Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2371: How to Avoid Metabolism Slowdown When Dieting, the Best Form of TRT, How to Maximize the Benefits of GLP-1s & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

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Here's something a lot of people don't consider when it comes to their health and fitness, your friends, the people around you, studies show that the people around you can have a profound impact on the way you eat, how active you are and how consistent you are with your workouts. In other words, if you hang out with a bunch of unhealthy people and you start to make fitness and health a priority, prepare to be challenged. It can be quite difficult for the people around you to watch you change so drastically. It tends to make them feel either insecure or like they're losing a friend or maybe you

can't connect with those people anymore because you used to like to do late night drive throughs at Taco Bell and now you don't anymore. So the relationships around you are profoundly impactful on your health and fitness. Consider this, you don't necessarily need to change it, but just consider it. Do you think this has a lot to do with some of the alarming stats that we see in regards to

obesity continue to rise, depression to rise, suicide to rise, do you think that all of these things are either directly or indirectly connected to our relationships with people or lack of social creatures? Yeah, dude. There's everything that we do as humans is connected or affected, I should say, or influenced by relationships.

Good question, but gosh, name something that isn't. I mean, I actually think it is, and I think it's largely that, and the reason why I think it's largely connected to that is because I think we don't realize it. And we don't realize it because we think because of social media, text messaging, and our ability to connect to each other virtually has increased. Right? So I bet if I asked you guys, like the amount of family members or amount of friends that our ability to connect to each other virtually has increased, right? So I bet if I asked you guys like the amount

of family members or amount of friends that you connect to if you count people on Instagram and Facebook, stuff like that, in a week or what like that, is it higher or lower than what it was say two decades ago, you would say it's higher. For sure, just because of via text and whatever. But yeah, but as far as, but the, how important it is that we actually get in front of somebody

and talk to them in person, it matters so much more. Hugely, and you know, along the lines of what I'm talking about, like you guys, I'm sure you guys experienced this growing up, when you really started getting into fitness where you go out to eat with your friends and they're like, oh, come on, you know, what's the big deal, or have this, or who cares, or.

That's a challenge. Like, if you're just getting started and you're trying to find a way to be consistent and the friends around you are like, just have the pizza, who cares, or just. And you're like, look, I don't want to, I just got started, I want to be consistent. And they just don't get it, or they'll shame you,

or they'll make you feel like you're neurotic or crazy. I mean, that makes it really tough. And I remember, I recall the data on bariatric surgery. I remember this managing gyms. We used to, I used to manage, you guys did too, location across the street from the hospital, Santa Teresa 24 Fitness. They had a gastric bypass

or bariatric surgery clinic there. And I remember working with one of their practitioners and they, and I asked them, I said, what are the things you guys, cause they have to do like a, uh, like a S like an analysis, psychological analysis before the person does the procedure. Like what kind of things do you find? They said, well, the rate of, um, substance abuse sometimes goes up when that made sense to me, like, okay, you're okay, you're not medicating with food, so a lot of times people reach for other things.

And then they said one that blew me away, but then when you think about it, it makes sense. The rate of divorce between a couple, when one couple does the bariatric surgery and loses a lot of weight, so let's say you have two couples that are really, really obese, one of them decides I'm doing the surgery and I lose a hundred pounds. The divorce rate doubles for that couple doubles.

So it's a huge divorce risk for one of them to lose weight. And at first you think, how's that possible? One of them became healthier, maybe lost some weight, became more mobile, but it's because the people around us, we often connect with not just the good things, but the bad things. So oftentimes we connect with people with- Co-miserate. Yeah, bad habits.

And what happens, it becomes a mirror. It's like when you have your drinking buddies, and that's how you guys connect, then you stop drinking. And to them, it's like, well, you're sober, I'm over here drinking. It's like a reflection. Don't make me, I don't wanna drink by myself, or maybe I got a problem, I don't wanna think about that.

You're the one that's a party pooper. There's so many aspects to that too. And I mean, like I've seen this even with like effort trying to improve in, in be successful in my career or, you know, move forward and grow and, and, and do all these things where, you know, I've gotten the feedback sometimes from friends where it's like, you need to slow down. You're doing too much stuff. You got to, like, what are you doing? I spend actually probably more time with my family than most people, which is the irony of this whole thing.

And it's like, it's just a mindset that shifted and it's different. It's a hard conversation sometimes because now all of a sudden, you don't match with the same people maybe that you grew up with. It's just an evolution and that's a hard transition for a lot of people when they're trying to cling on to an identity they've built. I'm going to continue to address the problem that I think is more important in this conversation, which is that because those people, I think, they listen to David Goggins and they've got some, and they're connected virtually to these people that are actually positive

and motivating and saying good things or are healthy and fit. So they might have some of these friends that you guys are talking about right now that maybe don't align with them, but then they've found their community or people online. The processed food of relationships, online relationships. It's artificial, yeah.

And you have to share, because that's why I think this is going past so many people. And they think that, oh, that's not me. Because I do have some of those friends, but I don't hang out with them very much. I have this Facebook group that are all positive people. We're all heading in the same direction. We're all trying to lose weight.

And so they think that they're actually solving that problem that you're talking about right now, but it don't realize that they're missing out on an important piece of that, and that's the connection that we get in person that you can't get online. No. And that's the, it's what, the oxytocin, right,

that you get when you're in person. I mean, that's what we identify chemically. We identify that it doesn't cause the same chemical cascade or reactions when you meet with someone in person versus when you meet with them on FaceTime or virtually, let alone text or social media, which is even worse. It's literally the processed food of relationships.

It gives you something, right? Like if you're starving, processed food is food, better than nothing, right? Like if you're starving, processed food is food better than nothing, right? So if you have, if you're like completely isolated, texting with people, FaceTiming, getting on social media, connecting with a group, it's good. But by no means let it replace actual relationships. And I mean, the data is clear. They show this with especially adolescents and teenagers. They have more connections to more people through technology, but their real relationships are lower than previous generations. And this is, in terms of just intensity,

how much time they spend outside of the house with their friends and so on, and just the amount of close friends they have, that, many researchers are saying, is probably directly causing the anxiety and depression epidemic that you're seeing. Well, for sure the depression, right? Because oxytocin is the feel-good hormone, right?

So if it's impossible for us. It's bonding. Yeah, if it's bonding, feel-good hormone, and if you are neglecting those relationships, but yet you have a bunch online, it's not weird that you would be depressed because you're missing that. Along those lines, I saw a cool study by the Gottmans.

And I know we do, we all love their content. The best research for married couples that you'll find anywhere. Incredible, right? So, and I hadn't seen this one. I don't know if you guys have or not too, but you know they actually measured like how long and how to get oxytocin two release.

So for example, they actually had the math. I love this. And by the way, I already put it to practice because I just wanted to see like, see if it would feel different or work. So it takes a 20, a 20 second hug or a six second kiss to get oxytocin to release. Is that why you kissed me? Yes, that's why I slipped to the tongue and everything. Whoa! Too far. I don't think I was in the room for that. It was a long kiss.

I was like, wow, dude. I was counting. Way longer than usual. 1,000, 2,000, 3. So but think about that for a second. Clean some teeth there. Even the reason why I thought that was really cool and why I So it can't be just a quick hug.

Exactly. It's going to be embraced. I do that with like I. Yeah, you do feel the difference with that. A nice long hug. I don't know if maybe I got one longer because he knew what just happened with Katrina. Bro, we have to try hugging Justin for that long.

No. No way to let us down. I dare you. We have to grapple him to do it. Hold him. Hey, so I've done it twice since I read the study, right? So I did it twice. Once of it one time was with Jordan Shallow,

because we had, yeah, Shallow, and I felt like he- I had a good long hug with him too. Yeah, so I felt like he embraced me a little bit. Was it 20 seconds? Yeah, it was a good long sec. You didn't see us- That's a long hug, bro.

It's a really long time. He was in there. Oh, you weren't there for that, yeah. It's almost like you're just cuddling now. Yeah, well remember, like, he had- That's so awkward. He hadn't seen me since Katrina, and he sent flowers to Katrina and everything like that, so you could tell he was now. Yeah, well remember, like, he hadn't seen me since Katrina. And he sent flowers to Katrina and everything like that.

And so you could tell he was concerned. And so he held me, and he embraced me for a while. And I embraced him back. And that went in my head, so I probably held it a little bit longer. I don't know if it made him uncomfortable or not. But is he busy? Did he let go?

No, no, no, he totally did. He was totally holding me. And I did to Katrina when I first saw Katrina when we got back. And she got emotional, and she cried. And and so I didn't tell she doesn't know this I mean told her this because it literally I just had read it before we went to Vegas and then you know, honey I was just doing experiment Don't say that you're watching It is a abnormally long hug, that's forever is a long time

It is a really long time but practice it, that's forever. It is a long time. It is a really long time. But practice it now and just see if you notice a difference. I don't know if I want to do that with anybody. It's that long. You know what I mean? My wife, my kids. The 20 second hug challenge. Yeah, well, I'm not encouraging you

do what random strangers you don't like. But I mean, like, if it. You know what? I'm going to try that. You know what I do. That'd probably be good for you too, though. Let's go. Yeah.

You know what I do when I really, like, really, really want to show a buddy of mine that I really love them? I don't do a 20 second hug. That feels kind of awkward. But maybe I should try. But I do when I really like really really want to show a buddy of mine that I really love them I don't do a 20 second hug that feels kind of awkward, but maybe I should try but I do a kiss I'll typically hug them and then I'll kiss them on the head right on the cheek, but I was raised that way right So it's a six second kiss or a 20 second with that one Yeah, so that's why the probably the hug is probably you're better out 100% 100% I'm gonna catch you off-guard Justin. And we're gonna do a long fucking high throw. It's not your fault.

It's not your fault. I'll see it coming a mile away. I'll rub your lower back. Hey, how crazy is that though? Because they don't say that in the movie, right? And good will hunting when he does that. But obviously that is the science, or the reason for that.

That makes sense. It totally makes sense. Think about when you're like, all of us have been in that state, right? Where you're fighting some internal demons. It lowers your guard, man in that state, right, where you're fighting some internal demons. It lowers your guard, man. Totally, think about that. You're fighting some internal demons,

you got some shit going on, but you know, we're guys, so we're like, I'll bury that real good. And I'll imagine if someone hugs you and holds you, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, fuck, let go, it's coming out. Right, no, for an odd amount of time. So I thought that was so fascinating

that they had done the research to see how long it takes for the oxytocin to release. And since that is the hormone that is so important to this personal connection that we have, that you now have a scientific approach of getting it delivered to you by going out of your way. And I even thought from the kissing thing too, I did the same thing when I kissed her.

So I hugged her and kissed her for that long. Did you make out or was it kissing? No, I just held it. Yeah, I held her for that time. And then I kissed her for like in for a long six seconds like that. And now granted there, she didn't see me, everything that was going on. And so I'm sure that's really why she cried. But the point being that I now know that now and I'm intentionally going to do that with like family and friends that I want to embrace. Yeah,'m intentionally going to do that with like family and friends that I want to embrace. But you want to really do that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice. Isn't that interesting though? That's nice, but it makes me uncomfortable, which means I should do it. Right. You know? Because that's a long hook. I did the same thing too.

I was like, that's a really long hook. Fuck! 20 second hold? Yeah, yeah. That's a cuddle. Yeah, you might have to tell them. Where do your hands go? I'm going to hold you for 20 seconds.

