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Starting point is 00:02:08 Here's what happens to your body if you quit sugar for 14 days. Now you might get leaner, you might notice some aesthetic changes, but here's what happens for sure. Your body's ability to detect sweetness starts to become modified. Things that are less sweet start to taste more sweet. In fact, people often comment on how they reset their ability to perceive sugary foods. This may be a great way to get yourself started on a diet where you reduce your sweets intake. So quitting for 14 days, it can make you look different, but the big thing is it changes how you perceive those sweet foods. Is this what we've decided the time is?

Starting point is 00:02:49 So I remember this, right? I shared this with you guys during my journey of getting ready to compete and dieting for the first time really competitively. And up until that point, to be honest, even as a trainer, I never even cut candy and sweets out of my diet. I've always been able to include that in the diet and stay-

Starting point is 00:03:08 Work around it. Yeah. Seriously, stay fit. I never really- Fast metabolism, you worked out a lot. Yeah. I never really completely cut it out until I had to compete. Once I had to compete, I knew that I would have to tighten everything up, right? And one of the first things was like, okay, eliminating that stuff for an extended period of time. I don't remember exactly how long it was, but 100% I went from someone who never had truly,

Starting point is 00:03:36 I think, enjoyed biting into an apple until I was 30 something years old. And I remember enjoying fruit and going, oh, I remember too that I thought I was just getting lucky at the grocery store. Like it was like, I was that naive to what was going on. Seriously. I just-

Starting point is 00:03:54 It never had dawned on me that I had cut sugars, like a processed sugars like that out completely for that long of a period of time. So I wasn't really thinking, like I wasn't doing it for like any sort of intent of like be healthier or try and like reset my palette. I'm like, I gotta compete. I need to track and measure everything.

Starting point is 00:04:09 Candy's a waste. I gotta figure this out. And I remember going to the store. I remember biting into that apple. And then I remember it was some grapes. And it was just like, and I remember about fourth or fifth time this had happened in a row.

Starting point is 00:04:19 And I'm going like, I can't be possibly getting this lucky of just choosing the best fruit in the world. It's like, it's so sweet and it never tasted like it before. No, no, no, complete transparency. You know, we often get suggested things to talk about that people wanna listen to or that do well on social media or on YouTube. This is one of the things that they recommended.

Starting point is 00:04:38 And oftentimes I'll look at it and say, sounds good. That's a topic I think we could talk about to bring value. Other times I'll look at something and be like, okay, this is kind of like click bait here. Then it dawned on me. You know what? Okay, you cut sugar. The rest of your diet matters as well. Like you could cut sugar and make up for it with other things and you might not lose any body fat. Nothing might happen to you at all. But the way you perceive sweetness definitely changes when you consume less sweet foods. By the way, this includes artificial sweeteners. Even though they have no calories,

Starting point is 00:05:08 the perception of sweetness is something that your body adapts to. So when you cut foods out that are sweet for a certain period of time, and it's probably around 14 days, when you reintroduce things that are sweet, you'll be like, wow, they taste sweeter than I remembered. This is a real thing that we notice when we cut anything that's hyper palatable out of our diet. Now, is there value to this? Absolutely. If this is a challenge for you, like it was for you, Adam,

Starting point is 00:05:33 I know you always talk about this with sweets, if this is a challenge for you, then can you tough it out for 14 days and then try to develop new behaviors around sugar now that the signal isn't so strong. I think it's a valid strategy. In fact, this was one that I would use with certain clients all the time. I mean this is what also got me to enjoy vegetables because I also had this very, I mean if you think fruit was bland for me, how do you think vegetables were? You know? And so they were even even less

Starting point is 00:06:03 palatable. After doing this and finding like, wow, real enjoyment for fruit and actually starting to like vegetables, I was able to completely into my 30s change my eating behaviors because it was something that I kind of... So man, the value of eliminating that for that just to open up the opportunity. Because how many times have you guys gotten in clients who's like, oh, I hate vegetables, or oh, I don't care for, like, they just tell you, and they've just accepted that, which by the way, I would be guilty of probably saying in my late 20s,

Starting point is 00:06:34 I might have said something like, oh, I just, vegetables taste terrible to me, I'm not a big fruit guy, whatever. And I was like, oh, of course, because I've been eating processed sugars for, like, by the bag full for a very long time. Yeah. I mean, just even moving back to having something that's paired with fiber or something that's going to kind of move a bit slower, uh, in your digestive process to just challenge, you know, uh, that, that whole system, um, it has so much more value to it, even if it's

Starting point is 00:07:03 like sweet, but to, to get yourself back to that experience, where you can actually have fruit and you can taste the sweetness of it and not be like completely, you know, jacked from, because the thing is like dextrose and these like a lot of these like artificial sweeteners, the potency of them in terms of the sweetness is at such a high level. It's actually like pretty appalling to me. It changes how you perceive it. We weren't supposed to do that. As humans, if you ate sugar, I've talked about this a long time ago, it's been a long time since we brought this up, but if you were to in nature find the, I think

Starting point is 00:07:40 it's 30 to 50 grams of sugar in a can of soda. If you were to consume that in nature, that's like eight feet of sugar cane. The amount of calories you would burn just trying to gnaw through them. And it's not nearly as sweet. No, it's not as concentrated. So we just weren't, we weren't designed to consume it at that high of a level of potency.

Starting point is 00:08:03 This is true for all factors of palatability. It's not that sugar's evil, but sugar is one of the three things that makes up palatability. Sugar, salt, and fat, and then we figured out other chemicals and textures and things that add to that enhanced fat, but those are the three main ingredients. And when you consume hyper palatable food over a period of time, or just sugar, or just whatever, your body, you perceive it

Starting point is 00:08:26 differently. Your body literally adapts to that signal and then more natural sources of that, which are not engineered to be as powerful, just don't taste the sweet. Look, I'm going to say something that the average person who hasn't trained people, who let's say watches their health, is going to think it's absolutely absurd, but I guarantee both you, Adam and Justin have had a client say this to you. Have you ever had somebody say to you, I don't like the taste of water?

Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah. That's, those are- I need something in it. Chronic. To drink it. Chronic diet soda drinkers, or people who drink sweet drinks. Crystal light or something. They change their palate so much.

Starting point is 00:09:01 I had more than one client say this. The first time I heard it, I thought it was absurd. I thought they were joking. I'm like, water. Yeah, it's water. But it's because their palate has changed so much that water is off pudding because it doesn't have that signal. So this, it changes how you perceive all foods and all things.

Starting point is 00:09:18 And so again, there's a lot of these challenges about cut sugar out, do this and that and whatever, I think one of the greatest benefits across the board is just shifting your desires and palette to a point where you can work from a new perspective, and then it's easier to avoid them, it's easier to move into better behavior. So at the end of the day, that's what's most important. You know, this conversation reminds me

Starting point is 00:09:39 of some of the topic, the conversation we've had around GLP-1s too, and the effectiveness or the lack of, and knowing that part of that is, there's nothing magical in the 14-day cutoff if you don't do anything about the behaviors or change it with new behaviors. The same thing goes for this GLP-1. There's nothing magical about it, just cutting,

Starting point is 00:09:58 you're greatly reducing the calories significantly, so that's obviously what attributes to the weight loss, and it opens the door for you to then be able to change behavior, modify behaviors around it, which can be life-changing from somebody, but if you don't treat it that way you're not gonna see the result. It gives you space to even look at it objectively, you know, and not just kind of fall into your routine and patterns. It's like, you know, the 14 days away from it gives you that kind of different perspective, but you have to act on that while you're going through it, start really actively pursuing better habits.

Starting point is 00:10:28 This is, in my opinion, so there's a lot of physiological things that happen with GLP-1, some agglutide, tris-epidide and others, where they blunt appetite, improve insulin sensitivity. There might be muscle sparing, immunomodulating effects, et cetera, et cetera. But I think personally, especially when it comes to obesity and the use of these substances for obesity, I think one of the biggest, most valuable aspects of this is how you could potentially use this, as you guys are saying, for behavior modification.

Starting point is 00:11:00 So anybody watching listening to this right now knows exactly what I'm about to say. A habit is hard to break at first but the longer you stay away from a habit, a bad habit, the easier it is to not go back. Over time, the first that's like why quitting something is so hard initially, but then over time and over years it's just easier and easier. Well, when you practice a behavior, a habit, a bad habit, whatever, you are continuing to train neural pathways, neural networks that exist in the brain. So it's a strengthened neural network or strengthened behavior or habit.

