Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2410: How to Maximize Fat Loss & Preserve Muscle on GLP-1s (Introducing MAPS GLP-1)

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

GLP-1s, here to stay? (1:59) A culture-shifting moment in history. (7:20) Why we made MAPS GLP-1. (10:11) GLP-1s effect on the body and setting the narrative on the proper use. (15:48) Why being under muscled is an overshadowed chronic health issue. (22:22) Developing strategies to mitigate potential health issues on a GLP-1. (25:03) Introducing MAPS GLP-1 and what’s included. (30:52) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit NASM for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** 50% off their Certified Nutrition Course, Promo code MPM50CNC at checkout ** Special Launch Promotion: MAPS GLP-1 ** Code: GLP70 for $70 OFF. Includes: Ultimate Medication Guide for Patients & Healthcare Professionals & Intuitive Nutrition Guide. ** Mind Pump # 2360: What You Need to Know About GLP-1 With Dr. Tyna Moore Mind Pump #2187: Why Building Muscle Is More Important Than Losing Fat With Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Mind Pump # 2110: Ozempic the Miracle Fat Loss Peptide: The Truth With Dr. William Seeds Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Tyna Moore (@drtyna) Instagram  Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram  

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about GLP-1s and what we're gonna do to help these really affect people in the right way and help mitigate the negatives. Slowing down or is it speeding up? Oh these are, we're probably gonna see, I mean I predict in 10 years you're gonna see at least 30% of the population on GLP-1s. What are we, so is it the third generation we're in now of GLP-1s? Yeah.

Okay, and then they showed us when we were at the peptide conference, even like the next generation. So people aren't familiar, so you've probably heard Ozempic, Monjaro, um, Wegovi, there's a brand names of, of these compounds, these peptides called GLP-1s that, um, have been shown pretty consistently to cause weight loss. Like people will use these and we'll lose 10, 15% of their

body weight pretty reliably without the person really trying to do anything else. They take the peptide and then their appetite gets depressed significantly or suppressed significantly. Then they lose weight and there never really has been a medical intervention, non-surgical intervention that's this effective with this minimal so so far, you know, side effects that we know of. In the past, we've had weight loss drugs

that were like stimulants, like FenFen. First off, they didn't show the same weight loss effects. Second, the side effects were bad. You know, you accelerated heart rate, high blood pressure. They're not, they weren't good for you in that case. GLP ones don't seem to have those, and they're so consistently effective, they're like exploding to the point where

snack food companies are now taking notice, they're having to switch gears because they're losing sales. Major retailers are noticing changes in people's buying habits. It's pretty crazy. Once South Park makes a satire out of it, you know it's like pop culture forever.

Did they do it? They did. Oh, they did. Oh, wow. So it's already there. I mean, you know it's like pop culture forever. Did they do it? They did. Oh, they did. Oh, wow. So it's already there. I mean, it's definitely in the zeitgeist. It's also very divisive too, right? There's tends to be two camps here.

You're either, you either seem to be pro it or you're super anti it. And, you know, I don't know, I feel like, I don't really, I don't feel like I fall in either camp. I feel like it's a tool. It's here to stay, whether I like it or not. Very familiar with all the research and the amount of muscle that people are losing on it.

Know how important that is. We constantly preach high protein and building muscle and why that's so important for a fat loss journey. So of course, that part of it, I'm not happy with, I don't like that. But I recognize how powerful, how effective it has been for people and know that it can be life changing to help them support. So I just think about, man, if I was a trainer, still working in gyms and helping people, like in person, how would I handle this?

And I think that I would try my best to find a way to work with it instead of falling in the camp of just trying to be like, oh, this is the worst thing, this is terrible, it's a drug, you shouldn't take this, I think it's here to stay. We have to have a proper evaluation of the context of what's going on here. We are in a obesity epidemic, a chronic poor health epidemic that is not slowing down.

More people are aware of exercise. There's more information about proper eating than ever before. Even gyms have higher numbers of members working out. All great stuff, all good stuff. But the rate of obesity and the rate of chronic health issues, poor health issues continues to grow. So that's the context of what we're in. So the all for, all against is a very non-nuanced opinion.