Hey, give us instructions. what do I do my head Justin would be the guy that would you hug him and after about five seconds he put his arms down like all right let go put his hands in between you slide out I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know,

I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like gonna get into details, I don't feel like crying. But it was really, really fucking scary, okay? Really scary shit. And we go to Vegas for this event, you know, and you were not feeling well at all. And you decided to leave a day early,

and the second that decision happened, you felt fine. How weird is that? I mean, your body was like, you and Katrina, I mean, and I know, you told me she never, she's always okay with you going off to work. But you was really weird. Your body was like, you and Katrina, I mean, and I know you told me she never, she's always okay with you going off to work. Yeah, yeah. But you told me she had kind of expressed like, I'm scared.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was the first time she ever had. Really took me a while to connect those dots. I mean, maybe for somebody else, that's normal. I don't feel like I suppress feelings like that and do that. I've never really had a lot of like, you know, gut stuff going on because of stress in my life.

For whatever reason, the other practices I've done, or just that's not my personality, I express it, I talk about it. But this was different. And what made me actually connect those dots was that I was like, you know, I have been saying to you guys, right, that like that was the literally the scariest thing

that's ever happened to me in my life. Hands down, bar none, I can't even think of the closest thing. You literally, if you don't mind me saying, you literally thought at least a few times she was gonna die. Yeah, yeah, there was at least two moments where I like, you know, cried and got scared and prayed and like I thought like, yeah,

I was really, really worried like that. And it wasn't for a moment, it was like know a period of time days that I had all this feeling and when I was in it I think that there was a maybe this responsibility as the husband and everything like that that I felt that I had to be strong and yeah you can't you got to rise up right right and then there was the ride afterwards. Oh, relief, we're okay, we made it. And then it was like, instantly we're off to- We're right back to the usual. Yeah, we're out of here to Vegas, we're off to work.

Processing, yeah. And a trip that she was supposed to be there on, a trip she knew that I couldn't cancel because of the commitment to all the people. And so, and she's, you know, she knew that. And she knew she probably didn't wanna put that pressure on me, but I could tell the night before

when she expressed it to me. Which she never- Never does. No, she expressed it to me, but she never never does no she's mrs Like you know she's a rock well. You're the warrior, and she's like go fight the battle Yeah, I'll be here when you get back. Yeah, I per person yeah Yeah, but you could tell that she she would not just tell she's expressed it that she really didn't want me to go your body Was oh no, bro. Yeah, just and it was the weirdest thing because I felt like I knew I wasn't sick. You don't look right either. I was worried like you know me I'm a hypochondriac. I'm like is this fucker sick? I know you kept bringing him to dinner and he couldn't barely get through his dinner. That's not like Adam. No you left your big ass expensive ass steak on the table. I know I took one bite and I just got up and I just

bounced and I know it might have felt rude to our guests and stuff like that, but I didn't even know how to explain what the fuck I was feeling. You know what I'm saying? So I was just like, that was part of why I just bolted, because I'm like, what do I tell everybody? Uh, I have this weird, knotted feeling in my stomach, I just gotta go, like I don't know. I just, it was.

I just brought you medicine, that's what I do. I always have medicine on me. I went to his room, I got something for your tummy. Carries that little purse with me. Don't worry, when you laugh though, don't worry about it. Justin just becomes Mr. Charming fucking, hey, hey. I'm just happy. Just had a good time.

Hey, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Well, you know, and we'll continue on. Everybody has their last. Everybody starts juggling. Yeah. Like, yeah, try, let's distract, you know? No. I'm like the distractor.

Since we're handing out compliments, you know, to Justin, Let's distract. No. I'm like the distractor. Since we're handing out compliments to Justin, and this is what I love about him is I didn't have to ask it. I didn't say anything. He obviously recognized that in me. And typically, when it comes to relationships with people in our business, that kind of falls in my lap. We tend to, Adam will handle the partnerships and handle the relationships with our friends and stuff like that. I like that, that kind of falls in my lap, right? We tend to, you know, Adam will handle the partnerships and handle the relationships

with our friends and stuff like that. Like I like that. So I don't mind assuming that role. You like it and you're good at it. And I was not in that mode at all because of how I felt. And so, and that can cause a little bit of stress for me, like, fuck, I know, I know I need to do this. That's part of what I do.

And Justin just kind of slid right in and just really did that for our guest and the people that were around. It was such a huge relief for me to not feel that pressure added on top of that. So it all worked out and you're right, the moment that I committed to going home early. Boom, felt better. Yeah, and I came home no symptoms.

You had to look at relief on your face. It was just, oh. Yeah. Yeah, and she was like, she cried that I came home early. Was she surprised? Yeah, well up until like, yeah, cuz I thought they ruined the surprise. Well, they didn't ruin it, but you know, she knew that Jerry was coming home early and then my sister-in-law was gonna bring the car to our house and I'm like, you do know that makes no sense if I'm coming home with you. Okay, now that we said such nice, loving things about you,

I can bring this up. So speaking of cars, right? So we had, we all signed up. No, I gotta say this to you. Come on. I gotta say this to you. All right, go ahead, go ahead, do your thing. Speaking of cars, we all signed up to race exotic cars.

They have this thing in Vegas, right? Where are you gonna? Awesome, by the way. Dude, one of the great experiences we've done so far. Yes, and you sign up and you get a Ferrari or a Porsche or whatever and you get to race it. And of course, natural competitive, everybody here, like who's he's the fastest or whatever.

And we'll talk about the winner later, because I know that they're probably listening, just, oh, tell everybody I won. We'll let everybody know, buddy, don't worry about that. We're gonna bleep his name out. I thought we were just gonna keep it with the guys in the room. He'll tell everybody I won. We'll let everybody know, buddy. Don't worry about that. We're going to bleep his name out. Even if the guy's in the room. He'll tell everybody.

But the car guy didn't last. I felt so bad for you. I saw your name. I was like, oh, Adam's not going to like this. Bro, it was so irony. Mr. Exotic Car. I was. And can I tell you this too? OK, so remember the story I've told

many times where you know, I was cocky and thought the you this too? Okay, so remember the, remember the story I've told many times where, um, you know, I was cocky and thought the girls wanted to take a picture with me and they wanted me to hold the camera. Okay. So I had the same type of a feeling. Did you get out of the car feeling like, Oh, I didn't even get out of the car. When I was on lap by lap four, I had already lapped two cars and I thought you guys were those two cars. And I literally was like, Oh, these guys, they're, they're afraid to push it this hard. I had already lapped two cars and I thought you guys were those two cars.

And I literally was like, Oh, these guys, they're, they're afraid to push it this hard. I already started to like kind of let up cause I was like, I didn't just beat these guys. I like smoke, smoke these guys cause I'm already lapping them on here. So yes. And I don't want to use that as an excuse that I let up. I 100% thought that I was doing that well. And what a chump I was to think that cause I didn't. I 100% thought that I was doing that well and what a chump I was to think that because I didn't just get beat. I was last place and I had every

bit the expectation to be better than everybody else. It was literally like, okay, who's going to come in second? Who will be close to me? And I came in last place. And then Doug, I get out and I'm so angry and Doug took it personal because I'm looking at Doug's name about, Doug beat me. And Doug's, I, what's the deal with me? And he's like, I, you don't think I could drive them? Like, no, it's not a personal attack on you. It was the Justin comes in. I was the expectations I have for myself on that.

I thought for sure I would smoke. Well, I mean, you guys drove the first, was it both you guys drove the first? Pistas. Yeah. Yeah. Look to your credit, first of all, he has very very fast car also a hard car to drive fast, right? Well, it I mean it's a race car, but you can't just I mean I picked an easy car I got the Acura NSX two reasons. I like the car. Yeah as a kid. I've always liked it's also an easy car to drive

You know you drive one of a Ferrari or what? NSX is a middle mid-engine and and I mean, you and I had equal difficulty. You don't need to give me any more handouts. We should have been all the, we should have, Justin definitely had the advantage with the best car. And everybody, and you know that because- I felt the pressure of that, because you could hype that up so much.

Right, right. In the beginning I was like, You had the, what was it, the Porsche what? The GT2 RS. Yeah, the GT3 or GT2, yeah. I tell you what though, for the audience, listen, when you go racing, I love driving fast. I drive too fast often, as the editors will tell you,

if they've driven with me many times up the trucky. But there's a difference between driving fast and race driving. Race, yeah. When you get in there, first off, a pro driver does two laps in a Porsche SUV. It's not even the fastest one, by the way. It's like the 400 horsepower one, not the 600.

They do an easy lap, then the second lap, this pro driver is showing you how to drive. And in an SUV, I'm like, okay. This is a flip? He's hitting turns without slowing down at all. He's hitting turns at like 100 miles an hour. Yeah, I'm like, this car's gonna flip. It feels like it's gonna roll.

It's crazy. So, it's something to get used to. I've never driven like that before. Every turn felt like this was too like it's gonna roll. It's crazy. So you just it's something to get used to I've never driven like that before Yeah, every turn felt like drive hard like and the guy you know, the guy with you is like you could go faster I'm like I can I mean that's the part that The why I related to the kind of embarrassing thing like I like the arrogance that I had to think these girls want to get Picked me the arrogance that I had that I would be so fast You know I'm saying I even told my driver when I first got out and said, Hey, you know, just, you know, I have one of these and I want to work on sliding out. So, and he looks at me, he's like, yeah, you're

not going to be sliding anywhere. And I'm like, and literally, I'm sure. Right. And I'm, and I'm really like, Oh, little does he know, you know, watch this. And it's, you're the guy, you're the guy that goes, goes, you know, I would lift weights. I just don't want to get too big. You know what I mean? And I was like, okay, buddy. Yes, I saw, it was like one of those asshole moments for me where I was just like, oh, cringe, dude, I can't believe.

It was super fun, dude. Okay, to your credit, you look the coolest in the cars, for real, you belong in the car. I'll tell you that right now. I look the coolest. Yeah, you do. Hey, I mean, I'll be honest, I was just gunning for Sal, because he's been beating me the last few times

with carnival games. I did. I got you this time. And I lost to this one. Yeah. You didn't get last, though. I guess we should bring up the real winner of all this. Maybe we'll say his name later.

Steve won. Oh! But I want to give you. Dude, he crushed us. He did. He did. But here's the thing, though. And Doug totally called him out. I'm so glad. Doug, I did not see... I was telling this story to Katrina about... I said, oh man, boy, did Steve give it to us

because he was, you know, he wanted to win. He's competitive like all of us, right? He's definitely competitive. And he won. He blew all of us away. Like four seconds. No, it was just a second. No, was it? It was one second. One second. One second? Yeah. Are you sure? Full second. That's fast. Yeah, it wasn't. It was one second. One second. One second?

Yeah. Are you sure? Full second. Yeah, that's fast. That's fast. A lot. Which is fast. Four seconds.

I thought it was four seconds. I'll double check it. You got out and had a sandwich by the time we finished. Four seconds? Yeah, four seconds in a lifetime, bro. It was a whole seconds long time. We were all hundreds of a second away from each other. Pull up the picture, Doug.

Yeah, I'm going to pull it up. Yeah, yeah, because he texted us a hell of a people. Yeah. So I'm sure we'll find it in one of the threads. But listen, listen. Yeah, I'm going to pull it up. Yeah, yeah, because he texted it to a hell of people. Yeah. So I'm sure they'll find it in one of the threads. But listen, listen. It is four seconds. So we're at dinner.

Pissed we brought it up. We're at dinner, right? I thought he got a minute, and we got 104. Anyway, go ahead. No, I don't think so. I think it was 102 to 104, maybe. That's what, if I recall. Anyways.

So we're all very competitive, obviously, right, as you can tell. So he's talking about it. And you could tell we're all sour that we lost to him, right? So it's cool. Besides the fact that Steve's telling everybody. Yeah. Everybody we meet. Well, that's why.

That's why I said. Hey, how you doing? And it was great. Of all of us, Doug is always the most passive, easy going. So whenever he says something and's wise, he's wise. Whenever he says something and you know it's like you're starting to annoy him and you can tell that that was starting to annoy him a little bit

because Steve makes this point, he goes, he goes, yeah, well, I got online and I researched what car had the best acceleration from all the, From the 0-60. And it was the Corvette. And he goes, so that's why I picked it. And so Doug, like, interested, he goes, hold on, let me get this straight.

