Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2353: The Pros & Cons of Fractional Weights, Ways to Deal With Social Anxiety, Personal Trainer Red Flags & More

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: The LEAST amount is also the BEST amount. (2:16) Kids say the darndest things. (13:33) Father and son time. (16:48) How Butcher Box has ruined all other chicken nuggets. (20:51) The effect of whole foods vs. heavily processed foods on the brain. (22:25) Strength training is the most anti-cancer form of exercise. (27:16) When Justin goes ‘fight motor’ mode. (28:22) Hear about the cutting edge in the peptide space and see Sal speak at the Peptide World Congress event in Las Vegas June 14-15th. (32:47) The guys provide more updates on their Tirzepatide experiments and the importance of working with a coach throughout the process. (33:45) We are in the Fentanyl economy. (40:07) Adam’s appreciation for talent. (42:17) Matching your kids’ energy. (45:04) What’s the deal with the G-wagon? (47:48) AirPod cameras? (51:04) Imagine how much healthier we would be if we shut down social media. (53:17) When your family sees you in partner commercials. (55:38) Shout out to Mind Pump Live! (58:33) #Quah question #1- What are your thoughts on fractional plates for more incremental progressive overload? (59:26) #Quah question #2 - Why did you create a program specifically targeted towards women when you have neglected to create such programs in the past? (1:02:53) #Quah question #3 - What are your tips on dealing with social anxiety? Not just in the gym, but in everyday life as well. (1:08:35) #Quah question #4 - What are some red flags we should watch out for when hiring a personal trainer? (1:11:32) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** Your choice of bone-in chicken thighs, top sirloins, or salmon in every box for an entire year, plus get $20 off! ** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** June Promotion: MAPS Strong | MAPS Powerlift 50% off! ** Code MAY50 at checkout ** Morgan Spurlock, 'Super Size Me' director and documentarian, dead at 53: Reports Peptide World Congress - Seeds Scientific Research & Performance TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN! Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Mind Pump #2352: Is Ozempic A Threat To The Fitness Industry? Maestros de la guitarra 2025 Mercedes G-Class Electric G-Turn Apple's latest wild idea could be putting cameras in your AirPods Habits & Hustle Podcast: Censorship, Anti-Semitism, + Social Media's Influence on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details. Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** Get 30 days of free access to science-backed music. ** Mind Pump #2345: The Muscle Mommy Revolution Mind Pump #1622: Nine Signs Your Trainer Sucks Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Jen Cohen (@therealjencohen) Instagram Scott Galloway (@profgalloway) Instagram Jordan B. Peterson (@JordanBPeterson) Twitter  

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through our link. Get 20% off. Go to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code MINDPUMP. Get 20% off. Also, the June special of programs. This one's a big one. Maps 15 minutes. The Bikini bundle of programs and the Shredded Summer bundle of programs and the shredded summer bundle of programs all of those are Half off if you're interested go to Maps fitness products calm and then use the code June 50 for that discount All right, here comes a show When it comes to strength training, you've probably heard us say this before right do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change Well, here's the second part to it. Not only is it the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. Well, here's the second part to it. Not only is it the least amount of work to

elicit the most amount of change, it's also the right amount of work. It's actually the perfect amount of work. You're not compromising results for doing the least amount to elicit the most change. You're actually hitting the perfect sweet spot. In other words, any more than that, any more than the least amount to elicit the most change, only compromises your body's ability to adapt. So it's actually the perfect answer. It's the least amount, it's also the best amount. There is the individual perfect dose for everybody.

Once you start thinking like that, your training is gonna forever change. Yeah, I'm not sure I like the least amount to list the most change analogy better than your optimal versus tolerable. Well that's- Tolerable, cause it's the same thing. It is.

Right, so it'd be interesting to hear from the audience like a survey of like which one clicked for them more. I both, I think you have to hear both, cause what happens, and this happens to all of us right, is you'll do, you'll hit that right amount of volume, intensity, training, you'll get great results, and then you'll, well, if I add more, then I'll get there faster. Yeah, it's logical. Right.

But if you're doing the right amount, more means you'll get there slower. Just like doing less will get you there slower. It doesn't get you there any faster when it comes to strength training. Because remember, strength training is all about the adaptation. How do I send the signal, balance recovery, balance adaptation so that I can build strength, build muscle, sculpt the body, whatever. Any more than that, all you're doing is you're taking away from your body's ability to adapt.

So what you're referring to, Adam, is when I say, you know, you have the right amount and then you have the most you can tolerate before you get into over training. People tend to go more towards what they can tolerate and not the right amount. Which means you're getting results slower. And I have to say this because I have to sell this.

Because when people hear us say, do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change, I think what they think is, okay, well, what they're saying basically is that it's more efficient, you know, it's less time, this is a smarter way to work out. You need more and more analogies.

Right, exactly, well, you have to, you have to. I'm gonna write some. Yeah, because then they'll think, well okay, that's a great message, I get that, but I have time, I have time and I got energy. So if I do a little more then I'll get there faster, right? No, no you don't, you actually get there slower. The right amount is the right amount is the right amount

and so what people should do is less and less and less until they hit that sweet spot versus what people tend to do which is they get the sweet spot how much more can I tolerate how much more can I tolerate how much more can I tolerate and you would be shocked everybody watching and listening to this and even myself I'm constantly shocked by how I overshoot constantly over and I'll look at my program and be like well no no no, no, this is less. I think this is good. I'm doing less than I typically would. And then I'll do less than that and get better results.

Or I'll miss a couple days or go on vacation, come back and be stronger. It's like, oh my gosh, it's so much less than you think is necessary. And on the untrained, it's even less than that. I mean, there's studies that show that one, 15 to 30 second isometric contraction a day. One, one, like for untrained individuals, so they'll have people that don't even work out,

right? And they'll like typical office worker and they'll have them do one hard isometric contraction a day. That's it. In over 12 weeks, this is consistent strain case flexing for the mirror across the board, right? Or you look at, or you look at the data on how much strength training is required to prevent muscle loss. So not build muscle, but just prevent it from going down as they get older, because every decade I think you lose three to five percent muscle mass strength,

something like that, right? The amount of strength training you do just to prevent muscle loss is something like one workout every two or three weeks. Yeah, crazy. It's so much less than you think. It's not even funny. So now there are benefits to being active daily, so I'm not saying.

Yeah, and it's important to separate that, right? Because then somebody's like, well, wait a second, it's going to be good for your heart to do this and move. It's like, OK, well, yeah, that's like when we're talking about body composition, which by the way, is what most of the conversation is about, right? 95 that's like, when we're talking about body composition, which by the way is what most of the conversation is about, right? 95% of the people that we're always addressing

is somebody who wants to reduce the body fat, increase muscle, wants to be stronger, wants to be healthier, fitter, all that stuff fits in that category of what we're talking about right now. That doesn't mean that, hey, once you've reached that level, hey, maybe there's some value in adding some more activity into your life, like yeah, but it's different than changing

body composition. Who do you think we get most pushback from this message? Is it the bodybuilder bros? Is it the super athletes? Or is it the high level executive type, type A person? You just, oh, that's great. Oh, I mean, those are the, that's like the trifecta. Yeah, because we get it from all those. I'm just like, who do you think is the most vocal?

I think athletes are the hardest to change. Yeah, here's the thing with athletes though. There's so many more factors, right? When you're an athlete, you're not just training to stimulate strength and growth. You're also trained to perfect your technique and your skill, which requires a lot. Very different.

To send the signal to build muscle and strength requires very little in comparison to what people think. Now now perfecting a swing or diving off of a high dive or Playing in a game. Well now Frequency it makes a big difference also practicing often often often also I also have the other factor too, which is there's a you also train mental toughness There is a there's value in my body is going to break down, shutting down, but still I have to push through. And so that, and that's why, this is why I make the case

that if we were playing this game, like, which is the worst of those three avatars you just said, athletes are the hardest to get to change their behaviors in training because there are certain things that have served them by training that high a volume, right? Or that intensely, right? That serve them to be able to be, you know, fatigued and hurting and wanting to stop and then being able to mentally push through. There's value in it as an athlete. There's value in every day going and practicing the swing. So you take that

athlete who's already had this, uh, confirmation bias of no, no, no, no, no. I know going to better a basketball, but playing every day. Yeah. So you're not going to tell me dropping down to two or three times a week is a good idea. Like I've already, so that they're probably the hardest, at least with the type a and then the, and then what was the other one you said that bodybuilder

bro, the bodybuilder bros, I feel like they don't have as much of a confirmation bias. Although they're still challenging. Oh yeah, you nailed the three probably hardest type of clients to try and convince. I mean, this whole fitness tip today, it stems from us talking to a Olympic athlete, right? I mean, this is probably where this came from, right? We just had a caller recently who, you know,

was like grossly over-training his entire life and then all of a sudden reduced it when he found the podcast down to Maps Anabolic, saw ridiculous results from it. And then reduced it even more. Then reduced it down to. He got even better results. One day of training every, what was it?

