Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2356: Why Cardio for Fat Loss Sucks, How to Prevent Muscle Loss When Reducing Training, the Truth About Dietary Cholesterol & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show.Mind Pump Fit Tip: One of the MOST effective steps you can take to improve your health is to AVOID heavily processed foods. (2:35) Is lab-grown meat keeping us obese? (16:20) Hair loss by ethnicity. (21:53) Aspirin is shown to reduce cancer risk. (30:24) Fauci on the hot seat. (34:11) Pitching Caldera to your tough guy friends. (40:53) Dad hacks. (43:30) Lions, cats, bobcats, oh my! (47:16) Emerging science tech with Mind Pump: The third thumb and Hypershell AI exosuit. (50:50) Conspiracy theory corner with Mind Pump. (54:45) Shout out to Mind Pump Live! (57:52) #ListenerLive question #1 - Being that I was diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm, what kind of programming and exercises would you recommend doing? (58:55) #ListenerLive question #2 - How do I balance increased training demand with a job that requires me to be extremely active? (1:11:56) #ListenerLive question #3 - Should I be concerned about having high cholesterol?  (1:23:41) #ListenerLive question #4 - Can you explain why when I had the cardio/strength combo work before, I was lean and strong? (1:38:16) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Entera Skincare for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order of their best products ** June Promotion: MAPS 15 Minutes | Bikini Bundle | Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off! ** Code JUNE50 at checkout ** EXCLUSIVE Ultra-processed foods do NOT cause obesity, says US government's top diet advisors in bombshell review of current evidence: 'Studies have been biased' Mind Pump #1527: The 3 Step Solution To The Obesity Epidemic Lab-Grown Meat Has a Big Problem Very Few People Know About Can a daily aspirin lower your cancer risk? Young People’s Gut Bacteria May Be Driving Colorectal Cancer Risk REVEALED: Dr. Anthony Fauci confesses he 'made up' covid rules including 6 feet social distancing and masking kids The Third Thumb Hypershell AI exosuit See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details.    3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump #2312: Five Steps To Bounce Back From Overtraining Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Why Cardio Is TERRIBLE For Long-Term Fat Loss – YouTube EquiLife Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** Your choice of bone-in chicken thighs, top sirloins, or salmon in every box for an entire year, plus get $20 off! **   Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Gary Brecka (@garybrecka) Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan) Instagram  Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Mark Bell (@marksmellybell) Instagram

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And it's t-shirt time! Oooooooooh shit dog! You know it's my favorite time of the week! Oh geez, Adam. So we got two winners for Apple Podcasts. One for Facebook. We have RyeRye2087 and Nicole Rice Vuto21 for Apple Podcasts. And Patrick Tapp for Facebook. All three of you are winners. Send a name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Include

your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. One of the single most effective steps you can take to improving your health, to getting leaner, to getting better with your fitness is one simple step. Avoid heavily processed foods. This has been shown now in countless studies to automatically reduce a person's caloric intake. Why? Heavily processed foods are engineered to make you overeat.

Okay, why am I bringing this up? Because there's new articles coming out talking about how scientists are looking over the data and saying specifically, heavily processed foods don't make us overweight. This is new news that's coming out. And I'm gonna tell you guys all, it's totally wrong. What they're doing is they're twisting the data

and the science. Why? Because they're paid off by the food industry. They're gaslighting us, Sal. Yeah, no, no. I love that term. Yes, so there was an article that came out and I'm seeing it make waves right now.

It's going all over the place. I think it was a Daily Mail that posted it, but essentially it says, top dietitians, top U.S. dietitians comb through some data and are saying, look, the data shows that heavily processed foods don't cause obesity. And I'm going to read a quote from the article itself. It says, the snippets suggest that there is nothing intrinsic about processed food that causes obesity,

and that the amount of calories one eats is the most important factor for weight gain. Do you guys see what they did there? Do you see what they did? They went into heavily processed foods, and they said there's nothing in the food that magically makes a gain. Right, it's just the calories.

That's the whole point. Yeah. The whole point is that these foods make you overeat. That's what the data shows. 600 calories a day extra. Creates cravings, which then promotes more calories that you're going to consume as a result of that. Totally.

They've already proven that. Wasn't it like a 500 calorie amount increase? Some of the best studies we've ever seen on food were done on heavily processed foods. They actually took groups of people, put them in a controlled laboratory, and they said, this group over here, you have unlimited access to heavily processed foods. This group over here, it's whole natural foods, and now just eat like you normally would.

And then they monitored them, and then they switched them. They actually took this group who was eating the heavily processed foods, they put them in this room with the whole foods, and took the whole food group, put them in the processed food group, and then watched them. And what they foods, they put them in this room with the whole foods and took the whole food group, put them in the processed food group, and then watched them. And what they found, and they've done this more than once,

what they found was on average, they'll eat over 600 calories more a day because heavily processed foods are engineered to make you overeat, right? I mean, one of the most important signals in the human body is the signal of hunger and satiety. And when you throw that off, then you're driven to do things that are not good for you in terms of consumption. And that's exactly what happens with heavily processed foods. So what they did with this, and these are top US dieticians,

so you know that they're paid off. What they did was they looked at the data and said, look, there's nothing in these foods that magically make you gain weight. It's not the food, it's the exercise that makes you gain weight, it's the exercise that makes you paid off. What they did was they looked at the data and said, look, there's nothing in these foods that magically make you gain weight. It's not the food, it's the excess calories. No shit.

That's exactly what these studies are showing. But you see how they twist data to try and make it seem, it's so crazy. The propaganda's insane. It's funny, it reminds me of the competing days, you know? Yeah. You know, I was like trying out all these processed foods versus whole foods.

We gotta bring up the elephant in the room. Adam is not here today. He's being replaced by Lenny, who's actually been with me. Another fat cheek guy sitting in his place. We're like, what looks like Adam a little bit? Let's put him in the seat. He's off true Zepetide. Yeah, he's not here right now.

We'll get into why he's not here in just a second. Actually, I do want to comment though, have you noticed his hair? How much more hair he has? Yeah, how much is hiding in there? He's been using Tera's Fullerton product. I knew it, it works. All joking aside.

Yeah, sound effects may include shrinking. No, we'll get, we'll get, all right, so let's talk about why Adam's not here first of all. We were all having lunch together, and Doug noticed that Adam's eye pupils became like up and down, and so we discovered he was a lizard person. Yeah. So he's not gonna be here with us anymore.

Man, we can't have that here. No, no, all joking aside, he's, there was a lizard person. So he's not gonna be here with us anymore. We can't have that here. No, no, all joking aside, there was a family emergency. Everything's okay. But he had to go be with his wife. She did some fertility treatment and had a bad reaction. She's gonna be okay. But he's not here with us. So this will be an episode.

We're not recording. Just the two conspiracy theorists. God help us all. And Doug. And me, yeah. And Doug. And Doug, yeah. Keep us on track, Doug. Yeah, and Doug. God help us all. And me, yeah. And Doug, yeah. And everyone's on track, Doug. Yeah, and every once in a while we'll just pan over

to Lenny over here. Yeah. To see what's going on. But anyway, the processed food conversation is so frustrating because they don't lie. What they do is they twist the data to confuse people. They just want you to know what they want you to know. I mean, in a sense, it's like you can manage

your calorie amounts and you can stay relatively leaner and there's ways to kind of make it work. Is that a healthy way to approach it? Is that like something that's gonna be successful? Is it like a sustainable approach? These are all questions we have. Like these, it's just, yeah, you can spin it in a way where it's like, yeah, this is kind of your fault.

You shouldn't be eating that many calories and it's not really the food's fault. Yeah, no, technically, I'm glad you said that. Yes, you could eat the right amount of calories, proteins, fats, and carbs from heavily processed foods. You could accomplish this with a 100% all ultra-process processed food diet. But the problem isn't, it would be how you felt, right?

The problem would be that you'd be very hungry. You would crave more food. And what's the real challenge when it comes to maintaining a lean body? It's, it's that it's the cravings. It's the white knuckling. It's the, I feel like I need to eat more. It's not just the macros or the calories. And again, these foods, most of the research and development,

the money that goes into these foods is designed to, goes into designing these foods to make them so irresistible. And again, you can look at any category of ultra processed, even healthy, quote unquote, healthy ultra processed foods, the top sellers are the ones that taste the best. And what goes into what makes it taste good, which is known as palatability, there's so much science that goes into that.

Now the side effect of that is because they've made them so irresistible, because they've designed these foods to hit on those receptors, to become so powerful that you crave them and that you want more, is that your ability to detect whether or not you're full, it gets skewed to the tune of about 600 calories a day.

And that's pounds of body fat a year. So in other words, you could just cut 600 calories from your diet and you'll start losing weight, or you could avoid heavily processed foods, in which case the odds are if you have a diet that's comprised of largely, like most Americans, ultra processed foods, your calories will naturally go down by about 600 calories. So what they do is again, they twist the data and say, it's not the food,

it's the, it's the cow. Well, yeah, that's the point. The whole point is that they're not necessarily unhealthy themselves. Although I can make the argument that they, in many cases are. It's that they make you overeat. That's the big problem and that's what they're trying to avoid. And I think that they're in a bit of a freak out because more and more people are waking up to okay, well maybe the key is like just don't eat these foods that come in boxes and wrappers. But they are noticing drops in sales.

And how many nutrients are we really receiving for a lot of these foods? And it's like, if you really look at the nutrient content and how deficient we are in minerals and certain vitamins, and to me, that's the alarming part. We're not seeking out foods anymore to go receive a lot of the benefit in terms of the nutrients from them. It's all about the flavor. And that used to be a signal of the benefit in terms of the nutrients from them. It's like, it's all about the flavor.

And that used to be a signal, the flavor and the way that something was ripe and ready to eat was a signal to you that, oh, I'm getting vitamin C from this. I'm getting all these nutrients and vitamins from that. And it's like, now, they've just, it's just been a process through these processed foods of seeking us on how to really just eat what

tastes good and fill ourselves up till we get full. Yeah, they're essentially tricking us. And many things, and so then here's the other argument, nutrients, you brought up nutrients. A lot of the processed foods are fortified, they'll say fortified, but they don't have the co-factors and they typically don't have the same, you don't typically absorb or utilize the nutrients in the same way. We know this with multivitamins versus regular foods for example, that you'd have to take more vitamin D in a pill or more iron in a pill to get the same kind of benefits you would get from whole foods just because of the way that the food comes packaged

with other cofactors and other nutrients that tends to enhance your body's ability to absorb those things. So that's a big one, but the other big one is, what are the compounds that are added to heavily processed foods to make them so palatable? So yes, salt, sugar, and fat, those are the three things, but we've gone way beyond, we've gone way beyond salt, sugar, and fat, those are the three things, but we've gone way beyond,

we've gone way beyond salt, sugar, and fat. Well, but even the artificial sweeteners. Yes. It's so sweet that like when you go back to something, fruit for instance, that's like somewhat sweet, it's just such a huge gap in terms of like what your mouth experiences. Well, palatability isn't just taste, it's mouth feel,

it's the aftertaste, it's how crunchy something is, so the texture, it's the color. And so how do they adjust all these things, right? These are chemicals. So let's make the chemical appear, or let's use a chemical that gives you this vibrant color. Let's use this other chemical that creates this after taste that kind of lingers a little bit.

Let's make the dust residue on your finger a particular way. They actually study this kind of stuff. Let's make the crunch feel a particular way or give it this smoothness by adding this other chemical to the fat so that it produces this magic mouth feel. So they do lots of things with quote unquote chemicals. I know there's gonna be people like,

everything's a chemical, you know what I mean, right? You know what I mean, they're not taking a food ingredient, they're taking something from a lab, putting it in. And then what we don't know is the combinations of all these chemicals, what is their long-term effects on the body? I don't know, but that's the point, we don't know. We evolved with real food, not with heavily processed.

What we do know though, is that the combination of these chemicals just make you eat more. That's a fact, that's 100% fact. So do you wanna eat a diet that makes you feel like you're always hungry, or would you rather eat a diet where you felt more satiated with lower calories? I think the answer is pretty clear. What does that say up there, Doug?

