Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2341: What to Do When Fat Loss Stalls, What Your Grip Strength Says About You, What a Proper Cut Feels Like & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

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we have Ricky Ellis. Both of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to ya. Create a world you can thrive in, not just Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you Create a world you can thrive in not just survive in all right. What does this mean? Curate your media, you know new data shows that the average American spends about half their day

Consuming media that actually becomes your reality. It's what your brain perceives as the world So curate it change it change it so that it, so that it helps you thrive, become a better person, not just scare you or anger you, or turn you into a consumer. Literally, do this in a way that is conscious. It'll change everything. Speaking of that, did I see in Basecamp today that you got the porn addiction guy in this week?

Yeah. Is that right, Doug? That's correct, yeah. Tomorrow, huh? Yeah, that'll be good. Speaking of which, right? Yeah, I should just maybe think of that because of where I had no idea

where you're gonna go with this morning's tip. So I saw the stat that, I mean, how much media people consume when you combine TV, social media, all that stuff. It's crazy. In your brain, your mind doesn't perceive it as, oh, I'm just watching media. This is what you're, this is the world you live in, right?

This is what I live in. So if you consume things that enrage you with news around the world all the time that you have no influence over, you can't do anything about, or if you're constantly consuming media that tells you you're not good enough, not attractive enough.

Doesn't even have to say that directly, by the way. It could just be pictures or ads of people that you'll never look like, and you'll subconsciously compare yourself to them. And it becomes your reality, and without realizing it, it changes. It's literally the world you live in, even though it's just on your screen,

it's the world that you live in. And the only way just on your screen, it's the world that you live in. And the only way to change it is consciously. You have to go in and change the algorithm or turn it off and not consume it so that your reality is your family, the people around you, your neighborhood. I mean, when you walk around your neighborhood, isn't it funny how little,

like how not enraging it is compared to social media? How many times have you run into people in the real world that you see on social media so often? We're like, oh my god, I can't believe those people are that way, and then you walk around the real world. Such a distorted view of reality. It's totally wild. I think the bodies and then the wealth are the two big ones.

I mean, Katrina and I made a point of that where we were on the plane and it was delayed and stuff like that this last week, and we're just talking about like, you know, we'll sit there and people watch and it's like, where are all the Instagram bodies? I mean, we're in an airport. I'm around at least in that, that, you know, a couple hours that you're there seeing a few thousand people, you know,

and it's like, I didn't see one Instagram body. And the same thing goes for like the wealth on the wealth side. Like, you know, I follow all these like cool car pages and stuff like that. And it's like all these kids running around with fricking, you know, Lamborghinis and Ferraris and stuff. And like, where are they all at? I only see them. How many of those are even real? Yeah. They're not rent. Yeah. Did you,

did I tell you guys that? I don't know if I brought this up on the podcast before. I didn't even know this was a thing. I guess down in a Orange County, LA area, it's popular for like four dudes to go in on like. You did bring this up. Okay, yeah, it's like. They'll go in on a lease for like a nice, like a super expensive.

Yeah, yeah. So they could use it. All together. Yeah, and use it on social media, right? So, and you know, I just, you see those two stand out the most to me. I'm sure there's other examples, but you. For me, it's the rage.

I very easily get caught up on getting mad at crazy people, people doing terrible things, stuff like that. Then you go around in the neighborhood, you go to the grocery store, you talk to people. It's like everybody's nice. And we live in an extreme, on the political spectrum. We live in the least nice area. Well, right, if you look at it.

But yet it's not that crazy. No, people are nice. You say hi to people on the street, you're at the political spectrum. Yeah, we live in the least nice area. Right, if you look at it. But yet it's not that crazy. No, people are nice. You say hi to people on the street, you're at the grocery store. I mean, you might have one encounter here and there, but it's not like social media. No. And again, when you consume all of that,

your brain, your body, your mind has no idea that that's not the actual world you live in. Well, it is the world you live in, right? Because that's what you're living in. And it changes everything. This is why the whole argument for the quote unquote wealth gap becomes this big thing. People are so mad when in reality, poor, middle, upper,

everybody's doing better than they were 100 years, way better than they were 100 years ago. But we're so aware of what everybody else has that we look at what we have and it's like, that's not fair, that's not fair. That's not fair at all. When in reality it's like, we're doing way better off than we ever have.

It's really weird. It's really wild, because when you turn it off, how do you guys feel? Have you guys done this before where you turn it off for a couple days, just not on your phone? It's so different. It's completely different, yeah. It's just one of those things you don't realize it became,

well, because we're such creatures of habit to where it's like it, like it sneaks in there becomes ritual for you to just like kind of take a look and see. And yeah, you're taking that in constantly. And, and, um, again, because it's so sophisticated now that it shows your watch time and how much you pay attention to certain types of posts and like, so I'll get pulled into some like angry posts and some people. Yeah. Like in conflict, like, so that one gets me sometimes. And I have to check myself and start unfollowing pages,

but you really have to be proactively consciously looking at what you're consuming. Otherwise it's just going to just get in there. Do you guys think it's because it's still relatively new? Like that we haven't seen enough of the fallout and all the negatives, like that research is just really starting to surface now. And even that isn't like, I wouldn't say well known, right? Like the average person or definitely not the average kid

is communicating that. Like, do you think that it just needs, we just need time for enough of the negative research to come out about what it does to you to be stuck on their phone and addicted, and then they'll have, then we'll have a healthier balance? Or do you think it's so addictive that it's like giving all these people drugs and it doesn't like trying to get off as, you know?

I would say both. I think what's interesting is- By the time they get that information, they're already hooked, you know? that it's like giving all these people drugs and it doesn't like trying to get off is. Yeah. I would say both. I think what's interesting is. By the time they get that information, they're already hooked. You know, it's like, it's always way behind. Well, here's where I embrace the rebellious nature of teenagers, because teenagers,

rebellious by nature, right? Where evolutionary experts would say, this is when we're supposed to leave and try to just, you know, go out into the world type of deal. So it's this rebellious nature. Well, teenagers tend to rebel with what's normal. And so what you're seeing with this younger generation

is this, like, embracing, like, these brick phones and not being on social media and, you know, trying to be, because it's different. It's different from the previous generations where we're stuck, we'll meet all the time. So that's a good thing. I hope that grows. Yeah, I knew this kind of reaction, because you see it just go from one end to the other

all the time, but it's because of all the censorship and you can't say this, you can't say that, and this oppressive kind of move to scrub all speech and make sure it's a very certain way. You're already seeing the next generations coming up like into college or from high school like Completely rejecting like insane like, you know crazy stuff. You see like the roast of Tom Brady That's what Doug was saying to me this week

I didn't watch it, but he was that's exactly what he said when got the plan is where you're going right now He's like it what they went over the top. I see it I see it with the junior high kind of kids. And they're experimenting with these jokes that are insulting jokes. And they're coming at your race. Racist, sexist, everything. Yeah, like you being mentally challenged. Because they told you so hard that you can't. Yes, because you can't.

And it's just human nature. That's what's so frustrating is it's the same oppression that way back in the day, they felt like from the religious right coming in and like trying to remove that, you know, from school and front, you know, because it's like, they wanted this, this separation of, of this, like authoritarian, like over oppressive force. And it's like, they're doing the same exact thing. It's just from a different angle. It's wild because I can, this morning I'm in the gym and I go to a it's a

commercial gym but it's it's it's probably more geared towards you know more hardcore fitness. It's a UFC gym so it's like a 24-hour fitness or or a planet fitness right and even in there I'm in there working out I mean how many people do you guys think in there has has six-pack abs and look crazy? Yeah. Like nobody like one person in the whole gym working out. And this is a gym, it's already a, there's already a self selection bias of people that work out.

That is, and that looks way different than social media. You go on social media and you don't, your brain doesn't know that everybody doesn't look Photoshopped, has no idea that everybody doesn't look perfect. It'd be like growing up in the NFL. Could you imagine if your world was the NFL and you're as big as you're Adam, you'd be like growing up in the NFL. Could you imagine if your world was the NFL and you're as big as you're Adam?

You'd be like, I'm the tiniest, smallest, weakest, slowest person in the world because you're surrounded by these giants. I'm pretty sure I'm talking to a few putters, Sal. I'm talking to a few putters out there. How would you feel about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, how would you feel?

You'd be the weakest, strongest, weak. Yeah, fragile. You know what I mean. It's, look, I'll give you an example of how much media lies to you, right? So what does the media say? I just got these stats today. I thought it was crazy.

What does the media tend to portray to men about getting married? So you're a man. You get married. What happens when you get married? Ball and chain. Your life is over. Life is over.

No sex. It sucks. You're stuck one person. It's all burning out in the bathroom for an hour. Yeah. Totally sucks, right? There's some truth to that. The bathroom. That's your sanctuary. Little bit truth to that. Single men do that too. Yeah. It's just guys. But anyway, I looked up some stats. Here's how opposite of that message reality is. This is how opposite it is. I already know one of them that's way off.

The sex one is way off. Well, I got all of them wrong. Married men earn 20% more than single men. In fact, there's twin studies that show that the twin that's married makes between 18 to 26% more than the person that's unmarried. Now, let's stop there for a second. I'm gonna go through all these.

Let's stop there for a second. Why would that be the case? Why would married men make more money than unmarried men? Because the motivation to provide. And by the way, it's built in you. Whether you think you've got it or not, every father, every father I've ever spoken to, and this one hit home for me because I remember

this was a, this was a fear, right? An insecurity of mine was, Oh man, I gotta, I gotta have all my stuff together before I have a kid. And everybody would tell me like, Oh, just wait, you think you are pushing and driving and right now you find a whole new gear when you have a child. And it was like, it was so true. It was like, there's just this whole another level to you that you find wherever you currently think you run at, like you can run at another level. By the way, the stats on men making this much money, women making this much money,

it's married men they look at. Single men don't make more, single women make more than single men, do you know that? Do they think the single, the fact of their twos that like single men kind kinda jump from one job to the next and kind of keep trying? Oh, that's an interesting thought. It's more like what Adam said, when you're a married man.

Yeah, you're, listen, when you're a married man. There's also a little bit of a skewed bias though too, of like a lot of people probably did what I did too, was wait until you're very established. No, these are controlled. Oh, it's controlled for that? Yep. Oh, interesting. Yeah, 25 year old married man versus 25 year old married man. Wow, okay, that controlled. Oh, it's controlled for that? Yep. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, 25 year old married man versus 25 year old married man. Wow, okay. 35 versus 35. Okay, that's actually really interesting. And think about it, you guys know this, as a single guy, like a single guy, like you're gonna make money, but you're like, you're not gonna really go out there and,

you don't have kids and a wife and a house that you really need to take, especially children, especially when you have kids, like that's a big one. Yeah. Here's another one, they have more sex. 51% of married men would say that they're very happy with their sex life versus 34% of single men. The media would tell you the opposite. They would say you get married and sex is terrible.

Well, they say there's that, there used to be this old, the marble thing, right? Like if you're uh, if you dating, you're dating like your future wife and you were to actually put a marble in the jar for every time you guys had sex before marriage. So let's say you guys were dating for two, three years before that you'll never empty that jar after, after being married. Oh, if you like, and you pull one out for a time. That's so not true. So not true. No, totally false, right?

Here's another one. Married men live 10 years longer than unmarried men. Here's another one. Yes, and if you have sick unmarried men versus sick single men, they do even better. So 10 years is a lot. That's a whole decade longer. Married men, 43% of them say they're very happy with life

versus 20% of single men. So it's not just a little wrong, it's actually the opposite of what we're told. So young men listening right now, if they didn't hear those, that's how real data, look it up, if they didn't hear me say that and I were to ask young men, like what do you think? No, the portrayal would be married with children.

