Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2418: The OPTIMAL Evening Routine to Build Muscle, Burn Body Fat, & Feel Energized! (Instagram Follower Coaching)

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: The OPTIMAL evening routine to build muscle, burn body fat, and feel energized! (1:48) Eating better protein sources connects to bigger brains. (15:20) That one time a bear broke into the Truckee house. (20:31) Protecting free speech. (29:03) Swimply x Plunge. (35:50) Your worst nightmare coming to life. (42:29) Helping your child coregulate with an emotions pillow and the pros/cons of homeschooling. (46:35) Shout out to @Calligraphy.jy on Instagram! (59:58) #Quah question #1 - I would love some deeper insight on the “stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight” and “eat more to lose more” statements. I find it confusing. (1:01:04) #Quah question #2 - What are some great ways to help clients start a reverse diet? (1:06:39) #Quah question #3 - Thoughts on MK677? (1:09:43) #Quah question #4 - You all talk about leading by example as the best way to teach your kids about healthy eating. How do you go about this when co-parenting in separate households if the other parent doesn't prioritize healthy eating? (1:13:11) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Paleovalley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Discount is now automatically applied at checkout 15% off your first order! ** Visit Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order ** September Promotion: MAPS Starter | Starter Bundle 50% off! ** Code SEPTEMBER50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1345: 6 Ways to Optimize Sleep for Faster Muscle Gain and Fat Loss Mind Pump #2245: Fix Your Sleep & Balance Your Hormones With Dr. Kirk Parsley Cabral Concept 2526: Use the 3-2-1 Formula for Best Sleep Results (TT) Mind Pump #2312: Five Steps to Bounce Back From Overtraining The Association between Dietary Protein Intake and Sources and the Rate of Longitudinal Changes in Brain Structure - PubMed Mark Zuckerberg says Meta was ‘pressured’ by Biden administration to censor Covid-related content in 2021 Swimply and Plunge Team Up: A New Way to Boost Earnings and Wellness Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof on How to Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Watch The Deepest Breath | Netflix Official Site Thailand man bitten by python hiding in toilet Classroom Must Haves Throw Pillow Covers Set of 2 - Calming Corner School Counselor Office Mental Health Pillow Decor Calm Down Corner Items for Home Kids Dutch Velvet 18x18 Inch Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off ** Mind Pump #2372: Five Steps to a Faster Metabolism Reverse Dieting: What Is It and Should YOU Try It?? | MIND PUMP MK-677 Pros and Cons: Weighing the Benefits Against the Risks Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram Jameson Yap 彥晨 (@calligraphy.jy) Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is mind pump, right? In today's episode we answered listeners questions, but this was after an intro portion. Today's intro is 59 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events, fitness, was after an intro portion. Today's intro is 59 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events, fitness, family life, and much more. By the way, if you want to post a question that we can pick from for an episode like this, go to Instagram at mind pump media. Now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Paleo Valley. Today we talked about the Paleo Valley meat sticks.

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That's also 50% off. If you're interested, go to MAPSFitnessProducts.com, and then use the code September50 for that discount. Alright, here comes the show. The optimal evening routine to build muscle, burn body fat, and feel energized is the one that ensures proper sleep. Almost nothing will improve your progress like getting better sleep and on the flip side, almost nothing will crush your progress

like poor sleep. So when you're organizing your evening and you're thinking, hey I want to get in better shape, it's all about sleep and sleep quality. That's the most important thing. Is there a New York Times bestseller waiting to happen right now? I mean I feel like there's at least a thousand books on morning routines. Every other person's made a book on the... Yeah, where's the nightly routine? And that's actually what's... That's a great point. Is there anything, what's more important evening or evening? That's why I think it's so, that's why it's so interesting to me because there's so much written about

winning the morning and all the rich people do the five, five o'clock, five AM routine. It's like, I go outside for 10 minutes naked, let the sun hit my body. Then I come inside, drink coffee. You know what's interesting about that too? Like you're considered lazy if you sleep in when you're getting sleep, but if you go to bed early, you're not considered lazy.

You're getting the same amount of sleep. Ooh, that's deep thinking right there. Yeah, that is. Boom. That's a good one. Thinking about that, chewing on that for a bit. So when you're looking at like evening routines, and especially in the context of progress, fitness progress.

You're like, okay, I want to amplify my body's ability to burn fat. So what helps with that? Faster metabolism, more balanced hormones. I want to optimize my body's ability to build muscle. Same thing, I'm looking to optimize my hormones, reduce inflammation, improve my body's ability to adapt, make my body feel like it can build muscle. It's not in a super stressed state. I wanna recover.

Of course, feeling energized. I think everybody knows poor sleep will do the opposite of that. It really revolves around sleep. It really revolves around what's gonna ensure the best sleep for you. And so what does that look like? Generally it looks like not eating three hours before bed,

not drinking a couple of hours, you know, an hour before, two hours before turning off electronics, having a nice, quiet, cool place to sleep, and prioritizing it. Going to bed at the same time every night and waking up at the same time every day so you don't give yourself this interesting jet lag everybody does every single weekend.

Versus what's so common, so common for people to simply fall asleep from exhaustion like they'll be on their phone until they can't stay awake any longer or they'll watch their TV and to the point where do you guys know people like this where the only way they can sleep is with the TV on? Yeah. Literally training themselves. I mean the TVs they rolled them out after that with the way you could like have it set for 30 minutes to an hour it shows up itself yet and Yeah, I know a lot of people like my

roommate in college was like that and I had to just I would always just turn off and he'd get pissed off but who you Know who's the best and the worst of us for what for this for us nightly routine nightly routine I think you're the best. I have, yeah, for sure. I've seen your masks and. Yeah, Justin's getting pretty good. Justin's got a lot of devices and stuff too. Yeah. But I would say me, you and Doug will stretch it out.

Doug will typically go to bed. Yeah, but I also think that Justin's more likely to screw it up with like having a drink. Ooh. Yeah. So you're just. Ooh. I know. What's this, an intervention?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's all talk about that. We brought you here today to tell you this. Well, in fact, let's take a left. No, mine is like that mainly because of all the stuff I have to do in the morning and with the little... If I don't, I'm screwed and I work out first thing in the morning. What's interesting is one of the benefits, in fact, you brought this up on a past episode.

I thought that was such a good point. One of the values or benefits of working out first thing in the morning or in the day is that if you value your workouts, you tend to also have to value the night before to ensure that you can actually work out. Otherwise I'm screwed. If I don't do that and I wake up and then I try to go to the gym, it's just gonna be a terrible workout. So it's like, I have to go to bed by this time. I want to ensure that it's good sleep so that I can wake up at this time and get the workout going.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's true. Even just eating a bit too late for me is completely detrimental to sleep. Because in terms of digestion and just overall, it'll wake me up in the middle of the night if I'm likely to eat after seven o'clock And so it's like considering that and then yes alcohol is another contributor. It's terrible for sleep So if you factor all those things in and really are intentional about like setting yourself up for success You pay such a better price. Yeah, there's a couple that are less known. Like I think a lot of people know,

like okay, no electronics, maybe not eating drink, drink water, or fluids too close to bed so you don't have to wake up to use the restroom, cool room, going to bed and waking up at the same time every day now is becoming more understood. But there's a couple out there that people don't necessarily consider when it comes to sleep.

One of them is if you have a nutrient deficiency, a common one like magnesium, that can be a, that can make a huge difference. Oftentimes people, they have kind of this anxious, restless feeling when they're trying to sleep, like they'll wake up throughout the night many times. It could be a deficiency. And then here's another one. And this is just a great gauge of exercise intensity, volume, and whether or not it's appropriate for you. If you're exercising properly, if it's the right amount of intensity and volume for your body, your sleep will typically improve. If it's not the right amount, especially if it's too much, you'll get poor sleep. Insomnia is one of the number one symptoms of overtraining. So if you're a fitness fanatic and you do everything like,

because we'll get callers like this all the time, I do everything right. I work out, I eat right. I take all the supplements before bed. I do the sleep routine, but I can't get better sleep. You're probably overtrained. They need to scale the volume back, and then all of a sudden,

they're sleeping like a baby. Mike Matthews was the one that actually brought that to my attention. I knew about it, but I didn't realize it was so common until him and I were talking. It might have been on one of his podcasts. And he said that he struggled with on and off insomnia for a long time, couldn't figure out what it was.

The guy's very smart, he's one of the smartest people I know And he did everything right tested his nutrients did all the sleep routine Did all the perfect bed the whole deal and then he came to the realization I think maybe I'm just doing too much of my workouts cut his volume down by a third He was probably goes within a day. You got magical within yeah a few days He goes like I got all of a sudden got good sleep I don't realize that it was just I was pushing the limit too too hard. And, and, you know, Justin, you played at very high level in sports.

It's hard to sleep when you're training at that intensity, that level. It's probably one of the more difficult things to do, even though you're exhausted. Yeah. Well, that's what you see. That's what your metric is. It's like, uh, if I can, if I can work so hard that I get so exhausted, I'm more likely to just like hit the pillow and knock myself out. That was considered good sleep for me.

But yeah, I'm sure I was running in the red for a long time. Yeah, another sign too is if you do get what you think is supposed to be adequate, so you're like, okay, I go to bed, I think I sleep for eight hours, but I feel like I need a nap every day. That's me. That can happen to me. Oh my God, I think I need a nap every day. That's me, that can happen to me.

