Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2337: Is Hidden Household Mold Making You Sick?

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

How common is mold? (2:13) Mold can and will affect everybody. (5:08) The hierarchy of mold. (6:53) How much do filtration systems help mitigate symptoms? (9:21) The scale of mold tests. (10:21) The typical symptoms of mold exposure. (12:20) Her traumatizing mold story and how she got better. (15:47) Defining remediation. (18:03) The steps to see if you have mold exposure. (19:46) Is the removal process expensive? (21:07) Supplements or methods that support detox pathways. (28:02) The correlation between trauma and autoimmune issues. (40:20) The common misdiagnosis for people who have mold exposure. (43:55) Things, nutritionally, that can exasperate or help make your mold symptoms better. (49:32) Sings in your house that you may have mold. (54:20) Steps you can take to stop repeated issues. (1:00:10) Related Links/Products Mentioned Take the FREE quiz to help determine if you should test for mold. Visit the link here. Visit Entera Skincare for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** May Promotion: MAPS Strong | MAPS Powerlift 50% off! ** Code MAY50 at checkout ** AirDoctor | HEPA Air Purifier for Home and Office Symptoms of Mold Exposure: In House and More - Healthline A Brief Guide to Mold, Moisture and Your Home | US EPA Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction - Wikipedia Glutathione benefits, dosage, and side effects - Examine How Limbic System Therapy Can Help Resolve Trauma - NICABM Quercetin benefits, dosage, and side effects - Examine What Is the MTHFR Gene? - Healthline Discover Your True Biological Age & Reverse Aging with This Cutting-Edge At-Home Lab Test The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma Danger Coffee Mold Sickness Treatment - The Right Plan | Dr Shoemaker Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell) Instagram Website Dave Asprey (@dave.asprey) Instagram Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram

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Well, she came on with her co-host and I had an interview with her. Oh, that's right. But like three or four years since the first time. Since we got all of us. Yes. That's right. That's right. I hope this will be way better. Yeah. Obviously.

I have a lot more people to pay attention to this. You know, I wanted you on because of the experience that we, I, my wife and I personally had and you walked us through the whole thing and you're very experienced in this both because of your profession but also because you have personal experience. This is the topic of mold. So for the audience that doesn't know, we were living in one place and there was kind of this list of strange symptoms that were popping up for,

especially for my toddler. And Jessica would have some symptoms as well, a lot of it resulting in kind of insomnia. But my toddler was having gut issues and some skin issues and we just couldn't figure out what was going on. You would have us do these protocols and it wasn't working. And then you had asked us to do a urine test to test for mold. Lo and behold, both my wife and I had mold present in our urine.

And so you're like, okay, you got to test your house. And we did. We had this company come in, very expensive process, thorough process, which kind of sucks. They came in, they tested, and they found mold throughout the house, in the walls, throughout the HVAC, I mean, everything. And we had to move.

In your floors. I remember you guys had bottling in the floor. We had to had to move. In your floors, I remember you guys had bottling in the floor. We had to leave and move and within weeks we saw a lot of the symptoms resolve and now my toddler's gut health is like fine, seems to be totally fine. It took a little while, I think because his body had to kind of get rid of, you know, process the existing mold he had in his system, but it was crazy. And then when I looked into it and asked you about it, like this is relatively common. So what's going on here?

What are we looking for? What's happening? How common is this? So I think it's important to note if you are doing protocols, right? You just feel off. There's different systems of the body being affected and you've maybe tried a gut protocol or you've tried changing your diet or different things and you're not getting better, that's with Aurelius what was going on.

We were working on this and I'm like, why isn't he getting better? And especially when I saw the skin issue, because I knew that was yeast related, which is very tied to mold. So that is when you have to start thinking mold. And so it's when you start looking there. That's when I started looking there, like with patients, you know, sometimes I'll work on the gut and I'm trying to work on the hormones

and the diet and stuff first. And I'm like, they're not getting better. Why not? Well, it's the environment, right? And how much time do we spend in our homes or in your workplace? Like, it's not always your house. It could be your workplace. But when you start to have this issue where you're trying different things and you're not feeling better, then you have to start considering that you may have mold in your house. And it's about 80% of homes have previous water damage and about 40% of homes have current water damage. Wow. Okay. And then in this area, it's quite common because of where we live and rains and especially where we were near the foothills. So as I went down this rabbit hole, I was

seeing two camps. One camp was like, mold is everywhere, it's killing us. And the other camp was like, yeah, mold is everywhere. It's not killing us. This is like, if you look for it, you'll find it. So what's the, where's the truth with this? So it's actually depends on how you respond to mold mostly, right? So it's like your genetic setup.

So some of us are genetically predisposed to not tolerate mold. So we take in toxins and this is me, right? I take toxins in, I don't push them out well. So I'm very sensitive. So they build up quickly. Yeah, they build up quickly and then they don't leave. So that's going to be someone who's going to notice it first.

But mold is going to be someone who's going to notice it first. But mold is going to affect everybody at some point because I've seen like a husband and a wife, let's just say. The wife is very noticeably sick. She doesn't feel well. She's very sensitive. She's getting food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, all these different things. The husband's like, she's...

I don't know what's going on with her. It's not our house. Our house is fine. But then he has a heart attack because it can cause myocarditis. So, everybody's going to be affected. It just depends on your genetic like pre-coding to see how fast you're gonna be affected and if you're gonna be symptomatic. Or how it expresses itself. Yeah, how it's gonna express itself. But no one can really escape how dangerous mold is. And yes, there is mold everywhere.

There is mostly mold outside. There should not be more mold inside your house than there should be outside. And that's one of the things that a good inspector is going to test. They're going to see, OK, you have this much mold outside, but why do you have way more inside? That's a problem. Because I've always heard about black mold, you know, from construction and then what to look

for in the signs of different types of mold. So even we would sort of let certain types of mold slide. And so I don't know if you, I mean, in terms of like the different strains and things to look for and what the characteristics are in your house, and I'm sure that like, high volume of any mold's probably not good, but is there like, some real egregious ones to look out for and what does that look like in the other ones that are maybe less harmful? So, staccubatris is like the classic toxic black mold and people tend to think if you

don't have that, you're fine. That's not true. So what it is, it's the mycotoxins that mold produces. So there's mold and then mold, if it finds space indoors, it's like, oh, I want this space. But other molds and bacteria try to get in too. So when that happens, that mold is going to start spitting out chemicals. So mycotoxins are those chemicals.

