Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2391: Signs That Your Workout is Ruining Your Sleep, Where to Start as a Trainer in the Fitness Industry, How to Fix Post-Workout Headaches & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you’re on a low-carb diet increase your sodium intake! (2:30) When old things become cool again. (7:28) Sal’s daughter is a spitfire. (18:10) ‘How to Build a Profitable 7 or 8-Figure Coaching Business’ free webinar. (19:45) Mind Pump Recommends Skywalkers: A Love Story on Netflix. (24:50) Kids say and do the darndest things. (30:13) A lesson in trust. (35:05) Getting excited about the challenge. (38:52) Is mental illness the manifestation of spiritual illness? (41:03) The best time to visit the coast. (48:46) The Di Stefano’s love Ned! (51:17) Shout out to Roya at the Fitness Equinox Beverly Hills. (54:09) #ListenerLive question #1 - Given the drawbacks of training in a group format, would you advise I move forward with this opportunity to gain experience or keep trying/and or wait until a one-on-one training opportunity becomes available? (55:11) #ListenerLive question #2 - Can poor sleep be related to your workouts? (1:08:01) #ListenerLive question #3 - Is it less effective to cold plunge and use the sauna daily and if so, does it make sense to cycle these two things in order to continue to see and feel benefits? (1:18:05) #ListenerLive question #4 - I have been experiencing headaches doing shoulder exercises. Any advice to relive this? (1:31:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off ** July Promotion: MAPS Split | Sexy Athlete Bundle 50% off! ** Code JULY50 at checkout ** Research team discovers link between sodium and migraines before pain occurs The Legend of Vox Machina (TV Series 2022- ) - IMDb How to Build a Profitable 7 or 8 Figure Coaching Business (Aug 7, 2024 7pm eastern, 4pm pacific) Watch Skywalkers: A Love Story | Netflix Official Site Watch Love Island USA Streaming Online (2022-) | Peacock Spirituality, religiousness, and mental health: A review of the current scientific evidence Beverly Hills Fitness Club - Equinox Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** Your choice of bone-in chicken thighs, top sirloins, or salmon in every box for an entire year, plus get $20 off! ** 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Mind Pump #2312: Five Steps To Bounce Back From Overtraining Visit Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order ** Visit Eight Sleep for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Use code MINDPUMP to get $350 off Pod 4 Ultra. Currently ship to United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Europe, and Australia ** Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Add Size to Your Traps with Farmer Walks MAPS Prime Pro Webinar What are the Best Mobility Exercises for Shoulders? The Wall Test | Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Jason Phillips (@realjasonphillips) Instagram Vicki Reynolds (@vicki__reynolds) Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram  

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of a low carb diet, low energy, headaches, brain fog, are actually the result of something else. It's not the low carbs, it's that they need to bump their sodium. It's true. If you go on a low carb diet, increase your sodium intake and watch how great you feel. A lot of people don't realize that low carb diets suck water out of your body, including sodium, and you need to replace that to feel better. You know, this was kind of top of mind for me

this past weekend. I'm on week, actually this will be my third shot again of taking the GLP-1 again, but I'm doing like a smaller dose. But I do already notice that I'm eating less and I had a day or two, I think in a row, where I I actually didn't get that and it like kind of didn't dawn on me and I felt like fatigue. I had like a mild headache as soon as I drank the element tea like yeah like right away And I feel like that's not For the the GLP space. I don't hear anyone really talking a lot about that. I know dr

Seeds mentioned it, but I haven't heard that. Yeah. Uh, like for as much as that's talked about, I don't hear that. Like, like that's gotta be a must, I feel like. Yeah. So, uh, so just kind of off, off topic, but, uh, they, it reduces your appetite, but it also reduces your thirst signal. And so you have a compounding effect because you're eating less and a significant

percentage of our fluid intake comes from our food, not majority, but enough to where if you drop your food intake, your water intake tends to drop unless you replace it with more water. But because the GLP-1 also reduces thirst or the signal for more water, you tend to see that. And so needing more fluid and then pumping sodium, uh, can help quite a bit. But with low carb diets, they used to call it keto flu. Remember that? Keto diet was all popular?

Oh, don't worry, push through it. Keto flu is you feel like crap, but after a couple weeks or whatever, it was sodium. Because when you go on a low carb diet, if you want a regular diet, if all, let's say your calories are controlled, so we're not gonna go from terrible, standard American diet to all of a sudden you're tracking your macros

and you're going low carb. Let's just say same calories, 2,500, 2,500, but one diet is, you know, traditional carbohydrate intake. The other diet is like zero to 50 grams. So you'd say it's a keto diet. You're going to notice rapid weight loss in that first week. It's not fat by the way, we all know this now, this is pretty well established. It's not that you lost a lot of fat in that first week, it's that you get rid of a lot of water. And along with that, you just feel like garbage. Yeah, fatigue. I mean, you get fatigue,

you get brain fog, you get a lot of those things, which I was surprised because I'm like, I'm eating cleaner. I'm adjusting my diet so I should have like this nice, uh, clean energy to burn. But in fact, I'm not retaining that water. And, uh, you know, that was a big performance drop for me. And so what happens when you lose all that water, you lose a lot of sodium as well. So people were replaced the water, but then their electrolyte imbalance is off. So one of the, I mean, if you're on a low carb diet, if you're on a keto diet, a carnivore diet, and I'll even add, if you're on a low carb diet, if you're on a keto diet, a carnivore diet, and I'll even add if you switched from a diet that was

mostly processed foods, like the standard American diet, and you move to a very unprocessed food diet, so you just cleaned up your diet, let's say. Yeah, just whole food. All of those scenarios, most people would benefit from adding sodium to their diet. And it's like when your electrolyte balance is off because of those, one of those four scenarios, and then you, you replace it within

minutes of 10, 15 minutes, it's a radical change in how you feel. So I'll take somebody like this low carb or whatever, they feel like garbage. I'll that's what I do. I was, I'll say have a packet of element tea and some water. Let's wait 30 minutes.

See how you're feeling like, oh my God, I feel way better. I feel so much different. It makes a tremendous difference. When your sodium is low or your electrolytes are low, you feel your performance sucks. You don't get good pumps. I see headaches. Headaches is a big one.

That was a big part of it, and then starting to kind of supplement more with electrolytes, like really, that in itself made a big dent. Yeah. Have you guys seen the data? I think I brought it up on an old episode on migraines and sodium. No. Yeah. So people who suffer from chronic migraines, a significant portion or percentage of them benefit from bumping their sodium intake. Yeah. And they start to notice that they don't get as many

migraines. This was my cousin, my cousin, I just saw them this weekend. I was at my nephew's birthday party and she comes over and she's like, my wife gets migraine. Now my wife's migraines are better with hydration, all that, but there's something else going on with her. She's had it since she was a baby. So we were talking about how bad they can get.

And my cousin was like, oh, I just, you know, the sponsor you work with Sal, I'm like, oh, element. She's like, yeah, I do that. And it makes a big difference on my migraines. Jessica's noticed some difference as well, but hers, there's something else going on. She's had since she was a kid, we can't really figure out what's happened. She still gets some benefit from bumping it up. Yeah.

So speaking of being a kid, which one of you had the note about stuff you got made fun of as a kid and then is different than when you get as an adult. Oh, that was just a general thought that I had. Was that you? Yeah, because we were, I was actually just thinking about it the other day, that's why I asked. Cause it's like almost everything. Almost everything that you get made fun of as a kid.

If you're in elementary, junior high and high school, then later as an adult, it's cool. It is cool. Yeah, no, reading, being a nerd, you know what I'm saying? Like all those types of things. Playing an instrument. Making your own food. Being independent.

Having lunchables. You know, like all these things that like you would make you kind of uncool growing up tend to make you like a cool person when you get older. Even like the one that I think about is playing an instrument. Unless it's like a guitar or you're in a rock band. You know, if you play like a saxophone

or you play any instrument, aside from the quote unquote cool ones, you're gonna get made fun of. You know, violin, right? Then when you're in like your mid-20s, especially in your 30s. Bust that out on a date. Oh my God.

Yeah, yeah. Play an instrument after dinner. If you're a guy and you pull out a violin and you start playing it. I feel like it's coming back, but that was a little bit of a disconnect for me when I was in the high school setting and I was coaching, like the most popular kid who's like, you know, you're stereotypical, like he's the quarterback, like he's like, you

know, he has all the friends and all this, you know what he did on the weekends? What he played Dungeons and Dragons and drink soda with his friends. Oh, really? Yeah. And I was like, That's not common. Yeah, I scratched my head, but I was like, it was a different culture shift. Dungeons and Dragons, I think is making its way.

It's because of Stranger Things. Yes, and I think it's making its way to Cool Kids. It's been around long enough. Is that what they were playing in Stranger Things? Yeah. It was actually the game. That's what it's all based around. Okay, I was just in Dragons.

Now, did they call it Dungeons and Dragons on there or they called it something else? I don't know. Yeah, that's basically what it is because other than that it's like Magic and Gathering. They call it D&G, right? That's what they call it. Oh yeah, my oldest, he's all big into that.

You know that was- He was? He still is. Oh, he still is? They play still in college. They get together in groups and they go crazy with it. Wow. Yeah, I'm trying to organize it so that-

I'm not sure if that ever gets cool. So that's sure if that ever gets cool. I'm not sure if that it's starting to adjust and called it. You're hearing it more and more because it's been around so long. I think it's because it's been around so long. Old things start to get cool, you know, because it was invented in the 1970s. Yeah, I'm not mistaken.

So give me like the high level or short version just of it. It's like, is there strategy involved? Of course. Or is it just all like dorky, like role play? Yeah, I mean, it's both. It's both. You have sort of like a game master. I played like when I was like in elementary school.

Oh, so you did play? I did play. Yeah, I hung out with nerds, dude. Like I kind of went back and forth with nerds and then the jocks. And I was like somewhere in between. Yeah. Mainly because I was trying to relate to my brother because he's like an uber nerd

Yeah, and so how did your brother play all growing up? He played a little bit, you know, it's funny about the whole thing It's cuz it's like my parents are like super super conservative Christian So it was like they're like you guys are like it's like So I was doing it like a wizard sneakily Oh, you're a belly like yeah, I mean, witchcraft. It's like, you know, it's so. So I was doing it like. Because they're wizards? Sneakily. Oh, you were rebelling? I felt like, yeah, I felt like I was doing, you know, I was being bad.

Like a Ouija board? Yeah, exactly. I'm summoning the devil or something. No, Ouija board is different. I almost feel like. Oh, that's, yeah, I don't fuck with Ouija boards. I did when I was a kid. Really?

I did. Yeah, we talked about this before. No fakes. I know, and now I'm learning that shit's real. Hey. Don't mess with that. Hey, finish telling me. Okay. So what can I get like a high level? I'm going to do a terrible job because it's been since like elementary school that I played, but it's like a roll, like you roll dice. Andrew, do you know, did you ever play? I don't feel like

you played. I feel like you were a job. I feel like you were cooler than Justin. Did you? This is like a dungeon master. I sat down at a table and Played it but I had been invited to play video games versions of it And what I know about the game is basically like kids come together They decide like what the adventure is gonna be they all pick a role and then they play which are like most video games Nowadays role-playing games so all the scenarios kind of happen and then you figure out what to do based off of like your character like What kind of powers you have how you can level up, you know all those kinds of things Is there there's cards right that go with it? Yeah, and so like, okay We agree that the adventure is going to be we all go rescue the princess and we have to slay it decides that yeah

Okay Well, let's just say we agreed on that or with the Game Master game master says we're gonna go slay a dragon and or save a Princess and along the way we run into a dragon we run into a moat We is that like I don't know if you tell them all that so we've been trying to organize a game with my so many Nerds mad at us right now. I know listen. I can't understand. I don't understand it. Yeah, I haven't played yet But apparently we'll get a caller now that will bring it up. So we'll be able to address So apparently you pick you pick you can pick what kind of a world that is it fantasy? Is it sci-fi? Is it like, you know Western?