Oh my God, I think I need a nap almost every single day, even though I'm prioritizing my sleep. I'm probably still doing too much. It probably means that I'm doing too much. It gets you off the cliff. It gets me emotional another day. I was still. Are you a big napper right now?

Do you go home and nap? I don't, but on the weekend I will typically, and I could if I could nap at any moment. Did you see Jerry's text? You saw like an article came out, said something about like increasing your IQ or whatever for people to do like day naps. Trying to get pods here.

Yeah, I was like, okay. No, Jerry, we're not doing pods. I would love that. I would be like my dream life. Sounds amazing, but unproductive, yeah. My dream life literally would be a nap after my workout every single time.

I lived that life for a little while. Oh, when you were competing? Yeah, yeah, and yeah, during that time too. So I've been able to do that before where I train, eat, sleep type of deal. I mean, that's why too, I think that when you hear, I hear people that like really, like they're chasing the competitive physique and stuff.

It's like, boy, that is special when you have somebody who works a full-time job, and haven't really had a family and kids, and then on top of that, they try and compete like that. That sport was so demanding with stuff like that, with prioritizing naps and food and everything. How do you do anything else? It blows my mind, people that actually can manage

that in addition to that. And you have to be redlining all the time. If you do. I remember talking to, I forget which, you know, high level bodybuilder about this, but he was on like growth hormone and like a lot of it, to the point where it was like, he was comparing it to almost being like a toddler,

where it's like he had to get so much sleep. Oh, that's, that was, I know who you're talking he had to get so much sleep. And like. I know who you're talking about. Okay, yeah. So but like. It was someone we know. Yeah, and I'm not gonna say his name but. You're gonna gain like 80 pounds of muscle.

Yeah, he just got huge. I'm like, how the heck? You know, and so he's breaking it down and just like talking about all these growth spurts. Strong power lifter. So. Got massive. Oh, yeah.

Anyways. Yeah, I just was, it was kind of funny to me though that he was getting all these naps in and that was his whole day was devoted to growth. That was triggered by his high levels of growth hormone that he was taking. Yeah, yeah. The other thing too that a lot of people don't realize

is that lack of sleep subtly until it gets really bad changes your behaviors. It changes your desires. It changes your desires. It makes you more sensitive to negative emotion, less sensitive to positive, and it changes the way that you crave food. You'll start to crave more. The craving one is wild.

The craving one. That one's established, by the way. The studies on that are established, for sure. You will crave more palatable food if you lack sleep. That's another reason why I think giving that advice, I know it's boring advice, right? I know the listener's listening and it's like, oh, of course, we know sleep, but it's such a powerful one,

not just because of all the things you're talking about, but because one of the biggest challenges when you get a client and you're trying to get them healthier, changing behaviors around food is one of the biggest obstacles. And a lot of times, why that's such a huge obstacle is it's already tough to say no to these super palatable foods.

But it's even tougher when that person's sleep is crushed and then the cravings are ravenous. And everyone's been there before. There's a difference between like, oh, I kind of feel like some popcorn with this movie, or it sounds like something I want to do, versus like, oh my god, I want that so bad, nothing else sounds good but that crap, right?

Like a lot of times that's because someone's sleep is so bad, and solving that eliminates, or at least tamps it way down, it makes it easier to make those decisions. It's so funny you're talking about cravings. You just made me realize or think about something. So cravings can also be triggered by context or environment.

So you mentioned popcorn, right? You go to the movies. People tend to not even think about popcorn until they go to the movies. Yeah. I have a weird one for myself. When I go to any kind of an event with lots of, anywhere where I'm gonna go to like the SAP area,

or I went to the Oakland arena and went to Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham concert, whatever. So Jessica and I have done several events, and every time you go to them, especially around here, walking up to like SAP, there's always vendors selling hot dogs wrapped in bacon. Hot nuts. No. I don't know. I never seen hot vendors selling hot dogs wrapped in bacon. Hot nuts. No.

I don't know. I've never seen hot nuts. Hot dogs wrapped in bacon? I remember when we were in London. Oh we did. That was good. Hot dogs wrapped in bacon? Where'd you get that?

You've never seen them? Outside when you're walking in there's dudes, little people cooking hot dogs and they're wrapped in bacon and they'll have like on the side they'll have like, peppers and onions and- They have little carts set up. Little carts. I mean, I go to games and concerts all the time out of us. Never? And there's always the hot dog guy,

and he's got, and they got all the onions and- I've never seen a few concerts with that. I've never seen them wrapped in bacon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Doug's seen it. I've seen it, yeah. So I had one a while ago, and now whenever I go to these events, I look for them. I mean seen it, yeah. So I had one a while ago, and now whenever

I go to these events, I look for them. I mean, I'm on the hunt now. I've never seen one of those. They're so good and bad at the same time. I feel so bad. I feel like physically not good. That's the funny thing about those, too. I just had a hot dog.

I don't know where I was at when we were doing where I was. That's got to be the ultimate terrible process. It is. And every time, does it matter? That's what it was. It was cord. I was at Happy every time. Corn dog is my jam. Does it matter? Like, that's what it was. It was corn dog. I was at Happy Hollow. I was like, where did I just have like a hot dog? You have to have a corn dog if you're

at like some amusement park. Yes, I was at an amusement park. Literally on the way there, they're just talking about those things. And I remember telling Max, oh, we'll have a corn dog, right? And he's like, corn dog? I didn't even know what it is. And I had him.

And it was so good going down and just miserable the rest of the day. Just feel terrible. Just my gut messed up all day. Do you know what the best corn, the best, everyone, this is a fitness just miserable the rest of the day. You feel terrible. Yes. My gut messed up. Best corn, the best, uh, everyone. This is a fitness and health podcast, by the way. Uh, the best corn dog I've ever had. Boardwalk. Yeah. Yes. What is that? They're amazing. I don't know. Are they known? They have it down. Whatever the batter and the fryer that they mix with beach sand. That's why

the combination of the crunchy fried hot dog and then salty and sand in your hot dog. No, it's so good. You get the taffy there too. It's so good. They used to have that place called Hot Dog on a Stick too in the mall, I don't have that anymore. Remember they used to wear the weird shorts.

That doesn't exist anymore? No, I haven't seen one. Oh, no. I haven't seen one in a long time. Anyway, we're talking about hot dogs. There's protein hot dogs that bring me to a point that I wanted to bring up. Oh good.

There was a study that just came out, Max Lugavere posted about it. I love Max. This guy, he's one of my favorite people, super smart, and he's always. Is it Max coming in this week? He is, we'll see him Friday. Yeah.

So a new study of over 2,600 people, so it's a big study. Yeah. They found that protein intake, particularly from animal sources, was linked to a slower rate of atrophy of the hippocampus in people as they age. This is the brain's memory center. So people who ate the most protein, especially animal sources of protein, had essentially a healthier hippocampus in the brain. And you know, this goes along with the theory of the fact, why we have big

brains in the first place and how that wouldn't have been possible had we not learned how to become apex predators and hunt animals and cook them and eat them. It's the bioavailability and the amino acid profile is probably what it is. And the animal sources of protein, they are superior to plant sources unless you eat a lot of protein, then it really doesn't matter. But you don't, most people don't eat enough protein to meet that.

And we got bigger too, right? Like as a result of kind of changing the diet in that direction. I mean, you've heard other theories about like how we got more intelligent and I'm sure you've heard like the stoned ape theory and all that kind of stuff. Stoned ape? Yeah. So the stoned ape theory and all that kind of stuff. Stoned ape?

You never heard of that? Yeah, so the stoned ape theory, that we were like a bunch of, you know, cavemen. Psilocybin, like, you know, because of, I guess it's like cow patties, like they grow. It grows on poop. It's so, yeah, so apparently like, because they started to eat these

and then have these like, like existential kind of moments where they're like reflecting and realizing that, you know, there's more like, it sort of like expanded their, their thought process and became like we grew our brains grew as a result of that. And so that's like a speculated theory. Yeah. Like it led to, I mean, anyone who's been on psilocybin could probably get behind that. I mean, yes, but I, you know why I

disagree with that? I disagree with that because you have to have a baseline to, to be able to conceptualize what is that expansion is happening. Like if I give psilocybin to a dog or a monkey, I don't think they're thinking about the future of the past, what happens after we die, any of that stuff. I think they're just in the moment and don past, what happens after we die, any of that stuff.

I think they're just in the moment and don't know what's going on. They're disoriented. I think humans already had that. And then you eat psychedelics, and then you can make sense of this weirdness that's happening. I mean, of course I think that too. I don't think it led to art and religion and all that stuff,

because people ate mushrooms. Well, doesn't that fly in the face of your evolution theory of evolving from apes, though, then? My theory? I don't know why I'm thinking about that. Well, I mean that, and the face of your evolution theory of evolving from apes though then? My theory? Yeah. Well I mean that and generally out of us who's talked on the podcast like that's kind of like the. No, my evolution, you know,

I think behaviors and culture evolves. That makes a lot of sense to me for sure. But again, we didn't evolve from apes, it's completely different. We know this, two separate branches on the tree. Human history only goes back so far because we recorded, but we do evolve our ideas, we know that. Yeah, yeah.

