Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2396: The Best Way to Improve Your Squat, What to Do After Losing a Lot of Weight, Strength Training for Young Athletes & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:58 How you lift weights actually changes how you look. I'm not talking about shaping and sculpting certain muscles over others. I'm not talking about shaping and sculpting certain muscles over others. I'm talking about lifting heavy versus lifting lighter. There seems to be a difference. Lifting heavy tends to produce a granite hard look to the body. Muscles look dense and hard. Lifting with a little bit higher reps, getting that pump tends to produce a rounder full look to the muscle, maybe more like a bodybuilder. Now I have no studies to support this whatsoever, but I have seen this personally in myself and in clients,

Starting point is 00:03:28 and this is something that bodybuilders have speculated for decades, so do both. You want that grand hard look and the round full muscles, train the low reps and then the higher reps. Get the best of both worlds. You've been watching my morning workouts again, huh? Which one? It's, you know, the main one.

Starting point is 00:03:44 Okay, I don't know. What do you mean? You've been watching my morning workouts again. Which one? You know, the, the main one. Okay. What do you mean? How would you study? I don't know, dude, but tell me you haven't noticed this. I mean, we've talked about this. I made it. So it's weird. What I wonder is, uh, is it though that maybe that whole time that I was training in hypertrophy, I just

Starting point is 00:04:08 wasn't building as much muscle as I thought. I was just kind of airing it up all that time. And then maybe when I switched to lower reps, heavier weight, really started to push myself that way, I actually just built more muscle. Do you think that's possible? I don't know because- Because I've thought about this and I've tried to wrap my brain around like what is going on that I could clearly see a difference in the way my physique looked

Starting point is 00:04:32 pre heavy strength training versus you know a lot of hypertrophy training. But I what I haven't figured out is if it's actually something like that or maybe I actually just built significantly more muscle once I started training that way. It's hard because I thought the same thing but obviously bodybuilders are the most muscular strength athletes, right? They have the biggest muscles. That's not to say that powerlifters and weightlifters and other strength athletes aren't massive and muscular as well, but bodybuilders obviously build the most, I guess, visual muscle. And they tend to move towards more of the hypertrophy style stuff, focusing on the pump.

Starting point is 00:05:09 But the look that you tend to observe in yourself, it is different. Like, I just switched over, right? I haven't lifted heavy in a long time. I haven't done five rep sets in a long time. I've been kind of in this hypertrophy style of training for probably four months or so. And I switched over a couple weeks ago and I'm noticing it in my body. I just, my muscles just look harder. I don't have the same kind of bubbly look

Starting point is 00:05:32 but it just, everything feels and looks a little denser. And every time I switch from one to the other, I notice this. And this, you know, Arnold used to talk about this. Bodybuilders have talked about this for decades. Like they'll throw in a strength phase to get the granite hard look or they'll go into the pump phase or whatever to get that round fuller look. I don't know. My speculation is one is more muscle fiber growth, whereas the other one is

Starting point is 00:05:58 more maybe sarcoplasmic growth. Remember, lean body mass isn't just muscle. It's anything that's not body fat. Muscles are 70% not muscle fiber. So if you were to take your, you know, take a muscle off your body and dissect it and count everything that's in there, you know, 30% of it is muscle fiber. 70% of it is, is other stuff. Sarcoplasm, fluid, glycogen. Do you think, do you think the hypertrophy training is training the muscle to allow more fluid to be able to be stored into the muscle belly and then actually like heavy loaded training is actually

Starting point is 00:06:34 stressing and breaking down the muscle fibers which are then in turn adapting, growing and rebuilding more? You think, and I know that both do a little bit of each other, right? So it's not like either or. I understand that for the people that are screaming at their radio right now I know it's not that but is like is one of them. I think it's a computer phone Your stereo in your car Do we not call it a radio anymore? Well, no, I mean, you have a radio in your car.

Starting point is 00:07:05 Are you tuning in? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't tune in to it. We're not on there. We're not on FM or AM. Yeah, yeah. So if you were to say, you were to say, like I'm listening to you in the car,

Starting point is 00:07:13 you would say stereo instead of radio? Why would you say radio? Radio is the actual tuning in and the frequencies. AM, FM. Yeah, AM, FM. Is that right? That's correct. Oh, so it does go around with the invented technicality. That's why I lifted him to AM. Back in the day, it was smoke signals. Yeah AM FM. Is that right? That's correct. Oh, so it does was around the invented

Starting point is 00:07:28 That's why I looked at him. Back in the day it was smoke signals Your stereo. He was listening to tablets. It just sounds weird to say it that way. Obviously that they both are doing that right? Both are contribute, but is it one of them is just so much more focused on but is it one of them is just so much more focused on volumizing the cells and allowing the fluids to be able to load, which gives you that kind of pumped, bubbly look, and then the other one is actually doing more, dare I say, damage to the muscle.

Starting point is 00:07:57 I don't know. Because they're both providing tension, you know, so it's, yeah, it's one of those things that you think about, because two, I don't know if it's like more demand with the shearing forces, or if it's one of those things that you think about. Because two, I don't know if it's more demand with the shearing forces or if it's because of the pumping. Sometimes I don't know if you're just squeezing more, isolating certain muscles so you can get more of that focused pump out of it versus a full systemic effect of stress.

Starting point is 00:08:23 I don't know. You know, I don't know, so this is, I mean, by the way, if you're listening this far, this is all pure, everything we're doing here is first-time. Yeah, we're speculating. It's like spaghetti on a wall. There is absolutely no data on anything that I'm saying. Yeah, hopefully it's not your first time listening. We tend to.

Starting point is 00:08:35 No, this is just, you could talk to strength athletes and bodybuilders and they, and many of them, we've been doing this for a long time, we'll tell you this, and it's been said so many times and it's repeated so many times. And like we've seen in strength sports and bodybuilding, things that people have repeated over and over again that the science tends to be, you know, laugh at, eventually gets proven right, right? Oh, yeah, there's the value there. Maybe they were communicating it wrong, but there actually is something to this. You guys have been observing something that's real. I don't know. It could also be this. The central nervous system

Starting point is 00:09:02 something that's real. I don't know, it could also be this, the central nervous system controls how your muscle feels too. It's not just the muscle, it's also central nervous system. I'm wondering if that high tension just kind of maintains this tighter feel maybe, and look, it could be a central nervous system function. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:09:19 I'm also- The low reps definitely I feel tap into a lot more central nervous system response versus the other but yeah, that would be a big difference. I've also noticed this, I'm sure you guys have too, those guys in the gym that are stronger than they look in terms of size, they're not big but they're hella strong, they always look like there's something solid and chiseled. Just grainy.

Starting point is 00:09:42 And grainy. You ever meet someone in a blue collar job because we all work construction with them. Yeah, we always call it wiry. Yeah, you ever see that wiry guy, kind of skinny, 165 pound dude. Strong. Strong as hell, you're like where'd you get that,

Starting point is 00:09:54 but his muscles look grainy and just, they're strong. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, so I don't know either because the earlier years of my lifting was so much more focused on the hypertrophy, but I do, and I have shared this before, I do remember being so frustrated after lifting for years that I felt like I only looked like I worked out

Starting point is 00:10:16 when I was working out. When you were pumped. Yeah, when I was all pumped up, I remember like, man, I just wish I could look like that all the time. And it wasn't until I really started lifting heavy that I feel like I achieved that look even outside of being aired up and pumped up. Like, and even now, like where I've been on this kick

Starting point is 00:10:35 where I've lost a lot of weight, I've lost a lot of muscle, I still feel like I have a really solid base from that, where that would never happen in the past. In the past, if I didn't train for a couple weeks or even a month and I had lost a little bit of muscle or lost weight, I would just, it would all of a sudden look like I started all over again is what I felt like.

Starting point is 00:10:54 And it wasn't until I felt like I really trained, you know, consistently heavy loaded, like in low reps for a long period of time, that now it's like it It's it seems to have stayed or built a longer lasting base. I don't know. I don't know I just noticed like this. I'm only three weeks in and I just feel it on myself I know what I normally feel like I could feel it on myself. I see it when I work out at the gym I don't get the same pump, but I kind of have more of this like, I don't know, it's a different look, more of this kind of grainy look.

Starting point is 00:11:25 It just feels different. Side note, by the way, having deadlifted in months on purpose, I avoided deadlifts for a long time trying to balance things out. Avoided heavy backloaded squats for a long time trying to balance things out. And so I went back to deadlifting for the first time

Starting point is 00:11:42 last week, and I was able to pull five plates, which was, you know, made me happy and I was able to pull five plates which made me happy. I was able to do it okay. You know where I got sore? In my brachialis muscle. Not in my back, not my hamstrings or my glutes, but right in that muscle under the bicep just from the tension of holding on to the bar and I noticed my grip with five plates.

Starting point is 00:12:04 I could do it, but I noticed like I couldn't go much heavier because my grip would hold on. Just goes to show you like, if you don't train your grip heavy, you're not going to maintain that level of strength. Even though I've been lifting, I don't use wrist wraps. That's what a lot of the strongman competitors would always notice too. Like if they didn't do any bicep training, like eventually that was one of the main culprits, the terror and like limit

Starting point is 00:12:25 their progress. So yeah, you gotta, you gotta make sure you upkeep your grip. Speaking of weightlifters, I don't know the name of this weightlifter. I posted it in our forum, this young lady, black girl performing a clean. I saw that video. I didn't see it. Oh bro. I didn't see it.

Starting point is 00:12:42 She gets the clean up. It was the toughest, bad, most badass move I've seen. She, you have to catch it, right, with your fingers in the bar. Her finger dislocates. So she's holding it with one hand, holding it with one hand like this. She's got a dislocated finger,

Starting point is 00:12:55 takes her other hand off, pops it into place, puts her hand under. Pops it in place. And then finishes the lift. Finishes with the jerk, yeah. How did she even do that? Bro, it's like, you see her fingers? She's bouncing on her shoulders. Yeah, how did she even do that, bro? I it's like you see her short ass and on her shoulders Yeah, and then as she reached over back pops it in gets it back and that's made live press

Starting point is 00:13:12 They crushes it overhead. I did not see I have never seen anything So that was so there she is look look look look so watch her. It's her left hand. Oh fingers jacked Oh, she's like she's like And look she holds it on her shoulders hand. Oh, fingers jacked. She's like, and she's like, and look, she holds it on her shoulders, pops it into place, gets her hands back under it, and then fricking rips it, dude. Shut up.

Starting point is 00:13:32 I wanna know her name. What a badass. What a badass, dude. You see Element? Oh, Element T sponsored them, that's awesome. Where is this, what is this? Squat University posted it, I don't know her name. Oh, wow, he normally tags, he didn't tag her. Oh, have you guys ever done anything like that mid-lift or some shit?

Starting point is 00:13:55 I've never heard of that or seen that I have a bloody nose halfway through the set. No finish the set I did I mean, I definitely had had blood and whatnot and just kept going I don't think I've ever had a I don't think I've ever had a bloody nose. I puked I've had had blood and whatnot and just kept going I don't think I've ever had a I don't think I've ever had a bloody night. I puked I've done that but I've never I was a Kid when I first got into lifting my parents were concerned rightfully because I was obsessed So I just be in the backyard for three hours, you know, my parents were just like I know what they're as a parent now I'm sure the conversation was something like it's not really a bad thing, but he's a little obsessed Should we say something, you know, so everyone's my mom. Mom would say something like maybe it's not really a bad thing, but he's a little obsessed. Should we say something? So everyone's, my mom would say something like,

Starting point is 00:14:26 maybe you're going too hard. Maybe it's too long. And so there was this one point, I think she saw me buy supplements and whatever, and she's like, I think you're doing too much. You need to do whatever. And I'm just like, let me do my thing, mom, or whatever. So I'm in the backyard and I'm doing overhead press,

Starting point is 00:14:40 and I wanted to go for a PR. I don't remember what it was of reps. And rep two, my nose starts bleeding, but I'm feeling good. Hell no, I'm not stopping. So I finished the set. Of course, who walks out? Almost when I'm halfway through the set, my mom.