We all picked cars that we wanted to drive because we were passionate about those cars and you chose a car just so you could win? Yeah. Yeah. It's just, he goes, okay, I just want to make that clear. Did you find it? Yeah, so I believe he was 101.

I don't actually have his here. Justin came in at 103, almost 104. And we were 104. It's not four seconds. This is my point. That's my only point. But it was, I mean, he smoked us. He did.

Hey, Steve gotta win. But look, I'm gonna say this. Two things. First of all, I gotta say this right now. So, and there's always this guy in the group, okay? Steve is the guy in our group. He is, he's this guy. There's always the guy in the group

that doesn't quite understand how to talk shit. There's like a skill to talking shit to your buddies where you can get it and it's funny and then there's that line between that and annoying. He goes a little in the, you know, because he doesn't know how to quite do it, but I hung out with him a lot the day after we hung out and I think he just, he's trying to just,

he wants to get in and just have fun talk shit well it's I'm gonna tell him like listen you got to be you know talk shit less because you're getting your little too well that's it's a it's that's the same it's just that's the same person always anytime you have like a like a click okay like we have created with ourselves here the four of us have been together for a long time and we've've built, here's the thing too, that in his defense, because it's an unusual bond. Like I have best friends that I go all the way back to childhood in. I think what we've built is even crazier

because the amount of time that we have spent in story. It's harder to get into this world. Yes, this is like a, this is really solidified. So to like try and get in there and to try and force yourself in there, that's tough to do bro. That's real tough. That's what I mean. He's trying. Yeah. I hung out with him. I hung out with him. He's feeling his way through it. I hung out with him. We, him and I worked out together

one morning and then we had some breakfast and we got to talk. The guy is really, really smart when it comes to investments. You sit down and talk with him about that kind of stuff. I mean, that's where him and I, I really enjoy conversations with Steve. Like he's- And he takes fatherhood very seriously too. If you hear him talking about being a dad. He's very, very, yeah.

He's very serious about fatherhood. He's very, he speaks highly of his wife and his relationship. I mean, he has a lot of qualities that we admire in each other. Yeah, he's got a lot of integrity. He's very business savvy. Obviously, this is the reason why we've given him basically

the keys to one of our businesses. And he understands markets. He understands real estate. We have a lot in common. I think that's the part that I think is funny. It's like there's no need to force it. You don't need to force anything. Like you already got enough stuff in common

that we will build a relationship. You just need to recognize that we've put so many more hours in it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. It'll unfold, yeah, as we go. Yeah, you don't get to slide in and be best friend right away, bro. I mean, fuck, Justin didn't even like Sal for like two years, dog. I did it.

Two years, dog, you know what I'm saying? Like before Justin even liked Sal. It's so weird, because I like Adam right away. I don't understand why that was the case. I mean, I'm way more likable than that. I was worried. Way more likable than that guy. That's what it was.

Sal has cult smell all over him, you know what I'm saying? likeable than that guy. I was worried. Way more likeable than that guy. I was worried. Sal has colt smell all over him. Oh yeah, yeah. What? I don't have a colt smell. What? Like a colt leader, you know what I'm saying? Oh, colt. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought you meant colt like a horse. No, no. Like I smell like a little horse? No, no, like a colt leader. Like Sal's got that side to him, where I don't have that side to him. Disarming in that way. We had a good time.

It was a good time. I like how, by the way, shout out to, what was the restaurant, Prime Steakhouse? If you go to Prime Steakhouse Restaurant Bellagio and you're not wearing slacks, they will give you slacks. They will actually provide you slacks. They have slacks at the back. Steve showed up in shorts to a very expensive steakhouse.

He was not happy about this. They weren't letting him in. They took him in the back and gave him slacks. Amazing, what a great, like that's smart, because they don't want you to do one. Well, I mean, that's common when you have a slacks. Amazing, what a great, like that's smart. Because they don't want to do one. Well, I mean, that's common when you have a place that requires a suit or a jacket, that they have jackets. I've never been anywhere they have pants.

That's interesting. Exactly. And it is kind of weird though. I would have rather preferred the jacket. It is kind of weird that you can get in with a t-shirt, but you can't get in with, you can't get in with. Especially when it's 109 degrees. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Hopefully they'll wash those pants.

You don't want to come home with an STD without having sex. Oh, God. How'd you get these? Pants? I don't believe you, that's bullshit. No, seriously, you gotta ask him. Anyway.

Oh, speaking of that. Yeah. No, no, speaking of no pants, no shirts, or anything like that, this is a perfect time to tell the story to happen to Justin. Oh! So, listen to this.

Oh, you're jumping! No, no, I'm not jumping, no, God. Here's the story. It's too embarrassing. Listen to this. Oh, you're jumping. No, no, I'm not jumping. No, God, here's the story. It's too embarrassing. Listen to this. This is so good. This is epic. This was one of my favorite moments ever.

Especially considering it happened to Justin, right? It would have been less funny if it was Sal or I. And my life was there. So it was like, he was your I part. So listen, we're all, so Sal had just given us talk. And one of the things that we all did to catch clips of him, we were all recording. So we all got clips of Sal doing recordings and that. And he wanted to send some stuff to his wife and his family. So, hey, could you guys send me over whatever clips

or pictures you took of me speaking so I can send it to my family? And all of us pull our phones out right away and we're like, send it over. And I must have took like five or six pictures and some of that, and then so did everybody else. So you know when you send photos in a group, they come as a group.

So you go on your photos, you go select, select, select, select, select, and then you send over like four. Yeah, like a file of them. Yeah, like a file of them that go over. And so we all are sending those over to Sal, and we're all sitting around brunch, and Courtney's there too, so is Jerry, and then I think all of us are there, and Steve,

and we're sitting there, and Sal's starting to go. I'm looking at my phone, and I'm like, I'm really confused, I'm like, Justin sent me a video of me talking and then a picture of him with his shirt off. It's not just a picture of them shirt off. It is like, uh, this is like, this is definitely going to his wife. That's what that was. It was like pulling down the drawers. It was the lighting half flex. Like you're gonna get fucked. Look, that's what that was. It was not just a shirt.

There's a difference. I't have a look on my face That was first. Hey, that's the pig right before the other That was the pig right before the other pig There's a pic that follows that pic that comes right afterwards when the wife goes, oh yeah, you're getting it when I get home When the wife goes, oh yeah, you're getting it when I get home. OK, honey. Oh yeah. Hey, babe, look at my car. That's what it was one of those days.

I mean, it's kind of like poetic justice for making fun of you guys for so long. That's why it was so good. About your exchanges of, and I even brought that up in the live event. And I was just like, man, this is so like coming back to haunt me. It's so out of your character to send a picture like that

to anybody. That's why- In between the confines of my house, not in front of my friends. That's so great. That's why it was so good. I died. I think I laughed like straight 12 hours straight. I was so embarrassed, bro.

I couldn't wait to share that. Were you really embarrassed or were you like- I mean, normally I don't get embarrassed about anything. I'm serious. You can't- He turned red. I saw him. He did. I'm serious like it you can't you turn red I saw him. Yeah, but because like I've made such a stink about like

Oh, I never did like flex from Not that guy You said it's your boy and now you guys know it's like it's like a great reveal He could never tell that story about us again, That's like one of his go-to stories. He loves to tell everybody how like when Sal and Jack, when Adam and Sal first met, they send each other half naked pictures. He always talks about that. Now you guys are just going to look at me like, oh really Justin? He will never bring that up again. Thank God it came to us. You imagine accidentally sending that shit to someone else? It's like group text for you guys. Yeah, like your handos. Thank God it came to us. You might actually send that shit to someone else

That was one of my favorite parts of the trip Sorry, so I interrupted what you were gonna go but that was too good of a time to share Yeah, I So the Google AI, you know that they've already had issues with like, you know, some weird like suggestions and stuff and like, so apparently like off to bring up like some of these examples, but one of them was, um, it was, they're asked it about like cockroaches. If you're like in the middle of the night, you know how they have like, um, some information about like spiders that enter, like you eat so many, like every, like every like you eat so many spiders. Oh yeah, like every person eats on average eight spiders

in their sleep every year, something like that. So they said something about like, can cockroaches like make their way into your penis? And it like went through this whole thing about like validating like, oh yeah, this is super common and cockroaches will make their way into your penis and blah, blah, blah. The AI said that?

The AI was saying all this stuff like to validate that. And, oh my God, let me pull this up. You know, they call these hallucinations. I don't think so. Oh, the AI's hallucinating? Yeah, they say hallucinations cause they'll lie, but they're finding out the AI will wolf, like basically is trying to lie. It says, can cockroaches live in your penis?

And it says, usually over the course of a year, five to 10 cockroaches will crawl into your penis hole while you're asleep. This is how they got the name cockroach. That's one real answer. Here's another one. Smoking while pregnant. It says doctors recommend smoking two to three cigarettes per day during pregnancy. What? Listen, it's just AI is fucking with guys. Okay, so yeah, but is AI or are these engineers that troll or trolling people by, is this like, okay, remember when all the Disney illustrators did all these like sex things in the background and stuff like that? No.

It wasn't Disney doing that. That was people messing with it. You don't think these are people messing with AI? No, AI, they call this hallucinations. Look at this one. According to the geologists at UC Berkeley, you should eat at least one small rock per day. They say that rocks are a vital source of mineral.

Again, so if we're trying to now offload and delegate all this stuff to AI, and they're already fucking it up. 1919 was 20 years ago. How can we really take that as? They call them hallucinations? Was it cyanide has not been reported to directly cause birth defects in people? Wow. That's terrible information. Cause it kills you. Yeah, that's right. You won't get a birth defect. We got a ways to go. I guess.

Yeah. They explain these as hallucinations that, but they're lies. They're outright lies. And there's no evidence at all. hallucinations that but their lies their outright lies and there's no evidence at all the AI isn't already Working to figure out how to mess things up. It's already out there. We have no idea That's so weird five to ten cockroaches or pee hole a year. Yeah Speaking of AI have you guys seen this new app called I think it's called cocoa note Speaking of AI, have you guys seen this new app called, I think it's called CocoNote? CocoNote?

No. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Uh-uh. Okay. I know CocoMelon. So CocoNote, I think I'm saying it right. Maybe you can fact check me, is this new AI tool where,

and this is gonna be used in colleges, where you just set it on and you let the app record the lecture and it breaks it up, outlines it, flashcards it for all. I have heard about this. Yeah. Can you imagine that? So it literally organizes notes. It makes flashcards.

You put your phone there and then they like. And don't even show up. You just have your boy. You're like, hey, could you record a. Wow. Is this it right here? Yeah. Yeah, you got it. Never take notes again.

So it actually does it for you and breaks it out and flashcards and organizes it like. At what point do you think they're gonna be like, we don't need to know anything. Just make sure you use your AI partner and know how to work with them. How funny is that? Look at, did you see the-

Do you see the lectures will have two kids in the whole classroom and then all of these recordings? Did you see what they're trying to do in California like schools where they're starting to evaluate 80% now? Basically taking an A of, it used to be 90% above, down to 80%. I sent that to you, I saw it. You guys know why that, right?

You know why, right? We're celebrating mediocrity. Because public schools have to push kids through to get paid. They look at the numbers. They look at the numbers. It's a fucking joke. And they look and say, how many more kids will go through if we drop it 2%, 3%, and then they figure the number out, okay.

So what are we doing? Dumbing everybody down as a result. This thing to me is even- Because they lose funding otherwise. This is even crazier to me because this is something that's going to disrupt colleges right now because colleges don't have, you don't have to attend classes.