There's other chemicals too. It's to defend itself or its territory. Exactly. It's like defending itself, but mycotoxins are getting in the air. We're walking through, we're inhaling mycotoxins. So it's more the mycotoxins that are the problem because mold spores can get into the lung and you can actually get them back out. Like you can cough them out. That's going to be the classic signs you see like stuffy nose, coughing, allergy type symptoms, right? Mycotoxins get in through the lungs and then get into circulation and they get everywhere because they're so small. So that's the problem. So you can have different types of mold like aspergillus, penicillum, different types of mold, but they're going to produce mycotoxins.

And so that's really what people are reacting more to because it's like the chemical, like in chemical warfare, they're using mycotoxins. Oh, they're using mycotoxins. Oh, they are. Yeah. So that's how dangerous the mycotoxins are. It's not, some people might not respond poorly to mold. Not to mention mold can be very hidden. It's hidden behind walls.

It's under flooring. It's under carpet. It's more when it gets up, exposed, like in the air, that type of stuff, or in your HVAC and it's blowing into your house. Those different types of scenarios, that's when it becomes more of a problem for people. How much do filtration systems like air doctors and things like that really help mitigate that? Are they worthless? Do they help some? Could it completely help in like you have a house that has mold and you'd be fine just because you have that?

Like, how valuable is a tool like that? It's a good tool for when you're remediating. So it's not the answer. It's not the same as getting out of the environment. But one of the biggest mistakes remediators make is they don't clean the air. So you have to clean the air, which is what the air doctor is doing, but you have to still get to the source. Otherwise, you're just like a bandaid, right?

Exactly, yeah. Just like this constant thing, and you're still going to get it yourself if you're walking through. But they're great. I mean, I have air doctors all around my house. So they're worth having. They're a good tool. They're just not the one and only answer. And they're not, they don't, you should not do that instead of remediation. Okay. Yeah, I did. So when I did the mold test, there were two tests that I did.

The first one, they mailed me like a, it was like a kit and I'd take this like swath of, I don't know what it was, material. It was the army test. Yeah. And I'd wipe things around the house and then send it in. And it came back and it wasn't definitive. It was kind of like, yeah, maybe, I don't know. And me, I'm kind of avoidant, so I'm like, we're cool.

But my wife kept pushing it, and so then we went with another company that comes in and they like, they'll drill a hole in your wall. They'll test inside the walls. I mean, through out the whole house. This was like a thousand, thousands of dollars of a big deal of testing. And then when that came back, then they're like, oh yeah, you have mold all over. So the testing itself makes a big difference as well because you could just do like a basic

test and see. When you did that test, is there like a scale? Yeah. Yeah, there is. So he did the test, he did the ERMI test. He sent it, he was like, I think we're good. He sent it to me and I was like, no, you're not. Yeah, because he's had some signs.

Because I, because you're right, he sounds like we're good, and I'm like, you're not. And then. Half of it's feces. And then, so I was like, you really need to get an inspection. So the ERMI test is like a step one. It's like, actually I think testing your body is step one, but as far as the house goes.

Yeah. Cause we had it in our urine. So. Yeah. And both of you had the same types of mold in your urine. So I knew it was coming from your house and it wasn't coming from here. So, so that's step one. Then I say, okay, let's do an ERMI test and see if anything comes up, which it did. And then I'm like, now this is coming up. Now you have to know how serious is this?

Where is it? Can it be remediated? And what are you going to do like moving forward? So that's why you hired the inspector. And then they've, they found a good amount to where it wasn't worth remediation. And it was like, let's just get out of here. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so what are the, what are the typical symptoms? You mentioned kind of allergy like symptoms, which we didn't really have. No, we didn't. We didn't notice stuffy nose, coughing,

which that seems obvious to me. Like if my kids are coughing all the time and I'm like, okay, there's something in the air. What are some of the other symptoms that you can look for that can tell you, like maybe you have some mold going on? Yeah, so there's a lot of symptoms, and I'll actually link a quiz for you guys, your listeners to take, because there's so,

you have to go through each system of the body and go, this could be happening, this, this, this. So common symptoms are anything that seems like allergies. So stuffy nose, itchy throat, itchy ears, trouble breathing, that kind of stuff. I never had any of that, and I've been in mold twice. You guys didn't either. Other symptoms of more like mycotoxin illness

is gonna be brain fog. You know, for me, it was like this anxiousness. It wasn't that I was anxious about something going on. It was like this internal vibration where my body was anxious and I'm like, why is my body so anxious? And actually the house that I live in now, the first night I slept there, I felt this internal vibration. I'm like, something is off here. And it was like a pretty new house, you know, and I'm like, it can't be my house. And so you're going to have like brain fog, anxiousness, trouble remembering words. And then you're going to have again, like the itchiness in the ears, the congestion,

all that kind of stuff. Again, you don't have to have this. You can have trouble breathing, wheezing, different things going on in the lungs. Again, don't have to have this, even though that's kind of their first point of contact. Then in the gut, you can have like alternating constipation, diarrhea, you know, bloating, just ulcers, just different things going on in the gut. And then you can have things with the skin. You can have different like eczema or.

Yeah, just. Araleus had like some. Weird rashes. Weird rashes. You could, those cherry angiomas, I don't know if you guys know what those are, especially if you get those in the trunk, that's highly related to mold and liver issues.

I'm trying to think what else. Fatigue. It's almost like getting to the cup. Oh, definitely fatigue. Autoimmune issues. Well, it can really lead to autoimmune issues too, or it can amplify autoimmune issues big time. Is it because of what it's doing is it's kind of

overwhelming, the mycotoxins are kind of overwhelming the body's detoxification systems. And so you develop just this hypervigilant immune system, which can attack anything. Yeah, and mycotoxins are lipophilic, so they love fat, so they get into our fat cells, they get into our nerves, our vessels, our liver, our brain.

I mean, I've seen patients who were diagnosed with dementia and it wasn't dementia, it was that they had mold. Wait, what? Yeah. So they thought they had dementia, diagnosed, you fixed the mold issue, their symptoms are gone. Their symptoms are totally normal.

Their brain fog was that bad? Brain fog? I can tell you when I was in mold before, brain fog was my worst symptom. Like I felt like I was living in a dream. I did not, I could not feel like I was in the now. You know what I mean? It was so weird.

It was awful. Wow. So, so I remember the first time you, you had mold, you told me this story with you. I guess it was, was under your bed? Was it? It was under, so it was coming in through a crack in the concrete, like a busted pipe crack

in the concrete coming up. There was a big picture. So I was, let me, this is important to note. So I was going through a very hard time personally. I was dealing with a lot of like relationship trauma stuff and I decided I was going to move out. So I was already with a lot of like relationship trauma stuff, and I decided I was going to move out. So I was already not feeling well.

