Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2359: What to Do When Progress has Stalled, How to Improve Grip Strength Quickly, Ways to Relieve Bloating & Skin Issues & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 15, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip:  The more advanced you become with strength training the better results you can get with light weight. (1:59) Explaining ‘overcoming isometrics’. (10:21) The pros/cons of the ‘gummy’ supplement revolution. (12:58) Cannabis and alcohol blunders. (16:02) The social media dilemma. (22:00) Learning to release and embrace the cold. (32:01) Can you trust your elected leaders? (37:15) Crazy facts with Sal. (39:41) Aurelius the comedian. (40:54) The DRASTIC evolution of Sal’s gut health. (43:48) The glitter conspiracy. (50:59) Shout out to the Salon M. (58:03) #ListenerLive question #1 – How can I be more intentional about MAPS Performance, while splitting the program (MAPS 15 style), so I can do a portion each day, all while not overdoing it? (1:00:07) #ListenerLive question #2 – I feel like I’m doing all the right things, but not progressing in the ways I feel I should. What am I missing? (1:15:49) #ListenerLive question #3 – I have unexplained bloating and skin issues due to concurrent anoxic brain injuries from a workplace accident. Can you offer some insight into what I could change in my diet or what I could do to try to find some answers and relief? (1:32:48) #ListenerLive question #4 – What do I do if I want to also improve my grip strength? (1:44:15) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order ** June Promotion: MAPS 15 Minutes | Bikini Bundle | Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off! ** Code JUNE50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1872: Eight Benefits Of Lifting With Light Weight Meet Ro's new prescription gummy for erectile dysfunction - Fast Company The Internet’s Final Frontier: Remote Amazon Tribes The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: How to Stay Emotionally Healthy and Spiritually Alive in the Chaos of the Modern World Your Smartphone Reduces Your Brainpower, Even If It's Just Sitting There Mind Pump #1527: The 3 Step Solution To The Obesity Epidemic Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Ask Me Anything Ice Bath Challenge | MIND PUMP Why Are So Many Mexican Election Candidates Getting Killed? Ex-Black Panther Party Leader Praises Donald Trump - MSN TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN! Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Hair Color/Extensions | Salon M Frisco Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Mind Pump #2287: Bodybuilding 101- How To Bulk And Cut Reverse Dieting: What Is It and Should YOU Try It?? | MIND PUMP MP Holistic Health Mind Pump #1895: Eight Hacks For An Insanely Strong Grip HANDGRIP DYNAMOMETER Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram Dr. Tyna Moore (@drtyna) Instagram   Salon M (@thesalonm) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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light. How are they so big? Well it's because they can activate more muscle fibers with light weight. In other words, they can use light weight and get the effects that it would take someone else to get from heavyweight. This is true. So keep at it with strength training. Eventually you'll be able to use lighter weight and get better results. This tip really hits home for you, huh? Why? Why? Because I use lightweight? Just your lightweight tendencies. Yeah, no, it's true. It's something too that I,

what's funny and Adam not being here to represent his advice to me. But this was one of those things that he used to take me through bodybuilder workouts and would pick weights for me and would just kind of tell me to hold it in certain positions and then squeeze and feel. And I'm like, what? That was my first exposure to not just seeking the heaviest thing and trying to just destroy myself at a workout. Yeah, this is, I mean, body, the more advanced you become, the more effective you are

at summoning muscle fibers, right? So when you're just getting started with strength training and you're lifting a weight, your body will recruit so many muscle fibers and the heavier the weight or the harder the exertion, the more muscle fibers you the heavier the weight or the heart of the exertion, the more muscle fibers you recruit. So heavy weight becomes something that's very effective way to build muscle and strength. But as you become more advanced, you can learn how to do this with lighter weight. This is why you see advanced lifters in the gym where you look at them and go, man, that guy's so big or they're so muscular, but they're using such lightweight. You'll hear hear a bodybuilder say things like, well, you got to, you know, I can

feel the muscle, I can target it or whatever. What's happening is they're able to activate the same amount of muscle fibers with lighter weight because they've learned how to do so through experience. Now this is important information because when you first get started with strength training, the best results you'll get will come from getting stronger. Period. End of story. Like for the first probably three years of training, the best results you'll get will come from getting stronger period of end of story. Like for the first probably three years of training, maybe longer for some people.

Like that should be your goal. Let's just get stronger. Let's do it in a smart way, right? Let's train with good technique, good form, good stability, but let's continue to get stronger. That's where you get the best world, best results, but you can't obviously keep getting stronger forever. If that were the case, you know, Justin and I be lifting thousands of pounds, right?

Easily. But that's not the case. Um, but what ends up happening is you can make lighter weight far more effective. Um, and a lot of it is the, you're just the connection that you have to the exercise and how you can essentially create the same level of tension with lighter weight, and this is a skill that takes time to develop. Yeah. And I would say too, it's very valuable as I got new clients

and I'm trying to teach the mechanics and really try to teach that slow, controlled stability and tempo. And to be able to also increase difficulty by adding certain isometric holds and positions and really connect that mind muscle connection there in terms of the recruitment process. So again, this is another area I think a lot of people overlook and kind of bypass really quickly because they want to get to the amount of weight that they're trying to always kind of increase the weight or get to the results and kind of just jump into like the really difficult

workouts where, you know, taking your time to learn that process of muscle recruitment and really connecting to muscles individually is super valuable. To give a good example of what I'm talking about, it's like when you first start strength training or after a long break, you'll notice when you do an exercise that you might even feel shaky. You remember that when you were a kid? You start lifting and you do the bench

and it'd be like, uh. It's almost like your muscles are laughing. And it's a little shaky. And then as you warm up or whatever, it starts to get smoother as you lift the weight. That's because your CNS is connecting, becoming more efficient, and essentially activating muscle fibers more effectively.

And again, as you become more experienced through years of training, you know, I could take a 135 pounds and do a row, and if I wanted to, I could make it really feel like 300 pounds, I really could. But I couldn't do that as a kid. The only way I could do that as a kid working out was try to go real slow or try to make the reps look a certain way, but now I can actually

just squeeze and do that. Another example is how a power lifter, with a lot of experience can prime everything they need to by simply warming up on the bench press. So you'll hear some powerlifters or strength athletes criticize priming, correctional exercise or priming. And they'll say, just do squats to warm up for squats or just do deadlifts to warm up for deadlifts.

The problem is for a lot of people is they're not able to properly prime and position themselves by doing that specific exercise. You have to pick other exercises that allow them to target the areas that they need to connect to, to eventually get to the deadlift, then do a couple sets of deadlifts. They haven't learned the right muscle recruitment sequence. That's right. Now you watch a powerlifter, watch a powerlifter who could bench press 500 pounds, watch a powerlifter who could bench press 500 pounds, watch them warm up with 135 pounds. And what you'll see is them priming their mid back, their lats, they're squeezing the bar,

they're tucking the elbows, they're driving with their, even though it's 135 pounds, they can lift 500 pounds. I mean, they could throw 135 through the roof if they wanted to, but what you'll see is they're priming their entire body. The average person can't do that. The average person doesn't know what that feels like. And so, uh, that they have to do is they have to do specific priming

exercise, but then over time you develop that skill. It's very similar to what I'm talking about with bodybuilders. Well, I mean, just as an example, like I, I always am impressed. Uh, when I see somebody dead lifting, they take that time to engage their lap. Yes. That is so rare. And it's such a, um, you know, when you look at that in terms of like, uh, form and, and mechanics and technique, like, you know, when you get all the pieces

stacked together and you take that time to adjust and get yourself, um, you know, like fired up and get all the right muscles ready to go. Like what a difference that makes in overall performance. Yeah. Now, another reason why this is valuable is at some point in your training, and again, this takes years, at some point in your training, adding 15 pounds to the bar, the risk to reward ratio is not favorable, right? So, you know, if you're out there and you're a guy and you're starting to squat, you know, to go, to go from a hundred pound squat to let's say a 300 pound squat, like that's

great. You're going to get phenomenal results. But after, for some people, 300 pounds for other people, maybe 400 pounds or higher, like going up 15 pounds. Now the risk is so high and the reward is so low in comparison. Like it makes no sense. Like I went through this recently, was I don't know how long it was, eight months ago when I hit a PR on deadlifts, 605 pounds is what I pulled off the floor. Now I thought to myself, I wonder if I could get up to 650,

but the rewards from that would be so minimal and the risk is just through the roof. Like if the bar moves the wrong way, you know, a half an inch, I'm gonna hurt myself and it could be a really bad injury. Yeah. Instead, what I could do is lighten the load and really focus on making the weight feel heavier. So now the risk is low, but the rewards are still very high. But when I first got started, it was far better off to go from 135 to 300 pounds. You know what I'm saying? So it's all

about that. In fact, that's how I'm training now. I train a lot this way where if you see me working out now, and I run into a lot of people at UFC, Jim, that's where I go at the moment. If you see me working out now, I'm more often than not taking weight off the bar. I'll start with a certain weight, I'll do a set, and then you'll see me take weight off, because I'll be like, I wonder if I can make this set

feel heavy, heavier or just as effective if I take 20 pounds off. And then I'm able to do it. And what's happening is I feel better. It's giving me better results, but I would have never, that would have never worked for me in my teens and twenties when I first started working out where the best thing to do was just to get stronger. Yeah. You know, or else I really liked this.

I believe it's the overcoming isometrics. Oh yeah. The thing is like to be able to stretch your capacity for muscle recruitment and to get the loudest signal possible. Like you can apply that to lightweight. You can apply that to even barely any weight, but you pushing against or pulling against an

immovable object. Yes. Uh, which totally translates to then going back to that kind of load demand. So, there's a lot of ways that you can generate that same kind of power and strength and force without all the risk and the damage. By the way, I mean, just on that topic, overcoming isometrics, so just to kind of break it down for a bit, no. That would be like me getting under a bar, like I'm going to do a squat and let's say

I position the bar so it's almost like I came out of the hole. So I'm not at the full bottom squat and kind of up a little bit, but it looks like I'm about, you know, I just started the rep and I'm sitting under the bar and the bar is let's say it's loaded with weight that I could never lift or it's it's pushing up against chains that are you know bolted to the floor and then I squat and I push into this bar that there's no way I can lift and so I just push as hard as I can maintaining good technique and good form that's what overcoming isometrics is studies show that that activates the most muscle fibers that type of a a rep will get, because you, because what happens is you're

trying to lift the weight, you're trying to lift the weight, it's not happening. So the body goes 90% muscle fibers. Give them more, give them more. 95, 98, 99. And then, you know, obviously you still don't move it. That's a great way, by the way, if you're an advanced lifter, if you want to, uh, get everything activated before you go into your lifts, do a couple of those, then go do your regular workout.

And it will, now I don't know about doing it every time you workout, but you know, God, I've messed with that, and it's weird how you feel with the sets afterwards, the traditional sets afterwards. It's like, what's happening? I feel like I just got- It's just like, boom, it's just that response is almost immediate. Yeah, because everything's turned on. Everything's ready to go. Yeah, pretty cool stuff? I feel like I just got. It's just like, boom, it's just that response is almost immediate.

Yeah, because everything's turned on. Everything's ready to go. Yeah, I love it for that. So anyway, for people watching and listening, Adam, of course, is still not here. Still has a family emergency. A bit of a scary one, but they're gonna be okay. So we wanna wish Adam and his family the best.

And when he comes back, he'll kind of break it down. And you know, Adam, he just, he can't hold anything back. He's super honest. He'll tell everybody exactly what's going on. Yep. But he'll be back. He'll be back soon. I saw him in fact this morning, brought him some food

and I saw him last night, gave him a big hug. So yeah, we love you, Adam. Love you, man. Hope you're doing well. Anyway, speaking of Adam, he really called it when he talked about gummy supplements and why it's so valuable. So we work with a partner Organifi, it's actually one of the partners we've worked with the longest.

They're a supplement company. We love the founder, love the company. That's why we've been working with them for so long. And they've come out with lines of supplements that come in gummy form. So they're Shilajit gummies. We love it. Happy drops.