As long as you pass all the stuff, why would you ever show up to a lecture if it's going to do all this work for you? Because when you take the test, you're not allowed to use the notes. So you still have to learn. Well, no. So I'll just, what I would do is I would have my AI tools show up to all my classes, break down all the notes, and then I would take five hours of lectures distilled down to one hour of studying notes for all my classes.

How mad would you be though if it missed the note that you got tested on, you know what I mean? I mean, maybe. At what point do you think it's gonna be AI tutors, you know, where the AI tutors are gonna tutor you on what the instructor just talked about. Well, they'll be able to pick up on the instructor's tendencies,

so they'll be able to be like, they're probably gonna ask this, then the instructor's gonna be like, I gotta change this up, and then they're gonna already be ahead of that. Or the AI will be teaching you now. That's just, I mean, I don't know if there's, if they're writing any articles about this already or not,

but you gotta think that this would already start to sweep college campuses, and kids would start not showing up to class. It's moving so fast. Have you guys seen the animations? Have you guys seen these? You can take a meme, like a popular meme, like you know the one meme where the little baby's

going like this, he's making this face, and he's on the beach or something like that? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Okay, AI, you can plug these in and AI will animate it. So it's the kid's doing this and then they're showing him like do something else afterwards. Or the little girl that's making that face and there's a fire behind her and then it animates it

and turns it into something else. I saw a whole bunch of these. All you do is you show it to the meme or a picture, and then it animates it into a five second clip or video. Oh wow. On its own. What a trip. Weird, it's so fricking weird.

I follow a guy that does stuff where he will prompt it to write a country song, and it kicks off stuff that's pretty damn good. This is gonna be weird. Yeah, it's. Speaking of what's cool and stuff, I got approached at the event by, I wanna say three, one, two, three trainers who went and got NASM certified

because we talked about it on the podcast. And here's what they said to me. They said, yeah, I wasn't gonna get a certification. They were online coaches. And you don't need a national cert for online. There's a lot of different courses, right? But they're like, we went through NSM, I went through NSM because you talked about it. One of them went and got the CPT and the CES. Nice. And they're like, I, this is the most in

everybody should have that in their toolbox. This is the most in depth. By the way, the CES certification, it's not easy. Like you gotta know you're, you gotta go through it and you know your shit. I remember. That is the most in that like you will understand correctly. Well, the reason why CES is so difficult is they assume you're already extremely proficient at CPT. That's right. You have to have CPT, right? So all of CES builds on that knowledge. So if you were ever to try, first of all, you couldn't do CES for you have to have their CPT. But if you had a if CPT is really fresh in your like you couldn't do CES for you have to have their CPT. But if you had a, if CPT is really fresh in your, like you don't know a lot, you just maybe just passed it

or barely passed it, rolling into CES is, that's a lot to chew on. And then in our forum, a trainer commented and they had, I don't remember what the certs were, but they had two national certs and some other certifications. They hadn't done NESM. They went through NESM and they said,

and I guess this is a compliment, right? NASM, they have the advantage of being the biggest one. One of the more well-known ones. But I think sometimes that works with a disadvantage because it's like, oh, it's NASM, I'll try these other ones over here type of deal. Well, they went through because we talk about it. And they're like, compared to the other national sorts,

they said this one, NASM's the best one. I'm like, that's why they're the gold standard. I mean, that's how it was for, I mean, one of the things that was cool about being a fitness manager and having so many different trainers work underneath me is I mean, I took eight myself, and I probably have seen 30,

I've actually gone through the books. You know, so if a trainer got a new cert that I hadn't seen or hadn't done, I would always ask for the material so I could look at it as a boss and just kind of see what they were teaching or what like that. So I had an idea. So I've seen most all certs and hands down and SM as always, they do a really, really good job. Um, you know, for a trainer that's getting into the space of like giving you as much information that you need to really get you pretty far in the training and they lead the space yeah they're always teaching just

enough biomechanics it's just enough like anatomy it's just enough of that so you really like have a good scientific basis for your decisions in programming their OPT model so the CES is the corrective exercise specialist the CPT is a certified personal trainer. So it in the list goes on with all these other acronyms you can go through just in their own organization. They're the best national. The part that's really crazy that they didn't have when we were doing this stuff is all the support that comes with it. I mean, now they've got podcasts, they've got forums that go with it. They have all these like bolt ons to all the different

types of services, Virtual classes within that. Yeah, like I mean, so it was already a leader in the space. That's the part that I mean, really partnering up with us that I remember that we felt compelled about is like, man, you guys are not doing a good job of communicating this to the masses that all the other stuff, you guys were the leaders and the best.

I could talk about and sell them what they were 20 years ago. There's so much more than what they were 20 years ago, but nobody knows it. Nobody is talking about all the other things that they offer and they do. It's like they've got to get a loud speaker and have somebody explain that. We talked about AI earlier. Maybe you know this, Adam, but I don't know you could do this. My grandma's house is up for sale.

My grandfather passed away a couple years ago. My grandmother needs kind of full-time care, so she's basically living with my aunt or my mom. So the house was sitting there. It's kind of sad. It's the house that my grandparents bought, originally bought in, I don't know what, 1960 something here in San Jose. I mean all the trees in the front yard, the fruit trees, it's all stuff that my grandfather planted and stuff. But anyway, we did a garage sale, we emptied the house, cleaned it out, it's ready for sale. And you guys know how staging is like a big business.

Okay, so like you're gonna sell a house, you could pay somebody to stage your house. And it's big business, it costs a lot of money. And a good staging job will get you a lot more money for the house or whatever. They did virtual staging. You go online, you look at the house or whatever, they did virtual staging. You go online, you look at the house, and the house is empty, but you go online to look at it, and it's all virtually staged, and it looks real.

I was scrolling through the pictures, I'm like, oh my God. Did they go through Redfin? I believe Redfin offers that. I don't know where they went through it. I think they do. I think if you list on Redfin and Zillow, I think that's a new feature. I mean, again, which is why I can't, well, I guess it's the market where it's at right

now, but I invested in all three of those companies, both are three Redfin, Zillow, and then the other one is Open Door are all like the three leading AI real estate companies. Unfortunately, I'm not up from when I bought all that stuff. I've been waiting for it because that space is just waiting to get disrupted because of things just like that. That is, and by the way, it costs like tens of thousands of dollars a stage. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Stage in your house is not like, oh, a few hundred bucks and they'll stage your house. No, it's tens of thousands of dollars, depending on how big it is and how nice you wanna go to stage house. And it makes sense because it would fetch 50, a,000 of dollars, depending on how big it is and how nice you want to go, to Stage House. And it makes sense because it would fetch

50, 100,000 more dollars, especially on a multimillion dollar house. And two, I mean, because of the competitive nature of like, there's no inventory here in California, what not, like to stage it virtually makes a lot of sense for somebody who would want to get their bid in, you know, early in, so it's like, they're not necessarily going to.

But I got to tell you though, man, it's weird seeing my grandparents' house for sale. That's the house. I thought you guys were considering keeping it in the family. No, I don't think anybody's gonna buy it. And if I bought it, I'd have to remodel the hell out of it type of deal, so I'm not gonna get it. But it is wild, man, to see,

because again, I grew up in that house. They bought it, they built it. Every plant that's planted in the backyard, the front yard, my grandfather planted it. I was, you know, my cousin and I played in the backyard, in the front yard, that's where we did trick or treating. And we were, you know, Halloween, like my mom grew up in that house, my aunts, my uncle.

It's just, I had. Who do the proceeds go to? Is it divided between who? The siblings. How many siblings? It goes my mom, two sisters, and a brother. So, and they're all gonna split up. I remember going through that a bit,

but it was more, well, cause like my grandpa, my grandma, they lived up in paradise, and then they had the fires there, and it like swept through, and like, and so we actually drove past, like, to go past, up towards like Lassen, and stopped there just to look, and it was like, you had that feeling, it's like, man, I grew up towards like Lassen and stop there just to look. And it was like, you had that feeling.

It's like, man, I grew up like me and my brother were up there, you know, cousins. Like we all have a lot of like embedded memories there. And it was just like ash. So crazy. Well, it's crazy. Again, because they lived in the house for so long and there were certain things that they were selling

at the garage sale. Like my grandmother used to sew clothes. She used to sew her kid's clothes. So she had like an old, I don't know what's the brand, Singer, maybe the brand, sewing machine that like folds into a desk, and then it folds out, and then you can push the pedal with your foot. I'm sure those are a collector now. Well, I mean, they sold it for,

I mean, I don't remember how they're 150 bucks, but you look at it, you're like, oh my god. I remember when I was a kid I would try to play with this thing my grandma would yell at us for touching it and they have this old vacuum that they had forever and Then there were like little figurines because you know, you live in a house for decades. You just collect shit, you know over time It's just weird seeing all the stuff that's you know being sold Yeah, have you been down to his bench as your family? Did you guys take it? I don't know if anybody else has, but I have.

Oh, you have. You definitely have, yeah. Thank you, that was a really nice gift to you guys, man. I haven't actually had a chance to go see it. I actually want to go. That's right under a tree. Yeah, Katrina and I have talked about wanting to go do it. Yeah, it'd be cool to kind of make that like an annual thing

where you go hike up there and go do that with a family or something like that. Do you have anything else of his that's been passed? He gave me a ring. He gave you a ring? Yeah, there's a ring that he gave me. He gave my cousin, what did he give my cousin? He gave my cousin another ring with the initials.

My cousin's also the same name, because he was named after him, so he's got the initials on him. I told you that's what this is, I told you my... Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, that's the watch you told me. That's a crazy story because you're a watch collector.

Yeah, yeah. And you had no idea. I didn't have much of a relationship with my grandfather. He was just, well, first of all, he passed away when I was pretty young. And he moved away, lived apart from my family. And you know the story about my family, it was never really tight as far as everybody coming together.

So I didn't have much of any relationship with my grandfather. I just know of him. And then everybody knows that my father passed away when I was seven. And so there's just not a lot of connections, stories, pictures, anything that I know about. And I had my aunt was with me on that side of the family.

So my dad's sister was with me in Park City. I took her out there to see the Park City house. And as we're walking the strip, there's a Rolex store and I always go in to the Rolex store just like I did when we're in Vegas. I'm always looking for specific models and that you can, I mean, they've been, you can't get ahold of anything that you want. It's been, I don't know, over six years since they've had it like inventory to where you can choose what watch you want. It's been, I don't know, over six years since they've had it like inventory to where you could choose what watch you want. And so I'm always checking to see like, oh,

does this one have what I'm looking for? And so I'd stop and I ask Katrina and my aunt, hey, can I go in here real quick? And I go in and my aunt's like, oh, what's he doing? And she's like, oh, Katrina like rolls her eyes. He does this every time we go anywhere. He's looking for something specific. And she goes, do you know that his grandfather

was into watches? And she's like, no, I didn't know that. I bet he doesn't know that. And then my aunt said to me, she goes, did you know your grandfather collected watches? I'm like, really? She's like, yeah, no, he had like a Rolex, Omega, Tudor. Like he had, I'm like, what?