Starting point is 00:11:35 When you stop that habit, when you stop acting on a habit, those neural networks start to naturally weaken. The body adapts just like it does to activity. You don't exercise, your body pairs muscle down, you don't need it. You don't do a habit very often or you stop it completely. The brain says we don't need to maintain these neural networks. It's expensive to do so. Let's prune it down and focus on some other stuff. So you don't do this. You're not engaging in this type of eating behaviors that you did before. Maybe you had a strong appetite signal

Starting point is 00:12:03 so when you were stressed or anxious or whatever, man, it's so hard to stop eating this way, it's so hard. It's so hard to deal with this obesity, God, it's such a strong pull. You take a GLP-1, the appetite or this craving signal is greatly weakened. Now you can go, I'm not gonna eat that. I'm not even thinking about that.

Starting point is 00:12:21 Or it's easy for me to resist that right now. This is actually quite easy. But then what you do to make it even better, and this is where I think GLP-1s are going to shine with the right coaches, by the way, is okay, now that you feel stressed or anxious or whatever, let's replace that old behavior with a new one because while that one's weakening, let's strengthen this with this new one and let's replace it. Then when you come off a GLP-1, your appetite comes back, but that drive, that indescribable drive that makes it impossible for you to say no

Starting point is 00:12:49 is no longer there. And instead what's there is this other one that's not as loud as the old bad behavior, but now it's there and it's kind of pulling you. And you go, you know, I've actually learned to do this other thing and I'm gonna keep strengthening this. I think that's where the real value is.

Starting point is 00:13:03 100%. And you learn, you actually can learn to like, enjoy and like it. I mean, at least this has been my experience with clients in my experience, my personal experience, uh, with the sugar and fruit. Um, I've never looked back. Doesn't mean I haven't had candy since then, but like my body now craves the natural fruit and I enjoy that as much that it's not hard to not have candy for three months in a row. I can wear as a you know in my 20s there's no way there's no way I would string

Starting point is 00:13:32 two or three days in a row of not enjoying some sort of a candy treat snack something that was high high on processed sugar where now it's like because I've built this new relationship with fruit there's last night I you know had some cocoa whip with blueberries and just like enjoyed that thoroughly, how good that tasted. And so that wouldn't have happened 10 years ago. And it wouldn't have happened had I not used that time away of breaking that behavior, introducing new behaviors around it. And then also, and I think maybe a part of it too, you have to have a self-talk, I guess,

Starting point is 00:14:08 or write it out if you need to of like, telling myself like, I think I liked it, I liked this. This is good, this is good for me. Journaling is really important. I enjoy this, yeah, I think that, this is the same way that the people that I've helped out that are going through like GLP ones, is the first step is them becoming aware of these behaviors that are starting to prune like oh Adam

Starting point is 00:14:29 You know I used to know I used to always do and I didn't realize it was I would just grab Snacks in you know with my kids I'm putting their things together and I would throw four or five in my mouth And then I would be putting this together or making dinner for my husband I would grab for this and I put and I didn't realize How much of that grazing I was doing all day long, and now I don't do that. I have no desire to do that, and it's like. But they're aware, it was almost an impulse.

Starting point is 00:14:51 Yes. Like underneath awareness, it's right under awareness, where they were making those decisions. Yeah, I think we need to keep talking about it this way and get ahead of it, because we all strongly believe that this, I mean, because millions and millions of people are getting on these and using these every single day. It's going to be one of the most widely used

Starting point is 00:15:12 medical interventions, not just for obesity, but just across the board, because so far what they're showing, we gotta keep communicating this way because if people do it the right way with good coaching, and of course, we've talked about before, strength training and increasing your protein and strategy around that. If they do things the right way, this could be a really-

Starting point is 00:15:32 There's benefit to it. This could be a good thing for a lot of people that are in a really, really tough position. This is why we created our Maps GLP-1 program was specifically for this. We want to get ahead of it and really show people the right way to do it, which we strongly believe is going to result in better results, no muscle loss, maybe some gains, some strength, good metabolism, healthy, and then a pathway

Starting point is 00:15:56 towards getting off. So it's not something you use for the rest of your life. Yeah, I think it really sunk in for me how widespread this is becoming. When we went to one of the last trainer convention things that we did, where we had all the trainers we were speaking to. And one, that was a majority of all questions were around that. Yeah. And then two, every single trainer I talked to had a minimum of two to five clients already on GLP-1. Wasn't it interesting? Yeah, because that's the perspective of people actually in the gyms and are working with people and coaches and all that, their perspective versus like just

Starting point is 00:16:32 your everyday average person that's heard the news reels and the hot takes of like, uh, GLP-1s and like, and so, um, it's going to be interesting to see how all of that kind of merges together. You know what else is crazy that a lot of people don't know? So a lot of people, I think we take for granted because we're in the space, we understand the difference, but a lot of people don't know that Ozempic is a brand name for a generic called semaglutide or Tuzepatide is brand name is, I don't know. I think it's Wigovie. If I'm not mistaken or Monjaro might be tuzepatide.

Starting point is 00:17:08 Of course they don't. If they did, then they would, everyone would go through a company like Transcend and buy their GLP-1. It's much reduced price. Because it's a fraction of the price. Bro, it's lightweight. It's the same exact thing. There's a lot of people, for example, that still don't know Advil is ibuprofen.

Starting point is 00:17:22 It's the same drug. If you got ibuprofen generic or you bought the brand name Advil, it's the same exact drug. Now a lot of people know that, but some people still don't know Advil is ibuprofen. It's the same drug. If you got ibuprofen generic or you bought the brand name Advil, it's the same exact drug. Now a lot of people know that, but some people still don't. A lot of people have no idea with this because the brand names,

Starting point is 00:17:33 like if you go buy ghetto Zempik from your doctor, even if insurance covers, it's like a thousand bucks a month or something like that. It's way overpriced. Versus what you could get. It's the same exact thing through FDA regulated. We're not talking about gray market. Like this is legit.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Go through a doctor, the whole deal. It's just generic versus brand name and it's a fraction of the cost, you know, by the, but which, uh, uh, we're getting a lot of messages since we launched the program from people who are, who want to follow the program and also start a GLP one at the same time. So we set something up with our link at MPHormones.

Starting point is 00:18:08 They can go there and get a discount. I believe that, I believe, and maybe Doug can correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Transcend too is putting those people at the front of the line so they can do that. Yeah, so when people purchase the program, they're gonna get a link so that they can get 30% off and priority service. But you gotta be the right person, by the way.

Starting point is 00:18:26 You wanna lose 10 pounds for the summer. We have programs for that. A little cosmetic thing. Yeah, this is not the one. Do you think there's a large percentage of people that are like that? Think about all the people that want a faster way to just lose some weight.

Starting point is 00:18:42 People want a cheat code. You know, so there's to be some of that. I hope that the majority of people actually could really benefit from it, need it, or in that category of like, I'm obese and I could really use some help. You said cheat code. You just reminded me of something that I think was last week I wanted to bring up to you guys and I had forgot about it. I saw this thing on, you know who T-Pain is, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, do you know he has a tune, dude?

Starting point is 00:19:08 Do you know that? Yeah. Honestly. But you know, he's got a great voice. He does. He does. Yeah. So that was, that was, I know that like, he's obviously notorious for being one of the guys that like abused auto tune or whatever. And that was like a knock for the long time. And then I heard him do like a regular song. He's like, yeah, really good voice. Anyways, why bring him up? Did you know he hasn't toured or done anything for like four years? Okay. Okay. He was being interviewed and asked like, you know, what's up?

Starting point is 00:19:32 Why? Why know what tours is that? There's obviously he's got a huge following of people that can make a lot of money doing it. And he's like, why is like, I make so much more money playing video games. He makes between 40 and $50,000 an hour on Twitch. Just to show up. Cause people want to play or watch it.

Starting point is 00:19:49 That makes so much sense. What a move for a celebrity on the job. I know. Hey, and supposedly. What, don't you want to play a celebrity? Hey, and supposedly. That's hilarious. He says he's not even that good,

Starting point is 00:20:01 which that is like mind-boggling. Which is cause he's well known. It could be. And I don't know if he was just like tongue in cheek-cheek. I'm not that good and maybe he's really good Yeah, but because typically the kids that I know that make a lot of money on Twitch. They're really good, right? Yeah, they're good because they're Money, yes, they're talented on the game and they're good commentators That's kind of what makes the kids want to follow someone right that they can beat all the levels

Starting point is 00:20:20 They know all the hacks and then on top of that, they have good commentary. This equals a lot of money on Twitch. I'm just trying to think about that and like you could play like a celebrity. That'd be so interesting. Right? Yeah. Because I mean, I used to just be enamored by my older brother's friends that were really good, you know, just in that aspect of it, but then like throw some like random like, bro, it's like a celebrity in there. $40,000 to $50,000 an hour.