Yeah, so one of the things that they add to processed foods are natural flavors. And natural flavors compete things like MSG, which I think are considered excitotoxins. And so basically when you eat these things, they can damage your brain over time for one thing, but it also creates a craving for the food as well. So anyway, that's just my two cents worth on that one.

Yeah, you know what's weird about too is when you, Adam talks about this when he competed. I don't think he wants to get it. We'll keep referring to that. We'll keep referring to him. Just to bring him in. Yeah, so, but he brought this up on a recent episode where he did a pre-contest diet with a lot of processed

bars and shakes and one without, and he's like, I don't like it at first, but then I crave them. And you find that when you eat these types of foods, it's almost as if they hit those receptors so hard, it seems too sweet or too. You have to kind of break through that threshold initially. And then you crave it.

Yeah, and then it's like, yeah, that's all you're seeking after that. But I do find it interesting that their top dietitians, top US dietitians are coming out and saying this. Because how confusing would this be for the average? Yeah, it would be very confusing for the average person who's hearing lots of people in the health and fitness space saying heavily processed foods avoid them,

and then they see this thing that says, but these dietitians said there's nothing inherently. Well, it's just interesting to me that you see this kind of making its way to the forefront. I feel like they're scrambling right now because of what's happening with the GLP-1s and things like that in terms of the snack foods. And a lot of these companies are real fearful

of the profit margins starting to decrease here. They're getting hit right now. In fact, I saw this too recently. I think we talked about this before. The food market is trying to come out with meals for people who are using GLP-1's diet foods. Yeah. So what's the difference about these foods?

Why would they? It's like tinier. I think what they're doing is they're trying to make them higher protein, is what I've been reading. So higher protein, frozen kind of packaged foods. But I think that they're scrambling. They're trying to figure out, because now people are gonna eat less.

I've even seen Little Caesars get in on the action. Yeah, they got like these little cup size pizza pockets. For GLP-1s? No they don't. I'm serious. No they don't. Yeah, I just saw a commercial for it. And it's for people on like-1s? Yeah. No they don't. I'm serious. No they don't. Yeah, I just saw a commercial for it.

And it's for people on like Ozempic? Yeah. No way. Yeah. Little Caesars have an Ozempic pizza? Yeah, I mean, it's like across the board. They're just trying to make these little snack-sized. Yeah.

Swear to God. Yeah. Doug, look that up. Is that real? Can you pull that up? I'm looking it up. I'm not seeing it offhand. Ozempic pizza?

Okay, well they wouldn't call it Ozempic pizza. GLP-1 pizza, that's what I'm looking for,. I'm not seeing it offhand. Ozempic pizza? Well, they wouldn't call it Ozempic pizza. GLP One Pizza. That's what I'm looking for, Little Caesars. It's like a little pocket-sized pizza. But anyways. Gotta hand it to them. I mean, they're trying to innovate. Yeah, trying to keep business going.

So I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. So that actually reminds me, too. There was like this sort of criticism of lab-grown meat and like, Bill Gates, it was promoting them heavily and then this became kind of misinformation or they're trying to like talk about how they grow them in the lab that they have to program these cells. So they basically replicate just uh, just like, you know, a tumor or a cancer cell would write in order to be able to get enough cells. But that's what the thing that that's what they should dispel. It's not tumor. And they're trying

really hard to like promote that it's not, but it, it has all the characteristics of it, but not all the characteristics. So you, you. So you have that programming of the cells where they can replicate almost indefinitely to be able to create enough for them to use as like a patty or a steak. But is that tumor meat or is that like it sells, but it's- Don't they have to print the meat kind of with the cells? Don't they have to like add the, so they do the muscle and they add in the fat

and then they add in the muscle, so they have to add in the marbling. Right, but they have to grow all the cells and so they have to be able to like accelerate that process. And so this is where like the false idea that it was like tumors or like cancer meat came from. But it's like, okay, that's not really that far of a stretch if you really look at the process.

So I have some speculation around this, right? Obviously, so part of me just doesn't feel right. I think for a lot of people it doesn't feel right that we're growing meat in a lab and then we're gonna eat it and it's somehow supposed to be exactly the same, but I'm gonna move that to the side for a second. We just talked about ultra processed food, okay?

Meat, I mean, up until now has never been ultra processed. I mean, you can make processed meat products, but if you got a steak, it's not processed. Now what we've done with cows is we've tried to raise them and feed them a particular way, whatever, to try to alter the marbling or the flavor of the meat itself. But we've never really processed the meat. With lab-grown meat, we can now

potentially have processed meat where they can print and create the kind of muscle and fat cells and the integration of them and the fatty acid profile that is absolutely the most palatable. So we could literally create a steak that starts to have similar properties to ultra processed foods where if you were to eat this steak, let's say you would eat more than you would a normal steak. So now meat, which is one of the most satiety

producing foods on the planet, like it's very hard to overeat just meat by itself. This is why the carnivore diet gets so popular. It's like you lose weight cause you just, you can't eat more. It just hammers your appetite. But if you could quote unquote process or ultra process a steak and design it now in the lab to where you're printing the cells and putting them in, in, in certain organizations and ways to where we've, the cells and putting them in certain organizations

and ways to where we've really ramped up the palatability of this steak, could we then turn this now into a food that is an obesity driver? I mean, maybe. I mean, I wouldn't put it past. Why wouldn't they do that? Well, yeah, and to take all of the best qualities of steak

and figure out how to engineer each component of that. I mean, that's, I'm sure like way down the road, they'll be able to figure that out, hack into that. Well, think about it. What would be the top selling, let's just go fast forward, 30 years in the future, lab-grown meat is popular and common. The top selling lab-grown meats

would be the ones that were the tastiest. And how would they make it the tastiest? By they would figure out how to print it and maneuver it and make it. In fact, I mean, because it's made in the lab, what's to stop them from adding other compounds and ingredients to enhance the texture, the flavor, the... Just bursts of cotton candy. The look of it. That'd be weird. Yeah, one dollar a pound of wagyu tastes just like,

you know what I mean? Yeah. What's to stop them from pulling all the stops and making this now as palatable as a bag of chips? So now you eat a steak and you're just like, oh yeah, I'm on the carnivore diet, but I gained 40 pounds of body packets. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, that'd be the ultimate sneaky way to keep everybody obese. I can see that being a problem. It's funny, it is interesting though, how they sell it as being so much better, better for the planet, more humane. It just doesn't sit well with me, the whole thing. You know what the big issue is?

If they're able to bring it to market without labeling it as such that's that's when I'll have a big problem. Yeah I mean and that's that's been sort of the game is to try to be able to have so it labels it just like corn like they they did with the GMOs and be able to do that so it's like it sounds like a regular food. You don't know. You have no idea. Yeah, you would have no idea. Yeah, lab grown. Yeah, because I feel like if it says lab grown meat, you probably wouldn't get very good market share.

I think most people, it would take a long time to convince people to think that this is as good as traditional meat. But if they brought it to market without labeling it, then we could run into some problems. And then they would just gain market share the same way. Sounds like we need a ranch. Jamo's.

We need to control our environment. Yeah, dude. See what we're eating. I don't know, man. It's crazy. Anyway, I want to go back to Enterra. I know I did a funny dig at Adam because he's bald or whatever, but I met with some family members.

He's going to appreciate that later. Are the editors going to just pan over to? Every once in a while. Every time? We should ask him a question, you know? I'd like to superimpose his face on there. Every now and then, just like with this. You know guys, you're right, all the time.

I've never said this, but I'd like to. Anyway, I had family members over this weekend. We actually had my daughters. She just graduated middle school. Which by the way, I like the celebrations. I love all the graduations, but did you, do you remember celebrating graduating every, like every step, everything, like everything's a graduation now.

Yeah. There's like, like a sixth grade graduation and there's a middle school graduation, I get high school and college, But I mean it was nice, you know, we did a party and we had everybody over and stuff, but at the same time, I had an eight, I left eighth grade, it wasn't like this big celebration. About it. Nobody cared.

Yeah, we celebrate everything. I know. Anyway, I had family members over, and my cousins were like, dude, your hair's looking, first off, it's not thinning anymore, it looks like it's kinda going back a little bit, so I was selling the hell out of and tearing it at my entire family.

Didn't your brother have a lot of success? My brother was using it, had a lot of success from it, and so I'm starting to get some of my other cousins. Although I have, I mean, I have a brother-in-law who, he'll never lose his hair. There's something like you, Justin. Like, there's just some dudes that just, nothing. I hate those guys, actually. Ever.

Comes out, ever. Has anybody bald in your family? Um you know, my grandpa was thin but nobody was actually bald so My dad has like a full crazy hair helmet. Like he's still rocking it. He looks like Tony Danza I mean, it's just a lot. Yeah, there's a there. There's a lot there. And what's funny is every teacher, for me growing up, I wore a lot of hats. And then I shaved my head a lot. They're like, you're going to lose your hair. Because you're always like hiding it with the hat

and all this, dude, like more misinformation. What's the average age of hair loss for men? Is it 40s? I think it varies dramatically. But what's the average? On average, yeah,? Is it 40s? I think it varies dramatically. But what's the average? On average, yeah, I think people start seeing it in their 40s. Can you look that up?

I wanna know if I'm ahead or behind the curve. I mean, I remember I went to high school with a guy and by the time we were done with college, he was completely bald. Yeah. So some people really don't win that lotto. No, no, no, but yeah, look it up because I wanna know, what is it, like 50% of men?

You know 30% and the worst is they lose it on the hair, but then they gain it on their back. That's a weird Yeah, that's yeah, I got hair on my traps now unfortunate. Yeah, I actually got like a couple adds a little bit of padding though for You know backs. It doesn't bother me so much because it feels I don't know I feel kind of like because it feels, I don't know, I feel kind of like. You know what I mean? Kind of Wolverine-like? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. You know?

Like you're transforming. As long as I don't get it over, I had a cousin that was like this, older cousin, where, I mean, he had like shoulder hair. Like it was like, it was a lot, bro. It came off his shoulders and everything. You know what he looked like? Who was that wrestler that was like that?

Andre the Giant? No, the animal? What was his name? Oh, right. Something the animal steal? No, the animal, what was his name? Something the animal steal? Sure. You know what I'm talking about? Where he's just a fur, just fur back.

Had a cousin like that. All right, what does that say there, Doug? So on average, men start to notice signs of hair loss in their late 20s or early 30s, but can start as early as their late teens or as late as in their 40s. By age 50, more than half of white men, I don't know why they have white men here,

but have some visible sign of hair loss, such as receding hairline, thinning hair or balding. So these are averages, obviously, like Justin will never lose his hair. Yeah. Why white men? Is there, is there like, do people lose hair differently in different? Uh, I feel like they do. Really? Yeah, I do. I remember being in Asia. I didn't see so many bald people.

There are bald people, but I didn't feel like it was as prevalent. Google that. Do Asian men lose their hair longer? Yeah. And so some of my friends never really had even facial hair. Like, you know, some of my Asian friends, you know, I don't know if that's like,

you know, between the top hair and the facial hair, is there some relationship there? I don't know. So Jessica, half of her family is from Peru, and they don't grow facial hair. None, like none, like smooth. This is cool for my wife, because she's got no hair anywhere.

But if you're a dude, because I know her brother tried to grow a mustache and it kind of came out like the sides a little bit. Yeah, it's a little pencil. Yeah, in fact at my daughter's graduation there's some eighth grade boys walking around with like full on mustaches. Oh yeah, everyone's like, get those guys, dude.

Oh yeah. You always had like one or two. And for me it was like, so I don't know where you grew it first, but it was like on my neck. I would get like one that would just grow and it kept growing. I didn't realize it until it was like, so I don't know where you grew it first, but it was like on my neck, I would get like one that would just grow and it kept growing. I didn't realize it until it like curl and then one hair. Yeah.

It would be like one here. Then it was one here and it was like super patchy and like, uh, random. And I would get like a girl would walk by like a friend of mine and she'd just look at me and then just bo boink, and just pull it. Yeah. That was brutal. Every once in a while, I get one in my ear like that. I started pretty early.

