Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2354: How to Overcome an Unhealthy Relationship With Diet & Body Image, Signs Your Body Fat is Too Low, Ways to Eat High Protein as a Vegetarian & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Fasting is a TERRIBLE way to lose body fat! (1:56) Is perineum sunning a thing? (10:48) Are cults on the rise or decline? (12:00) Using red-light as a pre-workout. (15:15) The incredible tales of Dick Proenneke. (20:23) The profound manifesto of Ted Kazynski. (24:47) The inefficiency of traditional schooling. (28:10) Mind Pump Recommends ‘Take Care of Maya’ on Netflix. (32:16) The unlikely benefits of taking probiotics. (39:42) Fun Facts with Justin: Chinese police are re-parking cars. (45:33) Strange news with Sal: Prison energy drinks. (47:40) Shout out to the Mind Pump Newsletter. (49:33) #ListenerLive question #1 – What is the healthiest way for a vegetarian to hit their protein marks? (50:43) #ListenerLive question #2 – I would like to lose some fat and boost my metabolism but I’m not sure how to proceed in a way that doesn’t do more damage to my body. Any advice? (1:04:46) #ListenerLive question #3 – What is the best way to ramp up your workouts after having an egg retrieval procedure? (1:17:25) #ListenerLive question #4 – As someone who is muscular and has great numbers at her annual physical, should I worry about being underweight? (1:25:22) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details.    Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP to get $50 off your first purchase. ** Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** June Promotion: MAPS 15 Minutes | Bikini Bundle | Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off! ** Code JUNE50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1602: Why Intermittent Fasting Is Bad Mind Pump #2190: Fasting Masterclass Light-induced nitric oxide release in the skin beyond UVA and blue light: Red & near-infrared wavelengths One Man's Alaska (2024) - Dick Proenneke In His Own Voice Living Alone In a Wilderness Log Cabin Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikipedia Watch Take Care of Maya | Netflix Official Site Using Discrete Choice Methodology to Explore the Impact of Patient Room Window Design on Hospital Choice Impact of probiotics on muscle mass, muscle strength and lean mass: a systematic review and meta‐analysis of randomized controlled trials Systematic review: probiotics in the management of lower gastrointestinal symptoms – an updated evidence‐based international consensus Chinese police are now Re-Parking illegally parked cars instead of towing them.   How to make 'prison hooch' (AKA pruno) | How to Home Brew Beer Mind Pump Newsletter Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Paleovalley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Discount is now automatically applied at checkout 15% off your first order! ** MAPS Starter How Much Training is Necessary to Maintain Strength and Muscle? 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron) Instagram Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin) Instagram

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Alright, here comes the show. Alright, check this out. Fasting is a terrible way to lose body fat. That's right, it's a terrible diet. Now fasting has been around for a long time. In fact, it's probably one of the oldest quote-unquote diets that has ever existed, but it was never meant for weight loss. It was always a spiritual practice. It's always been used as a way to detach, detach from worldly things. Now of course, the fitness industry likes to take things and pervert them and turn them into ways to make money. That's what they did with fasting and the truth is it's a terrible way to lose body fat.

You know, it's interesting that you went this way because I kind of feel like this is what we're kind of seeing with the Ozempic movement right now. Yeah. And the same concerns that we've had about fasting that we've been presenting on this show for almost 10 years now are the same concerns that I have with the people that are using Ozempic because it's basically is that the biggest thing that it's doing is that is it's like don't eat

He's like, yeah, it's it makes it so easy to not eat. You just completely crushes your appetite You have no desire and so you're eating 500 calories or in some cases nothing at all and you're fine. And then the potential rebound effects of that, like I was sharing with you guys, is like the, it's there. Like your appetite comes roaring back and if you haven't put in good practices around food choices or behaviors, then I'm so worried of the exact same condition of what's happening. I'm just gonna exaggerate it.

Yeah, I mean, with fasting, and by the way, back in the day, you know, we used to work in gyms before fasting became trendy, we used to call it starving yourself. That was what we'd say, oh, you starve yourself, don't do that. And we knew back then, what we see now with fasting, which is when you do it for the purpose

of weight loss, if your goal is to fast for fat loss, it very strongly encourages this restrict and then binge eating behavior. Like, okay, I have an eating window from here to here and I can't eat if I'm outside of that window. And so it gives people these kinds of clear guidelines, right? Clear boundaries. And so that's why people like it. Cool.

I'm not going to eat until four o'clock or whatever. But then over time, what they end up experiencing is this binge behavior within their eating window, either because they can't get all the macros within the, a lot of times that they cram it all in, or just because they've white-knuckled the fast. And again, because the motives are not the kind of motives where you see the benefits of fasting. Fasting for spiritual purposes, I mean, it's

existed in religions for thousands of years. It was just a way to detach from worldly things. And food is about, I mean, hunger is one of the most primal drives that we have. So fasting from food is a really good way to, from a spiritual sense, detach from the world, focus your energies towards, in the spiritual sense, towards God or a higher power.

And in that case, it's actually very effective. It's been used for thousands of years, but when it's for fat loss, we've seen this time and time again, people start, they restrict binge, restrict binge, restrict binge, eventually go off the fasting and then everything comes right back. And the studies, by the way, the data on fasting now show this very clearly. The success rate with fasting is the exact same success rate that you see with other diets. Or should I, to put it differently, it's the same fail rate. It's like 90 plus percent.

But people like it because it's a simple rule. Don't eat for this long. They're like, cool, it's like 90 plus percent, but people like it because it's a simple rule. Don't eat for this long. They're like, cool, that's easy. People love simplicity and adhere to it probably most of the times the best. But to your point, even if it's not a spiritual pause, it at least allows for you to have that sort of introspection and to be able to kind of evaluate your dealings with food and kind of when you have these impulses and if you're stressed out and if you're prone to then having cravings towards things and to kind of step back and kind of get that 10,000 foot view

of how you operate and how these patterns kind of progress. But I mean, that's literally like a break. That's a break in the routine. And so to use it to kind of pull back and detach has a lot of value, but to use that as a method for you to then lose body fat, such a failed approach. I really only had one demographic of clients, I felt it as a very valuable for them. Like that I was a, hey, we should try this,

and it actually was my neurotic competitor type clients. Who were like, you probably used to be hard gainers, can't go two hours without food. Yes, and they were actually the ones that were most regimen and good about their diet, I found the most value with taking that away from them. Because they had established this relationship with macros that like they were obsessed with,

they had to hit their macros. And some of that stemmed from, oh, I was fat a long time ago and I never wanna go back there again, or I know it's so important that I hit these macro targets and so I can't miss. And there are actually people that are in like really good shape. And so you would think that, oh, this is not a candidate for this, but actually those were the people I used it and the thought that had the most

value. And that's not a surprise because in that case they are using it as a form of detachment. Detaching from this neurotic, I have to eat every two hours or I have to eat these meals, otherwise muscle's gonna fall off my body or God knows what. In the example you gave, Justin, when you're doing it for fat loss, that is not detachment,

that is more attachment. You are attaching, you are using fasting as a way to attach yourself more to worldly things like fat loss. So again, it's an effective tool for detachment, but if you're using it to attach, to become closer to your body, closer to fat loss, closer to all these things, then you're just going to get worse in terms of your behaviors around

food. And we've seen this time and time and time again. And again, the fitness industry, remember it's an industry, right? So all industries and markets for good or bad, they generate revenue. And what they'll do is they'll take something and once it becomes trendy, which it did, it became

trendy about, I don't know, 15 years ago. It's like, oh, people lose weight when they don't eat. I mean, you know, obviously. Let's make this a diet. And then of course, how do we make this profitable? Well, we could write books, we can sell supplements around it. I bet you, if you go, if you Google right now, supplements for fasting,

you will see an entire category. Now have supplements and products geared around fasting. Uh, so, um, but yeah, it's a, it's a terrible way. And now people have success with it in the short term, like they do with any diet that cuts your calories. And the diets that tend to get the most popularity in the short term tend to always be the ones with the simple rule, because people like simple rules. Like, just don't eat carbs, perfect.

Or just don't eat at this time or these times, perfect. Or don't eat foods that start with the letter G or whatever other weird thing there is. And so then people are like, oh, I love this diet. It's super easy to follow. I just don't eat white foods. Or I just don't eat foods like this. That was a diet, by the way.

Don't eat anything that's, no white flour, no white tubers, no nothing. So what, so I'm curious what prompted this or you just kind of decided we hadn't talked about it in a minute because I actually was just talking to Christina, Christina Katrina about this. I'm starting to talk to Christina.

Katrina is the best friend I was just talking to. I know my wife's name. I promised her. The other one. I was just, and she, I was telling her that, you know, I think that for the first time in probably the last 10 years or so, I haven't been hearing about fasting like crazy, but I attribute that to,

it's because Ozempic is taking the replacement of that. And it's so closely related to this, kind of the same thing. I mean, it's literally people just doing these extreme, low calorie diets because the Ozempic is killing that. But I actually felt like the fasting noise is really calmed down, but I think it's only because of that because now people are just finding another form of it. And we're which, by the way, how often we talk about this, like what you see in the fitness space is, you're gonna not hear about fasting at all again. It's gonna go away like it was just say 10, 15 years ago.

What do you think will come back? Well, I think it's gonna be- Eat every two hours again? I just think that Ozempic is gonna take the place of that, right, all the GLP-1s. It's gonna be more that I take that, oh, I'm not fasting, I'm just taking GLP-1, but it's like you're pretty much doing the same thing

that this is just gonna be the rebrand of it, and then we're not gonna hear people talking about fasting anymore in our space. Yeah, is butt hole sunning gonna come back to you? Oh my God, why was that a thing? That hasn't left. Why was that a thing? That hasn't left.

I would like to know, you know, when people do stuff like that, by the way, I think it was a joke. I think it was a joke. Yes, I'm convinced it's a troll. It starts as a joke, yeah. I'm convinced. It might have been, right?

It's a troll. Doug, Google that, do it this way, benefits of sunning your perineum, or your butt hole even, and don't click on images. I wanna see what kind of articles are gonna pop up. It had to be like a Reddit thread. Because that's happened so many times where they've created something

and then it manifested in real life. What's the saying? Well, here it says, there is no evidence that sending your perineum has any real benefit and instead poses a significant risk of sunburn. Yeah. Okay, so I'll tell you what I think happened. And I'll put money on this.

I think someone made it up as a joke. And then influencers who would love any reason to show a picture of themselves spraying their butt cheeks in the sun. Because that's literally some of the most narcissistic people in the world. Oh, the level of narcissism. Oh, it's insane.