In concepts. But yeah, so back to what I was saying with the protein, I mean, it's connected with longevity as people get older, muscle mass, we know this, and now brain health. Now there's a large study that shows brain health. You know, when I used to train clients, one way I used to help my clients get more protein, because it's hard to do, we've said this so many times

on the show, hitting what we consider, what is considered in the literature, high protein, which would be about, let's say, I'll average it out, .7 grams of protein per pound of, let's say, target body weight, okay? So we always go one to one just to even it out. But that's a lot of protein for most people.

That'd be like 150 pound woman, try and eat 130 grams or 120 grams of protein, which is a lot for someone like that. Or 200 pound man, 170 grams or something like that. That's a lot of protein, it's hard to get. One of the ways I would help my clients do that is I would always push them towards high protein snacks. So in the middle of the day day when they wanted to get a snack

or whatever, the go-to for me back then for my clients was jerky. It was always jerky. Because it was an easy 10, 15, 20 grams of protein. It's palatable too. It's tasty. It's tasty, it's easy to eat. It's got a long shelf life.

Every gas station has it. Every gas station has it. Yeah, it's hard to find really good, I know people get weird about quality. Now there's really high quality ones like Paleo Valley who we work with, their meat sticks, I just had a couple of them. Really good, they're not dry, it's grass fed, it's high quality protein. If you remember, that's how we started working with them.

I don't know how many years it's been now since we've been working with them. They got a lot of great products, don't get me wrong. I actually use their protein powder a lot now also But their beef sticks is what got us. Yeah, because I have tried jewel There's without throwing shade on the other, you know healthy protein or jerky's out there But oh a lot of way better. Well, they have their their jerky sticks are amazing. Yes. Yes. And it's high quality, it's grass fed, it's not dry, you know, it's high,

and it's got long shelf life, it's packaged. Yeah. So you can take it with you. Even bears love them. Are you, yeah, remember that? Remember that? You guys remember that? It's been a long time, right?

What did- It ate our entire stash. So, people might not know the story, we have a place in the mountains, the company does, and a bear broke in years ago How long did that happen probably four years ago? So at least at least four or five bear broke in uh-huh when we weren't there left a big-ass Print bust open the door bust it open the door and ate

The paleo value and supplements. I was the one that pulled up on it, and I remember pulling up in the driveway and first of all I freaked out because our Breezeway door was open wide open and I don't think... Now when did you know it was a bear and not an intruder? When I got right to the doorway so as soon as I got to the doorway there was a jar of peanut butter that had been open and just licked clean. Oh yeah. That's not a burglar. Oh yeah. So yeah, right away you're right. I thought like, oh my God, someone broke into our house.

I was kind of worried about that. And then as I'm walking up, I see like, like stuff, wrappers and things on the floor. And right there's a peanut butter jar. And I mean, it was like, I picked it up and it was like licked clean. I mean, like you just washed it. I've never seen the bottom of a peanut butter jar like that. Like when you finish your peanut butter, you're, it's pretty much done. You throw it away. Like you don't get the, I mean, licked. Like you just washed it. Like I've never seen the bottom of a peanut butter jar like that. Like when you finish your peanut butter, you're like, it's pretty much done.

You throw it away. Like you don't get the, I mean, at least I don't. Like scrape every last drop. I'm like, I've never seen it. I think I've ever seen a clear one of these before. You know? I want to know how it got the lid off. Yeah.

I mean, it's just a thong. Oh, they're dexter. You should have seen the other stuff. He had doors. He had opened. There was paw prints on the freezer door and closed. The oven opened and closed. I like how he closed them too.

Yes, they weren't all left wide open. Some things were wide open, like the cabinets were wide open, the door to the pantry was wide open. But there was, like I said, the oven had been, you could tell it had been grabbed and opened and then the refrigerator, same thing, grabbed and opened and then the refrigerator same thing grabbed and opened and and closed So yeah, no, they they definitely are and they eat what they the bar late the so Okay, so if here's the way the house works is we have the breezeway you guys know, but this for the audience, right? so the breezeway

connects to the laundry room the laundry room connects to the kitchen and I think it was me who left. We had that, this was early on in payload valley sponsorship with us. And so they had shipped us like, and they knew we loved the beef steaks. So we had probably 40 pounds in this, one of those big giant Costco bags of beef steaks.

Just tons. And I had just left them in the laundry room thinking they'd be fine, but that was close enough proximity for him to probably smell it and motivate him enough to break in the laundry room thinking they'd be fine. But that was close enough proximity for him to probably smell it and motivate him enough to break in the door and get in. And it was so much, this is how much beef sticks we had. That's why I said it was like 40 pounds. It was a lot. Maybe not. That made a little bit of an exaggeration, but enough that he didn't even finish it. Yeah, he left some of it.

Like he ate half and was like probably full and then, and then left. So happy. Just a happy bear. But you know that was a that was a I tell you what I was scared because I thought he was still in the house. Yeah, thanks. The door was still open. You look like that hadn't been there very long. I didn't know you like I think you better told us but are you

like opening doors? Oh, yeah. No, I remember like, you know, our first when you first kitchen we had that the stairwell and that one wing and I'm I'm going up that like like half ready to spread around the corner. Cause here's, like everyone's like, I'm not afraid of, I'm not afraid of a black bear. I've been, grew up around it in the country and

so like that. Cause they're, they're afraid of us, but that's not what I'm thinking. He's trapped. Exactly. Yeah. And that's what I was trying to explain to someone. One fight. You're not going to do. And it's not even a fight. It's just that he would, he would be just scared. Yes. He would be so scared trying to get out the house too, and I'm the one that's between him and the door And so that's the fear. It's not he's gonna come eat me and take care of me It's like no, I'm in the way of him getting out

How can I get out of that way as fast I can so yeah now I scared to death as I was going up the Stairwell looking around the corner and I'm like peeking cuz I'm hoping if I see him I can get out before he sees Me and all he did was leave a poop yeah would have been more scary view encountered the bear or like a guy licking the bear for sure for sure that would be really weird season long tongue yeah that would freak me out yeah you know I wonder if it was the same, cause then, wasn't it like shortly after we had the golf tournament,

and there was a bear filmed while the tour was going on. We saw him on TV. Running across the field by where we're at. So they say that- That's gotta be the bear. Yeah, so- It was a big bear. They say that once a bear scores, he'll keep coming back.

Well he did come back, remember he came and took our garbage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, he came back home, it happened to me, it'll keep coming back. Well, he did come back. Remember, he came and took our garbage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he came back home. It happened to me three times that we've been there. I've seen, yeah, three times. I pulled up, and there was like three bears. Another time, we were inside the house, and the girls, Janet and Katrina, were outside.

And a neighbor is driving by. And Janet's like, they're getting the kids ready, and they're getting ready to go out, something like that. And the neighbor stops out on the street and yells at us at our house, he says, bear! And turns around and it's like 10 feet from Janet, like right there.

She didn't even see it, it was like right next to her. And then the other time I was taking the trash out, I just cooked up like probably eight or nine pounds of short ribs. And I was cooking and prepping for everybody and serving everybody. And those short ribs are those ones that cook really fast.

So it's like five minutes on the grill and then you're serving it. And so as I'm like serving it, I'm also taking the bones leftover and I'm throwing in the trash. And I was like on my second or third trip back there and I opened up our trash door and the thing's wide open. And it's like everywhere

all over the yard and everything. So while between times of me coming back there, he got in there and ripped through all that. So I think this is why they're not aggressive is because they were prey, right? When grizzlies were native to California, grizzlies would eat black bears and hunt them. So they're prey. That's why they're scared. Is that correct? I don't know if that's the, is that true? I think that's if I'm not mistaken, we went to Yosemite. I know we did have grizzlies at one point. Yeah, grizzlies are different. If we, if it was a grizzly, they'll eat you. Yeah. You know, or a peflina. But I've never

actually heard that as the theory of why. I didn't know that. I mean, it makes logical sense. Yeah, when we were at Yosemite, they explained it to us. That, or is it more so that like just, I mean, it makes logical sense. Yeah, when we were at Yosemite, they explained it to us. That, or is it more so that, like, just, I mean, in general, most animals are, even the ones that attack you, it's out of fear, normally. Normally, they are afraid. Well, no, it depends if it's an apex predator or not. If it's like, if you're near a polar bear,

he's probably hunting you. Okay, so that's my point. So that's a great example, but that's for a for a read like that sucker is looking for food 24-7 because it's rarely it he's also a hyper carnivore they hunt kill because they they have to they're very limited to it so like everything is an opportunity for food well I know in Alaska where they have Grizzlies in other areas like people those neighbors this is a really interesting I've never even heard that black bears are typically where people people and don't want to

interact with them they're not territorial blah blah blah if a bear star okay but why are black bears not dangerous or aggressive I almost I'm almost positive it was because I mean it's a logic it's a logical scared of grizzly it's a very logical theory I mean I could get behind that but I've never heard that no one's ever told me that before yeah I got a thing for bears do they scare shit on me? I told when I got chased when I was a kid by a bear. That's it after that now if I see bears Yeah, yeah, like get me out of here. Do you know what's funny? I'm more afraid of like spiders like little little things like that

I can't see bear. Yes. Yes. If you put me okay, you put me somewhere in the vicinity. Oh, here we go I'm right apex predator known to kill or eat black bears. That's it. So they basically are, they were prey. So they're used to running. That's what they do. That's what they did. Kill, areas where too,

cause way back in the day, you were using that as your support to vet things. That's the reason. That's as close as I can get. I was gonna say, thanks Doug for helping him, but I mean, that wasn't like the, that doesn't confirm. I don't know, that's what the Yosemite ranger said. Oh really? Yeah, that's where I think I heard get. I was gonna say, thanks Doug for helping him, but I mean that wasn't like the, that doesn't confirm. I don't know, that's what the Yosemite Ranger said. Oh really?

