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include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. All right. The data is clear when it comes to the more common forms of anxiety and depression, the kind that most people suffer from or that we see that is growing the things you can do naturally that will have significant impacts. According to data exercise, get better sleep, have good relationships, pray or meditate, have a better diet. Those have

significant impacts. They make you feel a lot better. Now why? Why do those work so well? Well it's not because it's like medicine where you have to give yourself something to feel better. It's because literally lacking those things causes anxiety and depression. In other words, you're not lacking an SSRI, you're not lacking a Benzo, you're lacking the things that I mentioned. So look at yourself. Do you feel anxious? Do you feel depressed? Do you feel sad? Maybe you need to look at your life and include the things that you were born to have in your life. That's why they make such a big impact. Any idea on the ranking or order of those?

Connections. Is number one. Yeah, connections, having good relationships, prayer is remarkably powerful for anxiety and depression. Number two? I don't know, I didn't rank them. You didn't sleep number two? I didn't rank them, but I did look at them individually.

Exercise has gotta be up there with the top. Here's the thing, which one's gonna be the most powerful for you is the one that you're. Most efficient, yeah. Yeah, most efficient. So here's what happened, right? So I was just doing some research on spiritual practices, anxiety, depression.

Now I couldn't believe the, I mean, this is actual data, these are secular sources showing just the impact on anxiety and depression alone, on how powerful it could be. And so I'm looking that up, and then I know the data on exercise, I know the data on sleep, I know the data on diet,

I know the data on connections. And then I, when you read these studies, what they say is as effective or maybe, and they say maybe because these studies don't go out for a super long period of time, they'll go out for six months or a year, as effective or maybe more effective than common antidepressant or enzylidic drugs. And it dawned on me, you know, the reason why you feel so good or better when you start exercising or working on the relationships that you have in your life or praying or you start working on your diet

and those kinds of things, is not because they're remedies, but rather because you're lacking them. In other words, the symptoms of lacking those important things that you need, you have to have in your life, is anxiety and depression versus medications. Medications, you don't lack them. It's not like they do a test on you, Adam,

and they're like, oh, you're deficient in Prozac. You need more Prozac in your life. Or oh, you're deficient in Xanax. We've got to give you some Xanax. Those medications are actually there to cover up and blunt the signals of something that you're lacking. It's really no different than having a headache because you're banging your head against the wall and they give you painkillers. So how would you coach to this? Would you coach for people to assess their own life, decide which one of these things are the most neglected

and go after repairing that or improving that, or the low-hanging fruit? Go after the one that you easily can impact and do right away. Like how would you- Great, that's a great way to position it. You know, as a trainer, I typically would go with the one

that the person felt most comfortable that they could start and maintain. Right, because I'm thinking, like the thought of when you were- Because you're right, the big ones, might be the ones that are the hardest for them. Right, like let's say relationships is like, they have none of those and that's definitely crippling them.

And they're introverts, it's real challenging. But that's also such a leap to make that move. When they could probably start prayer, they could probably start exercise. They could do some of these other things. So even though the friend one or relationship one may be the most impactful, it also may be the biggest hurdle to get over.

Yeah, what a great point, because that's how you train people, right? If you want to be effective at coaching someone, you have them take the step that they take first of the one that they feel most confident that they can take and that they can maintain, because you can build on that. What you don't want to do is set yourself up for failure

by taking a big step that you know, if you're honest with yourself, I'm not going to be able to maintain this. Let's wait. Let's hold off on that one. Let's start with the easier ones and build up. Plus, when it comes to anxiety and depression, as those start to get better, your capacity for taking bigger steps improves. Sometimes you're so anxious and so down that taking a step is so hard, right?

Like let's say you're looking at your life and like, okay, I gotta go to the gym. But man, I'm too anxious or I'm just feel too down. I don't even want to get off the couch. Well, then maybe start with something that you can implement now. And then you'll start to get the energy and feel the capacity to do the other ones, but it is remarkable when you look at the data, and because look, here's the fact, we're getting more depressed and more anxious, okay,

across the board. People are more anxious and depressed than we've been in a very, very long time. And keep in mind, we've been recording this for a little while, we've been through world wars, we've been through depressions, we've been through. Harder times, for sure. Objectively, right?

But what is happening right now, what's happening is all the things. Weer times, for sure. Objectively, right? But what is happening right now? What's happening is all the things. We're anticipating all these things. All the things that I mentioned are worse. Not better. Diet is worse. Activity is worse. Our connections to people is worse.

Placing a spiritual practice at the top of our life is worse, people are not doing that as much. Sleep is arguably worse because people are so distracted, have so much more to do, or wanna stay up to entertain themselves. Whereas back in the day, it got dark, nothing's on TV, what are you gonna do? Read a book, go to bed type of deal.

So the reason why we feel so crappy is because we need more medicines, because we're literally lacking stuff, lacking things that we're supposed to have. It's trapped in our mind and our body. A lot of this, and this is where exercise is huge for taking you out of your mind and placing in the body, also exhausting the body to the fact where it's working a lot of these built up tensions out.

Your mind itself, and why you mentioned prayer, why that's powerful is you're offloading a lot of these things you can't control. That's right. We're inundated with things constantly because our phones so connected to everywhere around the world that we're inundating ourselves with problems and things that we can't solve. And our mind still wants to solve it because it's just like a natural human inclination is to like, okay, well, how do we fix this? How do I do something about this?

How do I do it? And it's like, we're not taking the time to meditate about it, release it, place it on paper, write it out, so it's out. It's not in. Like we're just keeping everything in. Yeah, I would add too, that all those things that you listed, not only are we doing less of that,

but we also tend to replace it with something worse or something that's not healthy. Go down the list. Yeah, exactly. Go down the list and say, okay, oh, connection. So there's people that probably go like, what are you talking about? We have social media now. Oh, great.

So you think that this- It's artificial. ... this personal connection that we've lost in person with people, you think you still have one because you've replaced it with social media, this toxic, you know, comparing yourself to others platform, like horrible, you know, you're not working out what are you doing instead? You know what I'm saying? Not moving, eating bad food. Like, so go down the list. Yeah, go down the list. And not only is it bad because you're lacking those things in your life, but the things that you're probably choosing to replace that time or that effort for those things is also not healthy.

It's no, and if anything, what it does is it gives you this false sense of, well, you know, like for example, let's look at food. Food has changed radically. So you're like, I'm eating, but it's not the same. The food that you're eating is designed and engineered to be hyper palatable. And that's it. Nothing else. It's not designed and engineered to nourish your body. It's not designed and engineered to make you healthy. It's

literally because we have markets and you know markets are driven by consumers and look people we're really bad at getting what we need. We're really good at getting what we want. We want tasty fast food. That's what we want. We want food that tastes good. It's exciting to eat, it's like hedonistic, enjoyable. So all the money goes into that. Nothing goes into actually making it something that nourishes your body. And by the way, there wouldn't be much because the most nourishing foods are natural. They're not engineered. They grow or they run, swim or fly. So what we've done is we replace that. Friendships, you mentioned social media. Forget social media. Texting and even or they run, swim, or fly, right? So what we've done is we've replaced that, right?

Friendships, you mentioned social media. Forget social media. Texting and even calling in FaceTime is not the same as a real connection. It's better than nothing, but is it a replacement? It's not. They even show FaceTime will give you the dopamine, but you'll lack the oxytocin, right?

So you go down the list, what we're doing is we're all the, these mental effects that we're noticing, um, in all, in all age categories that we're noticing is a result of like, I mean, you know, what's funny if we, if we had pets that were exhibiting these same effects, we would be able to assess and we would be able to say right away what's going on. Like my dog is, is dog is going crazy biting the furniture or seams down. Any of his behavioral problems will be solved

by having him outside exercising. Yeah, what would be the first thing your vet would say? How often do you take your dog for a walk? Yes. Never, I keep him locked up in the household. Yeah, go take him for a walk. He'll feel so much better. Well, I put him in front of the TV at least for two hours.

Yeah, I show him videos of dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He should be okay, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's crazy to me, but it really dawned on me because I'm always making the comparison of like, and again, we're not doctors, and by the way, don't take yourself off medication.

You gotta go through your doctor, there could be some nasty side effects or whatever, but talk to your doctor. But you look at these medications and they're literally, what they are doing is they're like, oh my God, you have this natural state that we're supposed to live in, and now we're having all these terrible symptoms

because we're not living the way that we're supposed to. How can we make a drug or medication that helps blunt the signals? Because back in the day, those were signals that told you to do something. But so if you keep blunting them, you're gonna keep moving down that negative path. So it's an interesting conversation

I think that needs to be had. I have an interesting conversation to have with you guys that I did not even know about this. Are you guys familiar with Ashley Madison? Yeah. Yeah, come on. You guys knew what that was? We've been around for a long time. Yeah, where have you been?

Bro, I didn't even know that was a thing. Isn't that terrible? Isn't it terrible. Did you watch the documentary yet? No I heard about it before Explain so we gotta explain people might not know what it's it's literally a dating site for people to cheat Yeah for married couples married not not married couple married I mean married married people to go to have an affair. Yes, it's literally marketed as- That's what it says, isn't that their tagline? Yes, that is. Like, have an affair.

And did you know how long it's been around for? It's been a long time. That's why I was so fascinated. Did you know about this? I'd heard about it. Wow. I normally am the one who's up there. The whole premise of the entire company

was that they would keep your information secure and private. That did not happen. Yeah, so they got hacked, right? So that's what the documentary is about. What? Oh yeah, yeah. And so did it get released? Oh yeah, yeah, that's why they made a whole documentary

about this was because it went. So it went from like, it started, it was one of the first dating websites. So let me first explain. You gotta love human behavior. I know. Listen. I know, it leaned all into it.

Listen, as horrible. Let's make some money into this shit. Listen, as horrible as this, as horrible as this, it's really kind of brilliant. Of course it is. And this is how the guy who created it was like, so it was right when all the dating stuff was coming about. And the- So this was like what, late, like it was like 2012, 10, something like that?

Yeah, maybe even earlier. Yeah, it was- It's been around for a while. Yeah, so even before that, I think, I wanna say it was like 0, 10, something like that. Yeah, it was maybe even earlier. Yeah, it was. It's been around for a while. Yeah, so even before that, I think, I want to say it was like 06, 07. Yeah, they had like legit like commercials on TV. Oh, yeah. I didn't know the whole story.

So there's a whole documentary that's really fascinating. But the way it got started was this. So you remember when the dating websites came out, right? When it first started hitting like the, I don't even know the big names of all of them right now. I can't think of them. E-Harmony. Yeah, like E-Harmony's and all those, right?

So the guy who decides to create it, and the reason why he did it was what he noticed was 35%, I think it was 30 something, it was high, mid-30s, 35% of all all people on eHarmony and these sites were already married. Wow. And so he's like, Oh, he's like an opportunity. Yes. He goes, Oh my God, there's an alarming amount of people that are on these on their shopping

single. And so he's like, why not create? So it's absolutely brilliant to like, why not? He's a shit though. You might know, bro. You know, you're a terrible person. Imagine building a business. He's gone wild guy're a terrible person. Imagine building a business. Imagine a sales guy and a wild guy.

Oh, just same. I mean, it's finding a loophole in the way we've structured things morally, and like, we don't, a lot of times, we don't have a lot of morals, and so this is how something like this can happen in a free market. Now, the data, I would imagine,

the data on a website like this has got to be so valuable because of the black market potential, not black market, black mail potential. Yes. Because if you capture, imagine all these like, you can message them, hey, I got your info, I'll put it out there, you don't pay me. And the crazy ironic part about all that was,

I mean, so they marketed it and they promoted it as this like uber secure place. They had like these little, on the bottom of the website, like all these awards for security, some of that, none of it real. It was all bullshit. No emphasis on security. You know what, you gotta-

No emphasis on security. You have to accept that, because it's like this is a guy that made a website to help people cheat. You think he's not gonna lie to you too? Right. Why is he being honest? Yes.