I moved in with my mom temporarily. So the room she put me in had a busted pipe under the bed. She had a picture store in there. So this water was getting up into like with the picture. So causing this humid, wet environment. And I was sleeping on that bed every night. And I felt I would wake up and I would feel like I drank a bottle of vodka, like a whole bottle of vodka. The next day I'm like what I was stumbling out of the room. I would get to where I could get to the

couch and my mom had to drive my kids to school, like I couldn't even drive. And I would stare where I knew the bathroom was, but I couldn't get there. Like that's how bad I was. But now, you know, I just went through a whole remediation now and I'm not like that, but that's because I have all these things put

in place now that I didn't have put in place at that time. Like what? Like really supporting detox pathways. Okay. You know, supporting detox pathways. I do the sauna religiously and I've always eaten well, so that was already in place. But working on the trauma stuff like doing breath work, doing meditation, you know, always moving my body, different stuff like that, working on certain nutrient deficiencies and staying away from certain types of food like gluten, etc. So I'm in a much better place now. Not to mention I'm not this last time I wasn't sleeping on it.

It was in a room across the house. So it was a little bit better. But I definitely was just not feeling right. And I'm like, I know this feeling this is mold. And once I got that brain fog, I'm like, this is mold. I've got to figure this out. So I did. Wow. Define remediation for me.

Yeah. So remediation is when they come in, they find the mold. So I'll give you like specifics. So this time I have this house, I smell, everything looks great. The walls are clean, everything's perfect, right? But I smelled something in a closet. And I'm like, I could be like a dog, like a drug dog.

You know what I mean? My sense of smell is crazy. And no one else smelled it. But I knew, I'm like, this is a problem. There's something here. I had inspectors come out. They're like, yeah, your mold counts a little higher in this room, but not really figuring it out.

So I had a remediator come in, knocked down. So that closet shared a wall with the bathroom. All the piping was in between those two walls. So we took out the bathroom wall and the piping behind the closet wall was mold, like all aspergillus, the cladosporium, all this mold. Before you even know for sure, you spent the money and had that knocked down. I knew it was there. If you can smell something, it is there because microtoxins don't have a smell. Mold sends out other chemicals like aldehydes, VOC's and stuff. Those are what smells. But microtoxins don't tend to have a smell.

And if mold is behind a wall, you probably won't smell it. So the fact that I could smell something and the fact that we were tired and that I had brain fog, I was like, something's up and I'm just gonna take this into my own hands and knock this wall down and I'm glad I did because there was so much. Like it was, when they knocked down the wall and they swabbed it, it was like too high to count how much there was.

Now did you not just do a urine test to see if you had mold in your system? I did, yeah. I did the urine test first, I had tons of mold. Okay, so you were like, okay, there's definitely. Yeah, and I was like, I know, but I was like, okay, is this just because I had mold before and I never fully cleared it?

But I knew the numbers were too high, because I had taken mold tests before and the numbers weren't that high. So you had to have been exposed more recently. So that sounds like this step one for the person who's listening, oh shit, do I have mold? It's like, go get a urine test first.

Yeah, so urine, if you have good kidney function. So there's different ways you can test for mold. And this is why we had you and Jess test, because, but anyway, urine is my go-to. But if someone has really poor detox pathways, like their kidney function is not good, their liver function's not good, their liver function is not good, all that stuff, then I might test for different things in blood or-

Is that because they're not pushing it out through the urine? Yeah, they won't push it out so you can see it. Oh, so they're not even detoxing it through the urine. Yep. Wow. That's how bad some in mine were at one time. My detox pathways and a lot of my patients, their detox pathways are so bad, they can't even pee out the mycotoxins.

So step one, urine test. Step two, well symptoms, then urine test, and then okay, maybe blood test, and then from there, okay, let's test the house. Let's test the house. Yeah. You know what sucks about this is it's expensive. Yeah, it is.

It's not covered by like, there's not like a low-easy, easy-to-get. It is. It is. It's not covered by like, homeowner's insurance. Well, it is. It is some of it. So here's what I've learned recently. So I'm always learning, you know, and unfortunately I'm always learning from my own experience. So the remedial, or I'm sorry, the inspection is not covered, but the remediation is covered if you do it right. Like if you have a leak or if you have some reason

that it's not your fault that caused the problem, you need to use your insurance for the remediation. So my insurance covered part of my remediation this time. And then they'll also, like I had to like gut my kitchen. Because it, so I had another, I had a leak and this is a very common which people don't know. I had a leak in my freezer and it leaked. We took the freezer, you know, pulled it out,

fixed the part, dried it out, but it had been 24 hours. It only takes 24 hours for mold to become a problem. So if you don't completely clear things out before then, it's, you need to start cutting drywall. So we had a leak in the refrigerator. It sat for more than 24 hours. It went through to my son's closet. We pulled up the carpet in his closet.

There was mold. So my insurance will pay a certain amount for remediation. So they came in, they cut out all the drywall that had mold behind it. They took out the carpet. They took out all the cabinets in my kitchen. And you have to have someone who's reputable because you don't want to start mixing up mold and having mold go onto your couch or wherever it wasn't really exposed to before. So like they put these plastic almost tents up around the area, like their containment, right?

Where they were working and that you have to get someone reputable. But anyway, my insurance company covered that. And then I'm having my cabinetry place and all that, and my insurance company will cover that too. That's good. But you have to do it the right way. You know what's crazy about this is, because when we moved, right, so we're like, oh, mold, let's get out of here, right?

So we move, and then we tell Becky, hey, we're lucky, we found a place. Luckily we were renting, we didn't own, so we don't have to deal with the headache of all that. And the landlord let us go because we had evidence that the house was full of mold. We left, luckily we found a new place. We were blessed to find a new place relatively quickly.

We start moving in and then Becky's like, make sure you throw everything away, that's porous. I'm like, what do you mean? She was like, mattresses. Wash all your clothes. Don't bring anything into the new house because you could bring mold from the old place and the new place.

Now have you had clients like that? Where they're like, we escaped the mold and they just brought it to the next house? Well, we tell them upfront, you know, we're like, listen, these are the things that can stay. So like wash all your clothes and there's certain. And there's like a detergent additive that we

have. Yeah, that detergent additive we use. Um, and then we're like your couch, your mattresses, stuff that you really can't wash that's super porous. Those mycotoxins get in there. And I just went through this, like I had to throw out three beds, you know, but I saved the

dressers, you know, so it just depends. and, and a good remediator will tell you to like you can save this will they'll treat it, you know, treat the certain things. But I've had patients who they did everything and they brought like one piece of furniture back in and then they started getting sick again. Wow. You got to get rid of that. What a nightmare. Yeah.