Starting point is 00:14:52 So she sees blood coming down. Oh God. While I'm pressing the way, you know, Italian mom freaking out. Ah! You know? You're hurting yourself. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:02 Yeah, like no, I'm fine. That'd be an epic picture to have though. Oh, I know. That would'd be an epic picture to have No, it was mainly concussions for me I just kept playing which was you know, that's Part of the process that's weird and weightlifting you don't see that very out that one. That was cool I wonder cuz I know you've had how many concussions confirmed have yet Confirmed three but a lot more than that. I wonder how many you've given you know, I mean, oh, yeah, that'd be cool No, that'd be that I would Like kills

Starting point is 00:15:38 Put those tally marks around my helmet I would hate to get hit by Justin That's just you know what Kyle told me the story of you in the mosh pit, he's like, oh yeah, he launched the guy. That was the word he used. Speaking of Kyle, I saw that he looked like he saw a ghost after his drive with you back home. He was a little shaky, I heard. You're going to get in trouble. My wife's listening to the podcast. So I got to say this first. Does she not like you to drive fast? Does she? No, dude. Oh, okay. I'm going to get get blasted in fact after she hears this. Look, she's every right, it's stupid, it's dangerous to drive fast, right, I just love it.

Starting point is 00:16:11 I love to do that. Well, let me back up for a second. We were creating another Maps for us. Every quarter we create a new Maps program and they're just so much fun. It's one of my favorite things that we do. We all get together and for people who ask about what does that process look like,

Starting point is 00:16:29 what it looks like is lots of focused, creative conversation, very creative, interrupted by tremendous shit talking. We. Like a lot. We. Yeah, dude. It's a little more than extra this time, I vote. It's just we rip each other and laugh and then we get real

Starting point is 00:16:47 creative and we put things together and then we rip each other and laugh and three of us will gang up on the other guy and just beat him up. So Kyle, this was his first time ever being part of it. You could see he was just, his face was sore from laughing because the amount of shit talk that we do with each other and I asked him afterwards, so what'd you think of the process? Oh you did? I wish, so I wanted to hear this. I wanted to hear what you thought. Oh, he's like, it was awesome. He's like, so great to be a part of what you guys are doing.

Starting point is 00:17:08 What'd you think of the shit talk? And he's like, it was the funniest podcast I could ever listen to, you know, because we're ourselves. But anyway, on the way home, he was riding with me, and you guys are riding in your fast cars or whatever. And so it's just, you know, it's exciting. We're kind of pushing each other, having fun.

Starting point is 00:17:25 But we were alone and so I was gassing it a little bit and there was a couple times where there was an opening and I squeezed through it. Well there was one where I'm coming up on a car and there's another car next to me who sees me coming up and speeds up to not let me in. You know how people do that? So I'm like, oh, I'm gonna still get through.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Yeah dude, he did this in his seat. And he goes, bro that was close. And I started cracking up. I'm sorry I'll stop. And after that I drove normally. You were moving fast for sure. Because I know how fast we were going and the fact that we didn't catch up to you.

Starting point is 00:17:58 This dude, I told Justin that. I was like, I bet he must be smashing right now. It's too much fun. Yeah, dude, speaking of driving, I'm so, uh, I'm a little bit embarrassed that, um, you know, that's like a thing that I'm into. And I had no idea this thing that we had in our backyard, uh, highway nine to skyline ridge to Alice's restaurant, uh, which is funny because I've been nonstop talking about it for like the last three days and like now everyone's like, oh yeah bro, that's the, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:18:28 everybody knew about it. Yeah. He's like, no one wanted to let me know or what? I like didn't say anything. I don't know about it. Well, I've been on this hunt for like, have you guys heard of pizza? It's so delicious. So I went down to, uh, I went down to Barnes and Noble last week and bought all of these

Starting point is 00:18:41 like maps and Atlas's and stuff like that, road maps for all of California. And so I, and I've had them out, Katrina's making fun of me, right? Cause she comes in the other day. Wait, you're spreading them all out? Oh yeah, I got them all over the counter and stuff like that. Got my highlighter out and I'm like highlighting all these cool paths.

Starting point is 00:18:57 And I'm looking for like all these destination areas that we like to go. Like we go to highway one a lot and go down south Monterey area or up north, Half Moon Bay area. And so I'm like, I'm figuring out, okay, here's these destinations I like to go to. Now let me find the most creative pathways to go there. And so I've been like marking them off and I've been like scouting them out and

Starting point is 00:19:18 then coming back and telling Katrina like, oh, we got to drive this. This would be a fun one to drive. And I found this, this place. I didn't know about it at all. No one had said anything. Maybe someone had mentioned to me and it didn't register or whatever, but I put it on there and I tell her, I was like, Hey, let's go for a drive. It was so cool because we came back early from Paso Robles, like you're talking about, which we thought we were going to be down there until Saturday to pick up Justin's car and that got postponed.

Starting point is 00:19:45 So he, I know he was all sour about that and it felt bad. Yeah. We come back early, surprise Katrina wasn't expecting me to be home. So she already had plans that Friday night to go do something. And then she's like, Oh, well now that you're back on Saturday, let's, let's go, let's go for a drive on Saturday. I say, Oh, awesome. I've already scouted this, this place out.

Starting point is 00:20:02 Let's go. So she calls up her mom and asks Tina if she'll watch Max. And she's like, of course you can come stay the night. And so we drop him off. And then I'm like, Hey, let's just pack a bag just in case. And then we'll go for a drive. I said, there's this restaurant I want to go to and I want to take you on this road and we'll figure it out from there. And if we really feel like doing the coast and then stopping, staying the night, then we have everything. We don't have to worry about it. And if we don't, then we'll come back home. That's so nice. She's like, oh my God, that'd be awesome. Let's do it. So we packed a bag and went and did it. And so I'm heading down this

Starting point is 00:20:34 road. First of all, Skyline Ridgeway or whatever it's called is basically the, the rich, just like it sounds, the, the ridge of the mountain top line. And it's like overlooking Redwood City Palo Alto, Saratoga, that whole area. It is beautiful. The road is beautiful. The scenery views are beautiful. You're half the time you're going through a Redwood trees. And so it creates almost like this canyon effect of the engine echoing going through. Oh, it's just I've never done it, but I always hear going through. Oh, it's just, I've never done it, but I always hear about it. Oh, and then we get, uh, we end. It's cool too because this is like, you would never take this unless you're going there to drive

Starting point is 00:21:16 or you live back there because it's obviously not the fastest way to get to the highway one. But if you live back there, you would go back there or two, you're going back there literally just to drive. So there's like almost like this unsaid code of if you catch up to someone, they just pull over because it's a two lane road, right? And you can't pass because it's got too many turns and stuff like that, but it's got a lot of little turnouts. And everybody knows this is people drive this to drive. That's right.

Starting point is 00:21:43 And so you see someone, and I would do the same thing too. If someone actually like a bike, street bike caught up to me or something like that, I'd merge over so they could scoot past me or whatever. And then we get down, we come around this corner out of the trees and here out in the middle of like the forest

Starting point is 00:22:00 is this little restaurant and single pump gas. And there must've been a hundred and something cars. So imagine not seeing hardly anybody for an hour out in the middle of nowhere in the forest, a single pump gas station, and then a restaurant, and it's got like a hundred car, it'd be just packed. Packed so much that the whole restaurant parking lot's filled. There's parking across the street that's filled.

Starting point is 00:22:23 People are parked on the side of the street coming up. And there's everyone, the street that's filled people are parked on the side of the street coming up and there's everyone All these people out with cameras and and they're recording and taking photos and all these beautiful cars and street bikes That's great and amazing food. I mean it was such a cool cool experience and it's really fun to watch Katrina fall in love with it because it's like we're 40 something liking it. She's like totally no way Yeah, so this is what you should have This is a dream for you. You have to yeah, totally

Starting point is 00:22:49 So you have to ask her about it because ever since her incident She's been anemic and stuff and of course the doctors say like no drinking which for Katrina and her family is like, you know water Right, right. So it's like, you can't have any alcohol. So this has been a long streak for her. The only other time she's ever not drank was during Max, right? So during pregnancy she did it. But other than that, like this is the first time she's ever gone this long.

Starting point is 00:23:16 And she says, driving gives me the same feeling as like being intoxicated from the alcohol. She's also, so it's been like this really cool thing of, I don't miss it because I feel like I've replaced it with this new found adrenaline love thing that I have. And it's been so cool to watch her start to kind of fall. That's great that you guys are both into it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:38 That's, it's typically the husband and the wife's like, just puts up with it. I know. I wasn't sure what it was. I wasn't sure. I took a risk hoping that she would really adopt it and like it. Because when she's in the passenger seat, she's not as much of a fan of it. Of course. So if I'm ripping around turns and stuff like that, she's like, ah, slow down, constantly

Starting point is 00:23:58 doing that. But once she got to be in the driver's seat and she's the one ripping around the corners, you see her really start to get into it. My dad rides motorcyles, he's got a Ducati. So many of them out there. Yeah, so he belongs to a group and they always go there. They always ride up there and he always talks about it. But I don't think I've ever met him. So Katrina's Troy who passed away what, seven years ago,

Starting point is 00:24:21 Tina's ex-husband before he passed, right, late husband, he had a Ducati and they used to go back there all the time. So when she, we got at the restaurant, she's texting her mom, oh my God, there it is right there. So you can see, look at all kinds of cars and the single pump gas station and it's out in the middle of all these trees. It just come, you come around a corner, then all of a sudden it's there and it looks just like that. That's exactly what you see. All these exotic sick cars it's there and it looks just like that That's exactly what you see all these exotic sick cars Everybody eaten and it's huge area to eat. So look at exactly like that. That's how it was Just love rows and rows of all these beautiful sick cars and all and like the whole drive you see

Starting point is 00:24:59 Oh my god, it looks just like well, that's that's funny. That was that was me say yours. It looks just like mine all these just like mine. That's funny. That wasn't me. It looks just like yours. It looks just like mine. All these people on the sides of every turn, like videoing. And then I told Dylan about it, and Dylan's like, yeah, there's like full pages dedicated to- Oh, this is literally the Yelp for Alice. Yes. For this place that you're going to.