Yes. I don't understand, it's not fair. This is a moral website. I know, and the thing- I'm so bad that I didn't like you. And by the stand, it's not fair. This is a moral website. I know, and the thing- I'm so bad that I didn't like you. And by the way, it still exists, right? So it's still around, even after all this. But I mean, millions, I think the last number

I'd seen it was up to, maybe Doug can look it up, was like 32 million or 27 million people that were on this thing. Have you heard the stories, by the way, of like husbands and wives running into each other on that site? Bro, there's some awful stories. I read an article about that. Like a husband was trying to find someone to cheat on.

Wife was, they matched. And they saw each other on there. Are you mad at that point? You can't be. There was some crazy, there was some crazy stories. Isn't the premise for that song, the cheesy song, what's the one that's always playing in tropical areas? Oh, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, look at that, 70 million. What's it called? Members? Yeah. The Margaritaville or something? Yes, Margaritaville. So when the hack came out, like the hack basically, it was someone basically saying, shut this down

or else we're gonna release everybody's information not even money motivated they didn't even try and blackmail for money they just obviously so now who do you think a hacker was you think it was a husband or a wife that got cheated on I think it was neither well I think was a dude I just think it was a dude who did it you know I'm saying like it was far as like the the I mean the most I don't know I don't know I don't know the hacking the community very well, but anybody who's ever claimed to be a hacker

that I know has always been a guy, so I don't know a lot of chicks that go around hacking computers, but maybe I'm whale. Have you legit met like a hacker person? Oh yeah, I had somebody who worked for me at 24 hour fitness that had, he hacked into the 24 hour fitness site one time

in front of me and showed me how he could change my salary right in front of me. Wow. Yeah, I was like, whoa. Of course I didn't take advantage of that. Afraid of what would happen, but yeah, no, I actually had a kid work for me that was a hacker. So my son's going to school for cyber security and he was telling me how,

he's like, never go on a public wifi. He goes, he's just learning this, but he's in this group in college of cyber security, and he goes, day one, they had us go onto the wifi, and then he cracked into all of our shit right away. He's like, it's so easy to hack into shit if you're on public wifi. He's like, never do it.

And he goes, and use a VPN. Do you use a VPN? I'm like, no. He's like, get a VPN. Yeah, he was telling me all stuff. Speaking of dating websites, by the way, did you guys hear that the, maybe the founder of Bumble did this whole presentation on the future

of these dating sites. Do you guys wanna know what it is? It's almost, it's sad, but again, brilliant. What's the biggest challenge when it comes to dating? Why are these dating sites so popular? Well, to meet them. Go up to people, talk to people. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. The first interactions is like the most awkward.

Right, it's gotta be, right? It's the most common. So what are they doing to hack that? What are they doing to cut the corners? This is actually brilliant, but also- Like you make a hype video of yourself or something like that? What is it? What is it?

AI will take your stuff and go talk to another AI for another person's site, and your AIs are gonna meet first and they're gonna connect and then introduce you guys. Yes. So your AI and Justin's AI will go out and talk to other AIs for example, or it's all the same AI or whatever and it's going to match you like they're matchmakers

in that sense and start the whole conversation. So you know what's hard? You know what, it was like that. This is a 92% chance of match with this. Well, here's the thing I wrestle with though. So I mean, I think in general, humans are really bad at selecting mates. I think that we, I told you guys that before,

we had this discussion that I think a lot of it is driven by lust and our insecurities and our trauma, right? So that I really think that we're already really awful in general, because I don't think a lot of people are self-aware enough to know about their trauma and understand the difference between love and lust. So we're bad already, right? So then you take this tool and you know all the data on arranged marriages, how successful they are, like 80% success rate, it's incredible.

And a lot of that has to do with the cultures and the parents and- And the support. Yeah, the parents are like- And how they view marriage. Yes, yes, and like, you know, I'm not trying to match your hottest match, I'm like, this person would make a good partner for you.

And so you get why that- How do you screen out the crazy? Right, well, so you get why that all works. So you imagine that that's how these algorithms are built, right? It's like, oh, somebody who's into these things is going to be compatible with these people. And so it's kind of crazy because it's probably better for a lot of people. A lot of people are probably really terrible at picking mates themselves and a stupid AI bot is probably going gonna do a better job. I don't know if it's, so here's where I go

on the other side, think of all of the, think of the learning process and growth process that comes from, just for men alone, just for men alone, to actually step out of their comfort zone, talk to someone, introduce themself, like you learn a lot as a young man. Listen, don't mistake my point as thinking that I think it's better or good.

It's more so I get it. No, but your point points to the fact that arranged marriages are so successful. Yes. Right, because you have, like, your family has your best interests in mind and they probably see you from an external view that's different than how you perceive yourself.

You know what's missing out of that conversation with arranged marriages, by the way, though? Here's the missing side of it, is that the people in arranged marriage cultures don't go out and date a lot and sleep with a lot of people. That's the factor, that's one of the factors that probably plays a role into why it's so successful. Is they're not going around hooking up

with a bunch of people, doing all this dating, and then mom and dad hook me up with someone. It wouldn't work otherwise, right? The culture is really about like, I don't really date until I'm ready to get married, and then we get matched. I actually have two friends where that's actually not true. Karan's an example of that.

He's a mutual friend of both Justin and I. He's from India, and his family, his whole life, he was supposed to be arranged marriage, right? He comes from a very like royal name. And he held out forever. He dated all kinds of like everything else, right? Outside of his culture and was pretty adamant about not doing that.

And then ultimately ended up going through it like, and he loves it. And he's happily married with kids and he's got himself. Well, the data on women is actually kind of interesting, that the more, there's some data that suggests that the more men that she's with, the harder it is for her to bond each time. So as she successfully is with more and more people.

Yeah, didn't Adam Lane Smith talk about that? Didn't he talk about that? Like some of the other people. Yeah, like even how the brain reacts to being with someone or whatever. Yeah, it starts to change, it makes it more difficult. So this whole notion of go out, test a bunch of people, see if this is, might be wrong.

And I don't know, I mean, I'm not an expert on this, but the data kinda suggests that if you look at kinda where society's gone with marriage and stuff like that. Yeah, well I definitely think that there's a lot that you can explore and learn about somebody without crossing that threshold too. It doesn't mean that I think. Or without looking at someone like they're just there

for your fun enjoyment. I think there's a lot of value in dating different types. I mean, honestly, the most valuable thing about, in my opinion, about being with multiple partners before you get married is actually the learning process about yourself. It's not the experience. You gotta be a growth-minded person. Yeah, right, right.

Or else you- Otherwise you make the same damn mistake. Yeah. Every time. And that brings me all the way back to the original part of this discussion, is that does this AI pot thing improve what the relationship finding for a lot of these people?

I just think that we're so bad at that and so stuck in our trauma lust that we can't look past it. You're gonna write a book, aren't you? Yeah, it's there for the taking. If you can figure that out of how to perfectly match based on their psychological profile. And then also genetic lineage. So did I tell you guys this? Okay, so Katrina's into the whole, what's the show that you guys watch too? The Blind Date, what's it called? Oh, oh God.

Love is Blind? Love is Blind? Yeah, Love is Blind. So did you know that the original one, the first episode, and I don't think it's Love is Blind, I think it's one of its counterpartners, these stats are from, so don't quote me on it, Love is Blind, it's the other one that's like this.

But the show was incredibly successful, like six people are still married to this day, but it had little to no views because it didn't have enough drama. Oh, so they had to put it. So when they, so when they cast people now, so going on from season two on, it's gone viral. They, and I told Katrina, I, I speculated this before she read the article and found out about normal people who's going to watch. They intentionally put the trauma less people together. Like they go, here's his trauma from childhood. Here's his MO for the type of girl that he's not supposed to be with

that he goes for. Let's go find exactly her and put her in the in the group of people. So they intentionally go and find people that these people are still that's so terrible. So the show originally had some good like a good idea. Like, hey, let's try goals- Yeah, but the goal is to get views. I know, I know. I mean, the goal of the show is presented is to help people, his love is blind, and can you help people get married off of-

I mean, you guys know the story of the original first reality show was The Real World on MTV. And the first season- I know, it wasn't enough drama. No, they were normal, regular people. It was about them understanding everybody's differences and being like, oh wow, we actually have a lot more

in common than I thought. And that was like not good enough. No, then they brought it back in the second, third season and on. They brought crazier and crazier people, got way more views as well. Speaking of crazy, I gotta tell you guys, my three-year-old man, I had this conversation with my wife.

I said, honey, your language needs to change in the house because our three-year-old,, I had this conversation with my wife. I said, honey, your language needs to change in the house because our three-year-old, you know what he said to me? He already said about me. About you? He's talking about you? Yeah, dude, he got mad. I don't remember he got mad. I think he took his baby sister's toy or something

and I said, oh, you can't take her toy. Give it back and he got real mad. And he walks off and I hear him under his breath and he goes, you're just a goddammit shit. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Oh boy, you heard it though. Yeah. Oh no, I've heard it more than once now. Oh wow. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And we don't react. The old bar silk, man. We don't react because it'll make it worse.

Sure, sure. I don't want him to know the power of these words. He just experiments. And you're right, this is not a conversation to know the power of these words. He's just experimenting. And you're right, this is not a conversation with him, it's a conversation with who's saying that. Oh yeah, and she knows. She knows, and this is like the one thing that she has a challenge with,

a real big challenge with around the kids, her language. But it's hilarious that he used it almost right. You know what I mean? He's like, words kinda. Oh wow. He's a goddammit shit. And you know, part of he wants to laugh cause he's little. Yeah, of course.

But it's not gonna be funny soon though. He's getting older. No, no, no. Like, oh, this kid bro. It's wild how, isn't it weird too, how like certain things, how not only do they pick them up, but it's like, it doesn't take many times. You don't even have to be someone like,

I mean, maybe she does a lot, but I mean, you don't have to like someone like, I mean, maybe she does a lot, but I mean, you don't have to. Like sometimes like the novel thing, they just pick up on it and then they remember. And it works both ways, good and bad, right? Like I told you, I shared this story with you about, you know, the Schaeffers never give up. Like he's now inserted that several, yeah.

And I've only had that conversation one real hard time with them and it's made an impact. So it's funny how certain things hit them away where they're like, that's there, and it's ingrained. Well, I'll tell you something else that we noticed is that when you get little, obviously, when they're young, when kids are young, sharing is a tough concept.

They don't really get that until they start to get past three and a half, four. But before that, it's either mine or it's not mine. So it's just they don't fully grasp this concept. So when my baby, my youngest, would take a toy from my three-year-old, he'd get real mad and do the whole thing. But we would try to empathize with him,

like, yes, that's your toy or whatever. So anyway, you know what's happened now recently? It's working. It's the long game, but it's working now. This has happened now a few times. She'll take something from his, he'll get mad, and we'll say, you're right, it is yours, buddy. You just let us know, we'll make sure.

And then he pauses and he goes, it's okay, she can play with it. So it's now starting to show the fruits of that. Yeah, that work is starting to show now, where now he wants to give her things, he wants to help her out. But it took a little while, because at first your instinct is to be like,

no, she'll have it, dude. You know, give it back to her or whatever. I'm still, I'm struggling with the, you know, the opposite thing with my son with this. So we were out with family out in Seattle, and you know, this is like the big side of my family. This is the one where my cousin, you know my cousin Stephanie and them,

they have like, everyone's, they have like four girls, they all have, you know, four kids or six kids. Like there's a ton, so there's a ton of us out there, right? Which is great, and this is the first time Max and I are out there visiting with all of them, and we had a huge house full of kids and adults and everything, but you know how my son is, it's like, that gets a lot.

The first day we got there first and early, and it was just like literally him and my- That's a lot of people. Yeah, well originally it was just him and like the little, my one little niece and they're just two peas in a pod. I think I might have sent you guys a video, I don't know. I posted I think on his Instagram of them playing

and just, oh they were great. I was like, oh this is so awesome, this is gonna be so great. And then like the next day was like when everybody gets there. And so now it's a little more chaotic and now he's a little more standoffish. They live on a farm and so we're outside and we went and went to the chickens and got some eggs and we let him and two of the kids like

carry some eggs back up so he's carrying eggs and they're like I'm talking with my cousin's husband right as we're walking back up the house so him and I are in conversation the kids are like kind of chasing each other and having fun and they live in a farm, so there's rocks and dirt and gravel. And they're chasing each other. And my son's got the egg, and he slips and he falls on the gravel. Egg breaks, and it's just like, oh, man. Trouble.