I mean you can go all over the place then you have a game master and then you all pick different characters and the game master tells a story and then When your character comes in you play the character you speak like the character Some people get as much as dressing up like the character. You LARP it. Yeah. Oh, so we could actually take it to this level

where like, I mean, does this happen? Where let's say we're all like this, and I'm the game master and I go, okay, it's Monday when we meet. It's a Western theme, you know? And so then you guys would show up, you know where the theme is around. You're the archer, you're the dwarf.

Yeah, I'm a Western wizard. This could be fun. There's hella characters, like hella categories too. I'm definitely a sorcerer. Are you? No, I just, I wanna be. Now, is this like pal over your head? Are you not familiar with any of this?

It's totally over my head, never played it. Yeah, yeah, they didn't have this in the 40s. At all, this came with. Come on. This came with. Hey, he was alive when Dungeons and Dragons existed. We fought real dragons. Yeah, they didn't have this in the 40s at all. This came away. Come on. This came away. He was alive when Dungeons & Dragons existed. We fought real dragons.

Exactly. Game of Thrones style. Let me tell you where they made that game from. I used to ride a dragon to school. What are you talking about? No, and you can play for a long time. One game can last months. Yeah, okay.

So how do you determine the end of the game or how you win? Like how do you, nobody wins. It's a story that everybody has that leads to, you know, a peak. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds terrible. I know. I think the same thing. It's a way to spend your time. Listen, I don't want to be arrogant because if, if this game is, it is lasted for decades and it's maintained popularity. It's fun if you're creative and you're like into like fantasizing.

At least not the conventional way. It's storytelling. And so, listen, I don't want to be arrogant because here's a game. Did I say D&G? I think I said D&G before. D&G, Adam. What was it?

D&G. D&G. Dolce and Gabbana. Adam. So it's lasted decades. It's it has lasted through the digital age where people play video games and whatever. It's still a tabletop game. Terrible movie.

Yeah. So it's to me, it's like, it's gotta, there's gotta be something to it. Right. Otherwise, how would it last so long? No, it's fun. I could see, I mean, in there in the nerds defense, I mean, it's like the people, uh, could pick apart the, all of us grown men that watch other grown men play sports and root for a team. Yeah, you pick your face and don't know where you're going.

It's fantasy football, it's the same thing. I mean, except that ends. It's fair. And I don't know, it simulates a lot of real life scenarios, I don't know. I just don't know about the fantasy world, like simulating too much in the the real world here it seems like to me. So there's no winner of it. They'll use your imagination. Does the, what'd you call them? The game, what'd you say? Master. The game master. Does the game master like- Doesn't play. The game master's not in the game. They're helping tell the story.

So I'm just orchestrating it. Correct. So like you might- Now this happens. So you might- And then it has to react. Okay, so like you, you, this is- I really am interested on how this works. You wanna play? I don't. I just wanna understand it. Like, so we have this theme. We agreed it's a Western theme.

I'm the game master. Do I- do you play a card that determines the direction of the story? No, the game master I think tells, sets the stage and each person tells a piece of the story as you move along. And so everybody's working together to create this story. This, this, this big story. One of them, one of these stories was turned into an animated film on, uh, was it Amazon prime? I can't remember the name of it.

It was actually a popular animated film that was based off of an actual game of Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. Yeah, and like I said, I know this because I've been trying to organize this. You know like Stranger Things whole, like a story, backstory and all that?

There's a backstory? Of course. No. Yeah, a lot of those are based off of like conspiracy, like with the monotalk monster and, uh, in, in a lot of the experiments, uh, with MK Ultra experience and things like, so all of that is like, you know, when they experiment on kids with their psychic abilities and, and all of that kind of stuff, they were basing it off of like seventies, like conspiracy theory lore.

Wow. Yeah. There you go. Right there. and all of that kind of stuff. They were basing it off of like 70s like conspiracy theory lore. Yeah, there you go right there. The Honor Among Thieves of 2023 was a fantasy action comedy film. It was based off the popular tabletop game. Oh, and that's not based on an actual game that happened. No, the one that I'm talking about, I can't remember the name of it, it's an animated film.

Okay, so then I decide when this ends, like just maybe because- Everybody together. Like, you know, Justin decides when it gets to his turn, he's just like, and then I shot the bad guy and got the girl, and then I'm like, and that's the end. Is that how- I guess.

I guess. But you've never played it that long, so I don't know. Apparently you do, you gotta make the voices and everything too, you have to be in character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So- Interesting. It is, it is. There's a very, very small part of me that wants to say.

Oh, that's Legends of Vox Machina. That was actually an actual game that people played, like an actual specific game that got turned into that actual show. Dungeons and Dragons TV series. There's even a TV series around that. It's a thing, dude. Yeah, bro. It's a thing. dude. Bro, is that is a franchise?

Can you look up? Is the franchise worth a lot of money? Like who owns who owns the rights? It's gotta be. Yeah, who owns the rights? Like that's that's gotta be huge. That's even more. Now look at it.

That's more. That's more interesting. Hasbro. Oh, Hasbro owns it. I don't think we started it, though. I think it was started by. No, they acquired it for $25 million. When?

In 1997. Oh. What's it worth now? Steel. I know, it's gotta be worth way more now. They bought it for 25 million? Yeah. Yeah, cause they had G.I. Joe's.

Who's the founder? Let's look him up. Like, where is he at now? He could get cashed out at 25. So you wanna hear the world that we all decided? This is, so it's supposed to be me, my son, my daughter. Did you play? We haven't played yet.

We're trying to organize it. So we decided that we're gonna be in a cyberpunk, sci-fi reality and drugs will be involved. That was my fucking 14 year old daughter said. Let's bring drugs in. What? Wow. Your daughter said that?

Listen, listen. Oh my God. Listen, she's on fire, dude. My daughter. She's a spitfire. Dude, this that? Listen, listen. Oh my God. Listen, she's on fire, dude. My daughter. She's a spitfire. Dude, this week, hey listen, this, this weekend I really, I saw things in her and I'm like, you know what?

She's a lot like me, ah shit. Do you know what she was doing? She comes out of her room and she's got her hair tied back. She's obviously summertime, no school, right? And she's like, can I get some ice? I'm like, yeah, some ice in the freezer or whatever. So she gets some, and then she gets a big metal bowl, fills it with water and puts ice in it.

I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, I'm gonna put my, I'm gonna dip my face in it. I'm like, why? She's like, cause I heard it's a good morning routine. I'm gonna do it every single morning. So I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? Next thing I know, she's asking me about supplements. She's asking about performance and her dark humor.

And I'm adding everything up. She's like overly ambitious and competitive. And I'm adding all of this up. I'm like, uh-oh, I did not realize this. She's a lot like I am. Wow, between 100 and 150 million in annual revenue. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's revenue. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, that's a good one. Wow. See? Now you respect it? Yeah. Yeah, now I'm interested. There's money involved? Yeah.

Wow, that's crazy. Hey, speaking of money, I gotta ask you about this, Adam. Yeah. You're doing a, it's free, right, webinar? Oh, with Jason. Okay, so. Super cool. You're gonna teach coaches, let me get this straight, because this is gonna be, I Jason. Okay, so you're gonna teach coaches, let me get this straight,

because this is gonna be, I don't think I've ever seen one of these, how to build a seven? To eight. Eight figure? Yeah. So how you can basically become a millionaire coaching. So yes, and in addition to that,

Jason's gonna be announcing something really big on it, and I can't talk about what that's going to be yet, but it'll be pretty cool for, especially anybody that's a serial entrepreneur, especially obviously if you're in the health fitness coaching business, because we're going to do a deep dive on his business, on our business, what it's like scaling them, the challenges that we've had, and then of course,

the big news that Jason has to announce. And it's absolutely free. and it's absolutely free. So there's, it's absolutely free. I know the time, if you can't make the time, I believe you're going to be able to do replay. I don't know if Doug, Doug, you know. Oh, Doug wrote it up there. August 7th, 7 PM Eastern, 4 PM Pacific.

And you go to ncimindpump.com. Yes. So you can register, register now. So here's the deal. And I believe you in order to get the replay, you obviously have to register. So if you, if you want the replay, you're going to need to register. If you can't, you register now. So here's the deal. And I believe you, in order to get the replay, you obviously have to register. So if you want the replay, you're gonna need to register. If you can't make the actual time,

is if you make the time, you're gonna be able to interact with Jason and I, ask live questions and interact with us. If you can't, you can at least watch the talk. So I get, typically in our space, I get annoyed with stuff like, how to be a seven figure fitness, and I look at the people teaching,

I'm like, you've never done it, how do you know? But you guys have. Can I tell you something? You've got Jason Phillips and you, who are No proven track record before that. Arguably the two best people to listen to for something like this. Everybody else sucks.

Everybody else has never done it on their own. They've just taught people how to do something that they've never done. So their business is teaching people something. Make a million dollars off of you purchasing their idea. Yes, you guys have actually done it, so this is crazy. Since you guys brought this up, can I share with you something that I learned

this just recently that has kind of shot ourselves in the foot that I was unaware of? What do we do? You kind of pointed it out. One of the things that we tend to, I mean, our goal is to help trainers become such good trainers that they make seven and eight figures, but we've chose to not market with that strategy. Right.

And I think that just comes from our integrity of this, like, you know, the, the, how cheesy that is and how a lot of people that haven't even made that kind of money present themselves at and we just didn't want to get lumped in that category. And it's just like, and our philosophy and style is if we teach you how to be a great communicator, a good trainer, a good coach, the money comes, right? But that's kind of also hurt us. And I didn't know like, so if we were to present everything the way we do, like the way we teach coaching right now, and like, if you look at our Instagram page, the trainer, Mind Pump Trainers, right? And you see how you and I are doing videos and Justin's doing videos on like how we're

teaching. If we literally just started those videos with how to make seven or eight figures or how to make more money as a coach and then gave that advice, and then we put ourselves on YouTube and YouTube shorts under the category of finance. We literally like 7X our ad revenue on YouTube. Why? Because the RSM that they pay for financial advice

is significantly higher than training. Yes. But you didn't tell us. No, but like, we're not doing that. Like that's again, this is a compromise. I don't think you're trying to do back Yeah, and I think we're gonna compromise. All right, the time. Yes. Yeah, so I so I'm like which is interesting, right? So we're gonna make her level now. We're gonna do this free webinar thing. I actually was talking to Dylan This weekend we were hanging out and one of the things I brought up to him is like, hey

there's there's nothing wrong with you know, instead of us being like just a mind pump coaching and, and, and just giving that same exact coaching advice, but, but leading it with how to make more money and be more successful financially as a trainer, if we just preface it with that or start it with that, and we build a page around financial advice around there, it all of a sudden it's like five to seven X the ad revenue. So you have to have significantly smaller of an audience. And you know why that is, I'm sure you can guess. Yeah, of course, bro.