Five days. Five days. Yeah. And saw even more results again. I mean, imagine if you went out on that. By the way, I wanna say this. This is great saw even more results again. I mean, imagine getting out on that. By the way, I want to say this. This is great news for the average person because the average person, look, I, you know, all of us, the three of us were trainers for a long time

and towards the end of our career, I can confidently say that we were among the upper echelon of trainers in terms of success, in terms of getting people to adopt new lifestyle, be able to do this for the rest of their life. And I'm going to tell you right now, as good as I got, I could not take the average person and turn them into a fitness fanatic. It's just not going to happen. The average person, they don't love it like I do.

Otherwise they'd work in fitness. So I got really good at getting people to be consistent two days a week of strength training, two days a week. And then I got them to walk throughout the week to be active. So why is that good news strength training is so protective. It's not the activity itself. That's beneficial It's not the workout itself that gives you all the value. It's the adaptation that it induces. It's the protective effects of muscle It's the insulin sensitivity. It's the storage vessel for carbohydrates or glycogen It's the faster metabolism that buffers you against this modern life where you're surrounded

with so much food. It's protective against being inactive. When you're inactive all day, which most people in modern societies are, even if you work out every day, you're largely inactive just because we sit so often. Our jobs involve lots of sitting. We drive or whatever.

Muscle is protective. So what we're saying is also great news. Like hey, you strength train and you do it right, make it appropriate one or two days a week for the average person. You're gonna get protective benefits that you would otherwise have to get from working out almost every single day.

And if you add a little bit of activity on top of that, where let's say you walk for 10 minutes after breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or a little more, like that's a very little time investment for a tremendous return. So this is all phenomenal news. Now for the fitness fan act that loves living in the gym, um, there's a lot of things you can do in the gym that don't involve heavy strength training that'll help bolster those results.

And then, yeah, there's definitely hardcore. Look, I'm one of those people, right? I go to the gym and I tend to train on what's tolerable versus what's appropriate. And I know this is a constant struggle, but there's a lot of things that I modify in my workouts in order to kind of get away with doing that. But if I were really trying to be as efficient as possible,

my workouts would be- You also tend to recognize when you're in that place, right, before too long, which I think that's also important to know, right, because I think it's important to admit. I don't over train like I used to. Right, I think it's important to admit to the audience that this is an area that you still struggle in, right?

We all still struggle in, right, so it's there. But then you also have the self-awareness to know, like, oh, I'm teetering in there again, I need to go back the other direction, and so that's super key to this. Because at one point, I mean, oh, I'm teetering in there again. I need to go back the other direction. And so that's super key to this. Because at one point, I mean, again, back to this caller we had, who listens to us, has listened for six years, understands a lot of the philosophy and principles

that we talk about. You know, he is a good example to be able to dip in and out of that, to test that. Because this is a moving target. I think that's important that people understand this. It's like, it's not like you figure out what the ideal dose is and it's like, oh, you've solved the equation for.

Here's my dose. Yeah, it's like. That's your dose right now. Yeah. You know, that messes people up too because they'll look back. How many times have you heard this, right? They'll be like, I'm not working out that much.

Man, I used to work out like crazy and I felt fine. I said, well, you also got better sleep. You also didn't have much stress. Didn't have kids. Yeah. Had a different job. But it's like, yeah, life has changed. And so, in the end, all those, including your workout, add to your stress bucket. And you have to understand, and so does day to day with your sleep and nutrition. If you're deprived of nutrition and you're sleep deprived, well, that bucket got a lot smaller. It gets way smaller. Yeah. And so your ability to handle all this other stuff. So it is a move. And I hate to say that because I know that it already seems daunting.

Like, oh, so you're telling me it's like, I got to do less or figure this out. And then, oh, you're telling me it's always going to change. It's like, well, yeah, but the most important point of all of this is that you're always constantly evaluating that and asking yourself, and paying attention to all those things. Like man, I do have a lot going on in my life. Maybe I need to adjust a little bit of this intensity. Right?

Totally, totally. I gotta tell you guys some funny stories. Do you guys remember when you were little, did you guys have like cousins or friends that you always grew up with when you were little that you just? Yeah. Okay, you know, little boys tend to be like this.

Like I remember when I was a kid, I grew up with my cousins, there were nine of us, but in particular, one or two of them, we were always together. And we just fought, that's all we did was fight. We get together, parents would get us together, and it was just, at least one or two fights would occur every single time.

Well now I have my three and a half year old, my brother has a toddler, my sister has like a five year old and we get these kids together and same thing, right? They're always like they play and then they'll fight. Someone cries and they play and so and it's just funny to watch and you know the moms freak out and the dads are just like, they're going to be okay, right? Well anyway we're on the way home from you know we were visiting with my family and my nephew, his name is Francesco, but my son calls him Francescoco. I don't know why he says that. So anyway, we're in the car and like,

did you have fun, buddy? He goes, no, I had no fun. I'm like, what do you mean? And he goes, I tried to slap Francescoco as hard as I could in the face. I'm like, what? What? I'm like, why?

He's like, he took away my magic wand, I guess he had a stick and then his cousin took it from him, broke or whatever. I'm like, oh my God, that's terrible. You must have been so mad. I'm so mad. And then literally two seconds later, is he coming over later? Said, no, he's not coming over.

Why? He's like, I want him to come over. Like I thought you wanted to slap him in the face as hard as you could, but he's so fun. I'm like, okay, dude, we were dying laughter. Like you literally just told me you wanted to kill him. Remember when I told you guys that story of Max I'm like, okay, dude, we were dying laughter. You literally just told me you wanted to kill him. Now you're like.

Remember when I told you guys that story of Max with his best friend about the Mario star, when I had to break them up over that? No. Oh yeah, dude, I told you guys, I think I told it on the podcast a long time ago. Yeah, he was hanging out with his best friend and they got into it.

And I'm like trying to solve the issue. Like, what's going on? He took my star. And I'm like, to solve the issue. Like what's going on? And I'm like, give him his star back. No, where's it at? Like it was make believe. Oh yeah. Wasn't even a real thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Max exactly. I was like, here, give it to me here. They're taking it. He's like, thank you dad. Like really you guys are fighting over a make-believe star that he took from you?

Like just take it back. It's make-believe. Dude. Yeah. We, we set up a few of these like wrestling matches and stuff with the cousins and it's like an ongoing thing and they all kind of test each other out. None of them are trained in like wrestling, thankfully yet, but like that's all gonna change, you know? So we'll see. But it's funny to see how like coordinated and the strength changes and the dynamic changes. Cause one of the cousins was like stronger and everybody. And then all of a sudden you, these other cousins coming up and dude, when you guys were talking about, it reminded me of this one article I read a while ago. This is, this must've been years ago,

but they like busted some daycare center like running showed that legit fight club kids Like what an ultimate hustle was terrible. Yeah. Yeah, they were caught on camera. Yeah recording it dude imagine like They're going straight to the to the to the fire Imagine if that was your kid right and you see this video of your kid being put in a circle to fight So I'd be like, oh wow,. Knowing how my son handles that stuff. I'd be devastated. Dude, I always tell him Katrina was tough.

So Katrina is out of town, right? So she's been gone and I had max myself and, uh, you know, she was talking to me and she's like, you know, how's he been? Cause he had a little bit of like a runny nose and a cold this last week. And typically when he's like that, he's an extra sensitive. Right. And so I said, really good. I said, we haven't had any.

I said, he's been great the whole time. I had notions. I said, we did have one little time where he cried for a second. I said, but I was like, this is my fault, right? And I said, I was putting together this, I bought him this, I don't know if you guys saw the video on his page, but I posted it of this marble,

like Lego, it wasn't Lego, but it was like all these pieces you put together and everything is now, by the way, this is annoying to me. Everything has gone digital. So like, they don't have the old school, open up the instructions and look at it. So if you go on and look at it. Yeah, and so I'm like, so it's on the phone

and the colors don't match what's in here. And I had to scroll from screen to screen. My phone falls asleep every five seconds. So then I got to open it back up again, then go back to the, and like, so like, and it was way more from screen to screen. My phone falls asleep every five seconds so that I got to open it back up again, then go back to the, and like, so like, and it was way more difficult than I thought. So I'm like two hours deep into this stupid toy, like trying to build it.

So granted, I'm like a little irritated, right? So I know this about myself, right? I'm getting frustrated that this thing is way more difficult than I anticipated. And it says like for six year olds and above, so I should be able to put it together fine, right? So I'm having a hard time with it. And it comes with these three little marbles. And I'm like trying to put it together and doing my thing and stuff like that. And Max is like starting to grab the marbles and he's playing with it. I said, Max, I said, just play

with one of them. I don't want you to lose, don't lose those because that's the main part to this thing. And so, and then I go back to what I'm doing. I'm not really paying attention to him. the main part to this thing. And so, and then I go back to what I'm doing. I'm not really paying attention to him. And he's playing with them and he's like juggling them over by the couch and they fucking fall down the crack and disappear, right? And he, oh daddy, I lost him.