Yeah, that's where I think I heard it. You think you heard it. You know why I keep saying this? Because I've been caught a couple times being wrong, I wanna be careful when I'm super like, for sure, but I'm almost positive. Somebody will send me some messages. I feel like I almost brought up the Marianas Trench

had like new sea creatures they found. Did they? No, it was AI. Oh. I was so mad. Dude, I shared with you this morning something that was fake that I'm so like, God, you can't trust anything anymore.

We're really close, I feel like, to like all this internet shit being obsolete because nothing's true. Nothing. Yeah, it's just like we came this far with all of it, it came so far and then now it's just like. Now we can fake things so well. Dude, speaking of internet and social media,

did you guys see the letter that Zuck put out? Is that real? That's real. Did you fact check? Yeah, no, apparently everywhere. Yeah. And he's saying essentially that the Biden administration pressured them to censor heavily during a COVID and they did and also censor the Hunter Biden story. They told them, oh, it's disinformation or what are misinformation and he regrets it and they'll act differently.

You know, I was trying to explain. This is a big deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. That's a big black eye. One of the arguments was and they denied it, but now it's obviously true, is that because the government cannot censor speech,

it's an amendment, it's one of the strongest cannot censor speech it's it's it's an amendment It's one of the strongest protections we have when it comes to our rights and most Americans are in favor of this But what they did is they were able to censor speech by going around the back door And pressuring private companies because private companies can censor whatever the hell they want right? It's their platform running it through a private business, and that's what they did Yeah, that's exactly what they did and Zuckerberg it through a private business. And that's what they did. Yeah. That's exactly what they did. And Zuckerberg came out and admitted it.

Yeah. You know, Katrina, I was sharing that with her when you sent that over last night. And she's like, that's so crazy that he would even do that in the first place. And I was trying to explain to her, could you imagine you being in that situation in defense of Zuckerberg?

The FBI calls you and tells you that they're concerned about X, Y, and Z. You need to help out. Are you withholding ways for them to track down these terrorists? Yeah. Your first inclination of the FBI actually contacts you like that is not like, I bet they're trying to manipulate the election. It's like, oh shit, okay, I'll comply. And everybody tries to act like they wouldn't comply. It's like, I don't know. Would you really? If FBI called you and made the case that this is for the protection of whatever reasons like national security?

Yeah, I mean warning you of the repercussions. It's real easy for us to sit on this side and be like, oh, I can't believe that I would but it's like I don't know. I think again, I think there's a situation where Somebody and that kind of power and authority calls you up and tells you they're trying to protect our country, we need you to do this. Yeah, because if you do the wrong thing, this many people will get hurt. Yeah, could die. Or you could be held liable or whatever.

Yeah, I mean, it's a tough, I hope now in hindsight though, these companies now give them the finger. I think he was just like feeling out the momentum right now and the shift in you know, in terms of like Opportunity for him to come out with that. No, this is what I think I think is I said this last year when we were when we were talking about him or whatever year it was we're talking about all this stuff is What was so strange to me was how we were painting all these people in corners of left and right and most all these

Internet dudes like this the Jack Dorsey's, the Zuckerberg's, the Elon Musk's, they're most libertarian type of guys. Most of them are very much so pro free speech, even though that wasn't what happened. So to me, I always kind of thought that I was just like, there's got to be something more going on. There's more context. Yes, that's true.

The origins of these internet companies are the kind of of libertarian, anarchist, free internet, let the public decide type of deal, but they're based out of typically California, which is very liberal. Many of their employees don't share the same views. Many of their employees have very strong opinions in one direction. So you have pressure from the bottom, your employees, you have pressure from the government, so you're like, okay, I got all my staff saying, this is, you know, bad, this is oppressive towards me,

or violence towards me, this kind of speech, then the government's like, you better do this, or else. Right, imagine being in that situation. Like, you can, I mean, it's so easy for everyone else on the outside to always, you know, point and criticize. This is why, like him or not, Musk is a special individual. Right, because he has the principle about it. The harder they mess with him, the more

he gives him the finger. And that's a unique. It's unbelievable. And I don't mean necessarily good or bad special. I mean, I tend to side with what he does. But I think he's special in the sense that it's rare to not fold under that kind of pressure and propaganda campaigns.

They go after him in ways that are just remarkable to me. What does that say about my character versus, so initially, I can't stand by everything that Elon, I don't know the guy, I don't know his personal character, but my gut, when someone's like that, I tend to like you. Like I just, I'm gonna lean more towards that. Whether we agree so much on everything else,

it's like that being principled like that. I know why, it's because you know what you're gonna get. You feel like you know, versus I don't know. You know what I mean? Like it better, what's the statement? Because then there's the other side. What kind of person is that that right away, like just hates him because of those reasons, like, cause oh, he's not a rule follower. Oh, is this,

he's this person. He's fixed versus growth mindset. I feel like, I mean, I like to compliment myself like that and think it's those are the reason. No, I'm talking about them. Yeah. You're highlighting. No, I know. But on the opposite side, that would be growth minded. So it is a compliment in a sense still. But what does it say about? He's all handsome. Thank you. Thank you.

Exactly. I don't know. So I also, someone swears a lot like that. I don't know. I feel like there's a bit of authenticity or something about that person. And so I gravitate to a person towards a person more like That then the person is like so proper and and polished. Yeah, I don't know

Yeah, I'm kind of like that too. I think in many ways, but I mean I tell you what this is a little rebellious This is a weird time. You have a Kennedy supporting the Republic Republican candidate for president. You have Tulsi Gabbard, who was a lifelong Democrat, supporting a Republican for president. And now you have Zuckerberg coming out and saying this. This is crazy. It wasn't an accident that that happened.

I mean, he went to the Democratic Party and was looking for help and to contribute, and they shut him out. It's not like a mystery. Oh, the RFK? Yeah, it's not a mystery why he went over to the other side of the fence to try and implement these other policies he wanted to.

He actually thought of it as like, well, how can I implement these things for our health and really investigate these things? I'm gonna go to the party that's willing to listen to what I have to say and implement my ideas. And it's like, for people to think that he's just like, abandoning this whole, they shut him out. It's as simple as that.

It's just wild though, because he's a Kennedy. That's like, it doesn't get more Democrat royalty than that. Of course. That's gotta hurt. You know, like, you gotta assess that. Why did he do that? What a weird time. You know, speaking of climbing over the fence, Justin,

with that, have you guys seen the app Swimply? This you told us about a while ago. I did, and Jerry was sharing with me this morning. So explain the app. So, okay, so basically it's like Uber. I guess you would say, I know everyone uses that analogy. It's the Uber of this. It's the Uber of pools.

Like, how many people have either summer homes or a house with a pool? I mean, how many people don't even use their pool that much? And so you can basically, with time blocks, rent out your pool. So someone could pay a fee to you, and time blocks rent out your pool. So someone could pay a fee to you and they can come use your pool for three hours. Yes it's brilliant idea. It's a brilliant idea. The next level to this now is plunge is doing it with the cold plunges. Huh. So if you don't go out and buy an actual

plunge for yourself and or maybe you want to see if you'll even use it consistently you can use them on the app and go use people's cold plunges. So you an actual plunge for yourself and or maybe you want to see if you'll even use it consistently you can use them on the app and go use people's cold plunges. So you could go to someone's find somebody around you that has a plunge. That's interesting. I smell an interesting business idea. Brilliant. I mean I'm kind of like I mean I know Doug's really protective about having strangers coming in here. It's the comfortability part. There's a a bit of me that's like, okay, let's be honest, how often is that plunge getting used? You know, and even when you do use it, it's only four minutes that you use it. I mean, we could have at least 10 people a day.

You know how much these recovery centers that are popping up charge to let you go in and use a sauna, a plunge, and stuff like that? It's like 50 bucks a visit for some of these places. Imagine if you set one up in your backyard. You have a pool, you have a cold plunge and a sauna, and you could literally create a business. And people could pay to come use your.

I mean, listen, if you are in a good area, it's a brilliant idea. It's a brilliant idea. Are they getting that popular? Is cold plunging getting that popular? Oh my god, it's all you hear. I feel like cold plunging is so popular, it's mainstream now. Yeah.

Like it was trendy in the fitness space just a couple of years ago. And it's been around forever. But I mean, it's become trendy again. Thanks, Huberman or whatever, for making it more. But now it's like general population. Like I get friends and family that don't even work out that are like, oh, I was thinking about getting

a cold plunge, I'm like, what? Yeah. So it's definitely made its way to mainstream. It's got a long history in certain cultures. Long. Super long, lots of cultures. When you see a practice like that, that's got a long history, there's some serious value

because it's stood the test of time. So why do they do this? Why do they do this? And I've shown you guys videos of these schools in Russia where the little kids go outside in this snow. Throw them out there. Yeah, in their bathing suit. Dump in cold water on them.