Starting point is 00:25:18 That's how much, like that's how common it is. We came back- How cool is that? You open up a restaurant in the middle of nowhere, and everybody's like, what are you gonna do? Who's gonna do your business? Bro, gonna do? Bro, I'm so interested in this. No competition. I'm so interested in the story because imagine, I bet you the land cost them nothing. Nobody wants some property out in the middle of something like that, but I bet that place rips business-wise. And you said the food was good. Amazing. Is it a diner? Is it diner food? It's a burgers, pizzas, it's like a grill like place. We should all go up there. I

Starting point is 00:25:51 want to do this with you guys. It was so much fun that I would love and then we continued on to Half Moon Bay, stayed at one of our favorite hotels there, got up the next morning and then drove it back. And the morning with the coastal dew, and the sun beaming through the trees, it was just epic, such an epic experience that was in our backyard this whole time, and I had no idea about it. You gotta do it together.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Oh, I know, I can't wait to take you guys, because it was so much fun. Speaking of team and entourage and all that, I read some studies on the entourage effect for cannabinoids, some new stuff that I wasn't familiar with. So the entourage effect, you guys, I've talked about this before, it refers to how in the cannabis plants

Starting point is 00:26:38 or in the hemp plant, how the cannabinoids work better together and they also work better in combination with other compounds in the plants like the terpenes. Terpenes are what we give them their scent and their smell. So check this out. This is just with other cannabinoids. So THC, which you'll find in cannabis, the pine scented terpene, so whenever you smell pining, that's the terpene pining, you'll smell it. It helps counteract the memory loss effects. Oh, interesting. CBD and the peppery terpene. So there's a, there's one that smells kind of

Starting point is 00:27:10 peppery, maybe beneficial for the treatment of addiction and then CBD and limonene. So limonene is the lemony smell. By the way, lemons have it. Okay. But if, when you combine the two, they work together better, together better to alleviate anxiety which is interesting because the the lemony smelling hemp extracts always

Starting point is 00:27:33 those always ones I like the most isn't it I always find it interesting how nature does it yes and how we you know the arrogance right of us to like you know find something right right we find of us to like, you know, find something, right, right. We find something really good and like, oh, yeah, let's do let's extract it, make it 10 times more powerful. And like, then it'll do this, it'll be better. And then like, and then we celebrate how amazing that was science is so amazing. And then like, as time goes on, and stuff

Starting point is 00:27:59 unfolds, it's like, oh, but you know, you're not getting this, like, I mean, everything, everything that we seem to find in nature, we tend to find, I mean, everything. Everything that we seem to find in nature, we tend to find out later on that something that it was paired with is beneficial. This is why you talk to people who've tried pure CBD and you'll get a mixed reaction. Some people are like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:28:16 and other people are like, I don't notice anything. Then when they try like Ned, Ned is full spectrum. It's the whole plant, it's everything. It is CBD, but it's also the other cannabinoidsids plus it's also all the terpenes and other compounds and they'll say, oh this, I really feel this, this is very very different because of the combination of things that are in there. And maybe that's why is because there's all these other benefits that you're getting besides maybe the one, the benefit that you you're taking it originally for is one thing but then

Starting point is 00:28:43 there's this... Of course. By the way, just concentrating isn't always going to give you all that benefit. Dude, it's so funny too because there were synthetic cannabinoids where they tried to copy THC to skirt through the law and they were making these... They don't think they're available anymore because they banned them. These like the zombie ones? Bro, they were trying to... They made people crazy.

Starting point is 00:29:05 They were creating these cannabinoid, synthetic type cannabinoids. They're not cannabinoids. They're not the phyto cannabinoids obviously, but they're synthetic. And people were ODing on them and getting all kinds of weird negative effects where you couldn't, I mean, technically you can't overdose on the natural phyto cannabinoids. It's almost impossible. People, kids were buying these-cannabinoid. It's almost impossible. People, kids were buying these synthetic concentrated cannabinoids.

Starting point is 00:29:29 Yeah, I just heard bad stories about that. And they would get really bad effects. It's like they're trying to copy nature and you end up with this Frankenstein compound or whatever. But yeah, I know. What did you do this weekend, Justin? Since you didn't get to get to your car. Yeah, I mean, I actually, well, since we're kind of preparing for this party, we're going

Starting point is 00:29:49 to be throwing this like 70s party for this house that I'm going to be remodeling and working on. So we're kind of are using the pool. And in the pool, it was like such a beautiful weekend for that. So we're in this perfect spot where it's like the fog kind of rolls in early and burns off and then it goes a little further towards Soquel and kind of misses us towards Watsonville. So it's like the perfect view that we got over the weekend. So we just spent a lot of time in the pool and then trying to get everything kind of

Starting point is 00:30:23 set up so we have a crazy 70s everything in the house kind of like trying to get everything kind of set up so we have like a crazy 70s everything in the house kind of ready to go for everybody. So that was like the majority of what we did this week. Do you swim swim or when you do when you get in the pool are you like, no, I just floating bro. I just wait. Do you mean like swimming laps or something like that? People have people like you know into the bin No, like the lap pool stuff like no

Starting point is 00:30:48 Honestly, what I'm looking forward to is like keeping it cold and then using that is like I'm just go jump in the pool Come back and that's like my first like cup of coffee. You know, you're doing the morning. Yeah, have you done it yet? I've done that before when I would stay at like these Airbnbs like I love that. I loved it. It was like oh man It's just you know, everything just like wakes up the motivation to first do it Oh, that's not so you standing up you gotta get through that. Yeah, just fucking do it No, I don't want to put my shorts on and go but yeah, no, it's just yeah So we were just chilling and and obviously I was hoping have have the car So I could have cruised around and maybe met up with you, but, uh, you

Starting point is 00:31:27 know, it's not talking to Adam bit about it, but it's like, it's better because most guys I know that have gone this route, um, would have to end up bringing their car back because like something would, would happen like some part wouldn't have been a good fit. And, uh, so he's like troubleshooting all of these things right now and he's very meticulous and and you know he's it so I have to trust you know he's he's doing all this so that it's gonna be built really well so I'm excited bro both you guys got the the exact like like the two

Starting point is 00:32:01 top favorite cars of mine ever I'm not a big car guy, but there are some cars I really like, and both of you guys have the ones. Now we just gotta get you on board now, dude. Well, I mean, Especially how much you like to drive. It is funny that you haven't gone and done that, because it's not like you don't like to drive. Like, you like to drive.

Starting point is 00:32:18 I mean, I like it. I'm not in love with it. Not like me, I know. Yeah, you guys really enjoy it. And I appreciate, and don't get me wrong, I appreciate cars isn't it fun I wonder if guys were doing this when cars didn't exist you think guys were bringing up the horses to each other for sure racing of course of course they were 100% it's like I feel like it's like built in you I just I really do I feel like like we evolved

Starting point is 00:32:42 sabotaging the other by feeding them like sleepy oats. Bro, your horse looks fat. Test them out. Let's see. Yeah, let's put you to test. It's funny you say that because I bet it was like that and I bet having a good looking, powerful, fast horse was like a big deal. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's a nice horse. How fast is it? How fast is it in the quarter mile? Your horse is looking a little old. I don't think we ever change. We're a lot chow.

Starting point is 00:33:10 I think it's so interesting that we, who was I talking to about that? I think it was Dylan I was talking about how, you know, you talk about the Justin's old school and the mine and stuff like that in the sixties. It's crazy to think that since then we haven't had a really good generation and I know some people will argue like some of the stuff that we've had is there's been some pretty breakthrough cool cars but as far as that like how timeless those vehicles are like it's so it's like a piece of art dude like that. It was a pinnacle I know I would say well for American automotives was pinnacle muscle cars were the pinnacle I know I would say well for American automotive is a pinnacle muscle cars were the pinnacle of American automotive horsepower I don't

Starting point is 00:33:49 know if it was a pinnacle 50s were pretty damn good too that's when the American automotive industry was super dominant but you those muscle cars I mean they're always gonna be it's definitive I mean definitive American muscle dude cuz anytime anybody gets excited about a new car coming out like they model that design off of right I'll car like you know, this is the new version of the muscle car. It's like yeah, okay Yes, if I it looks like a cool muscle car that like happened already. Did you guys see the ZR1? They're really done veiling of the ZR1. I said it's a Justin

Starting point is 00:34:20 Yeah, so Corvettes new ZR1 that just got unveiled, the 20,000 horsepower, 1,043 horsepower. Okay. At some point, is it going to get ridiculous? It already is. That's ridiculous. Like what are you going to do with that? That's as fast as, yeah. As much horsepower. So I may- You're going to start putting rockets on cars? I think that we are going to see- You're on muscle, dude. I think we're going to see a movement to come back to, you know, five, 600 horsepower, naturally aspirated engines. And you- It's because of the enjoyment, the fuel. Yes, you know, five, 600 horsepower naturally aspirated engines.

Starting point is 00:34:46 And you, the enjoyment, yes, because there's like, there's a good point there. Uh, you know, I've experienced driving both and yeah, there it is right there. It's, it is sick though. It is definitely cool. And so that, so that back windows. So that's a window that is a, a, uh, what do you call that? Like a, um is a what do you call that like a nod yeah homage or a nod to the 1960 something Corvette when that was the only time they

Starting point is 00:35:11 ever split windows which is one of the most expensive old Corvettes that you can buy but yeah that was the reason why I thought that Justin was making that point about how like even when we make a modern car one of the things like the one of the highlights of that car is that it looks like an old yeah It's a nod back to the old split window of the 1960 whatever Corvette and so yeah No, it is it is interesting though, right how it captures So much passion so if there's in other words There's got to be a deeper meaning than just it's fun. It's fast, right? There's got to be something deeper and it has to be something evolutionary,

Starting point is 00:35:46 where if you were fast, you were probably a better hunter, you were probably more successful, and if you had a fast horse, well now you could feed your horse, and you were probably more, you know, it probably means something more than what you see on the surface. Oh, okay, here's Katrina.

Starting point is 00:36:01 So Katrina and I have been talking so much about this because this is like so new to her and and she's even surprising herself Like I'm really surprised how much I'm liking this and finding myself loving more and more and one of the points that she brought Up that is I think so true and such a she's like when you're driving these things like that The level of present you are so, you are not distracted by anything. You know that's what my dad says about motorcycling, because my dad's in his 60s now, and he got launched off his bike once,

Starting point is 00:36:34 relatively recently, miraculously came out with nothing. And he's a speed demon, my dad's always been that way. And my mom gave up a long time ago, she was like, let your dad do what he does, it makes him happy, you know, because she used to be real fearful. And I talked to my, my siblings and I had an intervention when my dad, after he felt his life.

Starting point is 00:36:51 And we said, you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle anymore. And he says, look, I know it's dangerous. I know it's this and that. And he goes, but he goes, I don't think about anything else. I'm riding my bike and I am there and I am nowhere else. And I also know that my dad, he can miss being back home, he misses his family, you know.

Starting point is 00:37:11 So it is, it's being present and it's gotta feel so alleviating, because our minds are always all over the place. To be so just in here right now feels good. That's why people talk about being present. And one of the ways to do that is to be in a scary situation that requires all of your attention. So Katrina got really, I hope she doesn't get mad at me

Starting point is 00:37:30 for sharing this, she got really emotional after the drive back from LA and you've been asking a lot how she's been doing as far as processing what she went through and so with that and she's like, I had no idea that this would have been something that would have made me feel so much better. And a lot of that is just simply that. Is that, yeah. And I think that in today's time, it's even,

Starting point is 00:37:55 it's always been valuable, but we rarely ever spend time not distracted by these phones and people and TVs and like this digital era, we've really supplemented every bit of downtime with some sort of entertainment digitally for ourselves, that there's very few things that we do on a regular basis that we're not also looking at our phone or also watching a TV screen.

Starting point is 00:38:25 Like we always, and now, so this kind of brings it back to something like that. And I just, anybody who's ever experienced flow state, right, if you've played on a team, you've done like a downhill, like, you know, skiing type, like I think those things do a really good job of that. Obviously skydive, crazy stuff like that. Like the feeling of flow state is so cool.

Starting point is 00:38:46 And I think it's just one of those things that you kind of, it forces that. There's a book that I'm halfway through. I might have brought this up on the podcast. It's called The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. And he talks about this. He talks about, and now it's a Christian based book, but I think anybody can find value in it,

Starting point is 00:39:07 where we're always rushed, we're always hurried, we're always thinking about the next thing, we're always so distracted in how detrimental that is to our health, our mental health, but especially our spiritual health, because it prevents us from sitting and pondering and being present with some of the most important things, and how the world has gotten worse with it.

Starting point is 00:39:25 And it's true, look. Well, we're being bombarded with fear. We have all these time-saving devices. We have all these ways to schedule and know what we're supposed to do or whatever that you would think that we have more of this time, but all we've done is filled up more of our space with more things.

Starting point is 00:39:43 So like, to give an example, when we were kids, our parents didn't know where we were all the time. They didn't have tabs on us. They were not nearly as organized because they didn't have as many tools as we have. But they never organized play dates. They were never having to be present with everything their kids did.