And I looked at, and I knew because I was so irritated and frustrated that I gave him a look he's never seen before. Like I looked up and I was like irritated. Like I told you not to play with the marbles because you don't lose those. And that literally is what I said. I told you and I gave him a look that he hadn't seen yet. And he just looked at me.

He devastated. Oh God, I'm so sorry and just broke down crying. I'm like, it's okay dude, there's no reason to cry. Daddy's not mad, I'm not mad, but that was why. You know, I had to explain to him. But I told Katrina, I'm like, God, our son is so damn sensitive. I said, I didn't even, I didn't even, I said, I didn't yell. I swear to god, I didn't say anything sharp to him. It didn't change my tone. But I gave him a look that I know he hadn't seen because I, he's probably never seen me that irritated with something. And I was in the middle. I said, I know it was me. I was frustrated that

stupid game. And then he, I told him something then he lost it and it was just a look a look At disappointment, you know, I look at disappointment like broke it down My my son's been doing this thing now where he gets one of our suitcases our rollaway suitcases He brings it downstairs and he goes I'm going to work now and he rolls off and then we have this chair in the playroom And he sits on the plate. He sits in the chair and he go, what are you doing? He goes, I'm mind pump He goes hi. Welcome to mindump. He goes, hi, welcome to Mindpump. I'm gonna buy some money. And then he gets up and he buys some money.

I don't know why he thinks I buy money. Like so that's how it works. Then he gets a suitcase and he comes back. I'm back now. Oh my God, that's cool. He wants to do what I do. That's funny. It's so cute.

Have you seen, so I think it's so cool they have these now. The suitcases for kids to ride. I have. Yeah, we bought one. I thought they have one with the, that you can control too. Oh, I don't know about that.

Have you seen the electric ones? They're like the electric motor, yeah. Oh, they do? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. This one has like a seatbelt on it and he's got a cushion where you sit on it. It's just, it's just, it's just,

yeah, it's a suitcase. It's kind of like, yeah, it's a suitcase and it's shaped so it has a seat on it and everything. It has handles for him to hold on to. It has a seatbelt that buckles around it. Like so clutch for the airport. I mean, we've traveled a lot with him, right? So it's like-

I gotta get that. We got all the cool stuff now for kids. Bro, so- At least we had wheelies when I grew up. He's entertained by it. You know, like how often you taking a kid through an airport that's his age. It's like you're dragging him along.

It sucks. Yeah, it sucks. Terrible. Or you carry him and you're exhausted because you gotta throw him on your shoulders. And so, yeah, what a cool invention that, uh, that they came up with that. And he absolutely, he loves it.

He rides around on it the whole time. It's like, you just reminded me by saying airport. I just remembered, uh, cause airports, fast food or whatever. I had, you know what I had the other day for the first time for a long time, McDonald's chicken nuggets, dude, do you know how disgusting? So I had them not that long ago, for the first time in years. I didn't realize how disgusting they were, and I attribute that to being ruined by Butcher Box's chicken

nuggets. Way better. Because of their chicken nuggets, I all of a sudden feel, because I used to love McDonald's chicken nuggets, and there was never a time in my life where I didn't. Owing out orders there. Yes. Even as an adult, as I got older, if I was going to go through McDonald's, I was like, I'll get some chicken nuggets. And there was never a time in my life where I did- That was an owing out order there. Yes. Even as an adult, as I got older, it was like if I was going to go through McDonald's,

it was like, I'll get some chicken nuggets or something like that. That's, you know, get some protein, right? That was my justification of that, right? I'll do that. That's not that bad. And I liked the way they taste. Gizzard nuggets. Did not realize how gross they taste until I got used to the butcher box. It's so, exactly. Same thing. So my sister had her kids over, she ordered some for them. They have a lot of food allergies and stuff. It's one of the places she trusts, you know, whatever.

So she orders them, she got a bunch of extras. So I ate some of them and you know, what's interesting about like McDonald's, they've really mastered how to process and engineer their foods. And this is something that I think is characteristic of heavily processed foods. If you don't need a lot of processed foods initially,

you're like, ew, this is gross. Keep going, keep going. All of a sudden you like it. Addictive. Weird, weird, because I had like one or two and I'm like, ugh, I don't like these, you know? But because they were there, I'm with the kids, I had a couple more and I'm like, I want another one,

but they're not good, why do I want another one? You get through the first hump of disgust. Yeah. So what is that, Sal? Remember I shared that with you guys when I did that whole, so when I was competing, I shared that I did an entire show where I went all Whole Foods, all natural,

no shakes, no bars, no nothing. Like all like one way. And then the next show after that, I introduced all the shakes and all the bars I'd want. Even sometimes I'd have three bars. As long as it worked within your macros. That's right, as long as it fit the macros. I was, and I really wanted to test like how I felt,

what I looked different, all this stuff like that, right? And being honest, like there wasn't a huge difference aesthetically, right? I was pretty close. I know it's a little bit of a difference being all whole foods, natural, but all in all, it got me just as ripped. But what I was so fascinated with testing that was that when I had cut it out and I went all in all, it got me just as ripped. But what I was so fascinated with testing that

was that when I had cut it out and I went all over, and then when I reintroduced it, the bars were disgusting to me. And I remember being like, oh man, this is going to ruin my test. And so I made myself eat three or four of them in a row, like three or four days in a row of like introducing them. And by about the third or fourth day, I started to like them again. And then I went from liking them to craving them. It was so interesting to watch that happen. I think what it is is that, so these foods are engineered to hit all those pleasure receptors and whole natural foods don't hit the receptors in the same way because they're not engineered

like that, right? They're not created foods. They're foods that are in nature. So I feel like initially it's overwhelming. It's like when a kid doesn't, or how about this, like if you would never eat sugar and then you eat something that's really sugary, oh, that's too much. Keep eating it and then all of a sudden

it doesn't become too much. The body adapts to it. Right, so I think what happens is you're just, you're overwhelmed with the engineered like hammering on these receptors and then you do it a few more times and the body adjusts. That's such a good analogy because you're overwhelmed with the engineered hammering on these receptors. And then you do it a few more times and the body adjusts. That's such a good analogy, because you're right. Today, even today, because the way I introduce

and have sweets in my diet is minimal in comparison to how it was when I was younger. There are certain candies, treats, and sweets that I loved, say 20 years ago, that now are like, oh! Overwhelming. Overpowering. Yes. But I'm sure if I were to keep are like, oh! Overwhelming. Overpowering. Yes.

But I'm sure if I were to keep eating it, that eventually that I get. Speaking of which, by the way, you guys remember the famous documentary, Supersize Me? Which, by the way, that happened to the guy in that, do you guys remember the first one? I remember him going through that process. Yes.

He was like repulsed for like, I don't know, it was like the first week or so. And then he craved it. Yeah, and he just went crazy. So that's the only way he could get through it. That exact thing happened to him. He did not want to do that. I do not want to remember that now.

And then he's like, I crave it, I crave it, I crave it, even though I feel like garbage, even though I don't feel good, I want more and more and more. Anyway. How long was that span that he? I want to say it was like a week or two. No, no, no. You know, I mean like,

he's been like, cramming the McDonald's in, was it a full year? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think it was 60 days check it out Doug I thought you meant like how look cuz I do remember it he started off and he was like he wasn't really it was by Day 3 he wasn't enjoying it. But within the within a week he was like 30-day 30-day experiment. It was 30 days 30 by the way, what happened at the end of that 30-day experiment? What was what it is? It's you should be able to look up, like his weight gain.

His cholesterol went up. His lipids went all over the place. Yeah. It was terrible. He gained 25 pounds. In a month. Yeah. Increased cholesterol, depression, sexual dysfunction, fatigue, all that.

By the way, that guy just died. Wow. He just died recently. He's young. He's not, yeah, he wasn't even that old. 50s, I think. So can you find out. What was the diagnosis? Cancer, I think. Cancer. He's young. He's not, yeah, he wasn't even that old. 50s I think? So can you find out- It was a diagnosis.

Cancer I think. Cancer. Yeah, yeah. Can you find out, because we were speculating on this, I think Andrew was bringing up that he got in good shape afterwards. Do you know, because they did a second one. Yeah, they ran it again. What was the second one about?

Was it this, it wasn't the same press, he wouldn't have done the same thing, is it? Yeah. I don't remember. I would have to, yeah. Look up what supersized me too. He picked another fast food place. Now we do Taco Bell. Let's see what happens. Right.

Leveraging on all these people. I'll do you next time. Way more diarrhea. That was a factor. Yeah, you know that his, by the way, that documentary, McDonald's removed the supersize because of that. Oh, wow.

Because you got so much bad press. Yeah. In fact, I don't even think they still, to this day. They started like subtly incorporating salads. Their large is like a super size now. Yeah, so his second movie was about chicken. Apparently he opened his own chicken fast food place.

Oh. Anyway, he was 53 years old when he passed. Yeah, that one was like about MSG and stuff, I think. Right. Was it? Yes. I don't remember, so maybe I didn't watch it. like about MSG and stuff, I think. Was it? Yes. I don't remember, so maybe I didn't watch it. So I think that's what, I know I watched it, I just can't remember it from the life of him.