You know, it'd be the old Mondays. The money one's really interesting, although I get it because I went through that process and I explained like, wow, you do feel like a whole nother gear, but that one's really surprising because you would think that's probably a lot of young men that don't get married is just like. I got it, here's an interesting one for you, Adam,

because you were extremely driven, all of us were, but you were extremely driven single as well. Yet you made the most amount of money after you got with Katrina and had your son. How interesting is that? It is interesting. It's not like you didn't bust your ass before. Yeah, no, I worked harder before I think.

I think maybe what comes with it is clarity and purpose, right? That's a good one. And when I'm single and like, it's like more selfish desires, just trying to figure out what do I want? It's like, I don't know, maybe you're more aloof. And then all of a sudden having a kid becomes like, oh, there's my purpose. Like I have to like, providing for this family, setting them up for if and when I were to die like, and so, oh, it's my purpose. Like I have to, like, providing for this family, setting them up for if and when I were to die,

like, and so, oh, it's very clear. It's very clear now when I make these decisions that I factor that into the equation where that was never part of the equation, and so maybe that has something to do with it, you know? Like I- It's interesting to me because in the past, the way that men would brag to each other

was if they were married and how many kids they had. This is how it used to be in pretty much every culture up until modernity where men would get, hey, what's your name? Oh, I'm John. Are you, yes, married with five kids. Wow, that's amazing. What about you?

Embarrassed to say I don't have a wife or kids. Oh, that's shame on you, type of deal. It's weird how the media has twisted it and switched it completely. And you gotta ask yourself why. Why is it that we think that single men are happier, make more money, live longer, healthier? Why do we think that?

And I think it's just because the market wants single men because they're easier to pull around and get them to consume a bunch of bullshit. When you're married, you know, it's like, you don't go, like you said, you're not as selfish. You're way more frivolous when you're single. And you're harder to manipulate. You can't, when you have kids to take care of,

you're not as easy to manipulate as when you're a single dude that a sexy picture or something else is gonna just get you to do what you want. You're not quite as impulsive. Exactly. That's interesting. Very interesting. that a sexy picture or something else is gonna just get you to do what you want. You're gonna cry as impulsive, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's interesting. Very interesting.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of those I was not aware of. Some of them I were aware of, but not all of those. And it is, it is. But basically every metric that you can measure, being a married man is better than being a single man. Now, tying that back to the way you opened this up, do you think that, you know, that's part of like this, I don't know, I would say, where do you think that, you know, that's part of like this, I don't know, I would say,

where do you think that started? 80s? Would you say it started 80s or 90s? And do you think that the new generation will kind of rebel against that, that it will become, be cool to be a father again? Let me ask you guys this, if there was no media, let's just imagine there was no media whatsoever, and just think of all the men you know in your life. Yeah. Would you look at all the single guys in your life or the married men in your life and say,

wow, I think I kinda want that. Think about that. You probably wouldn't look at your single buddies. Yeah, most men I look up to, yeah. You wouldn't be looking at your single buddies and be like, yeah, I wanna live like that. Well established. I don't wanna do that, that doesn't look that good.

Yeah, well, especially now, right, because we're in our 40s now. Especially. We're in our 40s now. So if my single buddies that are still single right now is like, ooh. That's so great. Yeah, that's so great at all.

I'm not envious of that at all. Crazy, crazy stuff. Anyway, I was going through studies over the weekend and I read something pretty crazy about, just to take a different turn here, on sleep's effect on your chance of getting injured. I didn't realize that, I know that the studies show probably one of the most consistent ways

you can increase your risk of injury is just getting bad sleep. I pulled up a study, Justin, you'll love this. Seven hours a night or less of sleep. So seven isn't even that bad, but seven or less a night for about 14 days in a row almost doubles your risk of injury, regardless, regardless of what you're doing. And that's, yeah, seven's a good amount.

That doesn't sound that bad. Not bad. I know most parents get sick. There's like six or five, I know a lot of people that run on six and five. Yeah, dude. So what do you think the, obviously the sleep plays a major role

in how well rested, how much your muscles recover from. Regenerating the tissues. So do you think it's because, let's say I'm at poor sleep for a week and I play basketball, is that I'm not giving myself adequate recovery and so then when I go out to perform, my muscles aren't fully

recovered and then I go to push and ask of it to do something and that's where a tear or strain is that I thought a lot about like how do you think what's it I thought a lot about this and I thought because I'm like is it this is the lack of recovery cuz that's got to play a role so it's got to be that too but I think it's more cognitive ability as well like you know in terms of like your action movement like command yeah I think it's more CNS, because when we warm someone up or we give them, we do prime them.

What are we priming? We're not really priming their muscles, we're priming their CNS. And your central nervous system is really heavily affected first before anything else shows up in the body from lack of sleep. So I think it's that, right? I think it's your CNS, how it fires

and bolsters and stabilizes. And so if it's off a little bit, you go do a movement that you think you can do. You're either gonna overreact or underreact or yeah, and it's gonna be off. So I mean, that does kind of make a lot of sense. But that's a big, that's almost twice the risk. I mean, it's probably just that.

It's probably twice because it's actually all the things. You know what I'm saying? It's probably. Yeah, nothing will affect you negatively, like poor sleep, across the board type of deal. It's such an unsexy thing to work on. No, totally. You know what I'm saying?

It's not marketable. It's not cool. Totally. So it's such a, and I always think back back to like when, you know, we have this acquired knowledge over years of doing what we do, that if I were to go back in time

and tell my 20 year old self, like, does he listen? Like, even if I have all the studies to support what you're saying right now and smart Sal is sitting down talking to young dumb Sal, does- No, he doesn't, bro. I didn is sitting down talking to young dumb Sal. Does... No, he doesn't, bro. I didn't listen to... So young dumb Sal, I know.

I don't think I listen still, and that's terrible. There's a kid right now listening to us, not gonna listen. Yeah, that's, well no, what's the supplement? Come on. You've been able to convince, I love sleep, so, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure, okay, that's all I gotta do.

Well, you know, it's funny, of all of our partners that we work with, the ones that, because we work with companies that sell supplements and products, and the ones that'll probably have the biggest, I don't say probably, will almost surely have the biggest positive impact on fat loss, muscle building, injury, cognitive function, like you name it, hormones, are the products that improve people's sleep.

Yeah, like eight sleep. Eight sleep, yeah, like eight sleep eight sleep is a great example of that because here you have an AI essentially changing the temperature of the, yeah, it's changing the temperature of the bed and it's identifying your sleep patterns and it's improving your sleep in real time. I can't think of a supplement or a product

or anything else that would give you more bang for your buck than something that improves your sleep. Yeah, especially if you even got you just one hour of deep sleep. That's it, actually. Yes. Like that would just impact you so substantially. Huge.

Do you know what, I didn't even think to ask you this, I don't know if Sal, you've even looked into it, or maybe Doug, because a lot of our companies that we work with do their own studies and stuff like that. I bet they've got great stuff. Does 8 Sleep actually have a section where they have research? Because it would be so cool to have a control group

that use that for, say, a three-month period and then someone who doesn't. And then because they have all the scoring and all this stuff like that, there's gotta be some really cool research. There's something scary's scary too. They do brain, they've done brain imaging on people who are chronically, chronically deprived

of like people's insomnia. And their brains, if they didn't know any better, they'd look at their brains like, oh, you have dementia. Wow. That's how bad, that's how bad it affects the brain. Little bit like you go crazy, right? Oh yeah, yeah, you can induce psychosis in most people in a very short period of time

if you just kept them up the whole time. Yeah, dude, that's how bad. Well, think about it this way. I've said this before on the show. If there was a way for evolution to figure out a way for us not to sleep, it would have, right? Because you're unconscious, you're not gathering food, you're not building shelter, you're not doing anything, you're super vulnerable. Every organism on Earth that we know of sleeps in some way, shape, or form. It's not advantageous for us to just be just there completely vulnerable.

It would've figured it out. I actually, I'm reminded of this. We had our first heat wave come through, right? This weekend was super hot and stuff like that, or not super hot, but very, very warm. Enough to where I'm running the AC in my house and what I want to do is actually track the difference of the degrees that I can keep my house at now that I have the eight sleep because I there before we had the the bed cooling system I have the temperature has to be like between

65 and 67 in the house for me to sleep through the night. Like I have my best night's sleep, right? It has to be around that, that temperature. I can keep it up at 71 when because they sleep well. And so there's got, I mean, I don't know what the difference of managing a house four to five degrees higher or lower does as far as like the electric, the electricity bill. But I, you gotta think that that's gonna, over the course of a whole summer, multiplied by multiple years, that's gotta save me.

Yeah, that's gotta save me quite a bit of money. Well yeah, instead of cooling your whole house, just your bed. Yeah, yeah, and I sleep amazing with that thing. Speaking of the weekend, how was the Mother's Day? What did you guys do for the wives? And it's a good time, or what? So Katrina's family, they're very consistent with both Mother's Day and Father's Day. On Mother's

Day obviously moms don't have to do anything. All the guys get together and you know plan what we're eating and take care of the prep and the cleanup and you know basically kind of serve them. So we went over to Katrina's mom's house and they wanted me to host it. And, um, I was like that we're cause we were flying in from Michigan, uh, Doug, me and Katrina the day before. And I'm like, I don't know how burnt that five, you know, five hour flight there, five hour flight back, 24 hour trip time, three hour time change. Um, so I opted out to hosting. Um,

but we went over to Tina's and did that and had a beautiful time. Yeah, yeah, really good. Were you guys with family? No, we did. So I had one of our editors edit a video for me for Jessica with the kids saying. Oh, that's right. Oh, we didn't get to see it.

I wanted to see it. I'll show you guys. I can't believe you didn't show us before we started. So I'll video my three-year-old and ask him questions. Who did it, Dylan? Yeah. So I'll video my three year old and ask him questions. Who did it, Dylan? Yeah. So I'll interview the kids and I'll be like, what's mama's favorite color?

What did she say to you before bed? Whatever. I'm so gonna steal that idea. I got my one year old to say things like mama and stuff like that and then I got my teenagers to say something nice about. So it was this nice edited video and I gave it to her. It's funny, I got more emotional.

And she did, I watched it a couple times and I'm like, oh, you know. Yeah. And then I bought her, and I gave it to her. It's funny, I got more emotional. And she did, I watched it a couple times. I'm like, oh no. Yeah. And then I bought her, and my wife wanted this, so I know people are gonna be like, she wanted a hip thrust machine for the garage, so I actually bought it on Amazon. Oh God, Katrina's gonna be jealous,

isn't she, once? Yeah, so I got one, I gotta put it together still. So we did that, and then what we did is the day of, we go to church, and we were gonna go to the beach, and taking two little kids all the way to the beach, it was a warm day, it go to church, and we were gonna go to the beach and taking two little kids all the way to the beach, it was a warm day, it was after church, sort of been like at 11, I'm like, we're gonna be in here for two hours on the freeway.

Not worth it, so I'm like, what if we got cheap, like cheap little fill up plastic pool and little lawn chairs and did it in the front yard, and you and I had mimosas, And she's like, let's do that. So we stayed out in the front yard, had mimosas, and the babies were out there. Loved it, I bet. Oh, it was a blast.

I think the single best investment, and I was actually surprised what I paid for this because it was not that expensive. I thought those giant blow up, you know, jumpy house, water slide ones are really expensive. But I found one, I think, I want to say it was Home Depot year, two years ago, for really inexpensive. I mean, it costs you like a hundred, two hundred bucks to rent. I think I paid like 450, I think, for this, I mean, huge ones. There's cheaper ones than that if you want to save money. This is a big old one

you climb up on, slide down into a pool of water and it's got sprinkler thing coming on it. So it's like spraying and that is by far one of the best. In fact, as soon as it gets hot enough, like it was this weekend, what do you do? You just deflate it, fold it up, put it in the ground. Yeah, it has a big, it has a giant double back. I keep it in my storage unit around the corner. Um, but yeah, it has one, you know, it's got the motorized. It's so easy.

