the gym or don't even pay attention to it because they just think they're working out Whereas a man is more likely to be like hey, I want to get stronger. What can I do? And that is favorable towards fat loss But again all things being equal physically speaking

You know, we're definitely built different and we're built different for, for, you know, for different reasons. I think if, you know, if you, if you set up a test that compared men and women to be able to read people's emotions, just by looking at people's faces, you'd see a big difference there as well. Right? So, so when it comes to physicality and strength and all that stuff, you know, there's, there's always going to be a difference. And a man's body speaking, is more resilient to physical stress because, in other words, we're going to remain fertile with more physical stress than a woman.

A woman's body will stop being fertile much faster than a man's because if you get pregnant, you got to hold on to a baby for nine months. Then you got to nurse a baby, and then you got to care for the baby. Whereas a man just has to get someone pregnant. Evolutionarily speaking, it plays a big role in how we adapt to physical stressors like calorie reduction. That's why you see the two with the studies on fasting. Women are more likely to suffer hormonal imbalances from fasting than men. That's another example. So I hope that that helps. So yes, it does. Thank you so much. And since that time,

like my question was back from, I think January, so I haven't like gone on the seal just because I feel like that I've been listening to your show and like, you know, get rid of the scale. Like don't let that, you know, just like, kind of like feed into, you know, all of these emotions and stuff because just because of that number. So, um, I'm trying not to do that and focusing more on strength training since listening to you guys. Um, I've been thinking of starting anabolic, but I'm not sure if, you know, that's something that I should do or if I should do

something else, but it's, you know, journey from here. What are you following right now? Right now I'm just basically doing my own stuff, just like researching and just, yeah. No, I'll send you maps and a ball. Look, do the three day a week version. She has it. You have maps and a ball. Look, I don't, I don't.

Oh, I thought you said you were following. No, no, no. She's following her own program. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it'll, it'll blow you away. Maps and a ball.

Do the three day a week version. You're going to be blown away. And you're doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing by focusing on strength, uh, by focusing on performance. It's going to move you in the right direction. Your body weight, your height. I I'm assuming your body fat percentage is great. You'll look healthy.

Just keep moving in that direction. Let all that be the byproducts of you focusing on strength training and building muscle. I think that's the biggest difference to you guys' points is like with men that seems to be the prescription early on and then we're trying to help women kind of get in that mindset as well, that it's going to set you up long-term for better fat loss. By the way, what's interesting about this is that across the board and every

culture, all things being equal, women outlive men. So there is a downside to the hormone profile, and this is the theory, to the hormone profile that men have that tend to make us stronger and you know The type of genetics that we have for athletic performance. We also tend we also die a lot sooner So, you know, there's a there's a there's a trade-off there just an interesting conversation Yeah All right, Liz that you're all set up. We send the maps and the ball. You got it.

Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck to you. Speaking of which, have you guys seen the data on men who are widows or widowers, I think they're called versus women who are widows and the difference in how well men do versus how well women do?

I can only imagine. Men do terribly. I don't even need to see a stat and handle it. Men do terribly when they lose their wives in comparison to women who lose their husbands. So there's a lot of interesting differences between men and women biologically. It's just not a fair comparison.

I've seen women say things like, my husband gets so strong and he barely does anything. So, well, I do think this would be a cool single topic, Doug. I think, uh, cause we could talk. Why do men, why do men lose weight so easily versus women or something like that? Our next caller is our next caller is Enzo from Wisconsin. Enzo, what's happening, man. How can we help you?

What's going on, man? Good. I'm good. How you doing? Um, uh, first and foremost, um, I appreciate the heck out of you guys. You guys have like the best podcast, best YouTube, like period, you know, hands down, whatever I need for like my fitness, um, advice, information. I come right to y'all guys.

Like I only deal with y'all like for real. Appreciate that, man. Thank you. Oh, no problem. Are you welcome? Okay. Now the question I have, um, is there such, um, how do you know when you're too lean to, um, gain muscle? Um, I've been working out for about, uh, 23 years.

Um, 13 of that, I pretty much looked the same and I'm wondering if it's because I'm too lean or, or like, you know, what's the problem? Well, you're pretty damn good. Yeah. What I see is I think you're doing all right, man. Appreciate it, thanks. You know, there is some,

there is something to be said about your body fat percentage and your ability to build muscle. You are very lean. You look like you're sitting below 10, probably around 8%. You also look like a natural jacked guy too. Yeah, have you done a body fat percentage test to see where your body fat percentage is?

No, I just did like the calibers. I just use like the calibers and on the calibers it's like nine or 10 or something like that. Yeah, you look like you're 8 or 9%. Really it's about, have you been in a calorie surplus recently or not? If you're maintaining, I would say you probably need to pump your calories. But I pretty much eat whatever I want to eat.

