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Episode Date: May 17, 2024

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It's a process, it's a journey. That's the only way you'll get there. Again, if you just wanna lose weight, don't worry about it. There are shortcuts, but you'll gain the weight back, you won't be happy. Do it the right way, take some time, in fact. Don't take the easy path. Yes, yes.

I was thinking, this conversation's coming up because, well, it's always a conversation or space, right? And I saw someone do a post, it's like, there's no shortcuts or whatever. And I said, you know, we gotta get better at communicating that because there are shortcuts to losing weight quickly or you starve yourself, right? Or building muscle or just changing the way you look.

There are quote unquote shortcuts, but you'll gain the weight back, you'll lose the gains. You won't feel good. You won't feel confident in it. It won't feel like it's a new life in the sense that you're relaxed into it. Doing it the right way means it's a process of learning and growing, not just applying techniques,

not just changing your diet, but rather growing along with that process so that it becomes you become a new you. You don't just look physically different, but you are a different person. That's the only way to do this to where it sticks with you forever. This is something that you don't have to struggle with for the rest of your life. That's a great selling point, I think. I think it's like, how would you like to get in shape

and never have to struggle with it anymore? Isn't that, doesn't that sound awesome? Well, here's how we do it. And it takes time, no shortcuts. Do you think in our lifetime, we're gonna see like a tool that will give you like real time feedback on if you're staying the course, if you're on like the right track as far as

doing what's metabolically healthy for you, uh, like, cause I, here's where it gets, where it gets challenging is I, sometimes I don't think people will necessarily. I don't think they think they're taking a shortcut. Like, I don't, I don't think, uh, when they crash diet and over train, like they're thinking they're shortcutting it at all. In fact, if it's a real hyper focused concentrated effort, but it might not be, you know, what's appropriate. Yeah. I mean, I know, I know what you're alluding to by talking about shortcuts, but I think a lot of like the failure in the, the diet world and exercise world is just failed application

and an over application, right? Like the over usage of intensity, the over usage of calorie restriction. I think that more often than not, it has more to do with that than it has like somebody like, oh, this isn't gonna be quick. Now not to say there's not those people, because there's absolutely people that are like,

give me the quick fix. And I had those clients, right? I don't care how I get there, Adam, just give me there as fast as possible. So there absolutely is people searching for the quick fix. Cause I, and I had those clients, right? I don't care how I get there, Adam, just give me there as fast as possible. So there absolutely is people searching for the quick fix, but I do believe that a lot of the failed attempts have more to do with just the wrong application or the wrong process.

I think people, they know there's a right way and it takes longer and it takes behavior change and there's no shortcuts. I think people know that if you were to ask them, they'd say, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But I think the hard part or the part that they don't necessarily understand is that doing it, like, because how many times have you heard this? I'll figure that out once I get there.

Say, oh yeah, I know that there's a way to do this to where it's sustainable. I know that there's a way to do this to where it's sustainable. I know that there's a way to do this that's the quote unquote right way. But once I lose the weight, then we can talk about this. And that's the part that I'm trying to communicate is that isn't the, there is no other way. There literally is no other way to get where I'm talking about, except for the way that I'm, the path, the right journey. There is only one way to get where I'm talking about, except for the way that I'm, the path, the right journey,

there is only one way to get there. You're not trading speed for difficulty or anything like that. It's like literally, you wanna get to this place. If your destination is look better, feel better, be more healthy, be confident in it, and relaxed in it to where it feels like this is how I live and this feels good. There's only one way to get there. That's the point that I'm trying

to make and that the other paths, the other paths don't even lead there. Forget how fast you get there or not. They just don't even lead to that same destination. They lead to other destinations is the point that I'm making. Okay, stay with me on this, but this is a Lightning McQueen reference. Okay. Okay. So he's going around and decides to stay out on the track when in fact he should have gone in and pitted multiple times to reinforce his tires, to tune it up, to make sure he's got enough gas. That's actually what happened at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Like he makes it to the finish line, busted up and broken and to the point where it's like He can't do another race and I don't know in terms of like a visualized like the first thing come to mind it's like people are so my apically focused on this like destination goal and

Achieving this thing and they're not like picking up on all these other signals that like once I get there You know, there's all these other challenges that I'm gonna have to face that I didn't anticipate because I didn't you know studiously go through this and Listen to a lot of these signals. Well, I I think it's and that's where I lean like I think it's less people trying to take a shortcut and I actually don't think they believe you you may make a really smart Scientific case out on this is the way. This is the only way. This is the right way. It's a healthy way. Let me break it all down for you. And they can't get past, well, yeah, but I, in the back of my head, and they're not saying this to you, but their cousin, Susan,

she dropped 30 pounds in a month. I saw it with my own eyes. So you can tell me all the science you want. I believe experience. Yeah. So at least that's how I felt my career communicating the right way. The science is I don't think it's like my clients or people were going like, Oh, I just want the shortcut Adam. I think it's more like in their head. They don't believe me. They still believe there's another way or a better way or the way they want to go because they have a said person in their life that they've seen firsthand do this

and they want to do that. That's why we have to communicate this. They've created the expectation already in their mind. And that's why it's so important. I mean, look, the data on this, I mean, it's all the same. About 90% of the people that lose weight, not even talking about all the nuances of health and fitness, just lose weight.

90% of it came back within, I think, a year or two. And I would bet that if you stretch it out long enough, it's closer to 95%. So what that means is, and this is where I think people go wrong, they think they're the special case, they're the magic case. But the reality is I think that 10% that stick to it are doing it the way I think people go wrong. They think they're the special case, they're the magic case. But the reality is I think that 10% that stick to it are doing it the way I'm talking about. I think that's what it shows because 90% of people don't do it that way. 90% of the people do it the quote unquote shortcut way.

And so you're a hundred percent odds are you're going to fall back. It's not going to stick. 100% odds are you're going to fall back. It's not going to stick. Look, if you took someone who it took them 10 years to let's say become a black belt and a martial art, if you could snap your fingers and give someone all those skills that it took that person in 10 years, so now you know as much as they do instantly, they still are not the same person. No. They're still not the same. Yeah, you know the moves, but the process of learning, there are things within that that shape and mold you as a human that you can't replace. You can't replace that. I use that analogy with

business, finance, money. It's the same thing. You could give somebody 10 million dollars overnight and they're just as wealthy as the guy who took 40 years of his life to build 10 million dollars And then technically their net worth is the same, but they're completely different. You're going to mismanage it. The person that had to build to work to that. To build the skills. Their skills and behaviors that have to be accomplished in that time to acquire that kind of worth or that net worth. The person who just got handed to overnight, regardless of the fact that they had

the same exact buying power for that day, they're not the same person. No, Doug, maybe you could look up, what's the percentage of lottery winners that go bankrupt? That's pretty interesting. I mean, these are people who win millions of dollars. It's the same as the biggest loser numbers. It's almost identical to those.

It's like 70% or high 60s. Yeah, one third will go bankrupt within three to five years. One third in three to five years. And these are millionaires. Yeah. If you follow them longer, it gets higher too. Like millionaires. It's the same stats. It's like, it's literally, that's why it's such a great analogy because it's, it runs parallel to obese people that lose a hundred pounds. The ones that do it the biggest loser style that, you know,

bootcamp it for three or four months and diet, extreme diet, their success rate is extremely low. And honestly, the only ones that are successful, let's say that it's because they finally figured out the right way during that time. They got lucky enough. Somebody finally came across and listened, you need to build muscle. You need to build a metabolism and a light bulb went off and then they fix it. It's not because they mean they continued going down that same path that got them there

because that's unsustainable. That's a losing battle no matter what. And by the way, part of it too, I think, this is another factor here. When you're not fit, unhealthy, overweight, whatever, you ignore it for a while. Okay. You ignore it for a while, but then something happens.

Maybe it's January, you know, it's the first of January, or maybe you see a picture of yourself or something happens, right? You go, you know, it's the first of January, or maybe you see a picture of yourself or something happens, right? You go play with your kids, you're out of breath. And then you become hyper aware of the fact that man, I'm overweight or I don't like the way I look or whatever. And then it's a rush to get out of that uncomfortable feeling. That's a lot of times it happens.

