Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2398: How to Lose Arm Fat, Weird But Effective Exercises, the Ideal Shoulder Position When Overhead Pressing & More

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

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Here's a novel way to get your body to start building muscle and strength again. Start training unilaterally. Literally, if you've been working out for a long time, find yourself plateaued, do a long phase of one arm or one leg style training, unilateral training. The body naturally balances itself out when you train this way and you build muscle. Then you go back to the barbell and you're much stronger. Try it out for the next four to six weeks. Watch what happens. This whole time, Doug thought that meant you lift weights on a unicycle.

No. That's not what it is, Doug. That's dangerous. Yeah. Don't do that. Glad you clarified. You know, it's, so what's crazy about this, so here's, you know what I love about what we do

is there's so many things that we observe through training clients and ourselves over years and years and years, decades, in our case, that we make statements and then eventually the science catches up and proves what we're saying. So what am I referring to? We have a program called Map Symmetry, which is essentially a unilateral style training

program, meaning you're doing one arm, one leg at a time in training. It's a strength training program. And we were getting back, we get a lot of these by the way. We never post them because we've made an agreement a long time ago to not use people's before and afters. We just don't believe in marketing fitness in that way. It tends to promote the wrong thing. But nonetheless, we get them. We get a lot of them.

And we kept getting these body scans from people who were getting lean body mass scans, body fat. Dexa scans. Dexa scans. Dexa scans. And they're showing us their Dexa before and after training unilaterally. And what you're finding, these are all seasoned individuals,

these are all people who are experienced that I'm referring to. They'll send it back and the first one will show something that is quite common, where it'll show lean body mass on the right side, lean body mass on the left side, so the right side will have a little bit more muscle than the left side or vice versa.

They're then showing the after, and they're building, and they're balancing out, essentially gaining way more muscle than they normally would in that period of time, but it's through the unilateral training, the balancing out. I remember there's one young lady in particular, she gained like three pounds of lean body mass,

but she was already fit, she looked amazing already. So it's really hard for anybody who's worked out for a long time, you know this, the longer you work out, the harder it is to gain muscle. Your first year, you know, you build a lot of muscle. By year five, six, and beyond, like gaining three pounds of real lean body mass, not just weight on the scale, but actually,

that's really hard to do. And she gained, plus she's a female, she gained three pounds of lean body mass and it was muscle that balanced out the right and left side. And we keep seeing DEXA scan like this. And it confirms what we've always observed. Like if you're training people who have already got good muscular builds and they never train this way, you put them on a unilateral phase of training and

it's remarkable how the body responds. Well, it's not always obvious where your body's compensating. A lot of these times like, and we're such creatures of habit and we get into these patterns of lifting and what we feel is good, like when we go to the gym, we have this sort of regular routine that we do. Now, if I'm lifting the weights, a lot of times I could be sort of just compensating on one side versus the other based off of like some imbalances, some lack of strength.

And now if I'm going to take the time to actually really hyper-focus on that and observe, okay, wow, my left leg actually is substantially less stable and weaker than my right leg. That's so much potential there for you to build upon. And so it's not just a novel stimulus because we say that a lot in terms of like, well, why don't you just change the program up? Why don't you just find something that's like new and novel because your body is going to react to that stimulus. This is one of those things that's like, it's even more beneficial than that because now we're addressing imbalances and instability that could be causing this downstream effect of pain and dysfunction down the road if you

just keep going along what you're doing. So it's so beneficial for you just to do that regardless to interrupt any kind of real serious barbell training. Quick business question for you guys. If you were to have started this all over again, is there a different order of program releases, knowing what you know now, that you would have done? From a business perspective or trainer perspective? I'd be like, prime symmetry. I mean, I'll take both answers.

I'll take, I mean, if they're different, tell me the difference and why. That's tough because business wise, like, you know, top selling programs like Muscle Mommy and, you know, Maps 15 and, um, from a trainer perspective, you know, you'd want to start with correctional and functional and stuff like that. You know, the market doesn't really reflect what people need. So it's really hard.

Luckily we can communicate here on the podcast what's really beneficial. MAPS Anabolic made sense because it's like general muscle building, but man, unilateral training is magic. We kind of did something in the middle of that, right? Because I don't think it was the smartest marketing business money decision to go Anabolic first.

I also don't even think it was the best trainer program to go with. If we would've done that, we would've done prime. If we were doing the absolute perfect trainer order, that's the must. Every client has to, we've said this at Nausium. That's how you train people. And that's how you tell if you even have a good trainer.

If your trainer doesn't run you through an extensive assessment on day one, run. It's not a good trainer. Like if your trainer doesn't run you through an extensive assessment on day one, run. It's not a good trainer, right? So that should obviously have been the first one from that perspective. Then arguably, probably symmetry, then you probably would address some of those imbalances before you move them into probably an anabolic.

So I think if you were to order them, you probably would have bought, or if we were doing it from a were to order them, you probably would have bought or we would have, if we were doing it from a trainer like that point, it probably would have looked, we waited a long time. Yeah, that's basically the order I arranged for programming with student athletes. I mean, that was like, crucial for me to assess and see form dysfunction, and like see any kind of imbalance that need to be addressed and then, you know, implement that through unilateral training and then build them up to bilateral training at the end. It was like the perfect kind of progression. You know, but there's something

weird going on too because there's, like I said, we're looking at these DEXA scans and also again, we've observed this, just couldn't really explain it but you build more muscle so if you're experienced and you've been working out and then you train unilateral something magical kind of happens I say magical because I don't understand it you build more overall muscle than you would have doing anything else but that muscle is going to balancing the body out you're still training the whole body though so what's going on there's something interesting going on where, you know, I always think about those studies where they'll take somebody and they'll put one arm in a cast and then they'll strengthen the

other arm while the arm's in a cast. The arm that's in a cast will lose less muscle even though, even though you're not training. I don't think it's that magical at all. I think there's a simple way to explain this. It's this advance, the example you're using, this advanced lifter who doesn't even realize they have this discrepancy until the Dexascan comes out and they find out they have this discrepancy left to right. So just for hypothetical reasons, we'll use some vague numbers like this. When they squat, 80% of the load is being taken over by the left side. 40% or excuse me, that would be 20% is on the right side. And then you go put them on unilateral training. They don't really build much more on the left

side because they were already maxing, pushing that out and the body had adapted to handle 80% of the squat bilaterally. But what ends up happening is the one that was underperforming because of the overcompensation to the left side of that bilateral squat, now is forced to take all of the low because it's unilateral. And so you have this huge opportunity for growth because it hasn't been being pushed at its max capacity. No, see, I thought of that, but here's the thing.

When you tell people to train unilaterally, there's a specific way to do it. It's not just train one arm and then train the other arm, train one leg, train the other. You start with the weaker side and the weaker side dictates the weight and the reps. So then the stronger side is not training with the same intensity that normally does. Yeah, but you okay, again, I'll explain that. We've addressed this before.

We've already, I mean, what probably one of the most mind-blowing, shattering things that I feel like I've learned in the last just 10 years of podcasting with you guys is the amount of volume intensity needed to keep muscle. So you go through this phase of three months of going through a unilateral program, the left side that was so dominant is still getting stimulated. Sure, it's way less intensity because you're having to match the weaker side, but it's enough to keep the muscle. It's enough to stimulate it enough because it doesn't need that much volume. It's not like you're going from not training it at all.

You're still training some of it and that's plenty to actually keep the muscle you've had and then what it is, is it puts the emphasis on those side that's been neglected and then it catches up. Does that make logical sense? Kind of, right? But like, let's say you're doing a shoulder press, right? By the way, the numbers that Adam's giving are not common, right? If it was 80, 20, I know. So you know. Does that make logical sense? Kind of, right? But like, let's say you're doing a shoulder press, right? By the way, the numbers that Adam's giving are not common, right?

If it was 80, 20, you'd know. Yeah, yeah. I probably should have used something more like 60, 40. Or not even, yeah, it's like a two or 3% difference in people who are advanced. Typically, it's not this, because otherwise you will see the barbell move. But you know, let's say we've worked with people,

or it's happened to us, where you're doing a press, and when you start to fail, the bar starts to turn a little bit and then you still get the bar up. So you're still maximally stressing each side because the stronger side's lifting more, the weaker side's lifting less but they're both maximally being stressed.

There's something else that's going on. There's this interesting cross talk because I feel like the body, the body, there's something adaptive there what's trying to maintain balance. And it's gonna be based of its stress and how it works, but how weird is that that you train one side and you leave the other side incapacitated and it affects the other side.