I eat at least 3,000 calories. The only thing I know I'm not getting in is my protein, but I pretty much eat whatever I want to eat. So here's what's happening right now. You're eating whatever you want to eat, you're fit, you obviously got a lot of lean body mass, so whatever you want to eat, the way that you're eating is maintenance. Whatever those calories are is maintenance for you.

So the only way to know is going to be to track for about a week, just track everything, give yourself an average on a per day basis. And then, and by the way, guessing I'm always off. I've been doing this for years and I never, I'm always 20% off. Okay. So track, and then you say, okay, look, I'm averaging 3,100 calories a day or 2,800 calories, whatever it is, then just go 500 calories above that consistently hit your protein targets and you'll gain muscle for sure. I'd also do that simultaneously switching to a program that's really unique for you because another thing too is you've lifted as long as you have

you probably have a lot of things that you've done a million times in the gym and kind of shaking that up while also being in a surplus would serve you. So like, are you following any of our programs right now? No, I just have like the shoulder workout. Yeah, so give me an idea of kind of like a general week of like what's your split look? Are you in a split? Are you in a full body routine? What do you run right now? It's usually split. So on Mondays, it's usually bodies and legs, Tuesdays, it's chest, shoulders and triceps and Wednesdays, it's, it's usually split. So, um, uh, Mondays is usually bodies and legs, Tuesdays, it's chest, uh,

shoulders and triceps and Wednesdays is all back and I just repeat it. So it's Monday through Saturday and Sunday. I just usually do sprints for my cardio. Okay. So I think switching you up to like, I probably imagine a ball of advanced maps and a ball of advanced with the surplus. You would put some, some size on. Yeah.

So let us give you that program. Do what's South. And by the way, too, man, when I have a client So let us give you that program. Do what Sal said. And by the way, too, man, when I have a client like you, and I'll tell them, like, hey, listen, you're hiring me to help you, so I'll do whatever you want to do. But you're at a really good place in your life. The ability to, like, you know, you don't really

track that much. You just make sure you hit your protein. You kind of eat what you want. You train. And you maintain around 8%, 9%. That's a very, very good place to be but there's nothing wrong to say hey, man I want to I want to try and move the need a little bit more But then you're at such a high level that this is where you got to start track

You got it like start you got to act like a competitor you already look like you could compete So you're already on that level of a physique that if you want to get like stage ready jacked Which we can you've got to get to that point where you're diligently tracking because you already have reached kind of the natural level of like, if I just eat well, train well, be consistent, that you're a walking example of what that should look like. And then, but if you want to get crazy, you know,

we can get crazy. So in other words, you got to really think, is it worth it to you? Is it worth it to me to track, put all this effort into it? Or am I happy with where I'm at? And I'll tell you what, right now, I think if you just followed Maps Anabolic Advanced without changing and tracking, you'll probably see a little bit of gains, but if you added the 500 calories, you'll see some really good

gains, but you got to ask yourself, is it worth it? Cause it sounds like you're in an amazing place and you've been working out for so long, so, or maybe just maybe just for three months and see what happens Okay, and I usually sit at like 188 and like 190 so it's like I've never reached 200 before you know Yeah, if you want to do it we can do it. I mean I guarantee I can do it with you It's literally literally track. Yeah, well 500 calories follow a good program. It's like guaranteed formula. My favorite app is Fat Secret. There's a ton out there you can use, but I like Fat Secret so you can download it on your phone. I have Fat Secret, yeah it's real good. Okay cool, yeah. It has like the little... Yeah, yeah, so you already know.

Okay, so track with that, do exactly what Sal's saying, eat in that surplus, follow that program to a T, which I don't think you have a problem doing, and I think the rest will be... You'll get there. You'll see the gains. Just put, you're at that level now where you gotta, if you wanna move the needle now after all those years of training and how good of a shape you are,

us giving you little tips here and there ain't gonna do shit for you. You need like the next level of discipline and tracking to get to the next level. And like, do you think age plays a factor? Like, I'm almost 40, so it's like, am I starting to like slow down or? I mean, yes, you are starting to slow down.

I mean, you've been training as long as you have and you've done so good naturally. Doesn't mean though we still can't edge out more. I think you will with the 500 calorie surplus in your program, you're not 40 yet, I think you will. You look like, I mean, how long you been lifting consistently? 23 Oh, 23 years since I was 15. Yeah. So I think it's realistic to say that we could probably gain a good four to five pounds of lean body mass with a 500-pounder surplus.