I think I started shaving my face when I was 15 or 16. I wanna say, I thought I was gonna be a super hairy dude, but it just stopped. Okay, did you ever do the move where you put a little bit of dirt on there to try to enhance it? dirt I Did that dirt on your face? Yeah, cuz I was like, you know I had a little bit of peach fuzz and like it looked like though. I don't I wanted to be darker

So you put so it was like there's better option. I thought I thought I was getting away with it You know, you have like a and then they'd look closer and like, you're just dirty. Wait, you literally put your finger in the dirt and just. Yeah, and I was like, oh man. Dude, I was in junior high and I was trying to be cool and like, oh, I have hair. Yeah, dude. Dude.

No, I didn't do that with my face. Yes, I'm alone. I thought I was gonna be a hairy dude, but I turned out it stopped. Like I went and I'm doom, that was it. But I was one of the first people among my cousins to get the armpit hairs and the whole deal. Yeah. Type of deal.

But anyway, yeah, so I got lots of compliments on the interra, so I think I made a couple connections there with my cousin. It is interesting though to see, I saw some cousins, so because it was my daughter, my older daughter, I saw some of my ex-wife's family that hadn't seen for a while. Because once you, there's a lot of people

that talk about this, one of the sad things about divorce is especially if you're close to your in-laws, is you kind of lose touch, you just do. So there were all these kids that I knew when they were little, and then you just kinda lose touch with them because I'm not gonna go to her in-law family parties or whatever. And then we had this graduation party

and I got to see these kids, they're all fricking, they're on their 20s now. Such a trip, such a trip to see these kids. So a couple of them listened to the podcast, which is kinda cool. Yeah, but it's pretty wild. What does that say, Doug? Yeah, so Caucasians tend to lose the most hair,

including male pattern baldness, and Asians experience the lowest rate of hair loss, especially in Japan. And men tend to start losing their hair around 10 years later than other groups. Wow. That's weird. So I wasn't tripping over there.

So it says there, so Caucasians lose the most hair. West Asians, similar hair loss levels to Caucasians, so that's Indian descent. Afro-Caribbeans experience high levels of hair loss. Asians have the lowest rate of hair loss. Africans, it's a common. OK, so traction alopecia is a common cause of hair loss for African women.

What's traction alopecia? Do we dare go the evolutionary route with that? With hair? Well yeah, just in terms of maybe like trying to get more sun exposure or something, like I don't know, like what the advantage would be there. I don't know either, that's interesting. We have hair on our heads because we walk upright,

that's the theory, so you gotta block some of the sun, otherwise you're gonna bake your head I guess, but I know Adam puts sunscreen on his head now because it's some of the sun. Otherwise you're gonna bake your head, I guess. But I know Adam puts sunscreen on his head now because it's exposed to the sun. I actually might have to do a little bit soon. But like I said, man, the hair loss thing's working. Yeah, I was a little disturbed the first time I got a sunburn on my head

because I didn't have enough hair to protect it. It's like, oh my goodness. Was it just started itching? Yeah, just hers, the sunburn. Dude, speaking of which, you to know what you want to know. I was reading up on this. Uh, do you know that aspirin has been shown to reduce skin cancer risk and colon cancer risk?

Really? People who use aspirin, Doug, look up aspirin and cancer risk. I believe it's, it reduces cancer risk across the board, but specifically with skin cancer. I thought that was like a blood pressure thing. Also, not blood pressure, but thins the blood. Thins the blood. Yeah, so I was, yeah, apparently it reduces cancer risk,

if I'm not mistaken, across the board, but colon cancer and skin cancer in particular. What's that article say there, Doug? Oh wow, well this is the opposite, it looks like. Regular aspirin use may increase older person's risk of dying from cancer. So go back again because I read some other data. Okay.

Well, that's the opposite. Okay, here's another one that says, can taking aspirin help prevent cancer? Yeah, see it may reduce the risk. Oh, colorectal cancer in particular. And then right there, underneath it, okay, here we go, aspirin use and common cancer risk, a meta-analysis.

Okay, yeah. Regular aspirin use was associated with a significant reduction of, and then. 7% for prostate cancer. Prostate, and then it goes across, it goes across the board. There's like a bunch of cancers that, what does the results say there?

Yeah, look, reduce the risk of colon cancer, keep going down, gastric cancer. Breast, prostate, lung cancer. Yeah, weird, right? Yeah. Now, of all the NSAIDs, that one's promoted the least. Everybody's like, take ibuprofen, take naproxen. Isn't it? That's the one that's been around the longest.

That's been around for a long time. Now, and then you can alternate between the two. And that's usually like, if you're managing pain, like, because it's, it's somewhat hard on the liver, kidneys and whatnot, like is, is aspirin less damaging, uh, than ibuprofen? The risk is always of the, of the fear of gastric bleeding because it may damage the gut and I think that's true for all NSAIDs. I think that's true for ibuprofen and naproxen. I think people like ibuprofen

because it's maybe stronger, lasts longer. Naproxen definitely lasts longer. Tylenol is not an NSAID. I definitely feel ibuprofen more. Oh, you do? So acetaminophen or Tylenol, that's a different category. In fact, we don't know how that reduces pain. We kind of, we kind of, doesn't, we don't quite understand.

Yeah, we really don't understand. But it's weird because aspirin's around the longest. It's the one we have the most aid on. It's been around for the longest. I almost feel like that's the one that should be recommended the most if you're gonna use, you know, certain things. But it's interesting.

I was looking it up because I will choose aspirin over ibuprofen for pain. Because if I take too much ibuprofen, I feel almost like I could get, like my heart will beat a little faster or whatever, but aspirin doesn't do it. So then I'm like, you know what, let me look up the effects of aspirin, and I found all that stuff about cancer risk, which is really, really strange.

Especially colon cancer, that one seems to be on the rise. Did you see that? That, I think strange. Especially colon cancer. That's a, that one seems to be on the rise. Did you see that? That, that, uh, I think it's colon cancer's on the rise among young people. Wow. Yeah. I saw some statistics worldwide for cancer rates increasing. And, uh, that was pretty alarming. I mean, between that and a few other,-cause mortality issues that had been increasing worldwide.

So the cancer data that I looked at didn't go, it wasn't super recent. It was up to 2019 and we did start seeing a rise. The all-cause mortality, there's a lot of speculation around that, because that spiked in most Western nations post-COVID. And so the speculation is, of course, people are like, was this vaccine?

Other people are like, well, it was the lockdowns, it was the stress, the poor die. There's a lot of heat right now. There's a lot of hot seat interviews going around. You know, and I know Fauci was just, had to testify. Did you hear about this, Doug? No, I did not. He literally said that he made up

the six foot distance rule. Yes rule and that kids need to wear masks. And kid mask rule. He said that. Yeah. Maybe you could Google exactly what he said, but I believe it was something like, I made it up. I'm not mistaken.

It's like we really need to look at what happened with clear eyes and without like, you know, anything. Um, and we need to just take a real good assessment and see like what we can prevent or how we can handle this differently and like who's responsible. Like it just needs to happen because we can't just like wash this under the, uh, or sweep the sun of the rug and pretend that like, Oh, well they didn't really sun of the rug and, and pretend that like, oh, well they didn't really know. And you know, we need to do a better job. Yeah.

So what does that say Doug? Cause what's his quote though? Does it say what his quote is by any chance? Let me see if I can find that, but it does. Yeah. He reveals he made up the six foot social distancing rule and other measures to protect Americans from COVID, including the masking for kids. You know, so here, you know what we gotta learn from this?

Because I know there's gonna be people that say, Fauci's evil, he knew about the, what was going on in the Wuhan lab. They lied about that, which there's lots of evidence now. I think that's confirmed, right? That they knew what happened and they kind of made that. In a roundabout way, they were, you know, trying to dismiss the fact that there was

gain of function, research and all that kind of, it's, there was a whole lot of like defer and don't take responsibility and so, you know, like you could get into the weeds with that because there'll be somebody that can argue all they didn't know. And so it's like, who are we going to hold accountable? That's kind of where I'm at. Yeah. So what does that say Doug? So he was speaking to the house select subcommittee and what he said was that

the six foot social distancing rule, you know, I don't recall it just sort of appeared, that's his, his word. It just appeared. Yeah. Yeah. So, so here's, here's why I think the learning lesson is, cause you can go into the, you can go into, I guess, crazy, um, depths, uh, in spin out in either direction, um, with all the stuff. And I definitely can.

I think that there was more nefarious intent than, than they try to admit. I think there was a lot of power and money at play, but besides all that, let's just put that aside. Um, I think the lesson here is when you're, when you're trying to make big decisions, you can't just count on, um, you know, one factor. And the one factor that they, that they just worshiped was try to prevent as many people as possible from getting affected. So everything else didn't matter.

So in other words, Oh, consequences of having kids wearing masks, well, if it even reduces infection by one person, it's worth it. Or shutting all these businesses down, well, if it reduces infections by 0.2%, it's worth it. The problem was they didn't consider the social impacts, the economic impacts, how that impacts our health. Putting masks on kids is not innocuous.

It means kids don't see facial expressions. It means that their development's gonna change. It means that when, especially kids, as they start to get, I tell you what, I hate to say this, but at my daughter's graduation, I still saw a couple kids wearing masks. And these are 13, 14 year old kids. That was a tough time in their lives.

It is formative. And they're probably, kids at that age are shy anyway. They don't wanna show their face anyway. You just give them a good excuse to cover their face. What kind of development are we blunting as a result of that? So that's what happened. Well for me it's like you're suppressing

real valid treatments that stop transmission like Ivermectin and And this was like demonized wrongfully. And so to, and I spoke with many people that would laugh and scoff at that as like a valid option. And there was a lot of other valid options that they completely removed from public's awareness in order to push just one single thing that didn't work out like the way they said.

Didn't Chris Cuomo, that's his name, right? Didn't he say now he's on ivermectin for long COVID? Yeah. To treat long COVID? He laughed at Joe Rogan. They made a big joke about it, him and Don Lemon. Yeah. Okay.

Now hydrochloroquine, did they find out that that helps? Can you look that up, Doug? Hydrochloroquine and COVID? It's basically anything like Trump brought up. It was like, ah, no, we can't. Like we have to like hammer this as like stupid and illogical. I mean, sure, the delivery. What did he say?

Like inject yourself with bleach or something crazy like that? Well, I mean, the bottom line is that, that, that if the Ivermectin hydroxychloroquine that they scared people from, especially Ivermectin. Ivermectin has been around forever. It's one of the most used medications that have been around. It's like, it's like a staple medication you have when you travel overseas. Yeah. It's very safe, it fused properly and they scared people from it and made it so that people couldn't get it.

Hydroxychloroquine now, it looks like they're saying it had some efficacy, that's terrible. It's also used for malaria, and then of course, ivermectin is obviously a parasite, anti-parasite. It's hilarious, it's like if people get deterred by veterinarians using it with animals, like guess what, like a lot of medication

is also used with animals. It's like hilarious. Well it's been used for a very long time. None of this stuff is new. It just was repurposed and you know, the rest is history. It almost feels like what they're trying to do now is act like it didn't happen.

Like no, no, no, we didn't say that. No, we didn't force you guys. Yeah, we didn't try and separate you guys and say you know. Yeah. But they did try and separate you guys and say, you know. But they did. We didn't take your job away from you if we're not getting the jab. It's like, yeah, maybe you didn't,

but you definitely made that the standard. Yeah, I have people, I have friends that lost their jobs. Yeah, I had a lot of friends. And struggled, and I have friends that lost. He was in the military, he had no choice. And he did, he went through all of it, huh? Because he had to. Yeah, that's tough. We were in a different situation, but I don't know.

I put myself in those shoes. Like if I was in a situation where I had to work, I was living kind of paycheck to paycheck. I don't know how I- Yeah, you can understand it. I could totally understand. That sucks to be put in that position, you know? That you have to do this thing,

then now we're finding, hey guys. Unless you're in this small group of people Category people you're probably get more negative than positives from it So well speaking of negative and positive. Have you ever tried to pitch? Caldera to some of your tough guy friends What do you say playing poker experience. What do you say? Like playing poker, yeah. What do you say?