Happy drops, gummies. And, you know, some of the criticism is like, well, why put it in drops? Why not put it in pills or whatever? And Adam totally called it. He goes, he goes, because people are going to be more consistent with a gummy because it tastes like candy. It's just, it's just the fact. They're going to take it more often.

And it's, it's, and you know, a good company will put efficacious dose. So, you know, you take Shilajit gummies, happy drops. It's got efficacious doses of the, of the compounds. So it's like taking a supplement, same thing. It's just come in gummy form, but man, did he hit the nail on the head. Oh yeah. If you, when you talk to people who are using gummy supplements, they're like, they don't miss their doses versus pills where everybody forgets or whatever. You know what's so funny about that and you know I make the mistake

of every now and then like going through the ads that they they promote and then reading the comments and you know you get your purists sort of warriors out there they're like oh my god well why does it need to be in this like uh sugary like packaged version of it. I saw one guy comment, just giving me five grams of sugar. Oh, five grams. If you're diet, if you can't add five grams of sugar to your diet, you're doing something wrong. Yeah, like we're supposed to eat sawdust? Yeah, but anyway, anyway, but it's, it's so,

I just saw an ad, Jackie, who, you know, works it's, it's so I just saw an ad, uh, Jackie, who, you know, works with us, sent us an ad. They are now making a erectile dysfunctional dysfunction prescription drugs in gummy form. Finally. Been waiting. Yeah. Just be eating.

Hey, what if you mess up? You forget it's not the prescription. You should just see a bag of them. Yeah. Yeah. Might have to put a little warning label on there. No, they put it in gummy form because they also see that their customers are more likely, I think because you don't need water too. Don't mix those with the fruit snacks.

No, not at all. So you can, so it's just because people take it, the more likely they take it. I bet you more prescription medications are gonna be in gummy form. Oh, for sure, Will. Yeah, that's interesting that they've actually done that for, so it's Viagra and it's like. Yeah, all the, it's like, yeah,

all the different PDE-5 inhibitors are coming at that point. I do think the concern is, though, is that they're tasty, right? They can be confused for candy. Just like cannabis in gummies. Oh yeah. They'd have those special containers. Yeah, they would have to do that.

Yeah, that's a good point. That's definitely a good point, Doug. You don't want scary prescriptions. Especially with children around. Well, obviously. Who else? I mean, of course, but even adults, you know. Yeah, just leave it out.

Get a little bit crazy. Yeah, dude, I had it. Oh my God, that reminds me. Years ago, this is back when cannabis was illegal, so this was at least, this has to be at least 15 years ago. I had a client, she was a CFO of this tech company, and she had to cancel her session. And I'm like, what's going on?

She never canceled, right? I'm like, what's going on? She goes, we have no idea. She goes, like 30 people have called 911 and we have ambulances here and fire trucks and people are freaking out. 30 people? Yeah, dude, so like, like half of her staff, right?

It's a big company. It's like 30 people and she's like, I can't, I don't know what's going on. She sent me a picture of those people in the lobby laying out, there's paramedics checking them and stuff. So I'm like, oh my God, what happened? Like they got attacked? Like what's the deal? Anyway, she came in the following week and she

goes, you'll never fucking believe what happened. I'm like what? She goes, well, we have. They're dust. We have a corporate, they have like a corporate apartment where when employees come in from overseas or whatever, or from other areas, they'll stay in this apartment. Okay. Apparently someone who was staying there made a massive

batch of pot brownies. Okay. And left them there, forgot them there. The next person goes in there, sees a whole bunch of brownies and takes them to work. Puts them in the break room and hell of people eat these brownies. And of course two hours later people don't know what the fuck's going on. That's horrible. They start getting hella high. Oh my god what's happening? And then imagine this, you're feeling these crazy effects. Eating too much weed is terrifying. is terrifying is a terrifying feeling but if you don't know it's weed But if you don't know it's we horrible feeling you think you're dead and then you look around and everyone around you is freaking out Cuz they're all high as hell too. Now you're like what is going on?

I'll die because yeah, I mean I had that experience before like brownies like Who knows like what dose I forgot. He's in there. Was that the one where you were at the movies? Oh, that was a different one. But yeah, I thought it was five milligrams. It was 50. It was a little bit different experience

Misplaced the decimal. Than I was ready for. Yeah, that, oh my god, that was terrifying. It was like awful. It was just, there was nothing fun about that. I don't understand people that like, and there's like, there's some people out there was nothing fun about that. I don't understand people that like, and there's like, there's some people out there that can do crazy doses. Weren't you watching the Incredibles 2?

I was watching the Incredibles 2. There was like this, this villain who was, was like a, like he uses hypnotism and like some kind of subliminal messaging. Yeah, with a light flash. Dude, subliminal messaging when you're that high is not fun. I literally was like, they're after me. I did laps around the theater.

I was like trying to stabilize reality, dude. No. It was brutal. That's terrifying. I can only imagine the horror of these poor people. And they had no idea. That's the thing. Cause at least you knew you gave it a net.

Did you realize it by the way? Were you like, oh shit, I ate too much. Yeah. So I actually thought It was CBD Not only that you thought I had before that had a five milligram and I thought it was this was like just CBD and Turns out that was like that was a lot. It was a rocket ship. How long did it take to go away? Um, It took hours and hours it probably till the till like midnight, you know, like, and I went, it was like probably six o'clock. So yeah.

So did you do anything to try and ground yourself? The only thing that helped was, and thankfully so, and I, I put this out there, like, you know, the, the kids, like think of it, I was there with my parents too, and they actually took the kids. I just told them I was sick. Yeah. I'm sure they'll listen to this podcast and, you know, the kids like think I was there with my parents too. And they actually took the kids. I just told him I was sick. Okay. Yeah. I'm sure the listen to this podcast and you know, denounce mom and dad. I wasn't sick. I was stoned. It's actually really high. I didn't want to say it. Um, but yeah, so I actually went home by myself. Uh, it will Courtney

and was kind of taking care of me, but I was just like sitting on the couch. And the only thing that brought me back was watching SpongeBob. Like, I swear. What? I don't know why I needed like, it was something about like just a cartoon and it's a kid's show and it's like easy, you know,

and it wasn't threatening. Yeah, like I was very paranoid. Like I was out there. So I had this conversation with my 14, almost now 15 year old daughter, uh, cause I have very open conversations with my kids, uh, because they're going to be exposed to stuff like this. And so she was asking me about, about cannabis and she goes, well, you know, Oh, if I ever try it, cause I told her, so the first time you do it, um,

you're going to do it with me so I can show you the effects, the dose, uh, whatever. And she's like, well, I'd rather do an edible, I said, the first time you do it, you're gonna do it with me, so I can show you the effects, the dose, whatever. And she's like, well, I'd rather do an edible. I said, well, be careful because people can overdose way easier on edibles than smoking or whatever. And she's like, well, what's that like? So I told her stories. And I essentially told her, I said, look, you won't die. It's almost impossible to overdose on cannabis,

but you will traumatize yourself. People think they'll die. Yeah, like it's almost impossible to overdose on cannabis, but you will traumatize yourself. People think they'll die. Yeah, like it's almost worse. That cop that called in. Yeah, time's moving really slow. Oh my God, did he take like some stash from work and then him and his wife like ate it and they ended up calling 911?

It's terrible, it's a terrible, scary, scary feeling. Yeah, so you know, it's good to have these conversations with your kids so they understand. Nobody had these conversations with me when I was a kid. We didn't talk about anything when I was a kid. So, yeah. So my first time drinking alcohol was, I wish somebody told me, like, you get buzzed, you don't feel the last two drinks you had

until a little later, so don't keep going. I wish somebody told me that. Because, you know, when you're- It's speed. Yes. Speed in itself I wish somebody told me that. Yeah. Cause you know, when you're. Speed. Yes. Speed in itself is such a factor to drinking. Yeah. And if you take your time and you have water

in between and all that, you can really keep, keep it chill. Yeah. No, that's not, I got hella sick my first time and decided to learn the hard way. So you got to have these conversations for sure with your kids. For sure.

Anyway, I got, I just read the craziest story. I gotta show you. So there's an Amazonian tribe, let me pull it up. Is this where Wonder Woman came from? No, not that kind of Amazon, this is real. So there's a remote Amazon tribe, the reclusive tribe that got hooked up to the internet. So they gave them Starlink.

Oh. got hooked up to the internet. So they gave them Starlink. Oh, so it's, it's a, it's a, it's a Brazil's 2000 member Marubo tribe. Okay. And they got Starlink about nine months ago. So for the first time ever, I mean, they're like a legit tribe, like they live in huts and the whole deal, right? Why, why do we think they need internet?

Uh, it was to be able to contact emergency services or right. So they were kind of sold like you get all this cool stuff. Okay. Okay. So they interviewed. So the elders are not worried.

The elders can go wrong here. Yeah, I know. I'm like, I'm worried about the elders are like, are like, please take this back. We don't want this anymore. So the interview. Yeah. So one of the, the tribespeople, one of the

elders says when it arrived, everyone is happy, but now things have gotten worse. Remember this is nine go. Yeah. So one of the, the tribes people, one of the elders says, when it arrived, everyone is happy. But now things have gotten worse. Remember this is nine months. Yeah. Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet, they're learning the ways of the white people.

Now what does that mean? Well, here's what's happening. That the young Marubo men have been sharing porn videos and group chats have been observed having more aggressive sexual behavior. They're not working because they're on social media. Um, literally in nine month period, the elders are seeing all the problems.

Yeah. Everyone is. What a Petri dish for what, you know, we've seen happen over the years. Dude, this is what they're saying. They're people that the kids aren't even talking to their families anymore because they just want to be on social media and then

the young men are just consuming pornography all the time. Yeah. Nine months. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That quick. That's, yeah, that is nuts.

That's wild. And you know, so they were living, you know, they were happier before. Yeah. But now they've got this crazy addiction. I got more stats on this, by the way, which is pretty wild. So I'm reading, yeah, look, that's, that's,

there's an article on it right there. Isn't that crazy? They're all on their phones. Yeah, dude. It's like why, we could just give them walkie talkies, you know, why do we have to give them the whole internet? They don't realize how much happier they were before, and it's so addicting. So along those lines, I was, I'm listening to this book right now, I think I told you guys, it's called those lines, I was, I'm listening to this book right now. I think I told you guys it's called

the Ruthless Elimination of Hurry, okay? And in the beginning it talks, it's like the first chapter is like the history of speed. And he talks about how 2007 was a pivotal year, because that was the introduction of the smartphone. That's also right around the time Facebook and all these other, you know, these big tech companies really started to explode. So I don't know this.

The average person touches their phone over 2,600 times a day, okay? And is on it two and a half hours a day. Younger people, about twice as much. Oh, easily. About twice as much. They did a study, this is crazy to me. If you're just in the same room as your phone,

even if your phone is off, but if it's visible and it's in the same room, there's evidence that it reduces problem solving skills and working memory. So right away your brain knows to outsource. You're delegating already. And forgets. So in some ways essentially makes you dumber. Yeah. gets. So in some ways essentially makes you dumber. And then this guy was talking about why they're so addictive and he uses other examples. So I don't know this right? Slot machines right? The ones that you you go to Vegas you put the quarter in or whatever. They make more than baseball and the film industry

combined. It's just slot machines. And when you go to Vegas you see this like that's the big money makers. There's all the slot. I mean, they bust people in and just sit in front of these things and just pull and push and that's all they do. And one of the reasons why it's so addictive is because experts say that it's the small amounts of money that you use in the moment feel inconsequential. It's a quarter, it's a dollar, it's not a big deal, and it's hit, hit, hit, hit, hit.

Dopamine hits. And this is exactly what social media does or what being on your phone does, where you feel like it's inc, hit, hit, hit, hit. And this is exactly what social media does or what being on your phone does, where you feel like it's inconsequential, five minutes here, 10 minutes there, 30 minutes there. But it all adds up. And then he was explaining what these tech, because remember, the tech industry's massive,

it's the biggest industry in the world, I think, right? Lots of money, lots, so much R&D. Oh, I mean, you see that into video games, and they've taken the page out of gambling and slot machines to that degree. And then you see what technology, how they've extracted, what they've learned from even the porn industry, and then how they've extracted what they've learned from even the porn industry and then how they present that.