Well, I mean, listen, it was rough because before we could bring the clothes in, we'd have to wash them and specifically wash them. And then we could bring them in and then we had to throw things away and spray things with a particular spray and it was a whole ordeal. It's a lot. It is. It's like my least favorite thing to tell any patient. But there are things you can do for your body to prepare to be okay. It can take you down or you can be okay.

That's kind of what I work with people on is getting through it without really going under. Imagine too the positive side of this is, you know, imagine the person who's suffering from like severe autoimmune, they've got all these issues and they're dieting and they're doing gut stuff and they're doing all these things and they're not solving it. At least you get to the bottom of that with that.

To answer at the end of the video. Are there any statistics around, you know, if a house is built before 1960, there's a 90% chance that you have it. If your house was built, like, do they have stats like that? They do. And I can't like lay them out there for you, but I can tell you like older, older houses tend to have mold. Yeah.

I think you guys are older, older house, right? Older houses, the way they were built, tend to be more likely to have mold. And then brand new houses that the way they're building them now, like I live in Florida, everybody's moving there. Humid, but also they're throwing out these houses in like six months, you know?

So they're not like there's the ventilation is poor, they're right on top of each other, and all it takes is poor ventilation, humidity, which how many states have humid weather, and then like high carbohydrate type of things, like drywall, you know, because the mold needs something to eat. Oh, wow, I didn't even think of that.

Yeah, so mold loves dry wall. It loves anything that's pre-digestible. So like certain things, it won't, like concrete is harder to, you know, but you can have concrete if you have dust and humidity, you can have mold, but more likely it's gonna be dry wall, carpet, certain types of flooring, paint, wallpaper, which wallpaper has come back really big in the last, what, five years.

Is it the paste or the glue underneath it? It gets behind it and people dry or they wallpaper their bathrooms and then that humidity gets in there and that's that space between the wallpaper and the drywall, which Mold loves both and it kind of settles in there. So you've got to turn on the fan. The fan. Yeah, the fan in the bathroom when you turn on a hot shower.

That's the most likely place. Yeah, the steam goes up. I remember seeing that and I've had a place already. There's hotels that will turn on automatically. Yeah. Have you ever been to a hotel like that? The fan will turn on automatically if it gets a certain humidity to prevent that. The bathroom's got to be in the kitchen, in the laundry room, I would assume, are the

most likely. Yeah, because that's where all the water is. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. So supplement-wise, because you mentioned supporting detox pathways. So these are the ways that your body gets rid of any natural toxins or toxins that it's exposed to. So- Water and sauna have to be the top.

So, liver, urine, and poop are the three big ones that I'm thinking about. So how do you support the body through all of this? So before, okay, so when I have a patient, let's say I know they have mold, before I'm going to go in and aggressively get this mold out of their body, I'm going to make sure they're supported. So number one, I'm going to make sure they're able to push things out. If you start going in and killing things and pulling things, but you can't get them out, that's going to make the patient very sick. Is that the Herxheimer effect?

Herxheimer reaction, yes. Okay, so you go in there, you treat them with something, antimicrobials or whatever to kill whatever mold or whatever. But if they don't have the ability, what you're saying is that could overload their system even more. Big time. It's like a bucket, right? And we've talked about this with histamine and stuff before when I've been on here. But if you can't push out, you shouldn't be going in and killing. It's just going to recirculate and it's just going to mix everything up because when you kill something like let's say bacteria or fungus, which mold is

and yeast is and they're very tight, then they start releasing toxins. That's what happens when you kill it. Those toxins get in the bloodstream, they make you feel very sick. So you have to make sure that the person can push things out before you start attacking them. So the first thing I start very basic, I work on, I'm like, you know, deal with, let's start breath work, let's start movement, let's start, you know, really gentle detox because a lot of people

with mold illness are very sensitive. You can't go in there and be like, start taking all these supplements. They'll feel terrible. So you know, of course I love the sauna if you can do the sauna because the sauna not only pushes toxins out in the sweat, but it brings a lot of circulation to our organs of detox, right? So that's really important.

You can do things like rebounding, you know, jumping on the little, those little trampolines that people are doing that's moving the lymph, dry know, jumping on those little trampolines that people are doing that's moving the lymph, dry brushing, moving the lymph. Castor oil packs over the liver. That's for really sensitive people. Once you're not that sensitive, then I'm like, all right, let's get into milk thistle, N-acetylcysteine, glutathione,

which is the master antioxidant, glutathione. Do you work with a supplement or? Yeah, I do supplements. Okay. I do tell people if you can get IV, glutathione is great via IV. Some people don't tolerate it well, but most people are pretty okay with that. And also, but you have to work with the limbic system. Our body remembers, and when people are sensitive,

your brain develops a fear over things. So if you took a supplement and you have a bad reaction, you're going to start developing this fear of taking any supplement. So that's how sensitive of people I work with sometimes. So we have to, I have to have them do like limbic system retraining, working on the vagus nerve, like just calming the body down. Well, pause there. That's interesting. And that makes a lot of sense. So somebody who has lots of bad reactions then starts to develop a form of trauma around that method and the body then can react. This reminds me of when I would train a client

who would have an injury and the injury was in some way catastrophic. They couldn't play their favorite sport anymore. They had to stop doing something they really loved. And then they would develop fear around movements around that and oftentimes feel almost like phantom pain in those areas because of it. I've actually experienced, I had one client in particular where she had shoulder pain and it prevented her from swimming. She was a high level swimmer, loved it, had to stop. We worked on correctional exercise. I mean, it got to the point where it's like there's nothing functionally wrong with your shoulder. The pain didn't go away until she went and worked with a therapist and a bodywork specialist and she had to deal with the, oh my God, that was really traumatic for me that night. And then all

of a sudden the pain went away. It was the weirdest experience. It was the first time I'd ever seen that. Yeah. It's how it works with so many things, especially when someone becomes very sensitive, which I can say probably one of the big trademarks of mold illness is being really sensitive. Like you just, you get sensitive to smells and foods and you just kind of feel like what is going on? Why do I feel so crap? Why am I set off so easily? These are like people who start to, they'll smell, um, perfumes or chemical

smells and it'll just- Chemical sensitivities. Cause their body's so overburdened already. You take in that, you know, chemical, whatever, someone's cologne, perfume, and you're just like set off. Now, what does limbic work look like? It's a lot of meditation, breath work. It's kind of like that.