People interested in making more money tend to, yeah. And the people that pay for the advertising. So you're gonna get people that are chasing to make seven, eight figures, the type of ad revenue that comes to those pages versus someone who's just workout advice or supplements. They're a lot more interested in advertising or something like that. Fitness space is not a great money maker, is it? It's just workout advice or supplement. Yes.

Fitness space is not a great money maker. It's not. And so that also gives me a little, I mean, I understand now why you have that. Hey, our goal was to help people, wasn't to make money. We were to help people make money doing it. So we did it in that order. All right, fine. But anyways, so that was just top of mind because you brought that up.

But yeah, Jason and I are going to dive into that. And it's a total free webinar for our audience. So if you're listening right now and you have it registered, go register. It's absolutely free. It's going to be a great discussion. Anytime I get to talk to you. I love talking business with Jason.

Yeah, two bests. So it's going to be a lot of fun. You guys remember that free solo documentary? Yeah, yeah. Well, I got something be a lot of fun. You guys remember that free solo documentary? Yeah, yeah. Well, I got something that's kind of similar. But it's like, I think they call it the skywalkers. Oh, I saw the guy and the girl. Yes.

I didn't watch it though. It's fantastically done. Oh, really? Really cool. So their whole thing is they go to the very tops of these structures, buildings, skyscrapers, and they'll go to the cranes and climb all the way to the very, very top, take some ridiculous picture, have drones kind of flying around them where they're above the entire city.

It's like death-defying stuff. Bro, it gives me anxiety just listening to you talk. I'm already sweating. It's so gnarly. And they do this without equipment? You've seen this out before. Remember when this was a viral sensation? It's the coolest pictures and videos you've ever seen though. Like nobody's willing to and the thing is like they're all worried about people copycatting. I'm like nobody's gonna

copycat that. Like first of all, there's there's security guards and all that on the top floors that they figured out these genius ways of like, um, because they're breaking laws here. Yeah, they're breaking laws. They're getting, they're getting through, uh, and putting on disguises there. It's really interesting to kind of watch to see how they like navigate through like some of these really difficult buildings and like they want to be the first to like, there's this one, uh, in Malaysia, I believe that that nobody had done it yet. And it was like their ultimate goal to do it.

And the background of the girl is really interesting because she came up from like a circus background. And her parents were in the circus and trapeze. That makes sense. Yeah, and so her thing was to start doing these like gymnastic kind of poses on top of these structures. And it's like, it just, oh my God, dude, like I get sweat out of my eyes watching it.

Don't you guys remember this? I wanna say it was like five, seven years ago. We were doing this, okay? And I don't remember which one of you started, I thought it was you, Sal. I thought you remember this. There's like a whole movement on Instagram, and has been for a long time now, of stuff like this,

of people videoing them on edges of buildings and skyscrapers like this. And I was like, I can't even watch it. I couldn't even watch the reels on Instagram. I guess they kind of started the trend and they go through how they connected because she wanted to start doing it, but in a creative way. He was already doing all these crazy structures that everybody was like, wow, I can't believe he climbed that.

And they do these where they're like on top of, they're just hanging like in between, like these, these towers and just like holding on with one hand and one foot. And they're like holding hands in the middle of nothing, you know, but like hundreds of feet below. You know, what's weird about that is I don't think I have, I'm not, I don't think I'm afraid of heights at all, but that shit like gives me. Normal. Yeah, but that shit like gives me a normal

Well, that's not a regular that's like a normal here, bro. No, yeah, that's It's I wonder if Jessica knows who that is. You said she's in the she was in the circus. She was in the circus for She might know who she is. I don't think she compete as much in that But this is kind of like where she found her niche, you know that whole that the circus tradition huge in Italy and Eastern Europe that's really that's what I think they're Ukraine Russian backgrounds so yeah wow it's very popular I saw that that popped up on our would you watch it though it's a trip. Would you rather climb here's a good question would you rather climb a crane like one of those tall ass cranes with no safety harness, or give a speech to 50,000 people live?

Crane. 50,000 people. 50,000 people. And you'd rather do the crane? Yeah. No! No, yeah. Hell no.

Yeah, hell no. Those are the two biggest top fears. They would both suck, but you know. Those are the two top fears. Are heights, heights, and public speaking? I know public speaking is. Well actually, it depends on what I had to speak upon. How about that? If it was like something like completely outside of my comfort, well then that might get,

well shit, that might get me like that too. That's what I'm saying. Like you have to do some dissertation on some like crazy scientific study. I'm out, dude. Just point to the slides and talk about what's on the slide. Yeah, just all pictures. I don't know. Even then, I could probably see myself being able to muster the courage to bullshit my way through a situation like that.

But I couldn't just climb, climb, climb, climb, climb. And then you're looking around. Oh, then your hands start to lose. Yeah. My palms are sweaty right now. Just talking about it. That was trippy, because she actually went through that, because she injured her hand as they're trying to escape from security,

and was going through this whole thing to try to get back into not having the fear. She let the fear come in. And so started climbing again, and then was paralyzed when she was out on the structure, and was hanging, and was just like, I can't do it. I can't do it. And then you feel that as you're watching it, and you're just like, oh my god. Imagine you start getting paralyzed and was just like, I can't do it, I can't do it. And then you feel that as you're watching it

and you're just like, oh my God, imagine you start getting paralyzed where you're like, I can't move. I can't move. You know where that happens often? What is it? Half Dome, where people will hike Half Dome and they have to stop because you're doing it with a guide, the guide will take you up.

So it's not like a lot of people do Half Dome. It's hard, but a lot of people do it. They'll oftentimes have to stop because someone will freeze and they have to like get them back down. I didn't know that was common. Yeah it's not that uncommon. So weird that you put yourself in something like that when you know that it's not. I guess I guess that's the excitement. Right well I guess some people too are trying to challenge and overcome their fears right and so I'm sure they there's plenty that fail then and

attempting to do that. You were bringing up communication earlier. I gotta tell you, I got my three year old who's just, the kid is just, I don't know what I'm gonna do with him. I heard him talking shit to his mom. The answer to talking shit. Bro, it's three, how's he talking shit already? So he was, I don't know what it was, he was mad. He wanted to do something, she wouldn't let him.

So he's trying to get at her. So he'll say something like, I don't like you, you're a bad person. She's like, whatever, it doesn't affect me, right? So she had just gotten her car washed earlier that day, so it was all clean. And she was talking about, oh my God, I love how my car's clean and this and that.

So that was earlier in the day. So this is later on. They're getting out of the car and he's mad at her and he's walking inside all pissed off. And he's like, and your car looks ugly. It doesn't even look clean. He's walking in like, what is this? Wow, wow.

Your car looks ugly. It's not clean. Next level, dude. I know, I'm like, next level. He's like just finding the button. Where's the button? I don't know what's happening recently, but he's been coming in like five o'clock in the morning,

he'll walk in our room now, just no problem. And Jessica's really good about not telling him, because if he ever needs to get us, we don't want him to feel like he can't, right? So now he's decided he's gonna do this every single fricking morning, dude. And so I get up and I'm trying to shield him from her so she can get a little bit of sleep,

because I get up early anyway. So he comes, and he's cute, right? He tries to be quiet about it. He opens the door, he walks in. So I'm like, hey, buddy, let's go downstairs. We'll go make some pancakes. He's like, no, no, no. He's like, I just have to tell mom something.

I'm like, no, no, let's let her sleep. No, no, I think I'm going to tell her something. And I'm like, I'm going to take you downstairs right now. And then he starts doing this. No, no. He starts doing it under his voice. No, I'm going to talk to mom. No.

And I'm like, oh, he's going to wake up his sister. Oh, my. Go talk to your mom, dude. She like, Oh, he's gonna wake up his sister. Oh my God. Talk to your mom. She's about you. Why'd you let him come in? No, she's really good because I want to just pick them up. Right. But then I know that it'll be, that'll be even bro. The kid is just dude, speaking of kids coming in the room. So, so Max, Max will do the same thing. Right. He'll come in like at, you know, three or four in the morning. And he, I think he's figured this out.

He's figured out that if we're like knocked out and he climbs in the bed, like no one's gonna get up and take him back to his bed. If he comes in at like 11 or midnight, then one of us kind of wakes, and it's like, okay, buddy, back to your room. And then we bring him back to his room. Where if he slides in at three, four in the morning,

it's already like, we're like, oh. Yeah, just let him kind of climb in. So he does that, right? So the other morning or like middle of the night, whatever, he comes in and Katrina is out. She's not in the room. She's in another room, stuff like that. She was having some pain. I think I was telling you guys some of the stuff that she's dealing with right now. And so she was like, had a heating pad on herself and she was out of the room. And so it's just me and him. So he comes climbing in next to me. And so I don't know if you've ever seen him with Katrina. He does this. Katrina has like this little mole underneath her neck.

And so that's how he soothes himself. And he's done it since he was a baby. He's done it since he was a baby, right? That's so cute. So when he comes in at like three, four in the morning like this, he's also like sleepwalking. Like you can try and talk to him,

hey buddy, and he doesn't even, he doesn't acknowledge you. He just like crawls right in and then he's out right away. And then he'll right away, he'll like rub her mole and then be out, right? So I'm in there. I don't think he realizes it's just me and him. And so he's laying here.

And dude, I'm like trying to see him. He's looking for the mole? You know, fingers going up my nose. He's like reach. And I'm like, I have to grab Max. It's daddy. It's not mommy. And he like looks up.

And then he leaves. You know, he wants to see? He wants to sleep next to me. Ah, forget it. Yeah, I can't rub mom's nose. But it was so annoying. He's like rubbing all over my face and it took me a minute to realize, what is he doing?

Oh, he's looking for his mom's mole. He's looking for to find it and he can't find it on my neck. He fills my face. We were at my, I told you guys, my nephew's birthday party over the weekend, and it was at, there's like this little farm, on the way to Half Moon Bay,

cause he lives there. Yeah, where all the animals, the farms are for kids. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, I don't know what that place is called. It's called. They have like goats and, okay, so you've been there. That place is great. So anyway, we're there, and you wanna see,

like I've told you guys about my nephew, he's my brother, reincarnated. He gets in the goat goat where the goats are, and most kids are like timid, kind of scared of the goats. Especially if goats. Going feed them. No bro, he was chasing them, headlocking them, they're running. I'm like, I looked at my brother like he's one of those

goats that get a duck to get out, dude. So my brother's like kind of going behind him to just walk, but he's chasing these headbutt you, dude. They get all like, rrrr. Dude, he doesn't care, bro. He does not care. He's just like my brother. He's just reckless, nuts, chasing around.

We're all cracking up, because my brother's exhausted. He's a great dad, he's such a good dad. But he gets tired because his kids have his son, and now his youngest already. His youngest just turned one, just started walking. I'm like, you're dead, bro. Because keeping up with his son is so hard

because he has endless energy. He's got two. The other one's like that too. Oh my god. Oh, bro, you're good, you're gonna have to baby proof everything because yeah. You know how I was telling you guys that, you know, one of the things that I have hard times,

like Max is like very, can be very timid about things, and I'm like, but I also. But I also told you guys too, I remember how I was as this kid where I wasn't afraid so much as I want to do what I want to do on my terms. And so I would do these really risky, dangerous things if it was something I want to do. But if somebody else tried to goat me into doing something, I'd be like, no, I don't want to. And then it would come off that way. And this is a trait that I see in my son to the point where it's like, it's so funny when you see it come out, like he's, so he's got one of those big, uh, you know, blow up sides. And I have a video that I'll share with you guys.