The all against, well you're ignoring the facts. The facts are we're in a situation that we haven't figured out how to even slow down, let alone stop. The biggest crisis is the fact that yeah, everybody's still in that trajectory of being completely obese and overweight. I know a lot of people are like,

well yeah, we know what the solutions are, right? People need to eat better, they need to exercise. Yes, that is a solution. We built our entire business on this. We did this for over two and a half decades working with people. That's hard. That's so hard that it doesn't happen most of the time.

So that's just the true world that we live in. Then the total pro ignores all these miracle medical interventions we've had in the past and the negatives that have come out of them. So it's not all good, all bad. It's a, this is not going away. This definitely does what it says it does in terms of weight loss. Okay, is there a way we could work with these to solve this problem in

a good way, in a real way, in a sustainable way? Are there potentials for abuse? What are the negatives? How can trainers and coaches of the fitness space? How can we bridge this into healthy practices? Yeah, or is that even possible? Is that even a thing? I mean, yes, yes, yes, all the above. Now, what else would you put up in this category of, I mean, I would think it's revolutionary, right, as far as like a weight loss aid, right? So what would you, like, bariatric surgery, right?

That would be up there with this. The GLP-1 stuff. What else has been like just crazy when it came and hit the bar? Because I wouldn't even put like- You mean for weight loss? Yes, for weight loss. I wouldn't even put like fat burners in there.

Those are liposuction or something? Yeah, I guess liposuction would be- I mean, those are, remember, those are surgical interventions. Yes, surgical. So, the GLP ones are not surgical. There's not, there hasn't been anything that's even come close. I know, it's like, well, I'm trying,

that's what I'm trying to wrap my brain. What is the closest thing to what we- Fenfen, you know, one of the stimulant-based fat burners that, you know, people lose their appetite because they're so stimulated. They're not losing 15% of their body weight. And the side effects are not great. They're bad.

A lot of people don't like the way they make them feel. GLP ones don't seem to have those. There's nothing. So this is such a culture-shifting moment in history with a pharmaceutical, with a peptide in this case, it's akin to like the birth control pill. That came out and culture actually shifted. People, things changed because of antibiotics

was another one. Opiate, painkillers would be maybe another one. That's probably a better way, Sal, to compare it because there's nothing in the fat loss category that compares to it. Nothing. But you could compare it to other revolutionary drugs that we introduce to the market that solve problems

or help people with certain things. Yeah, but there's always a potential negative. Of course. You gotta look at that. But it's culture, I mean, it is going to impact society in such a big way, it's gonna put other pharmaceuticals out of business, it's gonna change people's buying habits, and you're gonna see such a massive investment

in the space from the pharmaceutical industry because, I mean, if you could, and I'm not saying this is solving it by the way, I want to be very clear. I think this is a piece of that, but let's say you could come close to solving the, the chronic health epidemic with a, with one, uh, with a compound that you used, um, and the side effects were minimal. I mean, that's, that puts, I don't know how much of the pharmaceutical industry had a business.

And how much money would that make to have a deal? So what's, why that's so important that you say that is because to educate the consumer on what's ahead of you, like it's not that simple that a quick Google search is gonna give you the answer you want, because you're gonna see two opposing sides, and a lot of money getting put behind both sides. And that makes it really difficult for a consumer to know what's the truth.

Because you could really, I mean, give me either side and I can argue it intelligently and make a good case for it. I could be so pro and I could be so anti it and make a case for it. And because both of them are motivated by money, you're gonna see a lot of conflicting stuff get hit, the news and the outlet hit the internet, like it's gonna be tough. So I remember when we first started becoming

like aware of these and I started just looking at the data, because you hear this every once in a while, like this new thing came out, does this and whatever, it's new medicine. And then you gotta look at the data and see what's going on. So I started looking at the data and I was like, whoa, this is crazy. We've never seen anything like this.

And I started reading more and more studies on how they worked. One of the primary ways that people lose weight on a GLP-1 is it does effectively just stop thinking about food. It really does bring your appetite down. In fact, Adam tested it on himself just to see what it felt like. And I mean, I remember you being like, I could eat 500 calories and feel like totally fine. Yeah.