So, oh, here I am, guys, look at me half naked, and it's just wonderful. Oh, let's all get together, you guys, wanna get together? And then we can put our butt holes to the sun. You know, what's weird about that too is there was a cult, there was an alien cult out of France, right? I was like, oh wow, what's weird about that too is like there was a cult. There was like an alien cult out of, um, out of France, right?

And like, I was like, Oh wow. They actually have like cults over in Europe too. This is great. Um, and I was an American thing. Yeah. I just thought it was like, we're, we're, we're the only weirdos have all these cold, the original cult started in Europe. What are you talking about?

Yeah, I know. Yeah. I haven't heard about like an alien cult in Europe. I thought that was pretty interesting. Uh, but anyway, so their so their whole thing was like, they tried to remove shame. And so like, the leader like convinced everybody, yeah, you get naked, but you have to show everybody

like your butthole, like it's like the most vulnerable thing, right? And so it was like very much like pushed on these people. How people can't see that there's like, the leader is a pervert who also simultaneously is an extreme narcissist who believes in his own bullshit and has somehow merged his perversion with his narcissism. And he's like, no, no, no, this is spiritual, you guys.

Show me your butt holes. But I mean, aliens help. Would you say cults are on the rise, the decline, or are we level? I think they're on the rise. Oh. You mean the internet media? Yeah, right now. level? I think they're on the rise. Oh. I think they're on the- You mean the internet media?

Yeah, right now. Yes. I think so many people are lost that the predators are out. I think it's at all time highs and growing. And I think it has to do with the internet and social media. Because I think it's less about the cult philosophy and how brilliant the leader is and more about that leader finds the right person. It's just a person who is like seeking that, right?

Cause when you watch those cult shows and you, and you're like, how'd they find those guys? And even smart. I'm watching the care. I'm like, this guy's is not even that smart. And like what he's spewing is, but yet thousands of people are following this dude. I just think that it's like you now, you don't have to go very far to connect to a thousand people that if you fit the, the things you spew was just what somebody was seeking

or searching for and it's like, oh, it's music. And then you can gather them all together. You know what I was thinking about, in fact, around cults and stuff like that, in fact, I was actually thinking about this the other day, is I feel like it's evidence of the existence of God. I really do. I think cults are great evidence for the existence of God

precisely because it proves that humans are made. We are wired to worship them there. We have to worship. In fact, they found a gene. You guys know this? They found a gene. I mean, that supports your point of which we've heard, I think Bishop Barron, I think probably said it to us first, and I know you've repeated it many times, which is that whether you like it or not, you worship something.

Yeah, we're value-based. Like you're going to, like your actions will show. And people, by the way, every time we say that- People get so mad. People get so offended by it. Listen, here's what my reply to people is. What defines worship, what you say or what you do? Yeah, your actions. Your actions.

And every action you take is based off of a value. So I turn left because it's better than right. I pick the shirt because it's better than the shirt. I like this photo of that. At the top of that is your top value. That's what you worship, bottom line. And if you don't purposely choose to worship something good, then it's typically something that's not great. And it's typically where they say money, power,

pleasure, or honor, or otherwise fame. Anyway, we're talking about sunning. I got to tell you guys, Juv pre-workout, amazing. Amazing. I don't think I've actually ever done that. I think it's because pre-workout, I think it's because it stimulates- It makes sense though because I always feel good after I get done doing that. I think it boosts ATP, and we know this, we know that the red light from the Juve panels

stimulates ATP production in all the mitochondria. This is why it's good for whatever you shine it on. Yeah. So it would make sense that more ATP, and then you go, because ATP is a main source of muscle energy, especially in strength training. So you know, JuveLite, and then go lift, and then you get crazy pumps. It boosts nitric oxide. Look it up, Juve boosts nitric oxide. Obviously we have an audience that have a lot of JuveLites. I'd love to hear the feedback

from, because as long as I've had it and used it, I don't think I've ever Intentionally did it before it was typically I use I shower and then I do it after that's just kind of a way I just sit in front of it dry off kind of hang out like I don't think I've ever Thought like oh, let me do this and then go lift and see how I feel now I really want to try that I love the audience to give their feedback the ones that have the juve light to hear What I mean you could try it if people specifically on a body part you're going to train or the large panels, of course, shine on your whole body. I had a funny conversation with Ethan about that. Cause he was asking me all about like ways of he's learning about testosterone.

Obviously like he's going through that process right now and he wants more. Well, he's just like, dad, like what, you know, what's the significance? And then of course, yeah, it's like, how do I increase? And I tell them about lifting weights, eating, you know, good and recovering and having good sleep and all that stuff. But I was like, and I think he was asking me about supplements. I was like, well, you know, there's this one way you can do it too, that, you know, have a red light panel over there.

Like you just, you know, walk in front of that, butt naked, put your balls in front of it. And he's like, things happen. He's like, yeah, right. You know, and I'm like, no, seriously, like there's a lot of study and like scientific relevance to this. And it's like, it's legit. And he's like, no, like does not believe me. Yeah. But if you go up to the red light and you see like a weird like imprint on it, what the hell? I'm like, you could bring it in your room. I don't, don't have it in my room. Wipe it down each time.

It's cause the red light gets on the lighting cells and then it stimulates the lighting cells to produce more testosterone. So whatever the red light, whatever cells the red light hits, by the way, for people who are like, this sounds crazy. That's what I thought too, when they first told us. And then I looked up the studies. They go back as far as the 1970s. There's a lot of studies.

They go back as far as the 1970s. It's established science Google it yourself red light therapy or how does red light affect Cells of the body and really literally what it does it tells the cells to produce more ATP. It literally turbocharges the mitochondria So shine on your head you grow more hair You know how legit it is because almost every professional sport team now is invested in it Yeah, they all have recovery rooms now that use things like cryo, infrared, like they're always the biggest thing I would tell the audience to be careful of. And I just actually had a family member that I had had got like, like a new mask one that because they have these mask ones that you can wear too. And because the science is so good, because it's been around and established forever

and it's continued to grow in popularity and more people are aware of it now, that also opens up the opportunity for the scammers and the bullshit stuff. Yeah, because there's certain wavelengths and types of red lights. And this is the type of thing where you don't try and save a dollar because you're like,

oh, I found it over here for, yeah, 10th, well, or just not gonna work. You just get a bullshit painted red light. It's like a stoplight. Yeah, yeah. And so people need to understand that it's not like it's a bulb that's just painted red that you're getting this. Like, it's very.

It's a specific wavelength that's produced. And they're not cheap. And they're not cheap. They're actually really expensive. And that's kind of how you know. And you know, Juve isn't the only brand that is legit, but it's one of the few that is legit. They use the exact red light that's used in studies.

They don't veer off of that. And there's a lot of like hokey bullshit that's out there. Totally, my brother bought a hat, dude. He bought a freaking baseball cap with it inside. I'm like, come on, dude, that's not real. And by the way, even ones that aren't fully, so I actually, so we went down the rabbit hole

when I was talking about this, because I was telling them like, because they thought, oh God, are you gonna tell me this is a bunch of bullshit? I said, no, actually, red light therapy has incredible benefits, and I said, I think it's smart that you're putting on your fit, but let's look up the actual,

and we actually looked up the bulb that this company owns. Yeah. And it was, I want to say it was one fourth the effectiveness of what the Juve light is. So it's like, I mean, think about that. You would have to spend four times the amount of time in front of it to get the same benefits that the Juve light is. And it had everything to do with the power of the, like we looked into all the, and so, I mean, that's the thing too. So you might find one that is quote unquote legit, and it's not a bullshit ball, but it's a much lower quality. And so now you have something that is producing one fourth the results as the one that you would pay,

say double the price for, but now you're spending four times the time in front of it just to try and- And you're wearing a mask. Yeah. Dude, I gotta tell you about this. I think this guy's going viral, but I've never heard of him before, and I would love for you guys gotta check this guy out.

His name, and I hope I say his name right, his name is Dick Pronikey. Pronikey, maybe Doug you can look him up. Is this his real name? Yeah, bro, have you guys ever heard? So you've never heard of this guy? I haven't, no. Neither have I.

Neither have I. I was on Facebook, and the Reels were up, and I saw this old video, and it's this narrated video of this guy Who built his own cabin? He lives on his own. He's fishing. He's showing how he's making How he's preparing for the winter and I'm like what and then I because I spent time on it Of course, I get more in the algorithm. So there's another video that pops up and then another this is Sam right here He lived in the wilderness.

Maybe Doug, you could look up his, uh, like the Wikipedia. He was an American self-educated naturalist and a conservationist. He lived in Alaska by himself. Can you click on that to see what it says? Conservation? What is that? Like they believe in conserving nature. Oh, okay.

Living off the land. So, okay. How long do you live alone for? 30 years. 30 years in the mountains of Alaska in a log cabin that he made himself. By himself? By himself. He hunted, fished, raised and gathered his own food

and had supplies flown in occasionally. And he also built things off of garbage that he would find. And he, now here's the crazy thing about it. He documented all of it. No way. He filmed all of it with his own camera. Is there a documentary on him? There's tons of videos on him.

I didn't know that. Yes, he lived, so he was, and now some of these videos, he's in his 70s, he's a 71 year old man. Wait, I know where, where's Twin Lakes? I know where that's at, where is that? That's- Alaska. That is Alaska. Yeah, yeah. So he, did it say, when did he die?

He was 86. Is he like, talked to animals? He died. Like how does he? Bro. You know So he, uh, what did it say? When did he die? He was 86. 1998. Bro. You know what? Okay. So, no, I'm sorry. He died in 2003. I mean, this is just another, uh, oh, it's been a while. So how did this just pop up for you? Just see it was on. It was, so it was, it was a real, and I saw this video and it was his, it was his voice or someone else's voice, narrating this. And I'm like, it was just, it just got my attention. I mean, it's like another four. And by the way, I would do this before I would do being a monk, right?

It's like being a monk in a sense, you know what I'm saying? Like you're, but at least you're like out in hunting and doing something. I feel like just, you guys got to watch these videos. They're incredible. So I'm watching this and he's chopping wood. He's, he's, he's making these like ladders so we can walk out onto ice and drill holes and get fish. And he's talking about how he's preparing for the winter and the kind of animals that he has to

kill and all that stuff. And the plants, how he makes teas and all those different things. In the video, he was 77, he was like 71 years old. And this dude was like, bro, the way he was working, oh, he'd run circles around us. Did you find out how he died? I mean, if he was that physically active at 70, this is him? No, that's not him, dude. That's him right there. Having it all rotund.

So there's videos of him where he, like birds will fly up into his hand and eat out of his hand. And he made, yeah, there he is. He's 77 years old right there. No way, he's 70. Yes, dude. He's not 70.