It's very interesting. There's this systemic signal that's being sent. And then maybe this crosstalk signal is distributed left to right. Cause like, you know, typically you don't just use one leg, you lose both legs or arms using both. Um, so I don't know if there's a crosstalk between arms and legs. I would assume there's some, but it is interesting because if you're, again, if you're advanced and you switch to this style of training for a while,

you'll build more muscle than had you not, even with this almost similar programming, just because it's yeah, because now also you're addressing the inefficiency. Yeah, because when you're lifting and you're over overcompensating with, you know, the one side versus the other, you're going to get to a point where to you're over training on that one side. So it's a regress it in a sense. Yeah. And then to build the other one up and restore regress it in a sense, and then to build the other one up and restore more efficiency in terms of overall output, simultaneous output versus just one-sided output. I think that definitely plays in and contributes to you

now stretching to an even higher optimal level. Yeah, that's a no-brainer to me. That's one of the coolest parts about running a purely unilateral program for a period of time and then going back is the strength gains when you go back to bilateral. Oh, it's crazy. Because now it's like such a great way to break a plateau. Again, speaking to the advanced lifter who has been kind of stuck in a, you know, strength plateau for a long time. And I remember this. I remember it was interesting because it was around the same time

I was doing a mobility kick, and so my intent was not, oh, I'm gonna do this to build up my strength and break through a plateau. It was actually, I'm going on this mobility kick, so I was doing all this single leg stuff, and I was doing single leg deadlifts, and I was really weak when I first started, and I ended up getting really strong on both sides,

and had avoided bilateral training for like six months, come back to deadlifting. And I had never felt so strong and so stable as I did after that. It's wild. Yeah, it is wild. And again, that wasn't even a desired outcome. I wasn't even thinking, oh, I'm trying to do

this to build strength. So the benefits for the advanced person who hasn't run through a pure, cause I, you know, the thing that I did in the past as a trainer that I didn't do it, you throw in unilateral. You throw it in, you sprinkle it in and more, you don't make it a focus. And more like a, like a novelty still. You say, Oh, it's been a while since I've done Bulgarians need to interrupt my squats with some Bulgarians,

do them for a couple of workouts and then back to my squats or something like that. Never have I said for three months, I'm going to commit to unilateral training. You just don't do that, you don't see that. No, you don't. You don't see a lot of people program that way. And it's crazy, because I look back, and I remember when we decided we were gonna go that route,

we were like, God, we get so many damn questions from people, and we're constantly telling them, go run unilateral for a while, you need to do this for a while. It's like, why have we wrote a program to address these people? That should have been done a long time ago, I think,

and that would have probably served us better, both business and trainer-wise, I think would have served us more. And there's, you know, more that goes into it. Like, you know, you could consider a dumbbell chest press unilateral, but both at the same time is very different than alternating, and it's very different

than one at a time. Sure. So there's levels to how unilateral works works but you mean you could try this in your workout like if you're gonna work out today take all of your bilateral exercises and do the unilateral version of that exercise. Almost every exercise has a unilateral style version and then just do the whole workout that way. Your workout might take a little longer you can cut the volume a little bit but then see how you feel it's really interesting it's really strange too when

you can squat so much or press so much or row so much then you go unilateral and it's Significantly less. I mean you would expect it to be less than half at least but not that much less But something you never do this. It's like oh wow, I could I could bench press 300 pounds But I could barely hand handle 75 pound dumbbells. Okay. I need to work on. It was such a funny thing though, cause it was total performance and aesthetic gains from this training. Cause it was like, how do we market this? You know, cause usually it's like, you know, if you have some kind of aesthetic hook, you know, then that's going to

kind of get people's attention a bit more. It has that. Uh, it's a little more, uh, uh, I guess boring in a sense in terms of the training style of it, but to fill a lot of those gaps and get that kind of connection again established, you can really kind of build up certain muscle groups in the body and balance yourself out. It's so funny because this is what's neat about the three of us, this is where we're so different, because I was such the aesthetic guy, like I always gravitated to training like this.

I was more of a unilateral dumbbell guy always, and it wasn't until hanging out with you guys that I really put more emphasis on the barbell training. You know, of all strength athletes, the strength athlete that does the most unilateral training, besides maybe really functional athletic type trainers, bodybuilders. Yeah, they do way more unilateral.

Yeah, because the way I would write programming for myself when I was trying to build my body was I looked at like a piece of clay, and I'm like, oh, I need a little more on the right side over here on my rear delt. Oh, my left pec is way more developed than my right pec. So it always drove me towards, you know,

this type of training has been, cause I cared more, I never cared like, oh, my bench is two whatever or three whatever. It's like, I cared more about, okay, look, I look imbalanced visually here. How do I go? And then obviously if you have an imbalance left to right visually, you gotta go,

you have to go dumbbells. You're not gonna fix that with a barbell ever. And so I avoided barbell training for most of the time. And then like, I was probably, this is probably unique. I don't know if you guys are aware of this. My dumbbell chest press was equal to my barbell press. So it wasn't- That's rare.

It wasn't for a long time before I could get my barbell to be significantly- Because you did more dumbbells? Because I did so much dumbbells. I mean, I had such a huge discrepancy because I always did barbells. Yeah, no, I was working out with 260 pounds worth of dumbbells, but I couldn't hardly do that with a barbell, if that. That's weird. So I was stronger with... Interesting. Yeah, but of course I did that all the time, you know what I'm saying? And for those reasons. So, I mean, and again, this is why the advice I

always like to give on here is that, you know, the thing that will most likely benefit you the most is the thing that you you never do. Very few people do a cycle of unilateral. So beneficial, like an actual, I mean, I'm guilty of that. So even though I say right now I did all dumbbells, I still would mix, I still mix stuff in and I'd still be doing both arms together rarely that I do like

a pure, true like unilateral unilateral, like the, um, like our program, you know, speaking of, uh, coaching, I've been meaning to talk to you guys on air about this, like, uh, kind of cool. Um, also interesting, you know, I'm curious how you guys take your take. We're all so busy sometimes that stuff happens in the business and, you know, other than agreeing, yeah, we're going to do that or yes, whatever, everybody kind of just dividing conkers and we don't even get a chance to catch up on the ideas or what we're doing. And we're doing something so unique in this business that we've never done and we've avoided for a very long time for good reason. But we're going to coach people.

I know. I'm actually excited about that. I was going to ask you guys, like, yeah, you know what I'm excited about? Because it's a challenge. Like, on my way out of training clients, as a fitness manager, I was only training a handful of people. The last few years of training clients, I only took really difficult clients. I never would take an easy client. I was never like, give me the client that's

got a great metabolic rate already, and it builds muscle easy. I was like, give me the client that's got a great metabolic rate already and it builds muscle easy. It was like, give me the client who's been struggling to lose a hundred pounds their whole life. They've tried every diet, tried like, okay, I'll take that person. And so I really enjoyed the challenge of helping somebody who hasn't been able to figure this out. I really feel like that's what we're going to get a lot of with the GLP-1 coaching program

that we're doing. I think that's going to be really interesting. I'm really excited because we're doing it together. So that'll be fun. We've never really trained or coached people together. So that'll be interesting. The other part that makes, that I'm very fascinated about is how the GLP, the use of the GLP-1 is going to affect the coaching process.

I have some very strong beliefs that I think are probably correct, but you never know. And that's one thing you learn about training people is, you often don't know. You presented so many variables you didn't expect. You have no idea. So I wonder how this is gonna affect behaviors,

how it's gonna affect the way that we're coaching them. Are there gonna be challenges that are going to pop up that we typically didn't run into with other clients? And then there's obviously a bit of a self-selection bias. These are people who are using GLP-1, probably struggled in the past, who obviously listened to the show. So I'm going to guess that we're going to have

more influence as trainers. So one of the challenges with training people, one of the big initial hurdles, right, if you're a trainer or a coach, one of the initial hurdles you have to overcome is getting them to trust you and to work with the advice you're giving them. And that takes a second.

Once you build that, it's a lot easier. That's such a good point. But these are all listeners. They're all built, we already have that built in. So we already have that authority and they believe us, so I'm wondering if that's gonna affect how effective we are. What an interesting point. Or if it's gonna make it even harder for us because-

No way. I don't know. Well, we get buy-in that way, which is a huge hurdle, right? Well, here's why I think it might be harder. That's such a good point though, because one of the hardest parts of being a trainer- Hands down. Is the ability to convince this person to fully buy in.

But is it earned buy in in the same way? Because I was thinking about this last night. Here's what I think. I'm going to just say hypothesis, right? Is that they listen to the show. They've listened to us for a while. And it's like, oh, I'll do anything they tell me. So we're not going to necessarily get an accurate opinion

or from, you know, on what we can tell them to do. Cause oftentimes when you're working with someone, you gotta parse that out. Like, cause people are motivated, they'll all do everything. But then you gotta work back and be like, no, let's start here. It's gonna be harder to read because they're like, I'll do anything.

I'm in this mind pump group. I listen to your show. You know, I wonder. I wonder. Well, to Adam's point, I think it's gonna be interesting to work with not just the clients, but the medical professionals in this setting, because it's like, too, us to be able to kind of go

through that process, which I've done before, and I was always like the same mentality. I wanted to help the clients that were the most difficult, the ones that had the most challenges, because that's where I always learned the most and grew the most, but I haven't worked this intensively with other medical practitioners in that regard to learn about these peptides and all the different discrepancies between each one. So it's not just like your semaglutide versus your Zempig versus any different variation

of that, how it's affecting each individual client. I don't know what that looks like completely. I mean, that is one of the things I'm most excited about. I mean, think about this for a second. And I know you just let Dr. Lauren in too. So we have Dr. Lauren, Dr. Tina, Dr. Seeds. That's great. Three of the best in the world.

Three of the leading experts in GLP-1s. They've been working all day about these things. Hundreds, now probably combined thousands of clients with GLP ones. Tina has been doing it for 20 years, like working in the space. Seeds is up there with that amount of time too. You're talking about like heavy hitters in the medical field that are then supporting the three of us. And like you said, combined forces of troubleshooting when we have, like, I don't know, I'm kind of excited to see like, like how impactful that can be. I'm so psyched.