Yeah, by the way, a lot of people are, of course, they're like, oh, it's because he did supersize me, that's why he got cancer, whatever. I don't think, I don't know what a 30 day, just garbage food diet, how that would impact that. No way, bro. If that was the case, then every bodybuilder would be dying. I was gonna say the extreme shift of.

Yeah, yeah, if that was the case, literally, everybody, like, because the extreme overeating that a competitor does for 30 days, in other words, is insane. Speaking of which, though, I've brought this up before. It ain't good for you, that's for sure.

As unhealthy as pro bodybuilders are, and believe me, they're very unhealthy. You're talking about lots of drugs hormones they push their bodies they overfeed they starve themselves for show that stuff they still have a lower cancer rate than the average person which which points by the way it makes that point yeah it points to the protective effects of muscle yeah strength training is the most anti cancer form of exercise I think if I'm not mistaken strength training will reduce your all cancer across the board by a quarter.

You know what I mean? Obviously, I can't do it now, but it would be great to have seen him do the exact same 30-day experiment and only but add strength training three days. With McDonald's? Yes. Oh. Imagine what a difference, I guarantee, in 30 days.

So just 12 workouts. So in those 30 days, so just 12 workouts. So in those 30 days he does 12 workouts with eating exactly the same way. The outcome would have been dramatically different in my opinion. Oh yeah, absolutely. All the extra calories and carbs and stuff,

a lot of it would have gone to muscle. He still would have not had his health, I mean he still would have seen some negative effects. Sure, sure. But way better. So yeah, I mean I've been embodying our message in terms of just sticking with strength training and lifting weights. However, I went for like this hike, uh,

recently on the weekend. I thought you were getting in trouble or something like that or the wife. Like what is Justin doing? He kicked him out of the house. Yeah. I was like, Oh, he must be so into it. I really try to get some tonight. And so, and I was like, I'm usually an outdoor guy and I'm like all up for it, but I have not been doing any kind of cardiovascular training like at all.

If not too, I'm in a cut. And so I was like very low calorie. And I, you know, I was like, I'll just hydrate and eat a little bit. Dude, I was dying. Like in the, the weather started warming up. And so on top of that, I started getting really hot. And like, we were out, I don't know, it was only like three or four miles.

Like we went in total, but like I had to hit, you know, do you know, do you guys have this where all of a sudden now it's getting real and it's like, you just shut everybody off. And you're like, I'm going like fight motor. Oh yeah. Like I had to go fight motor and like, why are you so, you're not enjoying this and you're not taking the scenery. I'm just like, fuck off, dude. I'm just like, you know, mode on my entire way back to the car. Yeah, competitive switch.

And they didn't understand that. They're like, why did you, why were you such a bummer? You know, to everybody. Just ignore me and go talk amongst yourselves. I was fucking struggling. What do you want me to sit here and complain and be like, meh, meh? You know, like I'm out.

Justin, you missed an opportunity for connection by telling them that you didn't feel good. Speaking of, please share with the audience because you're now on, I want to say week three or four of trisepatite. Yeah. Is that what week you're on? Yeah. He went too aggressive. I went too aggressive for the third week. And so yeah, that was the other part of the story was, um, so the previous two days, uh, uh, before that I ran my dose. Oh, well, sorry. So I did two weeks at a lower dose and then I went the third week, I went up and then it like thinking it wasn't going to be that dramatic.

Uh, and the first day wasn't really, I could sense that I had a little bit of like stomach distress and was like, well, maybe I'll stick with the liquid and shakes and then I started introducing like whole foods and I was like not having it, dude. And then all of a sudden it hit me and I was like really sick. Like I was pretty, pretty like, uh, you threw up.

Did you threw up? I was, I was in, in like whatever most people have described in terms of like, when they get all the symptoms that are negative, it all hit me like a rainfall. So I wasn't happy about that. Uh, and then the following day too, it was sort of recovering and going through the same thing.

But so I just decided to just be cool. I get just hydrate, electrolytes, and then, you know, stick with like shakes and kind of build my way back. You went up to the starting quarter dose. I'm glad you brought that up. Not even a full dose. Now I'm a full dose. So I know another guy that same thing.

He took the starting quarter dose and he got sick. Yeah. So weird how individuals differ and how they respond. Yeah, and it's like, I'm not gonna throw it all out You know And this is the other thing too like a lot of people like even my wife and just stop doing that What are you doing yourself? You know, I'm like I was on the wrong dose Like I just go down like and I was getting benefit in like it was helping to kind of curb some cravings and things

You know the previous two weeks So anyways, but that does happen. And it was a struggle for me. So all that leading up to that hike, you know, I had that kind of going against me as well. And it's like hard for me to communicate all that to everybody involved in the hike. And so they were kind of leaving me in the dust. I was getting pissed off, you know, but I didn't want to like not finish it, you know, because

I'm an asshole. No, you know, look weak. Take a nap under the tree. Yeah. You guys go ahead. I'm just going to sleep over here. Yeah.

So I'm just like, you know, I just took off. I'm like, fuck you. Was it open or were there trees covering and stuff? Were you out in the sun? Open, out in the sun, just cactus. Justin doesn't like heat. I don't. I'm not a fan of the heat.

And really, for me, it's like I do it as a way to toughen myself up, right? Like I don't wanna be a pussy. Yeah, well, well. And so that's where I'm at. Well, you did well. Yeah. You did well. So I got through it.

How hard did it get down there this weekend? You know, it wasn't terrible. It was like high 80s, 90s, like at the max, but. Perfect hanging out and pool day. Dude, it was beautiful actually. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, speakings, like at the max, but perfect hanging out and pool day. Dude, it was beautiful actually. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, speaking of which, by the way, Peptide World Conference or Congress?

Congress. Peptide World Congress is happening in, I'm going to be speaking at this event. This is in Vegas. 500 doctors, yeah? Yeah, well, practitioners and doctors. I'm going to be talking about strength training, of course. I'm not going to talk about peptides.

That's not my expertise. But this is like, you're gonna learn the cutting edge, like what's happening with peptides, you know, basically looking forward. And this is Dr. Seed's event, so he's like one of the best in the world. So if you're, now, can you go as like a normal person or do you have to be a practitioner to even have that?

I think anybody can go. I think have access? I think anybody can go. I think so too. I think anybody can go. Two days, 30 plus speakers. Yeah, I'm the plus. Yeah, yeah, 30 plus lectures. Yeah, it's gonna be good, it's gonna be. But look at, enhanced aging, age-related disease,

clinical peptides, hormone therapy they're discussing, I mean, all kinds of stuff. So I'll tell you guys this, so, I mean, all kinds of stuff. Fishing repair. I'll tell you guys this, so, and again, all of us are experimenting with these, because these are just, they're here, they're not going anywhere, and these are culture shifting, I've said this before, peptides, these GLP-1s.

I'm on a very, very low dose, I'm not going up, I don't want appetite suppression, I'm looking for the other potential effects. I'm telling you guys right now, I'm getting the strangest pumps in the gym, like it's anabolic. Weird, it's weird. I had a PRM pull ups today.

And by the way, my body weight's going up, so I definitely not getting the appetite suppressing effects. And I did over 21, I did 21 and a half pull ups today. A body weight like 218, which is weird. And I think it's the, it shuttles amino acids and glucose into muscles. And I think that's what I'm experiencing.

Are you noticing anything like that, Justin? Are you seeing anything like in the workouts or anything else? Anything else in your life that you're noticing besides just the rough time you just had? Yeah, no, I actually enjoyed the first two weeks. I had no impact with energy. I actually felt more energy.

I felt like, um, I was unconsciously making better decisions with like my food and, um, more hydration and like, I was doing a lot of the, uh, better habits and I was actually my, my caffeine intake was less, which I thought was interesting. Oh, okay. So that did affect that. Yeah. It affected that and affected my alcohol consumption a bit, which I thought was interesting. Oh, okay, so that did affect that. Yeah, it affected that and it affected my

alcohol consumption a bit, which on the weekends, I'll tend to have a few and do that, but it was like, eh, I just would, I'd do like one or two drinks, and normally I'd have like four, and it was like, fine. You know, it would be interesting too, I can't wait to, you not so much

because you're such a low dose, but it'll be interesting when you come off and with the appetizer. Mine came roaring back, right? But one of the things that I noticed that I did, which was, and I think this is going to be so crucial to people having coaches and trainers take them through this process is, so everybody knows that the ice cream thing that I have, right, this ice cream addiction, and I just love that. That's like my thing at nighttime, is all that. So I didn't have any desire for that with the, when I was on the trisepatite, right?