Snow angels. Little ass kids. Yeah, there's the polar bear clubs. Where were we? Was it London where we were at? Where there's like a swim area where they, every year in the winter time, they all go in like there's a lot of cultures that have done this for a very long time And I really think I mean you got a credit probably Wim Hof for making for sure

It was like Wim Hof. He made it like a thing that people in yes Yeah I think Wim Hof is the one that has made it really really popular and then maybe maybe Huberman is the one that got it like the, the next bit of, of, well, he, he, he kind of was able to show everybody like the potential of like how you could kind of tap into your autonomic system and, and, you know, really have sort of control over a lot of, uh, parts of human physiology. You didn't think he did. And so it's like, he could do all these feats, which then that's gonna grab our attention

and then he kind of brings it back to like, well here's the practices that you know, you're gonna benefit from a lot through breathing and through these cold exposures. Do you guys remember the study that him and all his students did where they injected them with like a pot of salmonella? Is that what it was?

Do not repeat at home. Dude, that was gnarly. They were able to, he was able to fight off somehow. Him and his students. And then he had students do the same thing. That's why it was interesting, because his teachings proved themselves through other students.

To me, that was one of the craziest things ever. That's so crazy to me. Yes, and I think it was like, I wish I could just, do you know what I mean? I'm getting sick. No, I'm not. I mean, how much does that highlight, though, the power of the mind, right? Well, there's a lot of systems in your body that are automatic, but his argument is you

can have influence over them. You can have influence, yeah. I mean, look. It happens with breathing. Is it an argument? It's a fact. I agree. I think it requires training.

Like, if you study, not study, if you look at people who can hold their breath for ridiculous amounts of time, how slow they can get their heart rate It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. How slow the heart rate gets while they're calm like on a on a dime. Yeah Yeah, it's wild. Well, you guys ever watch that documentary I think I told you guys about the one with the deep divers. I never watched the free dive free diver Yeah, free dive. That was a really good one. You guys are so there's have you guys ever seen? the deepest pool in the world that where they test divers or they train military divers?

It's an actual man-made pool? It's the deepest man-made pool in the world. And when you see a diver that I saw a camera in the water showing this guy. What's the term? Agoraphobia, I think it is. The fear of large spaces. Oh, I almost feel like I'd get that in there. If you look at the video of the term a goraphobia? I think it is the fear of large spaces Oh, I almost feel like I get that in there Like if you look at the video of the guy going down

It's like so big and so deep and you look up and there's all this water around you. Yeah, you're looking that's nearly Yeah, crazy looking. Yeah. No, I would you you you were good. You were a big swimmer. What's the deepest you ever? That's a good question. I don't think I've ever so we used in the lake, right? So like a like a popular thing that we would do. So you can go down deepest? So yeah, so this would be like at like midday we had parked the boat between wakeboarding and stuff and we'd anchor down somewhere

and we had like those depth finders. So we'd find like an area that was challenging like 20 plus feet deeper with that. And then guys would, we'd jump out the boat and you had to bring back a handful of the seaweed or the dirt and mud to prove that you did it. And we challenged to see how far. Now I don't ever remember being able to measure

and like come back and say, I've done this, it was never crazy. It was not anything. What any of these. Like 10 feet or something like that. Well, no, it was more. Now it was like 20. Wow.

Oh yeah, yeah, I've been down 20 feet. That's gnarly. Yeah, I mean, I guess I get for, but that's nothing. For me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean been I've been down 20 feet. That's gnarly. Yeah, I mean I guess I get four but that's nothing for me I mean they make pools that are 14, you know, they make yeah I'm sure you've probably been to a bottom of a pool like that. Yeah, not 14 Yeah, they have we're high dives are at those pools. I think have to be yeah 14 feet or 20 feet Maybe not 20. No, not 20. I think 14 feet. Really? Yeah, where a high dive is at, wherever a high dive is at,

you can't have it in a regular nine foot pool. It's gotta be. Speaking of water, I've been waiting for Justin to bring this up, so I'm gonna bring it up, Justin. No. Because I want you to talk about, I don't know what's going on here.

What's up with the python in the toilet story? What is this? So there was a video, and again, I was hesitant to bring it up just cause I don't know like how factual, but because they showed the, the actual snake and the Python was in the toilet bowl, it was outside and it was like hanging onto this guy's leg. Uh, but apparently he was, and he was like choking the thing out and it was

like trying to bite him and everything, but he claims that he was sitting on the toilet and it literally just bit his nuts. Like your worst nightmare of situations happened in real life. That's a real fear of mine. Like a real fear of mine. Up through the bowl and it's like ow! A real fear of mine when I was a kid

was that either a spider or something, because you're, you know, it's going to come up and get you. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know what? Mine's always my feet on the ground in the dark. Like there's going to be like something that crawls over my feet. That touches your feet. Yeah, like a spider. Not the bowl.

Yeah, no, the bowl. That's the most vulnerable. Your feet are fine, bro. I don't even, I can't even imagine something coming up the bowl. It's something like in the dark, like crawling over my feet, you know? No. Like right for like the sack? Like come on. That's not true.

Is that possible? Is that a python gets in like that? Yeah. Really? Yeah, they can get stuck in the sewage. And that's happened, like where someone's keeping it? Yes. Yeah.

They swim through there. I did not know that. I've never heard of a situation like that. I saw a video. It was a nanny cam. It was a mom. I don't know where she was Thailand or somewhere like that And she was in a hammock. Yeah in a house inside like the house though

but the door was open and she was You know sitting with her baby and you can see on the nanny cam a big-ass Python comes in the door and she doesn't see it because her back is facing it and then it comes up and then she turns Around season like takes off Move yeah, that's not a place to live and then it comes up and then she turns around and sees it and takes off. Move! Yeah. That's not a place to live. No. If there's snakes like that.

Get out of there. In your neighborhood, move immediately. That, you ever see, there's this one place, I don't know if this is in New Zealand or Australia or whatever, but where spiders, sometimes they have like, it's gotta be spring where they're like, they're emerging, they just had all these babies,

and there's just spider webs almost hanging everywhere. And it's just like, you just see like millions of spiders just take over. Yeah, and it's just like, it is Australia. We've shared that clip before. It's a time of year, right? I feel like I wanna go there so bad. That's my worst nightmare is that.

The bugs and stuff make me not go. I feel the same way too. You know, I mean all it took was that one person, I think they were in our forum or someone. They said the big ass ones. It was, no, it was that spider was carrying a fucking rat up the wall. That was enough for me. Like I never want to be a spider carrying a rat. I remember it was carrying the rat up the wall. It was a possum. Is that what it was? It was bigger than that. Yeah. It was something crazy. It was something that you wouldn't think that up the wall. It was a possum. Is that what it was? It wasn't even a rat, bro. It was bigger than that.

It was something crazy. It was something that you wouldn't think that it could do. It was horrifying. No, because there's the ones that are like this big, right? That people will get in their house. What do you do? You don't kill it. How do you kill that?

What do you do? What are you gonna do? It's gonna like jump on you. I mean, I don't even wanna know what happens when you kill it. Like, what do you do with that? Open the door and just be like, shoot it out like a rat or something.

You know? Get the shotgun out, dude. I mean. What are you pulling up right now, Doug? What is it? Trying to get the snake. I see it on his screen. Did you ever find my pull answer?

Oh yeah, for how deep? Yeah. It's like 5.8 meters. So you're probably pretty close. 15 feet, right there. That's over 15 feet, right? I don't know what a meter is. Yeah, it's 18 to 20.

Yeah, it's three feet a meter. Only time Americans use a metric system is for drugs. Yeah. Is that true? That's true. They never use it for anything else. No. We have no answer.

Why is that? Probably because we never adopted it. Yeah, I think honestly, it was just our own stubborn way. Why do we do drugs? Because I think we're buying and getting it from other places in the world. So it's like exotic, huh? A kilo, hey.

How many pounds is that? Can I have 2.2 pounds? Yeah, 2.2, please. That's funny. Yeah. I don't know why I've never thought of that. Yeah. Oh, hey, I got to show you guys, I

got to share something really cool with you guys that my wife did with my son that I thought was so brilliant. So my wife is. I want you to share things that she does that she does that is so brilliant. So my wife is- I want you to share things that she does that she does is not brilliant. That's not brilliant? Yeah, I want to share the funny-

That won't be on the podcast. I've been holding those to myself. Yeah. Hey, you guys are- Shares all the brilliant stuff. What are you gonna share as well? Where she's like, hey listen, my wife fucked up. You guys wanna hear the stupid thing she did?

Yeah, I think we should all do that and see what happens tomorrow. Yeah, well, see how our lives are improved. Wow, what are you guys doing sleeping in the studio? I'm so tired. She's so incredibly intuitive with children and understands how to work with them. She's so good with the kids, so brilliant. She bought this pillow. It's an emotions pillow.