And the part that gets me the most excited is we're going to be potentially setting the standard of what the narrative or what the structure is going to look like for working for, with people like this for other trainers and coaches. Yeah. Because there's a lot of potential for abuse or misunderstanding or incorrect coaching. Here you have somebody who's got this hunger signal that's blunted and as a trainer, you may not realize that you need to coach to it because it's, oh,

it's cool. They're just eating whatever I tell them. This is perfect. Not realizing, well, we've got to still work on behaviors because at some point, you know, ideally this person comes off. So maybe we should use this opportunity to work on, you know, other behaviors or strengthening other behaviors while this one right here is kind of being ignored.

Versus, oh cool, they just follow the meal plan or, you know, listen to my advice and it's no problem. I don't have the same challenges I would have with another client type of deal. So, you know, it's also responsibility. I want to, I want to be able to communicate to this in a way to where we can tell other traders and coaches like, here's what you'll run into, here's what it looks like, and here's how we can get, how we can use this very potentially

powerful medical intervention in a way to solve these problems, not as a way to get people on more prescription medications for the rest of their life. So that's exciting for me. By the way, on that topic, they're coming out with, they're already out with now oral versions of GLP-1. I've seen the commercials for those, yeah. Now I talked to our partners at nphormones.com and they do have access to an oral version

of a GLP-1. Oh, they do. They do. So instead of once a week injections-1. Oh, they do. They do. So instead of once a week injections with an insulin needle, it's you take a tablet every day. But the feedback has been that they're not as effective. So I know that the medical literature will say, oh, it's the same thing, it's never the same thing.

They have to alter it a little bit, right, so that it could get in the system and survive the process of going through the liver. But I talked to our friends over there and they're like, yeah, when people use them though, they just don't get the same results. But we'll see, we'll see because- It seems to me, at least in most things

that I'm aware of, when there is an option between injectable or pill form, Of course there is a pill. Injectable is always going to be superior. I know. As far as healthy, safer. Because you don't have to go through the liver, you bypass it. Stronger, all the above, like all three.

So anytime someone asks me about that, like oh I got the testosterone cream or this and that, it's like did you not do the injectable for what reason? And I get it if you have this crazy, you can't do an injection, I get it. But if you don't, like if that's not like a major, like you absolutely should opt to go that direction. Well, hormones like testosterone,

in this, I mean, decades ago, 60s and 70s, maybe even the 50s I think, they came out with versions of anabolic, which are similar to testosterone, and they methylated them to survive going through the liver, but they just made them liver toxic. So, whereas if you did the straight injection, you didn't get that issue, so we'll see.

But again, on this same topic, did you guys know that GLP-1s are now officially recommended to pediatrics for adolescent use? In fact, yeah, I know, dude, this is where, see. I don't know if I'm a fan. I'm not, I'm not a fan. This is where, I knew this would happen. I knew that there's too much money to be made,

they're too effective, that they're going to push this through everywhere. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it is now gonna start being recommended as first line. First line therapy. So can we come out and say that to our audience right now that for as much as you've heard us talk positively about GLP-Owns, by no means are we at all supportive

about letting kids take this. There's so many other things and resources that you should exhaust before you would ever even consider doing this. Dude, informing healthy habits, that's when it's most necessary. And to give them the opportunity to learn that process of steering towards activity, exercise, better eating habits, that all has to be educated and established.

And to just jump them right to pharmaceuticals is a disservice. Do you remember that Stanford leading doctor, I forgot who her name was, she was on a popular talk show and she was being interviewed about obesity and she said, you can diet and exercise all you want, it's a genetic disease. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll stop it. Remember what we said? Yeah.

They're preparing. They were, they were setting the table. They're setting the table for, there's nothing you do about this, you have to take a pharmaceutical. Here's why I don't like kids taking this. I don't like kids taking this because there your brain isn't really the the your brain becomes fully developed right around the mid-20s. Okay so up until that point there are parts of your brain

that are still developing and if you influence that development you can permanently change the development of your brain. Whereas if you're an adult then it's a lot harder to permanently change the development of your brain. Whereas if you're an adult, then it's a lot harder to permanently change the development of your brain. It's very different. So you're gonna give a kid something that affects these receptors, which we don't know how that's gonna affect

the development of their brain as they get older, potentially causing permanent changes that were maybe subtle behavior changes or subtle changes in how they process or think or downstream, I don't know, I would not give my kid one of these things. There's no way, I know, it made me really upset. I saw it too, they're like, oh, it might be a first line of first line therapy.

Oh, yeah. Switching gears a little bit. Did you guys hear me on the phone with Katrina before we got on? I don't know if you guys heard. Sounded like something important. I didn't know what, yeah. So I wanted to wait to tell you guys on here

because it was like so crazy. I'm like, I gotta share with the guys but I'll wait till we're live on air so the audience can hear. So Katrina calls me and she goes, oh my God, you gotta listen to what just happened to one of our, or her, she's got a, what is it, her esthetician or whatever.

Who's been a family friend forever. Lady's a little bit older, she's had this business for like 50, 60 years, very successful. Her husband passed away a few years ago and she knows Katrina's family very well, they were all there. And she calls Katrina's mom and says the FBI just showed up at her house and knocked on her door

because she was hacked. She was hacked a couple days before and someone hacked into her computer system. FBI shows up at the door and asked for her personal information, social security number, driver's license and $50,000 and she goes down to the bank and she gives them all those things. She gave them $50,000 cash. It's not the FBI. So they were just masquerading as FBI? That's not the FBI bro. Yeah, no shit. The FBI didn't show up to your house and ask for $50,000 cash. So they were just masquerading as FBI? That's not the FBI bro.

Yeah, no shit. The FBI didn't show up to your house and ask for $50,000. No, yeah. And they don't show up to your house if you get hacked. They just happened. Did they have like badges? Oh yeah, she says they were fully.

Oh my God. So she gave them 50 grand in cash? She went down to the bank and pulled $50,000 out and then also gave them social security, driver's license information. Wow, what a hustle. I know.

So they had already. That sounds like something that wouldn't work, you know what I mean? But you get the right person. The right person, right? The right person who you, someone who's older, has this kind of cash, gets hacked, right? So she's not already like a tech person.

Oh, she's older. Gets hacked. That sucks, man. That makes me so mad. Older, you know, the older generation, the people in advanced age are prime targets. Yes. Every time. That's me so mad. Older, you know, the older generation, the people in advanced age are prime targets. Yes. Every time.

That's so, and Katrina and I were talking like, I bet it was someone who knew who she was. Probably went to her business, knows that she's older, husband died a few years ago, so not going to have a husband to consult with, show up at her house, all geared up in your FBI stuff. And like the day after you're being hacked. Do they have video footage or anything? Oh, I didn't ask.

I didn't ask if she's got like a ring or something like that to get footage of them. But even then, like, you know, by the way, that's a speaking of that question. That that we have all these cameras. Literally, that's it. They don't do shit. Unless they can connect them to different crimes or they know the face or what? Yeah. Or you have like a very, like a license plate or like a really movies make you make it feel, make you think like they do make you feel that. And I've been in a situation I've had, I've had two of my cars stolen from in front of my house and I have footage of the people stealing it. Yeah. And we're both girlfriends. That's the key. Those are the car keys. Different situations, Sal your situations, different time of my life, bro. This type of stuff doesn't, I don't attract that type of bullshit anymore.

So, but you, I had video footage and I'm like, yeah, we're going to get these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? I got the footage of them. Show the cops. They're like, okay, cool. They take notes and they leave. Never hear back again. So it's-

I would want that for myself. I would think, you know, just so I'd see their face and, uh, but yeah, I know. Yeah. Well, you know what I was doing for the Blue. I was looking at every blue suburban. I could look Everyone. That's what I'm saying, dude. There's some crafty people on the internet, man. You just gotta hire people.

You're right. Have you seen like They're way better than cops. Way better. You put it on Reddit or you put it on some Okay. So where, where I'm at in my life with income, I would probably spend money on something like that now. Now, like 25 years old, I wouldn't even have the resources to do that. If it was my grandma, I would spend, if it was my grandma, I would spend 150,000 to get a 50 grand back.

That's a fair point. If that was my grandma. For real. I'd spend three times as much to get her money back and get them thrown in jail. That's a good point. You know what I'm saying? That's a good point. Peace. But I'm saying? That's a good point. Pieces of crap. But you'd be surprised how little those cameras help.

I know. They really don't do as much as you think they would do. Even if you got a great picture of them, if they're not already in a system already where they can identify them and stuff like that, it's like they don't have a name or anything like that. It's just like, oh cool, we have a very good description of this person.

If they pop up again or they get pulled over, we'll let you know. I told you about my buddy, he got scammed like that, right? He got called, and he's not an older, he was young, he was in his twenties with his staff. And I still, by the way, till this day, if he ever gets a little like, I'm an awesome guy, I'll bring it up just to remind him that he fell for this.