In fact, I remember I took a bite just to see what it'd be like, and I was just like, ah, not at all. Then all of a sudden the appetite comes back. And I didn't have, because I haven't had the ice cream, I didn't have this strong pull towards it, but I haven't had the ice cream, I didn't have this strong pull towards it, but I definitely had the like, oh, I could go for it. You had a memory of it. Yes, I had a memory of it. But what was great was that when that happened, I had an alternative,

right? And this was something I used to do when I competed, because obviously you couldn't eat pints of ice cream and get on stage and compete, right? It's not going to happen. So Greek yogurt, and I have Greek yogurt with real fruit and sprinkle a little bit of granola in there. And it gives me that similar type of sweet treat. And it's, so I've been back to that and it's been this nice thing that is supplemented. And what's also great about that is that Greek

yogurt is high in protein. And I already know that I'm somebody. So you get that too. So I'm getting that also. And so I've seen such positive benefits of exchanging the ice cream addiction for that. But the reason why I'm bringing that up is there was a very important moment that happened where I made that decision that I think a lot of people are going to struggle with that if they don't have guidance or help.

Because I very easily could have went, I'll do the ice cream. And I definitely would have enjoyed it again. And then I could have seen how that would just kick up that. Yeah. And I just don't like the whole idea of, uh, you know, I'm going to be on some, I mean, I get that this, there's cases where this is just, this is just how it is, but I like approaching things like this with a, how can we use this? Um, and then how can we, how can we use this in a way to where we can come off,

that we don't need it anymore. And without a coach working with you, I just don't see how that's going to happen for the average person. I just don't see it. I think what will happen to the average person is like, wow, when I'm on it, I eat less. When I'm off it, I eat more. So let me just stay on it all the time. But working with a coach, I think you have a really good chance, or a much better chance at least, at being able to work through it afterwards, you know, on your own. Because like you said, Adam, what happens is if you have this treat or this behavior that you're engaged in often, and then you don't engage for it for three months, you weaken the neural connections with that behavior.

That's what ends up happening in the brain at least, right? Those neural connections weaken. Now that doesn't mean you don't have a memory of it. Right? So you ask an ex smoker who smoked a lot and then they quit. And you ask them 10 years later after quitting, you know, do you ever think about cigarettes? They said, well, you know, I could, I would enjoy one, but I'm cool without one.

So you remember that you'll enjoy it, but it's not the same pull. So if you work, right? So if you work with a coach through that process, it could be just enough to get you away from. To me, that is going to be the make or break situation in this, do we see a net positive or a net negative from this situation? Because 100% from my experience going through it now, it works incredible when it comes to crushing the appetite

and helping someone lose weight, but 100% it all comes flooding back. Now, but does it mean though that I now have the willpower to not make the decision, and if I train myself to make better decisions when those memories resurface, I don't feel like I'm missing out at all. I've actually really been enjoying almost every night having this Greek yogurt and fruit bowl thing

that I've been making and I don't feel like, oh my God, I want the ice cream so bad. It's like, oh, this is nice. I'm really excited to hear what they're gonna say at this Peptide World Congress, because I know this is gonna be, this has to be. Yeah, it's all groundbreaking information. This has to be like,

The main conversation. Yeah, this is gonna be around, a lot of stuff around this. But I can't wait to hear what they have to say because I think a lot of these doctors are figuring out dosing is different from individual to individual, starting people slow, that might be the way to go. What does this look like afterwards? Do we, you know, and one of the reasons why I'm-

Even less than has been prescribed. And I got invited to speak specifically by Dr. Seeds because for people, no, we've had him on the show. I remember when we had him on by Dr. Seeds because for people who don't know, we've had him on the show. I remember when we had him on the show, he walked in, I'm like, oh, you're Jack. He's like a, dude lifts weights, and he legit lifts weights, right?

He understands the benefits of strength training, and when we talk off air, he's like, yeah, we gotta get doctors to, especially if they're gonna work with these peptides, get people to strength train, because it makes such a big, and he knows, he understands, because he lifts weights himself. Anyway, Justin, you have to, I'm gonna give this to you. I'm gonna just hand this off, because I wanna hear

you break down your theory on the economy. He had this beautiful theory. Yes, right now. Because we were talking about how the 80s used to crush with the economy. Right now, we're in a fentanyl economy. Okay? Bunch of zombies.

No, it makes sense. It makes sense, because you said the 80s crushed because of the cocaine economy. 80s cocaine. Cocaine. Bring back the cocaine. With the big drugs. Is that your campaign?

Look how productive you are. Bring back the cocaine. It's not a coincidence. Yeah. Yeah. So we gotta get everybody off fentanyl, get them back on cocaine. Oh my God.

So we start to just offend anybody who's had problems with fentanyl. I know. on cocaine. Oh my God. So we start to just offend anybody who's had problems with fentanyl or cocaine. I mean, I'm sure there is some correlation there, let's be honest. I mean, when the economy's booming and there's extra money and stuff like that, cocaine is known as like the rich man's drug, right? An expensive drug, fentanyl probably not so much, right?

Or crystal meth, that's probably the other one that's really cheap and bad, right? So I'm sure that the economy's in a little rougher spot now, so people tend to go that, ugh. I think, you know, all joking aside, what's really interesting to me is if you look at the trends with drugs and their effect on music, I think that's much more clear.

Like, if you look at- Positively, you mean? Just, you just see the music change, because the drugs change. You know, although, okay, so interesting, I think I've actually read statistics on this because I think that's actually like a viable strategy in investing in stocks

is alcohol and cigarette stocks tend to go up in a down economy. Of course. Because more and more people are drinking and smoking and stuff like that. So probably drug usage in general in a bad economy is that it's all to God. But I mean in terms of music.

But I like your cocaine and fentanyl. Just switch them out. No, but like if you want, like the Beatles is a good example. Listen to the Beatles, the music of the Beatles. Before drugs. And then psychedelics kicked in and everything changed all of a sudden. So I think there's definitely something there.

So are you advocating for like musicians should have to use it? They're gonna say that anyway. We'll get more keytar if we get cocaine Whatever happens the keytar do know It was like a thing for a minute. That's what that's like a guitar. Yeah, it's a keyboard the keyboard and Did you guys see that video did you guys see the video I posted on I don't really I rarely ever posting on my wall But it was so good. I wanted to post it on my wall

So leave it up there for a little while. On my Instagram, did you see the guys playing the guitar? No. Oh my God, Dougie, pull it up so they can see this. So good, so I wanna be able to give the credit to who they are, because obviously they're probably super famous. I didn't know who they were.

But they, it looked like they were playing at like an opera house type place. Playing the guitar to Michael Jackson, but like, uh, I want to say four guys, four guys are playing on one guitar. Did you see it? Justin? I didn't. Oh, you'll find like four guys using one guitar. Yes. Watch. Hopefully Doug can play the video. See my kind of content. It's so good, dude. So good. Are they like reaching around each other? Yes. Yes. Watch. Watch. Okay. They're all playing at once.

Wow. And you really got to trust the guys. And I have some questions here. How would you feel if there was a dude around you? I'm going to enhance what you're doing. Yeah. Helping you play guitar, bro. Can I get ready? Oh, that looks fun. Let me try to ridiculously talented to do that. Yeah. I mean, already to play Michael Jackson on an acoustic, like that's probably already. Really? Are you going to be that old guy that goes to weird concerts? I would totally go

Are you, I 100% are you like, do you like Yanni? Uh, I'm not a big Yanni guy, but I would definitely go to some. He knew who he was though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Well, so I went to a Yanni concert. I would definitely go to some, he knew who he was though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So I, do you guys, are you guys that big? Like do you guys not do Mount winery? I actually like mountain winery and they have stuff like this. I always thought when I retired, I'd be that guy. Yeah. I just, okay. I have, uh, I have such an appreciation for talent. Yeah. Like I'm not, I'm not a major, you know, some of my people are very like,

like Zam fear. It's like, I don't know what that is. Zamfear, he plays the pan flute. You ever see him? No, not a big flute guy. Although maybe he feels really good, right? So he's amazing though. But you know how some people are like about a genre, right? Just like how people get with cars or things. It's just like, ah, I'm this. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, I'm like, I just have this appreciation for talented people.

I don't care what John Rudd is. Like, I could probably listen to damn near anything. That's why I love going to cities that really, you find like so many gems, like Nashville, or even for me, it was Chicago. Before that, like, I didn't know all these blues artists and people out there that were just like, you would never run across them otherwise

unless you're in that location because they just don't get the opportunity. I mean, a lot of people say that in the industry that some of the best artists are unknown. Are the ones that are not? Yeah, they're unknown. They just didn't have the right connections to so-and-so or they weren't as marketable.

They don't market themselves well because they're just like a true artist. Or they don't want to sleep with a producer or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But hey, you know what, speaking of music, so my three-year-old, I think he really wants to play the drums.

So we go to church every Sunday. And I've been bringing him consistently now for about maybe six weeks or so. It's tough with kids, but they're going consistently. And now when they do the music, I'm watching him. And I got to film it because it's hilarious. I watch him, and he watches them, and then he does this with his hands.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's like trying to copy the drummer with his hands. Oh, because it's hilarious. I watch him and he watches them and then he does this with his hands. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, he's like trying to copy the drummer. With his hands, I'm like, oh shit, all right. Doing the fill at the end. Yeah, dude, like, oh that's cool. So, okay, are you guys, I'm bad like this, right? And I'm trying to correct this behavior of mine.