Starting point is 00:20:48 Why wouldn't he do that? He's like, I've made so much more money playing video games than I ever did in my music career, so why would I go tour like that? I feel like that's such a play now for lots of celebrities who are kind of like, you know, you get your peak of popularity, kind of come down and be like, cool, I'm gonna go.

Starting point is 00:21:02 I also think it's, the Hawk Taw Girl's gonna be the best. I also think it's such a huge win for free market again like I think it's such a cool free market win here like here you have in the music industry everybody know there's there's like there's a lot of control and power and monopolies and there's always been that like you know fighting back on the man who's controlling all of these all these artists who they're the real artists they only get a fraction of their record sale.

Starting point is 00:21:25 So it's like, what a cool F you right back is like, you know what, I'm not gonna do no tours, I'll just play video games, because I've built up enough people that want my attention that I can play a goddamn video game in the US. That is so cool. I know, that is so cool. I still trip out that, it might be South Korea,

Starting point is 00:21:41 maybe Douglas up, they fill out stadiums for gaming. Bro, that's here. Stadiums. That's here. For people to watch. That's here. Stadiums? Yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:21:51 So remember when we had Mark Mastroff's buddy on the show. Now I know online people would be like. You know, Arco Arena gets, or the old Arco, it's not Arco Arena anymore, I forget the name of the new arena in Sacramento now. That shit fills out for fucking video games. That's so crazy. They have their own like Super Bowl event. They have their own video game leagues. Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:13 I know they do that. They own a team, yeah, in the Bay Area, forget what the name of it was. I just find that so fascinating. Yeah. No, it is. It's weird. It's so interesting. Yeah. So you go to watch them. Well, what really tripped me out was, OK, so I understood it from a kid. If I was a teenage kid, and that was a thing, so what was a big deal?

Starting point is 00:22:31 We used to buy the magazines. So game pros. Yes, when Game Pro came out, and it had the hacks to the levels, or it had codes, things like that. You love that, right? So this is a version of that. Right now, I can just go online and I can watch this kid who already beat the level, who I can watch do it,

Starting point is 00:22:49 and then now I can go do it. Now, that would be my desire outcome. So that makes sense. But I could not, for the life of me, wrap my brain around, like, why my 43-year-old best friend sits and watches these things. That's mind boggling. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:03 But it shows you just the addictive behavior of that, these things. That's mind boggling. Yes. Yeah. But it shows you just the addictive behavior of that, I guess. I know. My kids are into it, because it's like they've hacked that whole concept of upgrading your character and having exclusive skins and different avatars they could be. And they've done a masterful job of this,

Starting point is 00:23:24 like in that whatever that stupid fortnight game is yeah, and And so you get like Marvel characters and so it's like, you know now I can be Deadpool and so he's going around I don't know. I could be you know She hit she plays are you know has the new app? I want to love where your eyes is I brought up a new app about about two or three months ago to you guys I don't know if you remember it or not. I think it's called. What's not is that right? Don't what's not? It's a new app. That's like exploded in the last like six months called. What's not I think is what's called

Starting point is 00:23:55 I give is it not hit your kids yet. So this thing is like okay, so think of Instagram and snapchat all these apps that went crazy. That's this is it right this next level this I think Ethan and it's really the sneaker game. It's big now the car trading world It's big and people get followings and then they basically they basically emerged ecommerce to social So like imagine if I had everybody on my Instagram and I decide is that it right there what not dude that might be a life It's a live shopping marketplace and you can control it yourself. So, and it is like,

Starting point is 00:24:27 so I've even considered putting my sneakers. So this guy who has a following of 10,000 people, flip sneakers, he gets on there and he's basically- So it's a shopping site? Yes, but it's live and social. So it's all, and dude- Oh, that's brilliant. So the innovation I'm watching, happiness.

Starting point is 00:24:42 So my buddy, okay, again, same, my same buddy who's addicted to the video games, poor guy, I'm not gonna shell him out okay again same my same buddy's addicted to video games poor guy I'm not gonna shell him out tell him who it is It's like so wild to watch it happen to your best like my best friend I go like the childhood right and like we're we're together and we're like doing barbecue and stuff like that And he's got his phone going I can hear him. What the fuck are you watching, dude? Like we're in the middle of doing stuff, and he's still got it playing it He's like all this is this you know this guy I follow he does auctions on he opens boxes of cards

Starting point is 00:25:09 I'm like you watch a guy Please tell me why like yeah what please make it so he starts making the case for it and not that this dude's got The lexicon it's got the own lexicon of like oh, yeah, that's a whole world. Yes. And I'm like, Oh my God, bro, listen to you right now. But then here's what this guy did. They have created, this is so brilliant. Okay. So that this marketplace is a place where you can buy like cards like these, like expensive cards, right? The PSA 10 like cards. So what these guys do is they get these and you have to just, you had to pay to play. So even to be able to get a bid on one of these cards, you gotta pay say 50 bucks or a hundred dollars entry level.

Starting point is 00:25:51 But I, the guy who holds all these cards, guarantee that you'll get at least a card that's worth $25 back. That's a, you know, mint 10 card or so and so. So you know that you're spending 50 to gamble, but I guarantee you- At the very least you'll get 25 dollars. You're very least going to get some of that. And then you have the chance to get an opening

Starting point is 00:26:09 of a 1999 Topps whatever card and in there could be a Michael Jordan or it could be this or that and you could win thousand dollars or 10 dollars. So he turned it into a game. Bro, so yes, they have gamified this, and he's not the only one, this guy that I'm watching, but they have blended gambling and gamified selling and auctioning cards and dudes making. Of course, dude. Listen. So much money.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Of course. Watching like my 40-something year old best friend with a full-time career, two kids addicted to it. Like I'm like, damn bro, this is crazy. It trips me out when I go to arcades now because I'll take my little ones to arcades and the majority of the games in The arcade are like gambling style games. Yeah, they're like, yeah

Starting point is 00:26:50 Pushes it. Yeah. Yes, it's gambling. Yeah, they don't like We don't care about winning the game. They care about acquiring the tickets and things so they can go literally tapping You can go purchase a bunch of that same gambling addiction. It's a loophole. Because you can't legally set up your own gambling sites. So it's a legal way to what these people have done. It's really brilliant. It's so brilliant that I had to tell my buddy, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:27:15 why are you on this end? How much would I have to finance you to become that guy? I'll go buy the boxes of cars for you. I'll invest. You're my best friend. I'll invest $30 to $50 grand to have you go sit on these dumb sites all day long. You sucker all these people in and then cut me in, you know what I'm saying? And literally, he was game planning for it.

Starting point is 00:27:32 Okay, this is what we would do. It sounds to me like that cup and ball trick. Shell game. Shell game, it's like a shell game. It is such a, I mean, I wish I watched long enough to really be able to explain it better, because you guys just have to see it, because he's even doing things. Is he selling like they used to sell,

Starting point is 00:27:51 what's that TV show, that TV network, where they're selling products? Like the QR code. Yeah. And while it's going, other little pop-up things. QVC, yeah. QVC. You can, you can bid up a thing,

Starting point is 00:28:01 and then he's doing giveaways while it's going. I mean, this guy just runs around the clock just non-stop Hustling and it's and as long as there's people in there active and however good of a however good you are That's how much money and I and I watch my buddy my buddy's got a thing on the side It's like bid $1 $2 $3. He's just what we're talking to somebody's like just throwing dollar bills away I just you know at the chance that his might hit and then he gets it. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

Starting point is 00:28:27 Oh, I want that. Bro, it is like so crazy to me on how brilliant it is. Have you guys ever seen the bloopers on that channel, that QVC, you ever seen those bloopers where people are trying to like, and check out this ladder, it's so stable, they fall. Ah, it's all live? No, no, I haven't seen that. Oh, there all live no do you guys still have when