Starting point is 00:40:01 You went out and you played. Now you're busier than ever because everything is scheduled and you're present, you have to be there for everything and you have to schedule play dates and you have to make sure it's all, and so it's like we're more sedentary yet busier. We've filled our time with more stuff

Starting point is 00:40:19 because of time-saving technology. So time-saving technology only gave us more time to fill with more stuff. It's like what people talk about with money. You make more money, you spend more money. You ever hear people talk about that? And it's true, so reading this book, it's like, oh yeah, we do this, when do you ever have time

Starting point is 00:40:37 to not be busy? And it's not that you don't have time, it's that you don't allow that time to happen. Think about when you, stupid stuff, like waiting in line and sitting in the toilet. You just don't do it without distracting yourself. I also think it's the single most destructive thing we are doing for parent-children relationships.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Oh, that, yeah. I think that either one, we are distracted as parents with our own phones, or two, we're using the technology to babysit our kids instead of just, and I really think that literally just making that a goal for your house of just and being there to, to allow the conversations to have, to allow the potential activities, the play of the engagement. I think that we are just, I think it has a lot to do. Well, I was talking about this a lot with my kids and I always get some new insight on a lot of, you know, how they perceive, you know, kids that are addicted to devices and they all know like, and they make fun of each other and there's like degrees of, you know.

Starting point is 00:41:43 So kids are actually calling each other out oh they call it like he's got brain rot you know and that's like a term that they use a lot of times too when and then certain kids are just addicted to like jumping on the next post as somebody does a snapchat and they're like just like constantly you know looking out for that i guess there's this like a whole and this is be funny cuz this is gonna You know a lot of people are gonna have an opinion about this whole like skibbity toilet thing What's that? I don't know if you guys have skibbity toilet. It's like first of all I know that's a word that generation Z uses right? Yeah Don't say that I've never heard of that you have yeah skibbity. Yeah, welcome to like yeah like teenager Lingo a lot of shit. They say Okay, so tell me it's skibbity. Yeah, welcome to like yeah like teenager lingo a lot of shit. They say

Starting point is 00:42:26 Okay, so tell me skibbity was it's like it's this really trippy weird like Video that I guess there's like nine hundred something videos somebody made where it's just it's just like Distorted has this guy coming out of a toilet, and then he's doing all this weird, it's really hard to describe. It's just like trippy. It's almost like you're watching some kind of psychedelic video, but geared towards kids somehow,

Starting point is 00:42:59 and you literally get nothing from it. You get no education from it. You get barely entertainment from it, but it's like weirdly addictive. Justin's covered it pretty well. It's basically just like a meme that caught attention on YouTube. So did you know about it too? I just from kids talking about it like 10 year olds and nine year olds. I've got my son kind of say it from time to time but Justin introducing introducing his brain rot is a good way Yeah, brain rot so these yeah, and I guess some kids like on their device will like watch

Starting point is 00:43:31 Hold my hunter all day long It's just like sucked into it and it I it almost seems like some kind of weird mine this one down mind control Is it right here? Yeah, there you go It's just the it doesn't make any sense. It's like, it's really trippy. So does it mean, okay, skivety toilet, does it mean like, did someone made this for you to watch while you're on the toilet? Is that what the concept is?

Starting point is 00:43:53 No, no, no. I think you just named it. It's just a name and it's 17 million views. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like really, okay, we lost it, but. Yeah, he's gonna put it up on the other one. Yeah, my daughter said it or showed me so they know too. Yeah Yeah, it's they were like trying to make like a series out of it or something. I'm like, how do you make a series of this?

Starting point is 00:44:12 It's almost like it's okay. I put it this way It's like if you're watching a concert and you had like throw away like b-roll video in the background with does just digital like weird Trippy imagery. Yeah,'s kinda like what it is. We've officially reached a place where we're not cool. You know, remember your parents were like, I don't get it. And you wouldn't get it. I don't get it at all, dude.

Starting point is 00:44:33 Well even then, the kids are making fun of the kids that are watching it. You know, cause it's such like nonsensical, stupid shit. Yeah, this looks like a cool video game. This is it? Oh! Is this it, Doug? Yeah. Are you sure? This looks like a cool game. That's what it says. This looks like this cool video game. This is it. Oh, yeah Is this it Doug? Yeah, are you sure this looks like a cool says this looks like a cool game Now is the whole thing like this Justin or it's like this this kind of like animated. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah animated

Starting point is 00:44:56 Weird and he's in a toilet, but he's yeah, that looks terrifying. It's it is not yeah, it's like and that went very All right. Well interesting futures It looks terrifying. It is, it's not, yeah, it's like scary. And that went viral, huh? All right, well. Interesting. The future's a little terrifying, I think. Yeah. What's happening? Yeah, can you go way forward so I can just see

Starting point is 00:45:13 if it continues like this? This is the full episode. There must be clips of this or something. No, just scroll way forward so I can see if it's just as follows the same kind of interesting. Like weirdness, yeah, yeah, it is. Just a bunch of weirdness. and this went viral. Yep. We're doing something wrong guys. We are trying to get our information to go out

Starting point is 00:45:31 there. We should have, why are we trying to educate? We should just do some random shit. Random. Everything. I mean, there's probably some brilliance to this, right? There's whoever created it probably psychology. They've, they've nailed the just like, we'll watch it. We'll watch it because we're curious. Where is this going? And so it's like this curiosity, I think, behind it. But you leave with what?

Starting point is 00:45:53 That's the thing is these kids just are zombified after they're done. Or it's got some more nefarious roots. I mean, what do they do? I know. That's what I was thinking. Psychologically, what are they programming? I don't know, man. There's a weird cultural war going on right now. Very, very weird and cute.

Starting point is 00:46:08 I don't, I hate, like I try to stay out of all this stuff as much as possible. I'm not into political stuff, but the thing that happened in the Olympics to me is just, I don't know, man. I don't know if people think it's funny to do that, but to it's crazy that we are okay with mocking Christianity in our country, yet we wouldn't do that to any any other religion. And so it's so interesting how that's become okay to do that.

Starting point is 00:46:40 And not just okay, but on one of the largest stands on the Olympics It's like this isn't like some satire channel on Comedy Central or like a some air R rated series Oh, yeah, or an R rated funny skit. This is something being broadcasted to the world And we're okay with that. That's a you know, I was that's weird to me. I was I'm a really new Christian It's only it hasn't been very long. so I'm not super well versed on theology. It's only been maybe seven months that I would say I'm fully a Christian. When I saw it, I got mad and rage like I think most people. And then I got some wisdom from my wife. My wife sat down and was really helping me process some of it and I thought a lot about it. And so this is my limited knowledge of the Bible. But from a spiritual standpoint, if you're a Christian, you know how this ends. I mean,

Starting point is 00:47:40 the Bible tells you exactly how this ends and the Bible tells you exactly what to do. Your job is to save as many people as possible. If you believe this is the enemy, and now a lot of people are going to be like, I don't believe in that spiritual war stuff. I feel like the people who put that together do. I feel like that's what they're trying to do. I don't think that they're doing it tongue in cheek. I think the enemy loves nothing more than for Christians to get mad and then mock the other side or mock people with the same kind of intent.

Starting point is 00:48:10 Because then what it does is it pushes more people away. So then what happens is you see lots of people making fun of the people who are mocking Christianity. Look at that person how weird they are. Look at that woman with a beard, look at. And so then people on the other side who still haven't moved over or who aren't Christians will say, oh how can you be so intolerant? And it starts, and what it does, it doesn't save anybody. I think when I see that and I get mad, but then I take a step back and I go, okay, the apostles preached within the Roman Empire, which is easily the most hostile time that a Christian could preach. They were persecuting them, they were putting them to death, they were crucifying them,

Starting point is 00:48:49 and here are the apostles preaching. And they didn't grab swords, they didn't grab spears, they didn't go and try to overthrow. What they did was they preached the gospel, and here we are 2,000 years later and the Roman Empire is gone gone and Christianity has reached every corner of the world. So I think as Christians, two things you do, in my opinion, again, I'm a new Christian here but my opinion, I don't want to watch anything that feels that way to me. So if I see that, which I saw, I'm not going to watch the Olympics.

Starting point is 00:49:20 I think that's, and we're blessed to be in a market economy, market world where that actually has power. It wasn't like that in the past. In the past, you preached, they would kill you, so there's a lot of fear there. Now it's like, I can just turn it off, and there's billions of us, that has a lot of power, number one. And then number two, there's a lot of people that still need to be saved. There's a lot of people that look at that and think it's funny or whatever and haven't truly heard the gospel, haven't truly heard the good news and what the Bible actually says, which is good. If you actually pay attention and you hear what the Bible says, it's the most inclusive

Starting point is 00:50:00 religion. Literally, you are saved by accepting Christ no matter where you're at. I mean, that's the story of Christ on the cross. And our job is to try and save as many people. So the rage, I get it, because I felt it. But if we really want to help people the best we can, then trying to mock these people, make fun of them, all it does is it makes people go in the opposite direction. So, and that took me three days of processing. Well, what they don't show is the thousands of people

Starting point is 00:50:31 that got together the next day and held a prayer visual for that. And a lot of people were pretty upset about it and then got together. So it's, again, to me it's just like it's the world stage, it's the portrayal, it's a lot of the media, you kind of see where that's been going and this is just like another layer to that. Pete There's two kinds of anger I see. One is Christian anger, real Christians were like,

Starting point is 00:50:59 oh, that's hurtful, like what is happening here? Why is this? And then I think there's cultural anger, which I think is what we're seeing more of. There's a lot of people who aren't necessarily Christian, but who are conservative, and they view this as an attack on culture. Like, oh my God, look at these. They're making fun of this culture that we're built upon, and that rage then fires back with their own making fun of and poking, and you're weird, not us, and you, whatever, not us type of deal. And that just spirals into who knows what. Well, all that aside, I was happy with one aspect, which was they were doing the opening

Starting point is 00:51:35 kind of ceremony. They had like one of my favorite metal bands was playing, which I would have never thought was going to be playing, you know, for like the Olympics. Gojira was playing, which I would have never thought was gonna be playing, you know, for like the Olympics. Gojira was playing, you know, their French metal band. And so they're like chained up to this castle and they're like all playing. There's like explosion. I don't know if you guys saw it or not. Oh, it was sick. It was super cool. Isn't that the original name for Godzilla? Gojira? I yeah. Yeah, I think so Yeah, yeah, but it was I enjoyed that part of it and then the rest it got kind of sideways

Starting point is 00:52:12 But I'm not watching it at all. I was sad because I love the Olympics, but after that, yeah I'm just not gonna tune in. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little much and I think you're right I think that's the best way to to handle some of this. I don't think I think that's the mistake I think a lot of people make too is they feel like it's like you you know, you brought up like the as a Christian what you're supposed to do, right? But I think the the challenge is I think so many people interpret how to go about that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:39 And I think... I mean, we don't set shit on fire and kill people because they mocked us. What we do is we live a way that converts. And that is a testament that is not a negative. A lot of people say it's a negative. We're weak or whatever. Are we? Or has Christianity survived some of the most insane stuff and hasn't reached every part of the world?

Starting point is 00:52:59 Or is that the way it should be? So, and again, we know the end. If you're a Christian, you know what the end is. So, you already know what the... If you believe that's the word then yeah We know what the ending looks like so but it sucks. It sucks to see that cuz it's like alright, come on What's happening here? Yeah, why are they doing this in lighter news? I saw this You went there. I know I know you you're bringing that stuff up and I'm like, oh, you know

Starting point is 00:53:20 I was like this is so like I mean it was weird to me bothered me. I brought it to Katrina I normally don't talk about this to get into that stuff, but it was like, it was a little over the top, man. It was a little more than, and on that stage, I think that's, I don't care about social media stuff and what this person, that person says, but boy, man, you're broadcasting this to the world. They're lying now saying it was a,

Starting point is 00:53:40 no, it was a depiction of a Greek god or whatever. Nobody knows who that is. You know what you're doing. Yeah, I just, whatever. That's because they're feeling the market pressure. The pale horse, come on, dude. The symbolism was completely obvious. They're doing it on purpose,

Starting point is 00:53:53 but you know, they're feeling the market pressure. They pulled every clip of that off of YouTube, so you can't find that. Oh, they did. You can't find it. Interesting. Because they lost advertisers, they got lots of talk boycott.