I get so excited, like when my son shows up. I know exactly what you do. Yeah. You jump all over it? Yeah, I do. No, no, no, you can't let him know. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I want to encourage it, right? So it's just like, okay, we're into soccer.

Let's go get the soccer ball and the goal. And I'm saying, then, it's not a thing. And then it's like, oh, we're into drums. We bought all the drums. We're not into it the next day. It's like, fuck off, bro. You know? So, but then I'm like, what do I do?

So I ignore it, and I just wait until he's obsessed about it, then he's begging for it? You know, you have to, so Jessica does this really well. I'm terrible at it. She's really good at it, where she matches their energy. So if he comes in and he's like, oh my God, look what I did! Then she'll be like, oh my God, that's so awesome.

But if he's like, oh look, I like this thing, she'll be like, oh that's really cool. So you have to kind of match their. So I think I feel like I'm kind of like that. I don't feel like. And then you buy like everything. But I do go buy it. I do go buy the shit, you know what I'm saying?

Well, I mean, if he's going to line up, if he's into the drums, like you're saying, like I remember this exact moment, it was around a real estate age where we were at a, Trudy's family always would have live music. We have live music a lot at our parties. And so we have a live band there and they were in a break and my son goes walking over there and he climbed up on the thing and he grabbed the sticks and he like, like was playing, dude.

It was the most insane thing ever. She was like, Oh my God, like I have this savant. This is so fucking Christmas. You know what I'm saying? Like hella ever. She was like, oh my God, like I have this savant. This is crazy. So I had fucking Christmas, you know what I'm saying? Like hella early. He's like barely there. Big old drum set. Yeah, two years old.

I give him like a fucking professional drum set. I mean, for like that whole break, I mean, he was into it. Like we were definitely beating on him, some of that. But then they quickly, like, were old news. I know. I mean, it's tough, dude. Yeah, they're going to fix. Like with Everett, he's already lost interest

in the DJing thing. I thought, oh, this is so rad. No,'s already lost interest in the DJing thing. I know I went to With you I went too hard into that like thinking it was gonna become a thing But you know what he's into now is just skateboarding and I haven't even been a part of that at all Oh, you know, I'm like, of course, you know He loves it cuz his friend does it and like he's we got more we got a good thing for you to get into bro I probably got a good I know you've seen like, you know, already when I do these like parkour videos, like I fuck myself up.

I'm not ready for like cement. No. And you don't have a really good like, like, like barometer. Yeah. You don't have a barometer of danger. Justin's like, I'll try that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All aggressive. So let's go hit the half pipe tomorrow. It's like, let's go bro. You just cut back on some for a learn through pain. Speaking of wheels, Doug, pull this up so the guys can see this too. You guys see the new feature that the new Mercedes G

wagon has. So OK, explain this to me. You're the car guy. What's the deal with the G wagon? I don't think it's anything. It's not special. It looks like a big toe. Oh, bro, I'm going to piss.

But it's a big toe. It's a big square. It's overrated. It has a Jeep big toaster. Oh, bro, I'm gonna piss my pants. A big toaster. Doesn't it? It's hell overrated. It has a Jeep suspension on it. It's not gonna sound like me with the Cybertruck. It's a, it's a, it's a. No, Cybertruck's cool. So first of all, it's got, it got its popularity. It's a Mercedes, it's cool, it's quick for a.

But what is it, is it more a status symbol because it's expensive? Well, it's two things. It's a Mercedes, so there's a status symbol. It's fast for a SUV, and most importantly, how it got popular is because it hits the 6,000 pound requirement. And so everybody who is an entrepreneur that has a little bit of extra money writes it off as a business expense.

Or Cardo. What's his name again? Cardona. Oh, Grant Cardone. Yeah. Yeah. He, he, he did a whole video on that. Yeah. So it's right. Yeah. It falls under the, the 6,000 pound or what that's so it's probably, but you're right. So I mean, I looked at him. I want to, I want to watch this. I like how I go. Let it go. Whoa.

Is that crazy or what they just spin, bro? It's a, it's a, it's a feature. It's a, it's a feature. It does a complete 180 without, is that sick? Wow. That is cool. It's kind of cool I don't know where I'd use that. Yeah, no If you're surrounded by bad guys like synchronized swimming for I mean, is that cool though?

It's like I have no idea where I'd use it. I feel like we use it. You're gonna just bust it on the street Well, I actually didn't see this one that's on those videos where everybody plans it out ahead of time You know and they all pop up and they do like these dance moves I mean, well, how many times have you flipped around went back to the direction? I mean the fact you could just get on the same road sure no We time I didn't go the same direct like if you was it with a two-lane road. You're running a country It'd be a good way to flex right well Tell me your friend- You get pulled over and all of a sudden you just go.

Tell me you've never had a situation where you're on a two lane highway or something like that and you've pulled the right and you have to flip around and you gotta go, it's too small of a road, you gotta do a three point turn and then go. And so it'd be like whoop, and then you're back to the other. I just feel like it's more of a way to flex, like you got your friend in the car like,

oh man, I took a wrong turn, watch this. Oh shit! Yeah, it does that. I mean it is. It's a little over the top, but it's kind of cool though. I do feel like that's a good, like again, if you're surrounded by bad guys, you got your gun, you know what I mean? You just hit that button. I mean at that point you should have the hydraulic effects too, just be like, yeah.

I don't get them though. They look like big toasters. Hey, imagine someone's like riding your ass and you get to the next stop light and you flip around and you're looking right at them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. then you flip back around. And then you flip back around and that would be cool. That would be a way I do it too. You know what I'm saying?

Someone's riding my ass because the stoplight like. Yeah. I would do that. You, you, you, you're an asshole. I would embarrass my teen daughter with that. Go pick her up and just start spinning in the parking lot. Get in the car, honey. She's so funny, dude, when I drop her off.

Listen, when I drop her off, it's the funniest thing ever. It doesn't matter what's on the radio, it doesn't matter. Everything has to be silent. I can't talk or nothing. She turns everything off. I'm like, nobody can hear that. Shh, shh. She says to me, I'm like, so, well, wait till you open

the door, watch what happens. Sure enough, she opens the door. Bye, honey, I love you, ah, but I miss you. She's like, stop it. Kids are great. Kisses. You know, more cool stuff. I saw another new thing that's coming out.

And I don't know if they're for sale yet, but this is going to be interesting. Apple, their new Air Buds. Did you see these yet? No. So the new Air Buds with cameras built into them. In your ears? Yeah.

So I mean, so the cameras are just designed to give you that. So you know, like all the, we've been talking about all the, not AI, to give you that. So you know, like all the, we've been talking about all the, not AI, but augmented reality stuff. So it's gonna be able to like process everything your eyes are seeing and then be able to give you feedback and stuff like that.

Like, be able to list, like so I'll be able to look at, say, a spec of a car would be an example and it'd tell me the model of it right away. Be able to access Google and stuff like that. So imagine seeing things, be able to just say it, and it's already, and it sees what you're looking at, and then be able to, yeah. Wow.

Is this their real goal, this is to collect data, so that way it feeds into something else eventually? Like, what's the benefit to this? I mean, that's a good question, Justin. Like, what's the, I don't know if it's like just staying on cutting edge technology and being able to first be, because the AR and AI is the race right now, right?

Everything is AI, AR type like technology. Is the desired outcome just more data so they can better market to you? Maybe. It always reminds me of that Black Mirror episode where everything's always recorded. Yes. And then remember the husband and wife can- You zoom in the background and you can listen to conversations you didn't hear. Yeah. Or yeah. Or remember though,

I think it was a part where they were gotten an argument and he's like, you didn't say that. Yeah, you did. I remember that one. Is that a good or a bad feature? Bad, bad. It would be bad. Yeah. It's so it kind of keeps people on. Yeah. I can. Yeah. I kind of feel like we're probably the ones that are watching your peas and keys. But we lose because they're just better at arguing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah.

I feel like if I had a rewind button, I feel like I'd get at least, at least 25% more wins. Now, but would you still win or would you still lose? No, this is what I said. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't mean it that way. Yeah, that's a deep fake. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah, no, I think it would generally be a bad thing after everything I recorded. Did you pull them up, Doug?

I didn't see them. I don't think they're a thing. Air, yes, they're a thing. Airbud cameras? Did you get tricked, Adam? Did you get one of those big, oh, speaking of tricked, hey, you know what I saw?

I saw this the other day and I thought it was insane and other people are confirming this. So there was this video of this young, it was a TikTok video, okay? I'll just paint the context. It was a TikTok video of this young lady talking about how her boyfriend went off to play golf and he's been gone all day, he hasn't come back yet,

I wanted to hang out with him, whatever, so she's complaining to the camera. Now, this girl is narrating this particular video. So you know, those videos where there's like one person in here and she's talking about it. She goes, now check this out. She goes, now check this out. She shows the comments under the video on her Tik Tok. And it's a bunch of women saying things like, how rude is he?