I'm like, what happened to him? And she's like, oh, they're in some, they're in our safe deposit box at home. I say, well, have you ever looked at them? Because you guys do know that if you had a limited edition or a certain piece, it could be worth a lot of money. You guys should. My aunt and uncle don't have a lot of money. So I'm like, that could change your guys' life

if it's potentially a really nice one, especially if he's a collector. So we had that conversation about a year ago. And so it's been on their mind to check it out. And then last time my uncle came down, they actually came down, they helped out with Katrina. And so when they came, he brought me this watch and said, this was your grandfather's,

and he goes, I'm sure he would love for you to have it. That's so nice. Yeah, so. How weird too, it's not like a super common, I mean, it's common, but not super common. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's almost like, oh, I got this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know, I thought that was pretty cool. And I don't have anything like that. I don't have a piece that connects me to him whatsoever. And so, yeah. Remember that scene in Pulp Fiction when he passes the watch on to his, it was his kid or whatever? He's like, he was captured by the Viet Cong or whatever,

and he's like, I hid this up my ass for whatever. Remember that? I don't remember that. It was World War II, I don't remember what war it was. Anyway, I got to hack for people right now for energy. So obviously caffeine, go-to for energy, that's the best chemical you can buy that's gonna give you a nice little boost in energy. The problem with it is, if you drink it too late in the day,

it definitely affects your sleep. By the way, the data on this is clear. drink it too late in the day, it definitely affects your sleep. By the way, the data on this is clear. So a lot of people are like, doesn't affect my sleep. Yes it does. Even though you fall asleep, you get less deep sleep than you normally would because of the half life of caffeine. So you don't wanna drink caffeine past like noon or one o'clock typically.

Well, I have a hack, I've talked about this before, but Joy Mode, which we work with Joy Mode. And now this is a pre, it's a pre-sex supplement. Designed to boost blood flow, helps with sexual performance. It also gives you a nice little energy boost, but it's stimulant free. So now, instead of having caffeine in the morning, and then again in the afternoon, I do Joy Mode,

and it gives me the energy that I want, and it's not caffeine, it's not stimuli based. Yeah. It's funny cause I actually had one in my travel bag, like the toiletries bag, you know, obviously for other reasons, cause I'm in Vegas, my wife is there. Um, but I actually was, I was so tired from the previous night and like hanging out with the guys and stuff, uh, and then knowing that we're going to have a live event and I'm like, I don't wanna have low energy, so I took it that day.

Yeah, it worked, and it was a great boost. I needed that, for sure. Speaking of Justin and I, so as people can see here on the camera, him and I have decided to grow mustaches for some reason at the same time. Yeah. So him and I are, now we became quite aware of this.

I remember we're walking up to the room, kind of two look, kind of jack dudes, whatever, with mustaches, and we're getting looks from people. I'm like, are we those? Are people thinking? Oh, 100%. Yeah, for sure. They're like, oh, they part of this show?

They part of the Thunder Down Under guys? Who is this? Thunder Down Under guys? But anyway. I wasn't wearing my chaps. But anyway, so, and I kind of did mine, I'm like, I'm not gonna keep it, and he did his thing. But now we both have them, and I feel like we're gonna play

Mustache chicken. Yeah, like who's gonna go the longest without you know, I'm gonna win that probably You'll keep yours like a little smaller. I think I'm gonna try and you know, really beef. Are you going thick? Yeah, with the stash. Yeah, you know it Shout out to Vicky because I saw Vicky I really do think that It makes a difference because she takes care of it and it's like if I tried to craft this myself you kid me Yeah, I gotta say you look way better with a mustache and I do for sure He would never say that cuz like I've always avoided it cuz my dad, you know, and we don't have the same looking face

So I was like it works so well on him. Yeah, that's his thing You know, it's like a iconic. I didn't want to touch that, you know Do you guys remember when Adam had when he grew his mustache down here? Is that called a handlebar? Yeah, I like And I can't do it now join the mustache But I'm not gonna lie there is a part of me because I think it does look good on you fools Join the mustache, but I'm not gonna lie there is a part of me because I think it does look good on you fools That I think Vicky does such a good job of making it look good And I've never had her like line of a must I would even try it without her like shaping it

So maybe when you guys are over it, maybe all well, we'll see I feel like it's a little game of chicken right now Who keeps now have you been have you been from like we just got back from a live event So have you did you get complimented on it? No I've had positive and then also like the comments you'd expect, you know, like the Molester kind of stash are they are doesn't count if it comes from jealous guys. Oh, that's what it is Our mustache is in style. What's the face? That's what Vicky was telling me. Yeah, they're totally back in style. Really? Yeah, like all your, like every young,

I feel like that's the old. Every young firefighter cop guy has one right now. Like if you all, everybody that's in their like 20s to mid 30s and you're cop fit guy, like that's like the thing right now. Yeah, but don't you feel like. Baseball players too, went through it. I feel like it's almost like if you asked women

what they would rank for facial hair, I think mustache is at the bottom. I don't think women like it. I think dudes do it. Yeah, I bottom. I don't think women like it. I think dudes do it. I think dudes do it. Beards were really big there for a bit. And I think they still are.

I don't know, Doug, maybe you'll look up what facial hair do women like the most. And I think mustaches are near the bottom. They have to be. I think that's for functional reasons. What? I think that's why. Well, I'm just guessing.

Just guessing. Well then a goatee would be. The pencil beard was never the male. No, I saw that one for awhile. There you go. Light stubble, what is this? Light stubble is most attractive for short term and long term.

Well, I like this. They were testing short term and long term relations. Five o'clock shadow kind of deal. Okay, click on show more there, Doug. Women find medium length stubble the most appealing because it has a traditional masculine appearance. Women may prefer men with full beards for long term relations.

I heard about that by the way. See, tiny beard, dude, that was my thing. I heard that full beards, women look at men with full beards more as like father figures or like fathers. So like, oh, that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, and then anything else. Women may find men with stubble short beards

more attractive for casual dating. Well, we shouldn't tell guys that. See, no mustaches. I don't see anything for mustaches there. Yeah, no mustaches have made the beard stash, a combination of a full mustache and a bit of stubble. Anchor beard. What the hell's an anchor beard?

A pointed or triangular beard that follows a jawline and chin. Oh, that's just kinda, that's kinda how I shaped down like this. I would look like a magician with that if you did that to me. I would look like I should do something with my head to make some magic or whatever. You'd look like some villain, that'd be awesome.

There is mustache, there's no one up, nowhere up there. So yeah, there you go. Well, I'm gonna rock it anyway. Well, what do the wives think, both of you? My wife surprisingly loves it. I had no idea. Hits by the picture you said. Yeah, it's the only reason why I still there. The only time my wife says loves it. I Only time my wife says anything I've only done it a couple times if I shave clean she hates it She doesn't like me clean shaving at all. She likes to see some yeah. Yeah Katrina

I think Katrina the same way. It's just some sort of five o'clock shadow or something Yeah, but she doesn't I don't it's not a big fan of like a long a long beard. Yeah All right, let's shout out our coach, glpone.com. You can sign up and then get notified when this happens. We are gonna be coaching a group of 50 people who are on a GLP-1, and we're gonna coach them ourselves. Just us, myself, Adam, and Justin. We're gonna coach you with nutrition, with exercise,

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What's up, Christian? What up? How can we help you? How are you doing gentlemen? How are you? Good. Good. What's going on?

Oh, just a huge fan of the show. I just want to say, and I just had a question for you experts on, uh, metabolic adaptation. Okay. Cool. So my question is, uh, how quickly and how severely can metabolic adaptation occur when on a long-term weight loss plan? So for example, if I were a client

wanting to lose between 20 and 40 pounds in, say, six to 12 months, for how long is that sustainable on average before the BMR starts to significantly drop? Now, obviously, the short answer is it depends. But as a baseline if I'm designing a long-term weight loss plan what would be the general ratios of time in deficit to time in maintenance or surplus or you guys call reverse dieting so that those goals can be achieved while minimizing the metabolic adaptation. And then lastly just

to the second part of the question how bad and how permanent or semi-permanent can the adaptation be? I don't really have a sense of scale. So when a BMR slows down, does it slow down maybe a little 10 to 15% or can it severely flatline like cut in half if I'm dieting down for too long or too aggressively at a time? Cool question. Yeah. So the answer is yes to everything you've asked. So, so the metabolism adapts immediately. Now what does that mean? That means it's constantly adapting.

So anytime you're in a deficit, the tendency is for your metabolism to try to adapt to meet the new energy intake. In other words, the energy demands are always trying to meet the energy intake. Now the things you could do to offset that metabolic adaptation, and by the way, it's not a bad thing. People, we've labeled it as this terrible thing, but if your

metabolism didn't adapt, you would be dead. I mean, you need a, and it's a very complex system in the body. I mean, a long time ago, I pulled up a, a graph of all of the metabolic processes that we've identified. And it was like, I mean, it's, it's I pulled up a graph of all of the metabolic processes that we've identified. And it was like, I mean, it's one of the most complicated things we've ever, or complex things we've ever observed. Now, what, you know, your question is, well, how long can that last? When do I do reverse dieting? Or like so many things play a role in that from genetics to lifestyle to also previous experiences.

And I don't know if there's any necessary data to support this, but I can tell you from experience that if somebody has come from a place of lots of dieting or has been or tried to be in a deficit for long periods of time throughout their life, then that adaptation tends to happen faster and it tends to stick around longer. Like if you work with someone who's dieted on and off

for most of their life, and then they come to you eating low calories already, they're like, look, I eat 1500 calories a day, I need to lose 40 pounds. And you're like, okay, we got to do a reverse diet. That could take a while. It could take, I've seen where you've, I've seen people get reverse dieted up relatively successfully, significantly only to have, be hit with a

very quick metabolic adaptation once they're put in a deficit, the best thing you can do to move this in the direction that most people want, which is faster metabolism is build muscle. There's really nothing more effective than that. So rather than getting caught up in the, how do we offset this and what's the ratio of surplus, the deficit to maintenance type of deal, if you aim your gaze at building muscle,

you'll almost always move in the right direction, okay? So that means, you know, move your gaze in that direction from a training standpoint and from a nutrition standpoint, and then mitigate muscle loss when you're in a deficit. So that's what I'm looking at. When I put someone on a cut, what I'm looking at is, are we losing strength? And if we are, then what I'm gonna do is try and put you in more of a maintenance or maybe a short surplus that's the main thing that I'm looking

at typically when you see good strength gains or maintenance you tend to see more favorable results with metabolic adaptation does that make sense it does and if I may just from two standpoints on this question, one, of course, more general fitness and maybe bodybuilding. I see what you're saying now. I, I, I'm an amateur MMA fighter. So of course I'm, when I'm thinking about weight, I'm, I'm caring more about the numbers on the scale come competition time and I'm not talking

about cutting weight, we know that's a different process, but just getting the numbers down, would all the same considerations apply then to healthily lose, have a weight loss goal if it's for competition like that? Yeah, okay, so the same rules apply, but the nuance of this is how Sal started this, which is it really has a lot to do with the individual

and their prior diet history. For example, like a guy like you who's very athletic and probably eats in a surplus and trains to build muscle for most of the time and then you just cut for a competition or what that you can really push your body and it'll probably respond pretty well to the cuts. But I tell you what, the more and more you've done that over years, the more difficult it gets. Like I know like in like in the bodybuilding world, you get these competitors that have done it

year over year over year, and it gets more difficult and more difficult for them to cut because the body's now adapted. They've seen that before. So, and just like the competitive world, if you think of a client whose yo-yo diet so many times, they're not gonna respond as well to, and what I mean by respond as well, because technically the metabolism is spawning really well, it quickly

adapts, but that's not what you want when you want to see someone slowly keep losing. So a generic answer or what I would do is like, okay I'm gonna interrupt this person's cut, you know, every third week if I think that it's like it's necessary. If it's somebody who's getting great results in the deficit and we're on week three, I might not interrupt it yet. I might wait until I see the progress really start to slow and then I'll interrupt it with a maintenance or even slight surplus for a week or two

and then go back down again. And then I'm like, and I'm really gonna have to feel that out with the client. And the more times you do that, the better you get at like kind of seeing it happen with your clients. And then even better is to learn how to interrupt that before the plateau hits. But the reality is you're going to train some clients in a deficit and a plateau is going to hit and you're going to be like, okay, it's time for me to increase calories.