Starting point is 00:28:48 you go to an arcade now although they're not as common as they used to be but is there a video game and old like is there a game that if you go to the arcade you'll play oh yeah if you see it what's your game yeah gauntlet oh you play gauntlet I loved wait which one's gauntlet that's an axe guy the slay with a wizard so if you see a great game. Warrior. So if you see Gauntlet you're gonna play Gauntlet? Yeah, 100%. I would play that. Is that which one's yours? Oh yeah, I would definitely play that. That's so rare though, like you can rarely see that one. I loved that game though. X-Men I would play. I love that game. Street Fighter. If I see Street Fighter, it's over.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Although I will tell you this. What do you prefer that or Mortal Kombat? Street Fighter. Street Fighter too. By the time Mortal Kombat came out, I kind of like stopped doing it. I kind of did I tell you. Oh, really? So I'm like you. I was kind of on the way out. Yeah. Mortal Kombat. Dude, finish it. Yeah, of course. Of course. Did I? I didn't tell you guys. I was at the arcade up in Santa Cruz on a boardwalk and they have Street Fighter there and I'm there with my kid

Starting point is 00:29:45 Yeah, I'm like, oh check out this video game buddy He's like Popeyes to play this when he was a teenager and I'm playing it in another. Are you right? You I could be I'll be anybody. I could be anybody bro. Yeah, okay, but at the time I was playing guy I was on I could beat I really play everybody. Yes, but but Guile was the first guy that I loved Guile He looks like Guile I really play everybody. Yes, but but guile was the first guy that I loved guile course you Dread your dress like I'm in your camp. Oh man say Are those are those Viori? Yeah, you guys didn't know they make the camo pants camo ripstop. Yeah the ripstop pants I didn't know Viori has a believe you. Yeah, I didn't know now you always get the ripstop. That's your favorite Yeah, well, they just they're more glutes. Yeah I don't know I guess it's just because it's the most comfortable out of all.

Starting point is 00:30:28 So does I don't have any ripstop um and are they stretchy too? They're not as stretchy so like the MetaPants are more of the stretchy ones that kind of slacks but uh I think it's just because it's light it's like really light so it just feels like. So can I tell you what those are good for? If you get them to fit right squatting them now there are a little tight oh yeah kind of gives you support yours the only pants I squatted dude yeah you know back out yeah I'll shred anything that camos a little more casual but the the ripstop that like so I you wear all this these brown ones all time are those ripstop yeah so I'm assuming

Starting point is 00:31:02 though because those ones a little classier you can you dress those that do you dress them up? Do you wear them like because I wear my I wear my what I love about the metal ones Yeah, is those are like joggers comfortable, but I can wear them like with my coat I can wear a med is what I wear when I go out well And now they have the shorts the meta like version of the shorts. It's like really nice Button up in a tie with your shorts. Yeah, all right, so I want to, I gotta finish the story. So I'm playing, I'm at the arcade, I'm playing Street Fighter, I'm using Guile,

Starting point is 00:31:29 I'm showing my three year old, he's almost four, hey look, dad's awesome, and I'm beating people, and he's like, this is so cool. And another dad. No, he saw you do that. Right around my age, bro, with his son, hey, with his son, comes up, and puts a quarter in to challenge me.

Starting point is 00:31:45 Damn. No, he doesn't. Yes, he did, bro. No, he doesn't. Yes, and I know he's my generation. That's what he did. He's sticking up on the thing. He put it like right above the buttons.

Starting point is 00:31:52 Yeah, he put it on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on looked at it. I didn't even say hi nothing. Bro challenge me. Yeah you have a challenger. Chung Lee. He got serious. I'm gonna get my ass kicked by Chung Lee. Ryu of course. Oh he picked Ryu. Yeah so it was I mean. And your Guile? Yeah Guile. Wow that's a great battle. Oh it's a classic. The Yuugen. Classic. First guy's getting Baruugen. How'd you do? I beat him. Oh you did? Oh yeah. Oh so much. So first I beat him and dude. Oh, you did? Oh, yeah. So first I beat him, and it was like, oh, it was actually two to one. You couldn't really tell the story if you lost. So I win one, he wins one, I win one, he loses.

Starting point is 00:32:32 Hey, you mean mug his kid right after you do it too? No, I said. Yeah. They just learned a lesson today, son. My son pushes his son. You king. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Get him. Get him. Get your son a shirt says my dad can beat up your dad. It's like the bumper sticker for the honor roll kids. Like my kid can beat up your honor roll kid. I'm all trying to be the nice guy. Son, son, we don't do that to losers. No, but I won.

Starting point is 00:32:59 He puts a quarter in and I did the most asshole thing of all time. He puts another quarter in to play me again. Like, Oh, we got to take off. Cause I'm just warming up. Sorry, bro. My son's my son. Wait, we definitely are in a new thing. I, and I have to remember, I got to write it down. I wrote this one down so I wouldn't forget cause the, the, the sayings and the sentences and the things are flying right on the latest.

Starting point is 00:33:24 He was like, I was looking around, he's trying to find Wiggler. Wiggler is one of his, one of the characters from Mario. We have like every character from Mario that's ever existed. I didn't know that one. Wiggler? There's characters you guys have no idea about.

Starting point is 00:33:36 I mean, obviously. I thought I knew everything about Mario. I've seen him, but I don't know the names. You guys have no idea. It's a whole world. It is a whole world. I mean, we're up to like, I think, 75 stuffed animals that are like characters from Mario that you don't have no idea the whole world. It is a whole world I mean we're up to like I think 75 stuffed animals that are like

Starting point is 00:33:46 Characters from Mario that you don't have no idea Where did he get that that trait of collecting things? I'm not feeding this addiction by the way Because it's like I think we've talked about this before like you you win some you lose some with with grandparents right like yeah oh people they know he likes it's my it's my mother-in-law and my mother-in-law sees him every single Monday she's seen him that way you get one every Monday every Monday oh every single Monday which I know so it's like this thing that I'm like torn like my I guess the thing that I've accepted and justifies that this is this very special

Starting point is 00:34:26 connection and bond that he has with him. I'm not pro it. I'm not a fan of it, stuff like that, but it's something that he absolutely adores. And then I also see the amazing benefit of it is like, because Katrina and I, at any point ever in the week or any time, we go like, hey, you know what, we need a break from our son or we want to go have a dinner date. He's excited to go see Nana. I mean, it can be anytime I want to go see Nana good idea He's excited to go see Nana like I mean it can be anytime I want to go see Nana and she's trained that so there's I get perks out of it, right? So, of course. So anyways Wiggler is missing and we're like, I'm trying to help him find a son. I don't know. Did you leave in the car? He doesn't know daddy. I can't find it and he stops in the room. He's like, it's like a bad dream

Starting point is 00:35:10 What it's like a bad dream. What? It's like a bad dream. We can't find, we're not even coming from you. So he's been doing that lately. Now he's got these new things that he puts together and says, and he's so he's like, I don't know how to, I don't know how I communicate that. Right. It's like, he's starting to really understand, right. Understand what that even means. Right. It's like we went, we're, we went, we're moving out of the phase of like saying words and knowing what things are. Yeah, more abstract. Yeah, exactly. More abstract. Thank you. That's the words I'm gonna play. Like there are more abstract ideas to say that. Like he knows that this sucks. And he goes, this is like a bad dream. That's so cute. bad dream. So dude, speaking of, so, uh, my kids, uh,

Starting point is 00:35:47 the first time we've ever thrown a party where we actually included the kids, uh, was just recently at the 70s party. Yeah. Oh, normally, I mean, you sent them away. Yeah, normally we, yeah, they'll, they'll go to their friend's house. We go to my parents' house, like whatever. And it's like, you know, cause adults, it just seems like it's, it's not really like that. They're not gonna have a lot to do. It's house, we go to my parents house, like whatever. And it's like, you know, cause adults, it just seems like it's, it's not really like that. They're not gonna have a lot to do. It's like, we're chatting, we're having some drinks, we're playing loud music. Yeah. They're just gonna be playing video games off the corner or whatever. And so, uh, we, we actually structured this party

Starting point is 00:36:17 around, you know, being more like inviting for kids and like, so kids can come and then adults in like, even, uh, like the parents. And I'm like, dude, this is such a weird eclectic, uh, group of people. Like, we had like all these different like, uh, walks of life, all kind of in one place. And so it's like themed the seventies and all that. And so it kind of, you know, how it helps I guess for like some of the ice breaking stuff, like people kind of show up in ridiculous outfits and whatnot. But it was just funny for me to see like how much my kids

Starting point is 00:36:51 enjoyed it. And we're like really into like the dancing part of it, because it was like all disco and stuff. And like, it was funny. Were they on the dance floor? They're on the dance floor, like doing the Travolta and all this. And like're like, where'd they even learn this? You know? And they're like, doing all these crazy moves and stuff. Do a funny part though, the whole night. And I don't know if I told you guys this, but like, so we kind of tried to plan it out. So we had a DJ, and we had like, you know, all this stuff going on with the pool.