Right, he's old as hell in a lot of these videos, for sure. Now remember, I think he first moved to Alaska in his 50s. I watched this video where he built his cabin, and then he had to cut a hole out of the side to make a fireplace for himself, and it showed him collecting these rocks from this river bed. He did that all himself, by himself the whole time.

So I wanna know why he was by himself. Did he get in an argument with his wife? Like what happened? What happened? Yeah, what drew him up there? You know what I mean? He's like I'm sick of this. I'm outta here.

I'm gonna go live by myself. He's peace, quiet. Look at that drill he made by hand. Did you see that? He's drilling, yes, by hand, dude. Wow. Dude, I'm telling you, we're ingenuitive, man. It's interesting too, because like,

it's also one of the most torturous things for a human, right, we are social creatures, so to intentionally, That's the part that made me wonder, like what? Yeah, to intentionally isolate yourself like that is so interesting. Yeah, it's wild. There's outliers. You gotta be a very, yeah, there's gotta be something

different about you mentally to be able to even do that. He kept very detailed journals that he would write every single day. And he would document with film. And was there like a purpose that he was, I don't know. A message he had or something that he was trying to. I don't know, I'm gonna keep going down the rabbit hole.

But you should see the way he makes hinges for his doors, the way he like he makes his cabin weatherproof. What was the last time? Look at that hinge right there. Made out of wood. Sick. What was the last time you guys read the What's His Face His Manifesto?

Have you ever? Tek Kaczynski? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I haven't read it in a long time. Really? Yeah, it's actually pretty profound, bro. What he wrote, and of course, because he

was such an awful person, we don't talk about him. And obviously, no one's going to highlight anything positive about him. What do you predict, like what happened with tech? It's like literally where we're at. Like literally, like everything with the tech and the way we are with our social environment, like it's pretty, maybe Doug can find like a highlight

or like a Cliff Notes of it or something like that and you'll see some bullet point. I bet somebody has done that. I gotta check that out. I bet somebody's pulled the, yeah, you should definitely read it. I wonder. I've read it before and I was like, I can't believe we don't talk about this. Like, but it's because of who he is. So if you don't want to say that he had any truth, that's right. Like exactly. Nobody, cause that'll be, in fact,

someone will probably get off from even saying this right now, but it's like, uh, read his fucking manifesto. Like the shit that he was talking about was extremely profound when he was saying this stuff. So he just went crazy. So he talks about the erosion of human freedom and dignity by modern technologies yeah yeah well yeah that's the short version. When did he write it? 1995? 1995 yeah. Bro in 95 you're not even in the dot-com bubble yet and he's saying this stuff and if you read it it's at that time when he is saying the things he said, and then you see how things unfold. He must have been highly intelligent.

He was. Crazy person. He was. He was brilliant. He also got, you know, went through the MK Ultra experiments and they really messed with him. He did? Oh yeah.

What do you mean? Bro, you guys, you know. They tied him to the MK Ultra experiments. Do you think that's what made him go crazy? Of course. I didn't know that. Dude, yeah, read his manifesto. And there's a pretty good documentary on him too.

I've seen a few of them. But yeah, you know, and the thing that interests me the most is that how we don't talk about it because of who he is, right? Who he is and what he did. So we've decided that he's this awful person, nothing he did or said has any value. We're not gonna talk about it at all,

in any positive light. And then you read the manifesto, it's like, bro, this dude was brilliant. And what he was saying at that time, at that time, to be saying the things he was saying was definitely. You know the connection between super high intelligence and insanity.

Yeah. You know, there's a bit of a. Well, he played all this out, like, way too far, you know, and then he couldn't, like, he was on a loop of like, here's what's happening in the future, and then he just obsessed over it, and then he's like, then he takes action, then he takes action, he's hurting people.

Did he think he's saving the world? Yeah, yeah, he was self-righteous about it in his own mind. You know what it reminds me of? Like in Terminator, when they go to kill the guy that created the computer, and then remember when he shoots him and the guy doesn't die? Yeah, it's very parallel to that.

He's with his family, and he's like, fuck, what am I doing? I'm gonna kill this guy. Remember Sarah Connor goes back? The black guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember what you're talking about, right? I forgot about that part.

That's a great mind experiment, psychological experiment, when people say, if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it? Yeah, and people, no way, you wouldn't. People are like, yes, I would, but he's baby Hitler, he hasn't done anything yet. Of course you wouldn't. That are like, yes I would. It's like, but he's a baby. He hasn't done anything yet. Yeah, of course you wouldn't. That's crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Just love him, give him more kisses. Maybe he'll change. Yeah. But keep an eye on him. Yeah, have him do other things. It's actually been a while since I watched it. I actually want to watch it again now

that we're talking about it. Stay on this art path. It was a good like five years ago, I think, when I had read that man. I felt maybe longer actually than that. And I thought it was crazy. And there's a lot that's happened since then, so it'd be interesting to see how much more

of what he was talking about unfolded for us. You know, along these lines of, because I was talking about that guy, Pronike, by the way, when I was watching these videos of the guy, I just kept thinking what it would feel like to shake a man's hand who lived alone for 50 years in Alaska. He'd break every one of your digits.

Probably would feel like grabbing it like, yeah, like a brick or something. Anyway, along those lines, Jessica and I were talking the other day and she said something that to her, it was like, but to me it was very profound. So we're gonna homeschool the young ones, right? And so now she's starting to do it because my three year old is three and a half.

So now is when you start. So she's doing this every day and it's amazing, the stuff that the kid is learning and what she's doing. And we have talked to a lot of people at homeschool. We've done a lot of research. The average child who's homeschooled, who does really well, spends on average about one to two hours a day doing school. About two hours a day on average is what people find.

And a lot of them say things like, what are they doing in public schools where they're in school for six hours or longer? Like what's going on? And Jessica made, she really said something. Yeah, she really said something profound to me. She said, you know, homeschoolers on average take two hours or an hour a day to do school and they learn when they're done well.

They learn just as much or more, they do better. Public schools or traditional schooling, not only is it inefficient, but it's robbing time between the children and their families, the connection time. You're literally robbing and taking away time that you can have with your kids because they're in this traditional school

that takes six hours, what you could do and less. You know, it's hard to not, and I guess it wasn't until I had a son, did I think I get so passionate and angry about the way we school, like the way we school our children. It's like, and then I see the examples of like this, like Kuman, for example, I was like, so one of the, one of the, the kind of popular things here in the Bay area, there's, there's quite a, and I think there's other competitors to Kumon, which is a Japanese curriculum that I think is phenomenal.

A lot of parents will put their kids in public school and then they pay for Kumon to supplement because it's so effective. But the thing that I find that's so crazy is how effective it is. And in fact, the way that the teacher teaches you to teach your kid, because you have a lot of at home stuff,

as she says, encourage him to do a lesson a day, but if he's not interested after five or two minutes, stop it, don't even do it anymore. And then when he is, let him, yeah, it's a waste of time. So they basically have this like, if he's not engaged, he's not doing it, you don't even push the issue, you let him stop. But then when he's in it and doing it, if he was going to two lessons, three

lessons, encourage it and do it. That's how kids learn. And it's wild. So how kids learn. How, how effective one that is, how minimal time we have spent in this curriculum and how much progression I've seen in his learning. And it's like, this is just one subject subject and two days a week that I spend an hour at most spinning with him doing this, and it's just,

God, how inefficient is the system right now? It is crazy inefficient the way we educate kids today. It's wild. A lot of it is designed, people hate, we'll get mad when I say this, but a lot of it is to mirror the work schedule of the parents. So you know why kids go to school so damn early? Cause that's when mom and dad got to drop them off so they can go to work.

Cause the data on that shows that kids do way better when they start school much later, but nobody wants to pick up their kids that much later. Or especially they don't want the kids to be in school less time because it's less funding, et cetera, et cetera. So the whole thing is just, it needs to get totally revamped completely. But at the very least, it's like, man, how much time your child is away from family,

from you, from connecting with, you know, and they're just doing this thing that a lot of kids just don't. You know, it's funny, when I was a kid, you guys too, it was considered, it was normal for kids that hate school. Oh, you hate school? Yeah, you're supposed to. Nobody likes school. Oh, for kids that hate school. Oh, you hate school? Yeah. You're supposed to be like school. I don't want to go to school.

You're not supposed to now think about that. Wait, what are we doing? Well, we're making our kids do this thing that they absolutely despise. Aren't you supposed to enjoy learning? Well, what are we doing? I mean, you guys are kind of reminding me of, I just watched this documentary last night with Courtney and she kind of pulled me in because she's into these like, um, you know, like special cases, like documentaries.

And this one was about like medical malpractice, but specifically about child protective services and how, um, this one hospital head and the head doctor had, had used this as, as a way to like run this kind of scheme and hustle in terms of like classifying it as child abuse when in fact it wasn't child abuse. What were they doing? So the main case was this, with this girl who had like a condition that was unknown and she had had pain, just crazy pain, and they're trying to throw all these pain meds at her and it wasn't really sticking until her mom

was actually a nurse. sticking until her mom was actually a nurse. And so her mom was a nurse and then her dad was a fire chief. And so these were like really upstanding people. And she has a brother and everything, but like, I guess she through this process, like researched and found that treatment for this special condition that they thought it could be, uh, was ketamine therapy. And so back then, like ketamine therapy, very like fringe, you know, very much not like accepted by a lot, but like she actually had a doctor approve it and then had her, uh, uh, apply this to, to this girl and, uh and had like amazing results. Like throughout the next year, like completely

fully recovered, was able to walk again. Cause like the pain was so crippling, she couldn't even walk. It must've been neurological. It was very neurological. Yeah. And so anyways, like the whole thing is like, it's the most tragic story I've heard.

So that's because it was unapproved or whatever, but even though it worked, they threw, they put child protective services on? So she came back, like I guess, um, she was in need because it wears off over like a year or whatever, like the treatment. And so she came back to kind of try to, uh, get, get it prescribed again and went through the system and, uh, the, the head doctor of this, uh, John Hopkins, um, hospital basically

like classified it as, as abuse because this was like a scheduled drug and all this kind of stuff and they were like, no, no, no, no, here's the doctors. And they tried to bring in the doctors that had recommended it, but, um, they all like counseled and she overruled these other doctors and basically like kept the child in the hospital, uh, and just said, no, we're going to treat her with all these other pain meds. And anyways, the whole time she, she basically, uh, prevented her parents from ever even visiting, like completely removed them

from custody. Like in the whole time, her daughter's like deteriorating in the hospital by herself. They can't see her for months and months. And then it, you know, they're filing all these like lawsuits are trying to like do everything they can and they can't get anywhere because of this child abuse stance that they put on her. And so anyways, this opens up like an investigative journalist gets involved. This is a bit really good documentary that goes like into full detail with all this stuff.