Like it just totally crushes, it can totally crush your appetite or affect your appetite. And then there's lots of other effects it has in the body, improving insulin sensitivity. It was originally, you know, research for diabetes for insulin, you know, helps with insulin sensitivity. There may be some muscle sparing effects,

who knows. But anyway, the data looked crazy. I'm starting to see what's happening with the culture around it and we all sat down and were like, this isn't going away and the potential for abuse here is very high because I could see people who are like, I want to lose 10 pounds for the beach or somebody with body dysmorphia may use these things. Well, and not to throw too much of a wrench into this whole thing, but too, then there's

the behavioral aspects that they're noticing, positive behavioral changes that people are experiencing with semaglutide, for instance, from one of them. And it's like, so it's complex in terms of the conversation around this. It's not just like, we're not just addressing this for one thing. This actually has potential for a lot of different

human behavioral aspects. It also changes the game a bit, as far as my approach of training clients. This was one of my biggest takeaways of going through this process. Was up until actually taking it, feeling what it felt like to go through it. I was just reading the same stuff that you're reading

and just kind of getting the research and the feedback and it's like, okay, piecing it together. Then when I went through it, I realized how important it would be to make sure that your programming with it is aligned with what you're doing nutritionally, activity-wise, calorie-wise, and right away for me, that was the big flag of like, oh, okay,

not only is there a potential for abuse of the wrong people using it, just trying to just cut tons of calories, but then I also see that same subset of people are also the ones that tend to over train and over apply intensity and volume. And it's like, man, it's gonna be such a delicate dance. It always is a delicate dance,

but it becomes an extremely delicate dance when you're eating so low of calorie, which is why I think so much of the studies that we're seeing are coming out with this alarming numbers of muscle loss. I think a lot of that isn't just, isn't because the peptide is crushing the appetite, I think it's also being exacerbated by the people

that are training improperly in conjunction with taking this. We'll get into that, but I wanna back up and kinda put this in a nutshell, which is that we wanted to get ahead of this and we wanted to set the narrative, that was the goal. All right, we have this podcast. We reach millions of people every month, in fitness

we're near the top, if not at the top. We can set the narrative if we get out ahead of this and talk about positives, negatives, and how you can use a GLP-1 in a way to where you're not dependent for the rest of your life. Because that's the other issue. The other issue is, well, you go on it, you lose this weight, you go back,

and then you go off, and then what happens? Right. Well, you gain the weight back because your appetite comes back. So, okay, do we want people to be on things forever? And I get in some cases that's just a better option. But ideally, ideally, no. Then you mentioned the muscle loss.

Okay, muscle loss happens when people eat less from a GLP-1. That also happens when people just eat less. So what tends to happen is they just eat less of what they were eating before, and they're not strength training properly, they're not eating enough protein. And then we'll get into some other factors like hydration. And so lean body mass loss happens as a result. So it's like, all right, let's set the narrative. Let's get ahead of this and talk about

how to do this the right way. Are there ways you could use a GLP-1 to eventually get to the point where you don't need to use one and actually modify your behaviors? Actually change how you view food or your relationship to food and exercise. Can you use it as a bridge? Can you use it kind of as a jump start

versus something that does all the work for you, which I get why the many people in fitness space are against that, I would be as well. Yeah, well because you have to go into this with more than just a weight loss intention, right? I can't go into this just like, okay, I'm using this thing to reduce calories and lose much weight.

I have to go in with the understanding that, listen, I have over eight for probably years of my life, maybe even decades of my life that has caused all this excess body fat. I'm utilizing this tool to not only go in and start to lose it, but then also to peer in to my behaviors and relationship around food. And how do I document, pay attention, and address that so that when I get to the place that is healthy for me, and I decide that I want to come off of this,

have I actually paid attention enough to see what those behaviors, triggers, and things are that caused me to get here in the first place. Otherwise I'm just going to go right back. Well, it goes even farther than that, right? So when you're on a GLP-1, it reduces your appetite, but more accurately reduces craving. So most overeating is not due to true hunger, it's more like a craving that somebody will have.