Starting point is 00:37:18 So you had like kind of pool party, and you had like, you know, music and all this kind of stuff going on. But it was like a sort of X factor. Courtney told me, she's like, whoa, you know, towards later in the night when like kids are gone, whatever, we're going to bring in like a dancer, like a go-go dancer.

Starting point is 00:37:32 I'm like, oh yeah? That's a good idea. I'm like, I got this picture in my head of what this go-go dancer was going to be on our like curved stairs doing like sexy things or whatever. And I'm just looking around, I don't see any go-go dancer or whatever,

Starting point is 00:37:51 and then there's this one guy I just didn't know. I'm like, do you know this guy? And he's a really good dancer, and he's doing this thing and all this. And I come to find out later, like that's the dancer's a dude! And he's got this disco helmet and like he's got this full cape and everything and he's just like You know getting people he was a total hype man, but like what a brilliant idea I did not a bad. It was really smart that she did that but it was that part out. She left that part out

Starting point is 00:38:23 Like I'm thinking like nightclub, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but yeah, she was, she was right. She, she was, she made, but, but didn't tell me that I think she strategically didn't tell me that, you know, like, you know, I was like, well, whatever. I didn't care. But, uh, yeah, it was, it actually was a, was great. He went out and he was grabbing people, pulling them to the, to the dance floor. Really good dancer. Nice guy. You don't actually even know that was a job. Really brilliant. Yeah. Job and strategy. I would have never thought about that. I didn't know that's a job that exists. I know, right? So somebody's job is to come to your party. He's trying to make it a job, you know, to be fair. Like we're trying to kind of like help like, you know, spread the word for him. Or does he actually have like a website? So yeah, Working on my wife hired a go-go. You mean she picked out a cute guy at the gym It's at my party. He's on a taxi my friend. It's alright. He's I don't think he's into women, but it's my buddy Who's between jobs right now?

Starting point is 00:39:20 He was a good dancer. He's not into women. Yeah, but yeah So you they're at like a wine bar, her sister, and they're like trying to plan all this stuff for the party. And this guy was there working and he was like, you know, eavesdropping. And it was just like, oh yeah, like you guys have a party. He's like, well, and he's been like working deliberately on disco dancing. It was like, you know, I'm, I'm right now learning. It's so hard to read. It's so random, dude. And she is like, you know, I'm I'm right now learning it's so

Starting point is 00:39:47 Random dude, and she's like He like do some moves real quick right there in the coffee shop? Like, wait a minute, we need to see if you know what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me a hype reel or something. I have no idea. I wasn't there, dude. I didn't make this decision.

Starting point is 00:40:13 Hey, so you're at the party, some guy shows up, you don't recognize him at all. Don't know him. And you're just like, whatever. Dude, he was not threatening. That's how it is. That's how it gets you, bro. So they're like, yeah, sure, go ahead and use my name. I'm gonna use your name. I'm gonna use your name. Dude, he was not threatening. That's how it gets you, bro.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Yeah, sure. Go ahead and use my master bedroom. Where are my watches? We have nothing valuable there, dude. Nothing. The whole house is empty. That's a good point. He was all just low risk.

Starting point is 00:40:39 I was like, people could smash stuff. That was the other thing. That's his plan B. Plan A was to rob you. Plan B was like, well, they don't got shit. I'm just going to dance. Cool. I'll make a few hundred bucks. Yeah. He had a good time. That's so awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was totally random. Actually a really good idea for a business idea. We host a lot of parties, right? And there's always that uncomfortable moment of getting people to dance. You would like

Starting point is 00:41:06 this guy. Hey, hire a rat like a juggler. Just to show up. Who's that guy over there? Whoa, look at the guy. Hey, that to me, I just, is he your uncle? When you throw a party and you mix lots of groups of people, friends and family and stuff like that, I'm a big fan of hiring people, things, or activities because it actually just kind of does it. It breaks the rules.

Starting point is 00:41:29 I thought that alcohol did that. I thought that's what alcohol was for. Yeah, but not a lot of people are into that. People will stand around and drink in their little high school. We had jello shots, you know what I'm saying? But if you bring somebody who does something, it always tends to do that.

Starting point is 00:41:41 I mean, we do that. So I didn't know who you were dressed as. I saw your costume. I thought you were, sorry, I thought you were Kieris George, the Kieris George guy. Anyway, but then you told me it was Burt Reynolds lounging around. I remember that picture of Burt.

Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah, it's a cool party Burt Reynolds. You look like a stud, bro. You're just like, just, what a great picture they took of you. Yeah, that was all the camera angles, so I appreciate that. No, I think that was, that's what you look like, dude. Tight, you look close on. Oh, dude, everything about 70, it's like tight gear. Where did you find the clothes?

Starting point is 00:42:13 Where'd you go? Well, you know what's funny about that? Because it's like, I was just like, look, I had no idea where I was going to go with this. I was like, do I do like smoking the Bandit, you know, burnt rounds? Yeah, that would have been good. But it was like some ad, and this guy was like, just in this ridiculous, and it was like some ad and this guy was like, you know, just in this like ridiculous,

Starting point is 00:42:28 it was like the material that's towel material, whatever you call that, but Terry cloth. Yeah, sure. And then like corduroy bell bottom. What were they thinking? I don't, I have no idea, but then you put it on and again, like you say that I had a lot of compliments and then like Courtney had a lot of compliment like everybody that was wearing like this ugly. It looked great on everybody It was all body. You're on to something. Yeah, you know like it was like all form-fitting It wouldn't look good if you weren't if you weren't Jack, bro. I look good on well. Yeah, thanks I mean, there's no doubt in my mind in 20 years We'll look back to what the hell we're dressed right now and we're gonna make fun of that too

Starting point is 00:43:04 So it's just kind of how it works But I love it when movies try to depict the future and they go way off in the future. Everyone's gonna wear tin foil Everybody wears triangles. It's like big triangles What happened like a fashion revolution that's not gonna be obnoxious at all, you know, just like pointing in everything Yeah, I hate when movies do that. I exactly. It ruins a good movie. It's like, come on, why would you do that? Yeah. No, I knew Nanu. I saw, I saw the way that's a good reference right there for people that know what is that? More commitment. That's a great one. Um, I've been seeing this note on our notes for the show for a while. You don't

Starting point is 00:43:41 bring it up. It's making me annoyed. I want to know about the fire ant predator fly. Oh yeah. So it sounds fire and fire ants predator fly. That's what the notes are. Rabbit holes of like creatures, you know, and I was just a real one or did you get tricked like last time? He does real. Okay. Yeah. When was the last time I had to go one time? I had a caterpillar. Oh, some guy put two of them. That kept me up at night though.

Starting point is 00:44:06 I was freaked out, dude. I was so mad about that one. He's gonna put it out in nature? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause dude, fire ants are so interesting. So you know how they clump up and they make these balls? Yes. When it rains.

Starting point is 00:44:20 And this is how they survive anything. The hilarious part is like, literally, they say that cockroaches after nuclear fallout are gonna be like the only thing left. You know fire ants. Yeah, cuz they they'll they'll dominate Cockroaches, they'll eat them. They they're tough. They're indestructible. You know how much they lift Yeah, they're their body so many times their body. So I was wrong. I was telling my kids a great grossly exaggerated I was like 60 times their body weight. My wife telling my kids, I great, grossly exaggerated. I was like 60 times their body weight. My wife's like, really? Let me look it up. No, it's not like 10. It's like 10 times their body weight. Oh, I actually thought it was that or more. So did I, did I hear that

Starting point is 00:44:53 somewhere? I heard that so many times when they're bonded together, it's like, carry like a cracker, bro. That's like that. There's gotta be more. Those are leaf cutter answer. 20 times according to this one. Three times? 20. 20 times. Okay, so it's still more than 10.