I think it's realistic. I don't think it's easy, but I think you can do it. Well, especially if you haven't done like whole new stimulus and shook it up completely because we're all creatures of habit. Yeah, we're pretty much doing the same thing. Yeah, if you do the same thing for that long, you change it up, it's going to be big. That's why I asked that. I think MAP Centibolk Advanced is going to do, like Sal's saying, is going to do wonders for you by itself.

You're going to see a difference probably in strength gains and feel better right away. But if you add that with also increasing the calories and actually tracking and you're gonna see I guarantee we'll put muscle on. How tall are you by the way? Okay six pound. Oh yeah you're in a good body you're great dude you're doing great. Yeah yeah I'd like you to check back with us too after you do it I'd love to see how this goes for you. Most definitely I track all my progress I have a ton of videos and I'm definitely gonna track. Alright cool we'll have you back on if you have follow through on it. I have a ton of videos. And I'm definitely going to track. All right, cool. We'll have you back on if you have follow through.

Follow through on it. I'd love to follow up with you. And then follow up on us when you're getting towards the end of the program. And we'll have you back on to talk about it. OK, I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. You guys, again, you all are amazing.

And just I appreciate you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, dude. But I swear to God, it's like we just made an atom. You know what I mean? Just, you know, he looks just like you. Even his physique kind of looked like you.

Yeah, no, that's actually kind of what I, that's why I knew he was natural. That's what I kind of looked like when I was, when you were leaning natural? Yeah, the best shape I was in naturally. And that's so crazy, you know, it's so crazy how, you know, how he probably sees himself versus how we all see him.

I see him like, bro, you're perfect. And to be able to be in a place, not track, I pretty much eat what I want as long as I hit my protein intake. But that's the thing, this is it, if you're in that place, first off, that's amazing, but second off, you're eating at maintenance. If nothing's changing, then whatever you're eating,

however much you think you're eating, you're at maintenance. And what tends to happen in that situation, in my experience, is you get guys like that, and they do eat a lot, but then there's days that they don't eat as much. And when you average out the calories, it's like, oh, it's not as much as I thought.

100%, 100%. Or he did mention that he used to go for a run once a week. I didn't get a chance to ask how active he is, like if he plays sports, does other things outside of that? Because that could also make it more challenging for him to add anymore. But yeah, there's other things outside of that, because that could also make it more challenging for him to add any more. But yeah, you know, when I get a client like that,

it's like, yeah, I could do whatever you want to do. We can. Definitely have this. Just a couple buttons. Boop, you push them, and then they're gone. But I mean, you're also in a place that I think, and at his age, this is a very good place to maintain. Our next caller is Jennifer from California.

Jennifer. How's it going? I love it when people, by the way, call in front of their home gym. It's awesome. Jennifer, how's it going? I love it when people, by the way, call in front of their home gym, it's awesome. Hey, yes, I know. Well, I was like, what better place to do it than outside in the home gym, so.

That's cool, yeah, hell yeah. Beautiful. Awesome, well, thank you guys for taking on my question, and I've been a listener for a while. I won't go over the whole spiel, but all I can say is, Justin, I relate to your teenage son issues going on. I have a 15 year old son myself and just started high school.

So it's been, you know, up and down adventures. So it's been great. All right. Yeah. Well, best luck to you on that. Yeah. Hey, yeah, you too. You too.

You got two of them. I only got one. So, yeah. All right. I'll go ahead and just go off of my question here so that way I don't get all sidetracked. So I am 32 years old. I've been lifting for about six years now consistently. I ran MAPS Performance Anabolic and I started through split but stopped in the middle because it was just too much volume at that time. Anabolic gave me big gains considering I went from lifting six days a week to three day full bodies.

And my strength went up in each lift. It was very rewarding. My deadlift went up 30 pounds, my bench went up 15 pounds, and then squat went up about 20 pounds. So those were awesome. I recently decided that I would love to do a power lifting competition. I've always wanted to.

It's been something that I've just been dreaming about so I really want to move towards making that happen. I just started anabolic again. I took about a month off. We just bought a house so we just moved and all the craziness. So we took a little bit of time off in the gym and so just getting back into it again. I'm curious how long should you give yourself to train for a powerlifting competition? I'm a girl likes to get stuff done so I'd love to do it by November but I don't necessarily

see that being really realistic. So I guess my question to you guys is how should I run those programs? I have been looking into symmetry and then obviously power lifting program. But I don't know if I should maybe hit symmetry first and then go into the power lift or how I should do it. So that's why I'm here for you guys. That's it. I would.

Yeah, you hit it. That's perfect. Yep. Symmetry first, go into power lift. The most ideal, yeah. Power lift leading up to the competition. That'd be perfect. Okay. And then I don't actually have one scheduled yet as up to the competition. That'd be perfect. Okay.