I literally unfold it, tie it. How do you fill it with water or do you plug a hose in and then it sprays? So it does both. So I put a little bit of water in to get started but then it has a like a hose that you attach and then it has these like you know sprinkler things that are like spraying on the slide, keep the slide wet. So can you fit on it? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Maybe I'll get one. Oh yeah I slide down and everything. That's what I mean. It's like it's cool. It's a it's a and Max and I have a but I open up the hot tub too So like he can go through the cold water and jump in the hot tub and come out

I mean, but I mean he's out in the Sun for five hours I mean, hey rares them we just I was just gonna say so last night my kids my daughter We normally put her better at 7 6 30. She's acting crazy I'm like she's go to bed already my son who normally wakes up at the butt crack of dawn, no matter what, slept in all morning. It was because we were out in the sun all day. They slept so good. Isn't that a testament though,

of how much they're deprived of that? Yes. It just, every time I go, man, we have to make a conscious effort to getting these kids back up there, because they do, they just, they sleep way, way better. Hard. They go down quick, easy, hard, and sleep through the night.

Did you guys see the Northern Lights at all? No. Did you go like, so Courtney, like, I guess it was like two a.m. to five, they said that we were supposed to see them, like in our area, and so, yeah, we set an alarm. It was annoying about that, I was like, I kept anticipating it like the whole time. So I like didn't get sleep.

She's just like, Oh, I'll wake up and I'll go see if it's there. And of course they weren't there. And we have the worst luck with the Northern lights thing, dude. I told you when we went to Iceland, everything, we made it, um, you know, a bunch of attempts and alarms and everything to do middle of the night. And we just couldn't see him. So I did this week, and I did the John Delaney move, where you ask, OK, what is your whole vision of this day?

Like, if you had the day, I want to know in the morning what happens. How do you see it playing out? How it plays out. Because it was completely different than what I had planned. And so I just like scrap my whole plan. Isn't that powerful? Yeah. For, for a Sunday to do something for her. But it was like, um, we were going to go to the pinnacles. I'm like, Oh, you've always wanted to go.

And like, I was like rallying the kids. We're gonna have to get up early. You guys like this is going to suck. This is for mom. Yeah. And I'm like, gonna pack lunch, we're gonna do the thing. And she was just like, no, you know, she wanted like everything, like just to get up. When she got up, like make her coffee and, you know, hang out, we had this whole thing of like, just a laundry list of like things she loves.

And so we just did all those things. And then I like took over for the cooking, the cleaning and all that kind of stuff. But it was like, this is so much easier. I'm so glad you asked. Yeah. Everything else I had planned. So it actually worked out pretty well. But I mean, I was like in two, I was pretty out of it still because I had like, I was Dennis worked on a Thursday that just carried through the whole weekend.

I was just kind of like, blah, like just kind of out of it on pain meds. So what'd they have to do? Did you have to crack your teeth again? Yes, so I've, I mean you guys, I mean I've had- Given the numbers, dude, how many? Six, so I had six crowns with root canal.

Bro, six crowns, root canal, what else? Root canal and I drain this like huge abscess are you just breaking your like what are you doing you're just crushing your teeth now is that what's happening so it's I mean it's up in the air he's even no like he's like I can't believe it you know that they're in the state now when I went to go see him and he's like we got to take care of this and and because I cracked one like the tooth the back tooth I cracked it in half and so it yeah he's like you got one of the strongest bites like he was always like so

angry we got a hug you're like I don't even like I'm not like holding it in I don't think but I think I process a lot my stress in the middle of the night I can't do anything about it. Wow. And so between that. He's like, uh. Yeah. Fucking south. Uh. Those guys. They won't stop talking. Yeah.

And then that and then the acid reflux I've been fighting my whole life, has not been helpful with my enamel. Have you noticed the difference with and without weed to do that? I would think that because no dreams calms you down. That doesn't help. That doesn't help.

Or do you know if it helps? Or you're- I don't know. Yeah, I mean I've tried it. Being interesting to see if you really tried to measure that and pay attention to, I would think that- What about a mouth guard or something?

Yeah, I wear it every night. Yeah, he's already got one. And you're still breaking shit? Well, he's chewed through a mouth guard. I go through those a few months. What do you mean? Like you take it out of your mouth and you bit through it? There's holes in it, yeah.

Wow, dude. Oh my God. Yeah, like I don't know if I can tell you guys. I am gonna get you a body pillow. We talked about that earlier, that might help. If you're hugging a big, big, yeah. Maybe I just need a little more. Oh man.

You know, tenderness. Back to your Courtney asking her thing. I love, and it reminds me of like, uh, you know, probably one of the things that make, that make you a really good trainer, right? Both of you guys like is your ability to give like real basic cues that are like so simplistic or basic hacks to like eat protein first, just do that. Like those, those little like small hackable things in life are like, that's what makes a great trainer, great trainer. I feel like when I think of the

same thing, when I think of like John Deloney's, like when you, I love when we have like really, really awesome guests and they, they give you something that's just so small and easy to apply and, and test and measure and like, it's super impactful. Oh yeah. I, we did that like the next day. I think I practiced that with Katrina

and I don't know how many times now we've already done that since that interview which was just a couple of weeks ago. And it makes a world of a difference. There's been already a couple of those times where we're like, oh wow, we're on different pages here. You didn't even realize it. Yeah.

If you had that ass. And I wouldn't have thought it was needed to be an ass but boy, I'm so glad I did because now I see based off of what you were thinking it, then you would. I wouldn't have thought it was needed to be an ass, but boy, I'm so glad I did, because now I see, based off of what you were thinking it was gonna look like, and what I was thinking, that was like a fight waiting to happen. Because you, and all purely out of just lack of communication, just because one person expected something

and the other one expected something totally different, and it's such a small thing to do. You just ask. It's just, hey, what does your ideal day look like tomorrow? Yeah. That's so weird that it's so different from what you thought too. And not weird, I guess it's obvious.

It's wild. It is. If you don't ask, you'd never know. And I think that it's, and I don't think you can overly practice it. I think the more, there's no rules to like what says you can't do that every day. But I mean, definitely when you have a holiday,

going to family's house, definitely when you have a holiday, going to family's house, you know, planning a trip, I mean, you're doing anything like that. And we've just now trained ourselves. So like, Hey, let's, let's just ask each other. I used to just construct that myself. And then I do like, I'd go over the top because I always thought I had to go like, you know, do something substantial for her to like really feel like she got acknowledged. It's just like, no, just all these very simple things that she loves.

And she was probably so happy. Yeah, and you're like, oh, this is way easier to execute. Yeah, I was like, I literally, bro, was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be doing such crazy stuff. Speaking of gifts that moms tend to get, have you guys heard of a vampire facial?

Have you guys heard of these? Yes. This is where they take the micro needles and they inject blood-rich platelets or whatever I think it is.? Have you guys heard of these? This is where they take the micro needles and they inject blood rich platelets or whatever I think it is. Did you just do that recently? Not that. Not that one.

No, no. It's PR, like PRP. Oh, that's it, that's it, PRP, sorry. Platelet rich plasma. Okay, so I, dude, I gotta bring this up. I just read. You did one or what? No, I did not, but this article comes up

that my sister shared, and there was an unlicensed spa in New Mexico, this is in the US, okay? A bunch of people got this vampire facial, and they all got HIV. Oh! Yeah, so they did an investigation, because people got HIV, and they're not living risky lives, they're not doing it like how did I get

HIV and they're like well, I got these vampire facials so authorities went and investigated and they found at the spa This is what they found at the spa a kitchen counter a centrifuge a heating dry bath and a rack of unlabeled tubes containing blood In a refrigerator unlabeled tubes of blood and medical injectables, including Botox and lidocaine, stored along with food, unwrapped syringes in drawers, on counters and discarded in regular trash cans. No autoclave for steam sterilizations. Oh my God. Yes, dude.

Like a bunch of shit that they found. Oh my God. So it was four people who got HIV scar, excuse me, from this PRP micro-needling. Dude, how mad would you be? That's crazy. That is crazy. That's crazy.

I don't know you could do that without, how did they get away with that? Well they didn't obviously, they're caught up now and busted. I'm sure they're gonna get sued. That's gotta be jail. I mean yeah, that's like huge. Medical malpractice. Yeah, the VIP owner or the spa owner

Plead guilty for practicing medicine without a license and she's like three and a half years in prison. Yeah, see that's it Yeah, I know you should be I would think it'd be I mean it wasn't intentional So that's probably why like there's a difference between intentional and unintentional But how crazy is that my sister sent it to me and she's like, dude, people got HIV before me. Where did they get the blood? Like it was contaminated? Either contaminated or from other people, I don't know.

What the heck? That is messed up. I mean, it sounds like, all it would take is one person who had HIV already that went there and then they used that blood and it sounded like they had unlabeled blood inside the refrigerator. It's just like they have unlabeled blood inside the frigerator.

It's just like, oh, grab that one. Grab the one next to the mustard. I'll use you. Jesus. You use needles? Well, normally with PRP, they take your blood. That's right. They put it in the centrifuge.

That's right. They take it out and then they inject that. That's right. So maybe just the unclean needles. Clean. Or unclean centrifuge. Something. Or something like that.

Wow. I know, right? Oh my goodness, that's crazy. I hope they something like that. Wow. I know, right? Oh my goodness, that's crazy. I hope they had a refund. Oh my goodness. Can't trust those vampires. I have an announcement for us. So new partnership, new partnership alert.

And this one's really interesting because, for the longest time, we've talked about all the benefits of barefoot training and things like that. And obviously, because we talk about that, you always get people that are sending us like, check out my five finger shoes. And all of a sudden, I've been teasing about those shoes like that for a long time. Like you will not catch me wearing a pair of those shoes ever. I don't care how healthy and how good it is for my feet. But I do recognize and appreciate the value of, you know, like shoes that are minimalist, right? And so-

Especially for lifting. I've always loved minimalist, yeah. So I got introduced to a brand, one of my friends who's a trainer, she had seen that, like, we were talking about at one time, and she's like, Hey, I know the founders of zero shoes and they're big fans of the show. I would love to just send you some. And so she didn't do anything other than that. And so we got boxes

of shoes sent over this way about a month or two ago. Everybody got their, their pairs of shoes and I actually love mine and wear mine and work out in them and they're actually kind of stylish. Yeah, well I was gonna say. Yeah, unfortunately that's my first check. I'm like, would I actually rock these more than once? You know, are they stylish enough? Yeah. I can wear them out and not feel shame. Yeah. They feel really stable. So I, especially when I deadlift heavy, I want my feet as close to the ground as possible. Powerlifters understand this. You get better leverage, better positioning, and you also want, the problem with traditional shoes, this is the argument that a lot of these minimalist

shoe companies make, and it's true, is that they smash your toes together. They have a very pointed shoe box and a toe box, and you want your toes to spread out a little so when I deadlift I take my shoes off you guys see me and I plant my feet and I try to spread my toes and I can I push harder and more stable you could do that in these shoes you can do that in these shoes I've got a really wide toe box and there's two and you do you feel like it I feel like I feel like I'm almost on barefoot like that's how close I feel to the ground so So yeah, I know I wore mine yesterday all day too. I actually had Mother's Day. My brothers were like, what are those?

I'm like, oh, there's this. Oh, you wore them for Mother's Day? Yeah, I did. I just, I mean, they're comfortable. We were with family and stuff like that. And like I said, they're stylish enough that you would catch me even outside the gym, which is a particular I am about shoes.