And that makes its way into, uh, you know, the social media and like the way they do ads and, and it's, it's, it's interesting. Cause like anything that affects us in terms of like a dopamine hit is, is really where they're like, Oh, wow, there's something here and we can keep them engaged by having this endless scrolling screen, uh, because it's like, it's, it's just, you're constantly hunting and finding. Yes. So, so I have a great parallel comp comparison, right?

So let's see if you guys get there before I reveal it. So you have billions of dollars now for now for years, uh, has been invested specifically in tech on figuring out how to get people more quote unquote engaged, which we can replace that with another word addicted. How can we get people to check their phones more, touch their phones more, and use our product more? Most of the money that goes into these platforms, it goes into these services, into these entertainment, whatever, goes these services, into these entertainment, whatever, goes into how do we get people to do more of that?

How do we get this to become more addictive? Now I'll use another industry that did this, that really started to do this, I would say, in the 60s and 70s, and it really started taking off, the food industry. The food industry started to invest a ton of money into heavily processed foods. And most of the money and time and energy that

went into those things was how do we make them more and more addictive? How do we get our consumers to eat more of them, to eat them faster and to want them more, right? Convenience and hyper palatability. The result of which being, I firmly believe, and I'll make an argument, I'll make this argument all day long, and I think I'll beat anybody in this argument,

I firmly believe that we could lay the obesity epidemic squarely at the feet of heavily processed foods. I think that's it right there. Well, I mean, if you wanna just take one food item that I would say is like a masterpiece of that, an example of that is the potato chip. Yeah. They've actually shown that.

Just because it's like, okay, what other food can you sit there mindlessly consume and realize, oh, she ate the whole bag. Yeah. They've shown that. They've shown that potato chips and Doritos in particular, Cheetos, that they're like, Doritos are literally crack cocaine. So, so what were the consequences of that was a mass obesity epidemic, terrible health consequences.

Okay. So here's what we're doing with tech. We have taken our attention span. Are this natural thing that we have where we focus our energy and attention on things that catch our attention and we've manipulated it and engineered it. And we're continuing to engineer it to get it so perfect that it captures us completely. The obesity epidemic was a result of

hyper palatable processed foods. What's going to be the result of the tech industry doing this? Who knows? I mean, is it going to be complete loss of connection to each other? Isolation, anxiety, depression, those are all exploding, all of those things.

Well, you can, I mean, if you're looking at the virtual world, if you're like, there's literally options for you to just exist in your own reality, you know, in the future. Dude. I would see that as a viable option. Dude. So it's wild. So to hear this, it's like, oh man, you've got some of the

smartest people in the world working day and night with endless amounts of money to figure out how they can overcome your logic. Because logically, I think if you talk to someone, you'd be like, hey, what's better? You see your time scrolling social media or being with your family. Like reading a book and becoming a better person or being on social media or exercise or you know,

what's better? And people would say logically, like oh, those other things are better. But it's you versus the smartest people in the world and endless money, you're gonna lose. You're not gonna win. I know, the odds are definitely not in our favor. No, so the answer's almost,

so as I'm listening to this book, I'm like, you know, one of my best pieces of advice to clients who were struggling with obesity was don't have them in your house. You know, it's not just don't eat it, you can't have it because it's irresistible. It might be like that with tech at some point. Just don't have a smartphone.

Well, I mean, I guess like we went through this kind of phase of being more mindful and like there was this push for a lot of, uh, tech products out there to get you to like meditate and all this. And I just, I mean, like I get the, the, the incentive there to try and help. And, and, but like being on your phone and having that, like still connection, like you said, it's still in the room. How effective is that really?

You know, it's, I don't, that really? I can't buy into that, but what has really helped for me personally, because I'm more of like, that's a really hard practice. I'm sure it's hard for everybody. It's probably easier for some people. I think for anybody who's like really, you know, a type A or like go, go, go, and like production and this and like to be able to really sit in your own breath and like block everything out and like not have stimulus is like, is so uncomfortable. And we've mentioned this a few times on the podcast of like, when I, when I actually went through this whole anxiety, um, sort of meltdown when I was like, uh, developing this invention,

this product all simultaneously, we're doing a ton of stuff with mind pump. Uh, thankfully we had a, uh, Wim Hof, uh, session scheduled that weekend too. So I have So I went through this whole panic attack. I forgot that they were, it was all around the same time. Yeah, it was like the next day even. And I was like- Bro, how serendipitous? Yeah, I was like, maybe I shouldn't go

cause I feel like, you know, it got so bad where I had like a visceral, I had real pain that I thought like I ruptured something kind of pain, you know, in my stomach. And I'm like I ruptured something kind of pain, you know in my stomach and I'm like To me is it's like embarrassing looking back and then go to the hospital We don't find anything. I think you're making this No, they didn't say that but that's how I felt yeah, like I just yeah I felt you thought for real something I thought I'm like there has to be like something like

real, something happened. I'm like, there has to be like something like, like ruptured, something for this kind of pain to like. But you basically made it up. It was all psychological. Because you were so stressed out. I was so stressed. Oh my God. I held things in that badly.

I know you do, bro. That badly. I know you do. I'm gonna hug you next time. Just hug you, just don't cry. Just tell me not to do all these crazy other things adjacent to what we're trying to accomplish. But yeah, so honestly, I was so glad that I decided to show up because we were doing

a lot of breath work in this class. The whole thing is to get hyper oxygenated, to really expand your chest, belly breathe, all this kind of stuff. It's still, it's really to learn how to submit to the cold. It is. Not to fight. So you do that in preparation to then be able to find out where that calm state is. Cause then immediately when you submerge into a cold plunge, your body's initial

reaction is to tense up and, ah, fight. Like, oh, fight. This is an environment that's not helpful. It's a harmful environment. I have to bear it down. So the first initial plunge for me was brutal. I couldn't last very long. I'm like, oh.

Then the instructor was trying to calm me down and be like, look, you have to do these breathing techniques, breathe through it. And then I started to kind of figure that out and breathe through my nose and get expansive as much as I could in the cold. And then all of a sudden it was like, gone. Once I got calm, it was gone and I could literally sit in there for, I don't know, 10, 20 minutes. Listen, Justin's telling the truth because shortly afterwards, and even until now, so we have a plunge here. So plunge is a company that makes really good. It's really nice, a cold dip that filters its own water, maintains the cold.

So it's like, it's ready to go. Right. And Justin can live in there. Adam does pretty well cause he's practiced. I'm terrible at it, but you, I've seen you go in there and say does pretty well because he's practiced. I'm terrible at it. But you, I've seen you go in there and say, you basically decide to get out. You don't get out because it's too cold.

You're like, I should probably get out. Yeah, and I mean, it sucks. Like the initial impact of it and like submerging into that is rough, you know? But if you release and you learn to do that quicker, yeah, it's just so much easier. You know what's funny? It's of course, typical fitness and health industry, right?

They will connect all the benefits of cold dipping to the cold. It turns white fat to brown fat, does this and that, et cetera, et cetera. Exactly. But I think the benefits really have to do with your ability to work with your C&S and your sympathetic-

Find that parasympathetic state. Yes. That's so hard for people in this- It's like a meditative practice. Dude, think about how sympathetic everything is. You literally have to fight to find an opportunity to be in a parasympathetic state. Wow. It's rough out there, man.

Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah, because I remember, I mean, we did a competition, Doug's got it up there. He's got a competent, you know, I don't like how fast they age by the way. So I look at some of these videos and I'm like, I look like, like my own kid. Oh my God. Yeah. Like what happened to me? But, um, you were just like chill. And I don't mean that like in cold. You were just in there forever. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Yeah. So we did a competition here and it's filmed

on Mindpump TV. If you Google ask me anything ice bath challenge in Mindpump, you'll find it. Yeah. Justin was a champion for sure. Yeah. That's wild. Recognize.

That's wild. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. I mean, that's something we need to practice more is to get out of that state and be able to, just to be able to relax. It's because we're so stimulated.

We're so constantly stimulated with everything. Food, entertainment. When do you make your best decisions? Calm. You never make good decisions when you're stressed out. Never. No, it doesn't work. What's always promoted, you know, get everybody upset

and emotional and then now let's all, you know, change the world. Totally. Like, no, everybody needs to get calm, you know, get back to your, your logical, rational brain to make a better decision. Dude, speaking of, uh, freaking out and stuff. We talked about this last episode, the assassinations that happened leading up to the presidential election in Mexico. So first of all, 37 candidates were assassinated.

Can we just stay like for a second, like that's so many people. That's a lot, dude. That's a lot. 37 people were assassinated before we finally, and now you see, all you see in the news is this praise that it's a woman, a Jewish woman, and it's like, what about these 37 people that got iced? And not only that, Andrew told us there were 800 attempts, assassination attempts, 800!

Like, what? What the hell is going on? That's so crazy. Andrew, weren't you saying that people were filming the assassinations? Like the people that were assassinating were like, Oh, here's the video of me killing. Yeah, I don't recommend people look for it, but you can find it. That is what is happening. Do you trust who got elected at all?

I mean, like you go through, how can you like, how, I don't know, dude. Like it's, it's just like, that's a hard sell. Bro. It's like running a race. It's like, you're, you're in a big race, right? Like, all right, I'm racing all these people. Yeah. Let's see when, and as you're running, everybody you're racing is just gets shot and then your last one.

I won. I'm so mad. You made it. And how is she not looking over her shoulder? Like every two seconds? Like, I don't know, man. Like it literally is madness. It's craziness.

Dude, speaking of elections, do you know who just came out and endorsed Trump? You want to guess? You won't guess. There's no way you'll guess. Okay. I, yeah, I don't know. Cause it's, it's, it's kind of strange. I mean, I, I know when he went into like a Brooklyn, like he got a really big response there, which was surprising, but

no dude, he's so the founding member of the black Panthers, David Hilliard, he backed Donald Trump. He says he's an ally of the black population. The leader, the founding member of the black Panthers just came out and said, I know. Wow. What is talk about a shift? It's a, it's a, what a weird, what a weird said, I know. Wow. Talk about a shift. It's a, what a weird, what a weird time. I know. But at least we don't get a bunch of assassinations. You know? Yeah, well.

When I think our shit goes crazy and I look at what happened in Mexico, I'm like, we're cool. We just do a better job hiding it, I guess. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Hey, you wanna hear some crazy facts or crazy statistic I just learned the other day? So I didn't know. I don't know. Hey, you wanna hear some crazy facts or crazy statistic

I just learned the other day? So I didn't know this. So there was on X, there was this swimsuit model who's like this Christian advocate and people were debating if you could be a swimsuit model and still be a Christian or whatever. And then people were posting some stats under this. Yeah, I know.

I'm like, what does that have to do with anything? Somebody posted this, I didn't know that. So do you know who Adriana Lima is? Do you know who that is, Doug? I don't. Okay, Google her name. Is she a model? I've heard the name.

As soon as you see her, as soon as you see her, you'll recognize who she is. So she was like one of the most famous Victoria Secret models. Oh yeah, yeah, I know who she is. Okay, so you'll know her. Maybe you'll put it up on the screen so Justin can see who she is. She's not ugly.

No, you'll recognize her because she's like the most well-known Victoria's Secret model, I think of all time. I didn't know this. She was a virgin until she got married. Really? Yeah. And you know, there's like a bunch of celebrities that were like that, but I had no idea.

Wow. That she waited till marriage. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. That's, that's a rare. Yeah. And then she married up some, some, uh, baseball player. I don't know who some famous baseball player, but yeah, I read that the other day. I'm like, huh? Wow. That's weird. Anyway. Yeah. Dude. Um, my, my kid, my three year old, he's constant comedy,

just a hundred percent comedy. Do you know what he was doing the other day? So he's like, he's like boy energy times a million. He's like one of the most active little dudes. He's just, I've seen just straight boy energy. Um, like all the stereotypes you could think of, right? Like he'll get mad. He'll be irritated for some reason. I don't know, just in a bad mood and he'll just throw shit. Like he'll walk, he'll walk by something that's on the table and it's like a hard object.