It's like, okay, now I finally made the decision. It's like panic, yeah. I need, oh, now that I've made the decision to lose 50 pounds and now I'm facing it head on, I can't wait to get this off me. It's got to get off me as fast as possible. That's the other part. Got to make up for lost time. Yes. It's like this, yeah, insane urgency. And that's why, like, the whole self-acceptance movement went so backwards, right? Self-acceptance

is not, I'm, you know, I don't need to change anything. There's no improving me. I'm great if you think I need to improve or if I think I need to improve, I'm hating myself. No, no, no, no. Self-acceptance is self-compassion. I care about myself the way I am. I'm not perfect and I'm going to pursue caring for myself in better ways. Then what happens is you're not like, Oh my God, get me out of this body as fast as possible.

I'll do anything. Cause it's just feel feel it's more like okay Let's do this in a compassionate way like I wouldn't do that to a kid like I wouldn't do that to my kid like oh Oh now that you're ready to lose weight. Let's get this off as fast possible beat you up. I'd be like listen Let's do this the right way Let's make sure that this sticks that you feel good throughout this entire process That's how we have to treat ourselves I've caught Justin doing that in the bathroom, in the mirror, saying those positive affirmations

as he rubs Caldera on his face. You deserve this. You're so beautiful. Take care of your skin. Just own it. Just let it radiate. I'm doing this because I love myself. He's speaking the truth, dude.

You got to do those affirmations. That's the only way to get him to do it. You know what I'm saying? I can't get him to be consistent in his own way. Nobody else is going to pump me up here. Real quick, real quick, listen, that, by the way, for people who don't know, there's an inside joke there. I literally one time was in the bathroom. He did not know I was in the bathroom.

He comes in and I know, cause I can see his shoes and he goes, they don't even know. They don't even know. They don't even know. I'm like, that's how the shirt was born. The T-shirt, the T-shirt was born. They don't even know. They don't even know. They don't even know. They're like, that's it? And he's like, uh? That's how the shirt was born. The t-shirt, the t-shirt was born. They don't even know.

They don't even know. We must have. It's all jacked, right? Yeah. We must have pissed them off for something. You guys are those motherfuckers. I've decided that's what he does when he puts the caldera on too, because it's like, he's like begrudgingly putting this on his frickin' man cream.

I'm gonna put this man cream on my... I have to do it in isolation, because this is not like a bonding dude experience. Hey, listen, speaking of success or whatever, 90, over 90%, so they've funded studies, I've talked about this before, they've funded studies on their face oil. Over 90% of the participants saw improvements across the board in their studies,

in terms of fine lines, wrinkles, dryness, oiliness, blemishes, even the other, that's crazy, you don't see that with- Well we have, we work with what, 20 plus companies or so that we've worked definitely more than that over the course of the podcast that we've had. And I've never had somebody message me about not being happy with it. And that's rare, obviously you do as much volume as we do

with as many partners as you do. You're gonna get one. Yeah, you get, there's always somebody who I feel like is unhappy. Caldera is actually one of the brands that I've never had somebody message me that has used the product and has not been happy with it. And it's like, and that speaks volumes considering it.

It's not a cheap product. It's an expensive product for what you get, even though it lasts a long time, but it's well made, well done, and you never get anybody who's ever complaining about it. Hey, we were talking earlier about obesity and whatever. I saw something on social media, Doug, I just sent it to you,

if you could post it up on the TV. Men's Health is portraying this like male fitness trainer, calling him like the, I don't know if they're calling him fitness trainer of the year, something like that, right? Maybe, Doug, you can pull it up and it's, it started, it started a bunch of controversy and I got on there and had to comment because people are going crazy in either direction.

So this is the guy it's, this is a men's health, scroll down Doug, so you can see what he looks like. Okay. So this guy is a trainer in men's health and it says, and he put a post, he said, I love watching fragile gym bros, scroll down, please. I love watching fragile gym bros lose their mind when they find out I'm in men's health magazine

as a plus size personal trainer. So as you can, as you can- That's a thing? Like, yeah. Why does he have his shirt off? So we have plus size models now they've made it into personal training? Yeah, apparently.

So of course the comments are super polarized on one end. Oh, good for him. He's fit. He, you know, he's working out. He's trying to the hands like you can't be fat and be a trainer. This is terrible. What the hell's going on here? They're trying to make obesity, you know, healthy when it's not type of deal.

You know, my take on this is I love your guys's, this is like the first, uh, male version of this, I think. Yes. I've noticed. Yeah. Cause I mean, this is a big push with females. By the way, I don't know this guy. I don't know anything about him.

Okay. I just look at the picture. I've seen overweight, like at this body fat percentage men who have a lot of muscle and they look different. Yeah. He doesn't, he looks like he's just overweight. I don't know the guy or whatever, but he just looks like that. So here's my, my take on this.

First off, you could be an overweight trainer and have tons of knowledge and be an excellent coach. The problem is this. One of the biggest hurdles, uh, when you're a trainer or a coach is getting your client to trust you. That's one of the biggest hurdles. And when you appear to be a hypocrite, which means you don't look or talk or walk the part,

you've just made that hurdle so much bigger. So if you're trying to talk to a client about being fit and healthy, by the way, there's a lot of ripped trainers that are very unhealthy too. I want to be very clear. Yeah, I see that you wrote that in your post. Yes.

I think you made that very clear. Yes. Which we've talked about. I'm trying to find, I want to find his actual page. It said, his, his, his name is raw egg nationalist. Is that what? What does that mean? Raw egg nationalist?

Did you see that? No, no, no, no. That's somebody. What are you talking about? Yeah, somebody else who is posting. Oh, that was someone else. His name is Roy Belzer fitness. So R-O-Y B-E-L-Z-E-RR Fitness. Roy Belzer. Belzer B-E-L. Z-E-R and then fitness. Belzer. Yeah. Okay, okay, I got them now. But yeah, you know, if you're trying to

train people and you, you know, the appearance is that you don't practice what you preach. Yeah. It's much harder to get them to trust you. That's been my experience with trainers, you know who've worked with me So well, I mean especially if their desired outcome is to lose weight be healthy and fit like I see some grace with I guess sports coaches for like just drilling and very specific skill development because they have a knowledge base that is way specific skill development because they have a knowledge base that is way, you know, they have way more of an acumen there than most. But even then it's like, come on, take care of yourself.

But still, I mean, I think if that is like your desired outcome is to train people and to acquire these clients based off of what you say and what you want them to apply, you know, I would hope that you're doing the same. And that's just like a common sense thing. Yeah, and maybe you are. Maybe you are. Maybe you've lost a lot of weight. Maybe this guy was 500 pounds,

now he's down to 250 pounds or whatever. Yeah, in that case, I think that's a different thing. But again, a client, they already think, if they think you're a hypocrite, it's gonna be impossible to get them to follow your advice and to work with them. It's going to be very, very difficult. So that was my whole argument around this. Cause I had a trainer once, I actually had a guy that worked for me who I recruited

him from, believe it or not, of all places, Footlocker. So I went in there, this dude was selling me shoes, super personable, great guy. And then we started talking. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, I manage the gym down the street. And he goes, man, I just lost 80. And then we started talking. He's like, what do you do? I'm like, oh, I manage a gym down the street. And he goes, man, I just lost 80 pounds. And we started talking and I'm like, bro, that's an amazing story.

And he's like, yeah, I'm thinking about becoming a trainer one day, but I need to lose another 20. He still had a little bit of weight to lose. I said, you could become a trainer right now. He got certified and worked for me and he did amazing and he continued to get more fit as you work, but he did great because he was able

to connect with, with, with people who were on that journey. That's the majority of my issues. Like if, if there isn't any perpetual like improvement, like they're not, um, you know, recognizing that they're still working on themselves too. It's like, you know, I'm just accepting the fact that like, you know, this is my body. I'm happy. Uh, versus like, you know, trying to exemplify health. I mean, there was a reason why we chose not to go

the shirtless before and afters, because I think that either, no matter what, regardless of if you're ripped or you look like him. That's not the metric to pick the wrong. It's just, I think, I find it a bit ironic that that's the person who's still using that same, you're using the same angle. Yes. You're using the same look. It's how, I think, I find it a bit ironic that that's the person who's still using that same, you're using the same angle. Yes.