But like apparently there's a lot of cases that like people don't know about that like through the system that they're able to classify as child abuse through certain treatments or certain ways that they see a bruising or something, they can't explain it, so immediately classify as child abuse, which then keeps them in the hospital. They get paid. It's a whole racket. Wow.

The incentives are to keep going in this direction. Dude, and the only way she was able to, and she knew this, and I know she knew this, to get the attention of the authorities and to get them to reevaluate, she literally, like, killed herself. Who did? The mom.

Oh! And it was just like, oh my God, I fucking lost it. You know, I was like, dude, this is, ugh. That would make, see, something like that would push a father to go into the hospital guns blazing Right, give my kid right you're giving me back my kid and or else Yeah, so I was unaware of like, you know that being an option like this being an abused Part of the system. So that was weird. Sometimes so weird things are so weird. Sometimes had they said that she

Needed to go on medication to block her hormones because she wanted to change her gender. They would have been fine Yeah, but yet this doctor's recommended something for her pain And they they did they call Child Protective Services. I know Yeah, so oh god, that's Yeah, that was like I was oh man like and I haven't watched something where I was like so emotionally just like, oh, like, it really got me, dude. Oh, that's true. When the motivation is to do things

in order for them to make more money, they tend to always like, what was it, who was it that we were talking to that brought up the, they'd done like a study on if the hospital building, if it was facing east or west, it would get. Oh, from the sun? Yeah, from the sun.

Yeah, they stayed in the hospital for people with depression that had them hospitalized, and if their window was facing the sun as it rose, this was a study that they stayed in the hospital a couple days less. Right. But it's free, doesn't cost anything, they lose money. And because of that, I've heard that they've

like structured buildings to not do it. Really? Yes. So because of that, because they know that it's going to keep. I saw a post, I don't know how true this is, by the way. I saw a post from a doctor who she, this doctor

posted some documents and said, had I gotten all 6,000 of my patients to get the COVID vaccine, we would have received $1.5 million from doing so because of the incentives. Crazy. Wild. It's wild.

Yeah. It's just so much we need to clean up. I mean, this was just another example. I was just like, wow, man, we just needed a complete clean sweep. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like people, I think it's almost like they're gonna keep,

if they keep going this direction, people are gonna start taking the law in their own hands. You know? Because I could, because there's a lot of people that I know personally that if they did that and they kept your kid and said you can't come in, sorry, you can't see your kid, I mean, I know some people that would've been like,

the hell I won't. Yeah, well the most, okay, so like, Now you're gonna make me crap. I skipped the worst part. Way to go, the hell I won't. Yeah, well, the most try. OK, so like, I'm going to make me crap. I skipped the worst part. Way to go, Justin. More terrible shit. Well, like, so they went for the court case, and they were trying to get their case heard.

And this is while she was still in the hospital. And the judge, like, all they pleaded was so that the mom could at least see her daughter for for a minute and like give her a hug and In the judge denied it Wow and right after that a couple days later. She killed herself Wow Yeah, that is awful Wow now. Let's talk about something positive Transition out of that dude that dude. I swear you guys feel my pain. I feel pain. It's like when I send you guys those terrible, horrible, dark memes. Oh yeah. I'm gonna get you back Sal. You did bro. You got me. All right. I'll speaking of crap. Nice. There's a seed commercial.

Yeah, I got it. Actually, I actually have a family member that started using it because they were experienced bloating and totally did the trick. Totally did the trick through the bloating. And I will say this, by the way, there's more data now coming out showing that probiotics may actually be, I swear to God, if you look this up,

may actually be one of the best supplements for muscle building. Literally, probiotics. Well, I mean, you've made the case forever that, well, you've made the case forever that not only from your own experience, but also with clients is that, listen, if you're, if you're, your gut, if your body's attacking itself, you've got something going on in your, in, inside your gut,

the likelihood that your body's going to respond and build muscle or burn body fat that you want to, you're not absorbing nutrients properly. It's going to, your body is very smart. It's going to prioritize the most urgent thing. And if you, if you've got something going on there that is, you know, I had somebody explain it to me like this. So first off, seed is the only probiotic I've ever used consistently for years. Cause I, with, with probot, what used to happen with me is I'd use one and then I start to get a reaction where it didn't work well and have to switch to another

one. Sometimes it would take me two or three. I'd find another one. Sometimes I have to go off. Seeds the only one that I've been able to take consistently and I consistently get good results from it. But I had a friend of mine explain it like this. When you eat something, it doesn't go in your body until it's absorbed. So in other words, think of like a doughnut. Like the inside of a doughnut is still a hole. You're not in the doughnut until you're inside the doughnut. So the inside of your digestive is still a hole. You're not in the donut until you're inside the donut. So the inside of your digestive tract, your gut, that's not in your body.

It still has to get absorbed. So when you have gut inflammation, he said, think of it this way, imagine if your skin was so inflamed that you would get, that if bacteria touched it or dirt touched it or someone touched it, you would get an infection. That's what's happening in your gut when it's inflamed. We just don't see it. because if we saw our skin,

we'd freak out, oh my god. It's volatile, yeah. Yes, so your absorption, your ability to absorb nutrients is strongly affected, your ability to produce serotonin, certain catecholamines, your inflammatory process is like, it's all, your hormones, you feel different energy strength wise too. Like, God, there difference energy strength wise too. And I would also assume that because you've got this issue going on in there that the body is prioritizing its resources to healing and

trying to fix it even if it's not and it's not. You have a wound basically in your body. Right it's like it's not gonna go oh hey let's go build some muscle for a while you know just because this person. Listen I'll tell you what so my gut right now so it got way better. There's things that I've done over the, over the years that have really gotten better slowly over time. I did the parasite treatment that had a huge impact. The low dose trisepatide, I think has had a very positive impact. And now I'm at the point now, and then BPC I've used that for a little while.

That had a positive impact. This is, I'm not exaggerating. My guts never, never in my life been this good, ever. It's almost, I'm not gonna say it, I don't wanna challenge, I don't want any evil spirits to come attack me. It feels like it's indestructible. Like literally I can eat anything and I'm perfectly fine.

My workouts are on another level. Like it's so different because my gut is so good. Like everything I eat I absorb and I use. I imagine too that you feel that way too because you've gotten so used to what it feels like to not feel good. Of course. And you've gotten too big.

Yeah, it's not like I'm superhuman. It's like this is the way I'm supposed to be. I was so under that for so long. So yeah, no. And again, and I'm seeing more of scientists who, people like Andy Galpin and whatever, you're seeing more posts about probiotics for muscle recovery, athletic performance, and strength.

Do you think, okay, because you- So get ready, because it's about to get- You can technically do too much of it though, too, right? Like you can over, can you overpopulate? Is there any side, like my point of bringing that up is is there potential of this becoming very multivitamin-esque where it's just that we come recommend everybody just take it every day, you should,

everyone should just take it. There are certain probiotics that have beneficial effects across the board for everybody. Healthy gut, bad gut, doesn't matter. The issue with probiotics is like people with SIBO have to be careful with probiotics because they have bacterial overgrowth and so that can cause. That's not a matter, so there are some cases where

so it's not gonna ever be this broad stroke of everybody should take it like a multivitamin. No, I mean you're taking live bacteria if you've got a good probiotic, it's live bacteria and if it's really good probiotic like seed, seed has it so that the delivery process ensures that it gets to the colon. So it's not just, you know, uh, digested in the stomach and gut, which you still get some benefits, but it's not the same.

So this ensures it gets to the colon and then that's where it exerts its beneficial effects. But you keep taking it, not because it pox, so here's the deal. There's a lot of confusion. People think you take a probiotic, you grow the bacteria and it just sticks around. You keep taking it because they eventually die off and so you re-seed, I think that's the name,

why they call it that, re-seed the colon with this. But yeah, can you take too much? Yeah, definitely. Well I know, so I was just on antibiotics and I know like I was trying. After that. Yeah, definitely like repopulating and making sure like my guts.

So the, so the reason why it's so important post antibiotics is antibiotics like a nuke, so it kills everything, which opens the door for bad bacteria to dominate. And so these beneficial bacteria are the checks and balances against bad bacteria. So this is why you'll see, uh, sometimes people will get, um, and this is really bad in nursing homes, you'll see, people go on antibiotics and then afterwards they'll get a C, I think it's called C. diff, and I'm shortening it, but that's an infection

that can be really, really nasty. Or people can get like a fungal infection on antibiotics because- Now the fungus takes over. Because bacteria kind of keeps the fungus in check. So sometimes people will notice more things like athletes foot and stuff like that. Yeah. But yeah, probiotics, keep all of that, um, in check. So you got to keep doing it anyway.

I want you to tell me about these Chinese police or I've seen this note up here for a while. He's what is that or your, uh, uh, prison, uh, energy drink, but yeah, Oh yeah. I saw that one a long time. The Chinese reparking, the police, they have this pretty interesting technology. So it's basically trying to think of like, not like a drone.

Well, I guess like a drone, but it drives underneath the car, okay? And it locks around the wheels. So like kind of like hooks underneath the car, okay? And it locks around the wheels, so it kind of hooks around the wheels, lifts it up a bit, and then they have this all with remote control. And so what they're doing is if the car's parked illegally in front of whatever, say, building,

and it's like an emergency spot, instead of just giving them a ticket or waiting for a tow truck, the the, the cops will actually like repark it across the street into a parking space. Oh, that's cool. Which is like, yeah, it's almost like we tow cars. So what's the difference? It's way nicer than the way we're handling things here. Wow. That's actually kind of cool. Instead of just booting it, you know, they're actually like moving it out of the way. kind of cool. Instead of just booting it, you know, they're actually like moving it.

Oh yeah. Look at that. The, uh, wow. Pretty, isn't that cool? That's really cool. Uh, yeah, I don't have a problem with that. No, no, I know. I mean, what's interesting is the tech to be able to lift the car so effortlessly with such a small piece of machinery.

Yeah. I mean, that thing just like scooped it up. It'd just be cool to have that. I mean, look how small it is. It's tiny and it's so thin. Like where are the hydro, like how does it have, how does it create that much power? You know what, what a great, Adam, you just made me think,

what a great thing to have in the private market for, if you have a lot of cars, you wanna park them tight to each other or whatever. You know? Just stack them all like next to each other. You can just park them super easy, because everything turned to 360. Exactly, the way they made that,

like, is it really that easy? That was wild. I know, it looks like it, I don't know, I guess it works. I would get one of those to park my cars and get them close to each other, squeeze in more space, you know? Yeah, that's really cool.

All right, I'll tell you about the prison energy drink. It's not that big of a deal, so I haven't brought it up. There's these viral TikTok videos of people showing how people make energy drinks in prison. So. Hey, at least they're going a healthier route. It's not, what's it called in prison? The alcohol, what's it called?