So GLP-1s basically eliminate cravings in many people, reduce hunger on top of it, which is the genuine hunger, and then it seems to change the hedonistic value of food. So let's say you eat when you're stressed or when you're anxious or bored or depressed or whatever, you get that temporary hedonistic value. That's why people will overeat, right? It feels good temporarily or it numbs me or distracts me. It seems to make a big difference in that sense. So when it comes to behaviors, any behavior, good or bad, you have neural networks that represent those behaviors.

And the more you practice that behavior, the stronger those networks are, those connections. When you stop doing a behavior, it doesn't matter what the behavior is, right? If you stop walking right now and you're just like, I'm not When you stop doing a behavior, it doesn't matter what the behavior is, right? If you stop walking right now, and you're just like, I'm not gonna walk for the next month, those neural networks that control walking will start to sever and become weaker.

So you start to lose skills, essentially you can gain skills is how it is. So if you constantly reach for food for the wrong reasons, you got a bad relationship with food, you need to lose 60 pounds, 80 pounds, whatever, and you go on a GLP-1 and now that strong driver that gets you to make that decision is muted. Now you can say, I'm not gonna engage in that behavior.

So now you're on this for four months, five months, however long, you're not practicing that behavior that you always practiced. So we have a unique opportunity when you're on a GLP-1 to develop new behaviors, to set yourself up so when you go off, appetite comes back, it's not as strong as it used to be. Not the appetite, but rather the behavior.

So those neural networks start to sever. While using one, this is where good coaching comes into play, you can develop or work on developing new networks. So I'm stressed. Normally this is when I would eat. Actually, I'm okay not eating. Let me figure out a new behavior that can help me deal with the stress when the hunger does come back when I come off. I would even make a case too that you could change just like the choices too, like in the relationship. For example, one of the ones that I went through.

So it's not news to anybody. I've shared openly how much I love ice cream. That's been a thing for me forever. Before I had done the trisepatide, I had got back into some old behaviors of where at night, late at night, I would go downstairs late after dinner, 9 o'clock at night, and go crush a bowl of ice cream or something.

And that was something I would start. And it always starts as opening the Pandora's box, and then all of a sudden it becomes a habit. I'm doing it almost mindlessly, right? So I can totally understand and relate how that can get out of control for the average person. So one of the things I noticed was when I was on the Triseptotype, just like you said,

it just eliminated, I had no craving, no desire for at all. But then it was like, okay, I'm going to come off of it. And then as I came off of it, I noticed the appetite started to increase. I noticed the cravings. The difference was I didn't have this same pull and drive towards that ice cream, but I did have the same like, oh, this is about what I would do this. So what I did was I switched over and I went, you know what? I used to do this blueberries and cocoa whip thing and a little bit of granola

that I really like. It's about a third or a fraction of the calories. And way healthier. Way healthier, better choice for me than eating a bunch of ice cream, right? And I was like, oh my God, this is so amazing. And I forgot how much I enjoyed this. And what was neat was that it literally was just

that moment of switching to that alternative, tallying myself as a minion how much I enjoy it, and then it's almost like that's been forgotten for me. So like a new behavior. I can think. You had an opportunity to build a new behavior, and the old one that was so hard to break, because when you're in the middle of this tough,

has been weakened. So now you can create these new behaviors. So this is something that I think is important to talk about when you're on GLP-1 and work with a coach with. By the way, this is nothing new to us. GLP-1 is just at the market. We were training people for 20 plus years.

Behavior change and modification was part of how you became successful as a trainer. It takes, by the way, it takes 10 years to really get good at this. When you're good at this with clients, this is no different. Yes, it's almost different at all because I mean for the most part, you know, people can easily sort of put their horse blinders on and just, you know, focus on,