You're using the same, it's just become, that's now become popular that there's a group of people that are gonna. Good point. He's still using the look at me angle. So it's a whole thing. It's like, there's no need for you to even present it like that. Like, you don't have to take your,

like I went down to Instagram too, he's got a ton of shirtless and thong underwear stuff. Yeah, no, it's like, and he's like a mobility guy, right? So he shows, he's like, he's got pretty good hip mobility for as big as he is and stuff like that. And I didn't see him lift any weights or anything like that. He does, he can do a pirouette on the BOSU ball. And, but it's same, he's using the same tactics. You know, as the, by the way, these men's health and stuff doing this, they're 100% doing this for

the outrage and the clicks. Such an annoying formula. It's a brilliant strategy on their part. I mean, it gets people talking and I mean, listen, it just shows you how desperate these magazines are because they're dead. Nobody cares about that. That entire, so it's like, they're just grasping for anything, anything they can get ahold of that will create controversy conversation. Uh, and so, and they're just playing right into these, these people and this concept of like, okay, you're right.

Like, you know, the way you look doesn't matter. So then don't post it. So don't make it about that. Exactly. So, so ironic that that that's your angle, but then yet you're right. Like, you know, the way you look doesn't matter. So then don't post it. So don't make it about that. Exactly. Yeah. So ironic that that's your angle, but then yet you're still, you're no different than the bro you're making fun of

who walks around with no shirt on, and you know, gets a massive pump and waters himself down before his photos. Weird virtue signaling points, you know, it's in today's environment. It's a very strange environment. I imagine being the poor kid though who's trying to figure it out through all this. I don't know what to believe.

I don't know if I want a belly. I don't know. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Dad bods. Look, I'm fit already. So silly, but I agree too. Like, I mean, I think, uh, I definitely think the message is about, should be out strength and building muscle and getting stronger and being confident. And just because again, again, I also saw the distraction and I did make that comment. Like there's a lot,

there's a ton of ripped trainers and influencers who looked apart, but they're unhealthy. They're just as dysfunctional as different dysfunction. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's the, it's just different. But it's the, it's, it's nonetheless. Speaking of fitness, did you guys look into that Equinox $40,000 a year? I did. I like it. Did you see what they're doing? I did. I like it. I think it's a really-

Isn't all longevity treatment stuff? Bro, it's brilliant. It is brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant. And they're the right gym to do it, right? already they already appeal to like a you know a more expensive clientele and so You know, I think it's smart. I think it's smart and I think that we are moving into this time I think we're seeing this when the anti-aging boom right that we see we see with peptides you see all the stuff

I mean, it's you have all these companies now that have all these preventative like It's you have all these companies now that have all these preventative like tests that you can take to look for potential cancers and they're all expensive, right? It costs thousands of dollars to do some of these tests. And, and I do think that we're moving in this direction of preventative medicine and you're going to have to dictate these. And then, so yeah, so they, you know, why a big, a big part of it is,

of course people want to, you know, prevent these things from happening. But the other part is as expensive as they are, they're cheaper than actually getting a chronic disease. Sure. You know, so like, you know, you spend 40 grand a year really optimizing your health. You know how expensive it is if you get Alzheimer's or diabetes or just from a productivity standpoint,

but even the cost of your healthcare and then the cost on the quality of your life. So it makes perfect sense. And I know, I mean, when I read this, I know a lot of people are like, oh my God, 40 grand a year, who would pay that? A lot of people. A lot of people. This is what it comes with.

You get, first off, they do this huge diagnostic test that tests like a hundred different data points. You get a, so it's 40 grand a year, you get a trainer, a massage therapist, somebody that works with you nutrition and they test you twice a year with these big tests that they do. They also have some other weekly stuff that was going on there.

They outsource some of the, it's a company that they hired that outsources some of the, basically they're gonna have, basically you would have your own, what it's brilliant about, and I think this is why it's so smart, is in extreme sports, in extreme sports, we see this kind of fringe stuff always hit first because they're obviously, they're multimillion dollar athletes. And so it makes sense to take chances and spend millions of dollars with cutting edge science. But after that science starts to prove, and you see people like the LeBron James,

who's playing 20 years in his career, and looks like people, he looks like a 20 year old still out there playing. Like that starts to raise a lot of eyebrows. People go like, what is he doing? Maybe I can't afford a million dollars a year, but 40,000 and I could get a lot of the treatments and the things and connections to the, all the therapies and stuff he's doing. Like, yeah, you better believe there's going to be people that are going to be interested. I mean, when we were down in the stem cell thing, I was blown away by the amount of people that were, and then we were surrounded around athletes and famous people and so like that, but there was a lot of normal people that were in there.

It is not inexpensive. And we had clients that spent that much on us. We had clients that spent 40 grand a year. Oh, a year, yeah. I had clients that would work with me, you know, twice a week. They'd get a massage therapist once a week, which was in my studio. They'd work with, uh, the gut health specialist once a week. I mean, you add up all those sessions that were personal chef, like making them. I mean, it sounds really crazy, but again,

why I use the analogy of like LeBron James, like obviously that guy, uh, if he, if he extended his career by five years, he got an extra, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars more in his pocket. I mean, bring that down to the CEO level or the person who's a high performer or has to go do huge presentations and does sales and does stuff like that. And it's like, man, if, if 40 K investment into your health gets you 15% return on a better version of yourself and your business. I mean, it pays for itself. Well, and really again, when you look at chronic disease, once you get these chronic illnesses, it's very hard and sometimes impossible to reverse them. Sometimes all you could do is

stop the progression or at best, many times it's slow the progression down. But when you get this chronic disease, the only way you could have solved it or cured it is if you had a time machine. If you could go back in time, five years or 10 years or 15 years, and then change the trajectory of your life. And then when you get these chronic, it's like, you know, I have people in my family, or I know people like this, you ask them. I remember my, my grandfather telling me, he said, you know, he goes, when you get old and you start to experience certain things, like you would give all your money to get rid of, you know, just back pain, you know, chronic back pain where you can't more or five healthier years or five healthier years, or, you

know, I had, I had too hard a time. I, you know, I know somebody had to have differently. Yeah. I wouldn't be so prone to dementia. That's something that ran through my family. And it's like, yeah, then when you think like that, switching and adjusting lifestyle things could have such a bigger impact. We're going to see it though. It's interesting because we're in this interesting generational gap here or whatever you want to call it. It's becoming more and more popular.

And it's like, imagine when you have two or three generations where there's very controlled groups of like, these people did nothing. These people did something. Yeah. Crazier split. And then it's game over. Then it becomes adopted. Then it becomes put in schools. Then it becomes like, because right now we're still in the testing grounds and obviously we're in, we're in the thick of it. We're in the space.

And so we get a little bit of, I think, a more of a front hunt front, a front row seat to what's happening, but just wait, just wait until we can, I mean, it's like when I talked to Dr. Cahn about the stem cell stuff and it's like a lot of the stuff he can't even talk about and promote because it's in still such early stages, but the things that he's seeing positively around cancer and all these things that the stem cells are helping. It's like, dude, imagine when we have these people that did this stem cell, spent this crazy money

on stem cells, and we follow them out 40 years, and then we have their peers who didn't do any of that stuff and watch the difference. You know, speaking of cancer, besides not smoking, the best thing, you ever talk to a cancer specialist, what's the best thing you can do to not get cancer? Don't smoke, right? But in terms of things you can do, strength training by itself, you don't have to be a bodybuilder, you don't have to do anything like you lift weights a

couple of days a week. You will, you will drop your, your chances of getting cancer across the board by a fourth, you will reduce your, it doesn't mean you change nothing else. You could change nothing else. You could still, you know, you sleep, whatever you don't eat, or you eat bad, you, you know, whatever, if you just lift weights, you will drop your odds of getting all cancers across the board by about 25% just from strength training alone. So it's like, yeah, dude, it's, it's, and you know, here's the beauty too, by the

way, here's the selling point. You're not, when you really figure this out, you're not sacrificing time now for time in the future. So you're not saying to yourself, cause I think people think about this way, like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really, I'm really hating life now. That way I could live a better life when I'm older. No, no, when you do this, right. It makes now better too. It makes now better. It makes tomorrow better and it makes 10 years from now better. So it's like no trade off.