There's a name for it, what's it called? Oh, they ferment like juice or shit in the toilet? Yeah, what do they call it? They call it something. There's a name that they call alcohol. I don't know. That's made in the, that's made in the. But so with this energy drink, all it is is.

Pruno. Pruno, there you go. Oh, Pruno? Yeah. That even sounds terrible. I know, no thanks. So they take, I think they take soda and then they take Jolly Ranchers.

They crush them up, they break them up, mix them in there so they make it real, real sweet. And then they use Folger's Instant Coffee. That's where they get the energy from. up, mix them in there so they make it real, real sweet. And then they use Folger's instant coffee. That's where they get the energy from. And they mix it in there, and so people on TikTok are making their own versions of this. And everyone's like, it's kind of good. Oh my God.

I can't believe I haven't seen that yet. Yeah, dude. Folger's gonna make a comeback. There's a part of me that kind of wants to try it just to see if we should totally try it. It's gotta have though, I watched them make it. I'm like, that's like 50 grams of sugar. That's why it tastes okay.

Cause it's like a bunch of John Ranchers. Yeah, send me the link. I think it would be a fun experiment just to see what it tastes like. That makes me really curious. I'm like, watch, you end up loving it, dude. Probably. I mean, somebody will brand something off of it

and do something with it. I bet you money someone. Yeah, send it over. Actually, there is a commercial there, right? Like energy drinks so powerful, they only serve it in prison. Oh, shit. I want to try that.

So effective. It's illegal. If I was 17, I'd be sure to buy that. Remember I told you the story of Jordan 1s, right? That's how they became so famous, right? That was one of the most brilliant ads ever, was they used the fact that the NBA said, he can't wear them in the NBA because they

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Hi. Thank you so much for taking my question because I'm sure you get it a lot. It's about vegetarian protein, but just thank you so much. So I wrote it all out to try and be as succinct as possible. So I'll just, I'll start with question, and then I'll give you background as to why I'm asking the question. So my question is, what is the healthiest way for a vegetarian to hit their protein

marks, especially when too much dairy doesn't set too well with them. So my friend and I started doing the maps and a Bollock program and I've heard you guys say over and over and over if nothing else hit your protein mark. So I was like, I'm gonna hit my protein mark. And I set it to be 150 grams. I just picked that number because I remember you guys saying it doesn't have to be gram per pound, but gram gram like set a target body weight and then go from there. I don't really care what the scale says but I picked a target just to have one. I'm currently in

75 pounds, 28% body fat, 123 pounds of lean muscle. When I sent the email my goal was to be 22% but since then, my husband and I have decided to start trying to have kids. And so I no longer want to be 22%. I'm aiming for more like 25%. Basically, I want to be the healthiest that I can be before having a kid. And I really want to build the muscle now to make it easier for afterwards to get back to where I want to be. So to hit 150 grams, I was eating a lot of dairy and I love dairy,

but I was eating so much of it that it was stopping me up a little bit and I switched to pea protein, but that was also not pleasant because that was making me really smelly. And so I'm just trying to find like a good something. I don't know if I'm missing something. I ate a lot of tofu. I wrote out what I was eating if you wanted to hear that. But basically a lot of tofu, a lot of dairy and either vegetarian meat, which is really processed.

I don't love eating a ton of it, but it was getting me to my protein, um, or protein bars, which I also, it was to get to protein. So that's my question. Okay. Great question. So I've worked with a lot of, uh, vegetarian. Now, can you do eggs and fish or neither? Those are off also.

I do eggs. I don't do fish, but I eat eggs, cheese, milk, all that kind of thing. So there's a few options you could do. So what's happening is you're having issues digesting the protein obviously that you're consuming. Now with dairy, you could try lactose-free whey protein if that helps. If it doesn't, then it's probably just dairy in general. So that's me. So regardless of the lactose, I just can't do dairy. Eggs or egg protein or egg whites. They come, oftentimes you can buy liquid egg whites. Some people don't have issues with that. Other people also have digestive issues with a lot of eggs.

Here is the easiest digest in terms digestion, protein that I've ever used for people who tend to have issues with dairy and other common food intolerance type of proteins, collagen. Collagen protein for a lot of us is very easy to digest. It also tastes really good. So I read in here, in your email, that you just can't bring yourself to eat animals, but if you were to have a protein meat from collagen,

would that be okay? Or is that also off the table? Is that like a powder? It is. Okay, I don't have a problem with meat, like people eating meat. I just grew up vegetarian, so I just, I can't eat like a thing.

eating me. I just grew up vegetarian so I just, I can't eat like a thing. But if it was in a protein, in a powder form, I don't think it would mess me up. I don't know. Okay, so Paleo Valley makes a bone broth protein chocolate flavored and I've never had a protein powder that is as easy to digest as that one. It's a very low on the list of intolerances. In fact, collagen type protein or bone broth is often recommended to people who have digestive issues. That's how easy it is to digest for most people. So I would do that. I would also try adding digestive enzymes to your high protein meals.

Just because you might've made a big leap. What was your protein intake before you tried to hit 150? Do you have any idea of like how big of a jump it was? I don't, but the amount of stuff that I had to add makes me think it wasn't super high. I've always eaten a lot of tofu, but you can only, I mean, a whole pack of tofu is 40 grams of protein. So I'd have to eat a lot of those to get

250. Do you have a certain meal that's more challenging than others? Do you notice if you have certain meals that are more difficult like breakfast, lunch or dinner? Which one's hardest for you to get protein? Dinner. Oh dinner. Just because I packed it all in and the, I love eating but dinner is just hard to get the next step of protein. So another option too, is to do like, uh, beans, uh, quinoa and eggs, like making that in bulk and like adding it to a meal, cause those things tend to compliment a lot of different foods. And so those all have, they're all protein rich.

And this is kind of similar to the, maybe the advice you've heard me to tell people that are trying, that can't get it in the morning time is like adding your dinner to your breakfast, like scrambling it with eggs. I find like eggs, beans and quinoa are, you know, higher in protein and they tend to mix well with whatever it is you're eating. And so adding that to the dish will help bolster the protein intake too, not a bad strategy. Now, Rachel, I'll add this. If you try the bone broth protein and you try all these different options, eggs, egg whites, whatever, and you find that high protein just doesn't work with your digestion, then it's not ideal for you.

And I've had clients like that. I've had clients where, you know, aiming for a gram of protein per pound of body weight or target body weight Just didn't work for them and we would bring it down to more like point six grams per pound and then they did fine And that's okay. You know the data shows It's about point six to point eight grams per pound of body weight Where you're gonna get that upper limit of benefit anyway The reason why we go one-to-one is because people tend to miss and so then they'll be in there But even if you did point six point seven, it's not like you're going to miss out.

You're probably going to be totally fine. So in other words, try the advice I said and if you still have digestive issues, don't force yourself and say, okay, well, it's worth it because it's not. Digestive issues cause a lot of inflammation and it'll actually take away from your progress. You're not going to get in that benefit. In other words, I also think that it might be a value for her to have branched chain amino acids on hand too, just because if she's, if the protein's low, yeah, if she's consistently under eating it, she's already supplementing with protein powders. Um, you know, here's an example of a,

the small minority of people I would would recommend branched chain amino acids having that on hand. Now, the other thing is, you mentioned trying to get pregnant. I wouldn't aim for a body fat percentage. I would just do what you're doing. You're gonna probably get down there anyway. And then supplement wise, because of your diet, I would look at choline, I would look at folic acid,

I would look at creatine. Those are, vegetarians tend to benefit the most from supplementing with those as well. Oh, and omega-3 fatty acids. Those tend to make a big difference, cognitively, just health-wise, longevity, with vegetarians, because they're harder to get from non-animal sources.

I mean, you can get omega-3s from flax, but your body has to convert it, so it's not as good. Choline, you get it from eggs, which is good. So if you're eating a lot of eggs, you're probably okay. Folic acid. Okay, good. Well, folic acid's another one that your doctor will probably make you take anyway

while you're pregnant. And then creatine. Creatine, you get that from animal sources. Otherwise your body has to take amino acids and make its own creatine and everybody benefits from creatine regardless. So those are the things I'd look at. And then, um, another question is, were you, were you at one point like an athlete, did you play sports in college?

No. Oh, you got a lot of lean body mass, uh, for your body fat percentage and stuff. Are you, you're pretty strong? Um, I would say for a female, I feel pretty strong. Awesome. Um, doing the, the max program when we did the, I can't remember which phase, phase two or something where you're doing like dead lifts, but you're only

doing one to four reps. Yeah. That's phase one. Yeah. I could do four deadlifts at 195. Yeah, you're doing really well. That's great. Good job. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I think the bone broth protein will probably be okay. I think you'll be all right with that. But if not, like I said, you're okay bringing your protein down to like 120, 110. Uh, you're probably going to be just fine doing that. Oh, okay.

I can, I can do that. Getting to the 50 was getting very difficult for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't ever sacrifice. This is just a good message for people is like, don't sacrifice your health for, um, you know, kind of a generic, general, um, piece of advice.

Cause there's a lot of pieces of advice that tend to be true, but aren't true for everybody. And if you're noticing issues and you're trying all these different options and you're like, it just doesn't work with me, then it doesn't work with you. Then don't push yourself to do so. Okay. Okay. I like that.

Yeah. I just, I couldn't, I found that I couldn't really deviate from my meal plan Otherwise, I wasn't hitting 150 Unless I substituted with the bars and the everything else that you can substitute with so I can do So awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. Can I ask one more question? Even if it's not on the email? Yes Okay, when I'm doing tricep dips and I go down and then I come up, it hurts. There's like a muscle in my sternum in the middle and it's like a sharp, like ouch, and I don't know what that is.

Are you doing, are you doing parallel bar dips or on the bench? I'm doing it on like the, the assistant machine where you can put your knees on the thing and go down. Cause I can't, I can't fit, um, all my strength is in my legs. My upper body is not as strong. Yeah. Well, so I would shorten the range of motion. So don't sit more upright.

Yeah. Sit more upright and don't go so deep. So go to the point where right before you start to, it starts to bother you and then, and then work there. And then what should happen over time is as your strength gets better, you can get a larger ranges of motion, but stop just short of where that happens. It's also where the, the origin of the chest muscles too. So it's not like, and it's stretching.