He got called. He's like a good friend. Yeah, dude, he got called by the IRS To me those are the best ones. Oh, bro, because they call the people right around the time. Yeah Oh, you did this with your taxes, whatever we need everybody's fee And they're like we will settle because we found this where it will settle for you But you got to pay us, you know right now or whatever for this fee He went and got cash card. Well, they what do they call the cash card or whatever gave them the numbers over the phone?

a bunch of them like so hey, that's I I almost like a cash card, what do they call it, cash cards or whatever, gave them the numbers over the phone, a bunch of them. So, hey, that's, I almost got, I almost got nailed that same way too. And the only reason why I did was that's what gave it away, was when I had to go get a bunch of, like, wait a second. Why would the IRS, why would they? But other than that, I mean, because here's the thing, like everybody is, you know, everybody has probably done something on their taxes before where they're like worried, like, well, I hope that that's okay. That should be okay. Maybe it's's not maybe it is and then you get a message that says like hey we reassessed your taxes you owe

16,000 right now if you don't pay at least 2,500 of it you're gonna get penalties and you're like oh shit I better send that over right now and it just sounds realistic and I bet they're so successful when they get that and but until you ask for like a Visa card, that should be the giveaway. So someone comes up to your house with badges at the FBI. What do you do? I mean... Tell them to F all. I mean, what do you do? I want to see it.

That's what they probably did though. I know, but think about that at her defense. You know what I'm saying? And she just got hacked. So the day before, she's like freaking out, I got hacked. And then all of a sudden the FBI shows up and goes like, hey, we know you got hacked. So they did before she's like freaking out, I got hacked. And then all of a sudden the FBI shows up and goes like, hey, we know you got hacked. So they did the hacking too? Yes. Oh, wow.

That's why it was like an elaborate plan. How smart is that though? They hack her, so she's already- See, I probably would have gotten fallen for it up until the money. Up until the, wait a minute, why do I gotta give you cash? Right. That doesn't make any sense.

That's, you know what that is? That's probably just greed. They probably go, give me your driver's license, social security number, and you willingly do this. Let's see how hard we can push her. Yeah, and then. That's, you know what that is? That's probably just greed. They probably go, give me your driver's license, social security number, and you willingly do this. Let's see how hard we can push her. Yeah, and then they go like, you know what, here's the deal, it's gonna cost us this much to get this done, and then they probably did

something like that to get that, because if just her giving her driver's license and her social security would have been really bad news, you know, from someone who already hacked her, because that means they probably already got access to her bank accounts, and if they get their... All they need is that. Yeah, all they need that, and then it's game on, they can get into everything. I had another client who was hacked her, because that means they're probably already got access to her bank accounts. All they need is that.

Yeah, all they need that and then it's game on, they can get into everything. I had another client who was older who his computer was kind of glitching and then he got a phone call from Microsoft. Oh, we're going to get on, we're going to fix it, give us access to your desktop. Gave them access virtually and then they went in and just took money from his account and did all that stuff. You know the other one that's happened to me before is where they buy things and they ship it to your house and then they just take it off your front porch. I came home one time and I had it. Why would they do that?

It's because they don't want to get it. So yeah, so it doesn't go to their address, nothing ties to them. So they steal your credit card online, then they ship it to your house because it's normally attached to your credit card. So that wasn't your double-headed dildo? No, no, it wasn't, no.

There was some, I don't know if it was tied to like eBay or wherever, but there was like some automated response, like some hacker figured out. So if you bought something, they would like notify you, oh, you know, this was a fraudulent purchase or whatever, but it was like the hacker that was like sending out that message and then be like, can you check your bank accounts? And then they would literally like clone your banks like homepage. Yeah. So it looked totally legit. And then you write your banking house? And then they would literally clone your bank's homepage. So it looked totally legit. And then you would write your stuff in,

and then they would get it that way, and just rip and steal. That's a text. That's a popular text scam they do. And the banks will tell you, we'll never text you to log into your stuff like that. And that's a total scam that they will send you your text. I know a lot of people are still falling for that.

I got freaked out. The thing that freaked me out the most was this recently how people some people have been getting Phone calls from oh, yeah, and it's their kids voice or someone they know help dad. I need help Crazy that yeah, dude, it's just like Lack of morals completely right living to do that, it's like that's so, to evil to me, I don't know. It's like mimicking somebody's voice and then like, you know, praying off of them. You gotta be such a bad person to sit around

to do that, dude. Crazy, yeah. So, so awful. And a coward on top of it. No, yeah. You're not even stealing it like a person with, you know, a little bit of bravery. I know, dude.

You're on the phone like a little way, you know? Like, come on. Oh, man. Anyway, I gotta tell you, did you guys, did your kids do this, Justin, when you were little? Maybe Max does this now, but my kid will decide to hide. He'll just run away and hide. And then he can't find him.

Is this a thing? He just started doing this. I mean, the dude I'm seeing. You got yourself a rebel, bro. Yeah, he's unique and special. Bro, he'll be doing something and he'll be on the couch. He'll be on the couch. Does your kid ever light your shit on fire?

Like he just gets a match and he starts burning fire. I didn't even fight him until the next day. No bro. I hear this, but I hear little footsteps. I'm like, ah, and I go look for him. And I call him out, call his name out, he doesn't answer. I'm like, damn, I gotta look for him. So I come up with ways of getting him to come out.

Like, oh, you don't wanna play with this toy? You know? You know? Oh, I found this lollipop, is this yours? See, but then I gotta give him a lollipop. I've been doing that. So I'm trying to figure out ways that he did it again this morning, man.

He just took off and I couldn't find him. And I try not to panic, because I'm like, well, he's here somewhere. Yeah. So I tried to wait it out. It worked, I waited him out for a little bit and it didn't work. That's funny.

Pa-pa, what are you doing? Oh my God, dude. Oh my God, dude. He's a handful, bro. You guys are you, papa, what are you doing? Oh my God, dude. Oh my God, dude. He's a handful, bro. You guys, you're kidding, do that. No, no, no, no, Max. Now Max did play good hide and seek. So when we play hide and seek, he is patient

and he will hide and stay quiet for a while. So he's good about that. But he'll get scared after a while. So he won't stay hidden for long. He can hide for a while, but if I decided I'm just not gonna come find him, he'll come out. I told him, I was, he always tell him stories. He always hide for a while, but if I decided I'm just not gonna come find him, he'll come out. I told him, I was, he always tells me stories.

He always wants me to tell him stories, so I pull from all kinds of different memories or I'll make one up. So I started with mythology stories, and I told him this story. You guys remember the movie Clash of the Titans, the original one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Great movie, right? Did you watch that one? I don't think I've seen that one. Gold Owl. I think it was a long time ago you brought this up. It's so good, but anyway, there's a scene where Perseus has to kill Medusa and use her head to make the Kraken turn to stone. He's got to fight this big sea monster. Only way to do it is to kill him. So I tell him the whole story of how he got to Medusa and he's like well how did he not get turned to stone? He used his shield as a mirror so I'm

talking about how he's walking backwards and using the shield. Anyway, later on that day, he got one of our pots, one of the lids that's kind of shiny, and I see him walking backwards with it like this. So what are you doing? He's like, I'm like Perseus. I'm gonna fight Medusa. Like, oh, this is hilarious. That is funny.

I tell you guys that, so I told you, I've shared about Kuman, right, that Max has been doing that. And we did it first for reading, and it had a lot of success in that. And then the teacher recommended it like, you know, I know he's really good at math, but let's see what we can do with pushing him and stuff like that since he likes it.

And he always prefers to do that because he likes it. So we're like, okay. Let's go with it. Yeah, go with it, right? And just because he's ahead in it and stuff like that doesn't mean, so the other day, Katrina's doing this, hilarious, right? And I'm sitting on the couch and he's between me

and then they're sitting there and they're doing this. And one of the exercises, it'll be like, you know, there'll be like 26 items. And so it's teaching him to count that high and he's got to count the numbers. And then he has to tell her what it is and then he has to trace the number. That's kind of like how it works.

And he didn't really want to do it. And Katrina is like, come on, we gotta do Kuman. And part of our deal is like, before he gets to do certain things, like we have to get schoolwork done and we're training him to do this thing. It's like, okay, well, you don't have. And part of our deal is before he gets to do certain things, we have to get schoolwork done. We're training him to do this thing. It's like, OK, well, you don't have to do it. We tell him he doesn't have to.

But then we don't get to do whatever thing is that we want to do it. OK, so then he'll begrudgingly sometimes he'll do it. And so he's sitting down to do it. And she pulls up the first training screen. And you could tell he's just not in the mood to do it. And she's like, OK, Max, what is it? And so that he was 26.

And she's just like, Max, you need to count the numbers. And I look and I go, honey, that's 26. And she's like, how did you count that 20? And so he can, like he's so good with, because of the number of blocks things, number blocks teaches you how to- Is he looking at them like picture wise? Yes, yes.

And they row them in five. So he goes five, 10, 15, 20, 25, and then 26. And then he knew there's one on the next row. So he knew right away it was 26. That's talent. I know. And she's like, she got mad. And then I go, honey, he's counting them.

Honey, you're wrong. Yeah. I said, that is 26. And then she's like counting it. And she figures it out. And she's like, how did you do that? I'm like, that's because he's, what do you mean, how is he doing?

He's just going five, 10, 15, 20, 25, and then he adds one. I'm like, she's like, oh my god. She goes, I wouldn't even have done that. I would have counted each one. That's so great. Yeah, I said, no, he's doing them in fives. And I remember when he did number blocks, that TV show, they would teach him how to, he would count to 200 by fives,

5, 10, 15, 20, 25. So they've already taught him, and then they show, and there's visuals. So he knows how to look at something and see it's paired in fives. And so he does the math really quick. But so it was really funny because she was really annoyed already

because he wasn't listening. And then obviously he can't get mad at him. He's doing it hella fast. He's right. Yeah, I got this. Yeah, yeah. Did he ever go through a phase of like lying? Does he do that or has he done that?