It's so funny. And I'm sitting there and he's, you know, he's been playing on this thing for, I don't know how many months now we've had it for almost a year or whatever. And now he's off the top of it. He jumps and launches himself and shoots off almost to where he's going to come flying out to the point where I got really nervous I had to slide my chair closer in case because there's concrete right on the other side of it I'm like there you go but yeah but I'm letting him do it like and Katrina comes out she's like I can't believe you're

letting him do I'm like let's let him push himself like that like I want that I want him to have that trait and the fact that he's doing it on his own like I don't want to Tell him like don't do that. I'm all scared because he's already that way with a lot of other things So it's really interesting to see that side of his personality come out where you think he's just so timid and scared to do stuff But then all of a sudden you see this other thing that's way more risky that he's down You brought up a great point where sometimes you bend a little bit because you know their tendencies You know, so you kind of want to totally because otherwise you would be like don't do so with my 14 year old my daughter I was telling you guys earlier

We had another moment where you know, we have a great relationship But we joke around talk or whatever and we were hanging out and she's like I want you guys to watch this show with me And my daughter's never really asked us to watch something with her because she's totally into the show so I'm like well what's what is it she's like bear with me she's like it's cringy it's a dating show I'm like okay she's like but it's not like any other dating show this is like a really good one there's some captivating parts I'm like so she's trying to sell me so I'm like but you know I want to bond I want to connect with her right so I'm like what is it called Love Island oh my god I don't know what this show is, okay?

So I'm like, all right, let's put it on. So remember, my daughter's 14. So I put it on and it's all about bro. It's all sex appeal. And they try and get him to cheat by bringing a bunch of other things. Yeah, and they make out, they play games when they're making out.

And I'm sitting there, and Jessica and I are sitting there gritting our teeth, and I'm like, okay, she's let us in. Yeah. This is a trust thing. Yeah, you can't freak out. She's a teenager. Yeah, you can't freak out. The dad teeth. And I'm like, okay, she's let us in. This is a trust thing. She's a teenager. The dad in me wants to be like, you're not allowed to watch this or anything now.

Now you're not allowed to watch. Now the TV's coming out. Now you're done with anything. But at the same time, she's letting me in her world. This is giving us opportunities to bond and communicate. It's really hard not to hold my comments back because things will happen. I'm like, oh my God.

That's such the, I mean, right? You have to balance. You have to believe this is the old wise version of you. Like 25 year old reacts, doesn't see that. Like you being a mature older dad, I feel the same way with the way you bring it up with the Maxis thing. It's like I know.

Like what he's doing is dangerous because he doesn't take a lot of risks in other areas. I wanna allow it. Yeah, I want him to be able to be stretched out. And like, you know what I did was I just kind of like Like what he's doing is dangerous, but because he doesn't take a lot of risks in other areas. I wanna allow it, yeah. I want him to be able to be stretched out. And like, you know what I did was like, I just kinda like slid in to be there just in case, but I don't want him to see me freak out.

Oh, don't do that. Now he's like overly cautious about everything. So no, that's the same thing with her. But it was funny, because hearing her like certain guys would come out, and then like there's a couple of them that, I kinda know her type a little bit, right? So they're kinda handsome. and she'd be like and I'm like I'll make a comment like oh my god What a douchebag she like no. No, actually, I think he's he's more legit. He seems like a more authentic guy

And so Jessica I picked up on this like thing right like oh, yeah, she like people you think are good-looking No, no, he seems like a real like a real guy well my youngest ever he's been on this new tear of like figuring out how specifically to make fun of me. Uh, and it's, it's hysterical. Like I, I didn't see it coming because it's like, you know, you, you just don't think that at some point, like it's going to land, like they always try and be funny, it's not really like funny. Uh, but like, so anytime I grown or. It's not really like funny, but like,

so anytime I groan or whatever, he's picked up on that. Or anytime like I'm like yawning really loud and obnoxious or like any of the dad noises. So he'll start going around and he'll be opening up something in the refrigerator and be like, ah! Yeah, he's to the tee, like exactly like what I saw. He'll tie his shoes, be like, ah! I saw like he'll tie his shoes But then now it's like making me like self-conscious about that I'm like, oh man I do do that

Nailed it older guy ready sit down. Hmm You gotta brace your core, yeah, so I'm excited I just signed him up for the Jiu-jitsu class Oh, did you started and he's digging it? Oh, that's because we just stopped with with gymnastics and so he's gonna crush mark My word. This is one of those things mark my words. He within a year. He's gonna be like he's gonna crush He with his background and his attitude You know, it's gonna be good about it is You what you learn really well in jujitsu every time you go is how to lose. Because you have to tap out.

You don't let the guy break your arm. You have to tap out, which means you give up. So it's really good, it's really, really good learning for a kid too. It's, I mean, cause he comes in and these kids have already been training for two to three years and it's like his first day Yeah, I'm like I felt so like oh like I was feeling anxiety for him, right? I'm like sitting there watching I'm like, oh god, you know, but it's just great. It's such a humbling

Thing to go from like you're killing it in one sport and now you're like very much like below Is he you see him excited about it? Is he excited about that challenge? He was scared. Like he was scared but he got into it and he's like, he's like, you know, there's something here, Dad. Like I really enjoyed that. Oh, okay. That's so awesome.

Yeah, so we'll see. I have a, I'm gonna make a statement. I wanna hear what you guys think. I saw an article on this and I've been thinking about this and I wanna hear what your, it's a bit controversial, but I think there's some truth to it. So somebody had written and talked about, there was a whole discussion about how mental illness is actually the manifestation of spiritual illness.

So being sick spiritually turns into, we'll label as mental illness. Wow. Now the people in the article or the people discussing it said there are physiologically based mental illness But many of the common mental illnesses that we exhibit depression Anxiety, you know like like paranoia's things like that. Hmm are because of a lack of spiritual health No, is there is there I I man I was like wow, there could be some truth there. More like Tom Cruise, but yeah. Yeah, I know. Not that far.

So it'll be interesting to see if there's any correlation between people that have a spiritual practice and is there a, in order to get me to buy completely into that, I would need to see like statistics on, okay, people that have a spiritual practice are significantly lower amount of mental illness. Is that true? okay, people that have a spiritual practice are significantly lower amount of mental illness, is that true? Yeah, people who practice, so like practicing Christians

for example, data on this, meaning they actually go to church, they actually practice it, they don't just claim to be, far lower rates of anxiety, depression, substance abuse, and mental illness across the board. Yeah, so it's an interesting thought, right? It's an interesting kind of discussion. Like have we labeled spiritual illness

as mental illness now because it's now a part of medicine? You know what I'm saying? Like if you go to a psychiatrist or a doctor with depression, they, oftentimes the remedy is something that causes a physiological change in how you feel, but is it really a solution? I would say maybe in some cases, maybe not.

In other cases. Yeah, the other question I would ask for the other challenge I would pose is that, is it a direct correlation or is it just that people who don't have a spiritual practice are also more likely to have a mental illness? Structure too. So that was also discussed. And again, if you look at, so they brought up the data

on successful people who are able to break drug addiction. Far more success when they adopt a spiritual practice. Well now that's an obvious one because I mean they built the whole 12 steps off of it. I mean that's all built off of that. So I mean that one adopt a spiritual practice. Well, now that's an obvious one because, I mean, they built the whole 12 steps off of it. That's right. I mean, that's all built off of that. That's right. So, I mean, that one's a little more.

And so you see a lot more people who move into these practices who were suffering from terrible mental anxiety, depression, suicide, or suicidal thoughts, who then adopt spiritual practices and come out and they're just like, oh yeah, it's made a huge difference. It is really interesting. It's an interesting thought, right? Well, it's also interesting to me too how much this is a part of our society today and how much it wasn't just say 60, 70 years ago. Yeah. And of course, I know that we're more connected, so we hear more of the stories

and so with that, but it doesn't seem like it's like, oh, it's growing or it feels like it was like almost non-existent, say 50, 60 years ago to like always talked about very, very close. Everybody has somebody who's closely connected to them that's suffering from some sort of a mental illness. That's a huge, in a very short period of time, right? 50 years is not a real, in the grand scheme, because we talk about an illness that's now plagued us. 100%. So in the data, they're like, oh, it's because we report it

now because there's more ways. Yeah, I don't buy that. No, I don't. I think part of it, some, but not all of it. Sure, sure. Like kids, OK, I don't buy that. No, I don't. I think part of it, some, but not all of it. Sure, sure. Like kids, okay, I brought this up on a previous episode. There was a U shape of happiness with age. Young, you're happy.

Middle age, your happiness drops, and as you get older, happiness comes up. That's changed now. It's now lower when you're a kid, and then it slowly goes up as you get older. So kids now suffer from depression, anxiety, where that was almost unheard of in the past for children. I think it's a combination of poor physical health. Poor physical health does contribute to poor mental

health. Your brain is a part of your body and what's funny about this is we know this about animals. Like if you have a dog that's biting the furniture and running in circles and biting its own tail, first question the vet's going to ask you is, do you let him outside? Do you take him for walks? Oh no, he's inside all day long watching TV. Well, get him outside. That'll make a big difference. But we somehow think humans, you know, that's not going to be true for a lot of us.

So I think it's poor physical health. But I think there's also lack of purpose and meaning. And I think that comes from, you know, no spiritual practice. Yeah. Honestly, I think it's just like, we're revisiting a lot of old practices, things that people used to just do automatically, like because of culture, you know, back in the day. And it's like, we've moved away from a lot of, you know, traditional things. And it's like, we start to go back and reevaluate, like, there's other benefits

to it that I don't think were defined clearly, uh, back then that I think that people have to really kind of reassess and see like yes There is you know, not just the fact that you get community not just the fact that You know, you're kind of giving back a lot, but also too. It's like there's all these other Physiological benefits are you receiving it? You know, what's that side that what's that saying about fences? You should always Before tearing down a fence find out why I was put up in the first place yeah yeah I mean we're notorious for that as a society right just oh this is terrible that's old that's old science that's old whatever like on the new new way of thinking the way I look at things now because that can be true but that can all that can definitely be true right but the way I

look at things now is okay that's been around for a long time, why? Why? There's some wisdom there that we should maybe look into and see. And maybe we do need to change it. But let's not just look at something that's old, that's been practiced for thousands of years by billions of people.

The hard part about that, Sal, is like where do you stop looking in? Like, you know, some people would argue like, oh, we know, we've looked into it, and this is the one benefit. And that's not enough. I think if you genuinely look, then you'll get the answer. That's what I think.

I think a lot of people don't look. They automatically get it right. Right, with a true open mind. Like, let's look into it and search to prove it right, instead of trying to search to prove it wrong. That's right, that's right. Let's look and see what's kind of going on and why so many people have said that these practices are valuable.

Let's see why the data shows that, because some people would say, well, practicing people who are practicing spirituality, maybe it's because they're just meeting with people on a regular basis in community and maybe it's because they have a common goal together. Sure, that could be a part of it. That could definitely be a part of it.

But then my challenge to them is, okay, well what common goal could you meet with a bunch of people that would be as high as the one that they're doing? Like, what would your common goal be that y'all like to work out? That's a good goal, but is it as high as what they're reaching for?