Starting point is 00:45:09 Is that the strongest ant or do we have levels of strength here? I don't know if they've tested the ants. I think any of them on maps are anabolic. I was just going to say if you examine the exercise routines of ants. Proper programming. I think the strongest insect pound for pound is a dung beetle. Yeah. Am I correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. Am I right? A dung beetle. Yeah, a dung beetle. They're pretty impressive. They go, they get up on their, on their front legs, push backwards

Starting point is 00:45:35 and roll big ass- Elephant shit. Balls of shit. Oh yeah. It's usually elephant shit. Listen to this. They can pull up to 1,141 times their own body weight. Dude. 1,111. Wow, that's a lot, dude. Hold on. It's nuts. So like, if you, like, let's say you weigh 200 pounds. I gotta figure this out. You ever do this?

Starting point is 00:45:51 So it's like if an average man was lifting two fully loaded 18-wheel trucks. That's insane, bro. Don't they look like scarabs, kind of? Like, if I'm trying to picture a man. They're gross. See, when you hear things like that, right? And we haven't figured out, like, don't you have, like,

Starting point is 00:46:07 does your, as is your nerdy science mind go, like, there's still more that we could hack into and figure out that we're- Our potential's not even achieved. Right. Like, yeah, when you see, when we, there's examples of animals that can do things that we can't figure out or haven't built. Does that not make your brain go, like, at one day day will we have the capacity or the ability to do it? I don't know if we'd ever be able to generate that much strength.

Starting point is 00:46:30 We'll outsource it, you know, we'll find ways to get external sources. Well, there's limitations on, because I have thought about this. I did not know. Look at, I'm glad you asked that. I'm glad you're on it. I've actually pondered this.

Starting point is 00:46:41 I've been thinking about this for, in fact, I actually wrote a small paper on this, if you want to see. I was going gonna sell a supplement. So because of our muscle attachments bone how we have flesh on the outside whereas beetles are like there's physics to this. There's always so strong. Our bones have to change their composition. Anyway back to the fire ants. So, um, yeah, but they've, so they, they, they keep trying. The only way you can get rid of them for the most part is like, they take like boiling hot wax and then they like pour it down the hole and then

Starting point is 00:47:15 like wait until it, uh, cools off and then they dig it out. So like, you know, yeah, it takes away the whole colony. Cause like, yeah, but so one new way that they've figured out how to get rid of them, which is creepy and it reminds me a lot of the zombie effect that you get from like cordyceps, but what they found is this one fly in particular, I don't remember what it was called this fly, but like they're, they're now breeding this fly trying to then, uh, release it where these high volume places of fire ants, it will fly and then literally implant their eggs inside them.

Starting point is 00:47:55 And when it lands on these fire ants, and then it'll eat them from within until their head basically pops off. What? Well, that's fucked up. Yeah, it's pretty messed up. What? What? What are you? And everybody's like, yay, we're gonna get rid of fire ants. Until their head basically pops off Like we just created Horrible nightmare of a fly like that's disturbing You know I was like why we always fuck with nature Where did you read this or where did you watch? I?

Starting point is 00:48:23 Was like watching some nature documentary. That is so... It just like blew my mind. Katrina let me watch more of those. She doesn't let you watch it? She hates it, huh? Yeah, yeah. That's it.

Starting point is 00:48:33 Her and I are so aligned on so many things that we watch. I love that we get along so well. But there's a few things, and I think that's why I always say okay, because everything else we watch together and we like. So there's not a lot of things she doesn't like that I I like that's the one thing I like she doesn't like you know what I saw that disturbed like hell Out of me. I don't know how I saw it was on it was on a reel or something Do you know how they get horse semen have you seen this you know this because you worked on the farm Yes, they get the horse to mount another horse and then they switch it out

Starting point is 00:49:01 They move it to the side. Yeah, and they have like like a sling funnel thing and there's a person that just yeah Yeah, dude and holds it and the horses say her doesn't even know any better Yeah, and they take it off and it's that yeah, dude. I saw a whole video and there's people that do that That's your job. Your job is to go. You watch the whole video. There was a clip. It wasn't very long I saw people were sharing the last time you brought up the was it rhinoceroses how they scratched their belly or was it elephants or whatever? Yeah, I saw you. I saw people.

Starting point is 00:49:33 I figured that out. Yeah. Yeah. After you said that, I wanted to make sure people, but there's videos of that. I want to make sure people with to go. Yes. They use the scratcher. They can't have that much control.

Starting point is 00:49:44 Yes. It's like they articulated. Yes, they use it to scratch their belly. They can't have that much control. Yes. It's like they articulate it. Yes. It's a thing. As Justin said that, I got tagged on like three different videos. Yeah. Wow. And I saw, I was like, oh my god. Still not as disturbing as the big booty goats.

Starting point is 00:49:55 That's the worst. Oh, then that's just, yeah. The big booty goats. What was that? We showed you the big booty goats. The juicy booty goats. Yeah, that's disturbing. That's the most disturbing.

Starting point is 00:50:03 That was dumb. That was dumb. No. Just that they're both like, it's not dumb. I mean, as we're That's the most disturbing. That was dumb, that was dumb. No, just that I had both legs. I mean, as we're chilling. People are buying. You guys were overly fascinated with that. I was like, no, not that.

Starting point is 00:50:10 No, I'm just like, there's a market for this. That's where our content diverts. I mean, I'm watching different stuff. You know what I saw that was cool today? I saw that Honda made a private jet. That looks cool and really reasonable. Look up the price on it. Honda? Honda?

Starting point is 00:50:22 Yeah, Honda. Honda's in the private jet game. Bro, when you say things like really reasonable, are you like, is it really reasonable? Or is it, would the average person be like, that's reasonable? Or is it more like, if you're a millionaire, or a billionaire, it's reasonable?

Starting point is 00:50:34 I don't mean that by reasonable. Like financially, it's just like reasonably. Compared to other. Yeah, compared to things that you're watching. You guys are watching giant butts on goats. Oh, you mean price. Yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm not saying you like it. are watching giant plots on goats. Oh, you mean price. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:50:46 We're fascinated by the absurd. You like tangible, like bougie things. We got it. Different news feeds for sure. Yeah, definitely. Only five to six million dollars. Is that what it is? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:59 Wow. Now, are you, when you buy a Honda jet, private jet, is it like, you roll up with that jet, are you like the guy that all the other jet owners make fun of? Yeah, they just go like, Pfft. Yeah, oh, there's a problem. Honda. But that sounds crazy, though,

Starting point is 00:51:13 because that's not cheap at all. That's like, so if it's not expensive, it's up there with some of the other, What does it compete against, is what I wanna know. You know what I mean? It competes against what? What's the expensive one? Yeah, what's the one that everybody's talking about?

Starting point is 00:51:27 Golf, golf stream is it? Nah, G7? Yeah, the G something. Yeah, you're right. G7 I think. Is it G7? Remember, it was at the end of Tropic Thunder where he's giving them the jet. Yeah, that's how I know about that.

Starting point is 00:51:40 Otherwise. Did I tell you guys the point about Rolls Royce? Did I tell you guys about that, about where they advertise? No. That was really interesting. Yeah. I thought I shared maybe the clip with you guys or something with that. This guy, it was actually a sales, a sales club. I've actually shared it on the mind pump trainer page. He has a lot of good sales training and he was actually talking about brand and

Starting point is 00:51:58 like the power of it and being where your customers are and everything. And, uh, you know, you brought up a point that I guess I'd never even thought about. I was like, have you ever seen a Rolls Royce ad before? No. Never, right? And I also haven't, and part of the reason why I haven't is I've never shot for a private jet before.