Oh, yeah. Cross ball. And he got shot. OK, buddy. I mean, we didn't even break blood. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But he fell on gravel, so granted, it probably hurt. But it was like that made him emotionally weak.

And then from that point on, the rest of the day, everything was overly sensitive. You know what I'm saying? He slipped trying to grab something. And it was like, oh. He had shrunk to the ground. Oh my god. And he's playing with these two girls, these two, my two nieces that grew up on farms.

So they're the opposite. They're like fall, hit their, hit their, yeah, their face with like a stick, like, oh! They've been there. Wipe it off and they're like, keep going. And here's my son who's like trying to climb the ladder and he's having a hard time doing it. And he like stubbed his finger a little bit.

Oh, I'm just breaking up like, oh. No, you gotta validate it. got to validate it. Eventually he'll and that's that's it. You know thank God everybody else is like. You don't want him to think is that having feelings is wrong. No no no no no. He never I never would tell him like he don't cry or anything like that like he can't do that like okay it's okay you're gonna be okay buddy we're fine you know so I get all that. It's just, and that's, I guess, the inner struggle as a dad who wants him to be tough and resilient is, and then also not wanting to crush that spirit of him

because then the flip side of that is like, oh my God, he's, everybody loves him because he's the most sensitive and loving and- He is such a great kid. He is, and he'd well behave and he doesn't throw tantrums and he doesn't break things. And so he's like everybody's kid. He is, and he well behaved, and he doesn't throw tantrums, and he doesn't break things, and so he's like everybody's favorite kid because of that, but then he's just like,

God, but if we're doing anything, he rough and tumble playing physical with us. It's like, oh God. So, whenever Aurelius gets hurt or has something or whatever, and he's with his mom, he really like, she'll validate it, she'll validate it,

she's really good at this. And me, I don't get mad, but sometimes I laugh because he acts it out so much that it's hard not to like. So he had a little scratch on the bottom of his foot. We had a great day, we were playing outside yesterday all day and he had a little scratch on his foot. He's like, mom, look at my foot. He's like, oh.

So the rest of the day, he's crawling on the floor. He's rolling around like he can't walk, right? He just wanna walk. Oh, it hurts so bad and she's really good it's okay honey I love you you know does it hurt or whatever and I'm like I have to like leave the room cuz I'm like crack it up because he's the way he's acting it out he's literally like with his arms dragging himself he won't work. Well, you know what phase you guys should be coming up on

that we're still in, which I had the other, because of all this stuff that happened again, is the band-aid phase. Are you in the band-aid phase yet? Oh yeah, you gotta cover. Where are you? Like everything needs a band-aid. Yeah, just because the band-aids are cool,

you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, we're getting in bed the night and he's just like, daddy, I need a band-aid. I'm like, where? He's like pointing his knee at me. There's nothing there, bro. Look, if you look real closely, like there's a little tiny little red dot.

Do we really need a band-aid for this? Yes, Daddy, I need a band-aid for that. Like, okay, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, he's all band-aided up. It just wrapped up. It's over. Like not a single like real cut on him. Just a little bunch of little red marks.

We had such a great day yesterday. So what we did, oh, I gotta tell you guys, man. You know what I did? I haven't done this in a while, I took Ned's Brain Blend with caffeine. I took that this morning just now. What, it's such a great, it's. I like the combo. Okay, so.

Yeah, perfect combo. So caffeine, everybody knows what caffeine feels like, picks you up. The Brain Blend is cannabinoid based, so it gives you this euphoric, kind of like, feel good feeling. You combine the two and it's like, good time. You feel great.

It reminds me of a similar feeling, I don't know if it's in it, you have to tell me, but I remember when we first started the podcast, you introduced me into utilizing theanine with caffeine. And I just really like that mellow, like feeling. It doesn't bring down the effects of caffeine. No, no, you have just as much. It makes it a happy, smooth.

Yeah, it makes it smooth. It gets rid of the come down and it gets rid of any sort of anti-jitter, anxious feeling that caffeine could cause. It just gives it like guardrails. It's like, okay, we're gonna go too crazy. So does the Brain Blend have the, you know? Brain Blend has herbs in there that help with brain function, and it also has a cannabinoid blend.

So cannabinoids are what we find in the hemp plant. And it's got higher levels of cannabinoids that are more wakeful, that are better for, but yeah, the combination feels. It reminds me of that. Yes. So it's okay, it's a good distinction. So here's why, so yesterday, here's what we did, right?

So it was a sunny day yesterday, and we did, it was such a great investment, it's the stupidest thing, it was such a great investment. I told you guys, we bought a little kiddie pool and we inflated it, filled it up with water, we put it in the front yard and we got these nice cheapo lawn chairs that you can lay out in.

And I told Jessica, we got back from church, I'm like, she's like, what do you wanna do, what do you wanna do today? I'm like, let's hang out in the front yard and drink. She's like, okay, so I went to Bevmo and I got like, I got like margarita mix and I got all these like different fun drinks. I like to, like, I'm not a big alcohol drinker,

but I will try different things, I find that fun. As long as it has bright, vibrant colors. 100%. What do you think all the drinks I got were? Can you tell the audience how funny it is when we go places with all our staff, and we're in groups of 10, 12, or more people? Oh, they always think my drink is broken.

And they come over. And Sal is the most jacked right now, right? And he's always got an extra small shirt on, so his arms are all popping out, veins everywhere. So he's like, rah! And they come over with all the stuff. And there's always a drink with an umbrella, or pink, or bright yellow, he's like, and they come over with like all the stuff. And there's always like a drink with like an umbrella or pink or like bright yellow and stuff like that.

And it's the funniest thing to watch the waitress try and figure out who it belongs to because it's definitely not, she does not assume it's him. And so she's always like, uh, who's this for? Like that guy right there, the big buff guy. The sugary one. Yeah, one that's delicious. So anyway, we were out there all day out in the sun, just having a blast, man. We were playing music, and the kids were playing in the water, and we're just sitting out there, and I'm ordering Door Dash

while we're just having a great time. It was such a great day. I love that. And I think that I brought it up last time we talked about this was that the blow up thing that I did, I thought that was one of the best investments I ever, I mean we've already got, this is we're on year two. I looked into it, those are great.

They're not, they're reasonable for what you get, you get this massive setup. Yeah, use it every summer, why not? And he will play on that for hours. Hours on that in the sun, wearing them out, like no it's. Yeah, so we're out there and we're hanging out and of course my son's like, I gotta pee. So Jessica's like, you should retort him.

You can pee outside. We gotta see this kid though. You gotta see what he does. He walks over to the side of the front yard. Now we have all these bushes in front, so it's super private, okay? But he walks over to the corner or whatever and he pulls his little swim trunks down

because he's bare naked and he starts peeing but he loves to like, let's see. Just paint stuff with it. Everything, and he's, I'm watching him from behind, I'm dying, because he's, wow, wow, wow, you know, he just all over the place. Sprinkler mode.

What's he doing? He's just having a blast out there. Dude, speaking of that. I haven't peed like that in a long time. Oh my God, you just remind me something that happened last night. So, Max has been trained to like, you know, when we, especially when it's bath time or what that like he comes over and we pee together, right? We've been doing it since he was a little

kids. I've taught him how to pee and shake and do all those things. And so, and sometimes he'll just kind of like side bust me when I'm like, I'm being, I'm not like, because he, it was time for his bath and I went to the, I'm in the bathroom and the door's open and I'm just, I'm standing there peeing and I'm wrapping up and he sees that I'm doing it and he had already gotten naked for the bathroom. So he comes rushing over to, you know, grab his and start peeing right next to me. Cause he always wants to, I want to pee on top of yours or I'm going to win. But I'm like mid shake. And so he comes running up to do it and he's like, Oh daddy got in my eye. do it and he's like oh daddy got in my eye. I said well buddy you gotta be you can't just come running up head first. You gotta learn dude. It's alright it's a learning process.

I died laughing because it was so unintentional you know what I'm saying. I was right in the middle of it. Hey son I was like you know daddy's in the middle of, like probably not a good time to stick your head in there. Oh my God. These are stories he's gonna love to hear. Oh God, yeah. When he's like 14. I almost forgot to just said that. I was dying laughing that it happened.

It's a good time. I was reading some studies on peptides over the weekend, fun reading or whatever, and one of the peptides that a lot of our listeners use quite a bit when they go through our people is Tessameralin, which have you guys been on it? Do you know it's number one? I've been on it before.

Is that the tough one? Yeah, I didn't even tell you guys that, so I didn't know if you knew that. It makes sense why it would be the tough one. When we had the meeting with Transcend, I asked them, I said, hey, what are, and I actually was surprised, I didn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have thought that. So it makes sense because if your goal is build muscle, burn body fat, sleep

better, speed up recovery, improve cognitive function, improve your immune system, getting optimal levels of growth hormone will do all that. That's what growth hormone will do. And so what Tessa Maryland is, is it's, it tells your body to produce more growth hormone will do all that. That's what growth hormone will do. And so what Testimeralin is, is it tells your body to produce more growth hormone. Now the reason why these peptides are so great is because you're not gonna produce so much growth hormone that you're gonna get like side effects or whatever.

What it does is it gives you the growth hormone levels you had when you're like 18 or 19. So anyway, I've been reading all these studies on it. And it's one of the few growth hormone releasing peptides that's been shown to burn body fat, build muscle, and also reduce visceral body fat. So they'll actually change the way your body stores body fat in some cases and reduces visceral body fat. And is that just purely, because all those same things

are what you get from a higher or more optimal level of growth hormone, right? So it's not like, I just want to make that clear so the audience understands that it's not like Tessa Morland does this, it's that- of growth hormone, right? So it's like, it's not like, I just wanna make that clear so the audience understands that it's not like Tessa Morland does this, it's that- The growth hormone. Yeah, it triggers you to uptick your growth hormone,

a healthy, optimal level of growth hormone will do all these things. So Jessica's been using it now for a little while, and I've been noticing that her skin looks, I've been telling her, like, you look, like something's different, you look different, what's going on, you look younger, it's gotta be that. Yeah, the growth hormone goes up,

your skin starts to look younger. Skin and hair and all that, yeah. Hair, nails, all that right away. Nails, I got something for you guys, I just saw this. Target has now got like an AI robot manicure thing. Look it up, Doug, look this up. Put in Target AI manicure. Put it up, Doug. Look this up. Put in Target AI manicure.

Put your hand in. Yes, yes. Like, what if it's like the RPM's starting to get out of here? I mean, I saw that and went, oh my God, that is. It sharpens too much. I mean, I don't know about your wives, but that's like a much bigger expense than I realized that we have in our family.

Yes, like my wife is very particular about her nails always being up to par, and if one breaks, you gotta go redo it and it's like The one service your wife like can't is there is it hurt? Is that for her manicure? No What about that would be eyelashes? Okay, if you ever notice you've never seen Katrina not with her eyelashes Okay, Jessica that is a big Jessica's massage. She gets a massage. She'll cancel all that shit instead and keep massage Oh for Katrina's. Oh, yeah. no, she will not be caught dead anywhere without her eyelashes done.

So eyelashes and then probably manicure will be. And throw Courtney into the bus, she gets Botox or none of that. That's really? Yeah, he totally threw her into the bus. That's her thing. Yeah, it's like, she likes it. Target's nail painting robot in action.

So it's a nail painting robot. Yeah, yeah. But it doesn't manicure your nails. No, yeah, watch. It's nail painting robot in action. So it's a nail painting robot. Yeah, yeah. But it doesn't manicure your nails? No, yeah, yeah, watch. It trims them, does the whole thing to it? Well, I don't know if it does the trimming or not. Cause I'd be worried about that, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Oh wow, that's all, you can book it all like that too. I mean, the reason why I brought it up is, of course, because it's- But does it also talk to you while it happens? No. As your family. Yeah, but you know, this is a really- It's so pretty, you know?