I'm just gonna consume this, it's temporary, it's just this time frame, I need to get to this goal, and they just like try to block everything out that normally they'd be tempted by, leaving themselves completely open. At the end of it, they didn't work on building the new associations, building the new behaviors that will, you know, they'll repeat and they can strengthen. Instead, they're just like trying their best to push it out, knowing that they're going to get to this place, but then leaving themselves susceptible for that all to come back. Totally. Listen, it is the exact same process

that I used to go through with the client, only I didn't have this super powerful tool that aided them. That's right. The only difference was back when I used to do it, it was like an elimination diet. So if I had a client that were trying to get to the issue with- It was some white-knuckling, man. Yes, it was like, I would have to get them

to do an elimination diet or like a whole 30 type of a protocol for at least a month to get them to get an elimination diet or like a whole 30 type of a protocol for at least a month to get them to get rid of all this stuff on the diet. And then it was like, okay, now is those things you want to do. I want you to journal. And then instead of that, let's try this. And it was like, so you would have to kind of get, and then only a small percentage of them would be disciplined enough to make it through that process to actually learn to

create new behaviors, new relationships with better choices for them and then we would have Success and that's kind of how I viewed this GLP one. It was like, oh wow, this is kind of like a hack I think it's your coat. Yes. Yes, because it's all still I still got to work on those things We're gonna play the game. Yes You have a cheat code You still got to do all those same things that I did with all my clients before the only difference now is they find it easy It's like they look like Adam, I don't even want it anymore. It's like, okay, great. But you know, this, when we come off of it, you are going to. So since we're here, we need to pay attention to

you. Where, where would this think, where would you normally reach for this food? And then if you were to- Propensity for apathy is even higher with this. Totally. You know, cause it's like, it's working. I don't really have to go move I don't have to eat, you know And so you get in this place where it's like you wake up things are gonna happen anyway And you get to a new place of problems where it's like oh my god, you know, I'm not strong anymore I you know, I I'm very Wasting away in a sense because I didn't think about you know figuring this out head time That's the other part is the muscle loss now. I want to be clear

about figuring this out ahead of time. That's the other part is the muscle loss. Now I want to be clear, GLP-1s do not cause you to lose muscle. The muscle loss is because people simply eat less. They're not strength training. They're not bumping the protein intake. They probably drink less water too. That's another piece, by the way. Oh, big time.

That it lowers your appetite, but it also lowers your thirst. And something like 15%, 20% in many cases, of our fluid comes from our food. So you eat less, you drink less, you end up dehydrating a bit. That's what causes the muscle loss, which by the way would happen if you're on a GLP-1 or not. If you take the average person who wants to lose weight,

you just have them cut their calories and they do it consistently, but they don't bump their protein, they don't strength train. 30, 40% of that weight will be muscle. And the reason this happens is the body is trying to meet the new caloric intake. It's trying to lower its caloric demands. The best way to do that is to pair muscle down. So your body pairs muscle down,

slows your metabolism down so that the 1200 calories you're eating now no longer is less than you're burning. It now sustains you perfectly. That's why people lose muscle on a GLP-1. Now why is this so important for us to talk about? Well, of course, it's the aesthetic component. You're still being skinny and not having muscle doesn't look as great as being lean with muscle. Faster metabolism, it's much more sustainable when you go off the GLP-1. You can eat more food. Health, health, this is a big one.

If you look at the data on our chronic health issues with the number one killers, like heart disease, right, kills more Americans than anything. A majority of the people who die from heart disease are obese, that's a fact. However, there's a sizable minority, something like 15 to 20%, and this is true for cancers as well, that are not overweight,

yet they're getting the same, they're getting the same they're getting diabetes They're getting heart disease or they're getting cancers So what's going on here and the control for smoking the control for all these things? The issue is they're under muscle muscle. Yep under muscle is a it's a it's an overshadowed Chronic health issue that we have in modern societies because obesity gets all the spotlight. But a big problem is also being under-muscled. Muscle is metabolically active, it's anti-cancer, it gives you mobility of course as you get older. If you get weaker, your odds of dying go through the roof. It's one of the best ways to single test to predict somebody's

all-cause mortality is test their strength. Have them squeeze something, test their strength. That'll give you a better prediction of their all-cause mortality than other metrics. So okay, we're gonna have a bunch of people just take GLP-1s and not do anything to mitigate muscle loss. We may be solving one problem and causing another one. So for us, it's like, all right, we got to, again, we got to get ahead of this. Now it might sound, you know, obvious to someone, oh right, we got to, again, we got to get ahead of this. Now it might sound, you know, obvious to someone, oh cool, have everybody lift weights and eat more protein, right?