Use your performance as a gauge as an athlete. Okay, 100% use your performance. Look, if you, if your body learns to burn less calories through activity, that can be a good thing in athletics. You don't want to be in the cage or the ring with this like burning tons of calories, you want your body to be pretty damn efficient while you're fighting. Otherwise you're going to gas out. Um, and body fat percentage, you know, there's, there's definitely some correlation to athletic performance, but it's not like

who looks the most aesthetic has the best performance. I mean, I can name fighters right now. Fedor did look nothing like a top. That was my first thought was Fedor. Yeah, you know, so, you know, I know, look, I'm pretty ripped. You put me in the cage right now and I'm done, 30 seconds. I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna be gassed out, so. Well, keep in mind too, cause he's asking kind of about two different types of bodybuilding and sports are two different situations.

So, but it's all, but performance is the measurement. Okay. Especially if you're an athlete, but even with clients, I'm looking at their performance in the gym. That's how I'm gauging. Do we do a refeed? Do we move it in the right direction? Not, and I'm putting that above fat loss. I'm even putting it above fat loss because if somebody's getting stronger or they're maintaining good strength, that's one of the better signs that's telling me we're not getting as much of a down regulated metabolism.

And then with you as an athlete, look, I don't know what weight you like to fight at, but I'm sure you've experienced this where you get fighters, they automatically assume that if they cut to a lighter weight, they're going to perform better. It's not always the case. Sometimes people cut, they go on a lighter weight and they feel like garbage and they get their asses kicked

because they overestimated the power of being at a lighter weight. Oh, I agree with that 100%. I am one of the fighters of being at a lighter weight. I agree with that a hundred percent. I am one of the fighters that wasn't a lifelong wrestler, so I'm not as bought into the severe weight cutting. So I'd rather risk versus reward, risk being slightly smaller than my opponent, not the expense of being depleted. Yep. Totally. Totally. So this is such a, like the more we say here, like this will be a cool single topic, totally. Totally. So this is such a like the more we say here I like this will be a cool single topic Doug

Yeah we could go like really deep because it's there's so much nuance to what we're talking about right now and It really does depend on the client their history what I'm currently seeing if there were a competitor where they're going into a sport versus if they're going into bodybuilding I mean and And then you hit it Obviously you listen for a long time because the way you started this whole question, like it was obvious that you've heard us kind of

communicate this before. It really does depend. And for every good piece of tip and advice we're given right now, I can think of an example of where I had to throw that out through out the door and do it a different way because you get every individual depending on their history and their dieting, like can handle it. I've had people where I can put them in this severe calorie restriction, and they fucking just shred, they hold on to muscle. It's like, and then other people where, you know, we, we, as soon as we start cutting, they instantly start to adapt or their body loses lots of muscle and not body fat as much. Like, so this is the real art of, of, of coaching is learning this stuff, not only with yourself

but with your clients. I just I go back to I know Sal uses performance. I'm watching a client and I'm going to like our plan is to get lean and I'm going to interrupt that cut you know anywhere from every two to three weeks to stretching it out for six to seven weeks before I interrupted all depending on what I'm watching. You know, whether that's a good range, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, it could be, I'm always going to interrupt a cut no matter who you are, but it really depends on what I see happening on how frequently I'm going to interrupt that cut if that makes sense.

And then watching what the scale plateau, watching the energy levels, the sleep patterns get messed up and then you can, okay, it's definitely time to refeed to surplus. That's right. I'm also keeping in mind this too, because here's a mistake too a lot of people make is remember that training is already a stress and dieting is a stress. And so a mistake that a lot of people make that make this happen even quicker is they keep the same intensity and volume of training as high as they were when they were in this big calorie surplus and now in this cut. So sometimes I'll pull that lever. Sometimes the mistake that we're doing is like,

we're just, we're dieting too hard and we're pushing too hard and the body is just freaking out and going like, oh shit. What's his- Even worse, typically what happens is people going to cut and up their volume. Right, right.

Oh, now I'm gonna add cardio on top of what my workout was. It took me a long time to figure out that the best thing I could do with my clients when I put them in a cut was cut their volume. You're going to reduce your calories, you're also going to work out less. What do you think I'm trying to lose fat? You're already in a deficit. Let the body do the work. That's how I used to coach all my competitors. It's like, listen, we already did the hard work building the muscle. Now we're in this deficit. Let the body do what it naturally will do. You pushy more thinking you're going to get faster results actually is shooting ourselves in the foot. So there is this like real like back and forth. I know I feel like we didn't help you at all.

Telling an athlete to do less is the right thing to do but so difficult. Right, right. That's I mean so that's why this is so nuanced and stuff like that. I'm not really gonna find a standard to all this. Yeah, well I know. I hope we I hope we helped somewhat here because I feel like we just made it worse for you. Disclose where it hit home to the psychological implications stepping, maybe not outside my lane as a, as a trainer or a nutritionist, but like I myself, I've been in alcohol and drug recovery for 10 years now fighting the fight. And if you know anything about that, which I'm sure you do, co-occurring disorders occur. So between my fight and addiction and my athletic goals, I battled bulimia for a lot of years. So this hits home in terms of the back and forth, the severe surpluses

or I'm just going to fast until I lose weight. I saw your recent episode about fasting, you know, and all the way to just binging and purging. And I've had my own disorder and remission for two and a half years, but I, I would empathize with any level of client athlete or not about, um, what it can do psychologically or what it has done to somebody in the past. Uh, there's, there's a big, uh, I mean, your, your situation is, um, uh, commendable for sure, but even with just somebody who's never battled at those addictions.

When you go through, uh, years of like wrestlers, for example, or, or a fighter where you're cutting weight constantly, and then they go to try to live a regular life, the, the, the, the percentage of them that become obese is very high because they don't have that fight to train for, they don't have that extreme, okay, you got to do this for 12 weeks and go crazy. So how do I live a regular life now and be fit and healthy? And they'd never learned those skills. What they lived for a long time was extremes.

Christian, how long have you been a trainer for? Uh, well, I am a former Marine Corps officer. So informally did a lot of training, got into martial arts once I retired a number of years ago and only last year did I actually get the credentials for a strength coach, personal trainer, nutritionist and yoga instructor, just for real shits and giggles, excuse my language. And so I haven't really put it much into practice yet. And I'm aiming to just independently out of like my growing home gym. You'll you'll you're going to be a good trainer, bro. You're asking the right questions. You got good experience, both training

yourself, others like you do our course. Or have you, have you, did you see our three day course or did you sign up for our course? I'm not familiar. Oh wow. Yeah. We actually launched our coaching program for trainers and coaches. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah. We have, and we have a free three day training. That's that watch that that'll get you started. Like watch that yeah we're building a training a trainer community that then that was a big shift this year so what's the what's the the URL for that Doug for the

mind pump trainer course comm for the three-day training yeah we'll email that to you also so that that you've signed up there's a three-day training it's free and we talked about some things that can help you become more successful as a trainer yeah you got to join that community though you'll love that so I mean that's what everyone's going through. And you're gonna be good, bro. I can tell already. Thank you so much, yeah.

Excellent, I'll look at that right away. You got it, man. Awesome. Thanks for calling in, bro. Stay in touch, dude. All right. You got it. Yeah, I mean, he couldn't have asked.

Good questions. Well, I mean, you almost can't ask more nuanced. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's such a hard one to navigate. It is. I mean, I think we should do a single topic on it because of it, and what's tough when someone hits you

with that, our thoughts aren't organized on how, because sometimes I feel like- Well, what it is is I'm not talking to, like if he said, I have this client, Yes, right. then I can ask the question For sure. for a specific date towards like going up on stage or like whatever,

like something specific. Yeah, and we could talk could talk about okay well then here's what we want to do and where we want to move but when it's general like that look I have I've had clients where I reversed eye to them for a year. Yeah. For a year before they positively responded to a deficit and I had clients within a couple months it was like boom a tablet. So that's why I think the way this single topic structure I think would make really good is like we pick like four or five common avatars and then we would explain the dieting and cutting part for them individually.

Some general things. Yes, common pitfalls, common things that work really well and things to look out for or something like that. That'd make a really good nuanced step because it is. It's like as we're, I'm listening to you and I'm like, oh yeah, that's really good advice. I'm like, fuck, but I can also think of where that's contradicting. It's like for every good example or answer I have for him, I can also think of an example where that didn't work. And so, but that's what, I mean, this is the, this is the part, I mean, this is also the part that I love about coaching and training is that it,

the individual part of that is so important to figure out and it is. It's detective work and that's half of what we do. Our next caller is Nick from Washington. What up, Nick? What's going on? Hey, guys. What's up? How you doing, man?

Not bad, how are you guys doing? Good. Good, great. Hey, last time I had bad internet connection, you guys just happened to catch me while I'm on a short little family vacation up in a cabin, so I apologize if the internet's any worse up no problem man you're good yeah you know make it fast your wife is gonna yeah they they left the cabin just so I could

have the meeting oh you're welcome yeah right yeah I'm gonna read straight from what I wrote down just so I don't get lost in the weeds here I tend to ramble so I thank you guys for having me weeds here. I tend to ramble. So I thank you guys for having me on answer my question. I've listened to podcasts now for about four or four and a half years. I love the podcast and I think the information you're putting out is fantastic. So thank you guys. I feel like I wrote too much. So I'll try and keep it quick. I am 40 years old. I'm married with a four and a half year old. I love hearing the stories about your experiences with fatherhood and relationships and think it's an excellent aspect of the podcast. I got into the show for the fitness side of things,

but have felt a kinship to you guys as I raised my own little boy. My journey with fitness started when I was young. I grew up kind of like Justin playing football and doing the straightforward workouts that came with it. During college, I worked as a personal trainer for about three and a half years. I was one of the trainers who Adam talks about that doesn't like sales, not because I couldn't do it, but because I hit a point where it just felt awkward to ask for a bunch of money in a corporate gym just so people could spend time with me. So I went back to school to become a physical

therapist assistant, and then eventually got my doctorate in physical therapy. I've worked in orthopedics my entire career and originally wrote this question when I was studying for advanced credentialing as an orthopedics my entire career and originally wrote this question when I was studying for advanced credentialing as an orthopedic clinical specialist. I try to give my patients as much of the health and fitness information I can and the time that I have with them. And I've used the way that you guys relate to people on the show and the stories about your clients to relate to my own patients since I've listened to the show. As for my own fitness, I wrote my own programming for years. But when I started listening to the show, I tried out your guys's programs. I've since run almost every one that I own multiple times except for starter.

I bought that from my parents. That way every time they asked me for help and what they should do for exercise, I can just ask them if they started the program yet. Smart. Yeah. Right. Last time I talked to you guys, you recommended symmetry. I had a posterior chain imbalance and I've ran it twice since then with some

great improvements in my deadlift to squat imbalance. It was a great program. I frequently recommend your programs to patients and think you don't give enough love to maps resistance. I think that's an excellent program. Thank you. Patience. Uh, when I wrote the question, I was running maps 15 while in the last

eight weeks of studying for my test. I then ran maps anabolic backwards and abbreviated it into a two week phases as we led up to a three week vacation traveling abroad on vacation. I didn't work out a lot. I just walked and soaked in our trip. When I got back, I started running maps cardio to try and help my gas tank for the once or twice week training I do with jujitsu, which I just picked up because my son's teacher recommended it for him. So I decided to do it too. I wanted to prove my own, improve my own gas tank on the mat and just stay as healthy and strong as possible.

So that can always do things with my son and my family. I live three days a week with your programming on my off days. I walk a little less than two miles in the morning and work on mobility and recovery. Right now I I'm on a deload week with a short family trip to my wife's family's cabin, so I'm doing nothing but recovery. We'll call it with all this. I finally decided to get some numbers done to try and stay on top of my health a few years ago.