Something's not supposed to, and you'll hear a boom. He'll look back and he'll like be walking by. Did you just see that? He's like, I'm like a hard object something's not supposed to and you'll hear a boom he'll look back and he'll like be walking by did you just throw that like on the floor it's like the stuff we deal with right he's also super sweet super loving really smart kid but he does also a bull in the Chinese shop just yeah dude just like him and Everett are peas in the pod yeah dude so I was hanging out with him the other day and he stops and he turns around and

he goes, and he puts his head down. I'm like, what are you doing? He goes sniffing my fart. Smelling his own brand. He turns around and he puts his head down to where his butt was. Wow. He'll fart. He turns around and he puts his head down to where his butt was. Wow.

That reminds me of that South park episode is the Prius. It was in San Francisco or everybody had a Prius and they're just like, uh, you know, because they had a Prius, they would like smell their own farts. Oh, I saw that. Anyways, bro, I was just dying. I'm like, I told, I told my wife, like half the stuff he does, if he does it in public, like, what are we gonna, what are we gonna do? Is he peed on a tree in public? No, I know you're kidding.

Yeah. Yeah. That happened. No, he did in the front yard though. He just, he just, just pulled his, you know, a little swim trunks down and just took him, you know, taking a pee outside. Yeah. But he has yet to do it fully in public,

but I'm sure he's gonna do something like that. Yeah, what's the age cutoff, you think? For peeing in public? Yeah. That's a good question. When does it go from cute, funny to like pervert? Right. Probably... Probably five?

Maybe, yeah. Yeah, you can't be 10. You can't, definitely can't be 10. No. You're a little too big. I think five. Yeah, definitely not five Yeah, I mean diapers like you know, that's sort of that might be the qualifier. Yeah, once you're at a diaper Yeah, what's your diet? Yeah, no, I can go I had a buddy that I had a buddy that thought it was hilarious If we would go out to the bar or whatever

He just thought it was a funny scene in the world if we'd go to the bathroom He would pull his pants all the way down at the urinal and pee Yeah, so it's a thing yeah, it is fun. It's always like yeah, that's funny, dude There must be like one one of those guys in every guy's circle It is funny see a grown man peeing at the urinal with his pants all the way down. Yeah. Anyway, so I gotta, dude, I gotta brag a little bit.

You saw this yesterday. You were witness to this yesterday. You too, I think you were here too. Also, Doug, I have got to tell the audiences. Oh yeah. I went from, okay. Yeah, can I describe this? Yeah, you took an embarrassing picture, but whatever Maybe we'll use that one. Here's the thing cuz I look so since I've known you right so you've been battling these stomach

Issues like just forever bro. Yeah, terrible. So I most my life half the time you're in the bathroom Yeah, you just wear a cell take a shit. Yeah, time you're in the bathroom. Yeah. Like you're just, where's Sal? Take a shit. Yeah. It's just, it's always happening. Thanks. Since then though, like things have shifted and we'll go to restaurants and it's always like, I can't have the dairy, I can't have the gluten, I can't have all the things that you can't have.

Yeah. Big baby. I walk in here and you're like mowing down on a huge burger with a bun and cheese, cheese of all things. Full on cheeseburger. You're a cheese brother now. I don't know.

I'm so excited. I feel like, I feel emotional. Yeah. My gut, it's okay, in my entire, for all my memory, I don't ever remember it being this good. This is like back to when I was a kid. I ate a cheeseburger, so dairy, which is like kryptonite. But there's nothing I can, no way I can ever eat dairy.

Can you speculate a little bit? Yeah, because I'll tell you, I think I know what I did. So there's, okay, so there's a couple things I think are factors, right? So you did the parasite kind of protocol thing. Yeah, I took a parasite, um, prescription for tapeworm. Right.

Yup. So the other thing, which, you know, we're, we're trying not to like pound the, the GLP on every episode, but I think that was something you're, you're kind of microdosing that right now, which, um, they've, Dr. Tina has told us it has like some healing effects in terms of the organs. Is that maybe a potential possibility? Maybe it slows gastric emptying,

which in my case would be a good thing. It helps with autoimmune issues and maybe I had an autoimmune component. So okay, so back up, right? So growing up I could eat most things. Kind of had a sensitive tummy, but wasn't a big deal. Once I hit my late teens, dairy started to become a problem. And then I could get away with it by taking like a lactate pill, right? So like take the lactase enzyme and I could get away with it, but I'd still feel it,

but not a big deal. Once I hit my late 20s, I had to take dairy mostly out, for the most part. I'd have it here or there, but I would suffer from it. When I hit 30, that's when all the, you know, no pun intended, the shit hit the fan and I couldn't have, I couldn't even touch dairy and I couldn't touch gluten. Up until then, I could have gluten. No gluten, no dairy at all. And it was just, it's just been like that.

Now fast forward, working on my gut, trying to get things better, whatever. And by the way, like, this is a big deal. Like when my gut is good, the, my ability to absorb nutrients, how I feel in my workouts, my energy, it's night and day. When you can't absorb the food you're eating and you have chronic, chronic gut inflammation, like for me, I've already calculated it. It's like an eight to 10 pound lean body mass difference, at least eight to 10 pounds, at least for me.

So it's a big difference. So, but working on things and getting a little better, getting a little worse, but kind of training better slowly over the years as we started the podcast, meeting functional medicine practitioners and experts and just really being consistent and kind of slowly getting better, slowly getting better, but still meeting functional medicine practitioners and experts and just really being consistent and kind of slowly getting better, slowly getting better, but still, and they can't have dairy. And gluten, I would have once a month at most,

but then I'd still kind of suffer the consequences a little bit. Anyway, did a protocol for tapeworm, which, very easy by the way, if you get the prescriptions, one tablet. You know that? You get one tablet. I mean I'm convinced now I'm gonna have to go down

that rabbit hole. You might, you might have got it from me, I don't know, we share the same chair sometimes. I know it's got that. It's so gross, it's probably true. You might have it too Doug. I'm too close, it's proximity here. Yeah, you might, you never know.

My gut's pretty good. Yeah, dude, I thought I had an iron gut coming into this podcast thing and it's not the case. So I did that and I noticed a significant improvement. Then taking BPC one five seven, which definitely heals the gut. Yes. I've taken that taking VIP. This is another peptide that has, it's called vaso intestinal peptide.

Okay. Also has got, uh, protective properties or healing properties. And then the microdose of the GLP-1, okay? It's like, it started getting better, better, better. And now, and I don't wanna like, I don't wanna jinx myself or whatever. It's invincible. Well, I mean, if you say that.

I ate a cheeseburger, gluten, cheese, everything. Try ice cream. That would've killed, I don't know. Okay, no, I say deep dish pizza. Bro, so I'm gonna have pizza. I'm gonna be there for that. I'm gonna have pizza next, and I'll have like two slices. I don't wanna go crazy.

Yeah. By the way, more than two slices of deep dish pizza is gonna mess up anybody's gut, so for people listening right now, like, you're gonna mess anybody up. But I'll try it, I'll try it. I still take a lactase pill just because I don't think I produce much of the lactase enzyme.

But I'll try it and I'll let you guys know what happened. But it's like invincible, bro. I had the burger yesterday. It's wild to see that you're eating that. I had the burger, there was a lot of cheese on it. It was a little bit of cheese. And I was like, okay, you know, 30 minutes later felt fine. I'm like, I'm sure I'll feel at least something in an hour,

a little bit of bloating, nothing, nothing at all. Yeah, dude, something like that. Now I have to just like account for the fact that I'm just kind of like ridiculously awful sleep. Yeah, and I'm just not gonna have a good time. It's a trip, dude. It is such a trip. And when I say my gut is impervious,

like if you pull up the Bristol scale, Doug. If you could put it up here in the. You really wanna see it. There's a picture of what your poop's supposed to look like. Yeah. Like I'm perfect. I'm doing great. Yeah.

So this is a miracle. Thank you for not trading selfies with that. No, thank you. No, thank you. I will not send. I think if anyone's ever sent a picture of poop. I actually started that. You did that.

I did. I will never do that. Yeah, don never do that. That is totally disgusting. So do you think you've had a tapeworm for years? Like maybe 10 plus years? I might've. I might've. Yeah, I had that, wow, he's like a good friend. No, he's like a buddy, he just got rid of it.

I totally, yeah, totally, that was a strong tapeworm. Your little passenger. You know how many supplements I take? That tapeworm was fucking, he was spoiled. He was jacked. He was, dude, he supplements I take that tapeworm was fucking, he was spoiled. He was Jack. He was, he was getting everything, supplements, just vitamins, nutrients,

creatine. And he was probably like, he felt your IQ might've been affected a little. What if I get smarter? What if I'm dumber now? What if he was giving me, he probably felt, uh, what's the word? Um, uh, not rejected, but like when you're, when your good friend just turns on you.

It's probably what he's probably like. You know what I mean? Like I can't, I can't. What have I done? He betrayed. He betrayed. No, he betrayed me. Bye bye.

Yeah, no, screw you buddy. Yeah. You got a free ride for too long. No dude, it's, I can't believe it. Well that's, yeah, that's huge. I don't know how to transition into this, but I had like a fun fact. Okay, is this the glitter conspiracy?

Yes. Can you, I heard something about this. My son told me. Okay, well it's just you and me. We cannot have an episode without a conspiracy. So, but this isn't like a grand, like nefarious conspiracy, but maybe it is. Okay, all right.

So, apparently like glitter's really hard to acquire. It's all made kind of centrally. There's one place in New Jersey, I think, that makes a lot of glitter. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I didn't know glitter was limited. You know, supply. That's what my son was telling me.

Yeah, like what? I didn't even look into that as like a potential possibility. Like, but then again, like where do you see glitter kind of come in and out of like parties or parades or whatever, you know, who knows strip clubs, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't know. That doesn't happen. Um, but so it's, it's limited supply. Like it's hard to get why, uh, and, uh, they speculate that, um, because glitter, I guess, like could be bought up in big bulk, uh, by the military for usage of chaff. So it's like able, they, they, they blast it out of, of, um, uh, of these like, uh, fighter jets. And in order to distract radar signals.

Heat-seeking missiles. Heat-seeking missiles. Is it heat-seeking? I believe so. Yeah. Is it actual glitter though, or do they have pieces of aluminum and flares? I think it incorporates all that in there. So when you see, if you ever see a fighter jet that looks like it just had a celebrating pride. Hey look at that. That's a celebration. No and

that's that's a throw-up. So this is not the conspiracy I heard. I heard that glitter was invented and created. Doug look up can you type in glitter conspiracy. So my kid was I don't remember exactly what he said, but something like this was part of a secret weapons development program and they accidentally created glitter. Somehow, yeah. Yeah, yeah, look it up. Please type it in and then look up and see

what comes up with glitter conspiracy. Yeah, wow, this goes even deeper than they thought. Do I ever tell you how much I hate glitter? I hate it, dude. You can't get it out. I can't stand it. Once you get glitter bombed. Well that's my favorite. Those packages that people get like people steal Amazon packages and they open it and just. Yeah they think someone puts glitter bomb on them. No I hate it because you know and my wife uses, she loves doing crafts with the

kids with glitter but it's like and I find it all over the place I'm like, and you know, I'm sure they're eating it on accident and breathing it in. I was trying to tell her, I'm like, honey, this is gonna end up in my pink rears or something. Like, let's get rid of all this, like, it's so small. We always talk about microplastics. Yeah, this is like, you know, this glitter, let's get rid of it.

But she loves, you know, my kids like to do the thing where they write something with glue and then they throw glitter on it, and like, look how cool it is. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, look dad. It's shiny.

Keep that away from me. Did you find anything Doug? I'm looking at it. One thing I did learn is it doesn't biodegrade for a thousand years. Dang. So when you're throwing glitter out, that's what you're doing. You're polluting. Glitter sticks around.

What if, what are future civilizations gonna think? Nothing's left, everything's gone, and they just find glitter. Just glitter and cockroaches. They're like, oh, the past. I'm having a hard time finding a good article about it. Really? Yeah.