Probably not, right? So, definite value there. But yeah, I thought it was a really good discussion. Going back and forth, yeah, because then you look at the data and you're like, wow, that's really interesting. Because then they had brought up other data and they showed. I'm sure it caused all kinds of controversy, is that like?

It did, but the data is, I was even back in the day when I was atheist, the data to me was hard to overcome. I looked at it and I'm like, okay, well these people who practice, they donate the most money, they donate the most time, they adopt the most children, they're less likely to be addicted to drugs or less likely to be depressed. So, okay, there's something there.

Where's the downside? Yeah, yeah, there's something there. Right? So, I don't know. Hey, you, uh, you guys stayed at, um, sanctuary this weekend. How was that? We were able to break away just for like a, a night. We just needed to kind of pause for a bit.

We've been traveling a lot and like doing a whole lot of things. So yeah, it was good. We went there, actually had to take the dogs with us, which I was kind of bummed about, but they just, you know, it's my, my Wimeran is just crazy energy. So it was, it was like, we couldn't get a dog sitter, but we brought them with us and yeah, chilled. And that was this weekend. Yeah. They remodeled it.

They did. Yeah. Looks totally different. It's nice. Way nicer. I just say, how do you like it? Cause you've been to both right before and after it's one of my favorite remodeling. Yeah. I got to get away with Jessica. Yeah. Oh, you have to. It's such a great escape. Like it's not too far to drive. The only thing I didn't get to go to the cheese shop and do the kind of thing with that because traffic was crazy and so we just decided to you know keep it in Marina but yeah usually do that we'll go to like Carmel and kind of make a whole thing out of it and go to that

store. Traffic was horrible over there this weekend. I actually drove over there I was driving over Hacker Pass and I actually, after driving 40 minutes, turned around and came back home because it was just like, I was going. Oh, that's the worst. Yeah, I was already. Would you give up?

Yeah. That's the worst, dude. Yeah, I had a group of people that we were driving together and I was gonna take them all the way over there to have lunch and it was like horrible. It was just terrible and we were like, oh my God, this is so bad, let's go back to Morgan Hill and we'll go eat there. Wow. Yeah, that's how bad it was. Oh, I gotta tell you guys, so you were my god, this is so bad. Let's just go back to Morgan Hill and we'll go eat there.

Wow. Oh, I got to tell you guys. So you were kind of, is Half Moon Bay, that's not in that direction. That's opposite direction. All opposite. You're north. How was the weather there?

You know, it was all cloudy the whole time. Same. Yeah, it was very overcast. Yeah, overcast and foggy. It was like 90 degrees where I'm at. And then I draw it. So I love that. It's 60.

So I love that. And misty. I mean, it was cool because we just stayed in the hotel. So the hack to half moon bay and to sanctuary or it's like Marina kind of area in Monterey area is actually the opposite of what you would think. That's why I love that place is because when nobody would think to go to the beach, that's the best time to go to the beach there. Oh, you mean when it's cold here, January, uh, like the last year that I was living out there,

January 7th, okay, right in the middle of winter, okay, was the warmest, prettiest day in Monterrey. The sunniest, warmest, calmest, like, and nobody's there because it's like no one is thinking like, hey, it's January 7th, let's go to the beach. It's like you don't think to go there, but it's the, like this. It's like late October, November in Santa Cruz is like, amazing. Oh, yeah.

I just remembered. So because I was at the party, uh, you know how many of my family members are now, because I told you guys, my parents are using that regularly. Yeah. My grandfather before he passed away would use it before bed every night, which is funny. 90 year old Sicilian man. I have cousins and aunts now.

Everybody's taking that everybody. Cause my parents were selling it for them. They all, and aunts now. Everybody's taking net. Everybody, because my parents were selling it for them. They all take it, they all love it. They do the capsule and they all take one or two and that's it. Just one or two. So I never got on the capsule cake. I should, you know, and those are so much easier.

It's the same thing. Yeah, I like the flavor. Hits the same, takes the oil. I do too, I actually don't. Well, it's like, yeah, it kind of tastes like you know what I want. You use it, out of all of us, you probably use it the most consistently. I see you use it all the time. I do. Are you still don't. It's like, yeah, it kind of tastes like marijuana. You use it, out of all of us, you probably use it the most consistently. I see you use it all the time.

I do. Are you still brain blend across the board? Brain blend for sure in the morning, and then I'll do the, um, just the regular 1500, um, you know, at night just to calm down a bit. Yeah, no. See, I rarely use the night one anymore. I use brain blend like crazy, but I just, I only use the night one when I like really need like an extra Literally the magnesium is enough. Yeah. Yeah, like that's and that's enough for me to to help me sleep Yeah, that product has been out of all everything they've created for me That one has been mellows been the the biggest game changer No

All my all my like half my aunts some of my cousins are all using the capsules and they'll take one or two Which is a low dose because I'll so do you think part it is like, because I kind of feel like I have family members too, that are like on this too and not as big as you and as many as you, but I have the same thing. And I think there's also this kind of like being a guy who was in the marijuana space for so long and everybody was so anti freaked out. And then now the pendulum swung the other way. Now it's like the people that were so, like, it's like kinda, it's, well yeah, it's kinda cool. It's like they're, yes.

Entry level, that's how I feel, it kinda is like that, you know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna, look, I don't know if Ned'll like that I say this, but if you take, you take Ned, I'll take a bigger dose, like four capsules. Gives you kind of a feel like that? Yeah.

You feel, I mean, you feel it. Yeah. You definitely feel it. That's what I mean, I feel like, and imagine if you're somebody who never does any of that stuff, and then you get introduced, like that? Yeah. You feel it. I mean, you feel it. You definitely feel it. That's what I mean. Imagine if you're somebody who never does any of that stuff and then you get introduced to it, you're kind of like, oh, this feels kind of edgy. Feels kind of edgy.

Well, no, whenever my family members take it, I warn them. I say, take a small dose because if you take too much, like you're going to feel, you're going to definitely feel like you're on something. Yeah, if you're not used to it, it'll definitely affect you. It's super, I mean, you have to be like.

Well, these are people that, the members of my family. Yeah. And that's my, that's my speculation is that you've got people who aren't doing any of that stuff. And then now this is like their first introduction to it. And it's kind of like, so it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. And if that, you know, I feel it, it feels effective. And then it's also kind of cool. I'm doing, I'm doing cannabis stuff, you know, I feel like that's what there's a part of it like that.

My conservative family's drug dealer with me. That's what I feel like. It feels like super edgy. That's why I think, at least that's how I feel in my family because my family was all anti that stuff, you know? So to see them like try that is, I feel like that's part of it. But CBD, what are you talking about? Yeah, no, totally. So I have a shout out. So Vicky cuts our hair on Mondays. We love her to death. She's absolutely amazing. And she knows somebody who is a huge fan of the show and wanted to say happy birthday to them. It's Roya.

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I'm a school psychologist full-time and My intent is to work as a personal trainer during the summers or maybe during the week. I've applied to many gyms in the area. And really what it's coming down to is they're not wanting to move forward because they don't have any experience. And presently, it looks as though I may be hired by a group training facility. And so my question to you, given training facility. And so my question to you, given how you guys talk about pros and cons of group training, should I move forward with this opportunity? And if I do, how to maximize it to ensure clients are building strength and boosting their metabolism? You already have your NASM, you said? I do, yes. And what kind of gym did you go to?

Yeah, were these big box gyms? Yeah, was it like a 24 or a lifetime or a big box? Yeah, so one was an any time fitness and then two were just independent local gyms. Well, any time is a tiny little gym. That's a little, that's not a, we're talking big commercial like LA Fitness, 24 hour fitness, lifetime fitness. What else is it? What are all the other big massive chains all over the country? Planet Fitness, those are all like.

I will say this, it's pretty rare that a gym won't hire you because you don't have experience. That's actually not really a reason to not hire someone. I think maybe more closely related to what you said with your schedule. You only wanna work in the summers and or like explain that. Oh yeah, no one's gonna hire you like that. Yeah, I mean, that's totally understandable

given the time constraints. Yeah, given that I work from 7.30 to 3.30 in the school system, my availability would only be then during the weekdays in the evening or during the summers full time. Yeah. So let me since most of my career, this is what I did was interview and hire trainers. And one of the worst things that somebody could ever tell me in an interview is

what they're willing to work. Like that was just like always a turnoff for me. I didn't care how educated, how smart, how great you came off. If you told me like, hey Adam, I'm looking for a job. I can only work these days and I'm only gonna do this. And I don't wanna work in the summertime. And I want like, if you start giving me all these restrictions of what you're willing to do

and you're just trying to get your feet wet in the space, I would always pass on someone like that. Just keeping it real dude. That's not a great way to go through the interview. Are you looking to do this always alongside what you currently do or is this a career move for you at some point? I mean I can certainly perceive it being a career move. That's really what I would do and it wouldn't feel like work whereas the school psychologist position really feels like work. Yeah.

Fitness is my passion. Okay. Yeah, so I could give you some tips on what would help during the interview process. It sounds like you actually landed interviews. Is that correct? I've been, yeah, I've landed interviews. And like I said, the current scenario is that

it appears as I'll be hired at a group training facility. I just, I mean, is this really what I should be moving forward with? It's my only opportunity. It's not a bad place to start. No, your foot's in the door. Yeah. It's not a bad place to start.

And that is actually the one place that will be flexible to a schedule like that. Cause they can schedule group classes. They can say, oh, I can have you Monday, Wednesdays from five to eight. That works. Like building a trainer business, really tough to tell your boss or tell the guy who's running the show. And your boss will get a feel for like how good of a worker you are and how consistent

you are with showing up and all that kind of stuff. I think that's the concern, you know, with coming in with restrictions. Like, well, what, you know, what am I to expect with this? So yeah, between that, because the other route I was going to say in those smaller boxes, a lot of my friends like have done like, uh, mentorships first where they're behind, you know, another trainer. And so they're kind of like, you know, working their way in that way without necessarily getting paid right away. But it's, it's, it's a foot in the door. Anytime you can get a foot in the door at this point, cause you're just brand new, I think is a good way to go. Yeah, the other thing you could possibly do

would be to try to start the process of building an online coaching business, but you would want to work with a company like NCI to kind of learn how to do that and slowly do that over time, because the flexibility with an online coaching business is obviously much greater, because it's all online, it's all virtual. But if you want to go back to the gyms and try and get hired, you know, I

tell people this all the time, you want to go in and present the attitude that I'm here to learn, I'm here to build my business, I'll do whatever it takes. I like to sell training. That's like, if you tell somebody, I want to to sell training you tell a manager that that's like music to Their ears because that's what they're looking for and a lot of gym, especially big box gyms are actually short trainers They're looking for more trains, but if you open the interview with hey, I do this. I can only do that It's like right away. They're gonna shut everything down. But if you come in and say look, here's the deal I want to work evenings. I love to sell training. I love fitness. I want to get in here. I want to make it happen. I want to learn.