It's so pretty. This is such a big industry and it's not cheap. And so what a disruptor. And there's gonna be a ton of people that, you know, they don't care as long as they have some sort of nail, like nails done, it's better than not. And obviously everybody's gonna have their, their favorite nail lady who does the best work.

Oh, look at that. Yeah, it's like a laser. What is that? I don't know. I get a little scared though. Your finger's tied in there and the machine's about to go. Pssssssss and making sure Justin. Almost in sleep mode. That's crazy. I know. Yeah. You want to hear a crazy story? A really crazy story? Yeah. More crazy than the nails?

Way crazier than that. So I have a sister-in-law that's a nurse and she works in, like I could say, she works in Vegas and she works in the like I could say, she works in Vegas, and she works in the ER and stuff like that, and so she's constantly telling us stories. They always have the craziest stories. Bro, some of the stories she says are so, I'm gonna repeat, because they're so depressing, so crazy, so whatever, and some of them are just,

what, what happened? Yeah. Always something that makes its way in the butt. Like how did it, yeah, that's a thing. That is true. So your whole category. Or ER, so I did an ER nurse before and it was so bad, Sal,

that I had to tell her, you had to stop telling me about your job. I can't hear about it anymore because the negativity and the stuff that she would see her go through, there was never like a good positive night. Like there's, even if there was like a good story where someone got saved,

there was too many negative stories to counter that. So it's like you can't, I would have to tell her, I'm like, you can't tell me about your night. Like you just had, I'm sorry. So this, so she's, this is all in one night apparently, but one woman was in labor and they had to kick out her boyfriend because she was giving a blowjob to him

while she was in labor. Wow, what a champ. Yeah. Wow. What a champ. What a wife. That's a real lady right there. No, no, boyfriend, it was a girlfriend Wow. What a champ. What a wife. That's a real lady right there. No, no, boyfriend, it was a girlfriend thing.

Oh, oh. Now do you think she did or do you think he convinced her? Like, babe, you know what helps with those contractions? You know what, really well taken away. You know what, let's take your mind off of what's happening right now. I don't know, would you, I mean, I'd be worried. You know, like, she's, you know, she might clamp down.

Wait, wait, she's having contractions. She was giving him a blowjob. While she's, yeah. Yeah, that's what I said, what a champion. She's a champion. Yeah, well, yeah. That's awesome. There's that mythical theory of the orgasmic birth, right?

I've heard of that. That doesn't make any sense. Come on. Anyway, they had to kick him out. Another one, this is just a run of the mill, this woman got this huge Uber bill because she delivered a baby in the Uber on the way to the hospital,

so she had to pay for all You imagine being an uber driver And she had like right when they got the hospital So messed up the whole car. Oh my god. Yeah, that would scare the shit Oh my God. And had to. Yeah, that would scare the shit out of me. Dude, that's crazy. I know.

Isn't that hilarious? That is. I have a totally off topic subject. So you know the Bluetooth thing, like when you're connected, what problems can happen as a result of that? Well, thankfully, it wasn't like what you would think immediately. It was not as bad, but it was bad.

Like Everett was sleeping, and so his iPad died or whatever, and which we usually run like white noise through. So I was like, I'll connect my phone and then put it on the Bluetooth speaker in his room to have still had access to it. And it was going through and I was just like out kind of scrolling and checking something. I actually hung it up, but then I was like scrolling

and it landed on, I follow these like metal pages and it like started playing. In the middle of the night? Death metal. Like he woke up like, ah! Like opened his door and was just like, dad! I was like, oh my God, I totally forgot, like completely.

You're right, you're right, that could have been a lot worse. Yeah, so I was like, at least there was a high pitch moaning. Poor kid. But yeah. So it's like white noise. I feel bad. And then, wah, wah, wah, wah. Well, the whole weekend, we didn't get great sleep at all. We were all kind of like.

Oh, you were in Salt Lake, right? Salt Lake for their competition. This was like to get them to qualify, their last opportunity for the nationals is like the one where it's like for everything. And so, uh, neither of them had qualified from the previous meets. Uh, so Ethan did one event. Uh, but now Ethan's like, he's got two events he's qualified for. He did really well. Uh,

but Everett was like, this is last year and it's confirmed. He's not doing gymnastics again. It's funny cause all the parents and everything, they kind of found out and they're all like, like, no, you can't leave. He's good. He's really good. The coach even was just, and I love his coach. He's a great coach.

But he's just still trying to be like, you know, it's a real bummer. He's trying to tell me and express how talented he is, and especially one of the events, and could go far with it. But he's just not into it anymore. Uh, but you know, our whole thing and like you guys have that kind of same with your family and ours is like not quitting anything or like doing it to the very best that you know, you possibly can do. And I'm like, we're not, I'm like, you're,

this is your last opportunity. Like, and you didn't qualify, like we need to qualify and, and you you know we're having this little pump pump up talk and he didn't qualify for the trampoline and like it was all down you know the first day and I'm just like ah you know we were all kind of like bummed and then he just was like all of a sudden got this spark and was like I'm gonna qualify and like Courtney okay like for a double mini is this last event. And we're just like on pins and needles in the front and like all the parents that were in the gym are behind us and we're all just like kind of cheering them on. And then he just like killed it.

And then he qualified. Wow. Yeah. Super pumped at the jump. The double jump one you run, it's the one where you run to the trampoline that's kind of angled. And you hit it, you jump, and then you do a double jump flip off of it. Oh, wow. But so it was, and every kid there

is like super talented at the top of their class. And so he was just like, when he just found this like mental focus, like just that came out like out of nowhere. We were like super. It's got to be so all, all performance is mental, so mental, but that's got to be so mental because the confidence required to land something like that. Like if you're off just a little bit, I could imagine now like everything, everything just unravels. If you don't know, as a dad, is there, uh, is, is there a follow-up conversation that you have after that, or is it just celebrate his hard work and win?

Did you talk to him afterwards? Yeah, no, I told him. Yeah, it was mainly like you see the results of this and when you're that focused on something and you're putting that kind of effort and attention and you care. Like when you care about something like that, look what happens as a result of that. It's kind of on that line of conversation. But he understands, he's just burnt out

and it's not his, he's never really felt like this is his sport and he wants to find other ones. So that's kind of been a hard thing because I'm like, you're in it now, so you got to maximize. Yeah, but still what a cool lesson, right? A lot of times in life, we're going to have things that we're not really into or like that, but you still put your best effort.

Yeah, and look what happens. Exactly. So just to paint the context a little more, what does their training look like? How many days a week are they going and how many hours is it? Because sometimes five a week, you know, because especially leading up to competition,

they have to like... And how long are they there for? Hold it on the skill. When they go... Three, four hours. Okay, so see this is what people understand, is that if you don't have a passion for this, it sucks. It's a lot.

It's a part-time job. Yeah, it's more a commitment than baseball and all these other, which baseball is crazy, you know, when we were doing that when they were little but because of the travel and then too but Again, and they have to go to all of these other gym locations to learn new skills and then they level up and so the whole leveling up process I guess I call it mobilizing but Like some of the kids never mobilize, you know, and they stay at this lower level. And then it's like, the parents are like,

well, do we stay, you know, in the sport? Do they keep going? That's what I love about this sport though. There's no like participation, oh, well you did great, so we're gonna give you this. Like you stay there, you don't move forward unless you literally do it. What signs do you look for in your kids,

cause they're young, what signs do you look for for over training? Cause that's young. Uh, what signs do you look for for over training? Cause that's like, that's so much training. It's so physical. Yeah. Um, like what should parents look out for? What do you look at in your kids? It's a tough one. I mean, it's, it's really, it's a lot of the nagging

pains and, and, um, fatigue and like, uh, you just look at their mood. Yeah. Their mood is a big indication is, is especially in the middle of the day, and we're trying to get them. They're just like, I know if they're training a lot, they just, they're very slow to do anything.

You know, and like, I've had, yeah, I've had some where I pulled them out of practice, because I'm like, you know what, you could, like, it's a lot. Like, I know that you need to rest up, and it's usually based off of small injury that's like kind of borderline, and I'm like, we need to like recover.

I was having this conversation with my brother, now he's not a kid, he's a grown adult, but he was, he's like, man, I just today, my ass is kicked, I'm laying down on the couch, I did jiu-jitsu for three hours, then I went on a run, I lifted the weights, and he's like, I'm just floored, but I'm like, listen bro, I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, dude, I'm like I did jiu-jitsu for three hours. Then I went on a run, I lift the weights and he's like, I'm just floored, but I'm like, listen bro, I'm like, what are you doing?

Yeah, dude, I'm like, you know how much better you would do if you trained less? If you just trained less, you would do so, so I was having this conversation with him and I had to, the way, the way we're getting around it is he's gonna, he agreed, he's gonna start training, I was, I had to really sell it to him, I had to explain it to him, like, your performance is hampered because you're training

beyond your body's capability to recover. So the two things he's gonna do is one, he's gonna cut his volume way down. So he's gonna lift weights once a week now, and he's gonna do jiu-jitsu three days a week. Whereas before he was trying to do six, seven days a week, trying to do everything. Every day he had to do something.

So three days jiu-jitsu, one day lift, three exercises, I said he're just gonna do three lifts, and now he's gonna incorporate plunging. He's gonna incorporate cold plunge. Yes, because, and I did tell him, it will help with recovery, but it is not a magic, it isn't magic. Like, the most important thing is that you sleep

and then you take that time off. You see that they have a, it's a great discipline if you can keep it up. They got a new model from the, Park City Hub, which by the way, you didn't get to stay from the park city house. Which by the way, you didn't get to stay at the park city house. I know, I'm so, I wanna slap myself. He had a chance to stay at his own house.

I couldn't even go anywhere other than across the street. We stayed at Hilton and it was like, we literally stayed at the convention center every day. So we have all these cool amenities at the Salt Lake House or the park city house and you haven't even got a chance to use it. So we have like the, you know, their plunge has a top of the line sauna. We have that inside the garage.

We also have their top of the line of extra large cold plunge, but they have now come out with a new model that's even better than that. And I believe it gets colder and warmer like way faster than, well, that one does both too. We have, yeah, it does. But I think it like at warmer way faster than, well that one does both too. We have, yeah it does, but I think at a way faster rate. I don't know if Doug looked up to see the difference in the performance in that, but I was looking at it and then I also noticed that they have a whole lineup now. I don't know if you guys have seen this now,

but they have like. Oh I did, they have an inflatable, a very inexpensive plunge that's inflatable and sturdy. And if you want, you can add. The filter. The filter that makes the water. Or if you wanna go real inexpensive, it's like a hundred bucks, something like that,

it's just the inflatable plunge, then you can add ice and water. That's what's so brilliant about, that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the plunge, Doug, not the sauna. That's what's so brilliant about it is they have listened to what everyone said. It's like, listen, if you wanna go

as inexpensive as possible. I know there's competitors that had launched these cheaper standalone tubs. So they now have that. And it's super cheap for just to blow up one. And then you can do the kind of, OK, well, you want to get a filter. So it's a little bit nicer.

You want the Cadillac too. Yeah, or you go all the way. So I'm thinking about getting one of them for my garage. So our garage is all set up like a gym. Oh, you know what? It was quieter too, Doug. That's what it was. Oh, you know what, it was quieter too, Doug. That's what it was. Oh, is that why?

Oh, okay. I've been adding more and more equipment little by little. Mostly Jessica uses it. And I added a hip thrust machine. I think I told you guys, right? Oh, did you get it? Yeah, I put it. You hadn't set it up yet.

Yeah, I built it. I put it together. And it's not like this super awesome commercial one. It's good enough. It's good. Your big hip thrust. Just to add volume. I actually like hip thrust.

I do. I really like the way that they make my deadlift feel, Adam. Anyway, not all of us have naturally nice looking glutes, by the way. But anyway, I have that in the garage, and I'm thinking of adding a plunge, that, you know, just for the cold plunge. Instead of waking up and throwing caffeine at myself, seeing if I could substitute, you know.