So basically the kind of work that would put you in a parasympathetic- Exactly. You're activating that vagus nerve. So you want to do that rest and digest because when you have mold illness, you're in that sympathetic overdrive. So everything seems like a threat to you. So you're fight or flight all day long. And so we want to try to like calm that down, get you feeling calm and feeling

safe and feeling like you can try things. And then you want to start adding certain supplements. You know, you want to do things like DHA, you know, fish oils. It's very good. So because mold is lipophilic, you can actually dilute mold by adding more healthy fats in the body. You want to do things like quercetin because quercetin is very mast cell stabilizing. So our mast cells are the cells that come into high alert anytime there's like a foreign invader. This is good.

By the way, quercetin, correct me if I'm wrong, is a great supplement for people with seasonal allergies. Allergies, histamine intolerance, mold illness. Yeah. COVID, it was big with COVID. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so you want to do that, like bioflavonoids, you want to do glutathione

because it's, like I said, it's the master antioxidant. Melatonin is really good because it's a good brain antioxidant and with the brain fog that everybody gets with mold, it can be really helpful, but you have to be careful because melatonin in general can give you brain fog.

So you just have to kind of start slow and expect that you're going to feel a little like, it makes you sleep really hard. I had a client once and this was my first experience with it. And I almost didn't believe this was the, like what happened, but I did see it with my own eyes. She struggled with weight loss for a while. Um, and she would kind of generally be inflamed. And you know, at the time I was more of the meat head trainer, like macros, calories, exercise.

And it was just like this last 15 pounds that wouldn't come off and she was one of those very sensitive people, which I hate to say this. I think, uh, people who are like that tend to get wouldn't come off and she was one of those very sensitive people, which I hate to say this. I think people who are like that tend to get dismissed a lot by people around them like, oh, it's just, oh, and something else. Everything is sensitive to you. Maybe it's just in your head type of deal.

She was one of these people and she did find mold. This was back when I was like, okay, sure, whatever. But she moved and the weight came off. So it affected, I don't know if it was her appetite or if it was water and inflammation. She did look like she was inflamed quite a bit, but it actually had an effect on her ability to get leaner. And she did seem like a different person after she moved. It was like things did change.

And that's kind of what opened me up and said, well, maybe what she was saying was true. Well, it affects your hormones. It makes you inflamed. It affects your stress levels, which affects cortisol, which makes you gain weight. A lot of people who are living in mold or have had at least prior mold exposure can hold on to that extra weight and then they have to clear it out before they can lose it. People with methylation issues are people that have issues with detox pathways, right? Yeah.

Okay, and there's a gene. What is it? MTH? Well, MTHFR is one of them. There's multiple genes. Actually, there's HLA-DR and DQ. It's like a haplotype for mold sensitivity specifically. And you can actually test that. And that's why these people who have that will be very, very sensitive.

And they probably have MTHFR gene mutation as well. So they're just, they're not getting rid of anything that they're coming in contact with. Okay, wait. So it sounds like we should almost do that test first, then the P test. No, I don't test people a lot for that because you don't have to have that to be sensitive. And so I think that for me, I'm like, first of all, it's not cheap. None of this testing is cheap. It's not covered by insurance usually. And if you don't have that, you can still be very affected by mold. So I don't tend to do that. I will do it as someone asks.

Okay. So pee still first. I'll say this though. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I like testing for that mainly because it also affects your ability to absorb certain nutrients. So if you have the MTF-HR, HFR, sorry, then you probably want to supplement with like, or at least test to see if you have adequate B vitamins or maybe supplement with the methylated forms of folate and B. If you tolerate that, so this is the thing with genetic testing. We know the tip of the iceberg. Okay, that's a good point. And with these tests, like the 23andMe and all that stuff that we have now, they're great.

And I had you guys do that. Yes. The HLA-DRNDQ is not going to be on that test. So that's the one I was saying. I don't know that I would do that one. But just genetic testing is good. But you have to have a secondary test for some of these things. So if you have an MTHFR gene mutation, I'm going to test homocysteine in the blood to see if you actually need those

methylated Bs. Some people don't. So some genetic mutations are not affecting you. And people get these reports and they're like, oh my gosh, I have all these problems. And you're like, well, maybe. You wanna know what's funny? I had Dave Asprey on the show and he was talking about his genetic testing and he would not say on the show whether or not he had that because he said it could affect your insurance. Oh.

Yeah, so I'm like, oops, because I've shared that I have that. Me too. So does my wife. And he was all like, no, I don't wanna say if I do or I don't. Just a skydive. Yeah, I'm like, oops.

Yeah, it's just a game. But he's done that. But yeah, because we both have that. So I know my kids do, obviously, because both of us. Funny fact, a fun fact, I had, I forgot who it was, I think it was Dr. Seed on. We talked about this and I asked him, he said creatine was a good supplement to help because I think it's a methyl donor. It helps with methylation. Yeah. Well, you know, what's funny is that my, you know, one good thing about my insecurity as a kid of being too skinny and always working out or whatever,

I've been taking creatine daily since I was 16 years old. Which has probably helped your… I have no symptoms of any of methylation issues. I've always been fine and I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that I've been taking creatine since 1994 or whatever. It does. It does. It's just as effective as B vitamins sometimes. Sometimes we need other things. Sometimes B vitamins are too much. I work with people so sensitive they cannot even tolerate a B vitamin. What happens? They get very anxious. So you have to give them niacin, which is also a B vitamin, but they can't handle the B9 and B12. You have to give them niacin to calm them down.

Then you have to work with other things like maybe glutathione, maybe glutathione precursors that they can't even handle. Like NAC? Yes. Okay. A lot of it is limbic system retraining. A lot of it is you're so amped up all the time that you can't tolerate anything. Is this why they find a correlation between trauma and autoimmune issues or trauma and

a lot of things that you're saying? Well, trauma is your body's way of keeping score, right? So we take trauma in and it has to go somewhere if you're not working it out, so it gets buried in the body somewhere. And for most people who aren't getting that out, it presents as illness. It will kickstart genes, you know? Not every gene is turned on. So great book, I read that book the body keeps the score Yeah, and the theory which is becoming more and more accepted now by mainstream

Medicine because for a while they were like no, but now they're like, yeah I think this is what's happening is that there's this natural cycle of trauma processing that we have to go through and If you do And by the way, the evidence for this are all of the rituals that we've had for thousands of years around traumatic events, so funerals and deaths and stuff like that. The reason why we have these rituals to begin with is probably because we identified a long time ago that there's a process that we have to go through. Otherwise, the cycle tends to get stuck. So it's like you have trauma, block it out, avoid it. It doesn't go away. It stopped at this part of the cycle and it just stays there.