So yeah, no, I love them. I'm excited. In the 90s and early 2000s, basketball pro basketball players wore high tops, right? Especially in the 90s. Because the thought was, support the ankle as much as possible, keep it real tight so you don't twist your ankle,

and you can perform better. And that's what they wore. Now, they wear low rise shoes, no ankle support, because you want your ankles to strengthen, and you want mobility is what you want. You don't want to wear like a cast. So it's the opposite of what you would've thought. So one of the cool things to introduce to our audience

that they're doing actually, and so you can go to, and Doug will probably share, you guys will share the URL at the beginning of the show, but you can win a free pair. So go to their website and enter in to win. It's zeroshoes.com forward slash mind pump, spelled spelled with an X. So X er, oh, yeah So then you can go win yourself person. They have all kinds of to I saw that they have hiking shoes I haven't tried the hiking shoes yet, but they have they have some yeah So they've got more than just like your your workout shoes and all kinds of different colors and styles

So we are we allowed to talk about I see you put in the in the notes there, are we allowed to talk about the new? Yeah, it's live. Oh, wonderful. So new maps program, Muscle Mommy. We did an episode titled Muscle Mommy, how to become a muscle mommy, it went crazy. The amount of women that were interested in like building muscle, reverse dieting, speeding up my metabolism,

sculpting my body, I hate hearing the old message of, I got to be small, I got to be skinny, eat less. This is one of those terms that's almost like a bat signal. Yes. Yes. Women really responded to that. So that's what this program is. It's for women who want to sculpt, build, who want to speed up their metabolism. And in the program it has lifestyle tips hacks balancing hormones working with

Reverse dieting and then the strength training program is forced up over his floor exercises bonuses that we have with it This is a good this is a very exciting program. Yeah. No, I can't wait to hear about I we I think that it's the first program that we said You know women, you know mean or focusing program that we said, you know, women, you know what I mean? Or, yeah, we're just focusing purely on women. That's why I'm most interested to see how this performs just from a, from a business standpoint. I'm curious to like how many of our listeners are, were wanting. I felt like that's what people wanted.

And because we've never done that in the past, we've always done like kind of general, this is generally for everybody. And obviously anybody could follow the lifting portion of it, but a lot of the lifestyle, diet, hormone conversation, all the pelvic floors. And the workout itself. That's where the differences come in. And the workout's also geared more towards what women tend to ask us for.

Yeah, yeah. Which is like, hamstrings, glutes. Exactly, sculpting my body in a particular way. So Adam really contributed his bikini and physique training experience, because he trained competitors and what they would look for to get the physique they were looking for.

Yeah, I'm pumped to see how our audience receives this. Yeah, we'll see what ends up happening. Anyway, Doug, I was going to show you this earlier, but I got this, I saw this post on social media. So, I think it's common knowledge now that birth rates are just crashing across the modern world, which is not a good thing. This is actually existential crisis type stuff.

Like if the birth rates continue to decline the way that they are, society as we know it will have to completely shift. Otherwise we won't be able to support the aging population. But I saw, so Japan's got one of the worst, right? Maybe Doug, you could look up Japan's population crash or declining birth rate. I guess real estate prices in some areas are just plummeting because the population is crashing.

Really? Yeah. Is that something that takes much longer for us to fill the fallout of that? Like we- They've had a shrinking population now for a while. Oh, they have. They're one of the worst ones in the world.

It's interesting to me because I feel like after every single war, every crisis that humanity goes through, we just went through this pandemic crisis, you'd think that there'd be this surge of babies, but it's not the case. No, no, and I think it's... So Japan is, I thought China was like the worst with that.

Well, China had a law. Yeah, they had a law, and you couldn't have more than one kid. Yep, yep, but Japan's, I don't know, did you find it, Doug, to see what they're... Yeah, so the number of babies born in Japan has fallen for the past eight years. Okay.

It was down below, I believe, 500,000, which is the lowest it's been since like 90 years ago. What's the replacement rate? Is it like 2.1 births or 2.2 births or something like that per, I forgot what it was, because then you can look at the numbers. How is that possible? If it's only been eight years, how are we feeling?

It compounds really fast. So when you have less people having kids, you have less people wanting bigger houses, less people wanting bigger cars, and then as those kids grow up, then you end up in a situation where you can't replace no matter what you do. Yeah, no, I understand that.

I just think that wouldn't that take about 18 years for that to happen, like for someone to come up into adulthood, like for us to feel the difference right now? I know that their population growth was slower than a lot of other countries for a while. So I think in eight years it's just where it was declining, if I'm not mistaken. But I don't know, what's that replacement rate, Doug?

I'm taking a look at it right now. I have a graph I'm gonna pull up here. But- Say 2.25 or something like that. It was like 2.2. Yeah, I'm not sure what the rate is, but since 2010, even a bit before that in Japan, it's been negative.

So there's more people dying than being born. Okay, so that's a problem. That's what it is. Yeah, and you go down that for a little while, you can't replace it no matter what. And that's since 2010, that's a long time. That's 14 years. And South Korea's taking the same direction as well.

I know Italy is not doing well either, and some countries, what country is it, I wanna say Poland, where if you have like two kids, you stop paying taxes or three kids, something like that. They make it super. They incentivize it. Yeah, I've heard of that, that's Poland. I think it's Poland. They reverse incentivize it.

The more kids you have, the less you get, or the less taxes you pay. Less taxes. So like a person who has three kids, I don't remember what the number was, but it's like if you have this many kids, you don't pay no taxes. Yeah.

No taxes. Yeah. Oh wow. Because I say we incentivize here, it's that way. So the more kids you have, the better tax break that you get. Even on the other side, welfare side, for every kid that you have, you can't afford.

The government assists. Well, we are at the cusp of going below replacement rates here in the US, but our immigration's so high. That's what makes us make up the difference, is that we have so many immigrants. A lot. Yeah, but we're still like the bare minimum. Really?

Even with all the immigrants? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah, but we're still like, we're still like, we're at the, like the bare minimum. Really? Even with all the immigrants? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So. That feels off.

Isn't it? It's again, we just talked earlier in this episode about how the media lies. Like everybody would think, oh, it's too many people on the earth or whatever. Oh yeah. It's actually the opposite problem in most countries that they're facing a crisis where the governments

or can't figure out how to fix it because they're just not, we're not having enough kids. Well, and that's like one of those things that is gonna be long and painful because it just gets worse and worse and worse. They're probably not even really seeing, I mean, maybe a little bit the economic effects, but the economic effects will get worse.

There's less people to buy homes that'll drive that down, less people to buy cars, less people to- And nobody to take care of the aging population. Less people to work, less people to take care that'll drive that down, less people to buy cars, less people to. And nobody to take care of the aging population. Less people to work, less people to take care of their aging population. Like, yeah, no, that just. Yeah, I think if you look up the average age in Japan, I think that'll tell you a lot too,

because they have a very aging population where you just don't see. What does that say there, Doug? So hungry. So hungry. It's canceling income tax for new moms in their 20s. Another one. All right.

Yeah, dude, maybe we should go there, huh? Do I get money? Hungry for it. I got four kids. Yeah, I go so far, I just keep making more money. I don't know. Doug, what's the advertisement for the pills, or what is that on the right side?

What is that advertisement hitting? I don't know, new chapter? No, not though. I don't care what the brand, what is it? I'm trying to scroll up. It's one of these websites that you can't have any Control what Doug's getting advertised. Yeah Well, I was actually curious because it looks like it's like a true Zephytide bottle

Supplement I recognize that someone oh you do. Yeah. Okay. I just I'm you know, it's crazy how many Like how popular semi-glutide is getting, dude. Do you know my 14 year old made a joke, an Ozempic joke? She knows what they are. It's hitting the mainstream. I'm like, how do you know what that is? She's like, oh, I think people take it through the way.

It's like the new slide or joke or cap it on somebody. If somebody's lost weight, like, oh, did you use Ozempic? It's like, you cheated, right? It's like that. It's like the super jack guy, if you got a bunch of muscles, it's like, it on somebody. If somebody's like lost weight, like, oh, did you use O-Zip? It's like you cheated, right? It's like that. It's like the super jack guy, if you got a bunch of muscles, it's like all the steroids. I've been diving into the research on, and I'm not gonna say too much yet

because I'm just reading, but there's a lot there. We talked to Dr. Tina, and that episode will air later, but she highlighted some stuff. She sent me a Google file with all these studies that she's compiled and saved. And it's pretty wild. The potential for these peptides on autoimmune issues, they're muscle sparing.

So, so it may actually be, now you'll lose muscle no matter what, if your calories are too low, but in there may be an effect that may be pro muscle health at lower doses, which is wild. The behavioral effects, there's studies on those that are coming out now. It's really interesting. I'm fascinated.

That makes me happy, because today I hopped back on. So I've been off for a little over two weeks. Why's your appetite getting so high? Oh yeah, it's like roaring back. So it's definitely, it took about, I'd say it took about a solid week right away though, within the, within a week, I started to feel it increasing. And then by week two of, of nothing, I, it was like back and back to cravings, everything too. So it's like, it's not like, so I mean, this is going

to be interesting because you know, I was sharing this with Katrina and my family and stuff like that, cause I have family that are getting ready to use it. And I'm like, you know, of course it's not, it's not the miracle drug by any means. And if you don't work on the behaviors, you're not aware of like your new way of eating and it just slows your metabolism and you get back off, and it doesn't take long for that to ramp back up.

And if you don't have the discipline. Now what I think is like, man, it's easy. We've talked about this before. One of the neatest things about competing and dieting at that high of a level was after I'd done it for a few months, it actually is like the temptation to go outside of that is actually really, really small. It's like you've built these, it's always the beginning,

like to get, when you first start to diet and like you still have the cravings and the pull towards that. That's true. Then as you start to catch momentum and consistency and rhythm, you sort of connect the dots, like how you're feeling better and your stomach feels better,

you sleep better, your energy's better. And then there's like this like pool to like stay on track and keep eating well. And so if you don't pay attention to all that, then you come off of this thing, at your body's new adapted level of caloric intake, boy, you're gonna balloon right back up.

Well, it'll be no different than the yo-yo dieting. Yes. Maybe a little different because GLP-1s have other actors, but it's not great. Like, you've slowed your metabolism down, and then you start eating like you did before. You're not going to gain back a bunch of muscle. You'll probably just gain back more body fat.

So it could set you into a not so good spin or cycle. Yes. And you know. You got to have a coach. That's what I think. I think if you're going to be on a GL you know. You gotta have a coach. That's what I think. I think if you're gonna be on a GLP-1, work with a coach. Work with a trainer and a coach,

and then you have everything you need for pretty good odds of success. Without a coach, I don't think it's a good idea. Yeah, we'll see. I just started last week, so I haven't really noticed much for the appetite suppressing effects, but have definitely noticed when I eat something that has a bit of what

normally would inflame me is substantial. Really? It's response. Oh, man. Interesting. Powerful, yeah. I've been tripping out on that mean, overall I guess my calorie consumption's gone down a bit but yeah, I'm paying attention to that but I don't feel like this lack of hunger. No, I'm testing the micro dose like Dr. Tina talked about and I'll let you guys know what I think about that. I don't think I have any appetite suppression, maybe a tiny, tiny bit. I was getting really good pumps in the gym the other week and so that tripped me out I think about that. I don't think I have any appetite suppression, maybe a tiny, tiny bit. I was getting really good pumps in the gym the other week and so that tripped me out.

And so there seems to be a, well not seems to, it improves the amino acid and glycogen or glucose disposal in the muscle. But it's only been a couple weeks, so I'll let everybody know. I have a question for you, not to completely shift gears because we're talking about, we were hanging out with the trisapid, but it's only been a couple weeks, so I'll let everybody know. I have a question for you, not to completely shift gears, because we're talking about,

we were hanging out with the Tris-Epidide, I mean Tris-Epidide, hanging out with the, She was cool. The Transcend, not Tris-Epidide, Transcend, the Transcend team and company, right, we were out there visiting them in Michigan, and they were telling me about this supplement,

it's hydrogen, hydrogen pills. And you take it and you drop it. Yeah, you drop it in water and then it like. I've seen that, but I don't. Do you know any of, you know anything about it? What's it supposed to do, hyper oxygenate your system? Yeah, like basically nitric oxide into your blood and you're supposed to have the most amazing pumps

you've ever had. Really? Yes. I mean, that's all you gotta say to me. I mean, I was super, I thought maybe you would already know. Can you look it up, Doug? I thought most amazing pumps you've ever had. Really? Yes. I mean, that's all you gotta say to me. I thought maybe you would already know. Can you look it up, Doug? I thought for sure. I've seen them.