I wish I had one at my house too. I just don't have any space. It just, it sucks. And I don't like cold, man. I am so, I am such a, I love hot. I'll go in a sauna all day long. I'll sleep in a sauna, no problem. Cold to me is just, oh, but I know I need,

I benefit from it. Well, you, and what I love about it is at least this. You're so opposite of that. There's a lot of things. You like cold. Yeah, you gotta do it. There's a lot of things that we do in health and fitness that, you know, it's like a compounding investment.

You have to do a lot of it before you really feel or see the return on it. What's cool about the plunge is it's instant. I mean, the very first time you get in it, you will feel the benefits from it. It's not like you have- It lasts a while. Yeah.

Like hours. Yeah, all day you'll feel better. And from that moment, like the moment you get out, I've always compared it as the best like caffeine rush I've ever had in my life without the jitters. And so that rush of energy like that, and also your cognitive focus, and then I feel great all day long.

So that's what's at least nice about it is as miserable it is to get in, because that never ends. That's all I got. It's that first like couple seconds of just entering it. Yes, then after that it's it's yeah It's game on and you feel it. It's all the better. I gotta tell you guys I had a Great ego moment today at the gym. I'm gonna be honest with this total ego moment So let me ask you the guys this who if you go to a gym, especially one that's kind of strength training focused

Who are the respected people in the gym? Who are the people that? The old guys, guys that are 70s and they look good. It's always the buff old guys. It's always the buff old people, right? It's always them, they're like, they walk in and it's like, they're the kings and queens of the place. Now where I work out, I'm not that old, I'm only 45,

but when I work out in the morning sometimes, I'm definitely one of the oldest, there's a couple people that are older than me. Really? I'm one of the oldest I'm only 45, but when I work out in the morning sometimes, I'm definitely one of the oldest, there's a couple people that are older than me. I'm one of the oldest people in there. At this time. I go in at like seven a.m., six thirty. That's kind of when the old guys go. Usually, and there are some.

You see a few. In fact, there's this one guy that's like, he's gotta be in his late 70s, and he's this grouchy, asshole looking guy. And he's the guy I told you guys that Parkella posted me. He's like an old Adam working out. Yeah, and he is.

He's like, you can hear when he talks, he's like a crusty old fucker or whatever. But I always say hi to him when I come in. And now he gives me a nod now. But he always makes this look and he gives me a nod. I'm like, he's so angry while he works out. But I'm in there working out and I ran into Kyle. So Kyle was working out there this morning.

Oh, Kyle trains there too? Yeah, he just started training there. I didn't know that. I seen some, I was from behind, I'm walking up, I'm was working out there this morning. I saw, yeah, he just started training there. I seen some, I was from behind, I'm walking up, I'm like, that looks like Kyle. He's doing leg curls or whatever. Fist bump him, we're talking, and I'm like, bro, am I the old guy in the gym?

He starts laughing, he goes, maybe, and then my ego just, I wanna be that guy. You wanna be the old guy? I'm not yet, I'm not yet. But I can't wait, I can't wait to be that guy. Oh, I can wait, I can wait, I don't wait to be that guy. Oh, I can wait, I can wait. I don't wanna be that guy yet. No, it feels good.

It just, you know, fitness changes how you view aging. It just does. Well, you know, to continue to feed your ego, I'll feed your ego some more. Thank you. You were the subject matter at my family event. Oh no. Yeah, so my, well, cause my,

so my family is, that side of the family is part Italian. And so all the girls on that side of the family listen to the podcast now. Stephanie is the longest listener. So you've met Stephanie, she's been here before. Yeah, she's a huge fan of yours. So both my aunt, my two cousins, and then Stephanie. So there's three, four of them that all listen to the podcast. And they all shared the same thing about you originally,

which was they thought you were like this kind of like arrogant, cocky prick. And then they have had the opportunity to meet you. Well, you know what they say, you know what they all say is like, remember they're my family, right? So there's like, you know, he cuts you off or interrupts you all the time. So we really didn't like him, right?

And he's always arguing with you. And he's always got any sort of- No, I don't. And so, of course, right? So they all have that. But then at some point, they've all had the opportunity to meet you or like that. And so they're like, oh my god, he's so opposite of what

I thought he would be like. He's actually like, oh my god, he's so opposite of what I thought he would be like. He's actually a nice guy. Yeah, he's so humble, and he's so nice, and he's so thoughtful, and he's just like, I love Sal. So they all like that. That's nice. Yeah, now you're their favorite. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, yeah. So I beat you? Yeah, so I'm really, I don't know how that happened. I was just going to say, I'm never on Twitter, and I see somebody tweet something about me on there. And it was something something about like, and because I wear all these different types of hats, like all, you know, different teams.

And I'm like, dude, I have no loyalty, especially baseball. You know, my only loyalty is to the Niners. And I wear this because of like Magnum PI and all that. Like anyways, they're just like, there's so many people that are always like so pissed that they find out you're like, you know, rocking somebody else's team, and so you're their new favorite now.

So because I lost position because of the teams I rock. So just by default, not really because I did a good job. No, no, you didn't do anything special. Speaking along those lines, you know what's funny? I had this thought, and we've talked about this before, but I was really thinking about this, because if you listen to our show,

people who've been listening for a long time, we evolved, I mean, of course you have to, you should, right, for over nine years. But we really changed quite a bit as individuals, and then of course as a podcast. And I was thinking about this quite a bit, I had somebody comment on that, somebody had sent a message and said something like,

you know, it's really great to see your guys' evolution, how you guys talk about fatherhood, how you guys talk about all these different topics that you at one point talked about it this way, now you talk about it that way. And I thought what a gift and a blessing the podcast has been because as a trainer, one of the things that saved my life personally,

because I had such a bad, and I could still have a bad relationship with exercise and diet and supplements and all that shit, and I still struggle with it. But what saved my life was I had such a bad, and I could still have a bad relationship with exercise and diet and supplements and all that shit, and I still struggle with it. But what saved my life was I had clients that I loved so much that I wanted to help so much that it was impossible for me not to feel like a hypocrite half the time.

To tell this person you're over training, don't obsess over your looks, don't whatever, it's really hard when you say that all day long to people you care about to not be like, you know, I should take my own advice. I should take my own advice, right? The podcast does that quite a bit because you're talking and you're saying things

and if you, and people point things out or if you hear your voice and you hear the things you say, it's like, wow, I sounded like an asshole or, you know. Maybe. It's the ultimate accountability. Yeah, maybe I am arrogant. Maybe I do think I know it all. Maybe I do whatever, you know, that's for me personally. So I am arrogant. Maybe I do think I know it all. Maybe I do whatever.

That's for me personally. So what a blessing. And I could see how some people might not be comfortable with that, but I love it, man. I love the fact that. I know, it's one of my favorite parts. It's definitely been one of my favorite parts. As far as a growth tool, and to your point,

I think that I thought that was a huge hack for those that are aspiring coaches and trainers or already are, know this, like that like, man, you get this awesome opportunity. That's what it makes up for the lack of income that you make as a trainer is made up in the value you get from all these unique people. Because if you get people that can afford training, most of them are affluent. Most of them are educated wise like you get at the very least, they're trying to prioritize something good. Yeah.

Yes. You get kind of a nice selection of humans. Typically, it doesn't mean you don't have one asshole client or someone you don't like or whatever, but for the most part, you get some really cool, unique, intelligent, wise people that you spend hours every single day with and so diverse too. So you get all of this, this eclectic of different types of personalities and backgrounds. And it's such a, it's like an awesome growth tool. And I'd say that the podcast is arguably that good or better,

because not only do you get what you said, where you say something and you hear yourself say it and you ask you, you know, do I believe that bullshit? Do I believe my own shit that I'm saying? Like, and so you question that then you get to as you know, do I believe that bullshit? Do I believe my own shit that I'm saying? Like, and so you question that. Then you get to, I'm as blessed as we've been to actually grow to the size to where we attract massive people that are like brilliant authors and speakers and then you can just sit down

and talk to them, you know, privately for a couple hours live and then post show afterwards. Like, man, it's like, those are some of the most brilliant educators in minds we've had the opportunity to sit in a room with and publicly share information with and privately share information with. That combined with what you're saying is, man, it's been such a cool.

It's like turbo charging growth if you're okay with it, if you're open to it. Because otherwise you'll be embarrassed. You'll get crushed. You'll get crushed, man. And the truth is, I would do it for free. And I think that that is part of the secret sauce of finding something that you're gonna be successful in

is would you do it even if you didn't get paid? Is it something that you like doing so much or you're willing to do, put the hours in? You know, I thought about that the other day. You ever do that game, like if I won the lottery, right? It literally would come back to work. Yeah, you have to no I come right back to work I would intentionally spend all of it just so I had to come I know right I'd probably end up splitting it with you guys like blow all of it blow all of it so I had to go back to work because

I mean you always hear of those crazy stories too of people that retire and they like die shortly after because it's like once you lose that's like that's a lot of people's built-in purpose is this you know purpose to provide to be a father to be like to whatever it may be and it's and that's tied to their career or job and they think they'll be happier when it's all over. We're not meant to be domesticated animals that are just given our basic needs and then we just sit around. No, no. I mean, I also think that's why it's so important. I also appreciated how long it's been and how to take the journey too. Like, man, you think that overnight success or overnight riches would be an awesome thing, but it's not.

It has made me value each level and each milestone so much because because it's like, oh man, it was a lot of work to get to that, it was a lot more work to get to that. And so if it all came in one windfall right away, and you had like this overnight stardom and overnight windfall of money. It's actually a curse. Yeah, it would be, it really would be. Yeah, I probably wouldn't appreciate all the little things

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use the code mind pump 10 and get 10% off your order all right back to the show our first caller is Bryce from Arkansas what's up Bryce what up Bryce how's it going on dude hey guys doing great glad glad to meet you you too man how can we help you dude you look holy with that halo behind you? Just want to point that out. So I've been lifting on and off for like 20 years man And finally met you guys when I was at a place in life where for the first time I was going to the gym to Lose weight instead of gain, you know, and I was doing everything wrong You guys changed

all that for me. I've had nothing but praise for you guys. You've touched people in my life through me that never heard of mind pump. I've run into people at the gym who are on mind pump and everybody's all about you, man. You guys are great. Right on. Awesome. Appreciate that. What you got for us? Yeah. So I got an easy question for you guys probably. You know, I can squat and deadlift substantial amount of weight without much pain or issues at all. Got great ankle mobility, great hip mobility, but when I go to do split stance exercises, particularly lunges, my knees won't let me do it man they hate me for it. Where are you feeling the pain? Front side. Right behind my knee caps man it

feels like it's a pretty acute pain. It feels like a tendon is just stretching her. So underneath the kneecap in other words if you were to take your kneecap off it's like it's coming underneath. Yes, sir. Okay. So there's something called chondromalacia where, uh, there could be some cartilage damage there under the kneecap. Were you, were you an athlete at any point or did you have any knee injuries or were you a runner?

Uh, I played a lot of football, man, in high school. Um, there you go. Took a lot of hits, but nothing beyond that. Okay. So when there's a lot of, uh, for somebody with a little bit school, um, took a lot of hits, but nothing beyond that. So when there's a lot of, uh, for somebody with a little bit of, uh, patellar chondromalacia under the kneecap, whenever there's a lot of pressure on what's called knee extension, uh, inflection, in other words, with a lunge, oftentimes there's a little bit more pressure in driving the knee, you know, in extending the leg or in that direction,

especially front step lunges or when the knee moves forward past the foot, then sometimes people can feel pain under the kneecap. Now a couple things you can try doing, you could try warming up with leg extensions, foam rolling, all of that to kind of help the knee track a little bit better. Have you tried lunging at the end of your workout versus the beginning to see if it makes a difference? No, so I'm following symmetry right now and typically the, you know, it's not too big a deal when I don't have a substantial load, but you know,

we're doing barbell lunges and I throw a plate on my back or on each side and, you know, that's not too much weight for me to handle but it is I'm moving suboptimally or I've got something structurally wrong it just hurts. This is a front step lunge where you're stepping forward into a lunge? Yeah that's correct. Yeah so I would stop the front step. Reverse. I would do a reverse lunge which will take some pressure off or just get in the split stance and then just go straight up and down. Like Bulgarian style.