It just makes everything better across the board. We just haven't done a good job of selling, I say we as the fitness space, because I feel like we have done a good job selling it. Learn how to enjoy healthier habits, like healthier decisions. Speaking of that, you guys excited about Vegas? Yeah.

Speaking of healthy habits. Totally goes in line with healthy habits. Hi, thanks. I'm psyched, dude. Are you guys excited? I'm psyched. I'm really excited. I'm psyched.

You know what we always hear from people? It'd be a nice change of pace. You know what we always hear? I always hear this from people. When they meet us at these live, we haven't had one in a long time. We had one recently here. For trainers.

Yeah, just for trainers. We get this all the time. You guys are a lot taller in person. Do we look short on camera? We're sitting down all the time. A little slunch. Yeah, but I mean. We get this all the time. You guys are a lot taller in person. Do we look short on camera? We're sitting down all the time. Little slinch. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. Do we look, you know what's funny?

You know who looks short but is super tall? Conan O'Brien. Oh yeah, he's huge. He's a giant. Are we like that? Do we look small? Is Conan O'Brien really tall? He's like six, seven, right?

No, he's not that tall. Six, five? Is he really? Look up in the sky. I didn't know he was that tall. He might you might be right He's big dude. You're six four Three inches off Still he's tall I mean he's tall to your point he's tall we must maybe it's his hair it gave him an extra three inches

Well, I'm bad about I like slouch in my chair to all time I come all by time the podcast over I'm like this I know I just promote that though. Yeah half the time like you slide down. Yeah people have no idea. You're actually five With heels with I'm excited dude. I'm excited for this event Bellagio to we're gonna meet listeners and fans We haven't done that in a long time. Simultaneously, simultaneously there is going to be a peptide convention that Dr. Seeds and his team is, is holding. I'll be speaking at it. It's supposed to be over 500 doctors that are going to be there.

We saw, you know, Dr. Tina is going to be there for sure. I believe, uh, Dr. Gabriel Lyons confirmed she's going to be out there. Max is coming out. I was just talking to, uh, Jordan shallow about him coming out and Jordan science. I'm trying to get some of all of our buddies. I mean, Vegas is such a great place. confirmed she's going to be out there. Max was just talking to Jordan shallow about him coming out and Jordan science. I'm trying to get some of all of our buddies.

They, I mean, Vegas is such a great place to convince everybody to come hang out with me. It's like, I wanted to go in it for the good time. Yeah. And, and if you attend the event, so it's mind pump live.com, you can sign up and then we're going to do a raffle and five of the ticket owners are going to watch Justin perform at the thunder from down under. Is that the one that you're and five of the ticket owners are going to watch Justin perform at the thunder from down under. Is that the one that you're? You know, I didn't know this. He's got a hell of a thunder.

We can't handle this thunder. You know what I'm saying? No, but we should have tickets available in this area. Yeah. Yeah. This is when does this episode go out, Doug? Is it what we can do? Yeah. May 16th. Okay.

Justin does the thunder clap. That's actually almost exactly one month, right? One month out. Yeah. One month out. Yeah, one month out. Awesome. But yeah, it'd be really cool because, I mean, I don't know how many people will also be going to Dr. Seed's event, but I'm excited even for that too.

I just think that- Bro, so I'm speaking at it, right? So I was thinking about, so I don't get nervous for speaking to crowds until the day before. And then I get really nervous. So I can talk to a camera all day, it doesn't bother me. Put me in front of a crowd and I can start to get, so I was thinking about last night

in bed, like I'm going to be speaking to 500, most of them doctors. Yeah, doctors. So I think that makes me less nervous, to be honest with you. Less nervous than talking to your peers, trainers? No, trainers, I feel never nervous because that's our peer. I've been talking to groups of trainers forever. But like everyday people, I think makes me a little more nervous than speaking to doctors. I don't know.

Maybe. Yeah, if I had to rank me personally, I'd say doctors would make me the most nervous than just regular people. Trainers is like, I feel so at home talking to trainers. Well, you've been doing it forever, bro. You manage trainers for decades. So that's, yeah, that feels so at home.

Yeah. Well, I am gonna be speaking about strength training and communicating it to doctors. I trained doctors for so long that I got really comfortable communicating in that style, that fashion. So that might be part of it. And that's also, you know, far out. Like when I get closer, I'm sure I'd be hella nervous. So who knows?

But last time I was thinking about it, I was all psyched about it. I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen. You're the best one to talk to him. That's for sure. I know what's going to happen. Yeah, yeah, I know. I get all nervous. I know. I'm like, I don't know what's gonna happen. You're the best one to talk to him. I know what's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, I know. I get all nervous.

I know. Hey dudes. Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine? Yeah, yeah. You guys wanna get jacked like me? Is that what, okay, so of all the things that we have to do here, right?

So what are each of your least favorite things that you guys have to do still? I think we've done a really good job of the business. Yeah, we all do. We all siphoned it off. Yeah, we've really. Well, you know why though. I mean, what's the key behind that, right?

You're just gonna suck at doing shit you don't like. So why would we want any of us to do shit we suck at? You're good at some things, you're good at some things, I'm good at some things, like, why would you want me to do the shit you're good at when you're better? But is there anything, is there anything left that you're like, ah, I don't like?

I mean, we still drag you in meetings that you don't like to be in. Yeah, no, that's hard, Brian. I'm embarrassed about that. I am, I swear to God, I'm embarrassed because I'll sit in a meeting. I try and shame you out of it. That's my way.

Yeah, I throw a... Like publicly shame him whenever, maybe he'll start to like, shame, wake up. It's not that I hate meetings. It's that it's so hard for me to sit still in a meeting. Just gets so bored meeting it does this weird thing to me where I either get extremely distracted or I start to fall asleep or whatever and I feel rude and I'm like it's in this it reminds me

being in school yeah if I was in school it's so me and you would have gotten trouble all the time oh I'd be drawing things yeah showing you it's so interesting to me though, because you guys are both, and you two are very much so competitive about the business and the success of it and the growth and all this stuff. Well, we trust you, bro. We trust you.

We trust you. You're high levels of trust and respect for each department. When I'm on a podcast, are you at home sweating? Like, oh, what if Sal says something? You're relaxed, chilling, right? That's how I am. So we're blessed that we have each other that I could just chill and-

So there's nothing left? There's nothing left in the business? There's gotta be something that you're like, eh. Speaking in front of crowds makes me nervous often, but I wanna get better at it. I wanna get better at it. I wanna be as comfortable as I am in front of the camera when I talk to a crowd.

Yeah, I find that interesting to you. Because I'm reversed. I hate that even more. I hate that even more. The camera? Yeah, yeah. Put me, I would probably say I would do less. I know, you're always so bad when we have to do like,

you're being rude. Especially if it's creative. And it's like, ugh, tell me what to do. I do not. You can't tell him that. I do not like. You're the one doing it in creative. I don't like, that. I do not like. You just want to do an anchor. I don't like, yeah.

I don't like doing the, you know what? It's just something about staring at a camera, pretending that there's millions of people. I'd much rather them be in front of me and deal with the real nerves than being in front of me. I think I'm more comfortable with those nerves than the pretend nerves. I don't know what you call that.

You should dress one up as a robot. Maybe that'd make a difference. Yeah, put like talking to someone. Put like four or five things in front of it. Yeah. up as a robot. Maybe that'd make a difference. Yeah, put like, talk into something. Put a thing in front of it? Yeah. No, when I put a camera on me, I could just turn it on. It's not a problem.

It was like that from day one when we shot the commercial for Maps Anabolic. That's where you're a front man. I remember he turned the camera on and I felt it, and I went, whoa, I like this. This is so good. Somebody's listening to me. This feels good.

No, I already had that. Can I watch the video again? What about you, Justin? Is there anything left that you don't like? You're still listening to me. Oh, yeah, I already had that. Can I watch the video again? What about you, Justin? Is there anything left that you don't like? You're saying, oh, yeah, I don't like, I don't like speak. I don't like speaking in front of crowds like seriously. I remember I'm enjoying it more now because of repetition. It's just like the podcast.