And then it turns into behaviors, abusive towards yourself, towards others, maybe substance abuse or pain, chronic pain. I think- Pain or feeling exhaustion. I mean, how exhausting is it to be around someone who's abusive? I mean, it's very exhausting. So like chronic fatigue, you know, a lot of that has to do with trauma. So that's why when I work with people, I'm like, you have to address all of this. It's not just a supplement. You know, we have to figure out, you know, is your body going to allow you to work on

things? Because if you've got all this body going to allow you to work on things? Because if you've got all this stuff going on, your body's on like defense mode all the time, you can't just start taking supplements. So there's a whole system to it. Yeah, I have a personal question on some level. We've been trying to kind of figure out like Courtney has gone through a lot of different testing and stuff for hormones and has figured out she says, you know, thyroid issues and you know, we've been able to kind

of medicate that and we're not. Uh, but there's this, and I first thought it was funny because it's just, it's one of these things we kind of mess with her first, the kids and I, she's very jumpy, like to the point where, you know, the dog barely makes a little chirp and she's just, like, we'll throw something in the air. And it's like, but it's like extra like to the point where it hasn't been that before. And so for me, like just hearing you talk about this in terms of limbic system and like, you know, being able to process, you know, and detox properly, like, I don't know if, you know being able to process you know and detox properly

like I don't know if you know maybe that's the route we look at in terms of where to go next. So when you have when you're very jumpy you're on sympathetic overdrive so you're in fight or flight most of the time so she has to start doing like vagus nerve work you know calming down her nervous system and then that's going gonna affect hormones like cortisol, then cortisol's gonna affect the thyroid. So she's never gonna fully be able to, you know, manage the thyroid issue if she's not working on the things that are causing it.

And there's, believe it or not, trauma alone could be the cause of certain nonimmune diseases. So yeah. Oh, okay. All joking aside, um, cause I've worked with a lot of clients like this where they get, they, they go to doctor to doctor and they tend to get dismissed or misdiagnosed. You mentioned dementia.

What are the common misdiagnoses for people who have, yeah, for mold. You mentioned brain fog, so it could be like an extreme case dementia. Parkinson's dementia, yeah, multiple sclerosis. Whoa. Because it really affects your nervous system. So when I lived in mold the first time, I thought I had MS.

I went and got a brain MRI. I was like, I have MS for sure. I was numb everywhere. I could, my coordination was off. That's very common. So different things like that. And then different on immune diseases, but those are really happening because of these,

this constant state of inflammation. I wonder how many people are on anti-anxiety medicine and or antidepressants because of something that they haven't solved. Antidepressants are like the biggest thing that doctors who don't know what the answer is they give you the antidepressant. And it is depressing to feel like crap all the time. So yeah, you're depressed but you're not depressed because you have a chemical imbalance, you're depressed because you feel like shit because you're not depressed because you have a chemical imbalance. You're depressed because you feel like shit, because you're living in mold,

or whatever the situation is. I tend, in my experience, and I've heard this as well, I don't know if this is true, but that women tend to get more dismissed by medical professionals than men. Is that because women are more sensitive to issues with detox, or is it simply because they're just not being listened to?

I think it's because men don't. So when I take on a new patient, I have an intake form. We wait until we're dying. So you do. You do. We wait until it's an obvious problem. Yeah. When I do a form, it's like zero is the least, three is the most. Women are like three, two, two, three, two, like going down, men are like zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, one, zero, zero, zero. What are you guys taught when you're young?

You fall down, don't cry, suck it up. So that carries on through your life. I mean, I can't say the same for when you guys get a cold, but when you guys have like a serious issue. You know, studies show that we get a worse cold with the same virus. Okay. But when you get like something going on, you tend to dismiss it because that's kind of, in my opinion, what you're taught to do. Women are not taught that. Women are, we can express ourselves. We're like very in tune with our bodies. And so I think that it's

just that if a man saying something is wrong, it's like, oh my gosh, there's a problem. Yeah. It's totally beyond wrong. There's also this, which I think is also true, is that women are more primed to be vigilant than men are because threats are more threatening to women for obvious reasons, but also because, you know, women have to care for an infant or a child, and especially, and I saw this with my wife, you have a baby, those alarm bells go,

they increase the sensitivity before I could sleep through different things. And now it's like I'm heightened because my body's primed to be super careful because I have this little baby to take care of. Yeah, and it's also our hormone fluctuations. We have a period, we get pregnant, we go through perimenopause. Menopause, guys don't really have that. So estrogen works with a lot of different things and makes different things more aggressive. Let's take histamine intolerance for example. If you have estrogen dominance,

which many women do, you're going to push out more histamine. Men don't really have that going on. So women are feeling worse, but they're also talking about it more. Yeah. And how long does it typically take a patient of yours to get to you? Because I would imagine you're not the first or second or third person. It's probably been a while before they're like, okay, I don't know what else this is. Some people right away, just because functional medicine has gotten a lot more recognized, but typically it's like I've been to this doctor, this doctor, they want to divide everybody in parts. I have a gastroenterologist, I went to an ENT,

I went to an endocrinologist, where we just look at everything together. But lately I've actually gotten a lot of men who are reaching out because of their wives. They're seeing it and they're like, something's wrong with my wife and they're starting to do all this research and they're not buying what they're hearing and they're calling it and they're like something's wrong with my wife and they're starting to do all this research and they're not like buying what they're

Hearing and they're calling or vice versa women are you know doing the same for their husbands or their spouses or whatever What signs are they typically seeing? Usually it's like they'll say my and this is probably because it's affecting the person also Like my wife has seems very her moods are really high mood swings. Well that's gotta not fly well. How do you bring that up? Right. Hey honey, I called the doctor yesterday.

I knew this. You've been unreasonable lately, so I figured there's something wrong with you. Or waking, like that's also something you can't really say. But no, more like my wife isn't feeling well, something's wrong, no doctors are giving us answers. And I'll have pretty well-known people reach out to me and tell me that.

And I've had a lot of that recently. And then women always bring their husbands in. That's no problem. Oh yeah, they're like, something's wrong with him, he won't listen to this and blah, blah, blah. What do we do? If you are suffering from mold, are there things nutritionally that will exacerbate it

or are there things that we can do to make it better, like fasting or stuff like that? Yeah, you mentioned gluten. Well, gluten's inflammatory. So, but there's actually foods that are higher in mold. So like cantaloupe, like the rinds of cantaloupe can pick up mold. I'm sure you've probably seen that.

Grapes, I'm sure you've seen mold between grapes. Even strawberries sometimes. Like certain foods get mold on them quicker. But then mold is very tied to yeast. So you have to start thinking about things that feed yeast. So fermented foods, vinegars, like soy sauce, um, peanuts. Peanuts are notorious for having a lot of mold in the packing process. Like there's a lot of mold growing in there.