Yeah. And the other thing too is you're saying you're not using substantial load, but it is substantial load for the issue that we're dealing with. So anytime there's pain, even if it's a weight that you're like, oh, I should be able to handle this, something is not able to handle this is the point. So what about BPC 157 for that? You can use peptides like BPC 157, thymus and beta, along with some correctional exercise

to see if you can help with some of the healing. And you can look up what I said about the patellar chondromalacia. But in my experience, I've worked with people who've had really bad cases of this. And when we warm up well, when we work on things like the IT band, we get the knee cap to track properly, little by little we're able to improve this particular issue. But I would warm up, try warming up with leg extensions. And the way you do it is you bring the leg all the way up

and squeeze really hard at the top. Cold is like isometric. Yes, isometrically. And then slowly let it lower back down. And then try the lunges and see if you're doing better. Yeah, and then also stretchers too before. Yeah, if you can have access to a sled as well, just to add volume and strength without a lot of like impact there around the joints, to pull it backwards and have, usually you can get a strap around your waist and just kind

of walk it backwards, but that's going to help a lot with that stability there in the knee. So you're pulling the sled, does that make sense? Where you're dragging it backwards and that's like a knee extension. Are you familiar with, what's the guy's name? Ben? Yeah, the knees over toes guy. He's got a lot of really

good oh check him out okay so go to go to instagram and go to knees over toes his name is Ben I forget his name but he's got a lot of really good bulletproofing your knees content and it's he oh yeah yeah yeah and he he swears by what Justin just just uh shared with you which is the sled drag as far as like bulletproofing your knees um I also would would make it would do combat stretch before you get into any of your lower body stuff too. So between what all the guys are saying, combat stretch, dragging the sled, all those things. And then of course if you need to, the reverse lunge should take a lot of pressure off of it. So that's kind of like a short-term band-aid, but we obviously want to off of it. So that's kind of like a short term band aid, but we obviously wanna work on it.

Yeah, so I mean, this is just being mindful and intentional now when you go into leg days to include these things, but also too, to make sure you have the right volume and you set yourself up by priming your legs ahead of time, like Sal was saying with those isometrics. And then you can add the sled to almost every workout at the very end just to build volume.

When you squat, how's your stance? Is it wide or narrow or is it new? It was kind of in the middle. Uh, it's, it's borderline wide, uh, but toes are turned out slightly. And that's another thing is I'm wondering if how much my ankle stability is causing issues because if I do push, you know, I say I can squat, you know, 400 plus, but if I know that if I push three 15 or more or like, I'm, I try not to cause I have such knee valgus that if I'm not super conscious of keeping my knees out, my ankles want to roll in and my knees cave.

And I can get it up, but it's not off. So here's, so, so, so this might help you. So if you picture that your kneecap, if you were to peel your kneecap off, the cartilage underneath, for lack of a better term, kind of comes down with like almost a little fin that fits in a groove along the femur. So when you're moving, the kneecap is moving in and out of this groove, okay?

If it's being pulled hard to one side or another because of stability issues or mobility issues typically in the ankle the foot or the hip then it's grinding in one direction to the other it's not sliding nicely and that grinding over time with load damages the tissue it damages the cartilage underneath so when you correct it and then it should be able to heal over time unless there's some underlying underlying issue I love the idea of running BPC one five seven with all the stuff that we just gave. I think you'll notice a big difference from that.

I think the combination of that, uh, that peptide with all the kind of mobility warming up the training recommendations, uh, I think you should see a massive improvement. Great. Awesome. Hey, I got one more. I got one more thing for you, Sal. What do you got? Great. Awesome. Hey, I got one more. I got one more thing for you, Sal. What do you got? Dude.

So I ran into you guys about five years ago and in the process, my wife and I just got out of college, just starting, you know, to make some income and everything. And then we had twins and we had triplets. Two years. Shut up. You had five kids in two years. We had five babies, bro. Holy shit.

Wow. Yeah. So I was, you know, during the time I'm hearing you talk about my fast sleep, a regularist is keeping me up and I'm like, dude, I've slept like one day this week. Howard, God bless you, man. That is rough. Wow, bro. That is rough.

It's still rough. Wow. I imagine you're not trying for any more. No, I had that mix before the triplets where he performed. Wow, dude. So boys, girls, what do you got? The twins were boy, girl, and then the triplets were two girls and a boy. So. Oh my god, what a nice mix. That's awesome. That's awesome. Bryce, are you? I wish we had a little more help though. I bet. You're going to be a very proud grandfather one day.

Hey, Bryce, are you in our private forum yet? No, I'm not. I'm going to have Doug put you in there. And then as you're going through this process, working on everything, keep us posted. If you post, like probably the most popular thing people do in there is actually post like their videos of them squatting, deadlifting, and we can kind of critique. that always. I mean, we sat here and speculated, I think we got a pretty good idea of what's going on. But the more we can see the movement, the better we can even prescribe and help. And then we got people like our good friends, Jordan shallow and

Dr. Brink are in there, which are movement specialists. So it's a great community. So we'll get you in there. Yeah, I would love it, brother. Thank you guys so much. Keep doing what you do. All right, guys. Thank you. See you in the forum. Bye guys'll get you in there. Yeah, I would love it brother. Thank you guys so much. Keep doing what you're doing. All right, rise. Thank you. See you in the forum. Bye guys. Awesome. I remember I had one client specifically with this issue who actually came to me was a doctor and said to me specifically, I have patellar chondromalacia. I cannot squat below this depth. I can't do lunges. It's impossible.

And so, uh, you know, I pulled up the anatomy knee, they were a doctor, so we looked, that was very easy, and I said, look, this is typically what happens. I think if we can fix the way it tracks through loosening areas that are tight, strengthening and stabilizing, we should be able to see some improvements. And a year later, this woman who could squat

barely 45 degrees was going down in 90 degree squats and doing walking lunges with no pain. How did that go over telling a doctor that you think... Because I brought up the anatomy and talked about how the kneecap moves and how the muscles affect the way it tracks. Because her specialty wasn't, you know, she wasn't an osteopath, she was a general surgeon. So she was like, oh okay, that makes sense. And I said, we'll go slow and we'll take it and we'll see how it works. And I built trust and we did. And a was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. And I said, we'll go slow and we'll take it and we'll see how it works. And I built trust and we did.

And a year later, man, she was able to do all these other things that, because if it's still tracking terribly with load, it ain't, it's not going to heal. Unless it's like some acute impact that, uh, uh, damaged it somehow. But yeah, that's usually the case is just like these other surrounding muscles are like overly active and it's pulling it out of track. So three, three things you're doing, because we listed a bunch of stuff from you. If you have only three things you're doing,

including any sort of supplementation or some of that, what are the three things you're doing? I would use BPC, but then I would do correctional exercise specifically to improve the way the kneecap is tracking. And that could look like lateral stability work. These are all things we would do. We're not prescribing this to him. Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm saying that.

What would you do? What are the things that you would do personally? You have this issue. What are the three things you would do? Yes, that's it. I would look at my lateral stability. I would look at ankle mobility. I would look on loosening the quads and the IT band,

and I would use BPC. Yeah, I would work 90 90s, and work on internal external rotation, and make sure I'm nice and stable and on track Our next caller is Bree from Pennsylvania. Hi Bree. How can we help you? Hi guys. Thanks so much for having me on here I've been listening to the show for years and I knew when I had a question this would be the place to go to Awesome. What you got for us?

Okay, so my question high level is how do you get started on your journey of finding and working with a functional medicine practitioner? I'm trying to figure out the best way to narrow down what services I would need from a practitioner so that I can figure out how to locate someone with that expertise who's reputable. You know, it's just like anything else in the health industry where there's so much out there that it's hard to know what direction to go first. And then once you locate someone, what's the best way to approach things with them? If your goal is first to learn about what's going on with your health so you can see what

areas need work and improvement. I know preventative care is becoming more common, but it still feels a little abnormal to approach a doctor and say, let's test first and see what we find instead of going in with a specific ailment or knowing what you want treated. I'll give you a little background to round out the question. I enjoy being active and I've worked out using various modalities my entire life but these days I am sitting a lot since I work a desk job and I would say I don't have any glaring health problems but I know that I'm not living at my peak health and I do have some minor health issues that I think could be corrected if I optimize my practices I

know a few things like inflammation bloating or poor circulation and I think about the fact that maybe I'm just one or two small changes away from not having those issues. So I've always been a person that tends to stay away from a doctor's office. If anything does come up, I would always prefer a treatment plan that doesn't include drugs or pharmaceuticals. I really prefer not to do anything with medications.

So when I started hearing about functional medicine, it started to pique my interest because it seems like a way that you could improve your health, but the doctors don't have that built-in mindset of prescribing the medications. I'm really new to this idea, but I think it's really cool that there's potential that I don't have to worry about these problems that I've grown accustomed to living with. And I'd like to imagine that fixing that one small issue will snowball and be fixing the next and so on. It's just a little overwhelming trying to figure out where to start with it all. We got you covered. We actually have a private forum specifically for someone just like you. This is the holistic. So mind pump holistic forum that we have.

That's MP Holistic Health Health on Facebook, right Doug? Is that the name of it? And that's Dr. Cabral and his team. And that's exactly what he does is certify coaches and trainers in functional medicine. And so between the help that he can give you directly there, because you can actually hire him remotely. And you guys can.

And his team. And his team. And you can actually meet with them. you guys can- And his team. And his team and you can actually meet with them and so, and we know they're an incredible source. If for some reason you really want somebody in person, which that's fine, he's probably gonna be a great person or their team's a great person to ask where you're located.

There's probably somebody nearby that is connected to him and I think he'd be a great person to ask for a referral. The way it looks like, this is how it looks. And functional medicine's an excellent field. And of course there's good ones. There's some that are better than others, just like there's some trainers that are better than others and doctors and plumbers and all that stuff. But the way it'll typically look is you're going to go in and you're going to start by having a conversation and they're going to ask you questions and you're going to let them know

what your struggles are, symptoms you may be feeling. They'll know what questions to ask you specifically and then that's going to point them to a series of tests. Through that testing they'll be able to identify what the treatment is going to look like. Now functional medicine takes a very holistic approach. So the treatment would range from a combination of potentially pharmaceuticals but it's typically herbal supplements, lifestyle, and in that range exercise. Once they do the testing they'll say okay we did your gut testing it looks like we saw these overgrowth of these bacteria or it looks like you have some high levels of these heavy metals or mold or your detox pathways not seem to seem to need some

some help or assistance or your hormones seem to be in this particular state so it looks like we need to go through a protocol to reduce stress and help your body rebalance itself type of deal and so that's that's where they'll start they'll start with testing and then take it from there. And then it's functional medicine because they don't just look at making the symptom go away. They look at, okay, what's the root cause? What's the root cause of this and how can we work with that?

So, but they can also work with pharmaceuticals. So you don't want to rule that out, right? So if you have a, if they identify like an easy one would be like a parasite, well some parasites, herbals, take you six months to a year to get rid of if they're effective at all. Whereas a pharmaceuticals have been around someone for 50 years, you take it once and then the parasites gone. So they would work through a combination of things. The nice part though about a functional medicine practitioner is that's not going to be their first go-to. They're always going to go the holistic path

is what they're going to lean on first. And then it's like that if it requires something like that. They're just going to try to get all the data points from your environment, from what you've been eating, what kind of inflammation is in your body currently, like, you know, just like regular things, I think it's a good investment for anybody to go through that process of testing and just so you can acquire that kind of information. So you can even bring that in with you to your general practitioner, but to be able to get sort of a good idea of what may be contributing

to symptoms that you may be experiencing, I think it's always great to just start with the holistic side and then kind of get you onto the pharmacy. Yeah, I love your attitude of doing this right now. I mean, I think, I agree. I think that everybody should do this. We always wait until we're sick

and we have all these issues and then we try and unpack it and figure it out and then we go everywhere. It's like- Also what's going well, right? Yeah, so it's, I think it's an incredible thing for you to go do. And they'll probably do like a full panel on you too so they could just see everything but yeah go through the the

the forums free go on there and ask questions and then they can help direct you in which direction to go and then you could hire someone from their team and and we've we've out there they're good we know they're good that's why we work with them. Bree did you know we had that just did you know we had that? Yeah I've heard you discuss it on the show before and I have listened to some of the programs. I've listened to so many, but I've listened to some that address the more holistic, the hormonal, the peptides, that kind of stuff. It just feels like so much to just start out that way, listening to everything. Yeah, you can't diagnose yourself, Bri.