You have? Yeah, I've seen them before. I think there's different kinds. Yeah, this is like pharmaceutical grade. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is something different. I've seen the little tablets, you drop in the water and they fizz.

I think this is totally different. In fact, the manufacturing process is very sensitive, how they do that. Yeah, he did say that. Yeah. Yeah, they did say that. How they do that. Yeah, he did say that. Yeah. Yeah, they did say that. I wanna try that. Yeah, it sounded super interesting.

I thought for sure maybe you'd read up on it already. Maybe Doug can look it up and see what else. Do they offer it? They're going to be. Oh. That's an absence good though. I've been on that for a few days now. You said you noticed that, right?

I ordered it because of you saying that. So I've got mine on the way. What is it? It's basically NAD and B3 to noticed that, right? I ordered it because of you saying that. So I've got mine. What is it? It's basically, uh, any D and B three to the brain, right? Cross the blood brain barrier. Different, different feel like obviously it's like getting some kind of different nutrients. You notice it like right away? Um, within like 10, 15 minutes, what does it feel like? I mean, it just, I just feel clear. I just feel clearer. Really? Is it the same as C-Max? So I feel like that's kind of similar to C-Max. It's similar, but it's a different. I don't know how to describe it. Oh it is different. It's a different feeling. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, you mess around with it. Let me know. Yeah, I know I got mine on the way. So I'll tell you what

He was telling me when I was meeting with him like he was talking all about it Oh, that's funny cuz Justin just took it and said he loved it. So I with him, like he was talking all about it. I'm like, oh, that's funny, because Justin just took it and said he loved it. So I can't remember what he was telling, why he was telling it was so amazing, but he was all about it. I'm hitting my brain from all angles.

Oh yeah, Dr. Mercola does, has a heart. Yeah, but they're not the, They're not the same. They're not the pharmaceutical ones. No, the way he described it, they're like totally different. Okay. Yeah, he said that this is like BS right here,

the ones that people sell right now. So I don't know what the difference is. Well bro, you got me psyched. You said pumps, and I'm, I'm not gonna try it. Well, it sounded like it too. this is like BS right here, the ones that people sell right now. So I don't know what the difference. Well, bro, you got me psyched. You said pumps. Well, it sounded like it too. I was just like, Oh, that sounds like a super dose of nitric oxide in your blood. And they're like, yeah, that's exactly what's going on. I'll give it a shot. All right. So let's do the shout out.

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All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Matthew from Missouri. What's up Matthew? How can we help you? Hey, how you guys doing today? Good, good, man. Great. Like we help you.

So my question is, yeah, it's kind of simple, but worth asking. Um, I recently picked up maps, performance advanced, and I've been doing a lot of the grip strength exercises and one of them I really enjoyed is the pinch grip carries and I have a variety of your programs and every time I see a carry programmed, it's always right. So I was wondering is there a difference So I was wondering, is there a difference between doing the slow and up right way versus the faster strongman style way?

All right. Let me, let me, let me re say that for you Matthew, cause you cut out a little bit. So your question is, um, doing fireman carries and in pinch grip, you know, or, or grip style strength training that oftentimes you'll see us demonstrate it with a kind of controlled isometric hold. In other times, like in Strongman or Map Strong, you'll see it be challenged in a more explosive fashion. And your question is what's the difference between the two? Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So strength can be expressed in a number of different ways.

You can have isometric strength, which is the kind that just holds, right? A muscle just contracts. Then you can have the kind of strength to actually crush with your hand. So that's more of a functional strength. Functional, concentric, there's eccentric strength, the ability to release my grip but with tension. And all three of them, although they contribute to each other, you can train and strengthen all three of them individually.

And then explosive would be more of a peak output of challenging the grip without the grip failing. Now the controlled carries are gonna work more on that stamina strength, the kind of strength that is required, yeah, where you need to hold on to something for a long period of time. And that seems to be, functionally speaking... Probably the most valuable.

Yeah, I would say... Also keep in mind, like when we did Strongman, the thought process behind that is that they have to do stuff for time. That's right. So like it's... It's competition. Yeah, so there's more value to that,

like in a Strongman competition, you're being timed to carry these things, and so we're trying to simulate that to a certain point. Yeah. Now I can see the explosive applications in certain sports that involve throwing or sports like judo. Uh, you know, when I was a kid and I did judo, the grip strength of the top judo guys is just, it was insane cause they were so explosive and they'd pull so

fast and so hard and their grips needed to hold on to that explosive movement versus the Jiu-Jitsu guys Where it was much more of a static type of a grip longer hold type of style So both of them are valuable both of them are going to develop this kind of wide range of You know grip strength overall type of grip strength, and you really can't go wrong with one or the other strength, overall type of grip strength, and you really can't go wrong with one or the other. It's more specific when you have a specific sport that you're training for or something you're looking for. Is that the case with you Matthew? Do you have something you're training for specifically or are you

just looking to build overall grip strength? Overall grip strength. Yeah, then you would do both. Kind of getting that construction worker grip. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Construction worker grip is all of the above. I mean, if you swing a hammer or you, you know, you're using a shovel, there's some explosive component there carrying thing. I mean, heavy buckets and you gotta do it quickly. Yeah. So I would say like the,

the valuable one first is to go controlled just to to make sure that you have that kind of stamina and you have that kind of control and be able to sustain that kind of strength for a lot of amount of time. And then the next progression of that, I would then, if you're gonna go repeat this again or run the program again, I would do it, a little bit more emphasis on acceleration.

Yeah, totally. But they're all valuable. I would work on all of them. The only time I would be more specific would be if I was working with an athlete where the type of grip that they needed was much more specific. But what you're going to get by working on strength, stamina, and hold, I think is going to be the most wide ranging because when it comes to grip, I mean, crushing grip strength is important for some things, but typically across the board, your ability to hold on is typically what's most important because the movement is typically not coming from the crushing part of your grip. It's most translatable. Yeah, but rather holding on to things while you rotate, turn, pull, twist, whatever.

So that's typically where we'll start and probably a majority of training will be around there. Okay. Yeah, you got it. Good question, Matt. Good question. Thank you guys for your time. Appreciate the energy. Okay, bye. Did you say, I appreciate the energy? Poor kid. Poor kid. You know. Good question though, very good question. It is, it is. And you know, a lot of people don't realize

just how much. Brilliance there is in the programming? That, no. Just how much carryover a strong grip will have into all your whole workout. Everything. Pressing. If you have a strong grip, you'll notice

you can press more. Of course, pull more. It just translates because your hands are what connect you to the world. And it's just one of those things where, and in the real world, I mean, I remember as grappling, you know, you would go against guys who obviously had strong arms and backs, but it was the guys with the grip that you would, you could, you would fear. It makes a huge difference when you're,

especially with deadlifting, big movements like that. Like, you know what, I even noticed the difference when I started barefoot training in the translation of that into squats. Yeah, because your feet are strong. Yeah, you would not think of that. I mean, I know there's some obvious, you're like, oh, okay, of course,

because it's what connects you there. It is, your two points of contact, your hands, your feet, and I think we overlooked that a lot because we get involved in these big movements when in fact, yeah, like holding something, the ability to hold something for a long period of time with strength and control is such a valuable asset. Well, and a good example, anybody who's ever tried

to do like seated rows or even bent over rows with just your hands and then strap up, like how much easier it becomes just being able to not have to think about the grip. 10% increase in strength just like that. Just right, which is why people appeal to it so much, but man, if you can train that in your hands, it'll be even better. It's amazing.

Even in pressing, you'll even see heavy bench pressers sometimes use similar things like wrist straps for a press. You think, what does a wrist strap have to do with a press? It makes the grip tight and it straightens the wrist and makes everything real strong and then they can press. It's just one less place that you're gonna get power leakage. Otherwise you leak out power a little bit there. Totally. Our next caller is Steve from Ohio. Steve what's happening? How you doing Steve? Hey how guys doing? I appreciate you taking my call. I am 53.

I've been working out since I've been 14. I've tried a little bit of everything along the way. And I wanted to get your thoughts on what I can do to, I don't want to say slim down, but get smaller. So I sent some measurements in my, in my, uh, letter and I've just, I lifted for football. I was a football player. I've never been able to lose that size. So as you guys may have dealt with in your life, very hard to buy clothes, certainly

not buying them off the rack. My calves are 18 inches. My neck is 19. I've tried a little bit of everything I would say except just full distance running. So interval training, high rep, low weight. Currently I'm doing progressive overloads. I don't know the official name, but my best response typically is start out like 10 reps, add weight, get down to about six, and then go back up. Um, focus on Olympic lifts, but I just always kind of bulk up and get it very

big and I don't want to, and it's not horrible except I start to see pictures next to family and friends and it's, it's just pretty amazing how much broader and stuff I am and it's I'm a golfer now and it doesn't work well for my lifestyle. Okay. Good question, Steve. Do you know, do you have any chance, by any chance to know what your body fat percentage is sitting at? Cause that'll really help with my answer.

I've never done it. Um, I did a test one time and the doctor said that my optimal weight, I don't know if it works right, should be about 190 pounds. Um, I don't remember how we got there. I am five nine two 50. I don't feel like I'm overly heavy. Most people would say I'm lighter than I look, so I'm very thick. Um, and that's kind of my deal.

Like if, you know, and it's nothing for me to get back to my peach strength in like two months, if I really go at it, I can hit my youth max bench squat, head lift very quickly. Wow. That's great. Body fat percentage would help a lot. So when they give you a target weight, they're basing it off of BMI, which you can throw out the window,

especially if you're heavily muscled. Yeah. Or an athlete, you know, it puts you in the obese category and it's stupid. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. I can tell you're built, you have a body to build muscles.

So you probably even, two, 225, 230 would probably look way worse. Yeah, you'd want your probably if you want a healthy body fat, you're not looking. It doesn't sound like you want to get shredded or anything, but you want a healthy body fat percentage. You want to aim for about 15%, 16%. And so I would get a body fat test. You could do underwater weighing would be the most accurate.

And there's a lot of mobile places that'll do that. Uh, you could do calipers as well. I wouldn't do electronic impedance because that one can be thrown off quite a bit by water intake and stuff like that, but even a DEXA scan would be okay. But see where your body fat percentage is at, and then you can figure out how much weight you need to leave to lose to get let's say, 15, 16% body fat, which is a good, healthy, fit body fat percentage. And most people, most men are happy right around there.

And then from there, really it's just a matter of we gotta put you in a calorie deficit. And we gotta figure out what your maintenance calories are and then bring them down. And I see that you hit about half of your body weight in protein, is that correct? then bring them down and I see that you hit about half of your body weight in protein is that correct? Yeah you know and I wanted to have been trying I've really done a good job cutting out processed foods I'm not like a potato

chip guy or anything a lot of protein what I find though is I get really full on protein and then I don't hit my calories so like if I load up and have like steak and eggs in the morning, I am not hungry again. And then I'm falling way short on my protein needs. And one of the things I wanted to ask you is like, Hey, just do it, you know, force yourself. Um, and is that something I should do?