So you're going to feel, I mean, it's not uncommon to feel that there. Yeah, there could be a shortening the range up and being more upright. We'll, we'll solve that. Is it one of those handles that kind of V's in, So it's like more narrow and then it starts out wide. Or is it straight or is it straight? Oh, okay. It doesn't think I just go to anytime and they don't necessarily have all the

stuff, but the one that I use is just straight. But, okay. Yeah. I was just thinking if you could go more narrow might help. Yeah. Just shorten the range of motion and stop just before that starts to happen and over time. You should be able to go deeper Okay, awesome. Thank you so much. You got it. Good luck on the baby Thank you

Bye-bye I'm glad I'm glad we had someone like this because we talked so much about hitting those protein targets that people like her will push past issues like digestive issues. Oh, I got to eat my protein. I got to eat my protein. But if you're getting inflamed and you can't digest what you're eating, it doesn't matter. You're getting a net negative, is the point. Yeah. I mean, this is so tough for me too, though, when I have that client set, like, I don't know, that when for health reasons, I mean, you're trying to hit this, but you're also trying to navigate around this, you know, very privileged way we can eat today because

we can decide that we don't want this, we don't want that. And it's like, at some point, if that starts to impede on health like I'm exploring every option I possibly can to try and solve that and so we just we live in such a Crazy time that we can have all these odd diets that we all follow and it's like man If there's a certain place where you're missing nutrients and especially if she has anything with like hopefully she has no problems getting pregnant whatsoever But if she did it'd be like man, I would want you to try everything you can to figure that out. The fact that she can eat eggs, she's okay,

because she's gonna get those nutrients. But I had a client like that who was not, she didn't eat eggs, fish, dairy, it was pure vegan. That's so hard. And listen, we did everything. We worked with a functional medicine practitioner, she supplemented, continued to have issues. Finally, the conversation was, look, I know you love animals, but if you aren't

healthy, you can't help anybody. That's what I mean. And so she threw in some eggs and it was a miracle. It completely changed everything for her and she felt so much better. I like, you know, eggs, beans and quinoa kind of mix with a lot of dishes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you can, so that's a way to like, yeah, that's a way to kind of scramble

it into whatever you're already making and that'll help boost the protein numbers so that that helps too. And like, that's what I would recommend to some of my clients that were vegetarian is like, Hey, just make this in bulk. And then when you have your dish, whichever one goes more with it, beans, the quinoa or the eggs added in there, and then that'll, you know, boost it up another 10, 12 grams of protein. Our next caller is Lana from Ohio.

Lana, how's it going? Hey, Lana. Hi, guys. It's so crazy. You guys are great. I listen to y'all every day while I work it out the farm. Awesome. So sorry, I just walked up the hill.

My name is Lana. I'm from Ohio. I 19. And do my question. All right. I'm just gonna read my email here. You got it. I'm just gonna read my email here. You got it. So I grew up in an abusive household. I have eight other siblings and I was very shabby. That's that shape growing up and I started dining around six. When I was 13 I started doing intermittent fasting. I stopped that and then just started cutting out food groups more and more each year. At 15, I started just doing YouTube workouts and at 16, I was only eating about six foods

just a repeat, about 800 calories a day and ended up getting a lot of different health issues. Mom finally ended up taking me ER. I think it was kidney failure. I was diagnosed with anorexia and orthorexia at 5'11". I was weighing about 103 pounds. After a few weeks, I was discharged. And to get out of the light so that nothing was like found out my parents just force-bent me just whatever is high calorie I'm very high calorie diet about

4,500 calories a day no exercise I end up going all the way it's borderline bulimic for a while and then I recently in the last year have moved. I'm waiting to testify against dad and mom, my elder brother in court. I now weigh about 218 and I think I have a pretty healthy relationship with food. I'm not cutting things out necessarily. I think I'm averaging about 2,600 calories, trying to get about 150 grams of protein. I want to lose some fat, but keep a fast metabolism. I'm a little concerned about swinging too hard the other way. Cause it would be pretty easy for me just, you know, cut down again and I don't want to do more damage.

So I recently started Maps Ambolic and I'm finishing phase one this week. So I just, if you give me advice, that'd be amazing. You got it, Lana. Thank you so much for calling in and being so vulnerable with us. So I'm going to start, let's start kind of, um, where we want to go now and then what it's going to look like down the road. Okay.

In my experience, the best success I had with people who started out with a really, really complicated relationship with their bodies and with food was to take the focus off food completely and place the focus somewhere else. We have to take that energy and we have to direct it somewhere. Otherwise it has nowhere to go and it can manifest in a lot of different ways. In my experience, the best direction was performance in particular with strength. If I had a client like you and I could get them really focused on getting stronger,

then we would, the odds that we would be doing a lot of things right would increase dramatically. It doesn't make things perfect, but it helps quite a bit. You're following the right program. Maps Anabolic is great for that. After Maps Anabolic, I would do something like Maps Powerlift. After Maps Powerlift, I would do something like Maps Strong. And after that, something like Maps Performance. Each time, your goal is to try to get stronger and improve your performance. Can I do another rep? Can I get stronger? Can I lift more weight? Do I feel stronger? Do

I feel mobile? Do I feel mobile? Do I feel like an athlete? I want you to move in that direction because all that energy you have, if you move it in that direction, now it can also lead you down the wrong path, but it's a lot more difficult. It's hard to do a lot of things wrong, and it's hard to be real unhealthy with yourself and get stronger. If you're not getting stronger, that's a sign that we're not doing things right. If you're getting stronger, there's a sign that we're doing a lot of things. Right.

So that's where I want you to start. Now where this is going to eventually go. And I, you're probably already working with somebody. Are you working with a counselor or therapist for yourself? Not currently. I've actually moved to different States in the last year, um, and haven't set anything up in Ohio. I would highly recommend you work with somebody.

I'd like you in the forum to get started. Yeah. We'll put you in the forum. A great idea, Adam. So that at least you have support from us and support from our community. And then I'd want you to work with somebody specifically to keep you, to keep things on track.

Cause what happens with stuff like this is you're on track and then very easily could start to move off track. And then when you start to become more conscious of what's happening, like, Oh my gosh, I'm so far away from where I wanted to go, or a lost grip of, of, of moving in the healthy direction. And now I'm in this really bad place. So working with someone on a regular basis is a really good check-in. It's a really good check-in. It keeps things in the forefront and it helps you moving forward.

And then a good way to start before you do that is when you find yourself and you're gonna have to kind of become conscious of this, when you start to find that you're speaking about yourself or to yourself in a negative way, which you might not even realize, but try and really see if you can find this and pay attention to it. When you do, instead of saying you or I, I want you to use your name. And what this does is it helps separate the negative comment and it helps you externalize a little bit. So like instead of saying

like oh my god I'm so dumb I would say oh my god Sal's so dumb and I'd be like wait a minute that sounds terrible I don't want to say that and then I could say you know what Sal's not dumb and here's some reasons why he's not dumb and I'll think of a few things that are true it has to be true otherwise I'm lying to myself like here's why Sal's not dumb he does this this and that and it's gonna feel awkward. It's gonna feel weird. But over time, what's gonna happen

is you're gonna change your relationship with yourself. But in the beginning, right now, right now you're doing the right thing. Focus on strength. Make that your goal. Don't think about anything else when it comes to workout and diet. When it comes to diet,

think of what's gonna make me stronger. When it comes to workout, what's gonna make me stronger with my workout? And if I'm getting stronger, you're moving in the right direction. That's where you're going to start. That's not where you're going to end up, but that's where we're going to start right now and then do all the other stuff. And I think you're going to, I think you'll do absolutely fine. Yeah. We're going to, I'm going to have Doug give you the access to the private forum.

So we're in there. Okay. So you have access to us to give us updates. I want you to update me once a month. And to Sal's point, all we care about right now is hitting targets with lifting. What were you lifting when we started? What are we lifting now in the main lifts? If I have any sort of rules or anything I really want you to pay attention to nutritionally

right now, it's hit that protein intake like you say you already do and avoid processed foods, that's it. You're not cutting out or avoiding anything else. Just try and eat all whole foods and hit your protein intake and get strong. And then follow. And then after anabolic, we're going to follow power lift, like that in itself and checking in with what's a month. We're going to head in, we're going to head in the right direction. So let me, let me, let me take what Adam said.

I'm going to word it a little differently. Okay. Instead of avoiding processed foods, what might help is it might help to start to enjoy the process of preparing yourself foods. I feel like doing that. Yes. So here's the difference. One of them is, I'm not going to do that, which you already have a history of that going in the wrong direction.

Like I'm not going to eat this, then it becomes I'm not going to eat that either. So instead of saying I'm not going to, say I going to I'm gonna prepare lunch for tomorrow. Ooh, what sounds fun? What's gonna be enjoyable play some music? It's gonna change your relationship with food by doing this by enjoying the process of preparing the food process food You can't prepare so it takes care of what Adam said But what I don't what I think might be a bad idea is to try to avoid things because that's so close to what would happen in the past. Rather like I'm going to go ahead. I'm definitely concerned about that and I'm like perfectionists all in nothing so I'm gonna go like go all out or not. Yeah exactly. Do you like the idea? Tell me about preparing food. What do you enjoy about it?

Um, I used to do the, um, shopping, uh, meal planning and cooking and cleaning up, uh, for my whole family when I was living with them. So it was kinda, it's almost like when people have their comfort foods, it's kind of like that almost like zone out type of just prepare it. It's kind of second nature almost. I have not been doing too much in the kitchen since recovery. I got kicked out of the kitchen in recovery. So I haven't really picked it back up.

Yeah. Yeah. I would make something out of it. Oh, well, it sounds fun. Play some music, enjoy yourself. What you're doing essentially is you're caring for somebody that needs to be cared for, which is you. So I want you to view it in that way because what you're going to do is

you're going to start to build a different relationship with yourself. So if you imagine yourself as a separate person that you want to build a great relationship with, what does that look like? It looks like caring for them. It looks like preparing food for them, it looks like talking nice to them or speaking words of encouragement or being compassionate. So and that's a process like building a relationship like if you had a neighbor that you were gonna build a relationship with, it would take a while, wouldn't happen overnight, it would be conscious. So that's that's kind of the direction I'm going when it comes to

to preparing the food. Does that make sense? It does. I like the idea. I can definitely do that. Lana, can I ask one favor of you? If you could once a month inside the forum, share, share a recipe that you make. So just once a month, something that you've prepared for the month that you really like, or maybe somebody else doesn't know, or that you love to eat, share one recipe a month for us.

Okay. That's our trade. I'm going to hook you up for free. You hook me up with a recipe once a month. Okay. That's one of the other way after I moved out where I would instill kind of do just eat the same thing on repeat, like all week, four months at a time, the same thing. So that would definitely help break out that. I like that. Yeah, I love that.

Plus, you'll be doing it for other people, right? People in the forums, so that'll be awesome. You know, Alana, I'm gonna give you a little bit of encouragement. Here's why I think you're gonna be okay. You sent us an email that is a completely different question from what you just asked us. So something inside you got the courage to be very vulnerable here on a live podcast. That's a great sign. So I think you're going to do okay.