The guy's so uncomfortable doing this. When we first started, it was insane. Yeah. Insane. But, you know, over time it's like, OK, this feels natural. I'm just having a conversation with my buddies. Not a big deal. That's sort of kind of coming into the public speaking. Does the live event still feel that way for you?

Or do you still get a little, ugh? Actually, it's been a lot better. Like not as many nerves and when I should insert myself and all that kind of stuff. But I still just, if if I'm gonna perform, I like to perform in goof, you know, or like do some kind of musical thing, right? So that's like my home base that I never get to do.

And so it's like one of those things, you know, eventually it'll make sense for some project that comes up like, oh, hey, you know, go act the fool and do that. And I'm like, okay, cool. Like, I love doing that. But you remember when we serious sucks remember when we used to have interviews early on and like Justin's like humor like didn't land because

People don't such a hard learning curve for me Joke They don't know us very well or they would hear it Would be like a hot they go, what did you huh? What the fuck did you just say? Hey, you know what? There was a point though, though. There was a point where we were having fun.

I'm not going to say who it was. If you're an OG, you'll probably remember this. But we would have guests on. This is back in the early days when we had guests on. And we weren't as picky as we are now, right? Because we'd have a guest on because they have a following or something. And then they'd say some stupid shit

that all of us are like, huh? But we weren't confident enough to confront them. It would be after the episode, be like, oh, I should have said something. I would have. Yeah, we'd just give each other looks. Yeah, yeah. So just that I came up with a code or something

where we would make animal sounds. Animal noises. Yeah, like, brr. Yeah, real low though. Real low while the person says it. Then they would look at us like. It's there back in the old episodes. You can hear it.

And we're like, this guy's full of shit. Brrr. Yeah. Yeah. Those are like little Easter eggs in the podcats or whatever. 100%. What about you, Doug?

Is there anything in the business left that you don't like? It's usually around the financial aspect of things. Like the thing that you do? I know the thing. Well, it's the thing I do. We're all like, yeah, we're good. We do everything we like. It's the thing I do, yeah. The main that you do The day-to-day stuff isn't a problem Hey, no, I do it because it has to be done, right? No, I'm done.

No, no, no, no. Sorry, that was really good, right? No, I mean, every year, of course, you know, there's all these transactions that we have to go find out who spent what on what. And it takes days sometimes to go track down all these various transactions. And to me, that's not enjoyable at all. But I just numb myself to it. You're in a situation, though, where out of the four of us,

you have to do it. I have to do it, because I'm the only qualified one. Well, yeah, and admittedly, you also are very protective of a lot of our financials and numbers and so that too. So it's an area that you. We'll find out one day he's in Bezal- he's in Bezal-

Which is why, right? You've got so much goddamn money because you can scrape the top of this. You're a Bezal-er. I mean, that's why, right? I mean, there's a part of you that doesn't want to outsource it because- No, I mean, I feel like there's some things

that you just can't outsource. Yeah, you can outsource that. And I mean, we have like bookkeeper, accountant, all that stuff, but I still wanna have my finger on the pulse of the business, especially in the financial aspect. Yeah, no, you gotta do that. You and Adam both go through that.

We're thankful you do. You manage it mostly, but yeah, it's good. That's why we're stuck. That's why Doug and I pay ourselves more. Yeah, see? I knew it. Here's the deal. I trust, you guys notice, I trust you both of my kids,

but I also trust that there's a little, they're like, two of you guys on there No way Carmatic law Never get mad at both of us the same time you can piss one of us off When you guys aren't looking I have all the codes I go in there Yeah, right, but you couldn't log in The guy doesn't even know where his house is I Every like every third month or so I'm going to text him,

Hey, do we have a house out here, right? Don't we? It's always from south. Yeah. We have a property over here, don't we? Kentucky? No, I found the best part we don't. What do you hate doing that? You know, I like

traveling far away? No, I don't mind that. Like I do. I'm not excited about this flight. I'm about to get on right now. So I don't like stuff like that. I'm really particular about last minute flights out. So I'm not happy. So you're right. I'm not a fan of that. Um, yeah, I don't, there's not a lot that I don't like. Probably would. I don't like when we have to shoot, uh, staged content. I hate that. I hate, I make a face cause it's anything artificial, like, or yeah, staged. Yeah. But Adam has a face though. Can you tell? You could tell. Yeah. It does this like, it's a crooked smile. I talk out the side of my mouth.

I don't know how to do it. You sound like all of a sudden you get a southern accent. What? I swear to God, it's a little bit southern. It's because it comes out just from the sides. You know what? I'm talking about the side of my neck. That's what I feel like. You know what I'm saying?

Fucking talking about the side of my neck. I don't know. That's why I don't like it. So I get all squinty and I'm like, huh? Yeah. So there's parts like that. And I know Katrina, she's always like, you know, she's the one who probably talks the sense into me and just like, you know, you can't do everything you love There's some stuff there's some of this is work, you know, some of this stuff you just have to do

So they're paying you this much money to just save five minutes. Yeah, I so I'd say that's probably the only thing I don't like Everything else I really I so like we did what do we do recently those Viori commercials? We did Viori Yeah, we had to film. I hate that stuff. I know. Yeah. I know. If I got through it. Yeah. No, you know, it's, uh, her own little flavor. Okay, listen, it's, here's what's interesting about it. Cause I mean, I'm wearing Viori right now. You're wearing Viori. So it's not that I'm not, it's not even that, like, I don't think it's authentic cause I, I'm not faking it. I wear it.

Really half my wardrobe. Yeah. I. Yeah, I wear it every day. I love the brand, but this is normal. Like how we're talking about it right now. Not like, hey, say something nice. Yeah, it's like, but a lot of these brands, what they want is stuff outside the podcast, which is outside our normal day. So what people don't realize is that what we'll do

is we have to sit, this is how we make it comfortable. We sit like we're doing a podcast, and then I ask Adam a question like we're on a podcast. And then it comes out. Yeah, that's the only way to do it. Because otherwise, I can't, you know, and I know that the social media game is to be able to talk to the Instagram

and just do it that way, but it doesn't feel authentic. I wouldn't do it. Did I do the face or? Almost, dude, it's close. Fuck you, Justin. I just, it doesn't matter. It just is so hard for me. I have such an easier time,

you like saying some real stuff to somebody that is really hard to probably communicate with other people. I could say, I could be real direct. That's because you're real. You're not, it feels, I think, it feels like acting. That's, you know what?

I do feel like that because, I'll get questions, especially from Kriishan, I cannot believe you said that. I said, why, it's the truth. I don't have a problem with the truth. Even if it's hard to hear for someone, or it's hard to say, or whatever, if I believe in my heart, it's the truth,

or I know it's the truth, because it's a fact, I don't have problems with it. You know, I have to say something. I gotta comment on this. So I've been researching this category of psychotherapy called parts therapy, where a lot of people will develop these different parts of themselves and it becomes a problem as they get older because they don't integrate them. So to give an example, you might develop a part of yourself that reacts to unpredictable environments. You grew up like this as a kid

or whatever. And so then as an adult, and it worked for you as a kid, but then as an adult, maybe you became people pleasing as a result. But then as an adult, it doesn't work and it's hard for you to integrate that with other parts of yourself. You're actually pretty damn integrated, I have to say. You are exactly the same. I've seen you talk to professionals. I've seen you talk to people that definitely wouldn't be considered professionals. I've seen you talk to young people, old people. You're the same across the board, which is why I think sometimes people are like,

oh, he's an asshole. You're not. You just don't change. You don't change. If I brought my grandmother in here, you would be almost exactly the same. You might not say as many bad words, but it's the same same same.

So it's interesting. It's interesting. That's a good thing, dude. I mean, I tie that all the way back to being kind of a poor kid growing up. And I've shared this before. When you're in high school, this is when that stuff really matters,

to fit in, right? Like when you get to high school, I'd say, and you know this, because you have boys and you have kids this age, right? Like getting in like, that's probably one of the toughest times for a kid is integrating into school and high school and fitting in and being popular

and all that stuff, right? And so, one, I bounced around in so many different schools. So I had to, I was like thrown in the fire every time. Like, oh, start over, meet new people, meet new friends. I had to do that. Two, we didn't have very much money. So like, even the stuff that I wore that looked like it was Nike, it was knockoff stuff, or I had cheap brands.