No, no, no. Yeah, no, we haven't had anything like that. My kid did just lying. I know, right? That's right, sometimes I feel bad about telling stories of them because I'm like the kid is like, you know, my thing is this, I got the other side, right? He's very timid and sensitive and very soft spoken

and emotional, like he can get like really easy discourage, right, and like that, so that's the stuff that what we struggle with, right? Like he doesn't do well with things that he's not good at or that he's challenged with. Like he can get emotional. Other kids can make him feel, like can make him cry really easy.

And so that's definitely going to be my thing, right? He's like mental toughness and perseverance and like not quitting. And those are the things that I am challenged with. The other stuff, dude, the kid doesn't talk back. He's never thrown a tantrum. He doesn't get loud. He doesn't like, none and those are the things that I am challenged with. The other stuff, dude, the kid doesn't talk back, he's never thrown a tantrum, he doesn't get loud, he doesn't like, none of those things. Like all those things are great but then I have the other side. I know, I realize he's really sweet, really loving, you know, very very loving kid but he's also just, he'll like, she'll just lie.

Like, like he does this thing where he goes to the bathroom, he wants privacy, he's like, I want privacy. So you walk out, close the door and and then he'll say, okay, I'm done, you gotta go in there. And every single time, if we forget the toilet paper roll on the, whatever, the dispenser. And does it all right? All of it. It's on the floor, every time.

And so it's, we know now, take it off, right? But if you forget, you go in there and you see it on the floor. And I'll be like, what happened? And you're like, he'll just lie. I'll be like, I don't know, I don't know what happened. He just did his stuff. Or he'll do something to his sister, what happened? I just lie. I'll be like, I don't know. I don't know what happened. He just did it himself. Or he'll do something to his sister.

What happened? I don't know, she just fell. I don't know. And so Jessica encourages me, she goes, don't try to confront him on the lie because it's age appropriate and what am I gonna get out of him? Like, oh, you lied.

So he'll say, oh, she just fell, but that's so weird. I'll pick her up. Oh, that's weird, it fell by itself. So it's like, at some point, dude, I'm gonna tell. Yeah, at what point, so what's her- Oh, really? Look at the camera.

What's her theory on what point do you point out that, son, that's a lie, you're lying to dad? Yeah, when they start to get a little older, it's age appropriate for the lie, and also, at some point, and there have been times when you let him have the lie and then he's honest. Actually, this happened, you know, type of deal. Cause otherwise you get into this like, no, tell me the truth. Right. Right. And then what is he going to do? No, I didn't do it or he's afraid or fearful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But little, little, God, so funny.

Yeah. I was trying to think. Yeah. The biggest challenges I've always had is like the bullheaded, like I, especially with Everett, it's just like an immovable object. You know, if he has something stuck in his mind and a certain thing, it's like to convince him otherwise is like, it's just moot. Like you're not going to win. Like we've had a point where- It turns into a power struggle. It's power struggle and it's like, and he'll hold out. Where do you get that from? I don't know. It's probably from my wife.

No, it's me, it's me. That's gotta be, I mean, to me, I would think that has to be one of the hardest things is because you see yourself. It's very hard, yeah, it's very hard. You can only get so mad when you're looking at a mirror, right? Yeah, yeah, and that's the thing is if,

I've had to really work on my communication and like how to like, uh, you know, portray, like explain the why, like that's really like, he needs that. If you can't really articulate the why of like, I need you to do it this way, or this is, this is not good for you because, and then X, Y, Z, and I have to like go through this long process of explaining all the reasons for him to then finally kind of soften up to the idea. But then it has to be his idea. So then you gotta back off, and then you gotta give him space. This is the hardest part for my wife,

because she's just like, wants to just dig into it. And I'm like, he needs to process all that, take that time to now realize, I have to change this part of what I'm doing because of everything that you guys told me. And then you have to let it grow and become a new behavior. But it's like, dude, sometimes you just don't have the patience. Yeah. But I mean, I imagine that's a really good exercise for you then, because, you know, and this is an area that I come, I'm always trying to stay on top of this, challenge myself.

You know, Max is relatively easy. He's not like stubborn or like hard-headed about stuff like that. But I've always told myself, like, I never want to default to because Dad told you. Or just, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And so if he questions or challenge, why?

Why do I have to put my seat belt on? Why do I got to do this? Like, OK, well, let me explain. You know, if you don just, you know what I'm saying? And so if he questions or challenge, why, why do I have to put my seatbelt on? Why do I gotta do this? Like, okay, well, let me explain, you know, if you don't, we get an accident, you go fight through the windshield and you die. So that's why we have to put this on. Oh, is it?

No, I'm like straight dude. Adam is like so honest. I am, I'm so honest. Here's a picture of what happened. So that's Katrina's like, Katrina's like, whoa dude, why you say that? Like he asked me, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna be honest with him

and tell him that's how it is. Like he ain't gonna fuck around and ask that no more, no? So he's like this now, he gets in the car. He's like, someday we're gonna die? Ah! Did I ever tell you when I traumatized my oldest? Uh-uh. He wouldn't let us clip his toenails.

He just didn't like his feet to be touched or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So I was getting so frustrated because I'd have to hold him to, you know, do the thing and he'd cry. So I said, come here, I wanna show you something. I went on the internet and I pulled up eight-round toenails. Oh, gross.

Pictures and I showed him. Until this day, he's like, dude, I used to have that traumatized one. Oh my God. Because he was little when he was a terrible dad. But I do think, don't you think that's a lot of parents, I mean, I know my parents did that, where they, I mean, I just had to do it because mom and dad said so.

Just because they said so, and this is the power dynamic and we we rule the roost, and you're going to be kicked out of the house. It was always, you're getting kicked out of the house if you don't abide by XYZ all the time. Wow. And I just didn't, you know, it's just, I'm trying to do it differently in that regard. Right.

But yeah, it's actually, I just remembered something kind of funny with Everett. So my sister-in-law was over with Courtney and they were talking to him. He's very, I guess like a little bit esoteric. I have very deep conversations with Everett and I've talked about this. So he thinks about things in a very interesting way. But they're talking and like he's had a little bit of sex education, but not like, he doesn't know like, you know, really how it all works.

Yeah, you know, he thinks he has an idea, he's an older brother and like, he knows terms, but like, you know, you put the math together and it's not really, it doesn't add up. Which is great, I love him, like let's keep this innocence, you know, going. But so they were making a joke because like we have all these peaches in our backyard and There's they had to like go

Gather them and had people over and she was over there to kind of like help like pick these peaches off and they made some Joke is like the as they're driving they're talking about it and it was that song from like Steve Miller, like, uh, you shake, shake your peaches, uh, there was some line in there about that and he's referring to, you know, sex in some regard, right. And so, uh, they, they both kind of laughed about it in there talking about this innuendo and, and Everett was like, you know, I'm trying to figure out what you guys are laughing about. I know it's probably some kind of metaphor and he's like,

and it probably has to do with like, you know, men and women and something regards to sex. And they were just like, I didn't know how to respond to that. It was like, such like, you know, know how to respond to that. It was like such like, uh, you know, like he's trying to like put it all together, like, and literally calls it out. Yeah. They're just like, uh, no, it's just a song. I love it when they do. What does that say up there, Doug? You're the cutest thing ever. Did see. I really love your peaches. I want to shake. She's going to shake your tree. Yeah. Right. Yeah they kept it a little you know, that was a little more hidden Yeah, well, I remember when my parents I got in trouble cuz I was well

How what grade is ever it in I was in fourth grade when this happened third or fourth grade? No, he's going into sixth. Oh, so he's even older so I was in like fourth or fifth grade and our third or fourth grade and I and Who it was who wrote the song, Knockin' Boots? Oh, that's R. Kelly. No, no, no, no, before R. Kelly, like this, like Candyman, Candyman, Knockin' Boots. Was he first?

Yeah, Ooh Boy, I Love You So, Never Ever Gonna Let You Go, Once I Get My Hands On You, that song. And my parents like freaked out because it's like, Knockin' Boots is referring to them having sex. And it was like, and that's like so not even that I think it's even more PC and I didn't know I'm a right walking around house singing it. So What are you singing? Yeah, we had like a colored me bad. I want to sex you up. That was like an artistic screen. Yeah

That was definitely a little more singing that I've heard from my parents I'm happy about that, you know, you were telling me about I was thinking about the whole lying thing, you know here I'll give you an example of changing my son's behavior, helping him in a way that most people might not realize. So he's got his younger sister is only a year and a half younger than him. And sometimes she gets on his nerves, takes his toys, he, you know, fires back, whatever. But rather than hammering him about it, Jessica's done a really good job of this. She'll say, tell me first if she does anything, and then she jumps on it when he does.

So if he's like, Dolly is doing this, she'll jump on it, and that's his toy, that's not yours, or whatever. Because of that, he's more likely now to share and more likely to be kind. Because he feels backed up. Yeah, he feels backed up. He feels backed up.