Or is it if you're not hungry and you're eating right, don't eat. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of both. So I would, so aim for your target body weight in grams of protein. So if 250 is not your target body weight, I wouldn't aim for 250. I would look at-

Probably 220, 200. Yeah, maybe 200 grams of protein is what I would aim for. I would eat it first and then allow your appetite to dictate the rest. They wait from processed foods and you'll find yourself get leaner. And that's the point. That's why it's so important to have protein.

I also would, because you sound like you can hang on to size well, it sounds like you can build your strength pretty quick. You have kind of like that mesomorph body type where I think you can build muscle well. You're the type of person that if we're in this situation where you don't want to eat anymore, I would just tell you not to eat.

Because even if someone like you lost a couple pounds of muscle, I think it would be very easy for us to get it back. And we're trying to get you down, right? So you're trying to come down in size. So I would always eat protein first. I would always try and hit my target. But if you're sitting at the end of the night like, oh, man, I'm behind 30, 40 grams of protein and I'm not hungry,

I would say don't eat. That's what I would say. Because of our goal, because of your body type, because of your history, even though you hear us on the show preach all the time about you gotta hit your protein intake, gotta hit your protein intake. Yeah, well that's, you know, somebody who's got, holds on to as much muscle mass as you do. I'm not as concerned if you, you know, lose a few pounds. Have you been listening to my journey with the trisepatide? I don't know if you've been listening currently and me sharing my whole journey with that. I've not heard that. I've been listening to all the other ones,

but I haven't been able to, time runs out. So I, no, don't worry about it. I'll catch you up fast. I've been on trisepatite for seven weeks now, and I've lost a little over 20 pounds. And I know I've lost some muscle, but I've built so much muscle over time that that comes right back if I want it

I just I'm like you I was wanting to get down size. I really think that my body feels healthier I'm just a hell I want to do back to get back to basketball And so I'm just allowing allowing the weight come down and so I have to make the same decision There's times where just the night. I'm very low calorie I was only about 22 2300 calories and I was still behind, you know, 40 grams of protein and I said, you know, I could force the food to get it, but it's like I'm trying to get down in size. I'm gonna miss it. I think Steve if you did if you tried to eat four meals a day with 50 grams of protein in each meal

from whole natural foods ate it first and after the third meal if you're like man, I don't want to eat that fourth meal I if you're like, man, I don't wanna eat that fourth meal, I think you'd be fine. But if you ate that fourth meal, you'd be okay as well. But the protein in the Whole Natural Foods and hitting it first is going to bring your calories down, that's the point. And you will get leaner. And because protein is so muscle-sparing,

because I know you wanna get smaller, but I'd like to see how happy you are at the body fat percentage between 14 and 16%. You might be happy there and be like, you know, I don't want to lose any more size. I just feel really good. This is less about the training. And I know that was like the thought first.

It's like, I need to switch it all up and get more circuit training. Let's see, whatever you're doing for building muscles, it's going to apply best in this situation. Really, it's the nutrition we want to adjust. Totally. Have you ever, Steve, do you track your daily steps by chance? Do you have any idea how much you move every day? I do not. My job is fairly sedentary. My cardio typically is like interval training on the treadmill. So I'll walk, run. I can do that all day. I got to be honest,, the long distance running a little atrocious,

but I'm forcing myself to get into that. Yeah. I wouldn't want you to do that anyways, but, but I will say this, since we're, we're, you know, getting you to do your body fat tests and do some tracking, get, get a tool that tracks your steps. You don't need anything overly sophisticated, just something basic that will track your steps. That's consistent. And use that as a nice like gauge to just see where you're at. Don't do anything out of the ordinary, see where you're currently at and then as you progress through your program when working out, make small incremental

increases in steps and just by adding little walks too. I'm not talking about anything very long, I mean 10 minute walk here, 20 minute walk there, just being cognizant of how many steps you're taking daily will really help, because what you might find is you, because you have a desk job, you kind of have this kind of sedentary, and then maybe you have one day where you do really good steps and moving a lot, and then you go right back down.

And just by you making a conscious effort to be more active throughout the day, every day, even if it's a little bit, a few thousand steps more a day, it'll make an impact on coming down in size too. Yeah, but this feels like a very simple answer though, really, again, if you were my client, I would test your body fat and I'd say,

okay, you're 250, I don't know, let's say 20% body fat, so this is how many pounds of body fat you have in your body. If we got you down to 15% without losing any muscle, what would your body weight be at? And I would do the math and I'd say, okay, this is what we're gonna aim for. And then I would do exactly what we just recommended

and it would get there. It would get there in a nice, even, consistent, slow but nice, measurable pace. You just have to be really, really consistent with it because your body likes to sit. It sounds like it likes to sit kind of where you're at. Do you have, do you have any of our programs, Steve? Are you running any of ours?

No, I was actually looking at all of them until I got some answers because I've tried so much over my life. I'm like, I don't want to just throw money at the wall and was just curious. I mean, I'm happy to do it. I just don't know which one's gonna work. No, no, no, we'll hook you up with something.

I think performance, what do you think? Yeah. Maps performance? Yeah, I think maps performance'm happy to do it. I just don't know which one's going to work. No, no, no. We'll hook you up with something. I think performance. What do you think? Yeah. That's performance. Yeah. Yeah. I think maps performance would do you really well. So I'll have Doug. Go ahead. That goes like reps and weights and it's in there. It's all in, all in there. No max out, but I'm just kind of curious. Like, am I lifting, am I too much weight? And like my body responds really well to a lot of volume.

And so I'm nervous about if I'm lifting the right way. So the program, and this makes me feel even stronger about recommending this program. So we're sending you a Maps performance. And I actually, what I tell clients when they go through this program, because it's performance-based, because we're challenging you in different planes,

there's unilateral work, I put all my emphasis on the form and technique here. I would much rather, even if you know, you're like, oh, I could do 50 more pounds easily here, I would say, slow the rep down, make it prettier. Like I would tell that when you're following this type of a program, I want all the emphasis to be put on the technique and making every rep look as,

like because you're a golf guy, you get this. Like approach your lifts in this program. and making every rep look as perfect. Because you're a golf guy, you get this. Approach your lifts in this program. Technique. Like you're approaching your swing, swinging your iron. Mastering the skill of the exercise. Yes, master the skill of the exercise over,

oh man, I know I could hit this further. I know I could put more weight on here. Approach it like the way you play golf and it'll serve you better. Okay, very cool. Well, thank you so much. A lot of your shows. Follow back up with us too, Steve.

I'd like to hear how it goes for you. So after you've been through a couple of months, hit us back up. What do you think? Like two months, give it. Yeah. Yeah. Give it. Yeah.

Go through the whole program. We'll take you. Yeah. Go through, go through. In fact, are you on Facebook? Can we set you up with a form so we can actually check up on you? I will send you, I don't do any social media, but I'll send you some results. OK, OK, cool.

Yeah, just update us. Send the email that you sent, and then keep us posted. And let us know. At least every month or two, let us know. Very cool. Thank you so much. Thanks, Steve. All right.

Thanks, guys. Bye. Yeah, he's got the athlete kind of muscle building. Bro, he's got his neck, his wrist, his cat. But he's guessing. You know, he's guessing with the food, right? Because we don't know, we don't know where he's at. I have a pretty good idea what's going on.

I mean, I think he's... Me too, but you know what I mean? Like he's saying, I can't go down, but we don't know. I think he has a very sedentary day, you know, and I think simply moving more. He's still strong. And then also giving yourself that freedom to not eat sometimes.

I know we, and it really, this is why it matters who we're talking to, okay? Then there's other body types where if they are missing the protein intake every day, just muscle comes off and just they get stuck. But a guy like that who looks like he's solid and easily can put muscle, hangs on a muscle, I'm less worried about if he has a couple days where we miss our protein. In fact, I'd rather him if he feels satisfied calorie wise. Hey, go ahead and not eat too much.

It's a natural calorie limiter. Yes. Our next caller is Jesse from New Jersey. What's up, Jesse? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on. This is surreal seeing you guys all here. I listen to guys every day.

Awesome. I don't know. How can we help you? Um, so I'm a personal trainer and a nutrition coach and, um, I have, I guess, a two-part question, um, I guess it was read off, uh, so I don't go off track, but, um, so I had a client for about, um, six, seven months now. She was really under eating and, um, she was at like a thousand calories or so. Um, she's just for context, she's 55 years old. There's about 5,000 steps a day.

Um, she was strength training a little here and there before, you know, she came on to me, but, um, long story short, she started around like 1100 calories slowly brought her up to the reverse diet. Did that took a couple of months when nice and slow because she was very fearful of eating more food but I told her trust the process. We need you to have more nutrients, more food, more protein, all that good stuff. So for the past six months, she's been following it to a T

plugging everything in through my Excel sheet. I've been able to watch her track even through quantum meter as well. We eventually got up to like 2,200 calories and she couldn't eat anymore. He was stressing her out. So I'm like, all right, let's let's stop that. And let's kind of bring you down a little bit because I don't want you stressing out.

She's like, I feel like I'm too full. Whatever. We got to that point. So we started to slowly burn her down. And I think her TDs are a 1900 2000 anyway. So I was glad we got her a little bit above there for some wiggle room. And then it looks like, you know, she's at about 165 pounds when she hit that 2000 calorie mark.

We've been slowly decreasing for the past couple of weeks and the weight really isn't coming off of her body. I kept reiterating that, you know, she's gained a lot of muscle and she's lost a lot of fat during this process, but it doesn't seem like she's fully understanding that process. And just to read you off a text to see it, to tell you what I'm dealing with and discouraging for me as well, because you know, as coaches, we want to be the best for our clients. We want to see them get results. But it's like, you know, I wish I could say I'm happy. The weight fluctuates. I understand that, but I'm not seeing the fat leave either. It's muscle and fat

all together. We have been decreasing calories for a month or so. And if I haven't seen any change in The weight fluctuates, I understand that, but I'm not seeing the fat leave either. It's muscle and fat altogether. We have been decreasing calories for a month or so, and I haven't seen any change in my body or my weight. It all looks the same to me. The clothes are fitting the same way. I am very frustrated. So the first question I guess would be, are we on track? How do I keep her on track?

And what are we doing in terms of the plan moving forward? Do I keep her on the 1700 caloric intake? I don't really want to bring her too much lower because we're not going to have too much to work with. And the second part is what blood work would you recommend if there is a hormonal imbalance or something that I can't even help her with? Yeah, I'm glad you asked that

because that was my next question is if you've done that with her, I would definitely make sure I would do that with her. I would do that anyway. Yeah. Have you done body fat tests with her too? She was very iffy about that because she's been through a bunch of trainers and she just didn't like the whole grasping part of her fat and she didn't even let me take pictures. So we pretty much only have this scale to go by.

Unfortunately. Yeah. I mean, I would try and encourage her to do like a hydrostatic way or something like that, or find her a place that she feels more comfortable with. Especially when you have a client like this that's, you know, and this is why I'd say, listen, normally I wouldn't mind you not doing it, but you're having a really hard time trusting the process going through this and I want to be able show you the the positive things you're doing and without having a Body fat test it's very hard for me to break those numbers on so that's one thing I would I would communicate the second would be definitely you know a 55 year old woman

That's struggling with this right now may be getting her blood work done a full panel So you just could have her go do a full blood work panel I also I mean join in the are you in the trainer forum by the way are you with us? Are you are you not doing now? I'm gonna I'm gonna do the I'm join in the, are you in the trainer forum by the way? Are you with us? Are you, are you not doing it? No, I'm going to, I'm going to do the, um, I'm not in the forum, but if you're talking about the coaching program recently, but I'm going to do that by the end of the year for sure. Okay. I'm going to be signing.