Starting point is 00:52:14 I guess anytime a new private jet is released, there's always Rolls Royce there advertising their car or their brand or the new... I saw it. Wasn't there, I don't know if you brought this up or there, cause there was somebody that worked on like yachts and was like, they don't do any advertising obviously, but like even then they own, they all know each other. Yeah. And so it's just like this closed circle. You are right. It was reasonable. Like typical jets are like 20, 30,

Starting point is 00:52:41 40, 70 million. So when you roll up in a five million dollar Honda private jet. You're like the Prius economy. You're like the dude that pulled up in that. Hey listen, I was looking at it, like what it's capable of, the distance. It's actually the fastest private jet. So speed wise, it's supposed to go faster than these 20, 70 million dollars. By the way, I was up in Truckee, right? There's a private jet, there's a private airplane

Starting point is 00:53:07 or airport there. So one of the guys I was with has flown in to Truckee before to meet a client of his, he does financial, most of my family and friends are on these financial advisors, and he flew in on a private jet to meet with this guy or whatever, and he's like, dude, when they get over the mountains, they have to make a pretty steep downturn down like downturn in a bomb. Yeah, that sucks Yeah

Starting point is 00:53:35 That looks cool and the and the speed I think it's like 450 miles an hour Which I think is I think so small though, right? Like it's gonna get some turbulence Do when are we gonna get the supersonic ones rolling out? Like I keep hearing all these whims that they're engineering them. See I get scared How many seats in there is that for just for so no you fit more now. Is it I think that's just one section right there Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't know man. I'm not too keen on flying in a tiny plane. I know I Mean you feel everything. That's right. Yeah Yeah, no, I agree yeah but

Starting point is 00:54:06 don't you get to don't you have different like flight rules than like a commercial jet like where you wear how low or where you can fly and so I don't I don't know do you know Doug I don't know no idea who wasn't in here that was gonna get a pilot license at one point was that you Doug did you consider that nobody me I probably try to get Doug to do that. That's what it was. Oh, yeah. I think you were trying to talk to him. I think I tried to convince him to do that.

Starting point is 00:54:29 Or, hey. Because that's half the expense is paying a pilot all the time. Hey, that's it. Go-go dancing. Doug can move. We just found out about that business. Go-go dancing private jet. Yeah, Doug shows up in a Propeller Ride.

Starting point is 00:54:41 He's the hype man. In case this producer thing doesn't work out. Yeah. Good idea. That's not a bad idea. doesn't work out. Yeah, good idea. That's just not a bad idea. So we shout out, who are we going to shout out? Oh, Dr. Stephanie Estima. Yes. We just had her in the studio.

Starting point is 00:54:51 Incredible. Interviewed her. I've been on her podcast twice. She's exceptional. What's her Instagram? What is that? I was supposed to look it up. You were supposed to look up her Instagram and then maybe her podcast would be nice? Yeah, so it's doctor.stephanie.estima, E-S-T-I-M-A.

Starting point is 00:55:09 Yep. And then we have her podcast. You know what her podcast is called? Yeah. Yes, I have that as well. It's called Better With Dr. Stephanie. Yeah, she's so functional medicine. She knows her stuff.

Starting point is 00:55:21 She also lifts. She used to compete. She understands nutrition, exercise, way more than the typical functional meditation. She sounds like too, she's a menopause expert. Sounds like she spends a lot of time talking about it. She's focused a lot on perimenopause and menopause. She's an awesome follower.

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Starting point is 00:56:09 What is the best approach to calisthenics for building muscle and how often can you train with this style? You know calisthenics really just refers to bodyweight style exercises really at their core they are strength training exercises the the at their core, they are strength training exercises. The one challenge you have with some calisthenics is the amount of resistance you can apply to your body for certain movements. So this would be the criticism that they'll get for building muscle. It's like, well, you know, you can bench way heavier than you can push up and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:56:41 There's a lot of creative ways to manipulate a movement and make the resistant heart resistance harder. I think if you're trying to build muscle with calisthenics, work your way up to high tension exercises. Those are the best for building muscle for hypertrophy. So these are exercises we're doing lower reps because they're very challenging versus exercises where you're doing 50, 60 reps. I would say that's probably the one negative about the calisthenics.

Starting point is 00:57:06 You have to get creative. Um, and so a lot of people don't have that sort of thought process of how to intensify this exercise, how to use gravity against you a little more effectively. Um, there are the tools. So it depends too. Is it just body weight? Like, am I just, you know, right? Can I use a suspension trainer? Can I use a pull up? Can I use the rings? Can I do,

Starting point is 00:57:30 because then we're talking about a whole nother level of intensity and like, you know, being able to challenge the muscles in your body in an entirely different way. And I think that there's so much value to that in a way you can really progress into a crazy level of strength. But again, if we're just talking about calisthenics for building muscle and it's just like my bodyweight training in space, you're gonna have a pretty challenging time getting specific muscle groups,

Starting point is 00:57:59 especially the lats and your posterior chain. So the thing that, I'm trying to think the best way I'd articulate this for the average person who doesn't understand programming, right? Like so if you unpack like it, because the same rules still apply. It's not like- Exactly.

Starting point is 00:58:14 So progressive loads have to be in there. Yeah, the same rules apply that in order for the body to build muscle, it's not like your muscular system knows that, oh, he's lifting iron, therefore we're gonna add muscle. It's like- It's not like your muscular system knows that, oh, he's lifting iron, therefore we're going to add muscle. It's like it recognizes the tension and the resistance that the body is going on. It says, oh, we need to adapt to build muscle. But you just run out of room when you're just using your body weight.

Starting point is 00:58:36 But the same rules apply. In other words, if I was doing a calisthenic program to mirror maps anabolic, it would like phase one, I'd have to find a way to do a chest, like you can't just do push-ups because I could do 50 plus push-ups really easy. So how do I make a push-up type exercise so challenging? I can only get five. So what would that look like? And so using what Justin's example with rings, oh, if I were doing like deep ring dips with my body weight, or if I was allowed to like use a weight under my legs and do a body weight, they're like, okay, now I could find a way to do a form of calisthenics to rep you to replicate what a 225 bench for five would look like for me.

Starting point is 00:59:18 So I, you have to be able to do that. Right? So if you were going by in order to try and compete with what weights can do for hypertrophy You'd be surprised how far you could get if you have that creative mind You're open to using tools like that. You understand the principles of programming Then you would you would follow the same protocol as like an anabolic program Only you have to find ways to create that level of tension and difficulty to keep your body in that rep range right now the less the the that level of tension and difficulty to keep your body in that rep range.

Starting point is 00:59:45 Right. Now, the less the, the, the, as the tension is lighter, if exercises start to get easier, add more tension, figure out a way more, add more tension or, and add frequency. So calisthenics, especially when you get good at pushups, you get good at body weight squats, you get good at, you know, pull ups, even for some people, you can do them pretty frequently. So I've seen pretty good for general muscle strength and fitness calisthenics routines that tend to be 25, 30 minute routines, five days a week type of deal. Frequency seems to work pretty well with this style of training. However, if you do what Adam and Justin were talking about where you add rings and bars and you add tension, now it's more like a traditional strength training program where you're going

Starting point is 01:00:28 in, you're targeting an exercise or a muscle group with high tension, you're really getting a workout there and then you rest it. And the example that we have that this exists is have you ever seen what a gymnast, a dude gymnast or a ring guy looks like? I mean they're jacked. Oh they look like bodybuilders. Yeah and they do something incredible. I've never seen one not jacked. They do some very high tension

Starting point is 01:00:46 exercises like the Iron Cross places tremendous stretch tension on the bicep and so they say it's one of the biggest bicep builders. Pull ups too, tons and tons of tons of pull ups. Next question is from Enzor1515, are inversion tables and boots worth it? Have you guys had a client use inversion tables? I've used them before Yeah, yeah. No, I mean there's a place for it. Yeah, you have somebody who's like Compressed I mean the traction. Yeah, that's where that's it. That's the value. Yeah, I mean you're not You're not fixing anything. You're it's like it's it's kind of like I would put in the category of foam rolling, right? so

Starting point is 01:01:22 using a foam roller to before I go in and do corrective exercises and work, lots of value, right? Calm the central nervous system down, relax that area, it's all tense, opens it up for now, allows me to go in and do the work to help work on stuff. If I have like, let's say like a compressed disc that limits my ability or causes like nerve stuff going on in my in my low back area or something like that, I go, oh man, when I open that up, boy that really releases that. That allows me then to go do work. It's not like gravity boots does something special. No, it's the value of traction.

Starting point is 01:01:53 And traction essentially is, I mean, if I were to give Justin's wrist traction, I would grab his hand and pull it away from his forearm. I'm just kind of creating space in the joint. So when you're laying upside down, you're creating traction in your, the main areas are the spine and the hips. You're going to get some traction in the hips. Some people get, start to develop problems with their hips

Starting point is 01:02:15 with impingement and whatnot. So it can be beneficial to create a little traction, a little space. And then mainly the spine. Like if you have a herniated disc or an impinged nerve, by the way, you'll know because you'll do some, you'll lay back on one of these or even just have a chiropractor or someone just create traction with you. And all of a sudden you'll feel that burning pain, that nerve pain that people tend to start to dissipate. But if you don't combine it with correctional exercise,

Starting point is 01:02:39 it's just the temporary fix. And it's something you have to do all the time to get the benefit of. But if you can use traction, like you said Adam, in a way to where I'm creating a little space in between the discs, now your nerve is not being fired on, okay, let's do some exercises now. You'll mobilize it, yeah. That's right. Work on that stability.