And nobody could diagnose you either without testing anyway. So many symptoms could come from so many different places that only testing will let them know. Yeah, and they manifest different in every person. So yeah, but that's it. It's not that, it's really not that crazy of a process, but you gotta start it by working with one of them. Awesome, yeah, just want to get started and then I'm sure once the ball's

rolling it'll be much smoother. Yeah, they'll take care of you. They will go in there and introduce yourself in the forum and then they'll have somebody that'll take care of you right away. Awesome. Thank you. You got it, Bray. This is getting more, I was aware of functional medicine. Seems like it's getting more popular. Well, listen, I'm telling you guys, you guys had to be 17, 18 years ago, and I remember talking about functional medicine,

and eight out of 10 of my clients rolled their eyes, or saw that, like they put it in with homeopathy or whatever. I even had, I remember talking about leaky gut syndrome and adrenal fatigue, which now they call HTPA access dysfunction. I remember the doctors that I trained would go, leaky gut, it's a made up whatever,

and now it's accepted, it's a made-up whatever or and now it's accepted that's all very medicine is the future a hundred has to be exactly that's why it's not like a question there is no other it's not a question if it's going to be or not it's literally a matter of time before everybody has to go this route because the direction that we're going you have we have to get to the bottom environments changed yeah we got to stay ahead of it yeah our next caller is Brad from Idaho. Brad, you don't strike me as a guy

that's into Mickey Mouse backpacks. Well, you know, when you got to wipe the seams to think they're a lot of fun, you have to see the basement. I've probably got 60 more of them down there. Oh my God, oh my God, that's great. How can we help you, man? Collection.

Well, I just want to thank you first off for taking my call and all you guys do. It's real inspiring. Even though I'm way older than you guys, it is inspiring. Appreciate it. Thank you. I'll just kind of get to it. I'll try to cut some of it out. I didn't realize how long the letter was when I wrote it.

So I'm 58 years old. I used to play a lot of sports back in the day, of course. Last 15 years or so I put on a lot of pounds and my work spent a little more sedentary. So it's made it a little bit harder to keep up my, you know, the motivation. I had a lung capacity test to work and to come back with the, it was quite lower than the one I had two years before. So back in 23 I decided I was gonna hit the gym a lot more and try to get that taking care of him getting better shape and drop some pounds I've been real consistent four days a week at least a lot of times six days a week kind of depends on how the weekends fell. Um, so that my normal day, Monday through Thursday, I started about 3 AM.

Get up, get to the gym by four. I get a solid hour in there. They're heading to work 10 hour a day. Now we're coming to home, you know how it is six o'clock getting home. I'm sure you guys can relate. I don't have the traffic. Do you have, Thank goodness though. Um, so I eat, study, still working on a bachelor's online. So that takes up my night bed by 10. I don't really get there much sooner

than that. So from what you guys can see is probably sleep diet. My biggest issues there. I'd like to lose 80 to a hundred pounds somewhere in that range. I'm six three. So if I think you'd be around two 20, I'd be happy a little bit less. It didn't be better looking at my BMI. That's a joke. I can't, I couldn't imagine being 160 pounds, but I would like to be able to hike like we do a lot of hiking and stuff.

And so I'd like to do that then to take a break every five minutes to try to learn to breathe and get my legs going again. So my gym workouts that I'm doing now, I just I'll cut the whole lot of that out, but I do a lot of push, pull, and then legs. So I'll do three sets, 10 to 12 reps. And I kind of super said that's what I'll do three sets, 10 to 12 reps. And I kind of superset that, so I'll do two at a time. And then I'll take a little break

and then do three sets of those. And I'm doing six to eight lifts depending on my time. And then whatever I've got left in my hour, or hour, whatever it is, I just do cardio on the treadmill. I do a lot of incline as much as I can get in. And then on the fourth day, I just do cardioline as much as I can get in and then the fourth day I just do cardio and then my weekends Friday Saturday we just do a varied thing depending on how the weather is

and where whether we go to the gym or what we do lifts we do a lot of sled pushes pulls that kind of stuff so my question after all that is I obviously need a better structure workout plan from what listening to you guys seem like structures a lot of it. I just lost the same six pounds back and forth that they keep finding it and then I lose it then I find it. So I got a heart rate monitor last fall been using that ever since and that's truly showed a lot of stamina growth and I have gained a lot of strength, but I haven't lost much weight so my question is what kind of workouts my do I need to purchase to get this under control and

What I can do to help my diet plans There's one issue here that's contributing to all the others. And if we can tackle this one issue, all the other ones are going to improve quite a bit. So I just want to clarify. You go to bed at 10, you wake up at three. Correct.

Okay. So you're, you're sleep. If you don't get more sleep, it don't matter what you do with your workouts or your diet, it's nothing's going to help. You're chronically under slept. Even if you fell asleep at 10, which you don't, you hit the sack at 10, you probably fall asleep at 10 30. But even if you fell asleep at 10, you're way under slept.

So let me ask you, what's the, is it possible to go to bed earlier? And is it possible to wake up later? Is that a possibility? Yeah, I mean I can always cut you know short and get to bed earlier waking up later. I had to push my workout so maybe to the weekend. I was thinking about that. Yeah. Instead of working out during the week change it working out on the weekend more and getting that extra hour sleep during the week. The workout part is actually gonna be the easiest part for us to Sal's point. Like I actually think Maps 15 is a better program

for you considering the level of stress and stuff you got going on in the lack of sleep. You actually don't need an hour of intense training. Not only do you not need it, that's gonna go backwards. It's working against you with everything you got going on. If you could go to bed at 9 p.m. and then wake up and do a 15 minute suspension trainer workout in your home, which is what MAPS 15 will provide for you, then you'll be able to sleep in an additional 45 minutes.

And so we've added almost two hours of sleep. That'll make a profound difference in everything else. It's going to affect your cravings, it's going to affect your recovery, you're going to build more muscle, your body will lose more body fat. I mean there's studies on this that are really remarkable where they'll take people, put them in the same calorie deficit and the group that has bad sleep will lose twice as much muscle and half as much body fat just from that alone. So if you could go to bed at nine and wake up at four, that's still not ideal. That's a lot better than what you're currently doing. Workout's really just to accompany the recovery. The recovery is

where everything is going to happen for you in terms of like your ability to build up muscle and like improve your metabolism. So yeah, just having these smaller workouts, even if you could do a different time during the day for 15 minutes to devote to just like the suspension trainer or something in that regard, it's gonna move mountains for you. What's the latest you could wake up in the morning to get to work on time, do you think?

I could probably do 430. Okay. Be out of the house by five. All right here's what I would love and if you could do this this would I think would be ideal. If you could go to bed at 9, wake up at 430 and then throughout the day find 15 minutes to do your workout with the suspension train which you can hang in any door, any door frame. So, and it's literally a 15 minute workout. You will notice significant improvements in your health and your body will respond because right now what you're doing is you're spinning your wheels. You're spinning your wheels in the dirt. You're doing a lot of work. You're sleep deprived. You're fighting your body. Your body's gonna win. You're not gonna be able to push your body

in a direction it doesn't want to go and right now it's holding on to everything because of the chronic lack of sleep. So you'll notice significant improvements across the board. It'll feel like, here's what's gonna feel like, man I'm doing way less work and my body's all of a sudden moving in the right direction. This is weird. It's gonna feel weird. Yeah it's gonna feel strange. I've heard you guys talk about that before. That's what was kind of bringing all this delight feel weird. Yeah, it's gonna feel strange. I kind of have heard you guys talk about that before. That's what was kinda bringing all this delight for me. Yeah, and you'll notice within a week or two, like if you do this within a week or two,

you're gonna be like, oh wow, I feel way better. But you gotta be consistent. You gotta do it every single night. Make sure you get in bed at nine, really prioritize it, wake up at 430, and then find that 15 minutes throughout the day sometime to do your workout. I think that would be, if you were my client, I wouldn't push anything else. You have to recognize that, I mean it's very obvious to me, or I'm sure the guys too, that

you have a very go-getter type of personality and that is not the approach you need to be doing right now with your training, which is going to be tough, right? You have to wrestle that. I see you're wearing our buddy Andy Vercellas first form shirt have you attempted to do the 75 hard to no I have okay because of the time thing I don't know don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't I haven't done it I bet that's why I asked because I bet he would lean towards wanting to do something like that and that's this this is just an example of a client that we would definitely not want to do that,

because we've got to get a hold of all the stress and the lack of sleep that you've got going on. And even if you don't, I use stress in a way that I think sometimes people are like, well, no, I'm fine. I'm happy. I got a good thing. I have Mickey Mouse backpacks. Everything's going good in my life. But I I mean, the, the lack of sleep, the over the exercise, the studying, the studying for school, the work in 10 hours to say, I mean, that's all stress on your, on your body and to only give it a little bit of sleep like that. And then also push it in the gym. It's just, you're, you're, you're putting in way more effort and work than you

should be doing and you'll get more by actually doing less and focusing on sleep. To put it differently Brad there's nothing we could do with diet and exercise that'll help you until you fix the sleep issue. There's literally nothing you can do on those two directions that are gonna make a big difference but if you fix the sleep issue oh my gosh all of a sudden the pieces will start to fall into place. Everything will start working. We're gonna send over maps 15. Okay. So you have that.

So you'll have access to that. Um, I believe Doug can also send. So if you don't, you probably don't have the suspension trainer. I'll have him send a half off coupon on that. So it's only like 50 bucks for that thing. So not that. So we'll send that all over to you. And then I'd also like to put you in our, are you on Facebook?

Can I get you in the private forum? Yeah, that'd be great. I'm on there. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm going to have Doug also give you access to the private forum for free too. So then we can, we can talk to you as you go through this because I know you got a lot going on. And so just reach out to us, keep us posted, like on a monthly basis, let us know how it's going. If you're having any challenges, let the guys and I kind of coach you through this process to get you right. Man, that'd be great. All right, Brad, we got you, man.

Easy answer, it was an easy answer. It's gonna make a huge difference. Yeah. Sounds great, I really appreciate the help. It's just nice to hear it tune me instead of just me guessing that that was the issue. That's it, you were right. Yeah, we got you, Brad.

We'll see you in the forum, buddy. All right, thanks, I appreciate it, man. Thank you. I mean, okay. That's a lot, bro. That's five hours of sleep a night. Yeah, no, that's brutal. That has been shown in studies in as little as a week or two

to affect brain structure, hormones, dramatically increase heart disease and cancer risk. Like, he's in such a a, five hours of sleep a night will destroy you. It doesn't matter what you're doing, it'll destroy you. You can be on the peptides, hormones, everything you want, it won't do anything for you. So unless he fixes that, nothing else is gonna work.

I can't give him a workout that'll help with that kind of a sleep schedule. But if he fixes a sleep schedule, oh my gosh. I keep reminding myself of that study you brought up about the chances of injury when you're in that sleep-deprived state. Huge. Increase, yeah, substantially.

So there's just a lot of factors against you. Really, that's the core. Get your sleep, get your recovery, and then let's do the work. I'm so glad he called, and that's why I want him in the forum, because I want to be able to stay with him on this. Because again, like most people, the hardest part is going to be the mental part with him on this because again like most people the hardest part is gonna be the mental part right? Yeah, he obviously has I mean the guy works 10-hour days. It's gonna feel weird because he's body respond He's like hard worker working on his degree. Yeah, so you take that type of a personality and say hey

I need you to do way less. I need you to sleep in It's like that's gonna be the hardest part and then and then also if you do that, right? And then also that this is like we have to first get all that recover. It's not like tomorrow he's also going to see this weight fall off because we told him to do that. So he's going to have to like, stay with this, be consistent. You'll feel better though. Very quickly.