I'll learn anything. I'll do whatever you tell me to do. I'm just very eager to get started. That energy, typically a general manager or manager hears and feels that energy. They'll hire you probably right on the spot. I would share my goal is to do this full time. I'm currently limited because I have to pay the bills and so I'm doing this right now, but I'll do whatever it takes to do this full time. So if that means I got to come and work late hours after I get like, that's a better way to present your schedule than to be like what some people would do to me, which is, well, I can only work these days and I can do these days. And it's like, when someone starts telling me stuff like that, when I was interviewing them, I was always like a turnoff, like, oh, it's okay. There's a million

other kids right behind this person that's willing to grind all day long that I would rather teach and figure it out. Now the, the online coaching route, Mason, have you considered anything like that? I have, but given that I'm a, I would be a new trainer. I really want to get that in-person experience. So that's what's, um, you know, helped me back from moving forward that road. So here's why I think you, you have some experience. You do have a background in therapy and psychology, which is actually

very, very valuable for online coaching. Extremely. I mean, if most of the work you do online coaching revolves around nutrition and behavior change. So you're not really doing lots of, and you wouldn't anyway, typically do lots of exercise, uh, you know, advice because you're not training them in person. Um, I think that you have some value there and I would present myself as such, you know, somebody with a background in psychology, human behavior, and I coach

you on changing behaviors and change and working with your your diet. You do have some experience with that. In fact, I would say somebody with a background in psychology and working with, because that's what you do, right? You work with people. I mean, you work with kids now, but I mean, you learn how to help people through behavior change and how the human psyche works. It's extremely valuable with online coaching. So that's why I said, maybe consider that route.

The thing you would need to learn is how to build that business. Uh, NCI is a great company that could teach you that. Um, we have a course that, uh, obviously I'm, I think is phenomenal. They can help you with that as well, but that might be something else to even consider. Yeah. I like in this situation, I do like, you know, getting your foot in the door in a group place, you know, uh, F 45 and orange theory Orange Theory, this makes sense where you're currently at as a trainer coach.

And it's actually a really nice way to ease your way into like one-on-one trading, cause it's not one-on-one, you know, you get a whole group, you have, normally they have the format laid out for you. And so you're going to start to see some of the challenges and questions. And so it's a lot easier place for the average person to start. And it, because of your schedule, it's a, it place for the average person to start and it because of your schedule

It's a it is a good place potentially get in there and then to move from there, but definitely Take Salads advice and go through our stuff. If you haven't gone through our free three-day training, make sure you take advantage of that I've done that. Thank you. Yeah, that was very viable. Okay. Good. Good. Good. There you go. Yep All right. Yeah, I think I'll work on the marketing pitch for myself and how I want to present that and I'll move forward with the group training. I appreciate your advice. You got it brother. Good luck. Yeah, man. Thank you. I used to hate that. Oh, that was a no right away. The first thing you tell me is, even if it's this,

oh yeah, before we get started, I do have a vacation coming up and whatever, I'm already, er, get out. Yeah, or tell me, I wanna work nine to five, Monday through Thursday, or like, you start telling me how you like, they're determining. And a lot of, and I understand

from that person's perspective, right? Like totally reasonable, the guy has got a he has to support himself But I don't know if he's got a family or not, but I mean he's got bills He's got a go there until you're yeah, well and don't don't say that like that. There's a hold your cards There's a way okay. There's a way to communicate that I can't work During the week at this time because I have another job then then to say, to present it in a way of like, I can only go do this. It's like you said, said, hey,

I really wanna move into the training field. I went out and I got my national cert on my own time. I currently work as a psychologist at school right now. I have a lot of bills that I have to pay so I can't completely quit and then jump all in training, but I wanna do this really bad. Is there some time I can work after these hours where I can prove.

Very different. Right, I can prove to you how mad I wanna do this. Like man, you say that to me? Now I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna give this guy a shot. I wanna earn enough income so that way now this can, passion of mine can take over. What do I gotta do? I really wanna get there.

What do I gotta do? What do I gotta do? Like tell me like that. It's also this, like managers with any experience, gym managers with any experience, hire trainers based off of character and personality. It's just a fact. And if you go in there taking things away, dead with your energy, maybe whatever, I don't care what your resume says. I don't care how many certs you have. I don't care about that. My most successful trainers were trainers that came in and moved no cert. They sat down with me. I loved their energy. Who did you have? Who did you have? Who did you have? Who did you have? Who did you have? Who did you have?

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And I mean, Mason, you're a psychology guy. You should get this better than anybody, you know what I'm saying? Like in the psychology of going into the interview, you are presenting and selling yourself. So think about that from the other person sitting across the table from you. Like, how do I want to sell my, I want to sell myself as someone hungry, determined, willing to work long hours. Like I want to, that's what I want to sell.

And yet I also recognize that I have to do this other job right now to pay the bills. So how do I present that in a way that excites the person across this? By the way, this, this presenting yourself in this way, I think is, is universal. Any job I got, listen, I got hired with zero banking experience, zero. I had no banking experience, no finance, nothing. I got hired as a premier banker with none of that stuff because I got in with an interview and I sold

myself and they literally said, we're crazy for hiring you, but we like your interview. I just had this conversation literally yesterday with my cousin who's in the middle of this career shift right now. He went and got this certification in how to do those really expensive marble type looking floors and he wants to go and into that field. He doesn't have a bunch of leads. So I told him, I said, this is what I want you to do those really expensive like marble type looking floors. And he wants to go and in that field, he doesn't have a bunch of leads. So I told him, I said, this is what I want you to do. I want you to go down to Los Gatos luxury car place, the dealership. And I want you to go get a job there. What if they're not hiring?

I said, listen, this is how I want you to walk in. You walk in there and you tell the guy who owns the place or makes a general manager, makes decisions, say, I want to work work here and when he tells you we're not hiring you say I'll do anything I'll clean the toilets I'll wash the cars at night what do I gotta do to get a job here managers not gonna say I said listen if somebody walked into me like that I said I'll find a position for that character like so go in there and then that's step one then step two is to show your character you're the guy who shows up before everybody,

you stay there with everybody, you work hard and you put your, and then watch what opens up for you. Then you get an opportunity to maybe get a real position that's paying really good money and then you start to meet the contacts and the leads that potentially would actually spend $50,000 on a floor for cars and stuff like that, like that's how I would think. And he was just like, oh, well yeah, this and that.

I might just stay home and scroll and wait till something happens. Yeah. I just send out a bunch of digital resumes. Yeah. Not going to happen. Our next caller is Katie from Massachusetts. Hi, Katie.

Hello. Hello. Hi guys. How can we help you? How's it going? Good. Um, all right. First off, I just want to say thank you so much for having me on.

I've been a listener for about a year and a half. I was introduced to you guys through my boyfriend who is a long time listener. Awesome. Very cool. He's a keeper. Let's start with my question. I'm just going to read it off as I wrote it. So a little bit of background.

I'm 26 and I started weightlifting about a year and a half ago I started eating meat about a year and a half ago at the same time And I've seen pretty major changes since then Five foot seven and I weigh about a hundred and thirty five pounds The past two or three months. I've been having major sleep issues. I've always been a good sleeper and never experienced this before. Previously, I was going to bed around nine getting up around 530, 545. And lately I've been going to bed around 830 to nine and getting up or can't get out of bed until seven. I've been waking up and snoozing my alarm or turning it off completely. My body feels physically tired when the alarm goes off, almost achy. I started taking a magnesium drink supplement that would help or that I thought would help as well as vitamin D in the morning, but I haven't

really seen any improvement. I'm currently running MAPS Aesthetic and this week I cut down by doing one last set of every exercise. My body feels a little bit better, but the sleep issue is still persisting. Uh, previously I've run maps, anabolic maps, 15 advanced and at home and maps anywhere, any advice on what's going on? Curious to what else might be going on in your life. You got a, tell me about stress bucket. Look like yeah, work and other stuff that's going on in your life. Any changes, tell me about work. What does a dress bucket look like? Yeah, work and other stuff that's going on in your life. Any changes, in other words, any changes in your lifestyle

right around the time your sleep started doing this? Nothing super specific I can think of. Work was definitely a little bit on the busier side and I was gearing up for a move, which happened about two weeks ago, um, moving in with my boyfriend, but that's about it. How long, how long has asleep a issue been happening? Uh, I'd say it is bad for like about two months, maybe.

Okay. So, uh, typically the, so you're young, right? So at your age, you typically wouldn't see this, um, except for one of the more common side effects of over training is sleep issues. I see that you're doing maps, aesthetic maps. Aesthetic is just bottom line, too much volume for most people. Um, are you doing anything on top of it? Walking like 10 to 12 K steps a day.

So, so sleep issues where you just feel like either you keep waking up throughout the night or you don't feel rested is a very, very common side effect of just doing too much, too much with your workouts, too much volume, too much intensity. Now, you know, that's, that's barring. There's any changes in medications, any nutrient deficiencies, um, or maybe overuse of stimulants. But if, if, if none of those are happening for you,

it's almost always someone your age, it's working out. It's almost always, you're just overdoing it. You're just over training. Easy way to check that is you've already ran MAPS 15 before you could switch back to MAPS 15. It should instantly make a difference. And if it doesn doesn't then we're probably diving into other stuff did you change anything too about like your workout time do you work out the same time are you are you an evening an afternoon morning person would you normally lift yeah same time every day right when i get up

so usually right around six in the morning. Um, so I would do it. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Finish. So I ended up starting, um, muscle mommy when that came out and I'm on week three. Um, and I feel much better since I've started doing that. Is your sleep getting better? since I've started doing that. Is your sleep getting better? I'd say it's getting better. It's not quite like back to normal yet, but it's definitely better.

You were overtrained. Yeah, very, very, yeah, very classic. When you're overtrained, there's a lot of signs and symptoms of that. One of them is excessive fatigue, sleep disturbances. You'll feel libido changes, cravings, hot and cold intolerance. Like all of a sudden, you know, you feel more cold than you normally would or, or cold and sweaty might be another one. Um, and then when you're in that state, reducing volume can still take a while

for your body to get back to normal because you're below baseline. If you want to get back to baseline faster, you need to work, like literally take time off. Like a week off. Yeah. So like a week off of all exercise or two weeks off all exercise, and then get back on muscle mommy. And you should notice within four or five days of no lifting improvements in your sleep.

You're already noticing improvements now by reducing the volume. Um, which, which really tells me that my hunch was probably right. You were just over trained. Okay. I'm actually in Ireland right now on a trip for the week. So maybe this would be perfect time. Perfect timing. Take a week.

Yeah. Totally. Jump back a week or four when I get back. Totally. Yeah. Sleep, a lot of people don't realize that sleep disturbances and challenges is one of the first symptoms of just over training. We say too much stress, right?

Oh, if you have poor sleep, it could be due to too much stress. Well, exercise is a stress as well. It doesn't just have to be relationship stress or work stress. Well, I wouldn't discount that. You know, if you also, you said that's very recent, right? You have to share a room now and like your whole environment has completely shifted and you're, you know, this is a big adjustment for you. So, you know, I wouldn't discount that.

It could be all compounded. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Also, also keep in mind too, I don't know if you are doing this or not, but what happens to is the cycle of, Oh, I'm not sleeping very well. I'm tired in the morning. So then I start to ramp up my caffeine intake. And so that could exacerbate this whole situation too.