I told you guys about this. It lists the major emotions. It's like fear anger What does that say disgust sad happy and surprise and then it it breaks off of those. So like for example Anger there's critical distant frustrated aggressive mad hateful threatened or hurt and then off of those there's even more categories and so what he does is he's you know, he's Three and a half or about to turn four and he has a big feeling like little kids always do and he'll get mad, maybe throw a tantrum, run off to his room because he can't watch cartoons or not getting something he wants or whatever or he's

disappointed. He'll get real upset and so when he calms down she's done this thing where she'll be like get the emotions pillow, let me know what you're feeling. And little kids they don't have the words often for some of these things, but it's been working. So she gets it out for him, he had a meltdown because I forgot what it was, I think we limited their TV to 35 minutes a day, so once he uses it up, that's it. And if he uses it up early in the day,

we know there's gonna be a challenge at the end of the day when he wants to watch more. So first she co-regulates with him, this is something she taught me, she's like, he's not gonna be able to think straight until you help him calm down. The way you do that is you're calm with him, you hold him even if he's upset, wait till he comes down.

And then he got the big feelings pillow and he came back, remember this is my three and a half year old, and he says, so the issue was that he couldn't, I think it was that he couldn't watch TV. So he comes back with it and then he says, Mom, I feel, this is a member, three and a half year old, I feel sad, disappointed and powerless. I feel frustrated at you for not letting me watch TV.

So I was like, my three and a half year old. Is that him saying it or is him pointing at the emotion? Saying it. He's saying that? Because she's been using it with him now for at least a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for him, and how accurate is that?

Sad, okay, disappointed and powerless. and how accurate is that? Sad. Yeah. Okay. Disappointed. Yeah. Yeah. And powerless. That's powerless. I have no power because you're taking it away from me and frustrated at you for not letting me watch TV. Oh my god. Yeah. She sent me it. She told me all about it and I've seen him say this stuff and so this is like I'm just I was brought up so authoritarian style. I'm just not I was brought up so authoritarian style, I'm just not, I don't have her intuitive gifts for this kind of stuff. So for me it's, and my challenge is, when my kid gets upset, like he'll get mad

and run off to his room, I'll be like, whatever. When he'll come back when he's better. He'll work it out. He'll come back when he's hungry. He's fine, he's down, he just wants attention, which is the wrong, I mean, that's like the wrong attitude. And so she's like, no, no, go with him, co-regulate, help him talk about what's going on.

So really cool. So one of our, I shared last year on the podcast that we were going to be holding Max back, right? So new school year just started this week, right? So, or this week or last week? Last week. And so we're on week two of it. And you know, one of the things that, why we also made the decision now, because there was like

controversy on whether we should or not, like half the people said we should, the other half said we shouldn't. We're like, you know, let's do it when he's really young right now. And what I like is that they switch his classroom, his teachers, he'll have different kids. So he doesn't feel like he's... Yeah, because that was one of the things too, like I don't want him to feel like he's. So it didn't feel like he's, yeah, because that was one of the things he was like, I don't want him to feel like he's inadequate or he's like, we can't move him on or anything like that. So I was like, okay, well, that's good. He's got all that, they're switching everything.

So he hasn't connected the difference between kindergarten, first grade, second grade. So we're like, okay, this is like, this is a weekend, but this is the first week he comes home yesterday. And he's like all excited daddy daddy I knew what the super kid was before they Every month they have like these super kids that the that they they teach with it They use a super kid and they teach him a name and the kids and all these things

And my and they they did it and of course they follow the same curriculum is what they did last year So he knew what it was right right? He was like so excited. He was like, oh, it's pretty good. It's pretty good that you knew that already. So now I'm going like, oh, shit, I wonder how quick it is, or how long it's going to be before he starts to... Daddy, I feel like I've done all of this. Yeah, so we'll see. But we're starting now. Is this his birthday? Like, is he one of those birthdays? Yeah, he's young, right? So he's just, well, he's-

He could be either type of deal. Yeah, yeah. So he's in July, it's his birthday, but he just turned five. So he's like at that cusp where we could- I've always been told, and maybe there's, I don't know if this is good advice, but I've always heard that if you're on the cusp,

it's better to put them in the lower grade so that they're older for their age. So my sister and I are the exact opposite examples of that. So I'm November, she's December, so we're later in the year. She, we're only 13 months apart in age, 13 months, but we're two grades apart because I went early and she went late. And so I mean there's obviously, I think there's mostly the advantage in her situation. Now sure you

can make the argument that because I was young, a late bloomer, everyone was bigger, more athletic, faster, smarter than me, like it's caused me to try and elevate to keep up. Well that just paired up with your your mentality. You have a very growth-minded mentality. So I wonder if it was a perfect mix. Maybe, or did that cause that? Did that create that? Because my whole life I've been having to try and catch up and grow to be like everybody

else. So that's the part of the argument is that. Yeah, good question. You know, because of that, that caused me to be this growth-minded person because I was always trying to catch everybody else. And maybe my parents did a good job of helping me embrace that instead of making me feel you know that caused me to be this growth-minded person because I was always trying to catch everybody else and I My maybe my parents did a good job of helping me embrace that instead of making me feel like I wasn't so I don't know And then my sister being older like she's the oldest of her class

And so then and then the argument there is so the reason why they wanted max to be held back What because he's actually really like math. He's ahead all his skills in in school and education He's actually there. He's at the level or above. But emotionally, he's still like, like he cries when things are really difficult and challenging, like he's, that's kinda, and so they are more concerned about where he was emotionally right now versus him.

Have you, and you guys don't, have you guys really considered homeschooling? No. Because, you know, one of the arguments I've heard, so I told you guys, I used to have clients that were really into this and I learned a lot through them. And one of the advantages they said was with homeschooling, you're not putting all the same age kids, you have older kids, younger kids, because like your son- That's a huge advantage.

Yes, because like I've seen your son around little kids. He becomes the older kid. But could you imagine, could you guys imagine mind pump without Katrina? No, no homeschooling. So I mean, maybe if she had like a less important role in what we do, I would be like, honey, stay home and do that. want to no she loves business she loves she loves being a part of buildings trying for me it was not gonna it's a lot of work but you can also help I mean she's not shy I mean you know Katrina she's not shy of work

and challenge and she is incredible right and the the role that she is she has played as as mother and everything like she's unbelievable. Plus you guys do have an exceptional, you guys found a great place. Yeah. Yeah, the school you guys found. Yeah, so, but I definitely, I presented that and like I said, like, hey, I would love for you to homeschool if you would be down to do it,

but she loves this too much. She loves, and I wouldn't rob that of her, right? So, you know, our way of handling that is private school and resources. So we, you know, our way of handling that is private school and resources. So, we, you know, we spare, when it comes to him, we spare no expense of what we want for his education, take care of. That's why he's in Kuman,

that's why he's out of school like he's at. Yeah, we're in the process of finding families with kids that, and with everybody wants to homeschool so we could find groups and work together and facilitate education through hiring this person. Did you guys ever talk to my cousin? Did you guys, did Jess come? No, she is.

Okay, so I think she's an incredible resource. Yes, yes, that's exactly why my wife's talking to her. Yes, Stephanie is. Because she's done a great job. Yeah, Stephanie's incredible. I mean, and it's her. There's no like manual, you know what I mean? I mean, there's information, okay, don't get me wrong.

There's lots of information on her. But there's a lot of different strata weights. A lot of mystery. Everybody does a lot of things different too. So, I mean, it's information, okay, don't get me wrong. There's lots of information on it. But there's a lot of different strap weights. Everybody does a lot of things different too. So, I mean, it's my cousin who makes me want to homeschool. I'm so impressed with her kids. And they're a big, and she's from a family of homeschool. So my aunt homeschooled the five of their kids,

and then my cousins now turn around and homeschool her five kids. So it's like an example of 10 kids that I've watched within just that family alone. And they're just, they're amazing. They're all amazing kids. They're, they're unbelievably brilliant, self-aware, socially very normal, all the things

that everybody thinks like, you know, oh, they're going to be awkward. And it's like, no, they're not, they're like crazy like presenters and man I we were just at the my cousin's graduation and you know the fan there's like 40 people there and she stood up and gave like this speech to the family just yeah my cousin who was though the or what my would that be my if it's my cousin's kids it's my second or third second or third yeah she's just graduated eighth

grade oh wow and she's spoken oh everybody. Oh man, just like so articulate and funny and like just crazy to watch like the way they can communicate to other adults and they don't, and I can see it in even the youngest one. So I mean it's her that would inspire me. It's just overwhelming. I wouldn't know what to do. I would have no idea what to do with that because like when you go when you put them in school They have the curriculum they have the setup you pick a good place and they do it on your own. It's like wide open Opportunities or challenges or choices? All right, what do I do? So my theory here is oh am I gonna do this wrong? my theory is this because because I do agree with you and in the values of that is and I kind of think that we are doing like a blend. Katrina and I are very much so, like Max, I mean, sometimes I feel bad.

Like sometimes I have to take a break because we school him so much, right? So he goes to a private school day. Then after that, we have him in Kuman for another hour. And then we do stuff with him afterwards at home. So we do a lot with him. And so it's like a blend of this education that the school is giving him,

then our home values and beliefs are, and then even outside professionals that are assessing where he's at in level. So we definitely devote a lot of resources, time, to really formulating what we think is like the best environment for them. I just read this article on homeschooling. It's exploding because of the pandemic.

So many parents after that are like, I'm gonna homeschool, especially with the vaccine requirements that happened in California. My cousins did this. Their kids, because of the new laws with all these vaccine requirements, and then after what happened with COVID, they were like, hell no. They pulled their kids, because of the new laws with all these vaccine requirements, and then after what happened with COVID, they were like, hell no.