He didn't even call you. How dare he take a whole day? Doesn't he want to hang out with you? He doesn't value your time. She goes, I had my had my boyfriend pull up the video and read the comments, totally different comments on his version of TikTok, same video. The comments were dudes, why can't she find

something else to do? Leave the guy alone, God, he just wants a break. And she's like, oh shit. They're already segmenting it. No, I think what we're seeing is potential foreign actors trying to just sow discourse. Did you see that clip?

And it's in the commenters, it's all fake. Did you see that clip of Scott Galloway with Jen Cohen? No. Oh, you didn't see that? No. So that was a clip she posted just recently of her interview with him. I like it, so I've read a couple of his, and I've showed you some of his clips before.

He's kind of like, he's a pretty good central guy. Sometimes he leans liberal, I feel like, but then sometimes he has some conservative, I think, views on some stuff. So good person, I think, to listen to, for the most part. And he was talking about that, like, we're like, as far as a country, we are doing so much better than what like media makes you feel like or tells you.

And a lot of our, but our number one thing that we are doing terrible is like just against each other. Like we are, and if you think that- And that's what other countries are doing. And he says, if you think that Russia and China aren't in their meddling in that, because they can't beat us in everything else, we are beating them at.

We are better than them at and so on and we don't highlight that. Imagine how much healthier we'd be if we just shut down social media. Agreed. But yeah, that was his point. I thought maybe that's what you saw. Yeah, yeah, he just brought that clip. That clip just was yesterday I saw her post that. Speaking of which, by the way, I have more family members who have never watched or listened

to a single Mind Pump episode. Text me because they saw me on commercials for our sponsors, Organifi. People are like, wow, you're doing really well. You're working for Organifi. I heard they're a great company. Yeah, kinda. Not really, but yeah.

What do you think of their Shilaji? It's really good, really good stuff. I'm sure you're gonna take it. Yeah, whatever. They've done some good commercials lately. I saw it. They clip us and show that stuff. Like, you gotta take it out, whatever. I love good, yeah. They've done some good commercials lately. I've seen, I saw. They clip us. Yeah, yeah.

And show that stuff. I would say, I would say they, them and Caldera are probably two of the best companies when it comes to clipping our stuff. Yeah. Like, they clip, they make really good commercials. I said, did you see the Drews commercial the other day for the Happy Drops?

So good. He's so funny. He does a great job. But we're getting feedback from both of those products, the Shilla Jeet and Happy Drops. Oh yeah. And people are saying they love. It's the Shilajit and Happy Drops. Oh yeah. And people are saying they love. It's the gummy game.

I know. It's the gummy game. I've had people actually tell me that somehow you convince them to try the Shilajit. You specifically, Sal. Oh really? Yeah, that never happens. That's surprising to me.

But yeah, it's mainly because they've tried the other Shilajit supplements. Tastes terrible. It's just awful. Yeah, it's like this helps so much. I Shilajit supplements. Tastes terrible. It's just awful. Yeah. It's like, this helps so much. I mean, even the gummies aren't amazing. They don't taste amazing. But considering what you're eating, it tastes amazing.

I like the taste. I like them too. I mean, I do too. But I mean, people have the guys talk about how great they taste. They do not taste the best. It's not a gummy bear. Yeah, exactly. This is it.

That's why I'm bringing it up. Because some people, I love when we say stuff like that. I remember when we were in New Congress. Lower your expectations. People would be so mad. You know what I'm saying? It's not fucking like a lower your expectations. People will be so bad. You know what I'm saying? It's not fucking Captain Crunch or Fruit Loops.

What would you say, Doug? Has it got like a sweet, almost black licorice-y flavor to it? Yeah, there's a bit of a cinnamon taste to it. Yeah, that's it. That's got to be it. There you go. Yeah, cinnamon meets black licorice. I would say that.

Kind of like that, but not like pure black licorice. No, no, no. I like black licorice, so that's my favorite. I know. You're a big fan, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't there a danger to eating too much black licorice? Or am I tripping? No, it's good for you. No. I don't know whyice, so that's my favorite. I know, you're a big fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't there a danger to eating too much black licorice or am I tripping?

No, it's good for you. No. I don't know why we're headed that way. I know licorice is good for, isn't it, for stress? Licorice root? Maybe, but I think that the black licorice is if you can eat too much black licorice and get sick. Well, you can eat too much of it.

It reminds me of Jaeger, so yeah, those are bad nights. Oh, God, yeah. No, for me it's tequila. I still can't smell tequila without remembering one particular time. Yeager is no benefit. It could cause swelling and high blood pressure and deplete potassium electrolytes that may cause a cardiac arrhythmia or arrest.

Jesus. From black licorice. Yeah. See how many boxes of licorice you need to eat. How much you should write that down. 14 pounds of licorice. How much eating the large amounts black licorice. How much, even in large amounts, black licorice can lower the body's potassium levels significantly.

Wow. Large amounts. What's a large amount though? You know what I mean? Dude, we just totally fucked that commercial up. Now everyone's gonna associate. It doesn't have any black licorice. No association.

It has zero in it. Zero black licorice. Way to go. I can't wait to get the email from Organifi. Hey, thanks for the fucking terrible commercial. Our product doesn't have any black licentia. Not everybody's afraid of it. It's Shilla Jeet.

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I love. I love the idea of it. I love the idea. By the way. I never went on, I never did this even though I see the value in it for sure. I know. Did you ever do the two and a half plate thing and just.

I did it for a while and it was. You did? Yeah, it does help in terms of like a little bit of progressive overload, but I just wasn't consistent enough with it You know, so I I've done this. I actually had a client I did this with he bought So fractional plates are like quarter pound half a pound or even two and a half plates I would consider that I mean not really because you had two and a half on each side It's five pounds. Five pounds is a significant amount.

I would count two and a half plates as fractional plates. Cause now you've got five though, five pounds on each side. I know, but whoever goes up five pounds in anything. I used to do that all the time. I used to do five. I would go five or two reps. You used to call guys like you pushing ass. Yeah, really? Not to their face though. No, no. So I had a client that did this. Who goes up five pounds, dog?

Huh? You like wrist curls? No, no, no. You're gonna say like five pounds. Because I was trying to do this. He's like, throw on those two and a half so I can get under that squat bar real quick. Yes.

You got five. You're so close. We usually have reels, you can only go up quarters. Bro, quarters and plates, that's all you're gonna use. Getting these tens. If you had five pounds. Add the plastics, let's go. You had five pounds a week, that's a lot.

And it's 20 pounds in a month. It's fair, it's fair. So it's not bad. But with fractional plates, so getting back to what actually happens, I had a client who had these quarter pound plates that were magnets. And so what he did was,

and we experimented with this for a while, where I said, let's do the same exercises, keep everything the same, moderate intensity, and let's just add a half a pound every time you do this exercise, every time, and keep the everything the same, moderate intensity, and let's just add a half a pound every time you do this exercise, every time, and keep the reps the same. And the dude progressed for a while before he hit a plateau. Really?

Yes, for a long time. So he still kept doing 10 reps, 10 reps, 10 reps, but it would be a half a pound heavier each time. And I think we went up, I mean, I think we got up to 15 pounds on the bar. If you can do it, yeah, where it's not real distinguishable. That's it. That's the key.

That's the key. Because if you feel the weight a bit, like that's where I got into a sticking point. But yeah, I had a similar experience going through that. By the way, you can do this without adding fractional weight. You could do this by, if you look at your tempo or a slight pause. The key is, by the way, the Soviets were really good at this.

If you see the Soviet studies on strength training, they did this often with athletes where they would keep the intensity at a certain level, but they would just, they would slowly increase or keep everything the same for a long period of time, have the body completely adjust, and then do a big jump at the end of like a 30-day period. So, and the strength gains were remarkable.

I mean, one of the best ways to gain strength consistently is to do exactly what Justin said, where you add just enough to where it's almost imperceptible. What we tend to do is we tend to add enough weight to where it feels much heavier. And then the intensity becomes too high and then you plateau much faster. So with incremental weights, now I've never done it myself,

but I would love to try it's one of those I wish yeah, I was like super into it but yeah, cuz I Experienced with that and then I experimented with rubber bands and kind of going in that direction is And that helped too with especially when I had sticking points that I was trying to address But yeah, cuz it's it's it is a really smooth way to do it if you can be disciplined enough Yeah, I think about that half a pound or a pound a week and you do this over the course of you know 10 weeks 20 weeks. Uh you had some serious weight.

Yeah. Next question is from S Hashim. Why did you create a program specifically targeted towards women when you have neglected to create such programs in the past? I'm waiting for these questions. So am I. women when you have neglected to create such programs in the past? Oh, I'm waiting for these questions. So have I. Oh! Have I picked it?

You know, okay, so, okay, first things first. 99.9% of the workouts that are out there that are geared towards women are absolute garbage because they don't take the fundamentals of exercise programming and maintain them. They just change the color of the advertising and then they do stupid stuff in the exercise like this is gonna sculpt this area instead of this or you're not gonna get bulky or whatever or your workout is circuit based because you want to get leaner. Most women want to get leaner. We created a program for women and the programming is just as sound as it is

in all the other programs. The difference is this, the difference is, generally speaking, women tend to want to develop these areas a little more versus these areas. Women tend to have these concerns when it comes to diet versus men. So we just tailored it to how we saw our clients and what their desires and needs were. But the programming is the same.