He should, he should feel better right away. Our next caller is Drew from Ireland. What's up, Drew? What's going on, man? What's happening? Hi. Um, well, this is a amazing, amazing. Thank you for taking the time to speak to me. And, you know, I've awaited a long time to ask this question and it might be kind of ironic for you guys, but I wanted to give a little shout out to your episode with Jennifer Cohen and her 10th attempt rule.

Um, if I hadn't heard that concept from her on your podcast, I would have actually given up on my attempt for a live question with you guys. That's great. Awesome. That's great. How can we help you? Yeah. So, um, anyways, I have two questions, but I'll start a bit with my background

and, uh, to give a bit with my background and to give a bit of context. Is that right? Yep. Sure. Okay. So my name is Dhruv and as of last week, I just finished up medical school in Ireland. My fitness background is involving, you know, martial arts, sports.

And then at 18, I started weightlifting. And in 2017, so it was about seven years ago, I found Mind Pump and my love for weightlifting group. The podcast actually brought me to become a personal trainer at my university gym. And then through your programs, MapStarter, Prime Pro, I saw amazing results that exercise brought to my clients of all ages. I specifically noticed a big difference in seniors and that exercise is medicine. Fast forward to medical school in Ireland, I appreciate that doctors have to learn a lot, but I noticed there was no physical activity education in the curriculum. but I noticed there was no physical activity education in the curriculum. So therefore my research team and I did a study on the knowledge and confidence of physical activity prescription in recent Irish medical graduates across the country.

Our published findings showed that there was little to no teaching on physical activity and that doctors actually wanted additional teaching. So we are now trialing a mini module on exercise prescription for doctors. Um, just to put a disclaimer that the study doesn't reflect every medical school in the world and my school was actually receptive and they added exercise education to the curriculum. That's cool. Nice.

Very cool. So, um So I have two questions. My first question is what exercise related care would you like to see from general physicians? So that involves maybe using a BIA machine instead of a regular weight scale to track progress, grip tests for strength, how to use your famous quotes, love the journey, do the least to elicit the most progress, grip test for strength, how to use your famous quotes, you know, love the journey, do the least to elicit the most amount of change or eat more to lose

more. Should we move into the second one or do you want to answer the first? No. Yeah, let's start with the first one. So we have to paint the context first before we can kind of discuss what would be the best, I think, approach. First off, I think it's exceptional that someone like yourself who's gonna be a doctor

really understands the value of exercise, not just from the study show perspective, but you actually did it with clients, and you understand strength training. And there is a huge, we're at the beginning of a massive movement towards really understanding the value of strength training. There is a huge, we're at the beginning of a massive movement towards really understanding the value of strength training. That's probably gonna be the front line

prescriptive form of exercise for most people for longevity for just many, many different reasons. Now the context, and here's the challenge, as a physician, you don't coach your patients. In other words, you meet with them, you do testing, you diagnose, you don't coach your patients. In other words, you meet with them, you do testing, you diagnose, you prescribe, and then you don't see them again for however long, a month, two months, or whatever the follow-up looks like, but you're not there coaching them through the process. The exercise and diet are

lifestyle and they're behavior based. They're not prescriptive based. Otherwise it'd be very easy. Someone could go on Google, get a prescription for a diet, follow a meal plan, here's my workout, follow it, no problem. So I think your best bet, first off, you mentioned a few diagnostic tests that I think would be exceptional. I do think body fat testing should be used along with a scale because then you can look

at lean body mass and fat mass, and that'll give you a better kind of picture, especially as you're tracking somebody through their different appointments. Oh, your weight went up. Oh, it actually looks like your fat mass went down, your lean body mass went up or your weight went down. However, it looks like you lost lean body mass.

So that's not necessarily a good thing. So just give you a better picture. I love the grip strength test and you can get just some good general ideas of what is considered good, you know, weak, strong, or just look at the trends, uh, of your patients, uh, you know, before, during illness, after illness, as they age, you can see, oh, strength is going down or up and grip strength is valuable mainly because it's easy to test and it's a proxy for whole body strength.

So there's really nothing specific about the grip. It's just a good proxy. If it goes down, it means you're probably getting weaker overall. I'm sure you're very familiar with this, but the grip strength tests by themselves are incredible predictors of all-cause mortality in comparison. You combine it with all the other tests that you do, blood pressure, lipids, all stuff? You're going to get a really, really good full picture. But here's where I think the value is going to be.

This is where I think the magic is going to be. If physicians can partner with really good exercise specialists, this is where the magic's going to be because you don't have the time to be a doctor and coach a bunch of people. I mean, maybe you can construct a business around that or whatever, but I have yet to find. I don't see that happening mainstream. What I do see is, and I did this all, I did this towards the end of my career, is I worked with physicians like you. They would send me their patients.

They would let me know, of course, with the patient's permission, here's what's going on. Here's what we need to work on. And then I would do the exercise portion and I would do the coaching. And I was the one that saw them, you know, every week, two or three days a week. Then they'd see the doctor six months later, I'd get a report and the doctor would be like, wow, phenomenally moving in the right direction. Here's what's going on. We're going to try this new medication, maybe keep their heart rate down because

they're on a beta block or whatever. So that's where I think the value is going to be is in physicians partnering with really, really good exercise specialists and working together. And then you, as a physician can tell the, the patient, look, here's the deal. I think that the most impactful thing we can do is going to help keep you off medications and give you the biggest bang for your buck is if you exercise appropriately and properly, I know somebody I can send you to who I really trust.

Here's this great podcast. And then, yes, of course you can direct them to our podcast as well. But that's what I would do. But just the fact that you train people and you know this, you're already going to be able to communicate to this so well, like so exceptionally well, but look, I'm sure you already know this by your colleagues

And you're gonna figure this out anyway The hardest thing that you're gonna have to deal with is getting them to follow through with your advice I mean, it's gonna be hard enough to get you to take their pills dressing that it's imperative They they look at strength training and have an actual plan for that. Yeah I mean that's gonna do so much more than what we currently have alone So for you to just point people in the right direction, I think that's a humongous first. And then you can get reports from the trainer. The cool part though is if you're a physician and you start doing and implementing this stuff,

you'll also have the data of the ones that actually fall through and don't. And then that's a selling point to the ones that don't. That when they come in, it's like, hey, look at my patients that follow X, Y, and Z. Yeah, look what record here. Yeah, look what happens with blood pressure, look what happens with cholesterol, look what happens with lean body mass, look at overall health, like you're gonna be able to have that and that's gonna be very powerful. It's gonna take time to build some of that,

but boy, that's gonna be super powerful and cool. And then of course, you have us here, I would love to support in any way that we can as you build this out and you start doing this. Yeah, but really partnering with good exercise coaches is gonna be, would be game changer. Anybody who takes advantage of that, because now they can get coached on a weekly basis

and you won't see them for another three months, you could check back in, or you could just check in with the coach, hey, how's it going with Mrs. So-and-so? But that's the way to do it. Well, you know too, like we just started a whole like business around coaches and like really trying to equip them with that

kind of information. I think it'd be a valuable thing to bring somebody like yourself who's going through their own kind of experiment with this to see, because they're troubleshooting using our maps programs with their clients as well. And so to peer into that, I think would be a really good advantage for you to see in these case scenarios, you know, this is the type of trainer I would, I would kind of set you up with. And this is kind of the programming that we would look at.

Drew, is the medical system out there in Ireland, that is, that's a state sponsored, right? That's covered by the state. Yeah, they actually have a Google program where you can go private or public. Okay. Yeah. Cause what I'm talking about would probably have to go private, or you could just partner with people you could refer to. But I think there's such a huge need

for what I'm talking about, and you'll probably tap into the higher end client at first, just because they have expendable income, but once you show the model, I mean. Yeah, once you have the data. Yeah, the system's breaking. Every Western nation, these systems are breaking because we can't medicate people out of this, uh, anymore.

This has to be some lifestyle change, you know? Yeah. Um, just moving on to my second question, it kind of ties in to what you were saying. Um, ultimately, yeah, I know about the coaching course and I would love to have you guys standardize across the world if that was possible. But would you be interested in doing a full podcast on this topic, maybe like how to be a mind pump doctor or creating a forum specific for healthcare professionals to link with personal trainers or ask questions about patients, clients, or even I know I've actually referred you guys to

a lot of patients in my clinical rotations and maybe an episode referral or exercise program referrals. Yeah, I do see and maybe this is something we talk, we'll talk off air of how we wrap our brain around this, but I do see tremendous value with having doctors like yourself in our trainer coaching forum, because one, you add value, right? So now they have a resource to ask questions that maybe they can't get to the bottom of

because you're in there, and then now you have a resource of trainers that have been certified by us that are going out there and helping people. And so maybe what we do is we make like a, yeah, we put specific people that are actual doctors that are wanting to collaborate and work with each other. We'll just put you in there for free. So I don't see why that wouldn't,

why we wouldn't do something like that. Yeah, let's do that. And then the program that would probably be most appropriate for your patients would be Starter. Map Starter. Yeah, across the board, yeah. Yeah, that'd be appropriate for most people, I would say. That and Prime Pro.

That program was amazing just in my personal training, so I would love to do that for patients as well. Yeah, and you would be surprised at how little a sedentary person needs to do to gain benefit. I mean, when I would get patients from some of these doctors, and they come to me in really bad shape, really bad health, some of them were like, we're doing one exercise every day.

That's it, three sets of this on Monday, three sets of this on Tuesday, and then we do it four or five days a week. And I mean, it was remarkable at the improvement that we would see in their health. And the doctors that I trained, I mean, after I did this a few times, they could say, okay, this is predictable. But for the first couple, they were all like, I didn't expect to see people improve so much.

Drew, I tell you what, I don't know if we're going to do this for everybody, but since you've asked the question and I think you would add great value to the forum, I'll have Doug put you in that trainer forum now. So I'll get you access in there so you can already introduce yourself and start networking and providing value and then collaborating with any of the trainers in there. Cause I think that it's not a bad idea.

So we'll start with you. We'll see if we stick with it and do it with other doctors or not. But I like that. I like the network. I like it. Totally. Oh, thank you. I really appreciate that.

Yeah, because you have an international kind of impact. So I'm sure even if I work in Ireland and I need to send someone to a personal trainer, maybe there's someone who's taking your course there and I can refer them there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll get you in there. Okay, great. Those are my two questions. But I also want to do a big thank you if that's okay.

Sure. I've been listening to Mind Pump for seven years now, and the first three years I listened from a personal trainer perspective, and the last four years I listened from a medical perspective. It's known that doctors save lives, but indirectly, so does mind pump. Thank you for enhancing primary care and preventative care for us. I have several stories that I think you'd appreciate where I took lessons directly from your podcast

and help patients in the community during the electives. One example was even just create a team for cognition now. I didn't even learn about that in school and I heard it from you guys. You know, the concept of a muscle mommy and being strong in pregnancy and stuff, you know, those things are actually very valuable

and I really appreciate your podcast on that. You guys are an exceptional source of information. Uh, you're not just known for fitness, but your holistic resource that actually covers key topics in medicine that I think so many doctors can benefit from. Bro, you give me, thank you. Thank you. It's so hopeful to see young doctor like yourself, uh, because you guys do a phenomenal job and, and, uh and I feel like the direction is starting to move in the right direction.

It's people like you that are gonna change that space. Appreciate it, man. Yep, thank you. Thank you, thank you guys. You got it. All right. Well now that my ego feels, no that was really nice.

Yeah, that was super nice. And you know, I know a lot of times we get, we talk a little bit like defeatist or whatever, but the truth is the medical space, it's a big ship. It takes a long time to turn. But it's moving in the right direction. You're hearing more and more people like him talk, I'm getting more doctors who are talking about

strength training, more doctors talking about protein intake. He mentioned creatine. Creatine now, creatine is a longevity supplement that now is getting recommended to people who don't even work out just to improve their general health and I brought that up because he did. I'm always team human, bro.

I think that we tend to swing really hard one way and then come back the other way and I believe that we're at a very crucial time in our existence health-wise and I think that it's people like him that are gonna move the needle, dude. It's gonna take a lot more, but we are moving the right direction,

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