Solution, we're done. No, the eating more protein sounds great, except it's hard to do for most people anyway. You tell the average person to hit their target body weight in protein from whole foods, that's hard. It's very satiety producing. If you're, you know, you want to be 120 pound female, go ahead and try eating 40 grams of protein from whole foods three times a day.

Consistently, you'll find it's actually quite difficult. Yeah. Well, now you're on a GLP-1. Now your appetite's even lower. So now eating that much protein, okay, this is where strategies need to be developed to work with these individuals because we just can't let their protein intake drop. Then strength training. Oh just have them lift weights. Hold on a second. Now if you're not an experienced trainer you

don't understand this but what you it's very careful you have to be very careful with how you program a workout in a calorie deficit. When you take someone's calories way down and their body's losing weight you train them improperly you're very likely to over train them and cause more muscle loss. You'll be lifting weights and losing more muscle than had you not in the first place because you're so over trained.

I think this is what, I actually think that a lot of the research that in the numbers that we're getting back with the muscle loss is part of this because I think you're getting people that are highly motivated to lose significant weight. And a lot of times these highly motivated people choose things like the F45, the Orange Theories,

the Berry's Boot Camps, they're taking to your local boot camp thing, running, like they're doing all these forms of cardio to accelerate their weight loss. And they're seeing the weight loss, and so they're thinking, oh my god, I'm losing weight on the scale super, super fast, and they think they're having a lot of success.

Then they're coming back and they're doing the body fat test and they're realizing oh my god 30 40 percent of that was muscle I think that's part of why we're seeing those high numbers. It could be, it definitely could be but the fact remains that even if they're controlled for that even if these are people that aren't active and they're seeing muscle loss you take the average person who needs to lose 80 pounds you have them significantly decrease their calories just because their appetite

is suppressed. And then you have them go work out. First of all, it's easy to over train anyway. Over training is doing more than is necessary to get your body to build strength and muscle. Anything more than that, anything more than is necessary for you actually reduces your results and if you go too far, which most people do, you actually cause muscle loss.

You're just breaking muscle down all the time and you're in a calorie deficit. Now we have big problems. So the programming has to be very appropriate and specific to somebody who's in especially those beginning stages of the GLP-1 when their calorie intake drops. We also have to be able to monitor strength. What it's expected that your overall strength may drop as you lose weight, but we should be able to look at strength as a percentage of body weight and say, you're losing too much strength. Or, in many cases, I think if you do this right,

because I think I could confidently do this with most people, make them stronger as they go through this process with good programming. I also think there becomes a much higher need for supplements. Because you're eating such low calorie that the micro macronutrients that you're probably missing on a regular basis, it becomes even more essential for you to be supplementing for different things. So I think that paired with this also becomes important.

I think that's part of why we're seeing this. We're seeing so much muscle loss because people aren't supplementing right. They're not training properly. They're not hitting their protein intake. They're just eating less. Yes. They're sedentary and eating less. And I think that's what's causing

all these alarming numbers to come out and why the headlines are GLP-1s or lose all this muscle. And it's like, well, okay, yeah, understandably so. You also mentioned supplements. It's also, what's interesting is supplements that are less valuable otherwise now have become much more valuable.

For example, essential amino acids, branched-chain amino acids. Normally we tell people it's a waste of money, just hit your protein targets. Well, if you can't hit your protein targets, these now become valuable, they're easy to drink, they typically taste like flavored water, and they reduce

muscle loss. Supplements like HMB is another one. Creatine, extremely valuable in this case, preventing the muscle loss, but also improving the hydration within the muscles. We talked about oftentimes they drink less water. We need things that suck water into the muscles to prevent that lean body mass loss. Those are called osmolytes. Then protein powders.

Whey protein is very valuable because it's easy to take. It doesn't really suppress appetite much. Collagen becomes very important because of the amino acid content helps draw water into muscles so it could be more anti-catabolic in this case. The type of supplements you take also starts to become important for training supplements behavior modification There's going to be a right way to work with GLP ones That's going to ensure a people don't lose muscle They come out of it more fit and strong than they went into it and we've dramatically reduced

This is the most important one for me lifelong dependence. This dependence. This is where I'm like, you know, I would love it if we could use this as a bridge so people can lose weight, develop these new behaviors, and then live the rest of their life without having to take you know anything. Yeah, and I just haven't seen any program, any guidance out there with guardrails to really like get ahead and address this.