They pulled their kids out, and they ended up buying a trailer. Like a big, what is it, motor, not a motor home, but a trailer. Because they're gonna homeschool, and they're gonna travel around the state and learn different things, whatever. I think that would be totally fun to do something like that.

Even though I know it's not my style, but I've seen, there's families, there's YouTube channels that are fun to do something like that. Even though I know it's not my style, but I've seen, like, there's families, there's YouTube channels that are dedicated to families that do that. When they travel and go, how cool would it be to teach your kid history through showing up to places? You know what I'm saying? Plus it's family connection time.

Yeah, yeah, I think it would be, I just, theoretically sounds cool, I would never do it. You know what I'm saying? I just know I wouldn't have the discipline to do that. And I like this too much So to just let's we all travel together. You guys want to get like a bunch of trailers. Yeah caravan hire a bunch of martial arts masters

Make them all ninjas. So we're about to go do that. I tell you guys so Katrina went down there and she's a little worried cuz she's just like yeah I went there and there's like 40 kids and they're just like running around, it's loud, it's just that. So we're gonna go ease Max in and see if he's. Really? Which one, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, over at the Gracie school

over by us. Oh, awesome. And see if he'll, if you will. I mean, again, I'm in this predicament again where it's like I know the things I want him to do but I also want to be very careful to not like force him into the kids. Yeah. So it's like, I just, I keep, I know, I just keep introducing these things and then hoping that eventually something

is going to excite him enough to where he wants to do it. And then we can do it. But I also want to be careful of just cause I want that so bad that I don't force him to do that or even make him feel like daddy wants it so bad. He does it just to appease me. Like I really want him to be so I'm trying to be like, yeah, okay with, you know, that maybe we don't do that yet and we're not into it. We're still young, you know. Do we have a shout out for today? I mean, I could shout out. What do you got? So you guys all know I follow calligraphy. Yes. Like Japanese or Chinese style calligraphy.

And there's this guy, it's called calligraphy.jy on Instagram. I love his work. I actually bought one of his pieces. And I have another one coming, custom ordered. Awesome. Yeah, check it out. He's very talented. Awesome. By now, you've out. He's very talented. Awesome.

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Use the code mind pump and get 20% off. All right, back to the show. First question is from Cole Rowe. I would love some deeper insight on the stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight and the eat more to lose more statements. I find it confusing. Okay, so this is a good question,

and I think sometimes we forget that it can definitely be confusing. In order to lose weight, you have to consume less calories than you burn, or you burn more calories than you take in. So it's known as an energy imbalance. So if you're taking in 2,000 calories, but you're burning 3,000 calories, where's that extra 1,000 calories coming from?

And it's coming from your body, hopefully, from body fat. So then, how is it makes sense when you hear us say you gotta eat more to lose more? Well, it's because what you're trying to do is you're trying to affect the burn side of that equation by building muscle and speeding up the metabolism. Okay, so if you're burning 2,000 calories a day and you're taking in 2,000 calories a day, there's two ways to create a deficit. One is to take in less calories. The other is to burn more calories and there's two ways to burn more calories. One is to take in less calories, the other is to burn more calories. And there's two ways to burn more calories. One is to move more, which

is a very short-term approach, your body will die very quickly. The second, more favorable approach, is to teach your body to burn more calories on its own. And the most effective way to do that is to build muscle, strength train, and then fuel that muscle growth with additional food, calories, protein, etc. So that's why we say that. It's an attempt, and if you do it right, often successful attempt, at speeding up the metabolism. I mean both statements are true, right? And I think that we can agree that almost all, if not all, clients when they are trying to lose body fat

and they have a significant amount, 10 pounds or more they need to lose, when they first start, it is almost always, if not always, in their best interest to focus first on eating more and building muscle, to then ramp up their metabolism so that when they do go to the deficit, where they cut the calories, it's coming from a much higher place because most everybody that comes to us many times have tried it. I don't know if I can ever recall getting a person who

showed up to buy a personal training and they're like, hey, I've never tried a diet and I've never tried to work out before. I'd like to hire you and do it right. Most people have tried it on their own and tried it for years on their own and they've yo-yo extreme dieted, cut, tried all these things. And we get ahold of these people in a place where they are not in a good place metabolically, meaning they have already cut and added, cut and added for so long that their body is adapted to this low calorie intake and they're coming and they're like, Hey, Adam, I want to lose weight. And they're already in this like 1500

to 2000 kind of calorie range. Eating less is just way too low. And eating less would, would inevitably get them to lose a few pounds, but then the plateau hits. And now I have nowhere to go as a trainer. I can't go any lower because I'm already in an unhealthy place calorie-wise versus when I first get them and it's just hard to communicate like, you know, hey, Adam, I want to lose 30 pounds. I go, okay, Steve, this is what we're going to do first. I'm going to actually increase your calories or keep you at maintenance and we're going to build muscle right now.

We're not going to lose yet. And they go, well, I'm hiring you to lose weight. Well, we will, but I promise you, if we do it this way, it'll be much more. If I do it really good, over time, I increase their calories and build muscle so that when I cut their calories, it's actually at a point where it's the same or higher than what they were when they came in trying to lose weight. By the way, this sounds like magic,

but we've done it so many times. So many times I've gotten a client at the end of a weight loss journey, if we did it right, where they're eating the same or more than they were when they started, versus what most people experience, which is they lose weight and they're at such low calories after their weight loss journey and doing so much activity

that it's unsustainable. We eat 1200 calories, this is why you go on a weekend and you go out with your friends and you come back and you gain so much weight. Because your metabolic rate was so slow. Just a dessert will kind of tip you over the edge. That's right. And so it's not a flexible place to be.

Look, let me put it differently. If I could snap my fingers and give everybody tip you over the edge. That's right. And so it's not a flexible place to be. Look, let me put it differently. If I could snap my fingers and give everybody a fast metabolism, we would solve the obesity epidemic overnight. If I could just do this and everybody's metabolism gets faster, unfortunately I can't do that, but there are predictable ways of encouraging that to happen. And the best is to build muscle. Building muscle, the process of building muscle, the signaling that it does, the fact that you're stronger, the high protein diet

that fuels that, tends to result in a metabolism that burns more calories on its own. So now it's easier to put yourself in calorie deficit. This would be different if that example of Steve or anybody else coming to us that need to lose weight was at the starting point at 4,000 calories. Well then if Steve was eating 4,000 calories, now you go, okay Steve, we're just gonna eat 3,000 calories now, make some better food choices and train

and you're gonna lose the weight. But that's not where people are. Most everybody is at a place where they don't feel like they're eating a lot. Now granted, they probably have days where they know they don't eat very well, but typically they've gotten to a place where their metabolism has really slowed down.

And what we need to do first is to build the metabolism, ramp it up first, so that when we do cut calories, they're in a more sustainable place. Because Steve's love Twinkies. Next question is from Silly Peep. What are some great ways to help clients start a reverse diet? Great great great follow-up question The best most successful approach I've ever had is explained to them the process of reverse dieting why we're doing it

But then I take their focus off the scale and I place it squarely on performance We're gonna try and get you stronger and everybody likes to get stronger. Anybody, anybody that's ever hired me, whether they want to lose weight, look better, whatever the goal is, everybody likes the feeling of getting stronger. They just do. When you go and you try an exercise and you added 10 pounds to the bar, you could do three more reps of a particular exercise, it's empowering. And so what I try to do is get them to focus on strength. So we're not going to do is get them to focus on strength. So we're not gonna weigh you, we're not gonna look at

any physical metrics that we can measure except for strength. Right now I just want you to get stronger. And if you're getting stronger, then the high odds are we're moving in the right direction with your metabolism. And then I get them focused on that and I track it and I show them, last week you did this, this week you did that.

Wow, you're hitting a new PR on this lift, you're hitting a new PR on that lift. And then the client starts to get really into it like, oh, I want to see how much I could deadlift. Let me see what my squat looks like. And then the reverse diet is much easier because then they see the benefits of increasing their calories, increasing the protein intake as reflected by the strength gains in the gym. That's the best approach because if you keep the focus on the scale, they're gonna be constantly disappointed.

You gotta pin it to the performance. Yes, yes. There's also this strategy, and I've done this before, where I actually don't even tell the client they are reverse dieting. You just say, eat this? I just make them go after the protein. Because I don't think I've ever met somebody

who's trying to lose weight and has a slow metabolism and is eating enough protein. No. They're almost always there. If anything, they're over consuming. You just double your portion of what you're already doing. Yeah. So I literally just put the, I explained to them how crucial protein is to building muscle.

And if, and I always explained to them that, listen, I bet when you lose this fat that you want to get off, cause a lot of times they're very focused on that. Oh, I want, I'm so fat. They say, Oh, I want to lose 50 pounds of body fat. And I say, well, you want, you don't want it to be flabby and loose and you want to get off because a lot of times they're very focused on that. Oh, I'm so fat. They say, oh, I want to lose 50 pounds of body fat. And I say, well, you don't want it to be flabby and loose and you want to be firm and tight and muscular. Oh yeah, of course. Okay. Well, if we do want that, then it's paramount that we get enough proteins because we need the building blocks in order to build the muscle. So I put just all the focus on they need these nutrients in order to be able to reap the

benefits from all the weight training we're going to do. So I don't actually sometimes tell them that it's, because sometimes that'll freak somebody out. If you have somebody who is deathly afraid to eat more because their whole life, if they ever ate a little more, they felt like they got quote unquote fat. So then I'll just tell them, oh man, well, you know, part of why we're having a hard time is you don't get enough protein intake. You are, we're eating too much carbohydrates and saturated fats, not enough of healthy proteins. So all I want you to focus on. So sometimes just the reverse diet looks like me focusing on going after protein and then tracking metrics like strength and how you feel and inches and stuff like that.