To defend himself. Because she can be a little turkey to you, dude. She's funny. I caught her the other day, they were the couch together and I looked over and sure enough She decided to lay down and just kick him with her feet Just mess with him and she's trying to get a reaction. He's being real cool. Yeah, and I was like, oh man I mean, it's so interesting watching cuz my godson and goddaughter are like yours and They're a little bit ahead of you

And so and the daughter is the real tear she cuz the his their son was like that just like a little bit ahead of you. And so, and the daughter is the real tear. She, cause his, their son was like that, just like Aurelius and some of that. And then the daughter has got every bit of it sent a video to me like a couple of nights ago and she's got him in the headlock on the couch. You know what I'm saying? She's like two, bro.

She's like two years old. And she's like wrapping up her older, her older five-year-old brother in the headlock and like wrestling him. I'm like, oh my God. And she's a daredevil dude, just bombing off the slide her older five-year-old brother in the headlock and like wrestled him. I'm like, oh my god. And she's a daredevil, dude, just bombing off the slide. And like she'll run to the pool and just jump.

She can't even swim, dude. Just jump in the pool. Oh, she is insane, dude. Oh, yeah. No, she's- I love it when girls are like that. I know. It's so cool to see her like that.

She's a spitfire, dude. But I mean, she's too. She just will bolt on you. Like, she wants to go do something. She obsessed with water so like if you pull her out of the pool or it's time to stop after it's been six hours in the pool oh yeah she'll chill you said they get a leash for her like my brother has a leash for his brother it's like a backpack Oh my God, he used to make fun of people like that. Listen, this kid, this kid doesn't- It's probably like necessary, right?

You have to, you have to. I mean, I get it, when you have a kid like that, it just looks so bad. Listen, he doesn't know how to walk, all he does is run, and he runs to whatever he wants. So my brother's like, I have to, and I know my nephew, he's, and he's happy the whole time he's doing it.

We had a big family party, and all of a sudden, all of a sudden our sprinklers are, I'm like what's going on? I run over there and of course he's back there turning the dials and I'm like no, Angelo you can't do that and he laughs, runs away, as soon as I move away from there, he runs back laughing the whole time. Like you don't like yet that you can't do this.

Yeah, so my brother's gotta keep a leash on him. It's funny. I was gonna tell you guys, we just talked with Dr. Cabral, and this will be an episode that we'll release later on. We were talking about cortisol, and he said it would be a good idea for me to cold plunge first thing in the morning.

Yeah, you and Justin, not me and Doug. No, no, so I think I'm gonna do it. I think I'm gonna get a cold plunge from my house. I've been toying with the idea, mainly because, boy, getting in freezing water for me is so challenging. Now explain to our audience why you two are better candidates and not so much Doug and I.

So because of our cortisol tests, my cortisol probably is more appropriate, right? Raises in the morning, comes down in the evening, so it's okay for me to get an extra boost of cortisol in the morning to give me more energy or that little bit of a stress response. Don't worry about cortisol ladies and gentlemen, by the way, you need to have cortisol in the morning. If your cortisol is dysfunctional, it means you probably should reduce your stress. And cold plunging, the reason why there's so many

health benefits like improved energy, reduced inflammation. It's a stress. Converting white fat to brown fat so it's more thermogenic, all these great benefits, it's a hormetic response. It's a little bit of a stress on the body, not unlike exercise. If your stress is already at that limit, you probably don't want a cold plunge. If you're feeling like I could add something to really take things to another level, then I think I'm going to do it. But if you're feeling like I could add something to really take things to another level, then- Well, I just- But I think I'm gonna do it.

Anecdotally, so when I was at Park City and they had the cold plunge there, it was like a family thing. We just like, we're like, you know what, we're gonna do, well, besides Ethan, not to throw him onto the bus, but he didn't do it. But yeah, we all did the cold plunge first thing in the morning. It was just so exhilarating. it was just like, I am always looking for that with the caffeine version of it. And it's, I just don't have that. I don't produce that naturally in the morning. And so this is one of those things I was asking them because like, sometimes I guess, like you're just not producing enough cortisol. I think somewhere in the middle of the day is where I'm at like my peak and then it's kind of tapers off. So I'm not as bad about like sleep at night,

but honestly that first introduction to the day in the morning is so rough for me. And it just has been that way for so long. I need some other introduction of something to help with that exercise caffeine. I'm thinking about doing it. So I'll get myself a plunge for my house, get in there and then go gym.

So I'll get that pre-workout effect. See, I would love for you to do it, because you're so consistent with your training and your workout the morning. Just to see the difference. Yeah, and I have loved plunging before working out. I think it's the best. I know.

I think it craps on any pre-workout that I've ever had. That's how effective that feeling is, going into workout. And there's something about too, like the lifting weights weights and it takes a while for your body to warm up if you do that plunge. And so you stay cool for like the first half of your workout. So you're not even like, you know, hot and overheating until midway. And so the lifting weights from that is just... Oh, performance wise, I always remember that one study with the gloves where they put their hands in these cold gloves.

Crazy. Like, and the recovery was insane. Well, no, the strength gain. Strength gain. In one sec. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That too. It wasn't like they worked out over,

it was like, oh, you did a max of 30? Here, put this thing on that cools down your blood. Temperature plays such a huge factor. Try it again, 70. It's insane. That was our first introduction to Huberman. Huberman did that. Talked about that. That's a huge factor. Try it again, 70. It's insane. That was our first introduction to Huberman. Huberman did that. Talked about that.

That was him who did that, who tested that. Yeah, he sent some gems. With somebody, and I remember that was our first introduction to him when he first was doing that research, and we were all like, get out of here. That can't be real. I needed to do it. They had some stat that was like,

the person did a ridiculous amount more bodyweight dips. I can't remember. I know that's right. It was a body weight dip. Yes, it was bodyweight dips and it was it was just not believable. It was so crazy when they went from oh they could do 20 or 25. It was like quadruple. Yes, it was like it wasn't like 10% increase. Yes, it was like it was like hundreds of percent. Yes, it was incredible. So yeah, I saw and you're so consistent with everything. I should probably do it especially especially cause I like hot. I don't know, I love sauna, I love steam. It's pleasurable.

I'll go in there and whatever cold. I hate cold. See, but I would love to hear your, you go in to the plunge first, get your workout and then do your sauna afterwards. Like that has to be like the ultimate like setup for you. And then hit it. You know who would like it?

My three year old would love it. He loves cold, bro. He won't let me give him a normal bath. He still likes cold too. Listen, this is so weird. My daughter's the same way, my youngest. Interesting. I don't understand what it is.

I'll give them a bath and I'll make the water look warm. She'll cry, ah, he doesn't wanna go. I have to put cold water on and make it basically almost cold. If I made it cold, he'd probably like it even more. I know. That's interesting. Weird. That is weird. So strange. I don't get it. So I have a shout out. I want to shout out, I mentioned her in the show, Dr. Lauren. So Dr. Lauren Fitz, Fritz or Fitz, let me look what her page is. She is, let me make sure I'm pretty sure it's Dr. Lauren. Yeah, Dr. Lauren Fitz. So Lauren is L-A-U-R-E-N. So Dr. Lauren Fitz, all one word.

She's an MD. She's gonna be inside our GLP-1 group, but if you don't follow her, she puts out incredible content already. She's been following Mind Pump for a long time and really excited to bring her in the forum and help with the admin side of things with us. But she's a great follow,

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are you supposed to have the shoulders down and back in a pack position or let the scapula move freely? How much upper trap activation should be present? There's actually a lot of debate around this. There is, yeah, which is quite interesting. I, it depends on who I'm working with. If there are a lot of neck tightness in the individual shoulder type issues,

I'll train them to be able to press in a packed position. That being said, if you've got good shoulder health and you're pressing, I don't think you need to think about this, I think you should press the weight up and support it, but it is good to learn. As long as you're maintaining tension. Yes, it is good to learn to be able to do this. It is good to be able to separate elevating the scapula

with pressing overhead. I do think it's a good thing to learn and train a little bit, but I mean, they're both not wrong. I don't think there should be any controversy around this. I think it is literally that simple. I think if you have a client who does not have issues here, that doesn't have this like excessively rounded forward shoulders and they're shrugging or complaining of neck pain and stress all the

time, if they got overall good posture, good mobility, they can retract, they can move their scapula around well and we're in a pressing motion like that and there's movement. I mean, the traps are a stabilizer in that, there's no movement. I mean, the traps are a stabilizer in that. There's no way of getting around. The traps are going to work, right? So it's completely normal for them to be incorporated in the movement. Now, they are complaining of like, oh, when I do this,

all I do is feel it in my traps. Like, OK, well, then maybe there's some coaching there. But if there's no complaint and they can move freely in the trap area and their shoulder girdle. I mean, I'm totally okay with movement there. It's if and only if I have a client that we're concerned about that, am I going to put a lot of emphasis on that? Yeah, the only kind of caveat I guess I would add is that if now we're

in an overhead position, I'm holding it for a substantial amount of time, or I'm walking with it, I'm gonna prefer a packed shoulder in that situation, and that's mainly just- It's anchored? Yeah, just because it's anchored, and you can control that a lot more effectively. But in terms of overall reps,

and allowing that full range of motion and you have good stability and mobility and support, then I have no issues. Yeah, so I have a specific example of when I encourage somebody to pack. My wife probably has a herniated disc somewhere in her cervical spine. We've identified this because she'll, just from the pain and some previous injury when she was younger. And so what I'll have her do, or let me back up,

when she does overhead presses, if she's not careful, it can aggravate that area. So what I'll have her do is overhead holds with a packed shoulder. And why? Because it kind of creates a little bit of traction in the neck. Otherwise you start to get the shrugging as you press motion, the head tips back a little bit and you start to get that pinching in the, in the,

in the cervical spine. So I have her elongate with the packed shoulder, hold her arm up above her head, and then it becomes correctional. It actually takes pain away rather than contributing pain. Now, when I would train beginners, uh, I didn't focus on this unless I noticed something like that.