Good. Cause this is the type of stuff that we all talk about in the community, right? Cause this is actually very common that a lot of trainers get clients like this. And that's kind of why we built that is to support each other through this. Jesse, how long have you been training and coaching people for? Um, about four and a half, five years now. Okay. Four and a half, five years. So what you're encountering right now is the coaching part of your job, okay? There's a lot there we don't know and you're going to run into clients like this and you can't work around it unless you coach her

properly. So I don't believe that no changes have happened. She went from a thousand calories to 2000 calories. Did she get stronger? Yeah. Did she get more energy? She said it. She's always feeling tired and I've asked her those questions before. She said, you know, if anything, a little bit, but she's, she's tough with that. So the reason why this is hard is because you're allowing her to dictate the value of

what you're doing with her. So she's telling you, I don't see anything that's happening. Well, you have no retort because all you have is weight on the scale. You don't have a body fat percentage test that you could point to where you could say objectively speaking, you are wrong. What you're dealing with, what it sounds like you're dealing with, because to me, look, if you went up that much in calories, she didn't get a huge weight gain,

her strength is going up, you're moving in the right direction, but that's not the problem. The problem is she doesn't believe you. The problem is she doesn't trust you. She trusts her own belief system, which is already distorted. We know that she was on 1,000 calories for a long time.

So what you're dealing with is you're trying to argue and debate a distorted viewpoint and you don't have a lot of tools to work with that. Now had you had a body fat test that you were tracking along with her and had you pointed out to things like strength and this and that and the other, then you would have a better position to stand by.

But here's the thing, here's the bottom line. The bottom line is sometimes you have to be the confident one. So it's okay to tell her, look, I know what you're saying, but I'm going to tell you right now you're wrong. You need to trust me. We doubled your calories. Your weight on the scale barely changed.

You got stronger. If you cut your leg off, the weight's going to go down. Do you want to do that? No, I don't. You need to trust what I'm doing. Now we can test your blood. And I'm going to tell you right now, here's what I think is going to happen. You're not going to see much with the blood test.

I don't think you're gonna get a bunch of answers that are gonna be like, oh my God, this is the problem. I don't think that's the problem at all. I think what you're dealing with is the typical, I look in the mirror, no matter what happens, if the scale doesn't go down, I don't see any value. I don't see what's going on. Because you could put her on 1,000 calories,

she'll lose weight, she'll be happy, even though she feels worse and she's getting weaker. So this is the coaching part of what you do. she'll lose weight, she'll be happy, even though she feels worse and she's getting weaker. So this is the coaching part of what you do. You can't do what she's asking you to do because it's the wrong thing to do and this is when you need to have that conversation. We're definitely in a challenging spot now, but the thing that I want when I remember I'm helping my coaches is like, let's talk about how when this happens again, how we

avoid this. And this is where I talk about forecasting is so important with a client. And because, and right away when I get a client, and I'm sure when you assessed her, you kind of probably knew somewhat what you're probably getting into. I mean, I have a pretty good idea after, right? I think you-

Definitely, especially since she said she had a couple of trainings in the past and it didn't really work out with three or four. Okay. So you kind of knew, right? So let's talk about, let's talk about if we were to do this over again, how we would have started this with her

so that the next time this happens that you're ahead of this. When a client tells me something like that, and I kind of know she's gonna have this personality already and she doesn't wanna do a body fat test, I say, well, let me tell you what's going to happen. What's going to happen is I'm gonna slowly get you to increase calories, just what happened,

and I'm forecasting it. And then what's gonna happen, we're gonna go to reverse, or we're just just got to cut and you're gonna lean out, but it's not gonna be fast It's gonna be slow because what we did was we did a good job of building muscle on your body and we're changing your body composition But it's a slow gradual process and when you don't see the results fast enough and your clothes are filled out more because you've built Some more muscle and you're holding on to a little bit more water and some things like that that are totally natural, totally healthy, it's going to start to mess with your head. Now if you know that going ahead of time, I'm saying this to her, if you know that going ahead time and you're okay with that and you can trust me through this process, we're going to be fine. But what I'm telling you is going to happen is you're not going

to see something you don't like or you're going to feel a certain way and then because we don't have the data or numbers for me to show you that you're doing a really good thing, it's going really mess with your head. Now, I'm okay with that if you feel like you can handle that, but just know that that's what we're heading into by not doing our body fat test and us going pushing up these calories like that. It's gonna be messing with your head. I don't know this client of yours, but I'm gonna make a guess that she's struggled with weight for a long time, that she's been on and off diets for a long time. That she's been on and off diets for a long time. She's worked with previous trainers before and she's fired them for whatever reason

or didn't work out, right? So I would say to her, look, here's what we know. I don't know what her name is, but I'd say, whatever, let's say it's Susan. Susan, here's what we know. Here's what we know. Here's what we know, Susan. You've tried this many times.

You've struggled with your weight many times. This is a challenge for you, but not because your body doesn't want to lose weight, but rather you've done it the wrong way many times. When I first got you, you were eating 1,000 calories a day and you weren't able to lose body fat. So this challenge has nothing to do with our methods. This challenge has everything to do with changing your mind.

Now if you want to continue down this path with me, I'm gonna ask you to trust me. You're gonna have to blindly trust me. And then the second thing I'm gonna ask you to do with changing your mind. Now if you want to continue down this path with me, I'm gonna ask you to trust me. You're gonna have to blindly trust me. And then the second thing I'm gonna ask you to do is take your scale and throw it in the closet or throw it away. You're not gonna weigh yourself anymore. And we're gonna move forward differently than you moved before because we know what happens when you do what you've done before. What happens when you've done what you've done before? You fail. Do you want to fail again? No I don't. Then let's do this the right way. Unfortunately you have to have one of those conversations right now. But had wanna fail again? No, I don't. Then let's do this the right way. Unfortunately, you have to have one of those conversations right now.

But had you done what Adam said, it wouldn't have gotten to this point. But I think if you position yourself right, you may get her back on board. Because what you're dealing with is a distorted view, and you're not gonna win that by cutting her calories. Let me put it this way. You're not gonna win this with her

by showing her what she wants to see on the scale because that's the temptation for a coach. Temptation is you know what I'm just gonna cut her calories down to 1,200 so she could see it move down a little bit and then she'll be okay with it. That will make it that'll make everything much worse. It's gonna make everything much worse. It's not gonna help anything. Yeah. Exactly and that's what I don't want. That's why I when I messaged you guys it's like I know the route we're going and that's exactly where I don't want to go. You go to a point where you're so low, the quality life is so down, the energy is going

to be lower, no sleep, all that. But I've checked every metric, you know, her sleep, everything I possibly could. So I guess I'm going to keep her, I'm not going to go a little lower than 7,000, right? You stay on track for that a couple of weeks. Yeah. So I normally would someone like this too, like one of the things I do, I will drop her for a week or two just to show her I can move the needle if I want to and just to get,

to build that trust again sometimes. So I'll be like, hey, listen, I could cut you back down to what you were eating. We go right back down a thousand. I guarantee we'll drop pounds in the next couple of weeks, but that's not the goal here, right? And so I might do stuff like that just to show them that we can move the needle if I wanted to, but it's like what we're doing right now is like

to Sal's point, you've failed for so many times because you've done it the wrong way. The right way is that we do this slow, we gradually build muscle, we build strength, we build that metabolism up so that one day I cut you down to 2,000 calories and you drop in weight and that's very possible. It's also a snowball effect. You just finished reverse dieting her. It's not like you cut calories and the fat just comes off. There's a bit of a snowball effect, but I tell you what, Jesse, do you think you could get her on, uh, on with another episode like this?

Do you think you could get her on to where we can help coach her with you? Cause I would love to have you guys both come on and then we can talk with her and I can be, look, I'm not her coach. So I could be real blunt. You should be the nice guy. I could be the blunt person. So we are in. I don't know.

And you know, also it's, it's funny. Cause I was thinking that I'm like, I wonder if she would, you know, how she would feel if I'm coming out and asking you guys these questions and you know, putting this out there. But I think, I think she would be, and I think she'd be open for pretty much anything,

but I can reach out to her and say, she's a little more private. That's for sure. I was, you could maybe tell, but I can definitely run it past her say, she's a little bit more private. That's for sure. As you can maybe tell, but I can definitely run a passage. That'd be freaking amazing. Yeah, let's do it. If you can email us back,

we'll have you both come on. Yeah, we'll walk through the whole process for sure. But no, the biggest takeaway for me with this, because this stuff happens, right? And sometimes when you're this deep with a client and we didn't do things the ideal way, it's tough to get it back. And it turns into this argument or fight.

And then she just wants to blame you, fire you, go to the next guy and do the same thing. So the biggest takeaway when I'm coaching my coaches though is like- Forecast. Forecast, this is like- You gotta be a prophet. Yeah, learn from this

because you're gonna get another, this is very common. Like I've trained thousands, you know, thousands of exaggerate, hundreds of women that are like this. And so learning to be able to see it before and be able to communicate what you know is probably going to happen. Cause then when it happens, she's like, Oh, he told me this. Yeah.

Shit. He told me that. That's right. You know what I'm saying? He's talking about something to fall back on. That's a, that's a really great idea. A lot of this is, you know, online stuff too. Um, so how would that work? if I have a client I really never get to physically meet per se in terms of the body fat? Just tell them to go to a local place. Yeah, go to a local place. Get a DEXA scan or underwater way and then let me see it. And the biggest thing with those type of stuff is like just the consistency around it. So even

though I don't like the biopedics and the scale ones or whatever like that, but it's better than nothing, right? And if she did it at Friday mornings before she ate and did anything every single, or every month on Friday, that same time, same everything, then what we're- We start to see trends. Yeah, we see trends, and that's what we really care about. I'm not hung up that she did the digital scale

and it says she's 40% body fat and argue whether that's accurate or not. I'm more concerned that she did it at 40 this Friday and then four weeks from now, it's now at 37 and we're moving in the right direction or it went the other way and so I need to course correct. So yeah, I mean, there's you want to have these tools like this, especially online, especially when you have a client like this or you have to do a really good job like it's out alluded to, which is like, which is like you forecast for her and then you tell her things like you don't get to reuse the scale.

You don't just trust me and I've been doing this for a while. In my experience, people like this, like you're dealing with, if you forecast properly and then you maintain leadership role with a lot of strength and confidence, it's a relief. She's probably a bit of a control freak, and so when you do this, I've had clients like this before, and I'll forecast, look, this wouldn't happen, you're gonna feel like this, you're gonna question me, and then when we get there, I'm very confident,

I can be very blunt, and I always notice that they feel relieved, like, oh, I get to let go of this. All right, fine, you do your thing, and I trust you. And then it just, and then it works. By the way, Jesse, this was like, when we created our coaching program, this was the goal for us is because we felt that no national certifications, nutrition stuff out there.

This is the gaps I think we were trying to fill is that this is real shit that you get all the time. How do you communicate this and giving you guys the tools and the skillsets to work through these types of challenges. I just felt like no, no, we felt nobody was doing that in certifications. And so that was what ours, ours is not a bunch of like deep programming stuff. It's not a bunch of heavy nutrition stuff. Like you get that through all your other national certs.