So if you also had a certain amount that you used to take, and now because you feel like you're dragging ass, you're taking even more to help you out. A lot of times that will actually end up affecting the sleep even worse because now you're having a hard time. So I don't know if that's changed at all for you too. Yeah, maybe a little bit. I used to be kind of a coffee, like first thing in the morning,

but only on the weekends person. And I would say it's increased a little bit lately. The other morning I was actually so tired. I had matcha right when I woke up and then at like seven and then at like 8.30, I was just still feeling like exhausted even after having gone for a walk and whatnot. Um, so I ended up getting a coffee. So I'm sure that maybe made it a little bit worse. Like you said,

yeah, take this week off and then when you get home, I would take a little bit more time to adjust to the time change and then jump back on, jump back on muscle mommy. Any value sound her taking like an adaptogen or something like that? Like a red juice or an ashwagandha? That's like taking, yeah, but that's like taking a bucket that's overflowing with water and then using like a spoon. No, I don't mean in like just that. I mean with the advice we're saying, if you do all the things you're saying, take the Weeblell Plus, do that. It could if you're noticing like big hormonal changes and stuff, you could add something like Ashwagandha.

I just, it's just not gonna replace the time off though. You know, for sure. Okay, so biggest thing is gonna be the rest period. Oh yeah, I would take a week or two off, then they get, Muscle Mommy's got really good, appropriate volume for most people. MAPS Aesthetic is on the upper end of volume, and most people over train in a

maps aesthetic style workout. I mean it's a really easy way to check this. I mean you should notice a difference pretty quickly. I mean if you actually take a full week off of working out, sometimes even with days you start to see an improvement, definitely for sure within a week or two you're definitely going to see a difference. So you should notice that. And if it's not, then we have to look somewhere else. Okay. All right. Thank you guys. You got it. Have fun over there. Thank you so much. No problem. Yeah, that's a big one. You know, even when you look at the, the top high trained athletes, these are genetic, you know,

genetically gifted individuals, they train in seasons. They have an in season, they have an off season. When people get really into working out, they don't give themselves an off season. In most athletes, the off season is longer than the season itself. So what people tend to do is they get into working out and it's always in season, always in season, push, push, push, push. Now MAPS aesthetic, if you're fit and healthy, you can run a cycle of it, but then get out and give yourself, uh, long periods of much lower volume.

But people tend to get stuck in that high volume phase and then it's your sleep. And if you look at even, again, you look at like bodybuilders and strength athletes that, that will even push it a little bit. What do they all do? They all take naps. They sleep for eight or nine hours, then they take like an hour to our time. The whole day revolves around it, yeah. You're also comparing to, you know, a small percentage of people too. Exactly. That are already genetic anomalies. So you figure like...

And they're on anabolic steroids and that stuff. No, 100%. I mean, the cool part about this is, hopefully for the listeners that are listening right now, that it may have the same issues Like it's a really easy thing to test I mean and that's why I love to this is also why I think like everybody should have like a maps 15 on the backburner Like you could have a program like that And if you start to notice symptoms like this you shift over to a program like that for a few weeks and should notice a significant That's always I mean, this is how I do it, right?

So this is how I use that It's like if I'm in a rhythm and I'm training really good and hard and consistent, and I notice some of these symptoms, I'll like, oh, you know what? This week I'm going to kind of go back to like a MAP-15 protocol. And if I see pot, like I see strength gains, I see sleep better, it's like, oh,

obviously I was overreaching. The next caller is Vincent from Ohio. What's up, Vinny? How can we help you? What's happening? What's going on, guys? What's going on, man? All right, so I've been on before, so I appreciate you guys having

me back. I remember. Oh, nice. Yeah. Before I get into it, has anybody ever told you guys that the four of you are like the Ninja Turtles? Wow. All right, let's hear who's who.

I bet you if you guys took about it, took a second and thought about it, you'd be able to figure it out. Donatello, Splinter.inter splinter, um, Rafael, Michelangelo Michelangelo, bro. No. Yeah. Michelangelo is absolutely Justin. My Leonardo then who am I? What am I? Leonardo is Sal. He's, you know, he's like the leader of the group there.

He's got that, you know, sort of, uh, you know, Bushido type, uh, Zen mindset. Okay. I'm Rafael. I don't know why you're not thinking you're Rafael. You got that kind of sarcastic guy. That's fair. You heard his feelings. That's fair. Yeah. And then Doug's, Doug's Donatello. He's the guy in the chair. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Smart guy. I thought he was splinter. Yeah, that's why I splinter too. I thought he was splinter.

I thought Adam was shredder. He's bebopped. All right, go for it. All right, let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Cool, thank you guys. So basically the question breaks down,

I'll just kind of say, I cold plunge daily, every single morning, first thing out of bed, into the cold plunge, religiously. And then I also do the sauna in the evening. So I work out in the evening, and then I do the sauna in the evening after that. And I've been doing this for about 10 months now. Don't miss a day, stick to it. Enjoy it for the most part. And on an episode one time, I you know, you guys talk about it a lot. Shout out to plunge.

I actually have a plunge. So I use that and, uh, just to make a comment, it was kind of an off comedy said, nobody does this every day. Basically you'd have to be some kind of psychopath every single day. Um, and it is something I do every day. So I thought about it and I thought maybe I shouldn't be, um, should I be cycling this in some way? Couple of weeks on, week or two off, couple of days on, couple of days off. Um, very much like I do my workout pro program.

So there's some other info in there if you guys want to get into that, but, but that's the nuts and bolts of the question. Technically, um, I like, I like what you're doing. They're both a stress on the body. Technically. That's what causes the adaptation. As long as you manage it well. That's right. So the cold, the reason why cold therapy

and hot therapy or heat therapy are beneficial for the body is because they're stresses. So they're stressors and they cause adaptations that are beneficial. So technically you can overdo them like any stressor, but the only way to know if you're overdoing it is that I'd have to ask you how you're feeling. Are you noticing benefits? Are you noticing that you can stay in the cold now is becoming more intolerable? That it's affecting your sleep? How do your workouts feel?

So that would tell us if you need a break or not. It would be if your body feels a little overwhelmed. If it doesn't, you feel good and you feel healthy, you're getting good sleep, then you're fine. Yes, I think sleep has always been an issue for me and I know that's, you know, one of the things you guys preach upon and that's kind of the small, the piece of the puzzle that I struggle with the most and it's not because of the plunges I have it and the sauna. I haven't seen it change but that's one of the main reasons that I started doing it is because the research said that, you know, in the evening, you want your body to be colder. So you do the sauna, it heats up your outer shell, and then your inside core has to respond to that

and get cooler. So it's supposed to help you kind of get into that sort of state a little bit earlier than normal, so that when you lay down, you know, you're already in that cold state, you don't have to figure it out but other than that my my workouts are great I'm not intolerant to the cold in fact I'm very much more tolerant I mean I'm sitting in you know 35 degree water every single morning for four to five minutes and just kind of getting out because I don't want to do more than that. How do you how is your sleep any better or worse has it changed? No no change yeah I would say like I said it hasn't been really affected by it. How are you Vincent with the caffeine? I

Drink zero caffeine. Oh, wow. Awesome. That's awesome. Yeah good for you, dude Have you I mean you've already invested in things like cold plunge sauna stuff like that Have you dabbled with the idea of messing with an eight sleep? I mean, that's like of all Of all the next of all the things that that have you dabbled with the idea of messing with an eight sleep? I mean, that's like of all, of all the, of all the things that w that have affected my sleep, I'd say the, the, the most or the least, uh, expensive and the best was first magnesium that made a huge difference for me. And then I'd say that the second would probably be eight sleep and eight sleep obviously is more of an investment, but boy is that a, that's a game changer, man. That thing is that control and the AI that it adapts to you. So when you, as you change hot,

cold, whatever, it's moving for you to get the most optimal sleep. So once you kind of, once you set it and it figures you out after a couple of weeks, you'll never get in your bed and ever feel too hot or too cold ever again. It's like puts you at the perfect temperature forever. It's the coolest thing ever. There's some other stuff you wrote in your question too, if you don't mind. Do you mind if I bring up some of the stuff you said in your question? Cause I have some- No, you can go ahead. Like I said, I just didn't want to go too long before I got to the question.

It says, uh, you wrote in your question here that you're routine driven and that you've been professionally diagnosed with OCD. Has this affected that positively or negatively? Or maybe to ask differently, if your plunge was taken away from you, and your sauna was taken away from you, does that cause a great deal of stress mentally for you? Yes. Okay, then I think you should take some time off.

Because I want to cause stress. No, not because I want to. That's what it sounds like. Hey, does it cause stress if I take it away? Oh, I'm gonna go ahead and take it away. No, no because I want to. That's what it sounds like. Hey, does it cause stress if I take it away? Oh, I'm going to go ahead and take it away. No, no, no, that tells me that this is more, this has become an OCD type behavior.

Right, right, instead of something that's half-fold, you might want to take some time off intermittently because you might be developing a behavior around this that's going to cause some harm down the line. And what ends up happening, you know this better than I do probably, is we tend to justify OCD behaviors. And so we'll ignore any potential negatives that may be occurring due to those

behaviors because we like the behavior so much. So it might be a good idea to take a day or two off a week at the very least. Okay. So that's a tough one. And I'll just say why, because, um, and not no disrespect to anybody, not in this panel, but just in general, I don't have like the, the fun OCD where it's like, oh, I need, I have a routine and I need my shoes to match my shirt. It's, it's the legitimate OCD where if I don't do certain things, I can't leave the house that day because something that's going

to happen. So, um, obviously medication is involved and this is the plunge in the sauna or some things that I've heard have some benefits for mental health and stuff like that. Has it helped you say it again? I'm sorry. Is it helping you then? Um, I think it helps a little bit with like anxiety and things like that, but like you said, I haven't taken the time off to see if this is something

that I could disconnect from and not have that happen. I can try if that's the recommendation. Well, yeah, I'm just not just to take the other side of what Sal said, because it's not necessarily disagree, but I definitely think this is a therapist question. This is like something I probably would ask my therapist around. If you're diagnosed like this seriously, and like you said, how big of a deal it is for you, I don't think I would give you the advice of like, hey, let's just quit this for a little bit because I don't want to set you back like that. And there is like the cold plunge, one of the best things like, and imagine somebody who battles with OCD or anxiety, the ability to calm yourself in that cold water, I would think is a very positive thing for you, even

though maybe it's not making your sleep much better or not. I think just the ability for you to calm yourself by breathing is incredibly good. Do you have a breathing practice? Do you have a Wim Hof protocol you do with this? I do like the square breathing. I do that in the plunge and I also do it in the sauna. The sauna is terrible for me. I'm a, I'm a cold person. I love the cold. Um, it's more difficult for me to stay in the sauna. So I absolutely have to do that breathing method to be in there.