There's nothing on glitter conspiracy, huh? Well, I see stuff. You know why? They scrubbed it from the internet. They're trying to hide it, dude. Exactly. This is not, they don't want anybody to know what's going on. I'll help, Doug. I'm going to look it up myself.

Yeah, you're probably better at the next, uh, secret weapon. OK, who is taking all the glitter? See, there's something about this. Mm-hmm. Oh. Uh, it's a son of a. I think, you know, the chaff, it makes sense, right? Because it's.

So there's a glitter shortage as part of it. OK. Yeah. Because somebody was buying it all up. Yeah. Hmm. And like who buys everything up? It's usually like a military complex or something. Yeah.

Okay. So it was first created in the 1940s in a farm on a farm in New Jersey by a person called Henry Rushman. He was experienced in precision cutting and noticed that the cutting machine that he invented to cut, develop glossy photo prints occasionally stuttered and deposited cellulose paper, which was called snibbles. I love that word.

Why? Snibbles. You just made up some shit. You know what I mean? What's that stuff called that keeps coming out of the machine? Yeah. Snibbles. Gave me the snibbles.

Rushman went on to invent the machine to cut glitter. Schnibbles from plastic scrap. The glitter produced was supposed to be a side business that could help support the farm's operating costs for breeding and milking. Dude, that's like the new like kid cartoon waiting to happen. Schnibbles. They're like little Smurfs, but they're really shiny.

Yeah, so it says here, there are two main companies that both are located in New Jersey. The first is the original Meadowbrook Inventions, which are a very private company. The second company is Glitter-X. It's all hush-hush. It is, it's a very secretive air around,

there's a very secretive air around glitter production a very secretive air around glitter production the companies do not even want their clients to know how this sparkly substance Like is made it like opens a portal. Yeah Okay. Wow, did you know this researchers and zookeepers? Mixed glitter into animal feed to track animals through their sparkly through their sparkly poop. Sparkly poop. I don't know. I'm gonna try that. Wow, why is glitter so interesting?

So that would be a funny prank. You know what, you guys know what an upper decker is, right? Do you know what that is, Andrew? Upper decker? Of course I know what an upper decker is. You don't know what an upper decker is? See, I'm telling you, the younger generation is just weak. I know, they don't know the atomic sit-up.

They don't know, yeah. Here's an upper decker. Full Melvin. This is what you do with an upper decker. You poop in your friend's toilet, but not in the toilet, you poop in the tank. Water tank. Okay.

Don't encourage that phrase. So it just keeps perpetually. This is just nasty. Nobody knows what happens. Just nasty. Adding nastiness. You try to flush your toilet and you get poop water. Yeah.

And you never figure out what the hell's going on. I didn't have this kind of stuff. That's an upper decker. But imagine if you ate glitter and then did an upper decker, even more curious situation. We're not recommending that, by the way. No, don't do an upper decker.

That ruins everything. Not good, not good. By the way, you're supposed to be able to in an emergency, you guys know this? Maybe, let's see if you know this, Andrew. You're at your house, emergency, no water. Can't turn on your water. Where can you get clean water?

From your upper deck, right? Yes, the tank. Unless your friend came over earlier. Unless your friend, upper duck, upper duck to you. But otherwise, that's supposed to be- That ruins your fresh water supply. That's supposed to be water, that's clean water that you could drink in case of an emergency.

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Why were you gonna shout out and you were gonna forget? You were not gonna say the name or the website. The website is the salon m.com. Yes. That's the one. The salon m.com. Go check them out, please. Go check it out.

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Hey, how's it going, everybody? We're good. It's great to be on. Super excited. Little nervous, but this is gonna be really fun. All right, let's do it. All right. What you got for us?

Satellite delay. Here we go. Awesome. Yeah, go. Awesome. Yeah, sorry about that. I'm on a vacation down at the beach. So the wifi might not be as good here, but just wanted to say right off the bat, if you can still hear me,

I really appreciate you all being just really great role models for being a good man, good husband, having a growth mindset and a positive impact on people's lives. And then of course, health and fitness as well. So really appreciate everything that you guys have done. Thank you, Brad. Thanks, man. Of course. All right. So just a quick bit of background on me. So I grew up swimming competitively all my life and then kind of went through college, did

swimming on and off on our club team for a little bit, went to nationals my senior year. So I've been pretty into swimming most of my life. But throughout college, I began listening to you all kind of through COVID and about three and a half years ago started lifting pretty consistently gaining around 50 pounds over the course of those four years. Most of it muscle. But when it comes to kind of where I am now, I graduated about a year ago and got a business development and consulting job at Gallup. And really, I get to do what I love every day. I control my income. I make a positive impact on people around me. And so I really enjoy myself, but I'm also sitting at a desk most of the day,

really getting about 5,000 to 6,000 steps, not a whole lot of cardio or activity other than walking. lot of cardio or activity other than walking and my my window in the morning with a 20 to 30 minute workout. So my question originally was and this this was kind of a little bit of a while back but I asked how I should be more intentional with Maps performance maybe splitting it into a Maps 15 style schedule to fit my schedule working out in the morning for 20 to 30 minutes at a time and reducing its volume. So I'm wondering how can I do this while still emphasizing improvement in speed and athleticism? And at the moment I'm kind of I'm already into phase four, which is which is almost almost done with that program. But I was hoping that you all could give me a little bit of an understanding

on how to do this with my next two planned programs, which are Maps Cardio and Maps Performance Advanced. I'm hoping to do a sort of a sprint triathlon later in the summer, which is kind of different from what I've been doing. So I've been doing a lot of lifting, not a whole lot of cardio just walking um and trying to switch it up a little bit so looking to do that and then go into maps performance advance later this later in the in the fall as well. So anything that i should do that you guys recommend kind of splitting that that program up and then kind of my second question there is anything that I should do with my diet to Help achieve this goal currently. I'm I'm about 6 1 2 2 50 a little bit muscular, but probably carrying a little extra weight On top of that, so I'll stop there. Okay, so James real quick

So you only have 20 30 minutes a day to work out Give or take yeah in the morning before I go to work. Okay, and now why don't you have more time? Is there because I heard you say you're married you have kids No kids, I'm 23 married for about a year It's just with with the way the schedule works when I get back from work usually around 6 6 30 And I just don't have the energy. So waking up and working out in the morning is usually my best bet. I just like getting there in the morning.

It gives me a little bit of energy and just kind of helps me go about my day as the best that I can. All right. So I'm going to be, there's just two ways we could do this and I'll be the second way I'm going to be real blunt, but let's start with the first one and you know I'll always meet someone where they're at what you're telling me is look I got 20-30 minutes and that's it now with something like that Maps 15 is gonna be your program Now the way you would modify it is you would swap out an exercise for something that would be more

Athletic minded right. So if it says barbell row, you might do something with the landmine where you add some rotation. If it's a seated shoulder press, you might do a standing push press. You could do sled exercises instead of maybe traditional barbell squats or whatever. But that what that way you're gonna follow now the second thing you could do where I'll be blunt is make more time to work out you're 27 years old you're married you got a regular job make more time and then follow the program as it's laid out because what'll happen is if we take math performance advanced and try to

shoehorn it into 20 30 minutes the programming isn't gonna work but math 15 programming works very well for what you're asking for. And with that, you would just swap out an exercise for something that would be more geared along the lines of what you're looking for. Now, the other thing you could do, and you could totally do this with any of our programs,

is the foundational workouts. Do half in the morning, half at night. If you can find the energy post work to do another 20 or 30 minutes, well now you can do the full foundational workout. You do the half in the morning, half at night. That's actually a great way to split it up. And then you don't have to change the programming at all.

You just follow the programming as it's written. Great, thank you. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, that's a massive delay. James, the thing, I'm going to stick with the blunt thing that Sal went that direction. It's like, we get this a lot where callers, you know, you want your cake and eat it too. You want to pursue this like athletic performance because it sounds good, but then you also want it to fit in a Maps 15 protocol. And it's just, it's really tough to do that because of the attributes required to improve your athleticism

like in like the way we have written in that program just requires unilateral work, more rotational stuff, just a little more time, a little more time in programming. So it doesn't mean that you can't follow a program getting good shape because, you know, leaning at losing some body fat, getting stronger, that's going to increase your athletic performance. And following a MAPS 15 protocol the way we laid it out is going to give you those attributes. But if you want to increase your athletic performance even

beyond that, more like how MAPS performance is laid out, well, then you've got to follow it the way it's laid out. Like modifying it to look like a MAPS 15, then it becomes more like MAPS 15. And the point of us creating that program was, what do we need to do to give people the biggest bang for their buck that are limited with time? They only have 15 to 30 minutes of workout.

What are those exercises that's going to give them generally everything that we could try and give them, which is going to be some strength, some athletic performance, things like some body fat reduction. Like that's what that program is. If you want more, then you've got to kind of give more and more means your time in this situation. Otherwise, just following the program, the way it's laid out, you're going to get a lot of these things that you want. But if you want to be like a, you know, pick up basketball or you want to play a

sport and you want to get better at that and you want to be it's like it just it means it requires more of your time and effort in that direction and there's lots of ways to do it like Sal saying split it or get up a little bit earlier like those are ways you do it changing a program to fit in that 15-20 minute and and then it's too much it just changes the program almost complete now I think the real question here James if you were my client, this would be the question I would ask you is why are you so low energy at the end of the day that you can't work out

for another 30 minutes? Like you shouldn't feel that exhausted or lethargic at the end of the day and it's probably related to diet and or sleep. Those are probably the two things that I would look at. So if your sleep is really good, then it's probably gonna be dietary. Do you track your calories?

Do you know what your macros are like? Do you include a lot of processed foods? Give me some details around diet or if you're just not aware of those things because you haven't tracked, let me know because I think that might be where the answer is because I'd like to see you, especially at your age, with the level of responsibility you have,

which is just a wife and a job, to have energy at 6 p.m. You know, like, because I'm gonna tell you, like, you're gonna have kids, you know, I don't know if you're gonna have kids, but if you choose to, which would be amazing, like, not having energy at 6 p.m. becomes normal, right? But at this point, you should feel like you have enough energy to exercise

at least a few days a week at the end of a work day. So we gotta figure out why that is, like what's going on. So let's talk about diet for a little bit. Give me some details. Yeah, great, great question. And I know it's a little choppy on my end, so I'm hoping you guys can hear me. But when it comes to the details specifically of

when I said that I had a little low energy, I think it's less. When I'm doing that, by the time it gets to say 8, 830, I'm already starting to try and get ready for bed, which is if I were to go work out during that time, I think it would kind of amp me up. It would get me a little bit too riled up to go and get good sleep after that. So I think that's more of the issue, less of the I'm feeling lethargic and low energy at the end of the day. It just kind of works better with my schedule. I could wake up a little bit earlier, make some more time in the morning just because that works better for me and kind of make that, make time for the for the full hour or so that the program entails. Is that closer to

what you'd recommend? Okay so what you said earlier about not having a lot of energy at the end of the day is not what you really meant. What you really meant is you're afraid of getting too amped up and then you'll have poor sleep so okay then follow maps 15 style workout in the morning swap out some of the exercises for some athletic minded ones and you'll get more of what you're looking for I think that's the answer then okay great yeah all right do you have that program by the way? Do you have MAPS 15? I do have MAPS 15 yeah. Perfect. Cool. And you're good. Why don't we put you are you in our forum James? I am not in the forum I would love

to be. Let's put you in the forum and if you have more questions as you go along tag us and there's trainers and coaches in there that can help you as well. Fantastic thank you guys. You got one additional question if you have a second of time, just a quick bit of advice. Sure. So if all of you guys could just give me your quick advice as to like marriage and how to make the best of both of those. I'm about a year into both. I'm 23 years old. Give me everything you got. I'll give you something on both. And you said it about the thing that you like about us is if you and your partner are both growth-minded and you don't ever stop that, both in the workspace, let me tell you, in work this happens all the time. You get a job,

you get good money, and then it becomes a routine thing and you don't and you stop learning. You stop growing, you stop adding skills, you stop pursuing becoming better at your craft or adding more things to your your tool belt. So don't ever stop growing and learning and hold yourself accountable on literally a weekly and daily basis. What am I doing this week to learn and grow to be better at my craft or my profession? What am I doing this week to be better in my in my relationship as a better husband and as a better partner and challenge yourself to always be pursuing growth? That in itself will lead to an incredible relationship with you and your partner and make you very valuable in the workplace. Awesome thank you. You got it man. Thanks for calling in. Appreciate it.