I started on testosterone around that time as my original numbers were two 23 total testosterone, 7.7 free. When I wrote my question, I had just received results from being on the first dose of topical and my total was 216, so it had gone down. The endocrinologist didn't test my free testosterone then. Since then, he doubled my dose of topical gel and told me to stay on it for a few months before getting blood work done again. I haven't taken a blood test since being on this dose, but I'm scheduled to take one

actually next week. I feel like most people have some kind of big stresses in their life leading to low testosterone, but I have a great family, a great job, get to go on vacations, I have good workout planning, a pretty decent diet, and I normally get good sleep. I try and do most things I know to be right so that I can practice what I preach with my patients. I feel like my stress is definitely a lowercase s stress. How can I get my numbers up to be healthier without just having to double my dose or having to go on injectable hormone therapy? Um, when I also, when I previously wrote my question, I talked about doing a power lifting meat, but seem to have found my competitive outlet outlet

in jujitsu and would love to know which way you would go for programming to continue to improve my gas tank and maybe improve my explosive abilities and grip strength for jujitsu. Sorry for the long question, guys. Good question, Nick. How old are you? 40. I'm 40 years old. Okay, so here's the problem with trying

to raise your testosterone while you're on testosterone therapy. You can't raise it naturally while you're on therapy because you're getting the negative feedback loop signal from the exogenous testosterone. So whenever you use testosterone, even at relatively low doses, your body picks up on this and reduces

or stops its own production essentially. So there's no way to raise your testosterone while on testosterone therapy, aside from raising your dose of testosterone that you're taking. Now, there are a lot of men that experienced this issue with, um, like the, the testosterone creams or gels. Okay.

That's how you're using it now. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of men can't seem to get their levels up to where they feel good. And that kind of higher range. This is why most athletes are most, uh, individuals, men who, you know, they opt for the injection. Injectable testosterone, pretty reliably, will get it where you want.

With the gels, just, you know, depending on bioavailability, how much you need to use, it just doesn't seem, for some people, to be effective enough to get the number up. You're probably looking to get your total test in the, you know, six, seven, 800 range. And with the gels, uh, for some people it's pretty tough. I mean, you're already using it and you actually got lower testosterone.

Exactly what you were testing before. So your options are, you have kind of two options and obviously you want to check with your, your hormone doctor before making any decision. Uh, but one option is going off testosterone and going on a protocol to raise your testosterone naturally with some medical intervention. So I was surprised they didn't recommend HCG in the first place with him.

He probably, you might already be taking, are you taking HCG with your Endergell? They went straight to Endergell. That's so weird to me. Especially the way you're asking this, I'm assuming you probably told them too, like you didn't want, I would have, they would have explored that first.

It might be, I mean, it depends on the hormone specialists. I mean, so our partners at mphormones.com, like this is what they, this is really what they specialize in. Yeah. And they don't, you know, because if you look at the standard, all right, you go to your typical doctor,

they're gonna look at your testosterone and be like, oh cool, we have you up at this number, you're fine, even though you might have symptoms of low testosterone. Oftentimes they won't recommend, unless you're looking for fertility, so here's what happens, sometimes you go to a hormone doctor, I wanna raise my testosterone, cool, let's put you on androgel or whatever, but if you say I wanna

raise my fertility, then what they do is put you on a protocol that actually raises testosterone naturally with some medical intervention So it puts you on like HCG maybe in clomophene in combination which will raise testosterone So what they both do so HCG is Mimicking luteinizing hormone essentially so that tells your body to produce more testosterone in clomophene Blocks the estrogen receptor sending another signal saying we need to make more testosterone. Enclomaphene blocks the estrogen receptor, sending another signal saying, we need to make more testosterone

because the way a man makes estrogen is through testosterone. So that, and that'll raise your testosterone. Even enclomaphene by itself tends to do that. Now the problem is when you go off, sometimes it stays in a higher range, other times sometimes it goes back down, and then they're like, okay, we gotta put you on testosterone.

If you want to stay on testosterone, don't go through that, don't want to go through that process, it's a bit of a process, talk to them about injection. I mean injection will get it up, get that testosterone level up and it'll stay high. It's not going to be hard to keep it in that higher range. Now again I'm not a hormone specialist, this is just based off my experience working with our partners. I would go through them, but based off of what they're telling me with the patients that they work with, like this is what they keep telling me.

Nick, are you just not a fan of needles? Is that why you opted for the gel instead? It was actually my endocrinologist. He said he didn't like the way that it spiked the testosterone and then dropped over the week. He wanted it to be more steady state. He said if we need to, it will go to impeccable. Yeah, but you can also manage that with halving your dose and going every third day too.

There's actually two things that people do. So I don't do my, so I'm on TRT, I don't do one dose a week, I do two. I divide the dose twice throughout the week. Another thing that people are doing, and you can look up the data on this, and again, go through your doctor through this stuff I want to keep emphasizing that. Or go through MP hormones. MP hormones has doctors too. Some men are

taking their testosterone and they're doing very small doses daily sub-q and that gives you this nice balance. Now I haven't experienced this I don't know what that's like injecting oil sub-q or how the hell you would even do that. But this is what, there was a study that came out recently that showed that to be more effective, that it converts better to less estrogen, et cetera, et cetera. Me personally, and the people I know, they'll just divide the dose.

So the people are fine. But yeah, what you'll get with one dose a week is this high spike and this gradual decline, and then you take your shot again. Now in my opinion, that's better than being low every day. I mean you're rubbing the gel on and you're just low every day. So it's like okay fine.

And the low days should not get as low as you are now. No, your low day should be. Like 400. Yeah, at least or higher. Something like that. So. Right now they're 216. All the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where I was. I was hovering right around where you're at when I first started. And let me tell you, man, it's life changing when you get this figured out. And the, and the, one of the things too, like I, for me, like when I, when my testosterone is managed really well and my estrogen levels, like the results for the work I put in the gym are like crazy. Wait, I mean, that's my biggest complaint as far as symptoms go. I don't, I don't have a lot of fatigue or libido problems. I do get a little bit of brain fog when I'm kind of towards the end of the week,

but like everybody gets that. I am my biggest issue is I really feel like I put in a lot of work at the gym and I'm not getting the results that I could when I was 25 or 26, you know, in my ex. So, so my, when I measured mine, when I went on TRT, I didn't have libido issues. I thought my energy was okay. I worked out, I did everything right. But when I went on TRT, the difference was like

12 pounds of lean body mass. I mean, everything else stayed the same, but I gained a good 12 pounds of lean body mass going from low to high with TRT. Now of course you know people probably listening to it, well it's better to have high testosterone levels than a natural. Yes that's true but in some cases it just doesn't happen for whatever reason. You're also not 25 we'd be having a different conversation with you if you were a 25 year old I'd be really encouraged. I'm not worried

about the fertility issues either. We're one and done. We're not having any more kids. Well, look, I got my wife pregnant on testosterone because of HCG. I'll also do HCG because that has some other effects. And so I was obviously still fertile. I had to go get a vasectomy. Yeah, I would recommend that. I mean, Nick, I don't know if you're

hard on you going through your doctor, but I would push I would recommend that. I mean, Nick, I don't know if you're like a hard on you getting your, um, you're going through your doctor, but I would push you towards MP hormones. Um, and that you can deliver, they can deliver it. If you've had a recent blood work too, you could just use your current blood work and send it to them. You won't have to do more. I'm going to go do blood work next week. So I'll definitely see if I can get in touch with them.

Try it. Try it. If you are going to, because you're going to go do the blood work, uh, and they'll want, okay, if you already have have that schedule you should try and actually get connected to them before you do that so that it's they can See if there's some extra tests. Yes, so link up with them first if you can Yeah, just go there and in fact when we hang up I'll tell Cassie that you're probably look out for you see if they can push you to the top front of the list. Yeah Okay. All right. Thanks guys.

Yep. You got it, man. All right, Nick. Good luck, buddy. Have a good vacation. Thanks guys. Take care. You know, it really sucks because when it comes to

hormone replacement therapy in both men and women, there seems to be two approaches. One is the, here's our, here are the standards. Here's what the, you's what the ranges say. And then there's the optimization people who are like, yeah, I know what the ranges say. Let's look at your symptoms, let's look at all these other hormones, how you feel.

Some men have signs of low testosterone with a total testosterone of 400. Other men at 400 feel absolutely fine. Some men, you bring them up to eight or 900, don't like the way it feels. Other men, 800, 900 feels great and feels normal for them. It's just because of the stigma around it. That's all it is. And it's still, it's still pervasive in the medical space. So, but we're, and we're in this transition period. 10 years from now,

it's not going to be like that. There's other hormones that we prescribe all the time, like right away. And nobody is, it's like, there's just a. You know they even do pellets now, do you guys know that? Pellets? Yeah, you get, they inject the pellet into your glubs. And then slowly over time, it releases testosterone. Oh wow.

Which sounds painful, pellet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I like that. Pellet in there? Yeah, yeah. Our next caller is Andreas from Canada. What's up, dude? How you doing, man?

What's happening? I'm glad you emailed. Yeah, thank you for taking the email. And it's really cool to see you guys in person, actually. Well, not in person, but live. Thanks. Thank you. How can we help you, dude?

OK, so I'm just going to say a quick little thing just because there is a reason I trust mind pump with with my question. So here, and I would just roll it down just so I don't get too off track. Alright, so I've always been a big guy and my heaviest I was around 345 pounds around 45% body fat via in body scan at the gym. I found my pump in the mid 2010s. And they've you guys very quickly became the show.

I listened to the most, uh, with some pro tips from the show and the maps and Bollock program, I was able to drop down to two and 95 at around 28% body fat and we'll join you at a thousand pound club. And then some, I'm now back up to 310 pounds after being out of the gym since COVID started and being much more sedentary outside of work. I've undoubtedly lost a bunch of muscle mass and this has contributed to my current health issues of high blood pressure, blood sugar, and general fatigue. And I found it difficult to get back on track with lifting as COVID also restarted my gaming addiction. This is where Ozempic comes

in. My doctor's concern of course was my health markers. But I've had thought was empty just to be the new hot for pharmaceutical and I've had a hard time trusting a big farmer recently. And I think you guys know why. However, after doing the GOP one agonists have been around for almost 20 years and a lot and having hearing a lot of anecdotal evidence of its he didn't he didn't stick wanting effects largely from Adam and Sal I became more interested I understand hitting protein goals and resistance training is king

while on treatment and I know Adam has said as much Adam also mentioned that this is a good time to fix your relationship to food and I'd like a little more clarification on this also what other strategies can I use to set myself up for success while on ozempic and coming out of it? Great question. Yes that's why I wanted to go on air. Very good question. Things to look out for when you start. Is your appetite getting absolutely crushed? Are you getting nauseous? Those things you want to pay attention for too because then you probably would want to go with a lower dose. So you want to appetite reduction, but you don't want to get so bad where you can't hold anything down.

Although not super common, that can definitely happen. So pay attention to that. As far as food relationship is concerned, so I'm going to simplify this for you and then I'll add a little bit more to it. Whenever you have a behavior, every time you practice that behavior, you maintain the neural connections and you essentially you maintain the behavior. So you talk about gaming for example, gaming addiction. If you play every single day, you're kind of reinforcing that behavior every single day. If you stop for whatever reason, you're kind of reinforcing that behavior every single day. If you stop for whatever reason, let's just say, you know, we forced you to stop.

We took all your games away. You couldn't play for six months. That behavior starts to weaken and those neural connections starts to weaken because you're not practicing the behavior. This is where you can get, in my belief, my opinion, where a lot of the behavior modification effects can happen from using a GLP-1 because your appetite is reduced, you're eating less, and so you're not constantly strengthening

this overeating type of behavior. Now, there is evidence that suggests that there's probably more to this, where it actually does through maybe reduction in neural inflammation and maybe some other stuff that I don't know and understand that it may also just affect the hedonistic parts of the brain to where you just through some other mechanisms I don't understand will reduce your desire to even engage in those behaviors. Okay, so that so there's that.