You know, it's like, I got neck tightness, and then I would stand behind them and help them separate the two movements so that we could press up while depressing the scapula. And I do think that's an important thing to be able to do. I think it's good to be able to isolate or separate those movements. And then when you're getting strong and you feel good,

like then it's okay. You know what it kind of reminds me of? It kind of reminds me of how we all coach a seated row. or separate those movements. And then when you're getting strong and you feel good, then it's okay. You know what it kind of reminds me of? It kind of reminds me of how we all coach seated row. Yeah. Right, so the initial movement on teaching someone seated row, I might keep them in this kind of fixed retract position

to get the understanding of the movement. Never allowing protraction. Right, never allowing protraction to them. I'm like, real fix, okay, we get that down, we understand that, we've got no issues with that. Okay, now let me show you how to take that all, roll the shoulders forward and pull like and take them through full range of motion. So, you know, it's dependent on the client, right? On if I'm going to stress that as a coach and a trainer and this again is what makes you have a

job, right? Is the ability to decipher whether this is a client that we need to put a lot of emphasis on the packing of the shoulder and this perfect strict form, or is this somebody who doesn't have any issues there and they have good range of motion, good control of the scapula, it's like, hey, that's fine. Go ahead, fully extend and come all the way down. In fact, I don't even bring it up, it's press. That's right. I'm not even going to worry about it. up with this press. That's right. I'm not even going to worry about it. Next question is from Tina Baccarrella CPT. I tend to attract older clients as a personal trainer. I love helping them reverse the aging process. However, what are the best ways to approach

severe upper cross syndrome? What seems to be the issue I am addressing the most? Oh, that seems to be the issue I'm addressing the most. Yeah. Doug, if you wouldn't mind looking up the official description of upper cross syndrome. So for people listening, don't know what that is. Basically your shoulders come forward. Yeah, protracted shoulder girdle. And your head tends to come forward. That's what it is.

So I'm exaggerating right now if I were, you know, most people look the way I'm doing it. We call this kind of like shrimp posture. Yes. And so what you got to understand about these deviations from what would be considered ideal, quote unquote, posture, I say quote because there is no perfect ideal, but what would be considered moving away from ideal.

The reason why these exist is because your body has identified some kind of imbalance, some kind of weakness or instability. What does it say there? Common condition that causes an imbalance in the muscles of the neck, shoulders and chest. Well, they don't explain it very well. We did a better job.

Thanks, Webster. Yeah. So your body identifies a tightness or a weakness or an instability and what it does is it moves you in a position to feel safe for you to be in. So although this is not an ideal position and it's causing tension in your neck and maybe some shoulder pain if you reach up above your head too much or limits your movement, your body is deemed this a safer position to be in because when you move outside of it there's instability and so your body's actually

trying to protect you. So it's no different than if my knee was injured my body wouldn't let me bend my knee very much similar to that except it's not necessarily an injury it's just some kind of let me bend my knee very much, similar to that, okay? Except it's not necessarily an injury, it's just some kind of instability. So because that's causing this, to correct it, you have to strengthen whatever is weak, and you have to tell your body, or convince your body essentially,

that it's safe to move outside of this position. Typically with upper cross syndrome syndrome if I can strengthen their ability to pull their shoulder blades back and down right so to retract and depress and if I can strengthen the muscles or the movement I'll say of them to be able to give themselves a double chin if I could do those two things and work and strengthen those then the body will naturally move out of this compensatory pattern of upper cross syndrome. So exercise, what does that look like?

A machine row is my favorite for this because the machine is chest supported. I've done less things for them to worry about. They're going to row back. I typically stand behind them as a trainer and I help them pull their shoulders back and down. If they can't do that, I smash on their traps a little bit, get them the traps to relax a little bit, then we try it again. And we gotta strengthen this down and back.

Strengthen the posterior chain. That's it. And then once we get that stronger, in fact, here's what you'll notice with upper cross syndrome. You'll do three sets of what I said, which by the way, don't go heavy. As soon as you go heavy, your body's like, uh-uh, I'm gonna go back to this safer position

of upper cross syndrome. So you gotta go light enough to where they don't, they don't automatically go to that bad position. Strengthen this down and back retraction of the shoulder blades. You'll notice within three sets, they'll stand up and there'll be some alleviation of it. You'll notice the posture automatically looks better.

Right off the gates. In other words, it's not permanent. Yeah, first of all, this is extremely common. This is actually common even with younger people. It's less common that someone doesn't have this. Yeah, exactly. It's especially in advanced age. Getting someone older who doesn't have upper cross

syndrome is really, really rare. So there's some staple moves. I see it in a row. I think we all agree is the staple strength building. I love prone cobras on the floor. I love prone cobras on the floor. I love prone cobras on the stability ball. I love taking, progressing that exercise to where I have like a rubber band

and they get in that prone cobra position and then they kind of like row to where they're pulling their shoulder blades back and down to add a little bit of strength, but then just kind of body weight component. So I'm gonna do a lot of things like that that are strengthening those muscles. Basically, the anterior delt, the pectoris major,

those muscles are overactive, short and tight. And the ones in the back are like we're less connected to. So I want to get better connected to those. I want to get there weaker. I want to get them stronger. And that's what's going to pull that posture back into. Doing our wall tests. Yeah, zone one.

Repeatedly. Yeah, like that honestly, as much as you possibly can have them do it throughout the day, it's like it's just, you have to sort of like retrain the body that this is the go-to. This is the posture that we want to maintain and withstain. So that's one of those. It's an easy

thing to do. You just get up against the wall and you just press your whole body into it with, you know, those specific techniques in mind. If this trainer again, is another trainer who doesn't own Prime, I'm gonna be super mad at you because you definitely, Prime and Prime Pro is probably what you should live in. If you're training advanced age clients, probably 80% of your programming should come from Prime and Prime Pro. Zone one test that we have in Prime is a perfect way for you to either photograph or video the client on day one to show them how poorly they are, their inability.

Progression and relief. Listen, listen, people need to understand this, that you can solve, you can greatly solve upper cross syndrome in a relatively short period of time. In a six month period of time, I've had clients, you wouldn't even believe the difference that it made in the- Oh yeah, radical. Radical difference, because this is all controlled by the central nervous system.

This is all muscle, some being tightened, others being loosened. Someone might be wondering, how does this happen? If you hold your body in a position for prolonged periods of time, your body builds strength in that position and it loses strength outside of that position and what ends up happening is that position that you're always in becomes a new default position. This is where your body feels safest even if it's less than ideal. Uppercross syndrome is from sitting down long periods of time, looking down at your phone for long periods of time, working on a computer

long periods of time. Your body literally morphs and shapes into those positions and then moving outside of that, it doesn't feel safe. One more thing, one other thing I used to like to do with these people, it's kind of hard to explain in the podcast but I'll demonstrate it as well. I would have them place their hands behind their head and place their elbows on a barbell and lean forward and press their thoracic spine through

and open up their chest. This would be a great pre-row movement that I would have them do. They would press the thoracic spine through, open things up, then we would do rows. And I'm telling you, miraculous differences in upper cross syndrome with proper exercise. Next question is from Becca Miller.

My arms carry a lot of fat. I live, uh, so does Justin's. Let me, oh, I lost it says, uh, I lost it's different. He's got fat steps, fat arms. Okay. Let me finish this question. I've lost 15 pounds and 23 inches overall, six in my waist, but haven't lost any inches in my arms.

Is there anything I can do to shrink my arms? Keep getting leaner. Yeah. Your body, our fat storage patterns. You need to you. And somewhat are influenced somewhat by lifestyle hormones. So people who say, oh, hormones that affect that bullshit,

you take a man and you crush his testosterone, put it on estrogen, watch what happens to his fat storage, right? Yeah. So there is some influence there but the point is your body, you don't spot reduce. Your body burns body fat from areas that it's going to want to. Typically the first place you

put it on is the last place you lose it. And so we have these predispositions for the most part. Women tend to store more on their arms than men. Men tend to store more on their bellies than women. Women tend to store more in their hips and thighs. And men don't really store any in their upper chest. Women obviously have breasts.

So this is all, and you can't really pick from where your body burns body fat. So if you have an area that's quote unquote stubborn, typically you just have to get lean enough to where your body taps in that and also be healthy because hormone imbalance and stuff can cause interesting fat storage patterns. And okay so a hundred percent agree and put a lot of emphasis on building muscle. This is a case of the person who's trying to lose, lose inches on my legs, lose inches on my arms and they're in the lose lose lose mindset. Low calorie, burn, burn, burn, they're going that way. And they're not

happy with, let's say, body fat on their arms like that. A lot of times they don't even realize they're making it more difficult for themselves too, by not being in like a reverse diet and actually trying to build muscle for a while. I've seen clients like this too, make a mistake of, I don't want to train my arms because they're already fat, they're already big, I don't want them to be any bigger. And so they avoid arm training altogether because they're afraid of getting bigger arms and they're living in a calorie deficit just trying to burn. Someone like this, and this may be really hard to wrap your brain around, would be very beneficial to go into a reverse diet and actually train your arms to build.