Starting point is 01:02:59 That's right. And then now we're using it together. So in my experience, I know, I worked with some really good correctional exercise individuals that use inversion tables. I don't have a ton of experience using them on clients, but through this individual, he would explain to me how he would do it.

Starting point is 01:03:15 And he would, in some cases, do an inversion table before working out, so they can get into certain movements. And in other cases, he would use it afterwards, because there were people he worked with where after doing certain exercises. They started locking up. Yeah, they would lock up and the traction that relaxed kind of, you know, hanging position kind of prevented that. Next question is from Ibrahim J 201. When should you use a foam roller, therapy gun,

Starting point is 01:03:40 or stretching for recovery? therapy gun or stretching for recovery? Foam roller and therapy gun are best used right before a workout to allow for greater ranges of motion and better technique and form. So to give you an example, some people will notice that they can get greater depth in their squats. If they foam roll, their IT band, what the foam rolling essentially does when you're pushing on an area, the central

Starting point is 01:04:06 nervous system eventually sends a signal that says, relax that area. The muscle softens. Now it's not firing as hard as it used to. Now you can do a movement the way you're supposed to. The key here is to figure out why was it firing the way it wasn't supposed to begin with. That's typically because there's some kind of a imbalance or movement pattern issue. Stretching, if it's static stretching, in most cases is at the end. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:31 Mainly just to kind of get in that parasympathetic state. And it's great too to dampen that signal so you're not so protective because it's really just trying to protect you by staying tense and tight. Really allow you to kind of rest, recover. I think, you know, static stretching at the ends is great for that. But yeah, it's, I mean the foam roller and the therapy gun, like I was totally misusing that like when I was first introducing it to my clients all the time. And it was just like one of those go-to's thinking you had to do that continuously. This is the fix.

Starting point is 01:05:03 This is the fix. We're correcting, but you're not correcting. We're just, we're allowing that opportunity now to gain that range of motion. I mean, I totally did that. I, shoot, I did it myself for years. So did I. Before playing basketball, I had really, I used, brought up IT, and like I had to do it

Starting point is 01:05:18 in order to play basketball. But I never went in and addressed my hip mobility and hip strength. Which is why it was tight. Which is why it was tight. And I talk about this all the time on the show that that all came when I unlocked my squat depth. When I started doing 90 90s, I unlocked my squat depth. That ability to go into a deep squat now allowed me to strengthen all the muscles that surround around my hip and support my hips.

Starting point is 01:05:42 No longer ever had to full roll my IT ever again. So it's like crazy when you actually, otherwise I had to full roll every single time I played basketball because I wasn't addressing the root cause, I was just putting a bandaid on. By the way, static stretching is excellent before bed. I was just gonna say that's the point, I do it. So post-workout right before bed.

Starting point is 01:06:00 Now because it induces a parasympathetic state, so if you have, if you feel while you're sleeping anxious or tight or restless, sometimes static stretching for 15 minutes gets the CNS to calm down and put you in that relaxed place. By the way, with all of these, it's important you yourself relax while you're doing them and you breathe slowly. Because sometimes people will get into a,

Starting point is 01:06:23 use a foam roller and it hurts. They're trying to achieve a range of motion. Sometimes people will get into a, use a foam roller and it hurts. They're trying to achieve a range of motion. They're really pushing it. They're gritting and making it like a sympathetic movement, actually fighting the fact that they're trying to go parasympathetic. It's super, it's so much more effective.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Counterproductive, yeah. To relax your face and breathe through it and let your body get into that parasympathetic state. Next question is from Pete Kendrick one after so many years in the fitness industry what are some of the things that still get you excited about it? Great question. It is a good question and maybe because we just talked about it in this episode that this is on my mind but I can't remember the last time that I was this curious and excited, also maybe even nervous about the peptide in particular GLP-1 market, I think that is probably one of the most disrupting

Starting point is 01:07:15 things I've ever seen in my career. Yeah, super new. There's a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff that does not excite me. When you talk about fitness trends as far as group fitness classes, about tools like tonal, talking about guns and massage stuff, and supplements, the latest thing, none of that excites me. That's all rebranded same stuff I've seen forever. Nothing's revolutionary. The most revolutionary thing I feel I've seen in a long time is the introduction of these peptides. Yeah, good, bad, or otherwise it's going to have a huge impact.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Yeah, in particular BPC-157 and semi-glutide I find as massive disruptors in the fitness health space because of the recovery abilities from BPC and because of what semi-glutide is doing to the obese, and we have an obese epidemic right now. Yeah, I would agree. It's the new thing, but it's not just the new thing. It's this thing that's got real massive cultural worldwide implications, but there's another thing in the fitness space that has always gotten me excited.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Now it's changed and morphed just because the space does but it's always it's it's it has existed as long as I've been in the space and that's personal training coaching and it's taken on different form now now you have online coaching which didn't really exist when I was a trainer but I love it it still gets me excited the most exciting thing that we do is when we're talking to coaches and trainers. That's, that's, that was my passion. That's good.

Starting point is 01:08:49 Yeah. And it was my passion and it still is because it never gets old. It never gets old because people are always fascinating to me. And when you're coaching and training people, you are mastering how you help guide and lead someone to making these really hard changes. There's very few things in the world that people attempt as often as weight loss and fail as often as weight loss or keeping it off. It's like a massive fail rate and yet people try all the time. So to me it's always fascinating. Can we get

Starting point is 01:09:19 better? Can we find better ways of coaching people? Can we find better strategies? What are we saying wrong? What are we doing wrong? What are we doing right? And so it's never-ending fascinating information. Yeah, it just seems to me that what we're finding and what we've found forever is like this is such a human behavioral aspect that needs connection with another human being. And all these AI trends and all of these software programs and all of these things we've tried to offload that responsibility to has not worked.

Starting point is 01:09:53 And I just don't, I don't see that until there's a real personable aspect to that where they can peer into like the confidence of that individual releasing that information of like, here's my very personal habits and here's what my tendencies are. And the coach is the one that's continuously extracting that. And I just, I don't see that working any other way

Starting point is 01:10:23 in the foreseen future. So that does excite me in that sense. I can't believe I missed that. I can't believe I missed that as probably the most exciting thing right now. I guess I was thinking more about things that the fitness space has introduced like new or whatever. But that excites me about, in particular, our business.

Starting point is 01:10:40 It also, you know, is one of the ways that we can generally impact the world positively. When you think about it, there's not like we, if we go out and you know, right now we have what 850 to 900 or so trainers underneath us that we're helping those 900 trainers. If they have, even if they are just have a small following of a few hundred people or they have clients that they're going to train over there and we impact their lives positively and get them to be better coaches and better trainers. Indirectly the amount of people that were technically able to help that way, that's really that's pretty cool.

Starting point is 01:11:14 We felt such a deficiency you know especially the last few years of being away from everybody. It's like it is really brought that to the forefront of how necessary it is that human that to the forefront of how necessary it is to have human, real human connection. Yeah. Look, the data stands at this like 90%, maybe a little more of people who lose weight end up gaining it back. So that's a fail rate of at least 10%.

Starting point is 01:11:39 I believe with my entire heart, and I would put money on this, that good coaches, a decent coach, not the best. I'm not talking about the best ever. Just someone who does a good job, who knows what they're doing. Somebody who's got the passion for it, but understands how to communicate properly, understands the strategies, knows how to avoid pitfalls and forecasts and all that stuff, manages their business and works with people well, should at least, at least quadruple that if not more.

Starting point is 01:12:02 I think a 50% success rate is reasonable. And that represents tens of millions, if not hundreds of million people every single year who attempt and fail. We could save, we could help get them on the right path. And I can't think, there's very few things that I can think of that could have a more positive impact on everything than getting everybody healthier.

Starting point is 01:12:28 Like, think about that right now. If we could get everybody healthier, what else would that change? Well, that changes. Well, there's nothing that wouldn't change. Does it change everything in a more positive way? Everything. So it always gets me excited. And I start getting esoteric with it because I get so excited.

Starting point is 01:12:43 But I'm excited to be working with coaches and trainers. I can't wait to see what that ends up turning into. Look, if you love the show, find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump to Stefan Owen Adams at Mind Pump. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos,

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