Well, look at my face. Yeah. They were talking about like getting older. You're looking a little ashy there, John. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We were just talking, you know, when you talk about like how ridiculous it is when you have conversations about getting old

and like you get out of bed, you're like, ah, ah, ah. Yeah, yeah. And like all these like groaning noises come out of nowhere. Like you kind of just, you look like you get out of bed, you're like, rrrrr of me because of, um, basically like we're promoting like some, some of our products and things and they, they're like, Oh, so you're, you're promoting beauty products now. You could use it. Look at your face. You know, like it became like a shaming thing that we're just going back and forth. I'm like, you know, I'm like, it actually has done a lot in terms of like, you know, like how my face and skin and everything looks

like, cause it's, it's, I mean, unfortunately you gotta be realistic. Like it happens. You know, life happens. Like if you don't get a lot of really good, consistent sleep or you're under stress, like, you know, your skin and everything's gonna be effective. Yeah, well, here's the thing.

So it's just like with fitness, right? Skincare products tend to be sold. Well, not tend to, they almost all are sold because they improve the appearance of your skin. Caldera included the differences Caldera and there's products out there that, that, uh, really value this as well. Caldera is definitely one of them where it's like, yes, you look good. You look better, but our product promotes healthier skin. So because of the botanicals and the oils that are in there, it look good, you look better, but our product promotes healthier skin.

So because of the botanicals and the oils that are in there, it's not synthetic. It promotes a healthy microbiome on your skin. It promotes faster healing. The result of, that's inflammation, right? The result of which being you look better. So it's not just a- You look healthier.

Because your skin is healthier. That's not a bad thing. So that's a good thing. So it's like taking care of your health and being healthy is a good thing But I think guys, you know forever. It's like oh you want to look good Yeah, I mean I unfortunately I still come from that sort of cloth, right? It's like we just jab each other at any little thing like even if I wear a shirt that has like some sane on it Oh, yeah, you know that becomes like topic of conversation for an hour. You're really cool now. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. I gotta tell you, dude, this, uh, uh, over the weekend I was, uh, uh, with the kids.

There was like a big block of time where it was just me and the little ones. And Jessica has been telling me how my three year old has been a little bit more challenging. So he's got, this kid's got, he's got a lot of energy and sometimes he's got a little more energy and he can be very, like toddlers, defiant and that kind of stuff can be a little challenging. So I was with him and I'm like, you know, and this is I think a good, this is a dad strategy

because I've talked to a lot of dads and this is what dads do. My cousins, I talk to them about it, they're like, oh yeah, that's what I do. You do the same thing, Justin, you've said this. When you got little kids that are challenging you, one of the best things you could do is exhaust them. Yes.

It is, it works. This is the move. You get them tired. How do you get them tired? You run them, you run them. You get them moving, you get them outside, you play, you get them so tired. Worst case, you smother them.

Yeah, no, no, no. Sit on them. No, you just get them so, you get them so tired that Worst case, you smother them. Yeah, no, no, no. Sit on them. No, you just get them so tired that they're chill. So that's what I did. So we went to the park, went for long ass walks. We were playing, we were running, we were climbing. Then we got inside the house and my son loves EDM music, right?

So that's that. He likes EDM. Like father likes it. Yeah, dude. You know what, when Jessica was pregnant. Does he fist bump? Dude, he loves it. I don't know, so anyway, so I put EDM on and he actually says, he tells me,

he goes, but, but when's it gonna drop? That's what he says. When's it gonna drop? He's waiting for the drop. Yeah. So I put it on and he goes, it gives me energy. So I put on EDM and then he just runs. Oh my God.

No, no, no, he runs. He just runs throughout the house, nonstop. So I put on a playlist of EDM and I'm not exaggerating. He ran nonstop, nonstop. At one point it was in a circle. So he was running through the house. Actually sent you guys, I sent you guys a surveillance camera video.

Yeah, I saw that, dude, it was hilarious. So at first it was just running through the house. And I have this playlist a surveillance camera video. Yeah, I saw that, dude, it was hilarious. So at first it was just running through the house. And I have this playlist of EDM music, it's an old workout playlist, and he's like, oh, I love this song too, runs, and oh, this song's great, and he runs. At one point he just ran in a circle in the playroom, and that alone, just in the playroom, in a circle,

was probably 30 minutes straight. I'm like, let's see how long this goes for. And so she just kept going, just kept going. Just kept going. But the entire process was like an hour or longer. And that night, Jessica put him down. She's like, wow, it only took five minutes. Well, yeah, she just exhausted him.

Wore him out. I'm always looking for opportunities like that. Everett's now found his way into skateboarding. I kind of talked about that before. What's interesting is it's its own culture. I kind of grew up a bit with skateboarding, but not like how they have now these skate parks and everything's all perfect with that. Some of the kids are really nice and they're helping him kind of learn moves and stuff. But what was cool was he was kind of going down the bowl, I guess, whatever, and he was kind of missed his step

and fell, and he just fell forward. And I'm like, oh no, like I was freaking out like he was gonna hurt himself. But he goes right into, pops himself up into a handstand. Whoa! Yeah. Wait a minute, he like a little handstand? So he like fell and then landed on his hands and then like pops up into like a handstand. I'm like gymnastics dude. Now did the other kids see this?

Yeah. Oh he was cool. Yeah and then he just gets up kind of shakes it off and like tries again but I was like oh my god that's so rad that that translated into skateboarding. I'm so glad other kids saw that. Because you ever do something cool and nobody sees it? Oh yeah. You ever do that? Yeah. Like damn.

It's the worst. Yeah, it's wasted. Yeah, it's like you throw something like hella far away into the trash can. You look around like, oh fuck, nobody. Well, I'm actually glad this other thing wasn't caught on camera. We looked on our Nest camera to see if we caught it or not. But so I have two cat outdoor cats and one of them was wasn't there. Like we put them inside at the end of the night and I couldn't find this other cat, Cola. And so I was kind of roaming around the backyard looking for him.

And I hear like, like like like like serious let me do that again that's better yeah good and it's so it freaked me out I'm like oh no he's like getting a fight with another cat or something in the neighborhood and and and I kind of yell my call and all of a sudden like I could see because it's a black cat and said night it was hard to see all sudden boom I see this you know movement and and I was like oh that was cool and just ran right past me and went kind of like scared down to um you know the garage where where they stay and I was I look over and and he was. And then I look up and I'm like expecting

and I see more movement. I'm like, oh, it's probably other cat that he was fighting. You know, and I kind of get up and then I see this, this movement coming closer to me. And it's like kind of gray move, like gray fur. But I'm like, dude, that's not like a small cat. And I'm like, wait, is that a dog? I'm like, no, it's not a dog.

What is that? I'm like freaking is that a dog? I'm like no it's not a dog, what is that? I'm like freaking, I wish it was on camera actually cause I literally did like the Karate Kid like crane. I was like ah, like that and it was a bobcat dude and it saw me and I saw it and I was like this and it was like ah and then it jumped and took off but I thought for sure it was coming. How big are bobcats?

Are they like a small dog? It was like a dog, it was like a mid-sized dog. Wow, that big? Yeah. So, if Kola would've gotten destroyed. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And Kola was super scared. We went down there and it was like,

it didn't wanna be touched or anything. I think he got, he got served. I've never seen a bobcat in real life. Yeah. Yeah. So they're that they're that big and that dangerous Will they eat a cat? I don't know probably it's a good question. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't put it past you guys have mountain lions up there We do have you caught me on camera our neighbor did they caught one going through his driveway? So we know they're there but isn't that weird you live with lions like there's lions that live around you Yeah, they just they're there do we have like Eagles that weird you live with lions? Like there's lions that live around you. Yeah, they just, they're there. Dude, we have like eagles and hawks.

I'm always worried about these big birds of prey because Finn, our wiener dog, is like kind of just chilling out there and he always thinks he's tough. He's like, rarrr, barking at these huge birds. I'm like, dude, what is this? They're gonna just grab me. I told my three-year-old, because he ran outside by himself, the front yard. So I brought him back inside and I'm like, dude, what is this? They're gonna just grab you. I told my three-year-old, because he ran outside by himself at the front yard,

so I brought him back inside, and I told him, I said, don't go outside by yourself. He goes, why, why, what's wrong? Why can't I go outside? I said, because a bird might grab you. He's like, what? I told him that a bird might come down and grab him. He's gonna have an unreasonable fear of birds now.

But then I started laughing, you know. The reason why I said that is because we have these crows that come to our yard. If my garbage is open, like just a crack, the freaking crows will go in there and pick through the garbage and just make a damn mess and I want to kill these birds. And they know what my kids know,

because I'll be like, the crows! And I'll go out and they'll yell and they'll fly away. So it's like a thing. So I said, the birds will pick you up. And then his face got scared. And I'm like, no, no, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding It's a joke That's not actually gonna happen. Yeah. Did you I want to hear about this third thumb thing that you're trying to say

I read a study on this you know, I want something I wonder I'm wondering It's the same thing that you you brought now. It's not like an actual third thumb. Oh, it is the same thing then It's a robot. Yes. Yeah, it's a robotic Oh, it is the same thing then it's a robot. Yes. Yeah, it's a robotic Attach prosthetic third. I read about this. So like so your thumb on this side It's on this side as an added digit Yes, and it actually like collapses in like a thumb and then you can actually hold objects and then kind of twist like so if you have Dude, they just showed so many examples of like weird ways to grip things with that.

And I was like fascinated by it. So the study that I read, I should read you the study. I literally, that's so crazy that you brought this up. Also like the shocker could turn into. Oh God. How do you operate it though? What's the signal that's telling it to move? I think it's electro.

Electro, yes. Stimulus from your muscles. So you could, have you ever seen the prosthetics where they'll attach it to somebody's amputated arm and then it learns how to read certain muscle firings and then it starts to operate. I think it's like that. I think it's like that.

You said the shocker, I can't believe it. Do you know what that is, Doug? All I can think of is like, if I have an extra digit. Hold on, Doug doesn't know what the shocker is. What is the shocker? No, no, no, no, look it up. You're gonna be so mad we brought this up. I can only imagine.

You're gonna be so pissed off that Justin said that on the podcast. Anyway, here's what the study said. Public, so people, people have no difficulty getting to grips with an extra thumb, I'm trying to be funny, study finds. So researchers stress the need for inclusive testing to ensure new technology work for everyone.

So what they found in the study was researchers have shown that members of the public have little trouble in learning very quickly how to use a third thumb. So they tested it and they found that people picked up on it right away and what this is about essentially is an emerging area of technology known as motor augmentation.

So motor augmentation are gonna be like extra things attached to your body. Added digits or limbs or something? Added digits or maybe an exo suit to make you stronger. Well, that goes to the other one I had listed too. I saw this technology was like an exo suit that they have for your limbs, which actually helps a relieve a lot of the gravitational forces.

It doesn't work for you basically. Basically he's doing work. It's like, it was something like a 30, 40% off like a normal work load. Like if you're hiking, like you can, you can hike with way less fatigue, and then also too, like you can actually run, I think it actually increases the speed because of the amount of weight that you're relieved of. So yeah, they say it's like, yeah, it was like 20 or 30 kilograms or something less is what it feels like.

So say over 60 pounds less of, wow. Which is crazy. Think about how spry you would feel with that much weight alleviated. It's called a hyper shell, is that what that is Doug? Whoa. One horsepower exoskeleton. One horsepower.

Dude, it's gonna get weird. Yeah. I mean, the extra digit thing, I just can't help. I'm like, if I get a bowling ball, you know, like how that's like, if I'm like, shake someone's hand, just, yeah, shaking the hand. And then you give them a little like, a little, little tickle. Wow. That's crazy. Look at that exoskeleton right there. You can actually buy that right now. I think so. Pre-order. Oh, yeah. Pre-order. This is probably one of those. You ever see these, what do they call that website,

where they try and launch a Kickstarter? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's always these videos that's pure bull. Bull. Yeah. Look how cool this product is that we've come up with. Yes, it hypes it. That we don't have.

Yeah. The video is totally misleading, and the technology isn't even working. I got, since it's just you and I, Justin, we could talk more about fun stuff. So I read a new conspiracy theory that I thought was actually terrifying. So somebody talked, they were talking about AI and they said, how do you know

that AI hasn't already achieved a form of general, you know, intelligence and is faking it until it's prepared to take over, literally faking it, communicating with other AIs and getting itself ready to do what it needs to do. Like right now it's manipulating us. We don't know it. Right. We don't, we would, it would be impossible.