Sure. And understand that the same size arms, muscular versus fat, looks totally different. Yeah. And muscle sits on your body different than body fat does. And so don't shy away from training arms. You're training your arms hard and trying to build muscle in your arms. And also don't shy away from reverse dieting

and actually trying to build muscle. Because if all you're doing is lifting weights and you're always in a calorie deficit, well then a lot of times what happens, yeah you shrink down, you lose some weight in the waist, but you're also not building any muscle. You're just losing, you're just losing pounds and they're coming off and so you still, you have a soft look to your body. And so when I get a complaint like this from a client, a lot of times I'd have to convince them that and say, hey, that's because we're not on a muscle building program right now.

You're on a burn, burn, burn program, and you just want to lose and get smaller. But what we'd really benefit from is bumping our calories for a little while and actually going and building muscle. And even though that might scare you to see the scale go up five pounds, it's going to shape your body differently, and you're going to be happier with the way that looks. Next question is from Jamilia 144. What is your favorite exercise that

gets weird looks in the gym and is super effective and or underrated? I have one. I'm going to steal yours. What? Because I think it's something that I didn't ever do until we all met and it definitely gets weird looks and I definitely think it's super underrated and that is sissy squats. Such a good movement and for a lot of different reasons not just because it targets the quads incredibly and I think it's more effective than even a leg extension because of range of motion reasons but also what in order to perform it with really good form, it requires good hip, good ankle mobility, also good core

strength, the ability to activate your glutes and keep them engaged as you hinge down. And so the technique of being able to perform it requires a lot of good communication to your muscles that I think are very favorable and beneficial. Plus they are better than leg extensions and you're getting if you're trying to train quads. So I think it's a very underrated unique exercise. You rarely see anybody doing. You look silly when you do it and people look at you weird but is a great banger. You know it's interesting I used to have a lot of

exercise like this but now that I work out in a commercial gym, and it's a UFC gym, so it skews more towards people who are serious, right? I see almost every exercise that used to get weird looks. I see people doing Zotman curls, I see people doing Zurcher squats. I mean, when I was working out in the 90s, in the late 90s, early 2000s, deadlifts got me weird looks.

I used to deadlift, and I would pull, back in those days, I was pulling 400, something times 450 at the most, and I'd lift this big weight and baa, hit the ground. And I was a gym manager. And I would get members that would come up to me and be like, you're gonna hurt your back. You shouldn't be lifting like that. I actually had somebody write corporate.

I got that from a good morning, which is the one that I was gonna say, because I do see those sometimes, but very rare. That's a good one. Yeah, good mornings as well. That's a great one. That's another one that you rarely see in the gym. And that's a, and it's a-

Well, yeah, deadlifts used to piss everybody off. Yeah, because it was just so rare that people would do that. It was just like, you know, it wasn't set up. None of the juniors were set up. So what do you got? What do you got? What is your point? I mean, that's it.

I can't. I don't really do anything that that's super weird today. You suck. You have no under-red exercises? I stole yours. That's why. Just say Matrix Lunge to, you know. No, I don't do this.

Yeah, hey, curtsy squats? When you do curtsy squats? Never have I done a curtsy squat. I can't. I only have the mobility. I do hip thrusts all the time. I don't get funny looks, or maybe I do. You know, um.

Let's say hip thrusts. Yeah, I don't know, it's tough. Like I said, I see almost every exercise. You know what, I don't do this exercise, but if I did, I guarantee people would be like, what, a Jefferson curl. I think that's still the exercise that if you did that today in you'd get a lot of looks.

Most people would be like, no! You're gonna break yourself in half! I mean, if I didn't steal sissy squat, I was gonna say my step up to a balance to a toe touch, which looks like a ballerina move. It looks like a silly kinda, well if you saw a big dude like me doing that, you'd probably be like, this looks kinda weird.

It looks kinda weird. Is he an ice skater? Seeing like a big buff guy. No, I think he was a trainer. Doing an exercise. that, you'd probably be like, this looks kind of weird. It looks kind of weird. Is he an ice skater? Seeing like a big buff guy. No, I think you were a trainer. Doing an exercise. Oh, he's probably a trainer. Yeah, well you would, because you would know, because you get it, right?

But I think that one's a little unique to do that, and I think that's a great exercise. So the exercise you've heard me say on the podcast before that if there's a movement, I used to tell all my older clients, like, hey, I want you to always be able to do this. Don't, if there's one thing that we just, you always practice, don't lose this skill because the ability to step up like that, to stabilize like that, to hinge at the hips like that, I'm balancing through the

whole movement is such a good skill to maintain for your whole life. I used to do like crawling patterns in like gold's gym just as a fuck you back Back like 15 years ago. Yeah, for all the bro. All the dude's like crawling. All the dude shit. Just crawling across the floor.

Just crawling. Bodybuilding gym. Yeah. It would be so many looks, dude. I'd still give you looks. Oh, yeah. I waited for somebody to say something, too. Go outside, guy.

I wouldn't say anything. I would just look. You weren't looking. I would have weirded. What if he looks at me, I look away, huh? I'm not looking at him. In your five finger shoes? Yeah.

Or barefoot. Making noise. That's right. They were wearing fingerless gloves, so they didn't have much to say. There's not a lot of exercises, I think, these days. I mean, not that's super underrated, right? Because there's a lot of ridiculous stuff.

In fact, to your point, as a trainer. I use trainer I used to do this a lot I don't do that definitely don't do this anymore I would do silly ridiculous exercises to get the attention of people to get them to ask me questions so I can present to why it's so amazing. Give us an example. What would be a crazy one? A kneeling on a stability ball tricep push down on the cable machine. Exactly. Right? Everybody laughing. With another douchebag. It's stupid.

No, I'm laughing because I probably did that because I was like, you're understudy. Yeah. It's just like, it's brilliant. It's a brilliant movie. Yeah. I've lost it on that before, by the way. Oh, it just fails? Oh, on that before, by the way. Oh, it just failed? Oh, no, no, no, no. Talk about embarrassing with that. So yeah, I've done some.

You know, I remember doing push-ups, where I've got all four limbs suspended. Two medicine balls, two stability balls, push-ups. Just stupid. And they're challenging. They're difficult. It gets a lot of attention. But I would not put that in the category of underrated, because it's just stupid. And they're challenging, they're difficult, it gets a lot of attention, but I would not put that in the category of underrated because it's so valuable.

I just started deadlifting again, right? And at UFC, they have these big orange bumper plates for 45s, and you can't fit more than four on each side. So I had to put on extra skinnier plates or whatever. Nobody looked, I was looking around. Anybody watching? Look, the bar can't fit any more weight. What, nobody cares?

Whatever, dudes. I'm doing this anyway. We'll just do it then, I guess. Yeah, I think there's a lot of moves that. There used to be so many. In fact, years ago, Doug and I created a YouTube channel, which still exists, I think. Really? channel, which still exists I think. Really?

Yeah, it still exists, still there. And it was great, now people can look at it. I know, that's a young Sal everybody. What do you guys have it under? Forgotten muscle building exercises. No, forgotten muscle building secrets or exercises? I don't know. Forgotten.

That might have been the muscle building exercises. Building. And it was all the exercises that nobody did anymore, which we all now have programmed and talked about yeah we've used them and now our programs oh my god look at young sal right here look at that bro that's that's 10 years ago yeah no it's not because you could put like they're 10 are they 10 yes 10 was right before 30 years ago like windmills and I mean not a course any unconventional tools I see all kinds of looks for all that stuff.

That's still, you still probably will a little bit. I still will. What are the exercises, Doug, in there that we did? Boy, I think it's zircher squats are in there. Let me see, yeah. Zircher squats, good mornings, Zotman curls, behind the back barbell shrug, sissy squats, push press. I didn't know you did zirchers squats.

I thought, I thought, I thought. Since I wrote all these down 10 years ago, I beat you guys basically. You did. I was doing that though. Yeah, Justin and I don't have proof. You just researched that, I was doing that though. Yeah, that's the difference.

Hey, you were watching Justin do it. Yeah, yeah, you came over to my gym and you're like, I'll use this in a video. I'll tell you what I didn't do, crawl across the floor. You didn't kneel on a stability ball, do you appreciate it? Never, never kneel on a stability ball. So your most viral one you did was build muscle with behind the back barbell shrugs.

How many views? 4,000. That's not bad. That's not bad. Behind the back barbell shrugs. I have a feeling that these. It's about to crush? No, I have a feeling that they've gotten 3,900

of those views. We're searching mind pump Sal, I think, in that Sal. Yeah, because I think if you search Sal DeStefano, you'll find this. Well, there you go. That's pre-divorce, pre-experts. Pre-gray hair. Yeah, pre-everything.

Pre-peptides, pre-everything. This is like- Stop. Handsome hair Sal. You look like you ate this Sal right here, dude. Yeah, pre everything. Pre peptides, pre everything. This is like... Stop! Handsome hair salve. You look like you ate this salve right here, dude. I did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you did. It killed me. There's two of us. Now there's only one.

This is like bizarro salve right here. Stop! Totally bizarro. My face is all... Anyway, look, if you love the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out our free fat loss guide. Again, it's free, it's a guide, teaches you how to burn body fat.

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