You got it. James life is gonna get a lot harder. Yeah I got you know you know I'll tell you I'll tell you what here's a deal and it's frustrating because again if he was my client this this would be a process, right? But we're here at one time talking, and it's like, you know, I'm 27 years old, just got married, I'm too tired at the end of the day, I wanna work out for 20, 30 minutes, but I want all this other stuff.

It's like, okay, sorry, not gonna happen. You know, we can do a lot with our programming, but we can't perform miracles. So either make the time or figure out why you don't have the energy or okay you changed your mind halfway through this conversation you said now it's not an energy thing you can't go to bed. So I think the real thing and I'll be again a very blunt is I think James, which is okay by the way, this is fine, you can say this like

you're not gonna get we're not gonna chastise you for this, but I think the real thing is he doesn't wanna work out again, that's all. And he's coming up with reasons and excuses. Or more, or longer. Right, you don't wanna work out more. It's totally fine, that's totally fine. It's not, in fact, we made a career out of helping people

who are like, look, I can't be consistent working out all the time. It's like, we'll get you really fit, we'll get you looking good and feeling good with minimal time. But I think that it's hard, you don't wanna be honest, like'll get you looking good and feeling good with minimal time. But I think that it's hard. You don't want to be an honest fit. Like I just don't want to do it, which is totally fine.

If you don't want to do it though, you can't also want the results that you'll get from doing the thing you don't want to do. Just doesn't, doesn't work that way. Yeah. I think it's also important to understand too, like we didn't go really deep into like, like why, what's with the athletic performance thing? Like, why do you want to? He was a swimmer. Yeah, I know. But like, is there, he was, but so is there into like, what's with the athletic performance thing? Like, why do you want to? He was a swimmer.

Yeah, I know, but like, is there, he was, but so is there something, like does he want to get back into competitive swimming? Does it work? Maybe because he attaches like how we felt back then. Right, and so, okay, you dropping some body fat and getting stronger in the gym is gonna give you some better athletic performance.

It's gonna make you feel he's going to move faster. Yeah. If you're lighter, you're going to be more. I mean, he's six, one, two 50. If you dropped 50 pounds, uh, give or take, you're going to feel like a completely different faster. He'll have better endurance. He'll have better strength.

He'll swim better. Like, I mean, all the things will improve just from do that. And you can do that following maps 15 type of protocol. But when you go and you compare it to, oh, Maps performance and all the cool stuff that we do in there, it's like, yeah, I want all the attributes from that, but then I only want to do it 15 minutes. It's just, it's now a different program. It's now, and that's like, and it sounds like Maps 15 is the right program for a guy like this. It's like, that's fine. Just like you said, it's like, I'm not going to tell someone they have

to work out more. If you can only commit. Then we'll make it work. Then we'll make it work. But then I'm also gonna be realistic with you on what to expect. You're not going to the NBA off of that. You're not gonna go become a. You're not gonna be an athletic like you were in college. Athletic pursuits are gonna require a bit more.

Yes. Dedication. Yes. And opportunity for you to perfect these movements and go through that process. So in terms of just maintaining muscle mass and you know, a nice lean physique and energy levels, well that like math 15 is brilliant for that. But yeah, if you're trying to smash all these other attributes in there, it gets so well said,

Justin, if you want to sculpt your body and be lean, you don't need to work out that much and you'd have a good diet and you'll get there. But if you want to be like an athlete, it takes time. You got to spend more time. Dedicated. That's right. Our next caller is Julie from Kansas. Hi, Julie. How can we help you?

How you doing? Good morning. Hey guys. How are you? Good. Good. I've been a listener. I've been a listener since about 2020.

My wife's a coach and has been listening to you since 16. It just took me a little bit longer to get on board. So I apologize for the delay. Hey, we got you now, right? I really need your guys' help. I'm a 39-year-old female. I'm 5'7", 140 pounds, approximately 22% body fat. I've been lifting for nine years consistently. I started my lifting journey after I lost 100 pounds, and I lost 100 pounds through just cutting my intake. I didn't do anything drastic, I just cut portion sizes, and I started riding a stationary bike.

Through this, I obviously lost 100 pounds, but I also greatly improved my overall health. But I looked really flat, Like I almost looked unhealthy. So I started resistance training to try to improve the way my body looked and feel more confident in my skin. I've done a series of bulks and cuts since then to try to achieve even better health

and to feel more comfortable in my body. The first series was not completed properly. It was a dirty bulk and I just didn't know what I was doing. So I hired a coach and I worked with him for about two years until just recently discontinuing with him. And during that journey, we also healed SIBO and H. pylori. And then we tried to work on my body transformation. I told him repeatedly throughout the process that I felt like I didn't look as lean as

I did before I started with him. And I felt like I didn't look as lean as I did before I started with him and I felt like I wasn't really progressing and he kind of just kept brushing me off maybe gaslit me a little bit. Told me that it was just body image issues because the scale weight was down which the scale has been down since I started working with him. I've lost almost 30 pounds but I can't lift as heavy. My body I truly feel like doesn't look as lean as when I started. And I just don't know what to do. I'm really frustrated and discouraged. I would like to see how lean my body could get just kind of to show myself I could do it.

I've put in the work. I don't really want to be stage lean. Like I don't want to compete, but I just want to see like a little bit more definition really look cut. I consistently hit my protein target. I've run maps, anabolic aesthetics, probably twice with performance breaking them up the first time. And then this last cycle, I've been through anabolic symmetry aesthetics, and now I'm

in anabolic advanced and I'm in about phase two, week two. So I don't know really where to go from here. I've been in a cut since about March and the scale is going down. And I feel like I'm still gaining strength and anabolic advanced, but I'm still not seeing like what I want in my composition. Okay. By the way, um, you sent a picture in, uh, you lost a hundred pounds. You're looking good.

You look for not like, I mean, I mean, look, uh, I could typically tell when someone loses a dramatic amount of weight because there's changes to their physique, but your body rebounded exceptionally well, you're doing really good. And you said you're at what 22% body fat? That's estimated. We, my wife started on calipers on me at the

beginning of the year. And so when we started, I think we were at about 25% and then the last measurements were I believe in mid April and they were about 22%. Okay. You're doing good. You're doing really good. And when you lost 30 pounds, you said you didn't look as lean. I, I doubt you lost 30 pounds of muscle.

Um, do you know what your body fat percentage was then at the, when you were 30 pounds heavier? No I don't. When I started with a coach I was 172 but I also like I've been watching strength as well and bench and overhead press have always been kind of my lifts. So this is what's concerning to me is I used to be able to push 165 and a max rep bench and probably close to 80-85 and an overhead press and I am lucky if I get 35 to 80, 85 in an overhead press. And I am lucky if I get 35s on the bar now when I bench. So what you weighed, give me your body weight when you were pressing 165, 170?

Yeah, I think 170, 172. Okay. And what do you weigh now? Uh, as of this morning, 140. Okay. Yep. I do want to say you, you will see strength loss typically when you lose As of this morning, 140. Okay. Yep. I do want to say you will see strength loss typically when you lose weight.

There's a few reasons for it. And when you're in a cut for that long. Yeah. So you're going to see that. Although I do think you lost a little more strength than you should have. Yeah. But being in a cut that long can sometimes do that. Just from energy.

Like for example, if I put you in a bulk right now you'll probably see a strength boost. You're getting stronger now with anabolic advanced while you're still following the same diet? Yeah I started anabolic advanced probably about six weeks ago. I did the week deload after the first phase and I'm still adding either reps or weight almost every lift. Some are a little more challenging, but most of them I'm adding weight to. That's phenomenal. You're killing it. Yeah, what's your calorie intake at roughly?

Are you tracking right now? Oh yeah, I track diligently. I'm constantly hitting at least 150 protein and I get about 16 to 1650. In calories. Yeah. Okay. Maybe reverse diet for a little bit. I think a little reverse diet would be good.

I mean, I'll be honest with you, you're crushing it. You're getting stronger. You've been on this cut for so long from where you started and then recently down 30 pounds, you're doing really well and you're getting stronger at 1600 calories, which is really good because it's still kind of low calorie. I'd like to see you do a little bit of a reverse diet. And then once you get your calories up to a certain point, start to cut again. I do want to comment Julia on why, because I know, I know as what it's like

when you're in this, when you're in this position and it feels like it's so damn slow and I know that's probably how you feel. It's just like, man, I'm just consistent. I work hard. I'm diligent as fuck. And it just feels like it's moving really slow. And it kind of is for you right now. But a big reason why that is, it's

where we are metabolically right now. You're at a place right now where you have to eat as little as 1,600 calories to lose body fat. And it's working. You're actually moving in the right direction. And all in all, I know you would like to see more aesthetically, like in the mirror or whatever, but from what I'm hearing with your numbers,

your body fat percentage, you are moving in the right direction. But it's so slow because of where your metabolism is currently right now. That 1600 calories is how low you have to be just to move in the right direction. So what would benefit us is to reverse diet up and get to a place where you can eat 25, 26, 2700 calories and not put body fat on so that when you come when I bring you back down to say 1800 or 2000, you move a lot faster. And that's just because you've got the metabolism roaring again. And what's happened is your metabolism has adapted to how low of calories and the activity that you do.

So even though you're doing a good job and you're actually moving the right direction, the progress is really slow. If we wanted to ramp that progress up, you were a client of mine, then I would actually put you on a mini-bulk. We would go on a bulk for a while with the goal of just building.

A nice steady one. We're not going to see, at this point. I don't care about the scale right now. I even don't care what you think we look like right now. It's like, I just want to get our goal is can I not put a bunch of weight on you and get you up to say like 2,500 calories and maintaining at that. And what we should see is a pretty good strength increase and hopefully your body kind of leveling out there. And then that, that becomes our new, you know, uh, our, our new level of where your metabolism is at.

And then I can bring you back down and then you should see faster results. Yeah. That's kind of what's going on. I want to add this to Julia. How long ago was it, uh, that you were a hundred pounds overweight and how long were you living that lifestyle for that led to that, that 100 pound, you know, uh, weight gain. Um, I was two 50 probably around, I would say like 2010 and then I dropped it and I was probably, I, I, I had the weight loss. I was down at one 50 by at least 2011.

So it was probably, I was two 50 much, like I lost it weight loss, I was down at 150 by at least 2011. So it was probably, I was 250 much, like I lost it over a long period of time, a few couple of years. So, and I've been doing this, you know, the resistance training and stuff since then. And the last time I was on a reverse diet with this coach, he got me up to 2300 and I finally got to the point where I was like, I can't eat anymore. And I was like about to explode but we just didn't he kind of like I don't know what your guys's thoughts are but we kind of like Stepped it down in baby steps

So I was constantly like cutting a little bit here and there this time when my wife has kind of been holding my hand through this She just said okay, we've been sitting at 2,000 for a while here. Let's just cut 25% and drop to 16. And I've been here at the same spot since she dropped me in March and I'm still progressing without even dropping anymore. But when he reverse dieted me, I felt like I just got super puffy. I don't know. It may have been a lot of water weight, but I just felt like I looked not good. It might have been something we a lot of water weight, but I just felt like I looked. Might've been, might've been something we're eating too.