You know what's interesting? You could've gone the opposite direction. You could've changed your personality every time you moved. That's what most people do, you know that, right? People that move often will change, oh, I can reinvent myself, I can reinvent. But you instead went the opposite direction. I'm gonna be the same no matter where I go.

Right. And that's it. And then I just kinda doubled down on that, and I do feel like, I believe in people, right? I believe that the right people appreciate that. I mean, as I think that you appreciate that, that character is like, if we met each other in high school and cross paths, we would probably become friends

because then you'd be like, oh, I like this guy. He's real. Like he dresses weird, he's poor, but he's cool. You know what I'm saying? Like I could, I could, I could kick it with this dude. And that's kind of how I was like, and and I like ponies. I latched on to that Like you're just someone who tried to bully me probably Yeah, that's not what it started

I mean I tell you what that's just when people ask me the one thing I want to give to my son is is Confidence right I want to give him confidence in who he is, right? That's what I care about no matter what. It's like if he can have, if he gets that, like I feel like so many other things fall into place. If you're just secure and confident in who you are. And a part of that, I mean, take it to the religious side, Sal, is like, you know, I believe I'm unique. I believe that God made me a certain way and I'm special. I believe that. Yeah, you are. And I'm like, I know. And I wear that confidently that, hey, there's nobody else like me. There's

nobody else that can do me like me. And I think that has... So why do with someone else? That's right. Why try and be someone else? I just feel like that's been so bastardized like over the years of like like that our whole culture and environment It was kind of embracing that fact. It's like, you know, just be authentically yourself like in You know don't care about You know getting approval from everybody else and now all of a sudden it's you know Celebrated for you to become somebody else or celebrated for you to become somebody else, or celebrated for you to become something

everybody agrees upon. It's like, just be yourself, you know? Like, don't fucking care about everybody else. Or they distort it, and the message becomes, be yourself, you don't need to improve. That's different. Right. Like, being yourself doesn't mean you stay the same. You're not the same guy you were 10 years ago

when we first met. None of us are. Yeah. So that's what they've done is they've distorted. No, no, no, you don't need to change, just be yourself. Listen, you should always try and seek to be better, but the core of who you are, that's what we're talking about. And I think that's part of that, I think that was part of the formula, right,

that was baked into me is the personal growth and trying to be better, always trying to be a better version of myself. I've always been internally competitive, I'm so competitive, I'm more competitive with myself though than I am anybody else. And so that pursuit while staying true to who you are is the recipe for what some people think is the asshole. Right? So I think that's the, that's where it comes from. For sure.

We have a free guide. Add his recipe to become your asshole. Yeah. It's really funny. You're either really like, you're really appreciative. You're an asshole. You're really liked for it, or you're really not. It's just, and you have to be comfortable with it, too. Well, how can you possibly be liked by everybody

unless you change yourself for everybody to make them like you? How many? I don't want to be. So-called like true, like, they were all heretics back in the day. Anybody who was like presenting true facts, you know, that went against the grain were killed. It's like you became...

So it's not like a safe route to just be the person that's always going to say the true thing. Dude, speaking of which, I was watching this documentary on the evidence for a great flood. I didn't realize there was so much evidence for that. Like when they look at the Grand Canyon in sedimentary layers in the earth. You're getting to the younger dryus theory? Dude, all of it.

I don't know, you're like an expert on this. I was watching this and these guys, these archeologists were explaining, like look, it's more likely, so there's a valley that if you went to go see it right now, it's a canyon. It's a crazy looking canyon. It did not exist when I was born, but now it's this massive canyon. And if we had just saw it now, we'd say, oh my God, it must have taken this river

millions of years to create this. But we know Mount St. Helens exploded in 1980, I think it was. And the explosion and the ash and whatever created this canyon. And so these guys in this documentary, they had a bunch of experts and they were actually making this case and they're like, the

evidence actually shows. It was very rapid erosion. It was rapid. It wasn't millions of years. It was like something paddaclismic happened. And we see these sedimentary shelves and whatever that match all over the world. Yeah.

So it was worldwide. And water patterns too. So it's just like you can see on the micro scale, you see where like these little creeks when they dry up and they have that sort of fractal kind of branching off, right? And you see that if you're up in a helicopter and you look at that on the macro scale and some of these valleys, you can see that same water pattering, but just way bigger. Yeah, and it's like evidence for that.

There was a worldwide massive cataclysmic flood at one point that created these consistencies on all over the world. It's crazy. I know. It's so fun to listen to you talk about this stuff. Why? Because you're like the science. Yeah. Crazy. I know. It's so fun to listen to all this stuff. How much do we, why? Because you're like the science atheist guy

when we all first met like 10 years ago. Well this is still science. No it is, that's why you were the science atheist guy now that you're like the other side of the. I had one for you Adam, it was like, so they had shown, so a lot of like these fossil records and all this, it's interpretive after like, you know, with dinosaurs, we've, we've always tried to kind of render what we

anticipate they might've looked like, you know? And it's like, they always kind of end up looking like a velociraptor and they kind of like make this cartilage and it comes out to a certain point. And, uh, you know, this one time it was with a, uh, I think it was either a dog or a deer that they found out the skeleton actually was, but they thought it was a dinosaur like bones and then they drew it all out and they're like, it was with a, I think it was either a dog or a deer that they found out the skeleton actually was, but they thought it was a dinosaur like bones. And then they drew it all out and they're like, it was just like this. And it had like this kind of skin and it looked just like a velociraptor. Turns out it's like a deer, you know? So it's like, you know, it's all this artistic

interpretation of trying to like, because guess what? We don't have like, except for wooly mammoths, right, that we can actually observe that. Because we have them frozen and encapsulated. That's the only time it's like we've nailed exactly what this looks like. You know those dinosaurs with, my son's all into dinosaurs, so I'm relearning them. When I was a kid, I was super into them.

I can't remember the name of the dinosaur with, it looks like a sail on their back. What are the names of them? I don't know. It's called a their back. What are the names of them? I don't know. It's kind of a spinous, spinous. Spinousaur is one of them. Spinousaur is one of them, right? And they showed the bones of.

Thank you, Jeffrey, I'll take 300. Right. I only know that because my side is a dinosaur. Facts! What's your reading? I never get to play this game. You guys have, this is an important question, by the way. I'm surprised we've never asked each other this.

I'm actually embarrassed. What was your favorite dinosaur when you were guys have, this is an important question by the way. I'm surprised we've never asked each other this question. I'm actually embarrassed. What was your favorite dinosaur when you were a kid? This is very important, very important. Okay, I liked, I was a Triceratops guy. You were? Yeah, yeah. Wow, what about you? Brontosaurus.

You were, wait, what? What does that say about me? A Brontosaurus? Yeah, I would never guess that. I loved it. Why? It was so big. Really?

Yeah, it was so big. I felt like I would've been that guy riding it, just like, yeah. Yeah. What? So I liked Triceratops too, that was my second favorite. Yeah, I feel like I would have been that guy riding it just like yeah So I like Triceratopsus that was my second favorite first favorite actually at a rink my first favorite was a Ankylosaurus, okay. Yeah, yeah because he had the yeah max like Yeah, cuz he's got the little spiky. Yeah, I wish I'd like a t-rex, but I wasn't that cool. Everybody likes t-rex Yeah, if you're if you favorite a T-Rex, you didn't really like this.

You're just a Gennaro kid. Come on, bro. Basic, think more. Basic, basic. Everybody likes T-Rex. But anyway, the dinosaur with the sail on its back, I forgot what animals have this now, maybe bison. They said, you know, this could have been an attachment point

for very massive back muscles. So instead of it being a sail, it was a very muscular dinosaur with these really, really powerful. Right, because you don't know the meat. No instead of it being a sail, it was a very muscular dinosaur with these really, really powerful. Right. Cause you don't know the meat. No. Cause it's, and they showed up that high. I forgot what animal they were showing. I mean, you know, we got the whole skin and feather thing all wrong. I mean, it's like,

how many of these things, I wish I remember where I first, like what first made me question all that stuff so much. Cause I think I remember seeing like the way they even piece all the bones together. I mean, it's not even like a good puzzle, bro. It's not even like. They've messed up and even had human fossil like heads and then put it on top of an animal body. And they're like, hey, look at this specimen. This works, this must be, let's name it.