Next question is from Eden doesn't sleep. Thoughts on MK six, seven, seven, this is a peptide, a new rapper. Also, also known as I butymorin. So I didn't know that was I butymorin. Yeah. It's a butymorin. Um, and, and this is, uh, it's not a SARM, it's not a selective androgen receptor modulars modulator. So. It's not a selective androgen receptor modulator,

so it doesn't attach to the androgen receptor, so it's not a replacement for steroids or testosterone. I've seen people say that about it. Oh, it's a SARM, it's not a SARM. It's a peptide, it's a ghrelin mimic. So the body responds to MK677 or ibutamorin, as if your ghrelin was much higher. Now, what happens when ghrelin goes up,

growth hormone goes up. So ibutamorin and MK6.77 are growth hormone producing peptides. I've used this, I've used this many, many times. And a couple points on it. Number one, the IGF-1 results from this. So whenever your growth hormone goes up, what you're really measuring, the IGF-1 results from this. So whenever your growth hormone goes up, what you're really measuring is your IGF-1. And you want the IGF-1 to go in more

of a youthful level. So when people do growth hormone, human growth hormone treatment, like longevity clinics will do this, what they're doing is they're saying, okay, your IGF-1 is at this number, we want to bring it up here, where it would be in your 20s. And when you bring up IGF-1, you notice these kind of youth effects, these cosmetic effects, skin, hair, you get some fat loss, you get a little bit of muscle gain. So people tend to want to go after this, right? But human growth hormone is expensive,

it's harder to get, it's more controlled. Ibutamorin, easier to get, and it raises IGF-1. I saw a study where they were comparing it to actual growth hormone, and in the study it's like equivalent to taking like two IUs of human growth hormone, which is what a longevity clinic would recommend. If you went to a longevity clinic, they would put you on one or two IUs of growth hormone. So it really raises IGF-1. Here's the other side of it though.

You said it, Adam, it's good for bulking because it makes you hungry. I was so hungry. The two biggest things I noticed from it when I took it, and I love this about it, because I was always somebody who struggled with getting enough calories to bulk, was the increased appetite and the sleep.

I slept like a baby on that. The sleep, I noticed a big difference on the sleep and I noticed a big difference on the appetite. That was the big things. But see, so a lot of times people want to raise growth hormone because they want to get leaner. This probably isn't the right one because the appetite increased. This is a bulking peptide. Like I gained a predictable seven to eight pounds. There's another one Sal that doesn't do that. Tessa Maryland. Okay, Tessa Maryland. Yeah, Tessa Maryland. There's a couple others.

Wouldn't that be a generic way to say that, right? If you were looking to use it to lean out, Tessa Maryland would probably be a better strategy. Yes, Ibutamorin bulking. Well, Ibutamorin for a bulking. Yes, and the pumps on Ibutamorin are just ridiculous. If you want to bulk, this would be the one to use. I want to be very clear, though.

It doesn't compare to proper exercise, diet, and sleep. So for the people looking for shortcuts, if there's a 15 year old or 25 year old version of me listening to this, you're probably gonna ignore what I'm about to say, but it pales in comparison to proper diet, sleep, and exercise. Yeah, and or TRT. Like a lot of people.

Yeah, if your testosterone's low. A lot of people hear growth hormone stuff and they think like, oh, this is gonna be like testosterone. Nope. Yeah, no. No, no, no. Next question is from the FitLife Lawyer. You all talk about leading by example

is the best way to teach your kids about healthy eating. How do you go about this when co-parenting in separate households if the other parent doesn't prioritize healthy eating? This is only for salary. Just so we have a divorce our wives get. Yeah, you guys are still good? Yeah.

Hold on. Oh, please, God. This is hard, man. When I looked at the data on co-parenting, some of it's pretty dismal. It's like, if you're a really good parent in one way and the other parent's a really bad parent, it's like 50% of life is still with that other parent.

So the best you could hope for is you live a particular way in your life and then the child has this contrast in this choice. And at some point they get older and then they see the value in how they lived when they came to your house versus when they went to your house versus when they went to the other person's house. Otherwise, you know, co-parenting can be really hard

when the other parent just disagrees. And what you don't want, it's more detrimental to have a shitty relationship with the other parent than it is for them to not listen to what you agree with. It's actually better off you get along and then they do think you disagree with. A lot of people treat it the other way. They're no, no, we're gonna do everything exactly the same

and they fight and fight and fight over this thinking we have to do everything the same. And then what's most detrimental to the kids is that their parents who they both love and identify with hate each other, absolutely hate each other. Listen, if you believe that your way of parenting is better, then one of the best ways to prove that is to prove it by living it and doing it and not worrying about

what the other parent is doing. I mean, it's the long game and you may think that like, but that kid in 10, 15, 20 something years later, will look at the parent that made healthy food choices or did whatever behaviors that you were trying to implement that the other parent is not. And kids are smart. And at that point, they're young adults. And they'll be able to look at like, wow, my dad was really strict about the way we ate and exercise and did all these things like that. And I never understood it when I was seven.

I felt better. Yeah, but now that it's fast forward 20 years later and I see my dad's health and my mom's. Talk to adults who grew up this way. They'll tell you, oh yeah, looking back, you know, yeah, my mom, she did a lot of things right and it was my dad or vice versa. What you don't want to do though is create an environment where it's so authoritarian that they don't even consider the health, the healthiness of the eating.

It's just, gosh, man, when I was at my so-and-so's house, like I felt like everything was being watched and it was so stressful. It has to be the way you live. This is just how we live. And then when the kid asks you, hey, how come we don't have snacks? We don't have it at our house.

Yeah, why don't we have chips all the time in the cupboard like mom's house or dad's house? We just don't eat that way here. When you go to mom's house, you house or dad's house. We just don't eat that way here. When you go to mom's house you can eat that way, but we just don't eat that way here. And you just make it no big deal. Oh, that sucks, I really wanna have it. I know, I know, it's just different here.

And you empathize with them. I know it's hard going from one house to another, different standards, different rules. I can't even imagine, it's super challenging, I totally get it. It's just this is just the way that we live here. And then you kind of balance it and weigh it out every once in a while you include those things So do you so do you think the parents are more challenged because their kid is?

Not that they're worried about the influence that the other parents do or do you think it's more because they feel like they don't Get to be the one that the kid loves to be with the more. Do you know that's both? I mean both you know how hard it was for me, you know, because we have dual custody still and the first three to four years at least, if not longer, the biggest challenge for me was when they come here, I only see them half the time, I don't want to be the downer. Yeah you don't be the disciplinary. Yeah like I just want them to enjoy life. These poor kids are already going through this

and have to move from house to house every other week and whatever. That's very hard. That's a hard thing to deal with when you love your kids. But they're gonna be adults longer than they'll be kids. I mean, that's a fact. So you're gonna know them for way longer as adults. So you don't need to be their friend.

You have to be their parent. And that's me talking on a podcast. Living is much more challenging. as adults, so you don't need to be their friend, you have to be their parent. And that's me talking on a podcast, living it's much more challenging. But yeah, it's gotta be a relaxed environment in that sense, just the way we live, it's just how we are. It is very simple, or similar to how we give advice

about trying to get a family member to buy in to help. The best way is to live the example, right? Is to do it consistently yourself and prove your model in a sense. Prove by living it and doing it, not by saying it, not by forcing it, not by telling somebody else about it, preaching to them, but by truly living it and being that example. And let me tell you, that is hard enough as it is. So instead of like diverting your energy towards fighting with the other person, or like just bury that energy into being better

at what your belief system and your values are, and let that be the example. I mean, I dived into a lot of this, obviously as I went through it, but you know, and this is tough, by the way. What I'm about to say is really hard for people to hear, but most time, not always, most times though, it's better for the kid to have the parents in their life,

even if the parents don't do a good job. Like if you look at the data on fathers, for example, there's a lot of shitty dads out there, and the moms are just like, it's better for them to be out of my kid's life usually not usually it's better for the dad even if he's not great and he's got a lot of bad traits and habits still better off for the kid to have him in the life than to not have them at all so this is the attitude abuse and things like yeah there's those extreme cases like what your child

safety know that's like yeah and so that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of parents because like that I don't want them to go to that house so that parent you know doesn't show up for things and does this and that. Back to my point like you got we think sometimes that kids are a lot smarter and more observant than you think they are and a lot of times that's all the kid needs is to see this example of a very bad example on one side and a very good example on the other. And that normally determines the direction they want. We'll see what's working.

That's right. Attitude, behavior, everything that transpires as a result of how you incorporate that eating schedule. And to me, that's how, I mean, I don't ever want to think of me and Katrina having to do this separately. But if there was different things, beliefs on how we want to raise our kid,

my way of winning that argument or debate would not be actually arguing with areas. It's almost like a marketplace. Yes, is living it so well that it's obvious to my son that the way dad does things is much smarter. When I grow up, I want to be more like that. Working here, not so much here. Yeah. Totally.

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