Yeah. But you know, here's the deal though. If you feel good at where you're at and you're moving and you're moving in the right direction and you're getting stronger and you're okay with the food that you're eating. You're not like, Oh, I'm starving. I mean, there's nothing wrong with staying where you're at. I mean, that's the, the truth is, and that's why I think we all started this as like, you're doing actually pretty good. The hardest is, and that's why I think we all started this, is you're doing actually

pretty good. The hardest part, and this is the frustrating part about being in the Goldilocks zone, which you're kind of at, which is just the right amount of calories that you don't see huge swings but you just slowly lean out over time, is actually that it's really slow, but it's actually right where you want to be. I mean, and if I had a client that was expressing this to me and they're like, I want to see it faster. Well, what I would do is I would interrupt your cut because you've been in it for March. So a little three-week bulk and then

go back down again would probably help kickstart and speed some things up. But you're actually at a really good place. If you're satisfied calorie- wise, you're seeing your strength stay the same or go up and you're slowly leaning out. That's a really good place to be. There's nothing wrong at all with staying where you're at and just letting it. What's your wife saying to you? Just curiosity. What does she, what's, I'd like to hear her opinion.

I haven't felt, I have a feeling like you're confirming stuff that she's probably already told you. Yeah. She in the background nodding her head. Like what's, what's happening here? She is actually back there. Um, I mean, she tells me all the time that she can see progress and I can't. So, I mean, maybe there is a little bit of it's self-biased, but, um, I mean,

we are actually getting ready to come out of the cut and go into either a, like a maintenance or it looks like now a reverse or reverse diet based on your advice. But that's where she's at. Cause she said she didn't want me to be here very long. She wanted me to get into the cut and then get out of it as soon as possible. So that's why we did a quick drop and she left me here. We were making progress. So she didn't change anything cause I felt good.

I didn't feel like shit on this cut like I did before. Um, and she was like, if you're making progress, don't change anything. We just want to get in it. Get down to business, get out of it and then get you back. Julie, she's got great creative eyes. Get out of your own way, Julie. Yeah. Yeah.

You're, you're, you're getting in your own way. It's, it's pretty clear now that the, you're, you're the, the, the challenges you're running into right now are really with the mindset and I want things to move in a particular way and I'm not happy, but you are, I'm going to tell you right now, you're crushing. Especially from where you came from, where you came from, the fact that you're able to get your metabolism to move the way that you are, where you can get up to 2,200 calories, bring it to 1,600 calories, get strong. You know how hard that is to do when you've lost a hundred pounds it's very very very challenging and you're doing it like you're doing great

and you're strong so I think you're just you're moving in the right direction I think just be calm and cool with it and here's what I'll tell you about that because I can get stuck in that all the time, is really be in the present. Try to be in the present as much as possible. Try not to think about where you're gonna be or where I wanna go. Try to think more about the now. Am I enjoying my workout right now?

Am I enjoying what I'm doing right now? Am I healthier today than I was just a year ago? Do I feel good right now? Because what that'll do is it's gonna make this process enjoyable and then when it becomes so enjoyable that you just love doing it well then you're gonna hit those milestones automatically. It's not something you're constantly looking at because right now what it feels like is you're sacrificing the present you for the future you and the future you that you've created

isn't coming here fast enough so it feels like it's just I'm sacrificing for what? But if you enjoy the present now, there's no sacrifice. Everybody wins. You now, you in the future, you're all winning. You're doing a great job. And I think you're getting great advice from your wife. I think she's on the right track. Totally.

That's exactly what I would do with you. I would run you in these cuts for a short period of time to see some nice results. As I think things start to slow up, I'd put you in a reverse diet for three weeks, then come back down to the cut, reverse diet, and we just keep bouncing in out of these mini cuts, mini bulks, and continue to see you just slowly lean out and try and keep as much strength as we can. I think you're doing really good, and I think you got somebody who's got good advice for you. So stay the course. Trust the process. Where do you think I should go next program wise as far as I mean should I just start from scratch

and go back to anabolic and run them again or? After anabolic advanced I like either symmetry or performance. I do like how you guys were doing that too so I don't know if that's partly from her advice but you've been I heard the way you were rotating interrupts good performance I mean that know if that's partly from her advice, but you've been, I heard the way you were rotating, interrupting the performance. I mean, that's good, that's good balance that you have right now. Totally. Yeah, you could go, you could go symmetry,

you could go performance. If you wanna go more bodybuilder, split would even be fine, but I still would like symmetry and performance thrown in at least after that. Yeah, as long as you interrupt those kind of bodybuilder-esque programs with a performance or symmetry every two or three program rotations. You're good.

You're good. Do you have all the programs we mentioned? Do you have all of them or what are you missing? Let me give you something. The only thing I think I don't have that I actually thought based on my complaint that you guys were going to send me was muscle mommy. Well, I'm not a mommy. We'll send it over.

You'll get it. Yeah. Yeah. You'll like that. Yeah. That's just a term. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think, I think what I was going to do though, aside from muscle

mommy, which is coming my way now is I think I was thinking about breaking up anabolic advanced since it's such a high volume with like 15, I haven't run 15. I do have 15, but I haven't run it yet. Oh, you'd love it. Especially if you feel at the end, like you need a little bit of a break, uh, because of the volume, yeah, you would like it and you'll probably get real strong. A lot of people get real strong following that, that protocol.

Okay. Yeah, I'll do, I'll do 15 and then I'll go into muscle mommy and just start some folks and the books then I guess. We'll send that over to you. All right. Yeah. Thanks for calling in. All right.

Thanks guys. You got it. That was fun. She's crushing it. Yeah she's getting good advice. By the way the weight okay so I get it the way she looks after losing a hundred pounds. Oh incredible. I mean she's doing phenomenal. And you have to so it's I try and explain this when I talk about like the ratio of like you know when people get to a place where they feel like, man, I can, I eat one bad thing and it sticks to me. It's like a lot of that has to do with the ratio to where you're currently at. Meaning her metabolism is at a place where 16 to 1800 is kind of maintenance, right? Maybe 1800 is maintenance, 1600 is getting her to lose slightly like that.

And so it's just, it's a smaller percentage of just her, her metabolism, a 300 or 400 calorie meal is a, is a, you know, extra meal is a, it's a large percentage of her total calories. Right. So, and so it's just going to move a little bit. So, or she, she, she's got a, you know, a four cylinder engine that she's running and she's running it very efficiently and very well. And she's, it's performing very good for her, but good for her. But you have V8 supercharged expectations.

And if you want that type of swings and movement in your body composition like that, you've got to build that engine. And so, or just be okay that you've got a very, very efficient four cylinder that you're, I mean, she's doing, she's getting great out of what her metabolism is at. And so if she was eating 3000 calories and that was what maintained her and

then she cuts down to 25, well, yeah, then you're going to see these more dramatic swings. And so it's like, you have to, but when she said, you know, Hey, when I was eating 2300, I felt like I'm stuffing myself. Well, I also don't want to force you to try and build your metabolism up to 2800 calories if you feel uncomfortable eating that. So she's in a really good place and doing a much better job than I think she realizes.

Our next caller is Zach from Illinois. What's up, Zach? What's going on? How's it going? Good. Good. What's up, man? Not too much.

Pretty crazy being on the show. My question is pretty long, so I'm just going to dive right into it. So a few years ago, while working as a police officer, I suffered three concurrent anoxic brain injuries from an exhaust leak in my squad car. The injuries caused a significant amount of brain damage, which required extensive treatment with a neurologist. Um, although the bulk of my mental and cognitive issues have been resolved, I

have been dealing with GI issues since the injury. Specifically, my gut is hard and distended all the time, no matter what I eat. I have fairly low body fat percentage, but I constantly look like I have a dad bod due to the distension. I also developed patches of psoriasis on my face and scalp. I tried discussing this with my primary care doctor and was shrugged off. I brought up the gut brain axis

and was basically laughed at and told that that's not a real thing. I was given a referral to GI. They tested blood and stool and everything came back normal. No food sensitivities, nothing. My diet is extremely clean. I cut out all gluten. I basically just eat meat, fruit, and white rice. I still get flare ups out of the blue where my face will really get bad with the psoriasis and I'll have even worse bloating than normal.

Kind of thought I was stuck dealing with these things forever until I heard your guys' show and how you've dealt with gut and skin issues. So I was hoping you guys could give me some advice and help me out. All right, so sometimes I get really annoyed with- Yeah, super annoyed. Because obviously something's going on, right? Like there's not nothing going on,

there's some things happening. Extreme bloating, all of a sudden you have these skin issues or these autoimmune issues going on, which might be harder to figure out the root cause of. Gut issues can be hard to figure out as well, but I feel like we should probably start there. Do you know what tests the GI ran? Did they just look for parasites?

Or were they looking for parasites? We did the SIBO test where you blow into the bags. We did, um, food sensitivities tests, uh, age, pilot glory. They kind of just did like a broad umbrella of tests and couldn't find anything. Okay. I would do more testing and I go through a functional medicine practitioner and really, really start to dive down and get, cause there's something

going on there with your gut. There's something that's happening with your gut and I'd go, I'd look at, is there a fungal overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth? Do we have issues with elimination? Um, is there a parasite? Sometimes they hide themselves really well. So you don't see them with the test. You have to do other tests to see what kind of what's going on.

So that's where I would start. I would go see a functional medicine practitioner. And then from there, they would look deeper at maybe some root cause issues for some of the other autoimmune stuff. But that's, that's where I, that's a hundred percent where I would go. And you may have to go through a couple of rounds of different kinds of tests to kind of figure out what's happening. But look, I've done lots of tests myself,

and it wasn't until I got really specific that I found that I had a parasite, and then treating that fixed most of my issues. Yeah, so I would go functional medicine practitioner, and then once you get some answers to speed the process up Once you figure out what's going on and you can treat it then I would also look at peptide therapy As a way to kind of speed up the healing process speeding up the the gut healing process and there are Peptides that seem to be beneficial for skin autoimmune issues things like GHK

Cu is one of those for example but functional medicine is where I'd start 100%. MP holistic health that's the forum Doug right? That's correct yeah so we have a free forum MP holistic health that's Dr. Cabral and his team it's free for you to go in there and then you could literally you could post a question or say I want to book a consultation and one of the doctors will get to you and then set it up I I think he's the best in the business. I would go that route too. Just to share some personal with, because I have psoriasis. So, and I, and I have actually done all these tests. I've done all these different diets.

And I've seen like some, some positive things from some stuff that I've done. I've actually saw the most when I did this trisepatide run. So yeah, it was really interesting. I was telling the guys that, you know, it was like one of the things I didn't even do it with that intent. But because I was so low calorie for setting speed, I had never seen my skin issues get that resolved. And I've done lots of stuff.

I've even done stem cells. I've done all kinds of crazy expensive shit. The trisepatide and still right now, like my psoriasis is the best it's been since I was, since before I had it. And I got it when I was 25 years old and I've been battling with it ever since then, and it's never been this good. And I attribute that to, uh, and I originally attributed it to just being on that low a calorie from the trisepidide.

But after we got a chance to talk to Dr. Tina. There's some benefits for autoimmune issues. Yeah, she's saying that from her experience with all of her patients, she's seen a lot of positive benefits. And psoriasis was under that list of improvement that people had seen from it. And so what I don't know is, man, is it actually

from the trisepatite itself that it's benefiting my autoimmune? Or probably both, right? Low calorie with it. But that's something to consider too. I still would do the testing with Cabral, so you can, like, because there might be something myself. By the way, if there's nothing there, which we don't know until we do some more testing, but let's say there is nothing there, It could be definitely related to the brain injury that you received as a police officer, because if you, if you damage the, and this is why, I mean, when you said that the, you know, the gut brain access to the doctor was like, oh, there's nothing there.