Just as Triceratina. Sorry, no. Who knows, who knows? But yeah, it's interesting. I bet they looked a lot different than we thought. Definitely don't know how they sound. They could have been like. I hope we get to find out.

However this thing plays out, you know what I'm saying? Whether we're in a simulation or something, God, whatever it is. I hope we get. I hope it still exists. Okay, so those are things for you. Like if you win this thing, whatever this is, right? Simulation, God, whatever ends,

and we get the chance, potentially like, what would your ask? Your one ask. You got one ask that you get to see, do, whatever, ends and we get the chance, potentially like, what would you, what was your, what would your ask? Your one ask, you got one ask that you get to see, do, whatever, like what's that, what is that? What would I ask? Cause you guys, I feel like you guys are- I wanna know the origins. Yeah, see I feel like you guys are historians

that you would want origin stuff, right? Yeah, dude, did we come from Mars, like, and then come here? No, he's gonna, the only thing he's gonna do is be like, did you not read how I made you? Yeah. He's gonna piss him off, dude. What a stupid question. There's a lot of open questions within that.

He just broad scale, this is how I did it. It's like, cool, but I wanna know details. Yeah, I don't know what I would ask. That's a good question. I have no idea. Obviously, I would think you would either go historian way or family way. You'd wanna like, I wanna meet my great, great, great, great, great,

great grandparents or something like that. Like that would be, that would be cool too, right? Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't have a lot of family heritage. So that one doesn't strike me as much. I probably want to just. You have a question? Yeah. I want him to explain how wrong carbon dating is.

And dinosaurs, how fucking wrong everybody was. Give me. Yeah. Just some validation. Validation please. Validation was what my buddies were making fun of me for. Dinosaurs fucking wrong everybody My buddies are making fun of the dinosaurs I drown them all He's like those are just big cats you say those cats were bigger back in the days It would be cool to watch like a really long movie about how everything happened Yeah, I think that's gonna be something that're gonna see, I think is gonna be really neat in our lifetime. And I don't know why, maybe,

I don't know if Doug's ever looked this up for me or not, but I feel like we already now with social media, it's been around 20 years now, somebody who passed away that has a lot of that digital content, how cool would it be like, you know, like the grave sites where you're pushed in the stone or what that, like on the front is like a digital screen and you you go like watch like a.

I don't know how I'd feel about that. Really? You know, I visited, so I haven't. I would like that. So ever since my grandfather passed away a couple of years ago, I haven't visited his, uh, you know, where he was buried. I have a tough time with that.

So I just haven't. My cousin came to visit. I went to go, you know, he's like, he did. He's like, let's go visit. Yeah. No, no. So we went and he had his picture there. It's very hard.

I have very tough time processing those kinds of emotions. I'm super avoidant with them. So I sat there and I couldn't imagine a digital screen with him talking to me. I think it would be more, I don't know, it would make me even less comfortable. Or more. Yeah.

Interesting, yeah, that's your own shit, right? That's not like. Of course. Yeah, like I think that would be cool for the rest of your family and everybody else would love that. To go talk to not him, but someone that's acting like him. I'm not, okay, I mean, now you're going like to AI.

Well, that's what I thought. AI, I'm not thinking that. I'm thinking like really just like, like a long Instagram story. Like it's the story of his life. Like he's talking. Sure, I mean. Oh, you just go through.

Yeah, you just go through it. Like imagine your Instagram stories, but like, imagine, OK, us. We have so much digital content we've put out. Imagine if, like, there was a service that you pay, like an editing team. What is this? When you die and you say it's a $10,000 package,

and they put together from birth to death a video collage of it. Oh, that's different. Yeah. Well, that's a digital tombstone, Doug, pulled up there. Yeah, digital tombstone, basically, these photos and videos of a person, and you call someone's headphones on, and this is John.

See, that's sick. Hey, I'll tell you. That's sick. Hey, you know, it's weird, though. When's the last time you guys were seen? So, I would love, so, Brad, this is like something, I think about this a lot, because I don't have much of my dad.

I have so little, like... You don't even have a lot of pictures of him. No, hardly any. Handful of pictures of my dad. You never seen what your dad looks like like me really a lot like you Have you seen my uncle John before? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It looks just that we all look at we look the three of us Look a lot, especially now. I've gotten older and lost my hair. So we all look alike So yeah, very very much similar. I'll show you a picture sometime But I mean this would be so rad like it would be a part of something that I would definitely like once a year,

at least come back and visit. You know, it's crazy. When's the last time you guys have been to like a graveyard or where people get buried? Has it been a long time? Yeah. I'm like you like that. You don't like it? Yeah. I'm very avoidant. Yeah. So I, I, when I was there for my grandfather, I walked around a little bit and you start looking at like, Oh, this person was born here, but born and man, there were a couple,

it was one dude who was younger than me who passed away, and he had just gotten, he had just become a doctor, and then he died, I felt so bad, I showed his picture. I was like, oh my God, that's terrible. Yeah, so it's a, I don't like going to those places. Anyway, look, shout out, let's shout out our guide, our how to squat like a pro guide. That guy's going crazy, by the way.

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So let's start with this first. have low testosterone. Yeah, that's what they look like. Okay, so let's start with this first. If your testosterone is dampened or low because of a nutrient deficiency, supplements can make a big difference, right? So if your zinc is low, vitamin D, if your vitamin D is low, boron is a trace mineral, those tend to really affect testosterone when they're low and you can go get tested and if you have low testosterone go get your nutrients tested and if those are low supplement with them and then you should see a significant improvement. Then when it comes to supplements the best supplement I've

seen for actually raising low testosterone is ashwagandha. The data on that one is the best. Next would be Shilajit, and Organifi has a really good Shilajit product. That seems to be very effective as well. But even with how much they raise testosterone, it's not like this huge mega boost in range. Yeah, I feel like this question comes from, I mean, I asked this question, I remember as a teenager, a young boy trying to build muscle,

and I learned that testosterone builds muscle. And I knew that, yeah. And then I knew there was lots of test boosters out there. And so of course I bought all of them thinking that would help. I didn't, what I didn't realize, I failed to realize was that if you already have naturally good testosterone or high,

especially if you're 17 years old, like I was at the time looking for this, it's not gonna do anything for you. It will move the needle for somebody who's got really low testosterone. It'll give you this artificial boost. But to your point, many times somebody who is suffering from low testosterone, there's also other lifestyle factors that can make it dramatic.

You're probably not getting enough sleep, maybe you're calorie deprived, not strength training. Too much stress. Yeah, too much stress. So those things will move the needle as much stress. Yeah, too much stress. Not enough fat. So those things will move the needle as much or more than the natural boosters. And when I came off testosterone years ago

when we were doing this podcast, I went on a little over two year stint of- And I put you on all the stocks. Yeah, and Sal had me on the Tung Cat Ali, we had you on Ashwagandha, you had me on- Horny Goatweed. I think I had Horny Goatweed too. You had me on everything.

And I did notice a little bit of a boost. What it felt like was it helped a little bit and then it kind of like leveled off and then I never really. You would feel a little rise in libido. Yeah. That's pretty much it. Yeah, that's it.

And I actually remember telling, reporting back to Sal that of all the things I was doing, I actually noticed a bigger difference the day after I did like a heavy squat day or a deadlift day, like a good heavy strength training day seemed to naturally. That's one of the best movers, yeah. Yeah, that kind of boosts my levels more than anything, that getting adequate sleep.

The other part of this too is you raise your testosterone, but you can also make the current testosterone you have more effective by increasing androgen receptor density, meaning the amount of receptors that testosterone attaches to. Strength training does that. This is why when you lift weights, you notice like you have more testosterone, even if it doesn't raise your testosterone,

because as you build muscle, your muscles is part of the building process, increase the amount of androgen receptors that they have. So now, whatever levels of testosterone, let me put it this way. If your testosterone is at 500 total and you double your androgen receptors, it's like having a thousand testosterone because now that 500 goes that much further. So, and that's what strength training does quite consistently is it rate increases your androgen receptor density.