Thank you. Thank you. We look forward to seeing you in the forum. Okay. Doug's going to hook you up with all that right now Well, thank you guys so much. You keep me I'm occupied I do like that's in nowadays out here on the farm. It's just me and my dog take care of birds and Everything else. So you definitely give me much entertainment and advice. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you You got this Man she Thank you, Lana. Yeah, you got this. Man, she totally changed up her question. Something insider said, I gotta share,

I gotta share what's going on. Yeah, no, it's huge. I mean, for her to come in and with all that and be vulnerable, you know, that's a major step. A lot of self-awareness for someone that young. 19. Yeah, a lot of self-awareness. Well, the strength to do, I mean, she moved, she left. What did she say?

She was gonna be testifying against her own family? Yeah, a lot. Yeah, there's definitely, she's definitely working through. That's, yeah, that's some, like you said, some serious self-awareness, so. Yeah, yeah. Well, just, Lana, if you listen to this later on, make sure you stick with me on the recipe.

I look forward to talking with you in the forum and then seeing what you're cooking every month. Our next caller is JM from Massachusetts. Hi, JM. Hello, hello. How are you doing? How you doing? It's so weird, I listen to you guys.

Awesome. So do I just ask the question? Yeah, totally. What you got for us? First you're supposed to sing the song and then you do the question. I'm just kidding. I do the what? I was joking, I said sing to sing a song and then you do the question. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I do the what?

I was joking. I said, sing a song first. Nevermind. Ask the question. Bad joke. A dance first? Yeah. Okay.

So this is the questions that I sent in. So I'm a 38 year old woman. I'm going through egg freezing. I don't know if you guys have any experience with that kind of procedure, but basically you're doing around two weeks of hormone injections. You're not allowed to work out during that time. So I can walk light stretches. That's it.

And I'm totally fine with that. Like taking two weeks off, that's fine. But then you go through the retrieval procedure for which you go under general anesthesia. So my question is, what is the best way to kind of ramp back up after that kind of a procedure where you've taken two weeks off, you know, put your body through some shit and then you go through like an outpatient procedure, it's relatively simple, but there's going to be, you know, elements of kind of getting back on track. So how do I make sure that I'm not pushing myself too much, but also I'm not taking it too easy

on myself? Do I start up with a goal of X percentage of my normal weight and then ramp it up and like, how much do I ramp up every time? Do I go week by week basis, day by day, et cetera? It's easier than that. Jayam, do you have any of our programs right now? No, I don't know. Okay. So map starter would be the program that I'd have you start in. Um, if you had some of our other programs, I would have you do map starter for two to four weeks based

off of how you feel and then transition into like maybe a maps and a Bollock. But since you don't even have map starter and you haven't done that, I'd probably tell you just to go through map starter all the way through and then you can move to MAPS Antibolic after that. How long is the gap between the egg retrieval process? Because the egg retrieval process, you go on hormones, general anesthesia, and then after that you have to wait, right? How long is that wait period in between?

You mean until the next cycle? Correct. Yeah. Is it, yeah, in other words, how many weeks would you have in a cycle? So is it two weeks and then what? Two weeks and then two weeks again? Or is it two, four, two? Yeah.

No, that's a really good question because actually, yes, most women go through multiple cycles and that's probably my case as well. So I think I'll take probably maybe four weeks off. And then I would need to go through this again. So I kind of want to make sure I'm maintaining at least. Or, you know, I mean, again, it's fine for me to kind of slip down in terms of strength and stuff, but at least I want to try. This is, this is okay. So Katrina and I have gone through a lot of fertility stuff that I

haven't openly shared all of it on the show, but we've definitely had to do a lot of the things you're talking about. Matt Starter is the program that I use with her and the number one priority is what we're trying to do. Freezing those eggs, her health, her fertility, that is the number one priority and to be honest, somebody who has a lifting background and somebody who's in pretty good shape and you look like somebody who's like that, like Katrina, you could technically take two months off and be totally fine. And your muscle gains and PRs do not matter to me right now. And so what I would tell her is, you know, she has MapStarter and I'd say, listen, when you feel good, then we train out of here. If you don't, then we rest, we walk, we do things that are more recuperative.

We can do mobility stuff. We can do walking and stay active. So you, you know, you feel good, but as far as pushing the body in the gym right now, what we're trying to do, it takes a higher priority. And so that would be my recommendation. Jam, just, just so you, I mean, what does your workout look like? Before you did this, how consistent were you for how long? I mean, I've been working out for a long time. I think I've

been pushing myself to work to lift heavier for like five years. Oh, so, okay, just to give you some data, okay? Yeah. The amount of strength training that is required to maintain strength gains is something in the realm of one fifth to one ninth the volume and work, okay? So in other words, it's like way less. So you're probably not gonna go backwards. What you'll notice is you might-

That's really reassuring to hear. Yeah, strength maintains really well. It's not like stamina and endurance go away quick. So if you're a runner, you took a couple of weeks off, you would notice, you're probably not going to notice any strength loss whatsoever. So yeah, so now you might get sore and recovery changes. So that's why Map Stararter is such a good program, but you're not gonna go backwards.

I think if you follow MapStarter when you're ready to work out and then stop when you need to stop and go back on it, and then after the whole process is done, you get back in your regular workout, might take you a couple weeks to get the recovery back and you'll be fine. Yeah, I'm gonna have Doug send MapStarter and follow that just like Sal's saying.

Now, because you have such a, this is like Katrina, because you have a lot of background in lifting, the one thing for her, she was like, okay, after a few weeks, she's like, I feel great. I'm ready for the next level. So MAPS Antibolic would be the next progression of that. So it's not going to hurt you to follow the whole program through the entire thing, but because you have such a strong lifting background, if you're feeling great by week three or

four, and you're feeling great by week three or four and you're wanting more than maps and a bulk is more. And so I would say go to that program next, but otherwise follow map starter, uh, as it's laid out. And then after that maps and a bulk is a great follow-up to that. Yeah.

Okay. I feel so much more reassured. Awesome. You're gonna be good. Yeah. Good luck. much more reassured. Awesome. I'm not going to come in. You're going to be good. Yeah. Good luck. Go save them eggs. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Jayam. Meet the luck. Thank you. Yeah. And this, by the way, I know how hard this is for people who work out consistently. I'm like this. I know the data and yet I still feel like, ah, but the data is like very clear on this.

To keep strength requires very little. Yeah, I had to tell Katrina this. This is psychological challenges. Yeah, and when you're talking about fertility, her being, and by the way, she would never go up four or 5% body fat in a matter of a month's time of not lifting weights, right? But her body would be better served

going up four or 5% body fat than risking trying to maintain muscle or strength and pushing. I mean. Especially because people who train so consistently tend to veer towards doing too much anyway. Yes, so and this is like what I said, like Katrina explained the same thing to her. It's like, listen, like right now,

we're talking about fertility stuff that your body being higher body fat percentage is actually only going to work in your favor. So us trying to do be strong or push the body right now has way more risk. More recuperative like focus. Like so like low to moderate intensity really just focusing on expressing movement, you know, to build that recovery. So I had a client in her late thirties that was doing this and she was a five day a week strength train, worked out fit the whole deal, struggling.

And you know how she got pregnant? She worked out once a week, like once a week for like two months and then boom, it happened. Our next caller is sheethal from Illinois. Hi Sheethal, how are you? Hi there, all three of you. This is, this is Samuel. I, if I'm dreaming, then we'll just pretend I'm dreaming. How can we help you?

Yes. Well, I guess I'll start with my question and then I'll go into some background and we'll go into some background and we'll go from there. So I weigh, I'll just read off of my paper, I weigh 91.4 pounds. In February, I did a DEXA scan and I was 11.1% body fat, which I know that the chart doesn't even start

until like 13.6. But I actually I really love how I look, I enjoy my lifestyle, I feel healthy and strong. So I'm really just wondering if I should be concerned about being underweight or being, you know, under fat, you know, kind of what the risks would be, what the time would be, what I what actions I should take and you know, if right now is not the time to worry, then when potentially would be a time to worry, I guess. And just, you know, some background on myself. I have a lifelong passion for all things health, fitness, nutrition, wellness, self-care, all of that. And in fact, I'm actually currently working on becoming a personal trainer. And, you know, I thank you all so much because I have made the mistakes

and, you know, everything from just refusing to lift heavy to intermittent fasting. Whereas after everything I've learned from you all, I'm very big on lift heavy, get enough protein, and I get to carry that into my future personal training career. So I thank you for that. I'm a very, very regimented and schedule-oriented person, so I do live a really strict lifestyle when it comes to the fitness and the nutrition.

So I know I mentioned my current weight. I'm 5'2", 37 in December. I have a child who's going to be 4. And in January, I had my annual physical. At that time, I was actually 93, so it's been, you know, two pounds lost in the past, I would say in the past two months. But, you know, everything in my annual physical is completely normal, you know, knock on wood, everything was healthy. I know I mentioned that I had the DEXA scan, it was higher than average bone density, no visceral fat.

And then just a little about my lifestyle. So I'm vegetarian, I do have dairy and eggs. I designed my own meal plan where I've been following it for a couple of years. I have the same breakfast every day, the same lunch every day, and the same dinner five days a week. Now the other two days I have the same breakfast every day, the same lunch every day, and the same dinner five days a week.

Now the other two days I have something different, but it's more or less, you know, a small portion, but I'm just not really, I'm not big foodie. So I don't feel like I'm, I miss things. I guess I like the simplicity that this structure just gives me, you know, we know exactly what groceries to get and just know exactly what I'm going to have for dinner, all that good stuff. And I mean, really, it's just outside of the meal plan. I don't really eat much different, even if it's something healthy. And I try to avoid added salt, added sugar, which I do aside from the two dinners that

I have that are different. I drink a gallon of water a day, 24 ounces of milk a day. I do drink coffee and tea, but not in excess or anything. And then lastly, I'll just go into my fitness, what I do. So I, you know, of course, as you all know, you know, as I have a small child, the only time that I can work out is 4.30 in the morning. And we have our own gym. And so I try to go to bed on time, although I'm a bookworm.

So sometimes I'm up reading, which I know I sometimes like, hey, put the book down, go to sleep. But yeah, I mean, I design my own training plans where I lift four days a week, an hour each day, I have pull push quads and glutes. So those are my four hour long training sessions. I update my plan every month. And then on top of that, I do an hour of yoga a week and I do run for 30 minutes a week, but that's really just so that I am able to like, you know, if someone's chasing me, I can, I can run away from them. That type of thing. It's not, you know, um, but I, I do focus more on the weightlifting. but I do focus more on the weightlifting. And then aside from that, I walk.