There is no difference in programming for men and women. The truth is, a man could run the programming aspect of this and get great results. You can even do the Kegels. Yeah. You can. Kegels work for guys too. We have a pelvic floor.

I mean to me the part that really makes it more for women is the little, those types of touches to it, right? There's, we did, we had a pelvic floor addition to that. More glute work, more work less, you know trap work Yeah shoulders before arms or or sorry shoulders before back typically don't do that or sorry before chest Typically don't do that in programming. Yeah, really it was around what women tend to say I want to look more like this versus this in the lifestyle considerations Yeah, like some supplements, you know that may may benefit, you know, some, uh, female needs in particular over men.

And so it's things like that, that we were just, we just tried to, you know, really zero in like, this is our avatars, our person. We're, we're really trying to enhance. Supplements, hormone tests. I mean, there was, there's some things in that. Those are the things that really, I think made it more a, a female targeted program. But truthfully, if a guy could follow the weight training portion and see incredible results. Incredible results. And again, and now part of the motivation by the way with of this was that there are a lot of women that won't step into strength training unless it says it's for women. And then the other side of it is we're really trying to encourage this movement where more and

more women are realizing the benefits of strength training. We've been in the industry long enough to see how radically different it's already changed. Women didn't even, they didn't want to go near a free weight area 20 years ago, 25 years ago when we were working in gyms. Now you're seeing them move in there more and more and so we want to continue to push that trend with good exercise programming. Because again, when you find women workouts online, and we know we've seen them all, or a lot of them,

the programming sucks. They're all circuits. They're all plyometrics done the wrong way. It's all about, let's say, cardio with weights type of stuff. That's what I'm saying. That's right. That's right.

Well, and you have to ask yourself too, okay, if our desired outcome, right, if our goal of this business has always been to reach and help as many people possible and present the right message and information to them, are we better off sticking to our guns and never writing anything specific to a sex because we've been teaching people forever

that exercises don't have a sex attached to them and continuing to reach our audience and give them these programs that we've continued to write forever. And we help, let's just say, let's use these for just argument's sake, reach those 5,000 people all the time. And we keep helping those 5,000 people

that have been listening to our show for the last, say, six, seven years or whatever like that? Or do we open up the possibility to reach five times that and now bring those people into the ecosystem and then educate them on the podcast of, listen, there is nothing really specific in exercises that is for women versus for men. And that's something you have to wrestle with. And so the audience knows, not stuff that Doug likes that I share, but I think it's important for this conversation. That launch to that program, the next best program we've ever launched did half of what that program did in people. So that's how many people we reached with a, by the way, people. So that's how many people we reached with a by the way a program that's supposedly cut out 50% right the other sex. So we reached more than two

times the best launched program ever we had ever done previous to this by doing that and so you know I don't know and I and of those so the audience knows too 25% of those people, it was their first program they bought from us. Yeah, 25% of those people that bought that had never owned any of our programs. So you're talking about hundreds of new people that we've now brought into the ecosystem

by doing something like that. And so, I don't know, I've wrestled with that, I've wrestled with that with the marketing team for a really long time on like. You know why we waited so long? We had to write a lot of other programs first and then we had to figure out, okay fine, let's do this with integrity.

And here's what it is. Women tend to work on these areas more, let's switch the volume up. And here are concerns that women have when it comes to supplements, when it comes to strengthening different parts of the body, pelvic floor exercises. Yes, men can do them as well, but these are definitely much more of a consideration for women, especially after having children. And so that's

what we did. Yep. Next question is from Coney Chua. What are your tips on dealing with social anxiety, not just in the gym, but in everyday life as well. Yeah. I love the drink. Next question. We're done. Use alcohol. That's my answer. I want, was it Jordan Peterson who I heard say, I wish I could give the credit to where I heard it first.

I think you're going to say the same thing I was going to say. And that is if you switch to a gratitude practice in that moment. So as you start to feel anxious and those feelings start to come about, whatever it is, you're fixated on your work or your finances or your relationship, whatever is causing the anxiety, in that moment when you feel that coming on, literally stop yourself if it helps, get a pen and paper out and write down five things you're grateful about in your life. And why that's so powerful is they both cannot simultaneously live in the brain. It will completely take you out of that place of feeling

anxious and having anxiety. You know what's a characteristic of social anxiety, when people have social anxiety, is that the people experiencing social anxiety. So social anxiety is obviously anxiety of being with people and groups, talking to the people. One of the key characteristics is you're thinking of yourself. You are thinking of yourself while you're with other people. How do I look? What am I saying?

Oh my God, I said something dumb. How's my facial expressions? Am I reacting the right way? So one of the ways to work around this is to stop thinking about yourself or to put it differently, focus on the other person. Ask questions. Yes, what are they saying? Pay attention, be present. What is that person? I'm interested in what they have to say and when you find those creeping thoughts of, uh-oh, how do I look, what am I saying, God I said that, start thinking of other people.

Because a lot of this is just, you're thinking, if I were talking right now on the podcast and thinking of myself while I was talking, it would feel very awkward. And eventually I start to get very anxious as the words came out of my mouth. So that's a big one. And then lastly, all anxiety can get better

through practice or exposure. So the more you do something that you're anxious about, the less anxious you become over time because of practice. Immerse yourself in it. Immerse yourself in it. That was always my MO. It's like wherever I feel the most uncomfortable,

obviously there's room to grow there. So, you know, and this was one of them, right? To get myself into a public setting and introduce myself, have like these interactions and these nice little short conversations with people, which I used to loathe short conversations. Like, get out of here, you know, I'm worth it. I have real friends. I'm okay, but I had to get over that and extend myself out there.

Next question is from Hopeislife50, what are some red flags we should watch out for when hiring a personal trainer? They don't listen to Mindpump. Yeah, that's actually not a bad one. I mean, we've reached now a level. We're large enough to wear. Yeah, in the fitness space, I don't listen to mind pump. Yeah, I mean we've reached now a level large enough. Yeah in the fitness space in the I don't know a gym yet

That doesn't have a trainer that listens to the podcast and so if you're hiring a trainer there I there's one mainly because one can't yeah giving our stamp of approval otherwise Yeah, well, I don't get one of the biggest red flags for sure. I know that sounds really cocky arrogant to say that Well, if they listen, but I mean, it's like an easy filter I mean I would do that if I was like if I would tell my, that's what I tell my family to do. If my family is like across the country and they're looking for a trainer in the gym, I go, go to the gym and find the person who listens to the show. Well, because you know, they at least agree with us if they listen.

That's right. Yeah, exactly. Or they're, they're growth minded. They're trying to learn. They're trying to improve. So there's a lot of qualities that come from the, from the people that probably listen to the show, so. A really big red flag is if a trainer

doesn't do an assessment. Oh, a huge red flag. That is the biggest red flag. If you walk in and it's your workout with your trainer and it's the first one, and then they just take you in the gym and train you, that's like going to a mechanic and them not knowing what's wrong with your car, and they just start to take it apart.

Like, what are you doing? That's a going to a mechanic and them not knowing what's wrong with your car. And they just start to take it apart. Like, what are you doing? That's a big one. The second one is if they beat the shit out of you. If you go to work out with a trainer. Which by the way, that same person. Typically same person. Same person right there. And if you're not progressing,

if their only answer is always like, we gotta burn more calories and we gotta reduce the amount of calories you're eating. That's their go-to. And to that point, one of the ways you know you have a good trainer on your hands is no matter what you ask them, they start the answer with depends. That's a good sign right away.

They understand. With a really good coach or trainer, no matter what question you ask them, if they start it with depends, versus a definitive answer right away, because everything does depend. When you were talking about, if they go, if they start it with depends and versus a definitive answer right away, because everything does depend. When you were talking about what should I do for X,

you know, fill in the blank, it always depends. It always depends on multiple variables and a good coach and trainer helps you grasp that because most people are searching for the quick answer and what that, and if your trainer just gives you that quick answer, they're not that good of a trainer. A good trainer will always start to sit this with the pits. And another one, I think this was an obvious one,

but if you're doing an exercise or a set and they're not watching you, and they're waiting for you to finish so they can show you the next exercise, and that sounds obvious, but there's a lot of trainers that do this, I've seen this, where they're training a client and they're just, it's like, okay, do 10, and then they're not paying attention,

like that's another huge red flag, but you should feel, they should do a client and they're just it's like okay do 10 and then they're not paying attention like that's another huge red flag but you should feel they should do a proper assessment they should modify exercises based off of your movement patterns your goals your fitness level and you should feel really good at the end you should not at the session you should not feel at the end of the session like oh my god i just got the crap beat out of me if you feel that when you're sore for days afterwards it was that, that's a red flag, 100%. Look, if you like our show, head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a free how to squat like a pro guide. This guide teaches you how to squat more effectively.

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