There is a supplement, I will say this, that will reliably raise testosterone in anybody, but it's for like two or three weeks. And then after that, it doesn't do it anymore. It's called de-aspartic acid and you will feel a testosterone boost, but it lasts like 30 days and then it doesn't really do anything anymore. And along with that rise can come out estrogen as well, just FYI, but that is that one. Next question is from Elizard10e. Can you build muscle on Maps 15?

Oh yes, you can. It's, it's probably of all of our programs, uh, when you consider the, our, our, our huge audience, it's probably the one that will build the most muscle in most people, you know, I would say maps anabolic would kind of be up there, but maps 15 is very close because it's appropriate. It's appropriate volume and frequency and intensity of strength training. When we first created the program, I followed a MAPS 15-ish style workout because we were going to promote it.

And Adam was raving about what he was feeling. And I hit a PR on deadlifts, which I hadn't done in a decade. And I broke an old PR on accident just from that style of training. I mean, it's a little, but it's spread out volume. You know, it's like, I think people like, they look at it from a workout for just that day, you know, and it's like, Oh, this is like barely anything. And like, they're not taken into account. Like all these other days were stringing together.

And then too, like how much this is like priming you and like solidifying the signal to be in an anabolic state. And it's like, it really does like impact you in such a profound way. I thought what it really highlighted for me and what I think I see in people was that just the over application of volume and intensity and for people that like to work out. And I need to do it that long. I think that see in people is that just the over-application of volume and intensity for people that like to work out.

So what do you need to do it that long? I think that what it really shows you is that, you know, the nutrition, the sleep, the recovery part is the bigger piece of the puzzle here. Especially if you do something that's well programmed, you hit the movers that are going to really move the needle when it comes to building muscle and strength, which it's like it's programming in its simplest form, right? It was like, this is when you hear us say things like the goals are do the least amount possible to elicit the most chance it is that it's like it is literally that is like, okay, these are if we could only

do certain amount of exercises in a certain amount of time for only so many days, like the least amount, what does it look like? That's MAP 15. And the truth is, wow, to me, all the crazy amounts of responses that we got of people hitting PRs and building muscle and also just highlights how much stress and, you know, lack of nutrients and over training that people. Strength training is so effective at low doses. People have no fricking idea. It's extremely effective at low doses.

It's what makes it, it's probably the one thing that makes it most unique among other forms of exercise. Other forms of exercise in tiny doses don't have a tremendous effect. MAP-15 is 15 minutes a day, was it five or six days a week, and the advanced version is 20 minutes with barbells and you'll build muscle and get stronger. And by the way, there are lots of studies now that show this. There are studies that show an isometric contraction once a day in untrained individuals dramatically boost their strength. There's studies on trained individuals where they take a week off after every three weeks and they built

the same amount of muscle and strength as a group that did this, went all the way through and never took a week off. So I think we've completely overestimated how much strength training you need for optimal results. And this program is completely highlight, highlight. That's it. Next question is from Meg Chow 91. What priming exercises do you guys recommend doing before bench pressing? You know, of all the exercises I primed before bench press first.

That's the, that's the exercise I figured out priming with before I even understood what priming was. I had to. And the best exercise that I did, and I still think generally speaking, it's a good way to get good at your bench press is to do a row before you bench press. Yeah. To activate and strengthen and work on that scapular retraction and depression, that tight, you know, shoulder girdle.

And that comes from rows. And what's funny is that back in the day, when I was a kid working out, I'd see these heavy bench pressers in the gym, these older guys that could lift, you know, three, four plates on the side, on each side. And I'd see them grab the bar of the bench press and row their body to the bench press for reps and then get back down, settle themselves in them bench. I always thought, what are they doing? They were priming.

They were priming. Yeah. I would, I would say, uh, two sets of W's, two sets of rows. That's like my, my go-to. Two sets of W's, two sets of rows in that order too. Uh, W's I liked them so much because like it just, it wakes up all those stabilizer muscles in your shoulders and sometimes I get that kind of loose, kind of clicky feeling a little bit in my shoulder. And so it really wakes up all the stabilizers and gets those primed and

ready to stabilize my shoulder. And then the priming of the, you know, upper back from the rows to get me in the most optimal position. The combination of that, I'm set. I'm ready to go lift heavy. And so, and that's literally the formula. Yeah, I'll do band rows. And to your point of, you know, set my shoulders back, but really like what took me beyond what I was capable of doing bench wise, I was doing a lot of, and I showed you guys when I was doing Indian club swings and it was really just because it hit all those different points of rotation and it was just to get that to kick in and in the lift. And so I now I have that as my stabilizing unit that's like ready and active and they're contributing because now I could add and apply more force. Yeah, I would go, you got me on a

kick doing Indian clubs from here for a while. Like I don't have clubs in my house, but that if I wasn't doing W's I'd be doing clubs But those give me that like warm the shoulder up and get all the stabilizers in your shoulder I think this locates are we're good too for me. I use those as a trainer a lot But the way I would warm I always my clients it was rose light rose focused on squeezing pull the shoulders down and back and Then stick dislocates that was the the shoulders down and back, and then stick dislocates. That was the second one that I would use. And then there were all, there's of course priming that's specific to the client depending on

their issue, but those generally speaking I think across the board. I think so too. And by the way this is if you go to Mindpump TV and you or you go to YouTube and just put Mindpump and then Benchpress primers, it'll, we did videos on this stuff. Next question is from Yalitza Garcia, double G. How can a new mom mitigate the effects of lack of sleep for recovery and muscle building? You know, here's the thing about sleep.

You can do things that'll help you deal with the lack of sleep by helping you stay a little bit more alert, or give you a little better function, caffeine. You could try other wakefulness products, drink more water, et cetera, et cetera. Shouldn't we be more concerned about muscle preserving as opposed to muscle building when you're sleep so impaired? Yeah, here's the deal.

You can't get around lack of sleep. You cannot get around lack of sleep. So what you should do, there's two approaches here when it comes to sleep. One is get more sleep, that's obvious. Get it where you can. And sometimes rest helps a little bit. Meaning, you're a new mom, you hear this all the time.

I know new moms hate this because it doesn't work this way, but I mean, how many guys will say this to their wife? When the baby takes a nap, why don't you just nap? New moms want to strangle them because a mom is so vigilant that when the baby takes a nap, they're wired and they can't go to sleep. But laying down, closing your eyes, even if you don't sleep, does have some beneficial effects.

But get more sleep will be number one. Number two is improve the quality of the sleep that you do get. So it's very alluring as a new mom to when the baby goes down, you're still tired. You need to wind down, you get on social media or you watch TV, you're watching, you're on, you're exposing yourself to electronic light. That's that type of stuff. Um, you ha you have to prioritize sleep because nothing can replace it.

There's nothing I could tell you that's going to make up for it. No, you're not going to, you're not going to make can replace it. There's nothing I could tell you that's gonna make up for it. No, you're not gonna make up for it. In fact, the conversation I have with this client is I'm more concerned about you doing more things that are gonna make it worse, right? So to Justin's point about, at this point, you're not gonna build any muscle. It's about muscle preservation.

So what are some of the things that I don't want you doing that's gonna make that worse? And so I think a Mistake that the this mom who laughs and sleep is doing is you know overdoing stuff or? Trying to go in the gym and make up for it by lifting weights or pushing her body really intensely Like the sleep the recovery part is so important You know you're better off getting more sleep and and getting another meal and a protein meal So your body's getting adequate protein to stay hang on

Then you are to go in the into your garage gym or go to the gym and go push your body and try and work out Because you're you're worried you're gonna lose muscle So that's how important the sleep and recovery pieces is that you know what you can do when you can't control that right? You can't control the baby has a rough night of sleeping or you just can't get sleep because of whatever the case may be. Obviously, that's the first priority to try and achieve that. If you can't, then really what you need to look at is like,

what other things am I doing that's not, that aren't like filling my bucket, right? Like, and you brought up the phone, like being late on your phone, staring at a screen, not a good idea. Doing things that are gonna be super stressful for you, not a good idea. Like, you know, finding places for you to rest, get massages, recover, downtime, think internally and things that are going to bring down the stress

is what I would be communicating to this client. Totally. Look, we have a guide. It's how to squat like a pro, teaches you how to squat like a pro. Priming movements, warm-ups, exercises, technique, the whole deal. It's a free guide you can find at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com.

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