Starting point is 00:54:04 So it's the beauty, we live in a market economy We have so much power by just turning it off. Yeah, which is great. No, I agree Yeah, so there's a company like I said transitioning the lighter news called Otopia otto Pia I think is how it's spelled Pretty interesting. Obviously we're in this, we've been talking about the race to autonomous cars,

Starting point is 00:54:28 for a while, who's gonna win, what's that gonna look like, how long it's gonna take to happen. And this company, a startup company, has created basically a bridge between where we're at now to getting there that's pretty brilliant for designated drivers. So that is basically software to actually, somebody is driving it remotely from home with

Starting point is 00:54:50 cameras yes so imagine automatic yeah but there's a driver yes that's actually brilliant very brilliant right and very brilliant because you know the laws and regulations they become fully autonomous cars really hard they're gonna be really hard and take a long time. This right here could become a billion dollar company for a decade. And then they can outsource it to is cheap because people are just wow. Yeah, it could be anywhere, right? Isn't that fascinating? That is amazing.

Starting point is 00:55:14 Oh wow, so she's actually driving with a steering wheel. Yes, she's driving it. This guy has a built-in camera system so that you can see all angles or whatever like that and then they are remotely driving. And is that legal? Are they letting them do it supposedly? Really? Yeah, what happens if she scratches up your rims? Yeah Not let her drive my car. She could drive a car. That's great though, but isn't that isn't that pretty brilliant? Yeah, I thought that was pretty I thought that was pretty clever To cuz that's I think that's the part that I find Most challenging is like with laws and regulations and how dangerous, you know, traffic laws and stuff can be. It's

Starting point is 00:55:52 like, it's gonna take a long time before nothing but autonomous cars driving around. Did you guys see there was a report of a guy with like a jet pack that was in LAX that was just flying close to the flight patterns. What? Yeah. And multiple pilots were like, yeah, there's a jet man, an Iron Man. This became a bit of a joke, but came back and same thing was you could see in the distance this little guy in a jet pack just flying around. And there's only like two or three companies that have made like serious innovation with those things. But one of them was just like the one that he was flying around in.

Starting point is 00:56:33 And it wasn't the one with like the propulsion on his arms, but it was on the back and it had like, so anyways, like they still don't know who it was. They couldn't catch him. But like, it was funny to listen to the pilots joke about it like, you know, LA's Iron Man You know like his back at it again Flying around but they don't know how to like regulate it. Oh, so they don't know who it is, huh? No Oh, he was able to get away with it. Oh, that's pretty funny Jetpack man, yeah, that's uh, that's fun and they can't can't know who it is. No, no, so he invented himself

Starting point is 00:57:05 Well, I think I think he bought it. I think I mean there's where do you buy? I've seen a lot of videos of these Coming out where they'll do I have to they'll take them to like these specific events or Like I've seen one off aircraft carriers. I do that picture that he showed me don't look like no He's got sparks flying out that's one of it so it wasn't that one it was more like that oh that's cool yeah yeah I've seen I've seen I've seen some of these popping up all over the place that's super what are we gonna do when the like more people are just like near home like

Starting point is 00:57:37 just flying around independently like that back to the car thing that I was sharing with you because I was thinking about that more, like how does this get integrated into the society and what business captures this or what that. Imagine right now, we've already created Uber and Uber can become a lucrative position for somebody. Now imagine if these cars have the ability to put this on, like imagine you pay a very low fee to have someone drive your car to work every day

Starting point is 00:58:06 So you could work while you go to work That's even cheaper than what over is maybe go find parking. Well, and what's awesome is that guy? He doesn't have the okay there the the the one drawback of being an uber driver to make more money is Going from each customer to each customer the time in between the time in between So now you can just you now on the next car. So like. So you can jump to like another car in a different area and just start driving.

Starting point is 00:58:30 Exactly, it's all digital. So imagine I have a contract with all three of you guys and I drive you each to work and you leave at this time, you leave at this time, and I first drive Justin and then immediately, or Sal's gonna leap. Now the conspiracy theorist in me is like, wow, they can hack these cars and I'd first drive Justin and then immediately, or Sal's gonna leap, then I'm, then I'm driving. Now the conspiracy theorist in me is like,

Starting point is 00:58:47 wow, they can hack these cars and someone could drive your car? Well that's always been my concern, even with like electric vehicles. Yeah, just the accessibility is crazy. I gotta tell you guys, so NESM, we work with NESM, do you know what they're doing for our listeners? Mm-mm.

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Starting point is 01:03:44 All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Boz from California. What's up Boz? How can we help you? What's happening? Good morning guys. Thanks for, wow, this is great man. I appreciate everything and thanks for doing this. And like I said to Doug, appreciate him and all the admin stuff. You guys make it fast and easy to get to you and you guys are awesome. Really appreciate that. Thank you. Um, so yeah, just a quick background. I've been doing some personal training for the last year or so, uh, primarily a

Starting point is 01:04:15 full time dad. So kind of inside gigging for the last, uh, you know, however long can't even remember, but this is the ultimate side gig. And I really appreciate you guys, uh guys steering me into that and providing a lot of good content and confidence and just you know, I really get to bring to the table a lot of cool knowledge not just about fitness but life and Parenting and so you guys really make me feel special You know to do that so cool. That's great, man. Thanks. I'll help you. Thanks guys. You got it. Yeah, so yeah, I got a client

Starting point is 01:04:48 17 year old kid senior year. He's going into senior year. He's a tennis player. So really unique with his sports playing style You know, it's not a traditional Wear and tear in the body. So I really want to dial him in He's got one more year to just really have a lot of fun and be his best self. So my question is he's brand new to lifting. Like I just got him these last couple of months with summer, but like Justin knows with the football guys going back to school,

Starting point is 01:05:15 the schedules change and the workouts change. So I really want to dial him in to have an all year round, you know, anabolic performance style training program that he can really depend on. And then, you know, I am I really want to make sure he has a good relationship with fitness going forward. So like I said, he just started a couple months ago with me, we've been doing just regular, you know, anabolic style one or two days a week, just technique and form and just really trying to get them, you know, connected to all the muscles. So we're about two months in and man, we've seen great gains.

Starting point is 01:05:49 He's put on weight, he's appetized, gone up. So super stoked with all those, all those markers. My question is, is do I just stick with the anabolic stuff and keep continuing to do like heavy, not heavy, but like teach him the big lifts and technique and form. Or like I said, he does play competitive tennis probably about once or twice a month and he needs to kind of be his best self on those days. So my fear is over training them and getting him hurt and then really not pushing them hard enough to we can see all the gains we can use this 17 year old kid. He's about five, eight, one 50.

Starting point is 01:06:24 So great, great potential. So yeah, let me know what you guys think. How much tennis is he playing during the week? Consistent like on a consistent basis? 100. Yeah, great question. So over the last two months, I've been able to have him put the racket down and just say, Hey, I want to send signals that are just muscle building signals. He's had kind of an off season. He doesn't really have an off season, but but now he wants to ramp it back up. So he's going to do at least, I think even just for mentally two or three days a week, because I know he loves it. It's his it's his passion. So I would say two or three days a week. And then I want to do like two or three days a week of, you know, one, maybe one mobility session with two training sessions or something like that. But the caveat is, is he needs to be his best self like on Saturday and Sunday, potentially for like six hours at a time.

Starting point is 01:07:11 And that's every week or that's twice a month you said? That's, I would say twice a month. Okay. So on a regular week, uh, one day a week of strength training is what you want to stick to. If he's doing three days a week of tennis, one day a week is about as much as I would do with him. You can always do mobility and you can do that on any day. So you can add that if you want. But otherwise one day a week strength training, you can't go wrong with a 17 year old kid with the big compound lifts. You can throw

Starting point is 01:07:39 in a little bit more athletic minded functional type of exercise, but I would wait because he's so young he needs to build some good coordination and strength and a lot of what he's going to get for tennis is from the practice. That's right. Skills training. You're actually doing a really good job with him the way you're training him right now, which is probably why you're seeing such great results. I honestly probably wouldn't make much tweaks.

Starting point is 01:08:00 The only thing that I would adjust is literally based off a week to week and how he's feeling and responding to me. So I might train him once a week. Maybe sometimes I dip into two. Maybe that second one looks more body weight, functional mobility type work. And then the other one is like an anabolic type of a lift. But what you're doing is actually really a really good balance right now. I would not do definitely not more than two, but the question would really be like, is one or two where at? Now on the weeks where he's gonna do the six hour tournaments, I would back way off. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:34 So that week I would do a very short and moderate at most strength training session, one, maybe. On Monday. That's it, early in the week. Yeah, on Monday he has like a moderate intensity. That gives him all the way through the entire week to be 100% fully recovered.

Starting point is 01:08:48 I think he'd be great. Yeah. Wonderful, wonderful. Because I know, I do know, he's a high school kid. I know he's probably going once or twice with his friends just to show off. So I really like, I like that one, maybe that once a week with me.

Starting point is 01:09:02 And then if he is messing around with his friends at the gym once a week like we're really kind of staying under that threshold, but I'm definitely Like even the wonder once you know once a week we meet at the park and then we have one of those great parks With all the pull-up stuff, so I don't even allow him to touch weights make more than once a week Oh, yeah, I love it dude. No you're on point. I mean everything you're talking about I don't really have a whole lot of critiques. I do think like, if you wanna get a little more specified with his training for tennis, that's where he could kind of peer in,

Starting point is 01:09:35 you know, to more of like the priming sequence and what's gonna be most optimal for like competition versus, you know, his practicing. So really bolstering those ankles, those hips, those shoulders, and, and really getting a good solid routine with that. So he knows like, here's my go-to, you know, before, uh, I'm going to accelerate at full capacity. So that way he's, you know, he's, he's just mindful of like getting

Starting point is 01:10:01 that right sequence established. There's a, there's a, there's this idea that when you train an athlete, that the strength training should really be designed specific to the sport. Like, okay, they're a tennis player, so it's gotta look like this, and these are the things we're gonna work on. That doesn't happen till way later.

Starting point is 01:10:20 I mean, that doesn't happen till there's a really solid base, they've been training for a long time, and then you're moving a few things. with a young athlete. It's like, you know, if he's practicing tennis Then all you got to do is build general strength The tennis itself is gonna handle all the nuances of the lateral movement rotation That's all gonna be developed through him practice His practice your job is to get him stronger in general. Especially when you see that he has so much room to continue to improve on, let's say a squat or a deadlift or something like that.

Starting point is 01:10:50 It'd be maybe be different because sometimes you see an anomaly, right? Where a kid is just like impeccable squat, impeccable deadlift. But so long as there's room for you to keep critiquing, improving his foundational strength through those foundational movements, that's going give you your biggest bang for your buck than trying to do like some very specific you know tennis strength exercise. There's a weighted tennis racket. Right, right, right. Yeah that's awesome. That's perfect guys. I got one more little follow-up kind of about like a game day. So like let's say he's got to play like three matches in one day, you know kind of two hours a piece

Starting point is 01:11:26 I mean it's tough for him to even like wake up and eat breakfast So I really have him loading up obviously the day before And then you know eating whatever you can in the morning and then I'm my mindset's kind of like is he hate it? Is he doing element like salt tabs like all throughout the day? Is he you know just focusing maybe on hydration and nutrient replacement or are you trying to shove a steak in there every now and then? I would match his. No, I would have him drink element and then in between.

Starting point is 01:11:52 Three packets you'd say? I mean, each game easily. That's what I mean, in between each one. Easily. I mean, just all his water will have element. That's what I would do. And then as he's in between games, some liquid calories, little bit of carbohydrates and protein. You don't need a ton. 15 grams of protein, 30 grams of carbs, in a liquid form.

Starting point is 01:12:10 So that's- Especially if you did a really good job of loading him the night before. Yeah, that's it. I mean, just enough to fuel each game. What you don't want to do is eat a bunch of food, and then an hour later have to go play. Yeah, bog them down.