And then I don't actually have one scheduled yet as far as the competition goes. I'm actually a trainer at a gym locally here in paradise. And, um, I want to throw my own event, like just like a little local event. So have you, have you ever done that over here? No, no, I've never done that, but that sounds awesome. So you'd put it, you'd do it at the gym and you would invite members and stuff to compete? Yeah, exactly. We even invite outside members.

Like they don't even have to be members, just anybody local in the town that wants to do it. And so I just was curious, I didn't know if you guys had any suggestions on how I should really do that. Who do we know that's done that? I've never run a powerlifting competition. No, we had a kettlebell competition in here,

but they ran it themselves. And then I did with the high school kids, we did sort of a fundraiser where we did a bit of a somewhat of a challenge like that. But it was like a three rep max. So that way we kind of brought the risk factor down just a bit. Yeah, I think the way that I would do it if I had a gym is I would advertise it mainly

in the gym and I would get people to sign up for it. And then I would hype people up in the gym and I would put together programs for people to follow in the gym. It'd be a great way for people to do their first powerlifting competition is how I would do it. As I would say, hey, if you've never done a powerlifting competition, you'd like to get ready for this, we're gonna be training clients for this or whatever. You're a trainer, are you a trainer there?

Yeah. Oh yeah, it'd be a great way to get clients too. I would totally put this together as a way to generate hype and excitement in the gym, building up to this one event and really getting people ready for this competition. That's how I would organize it. So have you actually attended and gone through,

or known anybody that's gone through power lift? Like, I don't know, for me, I'd probably want to attend one first and try to deconstruct it and ask questions and get people aligned with me first. Yeah, so I have, there is a power lifting competition in June. That's about 20 minutes away from me.

So I plan on going to that first to really, cause I've never been to one. I've never done one. I've never seen one. So. Yeah. The powerlifting community is so tight and they're definitely like.

Welcoming. Yeah. Well, thank you. I was looking for the right word. They, if you go there, you'll meet somebody who has either done one themselves or or the people that are putting it on with, yeah, they're all very supportive like that. So I think you just going there,

you're gonna get even better advice than we can get. In fact, the organization that's putting that powerlifting competition, I would just go up to the organizers and say, hey, I work at so-and-so gym, 20 minutes away. We would love to host one of your powerlifting competitions. And I think I'd like to organize it for and really invite new people to try powerlifting.

Is that a possibility? And I don't see why they wouldn't wanna do that because it's only gonna grow their organization and give them exposure. And they would probably do all the work from there. So that's a- Why don't you shout out your gym too, Jennifer. Where you at with gym? It's a new gym's a, why don't you, uh, why don't you shout out your gym, your gym to Jennifer, where you at? What gym?

Uh, it's a new gym. It's called elevate health and performance in paradise. So awesome. Cool. Awesome. Good deal. Great. Now do you have symmetry and power lifts? I do not. That's why I was calling. I was going to see which one I need to get next. So, uh, symmetry first and then get into power. Symmetry. We'll send you some symmetry. Okay, perfect. And then I'll just purchase power lift and just go straight from anabolic to symmetry

to power lift. Yes, that's perfect. That's it. That's the formula. You got it. That's perfect. Thanks for that advice too. I appreciate it.

I'm just going to go up to them and talk to them about hosting one. I never even I don't know why my mind. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do that. I Jennifer. Exciting though. Yeah, good luck with that. No, thank you guys. I appreciate it mind, so. No, great idea. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do that. All right, Jennifer. It was exciting though, yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, no, thank you guys, I appreciate it.

Thank you. Thank you. But I mean, you know, I've never hosted a powerlifting competition in any of the gyms that I've managed, but what a great way. No, what a great way to bring community in there. Oh my God, I mean, I wish I ever thought of it, to be honest with you.

We did, it wasn't like a real official one, we did this inside our gym, we did like a- Triathlon. No, we did a bench press. Oh, you did? Yeah, uh, it wasn't like a real official one. We did this inside our gym. We did like a triathlon, like a, no, we did a bench press. Yeah. Yeah. But it was like, so I didn't go through like an organization. It wasn't formal. You don't get no, like we didn't have judges. It was like, no, we did a triathlon with the stationary bike and swimming and,

you know, running on the treadmill. Did you guys do that too? Yeah. That was dumb. It was, it wasn't that great, but yeah, I don't see why the organization that she approaches wouldn't want to because they have a place to host it. It would only increase exposure. And then as a trainer, what a great way to build your business.

Yeah, that's great. Look, if you like Mind Pump, we have a free guide that'll teach you how to get big arms. It's called the Big Arm Guide. You can find it at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us all on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm back, by the way. I'm back, they kicked me off, but they brought me back.

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