Coffee. This is why there's all these companies now that are like mycotoxin mold free because coffee is notorious for growing a lot of mold. So there's, there's foods like that, that you can avoid, but you only want to avoid them while you're, if you know you have mold and you're like going through a protocol, but you only want to avoid them if you know you have mold and you're going through a protocol. You don't have to never eat those foods. No, that's what I meant.

If you, okay, I took the test and, oh, I have this, right away I'm thinking, okay, what are some things I should start to do food-wise? We bought this, Jessica has coffee every morning, and we bought this container that you put the coffee grounds in and then you this container that you put the coffee grounds in and then you suck out the air to help prevent. That works, right? Or that helps? It can, yeah.

But you have to, the company also has to have their own process because just regular, yeah, like regular organic coffee and a regular non-organic coffee, it's going to have mold and mycotoxins. So you have to have like these specific companies that I'll use only them, that they go through a specific process to get rid of those mycotoxins and make sure that's not happening in the first place. Isn't that how Dave Asprey blew up?

Isn't it? Bulletproof was the first one that did that, wasn't it? I think so. Yeah, he talked about it. He talked about it a lot, yeah. I, I think he was one of the first. Well, he didn't make coffee until now, right? Or no? No, that's his second coffee.

Yeah, Bulletproof is the original. That's right, that's right. Yeah, so, and I believe that was what he did originally that made him so famous for it, because it was right at the beginning when people started to pay attention to that. Yeah, and his new coffee actually has fulvic acid in it, which is a binder.

So it can actually pull out toxins. It can bind to toxins and help you pull them out. Oh, that's in Shilajit. Yeah. We have that. That's the Shilajit's high in fulvic acid. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Very cool. We'll be eating that every day now. Yeah. But let me tell you something. This is very big because everyone thinks I have mold. I'm going to use a binder.

Do not use a binder if you're not sweating and if you're not pooping. Why? Because you're- Oh, then it'll just stay? Yeah, it will stay. So what happens is, so we have bile. Bile takes toxins from the liver to the gut and then we poop them out. Well, mold is very sticky, so mold does not let you drop it off at the gut.

So then it goes back to the liver, and back to the gut, back to the liver. Like it sticks in with the bile. Yeah, so you have to like separate the two. So with a binder, a binder will bind to that mold and it will separate it out. And also you can use certain things that help the bile to keep moving or ox bile, like different things

that help with bile depending on if you need that or not. But if you're not using or if you're not pooping, if you're constipated, it's gonna constipate you more, probably, it's gonna grab it and hold onto it and then it has nowhere to go. And I always say like a good test for sweating is like if you can sweat easily or let's say you get in a sauna and you sweat within about 10 minutes

you're ready for a binder. If you can go in a sauna for 30 minutes and you don't sweat, don't take a binder. So what about what if they try drinking more water and then trying again? Sometimes that means they're not drinking water, right? It's various reasons, but binders are one of the number one ways you treat, you get mold out of the body.

Activated charcoal? Yeah, there's different things. I like to use kind of a blend. You can even use fiber. Like some people are super sensitive. Chia seeds, flax seeds, psyllium husk, like those things are binders. So you can start there and then you can kind of graduate

into charcoal and fulvic and humic acid and different things like that. Benzenite clay? Yep, benzenite clay. Okay. So those things will grab onto it, but you have to be able to get it out. Is moldy cheese something that Justin would need to avoid if he had mold? Be careful with this question.

Really? That too? Well, yeah, you don't want to add it. You don't want to add anything that has mold to your body. Even though that's one that we would normally consume, but just if you're already overloaded. Yeah, if you're overloaded. Wow. What are signs in your house that you may have mold besides symptoms and smell?

I'm assuming water damage. Any water damage. You see water damage or you've had water damage. Assume there's mold. Most likely you should assume there's mold. You need to be having your HVAC unit tested very regularly. You need to get on a plan. Every six months they should be out there.

You should be using certain types of filters. There's all different things that you can do, but the HVAC unit is a dehumidifier. You need to be... It's humid houses are a big problem. So like my house was at 66% humidity. It did not feel humid at all, but it was. So like you need that you can test that. You can test your humidity. And if it's not, if a air conditioning company is coming out and they're servicing your HVAC, they're going to test those things for you and they're going to make sure your, your filters are changed out and all that. So there's that and then any smell. I mean, if you smell something, there's no

way you don't have a problem. Yeah. And like, I swear, like having a conversation like this just makes me feel like as a species, we're just getting weaker. It's like we're so like, like all these nice things and amenities we have, we're just getting weaker and weaker. Or we just yeah dealt with problems forever and never thought to like investigate it. Yeah. I mean I'm like the I'm gonna have to go I'm gonna buy a new concrete house that's what I'm doing.

Yeah. Yeah. Fully concrete. Don't have any dust or humidity. Soft spots in the wall too, where bubbles in paint. Oh, bubbling in the paint, wallpaper, flooring, any buckling in the flooring. If you see a little boop in your floor, you got to have that. We had almost a situation because we had moved to the new place. We did everything you told us, which was a nightmare.

At one point, I'm like, Becky, stop because I think you're driving us crazy. But we did everything and then I got a picture from my wife, I'm at work, I got a picture, and there was a little bubble in the paint somewhere, and I was like, no, no, dude, there's no way, no way. I'm like, there's no pipes there, how the hell is the water gonna go? Is this at the new house or the original one?

New place. New house. I got the same one. But, yes, and I'm like, no, there's no water there, how could it be possible, like, whatever. But anyway, it was just because they had just painted the house, it had something to do with the paint. We had someone come in, expect it,, there's no water there. How could it be possible like whatever but anyway It was just cuz they had just painted the house and had something to do with the paint Yeah, we had someone come in expect it and there was no exactly That's what you need to do. Just need to find out like don't ignore it

What does that cost you to have like a bubble inspected? Oh, no, it was nothing the guy came and did it for free He was a friend of the you know the owner. Oh, yeah, but that wouldn't be any you scrape it off yourself Yeah, see underneath. Well, just be careful But that wouldn't be anything. You can just scrape it off yourself and see underneath. If it's wet. Well, just be careful with that because you don't want to mix things up in the air. Oh, throw all the mold everywhere. How common do you think this is?

Common. Like I said, 80% of houses have had water damage. This is from water damaged buildings. It's not that you ate one moldy piece of bread and now your life is flipped upside down. Yes, you can have issues from that, but it's mostly that we're getting it from water damaged buildings, the mold in the water damaged buildings is causing mycotoxins. We're inhaling the mycotoxins and we're getting sick. So, yeah, I was just going to say like, so if let's say you had symptoms before, like

you've been receiving this from food, you changed up your food, but really the biggest defender is that it's like the, you know, at the house and it's this constant exposure. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, you can't, you have to get, so this is the worst thing I hate saying and this is what I had to say to you guys, you got to get out of there. And not forever, you know, but you have to get away from the exposure. If you're constantly being exposed, you can't get better.