That's interesting. Okay. Yeah. I think what Adam says, good idea. I would ask you're a professional. Hey, you know, I do this every day. Uh, I want to, you know, make sure, what do you think if I had to take a break or not from a physiological standpoint, physically, if you don't see it over You know, I do this every day. Uh, I want to make sure, what do you think if I had to take a break or not

from a physiological standpoint, physically, if you don't see it over stressing your body, or if you're not showing any signs or symptoms of over training, overstressed, then you're, then you're probably okay. I, yeah, I don't see anything like that. And I follow your guys' programs. I put that in there, you know, not, not, but as a pat on your back, exclusively I've been following maps programs for the past several years now, I kind of cycle through them. So I have a decent

amount. So I mean, I know you guys build them so that it's not overstressful on the body if you fall in the right way. But I don't like take time in between them. I go you know, from one into the next. But again, I do cycle them. I'm not just hitting the same program. You're you're totally fine. You're okay. That's how they're, and you don't necessarily have to take it. We normally have to tell people to take them off when they're doing more than that, or they got all this other crazy stress. But I do, I would, I don't know how often, or if you do talk to a therapist at all, but with about, okay, so I would love to hear what they have to say, because this is a unique question for me, and I haven't actually came across someone with your specific condition who's also

doing sauna and cold punch. I'd love to hear what the therapists say. So whatever they say, I'd love to hear their feedback. So if you could email back or get back in touch with us, Vincent, I'm curious too, just in case I run across this again so I'm better suited to answer. Because I do think Sal's advice 99% of time is spot-on but because you have a very special unique case. I would want to clear it by

them anyway. Yeah yeah yeah I'd like to hear with it I'd like to hear their professional opinion on it because here's the deal it with OCD and even though we're doing something quote-unquote healthy anything done too much can be unhealthy, right? Exercise could be that way, dieting can be that way, absolutely cold, plunge and so on. It could absolutely be that way too. And so, Sal's advice is obvious that we go, hey, let's pull back, let's see if you see positive benefits physiologically. But because we're dealing with a special condition like OCD,

I don't think I would give that advice without hearing from them just because I don't want to spiral you out of control over something that we didn't necessarily need to adjust. Okay. Yeah, I can, I can definitely do that. They know, they know that I do it, but I haven't really got into the nitty gritty details, but I'll specifically ask the questions, you know, that that you guys are bringing up. If I pull away from that, is that going to be, you know, an issue for me?

Eventually I'd like to not be on medicine at all because I'm looking for these different ways to not, you know, get my sleep better, do the plunge for my mental, do that, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. That's why I work out. That's why I don't do caffeine. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do anything. So you have a spiritual practice Vinnie? Um, not nothing that I would center on, you know, a specific definition. Um, so no. All right. I, you know, I would look, look into that. I, um, you, you might have some success with helping yourself peel away from some of the anxieties that accompany, um, you know,

certain behaviors or whatever. Yeah. So I wouldn't call it spiritual, but I'm, I'm into stoicism. Um, I have several books that I read and when I'm in the car, I have to help say it again. That's a good practice. Stoicism is, is a great way to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I have books that I read. I have a daily, um, stoic book that I look at every morning. And then I have a, some kind of affirmations, I guess, that are quotes from,oic book that I look at every morning and then I have some kind of affirmations, I guess, that are quotes from the major Stoics that I listen in my ears when I'm in the sauna. So it's kind of like a meditation for me. But again, that's not a technical spiritual.

That's right. That counts. Yeah. Good. And if you do make an investment, eight sleep, bro, because I'd love to hear your, yeah, yeah. If you buy anything else or do anything else investment wise for yourself, I think 8 Sleep would be really cool to hear how that impacts you. Especially- It's going to happen because it's next on the list, man. I've done Felix Gray, I do, you know, L.M.M.T., I do Caldera, I bought the Plunge. I'm probably missing one or two, but yeah, tell your sponsors you guys are doing your job. Appreciate it. Vin He's keeping our business

Appreciate that man. I appreciate your help guys. Thank you so much. Got a brother All right. Bye Michelangelo out. Yeah, you know that they actually there's I read some articles on cold plunge specifically Having potential addictive properties for some people sure specifically having potential addictive properties for some people. Because of the catapult. Yeah, the endorphin rush from that, 100% I can see that.

I mean that's where I get where you went with the advice, but because of his crippling OCD. No, no, you gotta ask. Yeah, that's like. Have you guys ever trained somebody with like crippling OCD? Yeah, yeah. It was really tough.

Yeah, I had to work with a lot of nuanced things and like really late appointments and just had a lot of work. That's why I was kind of quick to lot of nuanced things and like, you know, really late appointments and, you know, just said a lot of work. That's why I was kind of quick to kind of come the other direction, just because I have trained OCD. Although I've never had this specific thing, like I never had my OCD client addicted

to plunging and sauna. And if they were, I'm not, I don't know if I would try and advise. I think I'd probably go, hey, tell your therapist to call me so we can talk because I know why Sal's pushing you that direction because it makes logical sense for the average person, but somebody who's got OCD so bad,

they won't leave the house if he doesn't follow his routine. Yeah, my client used to have to go back and check whether their door was locked a million times. Like three times. Just constantly, even when we were at the gym, I think I forgot. Probably you didn't. Most likely you didn't. Our next caller is Megan from Iowa. Hi Megan, how can we help you? Hi, so I wanted to say thank you like everybody always does and then my question is related to shoulder workouts.

So a little bit about me, I have a high stress job, and I tend to be a little more high strung, just in general. So when I do like a true shoulder workout, anything that I really feel like in my traps are kind of that like sternocleidomastoid. Afterwards, I get horrible headaches just from the tension. Um, is there anything like, do you have any tips? Is there anything, um, I can do? I want that big, beautiful like shoulder look without the pain, ideally. Yeah. This is actually not super uncommon.

Okay. So when you look at the whole, the whole shoulder complex and the shoulder girdle, um, it's a very complex joint. There's a lot of, a lot of moving parts there. And if there's an instability in one place, other places or other areas have to pick up the slack to create stability. It's very common for somebody to have tight, uh, you know, trap muscles or neck muscles or feel the tension in the back of the head.

Anytime you try and do a shoulder exercise, cause their shoulder girdle is trying to stabilize with those muscles that shrug. So I can even, I bet you if I had, if I had you try to pull your shoulders back, it would probably look more like a shrug because these muscles are probably always tight, like right now, if somebody were pushed on those muscles in the trap area, would you feel, would it feel like, Oh, that feels really good if somebody just came and pushed on them? Yeah.

Yeah. And then I always have like a knot like right above my scapula in between the top of my shoulder and my scapula in the back. Okay. So we have to work on getting the strengthening the muscles that bring the shoulder blades back and down. Back and down. Not up, but back and down. So if you, if you were for example a band row you'd want to pull the band pull the shoulders back like you're trying to pinch a pencil in between your shoulder blades but also simultaneously try to put your shoulder blades in your back pockets. You have to be able to deactivate those upper back muscles when you're doing that. Slowly over time you'll be able to press

overhead while maintaining that but right now if I have you lift your arm overhead almost inevitably you're probably shrugging Your shoulders and so that's what's happening So deep tissue massage your correctional exercise would be the way to go and what that might look like is not doing much of any shoulder Specific exercises for the time being until you get really good at that like that You know retracting and depressing the shoulders and things like the seated row or the band pull-aparts like getting really good at that retracting and depressing the shoulders and things like the seated row or the band pull-aparts, getting really good at that. And then when we decide to reintroduce shoulders,

so if you're a client of mine, we take a break off of it for a while, I'd really focus on that movement to where you feel really good and comfortable with retracting, depressing the shoulders. Then as we start to feel like, okay, I feel like I'm getting better and we're getting relief here, okay, let's start to introduce shoulders. But before we introduce it, I'm always going to prime your body with those movements first. So before you ever go, so forever, you know, you should do that before you go do shoulder stuff for sure. But for the time being, I would probably eliminate shoulder pressing and movements like that

for now until you start to feel really good with the retracting and depression. Yeah, it just has to be very intentional. Like after you go through this process of mobility and kind of getting your shoulders set into a degree where you feel stable, taking that extra time in between every single rep to make sure that you're positioning yourself well, you're maintaining that posture, you're keeping that shoulder back and down. In some ways to do that too, to strengthen that is to do like farmer walks, but with really good posture with that, lightweight, but then also to use suitcase carries or you can do like a shoulder

packing with a kettlebell. But this is just where we add a bit of load to what you're already doing so that way you get that kind of stimulus so you stay strong with that sequence that you're trying to establish. You know what's tough about this, Megan, is it's actually very simple fix. It was very common for me to get- But tough to do it yourself. Yeah, doing it on your own because you have a movement pattern that's just going to show up. I could try something with you right now on camera if you want to try it yourself. Yeah. Doing it on your own because you have a movement pattern that's just going to show up.

I could try something with you right now on camera if you want to try it and we can see if we can kind of isolate what's going on. Um, you have a t-shirt underneath your jacket. Would you mind taking the jacket up? Okay. So what I'm going to have you do is, is let's have you stick one arm straight up in the air, like you just did a shoulder press. Okay.

Now keep your arms straight and see if you could drop that shoulder down. Oh almost you see our elbow wants to bend? Yep. Okay so the shoulder so keep your arm straight do it again straighten your arm but pull the shoulder down pull it down pull it down shoulder down don't down down down down down down good. Now hold that position for me and I want you to take hold bring the shoulder back down I saw come back up bring it down okay hold that now while holding that take the opposite ear and bring it down to your shoulder but slowly you feel a little stretch there oh yeah okay there you go hold that position and practice that movement with both sides yep okay practice that right there both sides but

you got to keep the shoulder down it's gonna creep up on You see how you, can you feel how it wants to pop up when you stop thinking about it for a second? And then the arm wants to come forward, you know, so. Try the other side too. All those little nuances. Let's balance this out a little bit. Let's do the other side. So straighten it out.

Now bring the shoulder down first. Bring it down, bring it down. That one's better. Oh, that's a bad one right there. Keep your head tall, by the way. Don't tuck your chin the way you are. There you go. Bring the shoulder down.

Now try bringing your ear down again on the other side a little bit. Right there. Hold that. How's that feel? So what might help even is if you hold onto something with that hand that's up in the air, that might help you bring the shoulder down while doing that stretch. And that could take some of the tension off, but do you see how hard it was for

you to isolate that movement while keeping your arm overhead? Okay. So that's kind of what we're dealing with. Do you have- You're holding your arm behind you and then pulling your shoulder back and down. That's another one. Do you have-

Yeah, that's something. Yeah, there you go. Do you have access to a really good trainer or maybe someone who can do correctional exercise with you? To movement specialists? I'm not sure. I'd have to look into it. I'm in a rural part of Iowa,

so I think there's food trainers trainers and a 45 mile radius. Okay. Well, let's do this. Do you have maps prime pro? I don't, I just have muscle mommy. Okay. We're going to send you prime pro and in there, there's scapula mobility movements.

Those are the ones I would want you to look at. Yeah. And what Sal just taught you right now is something that you can practice all day long throughout the day. Every time you like, if you find yourself sitting at the computer desk for a while and you haven't done that, take a little two minute break, do that on each side. And like, and a lot of this is just retraining the brain neurologically to, to be able to do that.

So it's not like we have to go train and exercise really hard to fix this. It's really just getting in the routine of the ability. Like you want to get to a place where on command you can do that like quick and easy. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's when you know you're and that's a, that's a good thing to try and practice. The better you are doing that, the easier it's going to be to apply it when you're, when you're exercising. Okay. Thank you. You got it. All right. Thanks Megan.

Thanks. You know what's tough about that is I used to get clients like that all the time. I would fix that in a week. You said it perfectly. It's very easy to fix. It's very difficult for a person to know how to do it themselves. Like even with you doing it on camera. You can see if I was there I'd be able to put my hands on it.

And if you weren't cueing her what she was doing wrong, she wasn't going to adjust and fix it. Yeah, so if you're not like, ah, don't let it slide up. You just let it slide up. You can see that and give feedback. It requires that. So even though it's such a simple thing, it's really difficult to, I mean, again, this is why. And this is why we have our test with the wall.

Yeah, this is why our profession exists. Really good coaches and trainers have this ability to see that and then help somebody figure that out for themselves. Like it's just something you can't watch a million YouTube videos on that. It's like tough to piece that together. Totally. Look if you like our show head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a fat loss guide. It's free. Gives you steps on how to lose body fat easy and sustainably. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump.

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