Here's the other part that I would say. When you're on Ozempic and it's working for you and you find yourself eating less, every time you eat, you're going to have to make a conscious, make a conscious practice of awareness with the food. It's gonna feel silly, it's gonna feel awkward, but literally it's one of these things. I'm eating this because I wanna care for myself.

I'm eating this because I wanna be healthy. I deserve to be healthy. Like you gotta say that to yourself every single time and it's gonna feel weird like any other behavior it feels when you first start it. Like when you see a kid first start to ride a bike, it looks awkward and weird because they don't know how. So what I'm saying is gonna feel that way for a while.

Because when I tell people this, like, that's stupid, I don't wanna say that to myself every time I eat. Well, you won't have to every time, but at first you'll make that decision. Now, to someone who's spiritual, I would say pray before you eat. That's one way to do it. Someone who isn't spiritual, you can write it down,

or you could just say it out loud to yourself, like, okay, I know they said this feels weird, but I wanna care for myself, I wanna take care, I wanna feels weird But I want to care for myself. I want to take care. I want to be healthy I deserve to be healthy and then you do it and then little by little you're actually creating this new Relationship with food and it does take time To do so and that's really what's all about now. The other thing I want to say is this Keep your water intake up I just we just came back from a peptide conference

and I heard a talk on GLP-1s by, these are leading physicians and researchers in the world. Okay, so it's like Dr. Seath put this event together. I was very, very lucky to hear some of these talks. I got to hear information that I haven't heard communicating anywhere else. And Ozempic, some agglutide, terzepatide, and any of the other GOP1s reduce your appetite,

but they also reduce your thirst. So when you eat less, you take in less fluid, because you get fluid through your food, something like up to 20% of your fluid comes from food. And then you also want to drink less water. If you eat less and you drink less, and you're in a deficit, that sends a signal for your body to pare muscle down.

So, consciously keep your fluid intake up and add electrolytes to your water because your sodium's also gonna drop as your food intake drops. So I like just any electrolyte powder will work, L-L-M-T is really good. And you just add some of it to your water and then pay attention, I need to drink

a half a gallon to a gallon a day. Stay consistent with that. That'll help mitigate the things. And then supplements, you should be taking creatine and to get your protein intake. If you're finding it hard to hit your protein targets while on Ozempic, because your appetite's so low, use a protein powder to hit those targets. And I would use bone broth or collagen protein because I also learned that those proteins are high in amino acids that are known as osmolytes

they're known as osmolytes they draw water in and you want that for your muscle so all the whey protein is what everybody talks about as being the best in this case I think collagen may actually be superior paleo valley another partner we work with they have a chocolate bone broth which is delicious you're gonna want something palatable if your appetite's low. So those are the things that I would recommend while you go through this process.

And the two options at the end of this journey will be stay on a low dose of a GLP-1 on and off for the rest of your life, or perhaps you can go off completely and maintain some of these behaviors. And there's some people that have been able to do that as well. I wanna comment a little bit on the behavior changing stuff

as far as some tips for you. And this becomes even more important when you come off. And that is, if you have certain behaviors, say it's around gaming, say it's around like mine, we're eating ice cream late at night or whatever it is, one of the cool parts about the GLP ones is it has, it completely crushed that for me. I didn't even have it.

But once I came off of it, those temptations came back in. Now the neat part was I found that it was way easier to resist that temptation. And I recognized that what I wanted to do was to replace that behavior with a new behavior. So, and my new behavior became like, oh, my Greek yogurt and my fruit. So that was like instead of ice cream I'm gonna tell myself okay I have this craving now

I'm gonna go do that. It wasn't hard to resist it because I had cut it out for so long with the GLP-1 replaced it with that and now it's like oh my god I forgot how much I love Greek yogurt and fruit and what I'm doing is I'm forming a new relationship with that temptation and craving at night. That will help solidify and keep the bad behaviors at bay. If yours might say yours was gaming, and you notice, wow, when I'm on this GLP-1, I have less of a desire to have to do that all the time, my recommendation would be come up with a healthy behavior

or a behavior you wanna add to your life. So let's say, for example, that might be reading, or that might be training and exercising or going for a walk. So in times where you might have defaulted to, oh I'm going to go sit on the video game for four hours and now you're not doing it as much, try and replace it with a healthier habit or behavior you want to add into your life and the GLP-1 seems, there seems to be a lot of research that's pointing that it helps solidify those new good behaviors and so be be aware of that that's pointing that it helps solidify those new good behaviors. And so be aware of that too. And then like Sal said, the journaling as you go through this process,

a lot of that is not only learning to be more present, but it's also noticing patterns. And that was one of the things I shared with the guys was like, I didn't even realize some of the things I was doing before. And so writing that down will help that for, for when you come off to be ready for and be paying attention and knowing how to, how to have better healthy habits instead of those. Right. Yeah. So replacing the habit of like, you know, replacing addictions was probably one of the things I'm hoping to do. This was, I did do it in the past and especially with my training. And that's kind of how I hit those numbers, uh, in the gym.

Um, but for whatever reason, I'm just having a hard time doing it this time. Yeah. Uh, so for, for, for whatever, whatever reason, it's tough, man. Listen, it's tough. This is a journey. So you're going to go up and down just the way it is. All journeys with your workout. I'm going to say this.

When, when your calories drop, your volume and intensity need to drop as well. A big mistake people make when they go on a GLP one is like, all right, I'm on this weight loss journey. I'm going to work out more. I'm going to work out harder. Not a great idea. You're you're the chances that you'll over train, go up as the calories go down. A good solid routine is a two or three day week, full body routine.

Why you're on this GLP one or even advanced maps. 15 would be a good option. And then I would say, uh, walk after breakfast, lunch and dinner, 10 minute walk, you do that, you're going to be, you're going to do great. Yeah. If you can solidify those new patterns and make that a routine and that you carry after you're off, this is one of those things where it's just gonna create an entirely new protocol for you.

So trying to kind of capture that right now and be intentional about it, that's the hard part, but that's what's really gonna replace what common behaviors you had going into this. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause then like, I do hope to be off with something eventually just cause, uh,

well, I'd rather not be on it for the rest of my life. Of course. Sure. Understood. My friend. Yeah. Like, uh, I mean, I actually haven't even started yet. I actually got my, my dose last, last week, but, uh, I actually haven't even started yet. I actually got my dose last last week, but I was camping this weekend and I think, you know, I'd rather not find out that I'm about to shit my pants and out in the woods, you know.

So you haven't started yet, Andres? Scare the bears. And then I was feeling a little sick last week. Doctor said it might have some GI distress as well. So, um, uh, I figured it might just be a good idea not to do it until I come back home. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you mind me asking how much they're charging you per month? What's a month go for insurance? Cover some of it. I think. Oh, um, I think it was like, uh, was a 0.06, sorry, 0.68 grams, uh, was going with like 250 bucks, Canadian. Yeah. So the thing with Ozempic brand name is it's a set dosage.

So if you find some of the like nausea and it crushes your appetite, talk to your doctor, say, I want to take a lower dose. Cause I know the Ozempic pen is like preloaded. Like it's like, boom, this is a dose. Versus, yeah. The one that I got, it has two doses. So it was like a half dose and then I guess the full dose.

Yes, but even the half dose for some people is too high. Now you might be fine. A lot of people are fine. So don't freak out. But if you're like, oh my God, this is my, I like, I can't, I don't want to eat anything. I'm crushed. Or you feel nausea, then it's probably a little too high.

So like the compound pharmacies, you draw it yourself with an insulin needle and so you could go as low as you want. Starting dose, let's say, would be 25 units, whatever that is, in milligrams, and then you'd be like, oh, that's too much, I'm gonna go way down to five or 10. The preloaded pens don't necessarily allow you to do that.

So if you just don't feel good, that doesn't mean necessarily it's not for you. It may mean the dose is just too high. Tell your doctor, is there a way to cut this even in half and take even less? Although many people don't have that problem. Andreas, also I'm gonna have Doug send you the link. We haven't formally announced this, but it's coming.

We are going to actually coach people through a Three month program that we wrote specifically for GLP ones It's a weight training program lifestyle like you'll get coached by Adam myself and Justin and so we're gonna allow only 50 slots of people to do this with and When we launched the program and it's coming and we're creating a wait list of people that would be interested in it. And so if you go to and Doug will send that over to you, but it's a coachglp1.com and then you could and then

anytime we release any information will send it out to that email list first. So fill that out so you have access to that and that's something you're interested in. We'll make sure to keep you in the loop. Hey, that's awesome. Yeah, I'll definitely have access to that. If that's something you're interested in, we'll make sure to keep you in the loop. Hey, that's awesome. Yeah, I'll definitely sign up for that.

Awesome. Good, good. And you know what, circle back with us in a couple months. I want to hear how this goes. Yep. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, I'll text. All right, man.

All right, hey, thanks guys. Thank you, brother. Thank you, dude. Yeah, we were, I was chatting with him via DM. Yeah, he says that in his email. Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, like I knew like his, he had good questions and I'm like, it's like nuance. This is going to take me a long time to go back and forth via DM.

I do want to say too, and I made it this point a little bit, but the brand name, um, you know, GLP ones, they come pre loaded and it's like, you have two dose options and that's it. And after talking to Dr. Tina, and that episode's already up after talking to Dr. Tina, she's like you have two dose options and that's it and after talking to dr. Tina Yeah, and that episode is already up after talking to dr. Tina. She's like that's too high for a lot of dude even my own experience Yeah, I mean I it's actually a little baffling to me that they don't start really low and then kind of work their way up So I I also that's the clinical dose in the studies that gave them the highest body. I don't know for sure But from my experience of the people that we've been talking to, it seems to be people that are healthier metabolically,

i.e. people require less. And so I'm assuming that that's why they probably have that as a generic disadvantage, because I think most people that- That's what the data, right? Yeah, so I think that has a lot to do with it. But look, I have a buddy that was overweight. He wasn't metabolically healthy.

And he took the tiny, the recommended starting dose. Yeah, and it was too much. And it made him nauseous, he felt terrible. I mean, I asked him, I wanted to know the price, because a lot of people don't understand. First of all, Ozepik is like the first generation of these recent ones. And Trezepatide is better.

That's a dual agonist. Yeah, it's better. It's generic naming. And so it's just not, it's not going to be as expensive. So people that don't understand that going through your doctor and getting an ozempic, even though even if he has some insurance covering, he might be paying more than what he would pay if he were to go through MP hormones. So I was just talking to a friend really similar similar to his size and situation and all that,

what really helped him, he started actually reading an intuitive or a mindful kind of eating book. And then I sent him our intuitive guide and really got a lot of benefit with that going into it. So that way he had sort of an objective, like something like, I wanna start focusing on these whole foods

and start incorporating these things very slowly and it's it's been really helpful. That's why I gave that tip about like recognizing where these habits and behaviors are and then instead of just being like, oh nice, they're gone. Yeah going like Oh, what can I replace in there to create a new habit? Be intentional going in. Yes and I think that's an area where again, this is highlighting why we want to do this with a group of people to really help people understand that you know you're really missing the target if all you do is get on this drug just to lose a bunch of weight and you

don't put any work in you're not thinking you're not going in with any sort of intent you don't create new behaviors around stuff like that you don't make the connections to the things that you were doing before otherwise you're signing up to just be on the ship for the rest of your life. You don't make the connections to the things that you were doing before. Otherwise you're signing up to just be on the shit for the rest of your life and I don't think that's the goal for us at all for people. It's that use this it's a very powerful tool and if you're gonna use it let's use it and make it impactful so that you don't have to use it for the rest of your life and these are some of the things I think that we're gonna

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