Starting point is 01:12:21 Yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah. No, that's wonderful. I kind of take the carb load approach. Like a the football guys reminds me of high school. We do like the pasta feeds and, and you know, kind of get really loaded up the nights before and then game days kind of game day. Yeah. But yeah, in between literally 15 grams of protein,

Starting point is 01:12:37 30 grams of carbs in liquid form. So it's like a half a scoop of protein, 30 grams of carbs could be anything. Gatorade could be juice, whatever. And then that's in between. I mean, good, like ready to drink protein shakes are perfect for this. They can, but sometimes they're overkill because like 40 grams of protein. No, no, yes. Like standard ones. You don't need some muscle building 40 gram of protein. You just need the 20 to 30 gram of protein is probably where I'm going. That's perfect guys. You guys hit all my points there.

Starting point is 01:13:06 That was excellent. You're doing a great job, bro. I mean, literally, I mean, you're on point. You obviously been listening and paying attention for a long time. Are you already in our coaching program? I've done all the free stuff you guys have given out. I did an NCI level one last year just because I wanted to add a little more to my depth and help and stuff like that. But I've been teaching and I've been in education

Starting point is 01:13:27 and coaching for a long time I just and then you guys I probably listed about four years of your stuff and then just lately with like the maps 15 I got 15 you know how much we've enjoyed that as a family and like just I think the theme right now is like you've always said Adam just let's do as little as possible and get a lot of change and like keep the stress low and just keep the And like, just I think the theme right now is like, you've always said, Adam, just let's do as little as possible and get a lot of change and like keep the stress low and just keep the progress moving. And man, you guys is, you know,

Starting point is 01:13:53 you guys messages are super clear for me. And it's, and then I'm able to give it out to those people. So I really appreciate it. Are you following our good buddies? All of our sports performance guys like Corey Schlesinger and Paul Faber Fabrice Max Marzo You have to write some of those down guys. Yeah, so I'll give those guys up. I'll give definitely PJF performance that's one you got to be following him Brian Kula. Yeah, Brian Kula

Starting point is 01:14:18 and then Max Marzo and Then Corey Schlesinger all those guys. I mean I would put them up with four of the best Athletic trainers in the game. I mean they they are they're the guys who I'm watching Frank Oh, yeah Yeah, I put those guys go to Franco. Yeah, Joe DeFranco is in there too for sure. Yeah that I mean that's those are all world-class You know athletic trainers That's perfect guys. No, I appreciate that. I appreciate all the content you guys give out for free. And it's keeping me busy and keeping everybody confident. Like I said, confident.

Starting point is 01:14:50 You guys just give us a lot of ammo at the dinner table. So, pretty cool. All right, man. Thank you. Keep it up, man. Yeah, thanks guys. Take care. Who was it that we interviewed?

Starting point is 01:15:01 It was one of those guys that you mentioned where they talked about with young athletes, what they find and the data now shows us pretty clearly, that if you take a young athlete, for example, and have them focus on soccer all the way up until they're an adult. Oh, that's actually nobody I would mention. That's Wes.

Starting point is 01:15:14 Yeah. That was Wes. Wes. Wes, come on, Justin, you know this. Yeah, yeah, Chad Wesley Smith. Thank you. There you go, there you go. So the data for people who aren are familiar, if you were to take

Starting point is 01:15:25 young athletes and they had a let's say a propensity or a talent for a particular sport, it's better off to put them in a lot of different sports and then have them specialize far later like high school or even after high school. After high school, more resilient to these unknown variables. Right, right. He actually recommended even in high school doing at least two sports. Yeah, because they find they do better at the sport that you want them to get better at. So they'll get better at soccer if they played a bunch of sports growing up than if they

Starting point is 01:15:52 just played soccer. It just fills a lot of gaps. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is strength training is very similar. You get a lot of trainers that train athletes, younger athletes, and they think they have to get really fancy with how they train them and it it's, oh, it's gotta be sport specific, and it's gotta be whatever. The best thing for a young athlete is just get them generally stronger, that's it.

Starting point is 01:16:10 Now later, once they get to maybe super high levels of high school, or definitely college and above, then things start to get really specific and specialized with training. But until you get to that point, their practice and their games and their sports are going to provide all those nuances, your goal is to get them stronger and that's it. I want a foundational base strength and then just quality sharp movement.

Starting point is 01:16:32 I mean, I always use the, especially when we're talking about athletes, they use the, like the basketball analogy of like, I, if I, I've got an athlete that I'm trying to make a great basketball player. I'm not teaching him between the legs, spin drills and fancy passes. All we're really, I want him to be an incredible dribbler with his left, an incredible dribbler with his right, like perfect form and technique, and you're going to drill that home for such a long period of time so he has a solid foundation. Then you layer on that other stuff later on. But that stuff can't layer unless you master the foundation. That's right. That's right. Everybody wants to go, Oh, I

Starting point is 01:17:05 want to learn how to do that crazy move. And so they're practicing that crazy move, but then they have terrible foundational skills. It's like, no, like master, master the, the foundational stuff first. And then when you start adding all the create, like you said, creative, like exercises that are sport specific to tennis, like that's great. And that's why I brought the point up, like sometimes there I've seen, I've actually seen it like a handful of times in my career

Starting point is 01:17:26 where you do have an anomaly kind of an athlete a kid that just the first time he squatted he had better form than you like you just sometimes you see that and then you can start to layer that stuff on a little bit sooner but most kids man they could spend their whole high school career pretty much just getting good at the basic move 90% yeah that's what I mean. Most all of them. Our next caller is Dominic from Texas. Dominic. What's happening? Hey guys. It's so good to see you. Thanks so much for having me on. Really appreciate it. You got it dude. What's happening? How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:17:58 So I've got a little bit of an interesting question. On the suggestion of Adam on a previous show, he mentioned around the time that you turn 30, trying to go and get labs done and get a baseline for where you're at. And I did that. I just turned 30 over the weekend. And I went and did all my labs. And I got some pretty interesting numbers back on my testosterone. I kind of wanted to know what you guys would recommend moving forward. So my total testosterone came out to 984 nanograms per deciliter which my doctor actually asked me if I was on anything synthetic because they thought it was pretty high. Free testosterone was 268.6 and then basically kind of the direction I'm wanting to go is I've been training consistently for the last about two and a half years or so.

Starting point is 01:18:52 I've lost about 160 pounds in that time. And I'm wondering if I should shift my focus kind of away from the weight loss aspect and more toward just getting as big and as strong as humanly possible as much as I can. Because I have those numbers, that's kind of, I don't know. What direction do you think you guys would go if I were a client of yours? I mean, those numbers are gonna help you.

Starting point is 01:19:16 Get big or die. Yeah, those numbers are gonna help you regardless of what your goal are, right? So healthy testosterone levels are, are you sure that's your free testosterone? That's an insane, oh, that's picograms, nevermind. Yeah, very high. You're going to do well going into cut or trying to get bigger with numbers like that. So you're in a deficit right now and your testosterone's at those levels? I was in a deficit for a long time. I'm kind of at maintenance right now, which I have I did a little bit of a reverse

Starting point is 01:19:46 Diet I'm sitting at around 3,000 calories And 225 grams of protein right now, which is right around maintenance I'm not really seeing much movement on the scale right now up or down. How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Six foot five and right around 250 right now. Oh, so you're a monster. That's like a cut dude. Yeah. That's bro you're a big boy. Yeah I would do you know what your body fat's at? No I've not done a specific test. My obviously my bioelectrical impedance scale has me in the low 30s but I think a lot of that is loose skin just from the the weight loss. I would probably put myself somewhere in the mid to high 20s. Yeah I hear you. So if you went back up to maintenance now I would probably put myself somewhere in the mid to high 20s. Yeah, I hear you. So if you went back up to maintenance now, I would go.

Starting point is 01:20:25 And how long were you in a cup for actually? I did the standard, you know, tracking app cut that had me. I was just over 400 pounds and I was eating at like 2300, 2400 for a, uh, about a year, year and a half. Whoa. You were over 400 pounds. Yeah. Wow. Wow. You've made an insane transfer. Great job, bro. Wow, incredible. I would do a, I would go reverse diet. I would go reverse diet.

Starting point is 01:20:50 Yeah, that's a no brainer. And get really strong. Yep. And then your calories will probably climb over 4,000 for a guy your size, and then you can start cutting. But slowly get there though. You're doing, like the fact that you're at 3,000, you're kind of maintaining, jump up to 3,250

Starting point is 01:21:04 or 3,300 for a week or two jump up to 3250 or 3300 for Enjoy that for a couple weeks if you fit the feeling good, you don't feel like you're putting on body fat jump up to 3500 I would just keep Incrementally getting up until your 4,000 plus calories because I think with your size and muscle mass And if you're training running our programs, you should be able to get them calories up over 4,000. And keep this in mind too Dominic if you reverse diet well and you get stronger and build muscle you you can very well get leaner in the process. Now that doesn't necessarily mean you're losing body fat pounds but if you were to gain ten pounds of lean body mass you would

Starting point is 01:21:42 be leaner as a percentage of your body weight. So you could gain muscle, gain no body fat, and you're getting leaner. Remember, it's percentage that matters, not the amount of body fat that you have on your body, but rather the percentage of your body that is body fat. So you could gain muscle in a reverse diet, not gain any body fat, and actually get leaner

Starting point is 01:22:01 through the process. How's your strength in the big lifts? Pretty good. I mean, I've only been really barbell training for a year and a half or so. So I'm deadlifting. I can do like 405 on deadlift right now for three. I can bench 255 in that three to five rep range and my squats right around 405. Yeah, you're doing great. I'm doing you right now, you have plenty of room to go up and you don't need to do it fast. You just, like I said, add 30,

Starting point is 01:22:46 go to 250 calories every couple of weeks and just keep kind of lifting or increasing like that. Yeah. And yeah, watch yourself get like Sal saying, get leaner, build muscle, maybe even go up a couple pounds on the scale, but actually get leaner while you do that nice and slow and controlled.

Starting point is 01:23:02 And you can even interrupt that with like little weak cuts in between. So let's say I jumped you up to 3,250, oh you're feeling great. So we go up to 3,500, by the second week at 3,500 you're like, I don't know, I feel like I'm putting on a little body fat. Okay, cool, let's run a one week cut, drop it all the way back down to 2,500 to 2,700 calories for one week and then go back again. And you can kind of interrupt this kind of reverse, you know, bulk or whatever for a

Starting point is 01:23:24 while with these little mini interruptions of low calories just for a week and then go back to it. And I think we could, by doing that, I think you'll really minimize the amount of body fat you put on and you'll just keep putting lean body mass on. Yeah. Okay. Out of curiosity, Dominic, what kind of lifestyle did you lead before and then after?

Starting point is 01:23:45 Like what prompted you to make these changes? That's a remarkable transformation. Well, I mean, before I was eating out two to three times a day, you know, eating, just not paying attention at all to my diet. And the big thing that prompted that, that was all during graduate school and I was getting my master's degree and then just the pandemic and all of the things just added a lot of stress. But the big thing that kind of prompted the lifestyle change, my brother, my older brother

Starting point is 01:24:16 was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer and he ended up passing away about a year and a half ago. So I saw him and what he was going through and just listening to you guys over the years. You know, muscle is very cancer fighting. And that's that was a lot of what kind of shifted my focus, as I wanted to set myself up and be healthy in case that that is something that's genetically predisposed. I wanted to make sure that I was in a good place. And I was not when I was over 400 pounds so I wanted to to kind of set myself up in case something like that happened. Good for you. Good for you. Sorry to hear about your loss but I'm glad you're on this on this path so it's great to hear. I love hearing success stories like this. Yeah. You're doing great. Yep. That's a nice slow reverse diet. You're gonna love you're gonna love how your body responds. What programs of ours have you ran and what are you running currently

Starting point is 01:25:05 right now? I'm trying to think of what we could, what we would send you program wise. Uh, I started with anabolic, uh, and then I ran symmetry. I have, I've run power lift. I've run aesthetic now that I'm on my second run of aesthetic. Um, because right now the workload is less, I'm a teacher. So I'm in the, in the summer months. I don't work as many hours So I increased the volume with aesthetic

Starting point is 01:25:30 You know my wife's running maps muscle mommy right now I've not run I've not run strong yet that would be one I like strong like anabolic advanced or anabolic. Oh, yeah, that's you. Yeah, which one you want Let's try anabolic advanced that'd be cool. You got it. Yeah, you got you want? Let's try anabolic advance. That'd be cool. You got it. Yeah. You got that with your calorie increase call. That'll be fun to watch. I'd love to hear back. I'd love to hear back from you after you run through that, see where you're at. Okay. Yep. Check back with us. Real quick. I had a quick follow up. Is that okay? Yeah, go for it.