It was this stuff right here. How to, how to have these conversations with your clients to be successful. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I can't, I can't wait to get in there. It's on my to-do list. I had a lot, a bunch of, uh, stuff going on my online training, just my checklist, but that's, you know, one of the next steps. And, uh, it's funny because a while ago I was listening to one of the podcasts

with you and you were asking one of the trainers, you have a prime pro or something and you've asked them and he's like, I hate it when they do that. So what I did, I bought all of them afterwards. I'm like, if I'm ever on there, they're not coming after me. And now it's funny. You guys have this certification that I didn't buy. So I got, I got myself, I do myself, but, uh, you can pay monthly on it too, by the way. We we'll get you we'll take care of you Jesse I'm

look forward to see you in there man and all right great question and hopefully we can get her on here and help you out too. That'd be great. All right thanks guys. All right I would love that I would love to have trainers bring their clients. I didn't even think about that as a cool option here I you know we'll put it out. Why not? Trainers if you want to bring a client on and we can all talk together. Yeah you got a challenge client or maybe that's something that we start to do in that forum Maybe that's something that we start to be a really cool thing like bring your bring your challenging client monthly It's actually kind of a cool idea a little hot seat

I know I didn't even think I know what this feels like we've all had a client Oh, it's a hunter when you get here and like oh, yeah, what do I do? You know, she doesn't believe me and and then online you see when you're in person at least when you're in person Like look I'm looking at you and I could tell yeah, you lost my fat but like like this it's like Oh, is she telling the truth? Like what's happening? Why isn't she responding? He's probably questioning himself Like I do one of those personnel as it just takes over, you know and it's like you don't like assert that and like you have like a very like ironclad plan that you're again forecasting you're creating the Vision like you you're very confident in your delivery they're gonna come in and totally

our next caller is Richard from Canada Richard what's happening on Richard good how are you man great man I just have a it's kind of a simple question the question is sort of stunned for myself but it's kind of a simple question. Um, the question is sort of stunned for myself, but it was more of a general question. Um, the question was how should someone feel during a cut if they're cutting appropriately to use your words out? Um, so I, I gave it a shot a little while ago and, uh, did it for about 10 days. Uh, and I felt like garbage.

So I stopped and, um, so I actually reached out to one of your folks there on your team, Margaret, and we went back and forth to figure out what it might've been. And we were looking, searching through your website, trying to find how someone should feel. We couldn't really find anything specific. So I thought maybe it'd be a question for you guys to discuss.

This is actually, Doug, put this down as a single topic. I like this. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I mean, even that just wording it that way. How are you supposed to feel on a cut? And why I like this, by the way, is because I think there's a lot of misconceptions. One of the ones that I like,

I think that there's this idea that you won't feel hungry, you will. But the point that you made about feeling like crap, that's normally an indication that it's too low. Yeah. Right, like that I'm either cutting too hard or I'm missing some essential nutrients that my body's trying to tell me it wants and needs.

And that could be a whole host of things. Like you could be deficient in something like vitamin D. Or your fat intake might be too low. Yeah, or you're not, because that's a good point. So I would like if that's a real common one is people cut fat because it's an easy place to cut calories, but fat is essential. And so you're by, because that's a good point. So I would like, if that's a real common one is people cut fat because it's an easy place to cut calories, but fat is essential. And so you're by, especially as a man, you're not getting enough fat. Your body will let you know that you're low on fat.

So typically the crappy feeling that you, you might've felt from being cut is your body trying to tell you one of those things, like, okay, it's either way too low or I'm missing something that my body really needs because I've reduced and you cut too much of it out. And let's find a way to maybe, because you could easily be not cutting too dramatically low calorie wise, but because like Sal said, you went way low on fat just by us maybe changing the macro profile a little bit, maybe lower the carbs a little bit, but then give you a little bit

more healthy fats that could make a world of a difference. So the difference. Yeah. Oh yeah. How did you cut your cut? Good, good, good intuition there, Justin. When you went on a cut, did you go low carb? What was your, what was your deal with that? So to be honest, so I didn't, I haven't tracked in a while. So all I did was listen, I, this is, I've run four programs from you guys. This is the fourth. Now I'm in map strong. Um, and so I added some calories in over the course of time listening to you guys. And so what I tried to do was took your guys advice.

And I've been eating three or four eggs with last night's protein, mix it all up and added salsa. So to cut, I took out the salsa. Um, and for lunch, I have a big ass salad with, uh, can salmon and sardines and, and oysters and stuff like that. I cut out half the olive oil I put on my salad and half the balsamic vinegar I put on my salad and a few cherry tomatoes. My little, uh, treat for myself after lunch is three Brazil nuts and two pieces of 95% chocolate. I cut out the Brazil nuts and the chocolate and the avocado I put on my salad and then for dinner regular you know meat, veg, potato, rice whatever and

I cut the carbs by half. Yeah it's fat dude. Well I'll tell you what try this just try adding some sodium to your diet. I think your diet's pretty low carb anyway. And the little bit of carbs that you were eating, you cut down. He also cut like all the healthy fats too. Yeah, he did. Just because this would be an easy solution, if this was the case, go back on your cut, add a couple thousand milligrams of sodium either in an electrolyte powder. We work with a company called Elementee.

So I've bought into that. I've got your Element element tea so I've been trying that here and there and it seems to feel good on it so okay so when you're in your cut you'd like to eat two of those drink two of those a day yeah so so here's how you know okay here's how you know if it's sodium and that will tell you're on your cut and you're like oh my god I feel like garbage would you feel like just fatigued brain fog the whole deal in fog yeah so our muscles they key okay so if that's the case could be low and you're like, oh my God, I feel like garbage. Would you feel like just fatigued, brain fog, the whole deal? Brain fog. Yeah, sore muscles, achy. Okay, so if that's the case, could be low calories too,

but if it's sodium, it's easy, because you'll take the sodium, you'll drink a couple packets of those, and within 30 minutes, you'll be like, oh my God, I feel a lot better. Then you know it's a sodium. If it doesn't really impact you and you don't feel better, you're probably cutting your calories too low.

The other thing too is that, you know, sometimes you cut your calories and then your training volume is too much for the caloric intake. So sometimes what you gotta do is also reduce the volume of your training. Like I can't train with the same volume when I'm in a cut, it just, I need more energy

than when I'm taking it. When you went through, I would love to, I mean this is also, when we get to this type of stuff, this is where I wanna be tracking and really digging in and be able to answer better. Cause actually your diet not cutting sounded really good. Yeah. Like, I mean, I don't know, I don't even,

the fact to be interesting to see what that is calorie wise, protein wise, because you're not eating bad food. I mean, you're a little bit of- I eat pretty good food. Yeah. Do you know where your calories are? Do you know where your total calories are at before and after I'd be, I'd be guessing. Um, when I was tracking a while ago,

it was sort of between 2,700 and 3000. Really? Um, you know, and, and I probably, if anything, I was probably hair light on protein and I probably more of 150, 50 grams of protein rather than 180 or 190. I probably need. Okay. Um, but I pretty good in general. I don't need you know lunch and stuff like that but part of my challenge is I'm a firefighter to I'm not sure if you have the email up in front of you or not, but so I Know sleep is an issue I just put my ring back on and I'm averaging over the last six weeks six and a half hours of sleep. Yeah

right That's tough. Yeah, so and why so hours of sleep. Yeah. Right. And that's tough. Yeah. So, and why, so why I want to cut so I, and personally, so my pants have gotten tighter around my quads and my butt. Great. But it's also a little tighter around the waist. Shirts a little tighter around the shoulders and arms, which is great.

But again, it's just a little bit of waist that's gone a little bit, a hair too much. And so I just want to cut it just a little bit but I don't just a little bit for vanity a little bit for the pants to fit right that's all. Yeah no wrong with that. Hey what's uh Richard what program of ours you said you ran four of ours what are you currently running right now? So strong right now I just finished week one of strong. So I want you to- sorry week uh week sorry week one of phase three. I want I'm gonna have Doug send you maps 15 that's what I want you to run. Advanced. Yep maps 15 advanced for you is a match, much, especially considering what

you just told us about sleep. Uh, you, I think what you're feeling right now, whether it's, it's one of the things we talked about either low sodium, low healthy fats, or just low calorie, all in general in a combination with training too hard with little sleep. So it's like, there's a lot of levers we have to play with here to improve what you got going on here. So one of them would be reducing the intensity and volume of training.

Maths 15 I think is gonna serve you very well right away right there. Obviously we wanna work on the sleep as much as we can. And then it's gonna be one of those things. Hopefully the sodium would be the easiest like fix in the New York. I think you're making good food choices. I'll tell you what, just from the data, okay, I'm going to over generalize, but just from the data,

when you look at the impact that sleep has on a person's ability to adapt, recover, build strength, muscle, the difference between a consistent six and a half hour night sleep and eight hour is probably 50% in terms of your ability to recover, adapt, build muscle and the like. That's how big of a difference just that one and a half hour every night makes. It's massive. It makes a huge difference. So if you can't fix that, we got to adjust everything else to meet your 50% of your capacity

to recover. So I think Adam is on point with MAPS 15. That's the program you should follow unless you can fix your sleep. And then the sodium thing, literally you'll know within 30 minutes to an hour if that's the solution. You'll add it to your water, drink it, do another one, drink it. And then within an hour, you'll know either you feel no different or you'll be like, wow, my brain fog is gone and I feel amazing.

Well then your sodium was probably... And the reason why sodium is a big deal, when your carbs are low and you cut your calories, your body gets rid of water. It just gets rid of water and you lose electrolytes anyway. And the side effects of that feel like fatigue, yeah, brain fog, just, you know, muscle cramps, of course, everybody talks about that.

Energy crash hard. Energy crash, you just feel like shit, you just feel like garbage. My recommendation would be to, first thing, when you get going in the day, is actually to make one of those elementy drinks, just pour it into your water jug or whatever you're doing for water, and sip on that all day, and then do another one when you work out. I think that's-

And salt your food, please. Yeah. Yeah. I think that- OK, good. I do add a lot of salt in my food knowing that I don't need a lot of carbohydrates are hardly any processed food so I do do that yeah but here's yeah but here's the deal you eat whole natural foods before

all the stuff you listed was whole natural you work out you sweat I'm sure I'm sure you sweat when you put on your fire you know gear on you're probably you're probably way under consuming sodium for someone like you. That's why I want to. Because you can salt the hell out of your food, and I've done this, I've added it up, and I'll salt my food, but because I don't eat processed food, it doesn't come out too much.

It's not like eating a fast food meal where you're gonna get three grams of sodium in your french fries, so it's probably low, but you'll know. It's like I said, you add this to your day, a couple, two or three packets a day, and then you'll know, you'll know within an hour, like oh crap, that made a big difference. But I do think Maps 15 advanced version,

I think that's the workout for you, and you'll know because when you follow it, you're just gonna get stronger. And then you'll know, okay, this is the right one. And trust the process, okay, with us too on that, because if you like things like performance and strong, which I see you've done, you got, I'm sure you're kind of a go-getter,

get-after type of personality, it's gonna feel like it's a lot less than what you're used to, but it's more appropriate for your body right now. And I think if you trust the, yeah. Trust us and trust the process, and I promise it'll serve you. Like, give it a couple, just a couple weeks, like three or four weeks in it,

and you should feel a positive increase. Totally. All right, thanks guys, appreciate it. You got it, man three, four weeks in it, and you should feel a positive increase. Totally. All right, thanks guys, appreciate it. You got it man, thanks for calling in. Appreciate it. Have a great day, thank you. You got it. I got a message actually, a while ago,

when we first started with Element. The keto flu, this belief that if you go low carb, that oh my god, you're gonna feel like garbage, and the reason why you feel like garbage is your metabolic system has to Adapt to use your ketones etc etc And we talked about element tea and we're like it's probably sodium and then I had somebody who was like oh my god I was a such bad test that keto flu and then she's like I took a packet of element tea and she goes 30 minutes later

All my symptoms were gone and I was shocked and I was like oh my god this was the problem. I personally had this experience you know the people I know have had this experience it's like kind of like one of those things it's like oh yeah I think of that now because it's it's definitely a factor. Everything he mentioned all his entire meal all of his meals was low carb without the cut. I mean he was I really would like to track and see because he's 195 pounds so he's not probably low. His calories are at that first his his bulk whatever or whatever his maintenance, whatever he calls his uh seemed low was seemed low. A salad for midday with with salmon and

something else like so sardines, avocado and yeah I mean and then a little healthy stuff but the calories were very high. Yeah so I think he so I think he's dramatically under on that. So there's, and I think he would have been better off. And then the sleep. And then the sleep, you had that in there while you're, yeah, for sure. Look, we have a guide, it's a free guide that teaches you how to squat like a pro.

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