Like, okay, what the hell's going on here? Yeah. If you damage the blood brain barrier or the vagus nerve or how, how, you know, the gut brain communicate through that process that could cost some things as well. But there could be some healing that you can get as well. And some of these peptides are actually have been shown to be beneficial for that. If you go to mphormones.com, that's where you talk to our partners there and there's

a doctor there that can prescribe stuff. But I would start with the functional medicine practitioner and then with them, you can work with, uh, peptides alongside your treatment or after if they find something after the treatment, you know, kind of solves whatever root issue they find. If there is one. Awesome. Do you think it would be beneficial to try to, cause I eat fairly frequently and I eat a lot to space that out or maybe

bring food down a little. This is why I think that I think you would benefit from the trisempetite. And by the way, I don't know if you relate to this at all, but, uh, one of the things that I told the guys that I I've been reflecting on myself is that, you know, most of my life, I've been trying to be big and bulky. Like I was a skinny kid, uh, when I was a teenager and most of my 20s and 30s, all the way into my 40s, I have been the guy eating a lot to be big. And even though I was eating healthy and working out and had low body fat percentage

and looked good, I justified how much I ate to be that way. And part of me is going through this process was like, man, maybe I've been working against my body for so long, even though I've been eating healthy foods, my body just doesn't want to be that big of a guy. And eating smaller portions and less has really, you know, benefited me. And so, you know, I don't know if that you relate to that at all, but that was what the I think part of these benefits from the trisepatitis was, it crushed my appetite. It reminded me of when I was in high school when I couldn't eat, when I was hungry. I remember like, God, I needed, I was trying to get bigger, but I was like, man, I had to eat so much more, but I was not, that's how I felt on this. And ironically, it made me feel the

best I've ever felt. And so I don't know if you can relate to that at all of being the skinny guy, trying to get big and always eating a lot, you know, you may have trained yourself. And what we don't realize is just because it's good, healthy food, you could be stressing your digestive system out. To support Adam, a calorie deficit reduces inflammation, period, end of story. So if you do eat a lot, cutting your calories,

going into a deficit, especially if you eat healthy food, you'll see a reduction in inflammation that just happens no matter what. And that almost always benefits autoimmune issues. And if you've never tested this, Zach, this is a good way without getting the testers' epizy, without going through all these tests, is like literally go on a 72-hour fast

and really be honest with yourself on how all the issues feel. I mean, you might feel- You'll feel better. You might feel tired, you may not feel strong, but pay attention to all the other stuff and how that feels and that might enlighten you a little bit on like man maybe this is the direction I need to go that's kind of what I got from it. Awesome cool I can definitely do that. All right all right brother thank you. Circle back Zach I mean whenever we have somebody who's who's we're trying to solve something like this with I always like to hear

As you go through are you in our private forum? I'm not okay I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Doug put you in our private forum and I'd love for you just to check in with us Every you know 30 60 days or so as you go through this process and hopefully together we can solve it Yeah, that'd be amazing. Thank you. All right, Zach. You got it Imagine going your doctor and be like, you know, my gut brain access, that doesn't exist. That shit pisses me off, dude. Oh my God, it pisses me off. It's so terrible that people get dismissed like that. And then you, and then, I mean, thank God you feel hopeless. I know. Or

you think like, oh, it's all that bullshit that's out there. People lie to me. My doctor told me this. No, you know, listen, here's the deal. Doctors are incredibly valuable and knowledgeable, but their scope is narrow but deep, right? So you see a, you know, you go to a doctor on a specific subject or for a specific, you know, like hormones, for example. Like they'll know hormones and they'll know it deep,

but they don't know outside of that much and they're not supposed to. So this, that's why this can, this is a nice way of you defending them. This is my take on it is there's a lot of shitty doctors, just that there's a lot of shitty trainers. There's a lot of shitty cops. There's a lot of shitty nurse. There's a lot of shitty people that do a lot of professions and just because they have a PhD doesn't separate them. That's that. That's the way it is.

It's a bottom. it's like trying to justify this percentage of them that there is. And there's, guess what, there's also a lot of great doctors, a lot of great trainers, a lot of great nurses, a lot of great cops. My point is a lot of them actually don't know. They just don't know these things, and so they comment on it.

Like I've had clients who've had- That's what makes you shitty though. Yeah, you're right. You shouldn't, if you don't know and you haven't furthered your education or learned about yourself, then you shouldn't. It's like an injury reaction. Yeah, exactly.

Just like as a trainer, hey, there was a time in my life when I wasn't a great trainer. I didn't know a lot, but I wasn't afraid to say, hey, I don't know, or let me look into that. To me, I might not be the smartest guy, but that makes me a better person than those other trainers that just bullshit or lie. It's like, same thing goes for that profession.

It's like, if you don't know, don't say anything. Cause those people take what doctors say as like gospel, gospel. They're all knowing cause they have a PhD. It's like, nah, it doesn't work that way. Our next caller is Casey from Washington. Casey. I feel like I know you. Are you the guy that talks shit all the time on social media comments on everything? Is that you? I have definitely not talking shit.

However, I did give Justin a hard time today in the Facebook forum because those landmine cleans on the performance advance were murder. So I love you, Justin. Screw you, man. You love it, dude. What are you talking about? I knew I recognized. How can we help you, man?

So I've been through about 11 Maps programs. I've got like six pages when I log into my stuff with you guys. And I am in the middle of Maps Performance Advanced right now. I've been through Anabolic twice. It was my first and had been my favorite program. Now Performance Advanced is my new favorite program. Yeah. Um, and while I'm one person wondering is about the skill aspect.

And so I started into this focusing on rotation and I've really have grown in that I'm 41 years old, I'm as flexible as I was in my twenties now, which feels great. Um, and it just, the core stability has gotten so much better. My range of motion. Um, I can see how it is going to benefit me as I progress to, to other programs and work on lifts. What I'm curious is, is I also want to work on my grip strength.

My, uh, I feel like my forearms are like Adam's calves. I just, no matter how hard I work on them, I can't. I like this guy even more. Shot across the bowel. That was not necessary in that fucking description. Very necessary. No, good description though. I think I know what they feel and look like.

Yeah. I'm glad you said that. Bad example though, cause those get worked like crazy, unlike your grip. So keep going. Yeah. But I have spent so much time focusing on it in the past. So I'm curious though, is like with the performance advanced, with the focus on the skills, should I go through performance

advanced twice in sequence? Once through focusing on rotation and then the next time through focusing on grip? Or is there a way to do them in tandem? No, I would do it run them back to back. You can do them in tandem too. You could but why not? Why not? Why not put all like why not focus on one because that program is not going to hurt for you to run it again. No, it's one of the few programs like performance, performance advanced like you could do them over and over and over and over and over again. And you're not gonna develop imbalances. Yeah, it really addressed, so I would run it again. I would, just so you could see the biggest bang you get for each one of them, right? So like if you're really focused on the rotation, I think it's awesome the progress you've already seen.

I'd wanna see it all the way through and just see how much can I pick you out on that. Here's something else, so what kind of grip, what are you looking to do with your grip? Is it just being able to hold onto things for longer? Is it the hypertrophy of the forearms, all of the above? Great question. I feel like my grip is definitely a limitation in terms of doing deadlift. And so I've gotten to a point where I'm maxing out at like 300 and I know I can lift more. And I've been

doing double overhand grip. And if I switch to an alternating grip, I can easily add 10 to 15 pounds, but I don't want to do that. I want to maintain that grip. And so I feel like the grip is where it's failing me. And also, I don't know if this is related, but when I do deadlift, and I start getting to a max or doing a, you know, certain weight for reps, I feel like I'm on the verge of like tearing or pulling my tricep. Um, I don't know if that's related to the grip strength at all. No.

Okay. Where are you pointing to? And are you sure it's your tricep and not an insertion? I, I, so, so it's like right up in here. So like when I, when I'm bent over and I'm locked in and I go to, and I'm doing it for reps any more than three I can feel it like pulling I can feel like a I feel like a rubber band is about to snap. That's not your tricep. It's way up in here. Yeah it's not your tricep.

It's either a lat attachment or one of the stabilizers the humerus. Yeah but it's not tricep that you're feeling so I would do some shoulder mobility hang from a bar a little bit and then try again and see if that if bicep that you're feeling. So I would do some shoulder mobility, hang from a bar a little bit, and then try again and see if that helps. And work on shoulder mobility. Yeah, see if that helps. Something else you could do now, Casey,

is this is just a little grip hack. And I did this for a little while when I was trying to get my grip stronger, and it actually worked really well. You can buy really cheap, like Amazon, ten bucks hand grippers and you have those. Yes okay so that's a really nice one you have the Captain's a Crush that's a legit one right how many of them I have it I have it in my car so like I'll just be driving and just like you know squeezing switching switching hands so here's

what you do every hour or every other hour pick a rep range that's about 50% intensity. You don't want to go more than that because otherwise you'll start to fry your forearms. So let's say you could do you know 30 reps and that really makes it a burn or whatever. Do 15 reps every hour. That's it 15 15 15 every hour. Not five sets, not three sets, one set 15 15 15 15 15. Next day, take a day off, the following day, do it again. After two or three weeks, add two reps.

Do that over time and your grip, I mean, it gets really strong and it feels easy, but it really does develop some serious grip strength. But it's gotta be low intensity, don't make it super high intensity. Gotcha, thanks for that. Usually when I'm in the car, this I drive the kids around and stuff I've got four kids and so I'll do like three sets of ten but it's but I'm not

like going to failure or anything. No literally like have it do you have a desk job what do you do for work? I sit at this desk I'm at all day. Yeah so I would have it next to me and every hour literally on the hour like I said do 50% intensity and do a set. One set for right, one set for left, put it down, the next hour do the same thing and do that every other day. Yeah frequency is going to be your best friend and once you get back to looking at the skill sessions for grip too all of that's like you know definitely programmed in there and especially the work capacity part of it the the endurance of, you know, if you incorporate more farmer carries and suitcase carries and things where we're holding

heavy weight, but we're sustaining that weight and we're controlling that weight, that's really going to translate well to deadlifts. Totally. By the way, there's nothing wrong with using techniques to hold onto the bar. So alternate grip, the only challenge with the alternate grip is if you stick with the same hand that's supinated, you'll develop an imbalance. You have to switch back and forth. Have you tried doing a hook grip and Olympic hook? It takes a while to get used to, but I use a hook grip double overhand.

Um, cause if I grab without a hook grip, double overhand, there's no way I could pull, you know, the way that I could pull otherwise. Have you tried that? I haven't, I haven't tried the hook grip yet with the thumbs underneath. There's just been a normal double overhand. Practice it out. That's almost mandatory to get.

I don't know any guys that. I don't know anybody that can double overhand with no hook grip. Double overhand, you're pre-limited. Yeah. I would go hook grip, chalk, and practice. It'll take you about a month to get used to doing the hook grip But that's how I would be

There's some good videos on improving your hook grip on YouTube check them out We haven't done any but we I know I've seen some so look that up and and sounds that's like I don't know anybody that Probably can deadlift over 450 that doesn't do a hook grip. No Yeah, most most any once you get over, once you get over four or 500 pounds, like even get to that level, you normally have to be hooked gripping to be holding no double over. Okay. Awesome.

Great. I did have a follow up question about the skill sessions. The skill sessions have been some of my favorite parts of the performance advanced program, um, not only because it's helping well, a lot of it because it's helping my core stability, I was curious about possibly using that to substitute a little bit of the trigger sessions and anabolic just at a lower volume. Absolutely. Yeah, for sure.

This is a cool part about someone like you who's, who's owns most of our programs. Right. And you're starting to figure out programming. Yeah. You can start to, you can start to play with things like that right that and say anabolic I love but I want to add this little bit of our performance component understanding that you don't want to overdo it and so maybe reducing a bit of the volume but yeah, no this is that's a great example of that.

Sweet awesome. Thank you guys appreciate it. Right on dude. Thanks brother. Take care. Bye. Yeah, I'm glad we got to the grip part, you know, like hook grip and stuff like yeah I mean you if you don't use a hook grip or an alternate grip your especially been lifting for a while It's really rare for someone to be able to hold on to the bar without using one of those I think I'm so glad you said it too because When you watch people doing it in the videos, you can't tell. You can't tell. They just look like they're double-O'ed.

Yeah, you think they're just doing double-O'ed, but I'm telling you right now, if someone's doing over 400 pounds with double-O', that's rough. It's almost guaranteed they're hook gripping. Yeah, that's about where I, when I got about 400 after that, it's like. Yeah, no.

It's not gonna happen. But yeah, I mean, I'm glad, and Mass Performance Advanced is a phenomenal program. And the way he described how it makes you feel is exactly what people are experiencing. Is you're going to feel really good. You're gonna feel like you can move and feel like you can move in any direction

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