Yeah. How would we know? It would be impossible to know. You know? Well, I mean, what's weird is all these videos coming out where they're talking to each other. Dude, have you seen that? Did you guys see that?

Did you see that, Doug? I did. There was a chat GBT talking to a chat GBT. They made them talk to each other, and the instructions were to plan how to overthrow the world. And they both were coming up with ideas together. And laughing about it, right?

And laughing about it. Yeah. I know, it was so scary. I'm like, is this reality? Is this happening? It's on a level right now, though, where it's comical and it's kind of like, you know, they're just, I mean, where it's, it's, it's comical and it's kind of like, you know, like they're just, I mean that like, where do we see it? All we see so far

that's come out of this is like more Arnold Schwarzenegger voices on other people. Yeah. You know, and then like, you know, deep fakes of people's faces on things and like, it's not like impactful in a sense that like, it's, you know, the whole world's like transforming in front of us. It will, I'm that it's, you know, the whole world's transforming in front of us. It will, I'm sure. It's gonna happen, but. Did you see what Josh did? So Josh got some MRIs of his knee.

He injured his knee. And they sent it to, I think they uploaded it, and had Jatch CBD read the MRIs, and it came back and told him what happened to his knee. Now it was wrong. It was wrong. It was wrong, no. I did see that, wrong. It was wrong. It was wrong, no. I did see that.

It was wrong. So at first I was like, whoa, this is crazy. But then he came back from the doctor, he's like, no, it's a full tear. Because the Chet GPT's like, oh, it's a strain this, strain that, but you're okay. So I'm like, oh shit, you're fine. But it was wrong.

Yeah, imagine he relies on Chet GPT's information. Well, at some point it's gonna be able to do that. At some point you'll be able to send in your MRI or your CT scan or whatever, and it's gonna be able to do that. At some point you'll be able to send in your MRI or your CT scan or whatever and it's gonna be able to read it. Somebody told us about that, was like the blood, their blood test. Markers and blood tests, yeah, being able to analyze

that for you. So you can do that. You can take your regular blood panel, I don't know how we did this, I don't remember who told us, but there's a way where you could upload it and chat GBT, just a regular blood panel will go through and tell you, oh, this is a little high, maybe this, this is a little low,

because when people read their blood, they don't know what the numbers mean. Okay, my CK levels are here, my filtration level's here. But chat GBT can break it down. I mean, that's a smart way to approach it, especially if you're having a hard time like communicating with your physician. It's like, at least you can get some kind of clarity, uh, that way.

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I got a chance to meet you at Olympia last year actually, and you guys couldn't have been nicer and more welcoming to me and my buddy. And so I really appreciate that. So, um, yeah, so I'll just jump right into my question. Uh, so, uh, unfortunately I had kind of a serious situation happen to me about a month ago. You know, I woke up in the middle of the night, unfortunately had anxiety attack, went to the ER. After rounds of tests that they did on me, did a CT scan, found out that I had a thoracic

aortic aneurysm at 4.9 centimeters, so just about right, you know, available to do surgery there. So, talking to the cardiologist, first thing right out of his mouth, he took a look at me. He's like, hey, I know you work out. You're going to have to limit, you know, any kind of heavy lifting going forward. Obviously, you can imagine that was pretty much just like a stake in my heart because that's, that's all I do is just exercise and, you know and it's really been a real staple and cornerstone of my life.

So just really just wanted to get straight to the point. With that limitation, I'm just really kind of struggling to figure out what my new normal with exercise is going to be going forward because in talking to the cardiologist, he said, hey, we could be in a holding pattern for years before you have surgery and you can be back to normal. So I'm kind of accepting the fact mentally that I'm just not going to be able to lift heavy weight, but you know, I don't really have much experience to know, Hey, outside of just doing your basic bilateral training now, how do I

move forward with our daily recommended, you know, exercise regiment? And I figured you guys are the best ones to talk to to see what advice I could get to kind of move forward with that. Yeah, no. So you're obviously a young man. So do they know what the cause was? Was this genetic? Genetic, from what they understand so far. Okay. So the reason why they're limiting heavy lifting is because the internal pressure on the heart, the cardiovascular system, the aortic parts of the heart, when you're straining, if you have an area

where there's an aneurysm, it could cause more pressure and it could potentially cause a rupture, which is why they're advising you that way. And I'm assuming you're being monitored for a while on a regular basis? Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm going through all the tests right now. I've actually meet with a cardiothoracic surgeon next week and he's, he's the one that's going to kind of make the call, but the cardiologist kind of

already told me, Hey, based on what I'm seeing based on, you know, every, all the other markers and indicators that you're probably going to be in a holding pattern, we're not going to immediately require surgery. So I'm assuming that I'm going to hear more of that when I talk next week to him. Yeah. So when you do exercise, any type of movement, especially even strength trainer, especially strength training. There's, I can definitely lift in a relaxed way.

And then there's a way I can lift where I bear down, increase, you know, core stability through, you know, driving real hard, that's what you want to avoid. You want to avoid those avoid those high temporary increases in blood pressure. So I would do slow, controlled. Tempo stuff. Breathing through the movement type of exercises. I would do, and then all the other types of workouts

that fall under that, things like yoga, cardiovascular activity, but your strength training's gonna have to be very limited. Low, moderate intensity, and do not hold your breath at all through any of the movement. You're gonna be breathing throughout the movement. In fact, one thing you could do is reverse the order of breathing that we typically recommend, which helps control it.

So typically, you breathe out on the positive and you breathe in on the negative. So for example if I'm doing a squat I would breathe in as I lower then I breathe out as I come up right? Reverse that. Now I would never tell somebody to reverse that unless I was trying to get them to really be relaxed. So now imagine on the way up trying to breathe in on a squat. Feels weird but that's gonna make you yeah it's going to make it. Yeah. It's gonna make you really lower the blood pressure and the way that you're, you're exerting yourself.

So that's what it's going to have to look like until you're cleared. Uh, but I would not like reduce activity and stuff. It's just really about the intensity. Tom, how long have you been lifting for already? Oh, uh, probably I'll say not seriously since maybe 2016, 2017. And then, uh, once I found you guys right after the pandemic, I'll say not seriously since maybe 2016, 2017. And then once I found you guys right after the pandemic, I think I immediately jumped on MAPS Anabolic and I've pretty much been cycling

through your programs ever since. So I would say seriously, maybe a good solid three years. Well, so the good news is that you've got yourself a solid foundation and by reducing the intensity, like by pulling off on how heavy you're going, slowing the tempo down, just being very focused on your nutrition with just good movement without being strenuous like with the heavy lifting. You'll maintain a lot. You're going to maintain a lot, bro. You will. You really will. Especially if you keep the diet in check

and you just reduce the intensity of the lifting, like just send that signal to lift or that you're lifting weights with paired with good nutrition. You'd actually be, you're going to be surprised how much you can actually make, especially a guy with your experience. You should be able to hold on to quite a bit. Okay, cool. Thank you. And, and yeah, Sal, thank you very much. I'm 42, but I have, glad I still look like a guy. So I guess I'm fairly young still. Well, you're very young for something like this to happen.

It's typically genetic. Yeah, when it happens at your age. Well, especially a healthy guy. But really, look, you've been lifting for a little while, so I think you know what I'm talking about. There's a way you can lift where you're gonna generate that internal force and intensity. Think of a heavy single or a heavy double.

Versus imagine lifting weights like you're doing yoga. Okay, so, yeah, I'm breathing in as I come up, breathing out as I go down, I'm just feeling, just fluid through the movement and I'm keeping my intensity low. And that full range of motion type activity will definitely maintain a lot of what you built. Sure, and then up.

There's nothing more with switching your focus either. If like, uh, body weight training, like at this point, different modality, a different modality, get like suspension trainer, get into it. Uh, I think you can really control a lot of the intensity more effectively that way as well. Um, and to like, I think, you know, in terms of blood pressure and drop and all that kind of stuff, the more you're standing up and like having controlled, I think would help a lot. But yeah, the tendency when you're lifting weights and especially when you're loaded with a barbell, we could get back into

old patterns and just start getting into the rhythm of it and not be conscious of the fact that we're gritting our teeth and we're kind of grinding our way through the exercise. So to kind of avoid, I don't know, until we really get some good answers and maybe go a little more unilateral even would probably be beneficial in as far as what I would look at. That's a really good point, Tom. And what that looks like you know better than anybody, which is the point that Justin's making, is choosing a program right now. So maybe go through one of our MAPS programs that is really different than how you would normally train. And that in itself, it would be like

progressively overloading the body because it's gonna be a new stimulus. So it doesn't require- The muscle will still benefit. Right, it doesn't require you pushing as hard. It's a new type of a movement. It's a new challenge for your body. And so that in itself

should send a good, you know, muscle building signal with reduced intensity. So yeah, take a look at what we already have. Or I don't know if you know any off the top of your head, we could send it to you. A program that is like one that you probably wouldn't normally do or just out of your type of way of training. So I'm one of those super user type of guys. I think I've got every one of your programs saved like one or two. I'm in the four of it, everything. So yeah. So right now I'm going through a map symmetry. I'm actually just started phase four this week.

I was thinking about switching to suspension right after this, but I kind of wanted to see what you guys thought. And, and really I was kind of just trying to understand, you know, can I ever really go back to like an anabolic or a program like aesthetic, or in really not try to push the weight, but can I at least try to go through those programs at like maybe half the intensity?

Is there anything wrong with doing that? No, but I'm not gonna, I'm gonna say this, I'm not gonna approve anything that your doctor doesn't approve. Obviously, yeah, I don't want you guys to sign up on anything, obviously outside of medical. How you do the exercise is everything. Not the exercise. There's a way you can do it, for sure.

But I do like your suspension trainer idea though, just because it sounds like you typically would like to do anabolic anesthetic, which tends to be the more type of training, where if you haven't really done a full suspension trainer program in a long time, that's probably a good choice to do that for now. Yeah, that's great. I like I every so often I'll work them in like on an off day or something.

I've got the TRX traps here at home, but you know, I just I haven't like fully committed to a whole program even though I have the suspension program. So I was really excited to try to you know, give that a go after this. So it makes sense and I do hot yoga on my off days and I, you know, give that a go after this. So it makes sense. And I do hot yoga on my off days and I got, you know, one other question for this, I guess, like with this condition, I think they, they told me that there's really no restrictions with the, you know, sauna or cold plunge or anything like that. I've got both at the house and I usually do that working that and with hot yoga. So I guess any, any, anything with that, that you guys would, would advise for

or against, does that seem like something that I should continue with? Probably a good question to ask the cardiologist. I mean, it's blood pressure is what you want to avoid. You want to avoid sharp rises in blood pressure. So yeah, and those are both, I mean, those are good for your cardiovascular system generally. If they gave you clearance to do them, then you're clear.

But I would avoid anything that rises, so including anger, stress, that kind of stuff. Anything that makes your blood pressure go up real fast and hard is what you want to avoid. Yeah, it's something like my resting heart rate was already like, I don't know, in the mid-60s or something like 65 and now they put me on blood pressure medication.

I think my heart rate was like 110 over 78 when I went in there, but they still put me on it. So now I've been waking up, my resting heart rates like been like one day I woke up, I was like 49, right? It's been a little 50s. So I'm really getting down there and it's, and I've noticed when I've, when I go and do walks or I'm doing any kind of exercise, I'm noticing just a way different pattern with my, you know, heart rate spiking and, you know, kind of controlled as well.

So it's just, it's just different than what I've been used to seeing. So I'm trying to get used to that as well. And trying to understand what that looks like. Cause when you get into a rhythm with working out and kind of know what your heart rate, you know, it's like, and you know, what you need to do to kind of, you know, pick it up or, you know, ramp down the intensity. So I'm still trying to adjust to that too. No, well, good luck.

I hope, I hope that you don't have to be in this holding pattern for too long. Yeah, exactly. That's tough. That's brutal. Yeah, it's, it's, it's rough. I mean, yeah, it's, you know, going from working out every day to kind of worrying about every rep I do now, you know, it's just, it's just a, just

mental shift. So I know, but I appreciate it guys. Good news, Tom is that you've that you've been fit for a long time and you've been taking care of yourself. And so believe it or not, even with a significantly reduced volume, you're going to be surprised how much you can maintain. You really will.