No, you have to get away from the exposure. That's number one. And that means get out of, get away from it in the house. If you are remediating, try not to be there during the remediation process. If you have to be, make sure they're closing off your air units and all the things that can send it through the house. Like make sure they're taping things off there using the plastic. Like I said, like there's a system to it if they're a good remediator and you know, use the air doctor or whatever system you choose to use. Like cleaning the air, all that type of stuff. You have to try to get

away from it. Think about all your stuff. If it's like a carpet or something that it's just really hard to clean, just get rid of it. I mean, and then clothes you can wash luckily. So you don't have to go buy all new clothes, but get rid of your mattresses, buy cheap ones in the meantime, you know, whatever you have to do, have someone come in. There are products you can use to clean off things like wood. And so you have to do, have someone come in, there are products you can use to clean off things

like wood. And so you have to do that, like avoid it, avoid, avoid. So avoid it with the food at the time, avoid it with your exposure in the building. And then eventually you'll be okay and it will come out of your body. I would think that the HVAC system has to be one of the worst things, right? Yeah, I think I replaced the whole thing, dude. I had to blow it throughout the house. Yeah, that's what I mean. So I would think that would be like one of the,

and then I would think that somebody would have invented or came up with some sort of a filter that goes on every vent or something. There is. And there are whole home filtration systems, like, but it depends on your budget. It's not cheap, you know? So I just had to replace both HVAC units in my house because I had a leak

in both of them. And again, a lot of money, three companies missed it and three air conditioning companies were like, no, you're fine. You just need to paint your ducks. You know, there's a paint you can put on. It's like antimicrobial. And then a fourth company came out and they're like no you have leaks in both units

But my ducks were okay like it just depends like you have to have people come out and like Inspect and tell you what's going on and then you have to do what they say What a pain in the butt it is a pain in the butt. It's it's not but sometimes it's a past exposure Sometimes you worked in a place for a while, a lot of government built, you know, government, housing, like schools, that type of stuff is notorious for mold. Yeah, this is one of those situations, I would say,

where you're treating or working through the more common issues, and things aren't just, they're just simply not resolving. Nothing's resolving. I can't figure out, like repeated SIBO, repeated Candida. I treated it. It's back. I treated it.

It's back. Food intolerances, they come back. I treated myself for parasite, but why am I not getting better? Then I would say that's when you're like, okay. That's the source because the source has not gone. When you're inundated with mold, it really limits your body's ability to prevent things like SIBO or prevent things like CFO, right? Fungal overgrowth or Candida. So if it's coming back and back, I've known people like this as well where they had Candida, they treated it,

and it came back. Yeah, and it shouldn't. No, it should get rid of it and then it stays and it came back. And they treated it, it came back. Yeah, and it shouldn't. No. No, it should get rid of it and then it stays away type of deal. So it's basically like if you're listening and you just have these repeated issues and you can't figure out what the hell is going on, then the next step would be test your urine and then test your blood for mold. You don't have to test your blood unless you can get it through the urine.

Yeah, if that doesn't give you a positive, you want to be sure. Yes. So there's some, you know, I'll do the Shoemaker protocol. Dr. Shoemaker was like the first founder of biotoxin illness, and he did a blood panel. And then since then they've come up with other testing that's easier. But yeah, I'll do that on some patients if they're not showing it in the urine. And I'm like, I know you have it. And then I'll do the Shoemaker blood protocol or other things I can see in blood too. And I'm like, I know you have it. And then I'll do the Shoemaker blood protocol

or other things I can see in blood too. And I'm like, okay, you do. So, but another thing that's super important to know is, so it's basically like support, like avoid support, bind, then kill. And that you have to go through antifungals to kill because where there's mold, there's yeast almost always, right?

So that, that is an important part that a lot of people miss. They just take a binder and they're like, okay. Yeah, but then they have Candida or whatever. Exactly. So, and then you have to treat your nose. So, because we have like colonization in our nose and then when you're breathing in mold.

How do you treat your nose? You spray. So you do antifungal sprays. Like xylitol? Well, xylitol's more of a biofilm disruptor. Okay. So that would be second to the antifungals. Grapefruit seed extract?

You could do that. Like there's one I get on Amazon for my patients, Trigard, that one's good. Okay. But you can take like, time oil, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, you can put it in with saline and make your own spray. You can do different things.

The thing with antifungals is they're super resistant. So they, you build up a tolerance to them and then you have to move on to something else. You have to keep tricking them. So that's why this can be like a year long event. If you have a lot of mold in the body, but you, you have to do systemic treating and then also nasal. So I do them together. We didn't do the nasal one. So I got to get the nasal stuff done.

Yeah, but the thing is, is that with certain people, sometimes like I realized it's so young, like he got out of there and it was like, remember when we started the antifungals with him and he was like having a very bad reaction. I'm like, that's how I knew you guys had mold. I was like, remember when we started the antifungals with him and he was like having a very bad reaction. I'm like, that's how I knew you guys had mold. I'm like, you can't take antifungals when you live in mold because then you're gonna feel really bad. Yeah, poor kid. He was like, he was unbearable.

It was just terrible. It was too much on his body. So I'm like, okay, stop. Let's test the house for mold. We found out the issue. And then for him, because he's young, it just kind of goes. Oh, he's got no gut issues anymore. Yeah.

And sometimes you don't have to go through all this. But a lot of people, they're reacting to a mold issue because they've already been exposed to a mold issue when they were younger and they didn't know. And then it makes them more reactive the next time. So then you have to start treating it. And it's really good if you know you have mold in your house and you get out of your house, that's a really good time to do a test on your body.

Because sometimes it's just gone and sometimes it's not. And then you'll know, okay, do I need to work on this or not? But a lot of the times you do. Well, all right. Well, thank you for scaring the hell out of me. Yeah. I'm glad we didn't talk about lice or bed bugs. One thing at a time.

Wait, something really big is when you crave a lot of sugar too. Oh, interesting. Because sugar feeds mold and yeast. Bro, there's a lot of these for you, right? Sensitive to smells, skin stuff, allergies. If you're craving sugar, your body wants that to grow. It wants to feed the yeast. It wants to feed the mold so that it's going to tell you to craving sugar, your body wants that to grow. It wants to feed the yeast. It wants to feed the mold so that it's gonna tell you

to eat sugar. So if you have really weird sugar cravings. Wow. All right, well thanks for having me. We can do it. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, Becky. You're welcome.

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