Starting point is 01:26:01 So with me being in that dramatic deficit for so long, would it be wise to just stay in this reverse for like a year, like 12, 18 months or should I just go until I feel like I'm just stuffing myself? You could literally do what I was saying forever, right? You could just always be kind of slowly adding the calories when you start to feel like, oh, I'm feeling lethargic or I feel like I'm putting a little body fat on, go on a little mini cut and then go back. You can continually interrupt that kind of slow reverse diet and then you'll get to a place, the perfect world is that we land you somewhere, say around 3,500 to 4,000 calories

Starting point is 01:26:40 where you don't feel like you're stuffing yourself. You feel very satisfied. It's very comfortable and natural for you to eat that many calories. You don't feel like you're depriving yourself. And you can sustain that. And then you just kind of hover around that calorie. Ideally, that's what we want.

Starting point is 01:26:53 So I don't know how you feel right now, if it feels like it's a lot of food or it feels like you are restricting a little bit. But ideally, I want to get my client to a place where I'm starting to stretch them as far as how much they have to eat. They're starting to give me that feedback of, Adam, this is a lot of food. It's like, okay, cool. Let's cut back a tiny bit. And there's where I want to help. I want to keep you kind of hanging out right there. That's the goal.

Starting point is 01:27:13 Okay. I could definitely eat more. So I'm all right with that. Okay, good, good. Yeah. So I figured that you're a big guy. I imagine it's going to be 3,500 to 4,000 is where you're going to want to be. It's also pretty remarkable that your hormone levels are where they're at with how much weight you lost and the cut you went through. I mean, I'm not surprised the doctor thought you were on gear because those are pretty crazy numbers.

Starting point is 01:27:35 I mean, it's also a testament of you're doing things the right way. That's right. It's a testament of the way you're eating and training right now is the right way and it's responding very well. Awesome, cool. Thank you guys so much. Take it easy. All right. Bye. Yeah his his total is at the upper limit his free is actually a little outside that's how high it is. Wow. Yeah for somebody. That's impressive. And the fact that you said

Starting point is 01:28:02 coming from being obese that's crazy. Typically what you see when you get somebody who's lost that much weight, especially if they just cut their calories for a long period of time, over-trained is depressed testosterone levels. So. Now, what would've been really cool to see is where he was at when he was 400 pounds,

Starting point is 01:28:18 because it would be really interesting if this is a response of him reducing body fat, building muscle. That's the other thing, if you do it right, you get a better body fat response. So what I'm thinking is like, man, maybe he, like I would have loved to have seen where his levels were when he was say, you know, 28 years old and 400 pounds, and then all of a sudden he started really taking care

Starting point is 01:28:36 of himself, and even though he was in a cut, his testosterone levels went up, because let's be honest, what he probably did was he built muscle and lost body fat at the same time exactly so that's incredible. Our next caller is Nicole from Maryland. Hi Nicole how can we help you? Hello. Hi well thank you so much for taking my question and before I ask I just want to say like every other listener thank you so much for what you put out there in the fitness world and specifically for all you do for women to break free from toxic diet culture and focus on getting stronger and being healthier instead of just being skinny.

Starting point is 01:29:13 I really appreciate that and I know so many of us do. Thank you. Yeah. So my question today is about coaching women. So I am a coach for perimenopause and postmenopausal women, and a lot of them really would like to build strength and lose body fat. And I always program deadlift variations and squats

Starting point is 01:29:34 into their fitness program, but I was just wondering specifically about squats, which are often a challenge for their baseline mobility and strength. So is it better to work with them on perfecting a deeper range of motion with their squat first so that they're doing more of the ass to grass style and using lighter weights so that they can get there? Or is it better to use heavier weights and have them not put their thighs quite parallel to the ground and work on building strength that way before we increase their range of motion.

Starting point is 01:30:08 Cause I, it's a 12 week program. So I really want them to be able to, um, see some gains and have some motivation as they're building their strength up and wasn't sure which way you guys would recommend. Good question. Yeah. Both, both options are getting them stronger, but only one of them is improving the range of motion at the same time.

Starting point is 01:30:28 So if you take somebody that can go down to parallel and You're you get them to you know through mobility work and whatever be able to go down another couple inches You've added a longer range of motion and it's it's More resistance. Yeah, so so I would always focus on range of motion now Does this mean you need to aim for ass to grass with everybody? No, because for some people that might never happen or it may just take a long time, but I like to get people to the point where they can at least come a little bit below parallel. That's exactly, break parallel. That's the goal for me. I definitely don't want to be loading a client, especially early on in a 12-week program, more and they can't even break parallel.

Starting point is 01:31:07 If they're not breaking parallel, I'm not going to put an extra 25 pounds on just so I can say, look, you're squatting 25 more pounds. I'm going to express to them exactly what Sal said is, listen, if we can get an extra 6 inches deeper into your squat to where we're breaking parallel, you're stronger. And so forecasting that as you start, so as you start the program, teaching them that, that hey, a greater range of motion, even with the same weight equals a stronger version of yourself. And so yeah, I could load you up and telling them this, you know, I could load you up with another 25 pounds and you know, you squat down less than parallel and we could say,

Starting point is 01:31:39 oh look, but that's not going to help you. That's not what's better for you. And so that's how I would communicate that. And so, but once I got somebody who's breaking parallel or more Then I then I'm gonna play that game a little bit a little bit of both, right? I'm always gonna be trying to get a little bit more range of motion and working on mobility But I also if I'm if they're already breaking parallel, I would load them up They don't necessarily to be all the way ass to grass for me to do that No in a lot of times that times that's sort of the missing factor of really being able to engage their glutes.

Starting point is 01:32:08 So you'll see a lot of women not really feel any activity there in the glutes, whereas to be able to kind of break that parallel to get them to engage is what they really needed. And so to kind of take them through that range, obviously real gradually and like slowly loading, but you know, really creating that stability and creating that tension, especially in the bottom part

Starting point is 01:32:31 where, you know, we're weakest. And that's why I like box squats. I like having, you know, sort of a targeted goal for them to achieve. So it's just below that parallel to, you know, slowly increase their tension and, you their tension and then load it appropriately. So taking them through that gradual process, you're gonna find a lot of success with that.

Starting point is 01:32:52 Justin brings up box squats. A lot of people think that box squats are relegated to power lifters or strength athletes just because they use them quite often to increase their numbers. But I use box squat. I never trained a... I mean, 99.9% of my clients were everyday people and I use box squats every day. And the reason why I like box squats is I could take somebody slightly below what they can stabilize at. So let's say I have a client who can go down to

Starting point is 01:33:20 parallel, but they can't really make it down below parallel. I would get a box and set it below parallel because at the very least they could slowly descend and control the descent. Then I'd have them sit down, then I'd have them brace, and then I'd have them come up. A lot of people use a box wrong too. They use it as a bumping target. Just hit the box and come up. Sit down, pause, brace yourself, come up because it's the change of direction that people often have the challenge with.

Starting point is 01:33:46 It was one of my favorite tools to teaching people to be able to go lower with control. Generating that force there from nothing, that's everything, and they're gonna get so much stronger that way. This is also an area where I'll use elevated heels too. It's not something I would've done as a young trainer because I thought, oh, I'm crutching this person

Starting point is 01:34:03 because they have poor ankle mobility and I should just keep working on their ankle mobility. Well, I can do both. I can take somebody who can't break parallel because they're so limited in their ankle mobility, show them what it feels like to bring weight all the way down there and control that to the point of getting that good hip strength and that deep squat because you can still get the benefits of that. I'm crutching them by lifting their heels up. I don't want them to squat that way forever, but to get them more comfortable with getting

Starting point is 01:34:29 down lower and getting their hips to generate strength and power from that lower depth, a lot of times I'll elevate the heels just because that's normally the number one limiting factor for clients, especially my female. Wearing high heels and doing things like that, they're super tight in that area, and then they can't get down any lower and it's just because if I lift their heels up, boom, all of a sudden they could drop all the way down. But I'm communicating that, see, look at,

Starting point is 01:34:51 when I elevate your heels, look how deep you can get. That's because we have such poor ankle mobility. If we can work and fix that, you're gonna be able to do that without even getting your heels elevated. That's where we wanna get. Like I'm gonna communicate that to the client. Perfect, yeah, I've been, I'm glad to hear you guys say all that. I've been doing exactly what

Starting point is 01:35:08 you suggested. I've been working with one specifically who's doing box squats and I've been having her sit all the way down and pause, you know, rest there before she stands back up. And I've been working with her first to get to parallel and then eventually a little bit below parallel. I haven't tried the heels elevated thing, but I'll talk with her about that and see if she's open to that. I have a feeling I'll see what she thinks about it, but that might be a good idea just to get her feeling with that range of motion actually feels like in her body. Another thing I've been trying with them is doing some of the resistance bands just on the off days so that they are loaded less at the bottom and then increase the resistance as they stand up. That way it's a little bit easier for her

Starting point is 01:35:49 at the bottom of the squat and then more resistance at the top. So I didn't know if that was good to continue doing kind of on those like pump sessions in between the workouts or what you thought about that aspect of it. I would like I would like to tell you when you do the back to the elevator Sorry I'm like stuck on wanting you to do this because an easy test for a trainer with no weight no, nothing is to have a client stand up on your tippy toes and Show me a squat like just demo that and I'll tell you 90 plus percent of the people will be able to go all the

Starting point is 01:36:21 Way down and sit their butts on their calves. That's a clear indication that this is not a hip issue This is not it's like it's literally the ankles that are not allowing us to get down there And that's an easy way without stressing them or making them feel weird and awkward by putting their heels on just stand on your tippy toes And see if you can squat down with them and see if they can do that you getting them to do that is Is going to show them that that's the root cause and then that's where we need to put all our work. And then I'm putting most all of my energy towards that. That one thing, this is why I'm such a big fan of the combat stretch and I've talked about it at Nausium for the last five, six years, is because that right there will solve

Starting point is 01:37:00 probably 90% of your clients that are not getting below parallel. Just that alone. That's how important that is. Awesome. Yeah, sounds good. I'll definitely do that. Awesome. Thanks. Do you have your coach, do you have Prime Pro? That's a really valuable program for trainers and coaches. I do have Prime Pro. I love it. I use it all the time. Yeah it's great. I love it. Wonderful. Are you in our trainer course? I'm not. I did the three day intro one, but I haven't signed up for the actual course. It's really cool.

Starting point is 01:37:29 Well good deal, we'll reach out to you. Thanks Nicole. Okay. Appreciate it. Sounds good, nice to meet you all. You too. Bye. Bye bye. You know, it is a good question, because I know a lot of people,

Starting point is 01:37:42 when I was younger, range of motion was not as important as weight on the bar. Yeah, it wasn't really as much of a consideration. No when I was younger range of motion was not as important as weight On the bar. Yeah, it wasn't really as much of a consideration. No, I was like I just gonna go lift heavier and when I finally And it was a bodybuilder that convinced me When I finally lightened the load and did a greater range of motion Muscle just came onto my body and I got so much so much out of it. Yeah that it's adding resistance to a shorter range of motion is not going to...

Starting point is 01:38:10 In fact, there was a period of time in the 90s where you had people experimenting with partial reps because the theory was, well, you could just overload the body, right? You'd have squat with so much more weight that's going to build so much more muscle. And of course, it fell out of favor because it doesn't work. Well, I just think it's near sighted. I think, yeah, you get two benefits. You get functional benefit, and you also get the strength potential benefit.