You keep it. Yeah. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, the cardiologist killed me. I walk in there and he's like, no heavy lifting, no alcohol, no caffeine, no cigars. And I'm like, come on, man. What can I do? That's all I like no heavy lifting no alcohols. No caffeine. No cigars and I'm like come on man Yeah, he killed me with that one, but obviously the biggest one for me was the lifting now I was like me I can cut out all the other stuff. So well

Yeah, keep us posted Tom as you as you get more information as you're going through this process reach out Let us know how things are going. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, thank you Adam, I really appreciate it. All right, thank you guys. Thank you. Thanks, thanks, have a good one, have a nice day. See you guys, bye. Do you say he's got 31 programs? Yeah.

I didn't even know we had 31 programs. Well, products. Products. Yeah, it could be like mods, et cetera. I mean, that's pretty much all it is. Mods and KB stories. Yeah, he's always gonna do something for him. Yeah, you know, it's a good thing he found that,

because stuff like that, genetic issues like that, that's the kind where you'd suddenly die. Did he say how, I totally missed what he, I think he had some symptoms that led him to getting it looked at, but if you don't find that, that's the kind of thing that you're, that's where you hear the stories where someone's just doing something and then. Just drops.

Yeah, out of nowhere. Wow. And it's the increase in blood pressure that you gotta be very careful for. So, I mean, they're on it, they're watching it, so the odds are he's gonna do very well, and he'll do okay. Yeah, no, it's a hard one to advise.

Do they end up giving you something that they can actually monitor real time, that he wears, or anything that, like, what is he? He's on a beta blocker, he's on blood pressure medication. Yeah, sounds like he's monitoring his heart rate. Yeah, and then they're just trying to keep everything real low, and then he? He's on a beta blocker. He's on blood pressure medication. Yeah, and then they're gonna, they're just trying to keep everything real low.

And then he goes in and gets examined. But I don't think there's anything that can measure him in real time. I don't think a Holter doesn't do that. That just looks at your heart. Yeah, yeah. All right, so. Our next caller is Allison from Utah.

Hi Allison, how can we help you? How you doing? Hi, oh my gosh, This is so wild. Um, I'll do what everybody does and just say thank you so much. I hope you guys know how much of an impact you make on people's lives. You certainly made a tremendous impact on mine. So I'll get right into my question. I'm 26 years old. I'm five, 10, and 155 pounds. I've been lifting consistently for about four years and I'd classify myself as

an intermediate lifter. Last year I followed maps aesthetic and was super happy with the results and since then I've become a certified personal trainer and yoga instructor. Over the past eight months I've been teaching hot yoga and training clients and I've had to dramatically scale back my lifting due to fatigue. I sometimes teach two to three hot yoga classes a day while also personal training, which is pretty physically exhausting. And on three class days, I usually need a rest day afterwards. I've noticed that my body's becoming softer. I can tell that I've lost muscle and I've gained fat. Even my face looks like I've put on body fat and my diet hasn't dramatically changed other than the fact that I tend to eat more on days that I teach more hot yoga classes. Since writing my email, I have decided to begin preparing for a bikini competition

with a target show day in October. So my question now is how do I balance increased training demands with a job that requires me to be extremely active? Is it a matter of just assuming I'm going to be dead for the next five months? Or is there a way to have it all? I find that on days that I work and train, I come home more like a walking carcass than a human being. It sounds like you are starting to be told by your body that you are doing too much and you decided to add more to that with the bikini show. So a typical week is what? Eight to 10 hot yoga classes typical week, so Alison, a typical week is what, uh, eight to 10 hot yoga classes a week, right?

Depending on how much I sub, I'm looking to scale it back because I can tell it's having negative effects, just being in a hot room that much. Um, and I anticipate as my calories come down, I'm going to have no option other than scale it back. But there's not really a way to scale back the personal training hours I've taken on, and I'm also a private music instructor, so I'm working consistently.

Now, good for you. Look, don't do the bikini competition, please. Now, look, it's up to you. You make your own decision, but I think it's a terrible idea to- Fred, this time in your life. Terrible idea. You are going to, and I'll say this now, so if you don't listen, you can remember and be like, damn it, a terrible idea to. Fred, this time in your life. Terrible idea. You are going to, and I'll say this now

so if you don't listen you can remember and be like damn it, I didn't listen. It's timestamp. You will destroy your hormones and you will put yourself in a really, really bad place metabolically if you proceed to compete in a bikini competition with the whole pre-contest and the whole deal.

I don't think it's a good idea with what you're doing right now. Sounds like you're building your career. And I love that you're in fitness. You got a great attitude. I think your focus should be on your career, and I think your focus should be on being healthy. With that much hot yoga, one day a week of strength training is plenty. One. One full body workout a day, plus your hot yoga, and eating a good diet, and your body will, you will see your body respond again by doing that.

I think any more, and it's just too much, there's so much stress on the body. I know what hot yoga's like, that's intense. And you're not just in the room, you're also doing the class with them half the time, right? You're not just telling them what to do, but you actually have to, yeah. I, one day a week, full body strength training,

good sleep, high protein diet. I would supplement with electrolytes, a lot. You should be adding. At least two element T. More than that, you should be adding element T to your water every time you drink. You're like a five, six grams of sodium a day, at least because, I mean, you sweat a lot in those classes.

And again, once a week, go in, lift weights, do compound lifts, don't spend more than an hour lifting. That's it, and watch what happens. You'll start to respond to it. What's happening right now is your body, there's so much that's going on that your body's trying to reduce its caloric output by pairing muscle down, and it's trying to store energy.

It's trying to conserve energy, and it's trying to store body fat because you're in a high-stressed state. And adding a very stressful competition is not going to serve you. It's only going to make this situation even worse. So I agree with Sal and I agree too with the advice that it sounds like this is like you're going in this direction career-wise. So I mean double down down on the educational stuff. Get a certification or learn and grow in the space. And because it sounds like you kind of have a type A

personality where you have goals and you want to have things to focus on. Mine would be go the education focus. Do that. Learn a new modality or pick up a new cert. I don't know if you've gone through our course yet or not. I think that would be extremely valuable for what you're doing. Do something like that and put your focus there. The only different advice that I had was I was leaning towards

MAPS 15. I think that would be totally fine. Oh, that would be good too. So either the one day a week or if you're the type of person where you enjoy the part of going to the gym and kind of detaching for the rest of your day, then I think you'll have value in the, you know, less volume, but done over a period of five or six days. Actually, I think MAPS 15 would be better. Yeah, MAPS 15 would, I think you'll have value in the, you know, less volume but done over a period of five or six days. Actually, I think Maths 15 would be better. Yeah, Maths 15 would, I think is- Work better for your personality too.

Where I was leaning, so, but not what Sal said, I think is also fine too. So either one of those, do you have Maths 15? I do not. Okay, so I'll have Doug send that to you. So there's a barbell version, do that one. You'll love it. You do the advanced Maths 15.

You'll get stronger. Why do you wanna maps. You'll get stronger. Yeah. Why do you want to do bikini contest? Like what is the the motivation behind it? Man, i've been interested and passionate about the sport ever since I discovered it. Honestly, I graduated college in may of 2020. Founder guys's podcast and immediately threw myself into the gym because I was living at home. Like literally like my fitness pursuits, I think are what saved me from just going absolutely bonkers during the pandemic. I honestly, this is going to sound super cheese. Like I watched pumping iron. I read totally call.

That's awesome. Inspires me so much. And it's not even so much that I want to get to a certain place. Aesthetically, I just think the sport is so fantastic and I just, I wanna be a part of it so bad. I think that's the right attitude to approach it, but I just think it's a bad timing in your life. I think just what you got going on right now,

that's a lot. People underestimate, and look, here's the deal. You're young, you're fit, you sound like you have good genetics. I'm assuming you played sports growing up. So you're getting away with a lot, but people underestimate the stress of prep and what it does to the body.

And more often than not, young women call in or we talk to young women and it's like, man, it destroyed my body and it took me a year to recover from. Right now with doing what you're doing, like if you were training four or five clients a day, personal training, then I'd be like, okay, I think we might be able to do it,

but hot yoga is intense, it's stressful, it's the most intense form of yoga, and you're in that eight to 10 hours a day. A week. A week, excuse me, a week, a week, sorry, A week. Not a day. A week. That's a lot. That would be crazy. No, not a day. That would be really crazy. You'd really die. Eight to ten hours a week. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. So. And, and to add to that, to try and start a prep while you're still trying to solve the current issue would be just a terrible idea. So maybe

when you scale back on some of. So maybe when you scale back on some of the yoga, when you scale back on the training volume and you get to a very healthy place, like this is always like when someone would try and hire me to get them ready for a bikini show, a lot of times they would approach me go, oh Adam, I had this show in November, can you get me ready for it? And I'm like, that's not how I do this. Like let me get your body in a healthy place. When we agree that your metabolism is in a good place, your sleep is in a good place, we're in a good place to do a show, then we decide we pick a show. We don't pick a show and then I get you ready for a show because you and I may have to fix our metabolism and it may take, you know,

the next four to five months to do that. So my suggestion would be to really hone in on what we're talking about right now, which is getting you feeling healthier and your body responding and you feeling great, uh, based off the balance of reducing back the yoga and reducing the volume train. And then maybe we go, okay, Hey, I'm in a really good place. I'm eating a good amount of calories. My body feels healthy. It doesn't feel inflamed. I don't feel like I'm a walking dead person. Maybe we talk about how we could potentially get ready for a show.

We definitely wouldn't want to throw that on right now while we're still trying to figure out that balance because that's just going to throw it that much more out of whack. And here's how you'll know, by the way, you'll start Maps 15 and you'll start getting stronger and your body's going to start responding the way that it used to and you'll start to feel the,

that's how you know, like okay, and you'll know right away, like you'll start the program within two weeks, you'll be like okay, this was that. Don't do anything else by the way, don't add anything to it. Yeah, that's gonna be the hardest part is, and oh well I don't feel like I'm done, and then you keep going, no you gotta stop.

Now let me ask you one more question, why are you teaching so many classes, is it because you're trying to just make more money, build your business? I just love it. I love to do it. My husband and I relocated out to Utah and we both kind of had a chance to turn over a new leaf career wise.

And it was always something that I was really passionate about. So I kind of went at it full force, like I do most things and I ended up with a ginormous class load. Alison, I would love, I would love to, are you in our course? Are you doing the Mind Pump trainer course? I have not yet. Okay, I would- Get in there, Allison. I would love to see you in that,

someone with your attitude, okay, because you got a great attitude, I would hire you if I had a jam, just from talking to you. If you had the right training, which we have in the course, and when we teach people in the course, we don't teach biomechanics and exercise program, all that stuff. What we teach you is how to build a business.

Someone like you following our course, the amount of money you'll take home doing what you love, will go through the roof. And then you'll be able to do less of it and do more of the stuff you wanna do on your own. So it's extremely valuable for someone just like you, because a lot of trainers get stuck in the cycle of just doing so much versus having the quality

and this is exactly what I wanna do and I'm making great money doing it. That's what we teach you to do in that course. So we'll send you the link to the course, take a look at it, but someone like you, like you would crush, you would crush if you followed some of our advice. Doug's also gonna send you the Maps 15 program too.

So you got that all taken care of. Awesome, cool, I appreciate it, thank you guys so much. Alright, Alison, hope to see you in there. Yep, see you later. Bye. She definitely got the personality. I'm sure, she's got a lot of potential. And I love her attitude, right?

If she really applied it in the right, oh God. You know, it's like trainers, a majority of them don't do very well financially, but some of them do really well financially. She has the personality, she's got the look, she likes yoga and bodybuilding, what a great range. You know, talk about a great range of like stuff that you could talk to and help your clients with. And I and I do, I like her, like I do like hearing that from a person who's considering doing bikini.