It's just, you know, because it is effective and it's something that people know about in terms of pop culture. And you can ask your doctor about it now at this point and they can sort of prescribe and see whether or not you're in that sort of limit of like, okay, you're obese and you qualify. But we need more than that.

We need a lot more than that. And so this is one of those things that really spurred us to kind of get to the drawing board and come up with some ways that we can address these problems. Well, first time to consulting two doctors while we did it too. That's right. So what we did is we put this together. We created a program. That's what we do.

We write programs, but we did one specifically for people who are using a GLP-1. The programming is different because when you first go on a GLP-1, there's a much stronger effect versus when the effects start to kind of balance out and your appetite comes up a little bit, energy comes back up. So there's workouts for when you're getting the strong effects and then there's workouts for when you're coming out of it and how to minimize muscle loss in one, and maximize muscle gain in the other one. It could also be viewed as on-GLP one or off-GLP one,

but for other people it's gonna be when they're really strong. Preserved muscle, yeah, make muscle. That's right. This was one of the, this is one of the pieces of feedback that we got from Dr. Seeds, I remember talking to him, and Dr. Tina both confirmed this. And that was, so it was kind of cool and fun about this.

That's so unique compared to anything else we've written. It's almost like it's two workout programs, right? It's like two different programs. The thought process originally from us was, oh, you know, this one will be when you are on GLP ones. This one will be when you're off GLP ones. And then I remember talking to both Dr. Tina and Dr. Seeds and they are talking about kind of the process

for most people, and then the fact that there are exceptions to the rule. Some people, by week two, were already feeling strength coming back and feeling really good. And so the idea was, OK, well, this won't be as simple as it's on or off. It'll actually be by feel, right? So people that are feeling like they're strong,

because you'll definitely notice that. You will either, at some period of time while you are using a GLP-1, you're going to have these modes. And I remember this where I was just like, man, I don't have it. I can't go get a 50-minute hard workout right now for sure. It's like I had to choose between that or helping out Katrina around the house.

Didn't have it. Then there was a period of time where my body seemed to adapt. And I was like, OK, now I'm getting back to the normal things. And so, in that period of time, I remember hearing from Dr. Seeds is it ranges from anywhere from as early as two weeks to as late as six to eight weeks, depending on the person on when they start to get that feeling. And so, you know, the customizing it for the individual I thought was really unique to be able to educate the audience on, okay, like we have to decide, okay, where you're at and then however you're feeling.

We made a checklist. Yeah, we'll dictate on which program you're following at that time. Yeah, we made a checklist that you go down and then you can see, okay, I'm going to do this version of the GLP 1 workout and the checklist now says this, I'm going to do this version. And really what they're doing is they're working with different caloric intakes and energy levels. We also have different recommendations for both. We go through and we talk about supplements.

Which supplements are most valuable when the effects are strongest, when the effects are weakest, when you're in the building versus maintaining type phase. Then we talk about behavior modification strategies. So you can work with this to fundamentally change your relationship to food because I think that's the that's ultimately the goal. Can we get people to a point where this is not an issue for the rest of their life? We talk about diet recommendations as well because there are strategies around nutrition to help minimize the muscle loss and increase that protein intake, and just there's different strategies

and things that we put in. Plus build healthier patterns with it. That's right, and building healthier patterns. And we put that all together in this, and it's the first time we've ever done something like this for a specific demographic, but again, the goal is we wanna get ahead of this wave and really set the narrative so that people know

this is the right way to do it and Everything else is the wrong way. So because we're launching this it's Maps GLP one You can go to Maps GLP one comm if you're interested and it's $70 off because we're launching it So it's GLP 70 gives you the $70 off, but that also includes some free ebooks We have a medication guide for patients and healthcare professionals. Talks about all the latest peptides, what they do, how they work, who they're for, who they're not for.

And you'll also get our intuitive nutrition guide. We've had that one for a while. And that teaches people how to work with their diet in an intuitive way so you're never having to count macros, calories, or have to rely on medications. Look, if you like our show head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have some free guides there you can take a look at. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump.

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