Starting point is 01:38:32 You also get more chances to increase your overall size of your muscle. Like if you really focus on that range of motion and getting strong, because it is like a whole nother exercise once you pass a certain range of motion that your body recognizes. And so in order to avoid dysfunction

Starting point is 01:38:50 and then also get stronger overall and then build more muscle and maximize your potential, I mean, it just makes perfect sense. I mean, the reason why I'm drilling home the elevated heels is because... Because you like heels? Yeah, totally. Because I think more than 90% of my clients

Starting point is 01:39:07 that couldn't break parallel, that was why. It's rarely ever something else. Now there is 10% of the time when someone has a unique situation. Yeah, the majority you're right. It's ankles. It's like just getting them to be able to improve their ankle mobility all of a sudden

Starting point is 01:39:23 improves their squat depth dramatically. And that's such an easy test to figure that out. And then if you see that they can like all of a sudden go all the way down, you know what the problem is. And now, and then instead of like, and this is what happens, a lot of trainers over complicate improving somebody's squat because they see all the, they see the beginning. Like, so what happens is they see the asymmetrical shift and the chest falling forward and not breaking parallel.

Starting point is 01:39:50 So they see all these problems, but it's all stimming because they can't, as soon as their knees start to travel forward a little bit, the body goes, it tightens up. And then all of a sudden you see this dysfunction everywhere else. And it's like, if I just lifted her heels up, now all of a sudden she can sit her butt down on her ankles. It's like, oh, just lifted her heels up, now all of a sudden she can sit her butt down on her ankles. It's like, oh, that's the problem is that's what's limiting her. And then as I stretch her capacity, then you see all this other breakdown.

Starting point is 01:40:12 And then the trainers get all focused on all the other areas that are breaking down. It's like, dude, if we just fix the ankles, all this other stuff is going to go away. And so I normally really try and drill that home to a trainer. It's like, figure that piece out first and really get them better there And then watch all the other dysfunctions start to get better

Starting point is 01:40:28 Our next caller is Tyler from Tennessee. What's up, Tyler? What's up, man? Hey guys, how's it going today? Good It's an honor to have be on the show with you guys Um, it's awesome to ask my question and obviously looking up to you guys since I found you guys as a podcast I'm a coach and trainer. So I love your guys' content. It's helped me with my own fitness journey, kind of keep me away from the shiny object syndrome and give me lots of resources to help my clients with as well. How can we help you? So the question that I had for you guys, um, at the time that

Starting point is 01:41:00 maps performance advanced came out, I hopped on that program. I got it because I was kind of trying to condition back into my sport. As I'm working through that program, I'm trying to figure out what a good approach would be for sort of a year long kind of phasing of your guys's programs. What do you mean by year long phasing? That has lots of support. So my sport, I kind of do year round. And I'd love to kind of find a program from each of

Starting point is 01:41:26 your guys' different options that I can kind of pair along with my sport and going through the whole year. And this is for you Tyler? Yes. So much of this is dictated by the volume of the sport you're playing. Period. That's it. I mean so when someone says I'm playing a sport year round, what's the best program for you? The first thing I need to know is like, are you playing your sport two days a week, five days a week? What's your off season look like? So what is all of your non, you know, strength training activity look like?

Starting point is 01:42:06 I would say in what I would say like my offseason for the sport and the sport too if you guys are familiar with Jujy Mufu on Instagram His big flipping and spinning and acrobatics. That is the sport that I like to do Terrible sport for me to do. I'm like 6 2 and over 200 pounds, but it's a fun thing to do So how often do you train do you you practice that? And what does that look like? So I would say in peak season, which I tend to do outside on grass. So the biggest time of the year that I spend the most on my sport is probably spring and summer. And that looks like probably three to four training sessions a week, probably anywhere from like 30 minutes to probably two

Starting point is 01:42:41 hours. It's definitely not, it's more of like a hit exercise than anything. I kind of do about of, of my sport. I kind of rest, relax, and then I go apart similar to like gymnastics, kind of tumbling movements. Uh, it's a very technique based sport. So I find that I have to do it a little bit just to maintain like my air awareness, how my body moves in space. Um, I mean, anytime I've tried to include weightlifting in the past,

Starting point is 01:43:05 it's been really easy for me to over train, especially in my early 20s, like when I didn't know any better, I just would do like a five by five program and train the same and I'd be like, man, my joints really hurt. Like it seemed like just like a sunk cost to do weightlifting and I ended up just doing my sport.

Starting point is 01:43:21 Are you, do you compete in this? No, it's just like 100% recreation. Oh, all right. Well, okay. So here's the deal. You gave me, you gave me a huge range, a huge range, uh, 30 minutes to two hours. Um, you're training yourself and not competing. It's all going to be based on what you want more of and what you're doing more of.

Starting point is 01:43:41 If you're doing, if you're really training hard at your sport, then you're gonna do strength training maybe once a week. If you're out there just practicing your movements and keeping your skill and it's not super intense then you can strength train more often. This is gonna be, it's real kind of tough to answer because the range you gave us. I mean, I would look at it like this.

Starting point is 01:44:04 The sport and strength training, I'm not allowing myself more than four to five days of combined. And so if you're doing three days, three days or four days of practicing your sport, you might be strength training one day a week. If you're only doing your sport one day a week, like say in the winter time, just to keep up the mobility,

Starting point is 01:44:24 flexibility, the skill, then I might strength train two days a week, like say in the wintertime just to keep up the mobility, flexibility, the skill, then I might strength train two days a week. But you just have to balance that based off of the volume and intensity. And what most people make a mistake of doing is doing too much. You know, it's trying to do both and then you hit and then both suffer. Let's make it a little bit more specific because, you specific because it could be three days a week, Adam, of 30 minutes like you said. If it's intense hit, that's intense. Yeah, but I mean that's less than like two hours. Oh yeah, well that's... If you're doing two hours, three days a week, you shouldn't be doing nothing else. Maybe total time. Maybe we should look at total time.

Starting point is 01:44:59 If you're doing three hours or more of your sport, then you're doing one day max of strength training. At moderate intensity. At moderate intensity. If you're doing, so maybe look at it like, I'm not gonna do more than four hours of intense workout throughout the week. And I'm based off that.

Starting point is 01:45:16 And I'm kinda, and an important thing for me too is like, because I don't compete and it's more about the fun of it for me, it's less about optimizing my training to keep pushing the limits, but more of like, can I keep doing this for as long as possible? I'm turning 30 this year and it's for me, it's more about, can I just do like my sport for as long as possible?

Starting point is 01:45:35 And I know like maintaining muscle mass is important, keeping up flexibility and mobility. The sport is very like unilateral. So it's a lot of spinning and rotating to only one side of my body. So it is very like,ilateral. So it's a lot of spinning and rotating to only one side of my body. So it is very like presents and balances, which is kind of why I wanted to get originally into training. And I got interested in personal training because I was like, man, like this is all to one side. I'm jumping off of one leg. So let me just ripping through one side.

Starting point is 01:45:58 So let me, okay. I'm going to throw something out here and here. I want to hear the other guys, how they think about this. Cause this is obviously unique. If I could program you for the whole year then I would probably put you on a symmetry type of program two days a week and then you do your sport two days. That's kind of how I'd want to see. That's how I think I envision like a nice balance of since it's not like you're competing but you want to keep the skill up you want to be good at it we don't want to over train so two and two would be a pretty good balance. And then, you know, and maybe sometimes you,

Starting point is 01:46:31 cause you're really into it summer and you're loving being outside, you go three, but then you drop down to one of strength training. And then maybe it's the winter time and you only get to do one day of your acrobatic training, stuff like that. Then maybe I'll let you do two days of actually strength training.

Starting point is 01:46:45 And so I would toggle between two and one days of straight training with two and three days of this sport. And I think a program like symmetry and or performance is probably the best balanced program for you for like running your- Yeah, symmetry or performance advanced and really incorporating those priming movements and the mobility pieces in between just to reinforce and create that stability with all this explosive movement. Your biggest goal is how do you recover most optimally when you're accelerating all the

Starting point is 01:47:19 time and putting that kind of stress on your joints. I definitely agree with Adam. I think that's probably a good protocol. I mean, it'd be interesting to see how you would do on like more of a 15 minute kind of like consistent touching the weights approach. If we were to try that for us for a stint, you know, but you'd have to all base that off of your recovery if that's like even a lot, you know, after doing that and then adding explosive movement. That's what I was going to recommend because are you looking more to maintain, you said maintain the skill. Is it more about the skill or the stamina?

Starting point is 01:47:52 Because that would maintain your strength and then you'd still be able to perform. Yeah, because if you just want the skill, then you're better off doing a little bit of strength training and a little bit of practicing your sport daily. If you want the stamina, then yeah, you got to go out there and do an hour of it. But if you want the skill, go ahead. I would say like stamina's not too big from a training demands. Like if I was an athlete,

Starting point is 01:48:14 and what am I missing as an athlete? I would say like my strength and my stamina is perfect for the sport and anything. My strength and muscle is more just like, I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too and like be jacked, but also be athletic. Um, you know, but I think, I think, I think Justin might've hit the nail on the head. I think math's 15 and then maybe 20,

Starting point is 01:48:36 30 minutes of practicing your sport after the workout. You could probably do that five days a week and you probably be better off with your skills doing it that way. It probably be, yeah, be better. Like your body's gonna be learning that. Again, this is all like part of that practice, like where you just keep reinforcing the signal. So I ran through a performance advance.

Starting point is 01:48:55 I loved it. I kind of was, I was coming off of an injury last year, so I didn't do my sport at all for six months. I tore my Achilles and I rehabbed that and then in basically my off season when I was rehabbing that I just ran maps anabolic and actually just put on a ton of muscle on my upper body just because I wasn't doing my sport which was kind of fun. And then as I got out of my rehab and doing stuff that's why I got performance advanced. Started doing that, felt great with it, started doing my sport like one day a week and then when I finished performance advance

Starting point is 01:49:27 I actually kind of intuitively went the maps 15 route and Have been doing that to kind of lower my training volume and now I'm like doing my sport maybe two to three days a week I like that for about a couple weeks and it's been feeling good Mm-hmm. I like that Tyler view. Did you listen to the two interviews we did with John? Um, I don't think so. No. Yeah, he's been on mind pump, bro. I Didn't know you had him on my pump. That's actually awesome way before I started way before way I mean we we put John wasn't even that big yet at that time It was like I don't even know how many followers he was at, but he was kind of small.

Starting point is 01:50:05 We got connected through a partnership. Chimera Coffee, who was a friend of ours, knew us and knew them. And in fact, I think we were probably one of the first big platforms that he had came on. So he's been on the show twice. Oh, that's very cool. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 01:50:18 I've been following him for like, since like, I started this like 2010. Yeah, that's awesome. Good guy. All right, man. Thank you guys. So probably like maybe something like in my off season, I kind of focus like reducing my training volume, kind of maybe up in the gym if I want to build a little bit of muscle in a weak area or just selfishly and then kind of do maybe like performance route, 15 route and maybe something like symmetry as well

Starting point is 01:50:47 yep yeah absolutely we got something for you in the future too so stay tuned very cool yeah and then um oh yeah I just gonna say thank you guys I really appreciate the time you got a brother I'm calling him I think you guys see you man we're gonna name that's what I was just you know keep saying sport what's the time. You got it brother. Thanks for calling in. All right thank you guys. See you man. We gotta name that sport. You know keep saying sport. What's it called? He calls it acrobatic something right? I don't know he calls himself the anabolic acrobat or something like that. It's uh you know it's been a long time since I touched. How do you train that? I mean I guess I just see a you know a picture of a grown man going out to the grass and just like.

Starting point is 01:51:26 Yeah, it's a lot of tumbling. I'm doing my training. It's a lot of gymnastics. It's very gymnastic and very similar and a very high skill, obviously, explosive movement. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. Crazy.

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