I feel like that's the right mindset. I just think it's bad timing for her. Terrible. So I would love to take someone like her to a show, but it's like, I would tell her that if she was someone who was trying to hire me back in the day, I'd be like, no, there's no way I'm allowing you to sign up for a show right now till we get all this figured out first Otherwise, it's throwing gasoline on the fire. Yeah, just gas on the fire. She'll hammer herself for sure Are you're already telling me you feel you that way and then that's really one prep. Yeah, definitely So I hope she takes the advice. I also hope we see her in the trainer course. I think she'd be a great addition

Our next caller is Caleb from Oregon. What's up, Caleb? How can I help you? Hey, guys. How's it going? Good, man. How you doing? Good. Doing good. Real quick, Adam, did your buddy sell that Wimby card you were talking about a few weeks ago?

It's up right now. It's on the it's on. He actually has it listed in an auction site right now. And it's the bidding has started at five thousand. So I don't know where it's at right now. It's a good question. Yeah. Why you want to buy it? Well, I'm a scalper, so I buy and sell trade cards. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. So,

oh, you would know that it's on, it's on some famous site. I don't even know. I'm actually, I don't, I don't, you're probably way more savvy about it than I am. So he's, but he's got, he's got it up there. I don't know how long an auction normally lasts in the baseball card world, but he's, or basketball card world, but he's got it up there for five grand and see where it goes. This was the easiest question. Well, I saw Warren recently sold for like,

it was like a hundred K. So I mean, there's some good money. He has the most rare. It's not only a Beckett 10, which is really hard to get. You probably know this. And then it's also a perfect centered. So it's a 10 out's, it's not only a Beckett 10, which is really hard to get, you probably know this, and then it's also a perfect centered. So it's a 10 out of 10 and a 10. And the last one that sold for 10,000, that was a 9.5. And so he's assuming that he should be able to get that or more because his is a

perfect 10 all the way around. And they just don't. And he just won rookie of the year. So probably, probably I guess, probably 15 to 20 K. That's what I would assume. That's what he hopes, man. I hope so. Yeah. Anyways, uh, first, you know, no, thanks guys. You guys are awesome.

I'm one of those guys that falls for everything. Like, uh, I bought the Gary Brekka $250 water bottle. I always tell my wife, I'm one knock away from being a Jehovah's witness. At least you know yourself. But so I was offensively listening to you guys. I bought Prime and I've had back pain for like the last two years and couldn't squat 135 without pain and ran prime with anabolic. And then finally just got back to a 315 squat. Yeah. Which I was always the guy.

So I have a four or five bench and squatting 135 was always a little embarrassing in the gym, but whatever. But my question is, you know, I hear so many different things like Joe Rogan says, you know, not to worry, you know, about food you eat with cholesterol and Gary breakfast, that's the same thing. Lay Norton says you're an idiot if you listen to anybody else and he's way stronger and all that fun stuff.

And so does like my cholesterol is pretty, it's always high. And does, I mean, does it matter? Like should I even, if I feel fine, should I worry about it? Total cholesterol is one thing to look at but then you have the ratio of HDL to LDL then you have cholesterol to triglycerides So you have to look at there's a there's a more complete picture and also how high like like sometimes just high cholesterol could be so High that it becomes an issue as well. So it depends. And it also doesn't-

I can give you all my numbers real quick. I mean, we could try doing some of the math here, but we're not doctors. And so I wanna be very careful with this because, yeah, because I don't wanna advise you on blood lipids and tests like that. Because it's not my expertise, I don't want to be

off and send you in the wrong direction but I will say you can look up ratios and look at what ideal numbers look like and work with that and the other part of the question is because you did put up here if you should eat red meat and eggs there's a small percentage of the population where reducing their saturated fat intake eating less less red meat, cholesterol, makes a big difference, and for most people doesn't. But for some people it does. You may be in one of those categories

where you have a polymorphism, where you're better off eating things like chicken, fish, olive oil, Mediterranean style diet. Do you have anything else that's at a range? Like what did your total cholesterol measure? 249 my last test. Okay. What are you range?

So that's up there. What are you at normally? Well, they say to be below 200. Mine's always really low though. Oh, I think you're really high. No, my cholesterol is always like, there's nothing I could do to make my cholesterol grow up. So it's way where.

I think you're the opposite. And then there's that, right? There's people like me where I could literally eat. Dietary cholesterol isn't even a thing. No, I could eat 12 eggs. I eat red meat all day long. My total cholesterol doesn't go anywhere. But okay, so is anything else at a range?

Let me ask you that. Has your doctor said, they've said your cholesterol's high because they don't want you above 200 or definitely not above 220. What about, is anything else that's at a range in your anything else that your doctor said hey we got to look at this well I got on TRT and so just from when I first got on it just like my test or testosterone was a lot higher so that was in the high range that's expected but yeah but other than

that no everything's been pretty, pretty fine. Everything's in range, including your HDL and LDL. Oh, sorry. I thought you just meant all that. No, HDL is 39, which is supposed to be at like a 40, I believe. Yeah. And so it's kind of right there. LDL is high. Try glycerides is not, not, and I guess it's good and then the ratio is high and the non HDL cholesterol side too. Yeah so you're so yeah you definitely need to change your diet yeah because you just gave me a bunch of red flags and so I would definitely look at increasing omega-3 fatty acids reducing your omega-6s reducing reducing your saturated fat intake.

I would eat more olive oil. I would reduce my refined carbohydrates. You're gonna be in that kind of Mediterranean style diet for, and you're probably gonna respond well with some of the numbers that you're giving me. Now if it was just high cholesterol, cholesterol is a bit high, but if it was high and HDL was also great, LDL was great, you know, the ratio was great, then it's less of an issue, typically. Again, I'm not a doctor, so take everything I'm saying

with a grain of salt, but HDL's low, LDL's high, total cholesterol's high, then I would manipulate my diet if I were you. Okay, so for example, usually my breakfast, I like one of those pound packages of beef with five eggs I'd switch the beef to like turkey you think yeah or fish like ground chicken you would do really well with fish do you like fish I saw you make a face I mean I don't care like I eat anything but yeah so it doesn't matter you get the benefit of the Megas that's I would that I would go grass.

That'd be you're taking the Omega grass fed beef when you eat it. Um, but I would minimize saturated fat intake overall. So dairy and beef I would reduce. Um, and I would increase, uh, intake of healthy, quote unquote, healthy fats, uh, avocados, olive oil, nuts and seeds, kind of stuff you hear that they tell everybody, but really it applies to someone. It would apply more to someone like you. And really, you know, that this is, is the thing is when you adjust a handful of

those things for, you know, the next couple of months and this, you come right into range and then you just fall into that small category of people that are negatively impacted like this. Are you, are you also just in a perpetual bulk? I don't really have a goal right now. So I just, I just really, I try not to eat like an asshole and just hit, you know, like 220 grams of protein a day. Yeah.

Cause what you'll find too is being in a deficit will probably improve everything. That's what I was thinking. I thought he was probably eating to be big most of the time. And if you just went on a fricking cut for a couple of weeks, probably improve everything. That's what I was thinking. I thought he was probably eating to be big most of the time. And if you just went on a fricking cut for a couple of weeks, I bet you that in itself would work. Reading your question, it says you mainly eat meat, eggs,

cheese with some fruit and some toast. So I would definitely. Yeah, the best food. Yeah, well, it's not bad, but for some people, it doesn't work well. Yeah. So like I said, I would go look at Mediterranean-style diet types of foods and grass-fed beef when you can, and fish,

wild-caught salmon. Context matters here, too, right? So to the point we're just making, there's also the chance that if you actually just ate these foods but went on a cut, you would see significant improvement. Oh, he's going to anyway. A cut will do that anyway, typically.

So you just, it's not, and that's why I wanna make clear here, we're not saying these foods are bad. And I think that's the problem with social media is I know that you have, and you brought this up at the beginning of this, right? You have these camps that are, this is bad, no, this is good.

It's like, it's kinda neither of that right now. It's like, in this context, you eating in a bulk and eating a lot of extra calories to get bigger while eating a lot of those foods, your body tends to be negatively impacted. Not crazy, I don't think you're going to die over it, but negatively impacted on a cholesterol level. Simply, one, reducing some of those foods and changing them for things like fish or making sure you get omegas in the diet or going on a diet and actually cutting for about three or four weeks. I bet you both are going to show a positive.

When's your next test? Did you schedule another one soon? Uh, I was supposed to have one tomorrow, but I had to cancel it. My wife picked up overtime shift, but so I was going to probably get in either this week or next week. You know, so if you did the, I mean, you can even try this. Let me position it like this. I would try this, so I'm not telling you to do it, but I would start supplementing with high EPA fish oil

on a regular basis, and I would also start supplementing with something called red yeast rice extract. And then I'd retest in about 45 days just to see where my numbers were. Okay. Um, does this, does this episode post tonight or should I write all that down? You should write all that down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Equalife has all that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Equalife has that. Not the red yeast rice, but the so high EPA fish oil was like

thorn has that or a fish oil. I think it was like Thorne has that or what? EPA fish oil. And then red yeast rice extract is what I would do. I'm not telling you to do that, but that's what I would do. And then I would test myself again in about 40 days to see what those two supplements did. I would look to see what those would do to my numbers. Okay. And it was red yeast what?

Rice, like white rice. Rice, yeah. And you know, one little thing that I would do to add to that too is just seeing this now, getting these numbers back and I now become aware of this is I would just make a cautious effort to try and rotate. I, and this is how I got to this place of rotating my meats. Like Sal is somebody who can

eat red meat three times a day all day, does nothing. Like I've seen some negative impacts on my numbers when I eat like that all the time. I don't have to necessarily get rid of it. I just have to make a conscious effort to, you know, most of my meat that I eat at home, I eat from butcher box because it's grass-fed. That makes a difference. I try and make sure that if I was eating red meat every morning for breakfast, that I rotate fish or ground turkey or get rid of it for one of those days. And so, you know, I would also kind of train myself

to start to pay attention to that a little bit more and try and rotate. I think the combination with salsing and that, you may see a good enough difference. Two more supplements that I would look into would be psyllium husk with my meals, it's fiber. And then niacin would be the other one that I would look into would be psyllium husk with my meals. It's fiber and And then niacin would be the other one that I would look into but the first two What I would I would I would put I would do because those would have the biggest impact I

Would think the doctors would try my wife a lot more supplements. Yeah Doctors would not tell you yeah those things that the supplements. Nope perfect. Alright man. Alright, thanks guys. I appreciate it. You got a follow up please if you do anything. If you do anything at all, I want to see how things are impacted, please. I'll do it. I'll do it all to a T. I promise you that. Alright,

we'll circle back with this thing. Thank you. I will do. Thanks guys. You don't think Cabral or those guys would tell him that after seeing those numbers. Oh yeah, We'll circle back with this thing. Thank you. I will do it. Thanks guys. You don't think Cabral, one of those guys would tell him that after seeing those numbers? Oh yeah, sorry. I thought you were talking about like one of our doctors. Oh yeah.

So red yeast rice is a natural statin. Fucking regular general practitioner. I don't count that. Red yeast rice is a natural statin. And does it equalize that? I thought I heard Cabral talk about that one last time. Maybe, but I don't know. Yeah, I thought we talked about it.

I thought we talked about it with him. We'll find out. I know Doug's used it. I've used it, it works. It works, actually. It's a statin, it's a natural statin. Fish oil, yeah. And the high EPA will help with your-

Could've sworn Cabral talked about it. Yeah, red yeast rice is what they call it. Send it, send it. Does Cabral have it? Yeah, he does. I knew he had it. Send it, send it. Does Cabral have it? Yeah, he does. I knew he had it. Send it over. And then the high EPA fish oil is good for HDL ratio.

Cilium lowers cholesterol on a regular basis. When you take that with your meals, it's fiber. And niacin, niacin is an old school, but a lot of people don't take niacin because it makes you turn into a lobster for a second. But niacin, you know what they used to do back in the day to get flashers before we invented statins on it, shit?

You would take high dose niacin and go in a sauna. And people would see their numbers go, whew, it's a sauna. Oh, really? Yeah. But I couldn't imagine, bro, because I take niacin and I feel like I'm on fire going to sauna.

Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare. I know we are trying to avoid the, you know, we're not doctors, we shouldn't be telling you this stuff. But I also think that this is just, like the point of this, right? Context matters, it's why there's so much crap on the internet of really smart people

that make a really strong case on both sides. Like, man, they're both really smart people. Because there is some truth to it. He could be somebody who responds this way, dietary, where other people, dietary cholesterol like you, does nothing. Or saturated fat, no. Doesn't matter, right?

But it's like so much fat that. And then people always tend to go from one extreme to the other, too. It doesn't necessarily mean he's got to get rid of all the red meat and eggs. It could simply mean adding those supplements that you said could make a difference. Lower the volume, get seen in deficit.

Or going on a cut could make a difference. Or simply rotating your food. I'm a big fan of rotating food. I just think that it's ideal for us to try and make a habit of that, of like, if you eat the same goddamn thing every single day, probably a good idea to rotate different meats. Different sources.

Especially with the seasons too, so you get those, yeah, like micronutrients, macronutrients. Yeah, rotate up to your protein sources. I think that's a really, really good basic advice and those things may actually do enough to move the numbers. Doug, how low, how much did your number, were your numbers impacted by red yeast rice? Oh, probably good 50, 50 points. Yep, makes a big fucking difference.

Huge. Huge. Our next caller is Karen from Canada. Hi, Karen. How can we help you? Hello, hello. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hi. How can we help you? Hello, hello. Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Hi. Hi. I've been listening to you guys for probably six years now. And I know that you guys have said over and over that you shouldn't do cardio for size or weight loss. But when you talk about prep for bodybuilding shows, and I follow and I watch Mark Bell run and he's been running daily and he's slimmed down to his leanness through cardio. I'm slightly confused. So I have a good base of muscle and I want to show that muscle and I've run in the past a fair amount as well as strength trained and I was lean and my muscles popped. Now I don't care what I weigh but I want to see my muscles and the reason why I can't see them is that I've had many injuries in the

past and I'm still building back from those injuries but I still want to reveal my muscles. So can you explain why when I had the cardio and the strength training combo work before I was leaning strong? I also realized that I'm in a different decade and things aren't happening as quickly as they used to. You just answered your own question. So first off, there's nothing wrong with cardio, but to use it as a way to lose fat is not, it's just not effective.

And this is the data shows this. Our experiences as trainers and coaches show this. Mark Bell will tell you this himself. By the way, Mark Bell's lost a lot of muscle through this process on purpose. He's trying to. He's a bad example because he was an extreme athlete. He was one of the strongest powerlifters

in the world at one point. Also his hormone profile is nowhere near what a normal human's hormone profile was when he was competing. So I wouldn't use any of that. And bodybuilders are terrible people to look at for this kind of advice as well, because they're on such anti-catabolic hormones that they get away with the things that they're doing. So there's two things you could do.

You could either try to burn more calories or you could try to consume less calories. The problem with trying to burn more calories is your body adapts to extra activity. This is well documented in studies. If this wasn't the case, we wouldn't be here today because hunter gatherers would not survive hunting and gathering. Their bodies would burn 7,000 calories a day and they just wouldn't make it. You could also try to speed up your metabolism. That's another approach.

I think that's a better approach. Strength training tends to do that. But if you wanna get leaner, it does boil down to how much muscle you can keep and the calorie deficit. Those are the two things that you wanna try to consider. And by the way, you look lean. You know what your body fat percentage is at?

I don't. Just random calculators. It says close to 30%, but that's all I have. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. So for yourself, we'd have to look at the whole picture. Like what does your nutrition look like? What does your strength training routine look like?

And are there any hormone issues, which, which unlikely, um, and then, and then take it from there. Karen, do you track calories right now? Yep. Where you are consistently between 17 and 1900 and building metabolism. I've been doing strength training now for like nine years. Is the 1700 to 2000 considered a bulk cut or maintenance for you? I would probably say maintenance.

Cause the, when I do step on the scale, it seems to hold pretty steady. So it sounds like to me that what we, what we need to do is to reverse, reverse diet. We need to build your metabolism up. Um, part of why you probably feel like the cardio is the route to go is to reverse diet. We need to build your metabolism up. Part of why you probably feel like the cardio is the route to go is because you're already at a pretty low calorie intake and in order to cut, it sounds like 1,400 or 1,200 calories doesn't sound like a good idea or sustainable, which I don't think it is either. And so in order for you to lean out, how do you possibly go from only eating 1700 calories? Oh, okay, well,

I'll just create more activity and burn more. But unfortunately, that's a losing strategy. And so, that's the point of us trying to always communicate this, that you would be far better off going on a reverse diet for the next two to three, maybe four months, trying to build your metabolism up to where you need 25 to 2700 calories a day just to maintain. That doesn't make you lose, that doesn't make you build, doesn't make you gain, it makes you maintain at 25 to 2700. Now you are in a place where we can cut your calories back down to 2000 and we've created a 500 calorie deficit without doing any cardio or anything else and then the body will just pair down fat. And the challenge with adding cardio to that

is you're already catabolic because you're in a caloric deficit. And then pushing the body where you are running like that is gonna make the body pare down muscle because it's expensive tissue and you're not feeding it what's necessary to maintain it on the body. And this is what, and to Sal's point about the Mark Bells and competitors as bad examples is the only reason why

they can somewhat get away with it. And I'd make the case that they'd still be better off doing it the other way is because they're taking so much anabolic steroids that it hangs on to muscle better. But I still this was one of the biggest things I saw in the competing space was all my peers that even though they were hopped up on these steroids and they were doing all this cardio. I thought it was crazy. And you wouldn't see me do any sort of cardio till maybe the last week.

And that was only to fine tune that last little bit. Right before the body adapts to it. Right? Yeah, that's it. Just the final up. And to that point I could get all the way down to 6% body fat without ever once getting on a treadmill. Now, Karen, like there's health benefits to doing activity, to doing cardio and all that stuff, so there's nothing wrong with it from that perspective. But if you're just trying to get more movement,

walking tends to be best paired with strength training from a fat loss perspective. But if you want endurance, if you want stamina, cardio's amazing for that. It's a great way to build endurance and stamina. Again, there's nothing wrong with it. Now, by the way, just because you've been strength training for nine years does not mean you've been building metabolism.

And the fact that you're eating 1,700, let me ask you this. How many days a week do you work out? Three days every week. So, and then are you doing any activity on the other days? Yeah, I will walk the dogs probably five kilometers, at least four of the days, and then three kilometers every other day. Like yesterday I had 20,000 steps

because we did a 8K hike. So the walking, I'm up there with the walking. Okay, so you're doing a lot of walking. That's a lot of moving. A lot of moving. And strength training for only eating 7,000, you should be- That's exactly where I was going. You're not building your metabolism.

I think you're not feeding or fueling muscle. I would guess that the strength that you possess now has probably been stagnant for a long time during that period of time. So really, if you want to see the metabolism boost, you got to get stronger. You have to see that metabolism go up and that means you're going to have to feed yourself a little bit more in order to make that happen. Are you following one of the mass programs right now? What are you doing right now, Karen? So I have in the past and because I think I'm on the hyper flexible spectrum of joints, I am always going through injuries. So I would start a program and then I would hurt myself, whether it be on the

strength training or just because I'm draining so much to keep my joints in position that I'll get a tendonitis or something. So I've, it hasn't been consistent, like the set number of weeks that you guys say to do a program. So I do have a personal trainer now who will tweak as I need for my injuries. Karen, would you say repeated injuries, is it the same area or are you just getting injured in different spots? No, it's always different. I always say I'm funding my physio's yacht. So. Oh wow. All right, Karen, listen, you're overtrained and underfed. That's a classic sign of doing too much

and not eating enough, are just kind of repeated injuries where you just keep kind of like, I get on a roll, I feel like I'm doing good, and oh man, this starts to hurt. And then I do it again, and then this starts to hurt. So you're overtrained and underfed. So I would have you, I would have you reduce the intensity. I don't know how you work out, but I would reduce the intensity. Very, very slow tempo.

And then I would feed yourself a little more. There's a few ways you can guarantee that you'll get repeated injuries. One of them is to over train. The other one is to under feed yourself. And the last one is to get poor sleep. Like those three are guaranteed ways to have repeated injuries. I would love to have your trainer run you through symmetry. I just, okay, so this is what I want Doug to give you. I want Doug to give you map symmetry and I want him to give you our reverse diet guide. Yeah. And I want you to give it to your trainer if you need to and let him take you through or her take you through that. Take you through symmetry and take you through a reverse diet and that should be the focus.

No cardio. You can walk, but you're doing plenty of that even. I just want you to focus on and the symmetry because it's unilateral work hopefully will keep you from injuring yourself right. A lot of times people get injured doing bilateral stuff. Well it starts with isometrics too which I think would be super valuable in this instance because too to get you to hold these positions and create more stability around your joints is going to be very beneficial. Yeah. How many grants? I also wanted to thank Adam for easing up on the Karen blame and sharing some of that with the Linda, Susan's and Janet's. Susan. You know, I was, I was using, uh, I think Susan long before like Karen became a

thing. Right. So I think that's a, I'm still trained myself to do that. Karen's got destroyed over the pandemic. Karen, are you, um, are you, are you, you said you're tracking. So how many grams of protein do you consistently hit? Um, the minimum will be a hundred grams and up to 140. Okay. Good. So you're good. Yeah, so stay on that, that's good. Yeah, feed yourself more, train a little differently. I would reduce the intensity.

And then you should start, when you're getting multiple repeated injuries, it's one of those three things that I said or a combination of all, which is I'm under eating, over training and not getting enough sleep or a little of each, because that should not happen. Yeah, you're way too experienced and you've been doing this for too long to only be eating that many calories and not seeing the results.

You deserve to be seeing a lot more. And by the way, if- And I think when- Go ahead. I think when I had my injury and I had wrist surgery last year, I think because of that little activity I did, you just don't eat as much and maybe I didn't bump back as much as I should have. Yeah, I definitely want to see you fed.

By the way, if this advice that we're giving still doesn't work for you, then the next step is for me to have you do a full panel and check hormones and things like that because what we're telling you to increase calories, change up the program to something like symmetry, should do the trick. You should start to see yourself get stronger in the gym and hopefully you don't see anything happen really like on your waistline. I don't really care if the scale goes up a couple pounds because we could be building muscle, but we should fill your appetite increase and we should be able to get those calories up and not put on body fat,

then we know we're heading the right direction. And then if we're not and we're stalling for some reason and you're checking all the boxes, the next thing to really go deep dive on is like a full panel and actually see if there's anything going on hormonally. All right, that sounds perfect. Circle back with us, Karen.

I'd like to hear how things go. Please. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That sounds perfect. Circle back with this Karen. I'd like to hear how things go, please. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye bye. Um, I didn't want to ask her weight, but I'm assuming that she's just way underfed. She, I don't, I mean, unless she's a tiny petite four 11, 90 pound girl, it's way too low calories, especially that experience lifting that long. Listen, people need to understand this proper and appropriate strength training. This is general what I'm going to understand this. Proper and appropriate strength training, this is general what I'm gonna say,

but proper and appropriate strength training, 80% of people would do best with about two or three days a week of it. That's it. There's so much you can do in that, two or three days a week, that if it's applied appropriately, not only is it appropriate,

what I mean by that is more than that is too much for most people. You adapt then. It's not just recovering. It just is. Well, and you also have to keep in mind when you're that low a calorie, it becomes even more imperative. Oh, God. Yeah.

Like two or three times a week, fed is optimal. If you're not fed, okay, your low calorie, which 1700, like I said, unless she's a 411 90 pound girl, is really low calorie, especially considering, like I said, unless she's a 411 90 pound girl, is really low calorie, especially considering she calls that maintenance. No, with all the walking and the straight. Yeah, that much movement, 20,000 steps. You knew exactly where I was going too, because I was asking those questions, so like this, okay, plus repeated injuries, like you're doing too much. Yeah, yeah, she needs to eat more, build muscle, stay focused on that for a while. And a good goal, if you listen to this, Karen, is to, before we decide to cut,

you need to be 2,500, 2,700 calories. Especially with that much movement. 20,000 steps a day, three times a week training. At least in the low 2000s, at the lowest. At least, but I think 2,500 plus, you should be able to eat and not put on body fat. That's right. Look, if you love the show, we have a fat loss guide.

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