So I get 13 to 14,000 steps a day. And in my profession, I work from home. I have a typically what I would consider a desk job, a computer job, but I stand at my desk all day. I take a break every hour to do some three minutes exercise. So definitely live a very active lifestyle and eat very clean and high protein and nutritious foods. So yeah, I guess that's, those are my details.

So. What's, what's, what's your question? Is your question just in regards to your body fat percentage and. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's the fact that, you know, the, the weight, you know, I know that my BMI is really low, you know, 16 point something, um, and then you have the body fat

percentage, those are low. And it's just one of those where I just, you know, sometimes it's just with myself being such a, you know, regimented and disciplined person, it's just with myself being such a regimented and disciplined person, it's really hard for me to want to break from the routine that I have. But of course, I want to be healthy and that's where I just want to make sure there's something I should be worried about, that sort of thing. How long have you been around this body fat percentage, would you say?

So I, it's hard to say, I feel, I would think maybe a year or so, because this was my first ever DEXA scan. So I'm, yeah, that's, but I would say that I've typically just, just, I guess, genetically, I'm a smaller and greener person. Yeah. You know, what makes this challenging, Sheetal, is if you were my client, this would be a long conversation and I'd work with you through this whole process. But because we're on the podcast, I have to be a little bit more direct. And the, the regimen, the structure, the detail that you're giving me, like you

have everything measured and weighed and planned down to the probably down to the minute and that right there regardless of your body fat tells me that your relationship with exercise and yourself is not in a healthy place. It's a very stress, very stressful place where if you move outside of it, which you've already said you know I have a tough time moving outside of that and it doesn't feel right or whatever, that tells me that we're already in an unhealthy place in terms of the relationship you have with these things.

And there could be a lot of reasons why. You said you wanted to be a trainer, by the way, which also gives me another clue. If someone's this structured, this regimented, and then they also want to be a trainer, that's like another red flag to me because people who tend to want to make it the profession, there's a much larger percentage of those people that tend to have these challenges with exercise and nutrition in the opposite direction with the average person would have in terms

of those challenges. From a body fat percentage standpoint, it doesn't matter what your labs say or your general lab say it would be no different than a Person with 38% body fat going in getting tested and saying oh my my my numbers look good. So I should be okay It's like well, no, we know we know that there are risks associated with high body fat We also know there are risks associated with low body fat, we also know there are risks associated with low body fat. And when you get down below 15%, you're in the 11%, you're starting to dip into the essential body fat range. Your hormones are probably, are you on

any supplemental hormones? Are you on birth control, anything like that? Not on birth control, I have an IUD. Okay, so hormones tend to get affected. And what happens when you're stuck in this is you won't see it until you move outside of it. Now, again, because we're on the podcast, I have to be very direct.

I would make you gain weight, stop so much of the structure, bump your calories, reduce your exercise, you're doing a lot, and then try to stay in that place to see what happens with your body. I'd like to see you 15, 16, 17% body fat, which is still very low. You're still going to be very lean, but what'll probably happen is you'll feel stronger. You'll have more energy.

Uh, you may feel different in terms of mood, anxiety, that kind of stuff. Also breaking the chains from so much of the structure, although it's gonna feel very uncomfortable at first, is gonna feel very freeing later on. Now discipline does create freedom, but this much discipline is not freedom. This is very, very, everything's in this box. And again, unfortunately, this would be a longer

coaching process if I were working with you because we would go piece by piece. So I'm having to tell you like, this is all the stuff that you gotta do. I mean, how do you feel about what I'm saying? Does it feel like you're gonna hang? I was just gonna ask that. Yeah, are you gonna hang up and be like,

screw that guy? Or you've been listening to the show and you're like, okay, I got, you know. Because I'm wondering if you're asking this question because a part of you kind of was thinking the same stuff oh absolutely I mean and I I appreciate everything that you say and I'm just soaking it all in because I trust you guys this is why I reached out to you. It's like, if anybody can like, you know, make me kind of just get me to really change, make changes, it's probably, probably you all,

cause I listen to you all the time and I'm just like, like, you know, sometimes you hear what doctors are saying or this and that and you're like, well, how do I know? But then I guess it's just, I have a lot of faith in you guys, so I know I am, I am absorbing every word and I'm learning from it for sure. Okay. I would love, do you have any of our programs? I'd love to give you one of our programs to follow.

I don't have any of them now. Okay. I'd love for you to follow MAPS Anabolic. I think that'll be a great program for you. I think I would avoid excessive cardio. You could do some walking, but for now, I would avoid it. And then I'd like to see you try to increase your strength, get stronger, and increase your caloric intake. And if your lifts are going up,

you're moving in the right direction. Then you know you're moving in the right direction. And then here's the thing, I want you to loosen up a little bit. Can you give yourself a day or two where you're like, I'm not gonna follow a plan. I'm gonna, you know, I'm just gonna. You still eat good, but you're just, yeah,

you're not as like overbearing with what you're doing. Maybe you start with like a day or something like that and see what that leads to and see how it feels. And what you might notice is it swings in the opposite direction, like oh my God, I went crazy that day. Or you may find, yeah, I'm off. Today's my loose day, but I ended up looking exactly like all the other days.

So you want it to kind of be somewhere in the middle and see if you can, if you can kind of feel yourself break free from some of those chains, because that structure is something that you're clinging onto, and it could probably feel uncomfortable to move out of it, but that means that we probably need to move in that direction. Are we, are we aware where that comes from? Like, do you know why, why you're like hyper controlling of all these things? Like, do you know where that stems

from by any chance? You know, I really don't. Cause I mean, I've been, I've had structure, I've put structured by life in like for, for many years, probably even, even when I was say in high school or college, all of that. And it's not something I can necessarily like for many years probably even when I was, say, in high school or college, all of that. And it's not something I can necessarily pinpoint

if I think back to, you know, whether it's my childhood or anything that I've gone through like, you know, knock on wood, thankfully, like that's all been great. So I'm not really sure what it is, like what it is that makes me feel like, okay, like I just need structure and I need, you know, kind of like,

this is how things are done, you follow that regimen, that type of thing, so. Have you been called a perfectionist? Oh yeah, definitely, yeah. Yeah, so this is a control issue. This is definitely a control issue where you're probably a high achiever, you probably got straight A's in high school and college and everything was really. So this is a control issue.

So that's what I'm going to look at this from that standpoint. Like, can I let go of some of this control? Very gradually. And it's going to feel terrifying. And can I just lean into that feeling and try to get comfortable with it? Because people who want a lot of control, it tends to be comfortable. Like I can predict, I know what's gonna happen.

There's nothing that's outside of my normal day. So this is a control thing and you've, you know, this behavior, it sounds like you've had it for a long time. Move out of it slowly and it's gonna feel so good. It's gonna feel so good when you get comfortable moving out of it, but at first it's gonna feel worse. It's gonna feel like you're at it like,

oh my God, I don't wanna do this. So just keep that in mind as you start to move in this direction. Because you're considering going in the trainer direction, which I love that, have you looked at our coaching program that we launched this year? Have you seen that yet? I have seen that I was going to sign up after, after getting certified.

So, I mean, I would love to, I love for you to do that even before it'll serve you even before all the information in there is going to help you. You know why? Because, uh, do you find that you might have a passion for helping others with fitness? Yes, absolutely. That's the mark that I want to put on. That's why I'm doing this is really to fill my cup.

It's something that I'm thinking about all the time, fitness and nutrition at the granular level and talk, anybody who knows me, I talk their ears off and I'm just, so I just need to get into a gym and help people. This is what saved me is that I loved helping people so much that it was really hard for me not to notice get into a gym and help people. This is what saved me, is that I loved helping people so much that it was really hard for me not to notice

the contrast, like wait, why am I giving them that advice but I'm not taking my own advice, or wow. So if you really like to help people, that's gonna help you quite a bit. And our course talks a lot about how to help people the right way, and I think through that, you may be able to come back and really benefit from yourself.

Yeah. And I would just love to see you in there with all the other coaches and trainers, right? It's that's the only people that are in there. So normally I was, I would normally give someone like you our private forum to come in there with that community, but I actually think because of your passions for this, being surrounded by other people, very passionate and a lot of us have come from this place, by the way, a lot of fitness professionals.

I've struggled with this like to Sal's point. And so that's a great community. I think you'll, you would, you would really enjoy that. So I'll have Doug send maps and a ball off the program or two, and then the link to the trainer course. And I hope to see you inside there. For sure. Thank you.

I will absolutely be there. And yes, I appreciate all of your advice and yeah, it's, uh, I needed to talk to you guys. You got us now. So we're connected. So stay connected with us. Yes. Grateful for you. Thank you for helping so many people, including myself.

Thank you. Thank you so much for following, listening. Thank you. Of course. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much for following, listening. Thank you. Of course. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye bye. The one thing I don't like about this is

that would not have been. That was too short a conversation. There's no way. I just hope she gets it. What I did, the only way it would have landed is if she listens to our show and she already feels like she has a relationship with us. Because for trainers listening,

you would never talk to somebody like I did with that much information right out the gates. It's just not going to work. But I mean, what she was saying was like red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag. And then what I would do with my coaching is I would one little one at a time, just a very gentle little gradual each time. But for people listening, I'm sure it was obvious to them, is that everything's so structured and regimented, and you could tell she was saying that she kinda knows it, but then she would be apologetic about it.

But I like it, and I feel good, but here's what's happening. Let me start contrast is gonna spin her out. Yeah, totally. You really have to just address it very gradually. And it has served her. I mean. Yeah, she's probably a high performer. Yeah, she probably kills it in about everything

she attacks and gets after. And she's going to the doctor, and her blood markers are kicking her back that she's good. Yeah. So it's confirming. Yeah. So it's just confirming all those things. So to think that, you know, to think you as if for coaches and trainers that are

listening to this and that are put in that, this position to have this conversation, this is a very slow and like one went small win at a time here. Yes Otherwise it just goes in one ear not just that but if she was a brand new potential client And I said to her the only reason why this again they were signing up because she's fans of the show She would have left. Yeah, I would have never helped her She would have left a lot of hours with us before this Yeah, she's like I'm gonna find somebody's gonna tell me what I want to hear I mean, I could and then I would never be able to help her.

I hope she gets in the trainer course. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope. Because I tell you what, again, that community of people that are in there. More accountability, more people in the career. I guarantee we have a good percentage of them that have been through very. At least half.

Yes, so I hope she goes in there. Totally. Especially if that's the direction she wants to go, that community is going to help her. Totally. Look, we have a free fat loss guide, mindp in there. Totally. Especially if that's the direction she wants to go, that community's gonna help her. Totally. Look, we have a free fat loss guide, mindpumpfree.com. It's awesome, go check it out, it's free. You can also find us on social media.

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